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money and it's the most important opportunity possible right if nostril fails tomorrow what

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did we lose nada we lost some content content is worthless in the digital age maybe we lost some

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reputations and stuff like that amongst some people but honestly it's so small that it doesn't

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fucking matter and also the reputations are generally tied to real people i've been banned

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on twitter 10 times i come back i get a new account i get all my followers back right so it doesn't

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matter so it's not like the cost of the cost of losing one is completely different to the cost of

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losing the other yes there's some relationship between the two but the level of importance man

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is like fucking galaxies apart like bitcoin is a billion times more important than nostril if

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nostril fails tomorrow another implementation will be developed and another one will take off but if

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Hello guys, welcome once again to a new season actually of BitCorn podcast.

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Today we start season 5.

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So before starting the podcast, I just want to say thanks to you.

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Thank you for being part of this amazing project.

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and thank you for these two wonderful years.

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We have been recording about two seasons per year.

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Today we're going to start the 50th.

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And you're hearing this probably is the beginning of January of 2026,

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probably the end of the year in December.

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What can you expect in this new season?

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Basically the same.

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As you know, Bitcoin our podcast is a bit different

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from the rest of the Bitcoin podcast out there in the world.

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And why? Because we play the long time preference game.

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So that means that from time to time, we cover the things that are happening around the world in the current time.

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But we actually, because again, we're focusing on the long time preference.

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That's why our podcast is educational content exclusively, or better said, primarily,

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cover some things that are related to economy,

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politics that probably are huge in that moment

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that, yeah, in fact, we need to cover.

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So, but why do we do that?

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Because it doesn't matter if you start the podcast,

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for example, to listen to season three,

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two four or one today doesn't matter because we're playing the long time preference so

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if you can watch an episode of the previous seasons the value will be and remain the same

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so that's something that we want to provide to El Salvador so it doesn't matter if you are

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Salvadorian but also any person from any part of the world if you can have any benefit to listen

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this podcast and learning about Bitcoin, no matter where you listen, you will learn about

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And the value will remain the same because it's not something that is happening right

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It's related to the core values of Bitcoin.

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So that's why we are a little bit different from the rest of the podcast.

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And I'm not saying that those are bad.

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On the contrary, they are the perfect creators on those topics.

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and that's why we're leaving to them because I think they do a better job than myself on those

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topics. So what do you expect again in this season? Well, we will continue doing these kind of topics

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in Bitcoin, but also we're going to talk a little bit more about Noster and we're going to start

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the season with that. Today we're going to talk about Noster, more specifically about Satlantis.

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So Satlantis, if you know Jordi or if you know Alex, who is the one that's going to be

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our guests today, they have been working in this project that is South Atlantis, which not just

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involved Bitcoin, but also Noster, but also AI. So I think it's quite interesting. And for my

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surprise, when we do this recording, I was thinking that we were going to talk a little

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bit more about Noster, but in fact, we ended up talking a little bit more of Bitcoin. So

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it was quite interesting. I love it. I learned a lot from Alex. I learned a lot from Alex,

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I must say that this episode was recorded a few weeks ago

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that today that I'm recording

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and then I went to holidays

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and then I started planning the road of the season five.

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it will be the actual season recording season five.

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thank you to Alex for doing the recording

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I hope that you get excited with this episode

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but also the next one

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and again, as you know, the podcast is bilingual

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so that way we close the gap

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but why don't you use AI Dove?

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season five will have a lot of surprises in the road i just want to say once again thanks to you

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the listener but also i would just want to say thank you to my partners from blackstream to be

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here since the beginning but also people bloom gary lennon is an amazing friend also adopting

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bitcoin guys uh you have made an amazing job this year like every single year but i also want to

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shout out to the rest of the meetups and conferences that went that happened in el

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salvador in november november is basically the month of el salvador bitcoin country i was following

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bitcoin story go was amazing also i want to shout out to economia btc from berlin but also i want to

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shout out to the conferences and all the of course the bitcoin farmer market and all the amazing

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Bitcoin communities that are evolving little by little in El Salvador and that we can show more

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how El Salvador is transforming by the daily life, but also in these meetings or in these conferences.

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conference, which is another partner, and also the amazing guys that we have done, the side projects

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So let's leave it here.

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enjoy the beginning of season five of Bit Corner Podcast.

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I'll leave you with myself and Alex.

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Welcome to the podcast.

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Gracias, Juan.

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Thank you for having me.

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I appreciate the invitation and looking forward to our conversation.

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Well, you're working in heavy stuff.

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South Atlantis is one that actually I learned about that because of Jordi.

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I know that he watched the podcast as well.

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And so we're going to discuss about that.

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I mean, for those probably that are new to it, actually, Nostra is quite new in a way.

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privacy, and sovereignty?

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I don't know how much Nostra really helps with those, and that might be a contrarian opinion.

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But beyond that, the way I would define Nostra really simply is identity protocol for the web.

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And while that is somewhat true, you know, because it's quite versatile and the nature of being able to create metadata like follower lists and natively on the protocol means that it's primarily being used as a social content protocol these days.

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But I think where the utility is, is that it's almost like an identity as a service or a social graph as a service that you could build applications on and give them some sort of social context that they may not have been able to have before.

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So in our case, you know, we've sort of evolved Atlantis into more of an events app now.

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with Bitcoin and Nostra, we have another two layers.

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That's the way I kind of look at Nostra is it's a new layer for the internet that enables us.

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Identity layer for the web.

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A protocol is just kind of like a messaging medium.

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They're like, oh, okay, well, it's not that fucking great, you know, but I don't think

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I think, you know, Primal is competing with Twitter and that's a different story, but not Nostra, right?

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And then people, you know, use it not because of the product, but because of Nostra and like things get a little bit messy there.

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I think we need to start separating the two and focusing on building good products that use Nostra in the stack.

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I spoke about this when we met actually in Barcelona.

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So I spoke about this on stage there.

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So I basically said, look, Nostra, let's even take Nostra out of the equation here.

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protocols in general move move at a slower pace than businesses right a business has to find you

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know particularly if you're a tech product you have to find product market fit you have to get

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customers and you have to survive you know you have to do something useful and you need to do

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that in a relatively short period of time one year two years you know three years maximum sort of in

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that range a protocol on the other hand five ten twenty thirty fifty years right like you know

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HTTPS has been around for what now?

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Like almost 40 years now, right?

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Like the internet is still like growing.

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Bitcoin, what is it now?

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17 years old?

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16 years?

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It takes time, right?

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You know, like it's still young.

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It's still a baby.

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which means that if we try and build products that are all like fully Nostra compatible,

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but have really shit user interface or really clunky or really slow or really bad user experience,

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but they're on Nostra, we've achieved nothing because we've just pissed off the customers.

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They're not going to come back. Maybe a few hardcore people will stick around,

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but most people will go away, we'll leave. So then the business disappears. And then the protocol

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suffers because now the businesses aren't building on there, right? So as Nostra as possible

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elements of Nostra that make the most sense to enhance the product for the customer. And if

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there's something that could be built on Nostra, but it takes away from the experience or makes

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the experience for the customer worse, don't fucking do it on Nostra. Don't make it an event

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kind. Don't like, don't try and do it because Nostra, like that's cultish thinking. What you do

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is because it makes sense for the customer and the business, get the business right first. And then

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once you've fleshed out the product, once you've fleshed out the feature, once you, once you've

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proven that it can deliver some value to the customer, to the end user, then later you can

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and then you know turn it into a nostril feature and that's something like you know people have

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asked me many times they're like oh you know well is this part of your app built on nostril is this

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part of your app nostril compatible i'm like well no because we don't even know whether this is

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useful to users like we we're building it we need to validate that first we need to know

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that the energy and the resources that we have,

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which are very limited, we're a startup.

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We have limited limited limited resources We need to know that this thing is actually going to move the needle and then fuck yeah we come and nostrify it So that my philosophy there I know some people don agree

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with that, but I think as a business owner, my priority is making sure the business works and

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make sure the customers are happy. My priority is not making sure Nostra survives. Nostra is bigger

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than me. I need to focus on

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what I can control, not

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the thing that I can't control.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I was asking you before

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about the difference between a protocol

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and a platform because

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one thing that we have discussed

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a lot in Bitcoin lately

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and probably by the time you're watching this

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I think there's a discussion of that

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is the

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Bitcoin core and nuts

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but there's also the protocol wars

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that probably is not in the media as much as these things right now in Bitcoin.

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Actually, I read a little bit of that in one of the articles in Substack that be on the feed.

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So I want to talk a little bit about also how does Nostar compare to other protocols or platforms.

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Like, you know, Mastodon uses, for example, ActivityPath.

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BlueSky uses the AT protocol.

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So ATProt, I don't know, what is the name?

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Or BlueSky.

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But also, how does Nostra compare to them?

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And why do you think those misses the point of what Nostra tried to do?

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I mean, whether they miss the point or not, I guess, is beyond my technical expertise, honestly.

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We selfishly as an entrepreneur and us selfishly as a business and as a team,

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if I'm being purely honest, we looked at Nostra and we found it simpler than the other stuff,

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more open, so more permissionless.

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we didn't have to fuck around with trying to build on it.

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We liked the fact that Nostra was stateless.

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I mean, it has some pros and cons, obviously,

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but I think it's more pros than cons.

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And sort of the tightness with Bitcoin was very important for us.

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Like we didn't implement Bitcoin functionality into the app early on

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because we wanted to, once again,

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we wanted to find value outside of the Bitcoin echo chamber,

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which quite honestly, from a content perspective, we didn't succeed.

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but that being said bitcoin was always a very important piece to us we were always going to come

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and build a wallet into atlantis and build zaps and all of that sort of thing so they were sort

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of the reasons why we went with um with nostr one thing i will say though is i was writing a very

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short article recently on the the difference between bitcoin and nostr and this this is

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related to your point about the different protocols for identity i would argue that bitcoin the

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implementation is more important than bitcoin the idea and what i mean by that is like bitcoin the

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idea has been replicated 50 000 times with every shit coin in the world right so every shit coin

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is like copying the idea so it's not the idea that matters you know and it's like you know you can

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fork Bitcoin as many times as you want if you have a better version of the idea, but they don't

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fucking matter. What matters is the implementation and the chain that goes all the way back to the

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Genesis block. What matters is the node software that everyone's running and the fact that they're

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all in sync. That's what matters. But with Nostr, I think it's the opposite way around.

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I think the idea is more important than the implementation. And what I mean by that is

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The idea of Nostra is an identity layer for the web where the identity is a bearer instrument or a public-private key pair that the user controls and can generate randomly.

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That idea is more important.

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Whether Nostra succeeds or not doesn't really matter in my opinion.

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Or maybe I'll explain it this way.

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If Bitcoin fails tomorrow, the world is fucked.

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like that's a catastrophic disaster like if bitcoin fails creating a new bitcoin from scratch

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fucking impossible it's not going to happen like that that happened once it's a zero to one moment

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right if if bitcoin fails it is a catastrophic disaster for humankind because we have one shot

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at sound money and it's the most important opportunity possible right if nostril fails

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tomorrow what did we lose some content nada right we lost some content content is worthless in the

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digital age yeah maybe we lost some reputations and stuff like that amongst some people but

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honestly it's so small that it doesn't fucking matter and also the reputations are generally

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tied to real people so you know i've been banned on twitter 10 times i come back i get a new account

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i get all my followers back right so it doesn't matter so it's not like the cost of the cost of

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losing one is completely different to the cost of losing the other and this is something i've

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noticed in the nostril spaces people like orange pill purple pill orange pill purple pill it's like

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oh yeah nostril and bitcoin are the same yes there's some relationship between the two but the

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level of importance man is like fucking galaxies apart like bitcoin is a billion times more

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important than nostril like nostril can come and go doesn't matter if nostril fails tomorrow another

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implementation will be developed and another one will take off you know that that's perfectly

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fucking fine and we as a business will pick the next uh great implementation of a digital layer

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for identity for the web that's that's what we'll do but if bitcoin fails

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jesus christ with all the problems yeah well now that you're talking about well finished earlier

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so so what i'll finish on is you know there is other protocols that are um that are kind of

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trying to deliver on a similar promise to Nostra.

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I personally think that Nostra is the best implementation so far.

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I think that it has the highest probability of winning,

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but I'm also pragmatic and objective enough to admit

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that it may not be the implementation that ultimately transforms the web

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and acts as the digital layer for the new web.

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But I hope it is because we've spent a shitload of energy building on there

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And I hope it's the one that wins.

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So, yeah.

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No, I was just going to say that now that you mentioned this,

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is that also I was just thinking that, for example,

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in the other protocols, the thing is that in the end,

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there's things like they have,

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I think some of them have their own federations

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that still is something that there are companies

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that follow their own protocols.

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And they try to be decentralized.

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But as we use the word also in Bitcoin,

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that compared to shitcoins that there are,

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which means the central lines in name only, right?

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In name only, yeah.

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So, but the beauty of Nostra

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is that you can actually pick your own algorithm

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or protocol or whatever,

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so you can check your own fit and time and whatever,

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because it's pretty decentralized, right?

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But yeah, besides that, I think another,

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probably the most important thing

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that we can lose in Nostra, in my opinion,

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is the free speech somehow,

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because in the other platform you can be banned.

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But here in Nostra, I think not.

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So whatever you say, you can say it and you won't be banned.

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Either a content or an idea or anything.

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But I don't know.

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Maybe.

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That's not entirely true because the content itself,

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it's not hard to get the relays to delete your content if they want to.

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I mean, I guess you could just run your own relay

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if you really have content that's going to be censored.

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But I don't know.

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I'm not convinced that that's a big enough factor.

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these days i just think enough people like at least maybe it's valid for a small small small

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small small percentage of people um but i don't think it's valid for for a real market like that

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is meaningful and maybe that's a contrarian view i i'm just no longer bullish on the censorship

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resistance side of things i think censorship resistance is very important for money i don't

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think it's important for social content all right well you mentioned also uh you talk a little bit

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about Bitcoin and Nostra, but there's also another element nowadays that is AI.

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So how do you think the three of them converge?

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And well, what's actually happening there?

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Yeah, so I think where they converge or where the similarities lie is that they are just

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tools, right?

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And I think everyone has a tendency to overhype each of these tools, right?

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You know, people are like, oh, Bitcoin, Bitcoin is everything.

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And look, economically speaking and socially speaking, Bitcoin is very fucking important.

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I think of all of these things, Bitcoin is the most important.

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It's a billion times more important than not sure.

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And it's a hell of a lot more important than the AI shit.

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That being said, Bitcoin is still fundamentally a tool.

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If you, at least for me in the context of an entrepreneur, I'm looking at Bitcoin now more pragmatically in the sense that, hey, I'm running an events app.

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and I want to enable hosts because hosts are my main user.

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I want to enable hosts to quickly and easily and cheaply monetize their events.

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So they should be able to create an event.

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They should be able to spin up a wallet

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and they should be able to get paid for tickets in 60 seconds.

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Well, what faster way to do that than with Bitcoin?

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You don't have to do fucking KYC, Fiat, fucking Rails

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and all the bullshit that goes into creating an event

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with something like Eventbrite or Luma or any of that.

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Here you go.

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Boom.

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Create an event.

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Ow.

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It's so easy.

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It's so beautiful.

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It's so seamless.

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It's 10 times better than the thing.

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So Bitcoin tool number one.

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Tool number two, Nostra.

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We want to have a social layer in the event

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because what happens when you go to an event?

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You want to meet some people.

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Well, then you want to connect with those people.

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So instead of going to the event,

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then at the event,

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getting everyone to download Telegram or WhatsApp

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and then get everyone in WhatsApp or Telegram

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to share their end pubs

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so they can follow each other on Nostra.

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It's like fucking 10 different apps to try and have one experience.

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And it's like, okay, you're at the event.

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Which cafe do we go to?

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What place do you – where's the Bitcoin accepting?

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That's another app and Google Maps.

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Fuck that.

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Here with Atlantis, you've got the social graph in there.

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You can see the attendees.

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You can click follow all or you can follow who you want to follow.

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And boom, you've got communication.

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You've got the event and you've got the chat right in one place.

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Boom, second tick, done.

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So Nostra is a tool to make our events app better.

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Now, number three, the AI piece.

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For me, AI is not some fucking god in the circuits that is going to come alive and become sentient and rule the world and run everything.

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No, that's like the nerds are out of their minds.

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To me, AI is a tool and it's an automation tool.

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It is a productivity enhancer.

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So one way we're using AI, for example, is for building automated tests from a software

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development side of things.

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So in order to produce good software, you need to run as many technical automated tests

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as possible to make sure all of your code is squeaky clean, working, doesn't create regressions

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and doesn't fuck things up.

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Well, instead of spending our developer time on that stuff, we run BugBot and it does it

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for us.

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Boom.

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You've just saved probably an entire person's salary per month using an AI tool and you've sped things up.

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That to me is a tick.

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What's another way we're using AI?

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Well, to populate the events on our discovery experience in the app, we go out and we have a bot that goes and pulls the events from Luma, from Meetup, from Eventbrite, from all these other places, tags them with interests.

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So like this is a Bitcoin event.

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This is a longevity event.

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This is a running club.

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This is whatever, blah, blah, blah.

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And then it puts the events onto our app, which the host can then claim if they want to control the event on our app.

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But people can discover.

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So it's like on the other flip side, because a marketplace has two sides, right?

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It has hosts and it has attendees.

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Potential attendees can discover these events.

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And if that person is a Bitcoiner, they can see all the cool Bitcoin events going on around the world on the app.

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and even if the event is not hosted on our app,

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people can click through,

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it'll open up the other app,

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it'll open up Meetup or Luma or something like that

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and then they can register themselves over there.

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So we're using it as an enhancer to the app.

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But that's where like,

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I spoke with Marty Bent yesterday

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and we talked about this specifically.

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There has not been,

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for the last 10 years really or 10, 15 years,

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consumer apps have been pretty dead, right?

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Like everything has been like Slack and Jira and Atlassian

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and everything's been sort of like B2B apps over the last decade.

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The last great consumer apps were like Uber, right, and Airbnb.

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That was sort of the last era of really great consumer applications.

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Yeah, probably.

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And yeah, what happened was since then,

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the consumer applications got so big that they took so much market share,

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like that they sort of closed it off.

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I think we are at the precipice,

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we're at the dawn of a new age for consumer applications

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00:29:03,127 --> 00:29:09,947
where small teams and startups like us have this new Bitcoin AI,

463
00:29:10,467 --> 00:29:14,667
we can do things that previously would have required a team

464
00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:16,066
of maybe 100 people to do.

465
00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:18,747
Ten years ago to build what we want to build today,

466
00:29:19,066 --> 00:29:21,507
to build a global events app with instant payments,

467
00:29:21,507 --> 00:29:25,167
with a social layer, would have probably taken a team of 50 people

468
00:29:25,167 --> 00:29:26,687
and $20 million, right?

469
00:29:27,046 --> 00:29:30,967
Now we can do it at a fraction of the cost at much faster speed

470
00:29:30,967 --> 00:29:32,407
because we have better tools.

471
00:29:32,407 --> 00:29:33,947
And that's the way I see all of this.

472
00:29:34,086 --> 00:29:36,167
It's like AI is not going to take over the world.

473
00:29:36,286 --> 00:29:37,286
It's not going to change everything.

474
00:29:37,467 --> 00:29:40,667
It is just another improvement in software.

475
00:29:41,207 --> 00:29:43,367
And it's a significant improvement because we can do better marketing.

476
00:29:43,527 --> 00:29:44,247
We can do better code.

477
00:29:44,326 --> 00:29:46,867
We can move faster and we can create a better user experience.

478
00:29:47,647 --> 00:29:51,066
Bitcoin gives us superior payments, makes our application global from day one.

479
00:29:51,546 --> 00:29:52,967
And Nostra gives us a social layer.

480
00:29:53,447 --> 00:29:53,647
Bam.

481
00:29:53,767 --> 00:30:00,106
We have a fucking great events app that is better than Eventbrite, Meetup.com or anything else out there.

482
00:30:02,407 --> 00:30:11,007
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483
00:30:11,007 --> 00:30:16,066
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485
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486
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487
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490
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492
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Yeah, I want to pause a little bit on that and probably double click on the South Atlantis.

506
00:32:20,653 --> 00:32:22,513
I want to talk a little bit more on that.

507
00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:27,833
Because you're talking a lot about these things, but what inspired you to do all things?

508
00:32:27,833 --> 00:32:38,613
You know, I always ask in this podcast, like if you have an origin moment for Bitcoin, but was there a single origin story for you or moment where it clicked all for you to develop this thing?

509
00:32:39,593 --> 00:32:41,913
So two origin parts for Atlantis.

510
00:32:42,033 --> 00:32:44,993
The first origin story was actually in Salvador in 2023.

511
00:32:45,613 --> 00:32:46,093
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

512
00:32:46,753 --> 00:32:47,333
Okay.

513
00:32:47,753 --> 00:32:50,053
It was end of 2023.

514
00:32:50,053 --> 00:32:54,073
I was walking around in El Salvador with my wife and we were looking for some coffee.

515
00:32:55,233 --> 00:32:56,773
And I was looking on Google Maps.

516
00:32:57,833 --> 00:33:03,053
and we found one place that was like 4.8 stars and the coffee sucked the next day we had another

517
00:33:03,053 --> 00:33:08,653
place and it was like 4.9 um stars and the coffee sucked i was like fuck this shit and then there

518
00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:13,013
was someone i can't remember who it was but they were local they were salvadoranian and they said um

519
00:33:13,013 --> 00:33:18,353
go to this place and i looked it up on google i was like you sure it's good it's 4.4 stars they're

520
00:33:18,353 --> 00:33:22,093
like no no trust me it's good just go there so we went there and the coffee was fucking fantastic

521
00:33:22,873 --> 00:33:29,373
And what hit me was that like all of the shit that we see on Google Maps and TripAdvisor

522
00:33:29,373 --> 00:33:31,413
and all the reviews and everything, it's all bullshit.

523
00:33:33,293 --> 00:33:39,973
The real signal comes from your social network, comes from people you trust, people you know.

524
00:33:40,833 --> 00:33:44,053
So then that's what hit me with the original incarnation of Atlantis.

525
00:33:44,053 --> 00:33:49,213
And this maybe it was the aha moment, but it also probably made me build Atlantis too

526
00:33:49,213 --> 00:33:49,633
broadly.

527
00:33:49,633 --> 00:34:08,453
But the original idea for Atlantis was, hey, could we create a travel and discovery application with social graph information where anywhere you are in the world, you know, the places you find, the events you go to, the people you connect with and everything is influenced by your social graph.

528
00:34:08,533 --> 00:34:12,013
So when you see a review or a rating from someone, it's from someone you know.

529
00:34:12,373 --> 00:34:14,773
Then you know it's a real one, not some fake bullshit.

530
00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:15,913
That was the original idea.

531
00:34:15,913 --> 00:34:26,493
Now, that turned out, like, we still want to get there, but we have to pick very carefully what we do first and in what order, in what sequence, right?

532
00:34:26,833 --> 00:34:39,573
So what we discovered, and this is the second aha moment, when we were in Prague a couple months ago for the BTC Prague conference, one of the things we had in the app was we had all of the satellite events were on Atlantis.

533
00:34:39,573 --> 00:34:47,853
and what we found was people naturally used the events part of the app not because we marketed to

534
00:34:47,853 --> 00:34:52,073
them not because we convinced them to use but because it was a tool and it solved the problem

535
00:34:52,073 --> 00:34:57,973
which is hey i can find all the satellite events here on this one app so they used it and they

536
00:34:57,973 --> 00:35:04,313
rsvp to the events and it was simple so what we realized was okay we think we can make the biggest

537
00:35:04,313 --> 00:35:10,633
impact by building the best possible events app and add bitcoin payments add a social layer

538
00:35:10,633 --> 00:35:17,433
and give it to event hosts like there is there is thousands of bitcoin meetups and bitcoin

539
00:35:17,433 --> 00:35:23,273
communities around the world who are all using meetup.com which fucking sucks they're using

540
00:35:23,273 --> 00:35:28,373
event price they're using luma they're using nomeo they're using whatsapp and telegram and all this

541
00:35:28,373 --> 00:35:33,993
shit we want to give them a superior experience where they can even earn sats if they want to

542
00:35:33,993 --> 00:35:38,153
charge for tickets and put it all on nostril and i think it's like the most compelling compelling

543
00:35:38,153 --> 00:35:42,733
pitch it's super simple it's super narrow it's like it's perfect for the bitcoin community and

544
00:35:42,733 --> 00:35:47,533
that's that's who we want to target so that was the second aha moment like in prague was hey let's

545
00:35:47,533 --> 00:35:51,893
not build everything to start off with like let's focus on this first and then we can add shit later

546
00:35:51,893 --> 00:35:59,293
absolutely and uh when if people want to try using it again uh because i have it on

547
00:35:59,293 --> 00:36:05,073
well actually no it's not in beta anymore i think it's it's out in ios right i have ios you can yeah

548
00:36:05,073 --> 00:36:09,733
you can download an ios exactly we still the test flight is still further ahead than the ios app but

549
00:36:09,733 --> 00:36:14,813
yes it's on ios and you can download it oh okay okay because yeah i have it on test flight but

550
00:36:14,813 --> 00:36:19,833
now i have it on ios but my question is that how can people get started they want to use it

551
00:36:19,833 --> 00:36:26,973
yeah so the depends how they want to use it if if you're an event host the best way to do it is just

552
00:36:26,973 --> 00:36:31,653
jump on the website. You can't create an event from the app just yet. The event is created from

553
00:36:31,653 --> 00:36:38,413
the desktop experience. So if you're already on Nostro, you can log in with your extension. So

554
00:36:38,413 --> 00:36:44,733
like Albi or Nostrox or Amber or whatever else is out there that is an extension. You log in,

555
00:36:44,913 --> 00:36:48,333
click the plus button, click create an event. That's it. And it's very simple. It's just like

556
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:51,113
you would create an event for Meetup or Luma or anything like that. You create the event,

557
00:36:51,593 --> 00:36:56,753
you can add co-hosts, you select the venue, put your banner image, select your interests,

558
00:36:56,973 --> 00:36:59,253
Bitcoin, longevity, whatever you want to put in there, put it in there.

559
00:36:59,413 --> 00:37:01,073
And then, yeah, create the event.

560
00:37:01,193 --> 00:37:05,273
You can then share it to your Nostra feed, which then broadcast it to all of Nostra.

561
00:37:05,873 --> 00:37:08,593
So people can see it all over the place, Primal, Damus, Amethyst, whatever.

562
00:37:09,653 --> 00:37:13,573
And then you have a whole admin dashboard for people as they register.

563
00:37:13,873 --> 00:37:14,793
You can see who they are.

564
00:37:15,173 --> 00:37:18,233
When they register to your event, they auto follow your Nostra.

565
00:37:19,313 --> 00:37:24,493
So if you're an event host and you want to build your Nostra profile, this is the fucking

566
00:37:24,493 --> 00:37:25,253
best way to do it.

567
00:37:25,253 --> 00:37:29,973
Every single time you run an event, you actually build your follower list because people automatically follow you.

568
00:37:30,013 --> 00:37:31,413
So that's how you build your community on there.

569
00:37:31,473 --> 00:37:32,653
So that's for hosts.

570
00:37:33,073 --> 00:37:38,053
If you're an attendee, then I would argue the best thing to do is download the app.

571
00:37:38,333 --> 00:37:41,573
Download the app, create a profile, select your interests.

572
00:37:41,733 --> 00:37:43,293
We have a whole lot of interest in there.

573
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:46,693
So when you're selecting your interests, what you're doing is you're basically building like your own algorithm.

574
00:37:47,033 --> 00:37:50,273
And then that will help you discover a couple of things.

575
00:37:50,273 --> 00:37:55,373
It'll help you discover content that is right for you, places that are right for you, and events that are right for you.

576
00:37:55,833 --> 00:38:05,653
Now, the current app still supports content, places, and events, but slowly by slowly, as I said, will diminish the importance of content and will elevate the importance of events.

577
00:38:05,713 --> 00:38:13,213
So you have a really nice discovery experience that looks like Spotify for discovering events and for discovering places around events.

578
00:38:13,313 --> 00:38:14,053
That's kind of the look.

579
00:38:15,133 --> 00:38:16,033
Okay, perfect.

580
00:38:16,033 --> 00:38:18,473
we're at now

581
00:38:18,473 --> 00:38:20,633
we're right now in the middle of the podcast

582
00:38:20,633 --> 00:38:22,713
we're going to continue talking about

583
00:38:22,713 --> 00:38:24,793
Asset Atlantis because there's a lot of

584
00:38:24,793 --> 00:38:26,813
like the experience economy and location

585
00:38:26,813 --> 00:38:29,253
and some more stuff related to that

586
00:38:29,253 --> 00:38:31,193
but I told you I have a game in the podcast

587
00:38:31,193 --> 00:38:35,593
so my private guests have a question for my next guest

588
00:38:35,593 --> 00:38:37,593
and you when we finish recording

589
00:38:37,593 --> 00:38:40,053
you will have the opportunity to make a question for the next guest

590
00:38:40,053 --> 00:38:43,673
so oh my god I have enough deja vu

591
00:38:43,673 --> 00:38:45,293
because this is exactly what happened

592
00:38:45,293 --> 00:38:47,093
the last season and just by coincidence.

593
00:38:47,373 --> 00:38:49,573
So last season, I finished

594
00:38:49,573 --> 00:38:50,993
the podcast with

595
00:38:50,993 --> 00:38:53,213
Kiki. Probably you met her.

596
00:38:53,933 --> 00:38:54,133
Yeah.

597
00:38:55,193 --> 00:38:56,853
And the season 3,

598
00:38:57,453 --> 00:38:59,433
in beginning season 4, I also

599
00:38:59,433 --> 00:39:00,253
finished with Kiki.

600
00:39:01,593 --> 00:39:02,193
Ha!

601
00:39:03,033 --> 00:39:05,213
So it was funny because I started

602
00:39:05,213 --> 00:39:06,733
the season and

603
00:39:06,733 --> 00:39:08,833
Kiki made a question, the starting question.

604
00:39:08,973 --> 00:39:11,093
So now she's doing the starting question again.

605
00:39:12,033 --> 00:39:12,453
There you go.

606
00:39:13,633 --> 00:39:15,173
Let's see what she got for me.

607
00:39:15,293 --> 00:39:23,913
yeah so i'm gonna share where's kiki after long thinking long and hard my question is what famous

608
00:39:23,913 --> 00:39:32,633
person do you think would have been or is secretly a bitcoiner and my example for myself is anthony

609
00:39:32,633 --> 00:39:40,833
bardine so my one so they can be dead right yeah i can be dead yeah i mean totally tupac or steve

610
00:39:40,833 --> 00:39:50,953
jobs would have been bitcoiners oh wow probably yeah why there's why i think tupac for example was

611
00:39:50,953 --> 00:39:58,853
very interested in justice righteousness he had the kind of personality that was um that was a man

612
00:39:58,853 --> 00:40:03,213
of virtue like i actually even made a tweet about this a couple years ago i said tupac would have

613
00:40:03,213 --> 00:40:10,313
been a bitcoiner and biggie would have been a shitcoiner really yeah man so um so that was uh

614
00:40:10,313 --> 00:40:14,213
that's one and then i think steve jobs also has a similar kind of character i think steve jobs

615
00:40:14,213 --> 00:40:20,473
likes to pierce through all the fucking bullshit and he's he he loves sort of the idea of he loved

616
00:40:20,473 --> 00:40:27,173
the idea i should say of things that were elegant things that were just like solid you know no sort

617
00:40:27,173 --> 00:40:31,133
of like frills and crap and all this sort of stuff and like bitcoin is pure pristine money

618
00:40:31,133 --> 00:40:36,753
and he was also the kind of personality who i think wouldn't have been afraid to just say you

619
00:40:36,753 --> 00:40:42,473
go fuck yourself like it's bitcoin so yeah they're my they're my two so you think that he had on board

620
00:40:42,473 --> 00:40:49,913
bitcoin so far right now in in our iphones and all the the apple products probably actually yeah

621
00:40:49,913 --> 00:40:54,173
yeah yeah yeah i think so he was uh he was the kind of person who would have like broken the

622
00:40:54,173 --> 00:40:59,153
mold he didn't take shit from nobody so i think so like steve is rolling in his grave right now

623
00:40:59,153 --> 00:41:04,033
with what's happened with apple man like there's been nothing new since he died nothing nothing

624
00:41:04,033 --> 00:41:09,013
nothing fucking new like apple should have had a apple tv there should have been an apple car

625
00:41:09,013 --> 00:41:14,933
there should have been an apple fucking like oven and all of our appliances in the house should

626
00:41:14,933 --> 00:41:21,093
have been apple everything should have worked but here we are dealing with shit everywhere um and

627
00:41:21,093 --> 00:41:26,333
we're still stuck with fucking ipad iphone and the laptop like nothing new drives me crazy

628
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:31,713
yeah one last thing about apple team cook if you're watching this probably not but if you're

629
00:41:31,713 --> 00:41:33,773
watching this. Please change the

630
00:41:33,773 --> 00:41:35,653
configuration of the mouse. To

631
00:41:35,653 --> 00:41:38,013
charge it, you need to plug it

632
00:41:38,013 --> 00:41:39,553
in the belly,

633
00:41:39,673 --> 00:41:41,473
like here, so you cannot use it.

634
00:41:42,593 --> 00:41:43,793
It's just a design.

635
00:41:43,893 --> 00:41:44,953
You just need to change.

636
00:41:45,353 --> 00:41:47,153
Where's the USB-C port?

637
00:41:48,013 --> 00:41:48,433
But, yeah.

638
00:41:50,373 --> 00:41:50,893
Anyways,

639
00:41:51,433 --> 00:41:53,693
I'll continue with Nostar and South Atlantis.

640
00:41:54,473 --> 00:41:55,533
We're also watching

641
00:41:55,533 --> 00:41:57,113
a new way of location independence.

642
00:41:57,593 --> 00:41:59,333
I don't know, Borderless Living.

643
00:42:00,533 --> 00:42:01,373
I don't know.

644
00:42:01,373 --> 00:42:02,993
also people living abroad.

645
00:42:03,633 --> 00:42:09,073
So my question is, like, with all that we're facing with new economies,

646
00:42:09,073 --> 00:42:12,113
now they say that also in South Atlantis,

647
00:42:12,813 --> 00:42:15,053
you can build your own events and everything.

648
00:42:15,613 --> 00:42:17,073
So events and...

649
00:42:17,893 --> 00:42:19,853
For me, you know, what's more than events?

650
00:42:19,933 --> 00:42:23,893
I think it's a place where actually people can collide and talk

651
00:42:23,893 --> 00:42:25,933
because you will be present there.

652
00:42:26,033 --> 00:42:29,273
It's not just chatting in the internet, like, in Twitter or whatever, right?

653
00:42:29,533 --> 00:42:30,453
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

654
00:42:31,373 --> 00:42:46,613
And you also mentioned that now that we have these new three tools, Bitcoin, Nostra, and AI, what does it mean that for these new generations that, well, you already mentioned a little bit that they can build more stuff, but not just in Bitcoin related.

655
00:42:46,613 --> 00:42:52,393
let's say this is a question for people that are not precisely on the Bitcoin space, but how can

656
00:42:52,393 --> 00:42:58,313
they take advantage? Think about it as people that, because I know that people, some people in El

657
00:42:58,313 --> 00:43:02,813
Salvador, not just in El Salvador, but here in the podcast for the first time, and they hear like,

658
00:43:02,933 --> 00:43:08,293
all right, they're talking something similar, but I don't get it quite well. So how can take

659
00:43:08,293 --> 00:43:14,013
advantage in my real life of these kind of tools? Yeah. So let's start with this idea of like the

660
00:43:14,013 --> 00:43:19,793
world has gotten smaller and faster right like we're all connected online you know we're sort of

661
00:43:19,793 --> 00:43:27,713
couple degrees of separation from each other um you know you can be in salvador today in brazil

662
00:43:27,713 --> 00:43:34,373
tomorrow in bali next week in japan australia like it's just a flight away but when you land

663
00:43:34,373 --> 00:43:37,953
you're going to know people because you're connected to them on nostril twitter or instagram

664
00:43:37,953 --> 00:43:42,253
or something like that it's like the world is smaller you know and people people live this kind

665
00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:47,473
of lifestyle they go to different conferences like i've been to probably 50 conferences and

666
00:43:47,473 --> 00:43:54,013
there's probably people that i've seen at almost every single one of those 50 conferences like i

667
00:43:54,013 --> 00:43:58,493
see them all the time like canute or giacomo or this and it's like hey how you doing again

668
00:43:58,493 --> 00:44:05,233
um like you've sort of got that part is like that the way we live like travel and movement and

669
00:44:05,233 --> 00:44:09,573
mobility is a is kind of like a lifestyle now like people work remotely like ever since the

670
00:44:09,573 --> 00:44:16,953
whole lockdowns thing like the way we live the way we work um the way we live the way we live

671
00:44:16,953 --> 00:44:23,533
the way we work it's completely changed and we have and this isn't with everybody but there's a

672
00:44:23,533 --> 00:44:27,913
growing cohort of people who have some level of location independence right like they can have

673
00:44:27,913 --> 00:44:33,033
multiple home bases they can move around they can be mobile so i think that's one sort of pillar to

674
00:44:33,033 --> 00:44:39,273
to think about the second pillar is what i call sort of the rise of the experience economy which

675
00:44:39,273 --> 00:44:44,753
you sort of alluded to with like not just events but kind of like meeting up in meet space is the

676
00:44:44,753 --> 00:44:52,273
world is more connected online but people have never felt more disconnected i agree like so

677
00:44:52,273 --> 00:45:01,893
there's this like huge desire for um for people to come together and to meet like i don't mind

678
00:45:01,893 --> 00:45:07,353
jumping on a podcast or speaking to someone on zoom or something like that but bro it is a hundred

679
00:45:07,353 --> 00:45:12,453
times, it is a thousand times better to catch up with you in real life and sit down and hang out,

680
00:45:12,553 --> 00:45:17,993
right? Like we are physical beings. It means the world. So in the context of what I'm building here

681
00:45:17,993 --> 00:45:23,333
with Atlantis, we're sort of shifting the focus now. It's like, okay, we want to get people off

682
00:45:23,333 --> 00:45:27,933
their phones. I want to get people into the real world. And this is what I'm calling the experience

683
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:34,973
economy. Like you experience events, you experience travel, you experience going to places and

684
00:45:34,973 --> 00:45:39,353
checking out cool cafes and cool parties and cool restaurants, or if it's just a fucking,

685
00:45:39,353 --> 00:45:43,393
a cool beach that you want to go to with the friends and just hang out, like,

686
00:45:43,773 --> 00:45:50,673
this is what I'm interested in. So for me, that's sort of like the, the, the mission or the vision

687
00:45:50,673 --> 00:45:56,373
that I'm trying to build for, like the world has changed, like mobility and location independence

688
00:45:56,373 --> 00:46:00,673
is more important, but we're more disconnected than ever. We want to do stuff in real life.

689
00:46:00,673 --> 00:46:06,133
So where all of those pieces of the puzzle come together is kind of where the product is.

690
00:46:06,333 --> 00:46:08,173
And I truly think we're onto something here.

691
00:46:09,393 --> 00:46:10,373
Yeah, absolutely.

692
00:46:11,333 --> 00:46:20,893
Also, I think you mentioned here in Barcelona, because you talk about this, about the three Cs in your panel, our connection, community and creation.

693
00:46:21,733 --> 00:46:25,533
How do they shape in our culture?

694
00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:28,613
And when I'm talking about our culture now, I'm talking about in our culture.

695
00:46:28,613 --> 00:46:34,833
yeah i mean this is related to exactly what i said like people but what people human beings

696
00:46:34,833 --> 00:46:38,573
really want is that they want to build a community like the whole sovereign individual

697
00:46:38,573 --> 00:46:42,933
thesis is bullshit because no one no one is an individual like we're we are tribes we're

698
00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:47,533
community we're social creatures you know and as part of that community what holds it together is

699
00:46:47,533 --> 00:46:51,693
the connection we feel um you know and this is another thing that people get wrong i think is

700
00:46:51,693 --> 00:46:58,133
they look for like-minded people but what they should be looking for is like valued people that's

701
00:46:58,133 --> 00:47:01,393
more important. Like if you get like-minded, you get a bunch of people who think the same,

702
00:47:01,473 --> 00:47:05,733
but maybe they don't share the same values. But what you really want is people who value the same

703
00:47:05,733 --> 00:47:11,853
things, but think differently. They're multi variant minded, but like valued. So that's

704
00:47:11,853 --> 00:47:18,373
connection. And then third is, this is sort of part of the curation I view as the antidote

705
00:47:18,373 --> 00:47:32,1000
to noise So when you live in a world where anything that you want from an information perspective is just the prompt to chat GPT away like if you can just google anything like if you can just open up google maps and see a

706
00:47:32,1000 --> 00:47:37,580
fucking million places you don't have value there now now you're drowning in a sea of noise so what

707
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:42,600
you really want now is curation you want something where like if you're going to go to a place if

708
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,600
you're going to do something if you're going to have a suggestion you want someone that you trust

709
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:51,340
or someone that you know to have told you like a list and that's why you see on instagram these

710
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:56,140
days there is how many thousands or hundreds of thousands of accounts now that are kind of like

711
00:47:56,140 --> 00:48:00,680
curation or tastemaker accounts you know they create like oh these are the best 10 places in

712
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,519
Bali to go to this is the best thing to do here like what are these people doing they're curating

713
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:10,540
but the tool Instagram is not great for curation because all you can do is do a you know a reel

714
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:14,400
and then someone saves that reel and forgets about it right so I think we can do that a little bit

715
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,400
better with um with tools like Nostra so I think yeah the three C's community connection curation

716
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:31,720
I think that's hyper, hyper important for human beings in general, especially in the digital age where we are more disconnected, more distracted, more alone, all of these things.

717
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,680
Like this is the antidote to this stuff.

718
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:34,760
Yeah.

719
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,620
You know, I was thinking about that.

720
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:43,660
I remember when I started the podcast, I was talking with a lot of the guests that come to Bitcoiners.

721
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:49,240
And we were talking about, you know what, how do we bring Bitcoin to the mainstream?

722
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:55,960
now bitcoin is becoming mainstream thanks to you know sabato but also trump and also the

723
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:02,640
now the bitcoin treasury companies blah blah so eventually bitcoin it's in the mouth of people

724
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,560
so i have now the same question to you but in nostril how do we bring this nostril to to the

725
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:15,420
mainstream we we do it by not talking about nostril by building seriously by by building cool

726
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:21,960
products where nostril is just a tool in the stack that's it like i don't it's and honestly

727
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:28,519
it's the same answer for bitcoin you bitcoin even today like yeah sure more people are talking about

728
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:34,860
it and it's become more normalized but it's still in most people's mind yeah we're still really early

729
00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:42,519
but it's still in most people's minds bitcoin lives in the category of uh investment vehicle

730
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:44,740
or speculative instrument or something like that.

731
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,680
It's still not money, right?

732
00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:51,680
Maybe for 1% of 1% of us it is,

733
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,340
but for most people, it's not money yet.

734
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:59,180
So, you know, when Bitcoin, like, I'll tell you how these win.

735
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:00,840
In the next 5, 10 years,

736
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,940
we're going to see really cool products get built,

737
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,220
whether it's a travel app, whether it's a SaaS tool like Slack,

738
00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:11,880
whether it's an Airbnb app, whether it's a new competitor, Uber, whatever.

739
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Like you're going to see new products and there's going to be two things in there that come standard.

740
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:23,519
Bitcoin is a payments mechanism and there'll be some sort of social element in there that makes the application better.

741
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,880
So you'll see events apps, which is what we're doing.

742
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:26,200
Right.

743
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,880
So you'll see that.

744
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:33,240
Now, none of these companies will be Bitcoin companies or Nostra companies.

745
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:41,160
They're just going to be events company, travel company, transport company, communications company, whatever.

746
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,999
They're going to be actual businesses, but they just use Nostra and Bitcoin in the stack.

747
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:46,540
That's how we take this shit mainstream.

748
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,240
Not by talking about fucking Nostra and Bitcoin and why Nostra is better and all this shit.

749
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,740
No, the devs will come, they'll build it because it's superior.

750
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:54,900
Simple as that.

751
00:50:55,999 --> 00:51:03,260
Yeah, it's like I was thinking like also when we use the internet, we don't think in the protocols, right?

752
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,800
We don't think about the HTTPS.

753
00:51:05,220 --> 00:51:08,019
We just use it, but we don't think what is behind that.

754
00:51:08,019 --> 00:51:11,560
imagine if there was a HTTPS podcast

755
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,380
probably could have been

756
00:51:15,380 --> 00:51:16,840
if we had podcasts by that time

757
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,080
probably

758
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,560
different times

759
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,220
I had a question in mind

760
00:51:28,220 --> 00:51:30,920
for you what surprised you

761
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,100
or excited you the most building on this thing

762
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:36,580
actually working on it

763
00:51:36,580 --> 00:51:40,040
Look, for me, it's the, you know,

764
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:43,160
more people know me for my writing than building stuff,

765
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,360
but I've always been a builder.

766
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:50,680
I like building and I really enjoy working with the team,

767
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,060
with the product guys, you know, working with customers,

768
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:55,519
talking to them, all this sort of stuff.

769
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,560
For me, I guess it's not so much a, you know,

770
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:05,180
maybe one surprise is I was more bullish on the places element of our app

771
00:52:05,180 --> 00:52:07,560
where pins and maps and all that sort of stuff.

772
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,620
But what we found was that more people wanted a really good events app.

773
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,240
And maybe that's the big surprise.

774
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:19,420
I was surprised that there is no good events app with Bitcoin native ticketing.

775
00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:21,760
That's the fucking surprise.

776
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,060
There's nowhere I can go right now and create a meetup

777
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:27,660
and make $5 tickets in Bitcoin.

778
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,140
It's crazy.

779
00:52:29,140 --> 00:52:29,720
It doesn't exist.

780
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,460
That's probably the surprise, I must say.

781
00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:33,880
Forget all the other bullshit that I said.

782
00:52:34,140 --> 00:52:34,700
That's the surprise.

783
00:52:35,180 --> 00:52:43,240
yeah like and that's like and the biggest surprise is that i didn't fucking realize this earlier like

784
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,840
i'm an idiot i was sitting there building all this other shit and i was like wait a minute this is

785
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,780
staring me right in the face so here i am we're gonna build the best possible events up in the

786
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:55,380
world and it's gonna be bitcoin native and we're gonna orange pill a bunch of people in the process

787
00:52:55,380 --> 00:53:01,300
that's cool hey we're gonna start wrap it up because i think we have just like 10 minutes or

788
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:05,880
or less but yeah before that you know this is salvador and bitcoin podcast and you have been

789
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,580
el salvador several times so if you can share a little bit about your experience there and because

790
00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:16,300
you have been there a couple of times you can you have seen whatever you have seen the good bad

791
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:24,760
progress or not because i also encourage to people to not just read in the media to ask people who

792
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:31,280
has been the salvador and to share their experience either good or bad whatever i just want you to

793
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:38,760
to share uh yeah your experience there personal and also in the events the big the big standout

794
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:44,240
for me for salvador is the progress that it's made over the last couple years so when i first

795
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:53,900
went there it was yeah 2021 but it was um in july so it was before bitcoin law came into effect

796
00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:58,660
it was it was kind of right after the announcement so i went there it was the first time

797
00:53:58,660 --> 00:54:04,580
and yeah it was like you know pretty rough you know things you know things haven't been cleaned

798
00:54:04,580 --> 00:54:08,820
up yet but it was i was already a little bit used to it because i was traveling through latin america

799
00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:12,420
a little bit so you know to me it was just sort of latin america but you know maybe a little bit

800
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:18,700
more rough whatever but then one thing i something i noticed that each time i came back i've been

801
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:27,240
there four times now it improved improved improved improved so to me the sort of the big takeaway is

802
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:33,660
that things are on the up. And that's not the same with every other place. Many, many other places

803
00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:39,120
are actually getting worse as time goes by. So that's sort of one thing. What I will say, though,

804
00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:43,900
for the people who just assume that means it's everything is perfect. It's like, no, fuck no.

805
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:47,840
Like Salvador is starting from very far behind. So even though everything's on the up,

806
00:54:48,019 --> 00:54:51,900
it's going to take a long time for all sorts of things to get fixed. I know lots of people go

807
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:57,740
there and they're like overly optimistic they they you know believe everything they see on twitter or

808
00:54:57,740 --> 00:55:01,700
podcasts or this and that and they think like oh i'm coming to paradise and then all of a sudden

809
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:06,019
they can't get this and they can't do that and they can't like or one thing that drives me crazy

810
00:55:06,019 --> 00:55:11,800
in el salvador is the fucking roads man holy shit like no like i always say that it's like stevie

811
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:18,060
wonder built the roads like with his eyes closed or something like you know you you take one fucking

812
00:55:18,060 --> 00:55:21,940
turn left that's wrong bro you'll be driving around for another three hours to try and get

813
00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:27,080
back to like where you're supposed to go to drives me nuts so that's going to take a long time to get

814
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:33,019
fixed and i think the reality is people need to go there with just with some humility and say hey

815
00:55:33,019 --> 00:55:39,560
it's improving but it's a long way from perfect and you know particularly if you come from like

816
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,760
a previous western world country like you're going to have a certain level of expectations

817
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,620
that are not going to be met if you don't understand that.

818
00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:51,760
So you go to El Salvador for progress, not for perfection.

819
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:56,700
And that, to me, is very important for people to realize.

820
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,499
Yeah, absolutely.

821
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:04,740
Yeah, no, and actually I was asking you this because at first,

822
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:07,940
of course, I read Coiners.co.

823
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,479
I asked, can you share the positive side of El Salvador?

824
00:56:12,479 --> 00:56:13,960
but then I get comments back

825
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,560
yeah if you ask this way

826
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,499
you're talking just the positive things

827
00:56:18,499 --> 00:56:20,780
and I was like yeah but I also

828
00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:22,200
want people to know that

829
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,580
it's not perfect but

830
00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:26,420
we're in the progress we're in the right path

831
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:28,640
so what I'm trying

832
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,019
to say here is that

833
00:56:30,019 --> 00:56:32,600
ask to people that go to

834
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,740
El Salvador and you will see the progress

835
00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:36,440
the actual progress is not

836
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,580
because we also have a lot of

837
00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:40,620
shit thrown to El Salvador that

838
00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:41,540
you know that

839
00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:43,360
well related to politics

840
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,260
or whatever or also that

841
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:47,640
Bitcoin failed. There's a lot of shit, you know

842
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,640
but the best way to

843
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,320
know the truth is to ask into other people

844
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,460
traveling on Sabbath. So that's why I also

845
00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:54,100
like to

846
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:57,580
ask the experiencer. Some people tell

847
00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:59,440
me that I don't like Pupusa

848
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,900
and I was like, I'm just kidding.

849
00:57:02,580 --> 00:57:03,140
No, but

850
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:05,080
I mean, the reality of it

851
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,420
and what I encourage and I always say it

852
00:57:07,420 --> 00:57:09,300
actually in most of the episodes is that

853
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:11,300
yeah, I agree. We come from behind

854
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:16,900
but the good part is that now we have the tools and the opportunities to build so yeah we're

855
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:22,340
building but it will take a long road rome wasn't built in one year or one day you know so

856
00:57:22,340 --> 00:57:28,780
dude people are so fucking impatient these days man like we live in the tiktok generation where

857
00:57:28,780 --> 00:57:34,320
everyone wants everything it's like fucking hell man you know like it takes years to turn a business

858
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:39,400
around like go try and turn a fucking country around like it's a it's a process and this is

859
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,240
like people always piss me off when they do shit like that they're like oh yeah but you know

860
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:48,200
bitcoin's been around for 15 years it's like motherfucker bitcoin's designed to be around for

861
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:54,019
a thousand years like hold your horses like bitcoin wins in a hundred like and it's the

862
00:57:54,019 --> 00:57:57,700
same thing with the country it's like oh you know bukele's been around for four years and blah it's

863
00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:03,780
like yeah bro four years is nothing nothing yeah it takes time so shut the fuck up and if you think

864
00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:08,979
you can do it better yourself go do it otherwise shut up so like it just drives me crazy like the

865
00:58:08,979 --> 00:58:12,979
sort of the keyboard warriors who've got a lot to say but don't actually do anything

866
00:58:12,979 --> 00:58:19,460
yeah absolutely my last question is and we're gonna we're gonna finish the podcast i actually

867
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:26,320
it was going to be mine but i just remind that last season i recorded an episode and we were

868
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,820
supposed to have that episode so someone made a question for you and i'm looking up for this

869
00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:36,240
because it was related to bitcoin and also to quantum computer i i remind that it was

870
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:48,120
quite interesting so when quantum computing is here and we know that the old you know pre-2010

871
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:56,060
wallets are going to be exposed but they haven't moved do we as bitcoiners have a responsibility

872
00:58:56,060 --> 00:59:04,940
to move those for them or do we just say tough we shouldn't touch them but potentially a hacker

873
00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:06,499
drains those wallets?

874
00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:09,140
It's a very well-framed question, actually.

875
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:12,380
Yeah, I can give you a time to think about it.

876
00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:17,360
It's not just the usual bullshit quantum computing question

877
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,900
about is this thing going to break everything, blah, blah,

878
00:59:20,979 --> 00:59:24,700
takes into consideration the fact that, yeah, at some point,

879
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,040
some of those early addresses are going to be susceptible

880
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,920
to being reverse-engineered.

881
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:33,920
Do we have a duty to move those coins?

882
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:57,220
I don't think so. My gut feeling is that it's not our duty. I think it's whoever can get access to those coins is going to get access to those coins and they're going to do what they want with them. And those coins will end up back in circulation, basically. And that will create economic velocity and it'll probably have some impact on the price and purchasing power of Bitcoin as they come back into circulation.

883
00:59:57,220 --> 01:00:00,440
but yeah I think the answer is

884
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,440
no we don't have a responsibility to move those

885
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,200
coins for anyone else they are what they are

886
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,440
and it's how the coins will come back

887
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,440
into circulation because if someone like if you think

888
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,160
about it someone's gonna take them

889
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,280
quote unquote steal them

890
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,420
but then they'll use them so those

891
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:16,280
coins will come back around and

892
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,040
that's just what's gonna happen

893
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,420
alright that's

894
01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:22,019
very good and interesting

895
01:00:22,019 --> 01:00:24,540
answer alright yeah my last

896
01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:26,140
question will be like what's next for

897
01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:33,499
so atlantis and astor what can we explain okay so the next thing is we are going to be the official

898
01:00:33,499 --> 01:00:39,080
side event app for adopting bitcoin so all of the satellite events yeah so all the satellite events

899
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,519
everything's going to happen on atlantis okay um so i don't know if you're going to be running an

900
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:47,880
event there but you just created on atlantis you can add it to the adopting bitcoin calendar

901
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,820
and off we go we are going to also partner with a bunch of other conferences so amsterdam

902
01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:56,100
LaBitComp, BGC Mina, Bitcoin Japan, all these sort of things.

903
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:01,880
So we're basically one of our strategies to be the satellite event partner for all of these conferences, number one.

904
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:09,160
Number two is we want to get every single meetup that is a Bitcoin meetup in the world on Atlantis.

905
01:01:09,660 --> 01:01:11,400
So I would love an introduction.

906
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,560
If you know the meetup organizers in Salvador, around the place, please introduce me.

907
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:18,979
I'd love to get them to getoffmeetup.com.

908
01:01:18,979 --> 01:01:19,540
We have several.

909
01:01:19,540 --> 01:01:20,600
Yeah, yeah.

910
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,479
let's get them all on Atlantis, man.

911
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,019
That's the place.

912
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,740
That's my mission over the next six months.

913
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,560
I want every single Bitcoin meetup,

914
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,120
every single Bitcoin conference around the world

915
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,740
to be on Atlantis.

916
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,280
Give us a beautiful marketplace of events

917
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,460
so that anyone can find them,

918
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,880
anyone can attend, anyone can host.

919
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:37,600
It'll be amazing.

920
01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:39,519
All right, perfect.

921
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:40,740
What about Barcelona?

922
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:42,019
I know that you have Jordi here,

923
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,460
but I don't know if Jordi is working

924
01:01:43,460 --> 01:01:44,780
with the guys in Barcelona.

925
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,260
Yeah, so he's got one of the meetups,

926
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,400
because I know there was like a fork

927
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,019
with the Bitcoin meetups in Barcelona.

928
01:01:50,019 --> 01:01:52,280
So one of them is on Atlantis.

929
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:54,740
The other one hopefully will come soon.

930
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:56,580
Okay, perfect.

931
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,260
And yeah, I think we're going to,

932
01:01:58,340 --> 01:01:59,900
because I also one of the organizers

933
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:02,019
of the Barcelona conference,

934
01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:05,220
you know, the ones that we made this year.

935
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:08,440
So hopefully next year we're going to have it again.

936
01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:11,019
Fuck yeah, let's do it.

937
01:02:11,180 --> 01:02:12,979
We will help you set up the calendar.

938
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:15,360
By next year, we'll have an agenda feature on this.

939
01:02:15,420 --> 01:02:17,060
So that way you as a conference organizer

940
01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:18,240
have end-to-end support.

941
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,360
You'll have ticketing, agenda, side events, everything in one place.

942
01:02:22,540 --> 01:02:24,580
And you'll be able to spin that up in 10 minutes.

943
01:02:24,660 --> 01:02:26,979
You don't have to fuck around with a website and all the other bullshit.

944
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:32,560
You can have your unique link and you can run your whole event there, Bitcoin ticketing, all of it, all in one place.

945
01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:33,800
It'll be so good.

946
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:35,519
Perfect, man.

947
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:36,680
So excited for this.

948
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:37,999
All right, man.

949
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,620
Vesky, Alex, thank you for coming for the podcast.

950
01:02:40,860 --> 01:02:43,760
Thank you for being the first guest on the new season.

951
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:45,999
Yeah, thank you, man, for your time.

952
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:47,300
Gracias, amigo.

953
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:48,420
I appreciate the time.

954
01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:49,740
I appreciate the questions.

955
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:50,640
I appreciate all of it,

956
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:50,760
man.

957
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,999
I look forward to catching up,

958
01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:54,160
doing some stuff together.

959
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:54,800
It's going to be amazing.

960
01:02:55,660 --> 01:02:55,900
Yeah,

961
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:56,240
absolutely.

962
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:56,880
All right,

963
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:57,140
guys,

964
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,240
we're ready to start the season.

965
01:02:58,620 --> 01:02:59,460
See you next week.

966
01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:00,240
Ciao.