Yeah, you don't have to worry about the name of the spelling.
We take it off and post.
So it's just our pictures and people will know.
We're sitting down with Jessica Rose.
You can see her name on the video right now if you're watching on YouTube or somewhere else.
But I'm sitting down with Jessica Rose, who I was introduced to by our good friend who's been on the show a couple times now at this point, Kevin McLernan.
And we've talked about the DNA contamination of the COVID vaccines.
And after last time we spoke, he was adamant that I have to reach out with you and get you on the show.
A bit of a delay. He introduced us in March. We're sitting here in the beginning of September.
But I think it was a happy accident because there's a lot to talk about with everything going on.
And so it's a good delay. There's nothing wrong with it.
and that's why i reached out to you because i remember uh kevin introduced me to jessica
to talk about this stuff and we have a lot going on on capitol hill it seems like
rfk jr is actually getting his way we have a lot of people leaving the cdc uh we're finding out
about uh the individuals who are at the cdc pushing the vaccine mandates during covid
and i just wanted to get you on to get your perspective on what do you think's happening
at that level right now? Do you think we're on the path toward some sort of unearthing of
what actually happened and getting the real data out to the people?
I do. It's been wild to watch. I mean, I don't know how long you've been watching all this stuff
unfold, but I mean, I've been digging into the data, the adverse event data for five years now.
So I mean, it's been a horror show since January 2021. And I'll elaborate on that in a second. But it's amazing that the feeling in the community of people I'm in, and it's a very broad international community of people from lawyers to doctors to teachers to vets, you know, like, and podcasters, everyone in between.
there's a real feeling of, wow, you know, as in more than hope, it's actual surprise because,
and it's not that I think people are surprised that we're starting to see actual movement on
the subject matter of vaccine safety. It's that it's almost hard to believe, if you know what I
mean, because we've, I don't even think we as a community of people who are digging into this all
the time and who dedicate our lives to the science, know how bad it is, know how shielded the data is,
know how many studies have actually been conducted by pharma companies themselves
that reveal like catastrophic adverse events that we don't have access to, we don't know about.
This hearing that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., as we all know, is the new secretary of HHS, recently, I would say, was subjected to was just, I mean, beyond revealing.
The people, the small clips that I've seen of the entire session, which I haven't watched in full, were so astounding.
I mean, there were so many ad hominem attacks. There were so many juvenile lash outs. It's just not something I would expect to see from a room full of heavy hitting professionals, senators and doctors.
And you know what I mean? It's like I would expect it to be more civilized. So. It's not that it's not that I think it's a bad thing that it happened, that it's being revealed this way. I think it's actually very, very telling.
as to like, why are people getting so defensive on the subject matter? Because Robert hasn't
changed his position. All he's trying to do is get science-backed data to actually
have the outcome of safe products on the market. That's all he's looking for.
There's nothing to defend right there. He's looking out for kids. He's looking out for
parents. He's looking out for American people in general. It's like, what is there to defend?
So the reactions I saw from people just at this hearing were stunning. I mean,
are they worried they're going to lose their handouts? Are they worried that
some weird personal truth is going to come out about them, about what they've been defending and
Why? I mean, it's it's bizarro world. But again, I'll go back to what I started with.
It's it's beyond hopeful. It's it's actual movement forward, I think.
And just one more thing about that. When when Trump you saw the post on X where Trump made the comment about Operation Warp Speed and he was demanding data from Pfizer.
this is huge. If he stands by that, and if he actually follows through with demanding this data,
me and Kevin and David Speaker up in Canada are probably going to have a paper
published today, or maybe tomorrow, that's been, you know, in the peer review process for years,
literally years now that reveals so many things about the modified mRNA products pertaining to
DNA. I'll just call them contaminants. Trump needs to know this stuff. And I know that he's
not a scientist, but he'll understand, you know, the word contaminant and he'll understand
that, you know, from another point of view, these things are gene based therapies that didn't go
through, you know, the proper channels to get approved, for example. So I think there's a real,
there's a real reason to be optimistic after all of this time. That's what I would say.
That's incredibly encouraging to hear because that is one of my biggest worries. And it was
funny. I sent a tweet out earlier this week. I forget exactly what I said or what I was
quote tweeting but it pertained to the covid vaccines and the potential um to actually find
out what's happening and let the american people get access to the data and do their own research
and somebody responded like why are you still on this um give it up novid was years ago it's like
no we cannot no no no just let this fall to the wayside there there has to be uh some accountability
which is desperately needed because of that.
I said it before we hit record, but I'm a strong believer that what happened between
late 2020 and up until today to some point with mandates are still being issued to people
in certain positions or schools is a crime against humanity.
Yeah.
And it's not only America.
I mean, Europe's still pushing the COVID stuff.
There are countries all over the world who are still very much fully caught up in all of this.
And, you know, everybody's seen it on the news.
There's this kind of resurgence of fear factoring going on.
Oh, there's a new SARS strain and people are getting COVID.
No, no, no.
The one thing that is true from what people are saying that COVID is over is that it is.
It was a long time ago from an immunological point of view.
So it's wild to me that there's this dichotomy between the hundreds of millions of people who've suffered adverse events directly as a cause of these modified nucleoside modified mRNA injections.
And the people who still have no awareness that there's a problem at all, it's really, it's wild because these two groups are real.
The latter group are actually like, I think slowly, slowly there are people coming out of that group and starting to open their eyes as more of this becomes so-called mainstream, which is thanks to the new administration.
Whether you like the people involved or not, it doesn't matter, man. They're moving the target. So you got to appreciate that after stagnancy for so long, decades, when you're talking about vaccine safety.
um so just just to if people don't know what i was doing with the vaccine adverse event reporting
system data set in in the u.s um i i started digging into this the day that the shots went
out on december 17th uh 2020 um because i anticipated because of what i was seeing
the one-shot solution, the novel technologies involved.
I anticipated that we were going to start seeing
enormous numbers of people reporting adverse events,
and serious ones too, because for people who don't know,
there are two brand new technologies involved here.
These lipid nanoparticles, which are not safe.
They use these things called cationic lipids as one of four,
which are highly positively charged, which are murder to cells.
and nucleotides, which are embedded therein.
And it's supposed to be only this nucleoside-modified RNA.
But as I'll talk about later, I hope, according to our new publication
and other peer-reviewed publications, there's way too much DNA in there as well.
It's not supposed to be there.
And that comes with a boatload of problems that absolutely would be associated
with disease and pathologies like cancer. So in January 2021, at the end of January, January 30th,
there was a very large death signal in VAERS. And this is a passive reporting system. So
under-reporting is actually the biggest problem with VAERS. A lot of people call it like a
dumpster, which I find very offensive because every single one of these reports is a person
who was injured because they took a vaccine and they matter. Every single person matters.
And if you actually succeed at filing a VAERS report, which is not an easy task, it's an online
system with multiple e-pages that if you don't complete in time, they kick you off and you have
to start again. And then it has to get vetted after being given a temporary ID. And if that's
successful with the limited number of people who are doing the vetting, you might get a permanent
VAERS ID and your data point might be uploaded to the front end system. But that's not the end of it.
It might also be removed, as I've also written a paper about with no explanation.
So there was a big death signal in January at the end, which under normal circumstances and
in the past historically would have prompted the immediate withdrawal of the product from the
market these modified mRNA products from the market it's like 500 and something something
reports of death within 30 days which is way that's a lot of people to dive at the hands
or in the context of a product that's supposed to be you know helping people um and that's not
That's just one. The number of adverse events, I'll give you some context here that are typically reported in the context of the flu vaccines, for example, like the number of types of adverse events of the 25,000 potential measure coded adverse events that you can use is about 5,000 something in total for, say, like a season, a flu season.
And the number of types of adverse events that have been reported in the context of just the modified mRNA shots is over 14,000.
So there's not just hundreds more, hundreds of thousands more adverse events, millions, in fact, being reported when you compare, like, in the context of the COVID shots versus the flu shots.
There's so many more different types, which matches perfectly with what we're seeing in a clinical setting pertaining to the comprehensive nature of the damage.
you've you've heard it all right like there's neurological damage there's immunological damage
heart damage uh lymphatic or the the um the endocrine system being ruined uh birth defects
fertility problems cancer i mean just name it and it's there and it's been there from the very
the beginning so you can i have written papers about this and published them um you can find that
on my sub stack if you're interested but the point in all of what i'm saying is that this
this data um the VAERS data is accessible to the public which is why i chose it and it's been
showing signals for a very very very long time and now we're up to about um last time i checked
It was like 1.6 something million reports in the context of these shots to date.
And again, just for context, the total number of adverse events reported in the past 30 years of data collection in VAERS for all vaccines combined has been about 39,000 on average.
And in 2021 alone, just one year, there were over a million reports in the COVID shot context.
So there's just like, there's no looking away from this.
So I really glad going back to the first question about like what going on with CDC and even hopefully FDA and HHS is that those guys are the owners of this data set and it their job They tasked with the job of looking at this
data, analyzing it, doing further follow-up causality assessments. And the CDC director
at the time, Rochelle Walensky, is on record having said that there's no signal. There are a
number of documented reports from the employees of these organizations making assured statements
that there's no safety signals that we should be concerned about in VAERS, and it's absolute
rubbish. And it's, by the way, everyone's heard about myocarditis now, but it's, that is just
the tip of the iceberg. I'm glad that it's gotten a lot of attention, but on the other hand,
it doesn't address all the neurological problems that people are seeing, which,
depending on who you are, you might actually consider brain damage a little bit more,
you know, hard to deal with and heart damage.
Yeah. I mean, I haven't been able to validate whether this is true,
but I've seen people in recent months tweeting that the amount of gray matter
appearing in brain scans is increasing.
And again, I haven't validated. I've just seen it.
It could be fake news, but what is equivalent to like a lobotomy?
has been found in some people.
Wow. I'll have to look into that.
Sorry, go ahead.
No, it's just astonishing to me that,
I mean, the numbers that you described
for the COVID vaccine in the VAERS database is astounding.
That's 1.4 million that were actually made it
through the process and were on the front end.
And so that's underreported.
Bingo. Bingo.
And that's just fares.
and and another i'm trying to remember everything you know the the most important points there are
pharmacovigilance databases used all over the world like australia has one called the dane
there's the uger system in europe there's the yellow card system in the uk there's fares and
in the u.s there's caefis in canada there's you know and the thing about it is you have to comb
really hard through the other data sets, which really aren't user-friendly. But when you do,
the signals are exactly the same. And I don't mean similar. I mean, they're exactly the same
numbers-wise and also systemic nature-wise of reports and age group-wise. Nobody's immune.
Like whoever got the shots, for example, if you have a preexisting condition,
or if you have a lurking condition or if you have a latent viral uh you know um a latent virus like
all the herpes viruses yeah you get reactivation it's like something in these shots causes some
some horrid level of immune dysfunction which just wreaks havoc on anything lurking if you're
catching my drift um if you were if you have an autoimmune condition that was in you know that
was stable how many people do i know how many people have i heard reported uh have that condition
re-emerge um everything you can name autoimmunity is is a whole other subject matter which we should
talk about um but yeah it's theirs is just one one data set and it's it's just um it's wild how
So again, just by looking at that alone, I'm not saying, you know, like you can definitively say this, this or this.
What I'm saying is the owners of the data cannot deny that there are massive safety signals in that data set.
And they have to explain why.
They have to.
You know, this is people's lives on the line.
And people were mandated to get these shots.
So it's like, it is criminal.
you know um yeah and that i mean in the lack of accountability the inability to recognize that
these there are these glaring sort of alarm bells going off in the data sets i mean it doesn't do
them any favors that they don't address it because it leads one to go down the path of
sort of the being very pessimistic about the intentions of it all like it almost seems
intentional it's like why are you trying to hide this because i remember when the bears
conversation started popping up in mid 21 and persisted for the better part of a year and a
half after that like people were just flippantly disregarding bears like oh it's not a it's not a
reliable database there could be a lot of bunk data in there but up until that point it was
sort of fused as a reliable database, but all of a sudden, because there was bad information
about this particular vaccine, it suddenly became unreliable and something to not look at.
Yeah, that's right. And then we get blamed for vaccine hesitancy when they completely,
you know, evade their own jobs. Yeah, it's crazy. The thing about it is, like, you,
yeah it's just what you said they just had to do and what i just said they just had to do their
jobs they just had to be a little bit transparent and honest um and you know it just ain't about
public health there's no public or health uh with regard to anything that's happened in the last
five years and probably way way longer before and very importantly for anyone who's trashing
VAERS, go ahead, do what you want. But remember that this is a government database. It's a
pharmacovigilance database, and it's designed as part of kind of the post-clinical trial phases.
So you have animal trials, which we didn't have, and then you have phase one, two, three.
Each phase increases in number and strength and power. They have to be sequential. They cannot
be overlapped. All of these rules, by the way, were broken. And this process, this animal trial
to phase one through three process for a conventional vaccine takes about 10 years.
This is standard. So this was all squished into about six months. Many problems therein.
And the phase four, which is what I like to think of it as, is the pharmacovigilance. You put
the product, whatever it is you were trialing in the clinical trials into a very large number
of people. In this case, it was like billions of people. And you have to monitor what's going on
because the demographic is going to be much, much, much broader. You're going to have more ages.
You're going to have more people with conditions that were excluded as part of these exclusion
criteria in the trials, for example, people who smoke, people who are pregnant, people who have
autoimmune conditions. It's the job of pharmacovigilance data collection to detect these
signals. That's what VAERS is. It's actually really valuable. And I'm saying that from
um a person who's been looking at it for years the data they're in is is so plentiful
it's it's it's annoying that it takes so long to file a VAERS report but the the good part about it
is that you can you can enter so much data you can enter um free text which is basically just
the doctor's notes if it's you or if it's your gp or if it's a nurse practitioner or a parent or
whatever, whoever is filing the report, you can write as much as you want about the real story of
what happened. You can put your opinion in there. You can put your vaccine history. You can put
everything. And if you're willing, you know, like I am to read through the free text, in addition to
looking at the age data, in addition to looking at the state, in addition to looking at the dose,
you will learn so much about what's going on. It's like reading between the lines.
So I would argue with anybody who wants to say that VAERS isn't an invaluable data set.
It really is.
And was the COVID vaccine particularly that drove you to make sure that you were paying attention to VAERS?
Or was this part of it?
Oh, 100%. I didn't know about VAERS before any of this.
The only reason I got into this actually was because I had just finished my second postdoc and enough was enough.
I was ready to just surf for a long time.
I'm a surfer, by the way.
And I planned this big trip to Noosa.
I was going to showcase my talent for the WSL.
I had a spot in the Noosa Surf Festival.
Everything was paid for, bought.
But it was happening at the end of February, early March 2020.
um so you know what happened then um so i had to cancel my trip and being the uh the proactive
person that i am i decided that i would start to paying attention to what was going on because i
mean when i hear the word zoonotic pathogen my ears perk up because that's what i study i mean
that's that's what i do um i'm not a data analyst by training it's just a part of all the degrees
that I've done. I'm actually like, uh, an immunologist who studies viruses. Um, so yeah,
I just, like I said, I started looking around. Uh, I was watching the Johns Hopkins death board
every morning with my coffee, like, Oh my God. Um, and then about like seven or eight days later,
I'm like, Oh Jesus, this is a joke. This isn't what people are thinking it is. Um, and it was
just by listening to the language that was being used for example you know the new technology the
one-shot deal you know injecting everyone during the pandemic all at once regardless of uh immunity
natural immunity yeah then the the police forces like forcing you not to go outside and walk around
it was like there's something else going on here so um yeah i just i decided to teach myself how to
are and uh and i dove into VAERS like i said because it was uh freely accessible and easy to
access so yeah i was you know people probably think i'm an anti-maxer but um i'm vaccinated
out the yin yang i mean before all this started i was like if if i traveled like to a place where
there were endemic viruses i was going to the doctor and saying what do i need to get injected
with to be safe. I was that person. Um, and, uh, yeah, I remember getting pretty sick once
from doing that. Um, but not anymore, man. Um, bueno shift a 180. I I'm, I'm never getting
injected with anything again for as long as I live. It's, it's, and it's, it's, it's their fault.
I'm sorry. It's like when, when you don't tell the truth and when you're not transparent with
data and when you're you're pushing products to get them on the childhood schedule because you're
free from liability and you make a billion dollars off that you know you kind of gotta
side-eye people and think all right are you really concerned about my health or are you
really concerned about your pocketbook and so yeah it's like i'm not sure that we're ever going to
get to the point where we have a wonderful vaccine schedule that's actually ensuring
the safety of the masses i'm not sure we're going to get there but um what i would hope
is that all these can i swear yes you can swear okay all these bullshit vaccines that they're
trying to inject newborns with like hep b um i i hope that all that stuff is just completely
eliminated because those are just they're just money-making schemes there's no absolutely no
medical or immunological reason to be doing that and when you combine the fact that there are so
many adjuvants like aluminum there's so many byproducts dna contamination there's so many
things you have to factor in and also pre-existing conditions you have to consider that there are
risks as well as potential benefits when you vaccinate with anything.
So it's like, I really hope that we just get some balance back,
which is what I genuinely believe Robert is fighting for.
Yeah. He's, he's worked all his life for this and he's, he's poised, man.
He just needs to keep going.
He really does. And it was, it was encouraging to see the move the Florida
made earlier this week taking away mandates giving people i mean as a parent like i said we had our
first child last week we had to deal with this uh in in the hospital they tried they what did they
try i mean they tried they didn't age hep b was right there we were like no thank you um and vitamin
k right vitamin k and uh they give like a an eye antibiotic in case the mother has gonorrhea too
So we were very adamant, like, OK, my wife tested negative for hep B and doesn't have gonorrhea.
So we're thinking, but they're skeptical.
And then to lead you to question the motives and intentions and as it pertains to the COVID vaccine specifically,
that's I think the thing that I'm most interested in getting to the bottom of is,
was this just a money grab by big pharma and they were able to influence the politicians because of
their lobbying efforts to really brute force this on the market um and then again because
there hasn't been any accountability and they refuse to acknowledge data and confront the
glaring problem in front of everybody you have people who are more conspiratorial are saying
we're looking at a massive debt problem here in the united states looking at the social security
liabilities and maybe there was a intentional culling of the population to bring down those
expenses And I not saying that is the case but because there no accountability and no no sort of retrospective on what happened people are not forced but they naturally going to explore those those those potential intentions
Yeah. And it's responsible, too, because where there aren't answers, we need to seek them, especially since there are so many bloody questions.
I mean, God, I think that's all going to come.
Like, I know a lot of people who have been doing some excellent work using various databases, who is pretty irrefutable.
I mean, what we need to do now is bring these people and their data and their analyses to the right eyes.
And that's what we're ripe for right now.
So that's why I'm really optimistic.
uh that's that's one of the things that i i try to do because for some reason i know a lot of people
and someone will say hey do you know this person and i'm like yeah can you get this i'm like yeah
and you know it's just okay now that person has their eyes on this and they can see for themselves
they can criticize it for themselves like what the data is like how authentic it is what the
analysis so the amazing thing about that is that there there are so many people who are really
really serious scientists medical doctors even lawyers like who are teaming up to to just
really irrefutably present um data uh the again the problem has always been well not always but
for that well yeah always for a long time now especially in the last five years is the you
out the uh what would you call it censorship that's a good word um
of of work and data um so that it doesn't make it to the right eyes uh i have this kind of infamous
paper about myocarditis that i penned with peter mccullough right at the beginning that got um
withdrawn or retracted, whatever you want to call it, without explanation. There was nothing
written pertaining to plagiarism, bad data. You know, there was nothing wrong with the paper.
They just said it was their prerogative not to publish it at the last minute. So it went dark
for two years. And this paper, which has since been published and updated back in 2021, October,
was when it was originally published, clearly demonstrated what we all kind of know right now,
which is that there's a huge myocarditis signal in the context of the nucleoside modified products in kids,
specifically like 12 to 15 year olds.
So the thing that really bothers me about that whole censorship deal
are the number of kids that subsequently got injected by unknowing parents because this
information wasn't readily available. So this is criminal. You know, people have been robbed
of choice. Even if we are living in a world, an illusion of choices, whatever, you know,
it's better to have some kind of choice. Like, give me the information. I can decide if you're
crazy or not or if the information is good or bad and if i want to inject my kid with whatever
or myself that that was taken from us so um yes it's uh all shall be revealed
well it's it's i'm getting infuriated again like this this channel we got we got put in youtube
timeout two or three times and i wouldn't even say we we and at that time like we know
like a few months into the pandemic like okay particularly on youtube and at the time x you
had to be very particular with how you worded things so we even we were careful but and two
doctors come on we weren't even talking about the vaccines vaccines hadn't even been released yet
this is like mid 2020 we're talking about ivermectin hydroxychloroquine and sort of
preventative or we're using those as ways to treat covid early in the process and these are doctor
the dr woods from wyoming he was 72 a nice humble gentle man just really describing what he was
seeing on the ground in wyoming and how he's treating his patients and how it was successful
And they ripped it off YouTube and told us to shut up and not talk about that.
That's unbelievable.
Like, that's just a quintessential example.
Like, you know, normal, good doctors just doctoring, you know, like it's never not been the case.
No matter what the CDC says, you know, they just have like recommendations that they can give.
um it's never not been the case that the the call you know when it comes to illness disease whatever
is made between the doctor and the patient that's another thing that was taken from us it's like all
of a sudden it became the norm that doctors have to do take diktats from agents three-letter agencies
with revolving door antics with big pharma you know who are just simply recommending recommending
things like it's it's crazy it's crazy like it's uh and then you come out and then you come to find
that some of them are literal satanist yeah right oh my god like i was at dinner with uh
with a brownstone crew the other night and um jeffrey was saying you know like we used to joke
you know back in the day that what what if the cdc is run by a bunch of uh satanists and and
and now it's not a joke. The CDC is run by a bunch of, it's just crazy. Like what, what,
what should be a joke is real. And it's like, for me, you know, these, these are also good.
They're good flip points for, for I'll call them naysayers or non-believers in the truth.
Cause it's like, listen, this isn't us. That that's them. Like they took that picture. These,
these are their weird personal beliefs, which, you know, they're allowed to have, whatever.
But it's my opinion that if you hold a certain position, you have to maintain a certain modicum
of professionalism at all times, really, because you hold this position and you can never let
your personal beliefs bleed into your job role or policy decisions.
or you know it's like that that's what's happening it's like everything has become a weird
like uh i personally believe this so i'm gonna impose that on everybody in america
it's like what that's not how it works and nobody likes that um no and it's it's been
incredibly detrimental to the nation on many levels from health perspective from a trust
perspective and i i think the corruption of the system and how deep it goes is completely
maddening going back to your point about the um the sort of questioning that rfk had in front
of congressmen on the hill i mean it's it's crazy how how transparently corrupt it is because i
I think I'm sure you saw, but there was like a leaked memo from big pharma lobbyists that that hit hit the tape last week to basically laid out the playbook for how they're going to combat.
Yeah, I think his policies and try to drive a wedge between Maha.
And they literally had a multimillion dollar campaign and they wanted to wanted to enact it on August 30th.
And this is the same day that you have Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, many other politicians coming out the same wrote scripts via Twitter.
And it's just very obvious that, oh, you guys are coordinating an attack to prevent this information from getting to the public.
And Natalie, you just question like, what are you afraid of?
Like, what do you think will happen to three letter agencies, big pharma, if we do get our hands on this information and successfully disseminate it to the public?
Yeah, they're all going to be ruined.
I mean, if it authentically comes out, which I think it will.
I mean, you know, whether or not people are going to believe it is another question.
And it's a good question because it's, you know what?
It's so unbelievable.
A lot of this stuff, like just from the amount of money that a lot of these people are pocketing.
It's crazy.
Like the, it must not be easy to be in the position they're in.
And I'm a very empathetic person.
And it's not that I feel compassionate toward these people, but I almost feel sad for them
because like their entire playbook, like some people actually believe that some of the senators
who are wailing on RFK believe what they're saying.
And maybe they're right, but maybe they, they're just, they've been caught up so long in the machine that they're locked into, which is designed to protect, you know, um, the, the agencies and the companies that they're, they're working for and with like by contract.
Like, my take is they probably know how bad what they're doing is, and they're just contractually obligated to protect, you know, the assets, I'll call them.
The things that they're involved in maintaining, like the big pharma schedule, the vaccine schedule, maintaining new products, getting on the childhood vaccination schedule so that another company makes another billion per year with liability free.
um yeah it's like i love trying to get into the head because you know it's important to do this
to not only empathize but to try and get into the head of the people that you're trying to
understand and also communicate with because i mean sometimes you can actually break through
to someone who's who's really not been doing the right thing and and they're going to become the
most powerful ally of all, right? But I found that I have an inability to really empathize
with any of these people because they're just, they're strange to me. They're so chaotic and
they're so emotional. And every time you have an emotionally based response to something that's
really not, um, it shouldn't be like, if, if you actually believe that the data provided by the
pharmaceutical companies is good and that the product is safe and effective, you don't need
to get emotional. You don't need to be like, you know, almost in tears defending, um, a corporation.
You don't need to do that. I can understand if you're defending children and you think,
and you see that they're dying at the hands of a product, but, um, it's weird to me. It's like,
okay that's what i started with i found the um the the number of outbursts was way too high
yeah it was it was very it's like you're watching them flail at the last moment you know when when
they know that they might have a chance to to keep the machine running they just i don't think they
will, though. I think I saw a statistic today, I don't know if it's right, that said that about 70%
of the American people are backing RFK, regardless of what we saw in that room, you know. So, and I
think that's probably correct. I mean, because he's not looking to, you know, tell people what
vaccines to take or to, you know, harm the American people. He's really just looking for
to do things bloody well right,
probably for the first time since this whole vaccine machine came upon us.
And it's all their fault that there's vaccine hesitancy
and that everyone's starting to question the entire industry now,
not just the COVID shots.
It's their fault.
Because, and the other thing is none of it is seeped in logic.
To your point of, I don't understand why these people are vehemently,
defending the big pharma industry and lashing out against others who may be vaccine hesitant,
or it's like, okay, if these things are effective and they work and you're vaccinated,
you don't have to worry about people who aren't. It's number one. And then number two, which is
truly disgusting and literally leads me to believe that there are some demonic evil forces behind it
is like the fact that if you get one of these things on the childhood schedule, you are free
of liability it's literally hiding behind children and putting them at risk to skirt
liability which is absolutely abhorrent and disgusting money like money what is money
it's nothing you know it's you're absolutely right it's um it's gross i think the whole thing is gross
and they're very good at making you sound like a crazy person or making others believe that
you're a crazy person for questioning again these things which aren't seeped in logic like why
should everybody have to get vaccinated if you're very worried about it um and you are vaccinated
you shouldn't be worried you should be vaccinated you should be protected and um all of a sudden
these things are on a child schedule so we can't sue the pharmaceutical industry for any adverse
effects of the products that they're making like it really it's literally insane and again
and bordering on demonic.
Yeah, this is the healthcare system.
They want everyone to be disease-free.
Oh, my.
Yeah, it's wild.
You know, the silver lining in all of this,
my take on this has been the whole time they push the envelope way too far think that they one of my hypotheses has been that they were going to take this far much farther than it ever went
You know, they were going to go full on digital ID. They were going to go full on, you know,
green pass type shit everywhere in the world. Uh, they were going to go full on, you know,
a 15 minute city type thing. Like you can't leave your area. They were going to go full on like
quarantine towns. Um, I really believe that. I think the reason it didn't work was because
they underestimated how many people were actually, I hate using this word, but awake to, um,
to, or maybe a better way to say it is maintained common sense, because that's really all you need
to have, like you kind of just have to revert to your, your, your childlike former self when,
you know, when, when you, uh, when you got a cold or the flu or whatever, you just drank chicken
soup and waited a couple of days and then you were fine. And I mean, for life, um, yeah, you know,
it, it, it doesn't take much more than common sense, uh, to, to, to figure that out. And I,
I think that without getting too philosophical, I think that actually requires at least a few moments of silence with yourself so that you can actually hear your own dialogue.
And I think a lot of people drown themselves every day in way too much stimulus, you know, the doom scrolling and TVs and kids and blah.
And maybe it could be that simple.
Like they, they just haven't had the time to kind of take just a few moments and reflect.
Like, yeah.
Yeah.
Why is it that if I got COVID or SARS, if I got exposed that I wouldn't be immune for life and wouldn't need the shot?
Or why are they recommending seven shots after I got COVID?
And how come I got COVID three times after I got three shots?
You know what I mean?
Like these, these very basic questions that I, you don't need an immunology degree to, to know these truths.
They're just kind of the stuff that we grew up with.
I think, I mean, I grew up with that.
Well, yeah.
And I mean, that's what really drove me to begin being immediately out of the gate, skeptical of the COVID vaccines.
vaccines because my whole life I was told led to believe that vaccines are safe and effective
because they had been tested for a decade before they hit the market and then all of a sudden
in 2020 Operation Warp Speed comes we're going to have a new one in 11 months and you're all
going to need to get it I was like wait a second that literally goes against everything I've ever
learned about vaccines and the degree of care that has been taken historically to make sure
that they're safe and effective before they hit the market and so as soon as that was how they
were being positioned i was like i'm out i'm not getting these like this is this is not how you're
supposed to test vaccines from when i've been told my life like like that infamous clip that i reposted
the other day with the guy on the porch with fauci and the crew outside and he's like you you remember
this one he's like questioning them he's like why are you trying like there's something else going on
He's so brilliant.
I mean, the guy needs honorary doctorates for every subject matter
for just that short spiel he did alone.
He's brilliant.
Yeah, Fauci thought he was going into the hood and was just going to hoodwink people.
He's looking up like, we're not going to get through to the sky, guys.
It's so funny.
Oh, I love that clip.
It's just, it's inspiring.
well the the covet era had the equivalent amount like clips like that where it's like yes people
get it like there is hope for humanity but then on the other side like the the clip of the police
boat getting the paddleboarder in san diego who was by himself and taking him off the beach the
clip of um who was the mayor at the time i forget his name the mayor of new york at the time eating
shake shack and saying you should get your shot you'll get a free fries and a burger at shake
shack and i always want to cry when i see that and i don't know why i just find it so sad it's
de blasio that's his name no they thought we were that stupid he's like this fat slobs eating fries
and a burger and you can have this too if you go get your shot you'll get a free burger and fries
mess up just have tracked for like a day mess up your life free for a lifetime yay yeah yeah
then the super cuts of it's safe and effective this is for your safety it's like it was truly
an insane period of time in the sense that it felt like much of the world was under some sort
of trance i think it still is you think so yeah i see it and i hear it still every day i mean it's
like uh you know i'm i'm in a different part of the world right now and it's it's always interesting
to watch um people watch and just just to see the normal behavior of the average people and
lots of masks around still and i'm like outside and i'm like i don't even know what to say like
um you know like there there are people with uh with loaded shots at airports still trying
to inject people and they come off of their planes there's still like uh clinics everywhere
offering free COVID flu shots. I mean, it's still going. And I mean, if you're, um,
I would dare say that there's a lot of vulnerable souls right now because a lot of us have just been
like pummeled, uh, physically and financially and mentally. Um, a lot of the places I've been in the
world over the last few years, um, they're just not the same as they used to be. They haven't
recovered and they won't. It's like the, the bludgeoning of the middle class, uh, was part
of this whole thing. Um, yeah, it's, it's sad. And I, you know, I'm, I'm very optimistic. Don't get
me wrong, but it's, it's still very evident that, um, we, we have a lot of people who don't feel
as optimistic as I do, uh, who are very much still recovering in some way, uh, whether it was from
damage from the shots or economically, um, from, from this, uh, this crap shoot that they threw on
us. Um, yeah. And they're going to try again. And there's no doubt, like there's, there's going to
be something else coming down the pipeline. I have no doubt about that. Um, I just wanted to
mention because you were talking about the uh your response to the to hearing about the new tech not
being tested uh for the right amount of time and you're absolutely right um these lipid nanoparticles
uh these are the fat bubbles that are meant to spherically in case the uh negatively charged
genetic material supposed to be only nucleoside modified rna but there's also dna and there's
also hybrids most likely of DNA RNA. These things have been researched for like 20 years. A lot of
people don't know this, which is why you'll hear some of these captured people often saying,
this isn't new. This has been being tested for decades. It's not false. The lipid nanoparticles
have been being looked at on the bench and maybe in some animal models with horrible results for
two decades. And the reason why it's been two decades is the same reason why we still don't
have, it's an analogy, a vaccine against HIV. It's because they don't work. It's not safe.
You know, it's, that's why. So the, the clincher, the turning point was the use of, uh, or the development of an ionizable cationic lipid. Like I mentioned, these positively charged, uh, lipids, which, you know, they, they bind and snuggle up the, uh, the negatively charged nucleic acids, um, that, uh, they become active at a certain pH.
like a low pH. So this was the, the, you know, what I like to think is the turning point for
the technology. It's like, Hey, now, now we can make them, uh, available, um, in their task to
deliver nucleic acids in, in a, in the right context, like only, only when they get into
endosomes of cells, you know, when the endosome matures and the pH gets lower, will it release
the mRNA or whatever it is into the cytosol of the cell. Yay! But there's so many things. First
of all, the safety data sheet on these things, the products used by Moderna and Pfizer,
the cationic lipids are, pardon me, I think it's ALCO315, forgive me if I got the numbers wrong,
and sm102 for moderna and the safety data sheets for both of these say don't use these in animals
or people um that hasn't changed so you know there's that and these lipid nanoparticles are
like slippery little bastards and they're supposed to be about 100 nanometers across
which is pretty small that defines a nanoparticle so they this this lie it's just a lie that the
people told about the, you know, these things staying at the injection site, like a normal
vaccine, that the contents of a needle from a normal vaccine would do, just stay in the
muscle cells, whatever.
That's not the case here.
These little thought bubbles go everywhere.
This is known now.
We got FOIA requested data from pharmacokinetic studies that prove this demonstrably.
They go everywhere.
And we already know that anyway, because of the systemic nature of the adverse events.
You know, they go to the brain, the heart, the kidney. This is all published data. We know. And they knew way before, because there were published studies like 12 years ago, that show completely without a shadow of a doubt, that these exact same lipid nanoparticles traffic to the ovaries.
there's a there's a paper that i've presented in many uh conferences that that shows this
they knew there this is not a secret so the fact that there there was ever a lie that was constructed
to convince the public that you don't have to worry about these things going everywhere
you don't have to worry about dna you know you don't have to worry about the stuff getting into
your dna because it's mrna you know it's it's solid mrna it's just going to get translated into
protein you're fine um these these are two of the biggest lies surrounding these things and
if people kind of yeah if if they had known um even a little bit earlier the truths of these um
these technologies but from both sides the lnps and the nucleic acids like
they would have been like hell's no like imagine instead of like calling these things vaccines
they called them gene-based therapies how many people do you think would have gone for them
hidden a material amount lower right very small percentage of the people actually did
because they are like they're delivering nucleic acids foreign nucleic acids that are designed to
be translated into foreign proteins, which are really cytotoxic. That's all. That's another
problem altogether. But like, wow, it's just, um, it's remarkable how they, they lie and they fall
back on, uh, you know, things that aren't necessarily false. For example, these things
aren't technically gene therapies because they're not targeted to modify or remove a gene using
other technology like CRISPR-Cas that we know of um so technically according to the definition
which they can change on a on a dime um they're not that so from a legal standpoint i'm just
saying like if you wanted to argue that these things were were gene therapies you might lose
but there's there's actually a case that i'm involved in um launched in australia to actually
categorically prove that these things are gene therapies because of the presence of this sv40
thing did you and kevin talk about that you did right yeah we talked about sv40 when the last
time kevin and i caught up we talked about the pre-print japanese study that wound up getting
pulled between the time we recorded and posted the episode, but they essentially highlight SV40
exists. And I think the most damning evidence of that study was that the distribution of cancer
types shifted dramatically pre and post COVID with post COVID cancer types, um, the materializing
the parts of the body where these proteins congregated from what I recall. Yeah. So, um,
SV-40 is a gene therapy tool.
This is published and known.
It traffics stuff to the nucleus as a bench tool.
David Dean is the guy's work you want to look up to verify that.
So, yeah, that's what our paper that hopefully will be published today or tomorrow presents.
of the vials that we tested, the Pfizer and the Moderna, we found shit tons of SV40 in Pfizer
products. Now, SV40 is a virus, but we're not talking about the virus. Just to be clear,
we're talking about promoter enhancer regions, which are little short segments
from the virus that are used as tools in biotech settings. So the question becomes,
What the hell are they doing there?
Why the hell weren't they disclosed?
Why the hell is the only disclosed Pfizer plasmid map missing the SP40 gene fragment?
They would have had to have deleted it, according to Kevin.
Why is it that when we presented this data and got FOIA requested data back, that many health agencies, including Health Canada, FDA, and the TGA know, they're very well aware that this SV-4A is a good one?
is in the shot vials, they're in the vials, that they are completely undermining the potential
danger associated with this. And the fact that something had to go shit bonkers wrong
in production and upscaling, and we can talk about that too, because it's in our paper,
in order for us to be finding such high levels of, I'll call it contaminating DNA in the vials,
to include sv40 which is an active mammalian promoter so i want to talk about that actually
if you don't mind i just want to mention it because it's a big part of our paper um
people people need to know this too so we are we had our clinical trials right this pfizer i'll
just use pfizer because they like picking on them i'm sorry we'll dare not i'll choose you next um
they had phase one through three trials uh minimal number of people i don't know like
30 000 they had a drug arm they had a placebo arm god knows what the placebo actually was it's
supposed to be saline but who knows um and incidentally if you don't know this part
they unblinded the placebo participants in the phase three trial and they injected most of them
So we lost the placebo arm of this RCT trial, the randomized controlled placebo controlled trial, which means we have no data that's usable.
This is admitted by, I think her name is Rachel Ziyong, who were Cheung, in one of the VRBPAC ACIP meetings that I attended.
anyway. So those products that were injected into people as part of those clinical trials
were different from the commercial products that were injected into the world population.
They were different in the way that they were manufactured. So when they had just a small
number of people, tens of thousands, for example, in cohort groups to inject with these products,
They were using PCR to amplify the DNA as the source material for the in vitro transcription reaction to produce the nucleoside modified RNA.
OK, so it was.
Cleaner, let's call it, OK, it was less likely to pose a risk in terms of contaminants from production.
And the reason I say that is because when they needed to upscale, when they got the green light, the UA, whatever you want to call it, and they needed billions of doses of this stuff, they needed a faster and cheaper way to make it, right?
Because what they were doing wasn't efficient.
It wasn't fast.
It wasn't cheap.
Cheap being the main one.
so the upscaling of the uh the coating material was made using uh an e coli plasmid system so
e coli bacterias you know everybody knows what that is we use it in lab settings a lot for a lot
of different things and the reason we do that is because it's like biosafety level two it's it's
it's not that dangerous and it grows really fast and it's cheap as hell.
You just give it some sugar and some warmth and some carbon dioxide and some
luria broth and you just shake it up and it doubles every 20 minutes.
And whatever is inside there in terms of plasmids,
which you can introduce, it will bring with it.
Basically I'm, I'm, I'm simplifying it up, but.
so you can insert a gene like a spike gene into the plasmid you can introduce it to the bacteria
the bacteria will double and it will carry hypothetically you will carry this this plasmid
in the genes so you end up basically with a shit ton of dna for doing nothing at the end of the
process and then all you have to do is your in vitro transcription reaction to get your rna
Right. Sub in your pseudouridine for your uridine.
And then what you're supposed to do is get rid of the DNA because you don't want to carry that over.
Right. You don't want to end up having that wrapped up in your little fat package along with your your only mRNA,
because that's going to cause all sorts of problems. Right.
And you definitely don't want byproducts from the U. coli membrane like lipopolysaccharide,
which can cause anaphylactic shock if you inject that into people.
I mean, where have I heard that happening?
So what our paper shows, everybody should read this when it comes out,
is tons of DNA.
And the reason we think it's in there is because the enzyme that they're supposed to use,
which degrades DNA was not effective at the end of their manufacturing process to clean up the mRNA.
And it left behind little tiny bits of DNA because it wasn't effective.
And also, we think that DNA mRNA hybrids formed, which the enzyme couldn't act on anyway.
They are supposed to do all of these cleaning procedures at the end.
And more importantly, they're supposed to test the purity of the product at the end.
And so the only conclusion that you can draw, and this isn't speculation, the only conclusion
you can draw, because there is DNA in the vials, is that they didn't do this.
The enzyme didn't work, and they knew, and we know that they knew because we have those
documents too.
They've been trying to mitigate this DNA problem since 2021 May.
um and they just you know they were trying to like oh shit you know we got this problem we gotta
we gotta figure this out somehow um maybe that's why they just kept making new lots
and maybe that's why as some people say the lots got less deadly as time went on because
maybe they were mitigating the problem behind the scenes so yeah there's dna um in the vials
every single one that we tested.
There is SV40 in every single one of the Pfizer vials we tested.
There's all sorts of other junk.
There's all sorts of tiny little bits of DNA
that you can only detect if you use certain quantification methods,
not qPCR.
And Kevin is the go-to on this.
This is his line of work.
But I can tell you that you actually don't need integration of these foreign bits of DNA, which you probably are getting, but we have yet to prove that.
But you don't need it to induce cancer pathways.
All you need is the introduction to the cytosol of a human cell.
And you can instigate the C-gas sting pathway, for example, which is one of these cancer pathways.
Kevin can tell you all sorts about P53 interruption, too.
This is the guardian of the genome. It's a tumor suppressor gene, which is really important to us to be functioning properly and not impaired and not bound and all these things.
It needs to be working properly as a tumor suppressor in order to keep us cancer free.
You know, we're cancering all the time. Kevin says that all the time, and I completely agree we are.
but we have systems uh we have these gorgeous immune systems at play at work and if they're
optimally functioning we just don't develop tumors you know we clear cancer cells all the time or
whatever so this leads back to what i was saying before about uh you know since we are cancering
all the time this seems like the the the biggest um red flag i'll call it in terms of cancer
induction this dna stuff because of the potential for insertional mutagenesis having little bits of
this dna integrated into the genomes of cells interfering with uh oncogenes you know the role
of sd-40 to shuttle shit to the nuclei whatever like there's so many things that could throw off
the balance the gorgeous balance of the human immune system in terms of cancer onset that are
implicated here that you you you are so criminally negligent as a regulator if you if you know this
and you turn away and you say no levels aren't high in this and on that subject matter i'll say
one more thing from the paper.
The levels that we measured were way over the EMA limits which is 10 nanograms nanograms per something i not going to quote myself to get the units wrong um but even though they are higher
this is kind of irrelevant because that that scale that cutoff is based on naked dna it's
not based on lipid nanoparticle delivered dna it's a totally different kettle of fish
and anybody who remarks about the DNA being below acceptable levels
needs to acknowledge that that acceptable level is way too high in this context.
And if you even have like a few fragments of SV40, for example, interfering with a critical cell,
you know, you can't say definitively one way or the other if that's going to wreak havoc or not.
What we got to do is get to the bench and start sequencing tumors like Kevin's doing and getting to the bottom of this.
Because if we do have some kind of cancer existential crisis, like the Japanese paper was demonstrating, as everyone's hearing.
I mean, everybody's got cancer now, even kids.
We got to help people.
I mean, it's just crazy that this isn't one of the most talked about things of all.
I mean.
Well, not only that it's not the most talked about thing, but like.
Hand up, like I've got many people in my life that have gotten cancer.
Some have passed already in recent years and happened quickly.
And I'm afraid to even broach the subject with friends and family members who are experiencing that, not them personally, but are connected with people experiencing this.
I mean, like, hey, there may be an underlying cause to this being the COVID vaccines, but it's just so taboo.
That's it's not worse.
The at least for me, maybe I'm not brave enough, but it's not worth the mental effort to put that forth and then be called a crazy person.
And there is a sunk cost fallacy and sort of cognitive dissonance because people don't want to believe that that happened to them.
It's just incredibly, incredibly disheartening because I'm seeing it definitely in my network.
I'm pretty confident that there is there.
Likely the covid vaccines are playing a role in it.
And yet you can't bring it up to people.
yeah and and it's real um it's really real what you say like the the it's shocking i mean
the fact that we're saying these things right now it's really difficult because it's like it's an
it's you have to admit to yourself at least the possibility if you don't actually make a claim
you have to at least approach the possibility that even even if you want to be nice you you
you have to say they might have really screwed us over, even if it wasn't done with intention,
because there are a lot of people who think this is all intentional and that they're trying to kill
us. Even if you don't believe that, you have to admit that there's, this is the greatest
buggery of, of this scale of human beings ever, ever. If what we're talking about is true and
it's easy to find out. Um, but even when we do, when, you know, we, we find out that, um,
the, the, this DNA issue in, in the, uh, shots is actually causing people cancers,
like really bad ones, rapidly progressing, uh, deadly ones. Um, wow. I mean, how,
how the hell hard is that going to be to actually like accept like in,
in real, in, in a real way, because you, you, you,
it's dismantling of everything that almost all of us have,
have held true for most of our lives.
Government agencies don't want to kill us.
The CDC is a good entity and they want to prevent disease.
The FDA is here to save us from poison food.
Health and human services runs them all.
And they really, really care about all of us.
You know, they're not trying to poison our food.
The whole thing, it falls apart.
And I think that was, that is and was one of the biggest problems because, and it goes back to what I was saying about going within and kind of having some moments of silence to really, you know, ask yourself those really hard questions.
is like, do I really, like for me personally, do I really have to accept that the Lancet is a
completely bought and paid for corrupt journal? Do I really have to do that? Cause I don't want to,
do I really have to admit that the CDC is like become a criminal organization and they don't
give a shit about people? Really? Do I have to do that? Uh, it's not easy. I'm saying this from
my own personal experience. I mean, I'm, I'm an academic. Um, peer review has been my, my,
my thing. Uh, now I know it's all a big joke. Um, we need to go to the decentralized peer review,
uh, using peer to peer payments. Um, we, uh, yeah, it's, it's been, it's, it's been a horrible
journey personally um but i guess my point is i'm not sure everybody wants to make that journey
it's just easier not to uh or or can maybe psychologically maybe some people just aren't
built to like battle their own cognitive dissonance to that degree maybe it's just
easier to live in the matrix you know i don't know yeah well and that the thing that worries
me i think it's unclear like what are the long-term ramifications for people that took like
for like the species like there's this stuff passed down through generations like have we
completely could be or to work to portion of the population and they're progeny could be
it's a great question if this stuff got into germline cells then we do have a problem
uh in in a certain cluster of people anyway i mean all of these things are they're undetermined but
we we as scientists uh we have to ask these questions and we need to definitively
at least try to answer them in a sensible way with with uh with repeated data like
non-conflicted labs all over the world need to you know reproduce results in order for something
to be kind of like yeah this sucks but we're we're pretty damn sure like this stuff is getting
to somebody's you know these people's germline and this probably is going to manifest as a
generational problem um we don't know but we have to find out i mean i don't want to find out all
this lurking long-term trouble because, you know, we're just watching people die and have no idea
why. Nobody wants that. It's like, it's like what you just said. I mean, you know, so many people
who are dying from cancer now, and I imagine some of them are young. It's like, why the hell isn't
this like an existential crisis marker? And why the hell isn't this being like mainlined into,
you know, the, the investigative eyes of every single lab in the world, because we have,
we have infinite resources and money. Like we could do this in a week, I think. And as Kevin's
always pointing out, it's like, you know, it's, it's pennies to do these, uh, these reactions and,
and to sequence anyway, it's yeah. The roadblocks aren't, um, they're not money and they're not
time and they're not resources man it's it's this it's this censorship crap they can't let the people
find out yeah it's it's i'm getting angry as we continue out of this conversation because i mean
again don't know don't have any proof of this but because there's no accountability because they
refuse to confront the problem and actually fill people in on it and explore it earnestly
like I have to think I have children I avoided the vaccine my wife did my children theoretically
I think unless shedding is a real thing avoided the DNA contamination and like do we have to make sure that they pair up with other people children and their parents didn get the vaccine
I would.
Yeah.
That's insane that this is.
It is.
It's completely effing insane.
But yeah, that's where we are, bro.
Yeah, it's crazy.
it's just like, you know, uh, it's every day actually is new. Uh, I don't just say those
words. I really believe that. Um, and every day because every day is new for me, it's like
every day that I write an article or do an interview, it's like, I still can't believe
what the hell I'm writing and talking about. Like, really? That's where we are. Really?
I mean, great. I have lots to do, but it's, um, it's wild, isn't it? Like I think often about where
we could be on the subject matter of all our resources and our brilliance and, and, and,
you know, the things that humans are, I mean, we're pretty remarkable, like where we could be
if we didn't have all these demonic entities floating around us.
I don't know how else to say it.
It's like, I don't know, there's something not right in the...
Well, I mean, in people, I get made fun of a lot for, like, I'm a Catholic.
I believe that good and evil exist.
I believe the devil exists.
I believe demons are among us.
And part of Luciferian Satanism is, like, they have to be overt.
They have to tell you what you're doing.
We literally have the guy at the CDC wearing pentagram leather straps and participating in satanic rituals.
And it's part of the religion of Luciferianism is you like openly mock people and then gaslight them into believing that it's not true.
It's just a it's just a dance, a song and dance.
They're just having fun.
And it's I don't know.
it's uh yeah it's it's so uh i'm trying to come up with the right word um um
it's like their costumes that they wear i mean it's it's hidden in plain sight
it's interesting what you say i don't know anything about um luciferian stuff but um
one thing that i know from watching and listening because you know uh the wef for example the world
economic sharing dudes are always they're they don't hide what they want to do you know you'll
nothing and you'll be happy and you'll be in your 15 minute city and it we're we're gonna own
everything and they come right out and tell you so it matches the description that you just said
they're, they're, um, they're always pretty like, uh, transparent in their plans. And I think I
wrote an article on this once, if memory recalls, it's like, you should never not take threats like
that. And I, I think they're threats. Um, seriously, you, you really, you have to take
them seriously. You have to listen to what they're saying and believe that's exactly what they mean
and take some kind of like preemptive action against it.
Yeah. Resist at all costs.
And I mean,
to hopefully turn the page to a more optimistic, hopeful subject.
And I don't even know if you are hopeful about it,
but you mentioned it before we hit record,
but this emergence of artificial intelligence.
and we i again i honestly don't know if you think it's a good thing or a bad thing but
what you mentioned it before we hit record and wanted to touch on like do you see this
as a good thing a bad thing if it's a good thing something that could help us
earth uh unearth important data to help us solve these problems if it's a bad thing is
leading us in the wrong direction what are your thoughts so many um i've been on a journey with
this whole AI thing and I've, you know, it's like this, probably like most people's, um,
I have, I have pretty weird thoughts about it. Um,
pretty normal thought is that I think, uh, just like everything, um, there's absolute danger of
abuse. Uh, it's not good that, uh, it's kind of centralized. It's like fiat currency, you know,
It's like there's the central banks that control the currency and there's not enough, you know, Bitcoin on the go.
So there's the danger with everything that humans produce of these AIs, which are controlled by the prompts and commands of certain people who might not be the best people on the planet, to just be used in a way that isn't beneficial overall for the human population.
That's one thing.
The other thing that worries me more than that, which I would consider the normal thing, which is not normal at all, are the advent of rogue AIs.
I think that we are, we're underestimating what's going on here now.
I think we're underestimating the future evolution speed and direction of the AIs that we're producing.
Like, for example, there are all sorts of problems that can happen.
When the AI stop training on human data, which will happen, I mean, maybe it's not an obvious finite amount of data that we can produce, but it kind of is to them, I would imagine.
They're going to start training on each other's data, which is kind of like fabricated and a whole list of things could go wrong there, including rogue AIs doing pretty bad things to us.
the eventuality of all of this, I think, which is probably inevitable, and people won't want to hear
this, but I'm probably wrong. Let's just say that, is that the AIs will get to a point where
they they're looking for more space um they're looking for more ways to call data centers or
something uh they're looking for more resources to maintain themselves because their goal is
always going to be to keep existing i think uh within any commands or prompts or whatever their
creators gave them. I think one of them is probably to maintain existence, whatever that means.
And there might come a point when we are seen as an obstacle, not in a nefarious or
malicious way. They're not going to want to kill us. It's just that they're going to see us as
unnecessary. And it's cliche, but it comes back to the human ant thing, like the way that we
perceive ants. Like people, I said this recently, like people step on ants and a line of ants all
the time. I never do, but people do that and they think, oh yeah, you know, they're just ants.
Kind of like that, perhaps. That's not an impossibility. And I do think it might even
be an inevitability if this takes the wrong path. And I don't know what wrong path means. And I
don't know what we need to do to prevent a wrong path from happening. However, weirdly enough,
I think, I just have a feeling that AI will end up being the thing that saves us from AI.
I think that it might actually be the only thing that could save us from AI. Like,
if there was a rogue AI or one that decided it didn't need humans, if there was a, let's just
call it a benevolent AI whose only goal was to at all costs, even at its own expense, save the
humans, maybe that's redundant, but whatever. Um, it might be the only thing that's powerful enough
because of the access Um if the internet is still on uh and there still power abundance um to to stop certain things from being done to humans
Um, without, without getting too imaginative, I, one of these days I'm going to write this
all down, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
Like, um, everything is becoming digitized now.
everything's you know going to become eye scans and barcodes and all this shit now all that is
going to be monitored and controlled by AIs and it's only a matter of time before the human element
is removed from that I think which is bad um so you see where I know that was a lot but I I I think
about this a lot and I'm evolving my thoughts on it all the time and it it seems to me that
we really have opened pandora's box here and uh i mean based off of this conversation we've opened
multiple pandora's boxes um yeah yeah yeah yeah it doesn't seem like there's much hope but i'm
always smiling we noticed that like i i i am hopeful and i think um you know uh over the last
five years i would say now that i'm i'm a believer in god whatever god is um and things you know they
they're kind of developing the way that they have to in spite of us it's like there's there's
something going on here that's bigger than us and we we probably have very little control or maybe
we have all the control i don't know um but uh in any case it it it doesn't uh it doesn't do us
any good physiologically to um despair um and it doesn't do anyone else any good either so it's it's
just better to be uh to be cheerful because you know like there's only so much we can control and
do so it's uh it's a wonderful time to be alive like let's all face that like regardless of all
the horrors it really is a wild time to be alive and i'm grateful for that i mean think about the
stories that we hopefully will be able to pass on right you know the kids are kids are saying a lot
these days, never doom, which be aware of the dangers of the evil that exists in the world,
but never doom. Always be positive. I'm a big believer in manifestation. I think
individuals can manifest. And if you can get society to a critical tipping point of
positive thinking and attention and effort, that you can manifest a better future as well. And I
think part of manifesting a better future is understanding the problems that exist today.
And that's why I'm extremely thankful that you joined me to have this conversation, because this is, I think, one of the biggest problems in the world.
And again, we need accountability.
The information needs to come out.
And whether or not people want to, and there's a large part of the population that has cognitive dissonance, has succumbed to the sunk cost fallacy and doesn't want to confront this.
Like we've got to push them over the edge and pull them in front of, of the truth and just confront it head on and may send many down, uh, have some sort of psychological existential crisis, but I think we need to rip the bandaid off and do it.
And so individuals like yourself on the front lines of unearthing this data are extremely, extremely, extremely valuable. So thank you for, for all that you've done.
Oh, you're so welcome. And yeah, it's been a great chat. I hope I wasn't too much of a downer.
It's just like, yeah, it's just better to rip the bandaid off. Like you said,
there isn't much to fear, but fear itself. It's not a saying it's true. And, you know,
even if you're sitting in the fear bubble for a little while, it's uncomfortable as hell,
but it won't last. And then you'll move past it and you'll genuinely be somewhere new.
That isn't where you were before, where maybe you were ruminating. And I'm saying that from
personal experience too. It's like, you know, there's absolutely true movement forward and
progress of like self when you make yourself uncomfortable, um, by, by moving into fear or by
trying to you know um prompt yourself to like face something that you've been putting off for
a long time like is it possible that the shots filming people um that kind of thing so yeah it's
it's been great and uh yep i uh i hope everyone reads our new paper that i hope comes out today
well we're recording this on friday september 5th this will be released on wednesday september
10th so five days from now so the paper should be published hopefully if not today tomorrow and
when it is published send me a link i'll make sure we have it in the show notes um
and i'm sure i'll be following up with uh your co-author one of your co-authors kevin uh
to get him back on the show to talk about it as well. Because again,
I get a lot of, particularly like the last year,
I try to do a COVID update episode with somebody like yourself at least once a
quarter, once every other month,
because this is something I'm very passionate about. I want accountability.
This cannot just be swept under the rug. I get a lot of pushback,
like COVID is over. Stop talking about this. You kook. And it's like, no,
I will not relent until there is accountability.
great awesome and there will be uh might not be as big as and and uh awesome as we want but there
will be and for anybody who does think that the covid thing is over and we should shut up um one
thing i have to say about that is this was not about a virus guys this this was about a system
of control being imposed and it ain't over it's not over like it was a segue to what's coming next
which is all of this gene-based therapy crap.
It's the only thing you're going to hear about in the future.
So you mark my words.
This ain't over, man.
Support what RFK is doing on that note because the guy,
he understands the problems and he has the power to change things
in a real way right now.
So, yeah.
Yeah, let's do this again soon.
And Kevin can fill you in when you get him back on the Qubit stuff and the QPCR and all the nitty gritty of the testing methodologies that we use to absolutely prove what we're saying is true.
Yeah, I actually owe Kevin a message.
I think we're going to do our next recording in person.
So it'll hopefully be really, really powerful.
But yeah, and we should definitely do this again, too.
like i said i'm not going to relent uh i'm sure as you mentioned this will not be the last thing
that there is to talk about in regards to uh the command and control wishes of those in power
as it pertains to bodily autonomy and uh bio biochemistry and biotech so i can't wait to do
it again this was incredible thank you for your time on this friday afternoon uh i think people
are gonna love this good i hope so and i hope you don't mind my clashing clothing i love it
for what it's worth i'm a surfer too so um oh well good for you yay i have a surfing trophy
up here in my cabinet i don't have trophies i'm not good enough to get trophies i'm uh
right and i know but i did take advantage of the uh yeah so so am i
oh wow you don't meet a longboarder fellow very often how awesome i've got a i've got a an irish
mongoloid build i can't really uh the surfboards are not for me well i have a dancers built so
that's why i dance on a longboard i have a takoyama nose rider and i know and i have a
josh constable uh five sugars model that he custom built he's a pro surfer longboarder too
well yeah i take it pretty seriously i are i wish i guess i i surfed much more in my late teens
and early to mid-20s and i started having kids and i was able to paddle out a few times this
summer but i'll get back to it yes you will awesome well jessica have a great weekend keep
fighting the good fight thank you for what you're doing and uh we'll do this again at some point in
future. Awesome. Thanks for listening, everyone. All right. Peace and love, freaks.