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You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

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If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

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So it's all acting like safe haven.

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I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their

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currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

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I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin.

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If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

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Zuby, it's been too long. Welcome back to the show.

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Thanks, man. How are you doing?

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Doing well. Doing well. Like I was telling you, I don't know whether it's intended.

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I feel compelled recently, the last six months, to try to better understand Gen Z because I'm looking down.

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We were just talking about our children. I'm a father. I've got two.

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third on the way, you just had your first child. And I don't know, I'm looking at Gen Z,

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streamer culture, looking at the job market, looking at inflation. And I don't want to say

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I'm worried, but just sort of looking at the generation below me and being like, what is the

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future going to look like for you? And how are you going to succeed? Is this in this chaotic,

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crazy, quickly changing world. And you wrote a piece last week, uh, advice for Gen Z men,

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particularly. Um, so that's why I wanted to bring you on, I guess, but this piece particularly,

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what compelled you to write this and speak to Gen Z specifically? Yeah, that's a great question,

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man. I mean, throughout my entire career, I've always, my primary audience has always been

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young men. When I just started out as a rapper in the mid 2000s, most of the people who were

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buying my CDs and listening to my music, it was like teenage boys and young men, sort of like

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14 to 25, probably 80 to 90% of my audience was within that demographic. Now, as I've gotten older,

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I'm 38 years old now. As I've gotten older, my audience has also gotten older with me for the

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most part. But a lot of young people, young men and women follow me online, see what I post,

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listen to my podcast, music, all the different stuff that I do. And when I think about generations,

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it's fascinating because generations always have their similarities and they have their

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differences, of course, because the world moves on, culture changes, politics changes,

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The economy changes, what's happening nationally, internationally.

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It's always changing.

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Technology is evolving.

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And I find something that happens between generations is they like to point the fingers of blame at each other.

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Just like humanity always likes to point the finger, right?

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You know, men want to blame women.

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Women want to blame men.

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Boomers want to blame millennials.

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Millennials want to blame boomers.

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You're like, you can always point the finger in different directions.

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And sometimes there's grains of truth to it.

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And sometimes there aren't.

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But there's not really any point in talking about a generation without talking about the generations that came before them.

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So if older people, whether they're boomers or Gen X or they're millennials, if they're complaining about, you know, the young people these days, then it's like, well, who raised them?

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Who created the culture that they've grown up in?

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Who were their parents?

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Who was running the media?

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Who was in politics, right?

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It's always people who are in the older generation.

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So you can't really blame, like if you're looking at Gen Z, for example, they didn't exactly choose their economic situation, right?

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Like they didn't choose the culture that they're inheriting.

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They didn't choose the state of the world.

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It's just like, okay, you're born into it, you're raised a certain way, and there's all these factors that influence it.

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And I think that now we're in this strange and unique position where we are able to reach hundreds of thousands or millions of people with our platforms via this crazy thing called the Internet and social media.

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Why not try our best to use that for good?

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You're a father.

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I'm a father now.

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But even before I even before I became a father, I was an uncle times 10.

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I've got, you know, 10 nieces and nephews out there.

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I have lots of friends who have kids.

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I'm connected to many people.

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I have hundreds of thousands of young people who follow me online.

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And I have always just tried to do my best, starting with my music and then everything

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else that I do now to try to nudge people in a positive direction, to try to encourage

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people, inspire them, motivate them, whether that's, you know, working harder, taking better

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care of their body, being a better critical thinker, exploring Bitcoin, going to the gym,

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like whatever it is, anything that I can offer to people, because there's just so much negativity

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in the world, man. And that's not new. But I think what is new is with the aforementioned technology,

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we're just bombarded by it all day long, right?

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You can just open any app and it's just, it's endless.

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Like they quite literally have the technology

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called endless scroll, right?

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You can sit there forever for an eternity.

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You could just scroll and scroll and scroll.

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And unless you highly curate your feed,

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the majority of what you see is gonna be,

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if not directly negative, it's gonna be sensational

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or it's gonna be somewhat extreme or it's gonna be,

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you know, cause that's just how it is.

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normal doesn't tend to go viral and normal certainly doesn't tend to make the news.

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So the way I look at it is just, look, I've got this platform. I've had this platform for a long

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time and I've always tried to uplift and help people with it in different ways. And when I look

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at Gen Z in particular, I think just because of the state of technology in particular,

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Um, I feel like they have more opportunities than any previous generation in some ways.

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Um, but they also have like a lot of rather unique threats and concerns, which perhaps

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you're, I, you know, we're, I assume we're both millennials, like which, which we had

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to deal with to some degree.

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But I think like Gen Z is when it's just gonna, it's all going to kind of hit them a lot harder.

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And it's already affecting them in ways that maybe we were able to slightly dodge or only get a grazed by.

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So the reason I wanted to write that article was just to condense the information that I've gathered in the 20 years of my adult life.

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And, you know, maybe some of my life before that and just put something out there that can live on the Internet forever.

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and a young person or even an old person.

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but mostly a young man can stumble across it

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or seek it out and just get some type of guidance

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or orientation and some encouragement as well.

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I think it's very important for people

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to realize that there's hope.

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I think it's really popular now to sort of be a doomer

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and to try to black pill everyone

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and just, you know, everything's terrible and it's the end and society, like that's always going to

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get clicks. It's always going to get views. You can actually monetize that pretty well.

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But if that is your mentality, number one, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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And number two is it just doesn't tangibly help anyone. It might make them feel heard or seen,

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right? It might be kind of cathartic to just, you know, we all know misery loves company and,

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you know, just to complain and to want to tear it down or whatever, you know, that might make

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people feel good in the short term. But ultimately, it's a message of despair. It's telling people

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that there's no hope. It's telling people that no matter what they do, the future is going to be

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worse. And that's, you know, to me, that's not even just a negative message. That's like a,

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if I can use a very strong term, that's like a demonic message.

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like if it is yeah like if you're telling people that no matter no matter what you do

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like it's just gonna suck and the future is gonna be terrible and it's bad i mean so many

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millennials believe that message that they refuse to freaking reproduce like how dark can you go

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i'm sure you've come across people who say things like oh you know like why would you want to why

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would you want to bring a child into this world you know i'd never be like it's like what are you

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what are you talking about? People were having babies during the Great Depression, World War I,

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World War II, all sorts of horrible times throughout history. People were always having

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children. And suddenly in 2024, 2025, people are like, yeah, you know what? The world is so bad

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that I don't even want to continue my genetic legacy. And that's, I mean, if you think of what

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we're ultimately here for, that's like a really extreme conclusion to reach. So I don't want Gen Z

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going down. I don't want them taking that path. So I wanted to put something out there just to

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encourage and help people. Yeah. Everybody should go follow Never Doom Pro on X. Never Doom.

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It's as you manifest these bad, if you're just completely doom scrolling, we were saying like

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the endless scroll, it's funny, like the nomenclature has evolved to the fact where we

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have the term doom scrolling, which is you wake up and you just let the algo feed you the doom.

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and that like you said it is demonic to a certain extent where you like your the way you perceive

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yourself and what you think is how you see the world like you gotta inject good thoughts and

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i i think it's particularly important to get this message out to gen z right now because as

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millennials to your point i think we're at this really interesting inflection point

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and in some ways our generation was the first out the door where we were taught growing up

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go to school, get your degree, get a good job, you'll get a good salary, and have a good life.

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And that completely did not come true for much of our generation. And I think Gen Z is at a point,

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or we're at a point societally where Gen Z can sort of see what happened to us. And there's a

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fork in the road for them. They can either let the doom take over their life, be nihilistic,

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and degenerate, hedonistic, whatever it may be,

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or recognize that despite the fact that things may seem a bit chaotic economically,

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it's not as easy to get ahead.

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There's a lot of social strife, geopolitical issues, whatever it may be.

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It's like the two guys on the bus meeting,

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the one looking at the mountain and the one looking at the sun.

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It's two sides of a coin.

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And you can decide to doom and immerse yourself in that negativity or recognize that there's incredible potential and opportunity moving forward.

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For sure, man.

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And jumping off the last point you said there, I think it's so important for people to realize that in Gen Z, they also have so many advantages.

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This is the thing.

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People want to focus on the negative.

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And the negative is very real.

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The economic circumstances are real.

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like the housing real estate situation is real. The crazy inflation is real. Some of the conflicts

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going on between young men and women and the way they're diverging like that is real. There's a lot

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of stuff that is, you know, I could spend all day talking about talking about the problems. I could

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probably write, write a book about it. But at the same time, the opportunities they have are

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ridiculous. Like if I think of the Gen Z men, I actually know, and I obviously have like a biased

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circle. But the ones I know are like, they are so far ahead of the game. Like it's crazy,

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because they're just able to like connect with people. I mean, I've had people, multiple people

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who have like passed through Dubai, where I live over the last year, say, you know, like I can

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specifically think of like a guy who was 18, a guy who was like 21, another guy who was like in his

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mid 20s. And they literally DM me and they're like, hey, Zuby, I'm in Dubai, like, I'd love to,

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you know, like meet up and like, if you're free, like, let's go for lunch. And I'm sitting there

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and I'm like, and it's like, it was like that easy. You know what I mean? And now they're just

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sitting there and connecting with me and they're connecting with like other people who they follow

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online, who they like and they respect. And they're just telling me about all the stuff they're

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doing. And I'm like, geez, like when I was, I wish I had that opportunity when I was 19. I wish I

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could just like send a message to someone I look up to or I admire who's like a couple decades,

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my senior and just just have coffee with them or just even just follow them online and listen to

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their thoughts and consume the stuff they're putting out there, whether it's podcasts or

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it's YouTube videos or it's writing or it's and it's just and it's just free or it's very cheap.

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You know, we had a little bit of that as we got older, but we certainly didn't grow up

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with so much information at our fingertips. So the question is really, what is the information

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you're going to consume because you can go down one side, as you said, and you can, you can spend

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forever on the problems, right? Like there's a lot of reason to be angry. There's a lot of reason to

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be upset, to feel resentful, to feel like all of these doors have been closed on us. But there's

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also, there are also so many doors that are just, that are just open. I mean, we're both, we're both,

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we're both Bitcoiners, right? I mean, like, imagine being like a teenager, who's able to like,

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learn about this and like, have the opportunity, like, I'm like, gosh, man, I wish, I mean,

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I'm glad we have the opportunity as millennials. But this is just such a gigantic, this thing

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didn't even exist. Like 20 years ago, it didn't, it didn't exist at all. Right? It wasn't, it

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wasn't on the radar. It was, it was not a thing. So yes, it's true. Maybe you're not going to make

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money in real estate, like your, like your boomer grandparents or great grandparents in some cases

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did. But what about these whole new realms that are opening? What about the fact that you have

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people who are quite literally in their teens or in their early twenties, and they have followings

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of like hundreds of thousands or even millions of people online, and they're able to like

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promote stuff to people, then they're able to get their ideas out there and they're able to do this

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and that. And it's all the same technology. It's just like, what are you choosing to do with it?

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Everyone's got a smartphone. Everyone's got an internet connection. Everyone's got mobile data.

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So what are you going to do? Are you going to choose to take this path or that path? And that's

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not just a question for the younger people. I mean, it's true of, it's true of people of all

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ages. It's just like the tools and the access to knowledge has never been greater. It's never been

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greater. The access to people, it's never, ever in human history, been easier to connect with other

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people. It doesn't matter where they live. It doesn't matter the country. It doesn't matter

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their age. It doesn't matter what sector they're in. And even if you're not able to make a personal

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connection, you can still follow them. You can still subscribe to them. You can still like

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get their thoughts on a daily, weekly basis. You know, we had books. Books have existed for a long

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time and books are great. But, um, you know, we, we, we didn't have these opportunities when we were

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teenagers. So yeah, I think, I think those, the people in Gen Z who are able to see

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and focus on the opportunity and think, Hmm, okay. Given what I do have at my disposal,

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how can I become the best person and how can I best utilize this? I think they're going to

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succeed at an insane level, even beyond what the sort of best of millennials were able to achieve.

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But then I think on the flip side, there's a danger where that same technology and that same

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flood of information and that same access to everybody can completely mentally destroy

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a lot of people of that generation. And I would like to get as many people into the former

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category as I can, rather than them succumbing to the, to the ladder. And I think as, you know,

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I think as of, of parents, as parents, that's going to be our job for our own children,

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but also we can, we can reach beyond our blood relations and we can also help many other people

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sats go check it out at opportunitycost.app that's opportunitycost.app i want to touch on like many

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points there and tie it back to your piece to the 12 pieces of advice because like you said like the

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gen z gentleman in your life that you've met like incredible go-getters and i have a similar

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experience we're building uh we've built a browser extension that converts fiat prices to bitcoin

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called Opportunity Cost. And I've worked with a 19 year old kid to build this. And he was like

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homeschooled, never went to college. He's been a software developer for 10 years. And it's been

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incredibly fun for me as a 34 year old working with this 19 year old on this project and seeing

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how he's approaching it and like how he's succeeding as a Gen Z individual. And one of

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the points that you make in your piece is like be very conscious of who you surround yourself with And I think that one of the most important pieces of advice they could give the younger generations

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Because like all these technologies and whether it's Bitcoin, you see this kid's a Bitcoiner.

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He gets Bitcoin. He hasn't fallen down the crypto rabbit hole.

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He's not doing meme coins and all that.

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Like in all these areas, who you surround yourself with and what you focus on is incredibly important.

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and how you filter your information and find the people you should surround yourself with

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is incredibly important. So I want to touch on that, who you surround yourself with,

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and then give one piece of advice to any Gen Z out there who uses X. I don't know if TikTok can do

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it, but use filters, create list and use filters and make sure you're getting the best information.

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Yeah. You know, it's interesting you brought that point up, Marty, because do you know what the three

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most controversial things on that list were based on the on the feedback from the thousands of people

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that read it. I could have actually predicted this. One was the one you just said, you know,

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be careful of who you surround yourselves with. That one. I got some pushback on that one.

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One was, you know, follow God's laws. Of course, I knew I'd get pushback on that one.

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And the third one was the Bitcoin one. Those were the three that had the most that had the most

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pushback and disagreement, which is kind of, kind of fascinating. Um, so the idea that, um,

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you know, people are, some people took offense to the idea that you should not, uh, surround

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yourself with people who are engaging in destructive and reckless or just bad, bad behavior in general.

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Um, I, I find that kind of fascinating because it's one of those things that's so,

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it's, it's so, it's so obvious, but maybe it, I guess, I guess it hurts some people's feelings.

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Why would, yeah. Why do you think that is? Do you think that, cause there's this pull to the

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hedonistic degenerate that people succumb to and they don't want to admit that it's not good or.

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like UK, USA, certainly Canada. Um, I think the, I think people have,

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I think they've overcorrected in many ways over our lifetimes. And I think one of those is the

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idea that any form of judgment is like bad, that you're just never supposed to judge anyone or

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anything, right? You're always supposed to be compassionate and empathetic to the point of,

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you know, bending over backwards and twisting yourself into pretzels

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and not essentially not having standards. Right. So, I mean, you can see this, for example, in,

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I don't know, say, say, say a conversation about like physical health and like the situation going

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on with the obesity, right? Like you're not meant to just say things as they are. You're meant to be

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like, uh, you know, don't say that word. You have to use this word. You can't say this. You have to

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say that, like you have to like to the point where the truth is just muddled. And the idea that

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something like a health standard or like a physical standard should even exist is very

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offensive to people. Um, in the world of, you know, we, we've actually seen a little bit of

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this week cause it's been going viral, but like even the concept of like beauty standards,

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right. Particularly in the world of like women and modeling and stuff like the idea that

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there is like an attractive look, right. An attractive body type. It's like, no, no, no.

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You can be healthy at any size. You can be beautiful at any size. You can be this right.

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So like anything that has like a judgment or a standard that is not easy for every single person

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to meet, which by definition as a standard, you know, it can't be easy for everyone to meet.

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I think people get offended by that idea in itself. So I think it's like an over,

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it's like a massive over correction of compassion or empathy. Like, I agree that we shouldn't be

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like mean and cruel to people. I'm not suggesting insulting or attacking anyone, but if we're going

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to survive as a species and if we're going to thrive as a society, there have to be standards,

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right? Like you have to be able to objectively say like, it's better to do X than to do Y,

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Right. It's better to be it's better to have a hundred thousand net worth than be a hundred thousand in debt.

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Like it's better to, you know, you're married with two kids third on the way.

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Right. Like that is better than you having three baby mamas and three kids from three different women.

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Like that is better. Right. Like you have to be able to say this is better to be physically healthy than.

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not to be. Um, so yeah, I, I think that's kind of what's at the root of that. Cause it's,

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it's something that I've just observed particularly over the past decade, but I think going beyond

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that, um, it's where like a lot of the political correctness stuff also goes off the rails because

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everyone again is trying to kind of do this gymnastics and flex all around so much to,

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to, to not just kind of say something, say something as it is. Um, and I think we,

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I think society is, is, is seriously suffering as a result because it's difficult to

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have any honest conversations without somebody somewhere being offended. And if you're constantly

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worried about ever offending someone, then over time, you just become a liar. You either become

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a liar or a coward because you, you can't say anything because it's like, Oh, well,

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what if someone takes it that way? What if someone takes this the wrong way? Right. As you know,

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even just talking about Bitcoin, like you're going to offend someone, right? There's going to be

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someone out there who, I don't know, they, they're, they're, they're super into stocks or

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they're just a real estate junkie or they're a gold bug, or they think that, uh, crypto is a,

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Bitcoin is just crypto and crypto is all the scam. And what, like people are, people are going to

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have their opinions and, um, and that's fine. I'm just voicing my own opinions as well. People are

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free to disagree with me. But yeah, coming back to the core point, we all know, look, birds of a

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feather flock together. Many people say that, what's that phrase? You know, you're the average

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of the five people you spend the most time with. And there's a lot of truth to these type of things.

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Lo and behold, most successful people, however you're defining success,

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most successful people surround themselves with other successful people. And most,

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I'm going to just say losers. And when I say that, I don't mean someone who's hasn't yet

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achieved success. I'm talking more about their mentality. Um, or people who are just negative

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tend to hang out with people like that. Drug addicts tend to hang out with other drug addicts.

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Alcoholics tend to hang out with other alcoholics. Like that's just how human beings are. So if

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you're someone who does want to succeed and does want to excel and does want to stay out of trouble,

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yeah, I don't recommend, um, you know, hanging out with people who are not aligned with that at all.

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And people who can even get you in trouble or get you involved in bad habits or pull you into

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something which you don't want to be in. Cause even if you are a straight shooter,

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but you're hanging around with degenerates or you're hanging around with even criminals,

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uh, you know, you're going to get roped into something. You're going to get roped into

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something at some point. There's going to be some type of negative externality that, um,

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that hits you. So that was the reason for that single point. I think for young men in particular,

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they're quite liable for that to happen, especially if they don't have good parental

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guidance. I think teenage boys, young men, they're the most likely to kind of get caught up

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in some of these things, particularly criminal, or even as it pertains to vices, gambling, drugs,

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uh, alcoholism, these types of things. Um, young men in particular, I think are, are susceptible of

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that. So yeah, my, my simple advice to them is to be, to be cautious of that.

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No, it explicitly ties into another point you make piece of advice, which is don't make a big

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mistake. Avoid the big mistake. Yeah. Huge one. That's actually the, the, the one I normally

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sometimes, um, like if, if someone comes up to me in public, like a kid or a teenager or whatever,

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and, uh, I had, I've had actually had a many times where they said, like, if you could give,

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like, can you give me like one piece of advice or like one word of encouragement? That's actually

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normally the one I give them. Um, it's, it's, it's normally the one is, it's not like something

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to do per se. It's more like, just don't like, don't fall into one of these pitfalls

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that so many millions of men have fallen into. Because most mistakes are temporal. There aren't

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that many things in life where, oh, you know, you make this mistake and it's going to permanently

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make life more difficult for you. But there are some, you know, if you get, I don't know, if you

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commit a felony when you're 18 years old and now for the rest of your life until the day you die,

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you've got that criminal record. You've got that mark every time your name, every time you're

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searched for every time it comes up, you've got that on your name. It's going to make life. It's

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going to make life harder for you. Um, it doesn't mean you can't still become successful. It doesn't

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mean you can't succeed, but it's, it's, it's going to be harder if you hit the age of 30. And, um,

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you know, I, I, I know, I know people who have done this. I know, I know guys who are like 30

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years old and they have like, you know, two, three kids from two, two, three different women.

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and, um, it's complicated, right? It's, it's just really complicated for them. And it's always going

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to be like, it's going to be true a decade from now, two decades from now, three decades from now,

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they're still going to have that situation. And, um, again, it's doesn't mean like, oh, your,

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your life is over. It's just, it's just complicated. It's just complicated. Um,

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and these are things that you can, you can easily avoid. Um, if you hit 30 and you're,

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you've racked up 106 figures in debt. Can you come back from it? Yeah, of course.

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But your life is going to be more limited. You're going to struggle. You're not going to be able to

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do certain things. You might be able to otherwise. Certain doors are going to be closed to you. It's

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just, it's just hard. These are the situations where it's just like, look, if you can, to be

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honest, that, that third, that last one is probably, is probably like the better, it's probably a

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better situation than the other two in many ways. But, um, yeah, I just discourage guys from getting

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involved in that. Also, I think it's important to say it as well, because like the culture doesn't

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really tell you that. Um, sadly, I mean, maybe it depends a lot on where you grew up and who your

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parents are and what you're surrounded by, but there are certainly a lot of pockets of society,

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a lot of communities, a lot of cultures in the USA, in the UK, in our countries where,

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you know, people don't really get that lesson. In fact, sometimes they even get the opposite.

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Like they literally, literally will get the opposite lesson. They'll be around people who

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think it's like cool to commit crime or it's cool to go to prison or it's cool to, you know,

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have a bunch of kids from a bunch of different women or what. And it's just like, yeah, that's,

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that that's not healthy. It's not healthy messaging. And all you're doing is,

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you know, making life difficult for people making their lives more complicated than they need to be.

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Not only that, but just wasting your own life. Okay. I think that's one thing,

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especially when you have children, you and they begin to get older, and you'll realize this in

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years, but the time flies, there's nothing scarcer than time. We talk about Bitcoin,

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only ever be 21 million, extremely scarce, the only thing scarcer than Bitcoin.

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is your time and if you're wasting it by making these big mistakes which if you make one big

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mistake early in your life it's going to eat up your time in the future and like avoiding that

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big mistake whether it's debt multiple baby mamas an addiction crime like you're just you're taking

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away your future time from you which is extremely scarce huge opportunity cost yeah and it's funny

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because you have to sort of juxtapose,

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avoid the big mistake with make a bunch of small

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but good mistakes by testing things out.

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And I think that's another thing that I feel very fortunate of

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is I was not afraid to take risk in my early 20s.

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And I didn't figure out what I wanted to do

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or what my path was until my mid to late 20s

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where I got a good job at a hedge fund out of college

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was a very good trajectory, but I just could not stomach sitting in a cube crunching Excel

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all day. And I decided to quit on a whim and go learn about tech. And then for like five years,

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I meandered and sort of was aimless making a bunch of small mistakes, trying to figure out

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what I wanted to do. But I think it's also just as important, avoid the big mistake,

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but make a bunch of small mistakes and don't be afraid to take risk to find out what you want to do.

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You bring up such an interesting point there, Marty. It's almost like take risks, but be very judicious in what they are. Because all the negative things I mentioned, I mean, those are all like high risk. Those are all high risk behaviors, but they're not, they're not conducive to your success.

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So if you are someone who's got that natural risk-taking personality, which I think most young men in particular do, then yeah, just be wise about it.

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Like use that energy for the right things.

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In the same way, you should channel your aggression and channel your competitive nature into things that are productive rather than things that are destructive.

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That same energy that comes from the testosterone that's like surging, surging through your body.

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There are very destructive manifestations of it and there are incredibly productive ones.

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So instead of destroying, build.

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And there's never been a better time to build, too.

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We've been talking about social media accessibility to individuals, DMs being open.

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And even if the DMs aren't open, just being able to receive the broadcast of their thoughts and learn from them in that way.

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Like the tools to actually build and be productive have never been more accessible, cheaper or powerful than they are today.

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and i think that's when we get into the overarching theme of your piece and why we're here talking

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today it's just like that's why i wanted to bring you on is really drive home to anybody in gen z

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listening like the opportunity is massive and it's a double-edged sword there's a ton of noise

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the signal to noise ratio has never been as off skew as it has been today but the signal is there

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Let's talk about live by God's law

402
00:35:42,864 --> 00:35:44,904
because he said it's controversial.

403
00:35:46,124 --> 00:35:49,464
And I completely agree with it too.

404
00:35:49,584 --> 00:35:52,644
And this is speaking from the Catholic perspective.

405
00:35:52,644 --> 00:35:53,684
I'm a cradle Catholic,

406
00:35:53,684 --> 00:35:58,084
born and raised with the Catholic school and Catholic high school and Catholic college,

407
00:35:58,624 --> 00:36:04,744
grew up going to church, got a bit jaded because of the, the Catholic priest diddling situation

408
00:36:04,744 --> 00:36:10,144
here in the United States and other parts of the world. I wouldn't say ever went like full

409
00:36:10,144 --> 00:36:14,944
atheism, but I definitely stopped going to church for a period of time there. But then

410
00:36:14,944 --> 00:36:20,804
got married, started having children. My wife and I started having these hard conversations,

411
00:36:20,804 --> 00:36:28,544
not hard conversations, but like honest, open conversations about how we want to raise our children when it comes to faith.

412
00:36:28,784 --> 00:36:33,744
And we really fell back to like the Ten Commandments just makes sense to us.

413
00:36:33,884 --> 00:36:37,284
Like we distilled it down to the Ten Commandments.

414
00:36:37,284 --> 00:36:45,684
Like if our boys and future children live by the Ten Commandments, like we should strive to live by the Ten Commandments.

415
00:36:45,744 --> 00:36:50,264
We think it's worthwhile to imbue that message to our children, too.

416
00:36:50,264 --> 00:36:56,264
I think this is very important and it's so simple, but for some reason it's controversial.

417
00:36:58,024 --> 00:36:58,104
Yeah.

418
00:36:58,324 --> 00:37:05,744
Well, I think, man, you know, I keep coming back to like this thing about the West and

419
00:37:05,744 --> 00:37:10,504
it's because the West is in such an odd position right now.

420
00:37:11,144 --> 00:37:17,544
It's true of pretty much every country in Western Europe, certainly the USA, the UK,

421
00:37:17,544 --> 00:37:30,244
Australia, New Zealand, Canada, they're in the very strange position where these countries are all, they're all traditionally Christian countries.

422
00:37:30,704 --> 00:37:46,184
And to this day, Christianity would be the, I guess, number one religion in them in terms of what people believe they, what people would say they're at least affiliated to.

423
00:37:46,184 --> 00:38:04,644
They have obviously like all their churches. If you look at most of the hospitals in these nations, lots of them are going to be named after, you know, St. This, St. That, even a lot of the colleges and universities and schools and even the legal systems and people's beliefs are so heavily influenced by Christian teachings.

424
00:38:05,404 --> 00:38:11,464
I know in the USA, for example, I mean, in the US in particular, I think over 60% of

425
00:38:11,464 --> 00:38:14,924
Americans to this day consider themselves Christian.

426
00:38:16,764 --> 00:38:21,364
But then you look at the culture and you look at the media and you look at certain things

427
00:38:21,364 --> 00:38:27,084
going on and you're like, ah, this isn't really sort of striking me as a majority Christian

428
00:38:27,084 --> 00:38:27,944
country.

429
00:38:27,944 --> 00:38:52,924
There seems to be a, what's the word, a paradox here where like things don't quite seem to be lining up and where the, look, the truth is that the dominant culture in our countries now is actually, I'd call it like secular progressivism is really the dominant culture.

430
00:38:52,924 --> 00:39:19,808
And the reason I know that that is true is because espousing a traditional Christian viewpoint um is considered more controversial and is more likely to upset people than espousing like a typical boilerplate like secular progressive view To see the most obvious example of this you could look at how the attitude towards

431
00:39:19,808 --> 00:39:25,588
so-called same-sex marriage has changed even over the last 20 years, right? So if you go back 20

432
00:39:25,588 --> 00:39:32,748
years ago, even the Democrats, right? The Democrats in the US were like, no, no, we don't support that.

433
00:39:32,748 --> 00:39:35,728
Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, they're like, no, marriage is between a man and a woman.

434
00:39:35,908 --> 00:39:41,088
All of human history, all of the existence of the U.S., all the existence of the entire world,

435
00:39:41,668 --> 00:39:45,748
everyone's understood marriage between a man and a woman. It's not even just explicitly

436
00:39:45,748 --> 00:39:51,128
a Christian thing, but certainly in the entire Christian world, that was the case.

437
00:39:51,648 --> 00:39:58,388
And it all changed like in what, the last 15 years. Whereas now, if I were to go on like,

438
00:39:58,388 --> 00:40:04,948
I don't know, um, on, if I were to go on TV and they asked me my views and I said, yeah, you know,

439
00:40:04,968 --> 00:40:08,988
marriage is just between a man and a woman, or they asked me if I support, you know, gay marriage

440
00:40:08,988 --> 00:40:13,368
or whatever. And I've said, no, like that would be, what would be controversial if, if, if I wanted

441
00:40:13,368 --> 00:40:16,988
to play it safe, I'd be like, oh yeah, that's fine. You know, love is love or whatever, you know,

442
00:40:16,988 --> 00:40:21,848
that'll get me the claps. That'll get me the applause. Um, and so you can actually, we, we,

443
00:40:21,908 --> 00:40:26,328
we have lived through the switch. I use that example. Cause I think it's like one of the most

444
00:40:26,328 --> 00:40:33,168
obvious ones. Um, being pro-life opposing the killing of children in the womb is more controversial

445
00:40:33,168 --> 00:40:42,648
than supporting it. Um, does that sound like a Christian country? I mean, like on the subject

446
00:40:42,648 --> 00:40:49,428
of demonic forces, like the, the pro-choice movement is one like literally murdering human

447
00:40:49,428 --> 00:40:55,328
life. Yeah, there we go. Right. But, but saying that is like, I know when I say that, like,

448
00:40:55,328 --> 00:40:59,228
oh my gosh, someone might hear that and be like, oh my gosh, this guy's like a far right,

449
00:40:59,308 --> 00:41:03,648
or he's like hardcore conservative, or he's like a, and I'm just like, this is not even,

450
00:41:04,208 --> 00:41:10,628
like this is not, the fact that that is even considered like a sort of really polarizing,

451
00:41:10,668 --> 00:41:15,848
a sort of extreme view. I mean, that kind of shows how far, how far it's gone. So coming,

452
00:41:15,948 --> 00:41:21,468
coming back to the, the point of the piece and based on what you just told me about like your own

453
00:41:21,468 --> 00:41:25,608
faith journey and life trajectory. I think it's a really common one for millennials.

454
00:41:26,928 --> 00:41:33,648
And maybe it's just because we're at that sort of, I don't know, I think, I think millennials,

455
00:41:33,648 --> 00:41:39,508
like we're, we're the last generation that sort of had the, we lived pretty much half of our lives

456
00:41:39,508 --> 00:41:44,168
without the internet, smartphones and social media, and the other half with, I think we've

457
00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:50,628
been through this disruption. And it's affected us in a lot of ways. And I think a lot of us,

458
00:41:50,628 --> 00:41:58,828
we're kind of encouraged on one hand to follow tradition and do what our parents and our ancestors

459
00:41:58,828 --> 00:42:04,788
did and to follow this path. But then the media and the culture and even the schools and the

460
00:42:04,788 --> 00:42:08,368
universities and so many people, it's like, no, just like, you know, totally pursue your own path.

461
00:42:08,368 --> 00:42:13,688
Like you're completely individual, like you're totally free, like, you know, throw off the

462
00:42:13,688 --> 00:42:20,468
shackles, do whatever makes you feel good. Do. And so I think a lot of us, a lot of people

463
00:42:20,468 --> 00:42:27,628
in our generation kind of started in one place, a little more like conservative, shall we say,

464
00:42:27,708 --> 00:42:33,508
for lack of a better term. And then in your teens and your young adulthood, as you naturally start

465
00:42:33,508 --> 00:42:39,788
to question things more, which is very natural, and you start to explore and experiment and so on,

466
00:42:39,788 --> 00:42:44,488
and you kind of go through one way. And then there's this funny thing that often happens where

467
00:42:44,488 --> 00:42:51,748
based on your own experiences and your own observations and observing other people and

468
00:42:51,748 --> 00:42:58,168
seeing how things are panning out for people as you get into your late 20s, your 30s, and you're

469
00:42:58,168 --> 00:43:05,588
seeing people who have taken all of these different paths. And for so many people, it kind of comes

470
00:43:05,588 --> 00:43:11,948
full circle where you're kind of back to like, oh, that's why that rule existed. Oh, that's what

471
00:43:11,948 --> 00:43:17,768
happens when you stray away from this. Oh, that's why my parents always said this. Oh, that's why

472
00:43:17,768 --> 00:43:25,788
in the book it says to, to, to do this and to not do this. Um, it's not just because they want to

473
00:43:25,788 --> 00:43:31,228
like, you know, be oppressive or clamp down on people's freedom or stop people having fun or

474
00:43:31,228 --> 00:43:36,988
whatever. It's because, you know, there's a, there, there's someone up there who, who understands

475
00:43:36,988 --> 00:43:42,048
the world better than we do. And all of these people who have come before us, they weren't

476
00:43:42,048 --> 00:43:48,268
necessarily like, you know, C.S. Lewis called it chronological snobbery, right? The idea that

477
00:43:48,268 --> 00:43:53,588
modern people always think that they're so much smarter and better than people who came before

478
00:43:53,588 --> 00:44:00,828
them. And we're really not. You know, sometimes I'll see like a post going viral on social media,

479
00:44:01,028 --> 00:44:05,628
and it will be like someone having a realization of something that people have like known for

480
00:44:05,628 --> 00:44:10,668
thousands of years. I don't know. Maybe it's someone who's been like super promiscuous and

481
00:44:10,668 --> 00:44:13,768
they've been sleeping around a whole bunch or whatever. And then they're like, you know what,

482
00:44:13,828 --> 00:44:18,308
like I've recently like been monogamous and like, I feel so much better. Like my mental health is

483
00:44:18,308 --> 00:44:23,028
better. You know, like those, those types of posts that you're just a bit like, oh boy,

484
00:44:23,108 --> 00:44:27,648
like human beings are so funny, but this is nothing new. I mean, even in the old Testament,

485
00:44:27,648 --> 00:44:32,248
there's the constant rebellion and people coming back and rebellion and people coming back.

486
00:44:32,248 --> 00:44:42,328
and you know you can live your life just by a few simple rules and it it it works

487
00:44:42,328 --> 00:44:48,548
one of the biggest conversations that's happening now and this is big on for Gen Z as well is um

488
00:44:48,548 --> 00:44:54,328
you know this whole conversation about like mental health and everyone's like why is mental health

489
00:44:54,328 --> 00:44:58,548
declining why are young people so anxious why are they so depressed why there's this and this

490
00:44:58,548 --> 00:45:14,928
And sure, there's multiple factors going on. But the one that people, again, want to dodge is like the spiritual component. People want to talk about food and they want to talk about smartphones and they want to talk about screens and they want to talk about the economy.

491
00:45:14,928 --> 00:45:34,528
And you can talk about all those things with no controversy. But, you know, if you say the G word, if you say God and you say, you know, people have abandoned God and they're trying to do it their own way, then, you know, people will kind of give you a little bit of a side eye. And that's so clearly one of the main factors that's happening.

492
00:45:34,528 --> 00:45:47,888
And something that's kind of funny about it is even when you look at for people who are obsessed with studies, even like there have been many secular studies from like non-religious organizations.

493
00:45:47,888 --> 00:45:56,448
and they still show that like religious people on average are happier, less likely to be depressed,

494
00:45:57,088 --> 00:46:03,348
more likely to have kids and be happy about it, more likely to be happy, like almost any indicator

495
00:46:03,348 --> 00:46:10,928
of a healthy human being. It's like, you know, those people who are still going to church and

496
00:46:10,928 --> 00:46:16,048
still getting married and still having kids and still kind of just living more traditionally,

497
00:46:16,048 --> 00:46:23,948
um the generally speaking they're they're better off by all these measures so

498
00:46:23,948 --> 00:46:30,388
and you know i think maybe one point here is i think something that's kind of fascinating and

499
00:46:30,388 --> 00:46:35,128
a little bit amusing about it is even if i even if i just think of people i know

500
00:46:35,128 --> 00:46:41,468
or people who i'm acquainted with which is a pretty large sample size even those who are

501
00:46:41,468 --> 00:46:50,088
not religious or even are explicitly atheist, the ones who tend to be like genuinely, uh, joyful

502
00:46:50,088 --> 00:46:57,608
and happy and thriving long-term, they still follow, they still follow God's laws. Like they,

503
00:46:57,608 --> 00:47:04,388
they tend to live quite, um, like their, their beliefs about the world are not, are not religious

504
00:47:04,388 --> 00:47:08,928
or Christian per se, but like the way they actually live and the things they actually do

505
00:47:08,928 --> 00:47:15,908
and their basic sort of moral tenets are very much aligned actually with the value system.

506
00:47:16,008 --> 00:47:20,828
So whether they've kind of taken it and they've removed the God part or, you know, they feel like

507
00:47:20,828 --> 00:47:27,128
they've somehow derived it another way, it still remains true. So regardless of like someone's

508
00:47:27,128 --> 00:47:37,308
individual theology, the behaviors themselves are very much in line with human thriving and

509
00:47:37,308 --> 00:47:45,748
well-being both on an individual and a collective level yeah on the subject of like mental health

510
00:47:45,748 --> 00:47:49,208
being a subject i saw a great tweet like why is mental health at an all-time high what is

511
00:47:49,208 --> 00:47:54,008
anxiousness at an all-time high and somebody's like it's it can be distilled into like people

512
00:47:54,008 --> 00:47:59,248
have this uh subconscious recognition that they're not living up to their true potential

513
00:47:59,248 --> 00:48:06,548
because they're doing these degenerate hedonistic lazy things and they're not not living up to their

514
00:48:06,548 --> 00:48:11,288
full potential and if you dig into the things that they're doing instead of living up to their

515
00:48:11,288 --> 00:48:18,648
potential whether it's hedonistic degenerate or lazy like you're you're sort of confront you're

516
00:48:18,648 --> 00:48:25,588
avoiding god's law by doing those things and so like a layer below that that explanation is like

517
00:48:25,588 --> 00:48:30,228
living to god's law like being a good person being productive treating your neighbor well

518
00:48:30,228 --> 00:48:39,348
raising a family and, and to your point about like people being viscerally reactive to people

519
00:48:39,348 --> 00:48:42,528
sort of pointing like, Hey, you're not living by God's law. This is why you're having these

520
00:48:42,528 --> 00:48:48,628
problems. And they sort of lash out. I don't want to get too esoteric, but that's like the demons

521
00:48:48,628 --> 00:48:52,588
lashing out. Like, no, like I want to keep doing this stuff. I don't want to, I don't want to

522
00:48:52,588 --> 00:48:57,628
recognize that it is because I'm not living within God's law that I'm having all these problems. And

523
00:48:57,628 --> 00:49:06,648
You sort of have like this demonic sort of reaction to it or the inner demons are like trying to pull you back towards the hedonistic stuff.

524
00:49:06,828 --> 00:49:09,388
I don't know if that's too heady, but that's sort of the way.

525
00:49:10,108 --> 00:49:11,408
Not for me.

526
00:49:11,528 --> 00:49:12,008
Not for me.

527
00:49:12,908 --> 00:49:13,068
Yeah.

528
00:49:13,248 --> 00:49:19,688
And I think, look, I think this is another area.

529
00:49:20,208 --> 00:49:23,088
The data is very like hazy on this one.

530
00:49:23,088 --> 00:49:28,868
I've seen it kind of go both directions, but it also looks like Gen Z are kind of waking up to this one as well.

531
00:49:29,168 --> 00:49:42,088
I've seen some points of data that seem to point out that Gen Z are starting to like go back to church more and are more interested actually in traditional Christianity and even other faiths.

532
00:49:43,268 --> 00:49:47,088
So, again, I think what Gen Z can do is they can just look up.

533
00:49:47,088 --> 00:49:51,088
They can look up in millennials, Gen X, boomers.

534
00:49:51,088 --> 00:49:57,848
boomers, and you've got billions of people who have taken all of these different paths.

535
00:49:58,528 --> 00:50:02,088
And it's always helpful to just look up and be like, okay, what do I want to emulate?

536
00:50:03,128 --> 00:50:08,308
Where do I want to be? You know, when I'm 30, when I'm 40, when I'm 50, when I'm 70, when I'm 80.

537
00:50:08,788 --> 00:50:15,088
Because oftentimes when we're in our 20s, or in our teens, we tend to only think about the first

538
00:50:15,088 --> 00:50:20,308
half of our lives. I think most people think about what their life is going to look like up until like

539
00:50:20,308 --> 00:50:26,808
40, maybe 50, not a lot of people think, okay, what's, what do I want my life to look like between

540
00:50:26,808 --> 00:50:33,668
50 and a hundred? Very few people think about that. Like we have this short-term bias. And

541
00:50:33,668 --> 00:50:38,988
again, if the decisions you make, it's kind of, it's kind of a scary thought, right? Like the

542
00:50:38,988 --> 00:50:45,048
decisions you make in your twenties and thirties in particular, but also your forties, like those

543
00:50:45,048 --> 00:50:51,128
are really going to set up what the second half of your life looks like. So no one has to, no,

544
00:50:51,188 --> 00:50:56,668
no one has to have children, right? Like I'm not, I'm not forcing anyone to have kids, but if you

545
00:50:56,668 --> 00:51:03,648
choose not to, um, then someone should really like really, really think about what that means.

546
00:51:03,648 --> 00:51:08,988
Cause you're not only choosing not to be a parent, you're also choosing never to be a grandparent,

547
00:51:08,988 --> 00:51:15,768
Right. You're choosing you're closing off a lot of potential avenues.

548
00:51:17,108 --> 00:51:21,988
So if I look at my parents, for example, my parents have been married almost 50 years.

549
00:51:22,468 --> 00:51:25,268
They have five kids, 11 grandkids now.

550
00:51:26,208 --> 00:51:27,968
My dad is approaching 80.

551
00:51:28,288 --> 00:51:29,148
My mom is 70.

552
00:51:29,868 --> 00:51:38,488
And if I look at like what keeps them going, what energizes them, what keeps them youthful, what brings a smile to their face, what they feel.

553
00:51:38,988 --> 00:51:47,728
what they feel are their biggest accomplishments and so on in their older years, it all comes down

554
00:51:47,728 --> 00:51:53,908
to family, like entirely. My dad has a great career. You know, he's a successful doctor for

555
00:51:53,908 --> 00:52:01,708
five decades. But it's just like, yeah, the family, obviously, and it keeps them young,

556
00:52:01,788 --> 00:52:06,948
it keeps them active, it keeps them youthful. So are there some people who have like really

557
00:52:06,948 --> 00:52:11,548
thought of this and they're like, you know what, I'm happy to be a 60, 70, 80 year old man or woman

558
00:52:11,548 --> 00:52:18,188
with like, you know, and not have family around me. Okay. You know, if that's really, if that's

559
00:52:18,188 --> 00:52:23,228
really what you choose, then fair enough. But I think, um, I just think in our very like sort of

560
00:52:23,228 --> 00:52:28,928
short term, short term thinking culture, uh, a lot of people have never even really thought of that.

561
00:52:29,008 --> 00:52:33,108
They haven't really thought, okay, even just the idea that by choosing not to be a parent,

562
00:52:33,108 --> 00:52:36,968
you're also choosing not to be a grandparent, right? Like you, you're just closing, you're

563
00:52:36,968 --> 00:52:42,748
closing that door of that potential human experience. Um, that's a pretty big deal.

564
00:52:42,828 --> 00:52:45,908
I don't think that's a, I don't think that's a decision you should make real, like lightly.

565
00:52:46,548 --> 00:52:51,928
Um, I think people should really, really think about that. And yeah, there's always going to be

566
00:52:51,928 --> 00:52:55,968
a minority. There's always going to be people who are exceptions who are like, okay, cool. Like this

567
00:52:55,968 --> 00:53:01,368
is the path that you want to take. But for the vast majority of people I'd wager like for 90%

568
00:53:01,368 --> 00:53:09,388
of people, um, you know, 90, 90 to 95% of people, it's probably not the, um, it's probably not the

569
00:53:09,388 --> 00:53:16,988
best long-term path for them. Um, very similarly, uh, I'm sure, you know, you see lots of conversations

570
00:53:16,988 --> 00:53:22,668
about dating and relationships and marriage and this and this and this. Um, and it's like,

571
00:53:23,448 --> 00:53:28,988
look, even as a man with your sort of like longer biological clock, shall we say, um,

572
00:53:28,988 --> 00:53:46,148
You know, do you want to be like 50, 60, 70, and you're still just like living the bachelor life? I mean, maybe you do, right? There's going to be a small percentage of guys out there who like, that's, you know, they're just, they're kind of wired that way.

573
00:53:46,148 --> 00:54:02,108
But in reality, like, again, if you look at elderly people, if you, you know, most of them, the ones who are happiest, the ones who feel most fulfilled, the ones who feel least lonely, you know, typically like they've, they've got someone, they've, they've, they've got people.

574
00:54:02,588 --> 00:54:13,468
So look, if something has been done for like thousands and thousands and thousands of years, it doesn't always mean it's a good idea, but normally there's a reason for it.

575
00:54:13,468 --> 00:54:20,728
Like if someone has if something's just existed and it's just persisted in humanity and it seems to have like help people, there's normally a good reason for it.

576
00:54:20,868 --> 00:54:30,528
So before like totally rejecting it or closing that door, I would encourage people to at least like really, really, really think, really, really think about it.

577
00:54:30,548 --> 00:54:32,168
Like, why does this exist?

578
00:54:33,328 --> 00:54:40,368
And maybe, maybe, maybe you're so exceptional that you can eschew multiple of these things and you'll still be fine and you'll thrive.

579
00:54:40,368 --> 00:54:47,688
but um statistically probably not so yeah i won't belabor the point

580
00:54:47,688 --> 00:54:55,128
well i'll belabor it for you because i was uh i was thinking like just last night uh and we're

581
00:54:55,128 --> 00:55:01,368
very fortunate we're at the jersey shore right now it's tradition and not only my family my

582
00:55:01,368 --> 00:55:06,248
wife's family come down here in the summer and it's typically multi-generational houses so we're

583
00:55:06,248 --> 00:55:11,288
living with her parents in a house right now last night me my wife and my mother-in-law are playing

584
00:55:11,288 --> 00:55:18,888
manjohn and my mother-in-law's in her mid-70s or getting to her mid-70s she would be offended if i

585
00:55:18,888 --> 00:55:24,708
said that but uh it was just like i was sitting there they were sitting across the table i was at

586
00:55:24,708 --> 00:55:29,208
the end of the table or playing just chatting and like i could see the joy that not only my mother

587
00:55:29,208 --> 00:55:33,988
in law had but my wife had that they were spending that quality time together and her grandkids were

588
00:55:33,988 --> 00:55:40,488
sleep downstairs and to your point about look up to millennials like there is a number of

589
00:55:40,488 --> 00:55:44,988
millennials reaching their mid to late 30s that are coming to this realization that they did not

590
00:55:44,988 --> 00:55:50,308
do this and they're having existential crises and it's something that as a gen z-er you should try

591
00:55:50,308 --> 00:55:55,988
to avoid at all costs there are people waking up realizing that they wasted their 20s their early

592
00:55:55,988 --> 00:56:01,248
30s and particularly women don't have the opportunity to sort of buy that back the

593
00:56:01,248 --> 00:56:03,208
The biological clock will not allow it.

594
00:56:03,208 --> 00:56:10,548
And it's amazing because what you just said right there is like one of those it's another one of those taboos.

595
00:56:11,248 --> 00:56:13,488
Like it's like you're not you're not supposed to say that.

596
00:56:13,548 --> 00:56:16,868
It's like it's not kind to not say that.

597
00:56:16,908 --> 00:56:23,488
Right. It's not good to mislead generations of young women to like be.

598
00:56:23,648 --> 00:56:28,848
I've heard people say things like, oh, you know, just like wait until like, you know, your late 30s or 40s.

599
00:56:28,848 --> 00:56:31,208
You know, the guys are like, I'm like, what kind of advice is that?

600
00:56:31,248 --> 00:56:37,768
Like, and they'll point again, they'll point to exceptions of like, oh, well, so-and-so had a baby when she was 45 years old.

601
00:56:37,848 --> 00:56:40,428
So-and-so celebrity had a baby at 47.

602
00:56:40,428 --> 00:56:47,108
And it's like, is this really the message you want to be telling like young women in their, in their twenties?

603
00:56:47,528 --> 00:56:57,048
Like you're, you're setting so many millions of people up for disappointment and, and heartbreak and heartache.

604
00:56:57,488 --> 00:56:59,848
And this, this is just the reality of it.

605
00:56:59,848 --> 00:57:00,928
I didn't make it this way.

606
00:57:01,248 --> 00:57:04,828
You didn't make it this way. Like we didn't program the biology of how things work.

607
00:57:06,188 --> 00:57:09,568
But I think it's important for people to realize like on this subject in particular,

608
00:57:10,528 --> 00:57:15,928
most things I'd say like, you know, life, life has different seasons, right? And there are

609
00:57:15,928 --> 00:57:24,008
certain things you can only do during certain windows of your life. So if you miss that window,

610
00:57:24,008 --> 00:57:31,188
then it's, it's gone. Um, lots of things are not like this. There are many things where like,

611
00:57:31,208 --> 00:57:35,668
you know, you can always do it, but, um, you know, I'd say this, even someone who like really wants

612
00:57:35,668 --> 00:57:42,468
to like, I don't know, travel the world and explore and do some like super active things.

613
00:57:42,468 --> 00:57:46,908
Like you, you're, there's going to come an age where like, you're not able to do it all.

614
00:57:47,288 --> 00:57:52,448
Say, I don't know, you want to go like snowboarding in the Alps. Um, you're probably not going to be

615
00:57:52,448 --> 00:57:57,088
able to, you probably don't want to save that till your sixties or your seventies. Okay. Like do that

616
00:57:57,088 --> 00:58:02,468
while you're youthful and you've got the energy and you're, you can physically do it. Um, do those

617
00:58:02,468 --> 00:58:08,308
things at this time when it comes to, you know, have having a family, um, you, you don't want to

618
00:58:08,308 --> 00:58:12,648
leave that for ever. If you're a woman and you're thinking, okay, I'll start thinking about this.

619
00:58:12,648 --> 00:58:18,888
Like when I'm 38 or when I'm 40, I mean, wake up call, if no one else is going to say it, I'll be

620
00:58:18,888 --> 00:58:23,028
like that. That's a really horrible, it's a really bad idea. Like it doesn't mean there's

621
00:58:23,028 --> 00:58:27,268
0% chance you'll succeed. I know people who have done that and they've managed to like kind of

622
00:58:27,268 --> 00:58:33,928
slide in, but, um, it's not a good strategy. Like it's not in the same way. Like, you know,

623
00:58:33,928 --> 00:58:39,008
some people win the lottery, but like, I don't think it's a good strategy to like not work and

624
00:58:39,008 --> 00:58:52,352
just keep buying lotto tickets and just keep on waiting for the chance Like you know you going to get that So yeah I I think that keeps coming up here Marty is like society we live in a culture that lies to people a lot

625
00:58:53,012 --> 00:58:58,412
that prefers comforting lies to truths that might be like a little bit uncomfortable,

626
00:58:58,412 --> 00:59:04,852
or which like might offend some people, or which not every single person perfectly fits into.

627
00:59:05,812 --> 00:59:09,592
There are always going to be exceptions. But if you think of what the purpose of a culture is,

628
00:59:09,592 --> 00:59:15,912
I've never like expressed this thought I'm kind of thinking like almost like part of what a culture

629
00:59:15,912 --> 00:59:23,292
is is to like create a template and a set of expectations and standards and perhaps guidelines

630
00:59:23,292 --> 00:59:32,552
for what most people should do right so it doesn't mean that like it's going to work for 100% of

631
00:59:32,552 --> 00:59:37,832
people or everything's going to be perfect or there's no exceptions but it's like okay like

632
00:59:37,832 --> 00:59:43,912
80, 90% of people, this is, if you, if you follow these steps, if you take this path,

633
00:59:43,932 --> 00:59:49,252
if you do these things, it's generally gonna work out. It's generally going to work out pretty well

634
00:59:49,252 --> 00:59:54,892
for you. Um, but yeah, I don't know. It's a, it's a very, very interesting conversation.

635
00:59:55,352 --> 00:59:58,012
Getting back to the 10 commandments and all that. It's like almost like

636
00:59:58,012 --> 01:00:04,832
these books were sort of consensus rules for society to, to proliferate and flourish.

637
01:00:04,832 --> 01:00:10,872
hopefully and like another thing like going back to the subject of like don't wait like there are

638
01:00:10,872 --> 01:00:17,332
these seasons of time uh where you should be doing things and talk about like starting a family

639
01:00:17,332 --> 01:00:22,872
like i think that's one thing that's counterintuitive too and i think society really

640
01:00:22,872 --> 01:00:27,332
pushes the message they push is like when you have kids your life's over

641
01:00:27,332 --> 01:00:30,652
but i've experienced i'm sure you're experiencing it right now there's no

642
01:00:30,652 --> 01:00:35,352
there's nothing more motivating in the world than having a child like people are like you have kids

643
01:00:35,352 --> 01:00:41,012
your life's over it's like no when i had my first son i locked in harder than i've ever locked in on

644
01:00:41,012 --> 01:00:45,492
anything in my life it was like you look at the kid and you're like i gotta go do something and

645
01:00:45,492 --> 01:00:51,472
it's incredibly motivating and i think most people are led to believe that oh your your life's over

646
01:00:51,472 --> 01:00:56,912
but i really want to stress the point like no not only is it not over but you're going to see that

647
01:00:56,912 --> 01:01:03,092
it motivates you and sends you to levels that you didn't even know you could unlock within yourself.

648
01:01:03,612 --> 01:01:08,712
Dude, you just brought a thought to my mind. I think that millennials could be the most

649
01:01:08,712 --> 01:01:13,392
propagandized generation. They really hit us with a lot, whether it was like the,

650
01:01:14,112 --> 01:01:17,832
I was seeing some clips on X the other day of like old episodes of Captain Planet.

651
01:01:20,312 --> 01:01:25,272
There's too many people on the planet. Dude, like even as a kid, I knew it was like,

652
01:01:25,272 --> 01:01:29,312
you know, environmentalism propaganda, but like watching some of it when you're older,

653
01:01:29,332 --> 01:01:34,752
you're just like, geez, like it's so, it's not even subtle. It's like, so on the nose.

654
01:01:35,052 --> 01:01:42,532
It's just like, so anti-human. Um, and I don't know, I, I think with across a lot of levels,

655
01:01:42,532 --> 01:01:47,092
like we just got, we got hit with a lot of propaganda through, through entertainment,

656
01:01:47,092 --> 01:01:57,292
entertainment, music, TV, shows, even like shows that, how would I put it? Even shows that I think

657
01:01:57,292 --> 01:02:01,952
like people would view as quite like innocuous or movies people would think were quite innocuous.

658
01:02:01,952 --> 01:02:06,012
And then you kind of watch them back a little bit older with a more critical eye. And you're like,

659
01:02:06,072 --> 01:02:12,272
man, like the messaging in this is like the messaging in this is not, is not good.

660
01:02:12,272 --> 01:02:21,692
And so I think an opportunity Gen Z has is, again, if their eyes are open and they're paying attention and they're switched on, they can dodge.

661
01:02:22,092 --> 01:02:29,512
They can dodge some of the propaganda, even the like, you know, you must go to university to have any chance of life or to be successful.

662
01:02:30,532 --> 01:02:31,852
It's not true.

663
01:02:32,932 --> 01:02:36,732
I think Gen Z are increasingly seeing like, OK, it's not true.

664
01:02:36,732 --> 01:02:42,472
And I think millennial parents even are like, OK, this isn't saying I'm not anti-university or anything like that.

665
01:02:43,592 --> 01:02:49,832
But the idea that like everyone has to go and like if you don't go, then, you know, you're you're not going to make it or what.

666
01:02:49,912 --> 01:02:51,892
Like it's no, like it's not true.

667
01:02:51,972 --> 01:03:01,172
Like it's it's a good it's a good thing to tell people if you want to get them, you know, if you want to fill the coffers of the universities and give them their billions.

668
01:03:01,732 --> 01:03:05,112
But it's just like, no, that's not that's not correct, man.

669
01:03:05,112 --> 01:03:12,612
we were hit with the freaking food pyramid, like all, all of the, we, we got hit with a lot of

670
01:03:12,612 --> 01:03:16,932
stuff, man. We got hit with a lot. I think Gen Z are going to be like a more, more awake to it,

671
01:03:16,932 --> 01:03:22,052
let alone all the political stuff. No, there's, I mean, food pyramid,

672
01:03:22,532 --> 01:03:30,692
everything was forced on us. And it is, and again, like to stress that point, once you like,

673
01:03:30,692 --> 01:03:36,492
once you have children you begin like reflecting on all this stuff like very you like zone in on

674
01:03:36,492 --> 01:03:41,672
like all right let me do a retrospective of my life and think about how i want my child's life

675
01:03:41,672 --> 01:03:46,752
to go moving forward and you have a lot of these realizations like holy crap most of this stuff

676
01:03:46,752 --> 01:03:54,372
maybe it's maybe it's not not completely true but there's a lot of like slop in it that that we were

677
01:03:54,372 --> 01:04:00,232
fed and led to believe and the Malthusians certainly, uh, certainly won the first half

678
01:04:00,232 --> 01:04:04,532
of the game of our lives, but I am making it a point to make sure they didn't win in

679
01:04:04,532 --> 01:04:07,772
the second half of our lives for our generation.

680
01:04:07,772 --> 01:04:12,432
And again, really want to stress that point to any Gen Zers listening to this, like look

681
01:04:12,432 --> 01:04:15,672
up to millennials, look forward, the generation above you.

682
01:04:15,912 --> 01:04:16,932
It is objective.

683
01:04:17,292 --> 01:04:23,912
There are people who succumb to that propaganda and sort of live their life.

684
01:04:24,372 --> 01:04:28,752
via the rules that the propaganda set up for them and they regret it massively.

685
01:04:29,092 --> 01:04:32,092
And you have the opportunity to skirt that right now.

686
01:04:32,712 --> 01:04:37,132
Yeah, that's right. You know, learn from others. Don't feel like you have to make all the same mistakes.

687
01:04:37,912 --> 01:04:43,992
Yeah. And last point to touch on. I think it's another I think all 12 points are very important.

688
01:04:43,992 --> 01:04:51,512
But this one hit close to home for me, because I think in my early 20s, particularly, I didn't live by this tenant.

689
01:04:51,512 --> 01:05:03,732
But take yourself seriously is is very important to have confidence, to believe that you're competent and to exude that, to dress nice, to clean up, to be in shape.

690
01:05:04,132 --> 01:05:05,092
Very important.

691
01:05:06,232 --> 01:05:06,792
Yeah, absolutely.

692
01:05:06,992 --> 01:05:07,612
You know, right.

693
01:05:07,692 --> 01:05:12,992
Rightly or wrongly, humans actually are a very judgmental species.

694
01:05:13,692 --> 01:05:20,572
And we see patterns and we make assumptions and everybody has their biases, even if we try not to.

695
01:05:20,572 --> 01:05:36,952
And one of the most basic ones is, you know, human beings are pretty, we're very reciprocal and we make connections in our brains based on how people present themselves both physically and in terms of their behavior.

696
01:05:37,352 --> 01:05:44,252
Like if you think of it, okay, if someone's going for a job interview, why do you get a haircut and dress nice, right?

697
01:05:44,252 --> 01:05:47,912
If you're someone's going on a first date, like, why do you care about what you look?

698
01:05:47,972 --> 01:05:50,752
It's because you people say, you know, you want to make a good impression.

699
01:05:51,452 --> 01:05:55,432
And someone might be like, oh, well, you know, that's silly, that's superficial, blah, blah, blah.

700
01:05:56,552 --> 01:05:58,952
OK, like you can think that, but it's just true.

701
01:05:59,692 --> 01:06:03,612
And everybody does it, even the people who like want to pretend that they don't.

702
01:06:03,612 --> 01:06:05,672
Like we all we all do it to a degree.

703
01:06:06,152 --> 01:06:08,252
So it's just about showing up in the world.

704
01:06:08,252 --> 01:06:13,232
And, you know, in terms of your behavior, in terms of your body language, in terms of your presentation.

705
01:06:14,252 --> 01:06:20,732
you know, just take yourself a little bit seriously. Like it's not, and I think even

706
01:06:20,732 --> 01:06:24,472
now more than ever, it'll make you stand out because so many people just don't.

707
01:06:25,412 --> 01:06:29,152
Like so many people don't. I mean, go to an airport, like in any city in the US,

708
01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:34,332
you'll see people in there in their freaking pajamas and flip-flops and just like, just looking,

709
01:06:34,592 --> 01:06:39,392
looking messy. Like you see stuff from decades ago and like people just look better. People

710
01:06:39,392 --> 01:06:44,852
presented better. People took themselves more, more seriously. So if you do buck that trend,

711
01:06:44,852 --> 01:06:50,612
um, then it's, it's an easy way to, it's an easy way to stand out. And when I see someone who does

712
01:06:50,612 --> 01:06:55,392
that and who clearly respects themselves, you're more likely to, to respect them as well. Cause

713
01:06:55,392 --> 01:07:01,592
it's just like, okay, this person takes himself seriously. So, so will I, this doesn't mean don't

714
01:07:01,592 --> 01:07:06,192
have fun. This doesn't mean, um, don't enjoy your life. This doesn't mean you have to wear like a

715
01:07:06,192 --> 01:07:11,412
three piece suit everywhere. That's, that's not the point, but just, um, but yeah, just, just,

716
01:07:11,592 --> 01:07:16,052
just, just be serious about it. Like people have all these ideas of things they want to achieve

717
01:07:16,052 --> 01:07:19,912
and their goals and their aspirations, and they want to do this and they want to do that. And it's

718
01:07:19,912 --> 01:07:25,652
like, okay, like believe you're the person who can do this and present yourself like the type

719
01:07:25,652 --> 01:07:32,572
of person who could achieve this thing, whatever it is. If you're saying you, even, even like, um,

720
01:07:32,572 --> 01:07:36,612
young people who are like, Hey, I want to be a, I want to be a YouTuber.

721
01:07:37,892 --> 01:07:42,472
And look, there'll be some older people who like dismiss that. I'm like, no, okay. I don't dismiss

722
01:07:42,472 --> 01:07:48,432
that. But like, okay, take it seriously. Right? Like, look at the, look at the YouTubers that you

723
01:07:48,432 --> 01:07:53,052
admire and look up to. I assure you they are taking it like seriously. You might, you might

724
01:07:53,052 --> 01:07:57,692
not see it in the sort of immediate presentation, but if you, if you know what's going on in the

725
01:07:57,692 --> 01:08:01,912
background and you're looking at their teams and how they're handling their finances and setting up

726
01:08:01,912 --> 01:08:07,472
their scripts and their videos and like, boy, that's a whole operation. Like they take it very,

727
01:08:07,672 --> 01:08:11,992
very seriously. So if that's your aspiration, take it seriously. If you're saying, Hey, I want to be

728
01:08:11,992 --> 01:08:17,592
a, I don't know. I want to be an NBA basketball player. It's like, okay, bro. Like you'd better

729
01:08:17,592 --> 01:08:22,252
take that seriously. Like you're not going to reach that level just by like messing around and,

730
01:08:22,332 --> 01:08:26,872
you know, shooting some hoops here and there. Like you got to be in the gym daily. You got to be on

731
01:08:26,872 --> 01:08:30,892
the court. You got to be putting in, I don't know how many hours a day. I don't know how many dozens

732
01:08:30,892 --> 01:08:35,852
of hours a week, but like, you got to take it, you got to take it seriously. So that's, that,

733
01:08:35,972 --> 01:08:40,652
that's all that point is. And I'd also just add to it that it's important for young people to

734
01:08:40,652 --> 01:08:46,152
realize that these things compound. So look, if you're in your like thirties or even in your forties

735
01:08:46,152 --> 01:08:51,372
or fifties, and you don't feel like you've quote unquote made it yet, it's that's okay. It doesn't

736
01:08:51,372 --> 01:08:55,232
mean like your, your life is over or something, but if you make good decisions in your twenties,

737
01:08:55,232 --> 01:09:01,212
it makes your 30s easier. If you make good decisions in your 30s, it's going to make your

738
01:09:01,212 --> 01:09:06,912
40s easier and so on and so forth. So the earlier you do some of these things and the earlier you

739
01:09:06,912 --> 01:09:11,332
can like lock in certain habits, like something I'm so happy about is that I started going to the

740
01:09:11,332 --> 01:09:16,352
gym when I was 15. So like going to the gym for me is like, it requires the same level of motivation

741
01:09:16,352 --> 01:09:20,072
as showering and brushing my teeth. Some people are like, Oh, how do you stay motivated? I'm like,

742
01:09:20,172 --> 01:09:24,192
it's not even motivation. It's just like a, it's just a habit. Like I can't, it's just,

743
01:09:24,192 --> 01:09:30,132
it's just what I do. And can you build that habit in your 30s if you haven't already? Yeah,

744
01:09:30,212 --> 01:09:34,632
absolutely. But the earlier you do some of these things, the easier it is. We're both in the

745
01:09:34,632 --> 01:09:40,772
Bitcoin world. The earlier you, the earlier you learn about it and you start, you know,

746
01:09:41,772 --> 01:09:46,392
buying some sats, then the better off you'll be. Yeah, you can wait another five years. You can

747
01:09:46,392 --> 01:09:50,952
wait another 10 years. You can wait 15 years. It doesn't mean the door's totally closed. But

748
01:09:50,952 --> 01:09:55,872
if you wait that long, you'll be thinking, man, five years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago,

749
01:09:55,972 --> 01:10:00,412
I wish I, uh, I wish I made these moves. So I encourage people make those moves now.

750
01:10:01,312 --> 01:10:07,812
Yeah. And consistency is key. Like you said, the gym, that's like one of the best things

751
01:10:07,812 --> 01:10:12,912
my father ever did for me. And my brother was get us a bench set when I was 13 and just put it in

752
01:10:12,912 --> 01:10:18,472
our basement and started lifting. That's another form of propaganda that's been thrown out. You

753
01:10:18,472 --> 01:10:24,572
can't have your kids start lifting too early it's like no okay start early start often but like yeah

754
01:10:24,572 --> 01:10:29,192
working out for me is it's like muscle memory it's like dude i'll tell you one of the biggest

755
01:10:29,192 --> 01:10:33,352
i'll tell you one of the biggest pieces of propaganda and it was pushed in it was so subtle

756
01:10:33,352 --> 01:10:39,232
but like the idea that um lifting weights or being like strong and muscular is somehow like

757
01:10:39,232 --> 01:10:46,672
inversely correlated with intelligence or even kindness for that matter right like how many shows

758
01:10:46,672 --> 01:10:56,552
or cartoons. Yeah. Like the job, the job is the bully. He's mean, he's dumb. Um, so, you know,

759
01:10:56,572 --> 01:11:03,832
you can be like skinny and physically weak and smart, or you can be, you can be physically strong

760
01:11:03,832 --> 01:11:08,592
and muscular, but then you're going to be like dumb or something. That's another like serious

761
01:11:08,592 --> 01:11:13,372
propaganda that we, that we got hit with. Um, I think for the, I think for girls, it's like,

762
01:11:13,372 --> 01:11:17,712
you know, if you're, if you're pretty or good looking, then, you know, you're a B-I-T-C-H.

763
01:11:17,712 --> 01:11:18,232
You're dumb blonde.

764
01:11:18,512 --> 01:11:18,692
Yeah.

765
01:11:20,552 --> 01:11:24,872
And then like, you know, if you, if you're, you know, nerdy and less attractive, then you're

766
01:11:24,872 --> 01:11:25,412
somehow smarter.

767
01:11:25,912 --> 01:11:26,752
I don't know, man.

768
01:11:26,812 --> 01:11:31,472
They, they, they hit us with a lot of psyops over the years, but it's quite fascinating

769
01:11:31,472 --> 01:11:33,932
to see them for what they are.

770
01:11:34,032 --> 01:11:37,072
And yeah, man, bro, I, I'm, I'm optimistic about Gen Z.

771
01:11:37,312 --> 01:11:38,572
I'm optimistic about Gen Z.

772
01:11:38,572 --> 01:11:52,312
The type of person who at least has the, what's the right word, curiosity or motivation to even look into and follow the type of stuff we're talking about.

773
01:11:52,452 --> 01:11:54,872
Just that alone, I'm optimistic for them.

774
01:11:54,872 --> 01:12:03,492
The people who are even kind of like seeking this stuff out, that in itself to me is massively, it makes me massively optimistic.

775
01:12:03,492 --> 01:12:08,392
because if you're even seeking out this kind of knowledge and these types of perspectives,

776
01:12:08,392 --> 01:12:11,132
then I think you're light years ahead of the game.

777
01:12:12,792 --> 01:12:14,072
Yeah, I completely agree.

778
01:12:14,212 --> 01:12:16,632
And I want to thank you for writing the piece.

779
01:12:16,632 --> 01:12:24,092
It's weird how God, the universe works because I've been like on this tip for like four months now

780
01:12:24,092 --> 01:12:28,852
because it really stemmed from looking at our YouTube and podcasting demographics

781
01:12:28,852 --> 01:12:34,972
and noticing that our core demographics, like millennials and Gen X.

782
01:12:35,392 --> 01:12:36,652
And I was like, what are the Zoomers?

783
01:12:36,732 --> 01:12:41,132
So we did a series on the weekly show that I do where we brought in a bunch of Zoomers

784
01:12:41,132 --> 01:12:42,412
to get the perspective on Bitcoin.

785
01:12:42,412 --> 01:12:46,912
And it really unlocked a perspective for me.

786
01:12:47,812 --> 01:12:52,752
But I don't want to seem like the paternalistic worrier,

787
01:12:52,752 --> 01:13:04,112
But I do think like there is sort of like a knowledge transfer to be had between millennials and Gen Z about like the mistakes they can avoid that we saw many people in our generation make.

788
01:13:04,112 --> 01:13:21,052
And I think your piece is an incredibly quick read, straight to the point and like a good sort of framework for anybody looking to sort of improve themselves and get off on the right foot to start with and then stem out from there.

789
01:13:21,952 --> 01:13:22,532
Yeah, thank you, Marty.

790
01:13:22,752 --> 01:13:40,952
I'll tell you, I'll say one more thing about this. And look, I think guys around our age, like we're the best people positioned to do this in some ways, because we're only one generation older, right? Like we're, we're 15 to, I don't know, 10 to 20 years older, right?

791
01:13:40,952 --> 01:13:54,272
We're not like so far removed that we grew up in like a totally different world or like everything was like so different or we can't even remember what it was like to be in our 20s or anything like that.

792
01:13:54,272 --> 01:14:03,792
Like, I think it can be hard for a 20 year old man to sort of take advice from a guy who's in his 50s, 60s, 70s sometimes because they're just like, you don't you don't get it.

793
01:14:03,972 --> 01:14:04,652
Like, you don't get it.

794
01:14:04,692 --> 01:14:09,712
Like, you're you're too, you know, when I was born, you are already like 45.

795
01:14:09,712 --> 01:14:14,892
like you don't get it like all the technological changes all the cultural changes I think with

796
01:14:14,892 --> 01:14:22,652
millennials like we mostly we heavily overlap with Generation Z so we can like relate to

797
01:14:22,652 --> 01:14:29,992
a lot of what they're talking about and we're not so much like visibly and emotionally older

798
01:14:29,992 --> 01:14:35,112
that they're just like oh yeah those are just like old guys talking about old guy stuff like

799
01:14:35,112 --> 01:14:39,552
they can look at us and be like oh yeah like yeah like I'll listen to that guy like he's not

800
01:14:39,552 --> 01:14:43,892
Like he gets me, you know, he gets me and he's not, uh, yeah.

801
01:14:44,132 --> 01:14:48,612
So, so I, so I think, um, should we, should we choose to accept it?

802
01:14:48,832 --> 01:14:54,492
I think, um, some of us millennials can make some pretty good headway here in terms of,

803
01:14:54,572 --> 01:14:59,892
uh, trying to not in a overly paternalistic way, like you said, but, you know, just trying

804
01:14:59,892 --> 01:15:08,392
to offer genuine help and guidance for the guys who are 10, 15, you know, 10, 15 years

805
01:15:08,392 --> 01:15:09,112
younger than us.

806
01:15:09,552 --> 01:15:32,572
Yeah, completely agree. And again, thank you for writing it. Thank you for coming on discussing it. We can't wait three years to do another podcast. I feel like we should do this within the next year because it's incredibly thought provoking conversation. And I love talking to you. So thank you for writing. Thank you for coming on. You're crushing it.

807
01:15:33,212 --> 01:15:38,752
Nice one, man. Thank you so much. And congrats on congrats on number three on the way. How much longer to go?

808
01:15:39,552 --> 01:15:47,192
uh, a little over a month. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, amazing, man. Amazing. Yeah. It's,

809
01:15:47,292 --> 01:15:52,092
uh, it's imminent. We're in, we're in the nesting phase. So I love it, man. Well,

810
01:15:52,252 --> 01:15:56,132
God, God bless you and your family, man. I hope, uh, everything goes smoothly with that.

811
01:15:56,692 --> 01:16:01,592
Well, you as well. God bless you. Congrats on your first, uh, like I said,

812
01:16:02,052 --> 01:16:06,712
you're going to, you're going to quickly begin to realize how fast time moves because

813
01:16:06,712 --> 01:16:10,872
your children make it very, very obvious. And, uh,

814
01:16:10,872 --> 01:16:17,112
I see a man. My, my, my oldest niece just turned 19, man. So I feel it already.

815
01:16:18,312 --> 01:16:22,432
Yeah. Hey, anybody listening? That's the other thing. Another side.

816
01:16:22,752 --> 01:16:24,492
And we, we talked to you on a little bit, but like,

817
01:16:24,532 --> 01:16:26,552
don't succumb to the weight to have kids.

818
01:16:26,732 --> 01:16:31,732
You have that energy in your twenties and your early thirties. I like now that

819
01:16:31,732 --> 01:16:33,872
we're at our third, I'm like, God, I wish I started a little bit earlier,

820
01:16:33,872 --> 01:16:35,152
but we don't have to belabor it.

821
01:16:36,212 --> 01:16:37,612
It's Friday night where you are,

822
01:16:38,072 --> 01:16:38,352
Zuby.

823
01:16:38,692 --> 01:16:40,092
I hope you enjoy it with your family.

824
01:16:40,752 --> 01:16:41,632
And like I said,

825
01:16:41,752 --> 01:16:42,912
we should do this again at some point,

826
01:16:43,212 --> 01:16:44,472
not three years from now,

827
01:16:44,552 --> 01:16:46,032
but some point earlier than that.

828
01:16:46,712 --> 01:16:46,852
No doubt,

829
01:16:46,932 --> 01:16:47,072
Marty.

830
01:16:47,192 --> 01:16:48,652
Look forward to seeing you again in person sometime.

831
01:16:49,512 --> 01:16:49,832
Definitely.

832
01:16:50,292 --> 01:16:50,652
Peace and love,

833
01:16:50,732 --> 01:16:50,912
freaks.

834
01:16:52,192 --> 01:16:52,552
Freaks,

835
01:16:52,592 --> 01:16:53,532
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836
01:16:53,632 --> 01:16:54,332
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843
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844
01:17:01,392 --> 01:17:03,632
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845
01:17:03,632 --> 01:17:09,692
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850
01:17:17,812 --> 01:17:20,072
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861
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862
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863
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864
01:18:00,032 --> 01:18:01,992
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865
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