I'm always on the lookout for
to Austin.
Like, I will go out of my way
I've been doing it for four
of like, do they remind me of
before?
And like, and that's what I'm
And so there's two people
I'm trying to recruit to
here because I want them in
I look at it more like really
people that you want inside
everybody.
Like, I'm just trying to
If you're not trying to do
incredibly outside the box, or
above your weight, basically,
else.
Welcome to the Business
The show dedicated to helping
business with bitcoin, the
I'm your host, Josh
Carl Car Gonzalez, who is the
based in Austin.
If you don't know about
heard about some of the
start there or reached escape
his team are doing.
We're going to get to our
Car, welcome to the podcast.
Thanks.
So I'd like to start off every
that help us to get to know
us some insight for our own lives.
Are you ready for these?
Yeah, let's do it.
Question number one.
When and how did you first
It was probably when I was
Small Orange.
It was like a web design company.
And then it got bought out, I
But yeah, it was like this
And we would do these standups
And there is this stand up one day.
And you know how these
don't kind of wrangle in
Well, we had this one guy, he
he was talking about bitcoin
must have been like 2014 or
And anyway, they shut him down
And I pinged him later just in chat.
And it was like, hey, what is
about?
Because I had heard about it
time.
And after that he shot me over
And then I listened to that
So this is kind of an off
five, but when would you
Joe Rogan interview to happen?
Do you have any predictions on that?
I don't know.
I think it's.
He probably gets.
I would imagine he probably
time.
There was a time when Club Lab
and we went to a comedy show
some bitcoiners around him at
That I saw at that time.
And I was thinking, I was
And it never did.
But that was like probably
or maybe three years ago.
Forget how long ago.
So I think it's going to
I think, I think off the top
You'd need a Parker there for sure.
You would need a Marty Ben and
a Jimmy Song for technical stuff.
I think that would.
Do you think it would be an
where Joe Rogan is?
I think it would be an Austin.
I think it would definitely be
Like it would have to be, but
at some point.
Maybe this cycle.
We'll see.
Cool.
Well, question number two is
that you wish everyone
Is to build on it?
I think that's just not
I think from the sidelines you
You can kind of like bang your.
Bang your fist and be upset
that are trying to push
trying to do commit, you know
And I used to be one of those
about things.
And then when you finally get
spending time with these
builders, you start realizing
building on bitcoin and some
I think that would be one
is how hard it is to build on bitcoin.
And a lot of these people are
nothing else.
Well, I'm sure we're going to
we talk about pleblab.
But question number three is
recommend to other people?
I think the Jameson Lopp one
We try to do our own version
because I would get.
People would ask me all the
do I go?
Where do I go if I want to do
I go if I want to get started, like.
And I would.
I never had an answer.
But outside of ours I would
If you go to his like his
a small little Wikipedia of
accelerators, all the
like everything.
It's the best resource.
I think that's lop.net right?
I think so, yeah.
Yeah.
And what would be the pleblob
wanted to check that out?
Yeah, pleb book.com and we're
to push some code on there.
So if you want to help out to
Because it's been about a year
so open to that too as well.
Well, so the next question
Bitcoin.
What's a resource, tool or
your work recently?
So yeah, we're going through
And I think there's been a lot
There's been a lot of things
as like either software or as
or stuff like that.
And lately I've been kind of
trying to find out what's the
Because it's like, you know,
I think talking to people
me about like what gear
they're using, like what
Just cause I'm.
It's time for upgrades.
That's what I would say is
Austin bitcoin community.
And now we have our final,
question.
And it's this.
As a general life principle.
Is ADV better to ask why or
I think why?
Yeah, it's better to ask why.
It's better to ask why is that?
And then dive into the reasons
Because even some things that
from the outside looking in,
whole sort of hierarchy of
scenes that, that you just
Just on the surface, I would
Well, Carl, we're here today
I'm guessing that a number of
on a regular basis have heard
But there may be some people
no idea who you are or what
And even those who do know may
I've had the opportunity to
see some of the other things
builder competition.
I think we're going to be
but just could you give a
what you're about?
Yeah.
My name is Car.
I started a Plub.
Wow.
With a group of friends in 21.
We were just some plebs that
doing companies and
And so we were able to get a
co working space downtown and
from there we started pleblam.
And almost immediately we
naturally over overnight.
Because Austin was just on
moving here.
It still is, but at that time
right after the Bukele
So we hadn't seen that sort of
Hey, everybody's moving this direction.
But yeah, we were a part of
Shortly after that we helped
my co founder at the time,
too.
And so we raised a little
a bitcoin accelerator.
At the time we really didn't
I think now we're a lot more
ins and outs of it and we're
founders and builders come
success.
And whether that's like
a pre seed or even if they
from the ground up, just as a
them do that.
And so that's what we.
That's primarily I dedicate my
get to success in whatever
And that's what we've been doing.
So if you go to our website,
of people that are part of
this founder community, and
of growing thing that's evolving.
I think you've talked to
new in our accelerator that
company.
It's been a blast.
Yeah, the interview with
it was before he had made some
We did talk a little bit about
education.
That came up in the interview
it, but he was dropping some
as at least a portion of our discussion.
What are some other brands or
that have either started in
from where you guys are?
Yeah, I think our most famous
was something that John had
in Austin and 21 and myself
of helping him shape and build Zap.
Right.
And credit to him because at
like the way he did.
And that just goes to show you
as a builder, you really have
and how you see the world and
But yeah, I would say he's
And then after that would
And that's Keon, one of my
And that's a really cool.
I love that site.
It's one of my favorite sites
It's like Reddit for bitcoin,
And then the other one after
of mine, Michael, who's doing
stuff.
And since then we've had
Agents is one.
It's like an AI company.
We have somebody named Jim
right now.
It's an AI company.
Bit escrow is another kind of
a sort that they're building.
It's very, very, very high,
And then, and then we've also
out her company inside of
She just recently left, but it
literally nothing to now she's
her company.
That's really cool.
Who else?
Yeah, it's.
It's a pretty big.
It's a pretty big group of, of
is another company that we've
that has gone on to do amazing
or I think they just launched
an exchange here before the
We'll see.
Well, it's really interesting
Hopefully that will give
Pleblab is.
Because I interviewed Tristan
Now they're bit escrow.
Michael was one of the first
ecosystem and we've become
I've interviewed him a couple
Same thing with John from Zapright.
Interviewed him twice and just
So there are a lot of things
One of the things you
Zapright actually moved down
I'm curious how often you've
You said back in 2021 there
Austin for all sorts of
were a number of.
I've talked with a number of
for the bitcoin community.
How many people have come to
they can have that startup
space and other builders
Yeah, I think I want to see
in Club Lab besides me that
or for to build.
I think the last one that
already here trying to think
Probably Nifty was the last
to Austin.
Maybe her I would probably say
I have this saying inside the
And so I'm like, I'm always on
builder to recruit to Austin.
Like, I will go out of my way
to me, I really see this thing
on Bitcoin.
And I was saying that earlier,
type of skill sets, a certain
type of person.
And so when you're trying to
find if they fall into all
And I really don't have it formalized.
It's more of a.
I've been doing it for four
So it's more of a kind of
or something that I've seen before?
And, like.
And that's what I'm kind of
And so there's two people
I'm trying to recruit to
here because I want them in
So it's kind of like that.
I look at it more like really,
the people that you want
gather everybody.
Like, I'm just trying to
Like, you know, we have the
it's.
If it's mediocre, you probably
Like, you probably should go
And that's not, like, to be, like.
Like, rude or anything.
It just means, like, we have a
to fall in that standard.
And so the bar is really high.
And so if you're not trying to
or incredibly outside the box,
punch above your weight,
go somewhere else.
And.
Yeah, and I don't feel bad
It's just.
It's just who we are because
before us, and they've kind of
be accomplished inside of the lab.
So you've mentioned a couple
on.
I'm wondering if you could
more because, you know, I'm
all.
And I think a lot of people in
And so it's easy to take
why don't we have this thing?
Why don't we have this thing?
Without really knowing what
So getting kind of a behind
I think would be really valuable.
Yeah, I think the biggest
revenue right inside of this
It was a little bit different
And I say that because they
2.0 and they really kind of
to do things the hard way,
And before you would have this
can basically think of it kind
Like there's like a spigot of
It's right with the miners.
Right.
And so when you have these
run like a, like a hose from
of think of Stacker news, right?
So he's able to run a host
into his kind of platform.
And then like there's a
out.
Same thing with fountain is another.
But it's.
But during that time it was a
was much easier to do.
There was much more revenue
that way.
But it was all custodial.
So the Biden Harris
got pretty much got rid of
with Phoenix left and there's
because of that.
And so the non custodial part
It's like now you have to
way.
There's different types of
through like Mints or through
type of like layer of bitcoin,
but that requires them to hold
And that's as you know, as I
throughout history whenever
bitcoin.
So that's not an option, at
revenue.
So it, it really comes down to
You have to find something that.
Because bitcoin is entirely
a middleman, so you really
It's very hard for you to make
That also falls into the ethos
Right.
Because you, Josh, you can
you car if I can just send it
That makes no sense.
And that's what we're trying
I think the hardest part about
And then, and then once you
to figure out, like the whole
which is extremely hard.
And then there's that.
So then there's all the
figure out too, as well.
So that's why when we were
who are you looking for?
I'm looking for somebody who loves.
Enjoys pain pretty much.
It's like, is there somebody
the head over and over and
over and over and over again
single time and still march on
And that's what you're trying
especially in bitcoin, because
get tough.
But as bitcoin founders, most
to building formation and also
That's why whenever I think I
fold or like, even, even
when they were doing Unchained
like, wow, like they, they
and they figured it out.
And so that's why I'm saying
really hard.
So most of the easiest ways to
which is why you see, like,
direction.
Same thing with Zap, right?
Is payments.
So they're very modular, so
which I think is still.
They should be charging more,
And same thing with Snacker News.
They're charging, like,
money off this community that
So once you figure out that
manageable as far as, like,
of start planning For.
So I'm curious here.
Is it that people are building
the fiat system and people
created yet, they don't need
to pay for it?
Or do you see this being an
space when people are trying
make revenue with their
Yeah.
So let me think of an example.
Okay, this is a perfect example.
So, like, you know, you
your podcast, right?
You could use Spotify or you
other podcast, but you use Fountain.
I would imagine you use that
on that platform and they make
wallet and to shoot it out
limit.
And so you're able to generate
Well, with that, Oliver's or
some sort of revenue from that
You know, it's smaller, it's
because he has that on his
And I think when you're
pour it over, they really need
And I think this is where,
I think there's this kind of
again.
Because I think what we're
know, the Z generation, I
like, they're.
Their mind is very short,
So they need like dopamine
like, kind of.
There needs to be more than
to get something out of as a service.
And this is where when I think
they're going to have this
to be able to give them that
built in, but also allow them
And when you think of that,
that's going to come through
these kind of milestones that
And that's where I think when
project or building a bitcoin
long and hard about how you're
there's a slice of that
from.
And I think when I think of G,
Go is a successful product.
But like what would a bitcoin
It would be incredibly, it
it would probably be
really young people excluding
it too.
But the, it would probably be
18 to 35 of that kind of, that
it.
So that's where, when I think
it's, it's important to really
that you want to check off
revenue.
And I think you need to
exactly what, exactly what
Right.
We were talking about Fountain
from this podcast and you're
and that's the agreed upon
contract that you have with them.
And I think as long as that is
of you, I think you will
stay away from using Spotify
I appreciate that explanation.
Now one of the things you have
I don't know if this is a way
but the Top Builder
in bringing attention and
I don't know exactly how many
I know there was one last
you had one as well.
But what, what, what's Top Builder?
How did it come about and how
bring people and interest to pleblab?
Yeah, so there was, there was
was Brian.
Shout Out Brian.
Amazing guy.
The whole team there is great.
And we were talking about,
to help you guys, let's do
And I was like, cool.
I was like, if you guys
And so at the time we were
maybe we should do a hackathon.
But I was like, eh, hackathons.
Like I don't think you get
With hackathons, I think there
And I don't know if it was my
I forget whose idea it was,
do like Top Chef style for
And there's one thing about
very competitive people.
We love making bets, we love
for the most part.
I think the way I initially
do like a Top Chef for bitcoin
And we'll try to find the best
And then every round we'll cut
to the top five and then we'll
present in front of everybody
then they'll pick the Top Builder.
It's like really simple.
And so that's where the idea
It was really successful last year.
I think CNBC covered it.
It was like a whole big thing
It was awesome.
I was very proud that we as a
pull it off.
This year we're going to be
2 and it's going to be
So Arman, who is this
dox him, but he decided that
Like the people in Plub Lab,
He wants to have this options
when things are tight during a
So he created Type Stamp to
has never been created before
It's in the Fiat space, but
And so we're going to partner
Season 2.
And yeah, and right now I'm in
right now.
You can go to the website,
read through all the stuff and
that type form, I'll be
kind of fall into the
of Top Builder.
Because I think last year we
views and then we had like
And then I got them down to
And then.
Yeah, and then from there we
Yopaki won top Builder last year.
That's what the judges voted
And I think there's also a
But not only that, it's like
week basically kind of like
Club Lab community.
And then from there it's just
or your project accelerates.
And then you're also getting
like a lot of our network and
And then before you know it,
bitcoin company and you're
And so that's, for me is
people transform themselves
do this, to actually getting
And it's like, whoa.
And last year was really
good teams that I really
But, like, seeing where they
like super bullish for bitcoin
that I don't think would have
Because hackathons are good,
weekend.
And it's very rare that
But I think you need a
people going.
And because I would firmly
bitcoinization, we need more
Like, we need more bitcoin businesses.
And until we have more of
a bitcoinization anytime soon.
I think we tried in the early
had businesses to accept
just to build companies and
Not easier, but it's.
It's a.
It's faster as far as like the timeframe.
And what was the event in
I know Oliver was talking
Was that Top Builder or just a
down there?
Yeah.
So we did.
We do two Startup Days a year.
So Startup Day is the one that
We'll have another one here in
Commons.
And we, we do the Tom Builder
So during March and then we do
summer.
And that was the one that we
And so that one was really
that we had, I would say
that were presenting that day
And I think we probably, I
that I had recruited
in Startup Day because I felt
probably should take a look at.
So we did our best to present
in bitcoin to everybody and
This is what we think are the
Here they go, here they are.
And so that's what we did in
I think next year we probably
It was so hard to do another
of the language barrier and
extremely difficult.
And it would have probably
America.
But I think it looked great
asking about it, I think than
But I mean, I don't know.
I think next year, I haven't
we're going to do for the
it'll be in America maybe, I
We'll see.
I don't know.
I'm still thinking through
Maybe we can do it at the
I think that would be kind of cool.
So I guess the last question
from you is do you see any
people should be building with
you see out there that you
there's no current great, like
I think there's some really
be achieved through the non
And I mean this like in like
with, with their stuff in.
I think because they pulled
a gap there in the United
and I don't know of anybody
There probably is somebody
Maybe it's, it's probably more
But as far as a business, I
inside the US that kind of
that would.
That would be really interesting.
And I would imagine it's just
it would take to do something
probably why that's the only
I think the.
I think the most interesting
I think could.
Could be really interesting to
AI stuff.
I think that bitcoin AI
But it.
Right now it feels like we
his startup here.
And I think the thing that I
is that kind of sprinkler
I think once we crack that on
there could be significant
And the.
So when I think of that, I
what he's doing, because I
figure it out because he.
They build so fast on that side.
And even with Christopher
and stuff like that, like,
favor for them to figure it
And so when they do figure it
of the window for everybody,
in and copy it and be like,
do that too.
And that's just normal startup
So I think the AI stuff is
it's going to be some time.
But I think once they do
wow, that was so right in
Very cool.
Well, hopefully we'll see some
But yeah, a lot of this is
all of a sudden it explodes
I interviewed John probably
of this podcast.
And then it wasn't until last
about Zapright.
And right now there are things
or so that we're not going to
But it's exciting to know that
builders have a place for
share ideas with other people.
Do you have any final thoughts
As well as places where you'd
to keep up with Pleblab.
Yeah, I just want to thank
do in bitcoin.
I don't think you get enough credit.
Like you said, you've been very.
What you do about getting the
exactly what they need.
Like, they really need the
push to have them to keep
a very good feeling to be able
building.
And so like, yeah, thank you
doing with your podcast is exceptional.
And like you said, you have
hey, you're following closely
on in the ecosystem.
So, yeah, I just want to say
anybody out there who's
company, come find me in
Car club lab.
And yeah, let's talk because I
I think we can.
It's a bull run.
It's like not.
It's the best time to build a
I mean, there's great times to
like really great times.
And during a bull run is like
company.
And there's so many problems
And if you have a.
If you have a great idea and
if you're non technical.
That's how we met Francisco.
Like he was non technical, had
to pull it off, was
everything else.
Didn't have a developer,
He came to Pleb Lab and within
now he's building a bitcoin
That's how easy it is within
So I would say if you're
and we'd love to help you get
Yeah, sounds good.
Well, Carr, thank you so much
It's been a pleasure.
Thank you.
Thank you, Josh.
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