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You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

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If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

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So it's all acting like safe haven.

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I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their

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currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

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I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin.

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If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

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W, welcome to the show. Thank you for joining me.

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Thanks for having me.

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I would be lying if I said you haven't been an incredibly positive influence on my life,

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particularly in the last year or two.

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I've been following you on X, necktie salvage,

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and you've even influenced me to buy more Oxfords,

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one of which I'm wearing today.

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fantastic I'm glad to hear that I'm always glad to hear that

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we have a mutual friend

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in Michael Goldstein

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as he's famously known as

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in the Bitcoin space

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he's been

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sharing your content with me

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telling me for years to follow you

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and really dig into what you're doing

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and I think the two of you

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and Michael and I have a shared appreciation

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for bringing back better aesthetics

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in the world and your focus is on

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making sure that men particularly

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dress well? Why is this so important to you? Well, you know, aesthetics matter, you know,

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so there's a couple of things here. First, I'm going to preempt the critique about aesthetics

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mattering. The critique is, well, listen, if you focus so much on aesthetics, you miss the moral

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concern, you miss the values, all that sort of stuff. And I understand where that's coming from.

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But what we need to understand is that when we focus on aesthetics, whether it's clothing

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or houses or whether it's design or anything, we aren't focusing on this in a materialistic way.

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We're not focusing on this in a flippant way. It's not a shallow way. It's about a deeper thing.

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It's about that which makes our lives better. It's about that which makes our lives more

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enjoyable to live. It's about that which reflects our values. It's about that which makes men and

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women, boys and girls, greater. And for clothing, all men wear clothing. We are not animals. We

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don't walk around naked. So every guy wears clothing, doesn't matter if you're rich, poor,

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somewhere in the middle, whatever, whatever you are doing, whatever job you're doing,

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you are wearing clothes, I guess, unless you're a lifeguard, they're not wearing clothes,

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but not many people are lifeguards. So you are wearing clothes. They have an impact on your life

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and you wear them 24 seven, you wear them all the time, unless you're taking a shower,

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you're wearing clothes, or sleeping, I guess, you're wearing clothes. And so these things are

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with you all the time, they impact us even more consistently than say architecture. Because if you

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don't like the way a building looks, you leave the building. Or you move from building to building,

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but your clothes follow you wherever you go. And so why I focus on clothes so much is that it is

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completely scalable. Essentially, every guy makes these choices every morning. Every guy is impacted

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by his clothes, whether he realizes it or not. And those clothes say something to himself and the

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world at the same time and it feels like particularly i would say so i'm a 90s child

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born in 91 34 right now so i feel like late 90s early 2000s you sort of had this transition

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to like pajama pants and walmart became normalized and slovenly looks became more normalized over

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the last two and a half three decades what do you think drove this and why why do you think

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people feel comfortable dressing poorly?

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That's a really good question.

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I mean, this is a really, really good question.

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It's really related to so much because think about this like a chicken and the egg scenario.

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You know, think about clothes.

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They impact the culture and then they're a reflection of the culture as well.

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They impact either an ascent or a descent in society and in one's life.

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And they also create it as well.

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So I think it's like a snowball falling down the hill.

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So why would it be in the past couple decades, and it's really increased recently, I mean, five years, past five, 10 years, it's gotten exceedingly bad, even in more formal jobs and occupations.

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Why would that be?

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I think we've seen just a broad degeneration culturally.

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We've seen a confusion culturally.

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We've seen a loss of clear mission and purpose civilizationally.

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and I think we see that reflected in our clothing.

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You know, the clothes make the state of man

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and they reflect the state of man.

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So as man, both as human and as man,

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the man versus the woman,

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have been degraded and downgraded in society and culture.

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So have clothes been degraded and downgraded

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in culture as well.

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And going back to chicken and egg descent,

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decent is it your belief that by picking the low-hanging fruit of simply dressing better

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you can begin to present better yourself and then create like a social awareness that creates a

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positive feedback loop to get us out of this negative one absolutely 100 i mean we all know

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something think about it with your think about your space if your space is super super messy

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if your room is a total hellhole if it looks just absolutely awful you're gonna kind of be

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scattered and he doesn't feel that good. You really don't. Nobody really feels better in a

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crazy messy place. Everybody feels a little better when it's clean.

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Every single guy I've met, I have never met a single guy ever

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who started putting on decent clothes and who said I didn't notice any

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difference in my mindset shift in how I approach my work and how I approach

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my day and how I thought about myself.

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Think about that. When you care about something, you prepare for it. Whether it's

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a test, whether it's a holiday, whether it's seeing family, whether it's a date, you know,

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if you're dating, whatever it is, you when you care about something, you prepare for it.

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And so without a doubt, when people make an active choice in cultivating, wearing something

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that makes them feel, it's a very simple language, feel good, feel better. And I mean good. I don't

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mean good. Like, yeah, it'd feel nice to lay in the hot tub all day and not work. That'd feel

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pretty good too. But it's not actually good. That's just being lazy. When people wear something

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that make them feel strong, competent, and confident, that trickles upward. They are strong,

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confident, and competent, and they act in that way. And it's, like I said, it's a choice that

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we make every day and every guy can make it there are what 400 million people in america it's

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people in america if everybody started dressing a little better that it rises things it really does

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there's this it not only in the appearance but also in the spirit and how you feel about what

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you're doing yeah and just thinking it does seem like the who knows if it's internet culture the

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combination of things but the reflection of what people are wearing on society what's reflecting

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what probably really doesn't matter but you've seen this sort of degradation and civility yeah

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oh yeah big time as well yeah this is this is such a good point i mean civility and manners are

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related to dressing absolutely you know i mean what are i mean think about this you see and this

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is tragic this is sad but nowadays it's people don't even dress up for funerals i know that

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sounds crazy and i know that maybe if you're listening to this you've been to a funeral people

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dressed up but i hear stories and people talk to me about stuff you know i do this for a living

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people tell me i went to a funeral and people were wearing crocs you know like like like really i

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mean so if you're not dressing up for that paying your respects literally i mean that's what you say

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i'm paying my respects if you're not even dressing for that what are you doing when you're just going

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anywhere going to the post office working going out to eat anywhere what does that say when you go

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to someone's house and you look like you were just sleeping don't really respect them and so

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we've seen that in the entire society every it's this lowering of respect this lowering of dignity

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and decency and civility without a doubt clothing is a form of manners it's like a physical form of

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manners without a doubt without a doubt yeah no my uh i guess my relationship to civility manners

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clothing. It's been a bit of a meandering past throughout my life. I'm from Philadelphia

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originally, but we moved to Charleston, South Carolina when I was younger, when I was about

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nine. We lived there for four years and a Northeast Philly kid getting dropped in Charleston,

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South Carolina with a weird accent and totally foreign and uncouth dialect.

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was for my mother made the wise decision of sending me to Cotillion

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right when we moved down there to learn basic manners

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and how to pronounce water correctly.

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It's something that I honestly still, even though it was Jesus

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I think I did two years at Cotillion, and the lessons I learned there about manners

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and how to act in public still reflect, I like to think, on what I do to this day.

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And I think I've become more passionate about this particular topic as I've gotten older,

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more particularly since I've had children.

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I've got two young boys, a third child on the way.

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Wonderful. Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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And looking at the boys and thinking about what type of example I'm trying to set for them,

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I think clothing is something that is becoming more obvious to me

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as my boys try to reflect what I'm doing.

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In terms of what they wear.

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And I think it's very important.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, yeah, this is all connected.

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This is all connected.

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And so many people that I work with and so many guys that follow me, read me, talk to me, they start thinking about this when they start having kids often.

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They start realizing, oh, my kids are going to look up to someone.

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You know, your kids, your boys and girls will learn from their mother and your boys will learn from you what a dad looks like.

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You know, I always think I remember my dad wearing my dad wasn't a clothes hound.

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You know, he wasn't buying tons of super expensive stuff.

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But he was just I mean, he was from a certain era where I mean, he would wear chinos, an Oxford shirt, maybe blazer, that kind of stuff to work.

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And when I remember being a kid, I had to simply have this memory.

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I remember thinking, well, that's how a dad looks.

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A dad looks like that.

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That's how a dad looks.

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Because that's what my dad wore.

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And now we're moving to this era where the dads don't even wear that.

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Because us, our dads are a little older.

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And they tend to dress a little bit better.

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But now we're moving to this era where a lot of guys aren't picking up that mantle.

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They're not showing their children or their boys how to dress like that.

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Or how to have manners.

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Or how to behave like little men who grow into big men.

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And we're seeing a real, it's connected to manners, just like you said, it's connecting to how to be a good man.

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It's connected to all this sort of stuff.

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And we're seeing a lot of problems there, to be honest with you.

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In terms of like fixing it, you mentioned your dad wasn't a clothes snob, but not dressed well.

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I think that's something that is, how would I describe it?

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It's a lazy excuse for dressing better.

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It's too expensive.

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You need a wide variety in the closet to do it well and to do it correctly.

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Is this true?

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No, not one bit.

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Okay, let me see.

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I'm going to pull up my watch here just to make a little demonstration.

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Let's see.

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Let's see.

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Take my watch here.

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So this watch is a very nice watch.

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It looks very, very, it's this beautiful 1990s Timex.

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When you wear this, you feel like Harrison Ford and the Fugitive.

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It's very, very cool.

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It's extremely classic.

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I mean, it's just, this is classic style right here.

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This was $19 on eBay.

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$19.

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It's from like 1994 or something before they did Indiglo.

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It still works.

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So that's not really expensive.

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It looks pretty nice.

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And same thing goes for, you know, I talked about, you can build a wardrobe.

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That's a super extreme example, but you can build a wardrobe from thrift.

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you can build a wardrobe just not from thrift but buying new pieces that are on sale a lot of people

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that build wardrobes from thrift i mean it's so possible when i say thrift i mean thrift store

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goodwill and ebay as well ebay is an insane source any guy who's into classic style actually i mean

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we're talking as cheap as you want even guys who have money will buy stuff on ebay because there

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are a lot of jackets that they don't make anymore you just cannot get them you know the meme that

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we don't know how to make it anymore that we don't know how to do it so you can buy brooks

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brothers jackets that i mean there are a few places make them but they're a thousand dollars

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new versus 75 on ebay and so that's being that's going used but even if you don't go used even if

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you go new you can there are places you can source shirts that are 50 bucks a little bit more that

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are going to last you a decade or a little less same thing for pants same thing for shoes that

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are 90 bucks that that is no no more expensive than whatever slop people are wearing but it's a

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it's a conscious choice.

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You make this conscious choice.

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If you have,

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if you have 50 K to spend on a wardrobe,

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you can spend that.

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If you've got one K to spend on a wardrobe,

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you can spend that too.

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And you can still look great.

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I guarantee.

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Let's,

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that's such an issue.

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This topic of quality,

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because that's something that does perturb me as well.

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Like I went to high school between 2005 and 2009.

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I went to a prep school.

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So I had to wear a jacket,

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shoes,

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all that.

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even since then, like 16 years since I graduated high school, it feels like you can't get the same

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quality jackets specifically. Like I've, I've been, I've gotten a couple of suits and jackets

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from suit supply. They look good, but the, the quality isn't that great. I mean, they degrade

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pretty quickly. That's exactly right. Like, like with the Brooks thing, you buy a, I have Brooks

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jackets that are from the sixties. I mean, that's, that's like 60 years old at this point. Yeah. I

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I have jackets that are 60 to 75 years old.

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65 years old, these jackets.

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They hold up

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just great They look basically brand new They don make them like they used to There is a big degradation in quality you know for polo shirts and guys wear polo shirts i always recommend honestly if someone like i gonna buy

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i want to buy like a fleet of polo shirts playing tennis or something like that um i honestly

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recommend going on ebay and buying an old pop a polaro floor and polo shirt from like 1995 or like

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2001 rather than a new one because it seriously is it's a better weave the fabric is literally

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better it's sewn better and it will last longer and so a big reason why people buy thrift is

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actually to remedy this problem of uh quality and if you do want to get good quality there are

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places to make good quality but the problem is that it's a premium now you know it's a real

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premium there are some places that thread the needle that do real good stuff i'm really happy

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with proper cloth i get a lot of stuff from them i have a partnership with them but again it's not

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super cheap i mean you're getting a custom shirt and it's 150 bucks so i mean that's not super

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cheap. But it's a problem. This quality is a problem. And this is why a lot of people do

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thrift. This is why I do thrift for a lot of stuff. It's because you can get better quality.

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Do you see the potential for that to reverse

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it all? Because there obviously has to be a spot in the market for more quality.

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It is frustrating. Absolutely. It's not like we forgot the technology.

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I mean, you can do it. You can build better stuff. You can make better stuff.

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There are good makers. You see people leading the way. You have to lead the way.

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Jack Donnelly, I love Jack Donnelly's pants.

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He makes these amazing, made in the USA, high-rise chinos.

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They're unbelievable.

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They're just hardcore, old-school, great.

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A little pricier, but you have to have people leading the front, leading the charge.

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You have to incentivize better quality that's not made in a cheap factory in China or wherever and make it in the USA is ideally better, I think.

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Yeah.

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yeah it's a how much does fast fashion and economic incentives have to do with this

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oh big time big time big time if you're only gonna if you're only gonna wear if something

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is only going to be in style for four months you build it for four months you make it last

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four months and you stitch it together with garbage thread and that's it but classic style

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timeless style traditional style you're supposed to wear it forever i mean you can wear it your

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entire life a navy blazer you get a nice navy blazer you can wear it for a decade really decades

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same thing for oxford shirts so they're designed to last a long time and so this reflects a different

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cultural sentiment different values you know people have crunched the numbers on this and

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seen how much people spent on clothes in the old days 30s or something like that they spent more

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per shirt and they had fewer shirts but they lasted longer i mean this is odd we all know this

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but people have really done the numbers on it, that that's just what it was.

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I've been told that taste is subjective, though.

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How could fashion be timeless?

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Right.

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The way I put it is this.

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So let's think about it this way.

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There are different style worlds.

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So because I run into this a lot.

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For example, there's an Italian style.

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There's different schools.

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If we talk about classic style, when I say classic style, let's break it all.

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Let's go all the way back down.

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classic style in an american sense and in a western sense in the most broad terms imaginable

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are it's a pair of shoes with a pair of pants a shirt and a jacket over it and possibly something

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around your neck that is something that's a formula that has been in the western canon for

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centuries really that that is a very now it's changed you know at different times it was more

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it was loose around here. You know, it was bigger on here at different times. It was smaller

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in a very micro sense. We saw there, there were errors where ties got skinny, you know,

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like the mid century, then they got wider, then they got skinnier again, they go back and forth.

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And when it comes to that stuff, if you stay around, this is a little insider baseball,

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but if you keep your, uh, tie at the widest point, if you buy ties that are around 3.25 inches at the

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widest point, you'll be right in the middle and you'll basically never be super cool or super out

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style you'll be right up the gut right in the middle but this general thing shoes pants a shirt

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jacket and maybe something on your neck this is the formula that has been in the western canon for

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centuries and so what i focus on and what i deal with in sorry i should say one other thing there

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are various schools like the italian school french school english school these have different

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styles they have different little details that are different in terms of their neckwear their shirts

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It's what you do and you do not do.

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But what I focus on is American style and classic American style, modern American style, meaning in the 20th century.

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Since, you know, after we're getting into the early 1900s and moving forward to today.

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And that is Ivy style and preppy style is basically the heart and core of that.

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And that has essentially a set of not necessarily rules, but a presumption of how man looks best.

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And so that timeless style taps into those centuries old format that I described within its own niche of American rules and guidelines and sensibilities.

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Yeah.

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Makes sense.

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Yeah, it does. And it's funny, you mentioned architecture earlier, and that's part of the reason, not part of the reason, but again, being from Philly, we recently moved back to the Philadelphia area from Texas.

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And no matter where I went, I lived in South Carolina, beautiful architecture, Chicago, beautiful architecture, New York, beautiful architecture.

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But there's something about the stone builds in the Philadelphia area that really beckon to me.

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And that is timeless.

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Like these are centuries old houses.

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And they're authentically American too.

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You feel that American sensibility, you know, they're timeless.

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There is this Americanness.

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A very American thing is the button down collar is a very American thing.

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British will do it too.

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And other places will do it too.

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But it is a distinctly, it really has come to embody something about American style, the

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Oxford cloth button down, the OCBD and specifically a tie with this.

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You know, a lot of times the Europeans, they don't do that.

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They say you don't wear a tie with a button-down collar.

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But in America, that's like a hot dog on the 4th of July, you know, wearing a tie with a button-down collar.

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And this is an interesting thing where it is classic in the American sense and is authentically American.

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What do you say to people who try to besmirch the comfortableness of dressing well?

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It's not comfortable.

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It's a lie.

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It's a total lie.

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This is the problem.

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This is the problem.

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I understand where they're coming from with that.

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this is largely born from the slim fit era.

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So most of the guys,

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so I'll address two things.

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I assume this is coming from guys first.

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So I'll address it coming from guys.

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They are a legitimate gripe that they may be having.

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And I'll tell you about the illegitimate gripe second,

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but legitimate gripe is the slim fit era did stink for comfortability.

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It really did stink.

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You know,

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you had the something that was kind of a little in the early to that,

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maybe 2008 ish,

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seven ish.

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I mean, people can like quibble back and forth about the exact times, but it started dying out maybe two years ago.

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And so we are on the downswing of it.

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Some people are still doing it because they aren't aware of where we're moving, but we're dying away from it.

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And the slim fit area, you had shirts that were just super tight.

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The pants were super tight.

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The suits were really undersized.

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You know, people could barely even button their jacket.

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I mean, barely button their jacket.

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And that was what looked good was this really ultra slim thing.

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it's very uncomfortable it's extremely uncomfortable i mean on the thighs you sit

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down it's just rip on your skin you know it's not it's not comfortable and so that is a legitimate

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gripe that is not comfortable stuff to wear and so if you're wearing clothes that are too small

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it's not uncomfortable the illegitimate gripe is that a lot of guys just sort of have like a fetish

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with comfort they're just sort of whiners to you know they're just whining about anything that is

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that is not a pair of fleece pajama pants or whatever they're made of in a hoodie.

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And I'm not going to argue with them and tell you that,

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tell them that a five-year-old pair of tacky chinos and a 10-year-old Oxford shirt

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that's been worn in that feels super soft is more comfortable than what they're wearing.

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Because that might be a subjective argument.

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But I would say comfort is not what you should worship.

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And there is this sort of turning comfort into an idol.

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Yeah, it can become gluttonous at a point, right?

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For sure.

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Exactly.

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Absolutely.

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It's like sitting in the hot tub.

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I would love to sit in the hot tub all day and just respond on my phone to work.

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But what is that?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I succumb to it, too.

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In the mid-2010s, living in New York, trying to work in tech.

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I think tech really drove that leisurely look at the workplace.

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For sure.

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praise that's taken over and i don't know i feel better now that i'm beginning to and it's simple

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the small acts i've taken is like try to wear a shirt with a collar or or an oxford just

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especially during the summer down here like even on the beach it's like my beach shirts are either

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like an oxford or a golf shirt yeah these days it's just simple thing so simple so easy it's no

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more difficult it's no more difficult to do that and what would you say to people like i'm saying

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that in the back of my head i'm thinking i got i hope i don't sound like a snob to people and i

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think that's another sort of factor in this acceptance of leisure wear becoming normalized

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is i think partly driven by woke culture which had this northeast prep aesthetic in squarely

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in the bullseye of the target that that is culturally for for many decades and i think

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there's just this um attempt to the avoid that aesthetic because you don't want to be put in

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in the middle of the boys a bullseye of the target of the social sort of ire that will culture has

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really really been driving absolutely 100 this is that the style i focus on is literally that exact

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style you know ivy prep i'm that is american style you know that is you know i always say

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what is it um the the 20th century american man was made in the image of brooks brothers

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and then for florin ralph florin worked at brooks brothers so all this flows down from there

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um and from the prep schools as well jay price is another one but really brooks brothers was

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20th century man was made in the image of brooks brothers and so this woke culture absolutely

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targets, I mean, that is right in the heart of it, because it is American style, it is authentic

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American style. And it is this, it has a decided history in America, a clear history, it's not just

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a commercial phenomenon. And it is also beyond just the historical stuff, what does and beyond

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it just being American, and being Western, it's also makes men strong. You know, what culture

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wants us all to be extremely weak, ultimately, you know, it's a victim thing. It's a weak thing.

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It wants to make everyone blend together. You know, athleisure is androgynous clothing,

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really, you know, a man wearing a tie and a woman wearing heels. I mean, those are the thing I love

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about the tie and the heels, or the jacket and the dress is that they are these extreme things

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that really embody or are a reflection of their being a man or being a man or being a woman.

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And so when you take those things away, you flatten everyone into Crocs like idiocracy and then everybody into the pajama pants.

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It is instead of exacerbating the forms of man and woman, it tries to form them together.

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And so you see this lessening of the forms of man and woman.

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And that is also a really deep problem of woke culture.

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That's what they go after.

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They really want to destroy all those forms.

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yeah well let's dive into the necktie specifically i mean it's part of your

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your handle on x salvaged why why is the necktie worth salvaging so it's really funny so the name

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necktie salvage actually came from when i first started talking about all this and everything

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originally what i would do with a lot of guys is i would tailor their neckties so they'd have

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these old neckties that are like at four inches at width the widest point down there and they

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would want to bring them in a little bit they don't bring them to 3.5 inches 3.25 inches and so

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i would tailor them because i do a lot of my own alterations of tailoring as well so that's actually

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where the original name necktie salvage came from was literally salvaging these old neckties

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but why is the necktie worth um yeah like it's a good idea i've got a tie right here okay so why

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i'm not wearing a tie right now because it is very hot in summer and summer is more casual season

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for me. I wear a tie basically probably in the winter, fall and spring, maybe 75, 80% of work

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days. But in the summer, I live in right on Lake Michigan, the town where I live. So it's kind of

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resorty. It's holiday. It's fun. So I'm a little more informal. But why is the necktie worth saving?

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First of all, it's something women don't wear. It is a male exclusive garment, really.

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And someone can say, I've seen a picture of a woman wearing it as a waitress in 1980.

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Yeah, I don't care.

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I'm not talking about that.

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It is a male garment.

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So it is a garment that is only ours.

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And a removal of that means the removal of something that is distinctly male.

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Another thing is, you know, the necktie is about personality.

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I mean, it's not only the fabric or the design.

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This is a 1990s Polaroid Florin.

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And I love these geometrics.

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They're just so 90s.

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It's hard to describe why that's so 90s, but it is.

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It's so good.

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And I love these.

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And beautiful silk, too.

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But what the necktie is also is it's a personal flair that isn't only based on the fabrics.

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It's not only based on the patterns.

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It's based on the fact that, you know, you tie it around.

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It is, in a certain sense, not utilitarian.

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You're not using it for anything.

441
00:29:32,623 --> 00:29:33,502
It doesn't serve a purpose.

442
00:29:33,763 --> 00:29:35,962
It's just to look like something.

443
00:29:36,182 --> 00:29:38,043
It's just for the aesthetic itself.

444
00:29:38,662 --> 00:29:39,862
And there's a joy in that.

445
00:29:40,023 --> 00:29:44,182
You know, there's a joy in I'm cultivating a personal style.

446
00:29:44,182 --> 00:29:49,102
I am looking a certain way and it doesn't have a purpose.

447
00:29:49,102 --> 00:29:53,102
And it's a domain of expression, even in how you tie it.

448
00:29:53,102 --> 00:30:03,525
You know guys like me who are kind of more into this sort of stuff will tie it all sorts of weird ways We tie it a little messy We tie the skinny end longer than the fat end And if you never like encountered that stuff you like what the heck

449
00:30:03,585 --> 00:30:04,105
That's wrong.

450
00:30:04,705 --> 00:30:12,065
But it has to do with this thing, Sprezzatura, where you're sort of intentionally doing things that are a little wrong, but not in such an obvious way.

451
00:30:12,185 --> 00:30:16,365
It's a whole thing to sort of, it's like a elegant sort of nonchalance.

452
00:30:16,365 --> 00:30:25,585
the point is the necktie is an aspect of personal style and fun and experience and our clothes have

453
00:30:25,585 --> 00:30:29,485
become very dour almost i mean if you look at it like the black or gray athleisure is very dour

454
00:30:29,485 --> 00:30:37,265
compared to someone wearing a tie with a striped shirt and a jacket yeah i must admit i've uh i've

455
00:30:37,265 --> 00:30:43,225
gotten away from the necktie outside of formal events in recent years and it's it is uh because

456
00:30:43,225 --> 00:30:45,725
another, going back to like routine, which you mentioned

457
00:30:45,725 --> 00:30:47,525
earlier, like being intentional to set your day.

458
00:30:47,925 --> 00:30:49,545
That's one thing, because the necktie

459
00:30:49,545 --> 00:30:51,485
like pop your collar, throw it

460
00:30:51,485 --> 00:30:53,685
around and you're looking in the mirror doing

461
00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:55,345
it and oftentimes

462
00:30:55,345 --> 00:30:57,605
before your jacket, the last thing you put on

463
00:30:57,605 --> 00:30:59,905
you step out and you're like having a conversation

464
00:30:59,905 --> 00:31:01,665
with yourself and visualizing

465
00:31:01,665 --> 00:31:02,965
manifesting potentially

466
00:31:02,965 --> 00:31:05,345
if you will, like part of that process

467
00:31:05,345 --> 00:31:07,745
and routine, I think

468
00:31:07,745 --> 00:31:09,665
is just good for

469
00:31:09,665 --> 00:31:11,605
developing that confidence and

470
00:31:11,605 --> 00:31:13,165
more importantly

471
00:31:13,165 --> 00:31:15,805
like having a conversation with yourself.

472
00:31:15,965 --> 00:31:17,485
I don't know if that's coming off weird, but.

473
00:31:17,805 --> 00:31:18,445
No, it isn't.

474
00:31:18,785 --> 00:31:20,125
It is not coming off weird at all.

475
00:31:20,225 --> 00:31:23,305
I mean, that routine in a way, getting ready,

476
00:31:23,465 --> 00:31:25,105
getting dressed as a man in that necktie,

477
00:31:25,245 --> 00:31:27,205
put it in the last thing you'd put on for your jacket.

478
00:31:27,765 --> 00:31:29,665
It's like a secular morning ritual.

479
00:31:30,145 --> 00:31:33,685
There's like a modern male secular, secular morning, morning ritual.

480
00:31:33,745 --> 00:31:35,365
And when I say modern, I'm not saying modern 2025.

481
00:31:35,365 --> 00:31:37,805
I'm saying modern and the modernist era, you know?

482
00:31:37,965 --> 00:31:40,305
So it's like, it is almost a secular morning ritual

483
00:31:40,305 --> 00:31:43,145
and you're preparing for your day.

484
00:31:43,165 --> 00:31:49,025
and there is something about the tighter it's tight there and then it explodes out essentially

485
00:31:49,025 --> 00:31:55,405
you know it's this tight knot and then it's loose and there's there's a certain element of strong

486
00:31:55,405 --> 00:32:01,725
preparation with it yeah what do you suggest people should read if they're interested about

487
00:32:01,725 --> 00:32:10,225
this outside of your sub stack but their books is there yeah sort of jumping off points for people

488
00:32:10,225 --> 00:32:16,305
who may listen to this be like i want to dig into this obviously read the sub stack necktie salvage

489
00:32:16,305 --> 00:32:22,825
and but are there books about this these topics yeah there is so there's a couple things so i'm

490
00:32:22,825 --> 00:32:27,305
actually working on two books right now gosh i have so much i'm doing and it's like i have all

491
00:32:27,305 --> 00:32:34,045
these books i'm i need to just do get one out but one of them is um essentially why do clothes matter

492
00:32:34,045 --> 00:32:39,085
you know just like why does this matter why does this matter the other one is basically like a very

493
00:32:39,085 --> 00:32:43,765
beginner's guide the idiot's guide kind of in a certain sense step one i'm building from the base

494
00:32:43,765 --> 00:32:48,025
up you know when we build our order we build like a pyramid and so i'm writing this book that it's

495
00:32:48,025 --> 00:32:52,785
just getting guys started this is what you need boom boom this is how you build it up but apart

496
00:32:52,785 --> 00:32:59,145
from that which will be coming out there for me in my my work apart from that there's something

497
00:32:59,145 --> 00:33:04,965
that would be good would be something like bruce boyer's true style um bruce boyer has a book true

498
00:33:04,965 --> 00:33:09,685
out and he it's very good it's american you know because a lot of these something that can be

499
00:33:09,685 --> 00:33:14,825
difficult with some of these books is they're either european which is totally okay but we it's

500
00:33:14,825 --> 00:33:17,485
like a different language you know french is a different language than english you know so

501
00:33:17,485 --> 00:33:24,005
they're just different languages and and or they're often a little formal just a little more

502
00:33:24,005 --> 00:33:31,345
formal which is cool but a lot of guys don't wear formal clothes every day and so what you really

503
00:33:31,345 --> 00:33:37,385
need or what we need, most guys need, is how do you start dressing with intention without

504
00:33:37,385 --> 00:33:38,125
wearing a suit every day?

505
00:33:39,025 --> 00:33:41,905
And so Bruce Boyer does err a little bit on the more formal side.

506
00:33:42,105 --> 00:33:42,945
So you're going to have that.

507
00:33:43,205 --> 00:33:46,245
And I'm trying to fill that gap when I come out with something.

508
00:33:47,085 --> 00:33:48,085
It'll fill that gap.

509
00:33:48,505 --> 00:33:52,585
But that's who I would recommend for an American is check out Bruce Boyer's true style.

510
00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:54,085
All right.

511
00:33:54,445 --> 00:33:55,385
I got to pick that up.

512
00:33:55,385 --> 00:33:56,025
It's good.

513
00:33:59,225 --> 00:34:00,745
What are your thoughts on Gen Z?

514
00:34:00,745 --> 00:34:07,845
Do you have hope for Gen Z in terms of increasing civility?

515
00:34:08,205 --> 00:34:11,585
And to be fair, I run another show.

516
00:34:11,845 --> 00:34:17,825
We had a Gen Z month where we noticed that our demographics of our audience trended.

517
00:34:17,945 --> 00:34:19,085
It's like 35 to 40.

518
00:34:19,605 --> 00:34:25,185
Our core demo is like 35 to 65-year-old males, and we have no Gen Zs watching us.

519
00:34:25,665 --> 00:34:28,445
And so we reached out to some in the Bitcoin space.

520
00:34:28,445 --> 00:34:30,445
We're like, come on, we need the Gen Z perspective.

521
00:34:31,265 --> 00:34:33,525
And it certainly did change my perspective.

522
00:34:33,705 --> 00:34:39,065
You obviously can't lump one generation and think that all of them act the same way,

523
00:34:39,165 --> 00:34:45,505
though they do have certain cultural sort of similarities to the era they grew up in.

524
00:34:45,845 --> 00:34:50,985
But to me, before that series and the good Gen Zers that we had on the show,

525
00:34:51,605 --> 00:34:55,625
the whole culture is just driven by the high-velocity trash economy,

526
00:34:55,625 --> 00:35:02,285
a streaming culture sort of supreme style street wear.

527
00:35:02,945 --> 00:35:03,125
Yeah.

528
00:35:03,645 --> 00:35:06,365
And not even, like a lot of them just wear sweatpants

529
00:35:06,365 --> 00:35:07,985
and sit at the computer and talk.

530
00:35:07,985 --> 00:35:12,645
And they have insane amounts of influence on their

531
00:35:12,645 --> 00:35:16,845
and other Gen Z individuals.

532
00:35:17,325 --> 00:35:20,065
And it's like, how do we turn the tide there?

533
00:35:20,905 --> 00:35:21,565
Is there a way?

534
00:35:22,325 --> 00:35:23,165
Really good question.

535
00:35:23,625 --> 00:35:24,725
It's a really, really good question.

536
00:35:25,625 --> 00:35:30,045
this is, I know the zoomers, I can't get a handle on the zoomers.

537
00:35:30,365 --> 00:35:33,425
You know, I hope for the zoomers. I want the zoomers.

538
00:35:33,425 --> 00:35:35,405
Cause the zoomers are the future. We've got the zoomers.

539
00:35:35,465 --> 00:35:37,325
We've got them a living, you know, they're the future.

540
00:35:38,005 --> 00:35:41,725
I know a couple of good zoomers, a couple of good zoomers and they're great.

541
00:35:41,865 --> 00:35:44,045
They're super, super great, but I know they're unique.

542
00:35:44,305 --> 00:35:47,745
I know they're very unique for the mass,

543
00:35:47,945 --> 00:35:50,645
mass amount of zoomers.

544
00:35:50,645 --> 00:35:58,005
the only way i don't know how to change them with this because they do they look like slop

545
00:35:58,005 --> 00:36:03,345
i i think that there is a certain disconnect with the way that they understand the world

546
00:36:03,345 --> 00:36:08,805
emotionally because they grew up with interacting with the technology technological world different

547
00:36:08,805 --> 00:36:14,885
than us so i think that they do have a certain sort of different emotional calibration um because

548
00:36:14,885 --> 00:36:21,285
of their interaction with the tech world. And we didn't have that. I'm 38. And so I didn't have a

549
00:36:21,285 --> 00:36:27,145
cell phone until I went to college. And I was T9. And I was T9. And so we grew up with dial-out.

550
00:36:27,665 --> 00:36:32,405
And my friends had dial-out until I left. Their internet is still really bad because they live in

551
00:36:32,405 --> 00:36:37,865
the middle of nowhere. So I think that there is this different emotional thing. Their emotions

552
00:36:37,865 --> 00:36:43,125
are calibrated differently in this way. And I'm not saying better or worse, but just differently.

553
00:36:43,125 --> 00:36:49,225
and in a certain sense I don't know if they respond to incentives in the same way older

554
00:36:49,225 --> 00:36:57,865
generations do and so what that means is I don't know how the hell to change a lot of them um

555
00:36:57,865 --> 00:37:04,665
now granted I don't know how to change a lot of millennials either um but what I would say is that

556
00:37:04,665 --> 00:37:14,965
so I'm not only dumping on the zoomers um I think that the ones there are zoomers who are searching

557
00:37:14,965 --> 00:37:21,125
and wanting for more and I think that they do not like what they see I think they're very self-aware

558
00:37:21,125 --> 00:37:27,285
and I think and again I know some of them follow me and I think that though I think that we're

559
00:37:27,285 --> 00:37:33,025
going to see maybe a separation of the zoomers and well we might see it's not gonna be 50 50 it's

560
00:37:33,025 --> 00:37:34,305
I'm going to be $1.99.

561
00:37:34,905 --> 00:37:36,625
It's more like $0.199.

562
00:37:37,125 --> 00:37:42,765
But I think that you will see, or we do have a, there's a very good element.

563
00:37:43,005 --> 00:37:47,385
There's a very good clan of Zoomers, but they're pretty far and few between.

564
00:37:48,025 --> 00:37:49,465
And I think that those people, though, resonate.

565
00:37:50,365 --> 00:37:51,925
Do we need to bring back public shaming?

566
00:37:52,445 --> 00:37:53,525
Yes, absolutely.

567
00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:55,365
I mean, this is the thing.

568
00:37:55,365 --> 00:38:01,785
I mean, if you really want to get real about it, you can't actually change this stuff voluntarily

569
00:38:01,785 --> 00:38:05,085
because people will always choose the easier route.

570
00:38:05,745 --> 00:38:07,145
This is just kind of like a nature of human.

571
00:38:07,185 --> 00:38:08,345
This is like a thing of human nature.

572
00:38:08,505 --> 00:38:09,465
People don't want to be better.

573
00:38:09,825 --> 00:38:10,985
You can't have to make them be better.

574
00:38:11,445 --> 00:38:12,785
You have to kind of punish them in a way,

575
00:38:12,825 --> 00:38:14,385
make it worse to look bad.

576
00:38:14,465 --> 00:38:16,205
I mean, that's what people dressed well back in the old days.

577
00:38:16,265 --> 00:38:17,045
It wasn't because they were like,

578
00:38:17,325 --> 00:38:19,725
oh my gosh, I'm reading all this style stuff.

579
00:38:20,045 --> 00:38:21,685
No, they just like, if I look like crap,

580
00:38:21,725 --> 00:38:22,505
I'm not getting a job.

581
00:38:22,725 --> 00:38:25,285
If I look really bad, I'm not getting a girl.

582
00:38:25,625 --> 00:38:26,825
If I look really, really bad,

583
00:38:26,825 --> 00:38:28,865
my dad's going to kick me out of the house or something.

584
00:38:29,345 --> 00:38:31,705
You know, just like you were like ostracized.

585
00:38:31,785 --> 00:38:32,965
You look bad.

586
00:38:33,085 --> 00:38:36,985
Like if you looked bad, people weren't going, your life was worse if you looked bad.

587
00:38:37,585 --> 00:38:42,345
And so if we make it so your life is worse, if you look bad, people will dress better.

588
00:38:42,605 --> 00:38:43,945
It's just incentives, you know?

589
00:38:44,305 --> 00:38:46,305
So now is it possible to do that?

590
00:38:47,865 --> 00:38:48,445
I don't know.

591
00:38:48,465 --> 00:38:49,145
I don't have a lot of hope.

592
00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:50,085
I mean, how are we going to do that?

593
00:38:50,085 --> 00:38:51,225
I mean, you know.

594
00:38:52,065 --> 00:38:56,645
Are country clubs the last bass in the last line to hold?

595
00:38:56,885 --> 00:39:01,565
And from what I understand, they're even getting lax in some of their dress codes as well.

596
00:39:01,565 --> 00:39:06,385
some of them yeah you know i think that it is and i've also i think within law you see the same

597
00:39:06,385 --> 00:39:12,305
thing i i have a lot of lawyer friends and they say it's really um declined in law it used to be

598
00:39:12,305 --> 00:39:19,285
pretty formal but around maybe i'll have to check these dates but some of these guys yeah back in

599
00:39:19,285 --> 00:39:26,005
the 2000s early 2000s even into like 2008 2010 guys were wearing suits you know that was the thing

600
00:39:26,005 --> 00:39:32,845
but then it's really declined and yeah for court if you're going to trial and stuff or if you're

601
00:39:32,845 --> 00:39:37,725
in court you have to wear a suit still but everyone i know who's a lawyer says it's gotten a lot worse

602
00:39:37,725 --> 00:39:42,765
even though it's still the last bastion is still holding a little bit and it makes sense because

603
00:39:42,765 --> 00:39:48,925
it's a very formal profession but since covid they've really accelerated downward too i do think

604
00:39:48,925 --> 00:39:57,005
that there is a future where people do start basically requiring things in their restaurants.

605
00:39:57,125 --> 00:40:01,225
Not a lot. They're not saying a jacket, but know this, you know, know this kind of like I've seen

606
00:40:01,225 --> 00:40:04,865
stores saying no dogs. We don't allow dogs in here, you know, because they're just sick of the

607
00:40:04,865 --> 00:40:10,765
dog thing. You could see people saying, I mean, it's a long way off, maybe 20 years or something,

608
00:40:10,765 --> 00:40:14,285
but you might see nice places saying you have to wear a shirt with a collar.

609
00:40:14,285 --> 00:40:20,565
and eventually that could you know kids hate what their parents did so maybe you could see

610
00:40:20,565 --> 00:40:27,665
kids hating their slot parents you never know you know you know that is uh i don't know it

611
00:40:27,665 --> 00:40:34,385
docks my exact location this may do it to anybody who uh knows the area well but there is a bar

612
00:40:34,385 --> 00:40:39,945
in the little island towns that i live on in the summer that if you try to walk in there without a

613
00:40:39,945 --> 00:40:47,425
collar shirt they kick you out no hats love that that's awesome i mean i mean if this could change

614
00:40:47,425 --> 00:40:51,385
it could change on the private level like that where we're not i don't think because this is the

615
00:40:51,385 --> 00:40:54,225
thing and i'm not blaming anybody for this because i'm not going to be walking up to people saying

616
00:40:54,225 --> 00:40:57,205
hey put on a collar shirt like on the street i'm not going to be going up to people criticizing

617
00:40:57,205 --> 00:41:02,705
them on the street from what they're wearing but if you have establishments that have rules posted

618
00:41:02,705 --> 00:41:06,565
on the door where then the only people the people serving say i'm just enforcing the rules

619
00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:15,005
if you did see a move toward that you would see an inching toward people dressing a little better

620
00:41:15,005 --> 00:41:19,565
but that does involve some sort of compulsion you know it involves and you cannot go here

621
00:41:19,565 --> 00:41:26,385
unless you wear that yeah and it doesn't people no if you if a group of us i mean i don't do it

622
00:41:26,385 --> 00:41:31,465
that much anymore though i've got children but back in the day when before kids if we knew we

623
00:41:31,465 --> 00:41:35,445
were going to that bar it's like all right take off the hat put on the college shirt yeah and

624
00:41:35,445 --> 00:41:39,485
get like even if you're going to another spot before that if you know you want to ultimately

625
00:41:39,485 --> 00:41:44,545
end up there it's like i gotta look good you gotta look good and that's people only respond to that

626
00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:47,705
they're not going to do it voluntarily now the people who follow me do it voluntarily but

627
00:41:47,705 --> 00:41:53,505
it's a very i mean this is just a small percentage of people i mean most people and i'm not i'm not

628
00:41:53,505 --> 00:41:57,785
even saying this in some sort of cruel way but i think human nature a lot of our human nature is

629
00:41:57,785 --> 00:42:02,705
to choose the easiest route you know that's just who we are you know we need guide you know we need

630
00:42:02,705 --> 00:42:08,385
guides to tell us what to do kind of and so um we'll choose the easiest way unless you're an

631
00:42:08,385 --> 00:42:15,265
extremely high spirit person who will choose the you know a better way and so yeah i mean

632
00:42:15,265 --> 00:42:20,125
slow movements like that if we were to see that that would change stuff and coupled with other

633
00:42:20,125 --> 00:42:26,365
stuff yeah and yeah that could change the culture but as for gen z how to target them specifically

634
00:42:26,365 --> 00:42:31,805
i don't know they they respond to incentives in weird ways and i'm not sure how to understand them

635
00:42:31,805 --> 00:42:41,105
yeah no actually yeah sure you're aware of zuby on on x he posted uh a newsletter this morning

636
00:42:41,105 --> 00:42:50,125
about 10 uh or 10 lessons or 12 lessons um for for generation z men specifically and i read it

637
00:42:50,125 --> 00:42:56,065
and it's really good and i think one thing that is missing from our culture also that contributes

638
00:42:56,065 --> 00:43:00,925
to this is like the lack of mentorship um i was just gonna say that i knew where you were going

639
00:43:00,925 --> 00:43:02,445
I could tell where you were going with this.

640
00:43:03,105 --> 00:43:04,865
A lot of these guys grew up with no fathers.

641
00:43:05,185 --> 00:43:06,725
They grew up with fathers, not showing them the way.

642
00:43:07,005 --> 00:43:07,965
And they don't know what the hell to do.

643
00:43:08,925 --> 00:43:10,225
They don't know what the hell to do.

644
00:43:10,705 --> 00:43:14,865
A lot of guys, because I do think some of the best Gen Z, they just want someone to tell them what to do.

645
00:43:14,965 --> 00:43:15,385
Some of them.

646
00:43:15,845 --> 00:43:19,985
Some of the best Gen Z realize, wow, we are cooked as a generation.

647
00:43:20,065 --> 00:43:20,805
We didn't learn anything.

648
00:43:21,265 --> 00:43:22,085
Tell me what to do.

649
00:43:22,505 --> 00:43:25,445
There is a group of that where they're like, is this what I do?

650
00:43:25,505 --> 00:43:26,165
Okay, that's what I do.

651
00:43:26,165 --> 00:43:29,645
And I think some of them didn't have dads showing them this sort of stuff.

652
00:43:29,645 --> 00:43:32,685
and that's a failure of mentorship.

653
00:43:34,785 --> 00:43:35,185
Yeah.

654
00:43:35,985 --> 00:43:36,385
Yeah.

655
00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:38,225
Now I'm thinking like,

656
00:43:38,285 --> 00:43:39,165
I obviously have my children,

657
00:43:39,585 --> 00:43:41,465
I am their father mentor,

658
00:43:41,625 --> 00:43:42,105
if you will,

659
00:43:42,125 --> 00:43:42,745
but like how to do it.

660
00:43:42,745 --> 00:43:43,065
Like we,

661
00:43:43,305 --> 00:43:46,305
we have a lot of young people

662
00:43:46,305 --> 00:43:47,365
that work for us here.

663
00:43:47,505 --> 00:43:49,685
I'm the oldest at the company

664
00:43:49,685 --> 00:43:50,345
and there's,

665
00:43:50,945 --> 00:43:52,445
we've got a couple of new contractors

666
00:43:52,445 --> 00:43:53,585
that we've done a lot of work with

667
00:43:53,585 --> 00:43:53,965
and they're,

668
00:43:54,225 --> 00:43:56,745
I think 19 and 17.

669
00:43:57,125 --> 00:43:57,985
It's been fun.

670
00:43:57,985 --> 00:44:04,065
sort of like interacting with with them yeah and uh not not calling myself a mentor for them it's

671
00:44:04,065 --> 00:44:07,745
something intentionally when we're going into meetings like how do i present myself and sometimes

672
00:44:07,745 --> 00:44:14,025
i forget like i'm like to think of myself as a kid at heart like i think of who i was a high school

673
00:44:14,025 --> 00:44:18,665
and college student like late years i like to think i still have that youthful spirit but more

674
00:44:18,665 --> 00:44:23,105
recently is particularly interacting with these individuals in a professional setting it's like

675
00:44:23,105 --> 00:44:25,405
well, I'm like an older gentleman to them.

676
00:44:25,485 --> 00:44:27,285
I had to present like that.

677
00:44:28,225 --> 00:44:28,385
Yeah.

678
00:44:29,025 --> 00:44:32,585
Like you're the giga chat in the boardroom meme.

679
00:44:32,725 --> 00:44:33,665
I just sent that out last night.

680
00:44:33,705 --> 00:44:34,905
I said, this is how I feel.

681
00:44:37,065 --> 00:44:38,725
These guys, and yeah, like 17.

682
00:44:39,125 --> 00:44:40,165
I mean, you're twice as old.

683
00:44:40,265 --> 00:44:42,205
Like I'm twice as old as a guy who's 17.

684
00:44:42,205 --> 00:44:46,365
Like I could, like that, he could be my son.

685
00:44:46,645 --> 00:44:48,705
Like if I had kids, like I'm 38.

686
00:44:49,245 --> 00:44:51,825
If I had kids at the right time, that's old enough.

687
00:44:51,825 --> 00:45:03,448
I could be my son And so it interesting taking that on And I think a lot of something that like you said you feel like a kid at heart often and you feel like yeah I still feel like I learning so

688
00:45:03,448 --> 00:45:07,248
much because we always learn so much in our lives. But then we also, I think sometimes don't realize

689
00:45:07,248 --> 00:45:11,348
our skills compared to others, especially young people. And like, holy cow, they don't know this

690
00:45:11,348 --> 00:45:14,488
stuff. I'm sure you run into this all the time. I'm talking to someone and I assume they know what

691
00:45:14,488 --> 00:45:17,887
I'm talking about. I assume that they're already starting there. Like, I don't know the first five

692
00:45:17,887 --> 00:45:22,008
steps of what you're talking about. You know, and you're like, oh my gosh, wow. Like they don't,

693
00:45:22,008 --> 00:45:25,168
they've never heard someone say you,

694
00:45:25,387 --> 00:45:27,948
it is good to wear a shirt with a collar.

695
00:45:28,088 --> 00:45:30,008
It is better to dress nice.

696
00:45:30,248 --> 00:45:31,548
They've never heard that simple statement.

697
00:45:31,968 --> 00:45:32,948
They've never heard that.

698
00:45:33,407 --> 00:45:38,288
And so sometimes I think in almost understanding our old head status,

699
00:45:38,607 --> 00:45:43,448
it's almost realizing that they don't know everything we know and not in a

700
00:45:43,448 --> 00:45:44,748
patronizing way, but in a,

701
00:45:45,227 --> 00:45:46,988
maybe it's our job to kind of show them more or something.

702
00:45:47,768 --> 00:45:48,948
Yeah, no, it's funny.

703
00:45:48,948 --> 00:45:49,727
I got a,

704
00:45:50,407 --> 00:45:51,488
as we're discussing this,

705
00:45:51,528 --> 00:45:54,948
I'm getting notifications on my phone and I'm in a group chat with a bunch of

706
00:45:54,948 --> 00:45:57,508
old head surfers and they're just talking about the swell.

707
00:45:57,607 --> 00:45:58,668
It's like little things like that,

708
00:45:58,707 --> 00:46:01,867
like growing up on this Island and surfing with old heads and they're

709
00:46:01,867 --> 00:46:03,088
teaching you not only how to surf,

710
00:46:03,227 --> 00:46:05,127
but where to look and stuff like that.

711
00:46:05,328 --> 00:46:05,607
We're like,

712
00:46:05,727 --> 00:46:08,948
and now they were my mentor in the surfing world.

713
00:46:09,068 --> 00:46:11,668
And now we're in group chat talking about where we're going to go surf a

714
00:46:11,668 --> 00:46:12,927
week from the swell comes.

715
00:46:13,508 --> 00:46:14,268
And that's how it works.

716
00:46:14,348 --> 00:46:15,528
That's how it's supposed to work.

717
00:46:15,867 --> 00:46:16,248
You know?

718
00:46:17,248 --> 00:46:17,468
Yeah.

719
00:46:18,348 --> 00:46:18,927
That's fun.

720
00:46:18,948 --> 00:46:23,768
we need to bring we really need to bring how did you get into this that's what i'm like how did

721
00:46:23,768 --> 00:46:31,387
this become your your focus and your passion and your life you know i started writing about style

722
00:46:31,387 --> 00:46:40,268
really primarily um when i had kids i i had kids and i just thought to myself i was like

723
00:46:40,268 --> 00:46:45,828
i realized how bad the world looked you know i wrote how bad everything looked and i and i

724
00:46:45,828 --> 00:46:49,348
I kind of want to make a difference basically. And I thought like,

725
00:46:50,668 --> 00:46:54,648
I can do something. I feel useless if I'm not trying to impact a better,

726
00:46:54,648 --> 00:46:57,188
make a better world for him in a certain sense. You know,

727
00:46:57,227 --> 00:47:00,127
and I want to have a son first. I have a daughter as well.

728
00:47:00,748 --> 00:47:02,107
But I had a son first and I'm like,

729
00:47:02,207 --> 00:47:05,548
I'm not doing anything to make his world better. I can try to teach him,

730
00:47:05,588 --> 00:47:08,568
but like I want to make some sort of change almost, you know?

731
00:47:09,068 --> 00:47:13,227
And so then I started talking about this and writing about this and,

732
00:47:13,788 --> 00:47:15,488
and I talk about other stuff too, you know? And I,

733
00:47:15,488 --> 00:47:18,548
And all of the things I write about often I write about are,

734
00:47:18,988 --> 00:47:23,207
I try to only say things that I would want my kids encountering when they were 20.

735
00:47:23,387 --> 00:47:26,387
You know, because I think about what all these other guys are encountering online.

736
00:47:26,828 --> 00:47:27,848
They're 20, 21, 22.

737
00:47:28,028 --> 00:47:28,268
You know what I mean?

738
00:47:28,268 --> 00:47:29,788
All the stuff that is not so great.

739
00:47:30,367 --> 00:47:32,008
And I think like, what would I want my kids to encounter

740
00:47:32,008 --> 00:47:35,867
if they were sort of not knowing what to do in their 20s, you know?

741
00:47:36,968 --> 00:47:37,328
Yeah.

742
00:47:38,188 --> 00:47:38,508
Yeah.

743
00:47:38,788 --> 00:47:41,188
You're just exciting more thoughts about Chen Z.

744
00:47:41,288 --> 00:47:42,028
My dating call.

745
00:47:42,028 --> 00:47:51,048
Like, do you think the style of Gen Z has anything to do with this problem in dating culture that exists now?

746
00:47:51,468 --> 00:47:51,867
Yeah.

747
00:47:52,248 --> 00:47:53,707
I mean, nobody looks good.

748
00:47:53,788 --> 00:47:57,348
My wife and I walk around the store and we're seeing these like, we see these kids.

749
00:47:57,508 --> 00:47:59,968
When I walk around the store, we see these kids, they're like obviously in college.

750
00:48:00,568 --> 00:48:02,887
The guys and girls look like absolute crap.

751
00:48:03,468 --> 00:48:04,348
They look so bad.

752
00:48:04,488 --> 00:48:07,727
And we're like, this is when you are supposed to be looking your best.

753
00:48:08,207 --> 00:48:09,268
You should be looking your best.

754
00:48:09,268 --> 00:48:12,727
You have the most to work with in your entire life at this point.

755
00:48:13,328 --> 00:48:15,188
And you are looking like guys and girls alike.

756
00:48:15,288 --> 00:48:16,528
You're looking absolutely terrible.

757
00:48:16,727 --> 00:48:20,328
You're, you are not looking attractive to the opposite sex.

758
00:48:20,468 --> 00:48:22,387
You're not sexually enticing to them.

759
00:48:22,707 --> 00:48:23,488
And that's how it works.

760
00:48:23,568 --> 00:48:27,088
I don't want to tell you, you know, and if you're just looking like you don't care.

761
00:48:28,207 --> 00:48:35,088
Well, that like, I think one of the, and who knows if this is wide ranging, I assume it is,

762
00:48:35,088 --> 00:48:39,548
but he knows how you're being manipulated by videos you see on X.

763
00:48:40,288 --> 00:48:41,207
But the girl is saying like,

764
00:48:41,227 --> 00:48:42,367
nobody's walking up to me.

765
00:48:42,607 --> 00:48:44,488
I don't think men have confidence to do that.

766
00:48:44,548 --> 00:48:46,707
Like it's a partly because they look like shit.

767
00:48:47,068 --> 00:48:47,468
Yeah,

768
00:48:47,788 --> 00:48:48,348
dude.

769
00:48:48,468 --> 00:48:48,828
Yes.

770
00:48:49,068 --> 00:48:50,288
If you look like shit,

771
00:48:50,448 --> 00:48:51,907
you're not going to approach a girl.

772
00:48:52,028 --> 00:48:54,427
And that gets back to just what we said at the very beginning of this.

773
00:48:54,568 --> 00:48:57,308
It sets your day on this confident.

774
00:48:57,528 --> 00:48:57,968
It's a,

775
00:48:58,088 --> 00:48:59,008
when you get ready,

776
00:48:59,387 --> 00:49:00,227
you are more confident.

777
00:49:00,308 --> 00:49:01,008
You're more competent.

778
00:49:01,188 --> 00:49:02,168
You feel stronger.

779
00:49:02,288 --> 00:49:03,127
All this sort of stuff.

780
00:49:03,308 --> 00:49:04,308
When you feel like crap,

781
00:49:04,308 --> 00:49:10,087
You're not going to have the stones to go approach some girl, to go talk to some girl because you feel like crap.

782
00:49:10,548 --> 00:49:11,468
And who knows?

783
00:49:11,727 --> 00:49:12,668
I've heard someone else say this.

784
00:49:12,707 --> 00:49:13,468
I don't know who it was.

785
00:49:13,828 --> 00:49:18,907
But it's like you never know when you might meet the girl who could be your wife.

786
00:49:19,407 --> 00:49:19,568
You know?

787
00:49:19,627 --> 00:49:28,048
And so if you're dressed like a dress for – if you are single, you should be dressing good, looking good because any girl that you might – that might be the one.

788
00:49:28,488 --> 00:49:28,648
You know?

789
00:49:29,068 --> 00:49:33,268
And the other thing about the dress – about clothes too is that there's all these ways you can look at it.

790
00:49:33,268 --> 00:49:37,188
You can look at it in a very moral, religious way.

791
00:49:37,448 --> 00:49:42,188
You can look at it in a very sort of like just let's get going way, a very professional way.

792
00:49:42,448 --> 00:49:44,887
And you can look at it in a very just brass tacks.

793
00:49:44,887 --> 00:49:47,848
How do I approach a girl so I can meet a girl?

794
00:49:48,308 --> 00:49:50,328
Or how can I look attractive to a girl?

795
00:49:50,768 --> 00:49:52,468
You can look for it for romance too.

796
00:49:52,788 --> 00:49:53,868
I need to meet girls.

797
00:49:53,968 --> 00:49:54,707
I need to meet a girl.

798
00:49:54,828 --> 00:49:55,648
I need to get married.

799
00:49:56,407 --> 00:49:58,868
You can look at it in a really brass tacks way.

800
00:49:58,868 --> 00:50:05,048
And what I try often with my message of clothing is I try to spread those messages out because we're all at different stages in life.

801
00:50:05,387 --> 00:50:06,768
Us, we have kids.

802
00:50:06,887 --> 00:50:12,148
We're talking about how to show our boys how to dress or our kids how to dress.

803
00:50:13,207 --> 00:50:15,087
The guy who's 23 is trying to meet girls.

804
00:50:15,328 --> 00:50:18,207
He needs to dress decent so the girl doesn't say, you look like an idiot.

805
00:50:18,848 --> 00:50:20,028
It's the same thing for the girl, by the way.

806
00:50:20,227 --> 00:50:22,087
She used to be looking good and sound like an idiot.

807
00:50:24,168 --> 00:50:24,528
Yeah.

808
00:50:24,948 --> 00:50:25,127
Yeah.

809
00:50:25,127 --> 00:50:31,668
this is uh why do you think there's not enough discussion around this topic too because it seems

810
00:50:31,668 --> 00:50:38,368
like you said it's it's how you look it's how you perceive it's very primal almost to a sense but

811
00:50:38,368 --> 00:50:45,168
something that has been neglected yes i don't why is there a lot of not not discussion about this i

812
00:50:45,168 --> 00:50:50,488
think that there's two things there's one side of things where people are there's some people who

813
00:50:50,488 --> 00:50:55,707
very, very traditional. And they're already on a very traditional track. You know, there's people

814
00:50:55,707 --> 00:51:00,727
who are very, very conservative and very religious and very traditional. And if they're in that world,

815
00:51:00,808 --> 00:51:05,087
like really in that world, they're not comfortable talking about sexual attraction in the same way.

816
00:51:05,488 --> 00:51:10,907
So they're talking in these more like biblical sort of ways. Then the other people are so

817
00:51:10,907 --> 00:51:15,148
degenerated and they don't want anybody to tell them to do anything or try. And they're too lazy.

818
00:51:15,488 --> 00:51:19,207
They just want to complain about the woman just wants to complain about men suck. Men just want

819
00:51:19,207 --> 00:51:24,008
complain about the fact that women suck no one wants to try to actually get anything done that

820
00:51:24,008 --> 00:51:29,387
they don't want to talk about it you know but then you do have the sliver of guys who are not like

821
00:51:29,387 --> 00:51:33,127
that and i assume a sliver of girls who are not like that as well though i don't know because i

822
00:51:33,127 --> 00:51:37,707
don't talk to girls about this it's i'm talking about guys but uh i think that that's kind of why

823
00:51:37,707 --> 00:51:42,087
there's like this one group that they think you should focus on other things you know

824
00:51:42,087 --> 00:51:47,968
the other group they're too lazy yeah well i'm happy you're focusing on it because i do think

825
00:51:47,968 --> 00:51:52,468
you and many others, I'm sure you've noticed that there's been this resurgence

826
00:51:52,468 --> 00:51:55,968
of aesthetic accounts on

827
00:51:55,968 --> 00:52:00,107
Twitter in recent years, often associated

828
00:52:00,107 --> 00:52:04,368
with conservative individuals, but I don't

829
00:52:04,368 --> 00:52:08,488
think dressing well is a political thing.

830
00:52:08,828 --> 00:52:12,648
For some reason, the aesthetic

831
00:52:12,648 --> 00:52:15,587
accounts are more associated with conservative ideals, which

832
00:52:15,587 --> 00:52:22,907
It makes sense because people want to return to traditionalist mindset.

833
00:52:25,127 --> 00:52:30,087
There's nothing inherently horse race political about dressing decently.

834
00:52:30,248 --> 00:52:31,168
It's civilizational.

835
00:52:31,768 --> 00:52:32,707
I think you make an argument.

836
00:52:32,868 --> 00:52:34,328
Like I said, you can talk about this all these different ways.

837
00:52:34,768 --> 00:52:42,248
You make an argument that the tribe in the far-flung island wears loincloths because they're not civilized.

838
00:52:42,248 --> 00:53:04,887
I mean, that's not, I'm not saying to be like cruel, but that's just like, they're not a civilized thing. We have civilization. And so dressing decent is a form of civilization and a participation in civilization. And so if there's this sensibility that left woke, whatever is trying to tear down civilization, then conservative, conservative traditionalist will be the sort of trying to push the aesthetic around.

839
00:53:04,887 --> 00:53:12,308
something I like about clothes and I do like about clothes so much is that it requires action

840
00:53:12,308 --> 00:53:18,468
daily you know a lot of people will it's one thing to post a picture of a beautiful building

841
00:53:18,468 --> 00:53:23,707
and not be an architect but just like it it's another to put on your clothes and walk out into

842
00:53:23,707 --> 00:53:29,328
the world and it really influenced the world make the world more beautiful on your own you know when

843
00:53:29,328 --> 00:53:33,107
you do that you are making the world more beautiful you are taking action to do that

844
00:53:33,107 --> 00:53:36,927
and that is a fulfilling thing an important thing and that's what i really like about clothes it

845
00:53:36,927 --> 00:53:40,548
requires that action every day it's not just one thing it's constantly doing it and you're all

846
00:53:40,548 --> 00:53:45,107
always participating in the beautification of the world and influencing other guys yeah

847
00:53:45,107 --> 00:53:49,148
is that action start the night before like do you know what you're going to wear when you wake up or

848
00:53:49,148 --> 00:53:57,368
is it uh an explorative uh sort of practice in the mornings for me um it's all in the morning i don't

849
00:53:57,368 --> 00:54:01,427
do anything the night before i and you know it takes me like two minutes to get ready in the

850
00:54:01,427 --> 00:54:05,468
morning. I mean, once you have your wardrobe set, I just know exactly. I was like, boom, boom, boom.

851
00:54:05,548 --> 00:54:09,508
I got it. You know, I just know what I'm wearing. People imagine that I'm spending like a lot of

852
00:54:09,508 --> 00:54:12,707
time thinking about it, but it's really everything locks into place because I know what I'm doing.

853
00:54:13,548 --> 00:54:19,607
But for me, it's in the morning. I dress for how I feel in the morning for what the weather is,

854
00:54:19,607 --> 00:54:25,308
not just the temperature, but also if it's gray, I'm going to wear darker colors. You know,

855
00:54:25,308 --> 00:54:27,927
I'm going to wear it. Even if it's summer, if it's like a sort of gray, rainy day,

856
00:54:27,927 --> 00:54:30,148
I'll wear a darker madras

857
00:54:30,148 --> 00:54:32,288
you know a madras is a sort of a plaid

858
00:54:32,288 --> 00:54:34,068
set on a very very thin cotton

859
00:54:34,068 --> 00:54:36,188
I'll wear a really dark madras

860
00:54:36,188 --> 00:54:37,188
I'm not going to wear

861
00:54:37,188 --> 00:54:39,068
say a pink

862
00:54:39,068 --> 00:54:41,927
like a pink stripe like a pink university stripe

863
00:54:41,927 --> 00:54:43,988
short sleeve oxford shirt on a rainy day

864
00:54:43,988 --> 00:54:45,988
but I might on a sunny day

865
00:54:45,988 --> 00:54:46,848
and I'll wear on a sunny day

866
00:54:46,848 --> 00:54:49,968
and so I'll wear what I'll change what I wear based on the weather

867
00:54:49,968 --> 00:54:50,768
and so I do it in the morning

868
00:54:50,768 --> 00:54:53,168
alright I need to

869
00:54:53,168 --> 00:54:56,087
hand up accountability

870
00:54:56,087 --> 00:54:58,048
I need to fix my morning routine.

871
00:54:58,227 --> 00:55:02,227
It's not as intentional as maybe it should be.

872
00:55:02,727 --> 00:55:03,648
It feels good for me.

873
00:55:03,868 --> 00:55:04,988
I mean, listen, it makes me feel.

874
00:55:06,288 --> 00:55:07,168
There's so much chaos.

875
00:55:07,248 --> 00:55:07,828
You got kids.

876
00:55:07,988 --> 00:55:08,788
How old are your kids?

877
00:55:09,468 --> 00:55:10,168
Five and three.

878
00:55:10,568 --> 00:55:10,887
Okay.

879
00:55:11,387 --> 00:55:12,207
Same for me.

880
00:55:12,407 --> 00:55:12,587
Okay.

881
00:55:12,788 --> 00:55:14,707
So I know where you're coming from.

882
00:55:14,808 --> 00:55:15,808
It's a lot of chaos.

883
00:55:17,087 --> 00:55:18,087
It keeps me.

884
00:55:18,087 --> 00:55:26,707
It keeps me, it's 30 minutes of order that gets it going on the day.

885
00:55:27,148 --> 00:55:27,168
Right.

886
00:55:27,948 --> 00:55:28,387
Yeah.

887
00:55:28,448 --> 00:55:33,308
I saw your tweet the other day about having the morning coffee before the family woke up.

888
00:55:33,448 --> 00:55:35,308
That's the state I would like.

889
00:55:35,387 --> 00:55:40,528
When I do have those mornings, it is incredibly impactful on the rest of the day.

890
00:55:40,768 --> 00:55:41,008
Yes.

891
00:55:42,008 --> 00:55:43,887
It's the hour of the father.

892
00:55:44,008 --> 00:55:45,528
The hour of the father of the bar.

893
00:55:46,688 --> 00:55:46,968
Yeah.

894
00:55:46,968 --> 00:55:52,127
this is uh well thank you for doing what you're doing honestly and i'm not trying to blow smoke

895
00:55:52,127 --> 00:55:57,508
up your butt but honestly i think just simply by posting on x you've had a positive influence not

896
00:55:57,508 --> 00:56:03,948
only myself but many others um to really appreciate trying to look better to to raise

897
00:56:03,948 --> 00:56:10,868
a higher higher bar for civilization i i really appreciate that i mean that really means a lot

898
00:56:10,868 --> 00:56:15,788
for you to say i'm serious like to me that's what it's about to make a positive difference you know

899
00:56:15,788 --> 00:56:19,948
and in a real way, in a way that is scalable.

900
00:56:20,227 --> 00:56:24,248
And when I hear about guys who say, wow, like this really, I get it now.

901
00:56:24,348 --> 00:56:26,328
And when I see that positive growth, it just,

902
00:56:27,627 --> 00:56:30,448
the world can feel like we can't control a lot of it.

903
00:56:30,948 --> 00:56:32,188
And there is a lot that we can't control.

904
00:56:32,248 --> 00:56:35,448
And maybe we're dissatisfied with something that's going on or whatever.

905
00:56:36,387 --> 00:56:37,748
Well, we have to realize what we can control.

906
00:56:37,788 --> 00:56:39,068
What's our sphere of influence?

907
00:56:39,587 --> 00:56:41,528
And a lot of that starts with what's on our body.

908
00:56:41,868 --> 00:56:42,548
It starts right here.

909
00:56:42,607 --> 00:56:43,148
It's really close.

910
00:56:43,148 --> 00:56:46,948
So let's start there and then we can make other impacts.

911
00:56:47,788 --> 00:56:54,548
And that's the way – because you know I tweet about style and then I tweet about other stuff that is somewhat related.

912
00:56:54,668 --> 00:56:56,868
It's about modern life and all sorts of all of this.

913
00:56:57,107 --> 00:57:00,308
And we have to start where we are.

914
00:57:00,648 --> 00:57:03,587
And we can make a difference in that way and make a difference for ourselves and others.

915
00:57:03,627 --> 00:57:09,087
Because something that we don't realize is if you dress nice, you wearing this shirt, this Oxford shirt, you're wearing a collar shirt.

916
00:57:09,288 --> 00:57:10,127
You don't know.

917
00:57:10,407 --> 00:57:11,008
Because think about it.

918
00:57:11,008 --> 00:57:16,407
You could walk into the store and a guy who's 15, 16, 19, see and say, that looks really nice.

919
00:57:16,448 --> 00:57:19,268
I never really see people wear that as much anymore.

920
00:57:19,508 --> 00:57:20,328
I want to wear that.

921
00:57:20,808 --> 00:57:21,607
And he's never going to tell you.

922
00:57:21,907 --> 00:57:22,528
You're never going to know.

923
00:57:22,907 --> 00:57:23,788
He's never going to say that to you.

924
00:57:24,087 --> 00:57:25,107
But you influenced him.

925
00:57:25,627 --> 00:57:26,727
You influenced him in a positive way.

926
00:57:27,548 --> 00:57:33,707
And when I realized that, I realized people don't always tell you that you influence them.

927
00:57:33,968 --> 00:57:37,808
And this is where dressing decently can not only benefit your life, but even others who don't even talk to you.

928
00:57:37,868 --> 00:57:38,587
And you'll never know it.

929
00:57:38,587 --> 00:57:41,448
but that's how influence sort of fans out in a positive way.

930
00:57:41,568 --> 00:57:43,688
I think completely agree.

931
00:57:44,508 --> 00:57:45,308
Think about it.

932
00:57:45,488 --> 00:57:46,788
Anybody listening to the stress better,

933
00:57:46,788 --> 00:57:47,587
uh,

934
00:57:47,828 --> 00:57:49,587
to set a positive influence out there,

935
00:57:49,587 --> 00:57:50,887
but I'll be working.

936
00:57:51,048 --> 00:57:51,248
Uh,

937
00:57:51,248 --> 00:57:52,048
anybody listening to this,

938
00:57:52,087 --> 00:57:54,328
find out more about what you're doing,

939
00:57:54,328 --> 00:57:56,808
schedule a consultation potentially.

940
00:57:57,348 --> 00:57:57,748
Absolutely.

941
00:57:57,988 --> 00:57:58,268
Oh yeah.

942
00:57:58,268 --> 00:57:59,087
I love doing competitions.

943
00:57:59,188 --> 00:58:00,168
I love working with guys,

944
00:58:00,268 --> 00:58:02,288
working with guys individually is such a,

945
00:58:02,488 --> 00:58:04,607
it's so awesome because you see,

946
00:58:04,727 --> 00:58:08,448
I love getting guys started on their style journey and then seeing them develop

947
00:58:08,448 --> 00:58:13,948
their personal style, teaching them the fundamentals and seeing them grow and then circle back after

948
00:58:13,948 --> 00:58:16,988
two years, see where they are. And it's just, wow, what a difference. It's just amazing.

949
00:58:17,468 --> 00:58:22,288
So where you can find me is first of all on X, Necktie Salvage is my username. You can find me

950
00:58:22,288 --> 00:58:28,308
on Instagram, Necktie Salvage as well. There's a link tree in my bio on X with a link to a bunch

951
00:58:28,308 --> 00:58:33,587
of stuff to the fitting room, which is my sub stack, which is my sub stack where I write about

952
00:58:33,587 --> 00:58:40,168
style and a link to everything else my dms are open for consultation my the real place where you

953
00:58:40,168 --> 00:58:44,448
can find me for everything is on substack instagram and twitter and on twitter there'll be a link in

954
00:58:44,448 --> 00:58:49,808
the link tree with a link to everything where you can find me and contact me and read what i have to

955
00:58:49,808 --> 00:58:55,207
say about style and i send out a morning memo every single day or every single weekday uh short

956
00:58:55,207 --> 00:59:00,407
little bits to get you going to give you ideas to get you to guide you slowly over time because it's

957
00:59:00,407 --> 00:59:03,227
a long process i mean you can't understand everything you need to know about style in

958
00:59:03,227 --> 00:59:08,648
two days you know but drawing it out helps so that's where you can find me x next i salvage

959
00:59:08,648 --> 00:59:12,668
instagram link tree the bio there that'll give you a link to everything else

960
00:59:12,668 --> 00:59:19,968
go check it out thank you for doing this and thank you for uh thank you for engaging me as

961
00:59:19,968 --> 00:59:24,968
i'm sweating profusely in front of you it's uh what temperatures are there man what it's 90 degrees

962
00:59:24,968 --> 00:59:29,508
I like the heat though

963
00:59:29,508 --> 00:59:31,048
the thing is

964
00:59:31,048 --> 00:59:32,127
it's actually pretty warm here

965
00:59:32,127 --> 00:59:32,968
let me see what it is right here

966
00:59:32,968 --> 00:59:34,668
oh man, Northern Michigan

967
00:59:34,668 --> 00:59:35,688
it's pretty divine

968
00:59:35,688 --> 00:59:36,268
it's 77

969
00:59:36,268 --> 00:59:37,568
I'm going to go to the beach

970
00:59:37,568 --> 00:59:38,387
like right after this

971
00:59:38,387 --> 00:59:39,127
I'm going to the beach

972
00:59:39,127 --> 00:59:41,748
so no, it's a nice day here

973
00:59:41,748 --> 00:59:42,907
yeah, well

974
00:59:42,907 --> 00:59:43,828
enjoy the beach

975
00:59:43,828 --> 00:59:44,828
thank you so much

976
00:59:44,828 --> 00:59:45,868
for your time

977
00:59:45,868 --> 00:59:46,568
and what you're doing

978
00:59:46,568 --> 00:59:47,548
hopefully we can do this again

979
00:59:47,548 --> 00:59:48,548
at some point in the future

980
00:59:48,548 --> 00:59:49,688
thank you for having me

981
00:59:49,688 --> 00:59:50,508
it was such a pleasure

982
00:59:50,508 --> 00:59:51,107
such a joy

983
00:59:51,107 --> 00:59:52,188
such an awesome conversation

984
00:59:52,188 --> 00:59:53,587
and I would love to do it again

985
00:59:53,587 --> 00:59:54,348
alright

986
00:59:54,348 --> 00:59:55,488
That's all today's freaks.

987
00:59:55,668 --> 00:59:56,028
Peace and love.