My business partner, Storm,
are from Oklahoma.
The Oklahoma City Thunder is here.
And so he was interested in
summer.
And he was like, man, I wish I
are saying about these trades
And so we were like, this
AI to analyze transcripts, to.
To build a product experience
you can understand what's
And our take on communities
And so we wanted to build an
something to people for them
about that links directly to
said and maybe a multi hour show.
Welcome to the Business
to helping you enrich your
bitcoin, the hardest money on
I'm your host, Josh Friedeman,
who is the founder of Bubble
app that also uses AI to
topic, for instance, bitcoin
sports team, and gives that to
So you can see not only what
to are saying, but also be
talking about the same topic.
We're gonna get to our
Kaz, welcome to the podcast.
Hey, Josh, how's it going?
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, so I like to start off
questions that help us to get
give us some insight for our
So you ready for these?
Let's go.
Question number one is this.
When and how did you first
So I first found bitcoin, I
and I was studying economics
So a little bit of technology,
and I was kind of sitting at
I wanted to do cybersecurity.
So I was teaching myself, you
of these tools to, you know,
about cyber security.
And as I was doing that, I
It was kind of tangentially
I really struck my interest
than Cyber security.
And my journey into Bitcoin
or a Austrian economic perspective.
It was purely a technology
And how did the system work?
I was essentially majoring in
to dissect and analyze it, and
So that's interesting.
Did you.
Do you feel like you
was as strong as it was from
The reason I ask this is
of people who got into Bitcoin
I'd be curious to know if I.
I'm curious to know if I would
not been shaken out back in
I'd like to think I wouldn't
Did understanding Bitcoin's
in it?
From day one, I would say I.
Did not fully understand what
when I first started to look
in me and an itch that I just
because I couldn't understand it.
I could see enough of it and
there was.
It was going to be extremely powerful.
But I remember the first
to read the white paper and
worked and think about how.
How would I even explain this
technology at all?
I couldn't even recite, like,
over and over again to nail
some of the aspects of how it worked.
And so it did not come
an intuitive, like, this is
And no matter if I can
that I will eventually be able to.
And so now I've come to the
of how Bitcoin works.
And when I'm learning
to connect different patterns
anymore, but after a decade,
long enough, you do start to
Absolutely.
Question number two.
What's an insight or fact
understood?
So I.
This is going to be a
So right now there's a big
development happening around Bitcoin.
There's all sorts of different
My theme, my general consensus
development because of these
to emerge.
And we have to acknowledge
we have to continue to adopt
And if we just let bitcoin
actually how bitcoin will fail.
Hmm, interesting.
And to go a little bit further
take.
Although I think there's
would agree strongly with you.
Do you feel like it would just.
Do you think it would not
else that would rise up?
Or would the possibility of
currency just fall away if
I think it's the latter.
So I don't see something
limitation of Bitcoin.
However, there are aspects of
not upgrade them, things will break.
I also think we're seeing a
as adoption.
And so right now we're, you
any bitcoiner, they would say
fight you stage.
I mean, we had the attack on
operation choke point 2.0 and.
But now it's like, oh, the
There's talk of bitcoin
There is a what I would call a
these shitcoins and meme coins
from Bitcoin that take some of
But if we were to just let
I see the, the real threat as
And so like the fact that
have all of this nation State
on the way and the mempool's
That's not really a good thing.
It's not.
I mean, it's not the end of
And if you're a bitcoin user,
low sat for BBY transactions.
But in terms of network
it's showing how much Bitcoin
And that puts a risk of paper,
of these ETFs, specifically,
the voting rights on behalf of
now.
And so I see risks associated
I'm not trying to black pill
I think it's just important to
to improve Bitcoin, and there
that still are yet to be
Very interesting.
So question number three is,
recommend to other people?
That's a good question.
I try not to cookie cutter
everybody sees bitcoin from a
And the longer you're around
to gather up and.
And I start to think of more.
Who is this person and what is
bitcoin?
Somebody who is more
money printing may have like a
Bitcoin than somebody with
approaching it from a human
for anybody to use Bitcoin
people based on ethnicity or
So I try to ask enough
understanding of who that
in general, and then I try to
It's usually a book, though.
I like when people read.
I usually don't send them a
It seems like a lot of people
Are there certain books that
to pick up and work through,
point, if they're interested
a book?
Do you have a book you just
with and you find that they're
read it?
My favorite one to recommend
of Tomorrow.
Because, I mean, I've
probably the most, and I don't
book.
I think they're all great
speaking to, but just not
the history of central banking.
And so putting in perspective
I try to think about as well.
It's like looking at things
mirror.
And sometimes I think people
and they understand, yeah,
But then they find bitcoin and
of hope.
That's an example of this
And I try to pitch any sort of
And so it's just.
It's a bit of an inversion of
I don't know, let's do
than bitcoin, like AI.
A lot of people, just because
or whatever, they just have a
view of how these things could
And I think if we just can
things actually help you and
in new and innovative ways and
you confined or whatever.
Question number four.
Is this beyond Bitcoin?
What's a resource, tool or idea?
It's been helpful to you or
It's a good transition into AI.
And so two.
Actually, it was three years
a bitcoin mining company.
And this was right when LLMs
the scene.
And we started to just
how we were working.
We did that for a few years,
company, a lot of it is built
an AI company.
I think AI is going to change
products, and it will be a
businesses that should not be overt.
That's very similar to how I
And since we were all
work on this new company, it's
come out as an extension of
ethos who is building those
And so we were just naturally bitcoiners.
We were naturally working with
And so once we started to work
We use those and we utilize
the day, they're the best tools.
And so, yeah, that's, that's
I think there is a little bit
In the bitcoin space because
in it, maybe overinvested in it.
There is a lot of hype, and
once you actually start to use
them, it's pretty insane what
So now we have our final, what
question.
And it's this.
As a general life principle,
Why not?
And so to me, this relates to
versus techno nihilism conversation.
Asking why is a nihilistic question.
It's like, why do anything?
Why should I have to do this
I'm very.
I'm very much a proponent of entrepreneurialism.
I know you are too.
I think that is very
from and onset, just adopting
life savings into it, in some
move in and of itself.
You have to have conviction.
And so I like to look at
And so I have to go with, why not?
Well, Kaz, we're here today to
Bubble FM.
It's a podcasting 2.0 app, but
you're bringing to Bubble that
interested to hear about.
So if you would just share
it came to be, as well as some
bringing to people's
Absolutely.
So we are Bubble.
Bubble FM is the domain.
We are a new podcasting
beautiful to experience the
perspective, and we make that
And so we actually didn't
podcast app, even though
ago, right.
Whenever Nostr was really
it was the day Jack Dorsey
I'd made an account.
I had heard of it before that,
And again, I approach most
perspective.
And so started digging into
in my slack and I was like,
If you can do nostr plus
new tag systems, you can
And this was like in December
And so we were working with
This was just a crazy bad idea.
And we had no intention of
about last summer.
My business partner, Storm,
are from Oklahoma.
The Oklahoma City Thunder is here.
And so he was interested in
summer.
And he was like, man, I wish I
podcasts are saying about
search myself.
And so we had been building
different business at this point.
And so we were like, this
AI to analyze transcripts, to
you can find new clips and you
in a particular community.
And our take on communities
And so that kind of played
It's like in some ways you're
or maybe you only get in a
and then maybe it's difficult
a feed, your Twitter feed, and
of content and you get
that you're not trying to see.
And so we wanted to build an
something to people that
them to see the information
to the clips.
Which is one of those features
enables virality and
audience, is the ability to
across media that links
that was said and maybe a
And so the original product
And so we now have 120 of
We have one for Bitcoin, one
markets, tons of different
And we'll be able to build
And you can subscribe to these
version of it and get anything
And then we also have a 2.0
And so you can go from reading
then listening to this new
across new content.
So the primary experience,
It sounds like it's the Weekly
it, you read through it, and
to a podcast if the clip was
Is that correct?
That's correct.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
I think it's a really cool
You know, a lot of.
A lot of podcasters, maybe
I've heard people, you know,
on the front page, so to
Great discoverability, virality.
That doesn't really exist in
So I feel like this is a
are talking, basically being
One of my curiosities as a
How do you actually get into a digest?
Is it.
If whatever the theme is,
if they happen to have
transcripts and you've just
your clip gets pulled.
What does that look like?
How does AI, I'm guessing, is
How does the AI determine
So that's built into our AI
prompts, which is a little
Sometimes, in our first
And so we built those prompts
these transcripts.
And so it was a.
Okay, here's a synthesis of
this past week.
And then the clips were
And so as you're reading the
a paragraph to read about it,
and they give additional
And so there's a bit of a
We have lists built on the
and we curate them and collect
our system.
And we don't really.
It's not like we're sitting
one.
That's part of the magic is
and sometimes contrasting
elements to build.
Here is what you want to
on how building the prompts
And so if it's bitcoin, like,
that we're looking for, and
that makes sense.
Yeah, I think it's really cool.
So how Long is the.
The weekly digest, and then
daily basis or is it kind of
you catch up with all the
So right now it has six key
15 minutes to read through the
But the clips are all
And so you can go in there.
Some of them may have a 30
of them may be closer to five minutes.
You can pull those clips into
a walk.
You could listen to those
like it is one podcast all together.
And so you get all of your
get to have a picture of what
What I think is a little
creates a way for podcasters
off of other people's shows.
And so I directly stole this
Who Built Podcasting 2.0.
And I loved how the no Agenda
and then they would.
Their show is pretty much them
and making fun of it.
And so as a podcaster, you
You could go in there and you
you could say, okay, well, I'm
a show and comment on top of
bitcoin space this week.
That's really interesting.
Would there be a possibility
bubble?
I guess it would be a sub
geopolitics, bitcoin, college
Is there any of that
is that too complex?
Because there are additional
on the back end that the team
We're actually moving towards
And so when we set out to
in mind.
It was proving that we could
it look and feel like we want
And it doesn't sound like it's
that.
And so but now we're moving
I'm not sure if the audience
There's a lot of talk about AI agents.
And so the last paradigm,
prompting, you had some
So, like, context windows of
cutoff days.
And at the end of the day, it
facilitate something out of
And so now with agents and
reasoning and memory and goals
act somewhat autonomously with
the generative AI system.
And so you can still have a
but allow it to make its own
you define for it.
And so, all that being said,
yes, you'll be able to create
to pull and create bubbles
And so instead of just here's
podcasts in bitcoin, it will
mentions bitcoin.
Maybe it's Joe Rogan and he's
but he may have a two minute
And so right now the bubble
once a week, but we are very
And so you'll just have a
day based on the latest information.
And so it won't be like fully
ever changing data based on
Yeah, so we had probably about
a little bit more than a
Open Agents on talking about
And obviously we're talking
point in time and sort of how
a lot of people's concerns
So I think people are
of individual agents, and I
hear what you guys are doing
I'm curious to know, you've
mirror element.
How does something like bubble
world?
Yeah.
So I would start the
And so if we originally look
was meant to be just like
anybody could use and share
And now with podcasting 1.0,
of this narrative as well.
The big companies have
also now, like Spotify for
the creation around some of
And so, I mean, these chapters
that carousels throughout the
with your audience in real
So these things should be
use, but they're also
end.
And so I like to look at AI as
And so I had a podcast back in
I'm very familiar with the
your RSS feed and your
Especially if you have a
to highlight your guests, you
these links.
And sometimes I was catching
an hour, and it took me just
To make the description look good.
And so since we started this
AI, it's pretty trivial for us
build summaries in real time.
And then since we also have
in there without you having to
And we don't want you to have
and aggregating all of their
because podcasters and guests
have a profile that they can share.
And so that's one of the
this is, and we were talking
show started, of how difficult
And so part of this podcasting
podcasters and guests to see
facilitate a booking on a show.
And then you can see a profile
that I went on.
Here's my company information,
And then we share this back
So we get it to a point where
us an MP3 file.
Their show looks beautiful in
They have a tag for their
auto populated.
They have rolling transcripts
sort of automate some of these
we tap you right into the
And so, like, we're not trying
these things should be open.
And so these things will all
all the other 2.0 apps to take
And so I think it's somewhere
actually has transcripts in
We need to make that number
Like seeing a floating Star
be a normal interaction and
this static, you know,
people don't look at.
A lot of podcasters spend all
most people don't even look at
And so how do we turn that
a show, publish it through our platform?
Because we'll have hosting and
MP3 and then within two to
injected in their RSS feed.
They didn't have to do anything.
And then we'll give them some
are auto generated in their
their podcast to X.
And so just new and innovative
some of this generative AI and
Excellent.
Well that's exciting for me to
will probably be a number of
have podcasts and so hopefully
Are those features available
future?
So we are very close to
Services, the Podcast 2.0
out there.
You can come on, you can
I think it'll be next week
beta test for podcasters and
platform will be rolling out
So I'll definitely be sending
I'd love for you to come just
for us for sure.
And so I want to get back to
up today.
So right now it's kind of in
FM and that's B U B B L FM and
bubble for free.
Additional Bubbles I think
what you think people should
Or is it as simple as signing
checking out the digest every Week.
Yeah, I would say definitely
I One of the chicken or the
don't really know what the
until they can see it and
So we made the first bubble free.
This is a bitcoin podcast, so
the financial markets bubble.
And then once you have an
into the podcast player,
being able to create clips,
But if you don't have an
subscribe to a podcast.
It will kind of lack that
podcast apps are like that.
It's tied to an account.
You can still listen, though.
So if you just want to go
an account to just go listen
Yeah.
And one thing that's really
that you have an example of
Like there's an image of a
scrolling through so you can.
You can get an idea of what it
I feel like that's really helpful.
I think what you're doing is great.
I'm interested to see how it
in testing out Bubble for myself.
Kaz, do you have any final
You've kind of already given a
reissue that as well.
Yeah, I would just say check
me on Twitter.
That's cool as well at btc, Kaz.
And the only advice I would
a white mirror.
Technology is not inherently bad.
It's how we build technology,
that is how we use it.
And so if we can build
confined to usage in a way
part of what bubble is, is
things you care about without
And so we want to deliver that
And the last sort of product
building a podcast search engine.
And as well.
And so since we have all these
and everything, we vectorized
And so very soon we'll be able
type into a chat and say hm,
about opctv?
And then it will connect you
And then once we have the
and stuff, it will help you.
Basically give you a way as a
who is a guest that might be
and then you can search in
a profile on Bubble, you'll be
and book them on your show.
Very cool.
Well Cas, thank you so much
It's been a pleasure.
Thanks Josh.
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