1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,960 You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free. 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,720 If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,920 So it's all acting like safe haven. 4 00:00:18,460 --> 00:00:23,520 I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:28,500 currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. 6 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:31,400 I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin. 7 00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:34,260 If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,080 Johnny Vance, welcome to the show. 9 00:00:38,540 --> 00:00:40,180 Thanks, Marty. So great to be here. 10 00:00:41,460 --> 00:00:54,540 I don't know if this is bigger for me or for you, because you have had a direct impact on the education of my two children, particularly my older son. 11 00:00:54,540 --> 00:01:09,140 But the younger son picks it up, too, as a writer and director for Tuttle Twins, an incredibly educational and based cartoon that as a parent, I feel comfortable allowing my children to watch. 12 00:01:09,220 --> 00:01:10,240 So thank you for doing that. 13 00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:12,200 Thanks for having me, man. 14 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,080 I mean, we just make this show in a dinky little office. 15 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,680 And so the fact that it's in people's living rooms is always a surprise to us. 16 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:21,060 We just see numbers on a screen. 17 00:01:21,060 --> 00:01:23,620 And so we're like, wow. 18 00:01:23,620 --> 00:01:25,920 So, yeah, an honor to be in your living room, Marty. 19 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,880 Well, that's what I'm curious. 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:38,280 I mean, it's such a great idea because I think that's a big topic, particularly in Bitcoin circles, but even more broadly with millennial parents. 21 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:48,060 And obviously a big topic is screen time, whether or not you give a kid an iPad, whether you let them watch TV, if you do, for how long, what shows. 22 00:01:48,060 --> 00:02:02,420 And I think over the last couple of decades, the spectrum of content available for kids has become incredibly woke or incredibly dumbed down. 23 00:02:03,020 --> 00:02:11,220 And it's hard as a parent because sometimes you do need a 30 to an hour break to get something done. 24 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:15,200 And sometimes the screen is the best thing to do if they're tired playing for the day. 25 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:21,580 and it's hard to find good content and when Puddle Twins first came out we immediately became 26 00:02:21,580 --> 00:02:28,440 guild members and and felt very comfortable putting the boys uh in front of in front of 27 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,920 a screen to watch this content because it's incredibly educational and more importantly 28 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:41,700 uh its values align with what our values are as parents what we'd like to convey to to the boys 29 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:46,800 about values and things they should be learning about at a young age. 30 00:02:48,020 --> 00:02:53,940 That's so awesome. Yeah. I mean, I make the show and I limit screen time for my kids. And so I'm 31 00:02:53,940 --> 00:02:58,680 right in the same boat with you. But it's like, who would you rather have babysit your kids? You 32 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:06,980 know, Elmo or Mises, you know, and if they can learn something that can help them in life, 33 00:03:06,980 --> 00:03:21,020 That's been sort of our guiding North Star is let's make this as fun as Phineas and Ferb, but let's put in lessons from these Austrian economists or, you know, anti-Marxist lessons or kind of reveal things. 34 00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:24,300 So kids are equipped with critical thinking skills for the real world. 35 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,660 So it's really cool to see you found value in what we're doing. 36 00:03:27,660 --> 00:03:36,220 well i mean to that point too i think there's a mass misunderstanding of the ability for 37 00:03:36,220 --> 00:03:40,700 children to pick up these topics because was it last week or two weeks ago i was sending you 38 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:46,300 a video of my son just um for some reason he was like daddy take a video i want to talk about 39 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:51,820 bitcoin and he was just spitting out facts that he learned from the two bitcoin focus episodes of 40 00:03:51,820 --> 00:03:59,020 Tunnel Twins. And as a father, as a Bitcoiner, I was incredibly impressed at how well he picked up 41 00:03:59,020 --> 00:04:07,860 on the themes and the facts around Bitcoin. To me, I truly believe he has internalized them and 42 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:12,880 intuitively understands the concepts where most people think you need to put your kids in front 43 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:18,620 of like Hot Wheels or Paw Patrol, whatever it be, something that's at their level. But I think people 44 00:04:18,620 --> 00:04:25,560 really underestimate the ability for young children, specifically my son's five, to pick 45 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,540 up pretty complex topics if it's portrayed in a fun and educational way. 46 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:36,140 Kids are incredibly smart. I think, yeah, we've just dumbed them down or, you know, 47 00:04:36,180 --> 00:04:43,960 underestimated them. My kid was, my son is six now and we were out fundraising, going door to 48 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,540 door. He was selling some cookies that he'd made and this woman tried to pay him in cash. 49 00:04:48,620 --> 00:04:56,440 and he was like, I'd prefer not. And I said, sorry, he's worried about inflation. 50 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:05,020 And she's like, she was laughing. She ended up being a Tuttle Twins fan, but it's just so crazy. 51 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,980 Yeah, these kids can pick it up so fast. And I don't know about you, Marty, but like, I didn't 52 00:05:09,980 --> 00:05:16,640 learn many of these principles until post-college. And so the fact that these kids are being set up, 53 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:23,880 Like just seeing that video of your son rattle off all these these truths and facts about Bitcoin and inflation is awesome. 54 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:29,480 Like these kids are miles ahead of where I was growing up and they're they're so set. 55 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:45,260 Yeah, my wife, one of her favorite sort of TikTok clips to send around or Twitter clips is the clip of the man on the street interview on the college campus where somebody from Tuttle Twins is asking about inflation. 56 00:05:45,260 --> 00:05:51,420 and you have a bunch of 19 to 22 year olds who can't answer the question and you're going to 57 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:56,340 kids age six to 12 that can answer it pretty eloquently and on the spot. 58 00:05:57,980 --> 00:06:04,800 It isn't, it's insane when, when you think about just how dumbed down society has become. And 59 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,740 again, going back to this idea that I think people really underappreciate that children 60 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:14,740 have the capacity to learn and actually want to learn. Um, I remember how excited the boys were 61 00:06:14,740 --> 00:06:20,840 when the second Bitcoin episode came out, they sat down, they watched it once. And I think they 62 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:27,240 watched it like two or three times the days after that, but they were like excited to learn more 63 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:34,500 about Bitcoin and really, again, internalized it. And I guess, how did you get into 64 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:42,340 cartooning and how did you decide on this particular sort of medium and Tuttle Twins 65 00:06:42,340 --> 00:06:49,520 of the show specifically. Yeah. So Daniel Harmon and I, we co-founded Tuttle Twins TV show. 66 00:06:50,180 --> 00:06:55,820 We'd been at an ad agency called Harmer Brothers. That's where I started right out of school. 67 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,780 And so we were known for viral internet ads. So if you remember like the pooping unicorn for 68 00:07:00,780 --> 00:07:06,580 squatty potty or like purple mattress or Lumi deodorant, we'd blown up a lot of brands and made 69 00:07:06,580 --> 00:07:12,000 them a lot of money. But we were just kind of sick of doing it for other people. And we were 70 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,700 sick of not being able to do storytelling. We kind of had this itch for we want to tell stories. 71 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:22,060 And we had a good friend named Connor Boyack. And at the time, he'd written these books, 72 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:26,100 the Tuttle Twins original series. And we approached Connor and we're like, Connor, 73 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:32,580 we think we can crowdfund a TV show. We don't know. We don't know what the demand is like. But 74 00:07:32,580 --> 00:07:38,960 you know, we have these storytelling chops, we can explain things, complex things like the 75 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:44,600 puerilectalis muscle in three minutes. You know, we can explain things really simply and we can 76 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:50,460 make them funny. What if we made a kids TV show about Tuttle Twins and, you know, basically made 77 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:56,420 it the MCU of Tuttle Twins. And Connor loved the idea. And then we launched a crowdfunding campaign 78 00:07:56,420 --> 00:08:03,420 like 2019, right before the pandemic. And we were shocked to see all the demand that parents had 79 00:08:03,420 --> 00:08:10,480 for the show. And we ended up raising $4.5 million from the crowd. We broke a record for 80 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:16,680 the most crowdfunded kids show. And we were just blown away by, oh my gosh, there's demand. 81 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:23,060 Parents want this. And so that, you know, season one was finished or was funded. 82 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:30,260 And it's been a grind ever since, but we've now, you know, completed season two, season three, 83 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:36,280 and we're going to be launching season four in the fall. And it really is all due to these parents 84 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:42,820 who crowdfunded it and continue to support us. And, uh, and, and we continue to be beholden to 85 00:08:42,820 --> 00:08:48,740 them. I think that's a key part is we're serving this audience. We're not serving some agenda or 86 00:08:48,740 --> 00:08:55,960 some other like metric or some kind of woke checkbox kind of thing. We are serving these 87 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,280 parents and we're here as a tool for you to teach the principles you already believe in 88 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:07,480 to your kids in an easy and fun way. And I think the model of Angel Studio is really cool too. 89 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,840 Like I mentioned, we're guild members. And I think in this day and age where you have 90 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:21,860 the behemoths like Disney, Netflix, Nickelodeon, Amazon as well, and like finding a unique way to 91 00:09:21,860 --> 00:09:27,500 compete and provide optionality for parents looking to get their kids away from the slop is 92 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:33,960 extremely important. Totally. Do you want me to talk, go into the angel model? 93 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,860 Yeah. So like let's describe like the angel list or excuse me, the angel studio model. 94 00:09:40,660 --> 00:09:45,820 So, so traditionally in Hollywood, you have kind of this top down, very centralized model where you 95 00:09:45,820 --> 00:09:49,980 have this room full of executive producers, the Kathleen Kennedys of the world, green light, 96 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:57,660 what they think your kids need, right? It's very central planning. And then you get, you know, 97 00:09:57,860 --> 00:10:04,040 you get the acolyte is what you get from that. And you get Snow White. And eventually Hollywood 98 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:10,320 has a reckoning, you know, several years down the road when they have box office bomb after bomb 99 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:17,600 after bomb. Angel's system is different where it's a bottom up decentralized kind of executive 100 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:24,520 model, a bit like Bitcoin, where nothing gets greenlit at Angel unless it passes the Guild. 101 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:30,340 Now, the Guild is a group of 1.2 million, basically, subscribers to Angel, but they're 102 00:10:30,340 --> 00:10:32,240 also kind of executives. 103 00:10:32,940 --> 00:10:38,900 And how it functions is it's the wisdom of the crowds kind of principle, where if you 104 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:42,940 read the book, The Wisdom of the Crowds, it basically shows that crowds, when they're 105 00:10:42,940 --> 00:10:48,500 not in a mob, when they can think independently, they get things right much better than experts. 106 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:53,920 So you look at who wants to be a millionaire and ask the audience is more right than ask, 107 00:10:54,020 --> 00:10:58,800 you know, call an expert. And it's the same principle here where, you know, you can show 108 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:05,020 something to these, the 1.2 million members of the Angel Guild. And if they like it, 109 00:11:05,260 --> 00:11:09,360 it's probably going to do well in theaters. It's probably going to do well over the long term. 110 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:15,080 And it's just completing this feedback loop that Hollywood has just totally destroyed. 111 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:24,080 And so the end result is, I think this last year in 2024, Angel was top 10 in the studio box office. 112 00:11:24,700 --> 00:11:32,100 And their Rotten Tomatoes popcorn meter, the audience score is a 95% on average. 113 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,300 And I think Disney's something like a 74 or something like that. 114 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:43,140 So they're the number one in the industry and it's all because they kind of create created it bottom up to listen to the audience. 115 00:11:44,400 --> 00:12:04,400 Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to me because, again, going whether it's Tuttle Twins or any of the other content on on Angel, I think it's it's information and immediate different types of mediums and storylines that people are are thirsting for. 116 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:10,420 I think it was funny seeing the – I'm sure you've seen the trailer for Spaceballs, too. 117 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,140 And just the – they've made 32 Marvel Universe movies. 118 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:22,220 They've made how many Star Wars movies over the last three decades. 119 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,460 Like it's just a repeat. 120 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,260 You can tell there's really no creativity in Hollywood anymore, 121 00:12:28,260 --> 00:12:35,080 which is ironic considering they're supposed to be one of the major creative forces in the world. 122 00:12:35,180 --> 00:12:40,820 They've got sort of lazy, complacent, and I guess really industrialized in the sense that they know 123 00:12:40,820 --> 00:12:46,200 what inputs will produce certain monetary outputs or at least did for a period of time. 124 00:12:46,300 --> 00:12:51,740 But as you mentioned, that impact seems to be waning as people are like, 125 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:56,080 all right, I don't need another superhero movie. Let's go on to something new here. 126 00:12:58,260 --> 00:13:23,320 Yeah, I, you know, in thinking about it, it's hard not to kind of step out of the Bitcoin mindset of fiat ruins everything. But I think there's a lot of weight to the idea that fiat has ruined film, where you look even like a decade or two ago, and movies were just much more high quality, like the VFX holds up way better than some of these, you know, most recent movies. 127 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:31,720 and you look at the kind of macro picture these studios operate on razor thin margins 128 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:38,000 they're beholden to wall street they're beholden to esg scores they're beholden to oscar kind of 129 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:44,900 quotas diversity quotas and um they have to operate at such short you know term thinking 130 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:50,580 such high time preference where i don't know about you my favorite trilogy is the lord of the rings 131 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:53,040 and just looking at the Lord of the Rings, 132 00:13:53,180 --> 00:13:54,200 like even back then, 133 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,300 granted they had some subsidies too 134 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:57,820 to lessen the economic pressures, 135 00:13:57,980 --> 00:14:01,420 but they could spend years preparing for that movie, 136 00:14:01,940 --> 00:14:02,920 for all three movies. 137 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:04,960 Like there was like chain mail artists 138 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,140 who literally spent two years 139 00:14:07,140 --> 00:14:22,342 making 80 million little chains for the armor of the movie you know and you just don have the time or the money the attention to be able to do that today Um and so I think as a result 140 00:14:22,342 --> 00:14:28,543 we do get lots of, you know, really low risk bets, like sequels and reboots and everything. 141 00:14:28,543 --> 00:14:34,522 And you can't tell original storytelling anymore. Yeah. It's like the, one of the 142 00:14:34,522 --> 00:14:41,423 themes on X over the last week has been people making fun of the CGI of the new Superman movie. 143 00:14:41,423 --> 00:14:45,183 It's just like incredibly piss poor. And that's like I've talked to, 144 00:14:45,242 --> 00:14:50,842 got a couple of buddies in the film industry and that are becoming Bitcoiners and they're 145 00:14:51,382 --> 00:14:58,543 like really interested to see how like Bitcoin as a treasury assets on the production company's 146 00:14:58,543 --> 00:15:04,622 balance sheet could help them really reorient and get back to low time preference movie making, 147 00:15:04,862 --> 00:15:09,803 which makes a lot of sense. If you have a long-term view, like four years, I don't know 148 00:15:09,803 --> 00:15:14,142 how long it takes to make a movie from beginning to end, but if you have a production company, 149 00:15:14,183 --> 00:15:19,582 it's going to make many movies. Deciding to put Bitcoin on your company balance sheet so that you 150 00:15:19,582 --> 00:15:23,702 can actually create quality over the long run makes a lot of sense to me. And there's 151 00:15:23,702 --> 00:15:29,462 really interesting ways that you can finance productions with Bitcoin now as well, 152 00:15:29,683 --> 00:15:36,163 the early days. But that's something that excites me, like equipping production studios, 153 00:15:36,342 --> 00:15:42,882 directors, writers with hard money that allows them to focus on their craft instead of being 154 00:15:42,882 --> 00:15:49,642 pushed into this high velocity burn and churn sort of model just to get things out there to 155 00:15:49,642 --> 00:15:54,202 to get revenue to make sure that you're outpacing inflation is incredibly exciting. 156 00:15:54,722 --> 00:15:55,242 It's wild. 157 00:15:56,442 --> 00:15:56,923 Yeah. 158 00:15:57,022 --> 00:16:00,803 Angel announced this a few months ago, but they have a Bitcoin treasury. 159 00:16:01,043 --> 00:16:06,783 So Angel Studios, I think to my knowledge is the first, you know, studio to have a Bitcoin 160 00:16:06,783 --> 00:16:07,142 treasury. 161 00:16:07,362 --> 00:16:10,563 So I think it's like 300 Bitcoin and counting so far. 162 00:16:10,962 --> 00:16:16,783 But the long-term vision for that is exactly what you said, where they can have, they're 163 00:16:16,783 --> 00:16:20,902 calling it an endowment for the arts where you could have your operating company, but then you 164 00:16:20,902 --> 00:16:25,742 can have the Bitcoin treasury. So then you can really just, you know, tell stories that matter. 165 00:16:25,842 --> 00:16:30,683 I think a lot of people from the angel crowd know angel from the chosen or from sound of freedom or 166 00:16:30,683 --> 00:16:35,102 Tuttletons, but they don't. And then they look at the Bitcoin play and they're like, what it doesn't, 167 00:16:35,183 --> 00:16:40,382 one of these things doesn't make sense. But the, the, the angel founders are big Bitcoiners. 168 00:16:40,543 --> 00:16:45,082 They see the future of this. They see that, you know, Hollywood was built on the gold standard 169 00:16:45,082 --> 00:16:51,683 and now you know we can go back to that renaissance of good storytelling when you have the time and 170 00:16:51,683 --> 00:16:57,563 when you have you know the the money that appreciates faster than inflation so yeah it's 171 00:16:57,563 --> 00:17:04,082 exciting just to see you know even in the next 10 years disney's operating i think last year they did 172 00:17:04,082 --> 00:17:11,882 like 91 billion in revenue their their their profit was like 5 billion so they're operating 173 00:17:11,882 --> 00:17:16,063 and most of that's coming from the parks it's not even coming from their movies like snow white 174 00:17:16,063 --> 00:17:24,703 didn't help them with their profit margin so you know it's for us for bitcoiners just seeing where 175 00:17:24,703 --> 00:17:31,523 this is going it's not i mean it might sound crazy now but having a bitcoin backed movie studio 176 00:17:31,523 --> 00:17:40,563 surpassing a fiat based uh you know turd maker uh studio um that's not too far-fetched 177 00:17:40,563 --> 00:17:44,902 no it's really not i didn't realize hollywood was built on the gold standard 178 00:17:44,902 --> 00:17:52,783 yeah back in the day uh yeah bank bankers um well i think actually it was built on investment 179 00:17:52,783 --> 00:17:58,382 before they started taking out debt right so the the movie makers had actually they owned their own 180 00:17:58,382 --> 00:18:04,203 studios they owned their own theaters and then that was broken up but then they they uh leaned 181 00:18:04,203 --> 00:18:12,063 into to gold as well yeah what uh what is the most rewarding part of of what you're building 182 00:18:12,063 --> 00:18:22,763 at total twins and because it is i i think for another example um my sister-in-law uh she's in 183 00:18:22,763 --> 00:18:30,602 the industry as well and she went to um she went to her my nephew's class for career day 184 00:18:30,602 --> 00:18:35,922 and she had to explain Bitcoin and she actually just used a three minute clip from Tuttle Twins 185 00:18:35,922 --> 00:18:40,662 to sort of convey the message of Bitcoin to my nephew's class. 186 00:18:40,783 --> 00:18:42,182 And she said it was incredibly impactful. 187 00:18:42,742 --> 00:18:48,682 And so it's like little, and that's the beauty of the guild and just what you build 188 00:18:48,682 --> 00:18:55,242 because you can produce the show, launch it, and parents like myself, my sister-in-law watch it 189 00:18:55,242 --> 00:18:56,462 and are like, oh, this is actually valuable. 190 00:18:56,563 --> 00:18:59,222 And then you get it out to other kids at career day. 191 00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:09,502 And I imagine there's many other examples of similar types of interactions that parents have had with other parents and children who have not been exposed to total twins. 192 00:19:10,783 --> 00:19:18,742 Yeah. I mean, I was saying this before, but we just make this in a vacuum where we're just in a dinky little office. 193 00:19:18,742 --> 00:19:25,682 And so it's those stories that definitely make me realize, oh, my gosh, we might be doing something here. 194 00:19:25,682 --> 00:19:32,402 you know we've heard of kids uh asking their parents for allowance in bitcoin and the moms 195 00:19:32,402 --> 00:19:39,662 being like i don't know how to get you bitcoin but having to figure it out we've heard of of kids 196 00:19:39,662 --> 00:19:47,763 standing up to their their principals and teachers um we had a total kid who who had a gadsen flag on 197 00:19:47,763 --> 00:19:54,362 his backpack and his teacher said that's a sign of slavery and the kid knew his history and said 198 00:19:54,362 --> 00:20:00,563 no, it's not. And, and the teacher, the principal absolutely got roasted and the kid was in the 199 00:20:00,563 --> 00:20:06,182 right. We had kids during the pandemic who saw our civil disobedience episode and decided not 200 00:20:06,182 --> 00:20:11,402 to wear a mask to school and went to the principal's office. And so it's like those kinds of stories 201 00:20:11,402 --> 00:20:17,203 where we actually see in practice kids building businesses, like acting out what they see in the 202 00:20:17,203 --> 00:20:24,303 show, that's the fuel for us. It's just, wow. You know, maybe we could change the future of the 203 00:20:24,303 --> 00:20:30,703 country with kids who are so much more prepared than we were and that know, frankly, a lot more 204 00:20:30,703 --> 00:20:36,122 than many politicians. So yeah, it's, it's those little stories that, that really fuel us. 205 00:20:36,582 --> 00:20:42,443 Well, to that last point, I think that's something I've become, or I've really been drawn to. 206 00:20:47,203 --> 00:20:48,242 Is it better now? 207 00:20:48,642 --> 00:20:49,043 Better now. 208 00:20:49,162 --> 00:20:49,263 Yeah. 209 00:20:49,342 --> 00:20:49,783 There we go. 210 00:20:50,263 --> 00:20:56,043 To your last point, it's something I've been really drawn to since my first son was born. 211 00:20:56,763 --> 00:21:00,023 In Bitcoin, we think about fix the money, fix the world. 212 00:21:00,263 --> 00:21:08,962 And my day-to-day is focused on trying to educate as many people about Bitcoin, why it's important, how it works, and how they can use it. 213 00:21:08,962 --> 00:21:17,023 And our core demo here at TFTC and in the newsletter is, I believe, 45 to 50-year-olds. 214 00:21:17,203 --> 00:21:23,043 So we're talking to Gen X and then our second biggest demo is like 55 to 65 year olds. 215 00:21:23,043 --> 00:21:28,722 So like eeking into the boomer reveal sort of landscape. 216 00:21:29,082 --> 00:21:41,203 And I think I've become more convinced that I think the highest leverage, biggest return we're going to get in terms of Bitcoin education is Gen Z, younger Gen Z and Gen Alpha, our children. 217 00:21:41,203 --> 00:21:56,543 And that's another thing, just resigning myself to the fact that, hey, this is going to be a long haul. And actually, the biggest impact we can have is teaching our children these principles from the get go. 218 00:21:56,543 --> 00:22:01,283 And then they grow up internalizing that and applying it to their lives. 219 00:22:01,482 --> 00:22:17,063 And maybe I could see a future where the biggest impact in terms of ushering in a Bitcoin standard is the kids who are five and six today actually applying that to their lives and demanding it because they understand these concepts. 220 00:22:18,063 --> 00:22:19,582 Yeah, it's wild. 221 00:22:19,582 --> 00:22:26,242 I think it's so much easier to teach these principles to kids who have not had to unlearn anything. 222 00:22:26,543 --> 00:22:33,142 Like my son understands Bitcoin, no offense, but way better than my father-in-law. 223 00:22:33,502 --> 00:22:41,682 Because he could just clearly see the emperor is naked and doesn't have to backpedal and say, no, but the clothes are there. 224 00:22:42,402 --> 00:22:47,222 They're just transparent or, you know, whatever fiat games adults have to jump through. 225 00:22:47,783 --> 00:22:49,102 Inflation is necessary. 226 00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:56,322 Anyways, so it's, but I mean, it's so intuitive just to be first principles focused. 227 00:22:56,543 --> 00:22:58,543 And kids get it. They totally get it. 228 00:22:58,543 --> 00:23:07,722 Yeah. And you guys, you're I mean, you're obviously in Angel Studios now and anybody who's downloading Angel has access to Tuttle Twins. 229 00:23:07,803 --> 00:23:18,202 But you've got something big working with the country of Argentina, which I mean, when you think about the potential impact you guys could have with this deal. 230 00:23:18,362 --> 00:23:21,202 I'll let you describe it. That's when things get really exciting. 231 00:23:21,202 --> 00:23:30,543 Yeah, so I'll choose my words carefully because we've had a massive hate campaign from the socialists in Argentina. 232 00:23:31,442 --> 00:23:39,422 But yeah, we've been working with the country of Argentina to get Tuttle Twins on air. 233 00:23:40,023 --> 00:23:46,582 Originally, when Millet won the election, he wanted to privatize the public TV in Argentina. 234 00:23:46,582 --> 00:23:52,783 And keep in mind, this public TV channel called Paka Paka literally showed Marxist propaganda. 235 00:23:52,783 --> 00:24:00,142 They have like something called La Asombrosa Karl Marx, where he's just going around with kids and Karl Marx is just awesome. 236 00:24:00,382 --> 00:24:04,722 And so literal Marxist propaganda. 237 00:24:05,582 --> 00:24:06,722 Mele wanted to shut it down. 238 00:24:06,803 --> 00:24:08,142 The opposition wouldn't let him. 239 00:24:08,783 --> 00:24:11,642 And so the second best thing is to put Tuttle Twins on the air. 240 00:24:11,642 --> 00:24:18,702 So, which right now has, I mean, we've just gotten whole hit pieces written about Tuttle Twins. 241 00:24:19,362 --> 00:24:21,422 They say, you know, they use Milton Friedman. 242 00:24:21,862 --> 00:24:27,763 They use Hayek and they mention a cryptocurrency that Bukele likes. 243 00:24:27,962 --> 00:24:28,882 That was supposed to be a dig. 244 00:24:29,702 --> 00:24:32,682 And anyway, so they've done, they're doing their worst. 245 00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:38,642 And we thought, you know, maybe the worst case scenario is that we privatize Argentine television. 246 00:24:38,642 --> 00:24:43,783 great, but second best is we can get Tuttle Twins and these principles of freedom out to 247 00:24:43,783 --> 00:24:51,102 millions of Argentine families. Well, this gets to a very interesting conversation. You mentioned 248 00:24:51,102 --> 00:24:56,682 the term Marxist propaganda, and that's a whole other concept that I would love 249 00:24:56,682 --> 00:25:01,043 the boys to really understand. I think you guys have touched on it too, is this whole concept of 250 00:25:01,043 --> 00:25:08,142 propaganda. We grew up to learn that propaganda is a bad thing, which when used improperly, 251 00:25:08,142 --> 00:25:20,142 It certainly can be. I would argue that Marxist propaganda is bad because it propagandizes people to do things that are not in their own self-interest or the self-interest of the collective. 252 00:25:20,142 --> 00:25:36,283 But propaganda is a tool that needs to be wielded successfully and meticulously and in a very focused way by people who want their ideals and their principles to be conveyed and adopted. 253 00:25:36,283 --> 00:25:44,182 And so that's something I focus on. I wear it on my sleeve at TFTC. Like, yes, I'm putting out propaganda. 254 00:25:45,523 --> 00:25:52,623 Propaganda is effective when utilized and executed correctly. And it's something that we need to embrace. 255 00:25:52,722 --> 00:25:57,783 Like I'm trying to propagandize my children via the Tuttle Twins. I'm not afraid to admit it. 256 00:25:58,182 --> 00:26:04,142 Like, I think that's where those fence sitters lose the war. It's like everyone is propagating ideas. 257 00:26:04,142 --> 00:26:08,702 if you're not going to propagate slash teach ideas to your kids, someone else will. Like 258 00:26:08,702 --> 00:26:13,822 they're going to learn from the public school. They're going to learn from whatever garbage is 259 00:26:13,822 --> 00:26:18,862 on Disney plus. Um, somebody is going to propagate. It might as well be the ideas that you believe in 260 00:26:18,862 --> 00:26:23,742 and that you believe will set them up for success. I think we will do an episode on propaganda 261 00:26:23,742 --> 00:26:29,882 and, and maybe talk, you know, Ed, uh, it was Edward Bernays or something who was kind of the 262 00:26:29,882 --> 00:26:37,563 father of modern uh pr slash propaganda and how they uh you know got people to join world war one 263 00:26:37,563 --> 00:26:44,842 through some of those films before movies in theaters bring full circle yeah it's something 264 00:26:44,842 --> 00:26:50,283 that needs to be embraced more when like and the way to level the playing field to say hey like you 265 00:26:50,283 --> 00:26:56,783 just mentioned you're going to be propagandized everywhere except that fact and join what uh 266 00:26:56,783 --> 00:27:00,922 these days would be referred to i think the the propaganda wars are more commonly referred to as 267 00:27:00,922 --> 00:27:06,742 meme warfare yeah these days and that's something i think bitcoiners have done an incredible job of 268 00:27:06,742 --> 00:27:13,582 embracing and leaning into and thoughts of bitstein come to mind probably one of bitcoin's 269 00:27:13,582 --> 00:27:21,082 best propagandists that exist out there i think what separates us from the propaganda from the 270 00:27:21,082 --> 00:27:27,803 other side is we're very open like the writings on the packaging we're not trying to hide anything 271 00:27:27,803 --> 00:27:33,902 from parents we're not trying to trojan horse kids where you know with some of the most recent movies 272 00:27:33,902 --> 00:27:39,502 you can go in and just get bombarded by messages that were not on the packaging you know so yeah 273 00:27:39,502 --> 00:27:47,462 what are some examples of uh subversive subversive propaganda in mainstream i mean you had that whole 274 00:27:47,462 --> 00:27:55,942 debacle about the proud family reboot on Disney. Um, yeah, I mean, I feel like they're very common. 275 00:27:55,942 --> 00:28:03,322 I don't want to maybe throw too much mud, but, uh, yeah, there's many, you just look at the 276 00:28:03,322 --> 00:28:10,543 lineup of the past kids movies and probably 50% or more have something that was kind of, 277 00:28:10,702 --> 00:28:17,002 they snuck in there. Yeah. Have you noticed any, um, any other writers, directors, 278 00:28:17,462 --> 00:28:23,162 cartoonist for seeing what you and the team have done at Tuttle Twins and saying, Oh, 279 00:28:23,162 --> 00:28:38,945 wow I should get into this Do you think you inspiring others to to get into this type of genre of of cartoon or or child programming Yeah I mean we we heard from many behind the scenes We love what 280 00:28:38,945 --> 00:28:44,325 you guys are doing. We can't kind of publicly come out and say that, but keep up the good work. 281 00:28:45,425 --> 00:28:52,865 Angel is kind of building this island for artists that just want to do art. And it's interesting, 282 00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:58,625 Like you can't make it so divisive that none of the good talent from Hollywood will come over. 283 00:28:59,365 --> 00:29:09,745 But there are many causative libertarian slash conservative actors, producers, directors in Hollywood that want to make great films with great messaging. 284 00:29:09,985 --> 00:29:10,785 They just can't. 285 00:29:10,865 --> 00:29:11,805 They get blackballed. 286 00:29:11,805 --> 00:29:14,925 And so Angel is that escape valve. 287 00:29:15,585 --> 00:29:18,345 And there's room for good stories. 288 00:29:18,525 --> 00:29:22,445 There's room for conservative or libertarian or freedom thinking messaging. 289 00:29:22,865 --> 00:29:30,845 And there's certainly appetite for it. It's just you can't go through the traditional gatekeepers. You can't go through Kathleen Kennedy. You have to go outside of that. 290 00:29:30,845 --> 00:29:37,725 yeah and it's never been when you think of i wrote about this there's like a lot of doomerism 291 00:29:37,725 --> 00:29:44,925 out there and times certainly aren't as best as they could be a lot of the fiat rift has leaked 292 00:29:44,925 --> 00:29:51,745 into many parts of our lives but i like to look at the positive side of things the silver lining 293 00:29:51,745 --> 00:29:56,965 like the the technology that we have today what we're doing right now different parts of the 294 00:29:56,965 --> 00:30:03,285 country, recording a video, using mics. We'll distribute this over RSS, YouTube, Rumble, 295 00:30:03,685 --> 00:30:10,305 and we'll get it out there, our newsletters. And you think of platforms like X, while they're 296 00:30:10,305 --> 00:30:16,965 double-edged swords, they can feed you the algorithmic slop, or you can find signal if you 297 00:30:16,965 --> 00:30:22,725 know how to filter through all the noise. It's never been easier for an independent creator to 298 00:30:22,725 --> 00:30:28,805 put some hard work and passion into the project they really care about and then get it out to 299 00:30:28,805 --> 00:30:36,405 the world, which makes me incredibly optimistic because I would not have probably if these tools 300 00:30:36,405 --> 00:30:40,885 didn't exist, I probably wouldn't have learned the total twins because I was completely unaware 301 00:30:40,885 --> 00:30:45,445 of Angel Studios until I started seeing Bitcoiners talk about total twins on X. And I was like, 302 00:30:45,445 --> 00:30:46,465 yeah, I'm going to check this out. 303 00:30:48,025 --> 00:30:48,945 It's incredible. 304 00:30:50,485 --> 00:30:54,805 The modern day, as it stands in 2025, 305 00:30:55,045 --> 00:30:57,085 it's never been easier to access the right information. 306 00:30:57,265 --> 00:31:01,425 I think the focus needs to be on educating people 307 00:31:01,425 --> 00:31:02,865 how to filter through all the noise 308 00:31:02,865 --> 00:31:06,745 because there's a ton of noise and very little signal 309 00:31:06,745 --> 00:31:08,405 in the noise-to-signal ratio. 310 00:31:08,945 --> 00:31:10,985 But if you can find the signal, it's out there, 311 00:31:10,985 --> 00:31:13,925 and people just need to be better equipped to find it. 312 00:31:13,925 --> 00:31:22,605 yeah it used to be the signal was very very strong three channels johnny carson if you can 313 00:31:22,605 --> 00:31:28,685 make it on that show everyone in america knew you right but now i guess the the benefit of it not 314 00:31:28,685 --> 00:31:35,545 being so centralized is uh government can't control the public narrative nearly as much 315 00:31:35,545 --> 00:31:41,805 and uh yeah i think the the disadvantage is yeah the good signal is a little bit harder to find 316 00:31:41,805 --> 00:31:42,785 You have to weep through it. 317 00:31:43,285 --> 00:31:44,965 I'm having flashbacks to TV Guide. 318 00:31:45,125 --> 00:31:46,285 I remember TV Guide. 319 00:31:46,505 --> 00:31:48,585 I remember going to my grandparents' house, 320 00:31:48,865 --> 00:31:53,525 and when you try to plan your Friday night out at your grandparents, 321 00:31:53,805 --> 00:31:57,925 it's like you get a TV Guide, and you look through what's it going to be on each channel, 322 00:31:58,145 --> 00:31:58,885 and you're going to find it. 323 00:31:58,965 --> 00:32:05,165 Thinking about how manual of a process and antiquated that seems today is insane. 324 00:32:05,765 --> 00:32:06,385 Yeah, it is. 325 00:32:06,385 --> 00:32:06,745 Yeah. 326 00:32:06,745 --> 00:32:15,365 the uh what um so you guys are working on season four right now what are some that you mentioned 327 00:32:15,365 --> 00:32:20,625 propaganda something you might want to touch on like what other what other topics like you guys 328 00:32:20,625 --> 00:32:27,125 have covered a lot already in um the first three seasons but what like how how much more do you 329 00:32:27,125 --> 00:32:33,445 think you guys have to dive into i mean as long as there's appetite our goal is to just have one 330 00:32:33,445 --> 00:32:42,545 more season than the Simpsons. So just a small goal. But yeah, for season four, I think one thing 331 00:32:42,545 --> 00:32:48,545 we've been conscious of is we don't want to black pill kids. And as we've gone season by season, 332 00:32:48,545 --> 00:32:54,885 we can go more out on the branch for some of these topics. We can go down the rabbit hole. 333 00:32:54,885 --> 00:33:03,585 and yeah so some of the topics that we're working on for season four is one is the overpopulation 334 00:33:03,585 --> 00:33:10,065 myth we want kids to feel that the world is big enough for all of us and that more people more 335 00:33:10,065 --> 00:33:17,425 problem solving so there was a clip I saw recently from Captain Planet back in the day and it's they 336 00:33:17,425 --> 00:33:24,485 was so like they were just reading the population bomb and and spitting it out there towards kids 337 00:33:24,485 --> 00:33:29,265 It's how damaging, like you shouldn't have big families because the world will end and, 338 00:33:29,265 --> 00:33:31,685 and, um, the opposite's been true. 339 00:33:31,905 --> 00:33:33,925 So we're really excited about that one. 340 00:33:34,125 --> 00:33:39,165 We have some amazing guest stars that we haven't yet announced for its season four. 341 00:33:39,165 --> 00:33:45,445 We have one on the, uh, uh, bad effects of charity, where if charity done wrong can just 342 00:33:45,445 --> 00:33:49,105 totally create dependency of a nation and cripple entire industries. 343 00:33:49,285 --> 00:33:51,445 And so it must be done correctly. 344 00:33:51,445 --> 00:33:54,105 and, you know, teach a man to fish kind of message. 345 00:33:54,605 --> 00:33:58,405 We have one on the food industrial complex that we're so excited to launch. 346 00:33:59,525 --> 00:34:04,125 And to kind of go into both the cronyism that's happened behind the scenes. 347 00:34:04,485 --> 00:34:11,465 And I think we'll have an anthropomorphic food pyramid that just finds out that she's a lie. 348 00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:16,285 It's a food pyramid scheme of sorts. 349 00:34:18,425 --> 00:34:19,865 Yeah, let's see what else. 350 00:34:19,865 --> 00:34:41,425 Yeah, we have one on DEI. We're going to kind of, we're going to debunk it. We're going to have Thomas Sowell in the episode and just show kids, you know, equity versus merit. Let's focus on merit. So just, just stuff that hopefully they'll have the anecdote for a lot of the poison that they're going to be exposed to, you know, in the coming years in school. 351 00:34:42,065 --> 00:34:44,385 Is Thomas Sowell going to do his own voice or? 352 00:34:44,385 --> 00:34:46,425 So Thomas Sowell is a recluse 353 00:34:46,425 --> 00:34:50,185 And so we're going to do a younger Thomas Sowell back in the day 354 00:34:50,185 --> 00:34:52,345 But if we could get old Thomas Sowell 355 00:34:52,345 --> 00:34:54,545 He only comes out for book signings 356 00:34:54,545 --> 00:34:55,465 The Hoover Institute 357 00:34:55,465 --> 00:34:56,385 That's right 358 00:34:56,385 --> 00:34:57,165 Yeah 359 00:34:57,165 --> 00:34:58,905 Those interviews are incredible 360 00:34:58,905 --> 00:35:01,125 We'll see if we can get him at least a cameo 361 00:35:01,125 --> 00:35:01,965 Is the goal 362 00:35:01,965 --> 00:35:04,825 It's just it's kind of like pull the teeth to get him 363 00:35:04,825 --> 00:35:06,425 Well it's like modern day 364 00:35:06,425 --> 00:35:11,025 You can use like 11 labs to create his voice pretty accurately 365 00:35:11,025 --> 00:35:11,865 Yeah 366 00:35:11,865 --> 00:35:22,005 Most of the time, if somebody is living like Thomas, I mean, we just get the person. He is one of the greatest thinkers of our time and the most reclusive too. 367 00:35:22,365 --> 00:35:24,625 And he's getting old. He's in his 90s, isn't he? 368 00:35:24,625 --> 00:35:25,625 Yeah, he's 90s. 369 00:35:25,625 --> 00:35:25,845 Yeah. 370 00:35:26,205 --> 00:35:26,485 Yeah. 371 00:35:27,905 --> 00:35:28,905 It's fascinating. 372 00:35:30,245 --> 00:35:32,145 I was thinking of the population. It is. 373 00:35:32,805 --> 00:35:39,785 It's population that typically gets tied in with climate change and all that. 374 00:35:39,785 --> 00:35:44,785 But I'm just thinking through my mind, I'm sure you guys are already well on your way to the lining. 375 00:35:44,905 --> 00:35:47,805 But like you touch like Japan, like what's going on with their demographic. 376 00:35:48,485 --> 00:35:53,805 Because it is something that kids really need to internalize, like our generation. 377 00:35:54,485 --> 00:35:54,685 Yeah. 378 00:35:55,125 --> 00:36:01,605 Like when you think about when we get older, there's going to be a problem with there already is a problem with Social Security. 379 00:36:01,725 --> 00:36:06,845 But like you have many more people aging out than are coming below them. 380 00:36:06,845 --> 00:36:16,485 And that's something I care deeply about is like later in life, like thinking like when my parent, my mom gets older, when my wife's parents get older, like how do we take care of them? 381 00:36:16,545 --> 00:36:23,425 Like I don't want to push them into into a home like you need a strong economic foundation. 382 00:36:23,425 --> 00:36:33,185 And I think more importantly, social foundations, really, that's what I would like to instill in my boys is like, hey, don't put us in a home when we're older. 383 00:36:33,645 --> 00:36:36,265 Like we should live in a multigenerational house. 384 00:36:36,265 --> 00:36:37,625 is something I would like to see. 385 00:36:38,865 --> 00:36:41,205 I would like to see that trend come back 386 00:36:41,205 --> 00:36:43,045 where we're not just dumping our own stuff. 387 00:36:43,145 --> 00:36:44,525 Because I've had the incredible experience 388 00:36:44,525 --> 00:36:48,425 of three out of my four grandparents have passed, 389 00:36:48,585 --> 00:36:51,345 but each one of them died in their own home 390 00:36:51,345 --> 00:36:54,165 and hospice surrounded by my aunts, my uncles, 391 00:36:54,265 --> 00:36:55,185 my cousins, myself. 392 00:36:55,625 --> 00:36:58,525 And that was an incredibly special experience 393 00:36:58,525 --> 00:36:59,745 for all of us. 394 00:36:59,965 --> 00:37:01,665 But it's something that's being lost today. 395 00:37:01,665 --> 00:37:04,385 And part of this population bomb, 396 00:37:04,385 --> 00:37:07,365 terrible propaganda is feeding into it. 397 00:37:07,845 --> 00:37:08,705 Right, right. 398 00:37:08,825 --> 00:37:09,485 Yeah, absolutely. 399 00:37:10,185 --> 00:37:12,885 Yeah, I think I'm hopeful we return to that. 400 00:37:13,525 --> 00:37:15,505 And I know, you know, people are saying, 401 00:37:15,605 --> 00:37:16,525 well, robots are coming. 402 00:37:16,905 --> 00:37:18,505 And so robots will take care of the old 403 00:37:18,505 --> 00:37:21,405 with the inverted pyramid, you know, population problem. 404 00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:23,725 But that would be a terrible way to go. 405 00:37:23,805 --> 00:37:25,605 Just holding the hand of your robot. 406 00:37:26,625 --> 00:37:29,825 Just looking into the eyes of your robot. 407 00:37:29,825 --> 00:37:38,405 Yeah, it's going to be really important that we do it right and try and fix the problem. 408 00:37:38,545 --> 00:37:47,165 I think for China, for South Korea, for Japan, it's like generations too late where we will see population collapse. 409 00:37:47,865 --> 00:37:49,325 They really like looking backwards. 410 00:37:49,925 --> 00:37:54,085 China internalized the population bomb much more than the U.S. did, even though it came. 411 00:37:54,085 --> 00:37:58,145 Paul Ehrlich wrote, you know, he was a U.S. biologist. 412 00:37:58,145 --> 00:38:08,785 um so yeah we're hoping paul sees our episode i think the last status on south korea specifically 413 00:38:08,785 --> 00:38:14,225 is within two generations they'll have like a 90 population collapse if they don't turn things 414 00:38:14,225 --> 00:38:19,945 around yeah which is i mean this gets a broader point like to your point like the population bomb 415 00:38:19,945 --> 00:38:27,845 whether dei whatever it is like the the propaganda on what i think we would both agree is 416 00:38:27,845 --> 00:38:35,685 built on the wrong set of principles and the wrong sort of perspective on the world has 417 00:38:35,685 --> 00:38:42,805 strongly affected society broadly globally to the point where countries like China, Japan, 418 00:38:42,805 --> 00:38:49,185 South Korea, the U.S. even to a certain extent has shot themselves in the foot and are doing 419 00:38:49,185 --> 00:38:59,325 things that are counterproductive to the flourishing of their societies. And I just 420 00:38:59,325 --> 00:39:03,605 thinking this part of my head, like, so I think what you're doing is extremely important because 421 00:39:03,605 --> 00:39:09,745 we need mechanisms to turn the tide socially and psychologically to let people know, 422 00:39:10,105 --> 00:39:15,845 no, humans are good. Uh, we, we were meant to be here. Like there are certain ways we should 423 00:39:15,845 --> 00:39:21,745 interact in a society, in an economy to do things productively and that are beneficial 424 00:39:21,745 --> 00:39:23,985 for the individual and the whole. 425 00:39:24,825 --> 00:39:29,605 And going back to like the doomers and like I was a big doomer until I found Bitcoin because 426 00:39:29,605 --> 00:39:31,385 it feels like there's no way out. 427 00:39:31,385 --> 00:39:36,345 Bitcoin gives you that way to opt out via your financial life. 428 00:39:36,605 --> 00:39:44,245 But I think it's really important to have an opt out option for sort of educating kids 429 00:39:44,245 --> 00:39:46,085 about these big ideas. 430 00:39:46,585 --> 00:39:49,505 And that's one of the most insidious things about Hollywood 431 00:39:49,505 --> 00:39:54,545 and the messages they've been putting out for many decades now. 432 00:39:54,545 --> 00:39:57,145 I mean, it's not every movie or every show, 433 00:39:57,325 --> 00:40:04,485 but a lot of the popular movies and shows are sort of cataclysmic 434 00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:06,725 and really strike fear in people 435 00:40:06,725 --> 00:40:09,925 and have a material effect on how people view the world. 436 00:40:09,925 --> 00:40:17,985 yeah it's very clear that art is informing life and life is informing art or at least people's 437 00:40:17,985 --> 00:40:23,825 perception of life right um yeah and we've had to sort of grapple with that as we've gone through 438 00:40:23,825 --> 00:40:32,345 this episode too because in many senses you know life is getting better than it ever has before 439 00:40:32,345 --> 00:40:37,185 but then you have that battle between innovation and inflation. 440 00:40:38,165 --> 00:40:42,065 And, you know, we look at just prices on the surface, 441 00:40:42,065 --> 00:40:44,465 but when you dig down to time price, 442 00:40:44,605 --> 00:40:46,665 what people can buy with an hour of their time, 443 00:40:47,465 --> 00:40:50,865 we can buy far more eggs now per hour worked 444 00:40:50,865 --> 00:40:52,685 than we could back in 1900. 445 00:40:53,905 --> 00:40:55,985 They may not be the best quality eggs. 446 00:40:56,145 --> 00:40:57,185 So that's another discussion, 447 00:40:57,385 --> 00:41:01,245 which we talk about the food industrial complex episode, 448 00:41:01,245 --> 00:41:07,425 But like, you know, we don't have people mass starvation like Paul Ehrlich was forecasting. 449 00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:09,545 We have obesity problems. 450 00:41:09,545 --> 00:41:09,905 Right. 451 00:41:09,905 --> 00:41:16,685 And so, but I think, you know, I think what we've realized is the thesis of more people, 452 00:41:16,785 --> 00:41:18,345 more problem solving still checks. 453 00:41:18,545 --> 00:41:25,745 You have people like Satoshi Nakamoto who invented, you know, this escape valve, this, 454 00:41:25,885 --> 00:41:28,845 this hope that can help so many people. 455 00:41:28,845 --> 00:41:32,785 and that all came through you know somebody deciding to have a kid 456 00:41:32,785 --> 00:41:36,105 yeah it really did and 457 00:41:36,105 --> 00:41:47,545 that's i'm just thinking now too like because we just launched an app a tftc called opportunity cost 458 00:41:47,545 --> 00:41:54,545 and um which helps you price everything in bitcoin and this is something i've been doing 459 00:41:54,545 --> 00:41:59,085 a lot of internal reflection on like we've had ideas for apps and i think as a bitcoin focused 460 00:41:59,085 --> 00:42:04,165 media company we've always thought like ah we need to get um some bitcoin product in the hands of 461 00:42:04,165 --> 00:42:09,805 people and for the longest time it's like all right like something that involves a wallet being 462 00:42:09,805 --> 00:42:14,505 able to send receive bitcoin or get access to bitcoin directly but i think we settled on this 463 00:42:14,505 --> 00:42:21,065 informational tool because it's relatively low lift something that we could actually build and 464 00:42:21,065 --> 00:42:25,025 something that we don't have to worry about broader point being so there's when there's 465 00:42:25,025 --> 00:42:28,305 a lot of Bitcoiners out there saying I want to do something I want to do something to help 466 00:42:28,305 --> 00:42:33,925 Bitcoin or help the broader freedom movement and they think they need to do something very 467 00:42:33,925 --> 00:42:50,067 complex or build something grand and and sort of complicated and very futureful but I think there a ton of low fruit in the information war which we settled on opportunity costs And I think 468 00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:54,668 Tuttle Twin's the great example. You don't need to build some sort of financial app. 469 00:42:55,268 --> 00:42:59,648 You need to build a mechanism for education, particularly for younger people in your case. 470 00:42:59,648 --> 00:43:05,688 And I think that's one thing, because I could, I don't want to blow smoke up your butt, but 471 00:43:05,688 --> 00:43:17,207 But I think people severely underestimate how impactful sort of things that are unintuitive can be for having an impact on this movement. 472 00:43:17,387 --> 00:43:17,927 Like cartoon. 473 00:43:18,508 --> 00:43:18,668 Yeah. 474 00:43:19,127 --> 00:43:23,227 Like thinking of a Bitcoin cartoon is so creative. 475 00:43:23,227 --> 00:43:31,748 And as I've been mentioning, it's already impacted my children, my niece, my nephew, and now their classmates to a certain degree. 476 00:43:32,008 --> 00:43:35,407 And so I think it's incredibly inspiring what you all are doing. 477 00:43:35,688 --> 00:43:45,008 With with Tuttle Twins and Angel Studios more broadly, and hopefully others out there listening, thinking about how can I help? 478 00:43:45,067 --> 00:43:51,248 How can I help these small little things that that may seem unintuitive on the surface? 479 00:43:52,188 --> 00:43:55,948 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's humbling to hear, man. 480 00:43:56,887 --> 00:44:01,288 Yeah, we're just we didn't anticipate, you know, the success. 481 00:44:01,288 --> 00:44:05,028 It's definitely not come all in a night. It's been a grind all throughout. 482 00:44:05,028 --> 00:44:15,427 So, but yeah, as, as we've gotten sucked more down the Bitcoin rabbit hole, you know, most of our audience are Bitcoiners, but they are freedom minded people. 483 00:44:15,547 --> 00:44:20,607 And they started questioning the public school system and they started questioning now the money. 484 00:44:20,688 --> 00:44:22,288 They started questioning a lot of things. 485 00:44:22,288 --> 00:44:33,567 So it's, it's been beneficial to not just be a Bitcoin focused company because we can bridge to so many other topics that, you know, people care a lot about. 486 00:44:33,567 --> 00:44:36,508 and we can mix Bitcoin in there too. 487 00:44:36,748 --> 00:44:38,547 So for those thinking like, 488 00:44:38,648 --> 00:44:40,268 oh, I just have to be focused on Bitcoin, 489 00:44:40,387 --> 00:44:42,547 I think you can triangulate to Bitcoin 490 00:44:42,547 --> 00:44:43,827 from a lot of different places. 491 00:44:44,847 --> 00:44:46,307 Yeah, and that's, 492 00:44:46,807 --> 00:44:48,468 you're mentioning it before we hit record, 493 00:44:48,587 --> 00:44:50,627 but we've branched out 494 00:44:50,627 --> 00:44:53,288 outside of Bitcoin only content 495 00:44:53,288 --> 00:44:57,168 and sort of covering tangential topics 496 00:44:57,168 --> 00:45:00,288 with people that align ideologically 497 00:45:00,288 --> 00:45:02,307 but may not grok Bitcoin. 498 00:45:02,307 --> 00:45:15,168 And I think that that's been in terms of TFTC, orange pilling our guests, that's been the most impactful way is like, hey, I agree with you on this thing about bodily autonomy or geopolitics or macroeconomics. 499 00:45:15,227 --> 00:45:19,067 Let me just sprinkle some Bitcoin into the conversation and get you thinking. 500 00:45:19,067 --> 00:45:21,427 If you think this way, then Bitcoin makes a lot of sense for you. 501 00:45:21,488 --> 00:45:37,367 And I think that is another incredible attribute to Tuttle Twins to cover such a wide spectrum of Austrian economics and freedom oriented topics that I think just via osmosis, people, parents watching the show with their kids are like, oh, yeah, I agree with all this. 502 00:45:37,448 --> 00:45:39,327 Why wouldn't I agree with the Bitcoin stuff, too? 503 00:45:39,448 --> 00:45:40,227 It sort of makes sense. 504 00:45:40,227 --> 00:45:44,768 yeah we i there was this comment from a few months ago where someone was like 505 00:45:44,768 --> 00:45:51,927 you guys are spot on with all your episodes but this bitcoin thing is a total miss 506 00:45:51,927 --> 00:46:00,148 it just was so funny to me if you think if you trust us with 99 of this stuff 507 00:46:00,148 --> 00:46:02,607 like could you learn a little bit more about bitcoin 508 00:46:02,607 --> 00:46:08,847 it's uh and their kids are like no daddy this makes sense uh this makes sense 509 00:46:08,847 --> 00:46:17,307 what's the process like for for making an episode yeah so it takes about as long as making a child 510 00:46:17,307 --> 00:46:20,807 it's much harder i'm just kidding my wife's pregnant right now she'd kill me 511 00:46:20,807 --> 00:46:29,988 oh nice congrats congrats to you thanks so uh yeah about nine months uh and we spend we kind 512 00:46:29,988 --> 00:46:34,648 of came outside of hollywood so we didn't know how hollywood tells us we should do it but we just 513 00:46:34,648 --> 00:46:41,567 took what we did with ads. And so we just spend about six weeks writing an episode. And we'll do 514 00:46:41,567 --> 00:46:47,688 lots of brain trust with, with experts and with just cool writers that we know and, and like, 515 00:46:47,748 --> 00:46:53,288 and just refine the script over and over and over. I joke around with people like half the jokes in 516 00:46:53,288 --> 00:46:57,988 the show, we just write for ourselves and they go way over kids' heads and then half the jokes we 517 00:46:57,988 --> 00:47:03,008 write for kids. And we kind of intend for each Tuttle Twins episode to be that family viewing 518 00:47:03,008 --> 00:47:08,827 experience, kind of the original Pixar stuff where, where the adults can be laughing alongside 519 00:47:08,827 --> 00:47:14,707 their kids. And then from there, yeah, we make the animatic, which is basically just like the 520 00:47:14,707 --> 00:47:19,867 storyboard version, the animated storyboard version. And then we work with our animation 521 00:47:19,867 --> 00:47:26,648 house. We're using a animation house in Ireland, um, who, who makes the final animation. And then 522 00:47:26,648 --> 00:47:30,308 we, after nine months, kick out an episode every month. 523 00:47:30,508 --> 00:47:32,727 So it was a bit tricky. 524 00:47:33,168 --> 00:47:37,347 We have, being a principled show, we don't take subsidies. 525 00:47:37,948 --> 00:47:41,988 So it takes us a long time to find an animation house 526 00:47:41,988 --> 00:47:43,948 that doesn't get huge film subsidies. 527 00:47:44,587 --> 00:47:47,827 So, and it's been kind of frustrating too, 528 00:47:47,948 --> 00:47:50,768 but yeah, the film industry is just swimming in 529 00:47:50,768 --> 00:47:53,047 government contracts and subsidies. 530 00:47:53,047 --> 00:48:00,107 so do you have a go-to one or do you have the shop yeah i mean with ireland we found one that 531 00:48:00,107 --> 00:48:06,008 would do without without uh taking government subsidies so it's a hand-drawn uh no they 532 00:48:06,008 --> 00:48:12,008 use something called toon boom so it's like puppeting basically kind of puppet like animation 533 00:48:12,008 --> 00:48:19,547 um i wish it was hand-drawn that would be awesome to go back to the the real you know 534 00:48:19,547 --> 00:48:26,107 long-term thinking short you know high low time preference way of doing things yeah and since 535 00:48:26,107 --> 00:48:31,268 since you mentioned it i have to ask is grandma gabby the uh is she the the mechanism for getting 536 00:48:31,268 --> 00:48:38,508 the uh the parent jokes out there typically yeah i'd say grandma um can you know say uh you know 537 00:48:38,508 --> 00:48:45,207 places to go people to see communists to offend she can say stuff like that a lot of times she's 538 00:48:45,207 --> 00:48:53,547 the one who does hit for parents um yeah and uh uh yeah we'll just throw in you know lots of 539 00:48:53,547 --> 00:49:00,327 different uh jokes for parents how um how can anybody who's listening to this help you guys out 540 00:49:00,327 --> 00:49:09,008 outside of watching becoming a guild member yes so yeah if you want um uh just watching the show 541 00:49:09,008 --> 00:49:15,968 is the first step go to angel.com slash Tuttle Twins um uh three of our seasons are free the 542 00:49:15,968 --> 00:49:21,607 season four will be guild locks so only uh paying guild members can watch it when it comes out 543 00:49:21,607 --> 00:49:28,688 uh but then we release lots of clips on social media I think to date we've had like 300 million 544 00:49:28,688 --> 00:49:35,248 views across episodes of the show and uh and clips and so if you see a clip that resonates with you 545 00:49:35,248 --> 00:49:39,308 please share it, you know, and spread Tuttletons with your family and friends. 546 00:49:40,127 --> 00:49:43,387 That really helps. Just word of mouth is the biggest thing. 547 00:49:44,627 --> 00:49:47,527 And what would you say to parents who may be a bit apprehensive to 548 00:49:47,527 --> 00:49:51,567 throw their children into the deep end of some of these concepts? 549 00:49:52,308 --> 00:49:58,468 I'd say watch it first. Yeah, I don't encourage any parent to just like, trust me, like verify, 550 00:49:58,748 --> 00:50:03,768 go and watch what we put down. There may be a topic like the military industrial complex episode 551 00:50:03,768 --> 00:50:05,907 that you're like on the fence with or something. 552 00:50:06,367 --> 00:50:07,727 And that's, that's fine. 553 00:50:08,668 --> 00:50:10,707 Each of our episodes, like I was saying before, 554 00:50:10,748 --> 00:50:14,988 it passes the guild only when the parents pass it. 555 00:50:15,168 --> 00:50:16,927 And so if you join the angel guild, 556 00:50:16,968 --> 00:50:18,188 you can actually tell us 557 00:50:18,188 --> 00:50:20,727 and we read every single comment early on. 558 00:50:21,248 --> 00:50:22,488 That joke was offensive 559 00:50:22,488 --> 00:50:24,488 or I think you guys are getting this wrong. 560 00:50:24,627 --> 00:50:26,288 And we listen to those comments. 561 00:50:26,407 --> 00:50:27,927 And if we see like a pattern, 562 00:50:28,508 --> 00:50:31,887 we definitely make some drastic changes. 563 00:50:31,887 --> 00:50:38,268 but the point is like we don't make this without parent approval and uh you shouldn't show this to 564 00:50:38,268 --> 00:50:47,347 your kid without watching it first i would say yeah uh as a parent the uh the mlk episode i think 565 00:50:47,347 --> 00:50:54,927 you guys handled that that topic uh very very uh meticulously and it handled it with class and it 566 00:50:54,927 --> 00:50:59,948 was uh i was i was watching i was like oh wow they're touching this and this is this is incredible 567 00:50:59,948 --> 00:51:07,648 which one was that the uh uh we mentioned him in a couple episodes imperfect people or was that the 568 00:51:07,648 --> 00:51:14,207 perfect people okay yeah yeah yeah how can you say an affair in a way that kids that goes over 569 00:51:14,207 --> 00:51:22,427 kids heads um but yeah yeah yeah well you guys are crushing it um i can't wait for season four 570 00:51:22,427 --> 00:51:28,707 and yeah if there's anything we can ever do here at tftc to help you guys out let me know because 571 00:51:28,707 --> 00:51:35,887 I think, as I said, we're in a meme warfare, a war for minds, if you will, or battle for 572 00:51:35,887 --> 00:51:36,248 minds. 573 00:51:36,887 --> 00:51:37,948 And I think it's important. 574 00:51:38,188 --> 00:51:44,047 And you guys are an incredible example of good educational content that I, as a parent, 575 00:51:44,127 --> 00:51:45,727 feel comfortable putting in front of my children. 576 00:51:46,027 --> 00:51:47,268 And we need more of that. 577 00:51:47,268 --> 00:51:53,367 And I will reiterate to anybody listening out there with young children, do not underestimate 578 00:51:53,367 --> 00:52:01,587 their capacity to learn and really understand topics, complex topics, economic topics at a very 579 00:52:01,587 --> 00:52:09,887 early age. And you mentioned the allowance in Bitcoin. Our oldest son, he demanded it in Bitcoin 580 00:52:09,887 --> 00:52:16,527 too. So I set him up with an eCash wallet and he eagerly does chores so that I can send a Bitcoin. 581 00:52:16,527 --> 00:52:22,207 And he's obsessed with watching his wallet balance go up after completing chores. And 582 00:52:22,207 --> 00:52:28,948 it's worked out well for us. He's storing his, his chore money and hard money. And he's actually 583 00:52:28,948 --> 00:52:32,008 eager to do chores and help around the house, which is incredible. 584 00:52:32,707 --> 00:52:37,847 Man, we got to get a tutorial of that. I'm sure like tons of our parents would love to see what 585 00:52:37,847 --> 00:52:42,948 you're doing on that side. Maybe, yeah, maybe we could, uh, maybe I will do that. Maybe there'll 586 00:52:42,948 --> 00:52:46,727 be a newsletter. All right. Here's how. Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll hit up our audience with it 587 00:52:46,727 --> 00:52:50,668 too. Yeah. Cause there's so many parents are like, where do I start? You know, it's so over my head. 588 00:52:50,668 --> 00:52:59,027 um well marty man what you're doing here with tftc and rabbit hole recap um everything you're 589 00:52:59,027 --> 00:53:04,748 doing is such high signal and uh for our audience we'll send this out to you guys too like check out 590 00:53:04,748 --> 00:53:11,768 his stuff uh it's really great way to dive deep on bitcoin but also freedom related topics and i was 591 00:53:11,768 --> 00:53:19,488 joking around with you before coming on the show like uh you find some of these great freedom-minded 592 00:53:19,488 --> 00:53:25,067 voices way before I hear about them elsewhere. And so I actually listened to this show sort of 593 00:53:25,067 --> 00:53:31,008 to think of potential guest stars for future episodes. Oh yeah. I love that. Oh yeah. This 594 00:53:31,008 --> 00:53:36,127 person is, or sometimes to question the guest stars that we're talking to, uh, in the case of 595 00:53:36,127 --> 00:53:41,168 food industrial complex, we were talking to, I won't, I won't name names, but, um, anyways, 596 00:53:41,268 --> 00:53:47,387 yeah, it was just good to get to, yeah, just pure signal here. We've, uh, thank you. Thank you for 597 00:53:47,387 --> 00:53:53,988 that we're becoming a bit of a Rogan, a Rogan, uh, warmup show. A lot of, uh, a lot of recent 598 00:53:53,988 --> 00:53:58,607 guests over the last couple of years, they'll show up on TFTC first and then a year or two later, 599 00:53:58,607 --> 00:54:03,727 they'll end up in Rogan. That's something we're very proud of here. And, um, that's, 600 00:54:03,847 --> 00:54:08,627 that's what I'm going to do. Just, and it's, it's, uh, for me, it's just following my own 601 00:54:08,627 --> 00:54:14,867 curiosity and having done it for so long, like not afraid to be like, all right, you're saying 602 00:54:14,867 --> 00:54:19,448 some interesting stuff let's have a conversation about it so thank you for listening and for the 603 00:54:19,448 --> 00:54:25,768 kind words it's uh yeah i'm just some dude following his curiosity likewise we just some 604 00:54:25,768 --> 00:54:32,768 dudes just making cartoons for our own kids and uh if it works for others great well johnny i meant 605 00:54:32,768 --> 00:54:40,607 to mention um we are doing an episode uh with safe adine moose um and canes so that'll come out 606 00:54:40,607 --> 00:54:47,107 season four we're going to be debunking keynesianism for kids so we'll have to yeah get you an early 607 00:54:47,107 --> 00:54:54,127 screening of that but uh we don't hold punches and we went light on we cut the pedophile joke 608 00:54:54,127 --> 00:55:00,087 that we had about canes just because it is a kid show no no scenes set in morocco i guess yeah no 609 00:55:00,087 --> 00:55:04,948 no but yeah it is a kid show we we did play around with grandma putting him in a protective bubble 610 00:55:04,948 --> 00:55:12,948 the whole time but you know we wanted to tag canes on on not just his behavior but on uh you know 611 00:55:12,948 --> 00:55:18,148 the ideas so but yeah i'm excited for you to see it so the debt doesn't matter we're gonna teach 612 00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:24,407 the kids that the debt doesn't matter the debt doesn't matter yeah yeah well johnny thank you 613 00:55:24,407 --> 00:55:28,827 for what you're doing freaks if you're listening to this you have children even if you don't have 614 00:55:28,827 --> 00:55:36,727 children. You'll check out the Tuttle Twins. Um, incredibly refreshing cartoon that exists. Uh, 615 00:55:36,907 --> 00:55:42,648 and it will set your kids on the right path to understanding principles that if you're listening 616 00:55:42,648 --> 00:55:48,707 to this show, I assume you're, you're aligned with at least to a certain degree. And it's a 617 00:55:48,707 --> 00:55:56,308 hard thing as a parent too, to try to, uh, um, um, the, the newsletter I write is probably at, 618 00:55:56,308 --> 00:56:01,427 I don't they tell you in content particularly on social media right at a fifth grade level 619 00:56:01,427 --> 00:56:05,047 I don't know how to do that and so I'm like trying to get very complex 620 00:56:05,047 --> 00:56:12,527 concepts out there but I explain them at a higher level and when I go to try to explain this stuff 621 00:56:12,527 --> 00:56:16,047 to my kids it's like all right how do I dumb it down I have a problem doing that I have a hard 622 00:56:16,047 --> 00:56:21,688 time doing that and so having a resource like the Tuttle Twins where you guys are really good at that 623 00:56:21,688 --> 00:56:26,227 and being able to be like all right son sit here watch this then I'll answer any questions 624 00:56:26,227 --> 00:56:31,148 you have after it's incredibly beneficial and impactful for me as a parent 625 00:56:31,148 --> 00:56:41,927 man yeah likewise thank you so much for having me on and i'm excited to kind of see where the next 626 00:56:41,927 --> 00:56:46,547 uh joe rogan guest stars come from um a couple years in advance 627 00:56:46,547 --> 00:56:52,127 might be you johnny it's gonna be you well you said it marty i didn't say 628 00:56:52,127 --> 00:56:54,707 All right. 629 00:56:55,148 --> 00:56:56,148 Thank you so much, Johnny. 630 00:56:56,227 --> 00:56:57,027 Enjoy the rest of your day. 631 00:56:57,148 --> 00:56:57,808 Peace and love, freaks.