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look outside of our community

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I always say every role that

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fiat world is available in

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banker, of course.

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Welcome to the Business

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to helping you enrich your

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bitcoin, the hardest money on

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I'm your host, Josh Friedman,

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of bit vocation.

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Anya helps people find jobs in

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doing, who you need to be

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be spending your time in order

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We're going to get to our

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Anya, welcome to the show.

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Thank you, Joshua.

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It's really nice to meet you.

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So I like to start off every

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that help us to get to know

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us some insight for our own lives.

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Are you ready for these?

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Let's do it.

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Question number one.

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Is this, when and how did you

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In 2013.

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And I ignored it, like many of us.

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of a door.

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Bitcoin accepted here, and I

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or something.

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fixing my savings problem that

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So I found it twice, like many

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Question number two.

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What's an insight or fact

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understood?

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That scarcity creates abundance.

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community that cares a lot

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abundance, and if they would

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more and how it works and how

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opposite of abundance in life,

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Question number three, what's

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I think it's still Andreas Antonopoulos.

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I know he's disappeared a

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when I first got in in 2015,

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spoke a language that I could

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to me, he is still the number

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Question number four, beyond

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idea that's been helpful to

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all my prompts in the browser,

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a half, two years.

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for you when it comes to using AI?

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content, and whether it's

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a LinkedIn post or whatever.

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makes you think deeply about things.

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nice feed that every bitcoiner

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recruiters look outside of our

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the role of central banker.

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We can back this up with data now.

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for a while, definitely

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hires the customer success

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this seasonality, you don't

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So this is a reality of not

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that is just, that is made up

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money properly, which is also

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a family to feed, think twice

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fiat job.

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of work, or they're doing it

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how to become findable, how to

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somewhere in your profile.

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So this is all.

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generate leads of jobs and be found.

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What's your tagline?

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I know other people have that.

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Do you remember what yours is

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I mean, yeah, founder, bit vocation.

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My pronouns are BTC and Hodler.

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jobs, I think a lot of people

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So I've spoken to many

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course, for research reasons,

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first address where they look.

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Some of them are really active

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So I would advise people to go

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how Noster works and not just

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I don't know.

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Twitter is.

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I don't know if it's still the

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Maybe for some, but yeah, I

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depending for the non

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easier to show their skills

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everything on LinkedIn in

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Twitter maybe also, but the

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Well, it's cool to hear that

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for that.

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I think that's very valuable.

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One of the other things I'm

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of people that either bitcoin

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tend to end up getting jobs

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How is it.

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How.

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How is that person's

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people working in fiat jobs?

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Is it as simple as some

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than being okay with being

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Or is it too all over the map

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so.

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I think one really important

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the entrepreneurial mindset,

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But just finding a job is an

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In bitcoin, you need to do

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You need to know how to

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network.

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That's something that

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Consider that this an

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to have a proof of work, and

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and, yeah, show that proof of

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This is something that in the

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that are selling a product or

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But this is how you get ahead

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This is new skills.

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And if you come with a fiat

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will not be successful.

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And I speak to a lot of job

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I keep getting rejected or

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But what are you doing?

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Oh, yeah, I just click, apply,

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Nobody sees.

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I mean, you need to write your

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You need to forget, actually,

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That's a whole other topic

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bitcoin.

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But make your link.

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Honestly, the LinkedIn is the

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in this space.

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That is your sales page for

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And that is something that an

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But I think bitcoiners are

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Now, one of the terms we've

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is fiat job.

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I think you've also just said

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Could you explain to someone

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If it's all bitcoiners

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all understand what we're saying.

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But if someone else is

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understand what you mean by that.

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So could you explain a little

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Fiat mindset, fiat whatever else.

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Yeah.

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Thanks for asking this.

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So, to me, the bitcoiner

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The fiat mindset is you can

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You know, like, you get a

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in a fiat job, whether you did

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you just sit there from nine

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But are you actually creating value?

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Yeah.

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In bitcoin, you can only reap

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first, if you have proved the

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work.

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So that is the, to me, that is

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And fiat jobs, of course, are

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that in the traditional world

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So if someone is interested in

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what are some of the services

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How can you help people?

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What would be some of those

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if they've listened to this

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their desire to work in the

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Yeah, so the first address,

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One is our telegram feed.

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People can just type bit

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to the free channel.

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And basically they will see

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that we are scraping.

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And the other address I would

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So we will have a website

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if you type it in right now,

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Maybe we can put the link below.

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So it's bitvocation dot

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And there we have a free

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job in bitcoin, which covers a

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about and a little bit more in detail.

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And, yeah, we are also going

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the very near future for

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help and support.

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So whether it's connected to

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do you have any final thoughts

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before we finish up the interview?

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Yeah, I just.

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I want everybody to, every

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I think helps this baby grow.

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We all want bitcoin to be successful.

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So whether we can help

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space or we need to bring fiat

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and orange peel them, let's

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make this grow, because it's

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Well, it's the only way to fix

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I truly believe that, yeah.

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In addition to the substack

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other places you'd like for

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up with you?

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Yeah, I'm on Twitter and on Noster.

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I'm trying to be more active

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Economy is my handle pretty

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And we have a link tree.

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I don't know if maybe we can

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our links because we are still

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They often change so we keep

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the latest addresses.

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Great.

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Well, anya, thank you so much

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It's been a pleasure.

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Thank you so much.

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Joshua.

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Well friends, this is a wrap.

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Thanks so much for listening

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show.

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If you want to reach out to

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links down in the show notes.

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And if you or someone you know

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ecosystem, remember, bit

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Keep building, keep growing,

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and leading.

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Well, thanks to those who have

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in the last week, including no

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user 609 869759 who were all

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with Nick who's one of the co

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was testing a feature, sent a

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100 sats.

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I don't know what you were testing.

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I hope all is well and thanks

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If you would like to support

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app and either stream sats as

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you include a note with that

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the show.