1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,424 When it comes to bitcoin, it 2 00:00:04,472 --> 00:00:06,952 of what we call in the 3 00:00:07,016 --> 00:00:09,048 You know, we know what we do. 4 00:00:09,184 --> 00:00:14,664 We know bitcoin is sound and 5 00:00:14,712 --> 00:00:18,840 to a point now that it works 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:19,192 scale. 7 00:00:19,256 --> 00:00:23,656 And I really feel like that's 8 00:00:23,768 --> 00:00:24,776 It's proven. 9 00:00:24,888 --> 00:00:28,440 It's proven to the point that 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,320 and all we're doing now is 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,708 So if somebody feels like 12 00:00:36,764 --> 00:00:37,316 not. 13 00:00:37,468 --> 00:00:42,388 You know, we're right where I 14 00:00:42,444 --> 00:00:43,652 ready for it to scale. 15 00:00:43,716 --> 00:00:48,068 And I'm so happy now that 16 00:00:48,164 --> 00:00:49,760 for payment for services. 17 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:57,412 Welcome to the Business 18 00:00:57,436 --> 00:01:01,172 The show dedicated to helping 19 00:01:01,196 --> 00:01:05,040 business with bitcoin, the 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,824 I'm your host, Josh Friedman, 21 00:01:07,872 --> 00:01:12,240 Roger Mochegemba, who heads up 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:12,880 Antonio. 23 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,040 Today we're going to be 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,272 the DPC model and accepting 25 00:01:18,336 --> 00:01:21,312 We're also going to be talking 26 00:01:21,336 --> 00:01:21,520 something. 27 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,824 He was the first physician at Teladoc. 28 00:01:23,872 --> 00:01:27,568 He was also an early adopter 29 00:01:27,624 --> 00:01:28,224 to bitcoin. 30 00:01:28,272 --> 00:01:29,664 We're going to get to our 31 00:01:29,712 --> 00:01:31,540 Roger right after this. 32 00:01:48,883 --> 00:01:49,307 Dr. 33 00:01:49,355 --> 00:01:51,083 Roger, welcome to the podcast. 34 00:01:51,243 --> 00:01:52,251 I'm glad to be here. 35 00:01:52,307 --> 00:01:53,579 Thanks for inviting me. 36 00:01:53,731 --> 00:01:56,331 So I'd like to start off every 37 00:01:56,347 --> 00:01:59,275 that help us to get to know 38 00:01:59,299 --> 00:02:00,683 us some insight for our own lives. 39 00:02:00,723 --> 00:02:01,787 Are you ready for these? 40 00:02:01,955 --> 00:02:02,703 Yes. 41 00:02:03,283 --> 00:02:04,811 Question number one is this. 42 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:07,343 When and how did you first 43 00:02:07,683 --> 00:02:13,051 Well, actually, I first heard 44 00:02:13,107 --> 00:02:14,171 living in Utah. 45 00:02:14,267 --> 00:02:14,811 My. 46 00:02:14,947 --> 00:02:25,115 My neighbor told me about it, 47 00:02:25,139 --> 00:02:25,323 there. 48 00:02:25,363 --> 00:02:28,251 And I never really got 49 00:02:28,387 --> 00:02:29,147 I just wasn't. 50 00:02:29,195 --> 00:02:31,223 It just wasn't time for me then. 51 00:02:32,723 --> 00:02:38,507 And so then last year, a 52 00:02:38,555 --> 00:02:41,757 me about stuff he was doing 53 00:02:41,805 --> 00:02:44,349 And then I, I. 54 00:02:44,421 --> 00:02:46,713 My interest peaked at that time. 55 00:02:47,173 --> 00:02:56,113 And then I got an email from 56 00:02:56,773 --> 00:03:01,965 telling me how I could 57 00:03:02,109 --> 00:03:05,549 So that's how I got started 58 00:03:05,581 --> 00:03:07,733 That's how I heard about it 59 00:03:07,893 --> 00:03:11,749 Question number two is what's 60 00:03:11,781 --> 00:03:13,833 that you wish everyone understood? 61 00:03:15,213 --> 00:03:22,181 I wish that everybody 62 00:03:22,277 --> 00:03:24,725 and it's not just something to 63 00:03:24,829 --> 00:03:32,513 And most importantly is, it's, 64 00:03:33,053 --> 00:03:41,003 and that kind of makes it 65 00:03:42,303 --> 00:03:47,111 So that's, I think we'll talk 66 00:03:47,167 --> 00:03:51,643 I really like that because it 67 00:03:53,023 --> 00:03:56,055 Now question number three is 68 00:03:56,079 --> 00:03:57,923 most recommend to other people? 69 00:03:58,863 --> 00:04:04,941 I really like the Seventh 70 00:04:05,117 --> 00:04:11,549 That was the perfect book for 71 00:04:11,701 --> 00:04:17,501 about how our monetary systems 72 00:04:17,597 --> 00:04:24,573 And then it goes, it shows 73 00:04:24,653 --> 00:04:29,433 centralized banking and how 74 00:04:29,763 --> 00:04:39,275 And there's patterns that he 75 00:04:39,339 --> 00:04:40,543 through the ages. 76 00:04:40,963 --> 00:04:48,619 And then he does a very good 77 00:04:48,651 --> 00:04:51,099 still pretty new to Bitcoin 78 00:04:51,251 --> 00:04:56,203 He goes into as much technical 79 00:04:56,243 --> 00:04:56,587 want. 80 00:04:56,675 --> 00:04:58,143 It's pretty technical. 81 00:04:59,923 --> 00:05:03,083 So that's why I really like 82 00:05:04,143 --> 00:05:06,727 Question number four is beyond Bitcoin. 83 00:05:06,775 --> 00:05:08,919 What's a resource, tool or idea? 84 00:05:09,031 --> 00:05:11,523 This has been helpful to you 85 00:05:13,263 --> 00:05:22,923 That the idea of this, this 86 00:05:23,823 --> 00:05:29,893 I'm a doctor obviously and 87 00:05:29,973 --> 00:05:37,269 for me stepping away from the 88 00:05:37,341 --> 00:05:43,333 insurance and dealing directly 89 00:05:43,413 --> 00:05:45,953 primary care or direct pay. 90 00:05:47,853 --> 00:05:52,517 So I, I talk to business 91 00:05:52,565 --> 00:05:57,679 with the high cost of health 92 00:05:57,871 --> 00:06:04,015 And I tell them how this model 93 00:06:04,039 --> 00:06:07,823 show them how this model can 94 00:06:07,863 --> 00:06:12,639 spend and provide affordable 95 00:06:12,751 --> 00:06:16,831 So that's made a great big 96 00:06:16,887 --> 00:06:21,561 also in my career, the way I practice. 97 00:06:21,737 --> 00:06:24,697 Now we have our final, what we 98 00:06:24,745 --> 00:06:25,897 question and it's this. 99 00:06:25,985 --> 00:06:30,133 As a general life principle, 100 00:06:30,433 --> 00:06:35,209 You know, I think the, the 101 00:06:35,321 --> 00:06:35,993 questions. 102 00:06:36,073 --> 00:06:42,473 So why or why not in my mind 103 00:06:42,513 --> 00:06:43,225 or that one. 104 00:06:43,329 --> 00:06:49,185 But the most important thing 105 00:06:49,209 --> 00:06:50,321 you're asking. 106 00:06:50,497 --> 00:06:56,273 I firmly Believe that things 107 00:06:56,393 --> 00:06:58,305 You know, you'll find answers. 108 00:06:58,369 --> 00:07:02,173 You know Scripture says seek 109 00:07:02,873 --> 00:07:08,413 I firmly believe that when a 110 00:07:08,713 --> 00:07:13,169 looking in their environment, 111 00:07:13,241 --> 00:07:17,903 talking to people, they'll get 112 00:07:18,563 --> 00:07:19,627 That's a great answer. 113 00:07:19,755 --> 00:07:23,227 I don't think we've ever had 114 00:07:23,315 --> 00:07:26,507 but I think it's a good word, 115 00:09:32,649 --> 00:09:33,193 Well, Dr. 116 00:09:33,225 --> 00:09:36,873 Roger, we're here today to 117 00:09:36,905 --> 00:09:38,425 recently begun accepting Bitcoin. 118 00:09:38,521 --> 00:09:41,977 You've just introduced the 119 00:09:42,017 --> 00:09:43,353 your previous answers. 120 00:09:43,465 --> 00:09:47,065 We've had one other, I think 121 00:09:47,121 --> 00:09:50,953 physician before and some 122 00:09:51,145 --> 00:09:55,097 But I love the concept and I 123 00:09:55,177 --> 00:09:58,857 a little bit about how you got 124 00:09:58,897 --> 00:10:02,969 and some of the strengths 125 00:10:02,993 --> 00:10:05,597 the business side, but also 126 00:10:06,017 --> 00:10:06,521 Great. 127 00:10:06,609 --> 00:10:06,921 Yeah. 128 00:10:06,969 --> 00:10:12,329 I was living in Utah and I 129 00:10:12,513 --> 00:10:14,393 there that was a hybrid. 130 00:10:14,425 --> 00:10:17,401 They were doing insurance, but 131 00:10:17,449 --> 00:10:17,705 care. 132 00:10:17,761 --> 00:10:23,701 And I thought, oh my gosh, how 133 00:10:23,749 --> 00:10:28,325 people that are paying me 134 00:10:28,381 --> 00:10:29,253 that with this clinic. 135 00:10:29,285 --> 00:10:31,977 And I thought, wow, this is amazing. 136 00:10:32,797 --> 00:10:41,685 And so I came across a guy 137 00:10:41,741 --> 00:10:45,653 model and I said, hey, well, I 138 00:10:45,765 --> 00:10:49,583 So I, I started working with 139 00:10:49,655 --> 00:10:55,503 And make a long story short, 140 00:10:55,575 --> 00:11:00,191 The, with working with him, 141 00:11:00,239 --> 00:11:01,583 myself in San Antonio. 142 00:11:01,615 --> 00:11:03,311 And it's called Direct Med Clinic. 143 00:11:03,439 --> 00:11:06,783 And as far as I know, it's the 144 00:11:06,815 --> 00:11:08,147 in San Antonio. 145 00:11:08,727 --> 00:11:17,301 And it's been so refreshing, 146 00:11:17,349 --> 00:11:17,813 this way. 147 00:11:17,885 --> 00:11:27,893 And it's so rewarding to get 148 00:11:27,925 --> 00:11:31,605 me like, I'm so glad you're 149 00:11:31,701 --> 00:11:33,061 I wouldn't have anything. 150 00:11:33,189 --> 00:11:40,737 And it's rewarding to see 151 00:11:41,067 --> 00:11:49,539 I know they need rather than 152 00:11:49,603 --> 00:11:57,971 or conditioned to just provide 153 00:11:58,019 --> 00:12:01,459 for, you know, working with 154 00:12:01,643 --> 00:12:07,877 And I, I saw this so much 155 00:12:07,917 --> 00:12:16,617 to treat people the way my 156 00:12:17,037 --> 00:12:20,821 were, were telling me they 157 00:12:20,869 --> 00:12:22,149 And people responded to that. 158 00:12:22,173 --> 00:12:24,853 And many people told me, like, 159 00:12:24,925 --> 00:12:27,829 For saving my life, thank you 160 00:12:27,853 --> 00:12:30,229 parents, you know, so that's. 161 00:12:30,293 --> 00:12:33,725 That was so rewarding to do that. 162 00:12:33,781 --> 00:12:39,133 And now we have other things 163 00:12:39,205 --> 00:12:45,497 people that aren't reimbursed 164 00:12:46,757 --> 00:12:49,101 So I kind of forgot the question. 165 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:50,653 Did I answer the question? 166 00:12:50,805 --> 00:12:53,117 I got kind of on my soapbox a 167 00:12:53,237 --> 00:12:56,717 Yeah, I think you answered the 168 00:12:56,757 --> 00:12:56,957 the. 169 00:12:56,997 --> 00:13:00,541 What are some of the benefits 170 00:13:00,629 --> 00:13:01,213 model goes? 171 00:13:01,245 --> 00:13:04,045 You know, you've just talked 172 00:13:04,101 --> 00:13:07,797 practice medicine, how you 173 00:13:08,577 --> 00:13:11,929 what does the financial side 174 00:13:11,953 --> 00:13:12,985 conventional model? 175 00:13:13,081 --> 00:13:17,945 We don't have a waiting room 176 00:13:18,081 --> 00:13:23,769 We get to spend time with our 177 00:13:23,793 --> 00:13:24,597 know them. 178 00:13:25,537 --> 00:13:30,697 Doctors in primary care might 179 00:13:30,737 --> 00:13:32,281 or 4,000 patients. 180 00:13:32,409 --> 00:13:35,065 Ours is under a thousand usually. 181 00:13:35,161 --> 00:13:37,653 So we spend time and then the. 182 00:13:37,805 --> 00:13:46,069 Financially, we don't have to 183 00:13:46,093 --> 00:13:50,657 insurance companies all the 184 00:13:51,117 --> 00:13:56,577 So we don't need that expense 185 00:13:57,037 --> 00:14:02,693 And what patients pay us pays 186 00:14:02,725 --> 00:14:07,597 And it provides a nice 187 00:14:07,637 --> 00:14:08,217 us. 188 00:14:08,677 --> 00:14:11,165 So one of the interesting 189 00:14:11,301 --> 00:14:15,933 is that at least all of the 190 00:14:16,005 --> 00:14:18,237 basically a monthly retainer. 191 00:14:18,317 --> 00:14:21,117 You kind of pay a certain 192 00:14:21,197 --> 00:14:25,901 You might have some additional 193 00:14:26,069 --> 00:14:29,469 That model makes so much more 194 00:14:29,493 --> 00:14:31,581 to paying for things on a 195 00:14:31,669 --> 00:14:35,005 Now, I will admit that paying 196 00:14:35,021 --> 00:14:39,011 to just paying one time is a 197 00:14:39,099 --> 00:14:42,371 it's upfront and clear as 198 00:14:42,419 --> 00:14:46,371 companies where a lot of the 199 00:14:46,379 --> 00:14:48,531 hard to really get down to the 200 00:14:48,699 --> 00:14:53,315 So is that a pretty, pretty 201 00:14:53,371 --> 00:14:56,467 you, or are there some 202 00:14:56,627 --> 00:14:58,967 for your patients? 203 00:15:00,107 --> 00:15:01,859 That's a great, great point. 204 00:15:01,963 --> 00:15:06,033 And we try to be very, very transparent. 205 00:15:06,145 --> 00:15:10,401 All of our prices are listed 206 00:15:10,529 --> 00:15:17,137 comes in and they need labs or 207 00:15:17,177 --> 00:15:19,345 of service what it's going to cost. 208 00:15:19,481 --> 00:15:26,513 You know, a clinic can 209 00:15:26,585 --> 00:15:27,953 pricing or discount pricing. 210 00:15:27,985 --> 00:15:33,265 Because we're a clinic and my 211 00:15:33,401 --> 00:15:35,969 imaging facilities in the area. 212 00:15:36,073 --> 00:15:39,761 So we get direct cash pay 213 00:15:39,849 --> 00:15:44,721 So imagine this if you're a 214 00:15:44,729 --> 00:15:46,961 the doc and he says, well, I 215 00:15:47,009 --> 00:15:47,877 X ray. 216 00:15:48,617 --> 00:15:54,033 Go up to the front desk and 217 00:15:54,105 --> 00:16:00,171 desk our patients will pay 50 218 00:16:00,219 --> 00:16:01,467 X ray right there. 219 00:16:01,507 --> 00:16:05,527 And then they go get the, the 220 00:16:05,827 --> 00:16:08,443 So it's upfront and it's transparent. 221 00:16:08,555 --> 00:16:13,547 If someone needs labs, like 222 00:16:13,587 --> 00:16:17,927 people, the routine labs might 223 00:16:19,267 --> 00:16:23,607 Then if somebody tries to go 224 00:16:23,747 --> 00:16:27,267 set of labs might be 100 or $200. 225 00:16:29,047 --> 00:16:31,247 So how, how cool is that? 226 00:16:31,287 --> 00:16:35,023 You know, that as a patient, 227 00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:35,707 you. 228 00:16:37,047 --> 00:16:39,279 So it's, it's a wonderful 229 00:16:39,383 --> 00:16:45,615 I, I'm so passionate about the 230 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:51,369 that a couple of years ago I 231 00:16:51,393 --> 00:16:55,401 Texas to a special committee 232 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:57,785 need insurance for primary care. 233 00:16:57,921 --> 00:17:00,793 Because I'm proving, I'm proof 234 00:17:00,905 --> 00:17:05,225 You know, it's affordable and 235 00:17:05,321 --> 00:17:10,957 People can reach us same day 236 00:17:11,937 --> 00:17:16,913 They can text us after hours visits. 237 00:17:17,105 --> 00:17:21,553 If they need us, we'll do a 238 00:17:21,585 --> 00:17:22,513 text them. 239 00:17:22,665 --> 00:17:26,337 Our goal is to keep people out 240 00:17:26,417 --> 00:17:29,281 room so they have access to us. 241 00:17:29,449 --> 00:17:32,785 How realistic is it to have no insurance? 242 00:17:32,881 --> 00:17:35,825 Like you've just said, direct 243 00:17:35,881 --> 00:17:36,753 insurance. 244 00:17:36,945 --> 00:17:42,033 How realistic is it to have a 245 00:17:42,105 --> 00:17:47,645 primary care and maybe health 246 00:17:47,781 --> 00:17:51,597 such as crowd health, as 247 00:17:51,637 --> 00:17:55,421 a more conventional approach 248 00:17:55,469 --> 00:17:56,317 every step of the way. 249 00:17:56,357 --> 00:18:00,765 Is that realistic for an 250 00:18:00,901 --> 00:18:05,357 or are there reasons why it 251 00:18:05,477 --> 00:18:07,357 That's a great question, Josh. 252 00:18:07,437 --> 00:18:13,421 And it is realistic in order 253 00:18:13,509 --> 00:18:14,137 Right. 254 00:18:14,537 --> 00:18:21,681 I think that we need to take a 255 00:18:21,729 --> 00:18:22,369 to do. 256 00:18:22,473 --> 00:18:26,833 It's designed to take care of 257 00:18:26,865 --> 00:18:30,257 going to break the bank if, if 258 00:18:30,297 --> 00:18:35,425 You know, for example, if we 259 00:18:35,481 --> 00:18:40,397 cancer, well, we all need to 260 00:18:40,737 --> 00:18:43,353 That's insurance that will 261 00:18:43,425 --> 00:18:46,437 That's what insurance was 262 00:18:47,777 --> 00:18:53,289 Health care insurance has 263 00:18:53,353 --> 00:18:57,609 You know, we don't need it for 264 00:18:57,673 --> 00:19:06,089 need our car insurance to pay 265 00:19:06,153 --> 00:19:08,777 You know, it's, it's the same concept. 266 00:19:08,937 --> 00:19:14,087 And so there are other models 267 00:19:14,947 --> 00:19:20,587 can be used to keep the cost 268 00:19:20,667 --> 00:19:21,659 more affordable. 269 00:19:21,803 --> 00:19:26,075 One of the things that we 270 00:19:26,171 --> 00:19:30,955 is that you found yourself 271 00:19:31,091 --> 00:19:33,035 And I'd be interested to hear about. 272 00:19:33,171 --> 00:19:37,787 First of all, now that bitcoin 273 00:19:37,907 --> 00:19:40,849 It's been over and it's been 274 00:19:40,873 --> 00:19:42,145 comes out, it might be over again. 275 00:19:42,201 --> 00:19:45,249 But, you know, in the $100,000 276 00:19:45,273 --> 00:19:46,677 they're late to bitcoin. 277 00:19:47,017 --> 00:19:51,281 Could you talk about kind of 278 00:19:51,369 --> 00:19:54,529 bitcoin, and how that has been 279 00:19:54,633 --> 00:20:01,105 Yeah, I, I love finding ways 280 00:20:01,161 --> 00:20:04,801 And I think because of that, 281 00:20:04,849 --> 00:20:08,055 that I've been able to help 282 00:20:08,191 --> 00:20:11,111 One of them was a company 283 00:20:11,239 --> 00:20:15,863 I was the first doctor doing 284 00:20:15,935 --> 00:20:19,879 of the physician association 285 00:20:19,903 --> 00:20:20,999 nationwide network. 286 00:20:21,103 --> 00:20:24,215 And I, I knew what I could do. 287 00:20:24,271 --> 00:20:30,215 I knew I was competent and 288 00:20:30,271 --> 00:20:32,103 take care of people that way. 289 00:20:32,175 --> 00:20:37,835 And I, I knew what, what I 290 00:20:37,891 --> 00:20:42,427 I knew if someone could have a 291 00:20:42,467 --> 00:20:47,019 wouldn't let that happen, you 292 00:20:47,043 --> 00:20:49,407 tool for a trained doctor. 293 00:20:50,147 --> 00:20:54,139 So I was, I feel really 294 00:20:54,243 --> 00:21:00,007 that and had no bad outcomes 295 00:21:01,347 --> 00:21:04,059 And then direct primary care 296 00:21:04,083 --> 00:21:06,059 I feel so fortunate to have 297 00:21:06,083 --> 00:21:11,691 I wish I would have found it 298 00:21:11,779 --> 00:21:18,955 then when it comes to bitcoin, 299 00:21:19,011 --> 00:21:21,899 concept of what we call in the 300 00:21:21,963 --> 00:21:25,127 You know, we, we know what we do. 301 00:21:25,427 --> 00:21:31,779 We know bitcoin is, is sound 302 00:21:31,923 --> 00:21:36,947 to a point now that it works 303 00:21:36,987 --> 00:21:38,019 just needs to scale. 304 00:21:38,083 --> 00:21:43,207 And I, I really feel like 305 00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:48,051 It's proven, it's proven to 306 00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:52,435 has developed and all we're 307 00:21:52,531 --> 00:21:57,861 So if, if somebody feels like 308 00:21:58,029 --> 00:21:59,205 I think not. 309 00:21:59,341 --> 00:22:03,989 You know, we're, we're, we're 310 00:22:04,013 --> 00:22:07,189 be, you know, ready for it to scale. 311 00:22:07,253 --> 00:22:12,069 And I'm so happy now that 312 00:22:12,133 --> 00:22:13,733 for payment for services. 313 00:22:13,885 --> 00:22:17,717 And what is it that you use 314 00:22:17,797 --> 00:22:21,477 I'd be interested for you to 315 00:22:21,637 --> 00:22:25,627 how your clientele have 316 00:22:26,287 --> 00:22:32,887 Yeah, so we, we switched to a 317 00:22:32,927 --> 00:22:36,743 their credit card or they can, 318 00:22:36,775 --> 00:22:37,431 It's called Zap. 319 00:22:37,479 --> 00:22:38,067 Right. 320 00:22:38,687 --> 00:22:44,599 And so from there it goes into 321 00:22:44,623 --> 00:22:53,427 there I can move it into a 322 00:22:54,007 --> 00:23:01,327 So then I've not had a lot of 323 00:23:01,447 --> 00:23:05,919 yet, but I'm still trying to 324 00:23:05,943 --> 00:23:11,039 know people and share what we 325 00:23:11,063 --> 00:23:18,067 we do and educate people about 326 00:23:19,357 --> 00:23:20,297 Excellent. 327 00:23:20,797 --> 00:23:24,821 So one of the things that I 328 00:23:24,869 --> 00:23:29,237 kind of B2B relationships on 329 00:23:29,277 --> 00:23:30,501 my understanding is correct. 330 00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:32,737 I'd be interested to learn a 331 00:23:33,037 --> 00:23:35,365 we've talked about the peer to 332 00:23:35,381 --> 00:23:40,549 also just a benefit in giving 333 00:23:40,573 --> 00:23:41,957 this through their job. 334 00:23:42,077 --> 00:23:43,285 How does that work? 335 00:23:43,421 --> 00:23:47,553 And I guess is this something 336 00:23:47,585 --> 00:23:51,409 or is it, I'm guessing it's 337 00:23:51,433 --> 00:23:52,609 or, you know, working with families. 338 00:23:52,673 --> 00:23:55,329 But how does, how has this 339 00:23:55,513 --> 00:23:57,677 Yeah, it's been working very well. 340 00:23:58,537 --> 00:24:03,997 As, as I was growing up in my 341 00:24:04,697 --> 00:24:08,753 have interactions with a lot 342 00:24:08,825 --> 00:24:12,197 need from their clinic or from 343 00:24:12,717 --> 00:24:18,741 So as I started Direct Med 344 00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:19,541 to employers. 345 00:24:19,589 --> 00:24:25,621 And what I found was that 346 00:24:25,709 --> 00:24:33,109 people really struggle to find 347 00:24:33,133 --> 00:24:34,149 health care benefit. 348 00:24:34,213 --> 00:24:38,837 And sometimes they just go 349 00:24:38,877 --> 00:24:41,189 such a financial burden on them. 350 00:24:41,293 --> 00:24:49,173 So I, I tell them how we can 351 00:24:49,205 --> 00:24:50,149 with them. 352 00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:54,469 Like you, here's what a 353 00:24:54,653 --> 00:24:57,669 You buy these memberships for 354 00:24:57,693 --> 00:25:02,693 the benefits they get and I, I 355 00:25:02,765 --> 00:25:04,565 on their healthcare spend on that. 356 00:25:04,621 --> 00:25:10,207 And so these employers will 357 00:25:10,247 --> 00:25:12,799 of the memberships for their employees. 358 00:25:12,863 --> 00:25:14,427 It works really well. 359 00:25:15,607 --> 00:25:19,887 And yeah, I really, it just 360 00:25:19,927 --> 00:25:21,311 People have affordable access. 361 00:25:21,399 --> 00:25:25,919 And then another thing that we 362 00:25:25,943 --> 00:25:31,157 them access to 1100 generic 363 00:25:31,327 --> 00:25:32,077 Wow. 364 00:25:32,417 --> 00:25:34,617 So people love that. 365 00:25:34,737 --> 00:25:40,057 In Texas, unfortunately, 366 00:25:40,137 --> 00:25:41,529 medication out of the office. 367 00:25:41,633 --> 00:25:46,025 So this is in Texas for us, 368 00:25:46,161 --> 00:25:49,993 So one thing I always like to 369 00:25:50,025 --> 00:25:54,089 since optimally, doctors are 370 00:25:54,113 --> 00:25:57,465 what's happening in the 371 00:25:57,601 --> 00:26:00,985 Since we have you, and I know 372 00:26:01,081 --> 00:26:04,469 I'm curious to know your 373 00:26:04,613 --> 00:26:09,109 First of all, what's something 374 00:26:09,133 --> 00:26:15,077 there or strange that in the 375 00:26:15,117 --> 00:26:16,057 common sense? 376 00:26:16,477 --> 00:26:20,741 And then the next thing is, 377 00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:23,477 today that in the future we're 378 00:26:23,517 --> 00:26:24,977 I can't believe we did that. 379 00:26:26,477 --> 00:26:31,723 All right, so a couple of 380 00:26:31,795 --> 00:26:31,979 in. 381 00:26:32,003 --> 00:26:36,827 I've been amazed at what is 382 00:26:36,867 --> 00:26:37,835 some practices. 383 00:26:38,011 --> 00:26:42,287 One of them is PRP or platelet 384 00:26:43,107 --> 00:26:45,579 This is some amazing science. 385 00:26:45,723 --> 00:26:51,547 And the, the, the community, 386 00:26:51,587 --> 00:26:56,133 a little bit unsure about it, 387 00:26:56,275 --> 00:27:01,073 I think it's just a matter of 388 00:27:01,105 --> 00:27:01,917 it to. 389 00:27:02,857 --> 00:27:04,673 We need to have the right indications. 390 00:27:04,785 --> 00:27:09,377 In other words, we just have 391 00:27:09,417 --> 00:27:10,877 good outcomes with it. 392 00:27:11,657 --> 00:27:14,913 We've started to do that and 393 00:27:14,945 --> 00:27:20,449 not traditionally reimbursed 394 00:27:20,473 --> 00:27:24,657 it, it works and it, it 395 00:27:25,677 --> 00:27:30,437 So another one that I've come 396 00:27:30,517 --> 00:27:35,417 who started a practice 397 00:27:36,397 --> 00:27:41,205 So he told me some, some cases 398 00:27:41,221 --> 00:27:42,017 me away. 399 00:27:42,957 --> 00:27:47,685 So that's something that is, 400 00:27:47,821 --> 00:27:55,277 that I, I hope that we will 401 00:27:55,317 --> 00:28:00,537 and it'll, it'll be developed 402 00:28:00,917 --> 00:28:06,093 And then the other question 403 00:28:06,165 --> 00:28:08,537 and, and say, I can't believe 404 00:28:09,877 --> 00:28:16,681 I I think that I hope that 405 00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:20,237 I can't believe we were eating 406 00:28:24,177 --> 00:28:29,673 There's some foods out there 407 00:28:29,825 --> 00:28:32,121 Are there some things that you 408 00:28:32,129 --> 00:28:32,793 the foods? 409 00:28:32,905 --> 00:28:35,849 Obviously, there's maybe a 410 00:28:35,873 --> 00:28:40,041 shouldn't be eating that are 411 00:28:40,089 --> 00:28:40,649 for you. 412 00:28:40,753 --> 00:28:43,257 But are there certain things 413 00:28:43,297 --> 00:28:45,863 from at this point in time, 414 00:28:45,895 --> 00:28:46,599 eat these things. 415 00:28:46,703 --> 00:28:55,575 In general, the more whole 416 00:28:55,671 --> 00:28:56,935 foods, the better. 417 00:28:57,071 --> 00:28:58,871 There was another thing that I 418 00:28:58,959 --> 00:29:04,599 To mention is that one of the 419 00:29:04,623 --> 00:29:10,935 think why it resonates with me 420 00:29:10,991 --> 00:29:18,477 In my model of direct primary 421 00:29:22,417 --> 00:29:22,777 in. 422 00:29:22,817 --> 00:29:29,705 In our, in our centralized 423 00:29:29,841 --> 00:29:30,425 Right. 424 00:29:30,561 --> 00:29:31,337 It's. 425 00:29:31,497 --> 00:29:32,105 It's. 426 00:29:32,201 --> 00:29:35,689 There are these third parties 427 00:29:35,753 --> 00:29:42,985 system, like with, with the 428 00:29:43,041 --> 00:29:43,673 rates there. 429 00:29:43,745 --> 00:29:45,877 All of that is controlled by a. 430 00:29:46,467 --> 00:29:47,207 Right. 431 00:29:47,667 --> 00:29:52,411 So there's kind of a parallel 432 00:29:52,579 --> 00:30:01,179 I think that Bitcoin is to our 433 00:30:01,283 --> 00:30:05,767 direct pay and direct primary 434 00:30:07,027 --> 00:30:08,167 There's this. 435 00:30:09,507 --> 00:30:13,497 Healthcare has become very 436 00:30:15,317 --> 00:30:19,017 input from the government and 437 00:30:20,597 --> 00:30:25,297 The government has always 438 00:30:25,637 --> 00:30:31,277 but what they were mandating 439 00:30:31,357 --> 00:30:35,197 And there's a big difference 440 00:30:35,237 --> 00:30:36,685 and health insurance. 441 00:30:36,861 --> 00:30:39,177 By mandating that, they. 442 00:30:39,787 --> 00:30:45,587 They put in place this thing 443 00:30:45,627 --> 00:30:50,259 is part of the Affordable Care 444 00:30:50,403 --> 00:30:58,627 And it says that in small 445 00:30:58,667 --> 00:30:58,963 pay. 446 00:30:59,035 --> 00:31:03,987 They have to Pay, by law, 80% 447 00:31:04,147 --> 00:31:06,343 back to doctors and hospitals. 448 00:31:06,515 --> 00:31:09,867 In larger markets, they pay 449 00:31:10,167 --> 00:31:16,975 So if you are the insurance 450 00:31:17,111 --> 00:31:20,911 You make it on that 20% or on 451 00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:24,639 So if you want to make more 452 00:31:24,703 --> 00:31:26,107 low or high? 453 00:31:26,727 --> 00:31:27,791 You want it high. 454 00:31:27,879 --> 00:31:28,507 Right. 455 00:31:29,207 --> 00:31:37,519 So that's just an example of 456 00:31:37,583 --> 00:31:42,991 can kind of backfire and cause 457 00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:46,559 experience with the high cost 458 00:31:46,663 --> 00:31:50,223 So in the direct pay model, we 459 00:31:50,295 --> 00:31:52,239 See, it's. 460 00:31:52,383 --> 00:31:53,695 You are a patient. 461 00:31:53,791 --> 00:31:55,087 I'M a doctor. 462 00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:56,815 You have a sickness. 463 00:31:56,911 --> 00:31:58,431 I know how to treat that. 464 00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:04,261 And so there's this direct 465 00:32:04,309 --> 00:32:05,237 relationship. 466 00:32:05,397 --> 00:32:06,297 Okay. 467 00:32:07,117 --> 00:32:12,981 So I think that's part of the 468 00:32:13,149 --> 00:32:17,285 Bitcoin and the whole bitcoin 469 00:32:17,461 --> 00:32:17,813 Dr. 470 00:32:17,845 --> 00:32:20,741 Roger, I appreciate you 471 00:32:20,749 --> 00:32:23,765 are a lot of connections 472 00:32:23,781 --> 00:32:25,331 to peer payments with bitcoin. 473 00:32:25,469 --> 00:32:26,999 So I appreciate you 474 00:32:27,023 --> 00:32:28,983 Are there any final thoughts 475 00:32:29,015 --> 00:32:30,427 up today's interview? 476 00:32:30,927 --> 00:32:31,687 Yeah. 477 00:32:31,847 --> 00:32:38,327 I hope everybody will look 478 00:32:38,367 --> 00:32:39,467 own benefit. 479 00:32:39,887 --> 00:32:42,743 It's a wonderful way to 480 00:32:42,775 --> 00:32:43,591 with your doctor. 481 00:32:43,639 --> 00:32:47,431 And I want to thank you for 482 00:32:47,479 --> 00:32:49,479 and visit and share and where can. 483 00:32:49,503 --> 00:32:52,695 People go if they want to keep 484 00:32:52,711 --> 00:32:53,381 are doing? 485 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:53,961 That's. 486 00:32:54,009 --> 00:32:54,505 That's. 487 00:32:54,601 --> 00:32:56,489 Thank you for asking that. 488 00:32:56,673 --> 00:32:59,753 The name of the clinic is 489 00:32:59,785 --> 00:33:04,889 We're@directmedclinic.com and 490 00:33:04,913 --> 00:33:07,225 we do and direct primary care there. 491 00:33:07,281 --> 00:33:10,185 I'm also on LinkedIn, so you 492 00:33:10,241 --> 00:33:14,729 Feel free to reach out and 493 00:33:14,913 --> 00:33:15,305 Great. 494 00:33:15,361 --> 00:33:15,673 Dr. 495 00:33:15,705 --> 00:33:17,097 Roger, thank you so much for 496 00:33:17,137 --> 00:33:17,945 It's been a pleasure. 497 00:33:18,041 --> 00:33:19,517 Thank you, Josh. 498 00:33:19,937 --> 00:33:20,953 Well, friends, it's a wrap. 499 00:33:20,985 --> 00:33:24,585 Thanks so much for listening 500 00:33:24,681 --> 00:33:25,081 Show. 501 00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:26,761 If you want to reach out to 502 00:33:26,809 --> 00:33:29,209 Roger, you can find those 503 00:33:29,273 --> 00:33:32,489 And if the DPC model is 504 00:33:32,513 --> 00:33:34,041 if there's one in your area. 505 00:33:34,129 --> 00:33:37,497 As always, keep building, keep 506 00:33:37,537 --> 00:33:39,145 living and leading. 507 00:33:39,241 --> 00:33:39,377 Well.