1 00:00:00,050 --> 00:00:04,880 alright, we've got Jim Murphy here today and Jim is the author of, 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,340 well, not a new book, but, recently republished book called Inner Excellence 3 00:00:09,340 --> 00:00:13,060 Train Your Mind for Extraordinary Performance in the Best Possible Life. 4 00:00:13,060 --> 00:00:14,860 You've probably heard about Jim. 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:21,440 First thing I think I want to talk to you about is we all may have heard 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,980 about this book, from watching the NFL playoffs last year in the Super Bowl. 7 00:00:26,070 --> 00:00:28,140 AJ Brown had your book on the sidelines. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,515 Can you tell us a little bit about that? 9 00:00:31,665 --> 00:00:32,205 And how he 10 00:00:32,205 --> 00:00:32,805 Yeah, I can 11 00:00:32,985 --> 00:00:33,645 got the book. 12 00:00:34,245 --> 00:00:34,485 Yeah. 13 00:00:35,205 --> 00:00:39,945 So AJ uh, he got the book from his teammate, Moro Ojomo and, uh, 14 00:00:40,075 --> 00:00:44,115 Moro Ojomo just said, Hey, um, I think you'd really like this book. 15 00:00:44,115 --> 00:00:44,655 Take a look at it. 16 00:00:44,655 --> 00:00:45,675 And so obviously he did. 17 00:00:46,035 --> 00:00:50,955 Morrow got it from, uh, DJ Giaritelli at the University of Texas, Austin. 18 00:00:51,495 --> 00:00:53,865 Um, he is the Athletes in Action leader there. 19 00:00:53,955 --> 00:00:55,395 And so that's where Moro got it. 20 00:00:57,270 --> 00:01:02,610 So I saw a picture of AJ reading the book on, on the sideline, but I 21 00:01:02,610 --> 00:01:06,240 didn't know this was like three weeks before January 12th was the first time 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,620 in the Packers Wild Card game and, uh, that I didn't have any context. 23 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:14,490 And so when I found out on the 12th, that was, I didn't know that he was bringing 24 00:01:14,490 --> 00:01:18,510 it to every game, reading it before every game to get centered and, and reading it 25 00:01:18,510 --> 00:01:20,880 after every drive to get re refocused. 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,070 There was a specific passage I think that he highlighted I saw that he would 27 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:29,210 go back to after each series is that. 28 00:01:30,035 --> 00:01:34,415 Yeah, he, he, they showed, uh, um, zoomed in on, on, uh, a few of the 29 00:01:34,415 --> 00:01:38,225 pages that he had highlighted most of the words and, and yellow highlighter. 30 00:01:38,855 --> 00:01:42,035 And, well, he, I think he really liked the part about, uh, having 31 00:01:42,035 --> 00:01:45,875 a clear mind and unburdened heart, because being a receiver in the NFL, 32 00:01:45,875 --> 00:01:47,825 it's a scary proposition, right? 33 00:01:47,825 --> 00:01:50,465 And so, uh, he needs to have a clear mind if he wants, because 34 00:01:50,465 --> 00:01:51,815 there's no fear when you're present. 35 00:01:52,355 --> 00:01:55,775 And so I think he really used the book to help him get, uh, present. 36 00:01:56,315 --> 00:01:58,415 So yeah, I think that leads us into. 37 00:01:59,810 --> 00:02:03,800 What is Inner Excellence, the title of your book? 38 00:02:03,860 --> 00:02:08,999 It's a system , as far as I can understand, and I think, I don't know 39 00:02:08,999 --> 00:02:16,419 who said it, but Systems Over Goals is pro over amateur and we're dealing with. 40 00:02:17,814 --> 00:02:19,914 It's kinda like James Clear, uh, atomic Habits. 41 00:02:20,274 --> 00:02:20,424 Yeah. 42 00:02:20,454 --> 00:02:20,964 So yeah. 43 00:02:20,964 --> 00:02:24,504 Inner Excellence is an in-depth system to learn how to be fully present 44 00:02:24,504 --> 00:02:27,474 in your life, fully engaged heart, mind, and body unattached to the 45 00:02:27,474 --> 00:02:28,674 results of what you're trying to do. 46 00:02:29,154 --> 00:02:32,784 And, uh, learning self-mastery, learning how to master the ego. 47 00:02:32,844 --> 00:02:35,124 That part of your mind is always threatened to, always comparing, 48 00:02:35,124 --> 00:02:37,284 never satisfied overthinking. 49 00:02:39,054 --> 00:02:39,414 Yeah. 50 00:02:39,474 --> 00:02:43,514 And, in the book, we will, get that in a little bit, but. 51 00:02:43,814 --> 00:02:48,884 You talk about failure somewhere in the middle? 52 00:02:48,884 --> 00:02:49,814 I have it in my notes. 53 00:02:49,814 --> 00:02:50,834 I don't have the exact page. 54 00:02:50,834 --> 00:02:56,014 I wish I did, but, there's no failure, only feedback and being in this, 55 00:02:56,134 --> 00:03:03,114 in similar space, I just fell into it, I guess, trying to teach people 56 00:03:03,114 --> 00:03:05,179 these skills that you talk about. 57 00:03:05,994 --> 00:03:10,524 And, you know, coming from, I come from a sports background, baseball coaching, 58 00:03:10,524 --> 00:03:11,874 and I want to get to that in a moment. 59 00:03:11,874 --> 00:03:14,184 But, I say I've never really failed. 60 00:03:14,334 --> 00:03:17,874 I've had a lot of opportunities for personal growth, is what 61 00:03:17,874 --> 00:03:19,284 I say is how I reframe it. 62 00:03:19,794 --> 00:03:21,344 Was it, is that, appropriate? 63 00:03:21,944 --> 00:03:22,124 Yeah. 64 00:03:22,514 --> 00:03:23,024 Powerful. 65 00:03:23,024 --> 00:03:23,234 Yeah. 66 00:03:23,234 --> 00:03:26,744 So, um, what is, what is failure and what is success? 67 00:03:26,744 --> 00:03:28,994 It's, those words are very cliche. 68 00:03:28,994 --> 00:03:33,134 And, and America, the American dream is to be a huge success and not to fail. 69 00:03:33,494 --> 00:03:39,974 And, uh, so it's, it's, it's definitely an illusion because you can say 70 00:03:40,124 --> 00:03:43,304 you're, you're a marathon runner and you have your very best time ever 71 00:03:43,304 --> 00:03:45,134 personal best, but you don't win. 72 00:03:45,434 --> 00:03:46,334 So you failed. 73 00:03:46,874 --> 00:03:47,024 Yeah. 74 00:03:47,144 --> 00:03:51,344 I mean, it's, it's a little crazy in America using, just using the wrong, wrong 75 00:03:51,344 --> 00:03:55,814 barometer when wins and losses are not a good way to measure anything because. 76 00:03:56,594 --> 00:03:59,564 You can win and, and play terrible or lose and play great. 77 00:04:00,044 --> 00:04:03,014 And so we, we need a new definition of, of success. 78 00:04:03,014 --> 00:04:05,504 And, and, and so much is outta your control when you're 79 00:04:05,504 --> 00:04:08,564 performing in a business and in life and, and sports, everything. 80 00:04:08,924 --> 00:04:13,034 So we really need to re redefine what's, what's, um, what we really want most in 81 00:04:13,034 --> 00:04:17,234 our life and, and with Inner Excellence we focus on, um, training the heart 82 00:04:17,324 --> 00:04:18,824 to, and training it to love most. 83 00:04:18,824 --> 00:04:21,614 What's most empowering because your heart is a control center of your life. 84 00:04:22,394 --> 00:04:26,414 And you have, you quote John Wooden in here on Success. 85 00:04:26,954 --> 00:04:32,114 And I read another book and I can't, I don't know, I think it was, um, well, 86 00:04:32,114 --> 00:04:33,104 I'm not even gonna worry about it. 87 00:04:33,344 --> 00:04:36,674 But they, they had a definition of a success that was very similar and 88 00:04:36,674 --> 00:04:38,294 I think it came from John Wooden. 89 00:04:38,744 --> 00:04:42,554 Also, yours is more expansive than what I had written down. 90 00:04:42,604 --> 00:04:46,804 I had written down peace of mind, a direct result of the effort to become the best. 91 00:04:46,804 --> 00:04:51,124 And in your book you have a more expansive quote, like I said, peace of mind, which 92 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:55,684 is a direct result of self-satisfaction and knowing you made the effort to 93 00:04:55,684 --> 00:04:58,384 become the best of which you're capable. 94 00:04:58,534 --> 00:05:02,104 And those UCLA teams, like you mentioned in the book, uh, 95 00:05:02,104 --> 00:05:04,324 he didn't even scout really. 96 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:04,909 Amen. 97 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:11,779 And he worked on fundamentals and their team and making sure their team was 98 00:05:11,779 --> 00:05:13,729 on top of the best thing they can do. 99 00:05:13,729 --> 00:05:17,209 And then they, you get on the floor and the game plays out. 100 00:05:17,749 --> 00:05:19,429 Maybe talk a little bit more about that. 101 00:05:19,999 --> 00:05:21,859 Uh, well, let, let's look at Scottie Scheffler. 102 00:05:21,859 --> 00:05:22,939 Amazing guy. 103 00:05:22,939 --> 00:05:26,839 World number one golfer, amazing caddy Teddy Scott in Louisiana. 104 00:05:27,259 --> 00:05:30,499 Um, what's the greatest gift that he has? 105 00:05:30,559 --> 00:05:32,209 He's super talented, right? 106 00:05:32,974 --> 00:05:33,664 It's not golf. 107 00:05:34,264 --> 00:05:36,064 Um, it, it would be golf. 108 00:05:36,064 --> 00:05:39,989 If golf made it, um, you know, cured cancer or saved lives or, 109 00:05:39,994 --> 00:05:42,694 or taught people anything that was really, really meaningful. 110 00:05:43,264 --> 00:05:45,994 I mean, it does, it teaches you discipline and, and how to focus 111 00:05:45,994 --> 00:05:47,674 and, and how to, uh, sacrifice. 112 00:05:47,674 --> 00:05:50,194 So there are definitely great things about sports. 113 00:05:51,184 --> 00:05:55,204 But the greatest gift that, that, uh, Scottie Scheffler has is, is his, his 114 00:05:56,404 --> 00:06:01,504 wisdom, which I define as to know who God is and who you are, what God's doing 115 00:06:01,504 --> 00:06:02,944 in the world, and how you can fit in. 116 00:06:03,184 --> 00:06:06,934 Or another way you can say it is wisdom is, is, uh, an expansive view 117 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:11,674 of possibilities and an an obstructive view of connections to people and 118 00:06:11,674 --> 00:06:13,594 to God, and to, and to yourself. 119 00:06:13,594 --> 00:06:14,644 Your, your true self. 120 00:06:15,274 --> 00:06:16,774 And so, um. 121 00:06:17,194 --> 00:06:20,914 It's important to, to recognize that western culture is obsessed 122 00:06:20,914 --> 00:06:22,384 with the symbols of success. 123 00:06:22,714 --> 00:06:22,804 Okay. 124 00:06:22,894 --> 00:06:24,574 When it's, it's such an illusion. 125 00:06:24,574 --> 00:06:26,734 'cause we can, you can spend your whole life pursuing that and 126 00:06:26,734 --> 00:06:27,964 never get what you really want. 127 00:06:27,964 --> 00:06:30,214 And why do you want that house in the ocean? 128 00:06:30,214 --> 00:06:34,684 Why do you want that, that, uh, trophy or that raise or that nicer car? 129 00:06:34,954 --> 00:06:37,084 It's 'cause you want to have great experiences. 130 00:06:37,084 --> 00:06:38,494 You wanna have a better life, right. 131 00:06:39,264 --> 00:06:42,654 You can have a million followers and a million dollars and have a terrible life. 132 00:06:43,254 --> 00:06:46,584 And so Inner Excellence is about pursuing what's really meaningful 133 00:06:46,584 --> 00:06:47,964 and true with a capital T. 134 00:06:48,804 --> 00:06:49,164 Yeah. 135 00:06:49,494 --> 00:06:50,464 You brought up Scottie Scheffler. 136 00:06:50,484 --> 00:06:55,874 I wrote about him yesterday, I guess, about the, the grind and the consistency 137 00:06:56,144 --> 00:07:00,604 of Scottie you look at that tournament, if you watch it at all or read about 138 00:07:00,604 --> 00:07:03,689 it, and it's just uh, just relentless. 139 00:07:03,744 --> 00:07:08,604 I think I put it relentless consistency was what it was, and then it became 140 00:07:08,604 --> 00:07:10,524 a record setting event for him. 141 00:07:10,854 --> 00:07:15,704 I wanna talk real quickly, golf, because you brought it up and what success is. 142 00:07:16,464 --> 00:07:18,204 This is a personal thing for me. 143 00:07:18,254 --> 00:07:20,264 I played in one golf tournament my entire life. 144 00:07:20,264 --> 00:07:21,164 I'm an okay golfer. 145 00:07:21,164 --> 00:07:23,714 I haven't played in a long time, but played in one golf tournament. 146 00:07:23,714 --> 00:07:24,734 It was a two day event. 147 00:07:25,964 --> 00:07:30,824 And I think the first day, you know, I was like a, at the time, maybe like a 148 00:07:30,944 --> 00:07:33,734 12 or 15 handicap, something like that. 149 00:07:33,734 --> 00:07:37,004 So I shot a 92, the first day, 94, something like that. 150 00:07:37,004 --> 00:07:38,324 I was like, yeah, it was okay. 151 00:07:38,324 --> 00:07:39,344 But I was all over the place. 152 00:07:39,704 --> 00:07:40,634 The next day. 153 00:07:40,934 --> 00:07:46,454 I think I, I'd read somewhere about these Vietnam, prisoners of war where they 154 00:07:46,454 --> 00:07:51,764 would just imagine playing golf in their head and then imagine the course, so I 155 00:07:51,764 --> 00:07:56,054 had to go on a trip and come back like three hours each way later that night. 156 00:07:56,054 --> 00:07:58,094 And so I'm just like thinking the course through. 157 00:07:59,579 --> 00:08:04,899 Well, I get to the 18th hole and I'm like, holy cow, I'm gonna break 90 158 00:08:04,899 --> 00:08:06,909 for maybe the first time in my life. 159 00:08:07,119 --> 00:08:11,269 And like, I'm going, maybe I can make 83 or something if I hit the shot. 160 00:08:12,529 --> 00:08:17,999 So I get over the ball and I do the whole thing, like it is, I'm on it. 161 00:08:17,999 --> 00:08:21,949 I hit the shot and I'm, I, I got it. 162 00:08:21,949 --> 00:08:23,974 I know, I know my distance, everything. 163 00:08:24,389 --> 00:08:29,559 I shank it in the water, and I'm like, holy cow. 164 00:08:29,769 --> 00:08:34,229 But then, through this whole discipline thing, I just collected myself, got 165 00:08:34,229 --> 00:08:35,849 the bogey, and got out of there. 166 00:08:36,089 --> 00:08:39,089 Still made a, and I end up like thinking I was stressing out. 167 00:08:39,089 --> 00:08:42,389 Like I wasn't gonna finish in the top, but it turned out that I did. 168 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:45,119 But anyway, the point is I tell people this all the time. 169 00:08:45,689 --> 00:08:47,864 I didn't lose on that shank. 170 00:08:47,924 --> 00:08:49,994 I did everything I was prepared to. 171 00:08:49,994 --> 00:08:55,934 It was just a bad hit or bad luck, and so I felt, you know, that was a 172 00:08:56,234 --> 00:09:00,644 very successful round, even though I shanked it on 18, which if you 173 00:09:00,644 --> 00:09:02,205 go to the pros, you know, you'd be. 174 00:09:03,434 --> 00:09:07,084 Talked about as the, goat, not the greatest of all time, but the real, the 175 00:09:07,084 --> 00:09:08,944 van de Velde or whatever it might be. 176 00:09:09,604 --> 00:09:12,724 But I'm like, I would've done everything the same and I still felt fine. 177 00:09:12,724 --> 00:09:19,244 So I think that type of success, 'cause I bettered my personal, 178 00:09:20,114 --> 00:09:21,134 you know, I, I beat my self. 179 00:09:21,209 --> 00:09:21,449 Mm-hmm. 180 00:09:21,449 --> 00:09:23,814 You know, my previous self, I guess is what I'm saying. 181 00:09:23,814 --> 00:09:24,804 So I don't know if you have any 182 00:09:25,104 --> 00:09:26,034 Yeah, that's great. 183 00:09:26,034 --> 00:09:26,814 And how that, it's 184 00:09:26,814 --> 00:09:31,644 also, uh, um, likely that, uh, part of your mind was thinking about the future 185 00:09:31,644 --> 00:09:33,564 a little bit when you're on, on 18. 186 00:09:33,564 --> 00:09:34,314 Is that possible? 187 00:09:34,644 --> 00:09:34,794 It, 188 00:09:35,004 --> 00:09:36,654 a little bit, but you know, I was, I was, 189 00:09:36,654 --> 00:09:38,034 I'd like to get a good score here. 190 00:09:38,034 --> 00:09:39,594 I might finish with a good score. 191 00:09:39,594 --> 00:09:41,004 I just got one more hole I could. 192 00:09:41,604 --> 00:09:43,254 Just finished this score, this whole, okay. 193 00:09:43,254 --> 00:09:44,964 And now it'll end up being a great day. 194 00:09:45,264 --> 00:09:45,624 Yeah. 195 00:09:45,744 --> 00:09:46,944 It was very, very common. 196 00:09:47,154 --> 00:09:47,484 Yeah. 197 00:09:47,604 --> 00:09:48,954 Well anyway, yeah. 198 00:09:49,014 --> 00:09:54,354 So you work with golfers, you work with baseball teams or baseball players. 199 00:09:54,694 --> 00:09:59,914 You're a former baseball player yourself, and am I correct that you 200 00:09:59,914 --> 00:10:01,264 went to Portland State University? 201 00:10:02,014 --> 00:10:02,494 That's right. 202 00:10:02,494 --> 00:10:03,154 The Vikings, 203 00:10:03,604 --> 00:10:04,204 Vikings. 204 00:10:04,264 --> 00:10:05,524 I grew up in Portland, Oregon. 205 00:10:05,959 --> 00:10:06,199 My, 206 00:10:06,199 --> 00:10:06,619 oh wow. 207 00:10:06,829 --> 00:10:10,129 My mentor of probably all mentors is Jack Dunn. 208 00:10:11,779 --> 00:10:12,439 Really? 209 00:10:12,529 --> 00:10:12,889 Yeah. 210 00:10:12,889 --> 00:10:13,399 Jack Dunn. 211 00:10:13,489 --> 00:10:14,179 That's amazing. 212 00:10:14,179 --> 00:10:14,899 My coach. 213 00:10:15,019 --> 00:10:16,069 Yeah, your coach. 214 00:10:16,099 --> 00:10:20,049 So, and Mike Wantland, who you probably know from around. 215 00:10:20,049 --> 00:10:20,739 Oh my gosh. 216 00:10:20,829 --> 00:10:25,839 He is probably one of my biggest advocates in the game of baseball too. 217 00:10:26,439 --> 00:10:26,799 And so, 218 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:27,099 oh my gosh. 219 00:10:27,249 --> 00:10:31,419 I grew up with those guys going their camps and yeah, eventually 220 00:10:31,419 --> 00:10:33,549 I worked with Coach Dunn. 221 00:10:33,619 --> 00:10:34,249 That's amazing. 222 00:10:34,459 --> 00:10:34,879 But yeah. 223 00:10:35,109 --> 00:10:38,709 So, you went from Portland State to the Cubs organization? 224 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:40,569 That's about five years, right. 225 00:10:41,439 --> 00:10:41,769 And yeah. 226 00:10:41,769 --> 00:10:43,569 Three years of the Cubs and then two years independent. 227 00:10:43,929 --> 00:10:44,319 Okay. 228 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:45,129 All right. 229 00:10:45,309 --> 00:10:51,589 And so I was gonna ask how did the, your time as a pro athlete, 230 00:10:52,219 --> 00:10:54,649 help you understand this? 231 00:10:54,679 --> 00:11:01,129 Or was it, did you understand it at all in college or the pros or, 232 00:11:01,549 --> 00:11:01,759 yeah. 233 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:01,849 So, uh, 234 00:11:01,969 --> 00:11:06,379 and then I know you took your journey into the desert, you talk about, 235 00:11:06,529 --> 00:11:11,619 but did you know anything about what you're talking about now back then? 236 00:11:12,249 --> 00:11:13,179 I sure could have used it. 237 00:11:13,179 --> 00:11:15,699 That definitely would've been, uh, uh, nice. 238 00:11:16,364 --> 00:11:20,169 I, I started studying sports psychology probably when I was 17. 239 00:11:20,169 --> 00:11:24,939 My head coach in, uh, high school in Kent, Washington Larry Book said, Hey, um, 240 00:11:24,939 --> 00:11:27,099 you should read, uh, sports psychology. 241 00:11:27,099 --> 00:11:28,869 Here's a book, and it's called Mental Toughness Training 242 00:11:28,869 --> 00:11:30,349 for Sports by Dr. Jim Loehr. 243 00:11:30,699 --> 00:11:33,099 I carried that book with me for years and years everywhere. 244 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:36,279 And, uh, I always remember one, one thing he said was that. 245 00:11:36,729 --> 00:11:40,539 The correct emotional response to a problem is 75% of the solution. 246 00:11:41,139 --> 00:11:41,439 Hmm. 247 00:11:41,709 --> 00:11:47,079 And so now having emotional stability and behavioral flexibility, being able 248 00:11:47,079 --> 00:11:50,349 to adapt to any situation, it's one of the five skills of Inner Excellence. 249 00:11:51,129 --> 00:11:53,379 So, um, yeah. 250 00:11:53,379 --> 00:11:54,279 Remind me of the question. 251 00:11:55,089 --> 00:11:59,499 Oh, I was gonna say, how did your time as a professional athlete 252 00:12:00,189 --> 00:12:01,629 in inform where you are now. 253 00:12:01,659 --> 00:12:02,049 Yeah. 254 00:12:02,469 --> 00:12:02,859 Yeah. 255 00:12:02,859 --> 00:12:07,329 So a lot of failure, um, a lot of, uh, struggle and loneliness. 256 00:12:07,329 --> 00:12:08,469 It was, it was really hard. 257 00:12:08,859 --> 00:12:12,519 I had a vision problem that really, um, ended my career, but I 258 00:12:12,519 --> 00:12:15,909 struggled with it for my, uh, almost my entire professional career. 259 00:12:16,209 --> 00:12:17,109 I didn't know that. 260 00:12:17,109 --> 00:12:22,869 And one of the biggest, um, loneliest things for me are we, 261 00:12:22,869 --> 00:12:24,339 you know, we're created for love. 262 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:26,724 I shouldn't say, you know, but that's our, our, our number 263 00:12:26,724 --> 00:12:28,974 one need is unconditional love. 264 00:12:28,974 --> 00:12:31,734 And our greatest desire is to be fully known and fully loved. 265 00:12:32,454 --> 00:12:35,754 And so when I signed with the Cubs, you know, everyone's rooting for 266 00:12:35,754 --> 00:12:39,654 me in Portland and Seattle and I felt like I let everybody down. 267 00:12:40,314 --> 00:12:44,514 And, um, also, I didn't really understand why I was not performing well and. 268 00:12:44,994 --> 00:12:49,014 I was like, man, I just feel so bad about all these relationships that 269 00:12:49,014 --> 00:12:50,184 I had that were rooting for me. 270 00:12:50,604 --> 00:12:55,104 And I didn't know that I had a, a serious vision problem, um, for my, especially 271 00:12:55,104 --> 00:12:56,724 the first three years of pro baseball. 272 00:12:57,294 --> 00:13:01,014 Um, but now looking back, it was just amazing, you know, what 273 00:13:01,014 --> 00:13:04,554 God did and teaching me, uh, how to handle, uh, um, adversity. 274 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,714 You know, one of the biggest things we need to learn is how to handle 275 00:13:06,714 --> 00:13:08,634 fear and anxiety and adversity. 276 00:13:09,384 --> 00:13:09,744 Yeah. 277 00:13:10,194 --> 00:13:12,604 So this vision problem, did you know? 278 00:13:12,939 --> 00:13:16,419 You say you didn't know, but do you, did you see signs of it 279 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:17,589 maybe in high school, college, 280 00:13:17,589 --> 00:13:18,669 the hardest thing was 281 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:19,179 or did 282 00:13:19,179 --> 00:13:19,869 not at all? 283 00:13:20,019 --> 00:13:20,469 The game? 284 00:13:20,469 --> 00:13:22,149 Um, I think it started in pro baseball. 285 00:13:22,299 --> 00:13:22,899 Oh, it did? 286 00:13:22,989 --> 00:13:23,409 Okay. 287 00:13:23,979 --> 00:13:27,399 The, and because I think it was a mental thing from, and my subconscious 288 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:31,449 mind, um, my dad was, did not want me to become rich and famous. 289 00:13:31,839 --> 00:13:34,659 Um, kind of ironic how things have turned out. 290 00:13:35,319 --> 00:13:35,739 Um. 291 00:13:37,074 --> 00:13:39,474 The, uh, he thought it would be bad for my character. 292 00:13:39,474 --> 00:13:43,554 And so being a pro athlete was not, um, something that he really wanted for me. 293 00:13:43,644 --> 00:13:46,974 And so, um, I think there was a bit of a mental block there 294 00:13:46,974 --> 00:13:49,614 because when I turned pro, that's when my vision kind of went south. 295 00:13:50,154 --> 00:13:50,214 Yeah. 296 00:13:50,214 --> 00:13:54,474 And the hard thing, there's many hard things to it, but one thing was my, my 297 00:13:54,474 --> 00:13:59,574 eye chart vision was better than 20/20, so I didn't know that I had a problem. 298 00:13:59,994 --> 00:14:03,864 It's just what I, so what happened was I was struggling in school at the 299 00:14:03,864 --> 00:14:08,484 University of Washington and I remember having headaches when I would read and 300 00:14:08,484 --> 00:14:13,434 buying a can of Coke to read, uh, with, and then I finally went to the eye 301 00:14:13,434 --> 00:14:17,274 doctor for some reason, and she checked my dynamic visual acuity and, and which 302 00:14:17,274 --> 00:14:20,664 is the ability for your muscles to work together to track moving objects, 303 00:14:21,024 --> 00:14:22,734 which is very helpful in baseball. 304 00:14:23,784 --> 00:14:23,786 Pretty, yeah. 305 00:14:23,791 --> 00:14:25,044 Pretty good skill to have in. 306 00:14:25,824 --> 00:14:28,014 And so she checks it and she says, oh, okay. 307 00:14:28,014 --> 00:14:29,334 I see the problem here. 308 00:14:29,724 --> 00:14:32,994 And, uh, um, she said, by the way, what kind of work do you do? 309 00:14:33,594 --> 00:14:35,274 I said, I'm a professional baseball player. 310 00:14:35,544 --> 00:14:37,074 And she said, how did you hit the ball? 311 00:14:37,254 --> 00:14:38,844 I was like, well, it's been hard. 312 00:14:39,654 --> 00:14:40,764 And she was like, whoa. 313 00:14:41,094 --> 00:14:41,364 Yeah. 314 00:14:41,364 --> 00:14:43,224 I can't believe you'd be able to hit the ball without that. 315 00:14:43,464 --> 00:14:46,464 So that was an issue that, that I struggled with, um, my whole career. 316 00:14:46,824 --> 00:14:47,034 Yeah. 317 00:14:47,034 --> 00:14:50,829 So you, but you overcame you work through this thing. 318 00:14:50,829 --> 00:14:55,359 It's just like an almost an intractable problem there, physically, perhaps. 319 00:14:55,459 --> 00:15:01,574 So as far as mentality goes, what would you say the uh, for, for pro 320 00:15:01,574 --> 00:15:06,864 golfers, or pro athletes, what would you say the most common mental blocks 321 00:15:07,164 --> 00:15:08,994 that you see even in high performance? 322 00:15:08,994 --> 00:15:10,484 You, mentioned Scottie Scheffler. 323 00:15:10,894 --> 00:15:11,764 He has down days. 324 00:15:11,764 --> 00:15:13,294 He doesn't win every single tournament. 325 00:15:13,294 --> 00:15:16,324 I mean, he won seven times last year, I think, but first time this year. 326 00:15:16,674 --> 00:15:19,914 And how do you help guys like this Stenson and 327 00:15:19,914 --> 00:15:20,479 there's, well, 328 00:15:20,479 --> 00:15:20,939 Overcome it? 329 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:22,764 there's, there's two mental blocks that I see. 330 00:15:22,884 --> 00:15:26,244 One is, is not being able to let go of your past to become 331 00:15:26,244 --> 00:15:27,414 someone you've never been before. 332 00:15:28,074 --> 00:15:33,624 The other one is, is, uh, um, mental block over some simple skill that you've, 333 00:15:33,684 --> 00:15:38,334 you've always been able to do, but, but then, uh, um, becomes this mental thing. 334 00:15:38,934 --> 00:15:39,084 Mm-hmm. 335 00:15:39,384 --> 00:15:44,044 And so if we talk about the second one first, um, so in 336 00:15:44,044 --> 00:15:45,294 golf, they call it the yips. 337 00:15:45,294 --> 00:15:47,484 And, um, and in the book I mentioned that. 338 00:15:48,624 --> 00:15:52,284 An NFL kicker kickers is generally not gonna have a mental block 339 00:15:52,284 --> 00:15:55,524 on a 55 yard field goal because the expectations are low. 340 00:15:56,124 --> 00:15:59,274 The mental blocks are on the PATs, the easy things, right? 341 00:15:59,334 --> 00:16:02,964 A golfer generally is not gonna have a mental block on a 40 foot putt. 342 00:16:03,324 --> 00:16:06,414 They may have it on a four foot putt because the 343 00:16:06,414 --> 00:16:07,679 expectations get in their mind. 344 00:16:07,719 --> 00:16:10,014 And the fear of failure, fear of being embarrassed. 345 00:16:10,284 --> 00:16:14,754 And so what we wanna do is, is ask yourself, am I willing to be embarrassed? 346 00:16:14,754 --> 00:16:15,654 Am I willing to fail? 347 00:16:15,654 --> 00:16:19,014 Am I willing to look foolish in order to master my ego? 348 00:16:19,314 --> 00:16:22,464 Do I, do I just want to, uh, be successful in this moment? 349 00:16:22,644 --> 00:16:23,844 Or do I wanna master my ego? 350 00:16:25,554 --> 00:16:28,254 And the ego will say, oh, you just gotta be successful in this moment. 351 00:16:28,254 --> 00:16:29,814 So it's that challenge, 352 00:16:29,994 --> 00:16:30,384 right? 353 00:16:30,754 --> 00:16:35,384 So , I talk about sports a lot and relate, you know, life to sports, and I 354 00:16:35,384 --> 00:16:37,844 mean, you do too, in your book, but how. 355 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:44,309 Uh, so the book really is not a sports book, but it has a lot of 356 00:16:44,309 --> 00:16:47,439 examples from the sports world. 357 00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:55,059 How do you say, all right, we're gonna take these lessons, and this is life. 358 00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:59,439 This is what you're talking about is life, and you know, to be a better 359 00:16:59,439 --> 00:17:01,509 sportsman, better athlete, whatever. 360 00:17:01,959 --> 00:17:04,419 You can use some of these skills, but we, I guess. 361 00:17:06,054 --> 00:17:09,714 When we talk about, you talked about success earlier, we see these bright, 362 00:17:09,714 --> 00:17:13,914 shiny objects in the form of success as championships, Super Bowl wins, 363 00:17:13,964 --> 00:17:16,004 Masters jackets, all that stuff. 364 00:17:16,334 --> 00:17:23,374 How does this work for me or my people who don't do sports, they're just living life. 365 00:17:24,334 --> 00:17:24,544 Yeah. 366 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:28,624 So, so Inner Excellence was developed over five years of, of 50 to 60 367 00:17:28,624 --> 00:17:30,124 hours a week for five years straight. 368 00:17:30,394 --> 00:17:31,959 Um, researching and writing about. 369 00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:35,549 How to be mentally tough in the most, in the toughest pressure 370 00:17:35,549 --> 00:17:37,139 situations in the world. 371 00:17:37,499 --> 00:17:42,179 And so I focused on professional and Olympic athletes, but really, um, 372 00:17:42,239 --> 00:17:45,059 there's a lot of Americans that have a lot more pressure than a pro athlete. 373 00:17:45,179 --> 00:17:49,559 I mean, people working two jobs, there's no off season don't have coaches like 374 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:54,149 me that are, that are, um, you know, guiding them, uh, don't have massage 375 00:17:54,149 --> 00:17:55,829 therapists and trainers and all that. 376 00:17:55,829 --> 00:17:59,129 And so, um, average American may have it harder than the 377 00:17:59,129 --> 00:18:00,449 pro athletes that I work with. 378 00:18:01,234 --> 00:18:04,624 And so, um, Inner Excellence is really about understanding human 379 00:18:04,624 --> 00:18:08,464 behavior, how your mind works, how your subconscious works, how fear 380 00:18:08,464 --> 00:18:12,154 works, and, uh, especially, um, what the heart deeply needs and 381 00:18:12,154 --> 00:18:14,464 how, and, uh, um, how to train it. 382 00:18:15,544 --> 00:18:21,304 And so, um, Inner Excellence is about training the heart and, and, um, I mean, 383 00:18:21,304 --> 00:18:23,314 you can think about if you're a listener. 384 00:18:25,369 --> 00:18:28,729 Self-centeredness is the biggest challenge that we face in performance and in life. 385 00:18:28,999 --> 00:18:33,379 And it leads to three things that really, um, um, become huge obstacles. 386 00:18:33,379 --> 00:18:35,029 And one is over analysis. 387 00:18:35,329 --> 00:18:37,969 Just way too many thoughts from way too many concerns. 388 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:42,559 And then the other one is, is, uh, negative thinking or judgmental thinking, 389 00:18:42,649 --> 00:18:46,729 laying down a negative verdict on yourself or someone else, or circumstance when 390 00:18:46,729 --> 00:18:47,959 you don't have all the information. 391 00:18:48,754 --> 00:18:52,894 Often in life, we, we always know what we want or generally know what 392 00:18:52,894 --> 00:18:54,544 we want and know what we don't want. 393 00:18:55,144 --> 00:18:58,924 Um, like I always have given a choice, hot tub or poke in the 394 00:18:58,924 --> 00:19:00,634 eye a hundred percent of the time. 395 00:19:00,634 --> 00:19:01,474 I choose the hot tub. 396 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:02,794 I'm always going for comfort. 397 00:19:02,824 --> 00:19:03,964 That's my human nature. 398 00:19:04,504 --> 00:19:07,654 But that's not, um, often it's not the best thing for me. 399 00:19:07,654 --> 00:19:11,314 May not be poke in the eye, but the best possible life has one 400 00:19:11,314 --> 00:19:12,754 foot in joy, one foot in suffering. 401 00:19:12,754 --> 00:19:13,714 That's how we grow. 402 00:19:14,134 --> 00:19:15,514 That's how life was created. 403 00:19:16,354 --> 00:19:19,984 Uh, um, we need to break down the muscles in order to get stronger. 404 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:20,629 Hmm. 405 00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:24,709 The third big obstacle that comes is, is this, uh, um, 406 00:19:25,099 --> 00:19:28,429 self-consciousness concern from, for what other people think about you. 407 00:19:28,879 --> 00:19:32,569 The ego amplifies our deep need to be fully known and fully loved, and 408 00:19:32,569 --> 00:19:37,009 says, Hey, if you get this success, this symbol of success, then you're 409 00:19:37,009 --> 00:19:38,179 gonna get what you really want. 410 00:19:38,179 --> 00:19:40,879 And so many people, perhaps most people. 411 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:45,629 And perhaps most people that are talented in some area get fall into 412 00:19:45,629 --> 00:19:49,259 this trap where they just obsess about getting more success because it's 413 00:19:49,259 --> 00:19:53,249 gonna give them that temporary positive feeling that they, that they, uh, want 414 00:19:53,699 --> 00:19:57,149 when they don't realize that they're missing out on the whole candy store. 415 00:19:57,519 --> 00:19:58,629 It's of abundance and joy, 416 00:19:58,629 --> 00:20:04,219 do you think it's helpful for people to have this definition of success to walk 417 00:20:04,219 --> 00:20:07,339 around with and reframe what that means. 418 00:20:07,339 --> 00:20:13,069 I, I just don't see a whole lot of Americans, maybe people in the entire 419 00:20:13,069 --> 00:20:16,729 world understand what we mean by success. 420 00:20:16,739 --> 00:20:21,824 It's this ethereal thing, but it's what Wooden says. 421 00:20:21,824 --> 00:20:25,064 It's ultimately peace of mind, and you can go full stop there. 422 00:20:25,454 --> 00:20:27,134 Uh, success is peace of mind. 423 00:20:27,194 --> 00:20:32,654 But do people, do you see people searching for peace of mind or 424 00:20:32,654 --> 00:20:36,194 is that your work Does is help those people who are searching? 425 00:20:36,674 --> 00:20:40,454 Anxiety is at, at epidemic levels in America and around the world, and 426 00:20:40,454 --> 00:20:44,054 especially in America, we have the, the most affluence and the most anxiety 427 00:20:44,624 --> 00:20:46,754 and uh, and that's not a coincidence. 428 00:20:47,099 --> 00:20:50,939 People are obsessing about temporary, superficial things because they 429 00:20:50,939 --> 00:20:53,759 feel, because they, they don't have this deeper understanding. 430 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:56,399 They feel if I get these temporary, superficial things, 431 00:20:56,729 --> 00:20:58,379 it's gonna gimme what I want most. 432 00:20:58,709 --> 00:20:58,799 Mm-hmm. 433 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:03,479 Which is the, the quote, love that I get from, I, I'll be somebody, I'll be enough. 434 00:21:04,154 --> 00:21:06,974 So people are constantly trying to get more things, get enough 435 00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:10,184 and, and do enough so they can be enough, but they're never enough. 436 00:21:10,184 --> 00:21:11,144 It's never gonna work. 437 00:21:11,624 --> 00:21:15,164 We need something deeper than, than material success and rewards. 438 00:21:15,584 --> 00:21:18,074 We need to, we need a heart that's transformed, one that 439 00:21:18,074 --> 00:21:19,874 loves and, and lives fully. 440 00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:21,044 Mm-hmm. 441 00:21:21,579 --> 00:21:21,869 Yeah. 442 00:21:22,244 --> 00:21:26,654 And you talked about over analysis being one of the things, and we, in 443 00:21:26,654 --> 00:21:32,084 baseball, we often talk about paralysis by analysis, where you just can't. 444 00:21:32,774 --> 00:21:35,744 You start thinking about things so much that you can't do 445 00:21:35,744 --> 00:21:38,954 anything or your muscle seize up. 446 00:21:38,984 --> 00:21:45,094 And then it's anxiety on the ball field or whatnot, and, the mental 447 00:21:45,094 --> 00:21:51,594 thing becomes physical in many ways, so I think perhaps it's anxiety. 448 00:21:52,024 --> 00:21:58,594 Overabundance of anxiety in America is perhaps also correlated with physical 449 00:22:00,604 --> 00:22:02,064 issues too, with people. 450 00:22:02,064 --> 00:22:03,449 Would you agree or disagree? 451 00:22:03,449 --> 00:22:03,649 Yeah. 452 00:22:04,229 --> 00:22:04,649 And, uh. 453 00:22:06,744 --> 00:22:09,114 In pro baseball, I work with a lot of pro baseball players. 454 00:22:09,444 --> 00:22:13,914 It's a unique sport because it's, there's 162 games plus we got, uh, 455 00:22:13,944 --> 00:22:18,444 preseason and postseason and it's, it's, um, you're immersed in this 456 00:22:18,444 --> 00:22:20,604 culture that's obsessed with results. 457 00:22:20,604 --> 00:22:23,964 It's baseball is so statistically oriented. 458 00:22:23,999 --> 00:22:26,884 And so stats are never a present thing. 459 00:22:26,884 --> 00:22:29,164 But if you wanna be great, you, you need to be present. 460 00:22:29,689 --> 00:22:32,539 And yet they're immersed in a culture that's obsessed 461 00:22:32,539 --> 00:22:34,189 about this past future number. 462 00:22:34,669 --> 00:22:37,819 And, uh, it's really hard to be when you're, you're hard to be your true 463 00:22:37,819 --> 00:22:41,449 self and hard to have this peace and joy and freedom when you're in a 464 00:22:41,449 --> 00:22:44,719 culture immersed in a culture that's obsessed about the, the opposite. 465 00:22:44,719 --> 00:22:48,109 This, the, the temporary superficial things that come and go and you 466 00:22:48,109 --> 00:22:49,519 can't, don't have full control over. 467 00:22:49,849 --> 00:22:50,149 Hmm. 468 00:22:50,899 --> 00:22:51,199 Yeah. 469 00:22:51,199 --> 00:22:57,149 And as far as baseball goes, you've had a long career both in and around the game. 470 00:22:58,334 --> 00:23:02,059 I'm interested in something I think you more or less offhandedly 471 00:23:02,059 --> 00:23:05,679 mentioned in the book and that you talked about Olympic athletes. 472 00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:11,109 You were an Olympic coach for South Africa, which I didn't 473 00:23:11,109 --> 00:23:12,219 even know had a baseball team. 474 00:23:12,219 --> 00:23:14,289 I think I saw them play in the World Baseball Classic one time. 475 00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:17,329 But, can you tell me about how you got into that and how you 476 00:23:18,289 --> 00:23:18,619 Yeah. 477 00:23:18,619 --> 00:23:21,409 It was a, a really miracle how God has got in my life. 478 00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:21,979 I've, I've, uh. 479 00:23:22,234 --> 00:23:26,374 I had so many times where I felt like a failure and uh, now I look back, 480 00:23:26,374 --> 00:23:27,754 I see it was all training for me. 481 00:23:28,654 --> 00:23:31,714 I got the, I went to grad school, did my master's in coaching science. 482 00:23:31,749 --> 00:23:35,344 I, I interviewed 39 major league baseball managers and GMs and 483 00:23:35,344 --> 00:23:38,224 college and professional coaches on how to build a championship team. 484 00:23:38,614 --> 00:23:42,094 I did all of that so I can get a job with the Texas Rangers because I thought 485 00:23:42,094 --> 00:23:45,544 after coaching one year of high school baseball in O'Dea high school, inner 486 00:23:45,544 --> 00:23:47,854 city Seattle, and we didn't lose a game. 487 00:23:48,544 --> 00:23:50,794 I thought, oh, my destiny is to be a superstar majors league 488 00:23:50,794 --> 00:23:52,294 manager, not a not a player. 489 00:23:52,354 --> 00:23:54,784 And so I went to this path of getting the master's in coaching 490 00:23:54,784 --> 00:23:58,624 science with this long-term plan of getting a job in pro baseball. 491 00:23:59,539 --> 00:24:04,219 I, I end up getting the job two weeks after graduation and, uh, um, and then 492 00:24:04,219 --> 00:24:05,569 I quit halfway through the season. 493 00:24:05,629 --> 00:24:09,859 That first season, it just was not a box that I was could fit into at, at the 494 00:24:09,859 --> 00:24:12,019 time I thought I was complete failure. 495 00:24:12,469 --> 00:24:15,889 Now, looking back, I was, it was like, uh, um, they were, they were 496 00:24:15,889 --> 00:24:20,149 boxing me in and, and, uh, I, I had got a far greater things for me to do. 497 00:24:20,449 --> 00:24:22,819 . So that was, um, 1999. 498 00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:25,069 You know, just what am I gonna do with my life now? 499 00:24:25,099 --> 00:24:27,859 Then I get a call from Major League Baseball and said, would you be interested 500 00:24:27,859 --> 00:24:31,639 in coaching South Africa, being their, uh, hitting coach for their Olympic trials? 501 00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:34,969 And, uh, I said, where will I be, um, based? 502 00:24:34,969 --> 00:24:37,309 And they said, Johannesburg, which at the time was one of the 503 00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:40,039 most considered, one of the most dangerous cities in the world, right? 504 00:24:40,249 --> 00:24:41,449 So I thought, are they asking me? 505 00:24:41,449 --> 00:24:42,949 'cause everyone else has turned it down. 506 00:24:43,429 --> 00:24:44,929 And, uh, I'm choice number 20. 507 00:24:45,439 --> 00:24:48,049 Um, but I took, I took the job and, um. 508 00:24:49,264 --> 00:24:50,944 The most amazing experience of my life. 509 00:24:50,944 --> 00:24:51,004 Yeah. 510 00:24:51,004 --> 00:24:52,654 I'm still friends with that whole group. 511 00:24:52,684 --> 00:24:56,554 Uh, in South Africa, our bat boy Gift Ngoepe was living in the 512 00:24:56,554 --> 00:24:58,054 tool shed of our baseball field 513 00:24:59,154 --> 00:24:59,504 Pirates! 514 00:24:59,524 --> 00:25:00,006 That's right, that's right. 515 00:25:00,394 --> 00:25:02,734 He lived in the tool shed of our baseball field with his mother and 516 00:25:02,734 --> 00:25:06,964 little brother, and just the most amazing story first, uh, African player 517 00:25:07,144 --> 00:25:08,734 born, ever to play in the big leagues. 518 00:25:09,124 --> 00:25:09,604 Yeah. 519 00:25:10,084 --> 00:25:10,504 Gift. 520 00:25:10,504 --> 00:25:12,604 I remember reading about him in Sports Illustrated or, 521 00:25:12,609 --> 00:25:12,889 yeah. 522 00:25:13,204 --> 00:25:13,444 Yeah. 523 00:25:13,444 --> 00:25:13,894 He is awesome. 524 00:25:14,314 --> 00:25:14,644 Yeah. 525 00:25:14,644 --> 00:25:15,304 Well, great. 526 00:25:15,554 --> 00:25:17,314 And you've got to know Tom Trebelhorn. 527 00:25:17,314 --> 00:25:19,054 I take it from reading in your book. 528 00:25:19,054 --> 00:25:19,114 Yeah. 529 00:25:19,414 --> 00:25:20,094 Tom Trebelhorn is 530 00:25:20,209 --> 00:25:20,359 Yeah 531 00:25:20,374 --> 00:25:23,794 a Portland guy, played high school baseball for Coach Dunn. 532 00:25:24,454 --> 00:25:25,024 I don't know if you knew that. 533 00:25:25,084 --> 00:25:25,234 Yeah. 534 00:25:26,044 --> 00:25:27,034 Played third base. 535 00:25:27,034 --> 00:25:28,354 He talks about him all the time. 536 00:25:28,354 --> 00:25:33,214 You talk to Coach Dunn, he saw how what a great mind for the game Treb had, and 537 00:25:33,214 --> 00:25:36,964 I think Treb was the guy who basically taught Ricky Henderson how to steal bases. 538 00:25:38,264 --> 00:25:39,019 Treb's amazing. 539 00:25:39,019 --> 00:25:42,979 He actually, I was going to Portland State taking the baseball class that 540 00:25:42,979 --> 00:25:46,879 Jack was teaching and he brought Treb in to speak and, and, uh, I just remember, 541 00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:48,739 oh my gosh, this is so incredible. 542 00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:50,989 I mean, there's probably only 25 people in the class. 543 00:25:50,989 --> 00:25:52,459 I was like, how do I get to hear this? 544 00:25:52,999 --> 00:25:53,959 And then, um. 545 00:25:54,739 --> 00:25:57,019 He, so he coached with the Brewers and the Cubs. 546 00:25:57,349 --> 00:26:00,949 He ends up coaching, uh, um, he takes a year and coaches independent 547 00:26:00,949 --> 00:26:02,899 baseball a year that I was playing. 548 00:26:02,899 --> 00:26:05,959 And I had, my eyes were better that year, so I had a great year. 549 00:26:06,349 --> 00:26:07,669 And so I played against him. 550 00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:08,719 We played them in the playoffs. 551 00:26:08,779 --> 00:26:09,379 3 0 7. 552 00:26:11,329 --> 00:26:11,719 Thank you. 553 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:14,899 And then, uh, um, uh. 554 00:26:15,334 --> 00:26:16,624 So Treb and I became friends. 555 00:26:16,624 --> 00:26:20,914 I used to go to, uh, spring training games and, and I would just sit with him, uh, 556 00:26:21,244 --> 00:26:25,294 during the game that he's coaching in the minor leagues and uh, um, watch the game. 557 00:26:25,294 --> 00:26:27,304 And he would just be telling me, I was like, Hey, tell me about 558 00:26:27,304 --> 00:26:28,564 this, or why, what about that? 559 00:26:28,564 --> 00:26:29,944 And, and all these amazing things. 560 00:26:30,184 --> 00:26:30,784 He's brilliant. 561 00:26:30,784 --> 00:26:31,354 Baseball mind. 562 00:26:31,714 --> 00:26:31,954 Yeah. 563 00:26:32,074 --> 00:26:35,674 He always was like, Jim, uh, uh, you just gotta keep it simple. 564 00:26:35,854 --> 00:26:37,054 It's, it's just human nature. 565 00:26:37,054 --> 00:26:38,554 You just gotta understand human behavior. 566 00:26:39,299 --> 00:26:40,569 Coach Dunn, you talked to him. 567 00:26:40,569 --> 00:26:44,679 He, he hit 3 0 2 in the Texas-Arizona League one year, so, you know, that's his, 568 00:26:46,074 --> 00:26:46,634 I love Jack. 569 00:26:46,704 --> 00:26:46,994 Yeah. 570 00:26:46,994 --> 00:26:47,194 Yeah, 571 00:26:47,194 --> 00:26:47,554 he's awesome. 572 00:26:47,734 --> 00:26:49,209 I will tell him you say hi 573 00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:49,969 Yeah, please. 574 00:26:50,219 --> 00:26:50,399 , Thank you. 575 00:26:50,399 --> 00:26:53,189 All right, well, I think we're running short on time. 576 00:26:53,189 --> 00:26:54,629 Jim, it's been a pleasure. 577 00:26:54,989 --> 00:26:57,839 Glad to get to know you a bit and, best of luck. 578 00:26:57,899 --> 00:26:58,889 Inner Excellence. 579 00:26:59,669 --> 00:27:03,179 Train your mind for extraordinary performance in the best possible life. 580 00:27:03,589 --> 00:27:04,459 Any last words? 581 00:27:05,249 --> 00:27:06,269 Sell the, soap 582 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:08,219 thanks so much, Brian. 583 00:27:08,219 --> 00:27:08,609 Yeah. 584 00:27:08,609 --> 00:27:08,969 Um. 585 00:27:09,929 --> 00:27:12,809 I, I think it's, there's so much fear and anxiety in America 586 00:27:12,809 --> 00:27:14,639 today and, and the need is great. 587 00:27:14,639 --> 00:27:18,149 And what America needs is, is you the listener, to be their true self, 588 00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:22,229 to, to focus on what's possible and, and true about themselves. 589 00:27:22,229 --> 00:27:25,499 And, and you don't know who you can become and what's possible in your life. 590 00:27:25,499 --> 00:27:28,679 So, um, that's why it's so important to continue to learn and grow. 591 00:27:28,919 --> 00:27:31,109 Um, I'm excited to, uh. 592 00:27:31,724 --> 00:27:34,904 Uh, be here and, and hopefully meet all the listeners. 593 00:27:35,294 --> 00:27:38,474 Um, you can follow me on, uh, at Inner Excellence.com, the newsletter. 594 00:27:38,474 --> 00:27:43,004 Sign up for the VIP newsletter or uh, um, follow me on Instagram Inner Excellence, 595 00:27:43,004 --> 00:27:44,684 Jim Murphy or other social media. 596 00:27:45,104 --> 00:27:48,854 Yeah, I did all that this week 'cause I saw that call to action. 597 00:27:48,854 --> 00:27:50,234 So you gotta do the call to action 598 00:27:50,624 --> 00:27:50,834 awesome 599 00:27:50,834 --> 00:27:52,124 book and on the website. 600 00:27:53,024 --> 00:27:53,534 Thanks Jim. 601 00:27:54,194 --> 00:27:54,524 Okay, 602 00:27:54,524 --> 00:27:54,734 thanks.