1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,000 they're telling us that cbdc's are more convenient they're like crypto but safer and the truth is i 2 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,720 don't see the point of convenience like what are you telling me what's going to be more convenient 3 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:37,780 for me than just taking my phone and tapping it you know to to pay for a POS so there is no more 4 00:00:37,780 --> 00:00:43,480 convenience I will have to get probably another app that's going to be my digital euro wallet or 5 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:50,020 whatever that is I will have to get a trust you know to other companies that actually created the 6 00:00:50,020 --> 00:00:54,880 wallets or that they're running them safely that there's not going to be a data breach anything 7 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:00,000 then I'm going to have to understand how it's going to interact with my actual bank account, 8 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,680 how it's going to interact with my salary or my incomes. 9 00:01:05,180 --> 00:01:08,200 So I don't see more convenience for me. 10 00:01:08,380 --> 00:01:09,700 I just don't buy it. 11 00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:29,220 hello guys welcome once again to the last episode of the year 2025 of beat corner podcast i just 12 00:01:29,220 --> 00:01:35,980 want to wish you a merry christmas and rest and spend time with your loved ones you deserve this 13 00:01:35,980 --> 00:01:43,340 This year was an amazing year in the podcast, but not just in the podcast, but for all of Bitcoiners. 14 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:52,300 We keep building and little by little, we have been showing to the world that we have an alternative to our future. 15 00:01:52,300 --> 00:02:01,940 So keep building, keep stacking, keep doing what you do, because every single thing that we do as individuals contributes to make a better world. 16 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,720 So anyways, guys, this is the last episode of the year. 17 00:02:05,980 --> 00:02:09,580 And actually, it is the episode 99 of the podcast. 18 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,320 So good way to finish the year. 19 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,740 And I'm just happy to share with all you. 20 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,900 Anyways, I don't want to extend any longer. 21 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,380 Because today we have a very exciting episode to finish the year. 22 00:02:23,380 --> 00:02:30,000 And I want to welcome Kristina Mazankova, which is the head of PR of Bitcoin Inc. 23 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:38,240 But not just that, she's also making the first Bitcoin master degree in Spain. 24 00:02:38,540 --> 00:02:40,820 So it will be a very interesting topic. 25 00:02:41,260 --> 00:02:47,120 We are going to talk about that, but also about CBDCs and Bitcoin adoption in Europe. 26 00:02:47,580 --> 00:02:53,200 So again, Merry Christmas and enjoy the episode and see you next year. 27 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,940 Well, I always like to start the podcast if you can share a little bit more about your background. 28 00:02:57,940 --> 00:03:00,980 and then we'll start, you know, the Bitcoin rabbit hole journey 29 00:03:00,980 --> 00:03:02,160 and then we go to the topic. 30 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,440 But for people that probably is seeing you for the first time, 31 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:06,840 maybe you can share a little bit about you. 32 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:13,860 Sure. I'm born and raised and I lived most of my life in Czech Republic. 33 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,040 So I'm from the breed of Czech Bitcoiners. 34 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:24,780 I started to work in PR some, you know, 15 years ago, 35 00:03:24,780 --> 00:03:28,660 specifically focusing on tech companies and tech PR. 36 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:34,180 PR is basically a very specific job 37 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:37,800 for making external communication with media, 38 00:03:38,140 --> 00:03:40,840 influencers and social media. 39 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,640 And the tech specifically for me was interesting 40 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,660 because I wanted to work in companies 41 00:03:49,660 --> 00:03:52,680 where I can communicate very directly 42 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,600 and very straightforward. 43 00:03:54,780 --> 00:03:57,520 So that was my reason of focusing on tech. 44 00:03:57,620 --> 00:04:02,600 And then I moved from agency sides to corporate sides. 45 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:12,320 I worked mostly with like middle size companies, some startups, some companies that were at the beginning of becoming corporations. 46 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:21,080 And then 19, I found this, you know, interesting position that I applied for in Satoshi Labs. 47 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:28,040 and I worked for Trezor as a PR person for two years. 48 00:04:28,740 --> 00:04:30,160 Czech company, by the way. 49 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:31,580 Yes, right. 50 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,260 It's a funny story. 51 00:04:34,420 --> 00:04:37,540 Trezor actually means safe, caja fuerte. 52 00:04:38,140 --> 00:04:41,260 So that's a Czech word and it has actually meaning. 53 00:04:41,260 --> 00:04:45,560 So it's not Trezor, it's not Trezor, it's a Trezor. 54 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:46,320 That's how it sounds. 55 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Okay, good to know. 56 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,440 Well, I learned something today. 57 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:49,240 Yeah. 58 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,280 and then from Trezor I moved to 59 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:53,280 BTC Inc 60 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,020 working mainly on the conferences 61 00:04:56,020 --> 00:04:57,420 but there are also other brands 62 00:04:57,420 --> 00:04:58,620 so you as 63 00:04:58,620 --> 00:05:01,800 contacts on my media list probably 64 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,420 receiving all sorts of 65 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:05,220 you know PRs and 66 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:07,660 press releases and information 67 00:05:07,660 --> 00:05:08,260 from me 68 00:05:08,260 --> 00:05:11,120 and I've been working 69 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,820 on the 70 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:15,660 conferences since 71 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:17,320 2022 72 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:25,880 so for some three years and yeah i started to teach at hesper this university this year i'm 73 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:32,060 teaching communications in the master in bitcoin in spanish because i live in spain and yeah we are 74 00:05:32,060 --> 00:05:39,020 kicking off the new master degree in april in english it will be online so it's you know open 75 00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:45,140 to anybody globally who is curious about bitcoin or who has some knowledge of bitcoin and just 76 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:52,300 is looking for you know joining this academic community and wants to wants to participate in 77 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:58,460 this program yeah bunch of questions about that but i'm gonna ask you in the right moment but uh 78 00:05:58,460 --> 00:06:03,740 i always ask do you remind if you had like an uh you know the how moment or you had like a process 79 00:06:03,740 --> 00:06:10,300 learning of bitcoin what gets you the most while you were learning about it well i had lots of well 80 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:15,800 just in my mind i have one specific friend that was you know talking about bitcoin constantly and 81 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:21,180 i was like yeah it sounds interesting but like lots of learning lots of like digging into 82 00:06:21,180 --> 00:06:28,480 technicalities and uh it always was interesting and i was uh i was seeing how you got you know 83 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,700 completely down the rabbit hole and was constantly talking about mining he was mining at home 84 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:36,560 and we were thinking like maybe he's a little bit crazy you know 85 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:45,740 like our bitcoiners like our bitcoiners and um then the aha moment basically i was orange 86 00:06:45,740 --> 00:06:54,400 built by the founders of uh of treasure they're just uh amazing uh amazing uh people who had you 87 00:06:54,400 --> 00:07:02,020 know the best ideas in uh in the community i was orange built by them and it kind of all 88 00:07:02,020 --> 00:07:08,300 came together for me because um when i was i was originally studying economics international 89 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:16,080 relations and journalism and i was uh participating in libertarian institute in in czech republic and 90 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:23,720 during high school and and doing summer camps and so for me i was always libertarian economically 91 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,880 I was focusing on technologies. 92 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:35,180 For me, it's easier, I would say, to understand some of the technicalities of Bitcoin. 93 00:07:35,180 --> 00:07:37,100 I'm not a technical person. 94 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:38,100 I'm not a programmer. 95 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:40,220 I'm not a cryptographer. 96 00:07:40,220 --> 00:07:50,720 My job is not to understand or detail technical parts of the Bitcoin, more like translate 97 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,900 the implication to general public. 98 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,380 That's what PR does, right? 99 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,660 So it made kind of sense. 100 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:05,580 Like my philosophical, my life philosophy and my previous knowledge and working with 101 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:12,040 the Czech companies that were trying to break through globally, it all came down to Trezor 102 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:13,680 and it was an amazing experience. 103 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:21,040 and obviously um you know the fun part of learning the community which is one of the most brutal 104 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:27,160 communities i've ever encountered i can figure about that yeah absolutely and actually yeah 105 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:32,160 talking about brutal question actually let's talk a little bit about that because from my perspective 106 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:38,340 you know europe often it's like presented itself as progressive and open and innovative which is 107 00:08:38,340 --> 00:08:44,980 kind of true in some ways but jet is despitely like hostile that's my perspective to bitcoin 108 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:51,000 so but i don't know how you see it like how is bitcoin rapid in europe media in general what can 109 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,560 you tell us about this you know working on the conferences on uh on many continents it gives you 110 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:03,040 really global perspective for bitcoin and like the use of bitcoin in different continents so i just 111 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:11,480 came back last week from uh from abu dhabi uh conference bitcoin media uh in summer we had a 112 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:18,000 conference in hong kong in november we had conference in amsterdam and uh in may in las 113 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:24,440 vegas it's completely different audience in each of these conferences different use cases for 114 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:30,400 bitcoin different motivations for bitcoin different people that are looking into get in 115 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,960 getting involved in Bitcoin. 116 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:35,780 And so this perspective is kind of interesting for me 117 00:09:35,780 --> 00:09:37,520 because coming from Europe, 118 00:09:37,660 --> 00:09:41,440 I can see how, for example, in American politics, 119 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,600 clearly you're a traditional right or left. 120 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:51,180 And that basically says whether you are pro-immigration 121 00:09:51,180 --> 00:09:54,740 or against immigration, pro-Bitcoin and cryptos 122 00:09:54,740 --> 00:09:55,960 or against it. 123 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:04,220 if you are pro green energies or against it's kind of very well formed and there's not many 124 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:10,900 in betweens um in europe i would say what's interesting is that the spectrum is much wider 125 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:19,020 politically it's more of a spectrum that like two sides and also i think the ethos around bitcoin in 126 00:10:19,020 --> 00:10:26,820 Europe is very much formed against around cyberpunks and crypto anarchists and anarchism 127 00:10:26,820 --> 00:10:32,500 is something that is traditionally left-leaning rather than right-leaning and you could you could 128 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:40,460 assume that European Bitcoiners are more likely seeking for general freedoms so and those freedoms 129 00:10:40,460 --> 00:10:48,020 are in everything whether whenever is your sexual orientation or is your religion or is your 130 00:10:48,020 --> 00:10:56,340 political inclinations it's more like you do you i do me approach and you don't mingle into my 131 00:10:56,340 --> 00:11:02,180 things and i don't i don't into yours so i think interestingly enough i would say european 132 00:11:02,180 --> 00:11:08,960 bitcoiners are more freedom spirits and more focusing on literally literally what bitcoin 133 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:14,640 should do and give you the freedom of living your life as you wish whether the governments in europe 134 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,340 even though 135 00:11:16,340 --> 00:11:18,360 portraying themselves 136 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,320 as a left 137 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,380 leaning it's 138 00:11:22,380 --> 00:11:25,320 about the massive control 139 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,000 control of everything so 140 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,100 I mean it's not surprising 141 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:31,180 coming from a communist country 142 00:11:31,180 --> 00:11:33,140 I can tell you that 143 00:11:33,140 --> 00:11:35,420 it's disguised behind 144 00:11:35,420 --> 00:11:37,600 being the morally higher 145 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,600 person when you are on the left 146 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,020 side of the spectrum 147 00:11:41,020 --> 00:11:43,360 on the other hand you need to look for 148 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:49,340 sides of manipulations and control which there are many in terms of left-leaning governments 149 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:54,920 yeah absolutely actually that's why i think like the type of the programs that or the master that 150 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:00,480 you're doing in bitcoin is so important to start teaching about that you have like another 151 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:07,380 alternative tool that doesn't control the population somehow that you have a peer-to-peer 152 00:12:07,380 --> 00:12:13,180 actually a system in order to provide an option because that's the thing i think the most powerful 153 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:17,740 thing that happened in El Salvador in the Bitcoin adoption, let's say, is that people had a choice. 154 00:12:17,740 --> 00:12:37,160 For example one of the main things that we had is that people didn have access to bank accounts because besides the story of El Salvador it was dangerous and everything the infrastructure is not quite well We are a country that is currently now building a lot and is actually developing for the first 155 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:37,440 time. 156 00:12:37,660 --> 00:12:40,060 But that's why people didn't have access to bank accounts. 157 00:12:40,060 --> 00:12:45,100 Therefore, they didn't have access to have their own savings or make transactions, whatever. 158 00:12:45,460 --> 00:12:51,460 But having the possibility to download any wallet and start using Bitcoin, that made 159 00:12:51,460 --> 00:12:56,360 and powerful in the sense that they have a choice in order to have start having savings or do their 160 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:02,320 own businesses or transaction without depending of a third party right i think that that's one of the 161 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:08,220 things that are more powerful but also yeah go ahead i just wanted to say that interesting is 162 00:13:08,220 --> 00:13:14,820 like i work with many people that uh for example focus on africa and they say you know when you 163 00:13:14,820 --> 00:13:22,040 actually don't have an access to financial system you are excluded and you uh are you know maybe in 164 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:28,100 a country where the government is uh corrupt beyond any means and basically the inflation is 165 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:34,660 skyrocketing for decades you like if you tell these people about bitcoin they're like immediately 166 00:13:34,660 --> 00:13:41,500 getting it they're like immediately understanding okay they don't need the technical details or all 167 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:48,100 convincing that we are not killing the planet or other reasons because it actually solves the real 168 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:54,520 very real daily problem for them and i think a little bit similar lots of people ask me being 169 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:59,100 for czech republic why there's so many companies in czech republic where there's such a community 170 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:05,780 around bitcoin of builders in czech republic and one of the reasons i think is that you know we've 171 00:14:05,780 --> 00:14:12,980 been through occupation basically by the uh by russia we were under very strict you know 172 00:14:12,980 --> 00:14:20,700 socialist regime even before before that uh we had you know germany coming in and taking 173 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:27,380 the land and the properties and and controlling everything like we wouldn't we were not able to 174 00:14:27,380 --> 00:14:34,120 use czech language we were czech books were burned the culture was uh very much wiped out 175 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:40,720 So what we learned as a nation in Czech Republic is anything can be taken away from you. 176 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,940 And we learned to duck and survive. 177 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,860 And I think that the use case for Bitcoin very often in Czech Republic is 178 00:14:47,860 --> 00:14:54,940 wherever comes another army, another nation that wants to just occupy our land 179 00:14:54,940 --> 00:15:00,480 and take anything that we have or a regime that just basically takes your property 180 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,100 and says, no, it's going to be property of everybody. 181 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:09,840 this is a property that you cannot take yeah so that's very powerful for a nation like checks that 182 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:16,000 you know being robbed of their generational wealth over and over yeah do you think that 183 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:21,540 i was just thinking like do you think that bitcoin let's say for policymakers let's say in europe 184 00:15:21,540 --> 00:15:26,780 because we're talking about euros is more dangerous than because of actually what bitcoin is of what 185 00:15:26,780 --> 00:15:32,960 because what actually reveals because once you learn what it's you know like let's say uh 186 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,480 Austrian economics and everything that 187 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,120 the core values of Bitcoin 188 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,240 involves. It's like, for us 189 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,360 that are Bitcoiners, there's no going back, right? 190 00:15:41,420 --> 00:15:43,460 Because we're in a rabbit hole that opens 191 00:15:43,460 --> 00:15:45,080 thousands of rabbit holes. 192 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,340 Obviously, governments want to 193 00:15:47,340 --> 00:15:49,080 control their money. That's 194 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,280 their main means of control. 195 00:15:51,660 --> 00:15:53,320 Like taxation, like 196 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,340 printing money, all 197 00:15:55,340 --> 00:15:56,300 around that. So 198 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:58,980 from that point of view, it 199 00:15:58,980 --> 00:16:01,480 presents a threat 200 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,540 to them because they feel like they don't have a control over bitcoin or that if they if they 201 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:13,140 regulate it more and more they will gain the control over bitcoin the truth is and it's 202 00:16:13,140 --> 00:16:18,160 interesting to see that once the politicians realize that people actually vote with their 203 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:23,980 wallets and bitcoin is what they want they can actually gain and instead of making it threat 204 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:31,320 they can make it their power i i don't think there is a very effective future without governments 205 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:38,560 I just hope that the future is more free and more fair to every person and their freedom. 206 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:49,280 So I would say what we need to demonstrate is that overtaxing or overregulating Bitcoin is going to drive people away. 207 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:55,240 The same way as, you know, if you tax wealthy individuals, they will just go away from the country. 208 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:01,200 and with them they will take the jobs and they will take the uh uh their you know annual tax 209 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,040 contributions so i think just government need to realize this is just another asset that people 210 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:13,640 want to use freely and uh you know make conditions and you know fair conditions on the market for 211 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:20,340 everybody to use yeah actually when you design like a bitcoin master program that that's what 212 00:17:20,340 --> 00:17:25,600 did where do you even start because it's so complex and uh we all come from different rabbit 213 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:31,620 for different uh context let's say so where do you even start in the case of the one that you're 214 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:38,900 starting to do you know the the ambition of the master degree is not for you to get like you know 215 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:45,780 read all the books that been written about bitcoin and get like exact formation or like 216 00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:47,620 you know, knowledge of the Bitcoin. 217 00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:52,340 It's more of being participating in academic space 218 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:55,540 where you can actually discuss your ideas 219 00:17:55,540 --> 00:17:58,980 or your different experiences or your different values. 220 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,080 And it's inviting people to do it under, you know, 221 00:18:03,220 --> 00:18:08,320 open, free, private university instead of on X or YouTube. 222 00:18:08,660 --> 00:18:11,100 So it should be creating a framework 223 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:14,940 where people actually engage on this topic scientifically 224 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:18,000 or at least in the academic space. 225 00:18:18,220 --> 00:18:19,560 How do you avoid like, you know, 226 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,140 ideology is like price obsession 227 00:18:22,140 --> 00:18:24,400 because most people enter because of the price 228 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,260 or even crypto. 229 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,760 So this degree is about Bitcoin only. 230 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,720 I often say I don't understand crypto. 231 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,600 I don't study it. 232 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:35,660 I don't know about it. 233 00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:38,100 So maybe there are other use cases 234 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:41,300 for different coins or different projects. 235 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,520 For me, I focus on Bitcoin. 236 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:50,080 this degree is focusing on bitcoin we we will probably touch some of the topics like what's 237 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,440 the difference between like what's differentiating bitcoin from the rest of the cryptocurrencies um 238 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:02,640 we will probably touch topics like stable coins and other stuff but it's focusing mainly on bitcoin 239 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:10,080 so we'll be discussing economics philosophy legal frameworks uh you know accounting financial 240 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:16,400 investing, node running, mining, open source projects, communications, marketing, and all 241 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:23,360 of the aspects. The idea is for people that are interested in this space, they can get a peek 242 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:31,680 into each of these topics and maybe, you know, start building their own projects or start working 243 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:38,360 for a company that needs, you know, professionals with a Bitcoin knowledge. There's lots of companies, 244 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:43,740 non-endemic companies that are now you know starting to realize oh maybe we should do something 245 00:19:43,740 --> 00:19:49,120 about bitcoin or maybe bitcoin could be beneficial for us and so they need people that are still 246 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:54,600 professionals in different subjects like accountants like marketing people like different 247 00:19:54,600 --> 00:20:00,780 project managers but they actually understand bitcoin so this is also like a great spot where 248 00:20:00,780 --> 00:20:05,400 to start if you start if you if you're a professional you're looking into start working 249 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,740 in the industry to get like real understanding of Bitcoin. 250 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:15,080 And then obviously there's an opportunity for people to become a part of the community 251 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:22,660 around this university and look for maybe more academical depth to these topics. 252 00:20:22,660 --> 00:20:28,040 Do you think that it's actually like an opportunity to work in this space first in Europe and 253 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,240 then in Spain? 254 00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:34,320 Because again, as I told you, my perspective here is that there's a lot of anti-Bitcoin 255 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,300 here in Spain. 256 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:44,040 And in Europe it's kind of, I just said, like a mix, depending where they are, for example, Portugal, they are super pro Bitcoin, also Amsterdam and some others, right? So it depends. 257 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:54,440 When you leave your digital assets in an exchange or in custody of someone else, you expose 258 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,500 a risk of non-desemed terceros. A difference of the traditional banking system, Bitcoin 259 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:04,600 allows you to control your total funds using your private private private funds. 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Head to boldbitcoin.com, 280 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:15,180 use the code BITCORNERPODCAST and start stacking sats in the right way or send money home cheap 281 00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:22,200 and fast. Bold Bitcoin, earn your money, destroy fiat. You know, in Amsterdam, I was in a panel on 282 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:28,400 how to find a job in Bitcoin. I'm not an HR, so I don't hire people very regularly, but I can see 283 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:34,740 from, you know, my colleagues and people around me, there's so many open jobs for, you know, 284 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:41,400 Bitcoin jobs. Like you can go to BitVocation, you know, and look for a job in basically any field. 285 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:48,960 It's not just technical fields. So I would say it's growing constantly and the future looks like 286 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,760 is going to be growing even more. 287 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,340 There are new and new projects 288 00:23:52,340 --> 00:23:54,500 that are built on Bitcoin. 289 00:23:54,980 --> 00:23:56,040 There are new companies. 290 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,920 The companies that are, you know, 291 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,800 OGs in the space are growing. 292 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,940 So there's definitely lots of job opportunities. 293 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,160 Now, if you ask me in Europe specifically, 294 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,880 I would say a Bitcoin industry is very global. 295 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,960 Lots of the companies are actually 296 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,120 looking for remote workers 297 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,720 because they need to cover, you know, 298 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:26,320 the whole globe so i would say in europe is the same as anywhere else probably when it comes to 299 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,760 regulations you know if you if you have an employer uh or you are freelancing for somebody 300 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:38,500 you know there's there's that you have a contract and you you just basically do work for a company 301 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:45,640 from somewhere else so i would say it's not that difficult yeah okay and uh another thing that i 302 00:24:45,640 --> 00:25:01,540 want to ask is like if you showcase things like well the case of El Salvador that we had Bitcoin we adopted Bitcoin as a legal tender not anymore but still using it or Bitcoin in Africa I don know 303 00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:04,240 I'm just curious about the topics that you discussed over there. 304 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,240 You know, the degree is very practical. 305 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:15,600 So we have, you know, professors or like teachers from all walks of life 306 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,900 and they're from the industry. 307 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:28,220 That's also a reason why we do this in a private university as the university degree instead of like state degree. 308 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:37,660 I don't want to get into the details, but that basically allows us to have professors from the practical life and not formed in traditional universities. 309 00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:44,180 for industry like Bitcoin, it's very important because there's not so many academic workers 310 00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:50,220 that actually can teach how to run a note or what's Bitcoin mining in practice. 311 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:56,940 Some of the experts work globally or they have different specific experiences, but most 312 00:25:56,940 --> 00:26:03,780 of them can speak to subject matter in different countries, continents, and definitely it's 313 00:26:03,780 --> 00:26:11,760 very practically focused apart from more theoretically focused subjects like economics 314 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:18,540 or philosophy or geopolitics for example okay get it uh christina we're in the middle of the podcast 315 00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:23,400 actually a little bit more of the middle and as the audience knows in the middle of the podcast 316 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,860 we have this game that i told you and the audience knows that my previous guest had a question for my 317 00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:31,960 next guest so these questions it doesn't come from me come from my previous guest 318 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:38,420 and uh and you will have the chance also to make uh the question for my next guest that 319 00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:43,360 we don't say who it is they will discover in the next episode let's see is it going to be in 320 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:48,940 spanish the the question yes it's going to be okay let's test my spanish all right let's go 321 00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:54,240 so my previous guest uh guys as i told you at the beginning of the podcast was napoleon osorio 322 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,340 better knowing El Salvador as beat driver 323 00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:58,540 so he has a question for 324 00:26:58,540 --> 00:27:00,420 Stine. Europa está 325 00:27:00,420 --> 00:27:01,620 a punto de 326 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,220 según la percepción o según lo que uno 327 00:27:04,220 --> 00:27:06,280 escucha, está a punto de caer 328 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,440 en algo que es un experimento 329 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,720 mundial, no quiero 330 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,220 ahondar tanto 331 00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:12,520 en qué 332 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,460 qué oportunidad tiene 333 00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:17,780 España 334 00:27:17,780 --> 00:27:20,200 en específico 335 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,880 o cualquier otro lugar de Europa 336 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,440 para 337 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,060 poder salir 338 00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:27,600 del hoyo 339 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,140 al que se está aproximando 340 00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:31,200 ¿qué se puede hacer? 341 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,480 ¿qué tendría que hacer 342 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,440 para no caer 343 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,300 en esa manipulación 344 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:38,880 total a la que se está encontrando? 345 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:39,480 esa 346 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,160 for my understanding 347 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,580 probably he's talking about 348 00:27:42,580 --> 00:27:43,800 CBDCs 349 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,520 kind of related 350 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,920 but I don't know 351 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,820 so yeah 352 00:27:48,820 --> 00:27:49,980 that's what I understood 353 00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:51,000 ok 354 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,620 ok 355 00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:52,120 look 356 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:57,020 I am a person that is strongly believing 357 00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:59,980 of not making threats in communications. 358 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,080 As a tactic, I think fear is a strong emotion, 359 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,360 but it's not the long-lasting one. 360 00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:09,540 So if you're trying to sell something 361 00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:11,180 or communicate something, 362 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,500 I think fear is easier at the first, 363 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,140 but it's long-term, not a great strategy. 364 00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:21,120 So I would say... 365 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:29,100 I have a big hopes that in Europe, we went through such transformative times. 366 00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:35,540 And we have a history of, you know, in Czech Republic, throwing the governments out of the window of the parliament. 367 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:44,600 You know, France goes into strikes every couple of weeks and they, you know, invented guillotines and so on and so on. 368 00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:51,540 So we do have a history of actually people, when they say enough, taking control into their hands. 369 00:28:51,540 --> 00:28:54,260 And I would say we don't need to be aggressive. 370 00:28:54,500 --> 00:29:00,100 We don't need to be violent, but we need to put our foot down and say, we don't want more control. 371 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:10,100 We don't want to hand over control over all of our aspects of our lives to, you know, unelected officials and in the Central European Bank or any other bank. 372 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:18,260 So CBDCs for me, and that's what I've been communicating clearly, is a product that is 373 00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:24,260 artificially created on trying to solve something that doesn't need to be solved. 374 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,500 They're telling us that CBDCs are more convenient. 375 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:30,260 They're like crypto, but safer. 376 00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:34,820 And the truth is, I don't see the point of convenience. 377 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,380 Like, what are you telling me? 378 00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:43,460 What's going to be more convenient for me than just taking my phone and tapping it, you know, to pay for a POS? 379 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,440 So there is no more convenience. 380 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:51,540 I will have to get probably another app that's going to be my digital euro wallet or whatever that is. 381 00:29:51,780 --> 00:30:02,200 I will have to get a trust, you know, to other companies that actually created the wallets or that they're running them safely, that there is not going to be a data breach or anything. 382 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,200 then I'm going to have to understand how it's going to interact with my actual bank account, 383 00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:15,700 how it's going to interact with my salary or my, you know, incomes. So I don't see more convenience 384 00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:21,440 for me. I just don't buy it. And I think lots of Europeans don't buy it. They just don't understand 385 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,020 why they should all of a sudden get this. So they will have to come up with a new set of talking 386 00:30:26,020 --> 00:30:31,640 points to try to sell us on it. And they're running off options, like what they're going to 387 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:37,520 sell you so we're gonna see how much you earn immediately we're gonna be able to you know 388 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:44,120 expire the money so you cannot save we'll be capable of extracting the taxes directly from 389 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:50,140 your wallet we'll be able to not give you the benefit of doubt we'll be able to control how 390 00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:58,720 much of what you buy and when so you know extreme extreme examples like you have the option now to 391 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,400 pay for your CO2 consumption when you fly somewhere. So that's, that's amazing to me. 392 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:10,060 So now I'm going to buy a flight ticket with my digital euro and it's going to tell me, 393 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:16,160 well, Christina, you flew already four times this year, unless you have a very specific and 394 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:22,960 important reason, you cannot go on a plane anymore. So that's the extreme examples that I 395 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:29,840 am not willing to just overlook and i think a lot of people see it naturally like homo economicus 396 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,320 really exists in every of us you don't need an economical degree to understand how it's going to 397 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:43,780 affect you so i have a really big hope in you know the more the european cbdc is being pushed to us 398 00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:48,080 the more pushback there is going to be because people just don't see the convenience that they 399 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,820 are trying to sell us there is no convenience like what is going actually no sorry that the 400 00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:56,840 convenient is actually the most powerful narrative like a weapon of control for the people right 401 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,580 it seems like i think that the convenience is a you know beautiful wrapping paper that is around 402 00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:09,100 disguising what is inside of the package um and it's very difficult to sell nowadays a product 403 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:16,280 that actually does something so if you are trying to sell a product that doesn't do anything for you 404 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,100 it's going to be very difficult by selling i understand that they can push it on us but they 405 00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:26,700 also need some political power um and they're not in the situation right now in europe where they 406 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:32,840 would have lots of people you know satisfied and clapping for them so that i'm more positive yeah 407 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:38,320 but what what do you think actually that it could be the solution here and in europe because you 408 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,560 know sabador again we've made bitcoin legal tender we made a transaction in the u.s they actually use 409 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:50,400 it in companies are usually in treasury but also in the government so what do you think that it will 410 00:32:50,400 --> 00:33:03,140 actually be the best solution here in europe europe is more diverse than u.s uh and than africa or 411 00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:09,620 latin america maybe not that much um europe i think in each country is a little bit different 412 00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:12,260 and people just need to understand 413 00:33:12,260 --> 00:33:16,980 that they need to fight for their freedom every day. 414 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,120 It's not just like, 415 00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:19,420 now we don't have a war, 416 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:20,560 so we don't need to fight. 417 00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:21,820 And fight with your votes. 418 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,980 Fight with your votes 419 00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:26,840 and make sure that you are not participating 420 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,620 in something that is stripping away your freedoms. 421 00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:32,520 It's sometimes difficult to find somebody to vote for, 422 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,700 but not voting is also a vote. 423 00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:37,380 Yeah, I was just thinking about this 424 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:39,220 because I saw a tweet 425 00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:41,180 when you guys see it, probably 426 00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:43,340 it has been one or two weeks, but 427 00:33:43,340 --> 00:33:44,700 I think it was this week, 428 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,980 yesterday or so, that Elon 429 00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:49,640 well, Elon likes to, he's a showman 430 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,320 but sometimes he says something 431 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,280 that actually makes sense, at least for me 432 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,200 in this case, that says that European 433 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,560 Union should be 434 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,080 dissolved or something like that. 435 00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:01,300 And I get why he's saying it, 436 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,280 but actually, if I'm thinking about it, it will 437 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,360 make sense if you want to put it on 438 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,100 Bitcoin way, because I think, as you said, 439 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,880 every European company has their own context. 440 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,460 And one thing that I learned studying engineering 441 00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:15,220 is that I needed to learn a lot about regulations. 442 00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:18,000 And I felt like a policymaker sometimes, 443 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:18,980 like a lawyer, you know, 444 00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:22,300 because you need to learn like the laws or regulation of Europe, 445 00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:25,800 but then of Spain, but then of Catalonia, 446 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,640 and then the city that lives. 447 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,220 It's very complex in the sense that 448 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:35,500 I feel that not every European country, 449 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:38,460 it's even economically, 450 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,880 socioeconomically speaking, right? 451 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,980 So it's very complex in that way. 452 00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:45,100 You know, the unity of Europe 453 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,380 is very young, I would say. 454 00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:48,340 European Union, 455 00:34:48,660 --> 00:34:51,300 with the long history of Europe, 456 00:34:51,660 --> 00:34:52,920 it's relatively young. 457 00:34:53,180 --> 00:34:56,980 So I'm not a big fan 458 00:34:56,980 --> 00:34:59,020 of centralized systems 459 00:34:59,020 --> 00:34:59,920 and I'm not happy 460 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,460 with how Europe works. 461 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,920 But on the other hand, 462 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:10,440 facing the competition from US and from China and from Russia 463 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,740 and from all of these big, gigantic countries. 464 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,920 For Europe it's beneficial to be united. 465 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,900 And so I would like to see some form of unity. 466 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:26,100 And ideally that unity wouldn't be based on control 467 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,780 and centralization of decisions. 468 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:36,820 it would be more cultural unity and monetary unity is probably not working right now for many 469 00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:44,580 many of the countries so czech republic actually hasn't accepted euro yet and um it's it's 470 00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:49,860 interesting like maybe if they start you know instead of euro using bitcoin that would help 471 00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:57,680 yeah absolutely it will actually help yeah so let's let's uh let's uh actually like uh 472 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,960 be more optimist even though i have to be laughing about even saying that out loud but 473 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,920 yeah that would be that would be a great solution yeah and again it's so complex because even i 474 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:14,160 remind when i started the podcast uh it's not the way that i see bitcoin is not the way that i saw 475 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,760 it like two years ago and of course this is because of the guests that i had and the research 476 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:25,340 and the experience right in the end i pivot now i see it more like when i teach my colleagues and 477 00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:32,020 and friends or friends of friends about bitcoin i teach them more like a electronic cash system you 478 00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:37,800 know not like the coin it's more like uh no listen this is a system where we use it and it happens 479 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:44,740 that we have a uh monetary well i don't like to say coins but the bitcoin that is actually work 480 00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:52,040 on this system that's why uh we use it uh so yeah and then happens a lot of rabbit holes i don't know 481 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,440 At least in El Salvador, a lot of people have a perspective that it fails. 482 00:36:56,580 --> 00:36:59,280 I don't think that it fails because in the end we're still using it. 483 00:36:59,540 --> 00:37:04,320 And that's why this podcast exists and a lot of Bitcoin efforts out there, 484 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,140 like Mi Primero Bitcoin, you know, and No Nation and Google Plus, 485 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,300 and I can mention all of them. 486 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,200 But in the end, again, what I think is the most powerful thing 487 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,920 that Bitcoin gave to my country is just to have a choice. 488 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:31,440 And thank God that Bukele because Bukele could easily have done his own coin or CBTC you know but he opted for Bitcoin So think uh that a good choice not just for us but to anyone that want to improve their lives and i hope that europe 489 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:38,420 as the way that us is seeing it that the country it's going forward because of this and another 490 00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:43,680 external factors that they can recalplicate that that's that's why i was so interested in this 491 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,620 uh program that you're doing because i was like wow in europe that it's so complicated and 492 00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:54,820 regulation is good that you're first having a bitcoin program and start teaching to other people 493 00:37:54,820 --> 00:38:00,680 about this so i don't know yeah i think i i was actually surprised that there is no other like 494 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:07,180 bitcoin specific degree in any university in the world like there's lots of blockchains and lots of 495 00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:15,460 web threes and lots of crypto and uh maybe not even that like mostly it's like a blockchain or 496 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:21,720 disguised something something like that but i was surprised there is not one that would be 497 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:28,300 specifically focused on bitcoin kind of makes sense it's a niche and it's probably uh very 498 00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:37,180 complicated to you know get grants from centralized ministries or whatever education probably in most 499 00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:44,460 cases so i think it's it's actually quite difficult to uh to have a bitcoin focused 500 00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:49,460 degree and then if you are uh if you're launching that you definitely need to be 501 00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:55,680 like um bitcoiner and and no other bitcoiners because you need to know like what actually who 502 00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:03,640 actually people are in the space and uh who they what what their experiences can bring to the tables 503 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:11,360 Yeah, well, and actually that hopefully it can replicate because it will be amazing to see these programs replicated. 504 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:12,860 Yeah, absolutely. 505 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:21,540 And like inter-universitary corporations and research groups and everything around that would be amazing. 506 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,360 But let's take it, you know, steady. 507 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,240 Yeah, one step at a time. 508 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,460 I know. 509 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,760 I know that's actually what they're doing in El Salvador. 510 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:37,520 you know there are very specific programs for each of the same the schools for kids then for 511 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:43,280 teenagers then for people that are going to the university so yeah i know it's a wrong wasn't 512 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:50,060 built in a in a day but yeah yeah and also you probably want to have you know first you know 513 00:39:50,060 --> 00:39:57,400 a good financial understanding like what actually money is and then i don't mean like property of 514 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:03,820 money but like today's world money how it works what it does and build on on you know on these 515 00:40:03,820 --> 00:40:08,960 topics rather than starting fresh explaining people what money is and how it works do you think 516 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,040 that's that's something that i was thinking do you think that actually in europe is more 517 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:19,060 difficult let's say difficult to understand bitcoin because somehow europe it's very spoil of 518 00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:25,740 the european bitcoin uh european central bank because the sense that there's no hyperinflation 519 00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:32,280 or you know there's not issues economically not yet there are but yeah exactly yeah not yet exactly 520 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:41,100 not yet i would say it's like so again certain part of europe understand bitcoin better certain 521 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:47,320 don't you know there are countries that are very traditionally socially oriented like the nordic 522 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:54,540 countries where you know for survival for for centuries they had to be more like let's bring 523 00:40:54,540 --> 00:41:00,540 all of our food together to survive the winter and then you do this i do that and so it's a bit more 524 00:41:00,540 --> 00:41:09,020 culturally built on socialism or like a more like community living but um there are countries that 525 00:41:09,020 --> 00:41:16,460 are more similar and mature markets like england uh you know and i'm talking about europe like 526 00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:22,220 continent but european union there are countries that are still developing countries after the 527 00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:27,200 communism they're still still building what they need to be building there are countries that were 528 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:34,020 the superpowers centuries ago like spain and they're not anymore so it's very difficult to say 529 00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:42,820 like if if europe is uh as a as a as a continent heading to some direction all collectively i think 530 00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:50,120 each of the country needs to do a little bit of their work and um work on their regulations and 531 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,920 it's a competition like being in european uh union it's a competition ireland you know building 532 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:04,220 their own like uh hub for tech companies or uh the eastern european countries building their own 533 00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:11,940 hub of different policies and not having euros and so on i think it's very very interesting very 534 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:17,100 very diverse and it's very difficult for me to say europe needs to do this and that and that 535 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:23,700 because it's gonna work for this country but not the other one so yeah yeah but i totally agree that 536 00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:28,600 people need to start understanding what actually money is and that's the hard part because yeah 537 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:35,380 what actually money is what it does how we use it how the governments use it and that cbdc is not 538 00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:42,220 more convenient just because somebody said so but like literally show me the convenience show me 539 00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:46,560 convince me how is it going to be convenient for me not for you but for me 540 00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:48,160 yeah exactly 541 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:48,920 you know 542 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,020 I get it 543 00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:50,480 I get it 544 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,360 it's more convenient 545 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,160 for you 546 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,260 but 547 00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:54,820 I want to see 548 00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:55,780 me as a citizen 549 00:42:55,780 --> 00:42:56,960 exactly 550 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,100 like sell me the product 551 00:42:58,100 --> 00:42:59,280 and they haven't 552 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,160 been able to do so 553 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:00,760 I hope 554 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,460 I'm very hopeful 555 00:43:01,460 --> 00:43:02,520 that lots of people 556 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:03,420 actually in 557 00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:05,320 Europe have education 558 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,520 not all the education 559 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,040 is the same 560 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,020 but I would hope 561 00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:09,080 some of the 562 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,140 people have 563 00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:10,780 actually 564 00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:11,500 like a good 565 00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:12,120 understanding 566 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,380 of you know 567 00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:14,880 how this works 568 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,180 and that they 569 00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:16,880 would understand 570 00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:23,620 they would have the same point of view there is no selling it to me so i'm buying with my vote and 571 00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:28,840 i'm not buying this yeah absolutely yeah so hopefully we'll see how how we can replicate 572 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,940 this not because i was just thinking that when i was studying engineering in in university i actually 573 00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:39,920 learned about bitcoin but as you said i learned in the way of blockchain so you know the way of 574 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:46,140 how to process data, but not like Bitcoin per se in the Austrian economic way. 575 00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:52,680 So it's really interesting that actually, even me that I study a little bit of economics, 576 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,500 but also friends that have studied economics or business administration, whatever. 577 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,980 It's really interesting that everything that they learn is about how it works, 578 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,640 Keynesian economics, but not the Austrian economics. 579 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,200 So sometimes people don't realize that there are four types of economics, 580 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,740 but that we live after 1971 in the Kenzhan's economic system, right? 581 00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:15,560 So it's like, wow. 582 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,780 Yeah, it's exactly that. 583 00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:23,900 So, you know, the schooling system or the educational system in everywhere 584 00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:25,760 is controlled by state, basically. 585 00:44:26,260 --> 00:44:30,760 So it's very, very difficult to get a different point of views 586 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,680 on things that are not convenient for the faculty 587 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,800 or something of the state university. 588 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:44,320 So what you actually want to have is a free universities, private, that can actually build different points of views. 589 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:50,840 And then, you know, like you find your way to these universities and you realize like it opens a completely different door. 590 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,420 You're like, what's happening? 591 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,000 Like, why I wasn't learning about this in school? 592 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,620 I haven't, you know, realized this for that. 593 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,240 So that's why these institutions are very important and I want to be part of that. 594 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:16,120 I also think, you know, lots of people in Europe have like, they're falsely calm and relaxed because nothing really difficult is happening to them right now. 595 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,000 But the alert is coming. 596 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:28,380 I think lots of people will be realizing very soon, if they haven't in the past five years, that their quality of life is completely changing. 597 00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:34,680 and that you know i mean it's probably most of the people are already realizing especially the 598 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:40,640 young generation when they cannot afford to buy a house or you know the rent is you know forever 599 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:47,400 struggle when they cannot find jobs in in spain the unemployment is crazy in the young generation 600 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:55,100 of people so i think people do start realizing i think what is very important to build also 601 00:45:55,100 --> 00:46:00,620 So something that you're building, like podcasts or independent media, we call you influencers, 602 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,060 but I think it's more of independent educators. 603 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:11,220 But even like reports, like what's happening, I think it needs to happen outside of the 604 00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:15,360 mainstream media very often, because otherwise it's not getting reported. 605 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:24,700 And this is evolving so fast, this space of free media, that it's very difficult to grasp 606 00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:30,340 who to trust who not to trust so if you are building your channel your your voice in the 607 00:46:30,340 --> 00:46:36,160 space it's very important for you know also the brands in the space to kind of lean on you and 608 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:42,160 make sure that the information that there's crucial for the society is devil delivered 609 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:48,980 you know and mainstream media will traditionally go for the sensation and fear rather than for you 610 00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:55,760 know positive changes and you know opportunities so i would go i would say it's very important in 611 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:02,520 europe the freedom of speech and the the freedom of you know independent media independent journalists 612 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:09,540 and content creators uh to have the opportunity to make living out of it so that this is my my call 613 00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:17,300 for any like bitcoin companies and and brands understand that this is very important part of 614 00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:19,060 the ITAS, very important part of the 615 00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:21,400 community and 616 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,380 support these content creators 617 00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:25,720 and 618 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,420 independent journalists 619 00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:29,080 and understand that 620 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,600 that actually can help 621 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,440 form the society that we all 622 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,820 want to have in the future 623 00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:37,180 that understands different 624 00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:39,380 aspects and can freely 625 00:47:39,380 --> 00:47:41,180 discuss their ideas and discussions 626 00:47:41,180 --> 00:47:43,300 how to fix it. It's not going to be a government 627 00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:44,760 that is going to fix it at the end. 628 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,240 Actually, I also think that 629 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:51,580 we need more academic papers about Bitcoin, 630 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,000 you know, 631 00:47:52,060 --> 00:47:54,620 like the Satoshi papers that the Bitcoin policy. 632 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:56,640 Yeah. 633 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,900 I have a couple of ideas in my drawer, 634 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,400 but I still need some time to build this. 635 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:04,720 Yeah. 636 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,440 Yeah. 637 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,300 We need more of that, 638 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,360 of those things. 639 00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:07,600 Yeah. 640 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:07,980 We do. 641 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:08,520 We do. 642 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:09,920 Well, 643 00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:12,460 so anybody who is interested in, 644 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:13,000 you know, 645 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,760 the academic, 646 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,860 I want to invite you to go to 647 00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,440 the university website 648 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,980 I'll share a link with you 649 00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:22,380 and participate 650 00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:24,420 in it, you know, offer yourself 651 00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:26,460 if you want to study, you know, apply 652 00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:28,340 for the study, but if you want to 653 00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:29,980 participate in it any other way 654 00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:32,040 we are basically essentially building 655 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,100 an academic community around Bitcoin 656 00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:36,780 and so we will be happy to get in touch 657 00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:38,560 Alright, Christina I will let you go 658 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,560 because it's kind of late 659 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,440 and we have made an hour of podcasts 660 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,640 I work globally, so there is no bedtime for me, basically. 661 00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:46,380 Yeah, I know. 662 00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:46,860 I get you. 663 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,340 In this space, we are 24-7. 664 00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:52,240 But still, we deserve to rest a little bit. 665 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,220 But hopefully, I will have you a second time in the podcast. 666 00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:58,200 Thank you very much for being here. 667 00:48:58,220 --> 00:48:58,780 Thank you so much. 668 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:00,120 Yeah. 669 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:04,600 And anything if you want to add that probably I didn't ask, now is the time. 670 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,180 I think I said everything. 671 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:08,600 It was quite a long conversation. 672 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:16,100 like happy to be on your on your podcast happy to share my thoughts and my experiences so thanks 673 00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:24,260 for having me no thanks to you all right uh guys that will be it for today but uh see you next week 674 00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:29,620 so if you like it you know what to do share it subscribe to the channel that helps a lot always 675 00:49:29,620 --> 00:49:36,280 and again as usual since we started season five this will be premiere on austin so see you in 676 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:36,880 start first.