1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Welcome to a special episode of the Healthy Bit podcast. Today we're thrilled to have our first 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:19,460 ever guest, cricket legend Tim Bresnan. From playing for Yorkshire at 16 and winning two 3 00:00:19,460 --> 00:00:26,160 Ashes series and England's first T20 World Cup, Tim's career is packed with highlights. 4 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:33,740 23 test matches, over 7,000 first-class runs and 575 wickets. 5 00:00:34,540 --> 00:00:39,740 Join us today as we dive into Tim's journey and his approach to staying fit 6 00:00:39,740 --> 00:00:43,620 and how elite athletes transition to life off the field. 7 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Tim, welcome to the show. Let's start with what got you first into cricket. 8 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,700 Yeah, good question. Thanks for having me on, by the way. 9 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,080 Looking forward to getting into the conversation. 10 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,720 What first got me into cricket? I guess 11 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,200 the fact that 12 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,100 my dad played at local club 13 00:01:02,100 --> 00:01:04,280 cricket. Most of my 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,600 uncles played at the same club. 15 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:08,060 As kids, me and my brother used to play 16 00:01:08,060 --> 00:01:10,200 against, we'd play for the 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,260 club, but also every Saturday we'd 18 00:01:12,260 --> 00:01:14,200 be around the 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,540 back in the little corner just 20 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:17,640 playing with 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,660 a tennis ball and a bat 22 00:01:19,660 --> 00:01:21,440 as kids do and 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,140 set stumps. I absolutely 24 00:01:24,140 --> 00:01:25,300 loved it. I used to 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,840 and look forward to every weekend where we could just go and play cricket all day. 26 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,880 In the summer anyway. I think myself and my brother actually we weren't better than all the 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:43,520 other kids. It was a little bit obvious. Yeah we were both sort of drafted into the Yorkshire 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:53,680 school system quite early. I was like seven and Nick was um, maybe nine. So we were seven and nine 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,200 and I actually played Yorkshire under-11s when I was seven years old. 30 00:01:58,860 --> 00:02:00,380 It was tiny as well. 31 00:02:01,940 --> 00:02:04,100 But yeah, we just went all the way through the ranks, 32 00:02:04,340 --> 00:02:08,340 and then Nick had a really bad injury at 15, 33 00:02:09,860 --> 00:02:15,700 which kind of just halted his career and put a full stop on it, 34 00:02:15,780 --> 00:02:16,940 which was really, really sad. 35 00:02:18,980 --> 00:02:22,460 I'm sure it would have been a bit like the Curran brothers 36 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,080 I was actually quite lucky until the one that got me, 37 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:29,480 until the one that ended really my career, I guess. 38 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,780 Obviously, you have like little niggles, 39 00:02:32,060 --> 00:02:34,680 and as a fast bowler, you get the old broken finger 40 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,880 and the old big bruise, but nothing really serious. 41 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,280 I had a couple of stress fractures in my back, 42 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,820 but they were just seen as kind of part and parcel, 43 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,860 occupational hazards kind of thing. 44 00:02:48,860 --> 00:02:53,040 But yeah, I had a really bad elbow injury, 45 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,320 which I needed five surgeries. 46 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,040 Oh, wow. 47 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:58,580 So, yeah, that's the one. 48 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:01,520 And is that fully recovered now? 49 00:03:02,980 --> 00:03:04,460 I don't think it ever will be. 50 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,360 I mean, I played for a little bit longer after. 51 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:13,060 So this was maybe 2017, 18. 52 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,520 No, 15, 16, something around there. 53 00:03:18,460 --> 00:03:22,760 So I dove on a wicket and I smashed a little corner 54 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:28,940 of my, so I had a bone spare on the, if you're a physio, you might know this, on the end 55 00:03:28,940 --> 00:03:36,040 of that one, a little bone spare on the, yeah, and the olecranon spare I had, that's exactly 56 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:42,260 it, and I smashed it off and it was floating around and they went in to get it, but by 57 00:03:42,260 --> 00:03:49,440 the time they did it, it was embedded in the tendon, so they had to, well, do you know 58 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,360 It was a comedy of errors, I think, was the surgery. 59 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:58,300 So the first time the radiographer wanted to put a wire in to follow, 60 00:03:58,620 --> 00:04:02,920 so the surgeon could follow the wire down and put the under ultrasound, 61 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,920 the lady thought that it was a calcified tendon, 62 00:04:06,060 --> 00:04:09,840 so tried to push the wire through the bone. 63 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,220 And we were like, no, no, no, trust us, it's bone. 64 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:13,540 Trust us, please, it's bone. 65 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,640 She was trying to jab it through this needle, 66 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,360 and it slipped off the side and just went straight into my joint capsule, 67 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:22,080 this wire. 68 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,500 I was just like, I'm a bit queasy. 69 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,800 And then, yeah, that ruined my joint capsule at the same time. 70 00:04:28,980 --> 00:04:29,420 I was running away. 71 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:31,040 So that had a leak. 72 00:04:31,460 --> 00:04:36,480 And then it was like I had loads of bursitis and all that afterwards. 73 00:04:37,260 --> 00:04:38,700 It just didn't go very well. 74 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:40,640 It's going to make you relive it. 75 00:04:41,420 --> 00:04:41,700 Yeah. 76 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:44,300 Getting up really bad. 77 00:04:44,660 --> 00:04:46,180 This is kind of cathartic. 78 00:04:46,180 --> 00:04:54,140 yeah yeah therapy system so my my observation with cricket is obviously it's a team sport 79 00:04:54,140 --> 00:04:59,200 but you've got different roles within the team and and you know having watched a little bit i 80 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:04,680 played a very very minor amount when i was 14 wasn't very good um you've obviously got certain 81 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,900 positions that do a lot of physical you know whether that's you know you think of the fast 82 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:14,120 bowler kind of like running in you know over after over you know all that kind of pressure 83 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,280 onto that front foot 84 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:15,920 and, you know, 85 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:16,640 and through the arm 86 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:17,020 and whatnot. 87 00:05:17,460 --> 00:05:18,400 And then maybe 88 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:19,700 the wicketkeeper 89 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:20,520 or, you know, 90 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:21,480 someone who stands at slip 91 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,160 doesn't do a huge amount 92 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:23,620 of exercise. 93 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,740 So was there, 94 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:25,760 when you think of like 95 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,140 football, 96 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:27,000 like everyone's, 97 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:27,340 you know, 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:27,680 rugby, 99 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,340 everyone's kind of 100 00:05:28,340 --> 00:05:29,420 got to be physically fit. 101 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:30,480 Whereas with cricket, 102 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:31,800 you could probably get away 103 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:32,600 in certain positions 104 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,780 not being so fit. 105 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:34,720 But then as a fast bowler, 106 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,120 probably you need to be 107 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:36,440 a bit healthy. 108 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:37,040 Is that, 109 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:38,060 have I got that right 110 00:05:38,060 --> 00:05:39,240 or is that kind of... 111 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,260 Yeah, 112 00:05:40,420 --> 00:05:40,860 I think 113 00:05:40,860 --> 00:05:43,240 there's certain elements 114 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:43,520 of that. 115 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:43,680 I mean, 116 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:49,060 The difference between rugby is 80 minutes and football is 90 minutes. 117 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,020 Because, you know, I play a test match, it's five days. 118 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:54,020 Yeah. 119 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,640 But it's a marathon. 120 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,740 It really is like a marathon, not a sprint. 121 00:05:59,620 --> 00:05:59,880 Yeah. 122 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:06,540 So, yeah, you kind of need the longevity rather than the off the line speed 123 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:08,020 and pace, really. 124 00:06:08,020 --> 00:06:11,520 As a fast bowler, you just need to be able to keep going until they roll out, 125 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,460 which could sometimes 126 00:06:12,460 --> 00:06:14,220 two days sometimes 127 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:15,680 it took two hours. 128 00:06:17,020 --> 00:06:18,180 Would that get easier 129 00:06:18,180 --> 00:06:19,120 as the day goes on 130 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:19,800 or was it kind of like 131 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:20,680 the first few overs 132 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:21,220 are quite hard 133 00:06:21,220 --> 00:06:21,680 and then you kind of 134 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,320 warm into it 135 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,260 and then you get into your rhythm 136 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:24,720 and then the last 137 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,040 your captain is making 138 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:26,940 your bowl again and again 139 00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:27,480 and you're just 140 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:28,620 you've got nothing left 141 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:29,000 in the tank 142 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:29,620 but you've just got to 143 00:06:29,620 --> 00:06:30,140 keep delivering. 144 00:06:30,940 --> 00:06:31,820 Yeah, it's tough 145 00:06:31,820 --> 00:06:32,660 after tea time. 146 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,840 So you've already 147 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:35,480 bowled about 148 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,300 15, 20 overs by then 149 00:06:37,300 --> 00:06:38,440 and then you get 150 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,080 asked to come back 151 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:40,540 after tea 152 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:41,280 and it's just like 153 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,880 That's when the spinners should be boring. 154 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:46,100 When you say tea time, I think of it as like, you know, 155 00:06:46,180 --> 00:06:48,980 a cup of tea and a few sandwiches and a bit of cake 156 00:06:48,980 --> 00:06:51,260 and probably I'd quite like a nap afterwards. 157 00:06:51,540 --> 00:06:52,440 That's tea time, yeah? 158 00:06:53,340 --> 00:06:53,780 Yeah, yeah. 159 00:06:54,340 --> 00:06:55,380 Scones, I think it is. 160 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,800 Nothing wants you to go more for a nap than a, you know, scone. 161 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,540 On a nice, hot, sunny day, you'd go lie in a hammock afterwards, wouldn't you? 162 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,120 Did you struggle with fatigue and you think, I've got to keep going? 163 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,180 So what kind of ignites you to go, right, I need to keep pushing on? 164 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,940 I think that sort of team, the team element of it. 165 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:20,080 You know, you didn't want to let your teammates down. 166 00:07:20,380 --> 00:07:23,280 You were doing the job for the team and, you know, 167 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,080 ultimately that was driving the bigger machine. 168 00:07:28,420 --> 00:07:29,400 I was just a little clogging. 169 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:34,680 Perhaps not in detail about particular psychology issues, 170 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,940 but just in terms of what support is available to you. 171 00:07:37,940 --> 00:07:41,580 Yeah, there's a psychologist that travels with pretty much every team now. 172 00:07:42,020 --> 00:07:48,060 Sports psychologist or there'll be, you know, different people that dip in and out. 173 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:52,240 So the psychologist will be there pretty much exclusively. 174 00:07:52,700 --> 00:08:03,900 And then there'll be maybe people that come in like counselors or life coaches or, you know, all sorts of support that you can, probably too much in my opinion. 175 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:09,400 so you know gets a bit confusing at times but yeah we were spotted really well with 176 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:15,120 with all that stuff found it really interesting like just chatting to the sports side it's like 177 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:21,080 well they're trying to get a read on what what you like and how you feel and stuff like that 178 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:28,640 yeah do they kind of down into um your kind goals and kind of bring out something that they know 179 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,600 you're passionate about to kind of use that to to kind of drive you or i think as a team 180 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,500 you certainly do you go through you know like goal setting seminars and all that sort of stuff 181 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:45,400 and have big you know get big butcher's papers out and have a brainstorm and 182 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,600 but I just like didn't really didn't really resonate with me yeah I just think if I do my 183 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,360 job to the best of my ability and the next person does their job to the best of their ability then 184 00:08:54,360 --> 00:09:01,240 we'll win as simple as that um and we went we actually went through a period where we did that 185 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,100 really, really well. 186 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,420 You know, everyone knew their role. 187 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:05,460 Everyone performed it to the best of their ability 188 00:09:05,460 --> 00:09:06,800 and we won pretty much everything. 189 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:07,720 And that's it. 190 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,860 I think sometimes it's a... 191 00:09:09,860 --> 00:09:11,080 Most games are pretty simple. 192 00:09:11,540 --> 00:09:12,760 England's setup's a little bit different 193 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,180 to the Yorkshire setup. 194 00:09:14,420 --> 00:09:15,900 So, or Warwickshire. 195 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:20,480 When you're sort of in a pre-season with Yorkshire, 196 00:09:20,580 --> 00:09:21,660 you're all in together. 197 00:09:21,980 --> 00:09:23,280 You know, they like to keep an eye on you 198 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,340 and make sure you're doing the right things 199 00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:26,820 and, you know, the programs. 200 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:31,100 Like, strength and conditioning is, like, paramount. 201 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:37,480 for between sort of now, end of October and end of March. 202 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:40,160 Basically all we do. 203 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:43,240 You know, an odd person who's trying to make a technical change 204 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,220 might, you know, start doing cricket skills before March, 205 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,900 but I don't really see much point in doing anything before Christmas, certainly. 206 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,940 Just give your body a complete break. 207 00:09:54,940 --> 00:10:03,760 do you like walk into a gym and like what kind of equipment would you head towards or what would 208 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,020 you go what in your head what would you sort of kind of go would you go i'm going to focus on my 209 00:10:08,020 --> 00:10:13,320 elbows today my shoulders today or would you be more kind of holistic with how you trained yeah 210 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:23,120 probably i think the younger guys are more drawn to the squat rack either the squat rack or the 211 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,240 the deadlift or the Olympic bar, let's just say that, 212 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,700 doing all sorts of different exercises. 213 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,020 I mean, there's strong boys now. 214 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:33,440 Like, they're powerful. 215 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:34,620 They're hitting it a long way. 216 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,920 They're bowling it fast for longer. 217 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,900 You know, they've taken it up a notch since I retired even. 218 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:43,260 But then there's all sorts of other stuff. 219 00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:47,840 You know, you get your little shoulder muscles that are good for throwing 220 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,140 that you can only really get to with an elastic band on the wall 221 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:53,580 and all sorts of little stuff. 222 00:10:53,820 --> 00:10:56,400 And was there a lot of tuition, you know, 223 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,740 of what exercises you needed to work on 224 00:10:58,740 --> 00:11:01,360 or was it very much like you knew your own body 225 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,980 and, you know, what you had to work on? 226 00:11:02,980 --> 00:11:06,000 No, I mean, as long as, like, through your, 227 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,840 when you're in the gym, you're actually, 228 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,460 without realising it, you're gaining an education. 229 00:11:11,460 --> 00:11:13,680 You know, when the physios are coming around and, 230 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:17,480 you know, saying or writing stuff into your programmes 231 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,120 that, you know, where you've been weak 232 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,740 or we'll do a full physio screening. 233 00:11:24,380 --> 00:11:25,360 This is where you're strong. 234 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,200 This is where you're weak. 235 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,400 This is what you need to improve. 236 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,280 And then they write up the program from there. 237 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:34,680 I'm glad you embraced the TheraBands or the Resistance Bands 238 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:38,980 because patients will say, you need to work on these stability muscles, 239 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,080 rotator cuff muscles, as you described there, Tim. 240 00:11:42,860 --> 00:11:43,160 Yeah. 241 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:50,420 I think they're actually more important than the beach guns, 242 00:11:50,420 --> 00:11:51,120 I reckon. 243 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:59,940 No, yeah, we dedicated more time to the sort of little stability muscles, 244 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,440 especially around the core, around your back and your trunk 245 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,400 and the little stabilizing muscles that do a lot of the heavy lifting 246 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,140 when you're doing a dynamic movement. 247 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:20,060 We dedicated, I'd say, at least 65% to those ones than we did 248 00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:21,380 you know, the beach weights. 249 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:22,060 Is that kind of, 250 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:24,120 is that like Pilates moves and stuff? 251 00:12:24,940 --> 00:12:25,720 Yeah, Pilates. 252 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:27,520 What else do we do? 253 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,440 We've got yoga, 254 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:32,660 but that's more for stretching than strength. 255 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:38,520 Yeah, I guess the plyo is just the speed of movement, really. 256 00:12:38,780 --> 00:12:39,880 The fast explosive. 257 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,280 I said that cricketers don't really need the fast explosive things, 258 00:12:44,460 --> 00:12:49,160 but I guess, you know, they do. 259 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:54,140 using over a really very short frame of time 260 00:12:54,140 --> 00:12:59,380 as like 0.2 of a second when you'd need that. 261 00:13:00,020 --> 00:13:01,960 I used to do a lot of biking as well, 262 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,640 just for the grind and keep the weight off my ankles and knees 263 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,640 because they took a pound during the summer. 264 00:13:12,780 --> 00:13:15,200 In the winter, we'd do a lot of biking or cross-training 265 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,180 or not even running, rowing. 266 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:21,580 We've got some good hills in Yorkshire to ride around. 267 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:23,300 Yes, we do. 268 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,020 I really enjoyed it for the time when I was doing it. 269 00:13:29,060 --> 00:13:31,760 Like I said, just sort of time off your feet, 270 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:35,760 but still giving your fitness beans going and losing weight as well, 271 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,780 which was a constant battle for me. 272 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,520 But yeah, no, I really, really enjoyed it. 273 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:42,240 Got some massive hills in and around Yorkshire. 274 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:44,860 Obviously, we have the Tory Yorkshire, 275 00:13:44,860 --> 00:13:45,640 and then we have the 276 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:46,820 window tour de France 277 00:13:46,820 --> 00:13:47,460 come through here 278 00:13:47,460 --> 00:13:48,940 at one point as well. 279 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:50,360 The thing I loved 280 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,040 when I watched that 281 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:51,660 was that they 282 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:52,620 obviously in France 283 00:13:52,620 --> 00:13:53,000 they've got these 284 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,340 lovely sweeping hills 285 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:55,760 that wind themselves 286 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,200 up the Alps 287 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:57,700 or you know 288 00:13:57,700 --> 00:13:58,160 the Pyrenees 289 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,120 and then in Yorkshire 290 00:13:59,120 --> 00:13:59,920 they just go straight 291 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:00,380 up the hill. 292 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:01,980 Yeah straight up the hill. 293 00:14:02,460 --> 00:14:03,240 No messing around. 294 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,220 No messing around. 295 00:14:05,540 --> 00:14:05,860 Yeah yeah. 296 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,180 And I guess 297 00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:09,000 with cycling 298 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,220 you know it's that kind of 299 00:14:10,220 --> 00:14:10,940 you talked about 300 00:14:10,940 --> 00:14:12,160 cricket being like 301 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,180 a marathon not a sprint 302 00:14:13,180 --> 00:14:14,160 and actually you know 303 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:14,820 if you go on a 304 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:20,980 you know, multiple bike rides is, yeah, it's that kind of sustained endurance rather than kind of, 305 00:14:20,980 --> 00:14:25,780 you know, a quick race, isn't it? So yeah, I can see how that'd be nice. And also, it's a good time 306 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:31,060 to just, I like cycling. I use it for commuting to work occasionally. It's nice for thinking about 307 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:39,080 stuff. All the conversations I wish I'd had two weeks later, I can replay them. I'll do a better 308 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,740 version in my mind. Yeah, all the things you wish you had a second in the heat of the moment. 309 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:46,100 Yeah, totally, totally. 310 00:14:46,340 --> 00:14:50,660 And what I'm interested in is obviously from a kind of elite athlete 311 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:56,100 and then now retired, have you kept lots of those good practices? 312 00:14:56,500 --> 00:15:00,320 The whole premise of this show is about how you can kind of like stack good habits 313 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,560 to like have a healthier life. 314 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,260 And I guess, you know, you possibly had an unfair advantage 315 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:13,540 that you've had access to, you know, great equipment and motivational people 316 00:15:13,540 --> 00:15:16,560 and physios and all the care package. 317 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,180 Now you're on the back end of it. 318 00:15:18,380 --> 00:15:22,060 Have you kind of, are things better or things slipped? 319 00:15:22,860 --> 00:15:25,620 When I retired, I did slip 320 00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:29,620 simply because I never wanted to see the inside of a gym again. 321 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:34,760 Then I was like, oh, I'm looking a bit big. 322 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,040 I need to do something. 323 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,100 So I started running. 324 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:41,040 And then obviously the first thing that comes 325 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,600 after you start running is a calf. 326 00:15:43,540 --> 00:15:44,540 I forgot I wasn't 23. 327 00:15:44,540 --> 00:15:45,540 Yeah. 328 00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:50,540 Run at 21 kilometers per hour on the treadmill, 38 or whatever. 329 00:15:50,540 --> 00:15:57,540 So yeah, just that constant battle between like nutrition and exercise. 330 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:07,609 Eat less move more But I was forgetting to eat less I was just eating the same amount and moving a lot less 331 00:16:07,809 --> 00:16:09,669 So I got a big upset. 332 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:12,409 But now, I'd say, 333 00:16:13,969 --> 00:16:15,529 through nutrition more than anything, 334 00:16:15,669 --> 00:16:18,049 I've actually cut the weight back 335 00:16:18,049 --> 00:16:19,529 to probably where I was when I, 336 00:16:20,409 --> 00:16:21,589 maybe even a little bit lighter 337 00:16:21,589 --> 00:16:22,249 than when I retired 338 00:16:22,249 --> 00:16:23,889 because I don't have the same muscle mass. 339 00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:25,349 So I'm not in the gym lifting weights. 340 00:16:25,609 --> 00:16:27,729 So yeah, I just feel a lot healthier 341 00:16:27,729 --> 00:16:30,929 at the minute, like for the last year and a bit. 342 00:16:30,929 --> 00:16:35,469 I've been on the prep meals since we arrived back in the UK. 343 00:16:36,289 --> 00:16:37,629 Like Hello Fresh kind of things? 344 00:16:37,849 --> 00:16:38,789 Not like Hello Fresh. 345 00:16:38,949 --> 00:16:43,889 It's like there are loads of companies now that just send it in a meal 346 00:16:43,889 --> 00:16:46,489 and you go, I do enjoy cooking, don't get me wrong. 347 00:16:46,809 --> 00:16:51,069 But when you've got three kids and a full-time job and you're like, 348 00:16:51,629 --> 00:16:57,009 well, I want to eat something healthy that takes me five minutes to make, 349 00:16:57,009 --> 00:17:04,069 then you just sling it in the oven or microwave and and it's it's fresh it's good produce it's 350 00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:11,129 healthy it'll be specified probably mine would be low carbs high protein 351 00:17:11,129 --> 00:17:18,969 and yeah we got into those for about a year myself and my wife and we can see that really 352 00:17:18,969 --> 00:17:24,689 see the benefits you know yeah that's great isn't it and and how about from an exercise point of 353 00:17:24,689 --> 00:17:31,409 you then Tim do you um what was your current kind of Monday to Friday uh my exercise routine 354 00:17:31,409 --> 00:17:43,489 at present is I just go for a run um I mean my ankles and knees are fine um for now touch wood 355 00:17:43,489 --> 00:17:52,169 um and I can just go for a you know eight nine ten k's twice three times a week whenever I really 356 00:17:52,169 --> 00:17:58,909 feel like it's more for my top four inches as well like you were saying about the time to think 357 00:17:58,909 --> 00:18:03,789 on the bike that's that's my time to think and i mean i'm getting into the running more 358 00:18:03,789 --> 00:18:11,089 thinking i might do the marathon see but yeah i'm liking the way that it makes me feel and 359 00:18:11,089 --> 00:18:17,189 especially from my body point of view i can feel the weight as well coming off 360 00:18:17,189 --> 00:18:23,509 which is you know healthy for me but then no no i know after that i'll have to get in the gym and 361 00:18:23,509 --> 00:18:33,029 get the muscle tone back as well it's a rotator cuff but do you know what i've got a lot to say 362 00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:39,269 about pilates yoga we were meant to do it which was probably not the right way to make me do 363 00:18:39,269 --> 00:18:46,429 anything and i rather found it my own or you know being explained in a different way but yeah as 364 00:18:46,429 --> 00:18:47,749 As soon as someone makes me do something, 365 00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:49,869 I ain't giving it any sort of... 366 00:18:49,869 --> 00:18:52,249 I ain't giving it any time whatsoever. 367 00:18:54,009 --> 00:18:55,609 A lot of lads loved the yoga. 368 00:18:56,749 --> 00:18:58,109 They loved the Pilates. 369 00:18:58,549 --> 00:19:00,049 It just personally wasn't for me. 370 00:19:00,609 --> 00:19:04,169 I prefer to do the core exercises 371 00:19:04,169 --> 00:19:07,089 using the plank and the Swiss ball 372 00:19:07,089 --> 00:19:11,449 rather than some torture bed 373 00:19:11,449 --> 00:19:12,629 that's going to throw you up at you. 374 00:19:13,689 --> 00:19:15,749 I just... 375 00:19:16,429 --> 00:19:17,709 I was like, what is this? 376 00:19:17,869 --> 00:19:18,489 What's going on here? 377 00:19:19,809 --> 00:19:20,829 But some lads loved it. 378 00:19:20,909 --> 00:19:21,769 It just wasn't for me. 379 00:19:22,409 --> 00:19:24,869 But I did stuff that other lads went into as well. 380 00:19:25,129 --> 00:19:28,509 And I think that's where it all comes down to an individual thing. 381 00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:32,449 You know, there's more than one way it's going to cut 382 00:19:32,449 --> 00:19:35,709 and you can get the same results without performing the same tasks. 383 00:19:36,309 --> 00:19:36,649 Absolutely. 384 00:19:37,289 --> 00:19:37,509 Yeah. 385 00:19:37,609 --> 00:19:39,629 And I think it's about what you enjoy, isn't it? 386 00:19:39,629 --> 00:19:41,929 Because if you enjoy it, you're more likely to do it. 387 00:19:41,929 --> 00:19:44,489 And there's so much variety of exercise there. 388 00:19:44,489 --> 00:19:49,429 it's um it's making sure you pick something that you can really get your teeth into there's all 389 00:19:49,429 --> 00:19:54,769 kinds of forms of exercises some people even like functional type exercise where um like you say you 390 00:19:54,769 --> 00:20:00,249 don't have to always be either running or in doing yoga you can just choose the thing that works for 391 00:20:00,249 --> 00:20:08,749 you yeah exactly some people like the maximum effort of exercise like every time and you're like 392 00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:10,789 you're a psychopath. 393 00:20:11,189 --> 00:20:15,469 Why would you want to run yourself to vomit, 394 00:20:15,789 --> 00:20:17,569 vomiting or whirl yourself to vomit 395 00:20:17,569 --> 00:20:20,389 or bite yourself to vomit every single time? 396 00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:22,609 It's just like, yeah, no few guys like that. 397 00:20:22,769 --> 00:20:24,689 You're just like, you're not wired up right. 398 00:20:25,689 --> 00:20:27,269 When you stopped playing, 399 00:20:27,389 --> 00:20:28,809 because obviously with cricket, 400 00:20:29,429 --> 00:20:30,809 you know, it's fully involved, 401 00:20:30,889 --> 00:20:32,349 but also, you know, girlfriend on tour 402 00:20:32,349 --> 00:20:33,629 and, you know, been away from home 403 00:20:33,629 --> 00:20:34,849 for long periods of time. 404 00:20:35,069 --> 00:20:36,549 I'm assuming that you've, you know, 405 00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:41,449 you know, spent a decent amount of time in Australia and South Africa, et cetera. 406 00:20:42,129 --> 00:20:44,729 Did it take a while to get used to like not living that lifestyle 407 00:20:44,729 --> 00:20:47,109 or have you kind of like maintained it by, you know, 408 00:20:47,129 --> 00:20:49,049 going traveling with the kids or whatnot? 409 00:20:50,329 --> 00:20:50,629 Yeah. 410 00:20:51,529 --> 00:20:56,009 Well, we went traveling for two years after I retired with the kids. 411 00:20:56,009 --> 00:20:59,509 So we took them out of school, went traveling for two years. 412 00:21:00,229 --> 00:21:04,229 We finished that with nine months living in Bali, 413 00:21:04,229 --> 00:21:10,709 which was like phenomenal like from a health and well-being point of view 414 00:21:10,709 --> 00:21:19,329 you know you're eating food that's been prepared fresh grown in the country like probably just 415 00:21:19,329 --> 00:21:23,609 down the street and you know it's a really it's a jungle isn't it so it's like a really 416 00:21:23,609 --> 00:21:29,409 good growing environment and you could just get anything you wanted reasonably cheap cheap price 417 00:21:29,409 --> 00:21:35,329 as well so i just found barley really good for my health and well-being and that's kind of where i 418 00:21:35,329 --> 00:21:40,849 kick-started my better go back into the gym phase now and you know i'm really enjoying being healthy 419 00:21:40,849 --> 00:21:46,449 and not drinking as much and just another so yeah we just carried it on from there and we we tend to 420 00:21:46,449 --> 00:21:53,049 go i'll try and get away every single school holiday now now that we're back in the uk which 421 00:21:53,049 --> 00:21:58,969 has its challenges but it's still massively exciting at the same time yeah do you think 422 00:21:58,969 --> 00:22:05,429 Tim your children now are a motivation for keeping yourself fit and healthy because I know for I think 423 00:22:05,429 --> 00:22:11,129 probably for me and Henry I think that's probably a lot of our background to why we want to improve 424 00:22:11,129 --> 00:22:17,769 ourselves now and for the next decade or a few decades ahead so what was your kind of thought on 425 00:22:17,769 --> 00:22:25,269 to move forward through life and are you advising your children based on what you know now what would 426 00:22:25,269 --> 00:22:30,189 you tell your children today based on what you know that's that's a good question i'm not sure 427 00:22:30,189 --> 00:22:34,309 what i'd say to them because i know if they're anything like me as a kid they ain't going to 428 00:22:34,309 --> 00:22:41,169 listen anyway so they have to figure it out for themselves yeah it's true yeah it is i think it 429 00:22:41,169 --> 00:22:47,469 is true um i think i think you are spot on when you say that it's the longevity of your life and 430 00:22:47,469 --> 00:22:53,169 you want to actually still live your life as you get older i still want to be i still want to be 431 00:22:53,169 --> 00:22:58,689 able to do the things I want to do when I'm 65. I enjoy around the golf to be still doing 432 00:22:58,689 --> 00:23:06,129 that when I'm 65. But obviously I know a lot of people that can't. Not because they're 433 00:23:06,129 --> 00:23:09,449 unwilling, it's just because they're not fit enough to be able to do it. And I want to 434 00:23:09,449 --> 00:23:19,709 have the flexibility in my joints and my muscles. It's not like I want to be an Ironman or anything. 435 00:23:19,709 --> 00:23:26,589 I just want to be able to fit enough to have a run for golf when I'm 6'5 and still, you know, compete, I guess. 436 00:23:27,949 --> 00:23:35,469 Or anything, play football with the kids or, you know, go swimming with them or whatever it is. 437 00:23:35,729 --> 00:23:36,549 I wouldn't be able to do that. 438 00:23:37,589 --> 00:23:38,769 So I guess you're right. 439 00:23:39,829 --> 00:23:41,609 That's like a totally normal answer. 440 00:23:41,609 --> 00:23:49,129 and but yeah there seems to be this kind of like disconnect where that kind of you know living in 441 00:23:49,129 --> 00:23:52,809 the moment you know everything's about kind of like you know instant gratification or whether 442 00:23:52,809 --> 00:23:57,009 it's like you know what can i have now or you know um yeah whether it's you know living your 443 00:23:57,009 --> 00:24:00,929 life kind of thing but not thinking you know actually well is there going to be negative 444 00:24:00,929 --> 00:24:06,949 things for that actually you know because uh you know paining health and being healthy whether 445 00:24:06,949 --> 00:24:11,069 that's through exercise or, you know, how you sleep in or what food you're eating and 446 00:24:11,069 --> 00:24:16,269 stuff. A lot of it means that you have to, you either have to put in the hard grind and 447 00:24:16,269 --> 00:24:19,829 whether that's go for a run three times a week or, you know, it's, you know, eating, 448 00:24:20,089 --> 00:24:24,949 you know, healthy food, et cetera. Yeah, I guess it requires a bit of effort. You have 449 00:24:24,949 --> 00:24:29,249 to be intentional of like, actually, I am thinking, you know, not just for tomorrow 450 00:24:29,249 --> 00:24:34,289 or next week, I'm thinking kind of 10, 20, 30 years. And I think when you like talk to 451 00:24:34,289 --> 00:24:38,149 people and say, oh, do you want to be fit and healthy when you're 65 so you can still 452 00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:39,569 play golf with your brother or whatever? 453 00:24:39,969 --> 00:24:41,469 Most people would say, yes. 454 00:24:42,849 --> 00:24:46,169 I don't think you'd meet anyone who'd be like, no, I'd rather be sick and not healthy. 455 00:24:46,609 --> 00:24:51,489 But then actually meaning that actually I've got to do stuff now because if I want to get 456 00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:55,369 to that point, I can't just arrive there and then solve it. 457 00:24:55,489 --> 00:24:58,709 Actually, I need to start thinking about these things, you know, while I still, you know, 458 00:24:59,489 --> 00:25:00,709 while I've got time on my side. 459 00:25:00,709 --> 00:25:10,949 I also think, you know, with social media, there is a lot more access to good, better advice for people. 460 00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:21,309 Where to the point where I think health and well-being has become a thing that you can like the content that you consume. 461 00:25:21,309 --> 00:25:25,349 Like we're talking about it now on the podcast that you guys have set up. 462 00:25:25,349 --> 00:25:28,169 you know it stands to reason that 463 00:25:28,169 --> 00:25:30,229 there are other people offering 464 00:25:30,229 --> 00:25:31,589 similar advice to 465 00:25:31,589 --> 00:25:33,889 even 466 00:25:33,889 --> 00:25:36,969 in terms of like supplements and things like that 467 00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:39,129 that I'll take 468 00:25:39,129 --> 00:25:40,389 now that I couldn't take 469 00:25:40,389 --> 00:25:41,609 while I was playing cricket 470 00:25:41,609 --> 00:25:44,749 like micro dosing mushrooms 471 00:25:44,749 --> 00:25:46,929 and all that kind of stuff 472 00:25:46,929 --> 00:25:49,009 yeah I mean 473 00:25:49,009 --> 00:25:50,389 why not give it a try 474 00:25:50,389 --> 00:25:52,309 totally 475 00:25:52,309 --> 00:25:53,629 yeah 476 00:25:53,629 --> 00:25:57,469 Would that have been a no-no as an elite athlete? 477 00:25:59,169 --> 00:26:01,309 Well, yes, I think it's probably banned. 478 00:26:02,209 --> 00:26:02,469 Yeah. 479 00:26:03,429 --> 00:26:06,489 It's illicit and substance, yeah. 480 00:26:06,609 --> 00:26:06,849 Yeah. 481 00:26:07,149 --> 00:26:11,309 Help you expand your mind for your bowling technique. 482 00:26:12,209 --> 00:26:13,809 Yeah, well, do you know what? 483 00:26:13,869 --> 00:26:15,889 Most of the drugs for cricket don't even work. 484 00:26:16,569 --> 00:26:17,389 Do they not know? 485 00:26:17,629 --> 00:26:17,709 Yeah. 486 00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:18,389 No. 487 00:26:18,389 --> 00:26:26,529 like why would you need um ipo or what was it epo or whatever like that it's not gonna work for 488 00:26:26,529 --> 00:26:35,589 crickets it's like 96 skill based game yeah yeah is it is cricket more akin to say golf where it's 489 00:26:35,589 --> 00:26:39,969 it's more about you've got to have the skill and then put the training in and then of course being 490 00:26:39,969 --> 00:26:45,109 fit and healthy means you can be a better around and you can have longevity whereas something i'm 491 00:26:45,109 --> 00:26:46,269 not saying football or rugby, 492 00:26:46,389 --> 00:26:46,989 it doesn't have the skill, 493 00:26:47,069 --> 00:26:48,369 but you can learn that stuff 494 00:26:48,369 --> 00:26:49,229 and then just be, 495 00:26:49,389 --> 00:26:51,009 if you're a big chap 496 00:26:51,009 --> 00:26:52,069 and you're physically fit 497 00:26:52,069 --> 00:26:53,089 and you can smash through people, 498 00:26:53,169 --> 00:26:54,829 then you'd probably be quite good at rugby. 499 00:26:55,569 --> 00:26:55,669 Yeah. 500 00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:56,049 Yeah. 501 00:26:56,809 --> 00:26:57,429 I mean, 502 00:26:57,869 --> 00:26:58,869 yeah, 503 00:26:58,889 --> 00:27:00,009 unless there's a drug out there 504 00:27:00,009 --> 00:27:01,349 that could slow down time, 505 00:27:01,809 --> 00:27:03,589 which I don't believe there is, 506 00:27:03,929 --> 00:27:05,369 then there is no advantage 507 00:27:05,369 --> 00:27:06,569 to taking any drug 508 00:27:06,569 --> 00:27:09,329 performance and handsome advantage, 509 00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:10,809 in my opinion. 510 00:27:11,749 --> 00:27:12,129 Yeah, yeah. 511 00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:14,569 Which was a lot of... 512 00:27:15,109 --> 00:27:23,129 But would you still been tested for, you know, all the usual steroids and all the, you know, EPA? 513 00:27:23,129 --> 00:27:24,889 Yeah, so they fall under the WADA. 514 00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:29,769 We got tested for the same things that Olympians got tested for. 515 00:27:30,409 --> 00:27:30,769 Yeah, okay. 516 00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:32,809 So it's the World's Anti-Doping Authority. 517 00:27:34,809 --> 00:27:35,489 Yeah, yeah. 518 00:27:35,489 --> 00:27:37,269 Which was completely bonkers. 519 00:27:38,489 --> 00:27:44,269 Because I'm getting tested for the same things that Usain Bolt's getting tested for. 520 00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:45,389 I'm like, yeah. 521 00:27:46,049 --> 00:27:48,929 There's no advantage for me to take anything that he would take 522 00:27:48,929 --> 00:27:51,529 and no advantage for him to take anything that I would take. 523 00:27:52,749 --> 00:27:54,269 So everything just... 524 00:27:54,269 --> 00:27:57,329 Blanche, ban on everything, performing as Lansing. 525 00:27:59,349 --> 00:28:04,629 Sudafed, match strength, something inside there that was just a no. 526 00:28:05,109 --> 00:28:05,829 You can't have that. 527 00:28:06,109 --> 00:28:10,989 It was a list as long as your arm and your leg 528 00:28:10,989 --> 00:28:12,949 of stuff that you couldn't take. 529 00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:17,369 Even every time you enter a pharmacy, I feel a bit like a cold. 530 00:28:18,329 --> 00:28:21,549 You go in with your app on your phone and you go, right, 531 00:28:21,709 --> 00:28:22,889 take a picture of that one. 532 00:28:23,389 --> 00:28:26,089 And if it flashed up, you know you can't have that. 533 00:28:26,169 --> 00:28:28,869 You just go, all right, then paracetamol is again. 534 00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:31,609 You know, that is one of the downsides. 535 00:28:31,889 --> 00:28:33,629 And knowing full well if you had a dodgy supplement, 536 00:28:33,789 --> 00:28:35,189 you were probably going to get caught and banned. 537 00:28:35,629 --> 00:28:38,269 It's like constant fear. 538 00:28:38,809 --> 00:28:42,409 The constant fear of supplements and stuff. 539 00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:45,529 whereas to the point where I was just like, nah, I ain't having any of that. 540 00:28:45,849 --> 00:28:46,209 No way. 541 00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:48,109 Oh, it's just whey protein. 542 00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:48,709 Don't care. 543 00:28:48,969 --> 00:28:49,789 I'm not taking it. 544 00:28:51,329 --> 00:28:53,389 So how would you get your protein in then, Tim? 545 00:28:53,469 --> 00:28:58,829 Did you work with a nutritionist to kind of talk about how to get some protein in your food? 546 00:29:00,109 --> 00:29:04,189 Yeah, basically it boiled down to a trip to Nando's. 547 00:29:05,929 --> 00:29:06,949 More or something than not. 548 00:29:08,529 --> 00:29:10,429 I mean, cricket's best friend. 549 00:29:10,429 --> 00:29:12,369 I think athlete's best friend is Nando's. 550 00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:17,129 It's tasty, it's convenient, it's quick, and you get all your protein, 551 00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:19,709 all your carbs and everything that you need. 552 00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:24,029 I mean, there are other stuff as well. 553 00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:29,109 So I'm allergic to eggs, which is like a real big one for breakfast. 554 00:29:29,789 --> 00:29:32,189 So obviously you get a protein hit at breakfast time. 555 00:29:32,189 --> 00:29:36,789 Most people just go straight down the egg route, whereas I can't do that. 556 00:29:36,909 --> 00:29:37,289 I'm allergic. 557 00:29:37,649 --> 00:29:39,209 So it's like, well, what else is there? 558 00:29:39,469 --> 00:29:40,009 So it's, yeah. 559 00:29:40,009 --> 00:29:40,669 left off 560 00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:42,329 eight vashes of bacon 561 00:29:42,329 --> 00:29:43,029 yeah 562 00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:44,689 is that your breakfast? 563 00:29:46,129 --> 00:29:46,589 yeah 564 00:29:46,589 --> 00:29:47,869 yeah 565 00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:48,689 cream cheese 566 00:29:48,689 --> 00:29:50,609 not cream cheese 567 00:29:50,609 --> 00:29:52,509 cottage cheese 568 00:29:52,509 --> 00:29:53,529 cottage cheese 569 00:29:53,529 --> 00:29:54,329 is high protein 570 00:29:54,329 --> 00:29:54,649 yeah 571 00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:56,309 beans 572 00:29:56,309 --> 00:29:57,329 and a ribeye 573 00:29:57,329 --> 00:29:59,709 second side 574 00:29:59,709 --> 00:30:01,149 and a ribeye 575 00:30:01,149 --> 00:30:02,689 yeah 576 00:30:02,689 --> 00:30:03,789 well steak 577 00:30:03,789 --> 00:30:04,009 yeah 578 00:30:04,009 --> 00:30:04,569 for breakfast 579 00:30:04,569 --> 00:30:05,229 I mean 580 00:30:05,229 --> 00:30:06,069 I have done that 581 00:30:06,069 --> 00:30:08,129 but yeah 582 00:30:08,129 --> 00:30:09,269 like something like that 583 00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:09,509 to 584 00:30:09,509 --> 00:30:14,209 to replace the fact that I couldn't have three, four poached eggs in the morning 585 00:30:14,209 --> 00:30:16,609 on some toast to start my day. 586 00:30:17,369 --> 00:30:21,809 So were you given guidelines of what you should be eating 587 00:30:21,809 --> 00:30:24,789 or were you cooked for or how did it work? 588 00:30:24,929 --> 00:30:25,409 What was there? 589 00:30:25,969 --> 00:30:26,769 Absolutely, yeah. 590 00:30:27,969 --> 00:30:31,829 Depending what training phase we were in or whether we were in a playing phase, 591 00:30:32,229 --> 00:30:36,449 most of my training phases were, again, because I struggled with my weight, 592 00:30:36,449 --> 00:30:41,089 It was a shredding phase, trying to get a bit leaner. 593 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:44,249 So it was steak or chicken breast, a lot of spinach. 594 00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:46,489 Oh, my God, I got so bored of spinach. 595 00:30:46,709 --> 00:30:49,989 Blended spinach, spinach on a plate. 596 00:30:50,249 --> 00:30:51,889 Spinach just because it's spinach. 597 00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:53,289 You're just like, oh, my God. 598 00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:55,369 Stop making me spinach. 599 00:30:55,689 --> 00:30:57,209 Yeah, all sorts of other stuff. 600 00:30:57,649 --> 00:31:03,689 I had a nutritionist for a little while who was working one-on-one, 601 00:31:03,689 --> 00:31:08,169 and he said, go out, buy a juicer. 602 00:31:08,749 --> 00:31:09,589 I'm like, okay. 603 00:31:11,109 --> 00:31:14,009 And he just gave me a load of these juice recipes, 604 00:31:14,369 --> 00:31:15,689 which were actually really nice, 605 00:31:15,849 --> 00:31:19,869 like juices and smoothies and all that kind of stuff 606 00:31:19,869 --> 00:31:24,829 to the point where all I was consuming was juices and smoothies 607 00:31:24,829 --> 00:31:28,269 just to cook weight and get the nutrition I needed. 608 00:31:28,409 --> 00:31:33,329 One of my favorite juices is because I had a 10-wood juicer 609 00:31:33,329 --> 00:31:35,849 and me and my missus got into it for a little bit. 610 00:31:36,069 --> 00:31:39,969 Was all of the, well, one, cleaning it was an absolute pain in the ass. 611 00:31:40,569 --> 00:31:44,129 But also you created all of this kind of like fodder, you know, 612 00:31:44,169 --> 00:31:45,829 because obviously you're just extracting the juice 613 00:31:45,829 --> 00:31:47,749 and now you've got all of this kind of like stuff. 614 00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:49,589 So we just used to put it on the compost. 615 00:31:49,869 --> 00:31:53,229 But of course, then you learn that like, oh, actually there's good fiber in that. 616 00:31:53,309 --> 00:31:55,169 And now you're just taking all the fiber out. 617 00:31:55,289 --> 00:31:57,629 And so you've got the juice and you're getting, you know, 618 00:31:57,709 --> 00:31:59,909 we should be start eating the fodder. 619 00:32:00,769 --> 00:32:10,519 Anyway and then of course you go on the internet And there a recipe for like you know uh juice blend falafel ball and anyway we made them and they were rank yeah so actually i gone back 620 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:14,899 more to the the nutri bullet smoothie because actually at least you're getting the whole 621 00:32:14,899 --> 00:32:19,399 everything you put you put fruit in there you're getting all of it rather than just the the liquid 622 00:32:19,399 --> 00:32:25,399 and and they're easier to clean but anyway i don't know i don't know if i monitored the benefits 623 00:32:25,399 --> 00:32:29,279 what would you say hayley is it good to keep the fiber in or take it out 624 00:32:30,499 --> 00:32:38,319 Well, actually, some of the science is changing to trying to eat just the food whole so that you don't miss out the fiber. 625 00:32:38,719 --> 00:32:48,599 Because if you're blending it up, then you actually bypass the whole bowel system and the intestine system to actually break down and extract some of the nutrients out of the food. 626 00:32:48,819 --> 00:32:52,699 So there are health benefits to just eating it as it is. 627 00:32:52,939 --> 00:33:00,099 But that would be quite maybe putting your spinach into your pizzas or whatever, rather than trying to always blend it. 628 00:33:00,099 --> 00:33:03,099 but maybe doing a mixture of both so you get the benefits from the two. 629 00:33:04,639 --> 00:33:06,139 Sometimes the better way to do it. 630 00:33:06,679 --> 00:33:11,259 I'm also interested in, like, Tim now, so do you have physio nowadays 631 00:33:11,259 --> 00:33:16,759 and how much physio did you used to have when you did have physio? 632 00:33:17,979 --> 00:33:20,599 So we'd only see the physio if we had an issue, 633 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:27,499 whether that be something that was tight or an actual bona fide injury 634 00:33:27,499 --> 00:33:30,879 or something that felt like a bona fide injury that probably wasn't 635 00:33:30,879 --> 00:33:34,659 and the physio just laid down and you're like, 636 00:33:35,199 --> 00:33:36,319 oh, yeah, that feels just fizzy. 637 00:33:36,659 --> 00:33:39,819 We saw a lot of the massage therapist, more often than not. 638 00:33:40,919 --> 00:33:44,599 It would be that that would be in the routine 639 00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:46,439 rather than a trip to the physio. 640 00:33:47,459 --> 00:33:52,399 But, yeah, obviously I saw a fair share of physios in my time. 641 00:33:52,659 --> 00:33:55,499 But, yeah, it was more massage and stuff like that for me. 642 00:33:55,499 --> 00:33:58,579 Yeah, and did the physios work with quite a lot of prevention, 643 00:33:58,779 --> 00:34:01,799 knowing the injuries that you either were susceptible to, 644 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:04,359 especially in cricket with the fast speed, 645 00:34:04,879 --> 00:34:07,359 say the endurance side of the sport? 646 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:12,479 Did they used to guide any of your kind of personal trainers 647 00:34:12,479 --> 00:34:17,859 or exercise trainers to kind of say, right, we need to get this in? 648 00:34:19,299 --> 00:34:22,279 Yeah, so the SNC would work very closely with the physio 649 00:34:22,279 --> 00:34:25,039 on each individual program. 650 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,379 So it was like, right, you do your physio screening, 651 00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,939 then your S&C screening, like, right, they get their heads together. 652 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:34,319 And all right, this is where he's weak from my point of view. 653 00:34:34,419 --> 00:34:35,719 This is where he's weak from your point of view. 654 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,519 Let's build something into his program that is going to help him 655 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:45,559 or strengthen these areas for basically injury prevention. 656 00:34:45,939 --> 00:34:53,519 That is all S&C is used for injury prevention mainly 657 00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:57,959 because these are, well, now, when I first started playing, 658 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:03,619 these are all fit young athletes, whereas, you know, 659 00:35:03,959 --> 00:35:06,219 when I first started playing, you had a few older guys 660 00:35:06,219 --> 00:35:09,039 that were a little bit tubby and overweight. 661 00:35:10,219 --> 00:35:12,439 So, yeah, nowadays, it's all injury prevention. 662 00:35:12,619 --> 00:35:17,879 That's all S&C is, getting you powerful enough, fit enough, 663 00:35:18,019 --> 00:35:21,119 and strong enough to do the job for the entire year. 664 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:27,619 um that's basically always yeah great and do you remember any of the tests that they used to 665 00:35:27,619 --> 00:35:33,379 test you for like was it like how long can you hold a certain weight over your head for or like 666 00:35:33,379 --> 00:35:43,439 what kind of things did they make you do yeah so um we had leap test that turned into the yo-yo test 667 00:35:43,439 --> 00:35:51,619 that was more s and c thing we had vertical jump that was a power thing had uh oh there was 668 00:35:51,619 --> 00:35:57,379 six different vertical jumps we did some techniques and one legged and all that sort of stuff 669 00:35:57,379 --> 00:36:03,099 then we had a sit and reach test i'm mixing these in by the way one's physio one's s and c 670 00:36:03,099 --> 00:36:12,679 i can't remember which one there was one rep max for squat bench press i think there were pull-ups 671 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:14,699 as well, like maximum effort 672 00:36:14,699 --> 00:36:16,919 pull-ups, calf raises, maximum effort. 673 00:36:19,019 --> 00:36:20,559 Then you had stuff like 674 00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:22,679 bridges, so plank, 675 00:36:24,019 --> 00:36:24,739 side plank, 676 00:36:25,139 --> 00:36:26,899 that was all three minutes 677 00:36:26,899 --> 00:36:28,699 minimum, but 678 00:36:28,699 --> 00:36:29,279 it was 679 00:36:29,279 --> 00:36:32,419 three minutes, so he failed, basically. 680 00:36:32,839 --> 00:36:34,259 Three minutes was a long time as well. 681 00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:36,199 Could you do three minutes now, Tim? 682 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:38,659 I think I probably could, you know. 683 00:36:39,579 --> 00:36:39,899 Yeah. 684 00:36:41,219 --> 00:36:41,879 Not signed. 685 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,259 I think my side would probably go, 686 00:36:45,339 --> 00:36:48,499 but I think my car has just got that used to it 687 00:36:48,499 --> 00:36:49,879 over the years and that strong 688 00:36:49,879 --> 00:36:50,979 that I could probably do it. 689 00:36:51,179 --> 00:36:51,319 Yeah. 690 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:52,319 Yeah. 691 00:36:53,279 --> 00:36:54,139 And also, isn't it, 692 00:36:54,139 --> 00:36:55,559 a lot of it's in your head, isn't it? 693 00:36:55,659 --> 00:36:57,019 Knowing that you can... 694 00:36:57,019 --> 00:36:57,859 So much of it. 695 00:36:58,199 --> 00:36:58,719 Overcome it. 696 00:36:58,779 --> 00:36:59,139 Yeah, yeah. 697 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,179 That you can just power through. 698 00:37:00,179 --> 00:37:00,459 So much of it. 699 00:37:00,459 --> 00:37:02,559 And do you feel like, 700 00:37:02,699 --> 00:37:04,459 because you've kind of pushed your body 701 00:37:04,459 --> 00:37:06,599 for a long period of time, 702 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:07,219 that you kind of, 703 00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:08,979 you know that you've got that kind of resilience 704 00:37:08,979 --> 00:37:11,059 to like, I know I can go faster and longer. 705 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,079 Yeah. 706 00:37:12,139 --> 00:37:12,499 Whereas... 707 00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:14,079 Me, I would just give up a bit. 708 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:15,059 Don't know. 709 00:37:16,279 --> 00:37:18,879 I'm not saying you're stronger than that. 710 00:37:18,999 --> 00:37:20,099 You're stronger than you think you are. 711 00:37:20,659 --> 00:37:21,559 Yeah, yeah, totally. 712 00:37:22,399 --> 00:37:23,539 No, I think you are. 713 00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:25,199 It was like a top four inches. 714 00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:30,199 I once had a conversation with one of the coaches who, 715 00:37:30,299 --> 00:37:32,119 he was a player and then he became a coach. 716 00:37:33,259 --> 00:37:34,539 He was one of my good mates. 717 00:37:34,959 --> 00:37:39,499 And he was like, he'd not done anything for a couple of years. 718 00:37:39,499 --> 00:37:42,199 He'd been coaching and I'm doing the yo-yo test. 719 00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:45,899 and he's like, I could still beat you at the yo-yo test. 720 00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:49,019 I was like, so? 721 00:37:50,339 --> 00:37:53,479 He's like, I could still beat you at the yo-yo test. 722 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:54,639 You're not fit enough. 723 00:37:55,659 --> 00:37:57,579 I was like, the test isn't to beat you though, is it? 724 00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,219 The test is to beat this number that you've written down 725 00:38:00,219 --> 00:38:02,359 and that's the test. 726 00:38:02,979 --> 00:38:05,479 Like, if the test was to beat you, I'd be you. 727 00:38:06,459 --> 00:38:07,599 And he's like, no, you won't. 728 00:38:07,999 --> 00:38:09,719 I was like, yeah, I would. 729 00:38:10,339 --> 00:38:11,239 He's like, you never could. 730 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,899 You never could back in the day, like when I was fit. 731 00:38:14,359 --> 00:38:16,219 I was like, yeah, but the test wasn't to beat you. 732 00:38:16,419 --> 00:38:18,359 If the test was to beat you, I'd have done that. 733 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,619 And he just couldn't wrap his head around like my mental process 734 00:38:22,619 --> 00:38:25,319 instead of his mental process, do you know? 735 00:38:25,619 --> 00:38:27,399 Which was a massive learning curve for me, 736 00:38:27,619 --> 00:38:30,199 like learning how to deal with him as a coach. 737 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,059 It was quite funny. 738 00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:36,819 And I said to him, mate, like you've got this house backwards. 739 00:38:36,819 --> 00:38:38,919 I don't think the way that you think. 740 00:38:38,919 --> 00:38:45,339 like that's just not we're different we're why i look different and that again everyone's 741 00:38:45,339 --> 00:38:49,039 different it likes different things different exercises different foods different techniques 742 00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:56,219 what kind of um so you had to eat a lot of proteins a lot of eggs um a lot of spinach 743 00:38:56,219 --> 00:39:01,599 not sorry on eggs uh chicken and nandos and whatnot do you um have you have you kind of 744 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:06,479 continued that or like you you still waking up and having eight rashes of bacon and a nandos to 745 00:39:06,479 --> 00:39:13,379 finish or or or is your whole approach to food changed i'd say it has yeah i don't eat uh i don't 746 00:39:13,379 --> 00:39:21,439 eat uh word this it was food was fuel yeah right that's all it was when now i have a better 747 00:39:21,439 --> 00:39:26,839 relationship with food um do you think that was right do you think that do you think from a kind 748 00:39:26,839 --> 00:39:31,859 of sportsman point of view do you think having that approach that food is just fuel is the right 749 00:39:31,859 --> 00:39:32,659 way to go about it? 750 00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:34,199 Absolutely not. 751 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:36,259 And would you do things 752 00:39:36,259 --> 00:39:37,059 differently if you 753 00:39:37,059 --> 00:39:38,639 went back to 754 00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:39,119 Tim the Cricketer? 755 00:39:39,419 --> 00:39:40,859 I'm not sure I'd be able to. 756 00:39:41,739 --> 00:39:42,959 I just had one of those 757 00:39:42,959 --> 00:39:43,599 figures, like, 758 00:39:43,659 --> 00:39:44,379 all I had to do was 759 00:39:44,379 --> 00:39:45,239 look at a jam donut 760 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,339 and I was like, 761 00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:47,359 bang, that's two 762 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:48,579 mils on the skinnies 763 00:39:48,579 --> 00:39:49,079 straight away. 764 00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:49,559 And you're like, 765 00:39:50,359 --> 00:39:50,759 yeah, yeah. 766 00:39:51,539 --> 00:39:52,939 Like, I just had one 767 00:39:52,939 --> 00:39:53,919 of those body types, 768 00:39:54,059 --> 00:39:54,259 you know. 769 00:39:55,259 --> 00:39:55,799 Don't come work 770 00:39:55,799 --> 00:39:56,499 at my bakery, Tim. 771 00:39:57,879 --> 00:39:58,599 Well, I know. 772 00:39:59,739 --> 00:40:00,479 I'd have to look at 773 00:40:00,479 --> 00:40:01,799 it out. 774 00:40:01,859 --> 00:40:03,559 Oh God, I love it. 775 00:40:03,879 --> 00:40:07,619 That crusty roll with some extra virgin all the while 776 00:40:07,619 --> 00:40:09,459 and some balsamic vinegar. 777 00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:12,179 I'm getting on my own. 778 00:40:12,499 --> 00:40:14,779 You're staring at me as well from the car. 779 00:40:18,359 --> 00:40:21,379 My whole approach is I'm not a nutritionist 780 00:40:21,379 --> 00:40:23,199 or particularly sciencey. 781 00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:26,899 I want to be healthy because I want to still do stuff 782 00:40:26,899 --> 00:40:28,379 on the mold with the kids and the grandkids 783 00:40:28,379 --> 00:40:28,939 if we have them. 784 00:40:28,939 --> 00:40:35,079 um yeah for me food has always been about like flavor and enjoyment it's not like that kind of 785 00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:40,779 when people say food is just fuel you know it kind of like a little bit of me dies it's kind of 786 00:40:40,779 --> 00:40:46,599 because my my no i'm not i'm not but like my whole life has been built around you know food for 787 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:50,419 enjoyment and like that you know the pleasure of the process you know like making it and then 788 00:40:50,419 --> 00:40:55,319 the enjoyment of people eating it but i also think that actually for me you know if you're 789 00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:59,139 cooking good quality ingredients and you're cooking from scratch and you're you know you're 790 00:40:59,139 --> 00:41:03,979 putting care and attention to it actually i think it's actually quite healthy you know um and that 791 00:41:03,979 --> 00:41:08,699 it doesn't you know okay if i spent my whole time making homemade jam donuts and eating them i'd 792 00:41:08,699 --> 00:41:14,379 probably put on quite a lot of weight but then you know as a rational adult i know that donuts 793 00:41:14,379 --> 00:41:19,979 are nice but just once in a while not not part of a balanced diet i think like obviously we're 794 00:41:19,979 --> 00:41:22,119 We're talking about people being individuals, right? 795 00:41:22,959 --> 00:41:26,399 So I viewed fuels, like food as fuel, 796 00:41:26,619 --> 00:41:28,539 because that's the way I had to look at it 797 00:41:28,539 --> 00:41:31,679 to achieve the goals that I'd been set. 798 00:41:34,059 --> 00:41:37,699 Certain other people could eat, 799 00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,759 just live off cheeseburgers that I knew. 800 00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:43,539 I'm only saying cheeseburgers because there's one behind. 801 00:41:44,499 --> 00:41:45,059 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 802 00:41:46,339 --> 00:41:47,999 They would be absolutely fine 803 00:41:47,999 --> 00:41:51,799 and be able to perform, operate, get everything they needed, 804 00:41:52,359 --> 00:41:53,919 not put on any weight. 805 00:41:54,339 --> 00:41:57,799 But that's their individual thing that they could do. 806 00:41:59,139 --> 00:42:02,899 Jimmy Anderson could eat whatever the hell he wanted, 807 00:42:03,319 --> 00:42:06,019 when he wanted, and as much of it as he could, 808 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,959 and not put on a single ounce of body fat. 809 00:42:11,379 --> 00:42:14,619 Whereas all I had to do was, like I said, 810 00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,599 look at a bag of fish and chips and bang, 811 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,359 That's another two hours on the voting machine for me. 812 00:42:21,919 --> 00:42:22,079 You know? 813 00:42:22,259 --> 00:42:22,619 Yeah. 814 00:42:22,999 --> 00:42:24,919 It's just that some things just weren't fair. 815 00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:26,079 Life isn't fair, is it? 816 00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:30,399 And that's the individualistic way of it. 817 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:32,459 The interesting thing with that, though, Tim, 818 00:42:32,579 --> 00:42:36,099 is that everyone, like you say, people store their fat differently. 819 00:42:36,579 --> 00:42:40,499 It's not to say that that's not actually going around as visceral fat 820 00:42:40,499 --> 00:42:44,679 around people's organs, even though they don't show it as physical body fat. 821 00:42:45,819 --> 00:42:46,119 Yeah. 822 00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:51,739 like you say is it probably it was probably a healthier option for you to kind of see it because 823 00:42:51,739 --> 00:42:55,739 then you act on it whereas if people can't see it and they're kind of slender or slim 824 00:42:55,739 --> 00:43:00,099 they might not have that same urgency to think okay actually i need to really think about what 825 00:43:00,099 --> 00:43:06,579 i'm doing here because as henry says food food isn't just um fuel that you should enjoy it but 826 00:43:06,579 --> 00:43:10,479 then the type of food you're putting in it's a bit like a car isn't it putting your petrol in the car 827 00:43:10,479 --> 00:43:15,679 you want to put the best petrol in you're not going to switch between diesel and a leather 828 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:17,899 you need to always put the right little limb. 829 00:43:19,179 --> 00:43:22,339 I think I was just unlucky enough that I stored all my fat 830 00:43:22,339 --> 00:43:26,619 exactly where they pinched you for it to get the... 831 00:43:26,619 --> 00:43:28,179 Those squeezy testing. 832 00:43:28,779 --> 00:43:29,879 Oh, yeah, that testing. 833 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:30,819 Yeah. 834 00:43:31,479 --> 00:43:35,839 So they get their little calipers out, stick them on your bicep, your tricep. 835 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,399 Like there's three across there, which was like just, oh, my God. 836 00:43:40,619 --> 00:43:42,039 I struggle there so much. 837 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,339 your calf, your thigh, 838 00:43:44,859 --> 00:43:46,019 underneath and on top. 839 00:43:46,419 --> 00:43:46,999 Eight sides. 840 00:43:47,259 --> 00:43:49,319 And you had to be under 80 millimeters 841 00:43:49,319 --> 00:43:51,259 of skin fold. 842 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:53,139 You had to be under 80 millimeters 843 00:43:53,139 --> 00:43:55,319 from eight sides. 844 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:56,919 Yeah. 845 00:43:57,499 --> 00:44:00,239 So when you did my belly board 846 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,479 and it's like at 27 847 00:44:02,479 --> 00:44:03,139 and you're like, 848 00:44:03,879 --> 00:44:05,419 got nothing to play with here. 849 00:44:05,959 --> 00:44:07,719 It's from anywhere else, you know. 850 00:44:08,879 --> 00:44:10,039 When would they check this? 851 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:11,479 And then what would be the consequence 852 00:44:11,479 --> 00:44:14,579 if you failed that test? 853 00:44:15,779 --> 00:44:16,319 A fat club. 854 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:16,819 Okay. 855 00:44:17,859 --> 00:44:18,119 Yeah. 856 00:44:18,459 --> 00:44:19,219 So more spinach. 857 00:44:20,219 --> 00:44:21,059 More spinach. 858 00:44:21,059 --> 00:44:25,919 I actually got told one time that if I came back over 80 859 00:44:25,919 --> 00:44:27,919 that I'd lose my central contract with England. 860 00:44:28,899 --> 00:44:30,579 So consequences for it? 861 00:44:31,139 --> 00:44:32,639 That's a massive consequence, yeah. 862 00:44:32,779 --> 00:44:33,279 Huge. 863 00:44:35,379 --> 00:44:37,959 So how did you deal with the pressure? 864 00:44:37,959 --> 00:44:39,919 how would you 865 00:44:39,919 --> 00:44:42,279 what kind of strategies did you 866 00:44:42,279 --> 00:44:44,499 take to kind of deal with 867 00:44:44,499 --> 00:44:46,159 all the pressures that you faced 868 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:47,179 I just want to eat 869 00:44:47,179 --> 00:44:50,759 which is not the healthy way 870 00:44:50,759 --> 00:44:51,379 is it 871 00:44:51,379 --> 00:44:54,499 but that's what 872 00:44:54,499 --> 00:44:55,519 someone's telling me to do 873 00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:57,739 obviously the 874 00:44:57,739 --> 00:45:00,519 S&Cs are saying no you can't say that 875 00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:02,239 or the nutritionist is going no 876 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:02,859 you can't 877 00:45:02,859 --> 00:45:05,419 hold this lab to 878 00:45:05,419 --> 00:45:07,299 this amount of 879 00:45:07,959 --> 00:45:12,099 Skinfalls is clearly an unbelievable specimen. 880 00:45:12,939 --> 00:45:14,339 I was so fit. 881 00:45:14,579 --> 00:45:16,139 I've never been looked fitter. 882 00:45:16,279 --> 00:45:17,179 So you look in the mirror, you go, 883 00:45:17,259 --> 00:45:19,779 Jesus, I look like Zac Efron or whatever. 884 00:45:20,739 --> 00:45:23,499 And then as soon as you get the calipers out, 885 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:28,339 I was hung in one or hung in three or something like that, 886 00:45:29,739 --> 00:45:31,239 knowing that to get down to 80. 887 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,519 It looks and seems impossible. 888 00:45:35,739 --> 00:45:37,259 And did they do that as a blanket? 889 00:45:37,259 --> 00:45:42,759 it they were they were the markers or would they work out based on you know people's body body 890 00:45:42,759 --> 00:45:50,019 forms or or ages or no no it was the calipers and the it wasn't a percentage of your body fat 891 00:45:50,019 --> 00:45:54,359 which would have been so much better for me because they had the technology to measure it 892 00:45:54,359 --> 00:45:58,659 they had the technology to measure like the bod pod and all that sort of stuff which 893 00:45:58,659 --> 00:46:05,319 measured everything bone density body fat the water and your system all that sort of stuff 894 00:46:05,319 --> 00:46:13,039 They had the technology just across the road, but they preferred to use the, yeah, the Stone 895 00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,819 Age callipers, which I never got it. 896 00:46:15,979 --> 00:46:20,739 And obviously it used to affect me quite a lot from a nutrition and fitness point of view. 897 00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:21,779 Yeah. 898 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:27,219 Your bone density, Tim, now must be superb with all the exercise you've done, all that 899 00:46:27,219 --> 00:46:27,859 high impact. 900 00:46:28,059 --> 00:46:28,339 Yeah. 901 00:46:29,379 --> 00:46:29,819 I reckon. 902 00:46:30,059 --> 00:46:30,919 I think it was just that. 903 00:46:30,919 --> 00:46:33,979 I drank a lot of milk as a kid and apparently that's good for your bones, isn't it? 904 00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:34,919 Yeah. 905 00:46:35,099 --> 00:46:35,259 Yeah. 906 00:46:35,319 --> 00:46:43,479 Yeah. I actually only broke. So you, a lot of cricketers will break stuff all the time. 907 00:46:43,479 --> 00:46:49,599 Like there's cricketers out there that just every time they've got weak, like macaroni 908 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:54,839 fingers or whatever, you know, and they'll get hit on the gloves and it'll be like, oh 909 00:46:54,839 --> 00:47:01,199 dear, that's another broken finger. Like that never really seemed to happen to me. I only 910 00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:09,759 had the elbow and a couple of stress factors in my back and that was it um so yeah I think bone 911 00:47:09,759 --> 00:47:17,219 density is one of those things that that's another individual thing isn't it yeah yeah definitely 912 00:47:17,219 --> 00:47:22,799 and how's how's the back now Tim do you suffer with it now or is everything kind of healed and 913 00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:29,859 not too bad or do you get aches and pain yeah I was yeah um I had uh the first first couple of 914 00:47:29,859 --> 00:47:34,099 times I had stress reactions and then I had a proper full fracture. 915 00:47:34,999 --> 00:47:37,579 Never needed surgery back there, like on my back. 916 00:47:38,099 --> 00:47:39,419 A lot of burglars did need surgery. 917 00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:41,699 So I got away quite lucky. 918 00:47:41,959 --> 00:47:47,059 Just an extended sort of break, maybe eight, nine weeks before you do anything and then 919 00:47:47,059 --> 00:47:48,979 build it up really slowly. 920 00:47:49,479 --> 00:47:54,779 A lot of collar exercises, a lot of Swiss ball circles and all that sort of stuff. 921 00:47:56,299 --> 00:47:58,379 Yeah, touch wood, my back's fine. 922 00:47:58,379 --> 00:47:59,379 Not really had an issue. 923 00:47:59,859 --> 00:48:17,748 Do you do back stretches each morning or do you just are you not lucky and you okay with it Because of all your other exercise I fine yeah Sometimes I do I tell you where I struggle My hip flexors must be something in the way I run or walk or sleep 924 00:48:17,748 --> 00:48:19,308 or lay on the sofa and I'll sit. 925 00:48:19,508 --> 00:48:21,488 Maybe sat at a desk most of the time now. 926 00:48:22,048 --> 00:48:27,928 But my hip flexors, I struggle with my hip flexors and IT bands as well. 927 00:48:28,888 --> 00:48:30,348 Got my sides going sometimes. 928 00:48:30,348 --> 00:48:31,348 I was giving my room. 929 00:48:32,668 --> 00:48:33,608 Seems to be all right. 930 00:48:33,668 --> 00:48:35,388 And then a couple of stretches and then I'm fine. 931 00:48:36,668 --> 00:48:38,288 Yeah, you might find it's the sitting. 932 00:48:38,888 --> 00:48:42,288 They shorten and tighten your hip flexors with more sitting 933 00:48:42,288 --> 00:48:43,488 after what you're used to. 934 00:48:44,788 --> 00:48:45,108 Yeah. 935 00:48:45,568 --> 00:48:47,148 Well, more standing, wasn't it? 936 00:48:47,788 --> 00:48:48,128 Yeah. 937 00:48:48,228 --> 00:48:49,108 Five days in a fifth. 938 00:48:49,528 --> 00:48:49,788 Yeah. 939 00:48:53,788 --> 00:48:56,388 Well, is there any kind of, you know, 940 00:48:56,428 --> 00:49:00,048 do you have any kind of like parting advice or like what would be 941 00:49:00,048 --> 00:49:05,348 a good healthy habit that you would recommend for either yourself or for, you know, for people 942 00:49:05,348 --> 00:49:08,868 listening that you would say would be valuable for them? 943 00:49:08,868 --> 00:49:11,808 I'd say cut down your alcohol consumption. 944 00:49:11,808 --> 00:49:14,048 Yeah, that's a tricky one there. 945 00:49:14,048 --> 00:49:16,168 I think it's worse than anything. 946 00:49:16,168 --> 00:49:23,928 Like, looking back, I used to drink way too much, but it was more social and celebrating 947 00:49:23,928 --> 00:49:24,928 as a team. 948 00:49:24,928 --> 00:49:30,068 But after I finished, we'd still drink the same amount, you know. 949 00:49:30,428 --> 00:49:34,468 And as soon as I stopped, you feel better in the morning. 950 00:49:34,788 --> 00:49:38,788 You're able to sleep better, regulate yourself better. 951 00:49:39,108 --> 00:49:41,948 And as I get older, the humovers were just getting worse. 952 00:49:43,228 --> 00:49:46,188 Like when you look forward and you go, oh, yeah, you know, 953 00:49:46,288 --> 00:49:50,208 I fancy two beers tonight, but not going to enjoy it tomorrow. 954 00:49:51,428 --> 00:49:51,948 Do you know what I mean? 955 00:49:51,948 --> 00:49:53,368 It's like, yeah. 956 00:49:53,368 --> 00:49:55,268 have you tried 957 00:49:55,268 --> 00:49:56,228 any of the 958 00:49:56,228 --> 00:49:57,248 like the low alcohol 959 00:49:57,248 --> 00:49:58,588 beers 960 00:49:58,588 --> 00:49:59,768 yeah 961 00:49:59,768 --> 00:50:00,108 yeah 962 00:50:00,108 --> 00:50:04,628 I'm not a big Guinness drinker 963 00:50:04,628 --> 00:50:05,748 but I love a Guinness 964 00:50:05,748 --> 00:50:06,168 and actually 965 00:50:06,168 --> 00:50:07,768 I'm quite pleased 966 00:50:07,768 --> 00:50:08,488 that the 967 00:50:08,488 --> 00:50:09,288 the zero Guinness 968 00:50:09,288 --> 00:50:09,788 is actually 969 00:50:09,788 --> 00:50:10,808 pretty good 970 00:50:10,808 --> 00:50:11,468 yeah it's not 971 00:50:11,468 --> 00:50:12,868 it's not a Guinness 972 00:50:12,868 --> 00:50:13,888 you know it's not a Guinness 973 00:50:13,888 --> 00:50:14,468 no no no 974 00:50:14,468 --> 00:50:15,128 but I think 975 00:50:15,128 --> 00:50:16,788 because it's got the 976 00:50:16,788 --> 00:50:17,428 the froth 977 00:50:17,428 --> 00:50:17,908 it kind of 978 00:50:17,908 --> 00:50:18,848 because quite often 979 00:50:18,848 --> 00:50:20,028 the low alcohol ones 980 00:50:20,028 --> 00:50:20,748 can taste a bit thin 981 00:50:20,748 --> 00:50:21,288 and a bit missing 982 00:50:21,288 --> 00:50:22,608 I used to make my own beer 983 00:50:22,608 --> 00:50:26,348 during lockdown I got really into making very strong IPAs, 984 00:50:26,628 --> 00:50:28,548 which are quite dangerous when you've – 985 00:50:28,548 --> 00:50:30,228 the thing I like about it is they were tax-free 986 00:50:30,228 --> 00:50:32,048 because obviously I was just drinking from my own consumption, 987 00:50:32,508 --> 00:50:34,808 and you'd make something that's like 6%, 7%, 988 00:50:34,808 --> 00:50:37,248 and, you know, it touches the sides. 989 00:50:38,928 --> 00:50:41,628 But, yeah, but then obviously you start building these bad habits 990 00:50:41,628 --> 00:50:43,228 maybe in the wrong direction. 991 00:50:44,288 --> 00:50:45,608 Do you know what I've been trying to hear? 992 00:50:47,108 --> 00:50:52,588 So my favourite beer at the minute is the 2% Amstel Radler. 993 00:50:52,608 --> 00:50:53,608 Okay. 994 00:50:53,608 --> 00:50:55,608 It is beautiful. 995 00:50:55,608 --> 00:50:58,608 It's like, so nice. 996 00:50:58,608 --> 00:51:02,608 Like the lemon just comes through and cuts it like it's 2%. 997 00:51:02,608 --> 00:51:07,608 You know you're not, you're not gonna, but you're still enjoying a nice beer and it just, 998 00:51:07,608 --> 00:51:08,608 yeah, beautiful. 999 00:51:08,608 --> 00:51:10,608 But you can't buy it here. 1000 00:51:10,608 --> 00:51:13,608 You can't buy it in Spain and Portugal. 1001 00:51:13,608 --> 00:51:14,608 Okay. 1002 00:51:14,608 --> 00:51:15,608 Okay. 1003 00:51:15,608 --> 00:51:21,608 Have you tried, have you, um, it was those, uh, the Scottish, uh, uh, brewery, uh, Brulo, 1004 00:51:21,608 --> 00:51:28,708 They are low alcohol ones, but they're made really high quality ingredients. 1005 00:51:29,148 --> 00:51:32,988 And actually, when you try them, you get that real nice kind of hoppy flavors come through. 1006 00:51:33,568 --> 00:51:34,348 Yeah, they're nice. 1007 00:51:34,528 --> 00:51:36,508 And they're like, I think, 0.5%. 1008 00:51:36,508 --> 00:51:43,948 So you get the kind of like the ritual of having a beer, but without all the kind of negative consequences. 1009 00:51:44,548 --> 00:51:46,328 Because you want to still be social, right? 1010 00:51:46,648 --> 00:51:50,388 Because that's a big part of our health and well-being at the same time. 1011 00:51:50,388 --> 00:51:55,828 like you still want to be social social animals and yeah that's good for your top four inch but 1012 00:51:55,828 --> 00:52:01,128 you know you just don't want the handover that comes with it yeah do people kind of expect you 1013 00:52:01,128 --> 00:52:07,348 to be a bigger drinker with the kind of um background of being a cricketer do they they 1014 00:52:07,348 --> 00:52:11,308 kind of are they quite shocked now when they kind of meet you and think actually he's really in 1015 00:52:11,308 --> 00:52:16,488 fitness i don't think so i i think the world is moving forward at the same rate that 1016 00:52:16,488 --> 00:52:22,068 you know cricket probably should have done it got stuck behind other spots for a little while but 1017 00:52:22,068 --> 00:52:29,788 that's it's caught up you know whereas most the the education around alcohol and all that 1018 00:52:29,788 --> 00:52:35,768 that comes with it is just is a lot better i think and they still celebrate their wins they're just 1019 00:52:35,768 --> 00:52:42,088 doing a little bit differently yeah yeah okay they will chuck a couple of bottles of really 1020 00:52:42,088 --> 00:52:43,888 nice white wine in the fridge 1021 00:52:43,888 --> 00:52:45,668 rather than having 1022 00:52:45,668 --> 00:52:47,288 16 beers, you know? 1023 00:52:47,828 --> 00:52:50,328 So it's like, do you know what? We're celebrating 1024 00:52:50,328 --> 00:52:51,968 and we're going to really enjoy it and drink 1025 00:52:51,968 --> 00:52:53,648 something nice rather than 1026 00:52:53,648 --> 00:52:56,048 a lot of something that's going to make you 1027 00:52:56,048 --> 00:52:56,588 feel terrible. 1028 00:52:57,488 --> 00:53:00,108 I guess if you're having your champagne moment 1029 00:53:00,108 --> 00:53:01,988 and actually it's a bottle of Schlürr, it's not 1030 00:53:01,988 --> 00:53:03,108 quite got the same. 1031 00:53:04,788 --> 00:53:05,128 Yeah. 1032 00:53:07,168 --> 00:53:08,088 But most of it 1033 00:53:08,088 --> 00:53:08,988 gets sprayed out anyway. 1034 00:53:09,828 --> 00:53:10,568 Some of it does. 1035 00:53:10,568 --> 00:53:17,548 would you ever plunge yourself into um would you ever plunge yourself into any of these ice 1036 00:53:17,548 --> 00:53:25,648 ice baths and things like that tim oh take that as a no so well i had a not a physical altercation 1037 00:53:25,648 --> 00:53:32,948 but it was close with the with the snc or the one of the coaches over ice baths 1038 00:53:32,948 --> 00:53:39,688 and i was like you can't prove that that does anything for me i just want to go home and sleep 1039 00:53:39,688 --> 00:53:40,868 I'm not getting in there. 1040 00:53:41,408 --> 00:53:42,868 It's already cold outside. 1041 00:53:43,188 --> 00:53:46,988 I don't want to get in a bath of ice-cold water. 1042 00:53:47,288 --> 00:53:49,288 And they were like, no, no, it's good for you physiological. 1043 00:53:49,648 --> 00:53:50,588 I was like, prove it. 1044 00:53:50,948 --> 00:53:51,268 Show me. 1045 00:53:51,508 --> 00:53:52,508 Show me where it says that. 1046 00:53:52,708 --> 00:53:56,648 Because my argument was, you can't prove that makes me better 1047 00:53:56,648 --> 00:53:58,988 in my body better. 1048 00:54:00,208 --> 00:54:05,368 But I know for a fact that it's going to put me in filthy nick mentally 1049 00:54:05,368 --> 00:54:08,208 being made to do something I don't want to do. 1050 00:54:08,208 --> 00:54:15,748 so that was my argument yeah yeah yeah so i i always refused ice baths they weren't for me 1051 00:54:15,748 --> 00:54:23,988 but again other people really really enjoyed them and got into them um i must say though since i've 1052 00:54:23,988 --> 00:54:32,928 retired i have been i have gone to like a whatever ice bath facility but i mainly go for the sauna 1053 00:54:32,928 --> 00:54:40,708 it's quiet yeah so i i've built a sauna in my uh shed it was a bit of a summer project my wife had 1054 00:54:40,708 --> 00:54:45,608 a big long list of things that needed to be done the sauna wasn't one of them but i've i've now 1055 00:54:45,608 --> 00:54:51,568 built the sauna now i'm spending a lot of time in it but um at the moment i just spread i've got 1056 00:54:51,568 --> 00:54:56,928 like the hose pipe and i just use that as a as a kind of um and just to like cool down but uh but 1057 00:54:56,928 --> 00:55:02,108 i've been thinking about you know do i put an ice bath in and i don't know i i've been in them 1058 00:55:02,108 --> 00:55:04,248 without going in the sauna and they're not very enjoyable. 1059 00:55:05,308 --> 00:55:05,488 Yeah. 1060 00:55:05,848 --> 00:55:10,708 Like a plunge pool after a sauna, I can get on with that. 1061 00:55:11,068 --> 00:55:13,208 I can get, that's absolutely fine, right? 1062 00:55:14,608 --> 00:55:18,868 When it's 10 degrees outside and you're coming in and you're cold anyway, 1063 00:55:19,968 --> 00:55:21,728 go and sit in that bath full of ice for me. 1064 00:55:22,148 --> 00:55:22,388 No. 1065 00:55:23,488 --> 00:55:24,028 There you go. 1066 00:55:24,228 --> 00:55:25,468 No interest whatsoever. 1067 00:55:26,468 --> 00:55:27,608 I'm on you with that one. 1068 00:55:27,608 --> 00:55:31,288 But I assume you kind of valued sleep, I get the impression, 1069 00:55:31,288 --> 00:55:34,048 because sleep's really important for recovery and healing, isn't it? 1070 00:55:34,048 --> 00:55:34,568 Really important. 1071 00:55:35,268 --> 00:55:37,088 Yeah, really important. 1072 00:55:37,728 --> 00:55:38,248 Yeah. 1073 00:55:38,568 --> 00:55:40,828 I mean, we used to sleep a lot during the game 1074 00:55:40,828 --> 00:55:42,068 just to get that recovery. 1075 00:55:42,888 --> 00:55:46,388 So if we say you're bowling over two days 1076 00:55:46,388 --> 00:55:52,388 and you bowl them out just before lunch on day two, 1077 00:55:52,388 --> 00:55:56,048 it was quite common for us to sleep all afternoon 1078 00:55:56,048 --> 00:55:59,608 while the lads were out there grinding and batting them. 1079 00:55:59,608 --> 00:56:01,528 so we'd have a big lunch 1080 00:56:01,528 --> 00:56:02,508 you'd get the 1081 00:56:02,508 --> 00:56:05,048 you'd sit in the room 1082 00:56:05,048 --> 00:56:05,628 and the lights 1083 00:56:05,628 --> 00:56:06,688 you'd still have the TV on 1084 00:56:06,688 --> 00:56:07,768 so you knew what was going on 1085 00:56:07,768 --> 00:56:09,228 and the guys knew 1086 00:56:09,228 --> 00:56:10,548 to come and wake you up 1087 00:56:10,548 --> 00:56:10,848 if you 1088 00:56:10,848 --> 00:56:13,128 if anything happened 1089 00:56:13,128 --> 00:56:13,608 in the game 1090 00:56:13,608 --> 00:56:14,268 and you needed to 1091 00:56:14,268 --> 00:56:14,788 you know 1092 00:56:14,788 --> 00:56:16,528 put your bad pals on or anything 1093 00:56:16,528 --> 00:56:17,468 but yeah we'd 1094 00:56:17,468 --> 00:56:18,808 dim the lights 1095 00:56:18,808 --> 00:56:20,508 put a bit of sleep spray out 1096 00:56:20,508 --> 00:56:20,988 and just 1097 00:56:20,988 --> 00:56:22,688 make it a really comfortable 1098 00:56:22,688 --> 00:56:23,548 environment to 1099 00:56:23,548 --> 00:56:24,788 to get that recovery 1100 00:56:24,788 --> 00:56:26,788 I viewed sleep 1101 00:56:26,788 --> 00:56:28,128 more important than anything 1102 00:56:28,128 --> 00:56:28,548 yeah 1103 00:56:28,548 --> 00:56:32,928 Even though when you woke up and you're like, oh my God, I'm so stiff. 1104 00:56:32,928 --> 00:56:38,108 You can't, you know, you can't get going again. 1105 00:56:38,388 --> 00:56:41,408 But yeah, those are just the moments you have to get through. 1106 00:56:41,748 --> 00:56:43,308 Would you do much of a warm up? 1107 00:56:44,288 --> 00:56:46,188 Just again, before you go back out? 1108 00:56:46,568 --> 00:56:46,788 Yeah. 1109 00:56:47,788 --> 00:56:49,388 Yeah, you'd have to get yourself going again. 1110 00:56:49,848 --> 00:56:50,168 Definitely. 1111 00:56:51,848 --> 00:56:55,188 Just, I guess, hot bath. 1112 00:56:55,408 --> 00:56:57,288 So I have to wake up from sleep. 1113 00:56:57,288 --> 00:56:59,468 if you've got time, jump in a hot bath. 1114 00:56:59,668 --> 00:57:01,128 That was my favourite thing. 1115 00:57:01,888 --> 00:57:04,108 Just to get your muscles going 1116 00:57:04,108 --> 00:57:06,748 and then you just jog about for a bit 1117 00:57:06,748 --> 00:57:10,828 and maybe get over the ladders in the changing rooms, 1118 00:57:11,968 --> 00:57:13,368 hit a few balls if you've got time 1119 00:57:13,368 --> 00:57:14,728 and then go out and back. 1120 00:57:15,148 --> 00:57:18,508 But hopefully the lads made it through 1121 00:57:18,508 --> 00:57:19,728 until the end of the play. 1122 00:57:19,808 --> 00:57:20,308 Yeah, yeah. 1123 00:57:20,348 --> 00:57:20,688 Before you had to do it. 1124 00:57:21,248 --> 00:57:23,588 And you could just sit there and snooze all afternoon. 1125 00:57:24,008 --> 00:57:24,368 Yeah. 1126 00:57:24,988 --> 00:57:27,008 And then go there and have a nice meal 1127 00:57:27,008 --> 00:57:27,708 and then go to bed. 1128 00:57:28,968 --> 00:57:31,848 So you must have had it where you've been bowling, 1129 00:57:32,148 --> 00:57:35,188 you know, relentlessly, you know, day and a half or whatever, 1130 00:57:35,348 --> 00:57:37,548 and then, you know, the batters go out, 1131 00:57:37,628 --> 00:57:39,908 and then, you know, you get that top order collapse, 1132 00:57:39,988 --> 00:57:40,708 and then suddenly... 1133 00:57:40,708 --> 00:57:40,808 Yeah. 1134 00:57:41,928 --> 00:57:44,108 Because you were like the kind of middle order, weren't you? 1135 00:57:44,728 --> 00:57:48,348 Yeah, so about between six and eight, probably. 1136 00:57:49,268 --> 00:57:49,388 Yeah. 1137 00:57:49,888 --> 00:57:50,048 Yeah. 1138 00:57:50,688 --> 00:57:53,008 And then you find yourself... 1139 00:57:53,008 --> 00:57:54,028 Far too many times. 1140 00:57:54,028 --> 00:58:00,688 so you'd bowl for they'd get 500 and plenty and you'd be out there 140 overs and then you'd go 1141 00:58:00,688 --> 00:58:06,708 oh finally like we're off we're off the park like what a feeling you'd sit down for 20 minutes have 1142 00:58:06,708 --> 00:58:11,828 a bite to eat and then you'd just be getting comfy in your little sleeping pods and now you've got to 1143 00:58:11,828 --> 00:58:18,748 go put your pads on you're like because yeah and is that is that where the kind of the mental 1144 00:58:18,748 --> 00:58:19,808 you know because 1145 00:58:19,808 --> 00:58:21,488 if that happened to me 1146 00:58:21,488 --> 00:58:22,848 I would be feeling 1147 00:58:22,848 --> 00:58:23,408 kind of like 1148 00:58:23,408 --> 00:58:24,288 a bit peed off 1149 00:58:24,288 --> 00:58:24,708 and you know 1150 00:58:24,708 --> 00:58:25,788 I'd get over it 1151 00:58:25,788 --> 00:58:26,508 but it would take me 1152 00:58:26,508 --> 00:58:27,048 a little while 1153 00:58:27,048 --> 00:58:27,888 would you try and 1154 00:58:27,888 --> 00:58:28,488 would you 1155 00:58:28,488 --> 00:58:29,588 would you try and get out 1156 00:58:29,588 --> 00:58:30,568 into the middle of the pitch 1157 00:58:30,568 --> 00:58:31,708 over it 1158 00:58:31,708 --> 00:58:32,448 or would you still be 1159 00:58:32,448 --> 00:58:32,888 a little bit 1160 00:58:32,888 --> 00:58:33,748 you know kind of 1161 00:58:33,748 --> 00:58:34,728 pissed off and seething 1162 00:58:34,728 --> 00:58:35,988 facing that first ball 1163 00:58:35,988 --> 00:58:36,388 you'd get over it 1164 00:58:36,388 --> 00:58:37,528 obviously try and do 1165 00:58:37,528 --> 00:58:38,448 the best for the team 1166 00:58:38,448 --> 00:58:39,608 yeah of course 1167 00:58:39,608 --> 00:58:41,008 if 1168 00:58:41,008 --> 00:58:42,588 if you think 1169 00:58:42,588 --> 00:58:43,568 so that 1170 00:58:43,568 --> 00:58:45,328 in cricket 1171 00:58:45,328 --> 00:58:47,008 that situation 1172 00:58:47,008 --> 00:58:47,768 would have a bit of 1173 00:58:47,768 --> 00:58:48,448 a silver lining 1174 00:58:48,448 --> 00:58:50,548 right? Because we've done 1175 00:58:50,548 --> 00:58:51,888 140 overs 1176 00:58:51,888 --> 00:58:53,868 and then we're 1177 00:58:53,868 --> 00:58:56,768 I don't know, say 90 for 5 or something 1178 00:58:56,768 --> 00:58:58,628 that's a pretty heavy collapse 1179 00:58:58,628 --> 00:59:00,548 right? You knew you weren't 1180 00:59:00,548 --> 00:59:01,648 getting past the follow on 1181 00:59:01,648 --> 00:59:04,328 so even though you've done 140 1182 00:59:04,328 --> 00:59:06,488 overs, you knew you only really had to 1183 00:59:06,488 --> 00:59:07,028 do it once 1184 00:59:07,028 --> 00:59:07,748 So it's like 1185 00:59:07,748 --> 00:59:11,828 Oh I see, you're like, oh I don't need to bowl again 1186 00:59:11,828 --> 00:59:14,448 Yeah, we're going to lose this, let's lose it quickly 1187 00:59:14,448 --> 00:59:16,228 Well exactly 1188 00:59:16,228 --> 00:59:18,408 Quick game's a good game, isn't it? 1189 00:59:18,448 --> 00:59:20,688 unless you've been out there for, you know, you've done 500, 1190 00:59:20,988 --> 00:59:24,828 but, you know, there's nothing worse than having to back that up 1191 00:59:24,828 --> 00:59:27,888 with another 20 over spell on day four and five. 1192 00:59:29,268 --> 00:59:34,348 So if the batters absolutely stuff it, then they kind of, 1193 00:59:34,428 --> 00:59:35,308 you only have to do it once. 1194 00:59:35,468 --> 00:59:38,788 From a pun, because the thing I love about cricket is that 1195 00:59:38,788 --> 00:59:41,488 there was a team sport, it's like a team sport 1196 00:59:41,488 --> 00:59:42,908 with like little individual battles. 1197 00:59:43,608 --> 00:59:46,368 And, you know, in those moments when it's either the, you know, 1198 00:59:46,368 --> 00:59:48,688 you know Ben Stokes is out there 1199 00:59:48,688 --> 00:59:50,428 and he's whacking them for six and it's 1200 00:59:50,428 --> 00:59:52,668 building or it's the you know you're out 1201 00:59:52,668 --> 00:59:54,468 there bowling and you know you're putting 1202 00:59:54,468 --> 00:59:56,728 pressure on and it's like changing that you know 1203 00:59:56,728 --> 00:59:58,648 changing the momentum 1204 00:59:58,648 --> 01:00:00,708 of the game and a lot of that really exciting 1205 01:00:00,708 --> 01:00:02,708 stuff happens well I in my 1206 01:00:02,708 --> 01:00:04,708 opinion on that last day when everyone 1207 01:00:04,708 --> 01:00:06,708 snatched and they probably wanted to be over 1208 01:00:06,708 --> 01:00:08,628 did you like did you live and 1209 01:00:08,628 --> 01:00:09,848 love those moments or 1210 01:00:09,848 --> 01:00:12,308 did it just feel like going through the motions 1211 01:00:12,308 --> 01:00:14,048 yeah the sort of the 1212 01:00:14,048 --> 01:00:16,088 runs on day like 1213 01:00:16,368 --> 01:00:21,208 last session day five or like champo last session day four and the best ones 1214 01:00:21,208 --> 01:00:26,868 they're the best ones to be involved in because you've you've worked so hard to achieve something 1215 01:00:26,868 --> 01:00:31,948 and you know you couldn't have like you couldn't have put any more in to getting the result that 1216 01:00:31,948 --> 01:00:40,268 you want and yeah going into the game that you knew that that could have been the only way 1217 01:00:40,268 --> 01:00:45,168 that you could have won was being the last session of day four, you know? 1218 01:00:45,668 --> 01:00:48,808 So you've got to put all that hard work in four days' worth 1219 01:00:48,808 --> 01:00:49,768 or five days' worth. 1220 01:00:50,868 --> 01:00:58,948 And, yeah, it's like a sense of achievement when you get a win after that. 1221 01:00:59,328 --> 01:00:59,848 Yeah, definitely. 1222 01:01:00,248 --> 01:01:03,108 And did you do much to wind down as well? 1223 01:01:03,288 --> 01:01:05,228 How would you come down from that, Tim? 1224 01:01:05,828 --> 01:01:08,448 How did you do with it? 1225 01:01:08,448 --> 01:01:16,048 Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know, like a golf course or traveling or just a day. 1226 01:01:16,548 --> 01:01:21,308 Sometimes I just enjoyed a day of crap TV, morning TV. 1227 01:01:23,808 --> 01:01:25,708 Just something, anything to switch off. 1228 01:01:26,088 --> 01:01:27,948 Yeah, just like life in general. 1229 01:01:28,468 --> 01:01:31,848 Anything away from the game is you are actually switching off from the game. 1230 01:01:32,688 --> 01:01:33,488 Normality again. 1231 01:01:33,508 --> 01:01:37,808 I mean, some people are on constantly, like they can't switch off. 1232 01:01:38,448 --> 01:01:40,848 which is tough, but I never really found that difficult. 1233 01:01:41,888 --> 01:01:46,548 Like, my wife didn't know the first thing about cricket, 1234 01:01:46,668 --> 01:01:47,688 which was brilliant. 1235 01:01:48,648 --> 01:01:49,048 Yeah. 1236 01:01:49,948 --> 01:01:52,488 Because she'd never asked me about it when I got home. 1237 01:01:53,128 --> 01:01:54,308 She's like, how'd you get on? 1238 01:01:54,568 --> 01:01:54,928 Yeah, good. 1239 01:01:55,208 --> 01:01:55,988 All right, yeah, nice. 1240 01:01:56,188 --> 01:01:58,508 No, I thought she wouldn't care either way, you know. 1241 01:01:58,548 --> 01:02:00,188 It was perfect for me. 1242 01:02:00,828 --> 01:02:01,048 Yeah. 1243 01:02:02,208 --> 01:02:05,288 It's worse when you, like, you speak to people 1244 01:02:05,288 --> 01:02:08,388 or someone phones you up, like, say your parents phone you up, 1245 01:02:08,448 --> 01:02:11,948 Your dad's talking to you about, oh, why did you come round the wicket? 1246 01:02:12,148 --> 01:02:12,828 So-and-so. 1247 01:02:13,268 --> 01:02:15,708 You're just like, no, I'm switched off. 1248 01:02:15,888 --> 01:02:17,608 It's not an interesting kind of thing. 1249 01:02:19,388 --> 01:02:21,848 So, yeah, I never really found it difficult switching off. 1250 01:02:22,008 --> 01:02:23,548 Well, thank you so much for your time, Tim. 1251 01:02:23,688 --> 01:02:26,948 It's been so interesting hearing a bit of your story 1252 01:02:26,948 --> 01:02:31,208 and just hearing about all the kind of, you know, 1253 01:02:31,268 --> 01:02:33,988 your approach to food and health and whatnot. 1254 01:02:33,988 --> 01:02:38,648 and I'm definitely going to look at my alcohol consumption 1255 01:02:38,648 --> 01:02:41,708 and see whether there's anywhere that I can cut a bit out. 1256 01:02:41,968 --> 01:02:42,648 Of course it's Guinness. 1257 01:02:42,748 --> 01:02:43,768 Definitely a bite of mine. 1258 01:02:45,288 --> 01:02:45,608 Awesome. 1259 01:02:46,488 --> 01:02:49,408 And thank you for talking about the physio side 1260 01:02:49,408 --> 01:02:52,228 because that's a very rare side that we often hear about. 1261 01:02:52,788 --> 01:02:55,588 Thank you for sharing a bit at the beginning about your injuries. 1262 01:02:55,728 --> 01:02:57,048 I know that was tough to talk about, 1263 01:02:57,208 --> 01:03:01,028 but we appreciate your time and telling us about your training program 1264 01:03:01,028 --> 01:03:05,908 because I'm sure everyone's found that extremely interesting to hear. 1265 01:03:06,448 --> 01:03:11,028 Any last words for us, Tim, for anyone listening about how to be good at cricket 1266 01:03:11,028 --> 01:03:12,428 or any top tips? 1267 01:03:13,928 --> 01:03:15,288 Oh, how to be good at cricket. 1268 01:03:15,648 --> 01:03:18,308 I think it stems from enjoyment of it, really. 1269 01:03:18,648 --> 01:03:21,428 Anything that you want to get good at stems from the enjoyment of it, 1270 01:03:21,468 --> 01:03:22,008 in my opinion. 1271 01:03:23,468 --> 01:03:26,468 You have to really enjoy it and then just, yeah, have fun. 1272 01:03:26,988 --> 01:03:29,568 Just have fun playing it and enjoying it. 1273 01:03:29,568 --> 01:03:33,148 And then, you know, if it develops into a career, then great. 1274 01:03:34,688 --> 01:03:35,768 But still enjoy it. 1275 01:03:35,788 --> 01:03:38,988 Because sometimes I went through a period where it's like, 1276 01:03:39,788 --> 01:03:42,648 shit, this has become more than a hobby now. 1277 01:03:42,728 --> 01:03:44,608 It's become more than something that I really enjoy. 1278 01:03:44,728 --> 01:03:47,648 It's actually become a way of paying the bills, 1279 01:03:47,708 --> 01:03:49,868 which is a lot of pressure and a different sort of mindset 1280 01:03:49,868 --> 01:03:51,088 that you need to wrap your head around. 1281 01:03:52,288 --> 01:03:52,488 Yeah. 1282 01:03:53,488 --> 01:03:54,868 So, yeah, just keep enjoying it. 1283 01:03:54,928 --> 01:03:56,228 Whatever you do, just enjoy it. 1284 01:03:57,988 --> 01:03:58,388 Brilliant. 1285 01:03:58,388 --> 01:03:59,048 Wise words. 1286 01:03:59,048 --> 01:04:02,488 Thank you Tim, thank you so much, we've thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you again. 1287 01:04:03,848 --> 01:04:10,648 No worries, thank you very much.