We don't know what comes out
its main medium of exchange.
And we don't know how our
valuing things in sats instead
start saving most of our
than into a devaluing
coming from Berlin that nobody
So our main job here is to
more vendors onto bitcoin,
a higher percentage of their
And.
Welcome to the Business
to helping you enrich your
bitcoin, the hardest money on
I'm your host, Josh
Charlie Stevens, who lives in
Salvador and has onboarded
bitcoin.
We're going to talk about that
and we're going to get to that
Charlie, welcome to the podcast.
Josh, it's an absolute
talk some bitcoin.
Absolutely.
So I like to start off every
that help us to get to know
us some insight for our own lives.
So, you ready for these?
Hit me.
Question number one.
Is this, when and how did you
I learned about bitcoin after,
a large accountancy firm.
And I get a phone call from my
baby, and he told me he'd made
And I had a little look in,
We made Instagram accounts and
But eventually, when I started
I realized that you needed to
which is bitcoin, which is the
unconfiscatable money that
going forward.
Right.
So I think it's good to double
someone's listening to this,
some other place like that.
They might not have caught
differentiation between the
bitcoin.
Why a lot of people don't do that.
A lot of people don't see that.
What do you see there?
Well, I think we have to go
think of it as a language or
So if you had to change the
that the train passed in, it
If you go to another country
try to communicate something
quite difficult to communicate
Money is our way of being able
And if you're not on the same
rails, it's more inconvenient
So money tends to go towards
So we only need one type of
And if we're all on the same
It's like having a one metric
the globe.
Everything is standardized,
The ultimate reason why
other cryptos is because of
Humans tend to be emotional,
the constitution are written,
circumstances, people want to
more viable and everybody
And the same thing would
happens during COVID everyone
had an excuse to increase the
40% because it was an extreme circumstance.
Bitcoin has unchangeable rules.
So no matter what we do,
the underlying 21 million
That's ultimately what governs bitcoin.
And you can't say the same for
You cannot remake scarcity in
That that's its ultimate key feature.
It's the fact that it's truly
something that's truly scarce
in something that will last eternity.
So you may have already
I'm still going to pose it to
something if you've already
Question number two is, what's
that you wish everyone understood?
It breaks down thousands of
been able to break down before.
I believe that bitcoin will
human values that we all
race, who we are, because it
of how we value things.
And human action is propelled
So if we all have the same way
we'll be able to empathize
the globe, allowing us for us
flow, and more peace across
On top of that, allows us to
into the future, which allows
about ourselves, but also the collective.
Question three.
What's the bitcoin resource
The Bible.
No.
Yeah, I do.
I do.
I think learning the
to see why bitcoin is so important.
Because if you do revise all
into you by your parents, then
start understanding its
you and you'll have a ton more
And then we have question
bit away from bitcoin.
Beyond bitcoin, what is a
helpful to you or your work recently?
Sparrow is brilliant.
Yeah, I think in terms of
here in Berlin.
I'm living in a circular economy.
There's well over 130 vendors
There's a lot of bitcoin
and people saving in it.
So we use blink as our main
So if you want to pay for any
Our medium or intermediary
because you can send lightning
But then you also get twelve
And it's liquid if people
side chain where you have to
out liquid bitcoin, but it's
across the globe, so it's a
custodians like Blink, and
maybe a couple of k, then you
or you can move it into your
Sparrow is beautiful because
utxos, you're able to create
to have a really clear view as
and it allows you to
more.
Now we have our final, what we
question, and it's this.
As a general life principle,
I mean, I'm a big fan of
I am a big, big, big fan of
But from, from, from life
to think through things is via
what you do not want.
By knowing what you do not
want.
You really never know exactly
figure out what we don't want.
So I'll go with why not?
And kind of take out the
gold in the midst of it.
Well, Charlie, we're here
that you're involved with.
First of all, I want to talk
Berlin.
You mentioned Berlin earlier.
If people aren't familiar,
but we're talking about El
So if you would share with us
even some of the background of
your work there onboarding
the last year or so.
That's a great question.
So just a bit of context.
El Salvador, it's bitcoin
Bitcoin is something that
and for people to want to use,
in day to day services.
After three years, theres a
still dont accept bitcoin.
Most places, actually.
And there was a couple,
me premier bitcoin, which is
in the world.
And theyre based out of El Salvador.
Theyve taught tens of
but they were teaching through
But they decided to start a
strived off.
And I heard about this when I
everything I had and moved to
and to be able to learn more
I arrived in and I went
spent ten days down by the
and arrived and there was 20
and then one other American
And we started working and we
started developing systems.
We met up on a regular basis.
We started teaching bitcoin classes.
My job essentially was to try
economy works through the
That was extremely a building
see the gaps in both other
and why those gaps were there
people to be able to make more
So since arriving in here in
There's 150 megawatt
road.
It's mining four containers
and then 130 merchants.
They're all really open minded
Back before the eighties, it
town, but it was massive in
You had multiple millionaires
And then the civil war came
and large percentage of the
of on its build up.
The tourism here wasn't really
town Alegria was massive for tourism.
So Berlin really wanted to
wanted to beautify itself and
So bitcoin allowed for that
new type of tourist.
So since a year ago now, we've
here full time just because of bitcoin.
And then we've got a lot of
the project who want to learn
And a huge amount of the
basics of bitcoin and how to
bitcoin.
The effects of inflation, how
of understanding the
And it's a very enriching
you feel like you're truly
that we require from a dollar
And if everyone's aware, it
value to medium of exchange to
And a lot of people are
and whatnot.
But when you come here, you
together, if you really work
a clear vision, are energetic
that a lot of stuff can get
to bitcoin, and that's what
bitcoiner from Washington, DC.
We started a conference back
We had over 215 people arrive.
It was a major success.
One full day full of high
is possible with circular economies.
And the nature of this, Josh,
out of a, an economy that uses
main medium of exchange.
And we dont know how our
valuing things in sats instead
most of our liquid capital
currency.
One thing is just yourself in
dollars.
Another thing is a large
in bitcoin, starting to value
And how do the interactions
And how does the interactions
So there's emerging qualities
really seen before.
So our main job here is to
more vendors onto bitcoin,
to save a higher percentage of
it.
Document to see what comes
What are the emerging
It's hugely inspiring, Preston.
And what are some of those
Or if it's too early to tell,
have about the qualities that
economy?
Well, as you know, bitcoin
Bitcoin gives us time to think.
A lot of people who are into
thinking themselves.
So this critical thinking also
life.
So whether that's health,
it's being sovereign as an
you treat other individuals,
you realize that the people
you'll probably still have a
years time.
So you've got a, you've got a
is developing.
You have people who aren't
today and tomorrow.
But everyone is kind of
that's going to come in 10,
And you've got a lot of imagination.
You've got time to be able to
You've got more savings to be
So we've got a bitcoin center
I'm sitting in the podcast
We've got three cameras, we've
studio.
And this has been possible
in bitcoin, because of
the globe to this place
was happening.
So you've got, you know, if
capital controls, and anything
be, I suppose, asked for
Here in El Salvador, it's a
You've got, you've got a huge
back in.
You've got a business closed
in the next day.
Regulations are second to
You have just, it's just
of doing business.
You've got a lot of entrepreneurs.
You know, half the whole town
an employee, your average
So you're incentivized to
You've got people who are
They are.
Well, the locals are starting
of the expats that come in.
You get to see an emerge of
And in a way that's not like,
different countries over time,
They've probably hired the
it's probably been like
bitcoin, when you're
saving bitcoin, you're opening
to be able to live an
life.
And for you to work together,
own little niche, on how they
the local town, for them to be
to build up their savings and
So we have this.
We have this across the town,
like, paint up their houses,
better quality products, nicer
We have different types of art
We've got people coming from
ideas of how to, you know, how
farm, someone setting up a
town.
I mean, it's countless, and
all of these ideas.
So we're starting to see that now.
This is a long.
This is a long game, you know.
I guess one of the things
you about is how you have had
And I think in particular, it
how you begin to talk with
as bitcoiners, maybe were
know about bitcoin at first.
How have you onboarded them
And also, I guess, like, how
Have they gone from being
it?
Or is it still very early days
tend to get dollars instead?
It's a case by case basis.
If you're talking about locals
it's much easier when we think
You only accept money because
able to purchase something in
So if an individual knows that
of the major services that
water, they cut their hair,
different services, if they
will also be able to be used
willing.
The concept of it being money
So there is a point by which
enough vendors that people
say, I want to accept.
And it's been a huge influx in
You have events and you have
the course of two, three days.
That's a large influx of money
vendors to make some nice profits.
So we found that people are
The reasons behind it mainly,
it's, you know, they can
But there are several people
and when onboarding people,
are you accepting bitcoin yet?
You know, as in, like, you
To what's happening?
Right?
So it's like they've, you
No, I haven't no, we don't
And then immediately you offer
to be able to receive, and I
scrolling through TikTok, right?
It's easier.
So the barrier for them to
Like minimum time, minimum effort.
You need to be able to get
just close.
Essentially, if they're a bit
want to give you a tip.
I just want to show you how it
And when you offer someone a
it's like, what are the
The bit of time that it takes
So I found it's been really
get trained yourself to do it.
I've gotten over 142 people
and tons of people here have
as well.
It still takes time.
The volatility hurts, right?
You have expenses denominated
So if you're a business and
you might need a percentage of
So you need to have available
They need to be able to know
call someone, I'm going to be
You know that they're not trapped.
Also, Blink offers this
percentage of your bitcoin
So it allows people to hedge.
So a lot of them accept
into dollars.
But when it's already there,
bitcoin than if you have to go
But once people have these,
on them or have the option to
bitcoin, if their interest is
that really appeals to them,
on it, then they can move it
So getting a large cohort of
entrepreneurs, and then also
they're quite savvy in terms
a good network.
You've got a good network of
So the start is always the toughest.
To summarize, one of the other
adopting bitcoin conference in
I think you said this is the
Would you mind sharing about
people who are listening right now?
Now.
Okay, so if you're a
Salvador.
That's.
It's just.
It's the mecca, pretty much.
It is.
And I've been here for over a
it truly is.
So first of all, you have to
Second of all, if you're going
That's.
That's the best time for you
There's no point coming over
On the 15th and 16 November,
It's the fourth year running.
We're expecting over 1100
world and locals.
We have an extremely robust
work on building on top of bitcoin.
Whether that's on the payment
more on the back end in terms
bitcoin core, whether it's on
protocols like liquid or ark
be using.
You've got people who are on
you've got educational side of things.
Then you've got different
You have a bitcoin paranino.
So bitcoin for kids area.
So if you're a parent and
having to take care of your
be able to come, you're going
decent area where they can be
So you can go and listen to
go into the expo hall where
quality bitcoin businesses
there, both local Salvadores,
You're going to have loads of
We're going to have poker
You're going to hopefully have
You're going to have two main halls.
So you've got this main stage
main stage, you're greeted
bitcoin art.
So we've got over 50 really
different artists all across
El Salvador and displaying it
there.
At the main stage, you've got
So if you want to get hands on
wallethood, different cold
How do you work all of them?
Multi signature.
How does Mipmere bitcoin,
which I talked about, how do
How have they been seriously successful?
You're going to have panels on
You're going to have people
experience on how to bolster
You're going to have.
You're going to have the top
Stacey Herbert, you've got
who have been protagonists in
You've got the heads of
You've got people like Athena
across the globe for vouchers,
like that.
We have this option called the
for people.
So if you want to rub
want to have an opportunity to
have the opportunity to talk
in bitcoin businesses
privilege access ticket, which
festival, which is the day
of the movie called Dirty
bitcoin mining and the.
The fallacies about it and the
it actually bolsters energy grids.
That's the 14 November.
You've got a ton of side
So I'm just talking about the
I'm just going to finish the
You have access to the
in the main stage.
You have free drink for the
buffet as well.
You've got a lounge area,
where you can do your
of the two days.
So that's a really good opportunity.
You can also get the general
amazing opportunity to see all
exhibition area in this
And it's just rolling hills, a
on the beach.
So you can even wear a shirt
And it's about 25 minutes from
All the major hotels, you just
We've got buses that are
locations, all catered for
So it should be as smooth as
If you have any like,
website and everything is there.
But you've also got side
You've got beforehand, you've
They do these graduations.
I went one last year and it
I genuinely, I couldn't
The level of organization you
down like a ridiculous amount
of professionalism that
and how proud they were and
Like you go to these places
bitcoin, all these kids.
The day after this graduation,
will be on the 13th, on the 14th.
During the day you've got the
which is, it's a bit of more
but really high signal.
You get to meet some really
The bitcoin on conference.
That's great.
And then you've got the film
You've got the conference from
You've got plenty of parties
On the 15th.
You've got the official
going to be held in the city
one of the tallest buildings
So it's going to be turned
types of music across, across
So that'll be a great opportunity.
And then afterwards, day
for day three.
Al Zontay is just stunning
You can use bitcoin everywhere
activities that youll love and
of these other bitcoiners that
Really, really good networking opportunity.
The best thing I couldve done
go to a first conference in
It opened so many doors for
kind of made bitcoin a
So I highly recommend anybody
Just do it.
Just book your flight, get the
Right.
And then after bitcoin beach,
have the opportunity to go to roatan.
They can do a retreat over in
over.
And there's this all inclusive
the beautiful bitcoin center,
where they have bitcoin as its
It's a private city, so I
that out.
And then obviously, people can
about, and see what it's like
economy take place.
Right.
It's been over a year.
The growth has been phenomenal.
There's a strong and dedicated
So do come check Berlin out.
That's my wrap up.
Clay.
It sounds like there's more
multiple weeks.
Yeah.
Recommend two weeks.
Yeah, for sure.
It makes sense if you're
a little bit more time in El Salvador.
Also, I will say from personal
but the keys between Roatan
cocinos, the most beautiful
I spent probably four or five
and it's absolutely stunning.
Roatan's great as well.
Final question, and not final
your brand, the natural investor.
Could you talk with us a
looking to do as you develop
full flown brand.
Yeah, for sure.
So the natural investor was
and I did about three, four
intense meditation, pretty
and a lot of introspection
what's your course in life.
And from my studies in finance
about bitcoin and I suppose
the eyes of Buddhism, but also
money permeates through
It's a very central theme in
across cultures, across the past.
And money has been conflated
And I mean, the love for money
So, you know, this has been
top of my mind.
And for me to pursue my.
My career and for me to want
thing?
You know, all these questions
And after a lot of study and
it's a pillar.
Wealth is a pillar for you to
life and for you to be able to
Wealth is key, right?
So understanding wealth and
important for your spirit.
Right?
And I believe bitcoin
you to be able to build a
to provide for yourself, for
So the natural investor is
initiative.
I'll still be working on it
Where I will be, it's an
that are set up within the
of my life.
But its aim is to be able to
of money, capital and investment.
Like, what are capital goods?
How do you save in a way that
And how do you invest in
for the world?
That is who you are.
Your true spirit, like what is
your money in that way for
I've been selling bitcoin
that's really important.
The aim down the line is to be
to develop markets.
So I'm thinking on nasty
to be able to portion out
of their life.
So if you want to set up a
your sisters or your brothers
up.
So that in the case of an
years time, you want to have a
your family.
If you want something for.
You want to build a hostel
different aspects to your hostel.
You might have a bar, a dance
might have the accommodation itself.
You need to be able to figure
cost and when do you want to
But you can portion out
So the natural investors is,
how to structure your capital.
How do you structure your
and the most truly true self
It uses austrian economics as
money.
And then we try and use tools
financial independence.
Its a long term project.
And if anybody is looking to
on how to invest places like
know, several pieces of land
So, you know, if you want to
layer being land.
And you can always call me up,
But there's a lot being built here.
A new world is being built
It's a, it's another renaissance.
And that's not a lie.
I can feel it, I can see it.
I'm talking with people every
It's becoming a reality.
So come, come, please check it out.
See for yourself.
Don't listen to what others
Do verify.
Well, that is a great place to
But Charlie, if you would
go to find out more about you.
Bitcoin Berlin or adopting bitcoin.
So adopting bitcoin has its website.
Check it out.
Sv 24 dot adoptingbitcoin.org.
check that out.
And it's going to be an
It really is.
So do try and make it down.
Bitcoin Berlin has an x.
If you look bitcoin Berlin Sv
find us there.
I think the best way to find
in person.
That's by far the best way.
And then for myself, the
won the natural inve one on X.
That's the best way to find me
Reach out to meet the natural investor.
Always there to help out.
Any questions?
With regards to bitcoin
in bitcoin, understanding
procedures here in terms of
Well, Charlie, thank you so
It's been a pleasure.
Josh, same as all the best.
Well, friends, it's a wrap.
Thanks so much for listening
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