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Welcome to the Business

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to helping you enrich your

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bitcoin, the hardest money on

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I'm your host, Josh Friedeman

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friend Anaya, who is actually

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I did this interview for an

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of called Bitcoin is Better,

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class families about bitcoin.

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I'll be sure to include the

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in the show notes.

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Luke Broyles and others have

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channel and I think you might

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The entire focus of this

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who are not yet bitcoiners and

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about bitcoin.

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I'd love to get your feedback

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so feel free to leave a

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was interesting or what I

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or better.

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We're going to get to our

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Anaya, welcome.

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This is going to be one of a

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just about bitcoin.

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Any questions they might have.

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We've already had some of

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I don't want to steal too much

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additional things, but would

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who you are so listeners know

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So my name is Anaya.

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Like Josh said, I'm a fitness

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graduated college, looking for some.

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I can.

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Learn about it for sure.

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bitcoin, but to my knowledge,

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So we'll probably talk about

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You have brought some

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to kick it over to you to

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is you want to start with.

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Yeah, so the first one's

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How does it work?

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Explain it to me like I'm five

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So I guess the simplest

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you can go kind of further

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of money or maybe a system of

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or corporation created.

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And most of our money today is

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So this money is not only not

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corporation, but it can't be

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anyone else in the world.

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It's free, open, and there are

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about it, but once you do

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but hopefully a five year old

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bit of that.

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Okay, so if it wasn't, who was

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If it wasn't created.

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Okay, who was it created by?

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Let's start there.

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So you may have heard the name

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name of the person behind bitcoin.

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We don't know who that person

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a group of people, but satoshi

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launching before it launched,

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he started bitcoin.

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communicate with each other

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sure that everything on the

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over time, it's grown to where

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network which has made it much

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getting towards 2025.

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So we don't know who satoshi

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Nakamoto.

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they might know who, a lot of

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really want to hear much about it.

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of ride on the coattails of satoshi.

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is, because bitcoin is what it

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any changes to bitcoin in

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the majority of the network,

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the world, have to agree that

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doesn't want it to happen.

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ever take bitcoin over.

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the less and less likely it becomes.

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than is worth talking about now.

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matter all that much who

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based money.

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Would you say it like that?

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by the rules and they are

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as it's supposed to operate.

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mining, basically what mining is.

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the last bitcoin, or actually

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3.125 bitcoin.

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pool because let's just say

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miner operating in your home,

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and it produces a lot of heat.

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the heat from bitcoin miners

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greenhouses, different things

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mining power on the network

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mine a block with your miner.

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to finalize this next minute

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3.125 bitcoin, the block

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everyone in the pool.

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to win a block.

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be kind of next in line based

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pay, they will be finalized.

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of the blocks or all of the

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be finalized in a block.

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you can get your transaction

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conscious, then you can pay

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want to go to the next one.

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over $300,000 that the miner

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has fees associated with it

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the last, like in the last

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of a programs time where the

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2009, I could have used my new

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bitcoin network because it's

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a day or two.

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it doesn't even make sense for

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or a PC, to try to mine

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the hash page should be so uncompetitive.

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to someone over bitcoin, then,

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to transact on the network at

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So what makes Bitcoin like, trustworthy?

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network in the world and all

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are paying attention to make

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operating by the rules.

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participate.

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anyone can see the code.

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to use your version of Bitcoin.

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using because they can

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network and you can verify the

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be able to see too much.

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also run your own node and

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the rules you care to enforce.

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rules, which is the rules

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It's following its code and

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million Bitcoin.

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And so at least when it comes

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you can have confidence that

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see in the code that it will

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Whereas when it comes to the

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politicians, they might say

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they get into office or to get

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office, they.

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They can kind of do whatever

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So I would say that the

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nodes on the network is much

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it is today, than people

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doing whatever they want when

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Gotcha.

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So you talked a little bit

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What is.

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Like, what does that look like?

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Like one bitcoin.

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Like, how do you.

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What is that worth?

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Yeah.

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So right now, first of all,

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It's been volatile to the

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volatility does give some

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That said, bitcoin has just

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coin.

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And right after it did that,

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as of this recording.

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And then the next day, it fell

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back up over $100,000 again.

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So that's what it's worth.

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Right now.

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The question that a lot of

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be worth in the long run?

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And that's the big question.

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Yeah, I don't know if you want

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now, one bitcoin is worth

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What Bitcoin will be worth is

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Some people think that it will

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A lot of those people haven't

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bitcoin.

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One of the critiques that I've

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United States will shut it

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to the dollar.

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With the new administration

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seems like currently that's

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were feasibly possible.

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But like I was saying earlier,

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and they can't control it, as

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used to governments being able

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But the reason they can do

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our world are centralized.

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And so whoever can call up

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we want you to do.

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Or there are going to be some

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But with bitcoin, that's not

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all these nodes running around

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No one country can shut them

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And we even saw back in 2021,

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2020, yeah, I think 2021, when

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of the miners, not all of

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in China.

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And quickly they started

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world because you can just

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So I'm not too concerned about

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any government.

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But then it's like, what is

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to anyone, that anyone can

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around the world?

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What is something like that worth?

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No government can shut it down.

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And that's.

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I mean.

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I mean, I think there's a ton

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Actual numbers.

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A lot of people believe that

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across the next year.

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This is traditionally the year

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having, which just happened in

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The most significant time for

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And then following that, the

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a significant correction where

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80%.

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There's some question as to

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time.

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And, you know, it's anyone's

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200,000 to well above that if

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strategic reserve asset.

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And then other countries fall

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If the United States wants to

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Republicans in the Senate have

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a lot of other countries are

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Thousands.

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There's only 21 million.

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And so, like, what does it

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clamoring to get a piece of

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There's no more can be created.

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So it's like, that's one of

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about bitcoin, which is it's

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you can't create more.

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Even with something like gold,

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you can go out and find more gold.

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A lot of times people know

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The gold price is just not

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into the earth and getting it.

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So I think that we could see

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in the next year or so.

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Now, it's also possible that

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I don't think World War 3 is

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tossed around.

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And so if we go into some

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or something like that,

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And you know, bitcoin might

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But there are a lot of people

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years, maybe even less than

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million dollars per coin,

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where it is right now.

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And I would tend to be in that camp.

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How and when exactly, it's

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But that's sort of the, the,

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also.

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And some other people have

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percentage of the total assets

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And then what, you know, where

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So, for instance, would you

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and is significantly

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or would you rather hold real

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but also has taxes that you

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you have to worry about, tenants.

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Potentially has a lot of other

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Would you rather hold digital,

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estate that has a bunch of headaches.

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And so a lot of people think

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taken from real estate, some

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Some people might say instead

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I'm actually going to put a

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So take money from equities

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If bitcoin siphons a little

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each one, it's going to grow significantly.

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That's not even talking about

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like that.

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And so there's a lot of

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One of the memes that circles

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divided by 21 million, which

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of everything.

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Like, there's no reason that a

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high astronomical number.

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There's going to be 21 million

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think it's worth.

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But if nations start piling

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wants to get a piece of the pie.

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There's only so much to go around.

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So I guess the last thing I'll

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think the number was there's

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in the world to have about 0, 28.

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So you know, some, somewhere

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a bitcoin and that's just

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And so like if the average

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is better, is focused on

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families, if the average

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0.2 Bitcoin, which is like

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for a lot of people.

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You know, 0.1 Bitcoin right

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But if you can start getting a

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it in long term savings, then

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probably be a whole lot more

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So how do you have access to

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Like how would you be able to

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You know, we have like debit

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you get that money?

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Money out There are a lot of

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Most people listening to this

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If you have cash app, that's a

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bitcoin.

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And then right now, you know,

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people place money in as a

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First of all, it is a store of

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Right.

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You're putting your time, your

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is, do you want to put it into

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That may be volatile, but you

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you're always going to have

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available or across the years,

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You know, in dollars.

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When I was born in the early

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it is today.

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So probably more than that.

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And so like across 30 plus

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of what they used to be.

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And if inflation continues to

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kind of like optimal in

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2% target is what people, I

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Reserve likes.

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If it stays higher than that

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then the value of your dollars

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Yeah, so a great thing to do

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can.

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Some people dollar cost

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month, whatever, maybe it's

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can turn some of that into bitcoin.

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So also there are a couple

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used or would recommend that

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you use it on a day to day

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Just as of the recording of

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I don't know when this will be

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who is the CEO of Strike, he

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app, which is a way that you

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You can turn it into dollars.

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He basically lives, he has

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bitcoin and he has enough

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volatility.

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But over time, you know, his

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But he just released this

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pay your bills so you can save.

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And also Strike has this

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has this feature where you can

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and have some or all of it

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And so, you know, just there

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when bitcoin hit the cycle low

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like 16 something.

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But it was, it was in that,

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you know, well, well less than

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And I was just like, where do

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buy bitcoin?

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I bought bitcoin and it's more

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held it there.

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And so, you know, you think

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know, $16,000.

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When, when Bitcoin is worth

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That $100 is more than 500 now.

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And so that's crazy.

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Like over the long term, if

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the value of bitcoin.

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But you can pay your bills

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Just with the bitcoin in the

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Strike.

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Another great one is Fold.

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And Fold has a debit card

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similar features.

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But you can save in bitcoin

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your card in the form of

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like you would a normal debit card.

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So those are a couple

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kind of interface with it in

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and kind of easily transfer

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it's most advantageous for you.

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Another one, you know,

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I host a podcast called

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interviewing business owners

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And frequently it's, you know,

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sheet or they might be

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There are some other things

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more clever that may not be

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you can accept bitcoin in your business.

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Or like, you know, if I were

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to sell me something, if we

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in bitcoin.

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And so there are practical

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And that, that's where it kind

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the second, I guess, level of

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that's like cash today.

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Like, everyone pays for things

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Dollars are our medium of exchange.

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And that is the future, I

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There are some things that

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You know, the base layer, a

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every 10 minutes.

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And so you're not going to pay

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Maybe the fees are really high.

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So it's like, you know, costs

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You have to wait for 10

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Like, that's, that's not practical.

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No one's doing that.

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It used.

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The network was fast enough

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enough.

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There was not as much

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and it was a little more

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chain, kind of the base layer

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But now there are what you

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to be developed, like the

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The lightning network is a way

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forth, basically at the speed

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So it's a lot easier, it's a

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hardly any fees involved.

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That's how a lot of the medium

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00:37:00,707 --> 00:37:04,075
With bitcoin, there's some

576
00:37:04,091 --> 00:37:05,447
that are being developed right now.

577
00:37:05,907 --> 00:37:08,167
And then the final one is a

578
00:37:08,787 --> 00:37:12,251
And the unit of account is

579
00:37:12,339 --> 00:37:16,203
You know, when someone says,

580
00:37:16,235 --> 00:37:19,247
And they say it's the latte,

581
00:37:19,587 --> 00:37:25,947
They don't say it's, you know,

582
00:37:26,107 --> 00:37:31,259
But when you get to the level

583
00:37:31,283 --> 00:37:36,027
bitcoin, then that's a

584
00:37:36,187 --> 00:37:37,659
because people are thinking in sats.

585
00:37:37,723 --> 00:37:41,291
They're not thinking in cents,

586
00:37:41,339 --> 00:37:43,533
are just little tiny amounts

587
00:37:43,565 --> 00:37:48,557
Every bitcoin can be broken

588
00:37:48,597 --> 00:37:49,245
sats.

589
00:37:49,421 --> 00:37:52,173
And so, like, you don't have

590
00:37:52,285 --> 00:37:52,877
I don't know if.

591
00:37:52,917 --> 00:37:56,061
I think you probably know that

592
00:37:56,229 --> 00:38:01,533
I think It's a thousand sats

593
00:38:01,685 --> 00:38:03,101
Or a thousand sats for a dollar.

594
00:38:03,149 --> 00:38:04,413
So 10,000 sats for $10.

595
00:38:04,485 --> 00:38:05,137
Yeah.

596
00:38:05,557 --> 00:38:09,629
So the math is a little bit

597
00:38:09,653 --> 00:38:11,527
$100,000.

598
00:38:11,687 --> 00:38:16,151
But you, you know, you could

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00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:21,079
to having to pay $100,000,

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00:38:21,103 --> 00:38:23,387
know, impossible.

601
00:38:23,807 --> 00:38:26,663
So that's a long tangent, but that's.

602
00:38:26,695 --> 00:38:28,711
Some of those are some of the

603
00:38:28,759 --> 00:38:35,335
And I would highly recommend

604
00:38:35,471 --> 00:38:39,459
if you wanted to kind of be

605
00:38:39,563 --> 00:38:40,467
an easier way.

606
00:38:40,507 --> 00:38:42,739
One other thing about Fold is

607
00:38:42,763 --> 00:38:48,083
get a percentage back in

608
00:38:48,195 --> 00:38:51,859
So those are some potential

609
00:38:51,883 --> 00:38:53,027
use if they were interested.

610
00:38:53,107 --> 00:38:54,487
I have both apps.

611
00:38:54,827 --> 00:39:01,059
I use both to some degree, but

612
00:39:01,083 --> 00:39:03,011
them more in the future.

613
00:39:03,099 --> 00:39:03,587
So.

614
00:39:03,707 --> 00:39:06,927
Any other questions or maybe

615
00:39:10,467 --> 00:39:13,927
Oh, I know you mentioned fees

616
00:39:14,307 --> 00:39:17,627
Or trading their bill or

617
00:39:17,667 --> 00:39:19,771
Like, why would, why would you

618
00:39:19,939 --> 00:39:24,167
Isn't it better for you to

619
00:39:25,027 --> 00:39:29,275
That's the crazy thing about

620
00:39:29,331 --> 00:39:32,567
everyone has different reasons

621
00:39:33,057 --> 00:39:36,857
Some people are not nearly as

622
00:39:37,017 --> 00:39:40,761
So you get to the

623
00:39:40,769 --> 00:39:43,257
you want to sell because

624
00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:49,801
it was $400, and whenever it

625
00:39:49,889 --> 00:39:52,557
it's like, close enough you're

626
00:39:53,377 --> 00:39:57,689
But I agree that, like, with

627
00:39:57,713 --> 00:40:03,319
long term, keeping it in

628
00:40:03,423 --> 00:40:06,867
very likely be incredibly

629
00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:13,367
So there are, yeah, there are

630
00:40:13,407 --> 00:40:18,263
these leveraged positions

631
00:40:18,295 --> 00:40:20,487
down, they make a whole bunch

632
00:40:20,527 --> 00:40:22,263
that are never selling.

633
00:40:22,375 --> 00:40:27,189
But the more people that learn

634
00:40:27,213 --> 00:40:30,853
the potential in bitcoin, the

635
00:40:30,925 --> 00:40:34,165
And each, you know, each

636
00:40:34,221 --> 00:40:34,629
high.

637
00:40:34,733 --> 00:40:38,213
There's this whole new group

638
00:40:38,285 --> 00:40:41,797
okay, I discounted this when I

639
00:40:41,837 --> 00:40:45,349
time, or two times ago, or 10

640
00:40:45,533 --> 00:40:50,027
But now it's clear to me that

641
00:40:50,117 --> 00:40:51,727
so I should start taking it

642
00:40:51,807 --> 00:40:55,807
And every time that happens,

643
00:40:55,847 --> 00:41:01,151
buy bitcoin with the intent of

644
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,867
10, 20, 30 years or passing it

645
00:41:05,287 --> 00:41:09,867
And when that happens, the

646
00:41:10,407 --> 00:41:11,347
decreases.

647
00:41:11,687 --> 00:41:18,009
You know, like, so let's say

648
00:41:18,153 --> 00:41:19,785
end up getting purchased.

649
00:41:19,881 --> 00:41:22,329
And they're like, people say,

650
00:41:22,433 --> 00:41:26,409
It might be more than that

651
00:41:26,433 --> 00:41:28,597
means there's only 6 million

652
00:41:28,897 --> 00:41:33,913
Well, there's also a bunch of

653
00:41:34,105 --> 00:41:34,761
not available.

654
00:41:34,849 --> 00:41:39,769
Like, Satoshi has about a

655
00:41:39,793 --> 00:41:42,909
those have not moved since he

656
00:41:42,933 --> 00:41:43,517
earth.

657
00:41:43,677 --> 00:41:45,117
And so those probably won't move.

658
00:41:45,157 --> 00:41:48,941
And so, like, There are about

659
00:41:49,029 --> 00:41:53,517
probably won't move because

660
00:41:53,557 --> 00:41:54,137
reason.

661
00:41:54,517 --> 00:41:57,821
And so you're getting to this

662
00:41:57,869 --> 00:42:02,477
available to be traded or

663
00:42:02,517 --> 00:42:03,229
tiny.

664
00:42:03,373 --> 00:42:06,217
And that's the bitcoin people

665
00:42:06,677 --> 00:42:09,597
That's the bitcoin they're

666
00:42:09,637 --> 00:42:10,221
for.

667
00:42:10,389 --> 00:42:12,909
And at a certain point in

668
00:42:13,013 --> 00:42:16,445
I have this bitcoin and I

669
00:42:16,581 --> 00:42:20,013
And that's when the price

670
00:42:20,045 --> 00:42:24,509
this crazy crunch because

671
00:42:24,573 --> 00:42:27,309
there's not enough to go

672
00:42:27,333 --> 00:42:31,293
I mean, there's always enough

673
00:42:31,445 --> 00:42:36,109
you know, let's say you got in

674
00:42:36,133 --> 00:42:39,251
$1,000 a coin, you bought five

675
00:42:39,419 --> 00:42:42,339
Well, those five are probably

676
00:42:42,443 --> 00:42:45,491
You're saying, I went from a

677
00:42:45,659 --> 00:42:50,819
There's no way I'm going to

678
00:42:50,843 --> 00:42:52,367
it's going to go so much higher.

679
00:42:52,907 --> 00:42:53,267
So.

680
00:42:53,307 --> 00:42:53,927
Yeah.

681
00:42:54,347 --> 00:42:55,731
Why do people buy and sell?

682
00:42:55,819 --> 00:42:56,243
Who knows?

683
00:42:56,275 --> 00:42:59,219
Everyone has a reason, but at

684
00:42:59,243 --> 00:43:04,067
to do is to buy it, to hold it

685
00:43:04,107 --> 00:43:04,687
term.

686
00:43:05,257 --> 00:43:06,117
Yeah.

687
00:43:08,297 --> 00:43:11,233
So I don't know if we've

688
00:43:11,265 --> 00:43:14,305
Do you have some additional

689
00:43:14,361 --> 00:43:17,809
or some additional things that

690
00:43:17,833 --> 00:43:18,837
this conversation?

691
00:43:19,737 --> 00:43:22,077
No, I think you, you pretty

692
00:43:22,617 --> 00:43:24,673
Even the questions I didn't

693
00:43:24,745 --> 00:43:27,841
So it's starting to, I think

694
00:43:27,889 --> 00:43:28,477
now.

695
00:43:30,467 --> 00:43:34,007
Yeah, I think I'm starting to

696
00:43:34,387 --> 00:43:38,171
Well, any, you already know

697
00:43:38,259 --> 00:43:43,323
and shares, who's not yet A

698
00:43:43,355 --> 00:43:47,755
So you are going to get your

699
00:43:47,891 --> 00:43:49,087
this recording.

700
00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:53,675
And it's a good step in the,

701
00:43:53,731 --> 00:43:54,683
the right direction.

702
00:43:54,795 --> 00:43:58,957
But I would just would like to

703
00:43:59,077 --> 00:44:05,309
if you have money that you can

704
00:44:05,333 --> 00:44:07,005
a great way to do this.

705
00:44:07,141 --> 00:44:10,893
Even now, you know, $100,000,

706
00:44:11,045 --> 00:44:16,333
but they've said that, you

707
00:44:16,405 --> 00:44:17,501
they've set it at a thousand.

708
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:20,941
People were selling at 400

709
00:44:20,949 --> 00:44:22,125
it went up to 400.

710
00:44:22,261 --> 00:44:24,109
You know, I'm just sort of

711
00:44:24,133 --> 00:44:30,993
But people, people have sold

712
00:44:31,025 --> 00:44:33,117
of their ways across the long term.

713
00:44:33,417 --> 00:44:35,953
So anyone who does, especially

714
00:44:35,985 --> 00:44:40,033
have a lot of extra money, if

715
00:44:40,065 --> 00:44:46,837
term savings account or

716
00:44:47,177 --> 00:44:51,041
what bitcoin could do for your

717
00:44:51,049 --> 00:44:51,665
the long term.

718
00:44:51,721 --> 00:44:55,385
So, and I, I'm going to kick

719
00:44:55,441 --> 00:44:57,717
thoughts you may have before

720
00:44:58,977 --> 00:45:00,357
No, this was good.

721
00:45:01,057 --> 00:45:02,617
I'm probably, definitely gonna have.

722
00:45:02,657 --> 00:45:05,849
I can't think of any more

723
00:45:05,873 --> 00:45:12,073
into it and actually start

724
00:45:12,105 --> 00:45:14,201
definitely have more questions

725
00:45:14,289 --> 00:45:15,977
But that'll be offline, of course.

726
00:45:16,097 --> 00:45:17,353
But this is great.

727
00:45:17,505 --> 00:45:19,957
Yeah, I learned a whole lot more.

728
00:45:20,347 --> 00:45:22,899
Well, now you can hopefully

729
00:45:22,923 --> 00:45:25,571
there are going to be more and

730
00:45:25,619 --> 00:45:29,155
across the next year as the

731
00:45:29,211 --> 00:45:35,155
And now you probably know more

732
00:45:35,211 --> 00:45:38,019
Maybe that's a little

733
00:45:38,043 --> 00:45:42,851
more because you've actually

734
00:45:42,859 --> 00:45:46,067
couple previous conversations

735
00:45:46,107 --> 00:45:46,259
it.

736
00:45:46,283 --> 00:45:48,903
And I think it's a little

737
00:45:48,935 --> 00:45:49,559
now.

738
00:45:49,743 --> 00:45:51,507
Hope my answers have been

739
00:45:52,367 --> 00:45:53,227
Yeah.

740
00:45:53,967 --> 00:45:54,519
Great.

741
00:45:54,623 --> 00:45:56,759
Well, Anaya, thank you so much

742
00:45:56,783 --> 00:45:57,751
It's been a pleasure.

743
00:45:57,879 --> 00:45:59,159
Yeah, thanks for having me.

744
00:45:59,263 --> 00:46:00,183
Well, friends, it's a wrap.

745
00:46:00,215 --> 00:46:03,815
Thanks so much for listening

746
00:46:03,911 --> 00:46:04,359
show.

747
00:46:04,463 --> 00:46:07,079
Remember to check out the

748
00:46:07,143 --> 00:46:10,103
and leave feedback about how

749
00:46:10,175 --> 00:46:11,687
I'd love to hear what you have

750
00:46:11,727 --> 00:46:15,377
As always, keep building, keep

751
00:46:15,417 --> 00:46:17,233
living and leading.

752
00:46:17,345 --> 00:46:17,497
Well.
