1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,857 The first highlight on the 2 00:00:02,961 --> 00:00:05,625 Donald Trump's preferred way 3 00:00:05,665 --> 00:00:08,121 You know, at Zapright in 4 00:00:08,153 --> 00:00:11,377 facilitate bitcoin 5 00:00:11,561 --> 00:00:17,393 Now, our key strategy is not 6 00:00:17,449 --> 00:00:19,745 like we don't want to be 7 00:00:19,785 --> 00:00:20,401 E Commerce. 8 00:00:20,433 --> 00:00:21,865 We had a product called 9 00:00:21,905 --> 00:00:25,153 You know, that's not a 10 00:00:25,289 --> 00:00:27,045 but it could get someone started. 11 00:00:27,145 --> 00:00:28,293 Right, Our point of sale. 12 00:00:28,349 --> 00:00:30,005 Think of it that way. 13 00:00:30,085 --> 00:00:33,453 It's not necessarily a 14 00:00:33,589 --> 00:00:35,829 point of sale system at your 15 00:00:35,877 --> 00:00:38,225 but think of it as like a 16 00:00:42,525 --> 00:00:46,061 Welcome to the Business 17 00:00:46,093 --> 00:00:50,005 The show dedicated to helping 18 00:00:50,045 --> 00:00:54,317 business with bitcoin, the 19 00:00:54,461 --> 00:00:57,645 I'm your host, Josh Friedemann 20 00:00:57,725 --> 00:01:01,401 who is the head of product as 21 00:01:01,433 --> 00:01:05,193 for the first ever public 22 00:01:05,289 --> 00:01:05,617 president. 23 00:01:05,681 --> 00:01:07,953 Today on the interview, we're 24 00:01:07,969 --> 00:01:10,441 that Zapright can help 25 00:01:10,473 --> 00:01:11,889 they've recently released. 26 00:01:11,977 --> 00:01:15,045 We're going to get to our 27 00:01:32,468 --> 00:01:34,568 Will, welcome to the podcast. 28 00:01:34,988 --> 00:01:35,588 Thanks, Josh. 29 00:01:35,628 --> 00:01:36,688 Thanks for having me. 30 00:01:37,268 --> 00:01:39,564 I like to start off every 31 00:01:39,596 --> 00:01:42,356 that help us to get to know 32 00:01:42,372 --> 00:01:43,788 us some insight for our own lives. 33 00:01:43,828 --> 00:01:44,900 Are you ready for these? 34 00:01:45,084 --> 00:01:45,692 Sure. 35 00:01:45,820 --> 00:01:47,596 Question number one is this. 36 00:01:47,732 --> 00:01:50,228 When and how did you first 37 00:01:50,308 --> 00:01:50,636 Yeah. 38 00:01:50,692 --> 00:01:53,328 So it was early 2011. 39 00:01:55,508 --> 00:02:01,604 The closest evidence I have of 40 00:02:01,636 --> 00:02:05,828 out in New York City with a 41 00:02:05,868 --> 00:02:08,288 worked on Ron Paul's 42 00:02:09,068 --> 00:02:11,828 We were in soho in a bombed 43 00:02:11,908 --> 00:02:13,148 That's where his call center was. 44 00:02:13,188 --> 00:02:16,116 I think they were working for 45 00:02:16,132 --> 00:02:21,064 was one of the people that 46 00:02:21,096 --> 00:02:22,344 spots and stuff like that. 47 00:02:22,456 --> 00:02:23,872 Had mentioned bitcoin. 48 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:31,028 My brother got into it before 49 00:02:31,928 --> 00:02:33,912 later, half of 2011. 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:40,328 But it was around that time 51 00:02:40,368 --> 00:02:40,944 going on. 52 00:02:41,016 --> 00:02:43,314 Financial crisis I'd gone through. 53 00:02:43,386 --> 00:02:46,946 I'd been a gold bug for six 54 00:02:47,002 --> 00:02:53,666 So I'd already primed myself 55 00:02:53,682 --> 00:02:54,178 in 2011. 56 00:02:54,218 --> 00:02:55,318 It was a fun time. 57 00:02:55,858 --> 00:02:58,722 I'VE talked to a number of 58 00:02:58,770 --> 00:03:01,954 angle who learned about 59 00:03:01,986 --> 00:03:02,458 for it. 60 00:03:02,538 --> 00:03:05,066 As early on, you mentioned 61 00:03:05,082 --> 00:03:05,786 a little bit of time. 62 00:03:05,842 --> 00:03:08,650 It sounds like pretty much 63 00:03:08,674 --> 00:03:12,340 a good grasp of the value or 64 00:03:12,364 --> 00:03:12,908 Is that right? 65 00:03:12,988 --> 00:03:13,404 Sort of. 66 00:03:13,436 --> 00:03:17,368 In 2011, I would say my grasp 67 00:03:18,348 --> 00:03:20,924 I think the things that opened 68 00:03:20,956 --> 00:03:22,980 through the process of 69 00:03:23,004 --> 00:03:23,988 It'd been like six months. 70 00:03:24,028 --> 00:03:29,780 I just started reading 71 00:03:29,844 --> 00:03:31,448 Hayek and stuff like that. 72 00:03:31,988 --> 00:03:38,236 But I'm not an intellectual 73 00:03:38,412 --> 00:03:40,932 The types of things I was 74 00:03:40,940 --> 00:03:41,936 of embarrassing. 75 00:03:42,132 --> 00:03:47,224 Looking back, it solved the 76 00:03:47,256 --> 00:03:48,028 really into. 77 00:03:50,448 --> 00:03:53,848 I remember what I used to brag 78 00:03:53,888 --> 00:03:55,188 the double spin problem. 79 00:03:56,008 --> 00:03:57,088 I didn't really get it. 80 00:03:57,128 --> 00:04:01,136 I'd say it wasn't until later 81 00:04:01,312 --> 00:04:05,864 But I would say that you're 82 00:04:06,056 --> 00:04:10,240 the process of going through 83 00:04:10,264 --> 00:04:14,998 I had a technical background, 84 00:04:15,038 --> 00:04:16,018 open to it. 85 00:04:16,798 --> 00:04:19,854 Where I didn't dismiss it, I 86 00:04:19,886 --> 00:04:24,726 key value propositions very 87 00:04:24,742 --> 00:04:25,678 wrong reasons. 88 00:04:25,838 --> 00:04:27,550 So question number two is this. 89 00:04:27,574 --> 00:04:30,806 What's an insight or fact 90 00:04:30,902 --> 00:04:31,494 understood? 91 00:04:31,606 --> 00:04:38,462 I think simplifying it, the 92 00:04:38,510 --> 00:04:42,596 in 2011 in honestly, it would 93 00:04:42,612 --> 00:04:47,524 in 2011 to get this, is that 94 00:04:47,596 --> 00:04:50,276 supply, but it's credibly enforced. 95 00:04:50,372 --> 00:04:54,004 And how that limited supply is 96 00:04:54,036 --> 00:04:59,236 into bitcoin, if you can get 97 00:04:59,372 --> 00:05:01,788 you know, fall for the 98 00:05:01,828 --> 00:05:05,908 be 21 million, but understand 99 00:05:05,948 --> 00:05:09,792 credible over a very long 100 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,480 else sort of comes naturally 101 00:05:12,664 --> 00:05:17,392 And I would say that, like I 102 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,512 I think correctly, I didn't 103 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:22,024 Right. 104 00:05:22,096 --> 00:05:26,408 And every year that that 105 00:05:26,528 --> 00:05:27,192 Right. 106 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,184 And with different types of 107 00:05:30,216 --> 00:05:34,408 of developer groups in and out 108 00:05:34,448 --> 00:05:39,374 around there, the fact that 109 00:05:39,406 --> 00:05:42,294 long means that I think that 110 00:05:42,326 --> 00:05:48,086 latch onto and that a lot of 111 00:05:48,182 --> 00:05:52,334 sometimes obfuscate that or 112 00:05:52,366 --> 00:05:52,854 that's true. 113 00:05:52,886 --> 00:05:56,774 But it's so incredibly weird. 114 00:05:56,926 --> 00:06:01,430 It's such a weird property of 115 00:06:01,494 --> 00:06:04,338 and it cannot be inflated. 116 00:06:05,118 --> 00:06:09,682 I really feel like that that's 117 00:06:09,730 --> 00:06:14,562 That if everyone understood 118 00:06:14,610 --> 00:06:16,718 different adoption curve to date. 119 00:06:17,378 --> 00:06:19,642 Interesting question number three. 120 00:06:19,690 --> 00:06:23,318 What's the bitcoin resource 121 00:06:23,698 --> 00:06:26,882 This is the one I'm going to 122 00:06:26,930 --> 00:06:27,346 I like. 123 00:06:27,402 --> 00:06:31,426 But what I've always I used to 124 00:06:31,442 --> 00:06:34,186 to give to people when they're 125 00:06:34,282 --> 00:06:37,650 I like to give people Nick 126 00:06:37,794 --> 00:06:39,298 So it doesn't even mention bitcoin. 127 00:06:39,338 --> 00:06:40,342 It was written. 128 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:41,646 Bitcoin was created. 129 00:06:41,742 --> 00:06:45,246 It's hosted up on the Satoshi 130 00:06:45,262 --> 00:06:47,178 Michael Goldstein and Pierre Richard. 131 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:49,438 That itself is a great resource. 132 00:06:49,478 --> 00:06:53,286 But this article in 133 00:06:53,302 --> 00:06:54,150 just a really. 134 00:06:54,254 --> 00:06:57,878 It's a blog post version of 135 00:06:57,918 --> 00:07:00,538 bitcoin, just explaining the 136 00:07:00,878 --> 00:07:09,058 And until I read that I, you 137 00:07:09,718 --> 00:07:11,630 it all just sort of snapped 138 00:07:11,694 --> 00:07:14,038 It's very short, very easy to read. 139 00:07:14,338 --> 00:07:15,914 It doesn't even mention bitcoin. 140 00:07:16,026 --> 00:07:19,354 And from there I would read 141 00:07:19,546 --> 00:07:22,578 Safe Edin's masterpiece again. 142 00:07:22,698 --> 00:07:27,418 It expands on what's shelling 143 00:07:27,498 --> 00:07:30,242 Then of course ends with a lot 144 00:07:30,410 --> 00:07:34,890 And then lastly is Parker 145 00:07:34,914 --> 00:07:36,598 is much newer. 146 00:07:37,098 --> 00:07:38,798 And it's unbelievable. 147 00:07:39,338 --> 00:07:41,958 I can't believe that I know 148 00:07:42,418 --> 00:07:43,878 It's so good. 149 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:48,694 And Parker's an exceptional 150 00:07:48,726 --> 00:07:52,574 it can get people in the 151 00:07:52,646 --> 00:07:57,078 dismissive of the fiat world 152 00:07:57,118 --> 00:07:59,646 wavy about like oh well, 153 00:07:59,702 --> 00:08:05,950 Or is realizing that there are 154 00:08:06,094 --> 00:08:09,134 implementing those policies 155 00:08:09,166 --> 00:08:09,978 they're doing. 156 00:08:10,638 --> 00:08:13,606 It's not a casual hand wave thing. 157 00:08:13,702 --> 00:08:15,230 It's very, very specific. 158 00:08:15,374 --> 00:08:20,094 And then getting into some 159 00:08:20,286 --> 00:08:21,366 I Don't think that way. 160 00:08:21,422 --> 00:08:22,998 And how that relates to Bitcoin. 161 00:08:23,118 --> 00:08:24,298 It's masterful. 162 00:08:25,638 --> 00:08:27,334 Got to read those three things. 163 00:08:27,526 --> 00:08:29,990 I don't know that I've ever 164 00:08:30,014 --> 00:08:30,902 just talking about. 165 00:08:31,030 --> 00:08:35,934 Also, I haven't read the 166 00:08:36,086 --> 00:08:37,198 gradually, then suddenly. 167 00:08:37,278 --> 00:08:41,000 But for obviously I've read 168 00:08:41,024 --> 00:08:44,392 a while we were actually doing 169 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,432 meetup where we were looking 170 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:51,344 And it's really like there are 171 00:08:51,376 --> 00:08:54,568 have never thought of, 172 00:08:54,608 --> 00:08:57,944 if you're pretty new to 173 00:08:58,056 --> 00:09:00,264 but extremely helpful for sure. 174 00:09:00,336 --> 00:09:03,704 So question number four gets 175 00:09:03,856 --> 00:09:08,090 What is a resource, tool or 176 00:09:08,114 --> 00:09:10,210 helpful to you or your work recently? 177 00:09:10,394 --> 00:09:15,522 Sure, I mean, I work in 178 00:09:15,570 --> 00:09:21,938 world of product management, 179 00:09:22,018 --> 00:09:26,770 software, if you're working on 180 00:09:26,914 --> 00:09:32,570 But the principles that make 181 00:09:32,594 --> 00:09:34,118 to do with Bitcoin necessarily. 182 00:09:35,048 --> 00:09:37,816 There are advantages of 183 00:09:37,872 --> 00:09:39,384 protocols and things like that. 184 00:09:39,536 --> 00:09:44,616 But just knowing how to build 185 00:09:44,632 --> 00:09:46,984 sort of thing is something 186 00:09:47,096 --> 00:09:48,936 I knew about Bitcoin. 187 00:09:49,112 --> 00:09:55,296 And so now that I'm building 188 00:09:55,352 --> 00:09:57,600 other people, the domain is Bitcoin. 189 00:09:57,664 --> 00:10:03,664 But the principles that I 190 00:10:03,696 --> 00:10:07,400 started writing about that 191 00:10:07,424 --> 00:10:11,856 of Ignorance XYZ is a blog 192 00:10:11,912 --> 00:10:12,508 development. 193 00:10:12,808 --> 00:10:15,988 Excuse me, but no. 194 00:10:16,368 --> 00:10:19,808 What I focus on more than 195 00:10:19,848 --> 00:10:22,680 of Bitcoin, but of how to 196 00:10:22,864 --> 00:10:28,092 And yeah, I would say I'll 197 00:10:28,180 --> 00:10:29,300 building good products. 198 00:10:29,484 --> 00:10:32,684 So now we have our final, what 199 00:10:32,756 --> 00:10:33,084 question. 200 00:10:33,156 --> 00:10:37,044 And is this as a general life 201 00:10:37,116 --> 00:10:37,964 or why not? 202 00:10:38,036 --> 00:10:39,132 This is the easiest one. 203 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:40,408 This is such a layup. 204 00:10:40,988 --> 00:10:44,372 I don't know how other people 205 00:10:44,420 --> 00:10:44,964 why not? 206 00:10:45,036 --> 00:10:45,348 There's. 207 00:10:45,388 --> 00:10:47,048 There's not a better answer to it. 208 00:10:48,148 --> 00:10:51,572 No, I mean as a general life 209 00:10:51,660 --> 00:10:52,076 Right? 210 00:10:52,172 --> 00:10:58,058 It has to be not paying 211 00:11:00,478 --> 00:11:05,814 licensure or whatever it is in 212 00:11:05,846 --> 00:11:10,654 that the World is made up of 213 00:11:10,766 --> 00:11:15,134 they do it without permission 214 00:11:15,206 --> 00:11:17,766 But why not is way more 215 00:11:17,862 --> 00:11:22,632 And I'm also attracted to 216 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:23,468 mindset. 217 00:11:24,008 --> 00:11:28,552 It's very hard to be an 218 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:29,828 business like I am. 219 00:11:30,288 --> 00:11:31,908 If you're always asking why. 220 00:13:38,622 --> 00:13:43,870 Well, we're here today to talk 221 00:13:43,926 --> 00:13:44,962 from the company. 222 00:13:45,382 --> 00:13:48,270 Listeners will be familiar 223 00:13:48,326 --> 00:13:49,222 recently joined the show. 224 00:13:49,262 --> 00:13:52,758 There are a lot of business 225 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:53,950 in their own businesses. 226 00:13:54,046 --> 00:13:56,534 We've had other people here 227 00:13:56,558 --> 00:13:57,350 out as well. 228 00:13:57,486 --> 00:13:58,526 You're doing great work. 229 00:13:58,614 --> 00:14:03,382 But one thing that really 230 00:14:03,422 --> 00:14:03,694 recently. 231 00:14:03,758 --> 00:14:07,030 John has shared on the show, I 232 00:14:07,046 --> 00:14:09,806 to learn more about the point 233 00:14:09,854 --> 00:14:11,398 It sounds like there's some 234 00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:11,718 as well. 235 00:14:11,750 --> 00:14:14,478 But maybe for those who just 236 00:14:14,510 --> 00:14:17,798 for the first time, if you 237 00:14:17,830 --> 00:14:20,934 what Zapright is and then also 238 00:14:20,958 --> 00:14:24,558 and what it makes possible for 239 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:27,742 have as easily had such a 240 00:14:27,822 --> 00:14:28,750 Sure, Josh. 241 00:14:28,926 --> 00:14:32,214 You know, the first highlight 242 00:14:32,238 --> 00:14:35,542 it's Donald Trump's preferred 243 00:14:35,622 --> 00:14:36,006 Right? 244 00:14:36,094 --> 00:14:36,558 Yeah, that's. 245 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:37,878 I actually forgot about that. 246 00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:38,670 But that's huge. 247 00:14:38,726 --> 00:14:40,242 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 248 00:14:41,422 --> 00:14:43,918 No, but the point of sale is 249 00:14:44,110 --> 00:14:45,582 You know, it's apprite in general. 250 00:14:45,662 --> 00:14:49,326 You know, your audience is 251 00:14:49,454 --> 00:14:50,334 what we do. 252 00:14:50,438 --> 00:14:53,734 You know, we're just trying to 253 00:14:53,798 --> 00:14:55,454 for businesses. 254 00:14:55,638 --> 00:15:01,606 Now our key strategy is not 255 00:15:01,694 --> 00:15:05,638 We don't want to be building 256 00:15:05,790 --> 00:15:08,790 ultimately we want to 257 00:15:08,846 --> 00:15:09,374 out there. 258 00:15:09,478 --> 00:15:12,206 But like we did with E 259 00:15:12,254 --> 00:15:16,070 Payment Links, which is a very 260 00:15:16,086 --> 00:15:21,978 you can set up a simple E 261 00:15:22,130 --> 00:15:25,530 You know, that's not a 262 00:15:25,666 --> 00:15:27,370 but it could get someone started. 263 00:15:27,466 --> 00:15:27,746 Right. 264 00:15:27,794 --> 00:15:28,650 Our point of sale. 265 00:15:28,706 --> 00:15:30,362 Think of it that way. 266 00:15:30,442 --> 00:15:33,810 It's not necessarily a 267 00:15:33,946 --> 00:15:36,186 point of sale system at your 268 00:15:36,234 --> 00:15:39,234 but think of it as like a 269 00:15:39,258 --> 00:15:40,954 to Be just dead simple, right? 270 00:15:41,098 --> 00:15:45,182 Dead simple, which is you can 271 00:15:45,222 --> 00:15:48,998 an iPad or phone to your 272 00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:51,774 card, they can pay with 273 00:15:51,918 --> 00:15:57,822 Really any of the ways that 274 00:15:57,942 --> 00:16:01,534 and typically the way we've 275 00:16:01,558 --> 00:16:04,662 use it as a primary interface 276 00:16:04,782 --> 00:16:08,254 and then they use it as a 277 00:16:08,278 --> 00:16:11,566 like a square point of sale or 278 00:16:11,734 --> 00:16:15,570 But those platforms don't 279 00:16:15,766 --> 00:16:19,274 But they'll use it as a 280 00:16:19,298 --> 00:16:20,794 oh, okay, well we rung you up here. 281 00:16:20,858 --> 00:16:23,354 Here's the total amount if you 282 00:16:23,378 --> 00:16:24,514 lightning or pay on chain. 283 00:16:24,578 --> 00:16:27,874 It's supposed to be very 284 00:16:27,978 --> 00:16:34,146 entry and then yeah, just the 285 00:16:34,194 --> 00:16:35,674 you get on Zapright. 286 00:16:35,818 --> 00:16:39,562 I think that what it will help 287 00:16:39,602 --> 00:16:45,664 like, you know, farmers market 288 00:16:45,688 --> 00:16:49,824 like Pub Key in New York 289 00:16:49,888 --> 00:16:53,824 every single day as a 290 00:16:53,848 --> 00:16:55,652 dead simple way to accept Bitcoin. 291 00:16:55,992 --> 00:16:59,088 I guess one thing that people 292 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,880 that have physical locations, 293 00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:02,088 sale. 294 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,160 I know it's a major headache 295 00:17:06,176 --> 00:17:09,648 is really more additive than 296 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,788 But I'm guessing it does 297 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,420 hardware in order like maybe 298 00:17:17,436 --> 00:17:20,668 that do you need to use as 299 00:17:20,780 --> 00:17:22,396 system that they already have, 300 00:17:22,484 --> 00:17:23,152 Correct. 301 00:17:23,652 --> 00:17:27,412 As of now, you know, we do 302 00:17:27,452 --> 00:17:30,604 larger point of sale systems 303 00:17:30,628 --> 00:17:30,980 time. 304 00:17:31,076 --> 00:17:34,932 You know, they're not 305 00:17:34,972 --> 00:17:39,836 a first class citizen of 306 00:17:39,884 --> 00:17:40,600 ring. 307 00:17:40,796 --> 00:17:43,112 Although that will change over time. 308 00:17:43,232 --> 00:17:44,136 Yeah, it's really. 309 00:17:44,184 --> 00:17:44,440 Yeah. 310 00:17:44,496 --> 00:17:47,052 Companion app is a way to 311 00:17:47,752 --> 00:17:50,744 You don't have to download an 312 00:17:50,768 --> 00:17:53,128 same way you have to be able 313 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,864 So the way Zapright works is 314 00:17:56,888 --> 00:17:57,744 have a wallet. 315 00:17:57,888 --> 00:17:59,560 You bring your own wallet to 316 00:17:59,616 --> 00:18:02,552 So if you already have a place 317 00:18:02,592 --> 00:18:06,160 where it ends up, you can 318 00:18:06,216 --> 00:18:08,656 Zapright and that funds will 319 00:18:08,704 --> 00:18:11,584 So you go through the normal 320 00:18:11,608 --> 00:18:17,660 iPhone or an iPhone iPad as a 321 00:18:17,676 --> 00:18:19,192 know, square system. 322 00:18:19,492 --> 00:18:23,140 And on the point of sale side, 323 00:18:23,196 --> 00:18:26,028 Like it's not doing itemized 324 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:29,372 You probably rung them up, 325 00:18:29,412 --> 00:18:31,228 say, hey, I would like pay 326 00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:37,516 You grab the keypad, you type 327 00:18:37,564 --> 00:18:40,532 you turn it around to them and 328 00:18:40,652 --> 00:18:40,932 Right. 329 00:18:40,972 --> 00:18:44,312 So they're going to pay with a 330 00:18:44,372 --> 00:18:45,872 Phone, almost certainly. 331 00:18:45,952 --> 00:18:49,192 And they can use whatever they 332 00:18:49,272 --> 00:18:50,052 pay with. 333 00:18:50,352 --> 00:18:53,568 And then the funds go directly 334 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,532 backing up your Zapright 335 00:18:55,952 --> 00:18:59,616 You can include lightning and 336 00:18:59,744 --> 00:19:03,332 if you're doing mostly small 337 00:19:03,992 --> 00:19:10,288 So, yeah, it's not supposed to 338 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,532 We're going to replace your 339 00:19:12,872 --> 00:19:16,090 It's in addition to now there 340 00:19:16,106 --> 00:19:18,762 farmer's market or doing 341 00:19:18,922 --> 00:19:21,514 A lot of times everything 342 00:19:21,538 --> 00:19:24,802 like that and you can just 343 00:19:24,962 --> 00:19:28,658 And for people who aren't as 344 00:19:28,690 --> 00:19:35,250 original iteration was a way 345 00:19:35,346 --> 00:19:37,982 but you have a bunch of integrations. 346 00:19:39,282 --> 00:19:42,553 What are the most popular 347 00:19:42,617 --> 00:19:47,065 Well, maybe even including on 348 00:19:47,153 --> 00:19:52,513 but just for people who may 349 00:19:52,537 --> 00:19:56,241 physical location use case if 350 00:19:56,281 --> 00:19:57,033 invoices. 351 00:19:57,177 --> 00:20:01,129 What have you found based off 352 00:20:01,225 --> 00:20:03,425 What are the most popular 353 00:20:03,473 --> 00:20:06,153 for invoices as far as payment 354 00:20:06,257 --> 00:20:07,535 Sure, yeah, that's a great question. 355 00:20:07,633 --> 00:20:11,556 2 Most popular by far are self 356 00:20:11,604 --> 00:20:15,228 So that if you have like a 357 00:20:15,260 --> 00:20:20,244 or cold card, you plug in your 358 00:20:20,268 --> 00:20:23,012 off of that X pub for your 359 00:20:23,092 --> 00:20:23,524 Right. 360 00:20:23,628 --> 00:20:25,356 So that would be the most popular. 361 00:20:25,524 --> 00:20:30,004 The second most popular would 362 00:20:30,188 --> 00:20:34,028 Strike's a very popular 363 00:20:34,060 --> 00:20:34,972 fabulous APIs. 364 00:20:35,012 --> 00:20:36,364 They've been a great partner 365 00:20:36,428 --> 00:20:39,616 And so a Lot of people who 366 00:20:39,624 --> 00:20:40,464 least not right away. 367 00:20:40,528 --> 00:20:42,432 Sometimes it's just an ease of onboarding. 368 00:20:42,512 --> 00:20:44,408 We'll set up a business 369 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,848 It also has the benefit of 370 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:50,452 away. 371 00:20:50,792 --> 00:20:53,812 And then also, you know, on 372 00:20:54,312 --> 00:20:58,520 you know, direct L and D 373 00:20:58,576 --> 00:20:59,056 side. 374 00:20:59,184 --> 00:21:02,440 But in terms of most popular, 375 00:21:02,456 --> 00:21:06,456 an X pub and lightning 376 00:21:06,504 --> 00:21:08,042 the two most popular. 377 00:21:08,162 --> 00:21:09,874 And what are the USD payment options? 378 00:21:09,938 --> 00:21:14,250 Because every once in a while, 379 00:21:14,306 --> 00:21:17,874 customers to pay in bitcoin or 380 00:21:17,938 --> 00:21:22,570 possibility, sometimes a 381 00:21:22,626 --> 00:21:23,262 dollars. 382 00:21:24,122 --> 00:21:25,546 I know you have a stripe integration. 383 00:21:25,594 --> 00:21:30,314 Are there others that are 384 00:21:30,338 --> 00:21:31,226 using Zapright? 385 00:21:31,354 --> 00:21:32,354 Yeah, certainly. 386 00:21:32,498 --> 00:21:34,342 And it's worth backing up a 387 00:21:34,642 --> 00:21:36,058 We're realist at Zapright. 388 00:21:36,090 --> 00:21:39,454 We realize that just because 389 00:21:39,478 --> 00:21:42,894 all of a sudden 100% of your 390 00:21:42,958 --> 00:21:43,326 right? 391 00:21:43,414 --> 00:21:44,318 You have a business to run. 392 00:21:44,350 --> 00:21:45,766 You have obligations in USD. 393 00:21:45,814 --> 00:21:48,238 You probably want some USD on 394 00:21:48,270 --> 00:21:49,002 Bitcoin. 395 00:21:49,302 --> 00:21:52,620 Sometimes that's a 5050 split, 396 00:21:52,703 --> 00:21:54,702 sometimes it's 5% Bitcoin. 397 00:21:54,862 --> 00:21:57,550 So we help you build these 398 00:21:57,606 --> 00:22:00,422 You bring that wallet in, but 399 00:22:00,462 --> 00:22:00,830 in. 400 00:22:00,926 --> 00:22:04,806 And we'll create a unified 401 00:22:04,854 --> 00:22:09,386 between bitcoin and credit 402 00:22:09,434 --> 00:22:12,682 checkout with a lot of options 403 00:22:12,802 --> 00:22:14,234 credit card, right? 404 00:22:14,418 --> 00:22:18,746 And of those fiat options, 405 00:22:18,794 --> 00:22:19,322 popular. 406 00:22:19,442 --> 00:22:23,242 We also have Square and PayPal 407 00:22:23,322 --> 00:22:29,062 So the square one allows for 408 00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:35,366 And then all three of them 409 00:22:35,414 --> 00:22:37,126 Pay Google Pay options. 410 00:22:37,254 --> 00:22:42,246 So again you can have a 411 00:22:42,334 --> 00:22:44,822 credit card, Apple Pay or 412 00:22:44,902 --> 00:22:51,374 Or if it's an invoicing, it 413 00:22:51,438 --> 00:22:52,294 or something like that. 414 00:22:52,358 --> 00:22:58,238 So those fiat options are 415 00:22:58,270 --> 00:22:58,534 allow. 416 00:22:58,598 --> 00:23:03,176 So just like you bring over 417 00:23:03,224 --> 00:23:05,632 account or something like 418 00:23:05,672 --> 00:23:09,272 Square account and then 419 00:23:09,352 --> 00:23:10,688 to be displayed in the checkout. 420 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:17,760 So Credit card, cash app, 421 00:23:17,776 --> 00:23:21,612 know, the list is long and so 422 00:23:22,112 --> 00:23:23,272 you can add in there. 423 00:23:23,392 --> 00:23:27,760 And from what we can see, you 424 00:23:27,816 --> 00:23:29,168 the bitcoin side of things. 425 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:34,040 But I think it's over 80% of 426 00:23:34,136 --> 00:23:37,672 And to be perfectly honest, I 427 00:23:37,712 --> 00:23:41,808 time that It'll be like 90 428 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,812 of the payments will be in fiat. 429 00:23:45,592 --> 00:23:46,384 For a business. 430 00:23:46,448 --> 00:23:50,808 If you're just whether it's 431 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,530 or something like that, look 432 00:23:55,546 --> 00:23:58,142 of those transactions are not 433 00:23:58,482 --> 00:24:00,562 If you're getting 20%, great 434 00:24:00,602 --> 00:24:02,002 You can stack that on your 435 00:24:02,042 --> 00:24:03,034 That's fantastic. 436 00:24:03,138 --> 00:24:06,562 But you still have to operate 437 00:24:06,642 --> 00:24:11,258 And so having the fiat and the 438 00:24:11,290 --> 00:24:13,522 competitive advantage for our customers. 439 00:24:13,682 --> 00:24:16,698 Well, I also love the fact we 440 00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:21,382 but if that's your situation, 441 00:24:21,422 --> 00:24:25,302 need to have XYZ plus Zap, right? 442 00:24:25,382 --> 00:24:26,286 You can just have Zap. 443 00:24:26,334 --> 00:24:26,566 Right. 444 00:24:26,614 --> 00:24:28,598 And therefore you don't have 445 00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:31,294 in dollars or bitcoin and 446 00:24:31,358 --> 00:24:32,238 Who cares if they laugh? 447 00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:35,558 But still it's that extra step 448 00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:38,270 and they can just see there, 449 00:24:38,326 --> 00:24:38,862 huh? 450 00:24:38,982 --> 00:24:41,894 And then they'll probably 451 00:24:41,998 --> 00:24:44,590 But that little nudge has been 452 00:24:44,646 --> 00:24:47,254 I think that's a really neat 453 00:24:47,358 --> 00:24:47,710 Yeah. 454 00:24:47,766 --> 00:24:50,702 And just to add on to that a 455 00:24:50,782 --> 00:24:53,038 One is, you know, I'd 456 00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:56,838 companion app and our payment 457 00:24:56,990 --> 00:25:00,558 They're like a dumbed down 458 00:25:00,590 --> 00:25:03,662 We're not recreating 459 00:25:03,702 --> 00:25:04,494 like that. 460 00:25:04,678 --> 00:25:08,790 Although we do have like a 461 00:25:08,806 --> 00:25:12,950 can do E commerce on 462 00:25:13,086 --> 00:25:14,202 bitcoin payments. 463 00:25:15,062 --> 00:25:18,942 And there will be more 464 00:25:18,982 --> 00:25:19,614 on as well. 465 00:25:19,678 --> 00:25:24,078 So like yeah, there's that 466 00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:27,246 our invoicing in particular is 467 00:25:27,414 --> 00:25:28,682 It's featureful. 468 00:25:29,022 --> 00:25:31,958 If you're used to something 469 00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:35,030 that, where you've been doing 470 00:25:35,046 --> 00:25:38,102 over to Zapright and realize 471 00:25:38,182 --> 00:25:38,822 with QuickBooks. 472 00:25:38,862 --> 00:25:41,574 This already does everything I 473 00:25:41,598 --> 00:25:46,376 Bitcoin side, reporting wise 474 00:25:46,424 --> 00:25:49,720 invoices, we have, you know, 475 00:25:49,776 --> 00:25:50,192 really need. 476 00:25:50,232 --> 00:25:54,456 On the invoice side, feature 477 00:25:54,504 --> 00:25:55,056 options. 478 00:25:55,184 --> 00:25:58,280 While something like a point 479 00:25:58,416 --> 00:26:01,092 Yeah, that was one thing and I 480 00:26:01,712 --> 00:26:05,168 Well, so as you were talking, 481 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,664 which is if someone were to be 482 00:26:07,688 --> 00:26:11,658 hey, I want to get started in 483 00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:16,058 they theoretically have 484 00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:20,394 and if not, what are some of 485 00:26:20,418 --> 00:26:24,842 as not being as robust or 486 00:26:24,962 --> 00:26:26,010 point of sale? 487 00:26:26,186 --> 00:26:30,474 Yeah, I think on the point of 488 00:26:30,498 --> 00:26:33,610 are going to be like, we don't 489 00:26:33,706 --> 00:26:34,178 Right. 490 00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:38,554 So if you're going to pay in 491 00:26:38,578 --> 00:26:39,522 app, that's really simple. 492 00:26:39,562 --> 00:26:43,210 You can do the QR interaction, 493 00:26:43,226 --> 00:26:45,890 trying to pay with a physical 494 00:26:45,946 --> 00:26:46,542 Right. 495 00:26:47,122 --> 00:26:48,882 So that's what I mean by 496 00:26:48,922 --> 00:26:49,502 There. 497 00:26:49,842 --> 00:26:52,266 There's some other small 498 00:26:52,314 --> 00:26:55,586 the gap a little bit and keep 499 00:26:55,594 --> 00:26:55,954 pos. 500 00:26:56,058 --> 00:26:59,914 But again, our actual goal is 501 00:27:00,098 --> 00:27:04,938 Our goal is to integrate with 502 00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:10,550 hardware, they have a great 503 00:27:10,606 --> 00:27:15,486 network there is just to get 504 00:27:15,534 --> 00:27:16,470 or a clover. 505 00:27:16,646 --> 00:27:20,518 So yeah, there's some places 506 00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:25,398 I would also say that if your 507 00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:27,806 these apps, the Cash apps, 508 00:27:27,814 --> 00:27:31,110 that, in a farmer's market, 509 00:27:31,126 --> 00:27:32,842 you're not really missing out 510 00:27:34,062 --> 00:27:38,134 I would compare that Also I 511 00:27:38,158 --> 00:27:41,034 is, you know, there's always 512 00:27:41,058 --> 00:27:44,074 put Fiat and Bitcoin side by 513 00:27:44,138 --> 00:27:46,034 do you want more Bitcoin products? 514 00:27:46,098 --> 00:27:51,586 So we are Bitcoin sales is 515 00:27:51,634 --> 00:27:54,946 discounts and premiums based 516 00:27:55,114 --> 00:27:57,938 Not really method, but currency. 517 00:27:58,090 --> 00:27:58,522 Right. 518 00:27:58,602 --> 00:28:01,482 So if you're paying in 519 00:28:01,522 --> 00:28:04,074 or if you're paying in fiat, 520 00:28:04,178 --> 00:28:04,826 Right. 521 00:28:04,994 --> 00:28:07,276 Regardless of what, what the 522 00:28:07,324 --> 00:28:09,732 Credit card ach, app based or whatever. 523 00:28:09,812 --> 00:28:10,708 That's really cool. 524 00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:14,500 So one other thing you 525 00:28:14,596 --> 00:28:16,476 was your API. 526 00:28:16,524 --> 00:28:19,484 So I'd love for you to talk a 527 00:28:19,508 --> 00:28:22,052 maybe some of the 528 00:28:22,092 --> 00:28:22,476 owners. 529 00:28:22,564 --> 00:28:27,072 Yeah, the API is new, like the 530 00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:29,116 It's really great. 531 00:28:29,244 --> 00:28:33,188 We've had some people use it 532 00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:35,172 what it's used for is E commerce. 533 00:28:35,212 --> 00:28:39,416 So if you have created your 534 00:28:39,464 --> 00:28:43,064 using a platform like 535 00:28:43,088 --> 00:28:43,584 or something like that. 536 00:28:43,608 --> 00:28:47,600 If you have sort of a 537 00:28:47,656 --> 00:28:49,968 of any kind, you can use our API. 538 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,984 It's very simple to create 539 00:28:54,008 --> 00:28:54,456 pay. 540 00:28:54,584 --> 00:28:57,672 You would set up the same way 541 00:28:57,792 --> 00:29:01,320 You'd connect your wallet, 542 00:29:01,376 --> 00:29:05,666 and then you send us the 543 00:29:05,714 --> 00:29:08,106 a fabulous checkout experience 544 00:29:08,234 --> 00:29:12,762 So this is, you know, I would, 545 00:29:12,802 --> 00:29:16,114 with a WooCommerce or an 546 00:29:16,138 --> 00:29:17,946 for those custom based apps. 547 00:29:18,114 --> 00:29:22,210 We've had some creative uses 548 00:29:22,266 --> 00:29:24,762 doing some point of sale 549 00:29:24,842 --> 00:29:26,062 you know, teams. 550 00:29:26,362 --> 00:29:32,498 We had a company that actually 551 00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:33,242 Secure Lockers. 552 00:29:33,282 --> 00:29:37,738 So if you bring in stuff your 553 00:29:37,770 --> 00:29:39,074 or something like that, you 554 00:29:39,098 --> 00:29:42,810 And they did it in Nashville, 555 00:29:42,866 --> 00:29:43,202 experience. 556 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:46,378 Like you would have to, you 557 00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:47,290 pay there and everything. 558 00:29:47,346 --> 00:29:51,714 So it can work also on the 559 00:29:51,738 --> 00:29:55,866 of customized in your business 560 00:29:55,914 --> 00:29:56,442 expertise. 561 00:29:56,522 --> 00:30:00,698 But on the expertise side it's 562 00:30:00,770 --> 00:30:02,526 I like building dead simple things. 563 00:30:02,654 --> 00:30:04,486 There's nothing complicated 564 00:30:04,534 --> 00:30:06,402 It's a standard rest API. 565 00:30:06,942 --> 00:30:10,014 Any development team that's, 566 00:30:10,038 --> 00:30:13,202 past 10 years will have no 567 00:30:13,902 --> 00:30:17,494 Most of the stories we hear 568 00:30:17,518 --> 00:30:20,198 running with a new checkout experience. 569 00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:21,502 So yeah, For E. 570 00:30:21,542 --> 00:30:25,766 Commerce point of sale, check 571 00:30:25,934 --> 00:30:26,822 Very cool. 572 00:30:26,982 --> 00:30:30,950 Well, so the last thing I'd 573 00:30:30,966 --> 00:30:33,366 think it was probably, and you 574 00:30:33,414 --> 00:30:37,506 in the last 18 months or so is 575 00:30:37,554 --> 00:30:41,010 Zapright made, I would say, 576 00:30:41,066 --> 00:30:41,602 circles. 577 00:30:41,722 --> 00:30:44,922 I'd love to hear your 578 00:30:44,962 --> 00:30:51,022 it's been, as well as maybe 579 00:30:51,722 --> 00:30:55,514 opportunities like this as so 580 00:30:55,538 --> 00:30:59,608 had a lot of success and 581 00:30:59,770 --> 00:31:00,020 Yeah. 582 00:31:00,036 --> 00:31:01,212 So it's been around 18 months. 583 00:31:01,252 --> 00:31:02,232 That's about right. 584 00:31:03,132 --> 00:31:08,212 And you know, when, when 585 00:31:08,332 --> 00:31:12,476 granted ourselves a while 586 00:31:12,524 --> 00:31:12,732 up. 587 00:31:12,772 --> 00:31:16,724 And that was our initial plan, 588 00:31:16,748 --> 00:31:17,220 him. 589 00:31:17,356 --> 00:31:21,068 And we were looking at 590 00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:26,700 mining operations to payments 591 00:31:26,756 --> 00:31:29,356 And we were really just sort 592 00:31:29,404 --> 00:31:35,160 market gaps and where we had 593 00:31:35,216 --> 00:31:35,768 value. 594 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,824 And on the payment side, I 595 00:31:39,848 --> 00:31:45,504 on it before me because he was 596 00:31:45,528 --> 00:31:47,532 was a little bit less interested. 597 00:31:48,752 --> 00:31:51,608 But it was getting into the 598 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,172 I already have a wallet, 599 00:31:54,472 --> 00:31:57,730 I have a place I'd like to 600 00:31:57,826 --> 00:32:00,314 It could be on a single Sig 601 00:32:00,338 --> 00:32:02,914 multisig, it could be on strike. 602 00:32:02,978 --> 00:32:05,234 You know, like whatever it is, 603 00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:05,930 Right. 604 00:32:06,106 --> 00:32:08,482 Why can't the money just go 605 00:32:08,562 --> 00:32:09,938 When I, when I sell something. 606 00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:10,706 Right. 607 00:32:10,874 --> 00:32:12,062 Whatever it is. 608 00:32:12,402 --> 00:32:14,546 And that was like sort of the 609 00:32:14,594 --> 00:32:16,674 And we just couldn't find anything. 610 00:32:16,858 --> 00:32:18,322 There was nothing that was suitable. 611 00:32:18,362 --> 00:32:19,346 And that was really. 612 00:32:19,474 --> 00:32:22,002 That was what got me 613 00:32:22,042 --> 00:32:22,266 possible? 614 00:32:22,314 --> 00:32:24,946 We have this huge network of 615 00:32:24,994 --> 00:32:28,874 it in and just allowing you, 616 00:32:28,898 --> 00:32:30,722 see this in the Fiat world a 617 00:32:30,802 --> 00:32:34,618 If you're a stripe customer 618 00:32:34,650 --> 00:32:35,862 go to your bank account. 619 00:32:36,522 --> 00:32:40,514 They take custody over the 620 00:32:40,538 --> 00:32:41,386 sometimes you don't. 621 00:32:41,474 --> 00:32:42,102 Right. 622 00:32:42,682 --> 00:32:45,690 If you're at a gun show or 623 00:32:45,706 --> 00:32:47,546 of reasons people don't get 624 00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:48,690 Well, that stinks. 625 00:32:48,786 --> 00:32:53,434 And bitcoin seems to have a 626 00:32:53,458 --> 00:32:56,110 final settlement faster than 627 00:32:56,266 --> 00:33:01,022 Why aren't we taking advantage 628 00:33:01,102 --> 00:33:03,094 of bitcoin, as small as it is now? 629 00:33:03,158 --> 00:33:06,318 So we were really prepared 630 00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:08,438 And then we remember John. 631 00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:12,790 And John, while he wasn't 632 00:33:12,926 --> 00:33:16,922 the use cases we were thinking 633 00:33:17,982 --> 00:33:19,322 for invoicing. 634 00:33:19,862 --> 00:33:24,390 And I remember looking at the 635 00:33:24,406 --> 00:33:27,142 if you go there and you see 636 00:33:27,182 --> 00:33:33,058 connect the various on chain 637 00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:33,898 options. 638 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:36,314 And I was like, oh, well, this 639 00:33:36,378 --> 00:33:39,594 It's like, yeah, it's an 640 00:33:39,618 --> 00:33:43,042 But if John has the same 641 00:33:43,082 --> 00:33:46,418 really be applied to any type 642 00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:50,930 be point of sale or e commerce 643 00:33:50,986 --> 00:33:53,362 done, then maybe we don't have 644 00:33:53,402 --> 00:33:54,656 Maybe we can team up with John. 645 00:33:54,794 --> 00:33:57,188 And John's just such a. 646 00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:00,676 He's an awesome guy in a lot 647 00:34:00,724 --> 00:34:04,820 And it just like it was a 648 00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:06,072 existed out there. 649 00:34:06,492 --> 00:34:10,148 And we talked to John for 650 00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:12,484 sure that we aligned on vision 651 00:34:12,548 --> 00:34:15,484 And, you know, we were more 652 00:34:15,588 --> 00:34:19,124 We just had sort of the same 653 00:34:19,188 --> 00:34:21,068 So it just made a lot of sense 654 00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:24,444 Instead of, you know, having 655 00:34:24,468 --> 00:34:28,104 this like, e commerce product 656 00:34:28,168 --> 00:34:28,772 together. 657 00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:33,632 And yeah, so I think it was 658 00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:37,328 ourselves the time to really 659 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,552 in the market or, you know, 660 00:34:40,592 --> 00:34:40,744 that. 661 00:34:40,768 --> 00:34:42,160 We just couldn't. 662 00:34:42,336 --> 00:34:45,456 And then finding John and 663 00:34:45,504 --> 00:34:48,288 We kind of shared a brain in 664 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:48,584 going. 665 00:34:48,648 --> 00:34:51,728 So in on the payment side, it 666 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,176 John had already made a 667 00:34:56,224 --> 00:35:00,080 on the invoicing side, which 668 00:35:00,136 --> 00:35:03,052 side by side when you paid invoices. 669 00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:08,696 And for me, that was the 670 00:35:08,744 --> 00:35:13,216 view of this is that our goal 671 00:35:13,264 --> 00:35:17,576 Bitcoin day one, or have to 672 00:35:17,664 --> 00:35:21,408 We can be that aggregating 673 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:27,329 and then that it's okay if you 674 00:35:27,388 --> 00:35:30,928 your sales are in Bitcoin and 675 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,368 sales. 676 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,832 That's how most of these 677 00:35:33,952 --> 00:35:37,824 John really nailed that from 678 00:35:37,848 --> 00:35:38,688 work with him. 679 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,344 Will, I appreciate you sharing today. 680 00:35:40,368 --> 00:35:42,888 Do you have any final thoughts 681 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,992 with or something that we just 682 00:35:45,032 --> 00:35:45,328 today? 683 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,332 Do you think is helpful for 684 00:35:48,632 --> 00:35:49,692 Oh, geez. 685 00:35:50,552 --> 00:35:54,368 For business owners, I think 686 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,692 want bitcoin. 687 00:35:56,552 --> 00:36:01,664 That if you want, if you've 688 00:36:01,688 --> 00:36:04,024 on your personal balance 689 00:36:04,048 --> 00:36:08,144 it, you're saving with it, and 690 00:36:08,168 --> 00:36:11,368 your business should be doing 691 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:18,294 as payments is probably the 692 00:36:18,318 --> 00:36:21,846 a Treasury management tool, 693 00:36:21,894 --> 00:36:24,482 to your customers that are 694 00:36:25,102 --> 00:36:28,922 It is the most cost effective 695 00:36:29,582 --> 00:36:33,422 There's no transaction fee or 696 00:36:33,462 --> 00:36:36,694 I would say when you convert 697 00:36:36,718 --> 00:36:39,198 forth and do all that treasury 698 00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:40,446 need to do some of that. 699 00:36:40,614 --> 00:36:44,430 But at the end of the day, we 700 00:36:44,446 --> 00:36:45,222 all those types of things. 701 00:36:45,262 --> 00:36:49,470 It's like you can save 702 00:36:49,566 --> 00:36:53,142 Bitcoin on the primary basis, 703 00:36:53,182 --> 00:36:57,802 settle with and the cost of 704 00:36:58,102 --> 00:37:00,526 So if you've made that 705 00:37:00,534 --> 00:37:04,750 do it with your business, that 706 00:37:04,806 --> 00:37:06,932 It's a merchant led thing. 707 00:37:07,592 --> 00:37:10,840 There will be no Bitcoin 708 00:37:10,856 --> 00:37:12,240 be paid in Bitcoin. 709 00:37:12,416 --> 00:37:14,248 Well, will, thank you so much 710 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,212 It's been a pleasure. 711 00:37:15,512 --> 00:37:16,400 Thanks, Josh. 712 00:37:16,536 --> 00:37:17,448 Well friends, it's a wrap. 713 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,160 Thanks so much for listening 714 00:37:21,256 --> 00:37:21,680 Show. 715 00:37:21,776 --> 00:37:24,328 If you'd like to reach out to 716 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,648 links down in the show notes. 717 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,608 And if you or someone you know 718 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,544 as a business, check out Zapright. 719 00:37:30,608 --> 00:37:33,772 As always, keep building, keep 720 00:37:33,812 --> 00:37:35,380 living and leading. 721 00:37:35,476 --> 00:37:47,892 Well, I'd like to give a shout 722 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:52,388 Who sent a 500 SAT boost on 723 00:37:52,460 --> 00:37:54,380 last week's episode with Anya Schuetz. 724 00:37:54,476 --> 00:37:57,492 He said as a bitcoiner and 725 00:37:57,532 --> 00:37:59,156 looking for a job in the industry. 726 00:37:59,324 --> 00:38:00,844 This came at a great time. 727 00:38:00,948 --> 00:38:02,036 Wish me luck. 728 00:38:02,164 --> 00:38:05,676 Good luck Sean, and I hope 729 00:38:05,764 --> 00:38:08,428 If you're listening to this 730 00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:12,140 as well, consider listening on 731 00:38:12,156 --> 00:38:14,428 you listen or send a boost 732 00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:16,708 And if you leave a comment 733 00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:17,452 read it on the show.