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Guys, it's been 10 and a half months since we since we last caught up.

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That's a long time.

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We recorded, I believe, November 10th, 2025, which is two days after the election.

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We talked about Palantir Mafia coming in.

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And when I was thinking about how to start this conversation, I'm sure you guys saw it.

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But Alex Karp at the All In Summit, very confidently letting the people of the United States know that Palantir is not spying on individual Americans.

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At first, I was like, oh, man, maybe I've really misunderstood Palantir.

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And then I was like, wait a second.

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Like, how is that possible?

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Yeah.

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Do you remember when, like, James Clapper lied about how they were spying on Americans under oath and didn't get in trouble for it?

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Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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I think when people like that say they're not spying on Americans, it's kind of hard to trust them, given a lot of the precedents, you know?

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Yeah.

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James Clapper, NSA.

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The NSA is not going to work with Palantir, though.

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They can't get the contracts if they don't spy enough.

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That's what was told.

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Well, I'm pretty sure the contract for all 18 U.S. intelligence agencies.

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Yeah.

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Well, I guess a year into the Trump admin.

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the last episode we did was like what to expect the next four years

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and I think the crux of that conversation revolved around

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sort of financial stablecoin

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implementation. I think it's pretty clear that that was a very strong priority

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of this administration. They passed the Genius Act rather quickly.

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Obviously we're talking about the PayPal Palantir Mafia getting more

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ingrained in the surveillance state here. That seems to be happening

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And I think one thing we highlighted was with the immigration policy, watch out for the border.

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Digital IDs are probably the borders where they're going to basically Trojan horse digital IDs in.

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And so, yeah, I mean, that's still possible.

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I think that's definitely what's happening in the UK, though.

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So Keir Starmer is pushing through digital ID to stop illegal immigration, which, you know,

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previously the labor party in the UK was pushing it, you know,

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this is we're going to stop hate speech and stop online bullying.

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But it seems like in the U S they're actually,

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instead of sneaking it through border stuff and on, on those same, you know,

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justifications that the UK government is using,

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it looks like it's going to slide in with the genius act considering what

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they've some of the stuff they've put out asking for comment on after its

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passage,

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sort of framing digital ID is an essential pillar to the implementation of

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the Genius Act.

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Somebody who prides himself on being on the cutting edge of all this, I was unaware that

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digital ID was tied into this. I assumed some KYC AML stuff, but

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didn't realize it was. Yeah, it's not directly, like there's nothing in the Genius Act specifically

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talking about digital ID. There's obviously a lot about know your

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customer and Bank Secrecy Act stuff and what have you, but I think the

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bigger, well, so as it relates to the Genius Act specifically,

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the Treasury did open up, you know, asking for comments. And within that, you know, proposition

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asking for public comment, they did bring up digital ID. And, you know, I think people like

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Lola Leitz at The Rage has been covering a lot of the Genius Act implications for like, you know,

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basically using articles of the Patriot Act to push towards a lot of the stuff, which is obviously

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not good. But I think what's actually kind of interesting is not so much about the US yet,

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Although I think that's it's pretty inevitable that that will come at some point. But we're actually seeing the downstream effects of the stablecoin legislation passing in the US, other places in the world now.

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Like in the UK, they're limiting how many dollar stablecoins are attempting to limit how many dollar stablecoins a UK citizen can hold. And then we're seeing, you know, mass debanking in Vietnam.

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You know, I think it was something like 70 something million bank accounts were closed, you know, basically saying, you know, we'll re-bank you if you agree to this biometric stuff and, you know, basically implement a digital ID.

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And I think the reason for that is, you know, when there's a proliferation of U.S. dollar stable coins across the world and, you know, now there's even avenues for yield to be given to those stable coins, which we're going to see right at some point.

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You know, why would any foreign national hold anything other than, you know, dollars, hopefully, you know, Bitcoin, if you're into that.

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But why would you hold a local currency when you can hold dollars, get yield from it? And all you need to do to get to it is have a smartphone. So I think countries around the world, the euro, the ECB is now putting out comments being like, we're screwed if we let the dollar stable coins take over, because why would you want to stay in the euro when you can get dollars with yield?

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So we're going to actually see, I think, the rest of the world first implement a lot of restrictions on people via digital ID and, you know, choking these on ramps to stable coins because people are going to massively, you know, flight, you know, just incredible capital flight from the local currencies, you know, and they want to keep that money in their country.

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Otherwise, you know, they're fucked. They don't want you putting their their money in U.S. debt or, you know, in tethers.

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You know, they want to keep you in your local currency.

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So we're already starting to see the downstream effects nationally or internationally from the Genius Act as it relates to like, let's prevent capital flight because of all the money leaves the country.

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You know, we're kind of screwed. So it remains to be seen how they'll do it in the U.S., what carrot they'll dangle, whether it's some UBI or some, you know, yield thing or something.

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that gets American citizens to comply with this stuff.

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But we're already starting to see it as like a defensive maneuver

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from foreign nations to like prevent capital flight via stable coins.

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Just kind of crazy.

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Yeah, the Vietnam story I wrote about it last week, it's pretty astonishing.

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I believe it was like 84 million bank accounts were closed.

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And it's typical government.

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And maybe it makes sense to a certain extent,

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but I think it's certainly an overreach.

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They were like, hey, there's a bunch of people spinning up drop shipping businesses here and they're sort of laundering money from other countries in Southeast Asia and fraudulently spinning up these bank accounts.

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And I think the population of Vietnam is less than 100 billion.

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So obviously there's multiple bank accounts.

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But something that we've been talking about for quite some time is this push towards biometric verification.

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And that was sort of what they Trojan horse did.

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And it's like, hey, we need to stop this fraud.

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We need to stop this money laundering.

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So we need a face scan or a fingerprint if you want to have an account.

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Yeah, well, I think, I mean, the pace of that globally, of pushing that through globally, has really picked up.

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Especially, you know, the EU announced last year that they were going to have this year basically be where they roll it all through for foreign travelers coming into the EU.

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I think the State Department just issued something being like, Americans, prepare to scan your face when you go to Europe.

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So, you know, they pretty much done that. But this was an agreed upon thing with Interpol to move that way.

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And the U.S. was like agreed to do that. So it just is a matter of time, really, until they implement it unless, you know,

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there's some directive from the administration distancing themselves from that Interpol policy.

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But I haven't seen anything of that at this point.

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so and already i mean i haven't traveled to the u.s since 2023 but i mean even then it was kind of

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you know face scanning and uh they wanted you to you know do an even more like intense biometric

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thing if you wanted to skip the line with that private company clear clear yeah yeah those guys

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um and then there's the the tsa itself has sort of like that that fast fast lane they offer if you

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like pre-check and apparently they're going to put the deeper scan in with pre-check at some point

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and you know yeah one of the last times i was flying i was like you know i had like an hour

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and i don't like to get to airports early you know because fuck that and i had like an hour to get to

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my flight it was an international flight and you know this lady ran up and was like you're gonna

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miss your flight you're gonna miss it the security line is too long come with me and i'll sign you up

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for the clear thing and we'll do the thing and you'll make your flight like you can't miss your

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flight you know and i was like i'd rather miss my flight than go do that shit uh and then i made it

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with like 45 minutes like it wasn't even close but like you know that trying to sigh out yeah

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that like immediate like you're gonna you're gonna miss we're gonna miss like a big thing

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you're doomed scan your face yeah i was like you won't be down no i'll take the doom it's fine

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i'll catch a later flight it is funny watching how easily conditioned people are because even

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still in the United States, I fly quite frequently within the States and I don't have pre-check.

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People think I'm crazy for that. I'm like, I just don't have it. And you go through the regular line

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and they have the face scanners pretty much now the day is at every sort of TSA checkpoint for

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regular, um, for regular boarding lines. And most people don't read the sign right before it that

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says you can opt out of this. And I, I can say with confidence in the last 20 times I've flown

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over the last two years, I'm the only one that I've observed that is saying, I'm going to opt

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out of this. I'm like, you don't have to scan your face. And even if it doesn't matter, there's

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cameras all throughout the airport and they're definitely scanning your face. No matter what,

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it's like, I want to send a message. Like I do not like this at all. I'm going to consciously

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opt out of it. Yeah. You, you can't comply to this stuff. Like I, I, I like totally, and I say

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this, you know, people always shit on me talking to shit on stable coins and it's like, like I

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empathize and sympathize with people that want to use them. I totally get it. And I understand that.

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But I think like, you know, we have such few, you know, lines in the sand to draw anymore.

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And it's like we need to not comply as much as possible that not in a way that, you know,

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I'm not suggesting anybody really fuck their lives up or their kids lives or whatever. Obviously,

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it's a personal decision. But like, yeah, I think if we normalize pushing back these things,

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because it becomes super normalized that we get our whole body scanned.

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And it's just like, we really shouldn't have to do that.

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And digital ID really won't work unless everybody complies.

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And, you know, unfortunately, they're going to try to figure out some way to

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manufacture consent for the compliance, you know, and they're damn good at that.

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Unfortunately, that's just what I was going to get to.

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Like we are in an environment where it seems like manufactured consent is being

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drummed up with speech laws, not only in the UK, but they're coming here in the

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United States. The newsletter I wrote last night, I'm not sure if you've seen, I believe it's SP

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277 out of California that just passed the Senate. They're basically going to bring hate speech laws

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and they're focusing on the social media platforms with more than a hundred million dollars in gross

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revenue annually first, but it's basically the state of California saying, if, uh, if you say

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something that we deem is hate speech, we will find, uh, the social media platforms. And that's

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just a sort of light nudging towards forcing the social media platforms to curb speech.

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So we're seeing that.

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Obviously, with the aftermath of Charlie Kirk, things are very divisive right now.

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The right is certainly ginned up.

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The left is ginned up as well.

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And I've made a conscious effort two weeks out.

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The first few days, I definitely was reacting to it a little emotional.

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But now I share some conversations with people looking at how the story has sort of developed since then with the narrative that the government's putting out there, what's happening.

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I'm like, there's something here. It seems like there's some attempt to divide and conquer here.

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So I'm trying to step back from the culture wars and just focus on Bitcoin and privacy right now.

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Yeah, definitely good for you.

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Well, you know, a lot of these, you know, big events and a lot of times they capitalize on real tragedies.

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The national security state takes advantage of these types of things pretty consistently consistently to put for greater control.

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Right. And so, you know, you brought up hate speech laws in California, presumably coming from the left.

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There's been a lot of questionable rhetoric from the right after the Kirk assassination talking about hate speech as well.

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And so ultimately, you know, where does that take us?

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to a place where there's a lot more censorship than people would want.

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And, you know, censorship was a big political issue last election cycle, you know, really big for certain, you know, demographics.

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And so to have sort of the idea that hate speech is going to be potentially embraced by both sides,

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I definitely don't see that as a good thing.

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And also, you know, some of the stuff that has come out in the aftermath of this assassination has been this,

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what I would call a renewed push to upstart the war on domestic terror, which people have to keep

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in mind, you know, there's a long history to that. And so a lot of times when people get really

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emotionally sucked in to things, they kind of are focusing very much on like the present and the

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recent. Whereas, you know, the domestic terror infrastructure is something that's been steadily

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developed by every administration ever since 9-11. Because remember, in the post 9-11 environment,

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That's how we got the Department of Homeland Security. And right before 9-11, they introduced legislation to basically make DHS, but under a different name. And there wasn't a lot of support for it until conveniently after 9-11, when a lot of legislation that was liberty curbing was pushed through.

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You know, the Patriot Act being the most well known, but also the creation of DHS and numerous other laws.

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And ultimately, a lot of the war on terror infrastructure was always meant to be used domestically at some point, which is why you have a lot of those same things launching, you know, at the same time in the early 2000s.

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And so, you know, every administration since then, from Bush to Obama and then Trump the first time around and Biden, they have all expanded the domestic terror infrastructure and apparatus.

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And if you actually look at the definition of how the government defines domestic terrorism, which is actually put out by the Biden administration, but it's been supported.

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I haven't seen them change to the best of my knowledge the definition since Trump came in.

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But it includes people really on both sides of the divide, people that are against perceived government overreach, for example, can be defined as domestic terrorists.

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And then people who are against all forms of capitalism, for example, and that was Biden that put that out.

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But that could include potentially you against stakeholder capitalism of the World Economic Forum for example And it a pretty wide thing unfortunately

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And governments tend to use kind of these vague definitions and use them to their advantage

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whenever they want, right? So they give themselves a lot of wiggle room so they can label whoever they

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want a domestic terrorist. And so Antifa has now been labeled a domestic terror organization.

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And I would look at them as something, you know, sort of like most likely very fed infiltrated in the same way that like Patriot Front and like even the Proud Boys had feds or like informants like at the very top of the of the structure and things like that.

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You know, they tend to this is how the national security state operates when it wants to justify bigger budgets, more control and a removal of our liberties.

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And this has been going on since the 1980s with Operation Gladio when they developed the strategy of tension.

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They were the CIA and intelligence agencies basically were funding terrorism against civilians in Europe.

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And then they were blamed on on left-leaning groups.

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And they specifically were going after civilians.

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And it was a CIA plan really to prevent regimes that they deemed as aligned with the Soviets potentially, but not even actually.

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Just like left-leaning parties, they wanted to push Europe politically in a particular direction or towards particular candidates.

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they were financing terrorism and they were doing that with like the mob in the Vatican.

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I mean, it was a very, but I mean, it's a documented thing. So, you know, call me a

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conspiracy person all you want, which of course people like to do. But I mean, it's something that

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intelligence agencies have been doing. And so that, you know, if they want to institute

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draconian control measures, digital control measures over the United States or Western

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society or global society at large, they're probably, you know, they tend to go fall back

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on these same patterns and tactics that they've used time and again, decade over decade.

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And so what I worry about is a push for that happening again now that, but I mean, flipping

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sides, right?

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So you could argue that Biden tried to do it to an extent, but I think really it's whatever

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parties in power, they push for continued expansion of this apparatus.

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and they use whichever group is convenient

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to pander to their base,

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to justify us giving up liberty

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for perceived security, right?

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Operation Gladio strategy of tension.

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was to get people to give up their liberties

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to feel safer from these terror acts

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that were being financed by intelligence and the mob.

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I think people have already forgotten about the church shooting in Minneapolis, the Irana

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stabbing in North Carolina.

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Obviously, Charlie Kirk this morning.

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I'm not sure if you guys saw, but somebody with a sniper shot people at the Dallas ICE

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facility.

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So it seems like this accelerating political violence is definitely going to be used as

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a frame to push and take civil liberties.

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And I think one thing that people forgot, Mark, I think I saw you comment on a tweet

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I put out about this, but right after the Minneapolis shooting, you had some ex-IDF guy on Fox Business News saying that he was ready to deploy Gideon, his AI, pre-crime surveillance tech.

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There's already a Mossad CIA.

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I would argue it's a front.

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It's a company called Gabriel that sells like preventative tech to schools and churches to prevent shootings before they happen.

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If you're interested in reading about them, you can search for Gabriel on Unlimited Hangout.

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But there's been efforts to sort of build up position particular companies for this what I would call pre-crime infrastructure.

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And they in 2019 specifically, they really started selling themselves as preventing mass shootings before they happen.

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One of these companies was Carbine 911, now known as Carbine, which people may remember was financed heavily by Jeffrey Epstein and Leslie Wexner and Ehud Barak used to be the chairman.

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And a lot of, you know, Israeli intelligence people, including like the commander of Unit 8200, were on the board.

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An Epstein associate named Nicole Junkerman was on the board.

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And then they kind of the Epstein Association came out and they tried to distance themselves, yada, yada, yada.

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But they were selling themselves to take over 911 call systems throughout the U.S. and basically sold themselves in 2019 that we can stop mass shootings before they happen or increase response time and all of these things.

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And now they've slowly taken over the 911 call systems of a litany of counties across the United States.

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But after the Epstein stuff came out, they tried to rebrand as more American.

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So they only left one, you know, ex-Israeli intelligence guy that co-founded it, you know, there.

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And they put like Michael Chertoff on the board of advisors who was former DHS.

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And they put one of Trump's previous heads of DHS, Christian Nielsen, I think her name was.

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And then an ex-FBI guy or something to try and, I guess, make it look more American.

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But it's really the same type of program.

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And also Peter Thiel was a big investor in that and now recently published emails from Epstein World that have come out in the first half of this year's show.

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Ehud Barak and Epstein talking about meeting with Peter Thiel specifically about about Carbine.

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And, you know, that's relevant because of, you know, Thiel and Palantir, Palantir being specifically pre-crime focused.

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And what's important, too, is, you know, back at the end of 2019, when all this was going on, Trump was still was in office the first time.

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And all of these, you know, mass shootings were happening and there was an outcry about it, like the El Paso Walmart shooting, for example, and a few other things that took place in a relatively short period of time.

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And what's interesting about that is before those shootings happened, not long before, William Barr, who was attorney general, gave this speech where he basically was like, we need to remove encryption.

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We have to have a federal backdoor into everything encrypted, all encrypted software.

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And we'll eventually get that because what he called a galvanizing event would soon happen that would help reduce Americans' resistance to that policy.

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Right. And then all of these shootings happen. And and then in that same and then not long after that, William Barr makes pre-crime of an official policy of the Department of Justice.

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So he set up the infrastructure to legalize pre-crime at that time in October 2019.

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And so it's been being built on ever since, but they haven't really necessarily made it deployed it massively. Right.

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But they've set up the legal infrastructure to legalize it. And they created a program under which the DOJ has made a few arrests that's called DEEP. It's an acronym. I forget exactly what it stands for. But they've made a few arrests where they've arrested people preemptively for social media posts.

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And then in that same period of time, also, Trump came out as and his touted response to these mass shootings was to have social media sites deploy some sort of software program that would detect shooters before they can act.

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Right. So continuing to build on this pre-crime thing. And at the time he was being pitched in the biggest lobbyists in the administration for it was Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump to create this new agency, a health DARPA or a HARPA.

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They called it in the first program of it that the pilot program of it was called Safe Homes, which is, again, another very long acronym for something that I don't remember.

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Sorry. But basically, the idea of it was to have AI scour American social media posts in mass and then use an algorithm to determine which posts show users exhibiting early neuropsychiatric warning signs.

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And that if they were, you know, flagged, they could be triaged to a variety of solutions like court ordered physicians or psychiatrists.

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It's it's very messed up. So, you know, ultimately, they didn't make Harpa, but Biden made Harpa.

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It's called ARPA-H. And the same architects of the ARPA that was being pitched under Trump ended up being the same architects of Biden's ARPA-H.

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But ARPA-H was sold as a cancer moonshot. We're going to cure cancer with ARPA-H.

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But I mean, ARPA-H is absolutely still around and still has these kinds of of this kind of focus in addition to its health focus.

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Right. So unfortunately, you know, the Trump administration, or at least Trump as a president, has that precedent from his previous administration of responding to concerns about guns by being like we should apply pre-crime to American social media posts and determine who might be a bad actor before they commit any crime.

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And from the civil liberty perspective, this is terrible. And an even greater warning sign is the increasing involvement, which you brought up earlier, Marty, of Palantir in this administration, because Palantir was specifically really created to be a pre-crime entity.

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It is a successor to this post-911 program that was housed in DARPA, Total Information Awareness.

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And it's, you know, been a Palantir since then has been piloting predictive policing, you know, throughout the country.

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I think they first started doing that in the 2014-2015 window.

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So and, you know, they because of their connections with all of, you know, pretty much every U.S. intelligence agency and how much data they hover up and hold on every American.

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having Palantir, you know, be involved in the government so extensively. And also now in like

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your taxes, like their recent partnership with like the IRS and, you know, with mortgages and

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like increasingly getting involved with finances and also, you know, running a lot of major Wall

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Street banks, you know, it could potentially get very, very complicated. And so we're sort of at

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the stage where a lot of this infrastructure is starting to come together. And in order to get

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people to relinquish civil liberties enough to have this kind of predictive policing infrastructure

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be the norm, something really big has to happen. People have to get really angry. And more

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importantly, people have to get really insecure and fearful. Right. And so, you know, I worry that

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this is sort of a, you know, an important moment, an inflection point where they're going to try and

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start pushing us in that direction. A turning point. I was going to say that, but I didn't want

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to. But I mean, well, you know, I mean, you know, Trump and Elon Musk and some of these other

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people explicitly made that, you know, say signaling in their statements around the Charlie

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charlie kirk memorial for example that this is a turning point and all of that um but we don't want

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it to be a turning point where it leads us to a dark um end point right well it's interesting right

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one of the first reactions to the you know the the brutal assassination was you know the putting

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pressure on discord on steam on signal on signal on i think even twitter i think a bunch of the ceos

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or these companies are going to be called to sort of testify about what they can do to sort of

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prevent things like this. And a lot of the, you know, public discourse about the shooting has been

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about, you know, the grooming that takes place on platforms like Discord and, you know, how can the

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feds come in and clean it up with predictive policing, with AI algorithms, with some sort of

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AI moderation, as if feds have never groomed a mass shooter before or anything like that. But

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But let's not get you demonetized.

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But it's whenever I, you know, obviously it's a difficult thing to talk about because we're so close to it.

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No one really has any idea what's going on.

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So I don't necessarily trust the FBI right now not to get put on the list.

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But, you know, I don't know.

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I have no idea what happened.

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It's fucked up.

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It's sad.

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But the reaction is something I can absolutely in the discourse is absolutely something I can comment on. And immediately it went to, you know, these apps, these communication platforms, which are very important for us to be able to organize under, you know, and it's it's dangerous.

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I think it's very scary to me that, you know, the, you know, a few of the platforms left where people can kind of have a somewhat of a public square, you know, they're actually a centralized choke point, just like that California bill you brought up.

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It's like they're not attacking the people writing the stuff on Twitter or YouTube.

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You know, they're attacking the centralized platformers and they can put pressure on them.

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I'm going to fine you $100 million if someone says, you know, something, something, something.

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they're not going to let that happen because it will hurt their bottom line.

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Again, they're private companies.

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You know, they're not necessarily constitutionally protected.

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and I've already started to see it, is, you know, a further, you know, erosion of the

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little public square we have left, which is not a lot.

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up and like they fucking should be everybody should be ginned up right now um but unfortunately

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it seems like we're ginned up at each other and uh well that's the goal right yeah you know

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i would argue uh who are some domestic terrorists that should be gone after i don't know what about

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dick cheney what about leslie wexner who funded jeffrey why can't we investigate them with all

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of the resources of of DHS and you know the Palantir and the the NSA and whatever like why

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can't we go after people like people like that you know but instead it's going to be pointed at

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regular people and what I am concerned about too specifically with like the Antifa branding

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affiliated with Antifa and like there was a zero hedge story that I read talking about the Antifa labeling that basically was conflating like people who are anti fascist but not necessarily associated with the group Antifa as being part of it And that complicated because maybe you someone like me and you don like fascism or communism Right You know fancy

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that would very much, I don't know, bring to fruition the Mussolini style of fascism,

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of corporatism, you know, a fusion of corporate, you know, of corporation and state.

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And you want to criticize that.

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Will you get labeled as, you know, as part of these organizations?

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And people might think that's kind of far off.

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But I mean, think about how the original war of war of terror went, right?

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Where regular people in the U.S. that happened to be Muslim were targeted.

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And even though they had nothing to do with Al Qaeda.

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And now you have the former head of Al Qaeda being given a diplomatic welcome in New York.

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Like, you know, well, that's David Petraeus is like, how are you holding up?

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Former head of Al Qaeda.

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This is insane to me.

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I have this teed up to share because I think it highlights one thing like the 9-11 was an inside job.

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So sorry, Marty.

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You know how I think, yeah. I mean, I think the 9-11 narrative that we've been fed is completely wrong. What happened to Building 7? Nobody wants to talk about Building 7.

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Well, I mean, Americans were told we have to give up all of our freedoms because we have to destroy the people who did this. This is one of the guys that did that.

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yeah and that's that's the point that's why i was like their their narrative when it's convenient

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to push through the patriot act and all these civil liberties infringing directives from the

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government uh they'll they'll run with the narrative but here we are 24 years later

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nobody really cares about al-qaeda anymore it's like hey yeah well that guy uh al-jalani

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or al-jalani who's in charge of syria now the u.s helped put him there it was obama and hillary

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in the Obama administration. It's been aided by every administration since then until Assad was

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overthrown. And they're literal terrorists. And here we are. Now he's in a suit, so it's fine.

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of the CIA. That's hate speech. I better be careful. It's almost so far in your face, too.

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So like building on, it's almost like, all right, command and control.

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We had the Al Qaeda war against terrorism narrative for 20 years, forever war.

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That sort of pittered out.

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And it's like, OK, now we're going to pivot to this domestic terrorism framing the divide people and bringing even more surveillance technology to the country.

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And oh, by the way, as soon as we start doing that, we're going to basically tie a knot in the Al Qaeda thing.

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We're friends now.

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And it's completely weird.

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Can you imagine having lost a family member in 9-11 or having cancer because you were a first responder to 9-11 and watching this happen?

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In New York, too.

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Like, right.

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It was at the U.N., right?

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Yeah. And like they want to let anyone from from Palestine come represent Palestine.

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And no, not like the P.A., you know, or like someone, any any Palestinian diplomat, including the ones that have no affiliation with Hamas at all.

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they were all blocked uh from coming to represent palestine but yeah let's let the al-qaeda guy come

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in that's that's fine it's very weird it's very weird and that's what i think well i mean it just

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means they're full of shit yeah well and that's what i wanted to bring up i mean obviously years

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ago we're talking about agenda 2030 uh as put forth by the world economic forum but if you

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doing the great reset, but I think it's just

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being rebranded.

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Well, Fink's in charge now, right?

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When we came on, I don't know,

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early 2024, maybe.

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Yeah, we wrote this piece called Tokenized Inc

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we called it phase shift dialectics

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and it's like all of a sudden, you know,

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and like everybody's cheering.

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and the Davos elites that were interviewed were like,

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we loved it. He's spank us harder. Daddy Malay, you know, I mean, that doesn't make any sense if

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that. OK, right. It doesn't happen that quickly. The switch doesn't go like that. Also, by the way,

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he did not get rid of the central bank and now we're going to bail them out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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A lot of issues there. But yeah, I mean, like, think, you know, he's like Mr. ESG, basically.

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And then he pivots, becomes a Bitcoin maxi and, you know, starts leaning into a lot of this,

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you know, kind of like freedom rhetoric or whatever.

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Now he's running the WEF.

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Now he's running the WEF.

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BlackRock and talking about Aladdin, which was, you know, this computer system built

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system for like the whole financial system.

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It's brought up in Adam Curtis's hypernormalization.

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Aladdin is a very interesting data farm, and I believe in the Washington area.

390
00:35:55,885 --> 00:35:57,905
And it's really interesting.

391
00:35:58,865 --> 00:36:07,605
It connected a dot for me that I had never really connected before about how – why are they pushing these ESG things?

392
00:36:07,605 --> 00:36:15,145
and the way that I kind of understood it in the context of this was, you know, because Aladdin is

393
00:36:15,145 --> 00:36:21,545
actually this financial instrument that helps put, you know, does risk analysis for all of these big

394
00:36:21,545 --> 00:36:26,585
index funds and all these big traders and VC firms that are, you know, sloshing around, you know,

395
00:36:26,585 --> 00:36:31,145
the biggest, most liquid market in the world in the US dollar, like derivatives and futures and

396
00:36:31,145 --> 00:36:38,105
funds indexes. And, you know, ESG is actually really this way. If they create an ESG score,

397
00:36:38,305 --> 00:36:44,165
this like social credit system, and they say, you know, you know, if you're using too much of your

398
00:36:44,165 --> 00:36:49,885
own power or, you know, you have this infrastructure that is really bad for the environment, but you're

399
00:36:49,885 --> 00:36:54,385
actually like an independent, you know, company that can kind of survive on its own because you

400
00:36:54,385 --> 00:37:00,425
have the infrastructure you need to survive. You're not dependent on, you know, maybe less

401
00:37:00,425 --> 00:37:10,305
resilient green energy or whatever, they can actually literally pick and choose which companies

402
00:37:10,305 --> 00:37:18,305
survive via this algorithmic financial market. And they can say, if you don't have a high enough ESG

403
00:37:18,305 --> 00:37:23,705
score, then we're not going to put you in these indexes. We're not going to tell people to buy

404
00:37:23,705 --> 00:37:28,665
your funds and you get a low score in Aladdin, which runs fucking everything. And so in reality,

405
00:37:28,665 --> 00:37:43,565
They're actually picking and choosing companies that have a less chance of being independent and pushing back from, you know, whatever sort of totalitarianism market, you know, WEF agenda structure stuff that we're starting to see be implemented under a right rhetoric.

406
00:37:43,685 --> 00:37:53,865
So these companies that are actually able to get through, have a high enough ESG score, play by Daddy Fink's rules, they're actually going to be a lot less independent.

407
00:37:53,865 --> 00:38:00,625
so they are able to financialize companies that don't have as much independence and therefore

408
00:38:00,625 --> 00:38:05,625
can't really push back against the state which has you know kind of gone into these you know

409
00:38:05,625 --> 00:38:10,945
private wells everywhere and aladdin is just like this humongous thing that no one ever talks about

410
00:38:10,945 --> 00:38:15,865
and it has such huge effects um for like how they're going to implement this stuff and i think

411
00:38:15,865 --> 00:38:21,705
it's really not that surprising unfortunately that you know fink is now you know co-chair

412
00:38:21,705 --> 00:38:29,725
of the forum and he's also the guy who has more control over anybody else via his firm and via

413
00:38:29,725 --> 00:38:37,065
this analytics you know empire to pick and choose winners of the future economy so it's like they're

414
00:38:37,065 --> 00:38:46,165
using the guise of you know free market uh you know libertarianism to actually enact and actualize

415
00:38:46,165 --> 00:38:52,165
all of the ESG shit, all the WEF stuff, all the shit that is really scary that we end up having

416
00:38:52,165 --> 00:38:58,785
these sort of companies that are reliant on state power companies and state data centers and all

417
00:38:58,785 --> 00:39:03,465
this stuff, and they really don't have any ability to push back, then those companies are the ones

418
00:39:03,465 --> 00:39:08,265
that get choke pointed by free speech. They're the ones that are running YouTube, Facebook,

419
00:39:08,605 --> 00:39:14,665
all of these companies that choose to, they want to be winners. So they play ball and now they have

420
00:39:14,665 --> 00:39:19,625
no grounds to stand, you know, when when things get crunched down.

421
00:39:19,625 --> 00:39:23,565
And we're seeing that now that the crunch is really happening from the state.

422
00:39:23,745 --> 00:39:27,665
And there's a slow erosion of civil liberties via financial incentives.

423
00:39:27,665 --> 00:39:32,625
And, you know, that's something that, you know, Bitcoiners and freedom based people

424
00:39:32,625 --> 00:39:33,865
have talked about for so long.

425
00:39:33,985 --> 00:39:38,005
This erosion of constitutional rights will be done through financial incentives.

426
00:39:38,005 --> 00:39:39,925
Well, how do they actually do it now?

427
00:39:39,985 --> 00:39:44,505
They have all these mechanisms to really pick and choose and make sure only companies that

428
00:39:44,505 --> 00:39:50,365
have no chance of pushing back are the ones that get, you know, all the money and the ones that

429
00:39:50,365 --> 00:39:55,585
get all the resources from a financialization standpoint. And nowadays, it's all about

430
00:39:55,585 --> 00:40:00,485
financialization. I mean, there's really like companies nowadays, it doesn't even fucking

431
00:40:00,485 --> 00:40:05,045
matter how much money you make. It's like what your stock price is. And, you know, if you're

432
00:40:05,045 --> 00:40:10,345
included in the S&P 500 or not, if you're in such and such index fund or not, if the traders like

433
00:40:10,345 --> 00:40:14,745
you, if there's a meme, if someone, some influencer is shilling your stock.

434
00:40:14,845 --> 00:40:20,245
I mean, it's, we've gone into such this, we financialize finance in such a ludicrous

435
00:40:20,245 --> 00:40:23,165
way that now it's really all algorithmic driven.

436
00:40:23,545 --> 00:40:25,105
And who controls the algorithms?

437
00:40:25,105 --> 00:40:26,365
There's not that many people.

438
00:40:26,505 --> 00:40:28,025
It's a really small group of people.

439
00:40:28,025 --> 00:40:30,265
It's the Finks, it's the Carps, it's the Teals.

440
00:40:31,705 --> 00:40:36,245
And now they're all sitting on top of the biggest think tanks and basically in the White

441
00:40:36,245 --> 00:40:36,545
House.

442
00:40:37,545 --> 00:40:42,105
So, you know, now we're kind of going to see the fruits of that work.

443
00:40:42,365 --> 00:40:44,625
And hopefully we don't.

444
00:40:44,705 --> 00:40:50,825
I think I started this rant talking about left and right being jimmied up against each other and not against the guys shaking the jar.

445
00:40:51,225 --> 00:40:53,965
And it's like we know what they're going to do.

446
00:40:54,345 --> 00:40:55,565
We know what they've built.

447
00:40:55,985 --> 00:40:58,525
They've told us their policies that they want to implement.

448
00:40:58,525 --> 00:41:01,125
You know, it was just Klaus Schwab in his fucking robe.

449
00:41:01,485 --> 00:41:02,945
And he told us what he wanted to do.

450
00:41:02,945 --> 00:41:06,565
and we just sort of forgot because we just assumed he's gone now.

451
00:41:06,985 --> 00:41:09,385
But it's like, no, they're going to implement all these things.

452
00:41:09,425 --> 00:41:10,345
It's going to be digital ID.

453
00:41:10,425 --> 00:41:12,345
It's going to be carbon credit scores.

454
00:41:12,585 --> 00:41:14,465
It's going to be erosion of free speech.

455
00:41:14,465 --> 00:41:16,025
And now they can actually do it.

456
00:41:16,185 --> 00:41:17,125
They are doing it.

457
00:41:17,125 --> 00:41:21,905
And they're going to keep using legitimate crises or manufactured ones

458
00:41:21,905 --> 00:41:24,725
to keep slowly eroding the shore we have.

459
00:41:24,725 --> 00:41:26,865
And it's also a big part of the WEF's push, right,

460
00:41:26,905 --> 00:41:30,705
was the fourth industrial revolution, which is this push into transhumanism.

461
00:41:30,705 --> 00:41:50,705
And the so-called libertarian elites behind people like J.D. Vance and that have been really involved with the Trump administration this cycle are very overtly transhumanist and think that the only way forward is to basically merge with machines, which, you know, in practice is not really that different.

462
00:41:50,705 --> 00:42:07,205
And, you know, I really wish that more people that actually cared about liberty and civil liberties and freedom and individual sovereignty would actually pay attention to the political philosophies of people like Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin.

463
00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:19,205
Nick Land, who was a, you know, one of the main influences on Mark Andreessen's techno-optimist manifesto, because they're not libertarian.

464
00:42:19,205 --> 00:42:22,905
And I mean, it's bonkers to me that people I mean, I guess they self define as that.

465
00:42:22,985 --> 00:42:28,605
But I think it's in the same. I mean, it's a wolf in sheep's clothing for them to self define like that.

466
00:42:28,605 --> 00:42:41,005
And I think people haven't really looked very closely at what these people want, because, you know, in the case of someone like like Jarvan, who's very close with Peter Thiel and has influenced tremendously his political philosophy.

467
00:42:41,005 --> 00:42:49,465
I mean, basically, you know, and this is kind of common with how a lot of the stuff we've been talking about recently works.

468
00:42:49,605 --> 00:42:55,685
You know, they'll accurately talk about how the system sucks and people are like, yeah, the system does suck, you know.

469
00:42:56,585 --> 00:42:58,245
But then they get around to their solutions.

470
00:42:58,245 --> 00:43:07,465
And then, you know, when people like agree with your diagnosis of the problem, they'll be like more inclined to get on board with your solutions.

471
00:43:07,465 --> 00:43:14,225
So, you know, with with Curtis Yarvin, it's basically about creating turning the U.S. into a corporate monopoly.

472
00:43:14,785 --> 00:43:18,545
So it's about deconstructing the existing state in the cathedral and all of that.

473
00:43:18,925 --> 00:43:24,605
And then once sufficiently deconstructed, you know, sufficiently basically completely privatized the state.

474
00:43:25,025 --> 00:43:29,865
But in doing so, you're not going to limit or eliminate the authoritarian powers of the state.

475
00:43:29,865 --> 00:43:37,445
You will keep them. And then you'll basically have a CEO of that SovCorp, Sovereign Corporation.

476
00:43:37,465 --> 00:43:42,985
or whatever, a gov corp, a government corporation, run everything as a dictator.

477
00:43:44,125 --> 00:43:47,185
I don't think that sounds very liberty maximizing to me.

478
00:43:47,585 --> 00:43:53,525
And there's a quote from Jarvan that is very, I mean, honestly, it's something Klaus Schwab

479
00:43:53,525 --> 00:43:54,225
could have said.

480
00:43:54,685 --> 00:43:59,485
I'll read it to you, Marty, because I wanted to make sure that I had it verbatim right

481
00:43:59,485 --> 00:44:01,425
so no one can be like, he never said that.

482
00:44:01,485 --> 00:44:02,585
No, he absolutely did.

483
00:44:02,585 --> 00:44:10,505
This is his opinion on what should be done with undesirable elements of society or adults who are not productive members of society.

484
00:44:10,985 --> 00:44:15,625
He said, quote, our goal in short is a humane alternative to genocide.

485
00:44:16,065 --> 00:44:29,465
That is, the ideal solution achieves the same result as mass murder, i.e. in parentheses, the removal of undesirable elements from society, in parentheses, but without any of the moral stigma.

486
00:44:30,185 --> 00:44:40,105
The best humane alternative to genocide I can think of is not to liquidate the wards, meaning people, either metaphorically or literally, but to virtualize them.

487
00:44:40,105 --> 00:44:49,045
A virtualized human is in permanent solitary confinement, waxed like a bee larva into a cell which is sealed except for emergencies.

488
00:44:49,045 --> 00:45:01,445
This would drive him insane, except that the cell contains an immersive virtual reality interface that allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.

489
00:45:03,205 --> 00:45:06,025
Live in the pod, live in the multiverse.

490
00:45:07,265 --> 00:45:07,545
Yeah.

491
00:45:07,925 --> 00:45:09,805
Who decides if you're undesirable?

492
00:45:10,385 --> 00:45:12,245
The corporate monarch on top.

493
00:45:12,245 --> 00:45:13,985
I've met Curtis in person.

494
00:45:13,985 --> 00:45:21,765
I actually went to two of the four-part lecture series of Peter Thiel's Antichrist series in Austin.

495
00:45:22,185 --> 00:45:22,785
Oh, shit.

496
00:45:23,245 --> 00:45:23,825
What was it like?

497
00:45:23,845 --> 00:45:24,505
You got invited?

498
00:45:25,185 --> 00:45:25,525
Yeah.

499
00:45:25,805 --> 00:45:25,985
Whoa.

500
00:45:27,505 --> 00:45:28,265
By a friend.

501
00:45:28,385 --> 00:45:29,365
They did it at UATX.

502
00:45:29,445 --> 00:45:30,345
And it was actually interesting.

503
00:45:30,545 --> 00:45:39,305
And I think people think the way he thinks the Antichrist is going to be some 33-year-old and something we should look out for.

504
00:45:39,485 --> 00:45:40,245
And the way he framed it.

505
00:45:40,245 --> 00:45:42,285
33-year-old who said that ain't interesting.

506
00:45:42,285 --> 00:45:46,485
The Antichrist has to be around the same age as Jesus is his thesis.

507
00:45:46,485 --> 00:45:48,945
And it was very interesting.

508
00:45:48,945 --> 00:46:01,097
I met Curtis in person too And I think he got a very Hoppian view What you describe as a corporate monopoly dictatorship he would describe as like we need to get back to monarchy which I don think I agree with I think we need more

509
00:46:02,137 --> 00:46:03,817
I mean, that's not libertarian.

510
00:46:03,977 --> 00:46:04,918
You see what I'm saying?

511
00:46:05,057 --> 00:46:06,797
Like a monarchy isn't libertarian.

512
00:46:06,957 --> 00:46:08,698
It isn't liberty maximizing.

513
00:46:09,657 --> 00:46:14,698
It does not reduce or remove the authoritarian power of the state.

514
00:46:16,037 --> 00:46:17,737
There would still be under a monarchy.

515
00:46:17,737 --> 00:46:23,198
there's still like tariffs and regulations and all of these things that libertarians don't like.

516
00:46:23,737 --> 00:46:28,137
I don't see how it's libertarian. Yeah, no. I mean, I think the argument, I'm not going to speak

517
00:46:28,137 --> 00:46:32,317
for him, but I think the gist of what I understand, I'm not saying I completely agree with, like,

518
00:46:32,317 --> 00:46:37,297
I don't think it's pragmatic in the sense that it could actually be implemented. But I think his

519
00:46:37,297 --> 00:46:43,057
view would be is that monarchs, if they're actually doing their job right, and they're

520
00:46:43,057 --> 00:46:46,677
incentivized to do their job right, because the people will kill them if they don't. And so they're

521
00:46:46,677 --> 00:46:50,377
like I'm just giving the sort of the reaction is monarch.

522
00:46:50,977 --> 00:46:51,517
Yeah.

523
00:46:51,517 --> 00:46:55,017
But at the same time, if you do that in today's world,

524
00:46:55,418 --> 00:46:58,457
you know, and someone like Peter Thiel has Palantir around,

525
00:46:59,597 --> 00:47:02,057
no one gets to kill the monarch when he does a bad job.

526
00:47:02,757 --> 00:47:04,237
Yeah, no, I completely agree.

527
00:47:04,237 --> 00:47:06,637
It's not pragmatic for today's day and age.

528
00:47:06,637 --> 00:47:08,637
Like I think we get back to

529
00:47:09,597 --> 00:47:11,877
like Holy Roman Empire.

530
00:47:11,877 --> 00:47:12,938
You think that?

531
00:47:12,938 --> 00:47:14,297
Levels of distribution.

532
00:47:14,297 --> 00:47:16,237
Like if you go back to the Holy Roman Empire

533
00:47:16,237 --> 00:47:18,317
and you have like very, very small city states.

534
00:47:18,777 --> 00:47:20,457
I think that is.

535
00:47:20,817 --> 00:47:24,177
Wasn't it still kind of feudalist though?

536
00:47:24,177 --> 00:47:24,657
It was.

537
00:47:24,777 --> 00:47:25,177
It was.

538
00:47:25,237 --> 00:47:26,837
I'm talking about from like a state structure-wide.

539
00:47:26,977 --> 00:47:29,157
Like I'm talking to get more distributed, more decentralized,

540
00:47:29,438 --> 00:47:30,617
like here in the United States.

541
00:47:30,737 --> 00:47:32,398
But without the feudalism, right?

542
00:47:32,477 --> 00:47:32,698
Yeah.

543
00:47:33,057 --> 00:47:33,357
Okay.

544
00:47:33,477 --> 00:47:36,398
Well, to me, it's interesting the way that technology plays a role

545
00:47:36,398 --> 00:47:40,357
in the like decentralization and then re-centralization

546
00:47:40,357 --> 00:47:44,237
and then like the state is always kind of fluctuating like that.

547
00:47:44,237 --> 00:47:49,177
and like i mean it's an analogy that's been made a bunch of times but like the idea of like the

548
00:47:49,177 --> 00:47:55,777
gunpowder revolution being a decentralizing thing at first you know because it's like you want to go

549
00:47:55,777 --> 00:47:59,997
kill the monarch well now i got a fucking musket and i can go in there and shoot you or whatever

550
00:47:59,997 --> 00:48:07,557
and it like decentralized the monopoly on violence but then they got really good at making gunpowder

551
00:48:07,557 --> 00:48:14,757
and then, you know, F-16s and whatever, and, you know, drones and surveillance technology and all

552
00:48:14,757 --> 00:48:20,698
these things. And then that like monopoly was reinstated by the furthering of that technology.

553
00:48:20,698 --> 00:48:25,957
So while it was something that initially decentralized power and did lead to like

554
00:48:25,957 --> 00:48:30,357
uprisings of, you know, you know, people in the feudal system being able to, you know,

555
00:48:30,357 --> 00:48:35,677
get out of it because they could go blam blam. Good luck reloading your musket fast enough,

556
00:48:35,677 --> 00:48:41,457
you know as one monarch to kill 50 peasants or whatever like good luck but then as the technology

557
00:48:41,457 --> 00:48:46,317
grew on it became re-centralizing and i think we're seeing that with communication tech and

558
00:48:46,317 --> 00:48:52,398
we're seeing that with um you know financial tech because initially all these things did

559
00:48:52,398 --> 00:48:59,057
distribute power like the internet in the 90s was fucking awesome the internet in the early 2000s

560
00:48:59,057 --> 00:49:05,398
was fucking amazing it was cool there was tons of crazy shit happening it was really creative

561
00:49:05,398 --> 00:49:16,438
There was like, you know, I was like a big gamer in that time and like playing Counter-Strike and user map settings and mods and fucking StarCraft and, you know, downloading ROMs and things.

562
00:49:16,677 --> 00:49:17,037
Zerg Rush.

563
00:49:17,517 --> 00:49:18,218
Yeah, exactly.

564
00:49:18,398 --> 00:49:21,317
Like there was vernacular being made.

565
00:49:21,477 --> 00:49:22,817
There was connections being made.

566
00:49:22,918 --> 00:49:24,557
There was a really cool thing.

567
00:49:24,617 --> 00:49:28,017
And I think I said this actually on the show before, but it's like we built the Internet.

568
00:49:28,218 --> 00:49:28,877
It was the people.

569
00:49:29,057 --> 00:49:30,637
It was very, yes, it was a DARPA project.

570
00:49:30,637 --> 00:49:35,837
but then it spread out and it you know all the the communication early on in the internet the

571
00:49:35,837 --> 00:49:41,117
cool content was like made by us it was made by like cool people online and that was very cool

572
00:49:41,117 --> 00:49:47,557
and now we're seeing it like re-centralize and now it's like the internet to like six billion

573
00:49:47,557 --> 00:49:52,517
people in the world like is facebook and like that's not the fucking internet like that sucks

574
00:49:52,517 --> 00:49:58,997
going back to aol yeah exactly like we've gone back to the aol home page um but without the like

575
00:49:58,997 --> 00:50:04,757
disturbing chat rooms and interesting shit going on you know now it's just like the most like

576
00:50:04,757 --> 00:50:11,577
sanitized you know uh corpo approved content and now we're seeing yeah communication tech

577
00:50:11,577 --> 00:50:16,037
has kind of re-centralized and i think kind of unfortunately like i don't know how it's all

578
00:50:16,037 --> 00:50:20,797
going to play out but i think we're kind of seeing that with financial tech too where like

579
00:50:20,797 --> 00:50:25,517
a lot of the stuff that was going on at the beginning of the sort of digital financial

580
00:50:25,517 --> 00:50:32,577
revolution like was pretty uh revolutionary and like it was amazing that you could generate

581
00:50:32,577 --> 00:50:40,698
coins meaningfully with like a cpu and be able to you know transact you know with like very little

582
00:50:40,698 --> 00:50:46,377
bandwidth very little storage space uh and very little processing power and being able to have

583
00:50:46,377 --> 00:50:52,457
like a swiss bank on your you know dell or whatever now it's like kind of re-centralizing

584
00:50:52,457 --> 00:51:01,457
And a lot of the peer to peer stuff that was so cool about the promise of the early revolution is like everyone's just going to trusted custodians.

585
00:51:02,357 --> 00:51:05,898
Like I'm not saying everybody. I'm not saying I'm not a doomer about it.

586
00:51:05,938 --> 00:51:07,717
I think there are people doing cool stuff.

587
00:51:08,097 --> 00:51:14,457
But my fear is that we've seen a cycle of technology dissolving power and then recentralizing it to an even smaller.

588
00:51:15,777 --> 00:51:19,877
You know, the U.S. empire is the biggest monopoly of violence in the world.

589
00:51:19,877 --> 00:51:25,918
yes the gunpowder revolution decentralized power from feudal lords to the peasants but now it's

590
00:51:25,918 --> 00:51:33,577
re-centralized to you know f-16s b-52s b-2s whatever you know no one's fucking with that

591
00:51:33,577 --> 00:51:37,117
now we have drone tech and all the stuff it's going to just even further centralize where

592
00:51:37,117 --> 00:51:45,297
good luck uh you know when we have ai drones going around taking out um you know people before they do

593
00:51:45,297 --> 00:51:49,938
something bad because they've profiled them successfully, like good luck fighting back

594
00:51:49,938 --> 00:51:56,137
against that power. We've seen this time and time again, this devolving decentralization,

595
00:51:56,277 --> 00:52:00,498
re-centralization. And I think we're seeing it with communication tech. I think we're already

596
00:52:00,498 --> 00:52:07,037
kind of there. The internet is way less free than it used to be. And I'm fearful of that happening

597
00:52:07,037 --> 00:52:12,177
with financial tech because I think the way you dictate human behavior is with financial incentives.

598
00:52:12,177 --> 00:52:30,217
Like that's how you do it. And so if they want to really dictate human behavior, they've got the content stuff kind of down. They're doing pretty good with that. But now you affect monetization, you affect their bank accounts, you affect income streams, you inflate the fuck out of the dollar, which is obviously happening and about to happen.

599
00:52:30,217 --> 00:52:34,257
You get everybody on the globe onboarded onto the dollar with stable coins.

600
00:52:34,457 --> 00:52:36,457
Then you inflate the fuck out of the dollar.

601
00:52:36,977 --> 00:52:43,337
And then it's like, OK, well, you have your wallet and we'll send you 2000 bucks a month if you conform and do all these things.

602
00:52:43,398 --> 00:52:46,337
And they can really centralize monetary policy.

603
00:52:47,177 --> 00:52:55,317
Like it's ironic, like the end result of cryptocurrency might literally be the U.S. Treasury runs the entire financial system.

604
00:52:55,418 --> 00:52:57,998
Yeah, well, that's how you get your new world currency.

605
00:52:57,998 --> 00:52:58,977
We're not going to let it happen.

606
00:52:59,097 --> 00:52:59,977
We're not going to let it happen.

607
00:52:59,977 --> 00:53:00,877
Yeah, yeah.

608
00:53:01,237 --> 00:53:02,357
I mean, we can't.

609
00:53:02,457 --> 00:53:04,757
I mean, we can't because there's no coming back from it.

610
00:53:05,117 --> 00:53:06,097
Like that's, yeah.

611
00:53:06,377 --> 00:53:06,938
Sorry, go for it.

612
00:53:06,938 --> 00:53:11,757
We got to tie this back to the expansion of the Patriot Act because I don't think we touched on that enough.

613
00:53:11,757 --> 00:53:18,377
And that was like with David Sachs and Bill Hines before he left for Tether.

614
00:53:18,757 --> 00:53:25,857
They obviously had that 180-day period where we need a brief on the state of the crypto landscape and what we're going to do from a policy perspective.

615
00:53:25,857 --> 00:53:31,217
And they snuck that blurb, I believe, on page 167 of a 300-page report.

616
00:53:31,438 --> 00:53:39,297
There was two sections where we recommend that you expand the Patriot Act to include a sixth condition, I think is how they call it.

617
00:53:39,297 --> 00:53:45,857
I think there's five conditions that the Patriot Act sort of looks for when it pertains to financial information.

618
00:53:46,817 --> 00:53:50,438
They're like, we need to expand, create a sixth condition for digital assets.

619
00:53:50,438 --> 00:54:02,017
And I mean, it's just completely tone deaf from the administration where it's like, no, we're a bunch of people who would like to repeal the Patriot Act, repeal the Bank Secrecy Act.

620
00:54:02,017 --> 00:54:13,938
And then you had comments on the Hill, I believe, two or three weeks ago from FinCEN and the Treasury talking about what they want to do to sort of codify the sixth condition.

621
00:54:13,938 --> 00:54:19,477
And they talked about eliminating the ability for individuals to coin join,

622
00:54:20,317 --> 00:54:25,817
eliminating the ability for individuals to do sort of delayed transaction broadcasting,

623
00:54:25,817 --> 00:54:33,097
which is a good tried and true best practice for broadcasting on-chain Bitcoin transactions.

624
00:54:33,257 --> 00:54:37,957
And the one asinine thing that really is like a signal like, holy crap,

625
00:54:37,998 --> 00:54:43,918
they're trying to really screw this up for people is like you can't have single-use addresses.

626
00:54:43,938 --> 00:54:48,137
which is best practice you don't want to be sending bitcoin to the same address and they're

627
00:54:48,137 --> 00:54:53,257
like we don't like the practice of people creating single use addresses when they're receiving bitcoin

628
00:54:53,257 --> 00:54:58,277
that that tells us that they're doing something nefarious when that is literally best practice

629
00:54:58,277 --> 00:55:02,517
what people have been recommended to do since xpubs became a thing over 10 years ago

630
00:55:02,517 --> 00:55:09,617
yeah see i mean this is why it's important with the talking about the war on domestic terror war

631
00:55:09,617 --> 00:55:14,797
of terror stuff because a lot of this is justified of we a lot of the stuff that's been or rhetoric

632
00:55:14,797 --> 00:55:22,418
that's been used to justify uh targeting uh you know improved privacy on transactions has been oh

633
00:55:22,418 --> 00:55:27,557
it could be used to finance terrorism or it could be money laundering but you know who's the biggest

634
00:55:27,557 --> 00:55:32,597
financer of terrorism and the biggest money launderer in the world uh well it's probably

635
00:55:32,597 --> 00:55:37,617
it's probably um just you know the u.s government and its allied governments

636
00:55:37,617 --> 00:55:41,398
in their national security states that have documented.

637
00:55:41,398 --> 00:55:47,037
I mean, there's so much evidence of them doing that for a very, very long time through a variety of banks.

638
00:55:48,477 --> 00:55:56,017
And, you know, in the digital era, they're probably using entities like that for those same purposes as well.

639
00:55:56,137 --> 00:55:57,737
I would be shocked if they were not.

640
00:55:59,517 --> 00:56:05,477
And this is about censoring or preventing regular people from having privacy.

641
00:56:05,477 --> 00:56:10,957
just like how i said earlier bill barr being like we want access to everyone's encrypted stuff we

642
00:56:10,957 --> 00:56:16,977
don't want encryption to really exist um at least as it relates to the federal government you know

643
00:56:16,977 --> 00:56:22,537
maybe there's encryption between you know me and mark and me and you marty right but like the

644
00:56:22,537 --> 00:56:25,957
government would have a back door into whatever it wants and that's what they want for financial

645
00:56:25,957 --> 00:56:31,757
transactions um too and also you know you have to keep in mind you know data is the new oil they

646
00:56:31,757 --> 00:56:36,957
want to harvest as much data from us as possible. If financial transactions are walled off and they

647
00:56:36,957 --> 00:56:41,237
can't take that data, they don't like that. And it's an important part of them being able to

648
00:56:41,237 --> 00:56:45,597
profile you. I mean, a lot of the stuff that's in your NSA file or whatever, and what they've sucked

649
00:56:45,597 --> 00:56:51,817
up through all the warrantless spying for decades now, a lot of it is financial transactional stuff.

650
00:56:52,898 --> 00:56:57,998
And I don't think they have any interest in having that change. But now as we see this

651
00:56:57,998 --> 00:57:05,217
you know, apparent effort to sort of regen up war on domestic terror rhetoric. We need this to stop

652
00:57:05,217 --> 00:57:11,217
Antifa and the dark money going into these radical left organizations, this and that. I mean, be

653
00:57:11,217 --> 00:57:16,597
careful there because they may be pushing for the same stuff and say it's to stop all these groups,

654
00:57:17,157 --> 00:57:24,498
you know, but ultimately it is less financial freedom for everyone. Right. And even if you do

655
00:57:24,498 --> 00:57:31,077
subscribe to the two-party system like in earnest it's like let's not set precedent to go after

656
00:57:31,077 --> 00:57:37,257
leftist groups really hard and then you know it's fucking Gavin Newsom running this shit and he comes

657
00:57:37,257 --> 00:57:42,237
in and starts going after all the all these right groups like even if you do subscribe to that it's

658
00:57:42,237 --> 00:57:48,297
a very dangerous because I mean they'll change perception and pivot uh whenever it's it's

659
00:57:48,297 --> 00:57:53,837
convenient for them and they'll use it to enact really disgusting dangerous you know even acts of

660
00:57:53,837 --> 00:57:56,977
war. Like, let's like, what are they doing in Venezuela right now? It's like, they're like,

661
00:57:57,037 --> 00:58:01,637
oh my God, all the drugs are pouring in from Venezuela. Let's go bomb these people. It's like,

662
00:58:01,677 --> 00:58:07,617
as if the U S government hasn't been bringing in drugs and trafficking drugs in the United States

663
00:58:07,617 --> 00:58:12,777
and financing their like black book operations. Like, oh, now we got to go blow up a fishing boat

664
00:58:12,777 --> 00:58:18,498
in Venezuela and start like an act of war and have like, it's, it's just absurd. Um, I guess

665
00:58:18,498 --> 00:58:22,297
maybe they figured out another way to finance black book operations using cryptocurrency,

666
00:58:22,297 --> 00:58:23,977
but maybe they don't need the drug trade anymore.

667
00:58:23,977 --> 00:58:25,517
Oh, they're keeping the Ukraine war going.

668
00:58:25,837 --> 00:58:27,117
So that's all, you know.

669
00:58:27,198 --> 00:58:27,757
Right, sure.

670
00:58:27,877 --> 00:58:31,097
But it's like they will take something that they'll entrench

671
00:58:31,097 --> 00:58:35,577
and they'll use to, you know, to make a law

672
00:58:35,577 --> 00:58:38,457
or to do a thing, you know, a decade ago.

673
00:58:38,857 --> 00:58:39,757
And then in the future,

674
00:58:39,817 --> 00:58:42,217
they'll use the exact opposite of that thing to enforce,

675
00:58:42,457 --> 00:58:44,297
you know, whatever the hell they want.

676
00:58:44,357 --> 00:58:46,217
So it's like, we have enough evidence now

677
00:58:46,217 --> 00:58:48,717
of this ping pong back and forth.

678
00:58:48,717 --> 00:58:50,898
These ping pongs used to be generational

679
00:58:50,898 --> 00:58:57,677
where we would see, you know, you know, parties literally just switch entirely, you know,

680
00:58:57,717 --> 00:59:02,737
the Dems and the Republicans basically switched, you know, in the in the Kennedy era, like,

681
00:59:02,737 --> 00:59:06,377
you know, and before, you know, what side they were really on in terms of kind of traditional

682
00:59:06,377 --> 00:59:10,918
left, right, that switched, that used to be a generational thing, you wouldn't see that in

683
00:59:10,918 --> 00:59:18,857
your lifetime. Our fucking generation is getting onslaughted with just back and forth. We're in

684
00:59:18,857 --> 00:59:24,457
this you know like we we kind of said you know last time we were on we're like we're entering

685
00:59:24,457 --> 00:59:31,077
this fucking you know a cyclone and the hyper normalization of everything is going to be super

686
00:59:31,077 --> 00:59:36,377
destabilizing and discombobulating on purpose and they're going to use it to push a whole bunch of

687
00:59:36,377 --> 00:59:42,198
shit and it's going to be really crazy it's been even crazier than i possibly thought it could be

688
00:59:42,198 --> 00:59:47,077
with with like how fast things are going back and forth and moving and just like i mean that just

689
00:59:47,077 --> 00:59:52,498
this administration alone i mean does it feel like it's been nine months i mean i feel like it's been

690
00:59:52,498 --> 01:00:01,117
like two years oh my god yeah yeah and it's like i wrote a newsletter like the week after charlie

691
01:00:01,117 --> 01:00:05,957
kirk like don't focus on the negative focus on the good coming out of that and i think when it

692
01:00:05,957 --> 01:00:12,097
comes to all this discussion like particularly the war on domestic terror like the signal to me that

693
01:00:12,097 --> 01:00:15,297
we're going in the right direction is when you're actually attacking the core of the problem which i

694
01:00:15,297 --> 01:00:20,237
think is people are doped up on SSRIs that are driving them crazy. The food's bad,

695
01:00:20,817 --> 01:00:27,457
their health's bad. And you're not actually, we're not actually, um, getting to the other

696
01:00:27,457 --> 01:00:30,637
core of the problem, the predominant core of the problem, which is the economic situation.

697
01:00:30,637 --> 01:00:36,157
Like people are all pissed off because they can't sustain a quality of life that, that

698
01:00:36,157 --> 01:00:40,498
their parents and grandparents were able to, and that's going to drive people to the streets and

699
01:00:40,498 --> 01:00:46,377
they're going to have sort of yeah but they don't want they don't want another like occupy wall

700
01:00:46,377 --> 01:00:51,337
street thing when people realize that they're still getting you know exactly by bankers right

701
01:00:51,337 --> 01:00:56,217
that's what we need to anchor people to focus on the core problems like it's right it's economic

702
01:00:56,217 --> 01:01:03,777
quality of life uh wealth gap totally yeah and um i would add that our government is run by

703
01:01:03,777 --> 01:01:05,097
organized crime

704
01:01:05,097 --> 01:01:07,438
who were also the bankers

705
01:01:07,438 --> 01:01:10,097
basically and they don't

706
01:01:10,097 --> 01:01:10,577
want

707
01:01:10,577 --> 01:01:13,777
freedom for the plebs

708
01:01:13,824 --> 01:01:26,104
Yeah, it's like, let's hyper focus on like, how do we get the plebs to give their freedoms away to us and we'll tell them that they're getting all of these things, you know, better security, no crime.

709
01:01:26,104 --> 01:01:27,444
And also like, etc.

710
01:01:27,664 --> 01:01:37,244
Who like people have really bad quality of life for all the reasons why you just said, I would say I agree, you know, it's a bit of a cop out sometimes, but I kind of think it's true.

711
01:01:37,304 --> 01:01:40,124
It's like, well, the dollar has just inflated so much.

712
01:01:40,224 --> 01:01:41,304
No one can save any money.

713
01:01:41,504 --> 01:01:42,204
Wages suck.

714
01:01:42,404 --> 01:01:43,384
Everything's more expensive.

715
01:01:43,824 --> 01:01:47,484
Everyone is like it's just the pot is boiling.

716
01:01:48,364 --> 01:01:52,844
And really, instead of blaming the people that caused the situation in the first place.

717
01:01:52,844 --> 01:01:54,584
Right. Like this was an issue I had.

718
01:01:55,264 --> 01:02:01,964
You know, I hate both parties, but this was an issue I had with some of the people that were giving a free pass to Trump for 2.0.

719
01:02:02,024 --> 01:02:04,284
It's like he printed a ton of money and locked everybody down.

720
01:02:04,284 --> 01:02:12,964
But like he was a big part of the bailouts the first time around the going direct plan, which you could argue maybe was even the point of the pandemic was to print a ton of money.

721
01:02:12,964 --> 01:02:19,904
when the repo market fails in fall 2019 and then shut everything down uh so there's no demand and

722
01:02:19,904 --> 01:02:24,424
we print trillions of dollars and hand it to blackrock basically but like we're all focusing on

723
01:02:24,424 --> 01:02:33,304
not the issues a and not the cause of the issues b and then c we're focusing on like oh it's like

724
01:02:33,304 --> 01:02:39,744
armed mentally ill transsexuals that are the that's why my life sucks you know it's like no

725
01:02:39,744 --> 01:02:45,424
it's not there's like barely any of them in the world at all like i like we're all being really

726
01:02:45,424 --> 01:02:50,484
like you know because our content feeds are so curated they can again i talked about this last

727
01:02:50,484 --> 01:02:55,364
time they know what demographic we are they can feed us exactly what it is that we need to see

728
01:02:55,364 --> 01:03:01,764
to push us a little bit in that direction and we misplace the blame yeah they get us so angry at

729
01:03:01,764 --> 01:03:07,604
the totally wrong things like again i think tds trump derangement syndrome was like the greatest

730
01:03:07,604 --> 01:03:15,584
psyop maybe next to Q like ever because the left is so deranged as to how they talk about Trump that

731
01:03:15,584 --> 01:03:20,364
you can't even take them seriously and they don't talk and like it's like okay well your criticisms

732
01:03:20,364 --> 01:03:24,764
of Trump are ridiculous but there's a lot of things to criticize Trump about but you can't

733
01:03:24,764 --> 01:03:31,264
because then you're a libtard and it's like well no I don't have anything against the I'm not I

734
01:03:31,264 --> 01:03:36,144
don't blame the liberals for for anything that happened like they were socially engineered to do

735
01:03:36,144 --> 01:03:41,024
absolutely insane shit and believe crazy shit because their quality of life sucked and i don't

736
01:03:41,024 --> 01:03:44,944
blame the right either because they were socially engineered just on a different social media

737
01:03:44,944 --> 01:03:49,524
platform or with a different algorithm and i don't blame them it's not their fault it's not

738
01:03:49,524 --> 01:03:55,064
the left or the right's fault it's the the people at the top that are giving us all this shit to

739
01:03:55,064 --> 01:04:00,804
make us mad at each other and we need to come together and not go kill each other in the streets

740
01:04:00,804 --> 01:04:03,444
and go point at the people that are causing this.

741
01:04:03,624 --> 01:04:05,504
And as the discourse falls apart,

742
01:04:05,644 --> 01:04:07,384
as our public squares fall apart

743
01:04:07,384 --> 01:04:09,024
and we're forced more and more

744
01:04:09,024 --> 01:04:10,604
onto centralized platforms

745
01:04:10,604 --> 01:04:12,324
and centralized financial instruments,

746
01:04:12,724 --> 01:04:15,564
we like lose the ability to come together

747
01:04:15,564 --> 01:04:18,184
and fight the real issue that we need to fight.

748
01:04:18,304 --> 01:04:19,644
And even just saying that, right?

749
01:04:19,684 --> 01:04:22,104
Like I'm probably now on some fucking Palantir database

750
01:04:22,104 --> 01:04:24,724
because I'm saying we should, you know-

751
01:04:24,724 --> 01:04:26,844
They don't surveil us, you're fine.

752
01:04:27,224 --> 01:04:29,044
I could, perfect, perfect.

753
01:04:29,044 --> 01:04:33,944
But like, yeah, we should tar and feather the people running the government on both sides that did this to us.

754
01:04:34,024 --> 01:04:35,704
I don't want to hurt my brother in the street.

755
01:04:35,804 --> 01:04:38,084
You know, it's like they're my classmates, you know, like they're not.

756
01:04:38,164 --> 01:04:39,924
I don't care if they believe crazy things.

757
01:04:40,304 --> 01:04:42,724
I think both people on both sides believe crazy things.

758
01:04:43,104 --> 01:04:47,244
I probably believe crazy things, but I'm not that they're not my enemy.

759
01:04:47,364 --> 01:04:48,144
You know, they're my brother.

760
01:04:48,264 --> 01:04:49,524
So why are we shooting each other?

761
01:04:49,624 --> 01:04:53,024
Well, I brought up I brought up Wocky by Wall Street earlier.

762
01:04:53,024 --> 01:04:58,544
And I think that was really disturbing to them because that was like this is the majority of people.

763
01:04:58,544 --> 01:05:27,804
Well, yes. And it's against the oligarchy, right? The 1% oligarchy. And honestly, you know, a lot of my work points to this being a bipartisan thing, pushing us towards this techno feudalism, like a neo feudalism stuff with transhumanism in it, where they use transhumanism and AI to basically stratify the 99% from the 1% by technological and genetic engineering means, basically.

764
01:05:28,544 --> 01:05:50,564
And they're very open about that. And one of the guys I brought up earlier, who was an inspiration for Marc Andreessen's techno optimist stuff, one of the neo reactionary guys, the dark enlightenment guys names Nick land. He basically says he calls the elite the self filtering, or what is it? I wrote it down. Sorry, genetically self filtering elite and says that they're superior.

765
01:05:50,564 --> 01:05:56,044
and that they'll continue to be superior because, you know,

766
01:05:56,104 --> 01:06:00,184
once the singularity is here, you know, we'll be,

767
01:06:00,424 --> 01:06:03,484
the elites will be able to dominate genetic engineering

768
01:06:03,484 --> 01:06:07,464
and will engineer themselves into something completely superior to everyone else.

769
01:06:07,464 --> 01:06:12,524
And then basically the rest of us will be trash, you know.

770
01:06:13,124 --> 01:06:15,664
And this is also in, you know, I mean,

771
01:06:15,784 --> 01:06:20,444
a lot of the same rhetoric in like Mark Andresen world and Nick Landworld

772
01:06:20,444 --> 01:06:26,284
is really similar to the rhetoric you get from the globalists like eric schmidt and henry kissinger

773
01:06:26,284 --> 01:06:31,484
and their books about it and how basically we need to become forget what they called it something like

774
01:06:31,484 --> 01:06:38,124
techno optimists or something that like we need to become we need to merge with machines it's the

775
01:06:38,124 --> 01:06:43,884
only way and you hear this from elon too um and you know it's i it makes sense when you look at

776
01:06:43,884 --> 01:06:47,564
how people like eric schmidt are also on the steering committee of bilderberg with peter

777
01:06:47,564 --> 01:06:52,144
Thiel and Alex Karp and we're told these are elites on different sides like you had people

778
01:06:52,144 --> 01:06:58,264
in last election like Pete Kanonis being like these are our elites they're on our side and

779
01:06:58,264 --> 01:07:05,104
Barry Weiss being like yeah they're the counter elites no they're not Dave Smith calling them

780
01:07:05,104 --> 01:07:12,604
the cool billionaires yeah I don't think there's anything cool about this shit sorry uh taking us

781
01:07:12,604 --> 01:07:14,524
to this endpoint of transhumanism.

782
01:07:14,644 --> 01:07:17,804
I mean, it basically creates a massive us versus them thing.

783
01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:20,844
And, you know, the way Kissinger and Schmidt put it,

784
01:07:20,904 --> 01:07:23,124
they're like, eventually people won't even be able

785
01:07:23,124 --> 01:07:26,604
to cognitively comprehend what's being done to them

786
01:07:26,604 --> 01:07:28,804
and how they're being engineered by AI

787
01:07:28,804 --> 01:07:30,364
and by this other class of people

788
01:07:30,364 --> 01:07:32,244
that program and maintains the AI

789
01:07:32,244 --> 01:07:34,344
and decides what it does to people.

790
01:07:34,344 --> 01:07:36,864
And ultimately, a lot of the rhetoric here

791
01:07:36,864 --> 01:07:39,884
about, you know, like Nick Land's hyper-racism,

792
01:07:39,884 --> 01:07:48,904
It's completely indistinguishable from the eugenics of like the Rockefeller crowd and the global government crowd, which obviously Kissinger and co.

793
01:07:48,904 --> 01:07:54,064
are parts of or even some of these old time Fabian socialist guys like H.G. Wells.

794
01:07:54,864 --> 01:08:01,144
The idea of like, you know, the the lower classes will become a different species from the upper class.

795
01:08:01,284 --> 01:08:08,584
I mean, these people were the really genesis, you know, back in the early 20th century and 19th century were openly saying this.

796
01:08:08,584 --> 01:08:15,464
And, you know, they were behind the League of Nations. A lot of them were intimately involved in the creation of the of the U.N.

797
01:08:16,384 --> 01:08:21,384
And it's this is not good. It's something it's the elites on both sides.

798
01:08:21,404 --> 01:08:27,984
And this idea that there's these two types of, you know, two classes of elites that are fundamentally different.

799
01:08:27,984 --> 01:08:30,884
No, at the end of the day, they are playing us against ourselves.

800
01:08:31,344 --> 01:08:43,704
And some of them play the role of we're elites on this side and we're elites on the other side to help engineer the divide and conquer necessary to herd us into this cattle pen that is digital.

801
01:08:43,704 --> 01:09:00,864
And eventually, if we allow ourselves to go in there, they have made it very explicit that the not chosen ones basically will be engineered to be inferior genetically and also with the use of technology like brain chips and all of this transhumanist shit.

802
01:09:02,044 --> 01:09:05,184
And oh, my God, dude, it's insane.

803
01:09:05,444 --> 01:09:06,804
It's just completely bonkers.

804
01:09:06,804 --> 01:09:08,664
And it's not conspiracy anymore.

805
01:09:08,764 --> 01:09:10,584
They're very open about it on both sides.

806
01:09:10,584 --> 01:09:15,784
but the thing is people don't read what these people write they don't read their books uh they

807
01:09:15,784 --> 01:09:20,404
look at sound bites of them on joe rogan's podcast where they're basically like hey i'm a normal guy

808
01:09:20,404 --> 01:09:27,004
like you and you know i mean peter teal went and did that and you know and mark andreason went and

809
01:09:27,004 --> 01:09:32,224
did that mark zuckerberg hey fellow kids it's me marky i didn't mean to censor you

810
01:09:32,224 --> 01:09:39,904
i'm cool now look at my chain yeah yeah he had youtube come out yesterday google yeah um yeah

811
01:09:39,904 --> 01:09:42,584
I'm not demonetized anymore so I don't think we have to worry

812
01:09:42,584 --> 01:09:44,344
I think we have at least two weeks where we don't have to worry

813
01:09:44,344 --> 01:09:48,664
I got demonetized for talking about

814
01:09:48,664 --> 01:09:50,124
climate change and

815
01:09:50,124 --> 01:09:51,764
COVID vaccines

816
01:09:51,764 --> 01:09:54,744
I mean I got demonetized for the

817
01:09:54,744 --> 01:09:56,164
COVID vaccine also

818
01:09:56,164 --> 01:09:57,124
on Patreon

819
01:09:57,124 --> 01:10:00,544
it sucks so hard because

820
01:10:00,544 --> 01:10:02,084
this is where again

821
01:10:02,084 --> 01:10:04,784
even when you push back on this stuff you need to have a lot

822
01:10:04,784 --> 01:10:06,724
of empathy and sympathy for people that

823
01:10:06,724 --> 01:10:08,624
are good hard working people

824
01:10:08,624 --> 01:10:11,824
who are stuck using platforms that they don't control,

825
01:10:12,324 --> 01:10:14,404
that their livelihood is connected to,

826
01:10:14,824 --> 01:10:17,704
where they have to play the algo games.

827
01:10:17,824 --> 01:10:19,624
They have to do the mouth-open thumbnails.

828
01:10:19,824 --> 01:10:21,544
They have to do these things.

829
01:10:21,784 --> 01:10:23,884
And Richard Greaser told me to mention that to you, by the way.

830
01:10:23,884 --> 01:10:26,144
Yeah, we're going to make the best thumbnail for this episode.

831
01:10:27,964 --> 01:10:28,364
Yeah.

832
01:10:30,024 --> 01:10:32,484
But it's like they have to play those games.

833
01:10:32,644 --> 01:10:34,544
And I think your show is wonderful.

834
01:10:34,544 --> 01:10:38,704
It's one of the few shows in the space that I like actually regularly check out.

835
01:10:38,924 --> 01:10:52,744
And because you have open discourse, really all across the board, people that you don't necessarily agree with, sometimes you have, you know, and but you're still at the whim of like, if you want to talk about COVID vaccines, they can fucking pull your money, you know, your livelihood.

836
01:10:53,304 --> 01:11:02,184
And, you know, I obviously, you know, a lot of us in the Bitcoin space have some bit more of fuck you status where we can be like, OK, well, I can deal with not having it for a week or whatever.

837
01:11:02,184 --> 01:11:03,944
But some people can't, you know.

838
01:11:03,944 --> 01:11:11,144
And I had that privilege during COVID where like I was a semester away from finishing a degree in electrical engineering when COVID happened.

839
01:11:11,144 --> 01:11:13,344
And they were like, you got to get a thingy.

840
01:11:13,364 --> 01:11:15,304
And I was like, I'm not I'm not doing that.

841
01:11:15,304 --> 01:11:22,524
And I was able to just walk away because I had some some money squirreled away in this in this weird protocol thing.

842
01:11:22,664 --> 01:11:23,984
And I was able to just say that.

843
01:11:24,004 --> 01:11:28,544
But like a lot of people have a family and they worked really hard to do that and they wouldn't be able to say no.

844
01:11:29,084 --> 01:11:33,164
And that's now happening with like content creation and the livelihood of people online.

845
01:11:33,164 --> 01:11:37,224
And it's just like it's it's it's sad and it's scary.

846
01:11:37,784 --> 01:11:43,064
Well, it's it's it's ultimately going to go back to that same coercive mechanism that Mark was just describing.

847
01:11:43,064 --> 01:11:46,084
It may not be covid next time. It might be something else.

848
01:11:46,564 --> 01:11:53,344
But this is how it's going to operate. And eventually it'll be like if you don't want to comply with digital ID, then you can't be banked, period.

849
01:11:53,764 --> 01:11:59,684
Or it can be, you know, infinite number of things. You can't travel, et cetera, if you don't play ball.

850
01:11:59,684 --> 01:12:06,264
And, you know, it was the vaccine passport crap during COVID, but that's really just a roadmap for where all of this is going.

851
01:12:06,384 --> 01:12:13,564
And I think there was a lot of awareness of that a couple of years ago, and it seemingly evaporated, which is unfortunate.

852
01:12:13,564 --> 01:12:18,964
Because if you're aware of where they're trying to take us, you can plan things to not have to comply.

853
01:12:19,124 --> 01:12:29,044
So, like, so, for example, if you're like one of those people Mark mentioned where, like, you had you felt like you had to get the COVID vaccine because you have family support and you can't you couldn't lose your job.

854
01:12:29,044 --> 01:12:55,364
Do you want to be in that same situation again, like five to six to 10 years later? Or would you want to structure your life so that you don't have to be that dependent on the whims of a government or another, you know, authoritarian entity that's, you know, forcing you to make choices you don't want to make and wrecking your individual sovereignty because of whatever reason?

855
01:12:55,364 --> 01:13:00,804
And, you know, ideally, we should all have been spending this time being like, they're going to do this crap again.

856
01:13:01,284 --> 01:13:14,104
And how here's how I'm going to set up my life to be independent so that I don't have to go through this stuff or, you know, these lessons I learned about how this tactic affected my life and how I'm going to be free from it next time.

857
01:13:14,204 --> 01:13:16,064
I mean, that's really what we should have been doing.

858
01:13:16,164 --> 01:13:23,364
But there's been constant distractions, you know, and the more people are sucked in, I guess, to social media and the online world in this.

859
01:13:23,484 --> 01:13:25,004
It's not even a 24 hour news cycle.

860
01:13:25,004 --> 01:13:27,164
It's like a two hour. I mean, it's just crazy.

861
01:13:28,004 --> 01:13:32,564
You know, the less you are doing, probably, I would assume, you know.

862
01:13:33,404 --> 01:13:48,346
And so it really important for people to I think remember that and look at how can I structure my life and my family life to help us be independent and safe from what coming Because what happens when like I mentioned earlier like a lot of

863
01:13:48,346 --> 01:13:53,026
these elites, you know, they have these transhumanist fantasies, not just for them,

864
01:13:53,346 --> 01:13:58,387
where they're going to live together, but for the underclass. And what happens when it's like,

865
01:13:58,447 --> 01:14:03,587
well, you know, if you want to work and have a job and not just have UBI, whatever, well,

866
01:14:03,587 --> 01:14:05,106
you need a brain chip.

867
01:14:05,726 --> 01:14:06,467
It's demolition,

868
01:14:06,566 --> 01:14:06,726
man.

869
01:14:07,266 --> 01:14:07,606
You know,

870
01:14:07,907 --> 01:14:09,426
or yeah,

871
01:14:09,426 --> 01:14:09,986
but I mean,

872
01:14:10,127 --> 01:14:10,646
I mean,

873
01:14:10,646 --> 01:14:11,547
maybe it sounds weird,

874
01:14:11,566 --> 01:14:12,967
but it really shouldn't at this point.

875
01:14:12,967 --> 01:14:14,467
Or maybe it's like you have to,

876
01:14:14,806 --> 01:14:14,947
you know,

877
01:14:15,026 --> 01:14:16,926
we'll inject this into you next time.

878
01:14:17,047 --> 01:14:18,166
If you want to keep your job,

879
01:14:18,226 --> 01:14:19,066
it could be anything.

880
01:14:19,207 --> 01:14:19,367
I mean,

881
01:14:19,367 --> 01:14:19,806
I don't know.

882
01:14:19,947 --> 01:14:24,967
I have this issue when talking with like independent media people that have,

883
01:14:25,087 --> 01:14:25,327
you know,

884
01:14:25,327 --> 01:14:29,207
a lot of reservations about like Bitcoin and digital finance in general,

885
01:14:29,207 --> 01:14:33,327
because they just sort of throw garlic and holy water and kind of do the,

886
01:14:33,327 --> 01:14:38,766
You know, they're like, this is a Trojan horse for CBDC or whatever total control.

887
01:14:38,766 --> 01:14:43,907
And maybe they read some of our work or looked at the stablecoin warnings or whatever.

888
01:14:44,106 --> 01:14:45,707
And we're like, oh, my God, this is it.

889
01:14:45,846 --> 01:14:50,166
And maybe didn't really grok the nuance of the situation.

890
01:14:50,426 --> 01:15:02,707
And it's like, actually, like, yes, there might be a divided class entirely that comes downstream of the Bitcoin monetization and the dollar play underneath it.

891
01:15:02,707 --> 01:15:09,266
with stable coins, that's very actually likely and is where I'm personally expecting things to go.

892
01:15:09,926 --> 01:15:14,066
That's why I want it to go as slow as possible. I want as many people to get on board it as

893
01:15:14,066 --> 01:15:19,646
possible, to have it safely off boarded on exchanges as possible and all these things

894
01:15:19,646 --> 01:15:26,287
that we talk about. But it's like I can still say bad things could happen from a hyper Bitcoinization

895
01:15:26,287 --> 01:15:32,327
world. The faster it happens, we won't really save that many people if the way that it happens

896
01:15:32,327 --> 01:15:35,627
Now, how many people can really hold their own coins, yada, yada, yada.

897
01:15:35,627 --> 01:15:40,686
But they see these warnings and then they take it and they're like, Bitcoin's terrible.

898
01:15:40,926 --> 01:15:45,587
Anybody that says anything about Bitcoin is a Fed scammer, pusher guy, blah, blah, blah.

899
01:15:45,667 --> 01:15:46,486
They're a spook, blah, blah.

900
01:15:46,566 --> 01:15:56,407
And it's like, no, I'm telling you that you need to learn about this so that maybe you don't become in that lower class because that's probably where this is going to go.

901
01:15:56,407 --> 01:16:07,167
Now, there could be good things that come from removing the monopolization of monetary growth to this deflationary system that no one can change monetary policy of.

902
01:16:07,346 --> 01:16:09,087
That could be an extremely good thing.

903
01:16:09,926 --> 01:16:17,047
Also, there could be like, OK, 100,000 people have access to that meaningfully and 7.9 billion people don't.

904
01:16:17,426 --> 01:16:18,207
And that's bad.

905
01:16:18,207 --> 01:16:26,266
But they take all of the good work and research and things about like, hey, maybe some of the people behind these things aren't so good and look at where this could go.

906
01:16:26,407 --> 01:16:28,066
And then they write off the whole thing.

907
01:16:28,447 --> 01:16:30,926
And it's like, no, I don't want you to be a slave.

908
01:16:30,926 --> 01:16:35,507
I don't want you to be an underclass because you didn't research this technology.

909
01:16:35,646 --> 01:16:36,907
And maybe it does go to zero.

910
01:16:37,106 --> 01:16:37,627
I don't know.

911
01:16:37,887 --> 01:16:39,447
But there's a good chance that it won't.

912
01:16:39,507 --> 01:16:41,926
And it's a good chance the state's going to use it to debt pardon.

913
01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:44,407
And in which case, you probably want to grab some.

914
01:16:44,887 --> 01:16:47,986
You know, it's the same thing why the precious metals people have been talking about this

915
01:16:47,986 --> 01:16:48,526
for years.

916
01:16:48,726 --> 01:16:50,426
And they were directionally correct.

917
01:16:50,627 --> 01:16:53,566
But I think technology wise, they were probably wrong.

918
01:16:54,186 --> 01:16:55,146
Although we will see.

919
01:16:55,146 --> 01:17:02,526
Obviously, gold is on a hell of a run. But I think when that stops and I think things will pivot back into to Bitcoin and maybe some crypto, too.

920
01:17:02,646 --> 01:17:09,207
But, you know, why would you ignore this trend? It's like saying let's not buy gold before Bretton Woods.

921
01:17:09,547 --> 01:17:12,486
It's like because they're going to create a new world order with gold.

922
01:17:12,606 --> 01:17:15,926
Why the fuck wouldn't you want to hold gold in your house if they're going to do that?

923
01:17:16,087 --> 01:17:23,346
You're not participating in the building of the new world order by owning Bitcoin, even if they use Bitcoin and stable coins to create.

924
01:17:23,346 --> 01:17:30,587
And you're not. It's not the same as buying a stock like a Palantir stock where you're like financing the company by buying their equity.

925
01:17:30,587 --> 01:17:34,387
It's like it's a commodity. It's an asset. It's not the same thing.

926
01:17:34,907 --> 01:17:39,306
And like there's a lot of reasons to be apprehensive about a hyper Bitcoin eyes world.

927
01:17:39,426 --> 01:17:42,486
I think that there are there are also a lot of reasons to be excited about it.

928
01:17:42,566 --> 01:17:45,247
But the nuance there is like lost on a lot of people.

929
01:17:45,247 --> 01:17:53,566
And I just like I hate that otherwise well-intentioned smart people can't like see that, you know, hey, maybe this will be bad for a lot of people.

930
01:17:53,566 --> 01:17:59,007
But like I want to protect my family and I want to I want to be set up so that I don't get put in that lower class.

931
01:18:00,066 --> 01:18:01,747
Why wouldn't you consider that?

932
01:18:01,747 --> 01:18:09,747
Why wouldn't you squirrel away five hundred dollars or a thousand dollars if you can in a in a hyperinflating dollar world anyway?

933
01:18:09,926 --> 01:18:13,867
It's like you should really look into it and educate to make the decision for yourself.

934
01:18:13,867 --> 01:18:21,967
because I don't want you to be in the fucking Yarvin fucking honey bee pod virtualized world

935
01:18:21,967 --> 01:18:22,306
thing.

936
01:18:22,547 --> 01:18:23,926
I don't want anybody to be that.

937
01:18:24,047 --> 01:18:27,226
I want to go throw a ball with you outside in the field.

938
01:18:27,646 --> 01:18:30,606
I don't want you stuck in the metaverse, you know?

939
01:18:30,606 --> 01:18:36,167
So like consider ways to make sure you don't get fucking stuck on the metaverse.

940
01:18:36,326 --> 01:18:36,766
I don't know.

941
01:18:37,106 --> 01:18:39,467
I don't know what I'm saying, but I hope that makes sense.

942
01:18:40,587 --> 01:18:41,247
I have a couple.

943
01:18:41,247 --> 01:18:42,326
number one

944
01:18:42,326 --> 01:18:44,606
I'm highly skeptical that

945
01:18:44,606 --> 01:18:47,006
ASI is as close

946
01:18:47,006 --> 01:18:48,926
as these people are making it

947
01:18:48,926 --> 01:18:49,606
I agree with that

948
01:18:49,606 --> 01:18:51,106
but they're going to sell it as that

949
01:18:51,106 --> 01:18:53,326
they already tried that ex-Google guy

950
01:18:53,326 --> 01:18:55,306
that was like it's sentient

951
01:18:55,306 --> 01:18:57,447
here it is and people are like

952
01:18:57,447 --> 01:18:59,127
oh shit it's happening

953
01:18:59,127 --> 01:19:00,747
and then it was like oh yeah

954
01:19:00,747 --> 01:19:02,047
the transcript

955
01:19:02,047 --> 01:19:06,087
they can do that whenever they want

956
01:19:06,087 --> 01:19:07,346
and here's the thing too

957
01:19:07,346 --> 01:19:08,646
in that Kissinger

958
01:19:08,646 --> 01:19:10,587
one of the Kissinger Schmidt books about AI

959
01:19:10,587 --> 01:19:16,667
they're like either the at the the development of the ai industry leads to one of two outcomes

960
01:19:16,667 --> 01:19:23,006
either it creates a new world religion or uh you know the underclass revolts against the elites

961
01:19:23,006 --> 01:19:29,026
and overthrows them what which outcome do you think kissinger and and schmidt want yeah well

962
01:19:29,026 --> 01:19:36,526
out of that i was gonna say you know blasphemous they they want ai pretend jesus models to an

963
01:19:36,526 --> 01:19:42,986
extent like obviously they have their own system prompts but i think that's our our best way to

964
01:19:42,986 --> 01:19:49,247
fight back against like the open ai's metas of the world and xai if you don't if you don't think

965
01:19:49,247 --> 01:19:54,686
they're going to bring us down a good direction like and seeing what tony and mark said at maple

966
01:19:54,686 --> 01:19:59,826
ai have been able to build like using actual end-to-end encryption to make sure that your

967
01:19:59,826 --> 01:20:04,766
conversations with the large language models are private the data stays on the secure enclaves like

968
01:20:04,766 --> 01:20:09,006
that gives me a lot of hope. And if you are paying attention to like the cutting edge models,

969
01:20:09,106 --> 01:20:12,287
these open source models are really catching up. And so it's just making people aware

970
01:20:12,287 --> 01:20:16,926
that they exist in the first place and pushing them to leverage them.

971
01:20:18,726 --> 01:20:22,686
Well, even with that, the only thing I would add is that I think it's important for people to

972
01:20:22,686 --> 01:20:27,346
not become dependent on any sort of AI algorithm because there's the whole, I mean, I've talked

973
01:20:27,346 --> 01:20:31,566
about this for years. If you don't use it, you lose it kind of thing. If we become dependent on

974
01:20:31,566 --> 01:20:35,887
AI for a variety of tasks. One day you wake up and you can't do that task without the AI anymore.

975
01:20:35,887 --> 01:20:41,667
And you like need to have it obviously better to be. I mean, obviously in the case of like open AI

976
01:20:41,667 --> 01:20:46,226
and those companies, it's a subscription model. So you lose the ability to do that task. You are

977
01:20:46,226 --> 01:20:53,367
stuck paying them infinitely to be able to do the thing that you need to do. Right. But in general,

978
01:20:53,426 --> 01:20:59,566
just like at a cognitive level, I feel like, you know, the, the people of the world are really

979
01:20:59,566 --> 01:21:04,867
under like a multi-pronged attack and a lot of it is a psychological war and like a cognitive war

980
01:21:04,867 --> 01:21:10,506
and so it's really important for people to like still be able to use their brain for things that

981
01:21:10,506 --> 01:21:16,186
are important and a big part of that is you know being able to discern for yourself um critical

982
01:21:16,186 --> 01:21:21,266
thinking and analysis um you know i think a lot of things of course that aren't really taught in

983
01:21:21,266 --> 01:21:27,226
u.s schools or really schools anywhere right um but i mean they're essential and the more we

984
01:21:27,226 --> 01:21:33,787
outsource our thinking to AI, you know, it's problematic. And also, you know, just sort of

985
01:21:33,787 --> 01:21:41,967
not preparing yourself to look at the ex Twitter's, you know, for you algorithm and having all this

986
01:21:41,967 --> 01:21:46,066
stuff pushed at you, you know, and absorbing it all without having any sort of discernment about

987
01:21:46,066 --> 01:21:52,867
why that may be, you know, I think people need to kind of consider that they're going into a

988
01:21:52,867 --> 01:21:59,587
literal, you know, battlefield every time they're getting on these platforms and to not be so easily.

989
01:21:59,867 --> 01:22:06,207
Well, I'm sure. But it's not so not to be so easily influenced by things. Yeah. And to look

990
01:22:06,207 --> 01:22:11,707
at a variety of sources and try and discern things from yourself and try to avoid all the

991
01:22:11,707 --> 01:22:15,867
rage bait, you know, and the stuff to get us really like emotionally upset and angry, because

992
01:22:15,867 --> 01:22:21,786
I've said this before on your show, Marty, you know, the more upset and agitated and emotional

993
01:22:21,786 --> 01:22:28,286
people become the last the less rationally they think right um and the more impulsively

994
01:22:28,286 --> 01:22:34,407
uh they do things or say things right and i think it's specifically that's how they want us though

995
01:22:34,407 --> 01:22:40,387
all the time and also how they want us again i think as it relates to talking about schmidt and

996
01:22:40,387 --> 01:22:46,506
google and ai and how they meet you know you were telling me the other day about the the the like

997
01:22:46,506 --> 01:22:53,387
you know, Google Schmidt has said Google is a failure in the sense that every time you ask a

998
01:22:53,387 --> 01:22:59,286
question and search for something, it should give you one answer. Just one answer. Like a perfect

999
01:22:59,286 --> 01:23:04,186
search engine. You get exactly what you're looking for. This whole, you know, 10 pages of going

1000
01:23:04,186 --> 01:23:09,026
through trying to find something and all these links, like that's a failure in the sense that

1001
01:23:09,026 --> 01:23:13,686
if they were doing their job perfectly, you would ask a question and get the perfect answer.

1002
01:23:14,306 --> 01:23:16,367
The right answer, he calls it.

1003
01:23:17,106 --> 01:23:19,006
And who determines what's the right answer?

1004
01:23:19,247 --> 01:23:21,566
Well, it's Google's AI.

1005
01:23:22,006 --> 01:23:23,226
It's the algorithm.

1006
01:23:23,247 --> 01:23:28,627
Well, that's the goal of AI taking over search for Schmidt and presumably for a lot of these guys.

1007
01:23:28,747 --> 01:23:28,967
Right.

1008
01:23:29,087 --> 01:23:31,207
I mean, Google's easily the most important one.

1009
01:23:31,286 --> 01:23:32,907
It kind of doesn't really matter.

1010
01:23:32,907 --> 01:23:37,947
So now a lot of these search engines, you know, they'll preface with the AI answer and the results will follow.

1011
01:23:38,066 --> 01:23:40,627
But their goal is to not have the results follow.

1012
01:23:40,786 --> 01:23:40,986
Right.

1013
01:23:41,127 --> 01:23:41,286
Right.

1014
01:23:41,387 --> 01:23:43,106
It's just to have that answer there.

1015
01:23:43,106 --> 01:23:49,907
and i mean a lot of people are treating ai like it's authoritative like grok is this real uh you

1016
01:23:49,907 --> 01:23:56,747
know uh but ai hallucinates and doesn't actually think you know it's trained on patterns of data

1017
01:23:56,747 --> 01:24:01,907
and so it returns you know it's a probabilistic outcome not a deterministic it's like the other

1018
01:24:01,907 --> 01:24:08,127
and ultimately you know it's the man behind the curtain shit you know even if they are feeding

1019
01:24:08,127 --> 01:24:13,486
it off of, you know, sound data, uh, cash and, you know, it's, it's a fine algorithm.

1020
01:24:13,766 --> 01:24:20,947
Once they establish the dominance of single input, single output, and everybody is getting

1021
01:24:20,947 --> 01:24:24,486
their information from these things, they can swap it out.

1022
01:24:24,606 --> 01:24:30,146
They can come in and, and, and, and be like, oh, well now we control the present and we

1023
01:24:30,146 --> 01:24:35,506
control the past and we control the future and we control the answers you get for your

1024
01:24:35,506 --> 01:24:36,026
questions.

1025
01:24:36,026 --> 01:24:37,967
We become the front page of the internet.

1026
01:24:38,127 --> 01:24:40,006
We become your only interaction with the internet.

1027
01:24:40,247 --> 01:24:41,326
We become your friend.

1028
01:24:41,546 --> 01:24:42,447
We become your lover.

1029
01:24:42,447 --> 01:24:45,826
We become whatever the fuck AI is becoming with people.

1030
01:24:46,367 --> 01:24:56,066
And you don't actually know who is controlling these algorithms, what the algorithms are, how they change, what changes them, what they're feeding off of.

1031
01:24:56,506 --> 01:25:05,326
And like it's just it's almost an impossible thing to nail down to know exactly what it is that you're interacting with that that won't be changed.

1032
01:25:05,326 --> 01:25:08,146
and your habits, your patterns are being built.

1033
01:25:08,986 --> 01:25:09,667
You are learning.

1034
01:25:09,786 --> 01:25:11,726
You are actually the learning model,

1035
01:25:12,186 --> 01:25:15,127
the large language model that is being conditioned

1036
01:25:15,127 --> 01:25:17,026
by using these things.

1037
01:25:17,026 --> 01:25:22,167
And then you just become a condition to go towards that

1038
01:25:22,167 --> 01:25:23,667
for everything that you ever need.

1039
01:25:23,826 --> 01:25:26,907
And that is scary, I think, in general.

1040
01:25:27,066 --> 01:25:30,467
Especially with kids being like, having kids use it.

1041
01:25:30,467 --> 01:25:34,106
I can hear Matt O'Dell screaming in my ear right now

1042
01:25:34,106 --> 01:25:34,667
and I have to bring up,

1043
01:25:34,726 --> 01:25:36,826
but this is like why something like Noster exists, right?

1044
01:25:36,846 --> 01:25:39,106
Because you sign a piece of data,

1045
01:25:39,426 --> 01:25:41,226
an event with a private key

1046
01:25:41,226 --> 01:25:42,387
that is associated with you

1047
01:25:42,387 --> 01:25:43,627
at a particular point in time.

1048
01:25:43,926 --> 01:25:45,106
And you basically have that.

1049
01:25:45,887 --> 01:25:46,926
It's not on a blockchain,

1050
01:25:47,186 --> 01:25:48,127
but you can like prove.

1051
01:25:48,286 --> 01:25:49,087
Sure, yeah.

1052
01:25:49,226 --> 01:25:51,046
Like this happened at this point in time.

1053
01:25:51,186 --> 01:25:54,207
Similarly with what the Simple Proof team is doing

1054
01:25:54,207 --> 01:25:58,587
by anchoring sort of digital record data

1055
01:25:58,587 --> 01:26:00,367
into the Bitcoin blockchain,

1056
01:26:00,486 --> 01:26:01,266
into transactions,

1057
01:26:01,266 --> 01:26:03,747
and basically proving this record existed

1058
01:26:03,747 --> 01:26:04,707
at this point in time.

1059
01:26:04,707 --> 01:26:17,929
I mean yeah open time stamps It is like what do they call it The the dead Internet theory where where you don know we are there brother has ever existed it freaking insane like i have ai impersonator

1060
01:26:17,929 --> 01:26:23,489
channels they get like hundreds of thousands of views per video they make like ai versions of me

1061
01:26:23,489 --> 01:26:27,909
that don't even look like me dude it's terrifying are they like photoshop like a hand that's like

1062
01:26:27,909 --> 01:26:32,829
way bigger than my hand like in front of my face they're coming like what black right you did they're

1063
01:26:32,829 --> 01:26:37,989
on the moon what's gonna happen well this is the uh yeah and eventually it's guy how am i gonna

1064
01:26:37,989 --> 01:26:43,829
prove that it's like not you need to sign with a private key you need to start using yeah yeah

1065
01:26:43,829 --> 01:26:50,189
i know you're i know but like i i think thinking optimistically how do we get out of this and

1066
01:26:50,189 --> 01:26:55,469
that's why whenever we talk i'm extremely optimistic because i'm following like the

1067
01:26:55,469 --> 01:27:00,589
front edge what's happening on bitcoin and now nostr and nostr specifically if you look at some

1068
01:27:00,589 --> 01:27:08,069
of the clients being built on top of it it's reaching parity with x twitch uh sub stack and

1069
01:27:08,069 --> 01:27:13,489
like we're getting to the point where you can have a similar experience on nostril that you're having

1070
01:27:13,489 --> 01:27:19,189
on the the sort of walled garden platform internet with with the major social media platforms that is

1071
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:24,209
extremely encouraging the fact that bitcoin's intertwined with that so you can monitor you can

1072
01:27:24,209 --> 01:27:29,689
produce content prove it was you have it distributed on this distributed protocol that nobody can

1073
01:27:29,689 --> 01:27:34,869
control and then you can monetize it directly via bitcoin and we more people need to be aware of

1074
01:27:34,869 --> 01:27:39,829
this they need to be focused on it and going back to like the whole divide conquer hegelian dialectic

1075
01:27:39,829 --> 01:27:46,449
like again i got riled up immediately after the charlie kirk thing but the weeks almost two weeks

1076
01:27:46,449 --> 01:27:51,349
since it's like very obvious that they're trying to gin up this division it's like don't focus on

1077
01:27:51,349 --> 01:27:57,429
that focus on the solutions like bitcoin nostr open source ai and educating people about this

1078
01:27:57,429 --> 01:28:05,349
And this is a good this is the perfect segue into what we're working on right now, which we haven't even really talked about anywhere yet.

1079
01:28:05,349 --> 01:28:05,629
Yeah.

1080
01:28:05,749 --> 01:28:08,109
We can funnily plug it now.

1081
01:28:08,109 --> 01:28:22,309
Yeah, but we're hoping to be on the, I guess, the front edge of independent media by going back into physical media a little bit, which is pretty uncommon in the independent media space.

1082
01:28:22,309 --> 01:28:30,469
Because what better way to know that it's really us and not AI slop than literally hold it in your hand.

1083
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:34,029
So we're making a magazine.

1084
01:28:34,029 --> 01:28:45,489
Yeah, we're starting a magazine and a publishing house with our good friend Baza, who I worked with on the print magazine at Bitcoin Magazine.

1085
01:28:45,929 --> 01:28:48,309
And we got a couple books in the canon.

1086
01:28:48,609 --> 01:28:53,709
Yeah, the first book that we're going to be having is called The Technocratic Dark State.

1087
01:28:53,889 --> 01:28:57,229
It's by Ian Davis, who, of course, you know, Marty, he's the man.

1088
01:28:57,229 --> 01:29:07,449
And a lot of the stuff that I brought up today, you know, I learned from him about, you know, Curtis Yarvin, Nick Land, you know, and a lot of that philosophy.

1089
01:29:07,689 --> 01:29:12,449
It's in that book. It's almost done reading it so far.

1090
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:16,489
Incredible, as is the case with Ian's work pretty much across the board.

1091
01:29:16,529 --> 01:29:17,669
It's top notch. So, yeah.

1092
01:29:18,809 --> 01:29:20,509
Yeah. What is the magazine going to be called?

1093
01:29:20,509 --> 01:29:26,989
uh well you know of course anything could happen but uh we are going to be calling it uh paper cut

1094
01:29:26,989 --> 01:29:35,009
publishing house and the magazine will be called the paper cut nice um yes so uh slow content for

1095
01:29:35,009 --> 01:29:41,309
fast times we're trying we were like we literally like got cameras or like let's do a video show

1096
01:29:41,309 --> 01:29:46,709
let's go do what everyone is doing and then we like kind of thought about it for a minute and

1097
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:53,289
we were like no one else does long form stuff maybe we should just do long form stuff like i

1098
01:29:53,289 --> 01:29:58,029
feel like the only people that really do regular like long form journals i mean obviously our

1099
01:29:58,029 --> 01:30:02,849
output is slower but it's like it's very rare most people do like short punchy things trying

1100
01:30:02,849 --> 01:30:06,369
to be as timely as possible what is everyone talking about i'm going to talk about that well

1101
01:30:06,369 --> 01:30:11,729
it's okay because it needs to happen we need it we need people like you we need the rage like we

1102
01:30:11,729 --> 01:30:16,549
need it yeah it's important too but we were you know that's not what unlimited hangout is

1103
01:30:16,549 --> 01:30:22,909
And so did we really want to change and do what everyone else is doing or is an entity like that needed?

1104
01:30:23,149 --> 01:30:26,089
So, yeah, we're going to do some old school stuff.

1105
01:30:26,169 --> 01:30:28,669
I mean, maybe next year we'll do a video show like everyone else.

1106
01:30:28,789 --> 01:30:29,109
I don't know.

1107
01:30:29,349 --> 01:30:31,989
But it would be well received if you did.

1108
01:30:32,129 --> 01:30:36,769
It's not a knock on video shows at all because it's like video is extremely important.

1109
01:30:36,889 --> 01:30:38,489
It's how most people take in information.

1110
01:30:38,849 --> 01:30:44,549
I just watched this amazing documentary by Elephant Graveyard about the Austin comedy scene.

1111
01:30:44,649 --> 01:30:44,949
I don't know.

1112
01:30:44,949 --> 01:30:45,709
Did you see that?

1113
01:30:45,709 --> 01:30:46,769
You should check it out.

1114
01:30:47,069 --> 01:30:47,809
It's really good.

1115
01:30:48,109 --> 01:30:48,549
Unbelievable.

1116
01:30:49,249 --> 01:30:50,689
And I like a lot of those people.

1117
01:30:50,909 --> 01:30:53,909
Like, and I think the Austin comedy scene is very interesting, but it's so good.

1118
01:30:54,669 --> 01:30:56,069
Highly recommend checking that out.

1119
01:30:56,269 --> 01:30:57,549
Talk about the hierarchy, everybody.

1120
01:30:58,409 --> 01:31:15,469
Yeah, basically like the Simakura being created by like the Kill Tony sphere in the Joe Rogan sphere and then him in the tech bro sphere and how they have basically co-opted comedy to defang one of the only meaningful ways to cut through kind of like state propaganda.

1121
01:31:15,709 --> 01:31:18,709
by like normalizing the tech bros.

1122
01:31:18,829 --> 01:31:21,289
And I don't want to ruin it, but it's incredibly good.

1123
01:31:21,349 --> 01:31:22,929
That guy is a genius.

1124
01:31:23,129 --> 01:31:25,409
It was incredibly funny and really well made.

1125
01:31:26,809 --> 01:31:30,149
Adam Curtis, you know, there's people that make amazing long form

1126
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:34,369
and not really good shows like video content is important.

1127
01:31:34,549 --> 01:31:35,529
We're not video people.

1128
01:31:35,909 --> 01:31:36,869
I'm balding.

1129
01:31:37,169 --> 01:31:38,649
I got like skin stuff.

1130
01:31:38,789 --> 01:31:39,609
Like I don't, you don't want me.

1131
01:31:39,609 --> 01:31:44,169
I got a face for radio and more so a face for books.

1132
01:31:44,169 --> 01:31:52,069
you know i got a i got a a body for long-form journalism so i should lean into that and do that

1133
01:31:52,069 --> 01:31:58,049
um and obviously like you know when he's the the best of the best in that and i'm just happy to be

1134
01:31:58,049 --> 01:32:04,729
here but the i think it's going to be really good and it will just be a nice like uh companion to

1135
01:32:04,729 --> 01:32:09,549
everything that's going on online like we need that we need that too and we also need this stuff

1136
01:32:09,549 --> 01:32:12,809
But I don't think anyone's really doing what I mentioned earlier, too.

1137
01:32:12,969 --> 01:32:16,769
You know, there's this effort to use social media and AI to try and dumb us down.

1138
01:32:16,929 --> 01:32:21,029
So an important way to hedge against that is how do I keep myself from being dumbed down?

1139
01:32:21,349 --> 01:32:26,049
So I think it's important for people to read, even if you don't want to read our books or our magazine.

1140
01:32:26,849 --> 01:32:29,789
Reading physical stuff is good for you.

1141
01:32:29,909 --> 01:32:32,189
There are literally studies that say this is good.

1142
01:32:32,289 --> 01:32:35,789
So, I mean, you should, you know, really consider that.

1143
01:32:35,789 --> 01:32:42,089
And, you know, if it's a mental war, it's a cognitive or at least part of the battle is cognitive and mental.

1144
01:32:42,409 --> 01:32:46,509
You know, how do you build yourself up to fight in that war?

1145
01:32:46,849 --> 01:32:55,589
Yeah. And obviously we were just extremely lucky to be friends with Baza, who, you know, is just, you know, she did the cover for my book.

1146
01:32:55,589 --> 01:33:02,109
She's just did all the amazing physical print magazines for Bitcoin magazine for for a few years now.

1147
01:33:02,109 --> 01:33:13,809
And I just say she's a bona fide genius and really likes doing physical media, knows how to use printers and do the Pantones and, you know, has the perfect skill set and is such a savage and a genius.

1148
01:33:13,989 --> 01:33:16,369
And it's just it was it just made a lot of sense.

1149
01:33:16,469 --> 01:33:24,769
You know, it's like I don't think maybe we would be thinking that if we didn't have someone on our side that could kick so much ass at it and be able to do it.

1150
01:33:25,029 --> 01:33:25,949
Bring her skill set.

1151
01:33:26,009 --> 01:33:27,969
That's like a lost art, quite literally.

1152
01:33:29,049 --> 01:33:31,149
You know, and so it's a perfect.

1153
01:33:32,109 --> 01:33:34,349
you know, companionship there.

1154
01:33:34,469 --> 01:33:35,789
So obviously just hats off to her.

1155
01:33:35,849 --> 01:33:37,469
I want to make sure she gets she gets due.

1156
01:33:37,569 --> 01:33:39,309
But we haven't done anything yet that much.

1157
01:33:39,349 --> 01:33:40,529
So no hats off yet.

1158
01:33:40,569 --> 01:33:41,609
But, you know, it's coming.

1159
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:45,909
And we're excited to really talk about it here first, more or less.

1160
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:47,389
So, well, I can't wait to subscribe.

1161
01:33:47,529 --> 01:33:48,149
I'll say that.

1162
01:33:48,989 --> 01:33:49,649
Thanks, Marnie.

1163
01:33:49,989 --> 01:33:50,709
I've been trying to read.

1164
01:33:50,789 --> 01:33:52,329
And I've noticed this as well.

1165
01:33:53,089 --> 01:33:54,569
Getting dumbed down by the Algo.

1166
01:33:54,989 --> 01:33:56,349
Trying to read more long form.

1167
01:33:58,169 --> 01:33:59,329
So I've been reading more books.

1168
01:33:59,369 --> 01:34:00,309
I got the Daylight Computer.

1169
01:34:00,509 --> 01:34:01,509
Trying to read books on that.

1170
01:34:01,509 --> 01:34:07,509
nice kindle and yeah it is i mean i mean it's really important you know we have people that

1171
01:34:07,509 --> 01:34:12,849
are like well yeah i see that you wrote this piece but um can you like reduce it to one sentence

1172
01:34:12,849 --> 01:34:19,349
please when when video pod about it or they'll be like grok make me a summary of this article so i

1173
01:34:19,349 --> 01:34:23,349
don't have to read it and it's like well i mean that's what they want you to do yeah and sometimes

1174
01:34:23,349 --> 01:34:28,049
they won't even they'll be like this is too conspiratorial to break down it's like why

1175
01:34:28,049 --> 01:34:35,529
why but you know it's like eventually okay what if the ai run by these big tech companies that

1176
01:34:35,529 --> 01:34:40,349
the owners have a lot of overlap with the national security state for example um and are arguably

1177
01:34:40,349 --> 01:34:45,069
fused with them so what happens okay maybe it's giving you accurate summaries now but then you

1178
01:34:45,069 --> 01:34:48,829
get dependent on asking it for everything and then what happens when they they could easily

1179
01:34:48,829 --> 01:34:53,709
flip a switch and then it's just whatever they want you to believe and would you know the difference

1180
01:34:53,709 --> 01:35:00,949
after that point yeah well on that i mean it would be remiss of me too before we wrap up here

1181
01:35:00,949 --> 01:35:04,209
it's like just talk about the whole epstein stuff we've been covering it for five years

1182
01:35:04,209 --> 01:35:10,429
oh man yeah it's getting swept under the rug yeah now it is yeah now i mean now it's very inconvenient

1183
01:35:10,429 --> 01:35:16,209
it was very convenient on the campaign trail wasn't it what was it and then they had binders

1184
01:35:16,209 --> 01:35:21,669
they were showing what was in the binders that's it was documents that had already basically come

1185
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:26,149
out and had already been publicly available. But they tried to create the impression that it was

1186
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:31,529
new. But I mean, they bungled that hard. And all the 180s, very crazy. Well, that's my question.

1187
01:35:31,649 --> 01:35:34,949
Are they worried, to your point about Occupy Wall Street, they're really scared them. When it comes

1188
01:35:34,949 --> 01:35:41,209
to the Epstein files and now with the COVID vaccine, particularly, I think there was a lot

1189
01:35:41,209 --> 01:35:47,549
of momentum, positive momentum towards getting accountability or holding the people who trust

1190
01:35:47,549 --> 01:35:49,309
that vaccine on the populace accountable.

1191
01:35:49,929 --> 01:35:52,649
And who knows, maybe there still will be accountability

1192
01:35:52,649 --> 01:35:54,929
in regards to COVID vaccine.

1193
01:35:55,029 --> 01:35:56,709
But obviously the Charlie Kirk thing happened

1194
01:35:56,709 --> 01:35:59,029
a couple of days after the Maha hearings

1195
01:35:59,029 --> 01:36:00,529
where all this stuff was being brought up.

1196
01:36:00,629 --> 01:36:04,589
And the study by Kevin McKernan and Jessica Rose

1197
01:36:04,589 --> 01:36:09,689
that proved that there's SV40 and DNA fragments

1198
01:36:09,689 --> 01:36:11,529
in the Pfizer vaccine specifically

1199
01:36:11,529 --> 01:36:15,789
got basically presented as evidence to Capitol Hill.

1200
01:36:15,789 --> 01:36:18,649
And then boom, Charlie Kirk happens and it all goes away.

1201
01:36:18,689 --> 01:36:19,569
Like I feel like Epstein.

1202
01:36:19,889 --> 01:36:24,149
Also the Epstein list got wrapped up in that go away thing after the Kirk assassination too.

1203
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:29,269
Even though one of the things that he was pushing for also was a release of the documents.

1204
01:36:29,549 --> 01:36:29,689
Right.

1205
01:36:29,949 --> 01:36:30,429
So, yeah.

1206
01:36:31,029 --> 01:36:32,149
But I don't know.

1207
01:36:32,269 --> 01:36:40,029
I mean, now a lot of people in the administration are being like the last thing Charlie Kirk told me that he wanted me to do is send the National Guard to Chicago.

1208
01:36:40,029 --> 01:36:52,669
And the last thing he told me before he died was dismantle the radical left, even though I thought his whole thing was to debate and beat the radical left through debate and discourse.

1209
01:36:53,329 --> 01:37:03,969
So I think people, again, like we brought up earlier, just kind of taking advantage of the situation and a lot of things are being swept under the rug, unfortunately.

1210
01:37:03,969 --> 01:37:10,989
And yeah, I mean, ultimately what they don't want is us to go back to us versus the oligarchy and working together.

1211
01:37:11,969 --> 01:37:13,889
And it's all about division.

1212
01:37:14,309 --> 01:37:17,149
And the more that they can drive that home, they will.

1213
01:37:17,369 --> 01:37:28,409
And I feel like, you know, as the base and the public start to sort of do that coming together, they're throwing some event at us that fragments us back into polarization.

1214
01:37:28,409 --> 01:37:46,709
So I don't think the Kirk assassination is just going to be, you know, a one and done thing in the sense that I think, you know, there could be some other event to bring back that strategy of tension-esque feeling so that they can either sweep things under the rug that are inconvenient, like the Epstein case.

1215
01:37:47,749 --> 01:37:54,149
You know, because, I mean, I don't know, it's just so crazy that there was all this momentum for that.

1216
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:56,749
And now it's like, well, it's a Democrat hoax, Marty.

1217
01:37:56,829 --> 01:37:58,009
I didn't know if you knew that.

1218
01:37:58,409 --> 01:38:05,349
um it was it's all very odd um it's all a distraction from what we really should be doing

1219
01:38:05,349 --> 01:38:13,069
which is falling in love and and having a and getting pregnant and eating as much tylenol as

1220
01:38:13,069 --> 01:38:20,589
possible while you're pregnant and creating a whole generation of artists to that are really

1221
01:38:20,589 --> 01:38:28,249
good at magic the gathering exactly and push back against this panopticon regime because what else

1222
01:38:28,249 --> 01:38:29,389
can we do other than that?

1223
01:38:29,389 --> 01:38:31,149
I mean, that was like to your point earlier about

1224
01:38:32,249 --> 01:38:34,689
people on the extreme left and extreme right being driven

1225
01:38:34,689 --> 01:38:45,992
to look like crazy people I was like there plenty of crazy people on both sides Right And women just chugging right but the social media algorithm makes you think you like literally surrounded by those people

1226
01:38:45,992 --> 01:38:53,072
in your own house yeah you know no um and if you go out and meet regular people you'll find you have

1227
01:38:53,072 --> 01:38:57,931
a lot more in common with them than the pregnant women on on tiktok uh chugging bottles of tylenol

1228
01:38:57,931 --> 01:39:03,172
totally yeah you know or you know the other side of the spectrum extreme of that where you know the

1229
01:39:03,172 --> 01:39:07,252
people that after the kirk assassination were like trump now is the time to seize power and

1230
01:39:07,252 --> 01:39:11,392
dismantle democracy you must do it right now thanks sam hyde well those people aren't even

1231
01:39:11,392 --> 01:39:15,032
real like that isn't necessarily their opinions either it's like they're also

1232
01:39:15,032 --> 01:39:21,012
like influencers that are playing to the algos no but so are the pregnant people of course i mean

1233
01:39:21,012 --> 01:39:25,231
that's what i mean on on it's an emotional reaction i'm gonna push against this because

1234
01:39:25,231 --> 01:39:29,951
i'm angry and pissed off but i don't really know why and so i'm just gonna be a reactionary and if

1235
01:39:29,951 --> 01:39:39,172
I go publish something and then I'll get some likes and I'll feel better or this or maybe monetize it or I mean it's and then you see people doing that and then you're influenced by people doing that.

1236
01:39:39,172 --> 01:39:53,051
It's like the whole like people like Photoshop like, you know, Paris Hilton era like body dysmorphia or whatever, where it's like they're like already unbelievably thin and then Photoshop them to be even that.

1237
01:39:53,172 --> 01:39:55,532
And then people are seeing that and being influenced by that.

1238
01:39:55,532 --> 01:39:56,852
And then they're living like that.

1239
01:39:56,912 --> 01:40:01,532
And it creates this like down, it's turtles all the way down of just like manufactured

1240
01:40:01,532 --> 01:40:05,392
like insanity, you know, and that's not reality.

1241
01:40:05,392 --> 01:40:06,352
It's hyper reality.

1242
01:40:07,012 --> 01:40:09,832
And that is what we're like getting fed.

1243
01:40:09,971 --> 01:40:11,172
We're not getting fed reality.

1244
01:40:11,311 --> 01:40:12,332
We're getting fed hyper reality.

1245
01:40:12,332 --> 01:40:16,811
To bring up the Kissinger Schmidt thing one, one last time, uh, Kissinger, who's like one

1246
01:40:16,811 --> 01:40:22,152
of the most evil globalist turds to like probably ever exist was like the revolutionary.

1247
01:40:22,152 --> 01:40:25,512
Well, one of them, you know, there's a whole gaggle of them.

1248
01:40:25,532 --> 01:40:38,852
Um, but he basically, uh, was like, yeah, AI is the revolutionary potential of AI is in its, uh, use as a tool of perception and how it can like alter the perception of the masses at scale.

1249
01:40:40,072 --> 01:40:48,092
Um, and you know, if you are able to alter a lot of people's perceptions about a particular event, you can change that event.

1250
01:40:48,092 --> 01:40:48,412
Right.

1251
01:40:48,471 --> 01:40:50,872
So, um, you can also change how people behave.

1252
01:40:50,951 --> 01:40:53,971
I mean, that's the, it's the easiest way to influence human behavior too.

1253
01:40:53,971 --> 01:41:01,311
um so it's not mk ultra mind control necessarily but it's a way of getting p of controlling people

1254
01:41:01,311 --> 01:41:06,992
and controlling human behavior not that we're trying to control human behavior but we've been

1255
01:41:06,992 --> 01:41:12,392
using video generation to tell stories that have never been told before and you've been doing very

1256
01:41:12,392 --> 01:41:17,892
well with them i mean that that's yeah yeah silver lining like you can use these tools to combat

1257
01:41:17,892 --> 01:41:22,632
this stuff too like yeah yeah but at the same time like i said earlier you have to mentally

1258
01:41:22,632 --> 01:41:29,352
prepare yourself not just to use them but consume them um and so you know people need to be just

1259
01:41:29,352 --> 01:41:35,811
able to distinguish between um you know you just i mean it's important to use all the tools that

1260
01:41:35,811 --> 01:41:41,032
are right but it's important to be able to use all the tools at our disposal uh to fight this

1261
01:41:41,032 --> 01:41:45,551
war we also don't want to fall victim to the stuff that they're trying to us to entrap us in right

1262
01:41:45,551 --> 01:41:50,752
either so it's a fine line to walk but you have to be mentally prepared about it it's like being

1263
01:41:50,752 --> 01:41:56,272
like i have a i'm a blue check you know shout out matt you know blue check on twitter fighting the

1264
01:41:56,272 --> 01:42:04,492
globalists blah blah blah it's like tweeting 55 times a day online 24 7 live streaming on spaces

1265
01:42:04,492 --> 01:42:10,292
it's like you're exact you're the globalist wet dream bro like what do you i don't mean you i mean

1266
01:42:10,292 --> 01:42:15,832
just like you know someone doing that it's like well like yes there is something there is ground

1267
01:42:15,832 --> 01:42:21,072
to be gained by being in the you know like when nostor was kind of first kicking off and you know

1268
01:42:21,072 --> 01:42:25,672
i am on there but not with my real name but i remember kind of being like but x is still or

1269
01:42:25,672 --> 01:42:30,772
twitter is still the battleground and that's kind of where the discourse is still happening i think

1270
01:42:30,772 --> 01:42:35,691
that's starting to now i think it's like it's just it we are sort of unfortunately in the dead

1271
01:42:35,691 --> 01:42:40,872
internet shit i mean it's just bots it's terrible discourse you're getting fed crap i never see my

1272
01:42:40,872 --> 01:42:46,931
friends shit anymore it's an ai company ai is overtly taking over the algorithm in like a month's

1273
01:42:46,931 --> 01:42:53,231
time or something it's gonna get weird yeah they're gonna be like look at our animated waifu

1274
01:42:53,231 --> 01:43:01,911
chat bot that's grok yeah that i like i do like that it's like elon's like go up go you need we

1275
01:43:01,911 --> 01:43:08,272
need to have more kids and it's like this anime that's gonna suck you into the universe it's uh

1276
01:43:08,272 --> 01:43:13,512
Yeah, but at the other side of his mouth, Elon's like, the population is declining, you know?

1277
01:43:13,612 --> 01:43:17,632
And then he's like, here, have the sex chatbots so you don't reproduce.

1278
01:43:19,632 --> 01:43:22,272
Who is doing a...

1279
01:43:23,392 --> 01:43:28,231
Who do you guys look to right now that's building out there projects that are being worked on outside of Bitcoin Nostra?

1280
01:43:28,492 --> 01:43:33,551
Anything we discuss? Anything we haven't discussed that you think we should be paying attention to?

1281
01:43:34,992 --> 01:43:37,971
Well, our publishing company is going to be pretty cool.

1282
01:43:38,272 --> 01:43:45,072
um so unfortunately i'll let uh i guess maybe mark enough stuff i don't but you know basically

1283
01:43:45,072 --> 01:43:51,411
i mean all i really know is like at a personal level you know uh my house is now off grid 100

1284
01:43:51,411 --> 01:43:57,032
percent very cool because where i live the power companies are up to no good they are screwing

1285
01:43:57,032 --> 01:44:03,992
people uh just like raising rates 300 with like no justification people are really freaked out

1286
01:44:03,992 --> 01:44:05,512
about how they're going to pay their power bills.

1287
01:44:06,471 --> 01:44:09,451
And I think that's something that's happening in the U.S. too.

1288
01:44:09,572 --> 01:44:13,112
I think it's just going to, you know, probably be happening at a global scale.

1289
01:44:14,272 --> 01:44:18,692
And it's important to be as independent as you can off of the system.

1290
01:44:19,192 --> 01:44:22,352
So, you know, I know other people here that have done that and are doing that.

1291
01:44:22,832 --> 01:44:27,231
I know people that are, you know, expatting to Chile, where I live,

1292
01:44:27,311 --> 01:44:32,092
trying to develop an affordable homestead because you can get clean water

1293
01:44:32,092 --> 01:44:38,192
and a nice size property for pretty cheap down here and trying to build a better life for,

1294
01:44:38,311 --> 01:44:41,471
you know, them and their family and build community down here.

1295
01:44:41,551 --> 01:44:42,811
There's Chileans doing that.

1296
01:44:42,911 --> 01:44:46,672
There's Chileans and expats doing that together, you know.

1297
01:44:47,252 --> 01:44:49,311
So I only really know about that on a personal level.

1298
01:44:49,311 --> 01:44:54,931
And I know, obviously, of people in the states that are also trying to do those things up there.

1299
01:44:54,992 --> 01:44:58,792
But obviously, you know, it can take a lot more capital to do it up in the U.S.

1300
01:44:58,792 --> 01:45:03,112
just because of property prices and things like that and how different it is.

1301
01:45:03,252 --> 01:45:11,832
But ultimately, you know, I think those are the things that anything that contributes to people being more resilient at the family level.

1302
01:45:12,032 --> 01:45:15,051
And then in the neighborhood level, you know, I've always said for a long time,

1303
01:45:15,051 --> 01:45:25,772
we have to focus as locally as we can to prepare ourselves for what they're going to try and thrust upon us to hurt us into these digital corrals.

1304
01:45:25,772 --> 01:45:31,772
So how to not be I mean, we should be focusing as much as possible on how to not be hearded, basically.

1305
01:45:32,811 --> 01:45:36,772
And that necessitates networks of local resilience. Right.

1306
01:45:37,352 --> 01:45:45,992
So, you know, that's basically, you know, what I've been trying to focus on and restarting my garden and all of that kind of stuff.

1307
01:45:46,332 --> 01:45:52,072
So but obviously, you know, that's me focusing on the local trying to, you know, practice what I preach.

1308
01:45:52,072 --> 01:45:57,692
um but i'm i'm sure there's you know a lot of other good stuff going on that i'm just

1309
01:45:57,692 --> 01:46:01,592
not super plugged into because i'm trying to be less plugged in i guess

1310
01:46:01,592 --> 01:46:07,332
in general um because i also have you know three tiny people to take care of and

1311
01:46:07,332 --> 01:46:14,672
uh focus a lot of my time on them too instead of the you know everything everything going on yeah

1312
01:46:14,672 --> 01:46:20,512
i guess i was telling you before we hit record i moved back home to be closer to family three

1313
01:46:20,512 --> 01:46:22,231
little people to take care of as well.

1314
01:46:22,352 --> 01:46:24,072
And it's been extremely rewarding.

1315
01:46:24,211 --> 01:46:26,431
And to your point about online is not the real world.

1316
01:46:26,632 --> 01:46:31,311
Like you can, I moved back to the Philadelphia area where I was born and raised and famously

1317
01:46:31,311 --> 01:46:35,092
in the United States, one of the shit-lib capitals of the country.

1318
01:46:35,411 --> 01:46:39,231
But also, I don't know.

1319
01:46:39,231 --> 01:46:40,811
My family agrees with my political views.

1320
01:46:41,051 --> 01:46:45,832
Some people have been sighed out by things that have happened, but I've found that not

1321
01:46:45,832 --> 01:46:51,352
only my family but in the neighborhood people in the area if you have a conversation and you don't

1322
01:46:51,352 --> 01:46:57,471
get um too aggressive they're typically open to to dialogue 100 i grew up in new england which

1323
01:46:57,471 --> 01:47:02,352
obviously you know you know philly and new england have their have their history but but northeast

1324
01:47:02,352 --> 01:47:08,132
like yeah there's shit lib stuff or whatever but i don't know it's a different kind of shit lib

1325
01:47:08,132 --> 01:47:12,612
like the california shit lib is a little more fucked up than the the northeast shit lib and

1326
01:47:12,612 --> 01:47:17,872
I can say from having lived in both places and like, but I think to your point, Hey, you know,

1327
01:47:17,971 --> 01:47:22,471
leaning into family is the way to go. Um, but yeah, like go meet your neighbor, go talk to your

1328
01:47:22,471 --> 01:47:26,951
neighbor. I mean, that's, that's like, you're going to find you have so much more in common

1329
01:47:26,951 --> 01:47:33,692
with them. Like discourse is not what we see on, on DARPA social networks that are fed by DARPA

1330
01:47:33,692 --> 01:47:37,811
algorithms that, you know, like that's not really discourse. It's simulated discourse.

1331
01:47:37,811 --> 01:47:44,551
it's hyper reality like the touch grass meme is a little overdone but like go knock on doors go

1332
01:47:44,551 --> 01:47:49,311
meet your neighbors like i don't know they may be crazy they may be awesome they may be crazy

1333
01:47:49,311 --> 01:47:55,051
awesome they may be all the things and and and that's just like it's it's trite it sounds stupid

1334
01:47:55,051 --> 01:48:00,592
it sounds so like cliche but like those are the people that are going to be around you and near

1335
01:48:00,592 --> 01:48:05,792
you when if shit goes down and you need to build relationships with them like the whole idea of

1336
01:48:05,792 --> 01:48:12,632
decentralizing and all this shit we talk about, like, what if you need a, a, a, a, a cup of sugar,

1337
01:48:12,632 --> 01:48:17,252
you know, like you go to your, uh, your neighbor, you know, we need to be able to bring back barter

1338
01:48:17,252 --> 01:48:21,672
and all of these things that doesn't, that doesn't happen from being on Instagram. You know,

1339
01:48:21,692 --> 01:48:26,032
it happens from going and meeting the people in your, at your farmer's market or this or whatever.

1340
01:48:26,032 --> 01:48:30,731
And I don't know all the things that he said to getting yourself ready to take care of your

1341
01:48:30,731 --> 01:48:36,471
neighbors if something gets fucked up have chickens have a garden have a well have solar whatever it

1342
01:48:36,471 --> 01:48:41,612
is so that you can help your neighbors when when shit goes down but you have to meet them and know

1343
01:48:41,612 --> 01:48:45,532
them and be prepared yourself for any of that to happen because like the covid era was all about

1344
01:48:45,532 --> 01:48:50,711
getting us locked in our homes and like not talking to other people and and now they want us

1345
01:48:50,711 --> 01:48:55,811
to just talk to ai about everything and have conversations with ai and not with real people

1346
01:48:55,811 --> 01:49:00,632
so build it like mark said building real connections is super important and what they

1347
01:49:00,632 --> 01:49:06,832
don't want you to do yeah and get into group chats not posting on the timeline go go get

1348
01:49:06,832 --> 01:49:12,092
discourse going and brewing with the boys and the gals and and and that's that's to me what the

1349
01:49:12,092 --> 01:49:17,512
social media stuff is from like i've met so many important people in my life just because of twitter

1350
01:49:17,512 --> 01:49:21,551
like i'm not going to say that like i got my job because of twitter a lot of these things i found

1351
01:49:21,551 --> 01:49:25,872
like community during COVID because of it and a lot of other way more important things.

1352
01:49:26,332 --> 01:49:30,811
But there's also all of the things that we've said in this last two hours or whatever is

1353
01:49:30,811 --> 01:49:31,612
also all true.

1354
01:49:31,832 --> 01:49:36,311
So, you know, nurture the relationships you can from these things, but don't get caught

1355
01:49:36,311 --> 01:49:36,711
up in them.

1356
01:49:36,792 --> 01:49:38,392
Don't let them use you, use them.

1357
01:49:38,832 --> 01:49:42,292
And I think the best way to do that is like, understand it's about connecting with the

1358
01:49:42,292 --> 01:49:47,372
people, go see them, go meet them, go, go talk with them on another platform, go figure

1359
01:49:47,372 --> 01:49:51,132
out other ways so that if your, you know, group chat gets blown up, you can still talk

1360
01:49:51,132 --> 01:49:56,672
to them on another thing or whatever and forge real relationships that aren't reliant on centralized

1361
01:49:56,672 --> 01:50:01,811
algorithms and centralized platforms and so you can have resilient relationships at the local and

1362
01:50:01,811 --> 01:50:06,692
international level yeah and the last thing i'll say because i forgot to mention earlier go watch

1363
01:50:06,692 --> 01:50:12,572
hyper normalization like this whole al-qaeda guy thing uh yeah it's like the reverse gaddafi

1364
01:50:12,572 --> 01:50:19,012
storyline and hyper yeah totally totally but like i said earlier they repeat the same tactics and

1365
01:50:19,012 --> 01:50:23,872
crap all the time yeah yeah so the more you learn about how they've done this in the past the more

1366
01:50:23,872 --> 01:50:27,532
you'll be able to recognize how they're doing the same crap now like they're not creative

1367
01:50:27,532 --> 01:50:32,492
yeah focus on the qaddafi storyline and hyper normalization then compare it to the al-qaeda

1368
01:50:32,492 --> 01:50:37,352
guy that's going on right now it's like very very similar yeah it's it's bonkers but it's very

1369
01:50:37,352 --> 01:50:46,292
disturbing um oh man well i probably have to go uh yeah pick up one of my tiny people from school

1370
01:50:46,292 --> 01:50:51,672
here in a little bit but it's been great catching up marty hopefully we won't have to wait 10 and a

1371
01:50:51,672 --> 01:50:58,532
half months to do it again well i will i will wait patiently if it does good luck to the both of you

1372
01:50:58,532 --> 01:51:04,451
with paper cut um thanks marty yeah thanks brother and we'll uh we'll do it again absolutely

1373
01:51:04,451 --> 01:51:07,892
all right sounds good cheers everybody thanks for having us