1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,952 My business partner, Storm, 2 00:00:04,976 --> 00:00:05,864 are from Oklahoma. 3 00:00:05,912 --> 00:00:07,400 The Oklahoma City Thunder is here. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,032 And so he was interested in 5 00:00:11,056 --> 00:00:11,480 summer. 6 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,336 And he was like, man, I wish I 7 00:00:15,368 --> 00:00:19,224 are saying about these trades 8 00:00:19,352 --> 00:00:23,192 And so we were like, this 9 00:00:23,256 --> 00:00:25,672 AI to analyze transcripts, to. 10 00:00:25,696 --> 00:00:30,440 To build a product experience 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,920 you can understand what's 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,784 And our take on communities 13 00:00:37,832 --> 00:00:40,792 And so we wanted to build an 14 00:00:40,896 --> 00:00:43,976 something to people for them 15 00:00:44,008 --> 00:00:48,120 about that links directly to 16 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,580 said and maybe a multi hour show. 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,536 Welcome to the Business 18 00:00:58,568 --> 00:01:01,992 to helping you enrich your 19 00:01:02,016 --> 00:01:05,624 bitcoin, the hardest money on 20 00:01:05,752 --> 00:01:09,256 I'm your host, Josh Friedeman, 21 00:01:09,368 --> 00:01:16,120 who is the founder of Bubble 22 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:21,144 app that also uses AI to 23 00:01:21,232 --> 00:01:25,476 topic, for instance, bitcoin 24 00:01:25,508 --> 00:01:28,404 sports team, and gives that to 25 00:01:28,452 --> 00:01:32,196 So you can see not only what 26 00:01:32,228 --> 00:01:35,492 to are saying, but also be 27 00:01:35,516 --> 00:01:37,252 talking about the same topic. 28 00:01:37,316 --> 00:01:40,480 We're gonna get to our 29 00:01:57,903 --> 00:01:59,943 Kaz, welcome to the podcast. 30 00:02:00,103 --> 00:02:01,399 Hey, Josh, how's it going? 31 00:02:01,471 --> 00:02:02,359 Thanks for having me. 32 00:02:02,431 --> 00:02:04,935 Yeah, so I like to start off 33 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:07,175 questions that help us to get 34 00:02:07,199 --> 00:02:08,663 give us some insight for our 35 00:02:08,703 --> 00:02:09,763 So you ready for these? 36 00:02:10,123 --> 00:02:11,103 Let's go. 37 00:02:11,483 --> 00:02:12,803 Question number one is this. 38 00:02:12,843 --> 00:02:15,143 When and how did you first 39 00:02:16,043 --> 00:02:21,183 So I first found bitcoin, I 40 00:02:21,483 --> 00:02:25,971 and I was studying economics 41 00:02:26,147 --> 00:02:31,475 So a little bit of technology, 42 00:02:31,619 --> 00:02:35,475 and I was kind of sitting at 43 00:02:35,499 --> 00:02:37,797 I wanted to do cybersecurity. 44 00:02:37,995 --> 00:02:42,465 So I was teaching myself, you 45 00:02:42,489 --> 00:02:46,881 of these tools to, you know, 46 00:02:46,897 --> 00:02:48,173 about cyber security. 47 00:02:48,633 --> 00:02:51,265 And as I was doing that, I 48 00:02:51,329 --> 00:02:56,801 It was kind of tangentially 49 00:02:56,857 --> 00:03:00,609 I really struck my interest 50 00:03:00,641 --> 00:03:01,773 than Cyber security. 51 00:03:02,153 --> 00:03:09,259 And my journey into Bitcoin 52 00:03:09,371 --> 00:03:12,443 or a Austrian economic perspective. 53 00:03:12,603 --> 00:03:16,491 It was purely a technology 54 00:03:16,667 --> 00:03:18,779 And how did the system work? 55 00:03:18,931 --> 00:03:24,171 I was essentially majoring in 56 00:03:24,227 --> 00:03:27,743 to dissect and analyze it, and 57 00:03:28,643 --> 00:03:29,595 So that's interesting. 58 00:03:29,659 --> 00:03:30,423 Did you. 59 00:03:30,983 --> 00:03:36,383 Do you feel like you 60 00:03:36,423 --> 00:03:40,323 was as strong as it was from 61 00:03:41,223 --> 00:03:43,935 The reason I ask this is 62 00:03:43,959 --> 00:03:48,223 of people who got into Bitcoin 63 00:03:48,383 --> 00:03:49,967 I'd be curious to know if I. 64 00:03:50,055 --> 00:03:53,359 I'm curious to know if I would 65 00:03:53,431 --> 00:03:57,963 not been shaken out back in 66 00:03:58,343 --> 00:04:00,683 I'd like to think I wouldn't 67 00:04:01,063 --> 00:04:05,967 Did understanding Bitcoin's 68 00:04:06,015 --> 00:04:06,431 in it? 69 00:04:06,487 --> 00:04:09,935 From day one, I would say I. 70 00:04:09,959 --> 00:04:14,447 Did not fully understand what 71 00:04:14,495 --> 00:04:20,527 when I first started to look 72 00:04:20,575 --> 00:04:24,815 in me and an itch that I just 73 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,763 because I couldn't understand it. 74 00:04:27,073 --> 00:04:30,553 I could see enough of it and 75 00:04:30,593 --> 00:04:31,369 there was. 76 00:04:31,521 --> 00:04:33,785 It was going to be extremely powerful. 77 00:04:33,929 --> 00:04:36,825 But I remember the first 78 00:04:36,849 --> 00:04:41,577 to read the white paper and 79 00:04:41,625 --> 00:04:43,849 worked and think about how. 80 00:04:43,921 --> 00:04:47,385 How would I even explain this 81 00:04:47,489 --> 00:04:48,857 technology at all? 82 00:04:49,025 --> 00:04:54,767 I couldn't even recite, like, 83 00:04:54,815 --> 00:04:59,295 over and over again to nail 84 00:04:59,359 --> 00:05:01,391 some of the aspects of how it worked. 85 00:05:01,567 --> 00:05:05,631 And so it did not come 86 00:05:05,687 --> 00:05:10,223 an intuitive, like, this is 87 00:05:10,383 --> 00:05:13,615 And no matter if I can 88 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:15,583 that I will eventually be able to. 89 00:05:15,703 --> 00:05:19,407 And so now I've come to the 90 00:05:19,495 --> 00:05:20,991 of how Bitcoin works. 91 00:05:21,087 --> 00:05:24,159 And when I'm learning 92 00:05:24,191 --> 00:05:30,267 to connect different patterns 93 00:05:30,315 --> 00:05:33,659 anymore, but after a decade, 94 00:05:33,731 --> 00:05:37,947 long enough, you do start to 95 00:05:38,075 --> 00:05:38,955 Absolutely. 96 00:05:39,099 --> 00:05:39,915 Question number two. 97 00:05:39,939 --> 00:05:42,747 What's an insight or fact 98 00:05:42,835 --> 00:05:43,663 understood? 99 00:05:44,563 --> 00:05:45,451 So I. 100 00:05:45,507 --> 00:05:47,371 This is going to be a 101 00:05:47,507 --> 00:05:52,063 So right now there's a big 102 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:55,003 development happening around Bitcoin. 103 00:05:55,163 --> 00:05:57,923 There's all sorts of different 104 00:05:59,103 --> 00:06:04,679 My theme, my general consensus 105 00:06:04,711 --> 00:06:08,599 development because of these 106 00:06:08,631 --> 00:06:09,563 to emerge. 107 00:06:09,983 --> 00:06:14,695 And we have to acknowledge 108 00:06:14,719 --> 00:06:17,495 we have to continue to adopt 109 00:06:17,679 --> 00:06:21,799 And if we just let bitcoin 110 00:06:21,831 --> 00:06:23,417 actually how bitcoin will fail. 111 00:06:23,575 --> 00:06:25,285 Hmm, interesting. 112 00:06:25,429 --> 00:06:28,533 And to go a little bit further 113 00:06:28,573 --> 00:06:28,821 take. 114 00:06:28,877 --> 00:06:30,645 Although I think there's 115 00:06:30,669 --> 00:06:32,949 would agree strongly with you. 116 00:06:33,101 --> 00:06:34,993 Do you feel like it would just. 117 00:06:35,693 --> 00:06:39,941 Do you think it would not 118 00:06:39,997 --> 00:06:41,541 else that would rise up? 119 00:06:41,597 --> 00:06:47,749 Or would the possibility of 120 00:06:47,821 --> 00:06:50,993 currency just fall away if 121 00:06:51,663 --> 00:06:53,207 I think it's the latter. 122 00:06:53,335 --> 00:06:59,207 So I don't see something 123 00:06:59,255 --> 00:07:00,823 limitation of Bitcoin. 124 00:07:00,983 --> 00:07:04,263 However, there are aspects of 125 00:07:04,303 --> 00:07:06,723 not upgrade them, things will break. 126 00:07:07,263 --> 00:07:12,375 I also think we're seeing a 127 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:13,623 as adoption. 128 00:07:13,783 --> 00:07:17,809 And so right now we're, you 129 00:07:17,881 --> 00:07:21,393 any bitcoiner, they would say 130 00:07:21,433 --> 00:07:22,641 fight you stage. 131 00:07:22,817 --> 00:07:28,625 I mean, we had the attack on 132 00:07:28,729 --> 00:07:32,145 operation choke point 2.0 and. 133 00:07:32,169 --> 00:07:35,025 But now it's like, oh, the 134 00:07:35,089 --> 00:07:37,973 There's talk of bitcoin 135 00:07:38,793 --> 00:07:44,257 There is a what I would call a 136 00:07:44,265 --> 00:07:49,769 these shitcoins and meme coins 137 00:07:49,841 --> 00:07:52,505 from Bitcoin that take some of 138 00:07:52,689 --> 00:07:55,913 But if we were to just let 139 00:07:55,953 --> 00:08:00,441 I see the, the real threat as 140 00:08:00,537 --> 00:08:06,553 And so like the fact that 141 00:08:06,593 --> 00:08:12,297 have all of this nation State 142 00:08:12,345 --> 00:08:16,039 on the way and the mempool's 143 00:08:16,231 --> 00:08:18,391 That's not really a good thing. 144 00:08:18,447 --> 00:08:18,903 It's not. 145 00:08:18,943 --> 00:08:20,231 I mean, it's not the end of 146 00:08:20,287 --> 00:08:24,055 And if you're a bitcoin user, 147 00:08:24,119 --> 00:08:25,975 low sat for BBY transactions. 148 00:08:26,039 --> 00:08:31,303 But in terms of network 149 00:08:31,343 --> 00:08:35,643 it's showing how much Bitcoin 150 00:08:36,223 --> 00:08:42,643 And that puts a risk of paper, 151 00:08:42,683 --> 00:08:48,755 of these ETFs, specifically, 152 00:08:48,899 --> 00:08:52,787 the voting rights on behalf of 153 00:08:52,835 --> 00:08:53,423 now. 154 00:08:54,363 --> 00:08:56,755 And so I see risks associated 155 00:08:56,779 --> 00:08:58,163 I'm not trying to black pill 156 00:08:58,203 --> 00:09:01,507 I think it's just important to 157 00:09:01,595 --> 00:09:07,315 to improve Bitcoin, and there 158 00:09:07,339 --> 00:09:11,243 that still are yet to be 159 00:09:11,583 --> 00:09:12,615 Very interesting. 160 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:15,911 So question number three is, 161 00:09:15,967 --> 00:09:17,523 recommend to other people? 162 00:09:20,383 --> 00:09:21,575 That's a good question. 163 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,243 I try not to cookie cutter 164 00:09:26,863 --> 00:09:29,751 everybody sees bitcoin from a 165 00:09:29,927 --> 00:09:34,183 And the longer you're around 166 00:09:34,223 --> 00:09:35,715 to gather up and. 167 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:37,867 And I start to think of more. 168 00:09:37,955 --> 00:09:42,027 Who is this person and what is 169 00:09:42,075 --> 00:09:42,863 bitcoin? 170 00:09:43,443 --> 00:09:47,819 Somebody who is more 171 00:09:47,891 --> 00:09:53,867 money printing may have like a 172 00:09:53,915 --> 00:09:59,259 Bitcoin than somebody with 173 00:09:59,291 --> 00:10:04,637 approaching it from a human 174 00:10:04,685 --> 00:10:09,677 for anybody to use Bitcoin 175 00:10:09,725 --> 00:10:12,957 people based on ethnicity or 176 00:10:13,125 --> 00:10:18,733 So I try to ask enough 177 00:10:18,853 --> 00:10:22,717 understanding of who that 178 00:10:22,765 --> 00:10:28,593 in general, and then I try to 179 00:10:29,493 --> 00:10:31,021 It's usually a book, though. 180 00:10:31,157 --> 00:10:32,713 I like when people read. 181 00:10:33,173 --> 00:10:35,913 I usually don't send them a 182 00:10:36,213 --> 00:10:40,153 It seems like a lot of people 183 00:10:40,533 --> 00:10:43,213 Are there certain books that 184 00:10:43,293 --> 00:10:47,453 to pick up and work through, 185 00:10:47,493 --> 00:10:49,805 point, if they're interested 186 00:10:49,829 --> 00:10:50,429 a book? 187 00:10:50,581 --> 00:10:52,909 Do you have a book you just 188 00:10:52,941 --> 00:10:54,957 with and you find that they're 189 00:10:54,965 --> 00:10:55,615 read it? 190 00:10:55,789 --> 00:10:59,963 My favorite one to recommend 191 00:11:00,003 --> 00:11:00,987 of Tomorrow. 192 00:11:01,115 --> 00:11:04,155 Because, I mean, I've 193 00:11:04,219 --> 00:11:08,811 probably the most, and I don't 194 00:11:08,867 --> 00:11:09,419 book. 195 00:11:09,571 --> 00:11:12,459 I think they're all great 196 00:11:12,491 --> 00:11:16,347 speaking to, but just not 197 00:11:16,355 --> 00:11:17,947 the history of central banking. 198 00:11:18,075 --> 00:11:21,893 And so putting in perspective 199 00:11:21,933 --> 00:11:23,173 I try to think about as well. 200 00:11:23,213 --> 00:11:26,981 It's like looking at things 201 00:11:27,037 --> 00:11:27,445 mirror. 202 00:11:27,509 --> 00:11:32,233 And sometimes I think people 203 00:11:32,573 --> 00:11:36,677 and they understand, yeah, 204 00:11:36,805 --> 00:11:39,269 But then they find bitcoin and 205 00:11:39,301 --> 00:11:40,033 of hope. 206 00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:43,621 That's an example of this 207 00:11:43,797 --> 00:11:48,853 And I try to pitch any sort of 208 00:11:48,933 --> 00:11:50,021 And so it's just. 209 00:11:50,157 --> 00:11:54,933 It's a bit of an inversion of 210 00:11:55,473 --> 00:11:58,057 I don't know, let's do 211 00:11:58,105 --> 00:11:59,385 than bitcoin, like AI. 212 00:11:59,449 --> 00:12:03,417 A lot of people, just because 213 00:12:03,465 --> 00:12:09,497 or whatever, they just have a 214 00:12:09,545 --> 00:12:11,973 view of how these things could 215 00:12:12,273 --> 00:12:15,705 And I think if we just can 216 00:12:15,729 --> 00:12:19,637 things actually help you and 217 00:12:19,685 --> 00:12:23,621 in new and innovative ways and 218 00:12:23,677 --> 00:12:27,033 you confined or whatever. 219 00:12:28,733 --> 00:12:30,149 Question number four. 220 00:12:30,221 --> 00:12:31,525 Is this beyond Bitcoin? 221 00:12:31,589 --> 00:12:33,877 What's a resource, tool or idea? 222 00:12:34,005 --> 00:12:36,273 It's been helpful to you or 223 00:12:38,173 --> 00:12:40,709 It's a good transition into AI. 224 00:12:40,821 --> 00:12:44,193 And so two. 225 00:12:44,493 --> 00:12:48,181 Actually, it was three years 226 00:12:48,237 --> 00:12:49,713 a bitcoin mining company. 227 00:12:50,373 --> 00:12:56,669 And this was right when LLMs 228 00:12:56,701 --> 00:12:57,533 the scene. 229 00:12:57,693 --> 00:13:03,245 And we started to just 230 00:13:03,269 --> 00:13:04,313 how we were working. 231 00:13:05,413 --> 00:13:08,973 We did that for a few years, 232 00:13:09,013 --> 00:13:14,045 company, a lot of it is built 233 00:13:14,069 --> 00:13:15,101 an AI company. 234 00:13:15,237 --> 00:13:19,591 I think AI is going to change 235 00:13:19,647 --> 00:13:23,959 products, and it will be a 236 00:13:24,031 --> 00:13:26,631 businesses that should not be overt. 237 00:13:26,727 --> 00:13:29,607 That's very similar to how I 238 00:13:29,735 --> 00:13:33,015 And since we were all 239 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:36,663 work on this new company, it's 240 00:13:36,743 --> 00:13:41,895 come out as an extension of 241 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:44,343 ethos who is building those 242 00:13:44,463 --> 00:13:47,243 And so we were just naturally bitcoiners. 243 00:13:47,583 --> 00:13:50,739 We were naturally working with 244 00:13:50,891 --> 00:13:54,179 And so once we started to work 245 00:13:54,251 --> 00:13:58,067 We use those and we utilize 246 00:13:58,075 --> 00:13:59,703 the day, they're the best tools. 247 00:14:01,083 --> 00:14:03,523 And so, yeah, that's, that's 248 00:14:03,563 --> 00:14:06,931 I think there is a little bit 249 00:14:06,987 --> 00:14:10,579 In the bitcoin space because 250 00:14:10,611 --> 00:14:13,759 in it, maybe overinvested in it. 251 00:14:13,931 --> 00:14:17,671 There is a lot of hype, and 252 00:14:17,727 --> 00:14:22,631 once you actually start to use 253 00:14:22,687 --> 00:14:27,575 them, it's pretty insane what 254 00:14:27,719 --> 00:14:30,487 So now we have our final, what 255 00:14:30,535 --> 00:14:30,887 question. 256 00:14:30,975 --> 00:14:31,767 And it's this. 257 00:14:31,855 --> 00:14:36,163 As a general life principle, 258 00:14:36,703 --> 00:14:37,687 Why not? 259 00:14:37,855 --> 00:14:41,927 And so to me, this relates to 260 00:14:41,975 --> 00:14:44,833 versus techno nihilism conversation. 261 00:14:45,333 --> 00:14:48,749 Asking why is a nihilistic question. 262 00:14:48,821 --> 00:14:50,433 It's like, why do anything? 263 00:14:51,173 --> 00:14:56,477 Why should I have to do this 264 00:14:56,645 --> 00:14:57,933 I'm very. 265 00:14:58,053 --> 00:15:01,069 I'm very much a proponent of entrepreneurialism. 266 00:15:01,261 --> 00:15:02,573 I know you are too. 267 00:15:02,693 --> 00:15:08,793 I think that is very 268 00:15:09,173 --> 00:15:16,615 from and onset, just adopting 269 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:20,455 life savings into it, in some 270 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:22,043 move in and of itself. 271 00:15:22,463 --> 00:15:24,135 You have to have conviction. 272 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:28,055 And so I like to look at 273 00:15:28,119 --> 00:15:30,323 And so I have to go with, why not? 274 00:17:37,517 --> 00:17:41,317 Well, Kaz, we're here today to 275 00:17:41,397 --> 00:17:42,921 Bubble FM. 276 00:17:43,109 --> 00:17:46,593 It's a podcasting 2.0 app, but 277 00:17:46,625 --> 00:17:50,049 you're bringing to Bubble that 278 00:17:50,073 --> 00:17:50,785 interested to hear about. 279 00:17:50,841 --> 00:17:53,169 So if you would just share 280 00:17:53,193 --> 00:17:57,105 it came to be, as well as some 281 00:17:57,121 --> 00:18:00,197 bringing to people's 282 00:18:00,617 --> 00:18:01,649 Absolutely. 283 00:18:01,793 --> 00:18:03,473 So we are Bubble. 284 00:18:03,665 --> 00:18:05,841 Bubble FM is the domain. 285 00:18:05,969 --> 00:18:11,287 We are a new podcasting 286 00:18:11,407 --> 00:18:16,503 beautiful to experience the 287 00:18:16,535 --> 00:18:20,423 perspective, and we make that 288 00:18:20,615 --> 00:18:24,039 And so we actually didn't 289 00:18:24,063 --> 00:18:28,087 podcast app, even though 290 00:18:28,127 --> 00:18:29,207 ago, right. 291 00:18:29,247 --> 00:18:32,391 Whenever Nostr was really 292 00:18:32,399 --> 00:18:35,467 it was the day Jack Dorsey 293 00:18:35,797 --> 00:18:37,261 I'd made an account. 294 00:18:37,429 --> 00:18:40,493 I had heard of it before that, 295 00:18:40,685 --> 00:18:44,477 And again, I approach most 296 00:18:44,557 --> 00:18:45,021 perspective. 297 00:18:45,069 --> 00:18:48,973 And so started digging into 298 00:18:49,005 --> 00:18:52,877 in my slack and I was like, 299 00:18:52,997 --> 00:18:57,677 If you can do nostr plus 300 00:18:57,717 --> 00:19:03,389 new tag systems, you can 301 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:06,775 And this was like in December 302 00:19:06,941 --> 00:19:09,715 And so we were working with 303 00:19:09,771 --> 00:19:11,811 This was just a crazy bad idea. 304 00:19:11,939 --> 00:19:15,987 And we had no intention of 305 00:19:16,107 --> 00:19:17,607 about last summer. 306 00:19:18,427 --> 00:19:23,539 My business partner, Storm, 307 00:19:23,563 --> 00:19:24,451 are from Oklahoma. 308 00:19:24,499 --> 00:19:25,955 The Oklahoma City Thunder is here. 309 00:19:26,011 --> 00:19:29,619 And so he was interested in 310 00:19:29,643 --> 00:19:30,355 summer. 311 00:19:30,531 --> 00:19:34,415 And he was like, man, I wish I 312 00:19:34,471 --> 00:19:38,399 podcasts are saying about 313 00:19:38,423 --> 00:19:39,427 search myself. 314 00:19:39,847 --> 00:19:44,719 And so we had been building 315 00:19:44,743 --> 00:19:46,463 different business at this point. 316 00:19:46,615 --> 00:19:50,479 And so we were like, this 317 00:19:50,543 --> 00:19:56,239 AI to analyze transcripts, to 318 00:19:56,343 --> 00:20:02,639 you can find new clips and you 319 00:20:02,703 --> 00:20:05,157 in a particular community. 320 00:20:05,937 --> 00:20:08,905 And our take on communities 321 00:20:09,001 --> 00:20:11,657 And so that kind of played 322 00:20:11,697 --> 00:20:17,769 It's like in some ways you're 323 00:20:17,833 --> 00:20:22,393 or maybe you only get in a 324 00:20:22,425 --> 00:20:26,217 and then maybe it's difficult 325 00:20:26,257 --> 00:20:29,817 a feed, your Twitter feed, and 326 00:20:29,857 --> 00:20:34,069 of content and you get 327 00:20:34,093 --> 00:20:35,429 that you're not trying to see. 328 00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:38,581 And so we wanted to build an 329 00:20:38,669 --> 00:20:43,029 something to people that 330 00:20:43,053 --> 00:20:46,901 them to see the information 331 00:20:46,949 --> 00:20:47,781 to the clips. 332 00:20:47,829 --> 00:20:53,365 Which is one of those features 333 00:20:53,421 --> 00:20:57,797 enables virality and 334 00:20:57,837 --> 00:21:01,829 audience, is the ability to 335 00:21:01,933 --> 00:21:06,693 across media that links 336 00:21:06,765 --> 00:21:09,537 that was said and maybe a 337 00:21:09,917 --> 00:21:15,333 And so the original product 338 00:21:15,445 --> 00:21:19,817 And so we now have 120 of 339 00:21:20,157 --> 00:21:24,341 We have one for Bitcoin, one 340 00:21:24,429 --> 00:21:27,875 markets, tons of different 341 00:21:28,051 --> 00:21:33,127 And we'll be able to build 342 00:21:34,027 --> 00:21:37,939 And you can subscribe to these 343 00:21:38,003 --> 00:21:40,259 version of it and get anything 344 00:21:40,363 --> 00:21:44,723 And then we also have a 2.0 345 00:21:44,875 --> 00:21:48,979 And so you can go from reading 346 00:21:49,003 --> 00:21:52,721 then listening to this new 347 00:21:52,769 --> 00:21:53,997 across new content. 348 00:21:54,697 --> 00:21:58,881 So the primary experience, 349 00:21:58,969 --> 00:22:01,521 It sounds like it's the Weekly 350 00:22:01,529 --> 00:22:04,993 it, you read through it, and 351 00:22:05,065 --> 00:22:08,689 to a podcast if the clip was 352 00:22:08,713 --> 00:22:09,617 Is that correct? 353 00:22:09,777 --> 00:22:10,689 That's correct. 354 00:22:10,833 --> 00:22:11,393 Yeah. 355 00:22:11,505 --> 00:22:11,953 That's awesome. 356 00:22:11,985 --> 00:22:14,177 I think it's a really cool 357 00:22:14,217 --> 00:22:15,677 You know, a lot of. 358 00:22:15,977 --> 00:22:20,205 A lot of podcasters, maybe 359 00:22:20,261 --> 00:22:23,309 I've heard people, you know, 360 00:22:23,333 --> 00:22:26,429 on the front page, so to 361 00:22:26,493 --> 00:22:28,813 Great discoverability, virality. 362 00:22:28,925 --> 00:22:31,741 That doesn't really exist in 363 00:22:31,789 --> 00:22:35,997 So I feel like this is a 364 00:22:36,037 --> 00:22:40,765 are talking, basically being 365 00:22:40,941 --> 00:22:45,017 One of my curiosities as a 366 00:22:45,497 --> 00:22:48,401 How do you actually get into a digest? 367 00:22:48,449 --> 00:22:48,865 Is it. 368 00:22:48,921 --> 00:22:54,305 If whatever the theme is, 369 00:22:54,441 --> 00:22:58,209 if they happen to have 370 00:22:58,273 --> 00:23:01,809 transcripts and you've just 371 00:23:01,913 --> 00:23:03,233 your clip gets pulled. 372 00:23:03,345 --> 00:23:04,337 What does that look like? 373 00:23:04,377 --> 00:23:07,317 How does AI, I'm guessing, is 374 00:23:07,977 --> 00:23:11,317 How does the AI determine 375 00:23:12,207 --> 00:23:15,767 So that's built into our AI 376 00:23:15,847 --> 00:23:19,787 prompts, which is a little 377 00:23:20,127 --> 00:23:25,031 Sometimes, in our first 378 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:28,663 And so we built those prompts 379 00:23:28,695 --> 00:23:30,007 these transcripts. 380 00:23:30,167 --> 00:23:31,783 And so it was a. 381 00:23:31,855 --> 00:23:36,375 Okay, here's a synthesis of 382 00:23:36,431 --> 00:23:37,623 this past week. 383 00:23:37,775 --> 00:23:43,103 And then the clips were 384 00:23:43,215 --> 00:23:46,895 And so as you're reading the 385 00:23:46,911 --> 00:23:51,103 a paragraph to read about it, 386 00:23:51,215 --> 00:23:55,807 and they give additional 387 00:23:55,967 --> 00:24:02,223 And so there's a bit of a 388 00:24:02,415 --> 00:24:07,689 We have lists built on the 389 00:24:07,833 --> 00:24:12,969 and we curate them and collect 390 00:24:12,993 --> 00:24:13,801 our system. 391 00:24:13,969 --> 00:24:15,689 And we don't really. 392 00:24:15,793 --> 00:24:18,329 It's not like we're sitting 393 00:24:18,353 --> 00:24:18,917 one. 394 00:24:19,217 --> 00:24:25,417 That's part of the magic is 395 00:24:25,497 --> 00:24:30,281 and sometimes contrasting 396 00:24:30,329 --> 00:24:32,057 elements to build. 397 00:24:32,177 --> 00:24:36,457 Here is what you want to 398 00:24:36,497 --> 00:24:41,449 on how building the prompts 399 00:24:41,513 --> 00:24:46,937 And so if it's bitcoin, like, 400 00:24:46,977 --> 00:24:51,497 that we're looking for, and 401 00:24:51,537 --> 00:24:52,441 that makes sense. 402 00:24:52,569 --> 00:24:54,505 Yeah, I think it's really cool. 403 00:24:54,601 --> 00:24:55,577 So how Long is the. 404 00:24:55,617 --> 00:24:59,129 The weekly digest, and then 405 00:24:59,153 --> 00:25:01,529 daily basis or is it kind of 406 00:25:01,553 --> 00:25:03,877 you catch up with all the 407 00:25:05,267 --> 00:25:12,487 So right now it has six key 408 00:25:12,787 --> 00:25:16,011 15 minutes to read through the 409 00:25:16,179 --> 00:25:18,971 But the clips are all 410 00:25:19,019 --> 00:25:21,035 And so you can go in there. 411 00:25:21,091 --> 00:25:24,011 Some of them may have a 30 412 00:25:24,019 --> 00:25:26,011 of them may be closer to five minutes. 413 00:25:26,139 --> 00:25:29,419 You can pull those clips into 414 00:25:29,443 --> 00:25:30,141 a walk. 415 00:25:30,299 --> 00:25:33,529 You could listen to those 416 00:25:33,593 --> 00:25:36,153 like it is one podcast all together. 417 00:25:36,305 --> 00:25:39,481 And so you get all of your 418 00:25:39,489 --> 00:25:45,077 get to have a picture of what 419 00:25:45,937 --> 00:25:48,793 What I think is a little 420 00:25:48,865 --> 00:25:57,017 creates a way for podcasters 421 00:25:57,137 --> 00:25:59,207 off of other people's shows. 422 00:25:59,377 --> 00:26:03,835 And so I directly stole this 423 00:26:03,891 --> 00:26:06,315 Who Built Podcasting 2.0. 424 00:26:06,451 --> 00:26:11,531 And I loved how the no Agenda 425 00:26:11,579 --> 00:26:12,647 and then they would. 426 00:26:12,947 --> 00:26:15,995 Their show is pretty much them 427 00:26:16,011 --> 00:26:17,287 and making fun of it. 428 00:26:17,587 --> 00:26:21,515 And so as a podcaster, you 429 00:26:21,571 --> 00:26:24,699 You could go in there and you 430 00:26:24,723 --> 00:26:27,387 you could say, okay, well, I'm 431 00:26:27,427 --> 00:26:31,291 a show and comment on top of 432 00:26:31,299 --> 00:26:32,887 bitcoin space this week. 433 00:26:34,147 --> 00:26:35,339 That's really interesting. 434 00:26:35,483 --> 00:26:40,347 Would there be a possibility 435 00:26:40,387 --> 00:26:41,007 bubble? 436 00:26:41,987 --> 00:26:47,131 I guess it would be a sub 437 00:26:47,179 --> 00:26:51,035 geopolitics, bitcoin, college 438 00:26:51,131 --> 00:26:54,375 Is there any of that 439 00:26:54,531 --> 00:26:56,639 is that too complex? 440 00:26:56,703 --> 00:26:59,039 Because there are additional 441 00:26:59,063 --> 00:27:02,187 on the back end that the team 442 00:27:02,567 --> 00:27:05,423 We're actually moving towards 443 00:27:05,535 --> 00:27:08,351 And so when we set out to 444 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:08,863 in mind. 445 00:27:08,935 --> 00:27:13,327 It was proving that we could 446 00:27:13,367 --> 00:27:17,279 it look and feel like we want 447 00:27:17,343 --> 00:27:20,319 And it doesn't sound like it's 448 00:27:20,343 --> 00:27:20,953 that. 449 00:27:21,135 --> 00:27:25,697 And so but now we're moving 450 00:27:26,237 --> 00:27:28,389 I'm not sure if the audience 451 00:27:28,413 --> 00:27:30,677 There's a lot of talk about AI agents. 452 00:27:30,837 --> 00:27:36,421 And so the last paradigm, 453 00:27:36,469 --> 00:27:40,757 prompting, you had some 454 00:27:40,917 --> 00:27:46,037 So, like, context windows of 455 00:27:46,077 --> 00:27:47,217 cutoff days. 456 00:27:47,517 --> 00:27:52,419 And at the end of the day, it 457 00:27:52,603 --> 00:27:56,451 facilitate something out of 458 00:27:56,619 --> 00:28:02,195 And so now with agents and 459 00:28:02,251 --> 00:28:06,307 reasoning and memory and goals 460 00:28:06,347 --> 00:28:12,019 act somewhat autonomously with 461 00:28:12,043 --> 00:28:13,923 the generative AI system. 462 00:28:13,995 --> 00:28:17,675 And so you can still have a 463 00:28:17,811 --> 00:28:21,659 but allow it to make its own 464 00:28:21,683 --> 00:28:22,967 you define for it. 465 00:28:23,427 --> 00:28:27,051 And so, all that being said, 466 00:28:27,139 --> 00:28:31,995 yes, you'll be able to create 467 00:28:32,051 --> 00:28:36,427 to pull and create bubbles 468 00:28:36,547 --> 00:28:40,139 And so instead of just here's 469 00:28:40,163 --> 00:28:44,949 podcasts in bitcoin, it will 470 00:28:44,973 --> 00:28:45,861 mentions bitcoin. 471 00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:50,021 Maybe it's Joe Rogan and he's 472 00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:53,205 but he may have a two minute 473 00:28:53,381 --> 00:28:57,813 And so right now the bubble 474 00:28:57,845 --> 00:29:02,613 once a week, but we are very 475 00:29:02,685 --> 00:29:07,653 And so you'll just have a 476 00:29:07,685 --> 00:29:10,497 day based on the latest information. 477 00:29:10,797 --> 00:29:15,323 And so it won't be like fully 478 00:29:15,395 --> 00:29:18,091 ever changing data based on 479 00:29:18,219 --> 00:29:21,947 Yeah, so we had probably about 480 00:29:21,987 --> 00:29:24,491 a little bit more than a 481 00:29:24,579 --> 00:29:28,939 Open Agents on talking about 482 00:29:29,043 --> 00:29:31,979 And obviously we're talking 483 00:29:32,003 --> 00:29:39,367 point in time and sort of how 484 00:29:39,747 --> 00:29:43,421 a lot of people's concerns 485 00:29:43,509 --> 00:29:48,077 So I think people are 486 00:29:48,237 --> 00:29:52,941 of individual agents, and I 487 00:29:52,949 --> 00:29:55,565 hear what you guys are doing 488 00:29:55,701 --> 00:29:59,165 I'm curious to know, you've 489 00:29:59,221 --> 00:30:00,337 mirror element. 490 00:30:01,077 --> 00:30:07,709 How does something like bubble 491 00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:08,297 world? 492 00:30:09,877 --> 00:30:10,445 Yeah. 493 00:30:10,541 --> 00:30:15,709 So I would start the 494 00:30:15,853 --> 00:30:20,909 And so if we originally look 495 00:30:20,933 --> 00:30:24,525 was meant to be just like 496 00:30:24,581 --> 00:30:29,937 anybody could use and share 497 00:30:30,357 --> 00:30:35,729 And now with podcasting 1.0, 498 00:30:35,753 --> 00:30:37,117 of this narrative as well. 499 00:30:37,577 --> 00:30:41,633 The big companies have 500 00:30:41,665 --> 00:30:45,889 also now, like Spotify for 501 00:30:45,913 --> 00:30:50,257 the creation around some of 502 00:30:50,417 --> 00:30:58,913 And so, I mean, these chapters 503 00:30:59,025 --> 00:31:03,713 that carousels throughout the 504 00:31:03,745 --> 00:31:06,181 with your audience in real 505 00:31:06,249 --> 00:31:10,829 So these things should be 506 00:31:10,853 --> 00:31:15,581 use, but they're also 507 00:31:15,629 --> 00:31:16,173 end. 508 00:31:16,325 --> 00:31:22,109 And so I like to look at AI as 509 00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:24,669 And so I had a podcast back in 510 00:31:24,773 --> 00:31:28,957 I'm very familiar with the 511 00:31:28,997 --> 00:31:32,679 your RSS feed and your 512 00:31:32,823 --> 00:31:35,367 Especially if you have a 513 00:31:35,407 --> 00:31:39,655 to highlight your guests, you 514 00:31:39,711 --> 00:31:40,667 these links. 515 00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:44,919 And sometimes I was catching 516 00:31:44,943 --> 00:31:46,919 an hour, and it took me just 517 00:31:47,023 --> 00:31:48,727 To make the description look good. 518 00:31:48,847 --> 00:31:53,239 And so since we started this 519 00:31:53,263 --> 00:31:58,117 AI, it's pretty trivial for us 520 00:31:58,157 --> 00:32:00,261 build summaries in real time. 521 00:32:00,429 --> 00:32:05,861 And then since we also have 522 00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:08,373 in there without you having to 523 00:32:08,525 --> 00:32:11,701 And we don't want you to have 524 00:32:11,869 --> 00:32:16,309 and aggregating all of their 525 00:32:16,453 --> 00:32:22,117 because podcasters and guests 526 00:32:22,157 --> 00:32:23,955 have a profile that they can share. 527 00:32:24,101 --> 00:32:26,247 And so that's one of the 528 00:32:26,287 --> 00:32:29,799 this is, and we were talking 529 00:32:29,823 --> 00:32:33,047 show started, of how difficult 530 00:32:33,127 --> 00:32:37,415 And so part of this podcasting 531 00:32:37,471 --> 00:32:43,111 podcasters and guests to see 532 00:32:43,199 --> 00:32:45,799 facilitate a booking on a show. 533 00:32:45,903 --> 00:32:50,615 And then you can see a profile 534 00:32:50,631 --> 00:32:51,629 that I went on. 535 00:32:51,783 --> 00:32:54,977 Here's my company information, 536 00:32:55,137 --> 00:32:57,105 And then we share this back 537 00:32:57,201 --> 00:33:00,449 So we get it to a point where 538 00:33:00,473 --> 00:33:02,117 us an MP3 file. 539 00:33:03,097 --> 00:33:05,137 Their show looks beautiful in 540 00:33:05,217 --> 00:33:07,969 They have a tag for their 541 00:33:08,073 --> 00:33:09,249 auto populated. 542 00:33:09,393 --> 00:33:14,177 They have rolling transcripts 543 00:33:14,297 --> 00:33:18,829 sort of automate some of these 544 00:33:18,853 --> 00:33:21,181 we tap you right into the 545 00:33:21,309 --> 00:33:25,453 And so, like, we're not trying 546 00:33:25,645 --> 00:33:26,989 these things should be open. 547 00:33:27,093 --> 00:33:31,197 And so these things will all 548 00:33:31,237 --> 00:33:34,141 all the other 2.0 apps to take 549 00:33:34,309 --> 00:33:39,757 And so I think it's somewhere 550 00:33:39,837 --> 00:33:42,813 actually has transcripts in 551 00:33:43,005 --> 00:33:45,113 We need to make that number 552 00:33:45,285 --> 00:33:50,817 Like seeing a floating Star 553 00:33:50,857 --> 00:33:56,577 be a normal interaction and 554 00:33:56,617 --> 00:34:00,657 this static, you know, 555 00:34:00,697 --> 00:34:02,097 people don't look at. 556 00:34:02,217 --> 00:34:06,097 A lot of podcasters spend all 557 00:34:06,137 --> 00:34:08,785 most people don't even look at 558 00:34:08,961 --> 00:34:13,085 And so how do we turn that 559 00:34:13,141 --> 00:34:15,981 a show, publish it through our platform? 560 00:34:16,029 --> 00:34:20,797 Because we'll have hosting and 561 00:34:20,837 --> 00:34:25,101 MP3 and then within two to 562 00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:27,485 injected in their RSS feed. 563 00:34:27,581 --> 00:34:29,133 They didn't have to do anything. 564 00:34:29,325 --> 00:34:33,389 And then we'll give them some 565 00:34:33,413 --> 00:34:36,637 are auto generated in their 566 00:34:36,677 --> 00:34:38,049 their podcast to X. 567 00:34:38,213 --> 00:34:42,489 And so just new and innovative 568 00:34:42,553 --> 00:34:46,713 some of this generative AI and 569 00:34:46,905 --> 00:34:47,769 Excellent. 570 00:34:47,913 --> 00:34:52,457 Well that's exciting for me to 571 00:34:52,497 --> 00:34:54,985 will probably be a number of 572 00:34:55,041 --> 00:34:58,569 have podcasts and so hopefully 573 00:34:58,633 --> 00:35:01,481 Are those features available 574 00:35:01,489 --> 00:35:02,037 future? 575 00:35:02,417 --> 00:35:06,569 So we are very close to 576 00:35:06,633 --> 00:35:10,495 Services, the Podcast 2.0 577 00:35:10,551 --> 00:35:11,387 out there. 578 00:35:11,687 --> 00:35:14,783 You can come on, you can 579 00:35:14,975 --> 00:35:18,175 I think it'll be next week 580 00:35:18,231 --> 00:35:22,591 beta test for podcasters and 581 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:24,959 platform will be rolling out 582 00:35:25,143 --> 00:35:27,119 So I'll definitely be sending 583 00:35:27,183 --> 00:35:30,783 I'd love for you to come just 584 00:35:30,815 --> 00:35:32,991 for us for sure. 585 00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:38,381 And so I want to get back to 586 00:35:38,429 --> 00:35:39,181 up today. 587 00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:45,405 So right now it's kind of in 588 00:35:45,501 --> 00:35:51,757 FM and that's B U B B L FM and 589 00:35:51,797 --> 00:35:53,085 bubble for free. 590 00:35:53,221 --> 00:35:58,897 Additional Bubbles I think 591 00:35:59,557 --> 00:36:02,937 what you think people should 592 00:36:03,557 --> 00:36:06,653 Or is it as simple as signing 593 00:36:06,805 --> 00:36:08,697 checking out the digest every Week. 594 00:36:09,237 --> 00:36:11,869 Yeah, I would say definitely 595 00:36:12,053 --> 00:36:15,453 I One of the chicken or the 596 00:36:15,525 --> 00:36:18,637 don't really know what the 597 00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:21,581 until they can see it and 598 00:36:21,749 --> 00:36:23,917 So we made the first bubble free. 599 00:36:24,037 --> 00:36:28,749 This is a bitcoin podcast, so 600 00:36:28,773 --> 00:36:30,433 the financial markets bubble. 601 00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:34,089 And then once you have an 602 00:36:34,113 --> 00:36:37,385 into the podcast player, 603 00:36:37,561 --> 00:36:41,289 being able to create clips, 604 00:36:41,473 --> 00:36:44,169 But if you don't have an 605 00:36:44,193 --> 00:36:45,689 subscribe to a podcast. 606 00:36:45,833 --> 00:36:48,745 It will kind of lack that 607 00:36:48,801 --> 00:36:50,217 podcast apps are like that. 608 00:36:50,257 --> 00:36:51,529 It's tied to an account. 609 00:36:51,713 --> 00:36:53,065 You can still listen, though. 610 00:36:53,121 --> 00:36:56,009 So if you just want to go 611 00:36:56,033 --> 00:36:58,897 an account to just go listen 612 00:36:59,017 --> 00:36:59,505 Yeah. 613 00:36:59,601 --> 00:37:04,593 And one thing that's really 614 00:37:04,625 --> 00:37:08,033 that you have an example of 615 00:37:08,105 --> 00:37:10,625 Like there's an image of a 616 00:37:10,641 --> 00:37:11,985 scrolling through so you can. 617 00:37:12,041 --> 00:37:13,665 You can get an idea of what it 618 00:37:13,721 --> 00:37:15,505 I feel like that's really helpful. 619 00:37:15,601 --> 00:37:16,657 I think what you're doing is great. 620 00:37:16,697 --> 00:37:19,153 I'm interested to see how it 621 00:37:19,185 --> 00:37:22,017 in testing out Bubble for myself. 622 00:37:22,177 --> 00:37:24,685 Kaz, do you have any final 623 00:37:24,741 --> 00:37:27,165 You've kind of already given a 624 00:37:27,221 --> 00:37:28,777 reissue that as well. 625 00:37:29,317 --> 00:37:35,117 Yeah, I would just say check 626 00:37:35,157 --> 00:37:35,773 me on Twitter. 627 00:37:35,805 --> 00:37:39,217 That's cool as well at btc, Kaz. 628 00:37:39,957 --> 00:37:43,117 And the only advice I would 629 00:37:43,157 --> 00:37:44,189 a white mirror. 630 00:37:44,333 --> 00:37:46,605 Technology is not inherently bad. 631 00:37:46,741 --> 00:37:50,299 It's how we build technology, 632 00:37:50,323 --> 00:37:51,499 that is how we use it. 633 00:37:51,603 --> 00:37:54,395 And so if we can build 634 00:37:54,451 --> 00:37:59,499 confined to usage in a way 635 00:37:59,603 --> 00:38:03,435 part of what bubble is, is 636 00:38:03,491 --> 00:38:07,355 things you care about without 637 00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:09,963 And so we want to deliver that 638 00:38:10,115 --> 00:38:14,763 And the last sort of product 639 00:38:14,795 --> 00:38:16,891 building a podcast search engine. 640 00:38:16,939 --> 00:38:17,497 And as well. 641 00:38:17,537 --> 00:38:21,545 And so since we have all these 642 00:38:21,561 --> 00:38:24,521 and everything, we vectorized 643 00:38:24,649 --> 00:38:28,233 And so very soon we'll be able 644 00:38:28,305 --> 00:38:33,001 type into a chat and say hm, 645 00:38:33,049 --> 00:38:34,649 about opctv? 646 00:38:34,793 --> 00:38:36,937 And then it will connect you 647 00:38:37,057 --> 00:38:40,153 And then once we have the 648 00:38:40,185 --> 00:38:42,357 and stuff, it will help you. 649 00:38:43,017 --> 00:38:47,169 Basically give you a way as a 650 00:38:47,273 --> 00:38:51,201 who is a guest that might be 651 00:38:51,369 --> 00:38:55,009 and then you can search in 652 00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:57,425 a profile on Bubble, you'll be 653 00:38:57,441 --> 00:38:58,797 and book them on your show. 654 00:38:59,737 --> 00:39:00,433 Very cool. 655 00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:02,257 Well Cas, thank you so much 656 00:39:02,297 --> 00:39:03,201 It's been a pleasure. 657 00:39:03,329 --> 00:39:04,289 Thanks Josh. 658 00:39:04,433 --> 00:39:05,393 Well friends, it's a wrap. 659 00:39:05,425 --> 00:39:08,183 Thanks so much for listening 660 00:39:08,225 --> 00:39:09,243 Coinization Show. 661 00:39:09,315 --> 00:39:11,499 If you want to reach out to 662 00:39:11,523 --> 00:39:12,763 links down in the show notes. 663 00:39:12,795 --> 00:39:16,699 And check out Bubble FM if 664 00:39:16,763 --> 00:39:18,539 content for your favorite topics. 665 00:39:18,603 --> 00:39:21,595 As always, keep building, keep 666 00:39:21,651 --> 00:39:23,427 living and leading well.