1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,840 This is not something that you probably expected to hear, but hear me out. 2 00:00:04,300 --> 00:00:11,520 If you spend a year, year and a half, waiting for an opportunity in a Bitcoin space, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,860 junior enough for a specific person and skills that they have, 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,220 you are missing out on actually gaining a year and a half experience. 5 00:00:21,460 --> 00:00:22,280 Yes, yeah, sure. 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,280 But it's a year and a half of experience. 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:30,340 And that is the experience you're bringing in will increase your chances of actually landing a Bitcoin job. 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:50,500 So I always say that, like, don't push and don't force getting into the space, but rather make sure that you are connected, that you are networking, that you're developing your skill set towards a certain or like a position that you would like to obtain one day in Bitcoin. 9 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:03,900 Hello, guys. Welcome once again to Bitcoin, our podcast. 10 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,340 I hope that you have enjoyed last episode. 11 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,060 I know it was very technical, but sometimes we need to do those things. 12 00:01:11,060 --> 00:01:14,440 Today, we're going to talk about something more grassroots. 13 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,400 And one of the main core topics, it's about Bitcoin jobs. 14 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:35,680 So if, for example, in my country, El Salvador, that we know that Gen Z fund wars are in high school or in the public school, even the grassroots, the grassroots efforts are starting to learn about Bitcoin, student Bitcoin, the technical part, the monetary part, everything. 15 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:41,460 So probably they will say, is that a career on Bitcoin is actually you can you can earn do a life on Bitcoin. 16 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,620 So that's one of the questions that we are going to answer today. 17 00:01:45,620 --> 00:01:47,560 What is required to work on Bitcoin? 18 00:01:48,260 --> 00:01:50,740 So yeah, I don't want to extend any further. 19 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,540 I want to welcome to Thunder. 20 00:01:53,940 --> 00:01:54,520 So hi. 21 00:01:54,660 --> 00:01:54,880 Welcome. 22 00:01:55,220 --> 00:01:55,620 Yeah. 23 00:01:55,740 --> 00:01:56,080 Hi. 24 00:01:56,220 --> 00:01:57,420 Thank you so much for having me. 25 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,180 Yes, I go by Thunder. 26 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,360 I'm head of Talented Strike. 27 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,400 It's been quite a few years for me in a Bitcoin space. 28 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,000 And I do get a lot of questions on Thunder, like why? 29 00:02:08,580 --> 00:02:13,920 And sometimes Bitcoiners would ask me if that's a privacy concern, like I'm hiding my real name. 30 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:15,080 I do not. 31 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,880 I just have a very, very typical Slavic name that nobody can pronounce outside of my speaking zone. 32 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:24,380 So yeah, it's not a privacy concern. 33 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,120 It's a pronunciation concern. 34 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:28,120 So yeah, I go by Thunder. 35 00:02:28,780 --> 00:02:32,540 Yeah, because I saw your last name and I think it's even difficult. 36 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,000 I have two. 37 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:34,920 No, I have two. 38 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,560 So my first name is Slájana. 39 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,840 And then I have two last names. 40 00:02:38,980 --> 00:02:41,060 It's Mati, Tríz, which both are last names. 41 00:02:41,060 --> 00:02:48,140 So people are sometimes, you know, especially if I'm video chatting with someone and, you know, people would see like the full name here. 42 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:51,400 They just start tripping because they can't say that. 43 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,140 It's never fun to traumatize people. 44 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:53,980 Yeah, I guess. 45 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:55,480 Oh, but it's good to know. 46 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,500 I didn't know about that. 47 00:02:56,740 --> 00:02:58,180 Well, it's good that you pick a nickname. 48 00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:58,800 Yes. 49 00:02:59,160 --> 00:02:59,440 Yeah. 50 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:01,480 So, yeah, I'm head of Talented Strike. 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,140 I am Bitcoin only recruiter. 52 00:03:03,820 --> 00:03:08,020 I've been in startups for around a decade doing this job. 53 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:15,460 And I also have two free e-books for, I think it's been like two years now since they're out. 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:15,960 Okay. 55 00:03:16,340 --> 00:03:22,280 So before asking you about your background and how you started Bitcoin, tell me more about your e-books. 56 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:23,300 I'm curious about it. 57 00:03:23,620 --> 00:03:23,860 Okay. 58 00:03:23,900 --> 00:03:24,800 So there are two. 59 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:27,700 One is for people looking for a job in Bitcoin. 60 00:03:27,1000 --> 00:03:29,980 It's kiss your fiat job goodbye. 61 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:37,540 And then the second one is actually for startups who are looking to hire Bitcoiners without any resources. 62 00:03:37,540 --> 00:03:39,060 like without internal team, 63 00:03:39,140 --> 00:03:41,660 without money for external recruiters. 64 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,040 And that one is kiss your bad hiring goodbye. 65 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:47,660 We don't really collect any data. 66 00:03:47,860 --> 00:03:49,260 I was really strict on that. 67 00:03:49,340 --> 00:03:51,780 It's like, I don't even know how many clicks we've got 68 00:03:51,780 --> 00:03:53,720 or like how many downloads or anything. 69 00:03:53,860 --> 00:03:55,020 You can just go to the website, 70 00:03:55,420 --> 00:03:57,260 take them down, download them. 71 00:03:57,340 --> 00:03:58,180 And that's it. 72 00:03:58,180 --> 00:04:01,020 We really honestly do not even know 73 00:04:01,020 --> 00:04:02,840 how many clicks we've got so far. 74 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,880 I did a little update last year 75 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,600 because, you know, market and things change. 76 00:04:07,940 --> 00:04:10,340 But this year, I still did not update them. 77 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:10,720 I should. 78 00:04:11,140 --> 00:04:11,820 Okay, that's cool. 79 00:04:12,140 --> 00:04:16,380 Please pass me the link so I can put it on the podcast notes for the audience later. 80 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:17,620 You can do that. 81 00:04:17,900 --> 00:04:18,240 Okay. 82 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:19,200 Yeah, that's super cool. 83 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,980 And yeah, while you're looking for it, I want to ask you also about your background. 84 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,940 Normally, it's super fascinating to know the rabbit hole journey of everyone that comes 85 00:04:28,940 --> 00:04:29,320 in Bitcoin. 86 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,060 And that's one of the things that actually surprised me the most, that no matter where 87 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:40,260 you come from but it's not if you're an economist or engineer a pediatrician or whatever you come 88 00:04:40,260 --> 00:04:44,680 you find bitcoin you discover it you learn about it and then there's no way back so what's your 89 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:53,180 story i have well thank god i did not mine or or you know lose my my wallet back in the day but 90 00:04:53,180 --> 00:05:00,340 i was actually first year off university i have a bachelor in economy and during my first year 91 00:05:00,340 --> 00:05:04,340 second semester, I had a professor of macro economy, 92 00:05:04,340 --> 00:05:07,180 professor coming to the class and saying like, Hey guys, 93 00:05:07,180 --> 00:05:21,517 there like this new thing And then he told us everything about Bitcoin And then he spent the entire semester at university teaching us about Bitcoin Mind you it like 2009 2010 None of us bought 94 00:05:21,517 --> 00:05:27,917 any. That's the bad part. So like he tried so hard to teach us to like, you know, show the proof 95 00:05:27,917 --> 00:05:33,077 of work and just like, let us know this is the best thing that's going to happen to the humankind. 96 00:05:33,077 --> 00:05:36,017 but none of us actually fell for it back then. 97 00:05:36,317 --> 00:05:37,877 So it took me a few years. 98 00:05:38,157 --> 00:05:42,457 I think it was like 2017, 2018 when I actually got back to it 99 00:05:42,457 --> 00:05:45,157 and I started reading and educating myself again. 100 00:05:45,397 --> 00:05:46,837 And that was it. 101 00:05:46,957 --> 00:05:49,077 There was no way back afterwards. 102 00:05:49,537 --> 00:05:52,497 Literally, you're the first person that told me that studied economies 103 00:05:52,497 --> 00:05:55,697 and that actually learned about Bitcoin during the university. 104 00:05:56,317 --> 00:05:56,677 I know. 105 00:05:56,777 --> 00:05:59,697 I spoke to so many people with bachelors in economy 106 00:05:59,697 --> 00:06:01,297 and they're like, they never thought as well. 107 00:06:01,297 --> 00:06:07,097 you know it wasn't in our curriculum either i think it was just this amazing person who was like 108 00:06:07,097 --> 00:06:12,977 who is very smart very educated and he just knows like and he wanted to share that with us 109 00:06:12,977 --> 00:06:18,737 yeah that's super cool yeah because even one of the things that i have discussed with other people 110 00:06:18,737 --> 00:06:23,357 that have studied economies or even engineering in my case i studied engineering and of course we 111 00:06:23,357 --> 00:06:29,197 have topics about economy but the curious thing is that they never taught us taught us about 112 00:06:29,197 --> 00:06:36,317 different types of economies. They normally mention like a history of Austrians or Kensians, 113 00:06:36,317 --> 00:06:40,877 but they don't go deeper. Mostly, the 90% of the curriculum that we learn is about Kensians, 114 00:06:40,877 --> 00:06:46,397 but not about Austrians. So that's super curious. And I think that's something that, 115 00:06:46,397 --> 00:06:49,677 at least in my country, I've seen that little by little they generally, but yeah, 116 00:06:49,677 --> 00:06:52,477 it's super curious that we're not learning about that at all. 117 00:06:52,477 --> 00:06:53,437 Yeah. So yeah. 118 00:06:53,437 --> 00:06:53,997 I know. 119 00:06:53,997 --> 00:06:59,037 Yeah. So also I want to ask you about, so you just said that you were doing your 120 00:06:59,197 --> 00:07:04,737 digging in your own research about Bitcoin. What hit you? What was your how moment, as we say, 121 00:07:05,157 --> 00:07:11,557 in our Bitcoin? I think I was talking to a friend from university and we were just laughing and we're 122 00:07:11,557 --> 00:07:17,197 like, do you remember that time when that professor told us about Bitcoin? I'm like, yeah, I, you know, 123 00:07:17,237 --> 00:07:22,957 from time to time I think about it, but like, I didn't know how I could buy any or what I would be 124 00:07:22,957 --> 00:07:29,697 able to do with it or like anything and the next morning because i realized i have so many questions 125 00:07:29,697 --> 00:07:36,857 the next morning i just decided to go and seek answers what wow and the and what was the what 126 00:07:36,857 --> 00:07:45,017 was your resources like podcasts or books no back then no it wasn't a podcast it was just reading 127 00:07:45,017 --> 00:07:50,957 online a lot i wish i had like more yeah i wish i had a better answer like oh you know this person 128 00:07:50,957 --> 00:07:57,677 or that person basically no i was just yeah i was just reading online a lot the aha moment was when 129 00:07:57,677 --> 00:08:05,417 i realized because i come from serbia and then just like any other small country we face different 130 00:08:05,417 --> 00:08:12,317 challenges right with local currency and stuff so the aha moment for me was the inflation piece 131 00:08:12,317 --> 00:08:18,937 that was like we should we should do everything we can to accept this and to live as much as 132 00:08:18,937 --> 00:08:23,937 possible on a Bitcoin standard. I was also very lucky that when my husband came around, he was 133 00:08:23,937 --> 00:08:33,077 also like 80% full Bitcoiner. So it kind of just clicked for both of us. And yeah, people usually 134 00:08:33,077 --> 00:08:39,297 ask us like who Orange built who? And we're like, no, we just... Nobody. Nobody. We did it on our 135 00:08:39,297 --> 00:08:45,417 own. So... That's cool. Yeah. I come from a family that is curious that my parents, well, my dad, 136 00:08:45,417 --> 00:08:52,117 he is a doctor and he learned about Bitcoin while me and my sister were learning about Bitcoin 137 00:08:52,117 --> 00:08:58,797 separately. And one time, you know, we had a, we had this call, weekly calls between us. And 138 00:08:58,797 --> 00:09:06,937 I think that my sister talked about it. And my sister, she come from business management and I'm 139 00:09:06,937 --> 00:09:12,897 engineer. My dad is a doctor. So, and the three of us knew about Bitcoin. And so three different 140 00:09:12,897 --> 00:09:17,617 profiles professional profiles we were like there's something in here and we dig even deeper 141 00:09:17,617 --> 00:09:23,777 about this because yeah and as i told you now even what i told you that i really for me impressed me 142 00:09:23,777 --> 00:09:28,657 no matter what is your background when you start studying to be going to go deeper because i 143 00:09:28,657 --> 00:09:35,857 mentioned you even my my girlfriend she is she will is studying in interior design and not economy at 144 00:09:35,857 --> 00:09:41,697 all and i started teaching her about bitcoin and she was super curious and now she's into it so 145 00:09:41,697 --> 00:09:44,197 Yeah, I guess that when it hits, it hits. 146 00:09:44,737 --> 00:09:50,237 That's my wow moment as well, is that Bitcoiners are a group of people. 147 00:09:50,437 --> 00:09:53,617 It's not just different education or like different background. 148 00:09:53,777 --> 00:09:56,137 It's like different nationalities, different languages. 149 00:09:56,137 --> 00:09:57,977 We are all over the world. 150 00:09:58,217 --> 00:10:02,117 And then somehow we are all united around the same idea. 151 00:10:02,457 --> 00:10:04,157 And it just blows my mind. 152 00:10:04,477 --> 00:10:04,897 It's amazing. 153 00:10:05,357 --> 00:10:06,077 Yeah, absolutely. 154 00:10:06,777 --> 00:10:11,437 We're going to talk about Bitcoin careers and Bitcoin roles and how to get higher in Bitcoin. 155 00:10:11,697 --> 00:10:13,997 But how do you start working in Bitcoin? 156 00:10:14,277 --> 00:10:16,837 I get this question a lot. 157 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:36,853 And I always say I wish I had a good answer But for me it was a pure love Back then I did not I thought that I didn know but like I thought that like engineering and maybe legal are easy to find a job in the space 158 00:10:36,853 --> 00:10:43,393 And you know, back then, not many operational roles were available. So I kind of just stumbled 159 00:10:43,393 --> 00:10:49,413 upon something that I liked, I really liked. I did write a funny cover letter back then. 160 00:10:49,413 --> 00:10:52,273 and yeah, I just, I was hired. 161 00:10:52,853 --> 00:10:56,433 So I always talk about how things were different 162 00:10:56,433 --> 00:10:57,913 five or six years ago. 163 00:10:58,033 --> 00:10:59,233 It was much easier. 164 00:10:59,453 --> 00:11:01,053 It was much more relaxed. 165 00:11:01,233 --> 00:11:02,993 Like, yes, we had less jobs. 166 00:11:02,993 --> 00:11:04,553 I agree in the space, 167 00:11:04,553 --> 00:11:08,913 but it felt easier than what I'm seeing today. 168 00:11:09,613 --> 00:11:10,153 So, okay. 169 00:11:10,273 --> 00:11:13,773 And I'm curious because you as a health of talent, 170 00:11:14,273 --> 00:11:18,453 I strike, we say that also Bitcoin fixes incentives, right? 171 00:11:18,453 --> 00:11:24,673 So what does it mean to build people around better incentives instead of simply building products? 172 00:11:24,813 --> 00:11:27,453 You know, there's a lot of companies that just build products. 173 00:11:27,693 --> 00:11:28,533 Culture is everything. 174 00:11:28,913 --> 00:11:36,273 And if you're asking me like how to, what it means to build these type of teams, but culture and alignment is everything. 175 00:11:36,913 --> 00:11:39,493 And yeah, of course, skills have to be there. 176 00:11:39,653 --> 00:11:47,293 But if you're not aligned with someone's goals and mission, and if you're not a Bitcoiner, yeah, it's not going to work. 177 00:11:47,293 --> 00:11:53,513 Just because whoever wants to work in a Bitcoin space, by default, they are very passionate, right? 178 00:11:53,673 --> 00:11:56,133 And that's the type of people everybody wants to hire. 179 00:11:56,493 --> 00:12:08,053 If you are just very skilled, but the passion is not there and you don't really care about product or you don't really care about what this company is trying to achieve, then you're not going to last long because you're not going to do your best. 180 00:12:08,753 --> 00:12:10,713 All right. Yeah, that makes sense. 181 00:12:10,713 --> 00:12:25,773 Actually, I have a couple of questions that I wanted to ask you because I have friends that they are Bitcoin teachers who are teaching right now in El Salvador and grassroots efforts and also in the public school, which I think we made like a conjoined brainstorm. 182 00:12:25,953 --> 00:12:35,673 So I want to ask you about things that probably kids or recent graduates like from Torgos Debs wants to know about how to start working on Bitcoin. 183 00:12:35,673 --> 00:12:42,393 So, for example, when you interview someone, what are you actually looking for beyond the CV, the resume? 184 00:12:42,653 --> 00:12:52,873 I think that even before you are actually invited to an interview, I know in like regular industries and other industries, cover letters are outdated. 185 00:12:53,153 --> 00:12:55,493 I agree. There is no reason to send a cover letter. 186 00:12:55,493 --> 00:13:08,473 But when you talk about the Bitcoin company, cover letters are kind of must have just because, you know, if you are going to receive a dozen of resumes, how do you know who's a Bitcoiner who's not? 187 00:13:08,473 --> 00:13:10,713 So that's where cover letters kind of help. 188 00:13:11,033 --> 00:13:13,853 And I talk a lot about that. 189 00:13:14,173 --> 00:13:16,633 And I always say like, don't make it a fairy tale. 190 00:13:16,893 --> 00:13:19,473 It's just a cover letter where, you know, 191 00:13:19,733 --> 00:13:23,433 whoever is reading that should know that you are one of us 192 00:13:23,433 --> 00:13:25,593 or, you know, you want to work in the space. 193 00:13:25,673 --> 00:13:27,233 So it should be something like super simple, 194 00:13:27,353 --> 00:13:29,573 but just like make sure you stand out from the crowd 195 00:13:29,573 --> 00:13:31,473 because there are other people who apply. 196 00:13:31,593 --> 00:13:32,853 Maybe their CV is better. 197 00:13:32,973 --> 00:13:35,253 Maybe they have better skills, but you're a Bitcoiner. 198 00:13:35,753 --> 00:13:37,273 You know, people want to talk to you. 199 00:13:37,273 --> 00:13:40,273 So we, all of us who work in the space, 200 00:13:40,433 --> 00:13:42,633 we need to know that we are inviting 201 00:13:42,633 --> 00:13:45,033 an actual Bitcoiner to a conversation. 202 00:13:45,393 --> 00:13:48,353 So to me, it starts before an interview. 203 00:13:48,693 --> 00:13:50,993 It should start with an application 204 00:13:50,993 --> 00:13:53,153 or okay, you don't want to send the cover letter. 205 00:13:53,433 --> 00:13:53,933 That's fine. 206 00:13:54,013 --> 00:13:55,813 But put it somewhere in your resume. 207 00:13:56,213 --> 00:13:59,873 Maybe one of those paragraphs underneath your name 208 00:13:59,873 --> 00:14:01,773 where you put a short description. 209 00:14:02,153 --> 00:14:05,693 Just put it somewhere so whoever is reviewing it 210 00:14:05,693 --> 00:14:06,933 knows they're talking. 211 00:14:07,273 --> 00:14:09,653 They're looking at the Bitcoiners application. 212 00:14:10,193 --> 00:14:14,473 So I always stress how important it is to start from there. 213 00:14:14,833 --> 00:14:21,893 And then during a conversation, to me personally, it's all about that type of alignment, you 214 00:14:21,893 --> 00:14:24,033 know, that drive that I already mentioned. 215 00:14:24,173 --> 00:14:28,513 Sometimes I feel like I'm just so repetitive with this stuff, but it is very important. 216 00:14:29,513 --> 00:14:29,673 Yeah. 217 00:14:29,673 --> 00:14:36,613 It's all about, you know, being aligned with the product, with the mission and goals of 218 00:14:36,613 --> 00:14:42,553 the company just having that drive being hungry being ready to learn and being aware of the startup 219 00:14:42,553 --> 00:14:48,133 culture that's also can you can you tell with like in the first five minutes whether someone 220 00:14:48,133 --> 00:14:54,593 genuinely understands bitcoin or just wants to yeah and also the other question is two things 221 00:14:54,593 --> 00:15:00,693 and the other one is like i know that now with ai most people used to update their resumes with 222 00:15:00,693 --> 00:15:07,233 ai or cover letters but can you actually also tell if someone had doing like fake i mean you 223 00:15:07,233 --> 00:15:13,393 can always just ask like what's your bitcoin story all right you know for us bitcoiners we know 224 00:15:13,393 --> 00:15:17,473 like the question what's your bitcoin story you know what you need to talk about right 225 00:15:17,473 --> 00:15:21,153 if you're not an actual bitcoiner you're going to be confused by the question so 226 00:15:21,153 --> 00:15:27,393 it's okay okay and yeah i agree that's actually something that i think it's another thing about 227 00:15:27,393 --> 00:15:28,873 unique in our Bitcoin space 228 00:15:28,873 --> 00:15:30,353 because it's one specific thing 229 00:15:30,353 --> 00:15:31,973 and we all Bitcoiners 230 00:15:31,973 --> 00:15:44,270 have a unique story So yeah I think that that a way to say it not like in FiatJob job that depending what you do but you don have any specific story of this that why that why i saying like i understand 231 00:15:44,270 --> 00:15:50,690 the cover letters are outdated for fiat world but like for a fifth coin world they're not really you 232 00:15:50,690 --> 00:15:59,070 know so and what do you think of the people in the fiat world or even cryptos think that what do you 233 00:15:59,070 --> 00:16:03,550 think are the biggest misconceptions people have about working in Bitcoin companies? 234 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:09,790 Well, I think that people who are in fiat or crypto, but are Bitcoiners, I don't think they 235 00:16:09,790 --> 00:16:16,030 have any misconceptions because they just really want to. My biggest concern always, especially 236 00:16:16,030 --> 00:16:21,530 with people coming from corporation or people, I don't know, like a specific experience. And I 237 00:16:21,530 --> 00:16:27,550 always talk to them about this. It's sometimes what would have happened is that person is so 238 00:16:27,550 --> 00:16:34,050 talented. They are so skilled. Everything is perfection. I've seen it in so many companies. 239 00:16:34,490 --> 00:16:38,190 And then they just get in. And after six or seven months, they're like, 240 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:44,330 I can't do this. Why not? It's hectic. It's this. Well, it's a startup, right? 241 00:16:44,930 --> 00:16:51,190 But then you start talking to them like, okay, let's see what happened. I had a few of those 242 00:16:51,190 --> 00:16:55,890 conversations during conferences when I just go and meet and talk to people. And then they would 243 00:16:55,890 --> 00:17:01,450 tell me like oh you know but i used to work in jp morgan whatever something massive like a massive 244 00:17:01,450 --> 00:17:07,510 corporation and they're kind of like they are bitcoiners they're not a less bitcoiner because 245 00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:14,570 they didn't enjoy the the working experience it's just that they were not aware of what startup is 246 00:17:14,570 --> 00:17:20,150 and how startups work okay got it but that's in the case of the people that have a like a big 247 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:25,490 background on fiat but what about people that for example that i told you the guys that are 248 00:17:25,490 --> 00:17:27,790 starting to graduate just recently in Bitcoin, 249 00:17:27,950 --> 00:17:29,470 how they can, what is your advice 250 00:17:29,470 --> 00:17:31,330 on how they can start to get involved 251 00:17:31,330 --> 00:17:33,430 into Bitcoin companies or jobs? 252 00:17:33,790 --> 00:17:35,830 I think that especially for someone 253 00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:38,530 who's just out of the school, out of school, 254 00:17:38,770 --> 00:17:42,150 getting any kind of experience is more important 255 00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:46,110 than looking for strictly Bitcoin only. 256 00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:46,950 Hear me out. 257 00:17:47,130 --> 00:17:48,850 This is a little, this is not something 258 00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:50,890 that you probably expected to hear, but hear me out. 259 00:17:50,890 --> 00:17:54,050 If you spend a year, year and a half 260 00:17:54,050 --> 00:17:58,070 waiting for an opportunity in a Bitcoin space, 261 00:17:58,410 --> 00:18:01,190 junior enough for a specific person 262 00:18:01,190 --> 00:18:02,890 and skills that they have, 263 00:18:02,970 --> 00:18:05,250 you are missing out on actually gaining 264 00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:06,490 a year and a half experience. 265 00:18:06,790 --> 00:18:07,610 Yes, yeah, sure. 266 00:18:07,910 --> 00:18:09,710 But it's a year and a half of experience. 267 00:18:09,930 --> 00:18:12,530 And that is the experience you're bringing in 268 00:18:12,530 --> 00:18:13,750 will increase your chances 269 00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:15,330 of actually landing a Bitcoin job. 270 00:18:15,850 --> 00:18:18,270 So I always say that like, 271 00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:22,250 don't push and don't force getting into the space, 272 00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:25,090 but rather make sure that you are connected, 273 00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:26,230 that you are networking, 274 00:18:26,450 --> 00:18:27,950 that you're developing your skillset 275 00:18:27,950 --> 00:18:31,130 towards a certain or like a position 276 00:18:31,130 --> 00:18:33,690 that you would like to obtain one day in Bitcoin. 277 00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:35,370 Yes, you can always volunteer. 278 00:18:35,790 --> 00:18:37,550 You can always like for developers, 279 00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:39,150 especially young developers, 280 00:18:39,310 --> 00:18:43,710 I think the challenge by being junior developers 281 00:18:43,710 --> 00:18:46,590 in any type of industry at the moment, 282 00:18:46,770 --> 00:18:50,670 of course, Bitcoin industry is no different in that matter. 283 00:18:50,670 --> 00:18:57,990 So I think like, yes, you can go on Oster, you can go on Twitter, you can offer your services for free if needed. 284 00:18:58,230 --> 00:19:06,230 I'm not saying you should work for free, but if you are willing to volunteer and gain some experience, Bitcoin or whatever, you know, yeah, sure. 285 00:19:06,350 --> 00:19:08,170 Why not just offer your services for free? 286 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:14,750 But that doesn't mean that you sit and just wait for this perfect Bitcoin job without gaining any, you know, experience. 287 00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:16,350 Got it. 288 00:19:16,350 --> 00:19:16,910 All right. 289 00:19:16,910 --> 00:19:20,930 So we are almost about half of the show. 290 00:19:21,090 --> 00:19:21,450 Already? 291 00:19:21,970 --> 00:19:22,490 Almost. 292 00:19:23,210 --> 00:19:23,810 Wow. 293 00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:24,270 Okay. 294 00:19:24,670 --> 00:19:26,870 No, well, I think we are one third. 295 00:19:27,370 --> 00:19:35,490 So normally in one third, I like to make a little pause and to introduce the Bitcoin game of my podcast. 296 00:19:35,630 --> 00:19:36,570 Okay, let's go. 297 00:19:36,750 --> 00:19:36,910 Yeah. 298 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:40,310 So my previous guest was Matthew Mesinski. 299 00:19:40,610 --> 00:19:45,030 He has this also podcast called Number One Base Money. 300 00:19:45,030 --> 00:19:46,750 So let me share it with you. 301 00:19:46,910 --> 00:19:53,930 Hmm. Is it too technical? I'm scared. Maybe. I don't remember. I'm scared. 302 00:19:55,070 --> 00:20:03,170 Let's go. Let's go. My question would be, does she know what the Bitcoin power law is? And if yes, 303 00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:09,430 what is the simplest way she could explain it? I'm going to go with no. I'm not going to embarrass 304 00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:18,010 myself i can't embarrass myself okay i'm gonna go with no that's safest okay so yeah i could have 305 00:20:18,010 --> 00:20:22,590 asked you in advance and then just ask claude like hey what should i say but this is better 306 00:20:22,590 --> 00:20:29,070 this is better i mean it's it's an honest answer yes yeah i don't wanna yeah i don't wanna fake it 307 00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:35,930 i'm just gonna go with the state i don't know okay my husband is a technical very technical 308 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:40,250 person. So when he hears this, he's probably going to be like, but yeah, I'm still. 309 00:20:41,790 --> 00:20:45,990 Is there, is there anything that I can fundamentally understand from a power law? And there is. 310 00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:49,990 So this is, this would be another answer I would accept from the question that I asked for this. 311 00:20:50,011 --> 00:20:54,751 Next guest is how does Bitcoin's price double according to a power law? 312 00:20:55,091 --> 00:20:55,251 Okay. 313 00:20:55,291 --> 00:21:00,191 So according to an exponential law, and we can just use our eyes and see that Bitcoin 314 00:21:00,191 --> 00:21:01,411 is not growing exponentially. 315 00:21:01,831 --> 00:21:07,251 But the exponential trend that we could try to shoehorn on Bitcoin is that it doubles less 316 00:21:07,251 --> 00:21:07,911 than every year. 317 00:21:08,571 --> 00:21:08,811 All right. 318 00:21:08,851 --> 00:21:09,871 108% CAGR. 319 00:21:10,091 --> 00:21:11,071 You see that they match there. 320 00:21:11,391 --> 00:21:11,511 Okay. 321 00:21:11,851 --> 00:21:12,131 Yeah. 322 00:21:12,451 --> 00:21:15,971 But in reality, Bitcoin only grows at about 40% per year. 323 00:21:16,071 --> 00:21:18,011 So in this chart, I have to actually zoom in and show you. 324 00:21:18,071 --> 00:21:19,151 So here you go back to the power. 325 00:21:19,251 --> 00:21:19,811 It's right there. 326 00:21:20,011 --> 00:21:24,711 40% per year TTM. It's different than the CAGR because the CAGR is declining, doubling every 327 00:21:24,711 --> 00:21:30,071 two years. But how would I define that even further to like a mathematical equation? And 328 00:21:30,071 --> 00:21:34,451 the answer is you have to use, you have to just, you have to calculate through to get this number. 329 00:21:34,551 --> 00:21:39,431 There's no way that your next guess would get this, which is fine. But the answer is that for 330 00:21:39,431 --> 00:21:46,411 every 13% increase in the life of Bitcoin, the price doubles. For every 13% increase in the life 331 00:21:46,411 --> 00:21:52,211 of Bitcoin, the price doubles. So notice that is not a constant, that's not a constant expression. 332 00:21:52,771 --> 00:21:57,191 It's not a constant mathematical expression. What it is showing is as Bitcoin gets larger 333 00:21:57,191 --> 00:22:01,411 to the tune of 13, the price doubles. And then presumably from there, we can say, okay, well, 334 00:22:01,411 --> 00:22:06,791 what else doubles? Adoption, understanding, usage, all those things. So it's a proxy for 335 00:22:06,791 --> 00:22:12,351 network adoption when we look at it with the price, which is very, very different than any other asset. 336 00:22:16,411 --> 00:22:18,411 . 337 00:22:46,411 --> 00:22:52,471 El Salvador buys one Bitcoin every day. You don't need a country's budget to do the same thing. 338 00:22:52,911 --> 00:22:59,211 Just a smaller amount on a schedule. A little every week, no matter the price. With bull Bitcoin, 339 00:22:59,451 --> 00:23:05,291 each purchase lands straight in your own wallet. No exchange balance. 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Use code BITKORNER for your ticket. 348 00:23:38,971 --> 00:23:39,931 Link in bio. 349 00:23:43,451 --> 00:23:49,431 What skills do you think that are dramatically underrated today inside Bitcoin Jobs? 350 00:23:49,711 --> 00:23:51,671 That's a very good question. 351 00:23:52,171 --> 00:23:58,771 Okay, as a parent, as a parent, I'm going to say that the thing the teenagers decide to do, 352 00:23:59,251 --> 00:24:04,051 they or they are talented for, they should, simply because they're going to be the best. 353 00:24:04,051 --> 00:24:07,071 And then, you know, the right opportunity. 354 00:24:07,671 --> 00:24:12,531 Right now, I see we're lacking as an industry. 355 00:24:12,851 --> 00:24:20,211 I feel like we're like accountants or I don't know, lawyers who are like orange-pilled. 356 00:24:20,731 --> 00:24:27,531 So something like that, I would say, I'm not saying that there are no orange-pilled lawyers or accountants. 357 00:24:27,531 --> 00:24:33,851 By looking at and talking to everyone in industry, I would say maybe those skills. 358 00:24:34,271 --> 00:24:40,491 But I still believe that they should go for whatever and then they're going to just be so good. 359 00:24:40,631 --> 00:24:41,791 I love recruiting. 360 00:24:42,111 --> 00:24:43,631 It's truly my passion. 361 00:24:43,911 --> 00:24:46,011 It's the job that I always wanted to do. 362 00:24:46,631 --> 00:24:49,891 My path was like this to actually become her. 363 00:24:49,891 --> 00:25:01,091 But my path from senior technical recruiter to the head of talent was pretty straightforward because I'm good at this and I love this. 364 00:25:01,331 --> 00:25:04,851 And, you know, I cherish every moment of doing the job. 365 00:25:05,031 --> 00:25:15,411 So I think that like when you really like what you're doing, it's kind of easy to develop and grow into in any different role connected, you know, to that just because you're so proud. 366 00:25:15,411 --> 00:25:23,791 Yeah. Do you think that actually it matters to have a very specific professional background in one thing? 367 00:25:24,091 --> 00:25:37,771 Because, for example, one thing that I noticed around my friends or even myself or even my partner is that we have done several things because we have worked for companies, then self-simpreneurs, then consultants. 368 00:25:38,391 --> 00:25:44,251 So we don't have a very specific life career or one specific thing. 369 00:25:44,251 --> 00:25:47,051 Now we pivot along with, do you think that affects? 370 00:25:47,051 --> 00:25:49,851 Me too. I did that. No, I did that. 371 00:25:49,851 --> 00:25:54,351 So pivoting is, I did that, but no, pivoting is totally fine. 372 00:25:54,351 --> 00:26:09,905 There is the entire chapter in that ebook that we mentioned earlier about pivoting Like I think pivoting is awesome What I don think is awesome is that you want to pivot now and get into the Bitcoin space like industry 373 00:26:10,005 --> 00:26:14,365 not space, industry. How do you think that's going to happen? It's like, okay, if you are a, 374 00:26:14,365 --> 00:26:19,765 I think I was using at one conference, I was using the examples of like being QA or a salesperson, 375 00:26:20,025 --> 00:26:24,985 something like that. Like, okay, you want to do QA and you want to go into Bitcoin industry. 376 00:26:24,985 --> 00:26:34,225 You really think, I mean, okay, not, what is the possibility of someone hiring entryway tester in 377 00:26:34,225 --> 00:26:41,085 industry versus what do you think the possibility of someone hiring an experienced salesperson 378 00:26:41,085 --> 00:26:47,345 in a Bitcoin? Like, what do you see happening? You know, so, okay, go as a salesperson, but 379 00:26:47,345 --> 00:26:52,705 be upfront, like talk because startups, you can pivot in startups, you can change roles, 380 00:26:52,705 --> 00:26:56,065 you can change departments, you can do a lot of things in a startup. So like, 381 00:26:56,305 --> 00:27:02,225 just be upfront about it. Like, okay, I want to do sales, but do you mind me educating myself 382 00:27:02,225 --> 00:27:09,405 and, you know, shifting towards this while I'm doing that? You don't mind? Perfect. Let's do it. 383 00:27:09,705 --> 00:27:17,165 So I think pivoting is amazing, but Bitcoin industry requires people with experience, 384 00:27:17,165 --> 00:27:22,005 some level of experience. It takes us back to that startup situation. But like, 385 00:27:22,785 --> 00:27:29,305 if you are about to be hired for a startup, they have no time to hold your hand. They have no time 386 00:27:29,305 --> 00:27:34,305 to brief you every single day or micromanage you or check out what you're doing. And if you need 387 00:27:34,305 --> 00:27:39,705 any help or train you for the job, nobody has time for that. You know, day one, hit the ground 388 00:27:39,705 --> 00:27:45,465 running, go build, go do something, right? So I think pivoting is amazing. And I absolutely think 389 00:27:45,465 --> 00:27:50,505 people should shift towards whatever they like i did that you mentioned you did that so like 390 00:27:50,505 --> 00:27:56,265 it's kind of natural right we're humans and it's it's in our nature but i just think people 391 00:27:56,265 --> 00:28:06,065 not smart strategic all right yeah and actually it's super interesting because 392 00:28:06,065 --> 00:28:12,525 yet i was comparing to people that are older than me that still have a like a like i told you like 393 00:28:12,525 --> 00:28:13,965 my parents, they have a job career. 394 00:28:14,345 --> 00:28:18,465 We were wondering about that, not just in Bitcoin space, in general, even in the fiat 395 00:28:18,465 --> 00:28:22,745 world, if that actually affects, because I think in our 20s, many aneals, we have pivot 396 00:28:22,745 --> 00:28:23,885 a lot, as I told you. 397 00:28:24,165 --> 00:28:27,685 So yeah, it's good to hear even from a head talent. 398 00:28:27,905 --> 00:28:30,765 I know you're specifically in Bitcoin, but I think it's not that different. 399 00:28:30,885 --> 00:28:32,405 Or is it in the fiat world? 400 00:28:32,405 --> 00:28:33,865 I would say it's no different. 401 00:28:34,105 --> 00:28:35,385 I don't think it's different. 402 00:28:35,545 --> 00:28:41,965 I think the reason people decide not to shift is solely the psychological aspect of it or 403 00:28:41,965 --> 00:28:48,805 financial because like, okay, you're working 10, 15 years as a developer, like your salary is on a 404 00:28:48,805 --> 00:28:53,965 certain level, but now you want to shift and become an entry-level position on something else. 405 00:28:54,045 --> 00:28:58,885 Well, you're going to earn an entry-level position salary. So there's also that, right? Or like, 406 00:28:58,985 --> 00:29:05,105 oh, I already proved my point and like prove my worth, proof of work in this area. So like, 407 00:29:05,105 --> 00:29:11,285 do I really have to do it from zero again in like another area? So I think the people decide 408 00:29:11,285 --> 00:29:13,325 not do it. It's, you know, mental 409 00:29:13,325 --> 00:29:15,545 aspects, financial aspects, and just like 410 00:29:15,545 --> 00:29:17,225 why would I, you know, I have no 411 00:29:17,225 --> 00:29:19,285 Alright, and I'm also 412 00:29:19,285 --> 00:29:21,465 curious about that now 413 00:29:21,465 --> 00:29:22,905 little by little we are integrating 414 00:29:22,905 --> 00:29:25,285 AI and somehow also 415 00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:27,445 in Bitcoin space. What do you think 416 00:29:27,445 --> 00:29:28,545 are the 417 00:29:28,545 --> 00:29:31,085 jobs available in the future 418 00:29:31,085 --> 00:29:33,285 let's say in 5-10 years? I think it's 419 00:29:33,285 --> 00:29:35,385 going to be the same as now. Hopefully. I am not 420 00:29:35,385 --> 00:29:37,125 opposed to, hopefully. I'm not 421 00:29:37,125 --> 00:29:39,245 opposed to AI. I think AI is 422 00:29:39,245 --> 00:29:41,245 amazing. Bitcoin companies 423 00:29:41,245 --> 00:29:45,765 are usually very small in numbers of people working there. 424 00:29:46,065 --> 00:29:48,465 That's purposely because, you know, 425 00:29:48,605 --> 00:29:50,885 most companies are startup with limited funds. 426 00:29:50,885 --> 00:29:53,585 And why would you hire God knows how many people 427 00:29:53,585 --> 00:29:57,345 if you can achieve your goals with a smaller number of people? 428 00:29:57,785 --> 00:29:59,625 So I think in that situation, 429 00:29:59,825 --> 00:30:03,645 AI powerlifting the existing stuff, right? 430 00:30:03,725 --> 00:30:07,045 Like it's helping the people who are already in 431 00:30:07,045 --> 00:30:08,925 to do their job more efficiently 432 00:30:08,925 --> 00:30:11,045 and to just like, I don't know, work, 433 00:30:11,245 --> 00:30:18,705 faster or whatever. I don't, I hope not. I honestly hope that Bitcoin industry will not fall 434 00:30:18,705 --> 00:30:26,665 under the trend of firing everyone, keeping like two, three people in a company to observe and 435 00:30:26,665 --> 00:30:34,305 I hope we will not do that. Yeah. And how do you see in the US that, or I want to ask you about 436 00:30:34,305 --> 00:30:40,785 people that worked in Bitcoin companies, their opinion about Bitcoin tertiary companies and 437 00:30:40,785 --> 00:30:42,525 Bitcoin companies in general? 438 00:30:42,765 --> 00:30:44,225 I have no opinions. 439 00:30:44,785 --> 00:30:48,625 Yeah, I have, from a talent perspective, I have no opinions. 440 00:30:49,165 --> 00:30:49,845 No opinion. 441 00:30:50,445 --> 00:30:53,985 It's just like whoever is hiring and is in the Bitcoin space. 442 00:30:54,185 --> 00:30:55,025 So awesome. 443 00:30:55,445 --> 00:30:56,465 More work for people. 444 00:30:56,865 --> 00:30:57,905 So it's good. 445 00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:01,985 Any kind of Bitcoin companies is great for me, to be honest. 446 00:31:02,345 --> 00:31:02,885 Okay, cool. 447 00:31:03,505 --> 00:31:06,805 I want to change a little bit the topic and talk about Nostra because I have seen that 448 00:31:06,805 --> 00:31:08,245 you talk about Nostra as well. 449 00:31:08,825 --> 00:31:09,345 Yeah, I do. 450 00:31:09,345 --> 00:31:20,318 So do you think Nostar eventually becomes part of a person of being a professional identity Almost let say like an open source CD somehow 451 00:31:20,558 --> 00:31:20,878 Almost. 452 00:31:21,818 --> 00:31:22,558 I don't want to say a lot. 453 00:31:22,718 --> 00:31:25,958 I haven't been as active lately. 454 00:31:26,118 --> 00:31:27,758 I have to say last couple of months, 455 00:31:27,818 --> 00:31:28,978 I don't think I posted, 456 00:31:29,478 --> 00:31:31,838 like I don't think I talked to anyone, 457 00:31:32,378 --> 00:31:33,838 but I still love it. 458 00:31:33,838 --> 00:31:35,878 And I still love to go in and just like 459 00:31:35,878 --> 00:31:39,058 look around and looking at who's posting. 460 00:31:39,058 --> 00:31:40,218 It's a whole lot, by the way. 461 00:31:41,098 --> 00:31:41,678 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 462 00:31:41,758 --> 00:31:44,018 I go in, I check it out from time to time. 463 00:31:44,138 --> 00:31:45,518 Why I love Noster is like, 464 00:31:45,698 --> 00:31:47,018 from the very beginning, 465 00:31:47,218 --> 00:31:49,878 Noster had a proof of work from... 466 00:31:49,878 --> 00:31:51,158 So we just have to understand 467 00:31:51,158 --> 00:31:52,078 that everything that I'm saying 468 00:31:52,078 --> 00:31:53,478 is like from the talent perspective. 469 00:31:53,698 --> 00:31:55,678 Like that's my take. 470 00:31:56,178 --> 00:31:58,658 So what I've seen is that, 471 00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:00,238 and I was a big advocate for that. 472 00:32:00,298 --> 00:32:00,938 I was like, okay, 473 00:32:01,138 --> 00:32:02,578 do you need Bitcoin experience? 474 00:32:02,958 --> 00:32:03,658 Go on Noster, 475 00:32:03,998 --> 00:32:05,858 write that you are offering 476 00:32:05,858 --> 00:32:08,198 your pair of hands to, 477 00:32:08,198 --> 00:32:14,358 I don't know, you have three, four, five hours per week available and just offer your help on a 478 00:32:14,358 --> 00:32:18,918 Bitcoin project. Could be marketing, could be social media, could be whatever. Whoever needs 479 00:32:18,918 --> 00:32:23,918 help, just see your skill set and let's see what happened. And what has happened is that I've seen 480 00:32:23,918 --> 00:32:28,938 at least four people get full-time jobs through Noster because they were connected to the managers 481 00:32:28,938 --> 00:32:36,058 because they had an opportunity to talk to even have like a conversation there before moving to 482 00:32:36,058 --> 00:32:41,458 an actual, you know, video call. I've seen people working for like part-time days. Like I've seen 483 00:32:41,458 --> 00:32:48,918 people networking much in a different way than you would in a Twitter X nowadays. I can't make 484 00:32:48,918 --> 00:32:57,138 myself call it X. I just call it Twitter. So I support Nostor for that. I did have concerns and 485 00:32:57,138 --> 00:33:02,658 a lot of questions in terms of like, how does it work? How do I, because it's like, okay, there's 486 00:33:02,658 --> 00:33:07,978 no censorship. So like, how do we prevent bad actors in it? Like I'm a parent, like, obviously, 487 00:33:07,978 --> 00:33:14,638 I think about stuff, right? So to me, like, I did have questions, I did address those questions, 488 00:33:14,638 --> 00:33:22,218 the answer was provided, I am okay to live with the answer that I got. Do I think that like make 489 00:33:22,218 --> 00:33:28,758 a way to keep the bad actors out? I do. But then Nostra wouldn't make any sense. It wouldn't be, 490 00:33:28,758 --> 00:33:34,018 you know censorship resistant or like it it would it wouldn't make any sense i understand that 491 00:33:34,018 --> 00:33:41,438 but yeah i do have some doubts on that front but other than that i think nostril is a great tool 492 00:33:41,438 --> 00:33:46,318 for connecting for networking for getting yourself a job for learning more about different stuff 493 00:33:46,318 --> 00:33:51,838 absolutely that's something that i noticed in the big ones you know that when you want to connect 494 00:33:51,838 --> 00:33:56,858 with someone now we're talking about nostril but before nostril before we go lives in this protocol 495 00:33:56,858 --> 00:34:02,358 I remind that X was super excellent because I was comparing that to LinkedIn because LinkedIn, 496 00:34:02,598 --> 00:34:05,038 there's so much bureaucracy and so much layers. 497 00:34:05,498 --> 00:34:10,758 So if you wanted to contact with someone, you needed to go super low in the scaling until 498 00:34:10,758 --> 00:34:13,518 you finally get the contact with the person that you need. 499 00:34:13,778 --> 00:34:19,998 On X, I saw that now you can connect directly and on Oster even further, as you said, like 500 00:34:19,998 --> 00:34:22,978 you can even go beyond because it's an open source. 501 00:34:22,978 --> 00:34:24,818 so you can contact directly to that person. 502 00:34:25,238 --> 00:34:29,218 In X, you have this layer that if you are not verified, 503 00:34:29,218 --> 00:34:31,698 then probably you cannot contact the other person, 504 00:34:31,798 --> 00:34:33,838 but in Nostra is free, so you can call directly. 505 00:34:34,118 --> 00:34:35,678 And as you said, that's your skill. 506 00:34:35,958 --> 00:34:36,578 So absolutely. 507 00:34:37,058 --> 00:34:40,818 Also, Twitter is kind of full of crypto people 508 00:34:40,818 --> 00:34:43,838 and pardon my French, but shitcoiners. 509 00:34:44,138 --> 00:34:46,778 And sometimes it's like, there's a lot of noise nowadays. 510 00:34:46,938 --> 00:34:48,178 At least that's my feed. 511 00:34:48,278 --> 00:34:49,578 Like, I don't know how others work, 512 00:34:49,658 --> 00:34:51,418 but there is a lot of noise. 513 00:34:51,418 --> 00:34:57,358 And also it's just a personal perspective, but I stopped using Twitter to connect with Bitcoiners. 514 00:34:57,498 --> 00:35:00,658 And now I'm using Twitter to follow the political situation in my country. 515 00:35:01,038 --> 00:35:02,838 So that could be the reason as well. 516 00:35:03,018 --> 00:35:11,538 So Noster is like my tiny Bitcoin getaway, whereas Twitter or Axe is like something completely else for me nowadays. 517 00:35:11,538 --> 00:35:17,658 But just because it became too noisy, it became too much stuff everywhere. 518 00:35:17,658 --> 00:35:19,838 Too many people, too many shitcoiners. 519 00:35:19,838 --> 00:35:22,638 Like I just didn't, I stopped enjoying it. 520 00:35:22,778 --> 00:35:25,738 And mind you, I opened my first profile on Twitter. 521 00:35:25,918 --> 00:35:26,918 I think it was 2010. 522 00:35:27,418 --> 00:35:29,518 So it's been, was it even around the 20th? 523 00:35:29,978 --> 00:35:32,898 But it was like among those first years of existing. 524 00:35:33,138 --> 00:35:36,118 So I'm a fan of Twitter, but something is off nowadays. 525 00:35:36,118 --> 00:35:38,638 For Bitcoin connections, I still prefer Nostra. 526 00:35:38,778 --> 00:35:41,058 But I do have to touch base on LinkedIn. 527 00:35:41,358 --> 00:35:43,458 I know it's like Bitcoin or LinkedIn. 528 00:35:43,938 --> 00:35:46,358 And I always say like, please try liking it. 529 00:35:46,458 --> 00:35:48,918 Like it's not even important if you like it, just be there. 530 00:35:48,918 --> 00:35:52,578 Be on LinkedIn because when you want to check someone who applied for a job, 531 00:35:52,678 --> 00:35:55,138 sure, you're going to look Twitter, you're going to look Nostra if you have time. 532 00:35:55,218 --> 00:35:56,498 But you know what you're going to check first? 533 00:35:56,838 --> 00:35:58,318 LinkedIn because that's the network. 534 00:35:58,738 --> 00:35:59,098 Really? 535 00:36:00,258 --> 00:36:00,798 I'm sorry. 536 00:36:01,378 --> 00:36:02,258 This is unpopular. 537 00:36:02,478 --> 00:36:03,338 This is unpopular. 538 00:36:03,638 --> 00:36:05,798 It's unpopular, but it's absolutely true. 539 00:36:05,938 --> 00:36:08,378 And I always say like, just put it somewhere profile. 540 00:36:08,698 --> 00:36:09,738 I'm a recruiter, right? 541 00:36:09,738 --> 00:36:13,558 So when I search for people, I always in my Boolean strength, 542 00:36:13,558 --> 00:36:19,998 I always love to put a word Bitcoin and see what profiles will think on that. 543 00:36:20,318 --> 00:36:34,211 And then I see someone writing like I into crypto I love Shiba Doge whatever and Bitcoin And then because of that the profile clicked for me and I see it 544 00:36:34,211 --> 00:36:35,331 and I don't want to see it 545 00:36:35,331 --> 00:36:36,571 because I don't want crypto. 546 00:36:37,291 --> 00:36:38,211 So I always say like, 547 00:36:38,351 --> 00:36:40,871 just as we talked earlier about CV 548 00:36:40,871 --> 00:36:42,211 and having like that paragraph, 549 00:36:42,411 --> 00:36:43,791 you know, like description of profile, 550 00:36:43,911 --> 00:36:44,771 just put it somewhere. 551 00:36:45,271 --> 00:36:47,831 I'm a Bitcoin sense or whatever. 552 00:36:47,991 --> 00:36:50,591 Just like make me understand you're in it. 553 00:36:50,591 --> 00:36:51,591 Actually, that's something 554 00:36:51,591 --> 00:36:52,791 that I think is very insightful 555 00:36:52,791 --> 00:36:54,831 and probably if you can share it, 556 00:36:54,851 --> 00:36:57,771 but because now I see that SEO is important 557 00:36:57,771 --> 00:36:59,131 and keywords are important. 558 00:36:59,731 --> 00:37:01,731 So how do actually recruiters filter 559 00:37:01,731 --> 00:37:04,031 to look into LinkedIn for a specific, 560 00:37:04,431 --> 00:37:05,551 well, in your case is Bitcoin, 561 00:37:05,711 --> 00:37:07,431 but I think that just as Bitcoin 562 00:37:07,431 --> 00:37:08,791 is the same for fiat jobs, 563 00:37:09,131 --> 00:37:10,211 like to recruit someone 564 00:37:10,211 --> 00:37:11,611 that you're actually looking for 565 00:37:11,611 --> 00:37:13,011 for the special of your company. 566 00:37:13,211 --> 00:37:14,251 So to me personally, 567 00:37:14,251 --> 00:37:16,391 I don't know how other people are doing it. 568 00:37:16,391 --> 00:37:19,011 I would love to have another recruiter 569 00:37:19,011 --> 00:37:20,771 watching your podcast, 570 00:37:20,771 --> 00:37:27,111 commenting on this and share some other, you know, share us more details. For me personally, 571 00:37:27,111 --> 00:37:34,351 is just whatever I need for the job itself, right? And then I would add like FinTech or Bitcoin or 572 00:37:34,351 --> 00:37:39,371 something like that. But usually Bitcoin is my first out of those options that I use. 573 00:37:39,751 --> 00:37:44,851 And then I also check for like my connections because you would get a lot of connections-ish. 574 00:37:45,211 --> 00:37:50,591 I'm looking at like who's connected to like, how do I see your profile? Why do I see your profile? 575 00:37:50,591 --> 00:37:54,671 Are we connected directly or are you connected to someone that I know? 576 00:37:55,051 --> 00:37:57,171 And then I take a look like, who is that person? 577 00:37:57,431 --> 00:38:01,751 If that person is a Bitcoiner from a Bitcoin space, like, okay, I know you're legit. 578 00:38:01,891 --> 00:38:03,451 Like, you're definitely a Bitcoiner. 579 00:38:03,591 --> 00:38:09,971 Or I just rely on seeing the profile description or like the companies the person worked for 580 00:38:09,971 --> 00:38:12,111 or, you know, something there. 581 00:38:12,231 --> 00:38:17,591 But sometimes it's not as simple because you would get like 100,000 results. 582 00:38:17,871 --> 00:38:18,171 Exactly. 583 00:38:18,831 --> 00:38:19,851 How do I know? 584 00:38:19,851 --> 00:38:26,991 So once you cut it down to like acceptable amounts of people and you start reviewing, it's very important. 585 00:38:27,131 --> 00:38:39,191 Like I love when I see that, like just maybe one sentence, like I don't care about your Bitcoin story on your LinkedIn profile, but like in Bitcoin since 2020, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 586 00:38:39,331 --> 00:38:45,831 Interested in Bitcoin, looking for work in a bit, like because it's, there it is, you know, as simple as it can be. 587 00:38:45,831 --> 00:38:51,891 yeah and i'm i know that i'm asking you very specific thing but i think it's really important 588 00:38:51,891 --> 00:38:57,531 for for this for people that are starting to look bitcoin jobs but also i want to ask you about 589 00:38:57,531 --> 00:39:02,851 this myth that i don't know if it is me that is actually true that now you also need to put like 590 00:39:02,851 --> 00:39:08,931 there was a specific way almost templates to put your in your cv but now that you also need to do 591 00:39:08,931 --> 00:39:15,751 like, accordingly, like with your LinkedIn, but also your PDF to have like keywords also to 592 00:39:15,751 --> 00:39:24,031 basically, so what I advise people to do is that whatever you have on your CV, put it on your 593 00:39:24,031 --> 00:39:29,111 LinkedIn profile, because I'm referring to the experience part, you know, when you said like, 594 00:39:29,291 --> 00:39:33,051 okay, you work in this company, and then this is the role you have, and then you put nothing 595 00:39:33,051 --> 00:39:37,751 well, you have, what do you think that looks like to me when I'm sourcing? Like, I learned nothing 596 00:39:37,751 --> 00:39:44,391 about you, right? So whatever you put in your CV, just copy paste it into your LinkedIn. This is 597 00:39:44,391 --> 00:39:51,791 also valuable for something else. When I want to share these profiles, LinkedIn is sometimes tricky. 598 00:39:51,971 --> 00:39:57,971 I don't know if it's a set settings for like from a personal side or like, what is it? I'm not sure. 599 00:39:57,971 --> 00:40:05,311 But sometimes like you can put, I don't know, a developer at this company and then no explanations. 600 00:40:05,311 --> 00:40:10,851 But when I use the platform for recruiters in LinkedIn, I actually see all the details. 601 00:40:11,091 --> 00:40:14,671 Like I see the role explanation and what you have been doing. 602 00:40:14,871 --> 00:40:19,831 And then I also have an option that's called save to PDF, which means that I download that 603 00:40:19,831 --> 00:40:21,671 and I use that as a resume. 604 00:40:22,151 --> 00:40:25,051 So if I need to share it with anyone, I'm just, they don't even know. 605 00:40:25,331 --> 00:40:29,991 It's before I reach out to you and say like, hey, we actually want to talk to you because 606 00:40:29,991 --> 00:40:31,311 we love your experience. 607 00:40:31,311 --> 00:40:35,551 And then there's no need for you to stress and be like, but I haven't sent you my resume. 608 00:40:35,651 --> 00:40:36,671 No, no, no worries. 609 00:40:36,751 --> 00:40:38,731 Your LinkedIn did the job for you. 610 00:40:39,231 --> 00:40:46,031 So I'm pretty sure when people do this, they understand that we are going to see it and 611 00:40:46,031 --> 00:40:49,911 we want to see it and please do it because it helps a lot. 612 00:40:50,311 --> 00:40:54,211 You know, having an empty profile like, oh, I've been software developer one, software 613 00:40:54,211 --> 00:40:54,911 developer two. 614 00:40:55,131 --> 00:40:55,571 What? 615 00:40:55,711 --> 00:40:56,351 What have you done? 616 00:40:57,071 --> 00:40:59,431 How do you expect me to call you for a call? 617 00:40:59,431 --> 00:41:01,031 I don't even know what you've been doing. 618 00:41:01,311 --> 00:41:02,971 So it is super important. 619 00:41:03,171 --> 00:41:05,151 And it's actually for people 620 00:41:05,151 --> 00:41:07,851 because it cuts your, like, you're more visible. 621 00:41:08,371 --> 00:41:09,751 You are more approachable. 622 00:41:10,211 --> 00:41:13,031 Your chances of getting pinged and messaged 623 00:41:13,031 --> 00:41:15,511 by any recruiter are higher. 624 00:41:15,511 --> 00:41:18,491 And then your chances of actually getting an interview 625 00:41:18,491 --> 00:41:21,911 right after message, in my case, it's always 100% 626 00:41:21,911 --> 00:41:24,011 because I'm not going to go back and forth with people 627 00:41:24,011 --> 00:41:26,411 and be like, send me your CV, do this, do that. 628 00:41:26,571 --> 00:41:29,211 No, if I outreach, I want to talk. 629 00:41:29,211 --> 00:41:32,811 So I think having a complete LinkedIn helps that a lot. 630 00:41:32,951 --> 00:41:34,751 Even though Bitcoiners don't like LinkedIn. 631 00:41:34,951 --> 00:41:35,511 I'm sorry. 632 00:41:35,511 --> 00:41:39,991 That was what I was about to say that on popular opinion, guys, but the truth is that 633 00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:41,677 But LinkedIn still is a thing. 634 00:41:41,817 --> 00:41:43,137 And look at this. 635 00:41:43,137 --> 00:41:48,517 A lot of people on high positions, C-level then, 636 00:41:48,837 --> 00:41:50,117 from all around the industry. 637 00:41:50,497 --> 00:41:52,217 A lot of VPs, a lot of heads, 638 00:41:52,397 --> 00:41:56,257 they are on LinkedIn because you can just connect with them 639 00:41:56,257 --> 00:41:59,237 and they can see your connections and you can see theirs. 640 00:41:59,397 --> 00:42:01,637 And it's easier to verify. 641 00:42:02,157 --> 00:42:03,157 We talked about it. 642 00:42:03,437 --> 00:42:07,497 And if someone used AI to write their CV or their cover letter, 643 00:42:07,497 --> 00:42:14,637 What makes you think that people don't use AI to scam you during an interview process, during sharing their LinkedIn profiles, doing this? 644 00:42:14,797 --> 00:42:19,777 Like, who says that the person you're typing with, Anoster, is a real person? 645 00:42:20,117 --> 00:42:21,017 Who they say they are. 646 00:42:21,297 --> 00:42:22,537 We are all about privacy. 647 00:42:22,977 --> 00:42:23,897 I have an alter ego. 648 00:42:24,497 --> 00:42:29,917 I have no problems with sharing my personal, my actual name, but I'm the one with an alter ego. 649 00:42:30,197 --> 00:42:31,517 My husband has an alter ego. 650 00:42:31,617 --> 00:42:33,077 Like, we are all about privacy. 651 00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:34,697 That's completely okay. 652 00:42:34,697 --> 00:42:42,157 But in a professional setup, you are absolutely allowed to have your alter ego, to have your privacy. 653 00:42:42,297 --> 00:42:42,797 That's all good. 654 00:42:42,977 --> 00:42:43,897 It makes sense completely. 655 00:42:44,217 --> 00:42:45,677 I mean, you can absolutely get a job. 656 00:42:45,777 --> 00:42:47,157 Like you don't have to put your real name. 657 00:42:47,277 --> 00:42:48,777 Like I have Thunder on my LinkedIn. 658 00:42:49,097 --> 00:42:55,837 I think I have only like my first name and then like initials of my last names, or maybe I have all initials. 659 00:42:55,877 --> 00:42:56,337 I'm not sure. 660 00:42:56,637 --> 00:42:59,977 And then I have just like Thunder because that's how people refer to me. 661 00:42:59,977 --> 00:43:08,897 So can you imagine if somebody is about to search my profile and they just see like a bunch of letters that like no name and just thunder. 662 00:43:09,077 --> 00:43:10,157 It kind of looks weird. 663 00:43:10,417 --> 00:43:28,554 But then when you look up at my experience when you look up at the profile description when you see education whatever you can tell like oh wait this is an actual person So yes I understand that some people are against linkedin because of privacy concern to them i say find a way to make it work put you 664 00:43:28,554 --> 00:43:33,714 know initials put this put that whatever you are comfortable with but make sure that there 665 00:43:33,714 --> 00:43:39,794 absolutely makes sense thunder we're gonna start wrap it up we almost have an hour but actually 666 00:43:39,794 --> 00:43:41,774 I've seen something curious in 667 00:43:41,774 --> 00:43:43,854 you're surrounded is the bull 668 00:43:43,854 --> 00:43:45,614 Bitcoin logo. Yeah. 669 00:43:46,274 --> 00:43:47,394 Behind you. That is. 670 00:43:47,514 --> 00:43:49,934 It is. We have a few stuff around. 671 00:43:50,234 --> 00:43:51,974 We actually have a lot of stuff 672 00:43:51,974 --> 00:43:54,034 that are not on the wall just yet just because 673 00:43:54,034 --> 00:43:55,974 we're kind of lazy. But yeah 674 00:43:55,974 --> 00:43:57,654 they are all around. 675 00:43:58,194 --> 00:43:59,794 For bull Bitcoin? No, no, no. I don't. 676 00:43:59,874 --> 00:44:01,874 I don't. I don't know. My husband got 677 00:44:01,874 --> 00:44:03,214 this somewhere like I don't know. 678 00:44:03,894 --> 00:44:05,634 Sorry. I do have something super 679 00:44:05,634 --> 00:44:07,954 interesting. I want to 680 00:44:07,954 --> 00:44:09,534 show you. No. What is that? 681 00:44:09,794 --> 00:44:14,014 Okay, so in case you want to show this on the podcast, 682 00:44:14,174 --> 00:44:16,554 so this is called a Bitcoin button. 683 00:44:17,154 --> 00:44:18,614 And then every time you press it, 684 00:44:18,714 --> 00:44:22,374 you're going to hear someone from industry saying something. 685 00:44:23,094 --> 00:44:23,694 It's so funny. 686 00:44:23,954 --> 00:44:26,994 And you can go around and around and around. 687 00:44:27,094 --> 00:44:30,434 I think it has maybe like 21 quotes or something. 688 00:44:30,694 --> 00:44:32,454 And then it just like starts again. 689 00:44:32,774 --> 00:44:33,774 It's just funny. 690 00:44:35,694 --> 00:44:37,194 My kid loves this. 691 00:44:37,194 --> 00:44:39,314 He just goes and press it. 692 00:44:39,794 --> 00:44:43,874 Until he comes to Giacomo, that he loves Giacomo's part because Giacomo goes, 693 00:44:44,214 --> 00:44:45,974 it's me Giacomo and he loves it. 694 00:44:45,974 --> 00:44:46,214 Really? 695 00:44:46,214 --> 00:44:46,634 He loves it. 696 00:44:46,814 --> 00:44:47,254 He loves it. 697 00:44:47,834 --> 00:44:49,674 That's a wonderful gadget. 698 00:44:49,894 --> 00:44:50,334 I like it. 699 00:44:50,654 --> 00:44:50,874 Yeah. 700 00:44:50,934 --> 00:44:51,414 Fun one. 701 00:44:51,654 --> 00:44:51,874 Yeah. 702 00:44:52,214 --> 00:44:52,474 Yeah. 703 00:44:52,634 --> 00:45:11,090 No I was saying that I like the Bull Bitcoin because actually shout out guys because they are partners of my podcast so yeah as if i knew amazing amazing i i didn know this guy i didn know this yeah yeah so to have them yes 704 00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:16,450 actually we have recorded episodes but more with the guys of france because they're they're they're 705 00:45:16,450 --> 00:45:22,230 crazy yeah but the whole i have i didn't have strike which is kind of bad i have strike stickers 706 00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:23,850 I'm going to put strike stickers around. 707 00:45:24,330 --> 00:45:24,930 No, don't worry. 708 00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:27,430 All right, Thunder, we're going to start wrapping up. 709 00:45:27,870 --> 00:45:32,710 Probably my last question will be actually about what you have learned. 710 00:45:32,810 --> 00:45:34,570 So I'm curious, you have been working on strike. 711 00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:39,530 So is there anything that you have learned from working on strike all this year? 712 00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:42,650 And also, actually, you have a really cool boss that is Jack. 713 00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:46,490 So what have you learned also from, if you can share? 714 00:45:46,850 --> 00:45:48,290 I've learned a lot. 715 00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:51,610 But the first thing that comes to my mind when we mentioned Jack, 716 00:45:51,830 --> 00:45:53,990 that would be my preference. 717 00:45:54,350 --> 00:45:56,630 Stay humble, stack stats, shape the roadmap, 718 00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:58,730 love time preference, be my favorite, maybe. 719 00:46:00,171 --> 00:46:00,430 All right. 720 00:46:00,671 --> 00:46:02,671 And about Strike, about your job? 721 00:46:02,970 --> 00:46:07,710 Just a very cool company, amazing people. 722 00:46:08,171 --> 00:46:10,830 And it's been five full years for me. 723 00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:13,410 I wouldn't change it for nothing. 724 00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:16,350 Like I'm looking just like, I don't, yeah. 725 00:46:16,350 --> 00:46:18,010 the best job I had. 726 00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:20,590 That's so cool. 727 00:46:20,810 --> 00:46:21,990 So yeah, I learned, 728 00:46:22,090 --> 00:46:22,710 I learned, 729 00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:25,050 so to actually answer your question, 730 00:46:25,210 --> 00:46:26,990 I learned that the job can be fun, 731 00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:29,250 that you can be in a situation 732 00:46:29,250 --> 00:46:30,490 where you don't know 733 00:46:30,490 --> 00:46:31,370 and don't care 734 00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:33,150 whether it's Monday or Friday 735 00:46:33,150 --> 00:46:35,310 because every day you just like your job 736 00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:47,487 and you don really care It has happened so many times that I would be on Slack like sending messages and then some of the colleagues would be like why are you working It Saturday And I like it not a working day 737 00:46:47,867 --> 00:46:49,987 Okay, well, goodbye. 738 00:46:50,427 --> 00:46:52,387 See you in two days, I guess. 739 00:46:52,727 --> 00:46:56,527 So yes, what I've learned is that you can actually enjoy your job. 740 00:46:56,747 --> 00:46:57,867 You can have so much fun. 741 00:46:58,227 --> 00:47:01,307 You can be respected, be cherished, 742 00:47:01,607 --> 00:47:03,987 be allowed to be who you are, 743 00:47:03,987 --> 00:47:06,947 and to grow into what you want to grow 744 00:47:06,947 --> 00:47:08,707 and not about the day of the week. 745 00:47:09,107 --> 00:47:09,787 That's awesome. 746 00:47:09,927 --> 00:47:11,127 Actually, that's what I want to say, 747 00:47:11,207 --> 00:47:13,367 that it's so fascinating and I'm happy for you. 748 00:47:13,527 --> 00:47:14,007 Congratulations. 749 00:47:14,467 --> 00:47:17,687 I congratulate you that you're working on something that you like. 750 00:47:17,767 --> 00:47:19,127 And I think most of the coin, 751 00:47:19,227 --> 00:47:22,767 I think all of us are working on something that we actually care. 752 00:47:23,107 --> 00:47:26,667 We are defending and yeah, so we're very lucky 753 00:47:26,667 --> 00:47:30,007 and it's good to spend our time, 754 00:47:30,147 --> 00:47:32,767 which I think is the only thing more valuable than Bitcoin 755 00:47:32,767 --> 00:47:33,827 to do something that we like. 756 00:47:33,827 --> 00:47:34,827 So time is valid. 757 00:47:34,827 --> 00:47:35,827 Great. 758 00:47:35,827 --> 00:47:36,827 Agreed. 759 00:47:36,827 --> 00:47:37,827 Yeah. 760 00:47:37,827 --> 00:47:38,827 So, all right, Thunder, thank you very much for your time. 761 00:47:38,827 --> 00:47:39,827 Thank you for having me. 762 00:47:39,827 --> 00:47:42,827 We hit one hour and hope to see you soon. 763 00:47:42,827 --> 00:47:43,827 Yeah. 764 00:47:43,827 --> 00:47:45,827 I think that that will be it. 765 00:47:45,827 --> 00:47:46,827 Amazing. 766 00:47:46,827 --> 00:47:50,827 Guys, I hope that you have enjoyed a lot and you have learned, but now you have some insight 767 00:47:50,827 --> 00:47:52,827 on how you can get Bitcoin curriculum. 768 00:47:52,827 --> 00:47:56,827 And I hope that Thunder also advises, help you a lot. 769 00:47:56,827 --> 00:47:59,827 And if you have more questions, please leave it in the comments. 770 00:47:59,827 --> 00:48:01,827 I will pass it to Thunder and hopefully she can reply. 771 00:48:01,827 --> 00:48:03,507 She can reply or I will reply myself. 772 00:48:03,827 --> 00:48:04,587 And I think that's it. 773 00:48:04,927 --> 00:48:05,747 See you next week.