they're telling us that cbdc's are more convenient they're like crypto but safer and the truth is i
don't see the point of convenience like what are you telling me what's going to be more convenient
for me than just taking my phone and tapping it you know to to pay for a POS so there is no more
convenience I will have to get probably another app that's going to be my digital euro wallet or
whatever that is I will have to get a trust you know to other companies that actually created the
wallets or that they're running them safely that there's not going to be a data breach anything
then I'm going to have to understand how it's going to interact with my actual bank account,
how it's going to interact with my salary or my incomes.
So I don't see more convenience for me.
I just don't buy it.
hello guys welcome once again to the last episode of the year 2025 of beat corner podcast i just
want to wish you a merry christmas and rest and spend time with your loved ones you deserve this
This year was an amazing year in the podcast, but not just in the podcast, but for all of Bitcoiners.
We keep building and little by little, we have been showing to the world that we have an alternative to our future.
So keep building, keep stacking, keep doing what you do, because every single thing that we do as individuals contributes to make a better world.
So anyways, guys, this is the last episode of the year.
And actually, it is the episode 99 of the podcast.
So good way to finish the year.
And I'm just happy to share with all you.
Anyways, I don't want to extend any longer.
Because today we have a very exciting episode to finish the year.
And I want to welcome Kristina Mazankova, which is the head of PR of Bitcoin Inc.
But not just that, she's also making the first Bitcoin master degree in Spain.
So it will be a very interesting topic.
We are going to talk about that, but also about CBDCs and Bitcoin adoption in Europe.
So again, Merry Christmas and enjoy the episode and see you next year.
Well, I always like to start the podcast if you can share a little bit more about your background.
and then we'll start, you know, the Bitcoin rabbit hole journey
and then we go to the topic.
But for people that probably is seeing you for the first time,
maybe you can share a little bit about you.
Sure. I'm born and raised and I lived most of my life in Czech Republic.
So I'm from the breed of Czech Bitcoiners.
I started to work in PR some, you know, 15 years ago,
specifically focusing on tech companies and tech PR.
PR is basically a very specific job
for making external communication with media,
influencers and social media.
And the tech specifically for me was interesting
because I wanted to work in companies
where I can communicate very directly
and very straightforward.
So that was my reason of focusing on tech.
And then I moved from agency sides to corporate sides.
I worked mostly with like middle size companies, some startups, some companies that were at the beginning of becoming corporations.
And then 19, I found this, you know, interesting position that I applied for in Satoshi Labs.
and I worked for Trezor as a PR person for two years.
Czech company, by the way.
Yes, right.
It's a funny story.
Trezor actually means safe, caja fuerte.
So that's a Czech word and it has actually meaning.
So it's not Trezor, it's not Trezor, it's a Trezor.
That's how it sounds.
Okay, good to know.
Well, I learned something today.
Yeah.
and then from Trezor I moved to
BTC Inc
working mainly on the conferences
but there are also other brands
so you as
contacts on my media list probably
receiving all sorts of
you know PRs and
press releases and information
from me
and I've been working
on the
conferences since
2022
so for some three years and yeah i started to teach at hesper this university this year i'm
teaching communications in the master in bitcoin in spanish because i live in spain and yeah we are
kicking off the new master degree in april in english it will be online so it's you know open
to anybody globally who is curious about bitcoin or who has some knowledge of bitcoin and just
is looking for you know joining this academic community and wants to wants to participate in
this program yeah bunch of questions about that but i'm gonna ask you in the right moment but uh
i always ask do you remind if you had like an uh you know the how moment or you had like a process
learning of bitcoin what gets you the most while you were learning about it well i had lots of well
just in my mind i have one specific friend that was you know talking about bitcoin constantly and
i was like yeah it sounds interesting but like lots of learning lots of like digging into
technicalities and uh it always was interesting and i was uh i was seeing how you got you know
completely down the rabbit hole and was constantly talking about mining he was mining at home
and we were thinking like maybe he's a little bit crazy you know
like our bitcoiners like our bitcoiners and um then the aha moment basically i was orange
built by the founders of uh of treasure they're just uh amazing uh amazing uh people who had you
know the best ideas in uh in the community i was orange built by them and it kind of all
came together for me because um when i was i was originally studying economics international
relations and journalism and i was uh participating in libertarian institute in in czech republic and
during high school and and doing summer camps and so for me i was always libertarian economically
I was focusing on technologies.
For me, it's easier, I would say, to understand some of the technicalities of Bitcoin.
I'm not a technical person.
I'm not a programmer.
I'm not a cryptographer.
My job is not to understand or detail technical parts of the Bitcoin, more like translate
the implication to general public.
That's what PR does, right?
So it made kind of sense.
Like my philosophical, my life philosophy and my previous knowledge and working with
the Czech companies that were trying to break through globally, it all came down to Trezor
and it was an amazing experience.
and obviously um you know the fun part of learning the community which is one of the most brutal
communities i've ever encountered i can figure about that yeah absolutely and actually yeah
talking about brutal question actually let's talk a little bit about that because from my perspective
you know europe often it's like presented itself as progressive and open and innovative which is
kind of true in some ways but jet is despitely like hostile that's my perspective to bitcoin
so but i don't know how you see it like how is bitcoin rapid in europe media in general what can
you tell us about this you know working on the conferences on uh on many continents it gives you
really global perspective for bitcoin and like the use of bitcoin in different continents so i just
came back last week from uh from abu dhabi uh conference bitcoin media uh in summer we had a
conference in hong kong in november we had conference in amsterdam and uh in may in las
vegas it's completely different audience in each of these conferences different use cases for
bitcoin different motivations for bitcoin different people that are looking into get in
getting involved in Bitcoin.
And so this perspective is kind of interesting for me
because coming from Europe,
I can see how, for example, in American politics,
clearly you're a traditional right or left.
And that basically says whether you are pro-immigration
or against immigration, pro-Bitcoin and cryptos
or against it.
if you are pro green energies or against it's kind of very well formed and there's not many
in betweens um in europe i would say what's interesting is that the spectrum is much wider
politically it's more of a spectrum that like two sides and also i think the ethos around bitcoin in
Europe is very much formed against around cyberpunks and crypto anarchists and anarchism
is something that is traditionally left-leaning rather than right-leaning and you could you could
assume that European Bitcoiners are more likely seeking for general freedoms so and those freedoms
are in everything whether whenever is your sexual orientation or is your religion or is your
political inclinations it's more like you do you i do me approach and you don't mingle into my
things and i don't i don't into yours so i think interestingly enough i would say european
bitcoiners are more freedom spirits and more focusing on literally literally what bitcoin
should do and give you the freedom of living your life as you wish whether the governments in europe
even though
portraying themselves
as a left
leaning it's
about the massive control
control of everything so
I mean it's not surprising
coming from a communist country
I can tell you that
it's disguised behind
being the morally higher
person when you are on the left
side of the spectrum
on the other hand you need to look for
sides of manipulations and control which there are many in terms of left-leaning governments
yeah absolutely actually that's why i think like the type of the programs that or the master that
you're doing in bitcoin is so important to start teaching about that you have like another
alternative tool that doesn't control the population somehow that you have a peer-to-peer
actually a system in order to provide an option because that's the thing i think the most powerful
thing that happened in El Salvador in the Bitcoin adoption, let's say, is that people had a choice.
For example one of the main things that we had is that people didn have access to bank accounts because besides the story of El Salvador it was dangerous and everything the infrastructure is not quite well We are a country that is currently now building a lot and is actually developing for the first
time.
But that's why people didn't have access to bank accounts.
Therefore, they didn't have access to have their own savings or make transactions, whatever.
But having the possibility to download any wallet and start using Bitcoin, that made
and powerful in the sense that they have a choice in order to have start having savings or do their
own businesses or transaction without depending of a third party right i think that that's one of the
things that are more powerful but also yeah go ahead i just wanted to say that interesting is
like i work with many people that uh for example focus on africa and they say you know when you
actually don't have an access to financial system you are excluded and you uh are you know maybe in
a country where the government is uh corrupt beyond any means and basically the inflation is
skyrocketing for decades you like if you tell these people about bitcoin they're like immediately
getting it they're like immediately understanding okay they don't need the technical details or all
convincing that we are not killing the planet or other reasons because it actually solves the real
very real daily problem for them and i think a little bit similar lots of people ask me being
for czech republic why there's so many companies in czech republic where there's such a community
around bitcoin of builders in czech republic and one of the reasons i think is that you know we've
been through occupation basically by the uh by russia we were under very strict you know
socialist regime even before before that uh we had you know germany coming in and taking
the land and the properties and and controlling everything like we wouldn't we were not able to
use czech language we were czech books were burned the culture was uh very much wiped out
So what we learned as a nation in Czech Republic is anything can be taken away from you.
And we learned to duck and survive.
And I think that the use case for Bitcoin very often in Czech Republic is
wherever comes another army, another nation that wants to just occupy our land
and take anything that we have or a regime that just basically takes your property
and says, no, it's going to be property of everybody.
this is a property that you cannot take yeah so that's very powerful for a nation like checks that
you know being robbed of their generational wealth over and over yeah do you think that
i was just thinking like do you think that bitcoin let's say for policymakers let's say in europe
because we're talking about euros is more dangerous than because of actually what bitcoin is of what
because what actually reveals because once you learn what it's you know like let's say uh
Austrian economics and everything that
the core values of Bitcoin
involves. It's like, for us
that are Bitcoiners, there's no going back, right?
Because we're in a rabbit hole that opens
thousands of rabbit holes.
Obviously, governments want to
control their money. That's
their main means of control.
Like taxation, like
printing money, all
around that. So
from that point of view, it
presents a threat
to them because they feel like they don't have a control over bitcoin or that if they if they
regulate it more and more they will gain the control over bitcoin the truth is and it's
interesting to see that once the politicians realize that people actually vote with their
wallets and bitcoin is what they want they can actually gain and instead of making it threat
they can make it their power i i don't think there is a very effective future without governments
I just hope that the future is more free and more fair to every person and their freedom.
So I would say what we need to demonstrate is that overtaxing or overregulating Bitcoin is going to drive people away.
The same way as, you know, if you tax wealthy individuals, they will just go away from the country.
and with them they will take the jobs and they will take the uh uh their you know annual tax
contributions so i think just government need to realize this is just another asset that people
want to use freely and uh you know make conditions and you know fair conditions on the market for
everybody to use yeah actually when you design like a bitcoin master program that that's what
did where do you even start because it's so complex and uh we all come from different rabbit
for different uh context let's say so where do you even start in the case of the one that you're
starting to do you know the the ambition of the master degree is not for you to get like you know
read all the books that been written about bitcoin and get like exact formation or like
you know, knowledge of the Bitcoin.
It's more of being participating in academic space
where you can actually discuss your ideas
or your different experiences or your different values.
And it's inviting people to do it under, you know,
open, free, private university instead of on X or YouTube.
So it should be creating a framework
where people actually engage on this topic scientifically
or at least in the academic space.
How do you avoid like, you know,
ideology is like price obsession
because most people enter because of the price
or even crypto.
So this degree is about Bitcoin only.
I often say I don't understand crypto.
I don't study it.
I don't know about it.
So maybe there are other use cases
for different coins or different projects.
For me, I focus on Bitcoin.
this degree is focusing on bitcoin we we will probably touch some of the topics like what's
the difference between like what's differentiating bitcoin from the rest of the cryptocurrencies um
we will probably touch topics like stable coins and other stuff but it's focusing mainly on bitcoin
so we'll be discussing economics philosophy legal frameworks uh you know accounting financial
investing, node running, mining, open source projects, communications, marketing, and all
of the aspects. The idea is for people that are interested in this space, they can get a peek
into each of these topics and maybe, you know, start building their own projects or start working
for a company that needs, you know, professionals with a Bitcoin knowledge. There's lots of companies,
non-endemic companies that are now you know starting to realize oh maybe we should do something
about bitcoin or maybe bitcoin could be beneficial for us and so they need people that are still
professionals in different subjects like accountants like marketing people like different
project managers but they actually understand bitcoin so this is also like a great spot where
to start if you start if you if you're a professional you're looking into start working
in the industry to get like real understanding of Bitcoin.
And then obviously there's an opportunity for people to become a part of the community
around this university and look for maybe more academical depth to these topics.
Do you think that it's actually like an opportunity to work in this space first in Europe and
then in Spain?
Because again, as I told you, my perspective here is that there's a lot of anti-Bitcoin
here in Spain.
And in Europe it's kind of, I just said, like a mix, depending where they are, for example, Portugal, they are super pro Bitcoin, also Amsterdam and some others, right? So it depends.
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how to find a job in Bitcoin. I'm not an HR, so I don't hire people very regularly, but I can see
from, you know, my colleagues and people around me, there's so many open jobs for, you know,
Bitcoin jobs. Like you can go to BitVocation, you know, and look for a job in basically any field.
It's not just technical fields. So I would say it's growing constantly and the future looks like
is going to be growing even more.
There are new and new projects
that are built on Bitcoin.
There are new companies.
The companies that are, you know,
OGs in the space are growing.
So there's definitely lots of job opportunities.
Now, if you ask me in Europe specifically,
I would say a Bitcoin industry is very global.
Lots of the companies are actually
looking for remote workers
because they need to cover, you know,
the whole globe so i would say in europe is the same as anywhere else probably when it comes to
regulations you know if you if you have an employer uh or you are freelancing for somebody
you know there's there's that you have a contract and you you just basically do work for a company
from somewhere else so i would say it's not that difficult yeah okay and uh another thing that i
want to ask is like if you showcase things like well the case of El Salvador that we had Bitcoin we adopted Bitcoin as a legal tender not anymore but still using it or Bitcoin in Africa I don know
I'm just curious about the topics that you discussed over there.
You know, the degree is very practical.
So we have, you know, professors or like teachers from all walks of life
and they're from the industry.
That's also a reason why we do this in a private university as the university degree instead of like state degree.
I don't want to get into the details, but that basically allows us to have professors from the practical life and not formed in traditional universities.
for industry like Bitcoin, it's very important because there's not so many academic workers
that actually can teach how to run a note or what's Bitcoin mining in practice.
Some of the experts work globally or they have different specific experiences, but most
of them can speak to subject matter in different countries, continents, and definitely it's
very practically focused apart from more theoretically focused subjects like economics
or philosophy or geopolitics for example okay get it uh christina we're in the middle of the podcast
actually a little bit more of the middle and as the audience knows in the middle of the podcast
we have this game that i told you and the audience knows that my previous guest had a question for my
next guest so these questions it doesn't come from me come from my previous guest
and uh and you will have the chance also to make uh the question for my next guest that
we don't say who it is they will discover in the next episode let's see is it going to be in
spanish the the question yes it's going to be okay let's test my spanish all right let's go
so my previous guest uh guys as i told you at the beginning of the podcast was napoleon osorio
better knowing El Salvador as beat driver
so he has a question for
Stine. Europa está
a punto de
según la percepción o según lo que uno
escucha, está a punto de caer
en algo que es un experimento
mundial, no quiero
ahondar tanto
en qué
qué oportunidad tiene
España
en específico
o cualquier otro lugar de Europa
para
poder salir
del hoyo
al que se está aproximando
¿qué se puede hacer?
¿qué tendría que hacer
para no caer
en esa manipulación
total a la que se está encontrando?
esa
for my understanding
probably he's talking about
CBDCs
kind of related
but I don't know
so yeah
that's what I understood
ok
look
I am a person that is strongly believing
of not making threats in communications.
As a tactic, I think fear is a strong emotion,
but it's not the long-lasting one.
So if you're trying to sell something
or communicate something,
I think fear is easier at the first,
but it's long-term, not a great strategy.
So I would say...
I have a big hopes that in Europe, we went through such transformative times.
And we have a history of, you know, in Czech Republic, throwing the governments out of the window of the parliament.
You know, France goes into strikes every couple of weeks and they, you know, invented guillotines and so on and so on.
So we do have a history of actually people, when they say enough, taking control into their hands.
And I would say we don't need to be aggressive.
We don't need to be violent, but we need to put our foot down and say, we don't want more control.
We don't want to hand over control over all of our aspects of our lives to, you know, unelected officials and in the Central European Bank or any other bank.
So CBDCs for me, and that's what I've been communicating clearly, is a product that is
artificially created on trying to solve something that doesn't need to be solved.
They're telling us that CBDCs are more convenient.
They're like crypto, but safer.
And the truth is, I don't see the point of convenience.
Like, what are you telling me?
What's going to be more convenient for me than just taking my phone and tapping it, you know, to pay for a POS?
So there is no more convenience.
I will have to get probably another app that's going to be my digital euro wallet or whatever that is.
I will have to get a trust, you know, to other companies that actually created the wallets or that they're running them safely, that there is not going to be a data breach or anything.
then I'm going to have to understand how it's going to interact with my actual bank account,
how it's going to interact with my salary or my, you know, incomes. So I don't see more convenience
for me. I just don't buy it. And I think lots of Europeans don't buy it. They just don't understand
why they should all of a sudden get this. So they will have to come up with a new set of talking
points to try to sell us on it. And they're running off options, like what they're going to
sell you so we're gonna see how much you earn immediately we're gonna be able to you know
expire the money so you cannot save we'll be capable of extracting the taxes directly from
your wallet we'll be able to not give you the benefit of doubt we'll be able to control how
much of what you buy and when so you know extreme extreme examples like you have the option now to
pay for your CO2 consumption when you fly somewhere. So that's, that's amazing to me.
So now I'm going to buy a flight ticket with my digital euro and it's going to tell me,
well, Christina, you flew already four times this year, unless you have a very specific and
important reason, you cannot go on a plane anymore. So that's the extreme examples that I
am not willing to just overlook and i think a lot of people see it naturally like homo economicus
really exists in every of us you don't need an economical degree to understand how it's going to
affect you so i have a really big hope in you know the more the european cbdc is being pushed to us
the more pushback there is going to be because people just don't see the convenience that they
are trying to sell us there is no convenience like what is going actually no sorry that the
convenient is actually the most powerful narrative like a weapon of control for the people right
it seems like i think that the convenience is a you know beautiful wrapping paper that is around
disguising what is inside of the package um and it's very difficult to sell nowadays a product
that actually does something so if you are trying to sell a product that doesn't do anything for you
it's going to be very difficult by selling i understand that they can push it on us but they
also need some political power um and they're not in the situation right now in europe where they
would have lots of people you know satisfied and clapping for them so that i'm more positive yeah
but what what do you think actually that it could be the solution here and in europe because you
know sabador again we've made bitcoin legal tender we made a transaction in the u.s they actually use
it in companies are usually in treasury but also in the government so what do you think that it will
actually be the best solution here in europe europe is more diverse than u.s uh and than africa or
latin america maybe not that much um europe i think in each country is a little bit different
and people just need to understand
that they need to fight for their freedom every day.
It's not just like,
now we don't have a war,
so we don't need to fight.
And fight with your votes.
Fight with your votes
and make sure that you are not participating
in something that is stripping away your freedoms.
It's sometimes difficult to find somebody to vote for,
but not voting is also a vote.
Yeah, I was just thinking about this
because I saw a tweet
when you guys see it, probably
it has been one or two weeks, but
I think it was this week,
yesterday or so, that Elon
well, Elon likes to, he's a showman
but sometimes he says something
that actually makes sense, at least for me
in this case, that says that European
Union should be
dissolved or something like that.
And I get why he's saying it,
but actually, if I'm thinking about it, it will
make sense if you want to put it on
Bitcoin way, because I think, as you said,
every European company has their own context.
And one thing that I learned studying engineering
is that I needed to learn a lot about regulations.
And I felt like a policymaker sometimes,
like a lawyer, you know,
because you need to learn like the laws or regulation of Europe,
but then of Spain, but then of Catalonia,
and then the city that lives.
It's very complex in the sense that
I feel that not every European country,
it's even economically,
socioeconomically speaking, right?
So it's very complex in that way.
You know, the unity of Europe
is very young, I would say.
European Union,
with the long history of Europe,
it's relatively young.
So I'm not a big fan
of centralized systems
and I'm not happy
with how Europe works.
But on the other hand,
facing the competition from US and from China and from Russia
and from all of these big, gigantic countries.
For Europe it's beneficial to be united.
And so I would like to see some form of unity.
And ideally that unity wouldn't be based on control
and centralization of decisions.
it would be more cultural unity and monetary unity is probably not working right now for many
many of the countries so czech republic actually hasn't accepted euro yet and um it's it's
interesting like maybe if they start you know instead of euro using bitcoin that would help
yeah absolutely it will actually help yeah so let's let's uh let's uh actually like uh
be more optimist even though i have to be laughing about even saying that out loud but
yeah that would be that would be a great solution yeah and again it's so complex because even i
remind when i started the podcast uh it's not the way that i see bitcoin is not the way that i saw
it like two years ago and of course this is because of the guests that i had and the research
and the experience right in the end i pivot now i see it more like when i teach my colleagues and
and friends or friends of friends about bitcoin i teach them more like a electronic cash system you
know not like the coin it's more like uh no listen this is a system where we use it and it happens
that we have a uh monetary well i don't like to say coins but the bitcoin that is actually work
on this system that's why uh we use it uh so yeah and then happens a lot of rabbit holes i don't know
At least in El Salvador, a lot of people have a perspective that it fails.
I don't think that it fails because in the end we're still using it.
And that's why this podcast exists and a lot of Bitcoin efforts out there,
like Mi Primero Bitcoin, you know, and No Nation and Google Plus,
and I can mention all of them.
But in the end, again, what I think is the most powerful thing
that Bitcoin gave to my country is just to have a choice.
And thank God that Bukele because Bukele could easily have done his own coin or CBTC you know but he opted for Bitcoin So think uh that a good choice not just for us but to anyone that want to improve their lives and i hope that europe
as the way that us is seeing it that the country it's going forward because of this and another
external factors that they can recalplicate that that's that's why i was so interested in this
uh program that you're doing because i was like wow in europe that it's so complicated and
regulation is good that you're first having a bitcoin program and start teaching to other people
about this so i don't know yeah i think i i was actually surprised that there is no other like
bitcoin specific degree in any university in the world like there's lots of blockchains and lots of
web threes and lots of crypto and uh maybe not even that like mostly it's like a blockchain or
disguised something something like that but i was surprised there is not one that would be
specifically focused on bitcoin kind of makes sense it's a niche and it's probably uh very
complicated to you know get grants from centralized ministries or whatever education probably in most
cases so i think it's it's actually quite difficult to uh to have a bitcoin focused
degree and then if you are uh if you're launching that you definitely need to be
like um bitcoiner and and no other bitcoiners because you need to know like what actually who
actually people are in the space and uh who they what what their experiences can bring to the tables
Yeah, well, and actually that hopefully it can replicate because it will be amazing to see these programs replicated.
Yeah, absolutely.
And like inter-universitary corporations and research groups and everything around that would be amazing.
But let's take it, you know, steady.
Yeah, one step at a time.
I know.
I know that's actually what they're doing in El Salvador.
you know there are very specific programs for each of the same the schools for kids then for
teenagers then for people that are going to the university so yeah i know it's a wrong wasn't
built in a in a day but yeah yeah and also you probably want to have you know first you know
a good financial understanding like what actually money is and then i don't mean like property of
money but like today's world money how it works what it does and build on on you know on these
topics rather than starting fresh explaining people what money is and how it works do you think
that's that's something that i was thinking do you think that actually in europe is more
difficult let's say difficult to understand bitcoin because somehow europe it's very spoil of
the european bitcoin uh european central bank because the sense that there's no hyperinflation
or you know there's not issues economically not yet there are but yeah exactly yeah not yet exactly
not yet i would say it's like so again certain part of europe understand bitcoin better certain
don't you know there are countries that are very traditionally socially oriented like the nordic
countries where you know for survival for for centuries they had to be more like let's bring
all of our food together to survive the winter and then you do this i do that and so it's a bit more
culturally built on socialism or like a more like community living but um there are countries that
are more similar and mature markets like england uh you know and i'm talking about europe like
continent but european union there are countries that are still developing countries after the
communism they're still still building what they need to be building there are countries that were
the superpowers centuries ago like spain and they're not anymore so it's very difficult to say
like if if europe is uh as a as a as a continent heading to some direction all collectively i think
each of the country needs to do a little bit of their work and um work on their regulations and
it's a competition like being in european uh union it's a competition ireland you know building
their own like uh hub for tech companies or uh the eastern european countries building their own
hub of different policies and not having euros and so on i think it's very very interesting very
very diverse and it's very difficult for me to say europe needs to do this and that and that
because it's gonna work for this country but not the other one so yeah yeah but i totally agree that
people need to start understanding what actually money is and that's the hard part because yeah
what actually money is what it does how we use it how the governments use it and that cbdc is not
more convenient just because somebody said so but like literally show me the convenience show me
convince me how is it going to be convenient for me not for you but for me
yeah exactly
you know
I get it
it's more convenient
for you
but
I want to see
me as a citizen
exactly
like sell me the product
and they haven't
been able to do so
I hope
I'm very hopeful
that lots of people
actually in
Europe have education
not all the education
is the same
but I would hope
some of the
people have
actually
like a good
understanding
of you know
how this works
and that they
would understand
they would have the same point of view there is no selling it to me so i'm buying with my vote and
i'm not buying this yeah absolutely yeah so hopefully we'll see how how we can replicate
this not because i was just thinking that when i was studying engineering in in university i actually
learned about bitcoin but as you said i learned in the way of blockchain so you know the way of
how to process data, but not like Bitcoin per se in the Austrian economic way.
So it's really interesting that actually, even me that I study a little bit of economics,
but also friends that have studied economics or business administration, whatever.
It's really interesting that everything that they learn is about how it works,
Keynesian economics, but not the Austrian economics.
So sometimes people don't realize that there are four types of economics,
but that we live after 1971 in the Kenzhan's economic system, right?
So it's like, wow.
Yeah, it's exactly that.
So, you know, the schooling system or the educational system in everywhere
is controlled by state, basically.
So it's very, very difficult to get a different point of views
on things that are not convenient for the faculty
or something of the state university.
So what you actually want to have is a free universities, private, that can actually build different points of views.
And then, you know, like you find your way to these universities and you realize like it opens a completely different door.
You're like, what's happening?
Like, why I wasn't learning about this in school?
I haven't, you know, realized this for that.
So that's why these institutions are very important and I want to be part of that.
I also think, you know, lots of people in Europe have like, they're falsely calm and relaxed because nothing really difficult is happening to them right now.
But the alert is coming.
I think lots of people will be realizing very soon, if they haven't in the past five years, that their quality of life is completely changing.
and that you know i mean it's probably most of the people are already realizing especially the
young generation when they cannot afford to buy a house or you know the rent is you know forever
struggle when they cannot find jobs in in spain the unemployment is crazy in the young generation
of people so i think people do start realizing i think what is very important to build also
So something that you're building, like podcasts or independent media, we call you influencers,
but I think it's more of independent educators.
But even like reports, like what's happening, I think it needs to happen outside of the
mainstream media very often, because otherwise it's not getting reported.
And this is evolving so fast, this space of free media, that it's very difficult to grasp
who to trust who not to trust so if you are building your channel your your voice in the
space it's very important for you know also the brands in the space to kind of lean on you and
make sure that the information that there's crucial for the society is devil delivered
you know and mainstream media will traditionally go for the sensation and fear rather than for you
know positive changes and you know opportunities so i would go i would say it's very important in
europe the freedom of speech and the the freedom of you know independent media independent journalists
and content creators uh to have the opportunity to make living out of it so that this is my my call
for any like bitcoin companies and and brands understand that this is very important part of
the ITAS, very important part of the
community and
support these content creators
and
independent journalists
and understand that
that actually can help
form the society that we all
want to have in the future
that understands different
aspects and can freely
discuss their ideas and discussions
how to fix it. It's not going to be a government
that is going to fix it at the end.
Actually, I also think that
we need more academic papers about Bitcoin,
you know,
like the Satoshi papers that the Bitcoin policy.
Yeah.
I have a couple of ideas in my drawer,
but I still need some time to build this.
Yeah.
We need more of that,
of those things.
Yeah.
We do.
Well,
so anybody who is interested in,
you know,
the academic,
I want to invite you to go to
the university website
I'll share a link with you
and participate
in it, you know, offer yourself
if you want to study, you know, apply
for the study, but if you want to
participate in it any other way
we are basically essentially building
an academic community around Bitcoin
and so we will be happy to get in touch
Alright, Christina I will let you go
because it's kind of late
and we have made an hour of podcasts
I work globally, so there is no bedtime for me, basically.
Yeah, I know.
I get you.
In this space, we are 24-7.
But still, we deserve to rest a little bit.
But hopefully, I will have you a second time in the podcast.
Thank you very much for being here.
Thank you so much.
Yeah.
And anything if you want to add that probably I didn't ask, now is the time.
I think I said everything.
It was quite a long conversation.
like happy to be on your on your podcast happy to share my thoughts and my experiences so thanks
for having me no thanks to you all right uh guys that will be it for today but uh see you next week
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