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seen for bitcoiners.

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people's health challenges as

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Welcome to the Business

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to helping you enrich your

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bitcoin, the hardest money on

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I'm your host, Josh Friedman

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who's the co founder of NOS

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of of their health data.

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John, welcome to the podcast.

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Thanks for having me, Josh.

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Excited to be here.

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So I like to start off every

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that help us to get to know

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us some insight for our own lives.

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Are you ready for these?

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Let's do it.

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Question number one is this.

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When and how did you first

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Heard about it at first in

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say 2020 Saylor starts buying.

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is money?

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along the sovereign individual

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to the bitcoin journey.

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a little micro strategy to

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money into Bitcoin and hold in

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What's an insight or fact

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of bitcoin and how important

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about your business Satoshi

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this conversation today.

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Satoshi Health Advisors and

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the last six or seven months?

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It's been a great pleasure,

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on direct primary care

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even yogis and helping them

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accept bitcoin payments, save

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how bitcoin is going to impact

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really for low time preference.

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if it's from a savings and

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hey, this is what my customers

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business which is still very

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data was hacked last year.

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your consent and whether you

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healthcare data, whenever

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procedure done, you're not

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of even being a new person.

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if you were, had a commercial

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same company doing both

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completely new person and that

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constantly fill out and share

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responsibility for our health

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in navigating the healthcare

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data that you do need to share

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data.

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So could you talk a little bit

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as much sense for something

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So with a blockchain you have

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nodes or validators.

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However you're going to do

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of them now, other than

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Right.

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Are the people with the money

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But you also have to be synced

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for an open ledger of who has

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That's really important.

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But for healthcare you don't

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else's information.

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Right.

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And that's where I think NOSTR

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to the relays you want to

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We'll be running our HIPAA

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And privacy is also super, has

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the US as well as other places.

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But you don't necessarily,

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need to know what's going on

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relays if that's not relevant

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So you can kind of plug into

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web of trust.

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And if you think about it

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And so tapping into the social

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have, you know, the idea of

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in a blockchain is the right start.

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But we have an even better way

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nostr.

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That doesn't need a token that

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We already have money, which

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Right.

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For value, for value interactions.

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And now you can decide where

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selective disclosure of that

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And so there's even, I think,

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potential blockchains that are

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This is going to be more

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And so it's taking some of

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But most of the projects that

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blockchain and healthcare come

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you know, other crypto there

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And I just don't think that's

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So when I started really

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over the last two plus years,

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apply this to healthcare.

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And I connected with now one

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who's the creator of Amethyst,

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And so we have a nip, a NOSTR

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store medical data on nostr.

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And there are international

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It's called FHIR HL7, so we're

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NOSTR events can be pretty

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a lot of tooling and

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as well.

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This is all open source too,

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But for example, how are we

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and heavier types of data

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capabilities issues on a

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more flexibility in terms of

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but ultimately having a

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that data.

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This is something I should

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But as you're describing all

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rays on nostr, where is that

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What is that like?

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Is it one database that all

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So it very much depends.

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It's very fragmented in

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place.

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And even if you go to one

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different outpatient center,

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get that X ray sent to the

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You might have to go in and

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hospital to go get your X ray.

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So the healthcare data

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it is hosted on a variety of

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servers, on electronic medical

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And many people end up.

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It's a honey pot basically.

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Right?

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And that data is hacked and

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Some of it might be de

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at the same time you're giving

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a lot of your privacy.

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And look, not everybody's

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that too.

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But I think for our

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be even nomadic or traveling

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healthcare today, but you

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some other aspects of your

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track, but you don't want it

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to necessarily have that be

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But you want to track your

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get your labs done, and right

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a PDF of that.

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You know, those labs that were done.

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There isn't a great way to

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it over time and then maybe

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Going down different health

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of an alternative health

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for Bitcoiners.

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And that self discovery

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and create a forum for those

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connect with providers

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people's health challenges as

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they want to share or you can

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And NOSTR provides all that

403
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already, you know, baked in

404
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health applications and we're

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it.

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You know, we're going to

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and builders and providers

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and then Satoshi Health

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and providers that are burnt

410
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And we know how expensive it

411
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So we can build the tooling

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providers that want to operate

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still provide great value and

414
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One of the things that you

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lot of people don't care too

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And I think that there's a lot

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I think if you ask someone, do

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They'll say yes.

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But in practice, a lot of

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as much maybe as they should.

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But one thing that I think is

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would care about is making

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the doctors you're working

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else it might be, you have the

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your medical history that they

426
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with you, you can make the

427
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And that's, that's the reason

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Because if it's centralized

429
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a few different places, yes,

430
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But also your doctor may not

431
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she needs about you when

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So I think it's, I think it

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bring your entire medical

434
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you need to or whatever's

435
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Yeah, absolutely.

436
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That you, you hit it spot on.

437
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Whether it's an emergency

438
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country or you're just going

439
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It can be very difficult for

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information.

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And it can be a big burden

442
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to keep track and have all

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and labs.

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And it ends up being leading

445
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oh, let's just do another

446
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radiation that's unnecessary

447
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we did a few weeks ago.

448
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So a lot of the waste and

449
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much incentivized through a

450
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is also driven through just

451
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Hospitals also delete records

452
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So if you actually wanted to

453
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1 diabetes or something else

454
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a kid or younger and you want

455
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understand your own health

456
00:25:48,383 --> 00:25:52,103
to find that data might not

457
00:25:52,135 --> 00:25:55,623
after a certain point because

458
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forever.

459
00:25:56,551 --> 00:25:59,911
And so this can be a way

460
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we're putting out there really

461
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ansalud to have an open source

462
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challenge.

463
00:26:08,309 --> 00:26:11,701
So in 2025 we're actually

464
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week and have a bit of a

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that.

466
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But the goal is to build open

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improve health, address

468
00:26:22,485 --> 00:26:25,429
access, data portability and

469
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So we think by working on the

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medical data, here's how we

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sovereign way for the

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those providers, for example,

473
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relay, or you can write data

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health apps, connecting the

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we can unlock some, I think

476
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certainly encountered in my

477
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healthcare and Bitcoin and

478
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people into that challenge and

479
00:27:03,499 --> 00:27:06,739
whole host of people,

480
00:27:06,883 --> 00:27:10,127
anyone that's just focused on

481
00:27:10,667 --> 00:27:15,027
we can start to move more of

482
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that data stored in a

483
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So I still have more questions

484
00:27:21,243 --> 00:27:24,163
up, how can people get

485
00:27:24,195 --> 00:27:27,411
interesting to them or if

486
00:27:27,459 --> 00:27:29,713
of someone that might be a

487
00:27:29,785 --> 00:27:30,481
Yeah, definitely.

488
00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:34,529
You can reach out to, reach

489
00:27:34,633 --> 00:27:36,913
we'll have more info on the

490
00:27:36,985 --> 00:27:41,665
We're also posting from

491
00:27:41,721 --> 00:27:45,089
involved for the challenges

492
00:27:45,193 --> 00:27:49,565
Those, those calls are going

493
00:27:49,676 --> 00:27:51,313
9, or that, that week.

494
00:27:51,385 --> 00:27:53,809
We'll have a form, an interest

495
00:27:53,833 --> 00:27:54,657
So you can fill that out.

496
00:27:54,697 --> 00:27:57,537
Let us know, you know, what

497
00:27:57,577 --> 00:27:58,705
are you interested in?

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Where are you coming from, you

499
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over this.

500
00:28:02,949 --> 00:28:04,397
While the challenges are big

501
00:28:04,437 --> 00:28:06,461
there are also other

502
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the world that we think this

503
00:28:08,429 --> 00:28:12,541
Where there isn't access to

504
00:28:12,669 --> 00:28:15,949
for example, and you're not

505
00:28:16,013 --> 00:28:19,389
So there's more and more tools

506
00:28:19,413 --> 00:28:20,989
we want to take with this.

507
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And then I'm also doing

508
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So we're kind of as we do our

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My other co founder is Avi Bura.

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He's coming from United

511
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news lately.

512
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But they were hacked earlier

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A lot of data was stolen.

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A lot of work.

515
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And so that's just another

516
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But so between the three of

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both from a product technical

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And we're figuring out and

519
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in your health, what are the

520
00:28:55,857 --> 00:28:56,713
in your health?

521
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How are you tracking your

522
00:29:00,257 --> 00:29:00,457
time?

523
00:29:00,497 --> 00:29:02,107
Are you using any tools today?

524
00:29:02,297 --> 00:29:03,831
You concern with privacy.

525
00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:06,295
So these are types of

526
00:29:06,351 --> 00:29:07,159
with individuals.

527
00:29:07,223 --> 00:29:08,647
So definitely feel free to

528
00:29:08,687 --> 00:29:12,967
John usfabrica.com and we'll

529
00:29:13,007 --> 00:29:16,967
But we love, you know, we

530
00:29:17,087 --> 00:29:20,967
you know, bitcoin, now that

531
00:29:21,007 --> 00:29:23,027
for 15, 16 years now.

532
00:29:23,727 --> 00:29:27,223
A lot of the mining markets

533
00:29:27,255 --> 00:29:33,729
we see with the ETFs and

534
00:29:33,753 --> 00:29:36,993
of that industry is entrenched

535
00:29:37,025 --> 00:29:37,265
Right.

536
00:29:37,321 --> 00:29:38,481
Five, six, seven, eight years.

537
00:29:38,569 --> 00:29:40,945
But I think with the

538
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early with bitcoin adoption

539
00:29:44,721 --> 00:29:45,677
of new technology.

540
00:29:45,977 --> 00:29:48,929
And even if that's just cash

541
00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:51,649
could be converted to Bitcoin

542
00:29:51,673 --> 00:29:54,961
direct primary care that lend

543
00:29:55,089 --> 00:30:01,827
The healthcare Data space is

544
00:30:01,987 --> 00:30:05,859
So out of that market there's

545
00:30:06,043 --> 00:30:09,779
from a bitcoiner perspective

546
00:30:09,963 --> 00:30:13,891
So we think it's a big

547
00:30:13,899 --> 00:30:17,607
greenfield approach where

548
00:30:18,187 --> 00:30:19,379
where do you want to store

549
00:30:19,403 --> 00:30:23,335
How can we build better ux,

550
00:30:23,491 --> 00:30:25,727
help people, encourage them to

551
00:30:25,767 --> 00:30:28,911
And as we know, a lot of the

552
00:30:28,919 --> 00:30:33,919
CDC or HHS or other aspects

553
00:30:33,943 --> 00:30:36,719
years and people are starting

554
00:30:36,743 --> 00:30:41,919
the FDA and testing out

555
00:30:42,063 --> 00:30:45,311
that can really help address

556
00:30:45,439 --> 00:30:46,991
You might need a partner on

557
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:50,387
And so healthcare providers,

558
00:30:51,527 --> 00:30:56,619
whether a naturopath or

559
00:30:56,643 --> 00:31:00,859
boxed out of the healthcare

560
00:31:00,923 --> 00:31:05,979
can find a voice and find

561
00:31:06,043 --> 00:31:09,979
and having that social

562
00:31:10,003 --> 00:31:13,307
ultimately where there is a

563
00:31:13,387 --> 00:31:16,875
boom, we have Bitcoin and we

564
00:31:16,971 --> 00:31:20,555
those types of interactions

565
00:31:20,611 --> 00:31:21,115
lives.

566
00:31:21,251 --> 00:31:27,439
So you've made a good case for

567
00:31:27,463 --> 00:31:28,495
end user.

568
00:31:28,671 --> 00:31:34,431
But I'm curious to know why

569
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:35,807
would want to use this.

570
00:31:35,847 --> 00:31:40,463
And the reason that I ask is

571
00:31:40,535 --> 00:31:45,311
for the consumer is not always

572
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,719
And I would say that you and I

573
00:31:48,743 --> 00:31:53,969
beginning to trend in a better

574
00:31:54,113 --> 00:31:58,705
But what would be the benefit

575
00:31:58,761 --> 00:32:00,705
would get from using Nos Fabrica?

576
00:32:00,721 --> 00:32:03,969
Do they have enough incentive

577
00:32:04,073 --> 00:32:07,921
There are many tools now that

578
00:32:07,969 --> 00:32:12,545
space for providers, but many

579
00:32:12,561 --> 00:32:18,999
on larger practices, bigger

580
00:32:19,063 --> 00:32:19,767
for example.

581
00:32:19,847 --> 00:32:24,647
Even in the outpatient space,

582
00:32:24,727 --> 00:32:27,047
in M and A and centralization

583
00:32:27,127 --> 00:32:31,767
And the legacy health tech has

584
00:32:31,847 --> 00:32:32,647
is a challenge.

585
00:32:32,727 --> 00:32:36,343
And the tools are not really

586
00:32:36,455 --> 00:32:39,031
even having an electronic

587
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,287
use, having patient

588
00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:41,895
to use.

589
00:32:42,031 --> 00:32:46,031
So I've actually been working

590
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:48,991
Increasing efficiency and

591
00:32:48,999 --> 00:32:49,583
of different ways.

592
00:32:49,615 --> 00:32:53,599
And a lot of that's included

593
00:32:53,623 --> 00:32:56,187
out there and what our

594
00:32:56,487 --> 00:33:02,587
And there's definitely a gap

595
00:33:02,967 --> 00:33:07,055
independent practitioners to

596
00:33:07,191 --> 00:33:11,521
from a scheduling perspective,

597
00:33:11,719 --> 00:33:14,749
And so the benefit of NOSTR

598
00:33:14,773 --> 00:33:19,773
can build with NUSfabrica is

599
00:33:19,805 --> 00:33:21,341
of ownership on the data.

600
00:33:21,429 --> 00:33:21,677
Right.

601
00:33:21,717 --> 00:33:24,861
It's ultimately the

602
00:33:24,909 --> 00:33:26,237
write access, right?

603
00:33:26,277 --> 00:33:29,133
The patient will say, yes, you

604
00:33:29,325 --> 00:33:33,309
And then they can have access

605
00:33:33,413 --> 00:33:37,069
Kind of solving that challenge

606
00:33:37,093 --> 00:33:40,605
went to another hospital or

607
00:33:40,621 --> 00:33:43,563
have a good relationship with

608
00:33:43,595 --> 00:33:47,403
and I don't know what, how did

609
00:33:47,475 --> 00:33:50,647
medications that you're on and

610
00:33:51,427 --> 00:33:54,487
from the patient or maybe they

611
00:33:55,347 --> 00:33:59,339
versus oh, they could tap in

612
00:33:59,363 --> 00:34:00,651
me from your own relay.

613
00:34:00,779 --> 00:34:02,427
I can write other information there.

614
00:34:02,467 --> 00:34:04,603
And we're kind of all up to

615
00:34:04,675 --> 00:34:08,203
So our goal is definitely to

616
00:34:08,395 --> 00:34:13,323
for both the providers and

617
00:34:13,435 --> 00:34:17,851
from a key management

618
00:34:17,939 --> 00:34:20,379
these tools really are built

619
00:34:20,483 --> 00:34:25,035
Not for a solo practitioner,

620
00:34:25,091 --> 00:34:26,139
different modalities.

621
00:34:26,283 --> 00:34:28,187
So we have already a micro app.

622
00:34:28,227 --> 00:34:31,371
We see a lot of micro apps as

623
00:34:31,499 --> 00:34:33,995
applications, but one is

624
00:34:34,091 --> 00:34:40,407
So it's a way for eye doctors

625
00:34:40,447 --> 00:34:40,743
right.

626
00:34:40,815 --> 00:34:46,071
So all they need is your NPUB

627
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,279
data, boom, it gets sent right

628
00:34:48,303 --> 00:34:51,575
Right now it'll already render

629
00:34:51,751 --> 00:34:54,343
but we'll want to have a

630
00:34:54,375 --> 00:34:56,867
here's my vision, here are my

631
00:34:57,247 --> 00:35:00,503
A way for you to kind of have

632
00:35:00,535 --> 00:35:02,871
had that ability for at least

633
00:35:02,919 --> 00:35:06,753
You have a sign note from the

634
00:35:06,785 --> 00:35:08,817
store to buy your glasses, right?

635
00:35:08,857 --> 00:35:12,785
So creating more of those kind

636
00:35:12,801 --> 00:35:14,305
all you need in the form.

637
00:35:14,361 --> 00:35:19,521
Today it's either a printed

638
00:35:19,569 --> 00:35:21,217
manual in a lot of ways.

639
00:35:21,377 --> 00:35:25,441
So moving more to an

640
00:35:25,489 --> 00:35:29,009
signed process too where yeah

641
00:35:29,033 --> 00:35:32,809
profile, build up attestations

642
00:35:32,833 --> 00:35:35,849
those components of web of

643
00:35:35,873 --> 00:35:36,841
where am I going?

644
00:35:37,009 --> 00:35:40,825
Where should I go get care,

645
00:35:40,841 --> 00:35:43,769
a word of mouth is a big way

646
00:35:43,793 --> 00:35:44,409
business.

647
00:35:44,593 --> 00:35:48,025
And so I think the Nostr

648
00:35:48,081 --> 00:35:51,241
weekly active users, there

649
00:35:51,409 --> 00:35:54,249
And not everybody wants to use

650
00:35:54,273 --> 00:35:58,153
to use a health app or maybe

651
00:35:58,185 --> 00:36:01,609
app or a music app or book

652
00:36:01,633 --> 00:36:03,565
bring your same profile with you.

653
00:36:03,681 --> 00:36:07,317
Say you wanted a different

654
00:36:07,397 --> 00:36:09,217
and public private key.

655
00:36:09,517 --> 00:36:12,773
So we think there's a lot of

656
00:36:12,805 --> 00:36:15,589
where we don't think we can,

657
00:36:15,613 --> 00:36:18,869
we want to have this ecosystem

658
00:36:18,893 --> 00:36:21,317
developers working in open source.

659
00:36:21,397 --> 00:36:24,469
We have a lot of great Bitcoin

660
00:36:24,493 --> 00:36:27,589
can build more health focused

661
00:36:27,613 --> 00:36:30,389
Lightning and Bitcoin, but

662
00:36:30,413 --> 00:36:31,109
be facing.

663
00:36:31,253 --> 00:36:33,861
So that leads me to my final question.

664
00:36:33,949 --> 00:36:37,393
I think you briefly addressed

665
00:36:37,425 --> 00:36:37,953
ago.

666
00:36:38,105 --> 00:36:44,049
But when it comes to your

667
00:36:44,073 --> 00:36:47,569
you foresee this being

668
00:36:47,673 --> 00:36:50,529
but a part of your primary

669
00:36:50,633 --> 00:36:54,593
Or do you see a future where

670
00:36:54,625 --> 00:36:59,617
or you know, private public

671
00:36:59,737 --> 00:37:00,577
Does that make sense?

672
00:37:00,657 --> 00:37:01,425
Yeah, definitely.

673
00:37:01,521 --> 00:37:04,827
I think, I think the beauty of

674
00:37:04,907 --> 00:37:07,419
You know, if there's certain

675
00:37:07,443 --> 00:37:10,235
want to keep private, you

676
00:37:10,291 --> 00:37:10,887
key.

677
00:37:11,347 --> 00:37:14,059
You can definitely spin up

678
00:37:14,083 --> 00:37:14,763
for health reasons.

679
00:37:14,795 --> 00:37:16,939
I think many people may go

680
00:37:17,083 --> 00:37:21,387
But I think to start and until

681
00:37:21,427 --> 00:37:24,763
management tools that are

682
00:37:24,795 --> 00:37:28,507
and using between web

683
00:37:28,547 --> 00:37:34,177
iPhone and Android, it'll

684
00:37:34,217 --> 00:37:38,129
and I think that's just from

685
00:37:38,153 --> 00:37:39,953
the most streamlined.

686
00:37:40,145 --> 00:37:44,001
But that's another key piece

687
00:37:44,049 --> 00:37:46,097
and how Are people going to

688
00:37:46,137 --> 00:37:47,117
This is new.

689
00:37:47,897 --> 00:37:51,997
And also if maybe you lose

690
00:37:52,377 --> 00:37:54,881
That's where having those

691
00:37:54,889 --> 00:37:56,197
to be a degree of trust.

692
00:37:56,497 --> 00:37:59,849
Maybe it's written as a backup

693
00:37:59,873 --> 00:38:02,921
we're hosting your relay and

694
00:38:02,929 --> 00:38:06,665
tooling there that will play

695
00:38:06,721 --> 00:38:10,617
model perspective, but also

696
00:38:10,777 --> 00:38:12,025
how they want to store this data.

697
00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:13,273
You can always run your own relay.

698
00:38:13,305 --> 00:38:14,137
Take this yourself.

699
00:38:14,217 --> 00:38:18,393
And that paradigm shift from

700
00:38:18,465 --> 00:38:22,277
you're actually paying them to

701
00:38:22,897 --> 00:38:27,395
and we think that's just

702
00:38:27,451 --> 00:38:32,083
where we're in control of our

703
00:38:32,195 --> 00:38:36,019
the best free and open source

704
00:38:36,043 --> 00:38:36,419
are.

705
00:38:36,523 --> 00:38:38,195
Well John, I appreciate you

706
00:38:38,251 --> 00:38:40,019
If there are any final

707
00:38:40,043 --> 00:38:42,147
share those as well as remind

708
00:38:42,187 --> 00:38:44,803
want to get involved with Nos Fabrica.

709
00:38:44,835 --> 00:38:48,739
I'm excited about the future

710
00:38:48,803 --> 00:38:49,203
users.

711
00:38:49,235 --> 00:38:50,211
That's what we need more of.

712
00:38:50,299 --> 00:38:51,843
So Bitcoin enables.

713
00:38:51,875 --> 00:38:54,745
That's what NOSTR enables and

714
00:38:54,801 --> 00:38:55,161
Awesome.

715
00:38:55,209 --> 00:38:56,121
Thanks so much Josh.

716
00:38:56,169 --> 00:38:58,089
Always a pleasure being on.

717
00:38:58,193 --> 00:39:00,777
Love your interviews and

718
00:39:00,817 --> 00:39:04,265
aspects of the Bitcoin and now

719
00:39:04,321 --> 00:39:08,329
So yeah, feel free to reach

720
00:39:08,353 --> 00:39:13,257
on noster nos fabrica.com to

721
00:39:13,297 --> 00:39:16,489
getting involved and then

722
00:39:16,513 --> 00:39:19,241
If you have any interest in

723
00:39:19,249 --> 00:39:21,165
your business, love to chat.

724
00:39:21,261 --> 00:39:24,173
Walking all sorts of

725
00:39:24,245 --> 00:39:26,045
knowing can be different for

726
00:39:26,101 --> 00:39:30,013
But we're all hopping onto

727
00:39:30,045 --> 00:39:32,157
open and decentralized.

728
00:39:32,317 --> 00:39:35,709
So happy to help you along

729
00:39:35,813 --> 00:39:36,125
Great.

730
00:39:36,181 --> 00:39:37,437
John, thank you so much for

731
00:39:37,477 --> 00:39:38,285
It's been a pleasure.

732
00:39:38,381 --> 00:39:38,989
Thanks Josh.

733
00:39:39,053 --> 00:39:39,725
Take care.

734
00:39:39,861 --> 00:39:40,893
Well friends is a wrap.

735
00:39:40,925 --> 00:39:44,685
Thanks so much for listening

736
00:39:44,781 --> 00:39:45,181
Show.

737
00:39:45,269 --> 00:39:47,479
If you want to reach out to

738
00:39:47,503 --> 00:39:48,951
links down in the show notes.

739
00:39:48,999 --> 00:39:51,159
And if you're interested in

740
00:39:51,183 --> 00:39:54,295
of Nos Fabrica, definitely do

741
00:39:54,351 --> 00:39:55,447
Keep building, keep growing.

742
00:39:55,527 --> 00:39:58,447
Until next time, keep living