1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,161 I'm always on the lookout for 2 00:00:05,193 --> 00:00:05,817 to Austin. 3 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:09,025 Like, I will go out of my way 4 00:00:09,065 --> 00:00:11,737 I've been doing it for four 5 00:00:11,761 --> 00:00:15,961 of like, do they remind me of 6 00:00:16,033 --> 00:00:16,385 before? 7 00:00:16,465 --> 00:00:18,369 And like, and that's what I'm 8 00:00:18,457 --> 00:00:20,689 And so there's two people 9 00:00:20,697 --> 00:00:23,225 I'm trying to recruit to 10 00:00:23,265 --> 00:00:24,665 here because I want them in 11 00:00:24,745 --> 00:00:28,737 I look at it more like really 12 00:00:28,761 --> 00:00:32,317 people that you want inside 13 00:00:32,381 --> 00:00:32,813 everybody. 14 00:00:32,869 --> 00:00:34,357 Like, I'm just trying to 15 00:00:34,461 --> 00:00:38,069 If you're not trying to do 16 00:00:38,117 --> 00:00:41,445 incredibly outside the box, or 17 00:00:41,485 --> 00:00:43,845 above your weight, basically, 18 00:00:43,885 --> 00:00:44,465 else. 19 00:00:48,925 --> 00:00:52,525 Welcome to the Business 20 00:00:52,565 --> 00:00:56,645 The show dedicated to helping 21 00:00:56,685 --> 00:01:00,741 business with bitcoin, the 22 00:01:00,853 --> 00:01:03,445 I'm your host, Josh 23 00:01:03,485 --> 00:01:09,001 Carl Car Gonzalez, who is the 24 00:01:09,153 --> 00:01:10,625 based in Austin. 25 00:01:10,745 --> 00:01:13,345 If you don't know about 26 00:01:13,385 --> 00:01:15,769 heard about some of the 27 00:01:15,817 --> 00:01:19,137 start there or reached escape 28 00:01:19,161 --> 00:01:20,057 his team are doing. 29 00:01:20,121 --> 00:01:23,085 We're going to get to our 30 00:01:40,228 --> 00:01:42,132 Car, welcome to the podcast. 31 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:42,836 Thanks. 32 00:01:42,932 --> 00:01:45,324 So I'd like to start off every 33 00:01:45,356 --> 00:01:48,156 that help us to get to know 34 00:01:48,172 --> 00:01:49,908 us some insight for our own lives. 35 00:01:49,948 --> 00:01:50,816 Are you ready for these? 36 00:01:50,932 --> 00:01:52,028 Yeah, let's do it. 37 00:01:52,368 --> 00:01:53,408 Question number one. 38 00:01:53,488 --> 00:01:56,228 When and how did you first 39 00:01:56,568 --> 00:02:01,896 It was probably when I was 40 00:02:01,912 --> 00:02:02,408 Small Orange. 41 00:02:02,448 --> 00:02:04,928 It was like a web design company. 42 00:02:04,968 --> 00:02:07,016 And then it got bought out, I 43 00:02:07,152 --> 00:02:09,096 But yeah, it was like this 44 00:02:09,152 --> 00:02:12,880 And we would do these standups 45 00:02:13,024 --> 00:02:14,976 And there is this stand up one day. 46 00:02:14,992 --> 00:02:17,632 And you know how these 47 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:19,352 don't kind of wrangle in 48 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,974 Well, we had this one guy, he 49 00:02:23,006 --> 00:02:26,350 he was talking about bitcoin 50 00:02:26,374 --> 00:02:30,558 must have been like 2014 or 51 00:02:30,638 --> 00:02:35,258 And anyway, they shut him down 52 00:02:36,038 --> 00:02:39,534 And I pinged him later just in chat. 53 00:02:39,566 --> 00:02:42,390 And it was like, hey, what is 54 00:02:42,414 --> 00:02:42,862 about? 55 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:45,326 Because I had heard about it 56 00:02:45,382 --> 00:02:45,670 time. 57 00:02:45,734 --> 00:02:50,506 And after that he shot me over 58 00:02:50,642 --> 00:02:54,722 And then I listened to that 59 00:02:54,810 --> 00:02:59,194 So this is kind of an off 60 00:02:59,266 --> 00:03:03,618 five, but when would you 61 00:03:03,658 --> 00:03:05,154 Joe Rogan interview to happen? 62 00:03:05,186 --> 00:03:06,810 Do you have any predictions on that? 63 00:03:06,914 --> 00:03:07,698 I don't know. 64 00:03:07,778 --> 00:03:08,798 I think it's. 65 00:03:11,258 --> 00:03:11,970 He probably gets. 66 00:03:11,994 --> 00:03:13,906 I would imagine he probably 67 00:03:13,922 --> 00:03:14,478 time. 68 00:03:14,778 --> 00:03:19,118 There was a time when Club Lab 69 00:03:19,278 --> 00:03:22,086 and we went to a comedy show 70 00:03:22,102 --> 00:03:24,710 some bitcoiners around him at 71 00:03:24,734 --> 00:03:25,902 That I saw at that time. 72 00:03:25,950 --> 00:03:28,118 And I was thinking, I was 73 00:03:28,238 --> 00:03:29,418 And it never did. 74 00:03:29,918 --> 00:03:32,286 But that was like probably 75 00:03:32,302 --> 00:03:33,526 or maybe three years ago. 76 00:03:33,662 --> 00:03:34,614 Forget how long ago. 77 00:03:34,686 --> 00:03:36,598 So I think it's going to 78 00:03:36,758 --> 00:03:38,422 I think, I think off the top 79 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:40,246 You'd need a Parker there for sure. 80 00:03:40,302 --> 00:03:42,302 You would need a Marty Ben and 81 00:03:42,310 --> 00:03:44,064 a Jimmy Song for technical stuff. 82 00:03:44,206 --> 00:03:44,812 I think that would. 83 00:03:44,860 --> 00:03:47,196 Do you think it would be an 84 00:03:47,212 --> 00:03:48,236 where Joe Rogan is? 85 00:03:48,332 --> 00:03:49,628 I think it would be an Austin. 86 00:03:49,748 --> 00:03:52,060 I think it would definitely be 87 00:03:52,164 --> 00:03:56,340 Like it would have to be, but 88 00:03:56,364 --> 00:03:57,004 at some point. 89 00:03:57,076 --> 00:03:57,804 Maybe this cycle. 90 00:03:57,836 --> 00:03:58,608 We'll see. 91 00:03:59,348 --> 00:03:59,708 Cool. 92 00:03:59,748 --> 00:04:04,204 Well, question number two is 93 00:04:04,236 --> 00:04:06,996 that you wish everyone 94 00:04:07,012 --> 00:04:08,248 Is to build on it? 95 00:04:09,308 --> 00:04:11,052 I think that's just not 96 00:04:11,100 --> 00:04:14,478 I think from the sidelines you 97 00:04:14,668 --> 00:04:16,410 You can kind of like bang your. 98 00:04:16,514 --> 00:04:21,918 Bang your fist and be upset 99 00:04:24,178 --> 00:04:27,130 that are trying to push 100 00:04:27,154 --> 00:04:28,522 trying to do commit, you know 101 00:04:28,570 --> 00:04:31,634 And I used to be one of those 102 00:04:31,666 --> 00:04:32,170 about things. 103 00:04:32,234 --> 00:04:34,130 And then when you finally get 104 00:04:34,154 --> 00:04:36,970 spending time with these 105 00:04:36,994 --> 00:04:40,418 builders, you start realizing 106 00:04:40,498 --> 00:04:43,838 building on bitcoin and some 107 00:04:46,098 --> 00:04:49,162 I think that would be one 108 00:04:49,210 --> 00:04:50,938 is how hard it is to build on bitcoin. 109 00:04:50,978 --> 00:04:54,394 And a lot of these people are 110 00:04:54,426 --> 00:04:55,026 nothing else. 111 00:04:55,122 --> 00:04:57,226 Well, I'm sure we're going to 112 00:04:57,242 --> 00:04:58,718 we talk about pleblab. 113 00:04:59,018 --> 00:05:02,466 But question number three is 114 00:05:02,522 --> 00:05:04,158 recommend to other people? 115 00:05:04,858 --> 00:05:08,358 I think the Jameson Lopp one 116 00:05:09,458 --> 00:05:14,118 We try to do our own version 117 00:05:14,658 --> 00:05:15,762 because I would get. 118 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:18,322 People would ask me all the 119 00:05:18,330 --> 00:05:18,754 do I go? 120 00:05:18,786 --> 00:05:21,938 Where do I go if I want to do 121 00:05:21,938 --> 00:05:23,298 I go if I want to get started, like. 122 00:05:23,338 --> 00:05:23,858 And I would. 123 00:05:23,938 --> 00:05:25,198 I never had an answer. 124 00:05:25,938 --> 00:05:29,458 But outside of ours I would 125 00:05:29,578 --> 00:05:33,878 If you go to his like his 126 00:05:34,338 --> 00:05:38,018 a small little Wikipedia of 127 00:05:38,058 --> 00:05:41,846 accelerators, all the 128 00:05:41,902 --> 00:05:42,398 like everything. 129 00:05:42,438 --> 00:05:43,558 It's the best resource. 130 00:05:43,678 --> 00:05:45,606 I think that's lop.net right? 131 00:05:45,702 --> 00:05:46,454 I think so, yeah. 132 00:05:46,526 --> 00:05:46,918 Yeah. 133 00:05:46,998 --> 00:05:49,670 And what would be the pleblob 134 00:05:49,694 --> 00:05:50,782 wanted to check that out? 135 00:05:50,870 --> 00:05:53,614 Yeah, pleb book.com and we're 136 00:05:53,646 --> 00:05:57,750 to push some code on there. 137 00:05:57,774 --> 00:06:01,902 So if you want to help out to 138 00:06:01,950 --> 00:06:04,374 Because it's been about a year 139 00:06:04,406 --> 00:06:07,128 so open to that too as well. 140 00:06:07,278 --> 00:06:10,340 Well, so the next question 141 00:06:10,404 --> 00:06:10,788 Bitcoin. 142 00:06:10,828 --> 00:06:13,940 What's a resource, tool or 143 00:06:13,964 --> 00:06:14,916 your work recently? 144 00:06:15,052 --> 00:06:17,488 So yeah, we're going through 145 00:06:18,428 --> 00:06:20,092 And I think there's been a lot 146 00:06:20,140 --> 00:06:23,340 There's been a lot of things 147 00:06:23,364 --> 00:06:28,188 as like either software or as 148 00:06:28,228 --> 00:06:29,368 or stuff like that. 149 00:06:30,428 --> 00:06:34,630 And lately I've been kind of 150 00:06:34,694 --> 00:06:37,782 trying to find out what's the 151 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:41,222 Because it's like, you know, 152 00:06:41,270 --> 00:06:44,198 I think talking to people 153 00:06:44,238 --> 00:06:46,598 me about like what gear 154 00:06:46,638 --> 00:06:49,518 they're using, like what 155 00:06:49,558 --> 00:06:50,470 Just cause I'm. 156 00:06:50,614 --> 00:06:52,178 It's time for upgrades. 157 00:06:53,238 --> 00:06:55,934 That's what I would say is 158 00:06:55,966 --> 00:06:57,278 Austin bitcoin community. 159 00:06:57,438 --> 00:07:01,334 And now we have our final, 160 00:07:01,406 --> 00:07:01,758 question. 161 00:07:01,838 --> 00:07:02,614 And it's this. 162 00:07:02,726 --> 00:07:04,134 As a general life principle. 163 00:07:04,166 --> 00:07:06,730 Is ADV better to ask why or 164 00:07:06,874 --> 00:07:07,918 I think why? 165 00:07:08,698 --> 00:07:09,994 Yeah, it's better to ask why. 166 00:07:10,026 --> 00:07:12,274 It's better to ask why is that? 167 00:07:12,306 --> 00:07:15,778 And then dive into the reasons 168 00:07:15,818 --> 00:07:21,850 Because even some things that 169 00:07:21,874 --> 00:07:25,370 from the outside looking in, 170 00:07:25,394 --> 00:07:30,666 whole sort of hierarchy of 171 00:07:30,682 --> 00:07:34,068 scenes that, that you just 172 00:07:34,188 --> 00:07:36,408 Just on the surface, I would 173 00:09:43,282 --> 00:09:46,306 Well, Carl, we're here today 174 00:09:46,394 --> 00:09:48,682 I'm guessing that a number of 175 00:09:48,722 --> 00:09:50,762 on a regular basis have heard 176 00:09:50,802 --> 00:09:54,314 But there may be some people 177 00:09:54,338 --> 00:09:56,618 no idea who you are or what 178 00:09:56,650 --> 00:10:01,106 And even those who do know may 179 00:10:01,194 --> 00:10:05,594 I've had the opportunity to 180 00:10:05,618 --> 00:10:08,106 see some of the other things 181 00:10:08,154 --> 00:10:09,402 builder competition. 182 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:11,098 I think we're going to be 183 00:10:11,130 --> 00:10:14,826 but just could you give a 184 00:10:14,834 --> 00:10:15,554 what you're about? 185 00:10:15,658 --> 00:10:15,914 Yeah. 186 00:10:15,938 --> 00:10:16,862 My name is Car. 187 00:10:17,242 --> 00:10:18,898 I started a Plub. 188 00:10:18,930 --> 00:10:19,138 Wow. 189 00:10:19,170 --> 00:10:21,690 With a group of friends in 21. 190 00:10:21,826 --> 00:10:25,298 We were just some plebs that 191 00:10:25,330 --> 00:10:28,314 doing companies and 192 00:10:28,498 --> 00:10:32,018 And so we were able to get a 193 00:10:32,050 --> 00:10:36,332 co working space downtown and 194 00:10:36,412 --> 00:10:38,580 from there we started pleblam. 195 00:10:38,636 --> 00:10:43,532 And almost immediately we 196 00:10:43,572 --> 00:10:44,996 naturally over overnight. 197 00:10:45,044 --> 00:10:47,492 Because Austin was just on 198 00:10:47,532 --> 00:10:48,392 moving here. 199 00:10:48,732 --> 00:10:53,228 It still is, but at that time 200 00:10:53,260 --> 00:10:55,556 right after the Bukele 201 00:10:55,604 --> 00:10:59,836 So we hadn't seen that sort of 202 00:10:59,924 --> 00:11:01,660 Hey, everybody's moving this direction. 203 00:11:01,796 --> 00:11:04,192 But yeah, we were a part of 204 00:11:05,672 --> 00:11:10,012 Shortly after that we helped 205 00:11:10,512 --> 00:11:14,752 my co founder at the time, 206 00:11:14,792 --> 00:11:14,992 too. 207 00:11:15,032 --> 00:11:19,048 And so we raised a little 208 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,144 a bitcoin accelerator. 209 00:11:20,248 --> 00:11:22,712 At the time we really didn't 210 00:11:22,872 --> 00:11:26,128 I think now we're a lot more 211 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,512 ins and outs of it and we're 212 00:11:30,552 --> 00:11:33,852 founders and builders come 213 00:11:33,892 --> 00:11:34,284 success. 214 00:11:34,388 --> 00:11:37,228 And whether that's like 215 00:11:37,260 --> 00:11:40,380 a pre seed or even if they 216 00:11:40,516 --> 00:11:42,980 from the ground up, just as a 217 00:11:42,996 --> 00:11:43,732 them do that. 218 00:11:43,852 --> 00:11:44,612 And so that's what we. 219 00:11:44,652 --> 00:11:47,988 That's primarily I dedicate my 220 00:11:48,180 --> 00:11:50,252 get to success in whatever 221 00:11:50,332 --> 00:11:52,660 And that's what we've been doing. 222 00:11:52,716 --> 00:11:57,068 So if you go to our website, 223 00:11:57,100 --> 00:12:00,630 of people that are part of 224 00:12:00,686 --> 00:12:06,430 this founder community, and 225 00:12:06,446 --> 00:12:08,162 of growing thing that's evolving. 226 00:12:09,142 --> 00:12:12,190 I think you've talked to 227 00:12:12,246 --> 00:12:16,326 new in our accelerator that 228 00:12:16,374 --> 00:12:16,894 company. 229 00:12:17,038 --> 00:12:18,142 It's been a blast. 230 00:12:18,302 --> 00:12:20,934 Yeah, the interview with 231 00:12:20,958 --> 00:12:23,742 it was before he had made some 232 00:12:23,902 --> 00:12:28,654 We did talk a little bit about 233 00:12:28,718 --> 00:12:29,322 education. 234 00:12:29,922 --> 00:12:33,418 That came up in the interview 235 00:12:33,450 --> 00:12:37,234 it, but he was dropping some 236 00:12:37,258 --> 00:12:39,502 as at least a portion of our discussion. 237 00:12:39,842 --> 00:12:46,034 What are some other brands or 238 00:12:46,218 --> 00:12:51,818 that have either started in 239 00:12:51,890 --> 00:12:52,962 from where you guys are? 240 00:12:53,042 --> 00:12:57,180 Yeah, I think our most famous 241 00:12:57,196 --> 00:13:02,852 was something that John had 242 00:13:02,892 --> 00:13:08,948 in Austin and 21 and myself 243 00:13:08,980 --> 00:13:11,708 of helping him shape and build Zap. 244 00:13:11,740 --> 00:13:12,124 Right. 245 00:13:12,228 --> 00:13:16,500 And credit to him because at 246 00:13:16,556 --> 00:13:17,484 like the way he did. 247 00:13:17,548 --> 00:13:23,742 And that just goes to show you 248 00:13:23,782 --> 00:13:27,446 as a builder, you really have 249 00:13:27,494 --> 00:13:30,362 and how you see the world and 250 00:13:30,862 --> 00:13:33,182 But yeah, I would say he's 251 00:13:33,222 --> 00:13:35,522 And then after that would 252 00:13:36,022 --> 00:13:39,446 And that's Keon, one of my 253 00:13:39,494 --> 00:13:41,710 And that's a really cool. 254 00:13:41,886 --> 00:13:42,742 I love that site. 255 00:13:42,782 --> 00:13:45,242 It's one of my favorite sites 256 00:13:45,622 --> 00:13:48,562 It's like Reddit for bitcoin, 257 00:13:48,902 --> 00:13:51,654 And then the other one after 258 00:13:51,678 --> 00:13:55,294 of mine, Michael, who's doing 259 00:13:55,318 --> 00:13:55,614 stuff. 260 00:13:55,678 --> 00:14:01,030 And since then we've had 261 00:14:01,086 --> 00:14:01,734 Agents is one. 262 00:14:01,758 --> 00:14:02,814 It's like an AI company. 263 00:14:02,878 --> 00:14:05,902 We have somebody named Jim 264 00:14:06,022 --> 00:14:06,398 right now. 265 00:14:06,430 --> 00:14:07,630 It's an AI company. 266 00:14:07,766 --> 00:14:11,750 Bit escrow is another kind of 267 00:14:11,766 --> 00:14:12,558 a sort that they're building. 268 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:15,756 It's very, very, very high, 269 00:14:15,884 --> 00:14:20,508 And then, and then we've also 270 00:14:20,540 --> 00:14:24,212 out her company inside of 271 00:14:24,252 --> 00:14:27,676 She just recently left, but it 272 00:14:27,724 --> 00:14:32,092 literally nothing to now she's 273 00:14:32,212 --> 00:14:33,152 her company. 274 00:14:33,692 --> 00:14:34,836 That's really cool. 275 00:14:34,964 --> 00:14:35,832 Who else? 276 00:14:36,132 --> 00:14:37,044 Yeah, it's. 277 00:14:37,108 --> 00:14:37,956 It's a pretty big. 278 00:14:38,004 --> 00:14:43,604 It's a pretty big group of, of 279 00:14:43,628 --> 00:14:46,920 is another company that we've 280 00:14:47,116 --> 00:14:53,472 that has gone on to do amazing 281 00:14:53,552 --> 00:14:59,808 or I think they just launched 282 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,008 an exchange here before the 283 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:02,816 We'll see. 284 00:15:02,984 --> 00:15:05,840 Well, it's really interesting 285 00:15:05,976 --> 00:15:09,512 Hopefully that will give 286 00:15:09,672 --> 00:15:10,896 Pleblab is. 287 00:15:10,944 --> 00:15:14,472 Because I interviewed Tristan 288 00:15:14,512 --> 00:15:15,772 Now they're bit escrow. 289 00:15:16,112 --> 00:15:19,572 Michael was one of the first 290 00:15:19,732 --> 00:15:21,924 ecosystem and we've become 291 00:15:21,948 --> 00:15:23,900 I've interviewed him a couple 292 00:15:24,036 --> 00:15:25,652 Same thing with John from Zapright. 293 00:15:25,692 --> 00:15:30,036 Interviewed him twice and just 294 00:15:30,164 --> 00:15:33,828 So there are a lot of things 295 00:15:34,020 --> 00:15:37,636 One of the things you 296 00:15:37,644 --> 00:15:42,284 Zapright actually moved down 297 00:15:42,428 --> 00:15:44,812 I'm curious how often you've 298 00:15:44,852 --> 00:15:48,140 You said back in 2021 there 299 00:15:48,196 --> 00:15:52,086 Austin for all sorts of 300 00:15:52,094 --> 00:15:52,782 were a number of. 301 00:15:52,862 --> 00:15:55,326 I've talked with a number of 302 00:15:55,374 --> 00:15:56,990 for the bitcoin community. 303 00:15:57,126 --> 00:16:01,670 How many people have come to 304 00:16:01,686 --> 00:16:05,718 they can have that startup 305 00:16:05,870 --> 00:16:08,102 space and other builders 306 00:16:08,182 --> 00:16:10,734 Yeah, I think I want to see 307 00:16:10,758 --> 00:16:15,102 in Club Lab besides me that 308 00:16:15,142 --> 00:16:16,282 or for to build. 309 00:16:17,252 --> 00:16:22,948 I think the last one that 310 00:16:22,980 --> 00:16:26,628 already here trying to think 311 00:16:26,660 --> 00:16:28,756 Probably Nifty was the last 312 00:16:28,804 --> 00:16:29,672 to Austin. 313 00:16:30,052 --> 00:16:34,244 Maybe her I would probably say 314 00:16:34,308 --> 00:16:38,348 I have this saying inside the 315 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:43,524 And so I'm like, I'm always on 316 00:16:43,588 --> 00:16:45,308 builder to recruit to Austin. 317 00:16:45,380 --> 00:16:49,008 Like, I will go out of my way 318 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,728 to me, I really see this thing 319 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:54,288 on Bitcoin. 320 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,168 And I was saying that earlier, 321 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,672 type of skill sets, a certain 322 00:17:01,712 --> 00:17:03,972 type of person. 323 00:17:04,512 --> 00:17:08,208 And so when you're trying to 324 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,664 find if they fall into all 325 00:17:10,728 --> 00:17:12,120 And I really don't have it formalized. 326 00:17:12,176 --> 00:17:13,288 It's more of a. 327 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,128 I've been doing it for four 328 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,042 So it's more of a kind of 329 00:17:19,122 --> 00:17:20,866 or something that I've seen before? 330 00:17:20,954 --> 00:17:21,378 And, like. 331 00:17:21,410 --> 00:17:22,850 And that's what I'm kind of 332 00:17:22,946 --> 00:17:25,170 And so there's two people 333 00:17:25,186 --> 00:17:27,722 I'm trying to recruit to 334 00:17:27,762 --> 00:17:29,422 here because I want them in 335 00:17:29,962 --> 00:17:31,882 So it's kind of like that. 336 00:17:31,962 --> 00:17:36,594 I look at it more like really, 337 00:17:36,618 --> 00:17:39,994 the people that you want 338 00:17:40,018 --> 00:17:40,818 gather everybody. 339 00:17:40,890 --> 00:17:42,408 Like, I'm just trying to 340 00:17:42,530 --> 00:17:45,460 Like, you know, we have the 341 00:17:45,476 --> 00:17:45,884 it's. 342 00:17:45,988 --> 00:17:48,596 If it's mediocre, you probably 343 00:17:48,724 --> 00:17:50,572 Like, you probably should go 344 00:17:50,652 --> 00:17:52,432 And that's not, like, to be, like. 345 00:17:53,332 --> 00:17:54,292 Like, rude or anything. 346 00:17:54,332 --> 00:17:57,044 It just means, like, we have a 347 00:17:57,068 --> 00:17:58,140 to fall in that standard. 348 00:17:58,196 --> 00:18:00,284 And so the bar is really high. 349 00:18:00,388 --> 00:18:05,180 And so if you're not trying to 350 00:18:05,236 --> 00:18:08,700 or incredibly outside the box, 351 00:18:08,716 --> 00:18:10,828 punch above your weight, 352 00:18:10,860 --> 00:18:11,628 go somewhere else. 353 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:12,100 And. 354 00:18:12,196 --> 00:18:15,792 Yeah, and I don't feel bad 355 00:18:15,872 --> 00:18:16,320 It's just. 356 00:18:16,376 --> 00:18:18,472 It's just who we are because 357 00:18:18,512 --> 00:18:24,280 before us, and they've kind of 358 00:18:24,296 --> 00:18:25,792 be accomplished inside of the lab. 359 00:18:25,952 --> 00:18:29,248 So you've mentioned a couple 360 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:29,472 on. 361 00:18:29,512 --> 00:18:32,512 I'm wondering if you could 362 00:18:32,552 --> 00:18:36,000 more because, you know, I'm 363 00:18:36,016 --> 00:18:36,216 all. 364 00:18:36,264 --> 00:18:38,944 And I think a lot of people in 365 00:18:39,048 --> 00:18:43,330 And so it's easy to take 366 00:18:43,346 --> 00:18:44,074 why don't we have this thing? 367 00:18:44,098 --> 00:18:44,994 Why don't we have this thing? 368 00:18:45,058 --> 00:18:46,762 Without really knowing what 369 00:18:46,802 --> 00:18:49,514 So getting kind of a behind 370 00:18:49,618 --> 00:18:51,018 I think would be really valuable. 371 00:18:51,170 --> 00:18:53,522 Yeah, I think the biggest 372 00:18:53,562 --> 00:18:57,642 revenue right inside of this 373 00:18:57,802 --> 00:19:01,266 It was a little bit different 374 00:19:01,354 --> 00:19:03,818 And I say that because they 375 00:19:03,850 --> 00:19:08,702 2.0 and they really kind of 376 00:19:08,742 --> 00:19:12,782 to do things the hard way, 377 00:19:12,942 --> 00:19:16,262 And before you would have this 378 00:19:16,302 --> 00:19:18,542 can basically think of it kind 379 00:19:18,582 --> 00:19:21,286 Like there's like a spigot of 380 00:19:21,334 --> 00:19:22,762 It's right with the miners. 381 00:19:23,182 --> 00:19:23,614 Right. 382 00:19:23,678 --> 00:19:26,030 And so when you have these 383 00:19:26,086 --> 00:19:31,814 run like a, like a hose from 384 00:19:31,838 --> 00:19:34,031 of think of Stacker news, right? 385 00:19:34,071 --> 00:19:37,599 So he's able to run a host 386 00:19:37,695 --> 00:19:39,823 into his kind of platform. 387 00:19:39,967 --> 00:19:43,207 And then like there's a 388 00:19:43,239 --> 00:19:43,455 out. 389 00:19:43,503 --> 00:19:45,011 Same thing with fountain is another. 390 00:19:45,511 --> 00:19:46,063 But it's. 391 00:19:46,127 --> 00:19:49,791 But during that time it was a 392 00:19:49,791 --> 00:19:51,931 was much easier to do. 393 00:19:52,631 --> 00:19:55,751 There was much more revenue 394 00:19:55,791 --> 00:19:56,087 that way. 395 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,367 But it was all custodial. 396 00:19:57,439 --> 00:20:01,058 So the Biden Harris 397 00:20:01,090 --> 00:20:04,502 got pretty much got rid of 398 00:20:05,482 --> 00:20:08,994 with Phoenix left and there's 399 00:20:09,138 --> 00:20:09,946 because of that. 400 00:20:09,994 --> 00:20:14,154 And so the non custodial part 401 00:20:14,218 --> 00:20:16,954 It's like now you have to 402 00:20:17,018 --> 00:20:17,622 way. 403 00:20:18,442 --> 00:20:23,090 There's different types of 404 00:20:23,146 --> 00:20:26,206 through like Mints or through 405 00:20:26,254 --> 00:20:31,110 type of like layer of bitcoin, 406 00:20:31,286 --> 00:20:33,790 but that requires them to hold 407 00:20:33,846 --> 00:20:37,478 And that's as you know, as I 408 00:20:37,550 --> 00:20:39,838 throughout history whenever 409 00:20:39,870 --> 00:20:40,574 bitcoin. 410 00:20:40,718 --> 00:20:43,782 So that's not an option, at 411 00:20:43,822 --> 00:20:44,182 revenue. 412 00:20:44,222 --> 00:20:47,182 So it, it really comes down to 413 00:20:47,222 --> 00:20:49,722 You have to find something that. 414 00:20:50,792 --> 00:20:54,904 Because bitcoin is entirely 415 00:20:54,928 --> 00:20:57,024 a middleman, so you really 416 00:20:57,168 --> 00:21:00,360 It's very hard for you to make 417 00:21:00,456 --> 00:21:03,360 That also falls into the ethos 418 00:21:03,416 --> 00:21:03,680 Right. 419 00:21:03,736 --> 00:21:06,824 Because you, Josh, you can 420 00:21:06,848 --> 00:21:09,772 you car if I can just send it 421 00:21:10,632 --> 00:21:11,744 That makes no sense. 422 00:21:11,808 --> 00:21:14,128 And that's what we're trying 423 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,416 I think the hardest part about 424 00:21:17,504 --> 00:21:20,766 And then, and then once you 425 00:21:20,774 --> 00:21:24,382 to figure out, like the whole 426 00:21:24,462 --> 00:21:26,042 which is extremely hard. 427 00:21:26,742 --> 00:21:28,430 And then there's that. 428 00:21:28,566 --> 00:21:30,630 So then there's all the 429 00:21:30,646 --> 00:21:31,726 figure out too, as well. 430 00:21:31,854 --> 00:21:33,966 So that's why when we were 431 00:21:33,974 --> 00:21:34,694 who are you looking for? 432 00:21:34,718 --> 00:21:36,166 I'm looking for somebody who loves. 433 00:21:36,214 --> 00:21:37,830 Enjoys pain pretty much. 434 00:21:37,966 --> 00:21:41,534 It's like, is there somebody 435 00:21:41,558 --> 00:21:43,654 the head over and over and 436 00:21:43,678 --> 00:21:46,350 over and over and over again 437 00:21:46,366 --> 00:21:49,510 single time and still march on 438 00:21:49,646 --> 00:21:52,406 And that's what you're trying 439 00:21:52,494 --> 00:21:59,198 especially in bitcoin, because 440 00:21:59,230 --> 00:21:59,726 get tough. 441 00:21:59,774 --> 00:22:03,542 But as bitcoin founders, most 442 00:22:03,582 --> 00:22:07,454 to building formation and also 443 00:22:07,518 --> 00:22:12,774 That's why whenever I think I 444 00:22:12,878 --> 00:22:18,030 fold or like, even, even 445 00:22:18,046 --> 00:22:20,694 when they were doing Unchained 446 00:22:20,718 --> 00:22:24,870 like, wow, like they, they 447 00:22:24,966 --> 00:22:26,402 and they figured it out. 448 00:22:26,782 --> 00:22:29,342 And so that's why I'm saying 449 00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:30,118 really hard. 450 00:22:30,270 --> 00:22:33,998 So most of the easiest ways to 451 00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:37,560 which is why you see, like, 452 00:22:37,616 --> 00:22:38,328 direction. 453 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,336 Same thing with Zap, right? 454 00:22:39,384 --> 00:22:39,992 Is payments. 455 00:22:40,072 --> 00:22:43,744 So they're very modular, so 456 00:22:43,808 --> 00:22:45,544 which I think is still. 457 00:22:45,728 --> 00:22:48,904 They should be charging more, 458 00:22:48,968 --> 00:22:50,688 And same thing with Snacker News. 459 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,440 They're charging, like, 460 00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:55,264 money off this community that 461 00:22:55,328 --> 00:22:59,120 So once you figure out that 462 00:22:59,176 --> 00:23:01,976 manageable as far as, like, 463 00:23:01,984 --> 00:23:03,062 of start planning For. 464 00:23:03,192 --> 00:23:05,026 So I'm curious here. 465 00:23:05,154 --> 00:23:10,010 Is it that people are building 466 00:23:10,026 --> 00:23:14,218 the fiat system and people 467 00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:17,754 created yet, they don't need 468 00:23:17,778 --> 00:23:18,634 to pay for it? 469 00:23:18,738 --> 00:23:23,738 Or do you see this being an 470 00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:26,874 space when people are trying 471 00:23:26,898 --> 00:23:29,422 make revenue with their 472 00:23:29,782 --> 00:23:30,182 Yeah. 473 00:23:30,222 --> 00:23:32,910 So let me think of an example. 474 00:23:33,086 --> 00:23:34,158 Okay, this is a perfect example. 475 00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:36,470 So, like, you know, you 476 00:23:36,486 --> 00:23:38,462 your podcast, right? 477 00:23:38,622 --> 00:23:42,790 You could use Spotify or you 478 00:23:42,806 --> 00:23:44,574 other podcast, but you use Fountain. 479 00:23:44,678 --> 00:23:48,398 I would imagine you use that 480 00:23:48,510 --> 00:23:51,494 on that platform and they make 481 00:23:51,518 --> 00:23:54,062 wallet and to shoot it out 482 00:23:54,102 --> 00:23:54,622 limit. 483 00:23:54,742 --> 00:23:56,550 And so you're able to generate 484 00:23:56,606 --> 00:24:00,286 Well, with that, Oliver's or 485 00:24:00,334 --> 00:24:02,994 some sort of revenue from that 486 00:24:03,138 --> 00:24:06,562 You know, it's smaller, it's 487 00:24:06,602 --> 00:24:08,130 because he has that on his 488 00:24:08,186 --> 00:24:12,042 And I think when you're 489 00:24:12,082 --> 00:24:13,810 pour it over, they really need 490 00:24:13,906 --> 00:24:16,226 And I think this is where, 491 00:24:16,314 --> 00:24:18,722 I think there's this kind of 492 00:24:18,762 --> 00:24:19,370 again. 493 00:24:19,546 --> 00:24:25,530 Because I think what we're 494 00:24:25,546 --> 00:24:28,890 know, the Z generation, I 495 00:24:28,946 --> 00:24:29,782 like, they're. 496 00:24:30,272 --> 00:24:33,832 Their mind is very short, 497 00:24:33,912 --> 00:24:37,336 So they need like dopamine 498 00:24:37,384 --> 00:24:38,688 like, kind of. 499 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,296 There needs to be more than 500 00:24:42,344 --> 00:24:44,688 to get something out of as a service. 501 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,344 And this is where when I think 502 00:24:47,368 --> 00:24:49,680 they're going to have this 503 00:24:49,696 --> 00:24:53,288 to be able to give them that 504 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,452 built in, but also allow them 505 00:24:56,872 --> 00:24:59,704 And when you think of that, 506 00:24:59,808 --> 00:25:03,128 that's going to come through 507 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,408 these kind of milestones that 508 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,648 And that's where I think when 509 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,904 project or building a bitcoin 510 00:25:12,968 --> 00:25:15,280 long and hard about how you're 511 00:25:15,296 --> 00:25:20,080 there's a slice of that 512 00:25:20,136 --> 00:25:20,376 from. 513 00:25:20,424 --> 00:25:25,588 And I think when I think of G, 514 00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:27,476 Go is a successful product. 515 00:25:27,644 --> 00:25:29,900 But like what would a bitcoin 516 00:25:29,956 --> 00:25:32,924 It would be incredibly, it 517 00:25:32,948 --> 00:25:34,788 it would probably be 518 00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:37,980 really young people excluding 519 00:25:37,996 --> 00:25:38,284 it too. 520 00:25:38,308 --> 00:25:41,571 But the, it would probably be 521 00:25:41,631 --> 00:25:45,164 18 to 35 of that kind of, that 522 00:25:45,188 --> 00:25:45,612 it. 523 00:25:45,732 --> 00:25:49,188 So that's where, when I think 524 00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:53,034 it's, it's important to really 525 00:25:53,108 --> 00:25:57,086 that you want to check off 526 00:25:57,134 --> 00:25:57,486 revenue. 527 00:25:57,534 --> 00:26:00,262 And I think you need to 528 00:26:00,342 --> 00:26:05,646 exactly what, exactly what 529 00:26:05,694 --> 00:26:06,282 Right. 530 00:26:07,342 --> 00:26:10,166 We were talking about Fountain 531 00:26:10,214 --> 00:26:13,350 from this podcast and you're 532 00:26:13,406 --> 00:26:16,622 and that's the agreed upon 533 00:26:16,662 --> 00:26:18,042 contract that you have with them. 534 00:26:18,542 --> 00:26:23,180 And I think as long as that is 535 00:26:23,196 --> 00:26:26,836 of you, I think you will 536 00:26:26,884 --> 00:26:29,852 stay away from using Spotify 537 00:26:30,012 --> 00:26:31,596 I appreciate that explanation. 538 00:26:31,724 --> 00:26:34,828 Now one of the things you have 539 00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:38,804 I don't know if this is a way 540 00:26:38,868 --> 00:26:42,516 but the Top Builder 541 00:26:42,564 --> 00:26:46,468 in bringing attention and 542 00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:48,988 I don't know exactly how many 543 00:26:49,180 --> 00:26:52,790 I know there was one last 544 00:26:52,806 --> 00:26:53,702 you had one as well. 545 00:26:53,742 --> 00:26:56,174 But what, what, what's Top Builder? 546 00:26:56,198 --> 00:26:59,830 How did it come about and how 547 00:26:59,926 --> 00:27:02,350 bring people and interest to pleblab? 548 00:27:02,446 --> 00:27:06,838 Yeah, so there was, there was 549 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:08,122 was Brian. 550 00:27:08,662 --> 00:27:09,478 Shout Out Brian. 551 00:27:09,550 --> 00:27:10,722 Amazing guy. 552 00:27:11,382 --> 00:27:12,990 The whole team there is great. 553 00:27:13,166 --> 00:27:17,360 And we were talking about, 554 00:27:17,376 --> 00:27:20,248 to help you guys, let's do 555 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,128 And I was like, cool. 556 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,452 I was like, if you guys 557 00:27:23,912 --> 00:27:27,128 And so at the time we were 558 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,184 maybe we should do a hackathon. 559 00:27:28,208 --> 00:27:29,304 But I was like, eh, hackathons. 560 00:27:29,368 --> 00:27:31,984 Like I don't think you get 561 00:27:32,008 --> 00:27:34,192 With hackathons, I think there 562 00:27:34,272 --> 00:27:36,664 And I don't know if it was my 563 00:27:36,688 --> 00:27:39,744 I forget whose idea it was, 564 00:27:39,768 --> 00:27:43,052 do like Top Chef style for 565 00:27:43,192 --> 00:27:45,452 And there's one thing about 566 00:27:45,492 --> 00:27:46,832 very competitive people. 567 00:27:47,612 --> 00:27:51,908 We love making bets, we love 568 00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:52,780 for the most part. 569 00:27:52,876 --> 00:27:55,244 I think the way I initially 570 00:27:55,268 --> 00:27:58,948 do like a Top Chef for bitcoin 571 00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:01,972 And we'll try to find the best 572 00:28:02,012 --> 00:28:05,460 And then every round we'll cut 573 00:28:05,476 --> 00:28:08,028 to the top five and then we'll 574 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:11,242 present in front of everybody 575 00:28:11,242 --> 00:28:12,554 then they'll pick the Top Builder. 576 00:28:12,658 --> 00:28:13,942 It's like really simple. 577 00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:17,050 And so that's where the idea 578 00:28:17,186 --> 00:28:18,994 It was really successful last year. 579 00:28:19,018 --> 00:28:20,662 I think CNBC covered it. 580 00:28:21,242 --> 00:28:23,514 It was like a whole big thing 581 00:28:23,658 --> 00:28:24,902 It was awesome. 582 00:28:25,562 --> 00:28:29,474 I was very proud that we as a 583 00:28:29,498 --> 00:28:30,382 pull it off. 584 00:28:30,882 --> 00:28:33,194 This year we're going to be 585 00:28:33,258 --> 00:28:35,218 2 and it's going to be 586 00:28:35,290 --> 00:28:41,664 So Arman, who is this 587 00:28:41,688 --> 00:28:46,952 dox him, but he decided that 588 00:28:46,992 --> 00:28:50,200 Like the people in Plub Lab, 589 00:28:50,256 --> 00:28:55,728 He wants to have this options 590 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,800 when things are tight during a 591 00:28:57,856 --> 00:29:01,544 So he created Type Stamp to 592 00:29:01,648 --> 00:29:04,946 has never been created before 593 00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:07,594 It's in the Fiat space, but 594 00:29:07,738 --> 00:29:13,266 And so we're going to partner 595 00:29:13,434 --> 00:29:14,274 Season 2. 596 00:29:14,378 --> 00:29:17,986 And yeah, and right now I'm in 597 00:29:18,074 --> 00:29:18,330 right now. 598 00:29:18,346 --> 00:29:21,074 You can go to the website, 599 00:29:21,258 --> 00:29:26,210 read through all the stuff and 600 00:29:26,226 --> 00:29:30,936 that type form, I'll be 601 00:29:30,984 --> 00:29:35,344 kind of fall into the 602 00:29:35,368 --> 00:29:36,056 of Top Builder. 603 00:29:36,104 --> 00:29:40,364 Because I think last year we 604 00:29:40,473 --> 00:29:46,064 views and then we had like 605 00:29:46,128 --> 00:29:50,852 And then I got them down to 606 00:29:51,352 --> 00:29:52,008 And then. 607 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,504 Yeah, and then from there we 608 00:29:55,528 --> 00:29:57,454 Yopaki won top Builder last year. 609 00:29:57,568 --> 00:30:00,762 That's what the judges voted 610 00:30:00,842 --> 00:30:03,794 And I think there's also a 611 00:30:03,938 --> 00:30:07,026 But not only that, it's like 612 00:30:07,074 --> 00:30:11,410 week basically kind of like 613 00:30:11,426 --> 00:30:12,570 Club Lab community. 614 00:30:12,746 --> 00:30:16,858 And then from there it's just 615 00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:18,578 or your project accelerates. 616 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:20,994 And then you're also getting 617 00:30:21,058 --> 00:30:24,142 like a lot of our network and 618 00:30:24,282 --> 00:30:27,238 And then before you know it, 619 00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:30,246 bitcoin company and you're 620 00:30:30,374 --> 00:30:33,638 And so that's, for me is 621 00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:37,174 people transform themselves 622 00:30:37,198 --> 00:30:39,542 do this, to actually getting 623 00:30:39,582 --> 00:30:40,830 And it's like, whoa. 624 00:30:41,006 --> 00:30:43,574 And last year was really 625 00:30:43,598 --> 00:30:46,446 good teams that I really 626 00:30:46,494 --> 00:30:50,488 But, like, seeing where they 627 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,160 like super bullish for bitcoin 628 00:30:54,216 --> 00:30:57,012 that I don't think would have 629 00:30:57,632 --> 00:31:00,504 Because hackathons are good, 630 00:31:00,528 --> 00:31:00,984 weekend. 631 00:31:01,088 --> 00:31:03,732 And it's very rare that 632 00:31:05,192 --> 00:31:08,568 But I think you need a 633 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,288 people going. 634 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,448 And because I would firmly 635 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,408 bitcoinization, we need more 636 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,374 Like, we need more bitcoin businesses. 637 00:31:17,438 --> 00:31:20,190 And until we have more of 638 00:31:20,206 --> 00:31:21,766 a bitcoinization anytime soon. 639 00:31:21,894 --> 00:31:27,422 I think we tried in the early 640 00:31:27,462 --> 00:31:30,766 had businesses to accept 641 00:31:30,814 --> 00:31:33,966 just to build companies and 642 00:31:34,134 --> 00:31:35,206 Not easier, but it's. 643 00:31:35,254 --> 00:31:35,974 It's a. 644 00:31:36,118 --> 00:31:38,870 It's faster as far as like the timeframe. 645 00:31:39,006 --> 00:31:41,158 And what was the event in 646 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:43,894 I know Oliver was talking 647 00:31:43,998 --> 00:31:48,118 Was that Top Builder or just a 648 00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:48,678 down there? 649 00:31:48,790 --> 00:31:49,014 Yeah. 650 00:31:49,038 --> 00:31:49,550 So we did. 651 00:31:49,606 --> 00:31:51,062 We do two Startup Days a year. 652 00:31:51,142 --> 00:31:55,802 So Startup Day is the one that 653 00:31:56,262 --> 00:31:59,422 We'll have another one here in 654 00:31:59,462 --> 00:32:00,122 Commons. 655 00:32:00,982 --> 00:32:05,046 And we, we do the Tom Builder 656 00:32:05,094 --> 00:32:09,734 So during March and then we do 657 00:32:09,758 --> 00:32:10,366 summer. 658 00:32:10,534 --> 00:32:12,842 And that was the one that we 659 00:32:13,812 --> 00:32:18,052 And so that one was really 660 00:32:18,092 --> 00:32:21,804 that we had, I would say 661 00:32:21,828 --> 00:32:25,596 that were presenting that day 662 00:32:25,724 --> 00:32:28,872 And I think we probably, I 663 00:32:29,252 --> 00:32:32,300 that I had recruited 664 00:32:32,436 --> 00:32:35,780 in Startup Day because I felt 665 00:32:35,836 --> 00:32:37,668 probably should take a look at. 666 00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:44,300 So we did our best to present 667 00:32:44,356 --> 00:32:48,700 in bitcoin to everybody and 668 00:32:48,756 --> 00:32:52,072 This is what we think are the 669 00:32:52,532 --> 00:32:54,148 Here they go, here they are. 670 00:32:54,260 --> 00:32:56,220 And so that's what we did in 671 00:32:56,276 --> 00:33:00,444 I think next year we probably 672 00:33:00,468 --> 00:33:06,490 It was so hard to do another 673 00:33:06,506 --> 00:33:08,698 of the language barrier and 674 00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:10,262 extremely difficult. 675 00:33:11,162 --> 00:33:14,298 And it would have probably 676 00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:15,102 America. 677 00:33:16,002 --> 00:33:20,130 But I think it looked great 678 00:33:20,186 --> 00:33:24,202 asking about it, I think than 679 00:33:24,242 --> 00:33:25,662 But I mean, I don't know. 680 00:33:26,442 --> 00:33:28,994 I think next year, I haven't 681 00:33:29,018 --> 00:33:32,342 we're going to do for the 682 00:33:33,092 --> 00:33:36,004 it'll be in America maybe, I 683 00:33:36,028 --> 00:33:36,308 We'll see. 684 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:36,876 I don't know. 685 00:33:36,964 --> 00:33:39,148 I'm still thinking through 686 00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:40,436 Maybe we can do it at the 687 00:33:40,484 --> 00:33:41,740 I think that would be kind of cool. 688 00:33:41,876 --> 00:33:45,172 So I guess the last question 689 00:33:45,212 --> 00:33:48,604 from you is do you see any 690 00:33:48,668 --> 00:33:53,636 people should be building with 691 00:33:53,764 --> 00:33:57,244 you see out there that you 692 00:33:57,268 --> 00:34:00,830 there's no current great, like 693 00:34:00,926 --> 00:34:05,070 I think there's some really 694 00:34:05,206 --> 00:34:08,782 be achieved through the non 695 00:34:08,902 --> 00:34:12,598 And I mean this like in like 696 00:34:12,670 --> 00:34:15,802 with, with their stuff in. 697 00:34:16,542 --> 00:34:19,238 I think because they pulled 698 00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:23,534 a gap there in the United 699 00:34:23,598 --> 00:34:25,478 and I don't know of anybody 700 00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:26,982 There probably is somebody 701 00:34:27,022 --> 00:34:28,678 Maybe it's, it's probably more 702 00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:32,478 But as far as a business, I 703 00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:35,630 inside the US that kind of 704 00:34:35,686 --> 00:34:36,422 that would. 705 00:34:36,582 --> 00:34:37,710 That would be really interesting. 706 00:34:37,766 --> 00:34:39,758 And I would imagine it's just 707 00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:42,718 it would take to do something 708 00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:45,606 probably why that's the only 709 00:34:45,654 --> 00:34:46,166 I think the. 710 00:34:46,214 --> 00:34:48,510 I think the most interesting 711 00:34:48,526 --> 00:34:49,442 I think could. 712 00:34:50,262 --> 00:34:52,502 Could be really interesting to 713 00:34:52,542 --> 00:34:53,182 AI stuff. 714 00:34:53,222 --> 00:34:57,128 I think that bitcoin AI 715 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,092 But it. 716 00:34:58,472 --> 00:35:02,932 Right now it feels like we 717 00:35:03,752 --> 00:35:05,088 his startup here. 718 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,944 And I think the thing that I 719 00:35:07,968 --> 00:35:10,312 is that kind of sprinkler 720 00:35:10,472 --> 00:35:17,184 I think once we crack that on 721 00:35:17,208 --> 00:35:22,622 there could be significant 722 00:35:23,202 --> 00:35:24,042 And the. 723 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:27,722 So when I think of that, I 724 00:35:27,762 --> 00:35:30,746 what he's doing, because I 725 00:35:30,874 --> 00:35:32,298 figure it out because he. 726 00:35:32,410 --> 00:35:34,582 They build so fast on that side. 727 00:35:35,082 --> 00:35:37,618 And even with Christopher 728 00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:42,018 and stuff like that, like, 729 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:45,914 favor for them to figure it 730 00:35:46,098 --> 00:35:50,684 And so when they do figure it 731 00:35:50,708 --> 00:35:54,596 of the window for everybody, 732 00:35:54,604 --> 00:35:57,916 in and copy it and be like, 733 00:35:57,924 --> 00:35:58,792 do that too. 734 00:35:59,252 --> 00:36:01,932 And that's just normal startup 735 00:36:02,052 --> 00:36:06,352 So I think the AI stuff is 736 00:36:08,092 --> 00:36:09,116 it's going to be some time. 737 00:36:09,164 --> 00:36:11,308 But I think once they do 738 00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:13,732 wow, that was so right in 739 00:36:13,812 --> 00:36:14,316 Very cool. 740 00:36:14,364 --> 00:36:16,740 Well, hopefully we'll see some 741 00:36:16,796 --> 00:36:21,024 But yeah, a lot of this is 742 00:36:21,048 --> 00:36:25,824 all of a sudden it explodes 743 00:36:25,928 --> 00:36:29,968 I interviewed John probably 744 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,288 of this podcast. 745 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,848 And then it wasn't until last 746 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,088 about Zapright. 747 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,064 And right now there are things 748 00:36:40,088 --> 00:36:42,648 or so that we're not going to 749 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:46,940 But it's exciting to know that 750 00:36:47,116 --> 00:36:51,300 builders have a place for 751 00:36:51,396 --> 00:36:52,748 share ideas with other people. 752 00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:56,084 Do you have any final thoughts 753 00:36:56,228 --> 00:36:58,828 As well as places where you'd 754 00:36:58,860 --> 00:37:00,340 to keep up with Pleblab. 755 00:37:00,436 --> 00:37:02,604 Yeah, I just want to thank 756 00:37:02,628 --> 00:37:03,588 do in bitcoin. 757 00:37:03,740 --> 00:37:05,472 I don't think you get enough credit. 758 00:37:05,972 --> 00:37:07,788 Like you said, you've been very. 759 00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:12,024 What you do about getting the 760 00:37:12,128 --> 00:37:13,200 exactly what they need. 761 00:37:13,256 --> 00:37:18,704 Like, they really need the 762 00:37:18,888 --> 00:37:22,920 push to have them to keep 763 00:37:22,936 --> 00:37:26,048 a very good feeling to be able 764 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,344 building. 765 00:37:26,408 --> 00:37:29,600 And so like, yeah, thank you 766 00:37:29,616 --> 00:37:31,648 doing with your podcast is exceptional. 767 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,752 And like you said, you have 768 00:37:34,792 --> 00:37:38,390 hey, you're following closely 769 00:37:38,406 --> 00:37:39,246 on in the ecosystem. 770 00:37:39,294 --> 00:37:41,798 So, yeah, I just want to say 771 00:37:41,830 --> 00:37:44,950 anybody out there who's 772 00:37:45,006 --> 00:37:47,926 company, come find me in 773 00:37:48,054 --> 00:37:49,454 Car club lab. 774 00:37:49,638 --> 00:37:52,710 And yeah, let's talk because I 775 00:37:52,726 --> 00:37:53,750 I think we can. 776 00:37:53,926 --> 00:37:54,782 It's a bull run. 777 00:37:54,822 --> 00:37:55,486 It's like not. 778 00:37:55,534 --> 00:37:58,190 It's the best time to build a 779 00:37:58,326 --> 00:38:00,750 I mean, there's great times to 780 00:38:00,806 --> 00:38:01,758 like really great times. 781 00:38:01,790 --> 00:38:04,302 And during a bull run is like 782 00:38:04,342 --> 00:38:04,800 company. 783 00:38:04,926 --> 00:38:07,092 And there's so many problems 784 00:38:07,212 --> 00:38:07,868 And if you have a. 785 00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:10,764 If you have a great idea and 786 00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:11,876 if you're non technical. 787 00:38:11,964 --> 00:38:13,124 That's how we met Francisco. 788 00:38:13,188 --> 00:38:17,940 Like he was non technical, had 789 00:38:17,996 --> 00:38:22,132 to pull it off, was 790 00:38:22,172 --> 00:38:22,948 everything else. 791 00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:25,300 Didn't have a developer, 792 00:38:25,436 --> 00:38:29,732 He came to Pleb Lab and within 793 00:38:29,772 --> 00:38:32,472 now he's building a bitcoin 794 00:38:32,822 --> 00:38:35,202 That's how easy it is within 795 00:38:35,622 --> 00:38:39,894 So I would say if you're 796 00:38:40,078 --> 00:38:41,646 and we'd love to help you get 797 00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:42,774 Yeah, sounds good. 798 00:38:42,798 --> 00:38:44,414 Well, Carr, thank you so much 799 00:38:44,438 --> 00:38:45,382 It's been a pleasure. 800 00:38:45,542 --> 00:38:46,006 Thank you. 801 00:38:46,054 --> 00:38:46,830 Thank you, Josh. 802 00:38:46,966 --> 00:38:47,902 Well, friends, it's a wrap. 803 00:38:47,942 --> 00:38:51,822 Thanks so much for listening 804 00:38:51,942 --> 00:38:52,390 Show. 805 00:38:52,486 --> 00:38:55,102 If you want to reach out to 806 00:38:55,142 --> 00:38:59,736 links down in the show notes, 807 00:38:59,824 --> 00:39:00,952 competition as well. 808 00:39:01,032 --> 00:39:04,792 As always, keep building, keep 809 00:39:04,832 --> 00:39:06,160 living and leading. 810 00:39:06,256 --> 00:39:13,056 Well, thanks to those who have 811 00:39:13,104 --> 00:39:17,329 in the last week, including 812 00:39:17,437 --> 00:39:24,400 signs, who both stream sats to 813 00:39:24,508 --> 00:39:29,486 a boost and said zapping 814 00:39:29,574 --> 00:39:32,246 If you would like to support 815 00:39:32,294 --> 00:39:34,702 app and either stream chats as 816 00:39:34,742 --> 00:39:37,598 And if you include a note with 817 00:39:37,630 --> 00:39:38,302 it on the show.