what's up good evening how are you buddy i'm pretty good so the world's getting a little
heated these days yeah it seems more fun a little bit in some ways yeah my timeline seems a little
bit i mean there's some really heavy shit going on right now but uh that we'll get into but i'm
actually really enjoying the the ditty doc i'm i'm through episode one i haven't i heard about
I haven't seen any of that.
Dude, they're linking him to every murder on X.
Well, you know, it's interesting.
He seemed to...
This is a documentary that 50 Cent made or something, right?
Yeah.
But no, there's a legit Emmy Award winning documentary filmmaker who directed it.
It's not just a straight up hit piece.
There's some things that are like...
So she said just laughing all the way to the back.
He's not really in it.
Okay.
Yeah, no, this is just like footage.
They got footage from the videographer who Diddy hired in the weeks before he got indicted, I think, or went to jail.
Like, he was still trying to get out of it.
And he hired someone to kind of cover him.
But they never paid.
He never paid.
So that guy turned to 50 Cent bought it.
And I don't think they were like NDAs or enough strong-ups like that.
So, I mean, obviously, 50 Cent has his, I mean, he's going after.
a hit piece in a way from 50s point of view.
But there's great filmmaking.
Some of it is definitely like they're piecing things
like an interview that maybe happened in 94.
They're making it seem like it happened in 96.
There are some instances like that that I've seen.
But one instance is, so there's these themes.
I mean, his dad, I don't know if you know,
his dad was a gangster.
He was sort of a big Harlem gangster
and a sort of a hit that made like the back you know front pages of new york times on in central
park west and i guess he left his mom a lot of money she or some money i mean it was still kind
of in the hood but you know she drove a cadillac and things like this and they seem to protect it
so some people have kind of said maybe he comes from a long line of informants
um but you know so he he seems to like kind of go after his rivals or people he he's jealous of
like their girls he tries to end their careers everyone who he started uptown records with is
dead um heart attacks and things like that um heavy d i'll be sure heavy d is a call went into
a coma i'll be sure andre harrell who he started the record label with but then so then like you
know tupac a lot of linkage to tupac and biggie who he was very good friends with but no one no
one was like hanging from a tree with an extension cord and a shotgun blast at the chest
when people were taken out on the streets of vegas did you not get the reference no okay
forget it moving along sorry but uh even like there's this clip of him and nipsey hustle
who died and you know was murdered or it's you know uh but several weeks or a few days before
that uh um nipsey's like clapping did i have no idea what the hell you're talking about i am
well did he's like you better stop clapping and nipsey's like i'm gonna clap all night
like, when Nipsey died.
And then, I don't know.
Anyway, I'm enjoying it immensely.
Yeah, okay.
I was talking more about, like,
what's going down in Venezuela.
The conversations around,
I think Japan is saying something like
it would be an existential threat to our sovereignty
if China attacked Taiwan.
You know, the Russia-Ukraine peace thing
that's falling apart.
It's like the world just seems to be devolving
into like we need war somewhere we need more like we need more now but we we've kind of talked about
that before where i mean war is a great way to spend money incur debt cover we're going to talk
about we're going to we're going to cover it today people at home japan's interest rates are rising
their bond markets starting to look really sketchy inflation is coming they're the most indebted
country in the of the west as far as second most indebted second most indebted who's the first you
you know? No, I don't. But it's like 200, they're approaching 220%.
Yeah, it's massive. Massive. So I don't
know. I think 2026 is going to be
the year of conflict. Or is
it the year of liquidity? Which is what I think a lot of people are sort of having hope.
I think they go hand in hand. Sure. If you have conflict,
it's the money printer goes on and necessitates more liquidity.
yeah okay to be seen uh all right i want to i want to read a piece from uh
did you hear about the bernstein report that came out so bernstein alliance bernstein in view of
recent market correction we believe the bitcoin cycle has broken the four-year pattern cycle
peaking every four years and is now in an elongated bull cycle with more sticky institutional buying
offsetting any retail panic selling.
I'm so glad that they explained it to me.
Took the load off.
Despite a 30% Bitcoin correction,
we have seen less than 5% outflows via ETFs.
We are moving our 2026 Bitcoin price target to $150,000,
with the cycle potentially peaking in 2027 at $200,000.
Our long-term 2033 Bitcoin price target remains $1 million.
Cool.
Yeah, Lance Bernstein is pretty big.
I mean, important is sort of a stodgy institution.
I know, but I mean, they never...
I mean, all of these guys get stuff right all the time, so...
Well, no, I mean...
All right.
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This is Bitcoin Center, live stream number 32.
My name is Cedric Youngleman.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
Let's get into it.
Let's be real, right?
Praising Telegram for launching a Bitcoin wallet?
I've always felt like with Haley...
Bitcoin, this digital currency that's out there,
that people say, oh, it might be the next big thing.
What do you think?
I think it's rat poison.
Bitcoin.
You never heard of them a few weeks ago.
Now everybody's talking about them.
But is it a currency?
I don't know.
Or is it more like a stock?
Or is it a tulip bowl?
Or is it just stupid?
To me, it smells like Ponzi scheme in the greater pool theory, right?
You do like five minutes of freaking research.
Well, thanks for coming to my set talk.
Yes.
Don't buy shit coins.
Oh, man, I didn't get that wrong.
All right.
Bitcoin's recent rally.
Do you agree?
Is crypto finally dead?
Go to the next one.
Matter of fact, they're kind of in the Ethernet.
What are they?
Some rumors that it's a Japanese guy, but they know that he's a fake name.
It was a pseudonym.
You're literally putting real money onto a system that we don't even know who created it.
It will come to a bad ending.
Is this the most exciting bull run ever?
Not for me.
No, it's not.
welcome to bitcoin center the fast-paced show where the debate is the story
all right you're up let's get into it vanguard unlocks crypto etfs and allows their customers to
yeah well let's do it like is this is this important is this notable so good dude do they
do they understand the hypocrisy of being the largest passive investor supporter in the world
and not allowing people to own crypto well they have a an ethos and a creed they do yeah and it's
very conservative of not analyzing cash flow passive income investments their entire ethos is
don't do anything except buy everything sure don't do any research all of american companies
or all of mid cap or all of yeah right right so why not all digital assets i guess they finally
100 they finally figured out that it's passive enough for them yeah i mean i guess so it's just
It doesn't kick off income.
There's no yield.
I mean, it's like to make an entire industry out of not having an opinion,
but then for the last decade they've had a horrible opinion of Bitcoin.
Right, and gated up and excluded.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not a valid asset.
Sure.
I mean, I think they think they're acting in the best interest of their clients.
But let's get past that.
Yeah, but they're not supposed to do that.
What does this say about now?
Black Rock's obviously in the game.
Yeah.
What does it say about what?
PNC Bank.
I mean, I think it says that they've just finally capitulated.
Sure.
That's all it says.
Well, it's good money in this.
I mean, anybody who's wanted it is gone.
What does it say to grandma and grandpa?
They said, okay, Vanguard, I'll go open an account of Fidelity.
I mean, what does it say to all the boomers at Vanguard who don't have money at Schwab,
don't have money at Morgan Stanley?
Yeah.
I mean, they're probably not going to change their mind.
Well, maybe they put it 100%.
And I think this is good news for adoption for like 401ks and IRAs and things like that.
The people that are on the Vanguard platform that finally can get exposure.
Great.
Price exposure.
But you should have just gone and opened up an account somewhere else a long time ago and told them to go screw themselves.
Yeah.
Well, it's still super early, though.
So even the people who are onboarding through ETFs at Vanguard now are early.
I mean, only one.
How much of the world do you think is into Bitcoin?
One percent?
I don't know.
I mean, yeah, the rumors are like between one and three.
Let's call it 2%.
You go from 2% to 5% to 10%.
I would err on the side of 1% because many people have multiple wallets.
When you go from 1% to 10%, that's not just a 10x increase.
I mean, it's a 10x increase in the amount of capital and people.
All right, let's move on.
Moving on.
All right, sovereign funds by the dip.
Larry Fink disclosed.
We're seeing more and more legitimate long-only investors investing in it.
There was an article about a foundation.
Endowment just bought a lot of IBIT.
But I can tell you there are a number of sovereign funds that are standing by.
They're adding incrementally at 120, at 100.
I know they bought more in the 80s.
That's fine.
And they're establishing a longer position.
And you own it over years.
This is not a trade.
You own it for.
I'm going to take the other side now.
I mean, does this not make you think Bitcoin is not headed towards being captured?
I mean, the new Klaus Schwab is...
The Klaus Schwab of Bitcoin.
You know, he's the head of the World Economic Forum.
And sovereign wealth funds are scooping up Bitcoin.
Is that just smart of them?
Yes.
Do they not fear it anymore?
They just want exposure and they don't worry about sort of their local currencies.
I mean, look, Wall Street is like a whole set of confirmation bias people.
Like as soon as the head says, hey, guys, this is good.
Everybody gets in line and says to their customers, hey, this is good.
And then the customers tell their friends, this is good.
and everybody gets in line and does what they're trying to do.
Five years ago, I would have sent my friends a clip like this.
If anyone at Goldman Sachs was like, Bitcoin is interesting,
I would have been like, yo, you've got to see this.
All my old Trout Five friends.
I don't even try anymore.
Right.
But this is the kind of thing I'd be like,
not that I think Larry Fink is awesome,
but that I think he carries weight in that world
and the confirmation bias they're looking for.
And from that angle, how is this not more viral
and sort of mainstream, traditional,
you know, sort of current or new edgy mainstream.
I don't know.
Maybe we're the wrong people to ask, right?
Maybe we're the wrong people to ask
because we spent the last several years like anti.
Wall Street.
And so.
Still are from a Bitcoin perspective.
No, 100%.
But so when this kind of news comes out,
it's kind of like not that exciting to us.
I don't know.
Maybe the advisor at Morgan Stanley is jumping up and down in his chair right now because he gets to show this to his clients and he's all excited about it.
I don't know.
But it is becoming acceptable and it is becoming commonplace for the average Joe to think, okay, there's the devaluation of our currency and it's a debasement trade and I've got to get some exposure.
Yeah, I agree.
All right, let's move on to the next one here.
Essentially, what Bitcoin is doing is taking excess energy, storing it into a new form.
It's called currency.
And you take that currency and you take it wherever you like.
And so you took energy from one place and now you've transported it everywhere.
Now, of course, that's just Bitcoin.
Imagine a much more universal currency called intelligence using exactly all the same concept that you described You find places with excess energy
Go put a data center there.
Transfer that energy.
Compress it into an artificial intelligence model.
Take that model all over the place.
How much do you think this is about
him understanding Bitcoin
versus AI and Bitcoin need each other
from a data compute energy perspective.
And there's an alignment sort of emerging here.
I just took it as he was just trying to use
the Bitcoin analogy to explain
how they would be delivering intelligence
from server farms off grid.
Explain that to me like I'm a five-year-old Bitcoin podcaster.
So like, you know, Bitcoin has made
trapped energy accessible.
You could put a minus in the middle of nowhere.
Right, where you can't sort of transfer it
because you would lose too much.
Right.
You could build it before the civilization is there.
Exactly.
And I think what he's trying to do
is trying to make that same analogy with AI.
We could go find an energy source
in the middle of nowhere,
build a server farm,
upload intelligence,
power intelligence
that then can get delivered to the world, right?
Be a satellite and whatever.
I think that's the analogy he's trying to make.
The negative take or the tinfoil hat take is that he discovered Bitcoin and now he wants to create an AI coin.
And I didn't take that.
I didn't get that for three years ago.
We couldn't stop hearing about how Bitcoin used too much energy.
No one's complaining about the AI use of energy.
He's now talking about how Bitcoin and AI are similar around stranded energy.
he's not afraid to go near bitcoin from an energy perspective yeah i think that's a huge turning
point that's a good point i don't trust that guy uh more further than i could throw him yeah sure
i don't think he has a very clean background but very interesting statement and sort of uh
the convergence survey on bitcoin all right let's get into our special guest
no it's pce but he jumped ahead oh we are okay we're going special guest
Yay.
We got Jesse Tavlos with us.
We got Kevin Kelly.
Can you guys hear us or me?
Yeah, we got you.
Oh, fantastic.
First time I've done this, I was trying to talk to you offline there, but I think I'm doing it okay.
So how's everybody doing?
Very good.
Oh, thank you.
Doing great.
Yeah, we're doing okay.
How about you guys?
Good.
I'm running away from my kids.
I apologize.
they're gonna find you so i just posted i just reposted this so hopefully it's on uh it's on x
but uh but yeah guys it's been a crazy 48 hours with this stuff but what's up punch how are you
feeling man crazy times good buddy doing good doing good so i didn't want to get into this
guys it's a little bit complicated but no i guess i just i wanted to find out uh from from you guys
what your sense of the situation is um is there are there is there any traction from the
administration is there any thoughts that that there's an actual pardon on the horizon or
do you think this is still far out well you know we're about 72 hours into this thing uh you know
i was tangentially aware of it um jesse set up an interview with uh keone on friday night i just
kind of sauntered into it and then the more I heard the more outraged I became of just what a
travesty of justice this is. So look we're kind of we've been on spaces we've been amplifying it
a lot of people had a lot of questions they didn't know what exactly happened did those
guys really do anything wrong. Bottom line is the Southern District of New York which is
has got a dubious reputation particularly as it relates to President Trump who we're seeking the
the pardon from. Basically just ignored black letter law and railroaded these guys in the most
overt way possible to send a message to the Bitcoin community. We've only just really gotten
into it, but he's going to report from jail in 10 days or less than 10 days, but right before
Christmas. And they're going to put him in prison with the maximum sentence that they pleaded to,
but only because they starved them of the ability to defend themselves.
all kinds of process and Brady violations and all kinds of other stuff we can get into.
So we spent the first couple of days just trying to figure out what exactly they were,
what exactly they were, were the nuances of what happened. People had questions. So getting through
all that stuff, I sent it to Bo Hines. We'll see what he does, but he's probably afraid to lose his
new job. Maybe, I don't know. But you really find out a lot about people when, you know, they're like,
well, it's not me and I don't know the guy and whatever.
And it just becomes a little bit disheartening,
but I'm seeing it amplified on X and on social media.
And I think that if we can get some traction
to penetrate the president's inner circle,
this is a no brainer for him just on the merits of it,
but because these are the same people who went after him
and as an ancillary benefit,
it'd be really nice to get the whole Bitcoin community
back behind him, in my opinion.
That sounds hopeful.
I hope you're accurate there.
Well, I've dug into this.
To me, he's a political prisoner.
Do you guys want to break down how this ended up in New York?
I mean, New York, the SDNY, which sort of has.
Well, it never had any business being there.
It never had any business.
Right.
But there's a clear reason.
And it's because of the judges that they have put in place there.
And there's some interesting nuances to the story to where at one point they literally,
you know, he's, he's about to essentially, um, go argue for some motions to be dropped because
of really good evidence. Like, uh, uh, puncher just said, Kevin just said here, um, they had a
Brady, uh, they had a Brady, uh, order. I think it's called, um, what is it? What is it punch?
Brady? Um, it's a Brady violation. They basically had exculpatory, they had exculpatory evidence
when they talked to Fincen, who was the regulating body as to whether or not these guys violated a
FinCEN law. FinCEN
said, no, they never took custody
of the funds, so they're in the clear.
And they buried that.
And they continued to prosecute them anyway.
So they buried the evidence
that was exculpatory,
and they just didn't care. They were going to get their man
no matter what, and I think that tells
you they were acting on the orders of whoever,
but there was a
foregone conclusion that this was going to
happen, and evidence
be damned.
I think Brady wrote the letter
that Operation Chokehold 2.0 was over
and DOJ should not go after Bitcoin innovators,
software programmers, coders.
And SDNY, which has a nickname
the Sovereign District of New York,
because they do whatever they want.
They went after Trump on the banking issue
and sort of the mortgages.
They also went after Ross Ulbricht
and had no business being in New York.
Ross didn't live in New York.
He was in San Francisco when he was arrested.
He's from Southwest.
same here same here yeah that was that was the case with uh keone where he's like i don't
understand because i haven't even set foot in new york and so right so it's clearly from their end
strategically to go from that sdny put someone put a fed an fbi agent on the street of streets
of new york downloaded the app that's their jurisdictional claim now a new yorker could
be affected by this right so then back to what they brought up with fincent right fincent came
out letters in i think 2013 and 2015 or 2015 2017 clearly stating if you're not taking custody of
the money you're not a money transmitter right right yeah you're you can't do money laundering
if you don't have the money right so it's not like they broke laws they did not break laws
then they got dragged into new york the judge was changed what somewhere during the trial or
Well, it was days, but it was, I think importantly,
this is not importantly,
because I've been listening to Keone on all the interviews and I'm learning
more and more every time I listened to another one,
it happened right before they were about to bring those,
those things to the judge. And then exactly.
Then they dropped it, changed it to this much harsher judge.
They brought in the hanging judge last minute, who's 80 years old,
by the way,
And then that judge basically just said, no, we're just dismissing everything.
We're just including what Finn said.
A government agency said these guys are good.
We looked into it.
They're not doing anything fishy.
We are the agency that you go to to ask.
We're confirming they're good.
And they said, no worries.
We're going to continue on with the indictment.
And we're going to go for the full maximum.
And we're going to pull up to the guy's house with guns.
I mean, it's the whole story is we raided his house. We raid your house. It's off of shitpost tweets. That's their evidence. There's no actual this is important. There is no actual crime. And even to this day, Keone has not admitted to a crime. What he did is he agreed to a plea bargain in which he agrees to the fact of conspiring, which means he could have had intent.
maybe, maybe not in knowing that someone could have used his software in a bad way.
That's like saying anybody who goes and uses Google, who does it in a bad way,
if I go use Google and I search for something and that's illegal and then I go carry out a crime,
that they're going to go after the leaders of Google and they're going to go take the founders of Google and put them in jail.
That's what they're saying they're doing now.
And the letter from the Trump administration is, well, we'd rather go after the criminals, the people who are using the service for no good, not the people who are using it for privacy.
And they've gone after nobody.
$2 billion went through or $2 billion worth of Bitcoin went through Samurai.
They're alleging in their facts, the government, that 237 million of it was money laundered.
That's just a false claim.
And they have no evidence of it. And if they did, it would be part of the evidence.
Yeah, there doesn't have to be evidence. They just say whatever they want to say.
In this case, they just said all of the money that's going through there, we're just now going to classify as bad.
It's just bad now because we can't track it.
So now, therefore, they're conflating privacy with bad behavior or illegal behavior.
There is no there's nothing legally wrong with privacy.
Privacy is a human right, as is property. Right.
And we talked about this puncher in terms of like, you know, they're basically attacking basic human rights by attacking this this guy.
It's pretty young.
I mean, we kind of know that with KYC, AML.
Anytime you do a bank transfer over $10,000, you put on a suspicious list.
But this this goes beyond.
Absolutely.
So they saw the judge was changed.
And this judge has a record of going really hard and maximum sentencing.
so they were facing 25 year sentences with the government said we're going to put 237 million
on your backs that when you get out you can't do anything until that's repaid your your life is
over well it's it's look keone is a soldier man i mean you want to be in a foxhole with this guy
first of all his partner uh bill is older so you know if they had gone to court and trial which
they couldn't done because they squeezed them out of any ability to defend themselves.
But he would have died in prison for sure. He would have gotten out when he's 92 years old.
Secondarily, they seized the assets or encumbered the assets of his entire family. He wasn't allowed,
he did have Bitcoin, but he couldn't defend himself with his Bitcoin because he wasn't allowed to
have anything to do with cryptocurrency, trade it, use it, anything. So they choked him off
because they didn't have a case. They wanted to arrive at a preordained conclusion. And at the
end of the day um kioni just did it you know he took the bullet for his family and uh his partner
but it's it's uh it's the it's just the very definition of uh injustice the government as
part of the plea deal said we'll cut it down to six million which was all the fees samurai
collected over 10 years it was not like this was a very uh lucrative business yeah they were keeping
the lights on is what they were doing whatever bitcoin they seized sdny they already sold
against the sbr which is keep all the confiscated bitcoin so i mean we that's a rabbit hole there but
so yeah you guys gone rogue um i mean this is uh i mean people i don't know if people are really
seeing reading between the lines but this is absolutely a war between two different factions
within our government and he's stuck in the middle oh yeah but here's the other thing like they are
they are disregarding president trump's order whether he's aware of it or not but just
look we're confident that if we can penetrate that kind of bubble that donald trump is in
and he finds out what happened and he's got an opportunity to a stop these guys from disobeying
his direct order and stick it back to them who tried to literally put him in jail for
life under Trump dump charges Look and they going to go after him Look if they lose in 2026 they going to need bitcoiners in the 2026 election because they going to go after him and after he gets out they go after
him and his family and his businesses and everything else so for every reason in the world
president trump has the opportunity to do the right thing not only for himself but he's got
the ancillary benefit or not only for keone and justice but he's got the ancillary benefit of it
being good for him personally, I think. That's a great point, Punter, great point.
What also is interesting about this, this was at the district level. So even if they didn't plea,
this wouldn't be a precedent. That's at the appellate level. That's after an appeal
at this level. So this isn't even a persuasive argument because they didn't win the case against
them. So they just pled out. So, you know, other than sort of the political persecution that we all
know that software coders could go to jail for these kinds of things without the precedent i'm
surprised the government i thought they would rather have the precedent no plea you sort of
get the space of argument and then take it to the appeals the way they're doing with tornado but
that's the roman strong that's that's the point the precedent's not a legal precedent the precedent
is if you try this we will get you come hell or high water despite any fact pattern the precedent
is this heavy-handed we're going to come after you and we're going to get you because we don't
need to play by the rules we're going to choke you out we're going to starve you out we're going
to ruin you and um you know even if you do plea we're going to give you the maximum so the message
is loud and clear and it's just uh it's it's judicial tyranny these people these are the
criminals actually the sdmy they are the criminals 100 yeah it doesn't feel like we have a legal
justice system. There's no justice. It's the opposite at this point to where they make it,
they write the story ahead of time, right? The story is already written. It doesn't matter. And
that was kind of the, I don't know, Puncher for me when talking to Keone, that's the moment when
you realize that he had no choice from the very beginning. And so, you know, here we are, but to
Puncher's point, I just want to go back to it for a second. I think President Trump has an opportunity
here to actually make a statement. And, you know, none of us really know what's going on behind the
scenes there. We do have some connection lines. And I do think we are going to get it in front
of him. And he's probably already aware of it, I believe. But the question is, can we, this is a
real person's life and it's life. And it's not just him, it's him, it's his partner, Bill,
both about to go to jail for, you know, five years, starting in a couple days here.
um and so yeah i just appreciate you guys but continue any questions you might have we've kind
of been locked in on on it but um yeah he ended up having he was forced he was coerced into the
plea bargain that's basically what that boils down to that part of the story is he had no choice
he was facing 25 years they had him on his uh his wife's property his his uh father's property they
went after his family i mean he was strange he was he was being strangled and it was either that
and he knew he was going to lose. He knew if it went to trial, they were going to give him the
max because of the judge, because they switched this judge very, very strategically right at that
moment, dropped everything, said no discussion. Here we go. And said, either go to trial and good
luck. 25 freaking years. Are you kidding me? You know, there's no way he's going to take that.
And so here we are at the five-year plea bargain. Yeah. The insight for him was all pre-trial
motions, which cost him a ton, were just denied it. They were not responded to. Typically,
a judge will get a pretrial motion. They'll either accept or reject it, and then they'll
write an opinion as to why. She didn't even bother to write an opinion. She just rejected it outright.
That's what he knew. Yeah. One of the motions they inquired about was the exculpatory evidence.
So there's six months into trial or review here, proceedings, and the government's supposed to
hand over everything. You don't even know what they might have. You don't know what you don't
How would you ask and give them a list?
Correct.
They're even supposed to give you stuff that would sort of make you appear innocent.
Correct.
That's felonious activity by that.
That's a felony.
Yeah, by law, they must.
Right.
Just think about it logically.
If we have a true justice system, then what are we trying to achieve?
The truth.
We're trying to get to the truth.
So it doesn't matter.
It's not supposed to matter what side you're on.
And this is what I'm talking about, where we've gotten to this place of lawfare that is absolute ridiculousness because it's not predicated on truth.
It's about winning or losing. And that is not the purpose of justice, ladies and gentlemen.
So that's kind of the crux of this entire issue is that we have a case here with no evidence, with basically exculpatory evidence to the contrary, that they're innocent.
We have we basically have the most evidence we have, the most hard evidence and probably strongest evidence of this case is in favor of their innocence.
They reached out to the government six months in and said, do you have any conversations with FinCEN about us?
That's who would regulate us. And they were like, oh, yeah, here you go.
And it was the conversations about FinCEN being like, no, it's all good.
Like, we don't think that they're breaking any laws.
The laws that we would opine on, we would sort of make the accusation.
They would be break.
We are the ones who issue the license.
And it was because the new judge was like, I don't want to even talk about that.
That's not important to me.
And they wanted to refer to other cases.
And that that instance and the judge just I don't want to hear about it.
But let's get into it.
Yeah, there's also a litany of precedents, legal precedents in their favor that they, when they had their pretrial motions and that they disregarded. But hey, I want to say something, guys, a lot of Bitcoin influencers are building a brand and I get it.
Like, you know, they don't want to go out on a limb and maybe jeopardize that brand because they're not quite sure of all the fact pattern in the case.
And maybe they're backing the wrong guy.
First of all, Keone is an unbelievable spokesperson for himself, for Samurai Wild, and for Bitcoin in general.
The guy is just, he's an ace.
So, you know, he can handle himself.
He's a very articulate guy.
But I just want to say thank you to guys like you, Lawrence Lepard, Jeff Booth reached out.
I think Natalie Brunel is going to have them on, Eric Rice and others.
You know, I see a lot of people kind of hiding a little bit, like they don't want to get
dirtied up by this.
But look, it's like living in the boat with the hope that the alligator eats you last,
right?
I mean, if they come for you, you'd probably like to know that the Bitcoin community, and
I hear a lot of talk about Bitcoin community and freedom and privacy and people on stage
at the Vegas conference and all that.
Like, spare me your bullshit.
this is the time where you got to step up and protect one of our own or just get up there and
talk about number go up and don't don't let's not slander our intelligence to that degree
because you're full of shit but i appreciate you guys you did step up so i really appreciate it
for our audience what can people do to help keone at this point well look we're a network right uh
first of all there's a there's a there's a um petition a petition going around please sign the
petition uh you can give them some money don't um what's there's a there's some money to help
these guys out out there we'll put the link somewhere it's not really directly though just
to be clear they can't accept it that's right they can't accept it right now so that's correct uh
said but look rack your brain like imagine it was somebody you knew and loved you'd go to the ends
of the earth for them, just because it's a stranger. Look, he's one of us. So you have
networks, you have the ability, and I want to break out of the Bitcoin bubble, right?
A lot of people follow politics on Twitter. A lot of people know people, just make them aware.
And let's just amplify this thing to such a degree that at least it penetrates the bubble
of Donald Trump, hopefully before he spends a second in jail. And, you know, I think we can do
I mean, we're a big army. And if everybody does just one little thing, I have no doubt that he'll
be standing on the stage in Vegas talking about what happened to him. And he'll be a guy who's
talking about freedom and standing up. I mean, I'm remembering of our founding fathers. We all
kind of take things for granted. When those guys signed the Declaration of Independence,
these were guys of light and learning and wealth. They put everything on the line for a principle.
It can't just be lip service or we're all full of shit.
This is the opportunity.
And I can tell you, he was been on for hours.
I said, anybody who's got any beef with these guys,
because you know you're in business,
you might have a beef with somebody from way back when
or the coding guys get a little less Eric here and there,
whatever, bring it now or forever hold your peace.
And Keone stood there and took all comers
and answered every question.
I am thoroughly confident that if you get behind Keone,
you will not be embarrassed.
You're on the right side of history.
and we can get this done.
Thanks, guys.
Thank you.
This is like Ross Albrecht 2.0.
This is so clear cut.
If he spends a night in jail,
like we've failed,
we have to get through to President Trump.
And then every day if he's in jail,
this is really bad.
We're not free citizens while he's in jail.
You know, this doesn't really like affect
or ruin Bitcoin in the sense that
this is sort of the government side of things
and like where you live
and where you plant your feet
and the laws you live under.
this is a really big deal in attorney from from the rules that we work under um we cannot see that
they've committed any crimes and from everything i've seen i don't it's not even as murky as uh
ross's right that's what i was trying to get and i think there was so much more murkiness that
again i don't think proved ross or made it sort of unclear that ross wasn't a political prisoner
but that there was murder and intrigue and i mean this is very different but very clear cut and um
this is this is really bad and as a bitcoin i i'd see like wow this is and it's another it's
another sort of you know mark on the on the chalkboard or carving in the tree that shows
you that this justice system has got some serious issues this is more important yeah i mean this is
so and by the way it's an opportunity for us to put the word out there and let it be known you are
we are not to be trifled with you want to mess with us you're going to pay a political price and
we can fight back now.
In the early days, when you guys were around,
we were kind of like, just kind of
fly roundabout way.
Don't let anybody know what we're doing here.
Not now. We're a political force to be reckoned with.
And you can't do that
to us or you're going to kick the hornet's nest.
Yeah.
And I think, I hope to speak with Keone tomorrow,
but he's alluded
that miners are next.
There's a lot of similarities.
And yeah, so this is
this is the slippery slope this is a massive turning point thank you gentlemen yeah well
the trumps are miners too don't forget that thanks guys yeah thank you but yeah yeah
this is when you get the old fact lifts on the mining yeah 100 uh you know so i don't know about
the trumping miners meetings that they could join those lists and be compliant uh that's not enough
This is about principle and freedom of speech in every direction,
from minors to non-custodial self-custody.
It's really, really a bad test.
To money-transmitting licenses in that battle.
If we lose this as Bitcoiners, we've lost a ton.
A lot in America.
A lot.
We've lost a ton.
Yeah.
My son codes.
Right.
All right, let's move on here.
Let's get to the lightning round.
it's a bitcoin center brought to you by bite federal let's get into it oh
bitcoin mina 2025 um so sailor cz safedine and others at the uae does this mark the region's
emergence as a serious Bitcoin center, pun intended, have you considered going?
Yeah, they invited me this year.
I considered it.
I looked at sort of the plane fare and the hotels.
Why are you here, man?
I like it here.
I don't have to get on a plane.
It's wet.
There's moisture here.
But it looks more exciting than I thought it would be, to be honest.
I see Michael Saylor walking around with cheeks talking about, you know, rolling out Bitcoin products and interest.
Our Bifederal CTO is there.
He spoke at Bitcoin for Corporations and has attended.
You know, he's sending us like, watch this clip.
Watch that.
Watch Saylor this.
Watch that.
So it's all good.
I mean, the Middle East is going to.
They got energy.
They're going to get money.
They got Bitcoin.
they're going to
they got sovereignty
they're going to be
running the show in the Middle East
it just seems like all things are pointing in that direction
yeah
especially if you're reading Simon Dixon
lots of intriguing
tweets, let's go to the next one here
the CZ shift debate
I have a nice box here
what is that?
I think it's Kirk
Kyrgyz language.
I took it back from Kyrgyzstan.
He has a certificate.
I got this from a very important person from Kyrgyzstan very recently just completely by luck So we take it out it pretty heavy Put this down
You can see it says, Kyrgyzstan, 1,000 grams, fine gold, 99.9.9, and a serial number.
Try it.
Yes, yeah, it's heavy.
Is it real gold or no?
Well, I don't know. I mean, you know, I mean...
Is this what you're trying to say?
I mean...
I love it.
That was brilliant.
That was great.
That was so good.
I mean, just drop the mic and leave the stage at that point.
Did you hear about the dinner in El Salvador with Bukele?
Mm-mm.
So someone gives Bukele a sword.
He's like, all right, cool.
This is a nice gift.
And then Giacomo gives him a bottle of rum, a dictator rum,
like dictador or something like that and you know so and then uh someone said well he doesn't even
drink and because i said that's okay i don't even play with swords that much you know but
that's awesome all right so let's move on to the next one here all right yeah
bank of america bank of america eyes btc allocations okay the bank of america now
guiding wealth managers to hold up to 4%
in Bitcoin as a hedge against fiat
debasement, how much does this
shift the mainstream conversation about
BTC's role in traditional
power?
The conversation is shifting every
week. Stablecoin
deposits, stablecoin payments,
crypto, and
allocations.
This is their idea now.
Why not?
Fiat's debasing, bro. You need
some Bitcoin. That's like an SNL
trade meme now it's just it's like really like it's it's right there with inflation is transitory
it's just sort of accepted yeah it almost like defangs inflation yeah people just say hey man
it's a good thing now yeah man just may do well with the trade bro the debasement trade the dollar
so going down bro and and this is this is not about bitcoin though or even crypto this is about
etfs still good job good bank for america i'm glad you're advising everybody that's amazing
Keep up the good work.
Well, you know, conversation is moving along.
Let's move on to the next one here.
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All right.
Here's, I mean, do you think this is a big deal?
The Fed ends QT with $13 billion liquidity injection.
I mean, my mouth's on the floor with how small that number is.
I love it.
What do you think?
I mean, this is the central bank yo-yo, right?
It's tightened until we need to loosen.
I don't know.
I don't think that's really meaningful development.
No, it's exactly right.
Like, I mean, what do you, like, okay.
Let's move on to the next one.
Good job, Joe.
Sailor announces 1.44 billion dividend reserve.
With MicroStrategy setting aside 1.44 billion in reserves
that could be funded with future Bitcoin sales,
How does this shift the conversation around corporate Bitcoin treasuries at a time when MSCI is even considering index removal?
I think they're signing to signaling to Wall Street, signaling to traditional finance and the banking system.
That's obviously, I think, a little nervous about them.
Yeah.
But they're growing up.
They're maturing.
They're conservative.
They have a cushion.
The irony that a lot of people point to is, you know, this all started with the $500 million melting ice cube.
Mm-hmm.
in uh point 20 yeah yeah and now they have triple that right well like he's he's gotta he's gotta
pander to both parties right like in the early days it was all about gaining uh the the plebs
support and now it's about maintaining market cap right so the 500 billion 500 million is on an 8
billion market cap yeah the one and a half and he was a he was a little micro company and then he
became a behemoth sure and now he's got uh bigger bosses to answer i think it's a smart move i think
it's sort of calming the markets it feels like a bottom for strategy not financial advice yeah
he's got to do what he's got to do he's he's got to please and this covers them this is 21 months
of dividends they want to always have uh 24 months they want to work this up build this up to 24
months one thing i thought about when i read this and this is all tinfoil hat stuff but he announced
his Bitcoin-backed dollar potential in MENA.
And I wonder if these reserves could play into that somehow.
If he could actually use these reserves
to create his next credit instrument.
And I wonder if that's where this is going.
Maybe I called the Bitcoin-backed dollar
when I went on Byte Federal's show.
I think so, dude.
You've been talking about this for a while.
I didn't see it coming.
I now think, even in the United States,
I think we're going to be on complete stable coins within 18 months in the United States banking system.
Ooh.
I think you will guarantee to have both in your account.
You think so?
Within 12 months.
I think it depends on the bank.
And I think 18 to 24 months, there won't be the other kind in your account.
I think it depends on the bank.
Let's say all speed, transparency, liquidity.
I think there's going to be a lot of...
Well, then there'll be a lot of banks that just don't transition.
Because I can't...
Well, I think there's going to be consolidation in banks.
Yeah, yeah.
So...
I mean, PNC just rolled out the buy, sell, trade Bitcoin with Coinbase doing the back end.
They need a good crisis to flush some of that out so that they can get the adoption they want.
I think they got the flush out they were looking for.
I don't know, man.
There's way too many banks that are behind the curve technology-wise.
I don't think they're going to be able to make the shift, but we'll see.
Let's move on to the next one here.
Which one is this?
Is this yours?
Is it mine?
Where am I?
Is it mine?
No.
Okay.
Well, yeah, you're supposed to ask me this.
Yeah, I got it.
Bitcoin diverges from the S&P 500.
The S&P 500 rallied and Bitcoin is not really rallied alongside.
Yeah.
I mean, is this a mean naming to you?
Is this decorrelation?
Is this indicative of anything?
This is not a big deal to me.
I mean, if you frame this in the perspective of how Bitcoin is traded sideways for a year now,
to me, it's price suppression so that institutions can accumulate.
Sovereign wealth ones can accumulate.
Nation states can accumulate.
I agree.
whatever i think literally it's um it's all about trader games in order to aid in the accumulation
of bitcoin into the hands that are going to be the long-term holders for the next phase that i mean so
just take a look at so you have um all the centralization of bitcoin the banks the etfs
the treasury companies the funds the funds and uh you know you have the sort of the notes roger
raver wrote the book hijacked bitcoin's been hijacked uh epstein funded you know mit mit
funded gavin a lot of people mit funded i'm not a big fan of their work on bitcoin in this
direction i mean gavin went to the cia um is it at all possible non-zero chance that
this is going in the exact direction sort of the banking system would want the government would want
that Bitcoin is not...
Throw in Samurai,
things like Tornado,
the lack of privacy on Bitcoin.
Even Keone would say,
we can have the ultimate freedom money
or we're going to have a Savinne Panopticon on Bitcoin.
Yeah.
I mean, there's potential for that.
I don't think anybody's happy right now.
I don't think anybody's in control or anybody's happy.
Sure, but I mean, it seems like
if they maybe they haven't gotten there but like are they trying yes trying yes 100 i think they're
having a lot of success 100 like this like the death the dark the death star is like there
and it's like yes you know everyone's like hey grandma like you could buy the bitcoin etf and
get on the death star the other thing that i've been thinking about recently as i've been watching
like power law analysis versus exponential equity analysis
is that the papering of Bitcoin, right?
All these institutions that want Bitcoin exposure
but aren't necessarily interested in taking on Bitcoin custody,
that could lead to Bitcoin trading more like an equity
where they control, and maybe that's what we're starting to see,
price suppression, taming the volatility, crushing the volatility, getting a big swath of sideways
action so they can accumulate the exposure they want. And then they could trade it like an equity.
They could run it exponentially, make a stupid amount of money because the supply is so constricted
and then dump it and then it would really bitcoin would then look like the final bubble
like you see you saw when amazon went to nine dollars right like it could trade exponentially
like an equity because of the control that they garner and that could really melt some confidence
in people that have maybe this is their first bitcoin cycle yeah what about the notion
I mean, I think about the long-term value of Bitcoin.
You could everything divide by 21 million
or you can sort of go on any other sort of model
and think, wow, Bitcoin is really undervalued.
To me right now, you know, and I'd say, okay, just I'll wait.
What about the notion that Bitcoin is extremely overvalued right now?
What if Bitcoin is so far ahead of, you know,
we have no history to go on, nothing to compare it to.
I mean, a lot of people say Bitcoin should be doing better than gold.
It should be doing better than the S&P.
There's no rules here.
There's no laws of physics.
Maybe Bitcoin and some other timeline multiverse would only be worth like 10 grand right now.
I mean, 90 grand is a lot of money, even if that's not doing better than on a gold adjusted basis than gold.
Sure.
However it's compared to me, it's still a lot of money.
It's come a long way.
Yeah.
I understand what you're saying.
It could be worth like eight grand right now.
I mean, I understand what you're saying.
I don't, I think when you look at Bitcoin scarcity versus gold scarcity, right?
Like if you want to control gold, like you China, right?
You want to, you find a new mine, you get the permits and you tell miner, go drill and
get, get, spend the CapEx, get the gold for us, right?
And sure.
Gold supply expands and maybe nobody even knows about it because it goes straight to
the, the, or wrap some tungsten and sell it to Britain.
Whatever.
Right.
So there's all these other ways to accumulate gold.
There's only 21 million Bitcoin.
It's not like you can dig up.
Yeah, I mean, it's a game of musical chairs with the lights off.
I mean.
Yeah, well, lights are off.
And you have the opportunity to grab chairs before the music stops.
Musical chairs with the lights on, and you're looking around.
And the chairs are disappearing, and the people are not.
Sure, and you can go stack chairs in the corner for your family.
I mean, you don't have to leave chairs behind.
and you can get more than your share or whatever you want to call it.
You can actually take a chair and go sit in the corner
and be like, you guys play the fucking game.
You can take 10 chairs.
I got my chairs.
Right.
So Bitcoin ends where Bitcoin is always worth one Bitcoin.
Whatever purchasing power gap we generate between fiat and Bitcoin,
between now and whenever the end of the freaking fiat fiasco printing stops,
because that's what I don't hear anybody talk about except for Chris Sullivan, right?
Is that someday, potentially, they don't have to print.
Okay, so but between now and then, we're creating this spread of value,
this gap between fiat dollars put into Bitcoin versus the market multiple.
And that's an increase in your purchasing power.
Well, if the fiat system collapses, if the financial system collapses,
or we get rugged, we get the great takening,
and all those assets get rugged,
you're still going to maintain that spread
because there's only going to be 21 million Bitcoin
and you're going to have some of it.
And fiat is just endless.
Paper securities are endless.
Companies that rely on fiat will go bust.
Bitcoin will still be Bitcoin.
And they'll only still be 21 million.
So you're always going to maintain your purchasing power
and you'll always be able to trade with Bitcoin.
Well, not if things go the way they're going
with the samurai case.
I mean, just, it's a surveillance panopticon
and they're gonna say, you can't move it.
You can't use it.
We'll tax it 99%.
Yeah.
I guess it becomes black market money.
I mean, that's a leave America type situation.
That point, well, is it?
Are we all gonna go live in El Zante?
we're all going to secretly trade on just cyberspace.
We can't really trade in person because we're in gated cities.
I've talked to Bitcoiners that have thought through this,
and they're like, you know,
there could be a point in time in the future
where you do need to hard fork Bitcoin
into a privacy version of Bitcoin.
Right.
So one of Keone's points is we've been spending a lot of time on,
not we, you and me,
but developers on scaling tokens
and not enough time on privacy.
You know, and tools they can't stop.
You know, they put Samurai out of business.
All right, let's move on.
It's one of my favorite topics.
Are we on Tether?
Yeah.
Now they're facing renewed solvency scrutiny.
What do you make of the S&P's downgrade,
sort of reviving old solvency concerns?
I mean, I don't think very much about any of the rating agencies.
And if you read this news piece, it's a hit piece.
It's not research.
It's not data-driven.
And it's completely just somebody funding an article based on being angry
of the fact that, you know, the world is going digital
and the Trumps are part of it.
So take it with a grain of salt.
I think it's the bank industry striking back.
But, you know, Tether's, you know, very wrapped up with Cantor and SoftBank.
It'll be interesting.
And then El Salvador.
Yeah, and Tether is, you know, their issue here is that they're not 100% backed by treasuries.
That's one of the issues, that they're partially backed with Bitcoin and gold.
Do you think Tether's a net positive or a net negative?
Do you like Tether?
Are you weary of Tether?
I'm not leery of Tether.
I'm leery of the...
I mean, they work with the state.
Like extending fiat.
Monetary colonialism.
Yeah.
The negative sides of fiat.
Yeah.
Like, you know, it's a really tough question to kind of deal with because it's like I can completely understand why someone in a third world country would download a wall and go completely on a stable coin system.
Yeah.
Versus their local fiat.
I completely get it.
and they deserve the ability to step function improve in their ability to function financially
and it is kind of like western privilege to be like oh you know it's inflating at seven percent
like fuck you dude my currency is plates at 40 percent of a year like okay i get it do your
stable coin thing um the other side of me is like you know we just need to kill fiat so it's that's
weird things tether's kind of birth was around like sort of helping you get into bitcoin yeah
and stay in sort of maybe the bitcoin ecosystem in a way yeah however you want to look at that
now it's sort of like how do you further the dollar yeah there's a very different sort of
ethos it seems like it doesn't seem like it's really supporting bitcoin at all anymore it's
ethos the enemy of your enemy is your friend sure and it may just be a point in time in history where
this is what needs to happen in order for bitcoin like well doesn't it seem more like a dollar
company than a bitcoin company sure but i'm getting as like bitcoin and crypto are sort of
uniting against an enemy sure right now in order to to get a stronger footing um but you know three
spider-mans squaring off right but at the end of the day like eventually um the fight will continue
you on to the next phase if we but you know we have to we have to move forward with you know and it uh sometimes you can be an idealist in order to succeed Well the only thing less exciting than tether is the yen
I don't know, dude. I think the yen, the yen.
You think this is, uh, well, I mean, this is like the death of a currency, you know,
or just sort of control or the, the, the yen carry trade, the notion that they could just
manipulate this thing.
They're in this tight spot where it's like,
do we raise rates and destroy
our economy or do we lower
rates and print trillions of dollars
and destroy our economy?
Their bond market rates are rising
on their own.
So they're raising rates to try
and suppress the
natural market forces that are
going to take the debt markets.
Well, they're printing a lot of money. A huge stimulus bill.
So this is when we were talking at the beginning
of the show. I think
Japan has some incentive for
war, unfortunately.
When countries have got themselves in these positions,
oftentimes war is the solution.
They're just the dollar
manager of Japan, in a way.
The way you explain it, it's like
you get to be the regional...
Not yet.
They're tied.
They've been tied to the dollar.
And they take direction, it seems like.
100%.
So it's like an outpost.
So I feel like if we don't want them to go to war
in that way,
they'd have to drag like drag us kicking and screaming you know what i mean yeah i think it
would be uh i don't know dude i maybe we want them to go to war so the fed can kind of send
the money i don't want to see money i don't want to see money laundering i don't want to see any
wars anywhere in the world but when i look at the chess table i can see a potential where china
invades taiwan japan says this is existential for our security we support our partner we're
we've got andrel feeding them a bunch of drone weapons and japan we're supporting japan's war
front on in taiwan against china and it becomes this new proxy war with the u.s and china through
via japan i could see that happening i hope that god skips like building a conventional military
and goes like right to drones you're saying they don't really have they use u.s technology like
i literally i literally in the last month saw lucky palmer talking about uh what how you would
defend a taiwan invasion by china on a ted talk and then i see a tweet today about japan saying
if china invaded taiwan it'd be existential for our security and then i see martin armstrong
I'm saying the war is not going to be with Russia.
The war is going to be with China.
Just like going,
Oh my God.
Like they're just feeding the algorithm to like get people prepared for
this.
I don't know.
I mean,
I don't want to,
I don't want to see any of it.
Yeah.
I don't want to see any of this garbage.
It's an interesting angle.
When countries get in these positions,
this tends to happen.
Right.
Yeah.
They seem to need outbreak for these crisis type moments with the
economy.
All right, let's move on to the next one here, the last one. Let's play this clip here.
I'm surrendering, not just physically, but also my sovereignty.
And I'm now their property for the next five years.
And they can do with me essentially what they want.
So you're going to go most likely into a detention center in Brooklyn.
and then eventually get designated to some kind of facility that will be your long-term facility.
I spent several years in the detention centers in Southern District of New York And it going to be a totally alien environment
It's going to be you with about 100 other guys packed into a unit.
And you're going to have to live in this situation.
I guess you said you've talked to people who've been through it.
So I'm sure you've got your strategy figured out.
But, you know, all I'll say is just stand back and observe for the first, you know, couple months.
Get a sense of who's who and how things operate.
and uh you know if somebody tests you then you just you just have to stand up for yourself
yeah so um
i uh
i listened to your interview and i was listening to this and um man it's just i agree with with
what Jesse's saying that you know you don't deserve to be facing what you're facing and
especially because they they dropped the money laundering charge and so all you have
all they all they the only authority they have to put you in prison right now is is the is the
other charge the the money transmission charge and my understanding is that FinCEN
gave you the guidance that you're not breaking that law and fincen gave those prosecutors
the same guidance that you're not breaking any laws um and we all know that you had no custody
of funds which is a you know an element of the offense as far as i understand it um
so the way things stand right now i don't see how anyone can justify sending you to prison for the
next five years on those grounds um so you have my support kioni and uh you know
they're gonna try to put you in prison in two weeks but i hope they don't and and if they do
i i really hope you don't spend any more time in there than than you have to
uh it's really this is not i mean
well hopefully i mean ross chiming in ross albrecht will kind of bring some more attention to it
yeah hopefully he has he has a line to the right some people in the administration
You hope and maybe he'll even go out further for him and make a call.
I don't know how many, I know people that of our class of Bitcoin are aware of this threat.
I don't know how many new people today really comprehend what is lost if we lose the ability to self-custody.
Because really this is what it comes down to, right?
Because that like, FinCEN's guidance that if you're holding your own coins and you're
doing peer to peer transactions you not doing money transmission And that is so important if we lose that ability in bitcoin that um it just another wall street asset at that point right well right now this isn
precedent setting this isn't kind of creating law this isn't so again this is uh yeah but we can't
just at the district level and he pled so there's no win at the even the district level and even at
the district level, the law is that no other district judge has to acknowledge or follow
another district judge's ruling. It would just be a persuasive argument. Could it be appealed in
another jurisdiction? If they won, if the government won and they lost, then that would be sort of
persuasive argument. It wouldn't be precedent. Then if Keone appealed and they took it to the
appellate judge appellate court then the ruling on that would be precedent so right now that's
where roman strong is i think is his name with tornado or uh so that he lost and he's going to
appeal and the outcome of that will set a precedent so this is seems like not personal
but they're sort of using him as a political sort of pawn or prisoner to set sort of a message it
seems like but what this also paints is there could be laws that this is okay and they'll still
come after you if they want to throw you in jail they'll put you in front of the judge they choose
they want to make it uh if they want to make a uh they want to not give you evidence if they want to
they want to make an example out of you
they will, they'll come after you
and they'll strangle you financially
they'll take all your stuff
they'll go after your family
all your family's financial assets
right now, Kony's lucky
he's on bail, he made bail
he's under
home arrest
so he can't leave the house
at least he's home
he could spend some time with his wife and family before going
he goes in on December 19th
reports he just found out where he reports this begins or some way moves on transitions to a
different phase on december 19th and he loses his freedom and he ends up in a cage in about 10 days
um it's interesting to me one thing i haven't i'm guessing he pled out about 72 to 96 or something
like that hours ago because this just seemed to come on really fast in terms of how urgent this
all is that seems to have really developed in the last 72 hours um i don't know why there was less
so much less attention on it weeks ago i'm not saying there was zero but obviously now that
we're in an urgent situation so right there's a petition you could sign uh i think obviously just
you know hopefully natalie brunell will have him on i think she's a great voice for kind of getting
this out just she has a tremendous platform it's more mainstream we need mainstream support
it has to go up bigger than bitcoin and crypto yeah all right uh i don't know if we have any
questions in the chat francis but nothing tonight boys all right man this has been great uh this
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