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If you want to make a difference, you need to start a podcast.

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You need to be listening to podcasts and starting a podcast.

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There's an outdated saying where it's the man in the arena.

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The man in the arena, that was 500 years ago.

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And now it's the man in the studio.

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The man in the studio is the one reshaping the world, or he's going to die trying, essentially.

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I just think there's consequences of the retardation.

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Like that's the only thing that's changed is that it's, it's been super retarded for

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a long time, but people really haven't had an issue with it being retarded because it's

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been relatively comfortable.

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But nothing that we're seeing today is new.

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The TV lying to you, people on the internet lying to you, people lying in general, people

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having strange opinions about things that don't matter.

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None of it's new.

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None of it's, you know, there hasn't been much innovation and retardation, in my opinion.

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It's been stagnant.

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This is just another example of how fiat rings everything.

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What the fuck happened in 1971?

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Well, innovation and retardation is one of the things that stopped going up in 1971.

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So we need to retardation on a hard money standard, on a Bitcoin standard.

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That's what statism is at the end of the day.

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It's trying to wield this vehicle of violence to control other people's behavior.

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and the status are you know becoming increasingly more interested in bitcoin and there's a lot of

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status with strange opinions on how people should have sex the next bitcoin civil war so to say on

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on twitter that you know the psyop pseudo spoofed engagement farming nonsense might be over how

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podcasters need to have or should have sex you can't go on bitcoin twitter anymore without seeing

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somebody exploiting controversy conflict and retardation to try to sell something that maybe

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probably somebody doesn't need is sell your overpriced trinkets to boomers don't do it don't

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sell your overpriced trinkets i think we can make a sizable difference i mean this is this is like

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the exciting thing that bitcoin teaches people is that you can be an active you can be an active

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player in your life you can be an active participant in the world that you can go out

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there and just do things that you don't have to sit around for permission from uh some guy that

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went to epstein island like you can choose what you want to do pursue it and and actually fight

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for it and you have the tools to be able to actually engage in the fight and be successful

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in it i really enjoy it like i i want nothing more than people to send me hate mail to boil it all

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down it's i just want to tell the truth in a way that help that people identify with maybe a little

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bit better and sometimes that's all it takes to kind of break the cognitive dissonance or start

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the process um and i think that's what good journalists should try to do there's a lot of

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people out there that like to uh turn their nose ups to bitcoin podcasters and they like to dismiss

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it realistically you could have a massive impact on somebody's life and the choices that they make

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because you're talking about a subject that actually matters and very few people in the

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media ecosystem are talking about subjects that matter right now opinions are like plaids

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they're all retarded listen to 40 hours of bitcoin podcasts a week smoke cigarettes and read atlas

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shrug twice a year and i think if you do those three things you're going to be incredibly

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successful in the fourth turning you'll be able to survive it you're not going to be

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pleb cannon fodder you're you're going to be incredibly successful

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is that still active i know the the account hasn't been the vibes haven't just been quite

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as high the past month or two i'm wondering what happened the vibes have been a little weird but

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I've got to say in the vibes capital management group chat,

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the vibes have been,

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I've been pretty solid.

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So it is very much still happening.

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It's yeah.

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But the vibes have been weird more broadly,

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right?

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Like it's just been like a,

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People have just got there.

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I think people just love getting their panties in a twist.

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like it makes them feel alive to have a little bit of constructive blood flow

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due to their twisted panties.

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it's kind of how they like derive meaning,

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right?

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Is how many twists can one get in their panties?

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everybody's got their knobs twisted they're getting their knickers tied up in knots and i

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don't know what do what do you think when was when did the divide shift this summer because we had we

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had a great beginning of the summer we had paper bitcoin summer and then everything just kind of

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flatlined we had a plateau with divides by its capital management way less active on uh on the

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timeline but it sounds like they were active in the group chats and that's what it seems like to

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me is that right now all the good alpha all the good content is actually in the group chats it's

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not on a timeline and the timeline is just full of nothing burgers and and failed announcements

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and announcements of announcements that have also failed you know i think i think the vibe shifted

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when everybody started calling everybody else pedos like that was probably like for me that

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was when it was like huh okay like we're at that stage where it's like i disagree with you so you

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are a paydo however they spell it in the uk because i think they what else do they call them

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over there is it is it a nonce is that the word for it which is like funny from like a bitcoin

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perspective because you know we have like nonces in the technical sense and in the uk they've got

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them in the pervert sense so like that's kind of neat i refuse to speak british i won't do it

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either i speak american thank you very much i mean my last name i literally legally changed it

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to america it used to be walker uh england but i was told that saying the word england was actually

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hate speech in the united kingdom so i had to change it for legal reasons and then i was like

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well i'll just make it america i'm not going to let you colonize my name you sons of bitches

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i i wonder you know we talked about this a little bit before we went live but you have a very

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seductive podcast voice like i think you i think between your modeling career and your voice

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we haven't had a good Marlboro cowboy in decades.

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And it seems like, it sounds like you smoke Marlboros.

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You have that gritty, seductive Marlboro voice.

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Have you reached out to them?

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Has there been any conversation about being the next Marlboro cowboy?

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The Marlboro man.

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I would start smoking Marbs again.

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I know I was a Marlite kind of guy, right?

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Just because you can run through a pack of them without breaking a sweat, right?

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but I would probably start smoking Marbs again just, you know,

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if they sponsored me, because like you, as a Bitcoin podcast,

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you have to go above and beyond for your sponsor.

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So if they were like, we need you down in a pack per podcast,

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I'd be like, yeah, I'll do that. I would ideally,

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you know who my ideal sponsor is? Well, it'd probably be the cool,

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refreshing taste of a fine Pilsner beer, Miller Lite, you know,

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I mean, that's just an American beer, you know,

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But this is what I would like.

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If I heard you talented well that you were looking, did you get that?

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Is that your free palate of Miller Lite?

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Did it come through?

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Or are you still hoping for that to come through?

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I wish.

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I'm still hoping for it to come through.

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But I did get a box of Peony Lane wine from Ben Justman.

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Or as I like to say, Peon My Lane wine.

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Peon My Lane wine.

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What's the difference between a chickpea and a garbanzo bean?

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I've never had a garbanzo bean on my face.

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I've never made a chickpea.

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There you go.

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If Ben Justin is listening right now,

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you are welcome for the very appropriate advertising.

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Feel free to use that in all of your next infomercials.

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Do they still do infomercials?

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Actually, I haven't watched like, quote, cable TV in so long.

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Is that still a thing?

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I think we need to bring it back.

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I think.

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Like for Bitcoin maybe?

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the hardware wallet infomercials the paper bitcoin infomercials it's if there's one thing

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that boomers this is how we get the wealth out of the hands of the boomers if there's one thing

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that boomers want it's infomercials like they're bored they're sitting in their retirement homes

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their grandkids aren't calling them you can only watch so much uh network news and and sports ball

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They're going to get tired of it and they're going to want to figure out what to do with their time.

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Besides that, infomercials are a great, great release for them.

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And if we hit them with Bitcoin infomercials, it'll be awesome.

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We've got to package it in a way that makes...

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I remember all those infomercials.

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I think even South Park did an episode on this with all the repurposed Indian gold and stuff.

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It's a great episode.

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but like we got to find some way to really boomerize Bitcoin a little bit you know like

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there it I think it has to be physical like you've almost got to give them like like a coin and say

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like like one of those casatious coins you know but with like a couple sats on it now and like

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because I think they need to touch it right because that's like the classic boomer thing

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is like well I can't touch it and I only like things I can touch and so I don't think I want

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any of them bitty coins and you know I don't but at the same time like okay I struggle with this

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because on the one hand, I'm like, I would like to help boomers.

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On the other hand, I'm like, oh, you've been helped pretty well

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by the last like 50 years of monetary policy.

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And like, you know, you bought your house for two raspberries

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and, you know, I have to sell my second born child

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because I wouldn't sell my first, obviously,

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but I have to sell my second born to, you know, buy a home.

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Don't have him yet, but he's already promised just to the bank,

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you know, and, you know, the wife made a fuss about it,

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But it's like, honey, you want a home or do you want to have that child?

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You know, and the bank will raise them.

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Well, they will.

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They will teach them to be a banker.

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But, yeah, I digress.

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I don't even remember what I was talking about before I started.

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I think that's a great idea.

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And I think the info, like think about two VC, like how many boomers spend.

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You've got two types of boomers.

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You've got the boomers who want to spend all their Social Security at the slot machines in Vegas.

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We saw those at the Bitcoin conference, right?

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And you got the other type of boomer who they want to sit on in their couch or on their lazy boy at home and they want to watch QVC and just buy crap that, you know, that they see for sale on QVC.

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So why don't we, this is my solution. Why don't we set up strike and have their social security checks sent straight to their strike wallet, converted to Bitcoin. And then on TVC, you just put up a, you know, a lightning invoice and then you can get, you know, your precious moment trinkets. You can get some new, um, you know, expensive decorations for your Christmas tree, uh, because boomers love the war on Christmas.

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They act like they get angry about it, but they love to be consumers to support a cause.

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And I think if we bring and make it possible for Bitcoin or for boomers to spend their Bitcoin as consumers for a cause, I think that is how we can really, I think, kickstart the medium of exchange habit.

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We need to get those consumer spending habits.

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And I think it starts with the boomers.

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I think that's kind of really brilliant.

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Like this is how we orange pill the next wave.

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It's about QVC, but for Bitcoin.

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I think it's pretty brilliant.

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And, you know, again, these things are, people love the nostalgia of these things, right?

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It's like, oh, like this is hearkening back to a simpler time, right?

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If maybe it was a less, like a less retarded time, it was probably just as equally retarded.

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But like in retrospect, maybe everything, I don't know.

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in retrospect do things seem more retarded or less would you say i think it's about the same

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personally and i just think there's consequences of the retardation like that's the only thing

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that's changed is that it's it's been super retarded for a long time but people really haven't

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had an issue with it being retarded because it's been relatively comfortable

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but nothing that we're seeing today is new the tv lying to you people on the internet lying to you

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people lying in general people having strange opinions about things that don't matter

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none of it's new none of it's you know there hasn't been much innovation and retardation

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in my opinion uh it's been been stagnant and uh i think it's a it's an improper you know framing

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I mean, it's just, yeah, things are falling apart.

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And, yeah, there's consequences to it.

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This is why when things are comfortable, it's important to have standards.

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Because you get to places like this because nonsense is put up with it.

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Or people just put up with it in general.

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And this is why, this is just another example of how fiat rings everything.

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You know, what the fuck happened in 1971?

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Well, innovation and retardation is one of the things that stopped going up in 1971.

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So we need to retardation on a hard money standard, on a Bitcoin standard, because right now it's just very, you know, Michael Saylor likes to say it's not the remote dynamically sound.

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It means there is like energy leak in the system.

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So everybody is trying to monetize conflict and monetize retardation to sell some swag, to sell some merch, to sell a hardware wallet, whatever it is, to sell a node.

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And that's just what's happening now.

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Like it's even it's infected the Bitcoin ecosystem.

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You can't go on Bitcoin Twitter anymore without seeing somebody exploiting controversy, conflict and retardation to try to sell, you know, something that maybe probably, you know, somebody doesn't need is sell your overpriced trinkets to boomers.

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Don't do it.

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Don't sell your overpriced trinkets.

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I think that's really the takeaway message here is that we should be exploiting the boomer class and extracting as much wealth from them as possible, not exploiting our fellow plebs and extracting wealth from them.

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It's like this needs to be a concerted effort of wealth extraction from the boomers.

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Otherwise, we're just, you know, what are we doing?

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We're playing right into the boomers' hands.

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This is what they want is to extract value from, you know, for us to extract it from each other.

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When in reality, like we don't need a circular value extraction economy amongst ourselves.

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we need a drain the value from the teats of the boomers those you know gorge teats of their of

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those boomers filled with all that fiat we need to be sucking as much value out of there as possible

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and yes that that teat may be toxic but you know what we convert it to the hardest money that's ever

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existed and then it's okay it's been it's been neutralized it's been sterilized it's been made

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palatable really it's you know it's turning that dirty swamp water into potable water and i think

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that's what we really have to or or into a fine ice cold refreshing fine pilsner beer known as a

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miller light that's what i'd like to see yeah i think there's a there's a negative connotation

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with the word extraction which i don't think is uh is fair and i think it's important like you can

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you get in there's negative connotation with the word exploit but you just have you have to identify

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who has the money and you have to provide value to them and i think the key is uh to do it honestly

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like we don't we don't have to all uh go out there and you know spam all these uh you know

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ignorant boomers with calls like hey you know i'm your uh nephew or or grandchild in jail like send

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us all your bitcoin or whatever so that we can get out like that's that's dishonest i think it's

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important not to agree it's not helpful to be misleading because that type of behavior just

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leads to degeneracy and nonsense but like you know you're identifying what the boomers want they like

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bingo they like slot machines they like uh infomercials they like postcards postcards is a

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really uh great strategy bumper stickers they like uh stance virtue stance stance

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you just create products for boomers and uh and they'll give you they they like uh cliche wall

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hangings live laugh stack maybe would be like a nice one like there you go i don't know what is

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that a billion dollar idea right there a two billion but he's out for free hello friends

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So thank you.

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boomers have never heard the the phrase you never sell your bitcoin and a lot of people are there

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you know we maybe we can get into this later maybe this isn't the time but we're passionate advocates

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for bitcoin podcasts we think that more people need to listen to bitcoin podcasts they need to

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listen to at least 40 hours of week or per week of bitcoin podcasts and we need more bitcoin

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podcasters but the the the ripe target demo here is the boomer clucks i mean we're talking about

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you know we need more infomercials we need tvc saps for stamps you can make a bitcoin podcast

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that is essentially just a live stream on youtube that's you know the same as pvc you could sell

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you know etsy or you could sell you know asinol gold big fan of the bugle you know he he makes

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lots of anonymous masks

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art and you

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could sell that to boomers. Boomers love stuff like that.

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so ripe for

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exploiting in the

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the healthy sense, the thermodynamically

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sound sense.

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It's a wholesome exploitation because you can't

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actually exploit the boomer if you're

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giving them something of value. Like you said, I think if you're

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ripping them off, if you're doing

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one of those, if you're running

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an Indian call center and you're using it to rip off boomers like that's not cool man like that's

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obviously not cool but you giving them little tchotchkes and for sats like I'm sorry but that's

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a win-win they're gonna buy the tchotchkes anyway sats may as well flow the sats must in fact flow

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so why should they not be flowing for boomer tchotchkes right I think that's really the

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question we all have to ask ourselves yeah you can sell you can even do you know fever loans

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people love to sell expensive caskets and funeral.

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Would you rather spend your sets at, you know,

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$110,000 USDT exchange rate today for a coffin?

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Would you rather buy a coffin for 250,000 USDT per Bitcoin?

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It's, you know, in a deflationary world, you know, it's, it's, I don't know,

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maybe that's backwards, but I think that they'll understand the logic.

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the key is basically buy your coffin sooner in fiat or later in bitcoin maybe i think i think

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we're getting there right yeah yeah something like that sounds right funeral homes with services

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priced in sats maybe maybe there we go we're just honestly i don't even know we should maybe get off

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air because we're giving out too many good business ideas here but you know what that's just like i

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I feel like people need to recognize that as a Bitcoin podcaster, which we all are, this is what you do, right?

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You just give out great ideas for free.

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You give out all this alpha.

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You try to encourage more people to be Bitcoin podcasters to give out more alpha.

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And that's just a virtuous cycle of Bitcoin podcasters podcasting about Bitcoin podcasting.

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And I think that more people need to get into that virtuous cycle because that is the true, you know, accretive circular economy that we need to build.

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It's just all – everyone's a Bitcoin podcaster basically.

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And once we kind of reach that, I feel like the world just gets a whole lot better.

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Like imagine a world on a Bitcoin podcaster standard.

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What does it look like?

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I bet it looks pretty damn sweet.

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Pretty damn sweet.

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I think we need to give these guys as many business ideas as possible

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so they quit smoking weed and get off the couch

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and stop arguing with each other about nonsense.

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There a lot more productive things to do than being grumpy and being stuck I say amen to that and there is a lot of just general grumpiness i don even do we even want to say the word that starts with a silent k

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on this on this show or or do we or do we just want to avoid it entirely do we want to talk about

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it by not talking about it i guess is what i'm asking or do we want to just not talk about it

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by not talking about it it's hard to it's hard to avoid because hard forks are quote unquote all

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the rage right now and there's a lot there's all kinds there's drama over it's there's all this

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meta drama that surrounds the main drama right like you've got whose girlfriend is reporting

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this news who are our journalists allowed to have sex or cordat is allowed to have sex are

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people allowed to pee in your mempool do you have to there's so much meta drama here

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that I think we could talk about all of it without actually having to say the word.

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If for every time we, yeah, we need to like every time somebody accidentally says the

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word, you need to like, instead of like getting to have a drink or rip a nice Marlboro grit,

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you can't do that for like at least the next couple minutes, you know?

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So how about that?

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Yeah.

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You have to add one hour to your podcast listening for the next week.

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Well, see, no, that's all, that's also a positive thing, right?

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Like then I'm just going to be saying the word all the time, but we'll, we'll, we'll let, we'll let people, pardon me, let them come up with their own punishments.

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But actually, so maybe a good place to start just speaking of sex is somebody asked the question, which I thought was, uh, was really fair.

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Let me find it here.

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Uh, why are Bitcoin podcasters allowed to have sex, but not Bitcoin developers discuss?

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Or is the answer self-evident?

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You know?

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Personally, I believe that cord devs should be allowed to have sex.

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Podcasters and cord devs should both be allowed to have sex.

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It's not me that has these hypocritical rules for others.

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It's other people.

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It is the quote-unquote silent K side of the group.

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They don't believe that cord devs should be allowed to have sex.

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But I know that I know that Richard, you know, you kind of covered this topic in the emergency spaces last night.

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Like what was the what was like the vibe last night about this topic?

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Can I also just say I was literally like as I'm about to head to bed after a long night of editing Bitcoin podcasts, people don't realize that you burn the midnight oil when you're a Bitcoin podcaster.

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Wife and child are peacefully asleep.

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You're up for another several hours, just Bitcoin podcasting stuff all around.

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and I saw this space pop up like right as I was like about to brush my teeth and I was like,

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I want to join it so badly. But if I do, then I won't sleep for several hours. So I, I hope I,

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I missed it. And, uh, and I want to apologize for that because I should have, you know,

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it's like the triangle of choices that you can make. It's like, do you Bitcoin podcast? Do you

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sleep or do you listen to Bitcoin podcasts? And you can only pick two out of those three, right?

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So I should have gone with make Bitcoin podcast, listen to Bitcoin podcast, get rid of sleep,

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but I made the wrong choice and I want to apologize.

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Well, I had the same dilemma last night.

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I think I might've made the wrong choice by having the space instead of making

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Bitcoin podcasts. Uh, I've got some editing backlog that I need to work.

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Technically the space was a Bitcoin podcast though, actually. So sure.

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You know, um, yeah, you know, the, the, the mood was interesting.

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I had Shinobi and, uh, Frank Corva up and we were discussing the institution of

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journalism and uh just the kind of uh backhanded passive aggressive responses that that came out

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yesterday and i just think it's a weird one

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this is one of those things that's going to be really interesting with bitcoin going forward

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as it gets more adopted is you have a lot of people with differing viewpoints oftentimes

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incompatible with each other and one of those ones is you know people feeling like they have

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the the moral authority to determine how people can and can't have sex and um we've seen this

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in religion across the board like you know there's these muslim countries like saudi arabia that

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will uh you know use uh uh corporal punishment publicly you know based on on people's sex life

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there's there's certain religions that are very aggressive on this uh this front and you're gonna

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have a lot of people you know that think that they can uh dictate what other people can do like you

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know it's that's what statism is at the end of the day is it's uh you know trying to wield

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this vehicle of violence to control other people's behavior and

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the status are you know becoming increasingly more interested in bitcoin

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and there's a lot of status with strange opinions on how people should have sex and so

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the only reason why i talk about it people people have asked me why am i so obsessed with sex

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and i'm really not but i i feel like there's these narratives that are being propagated

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trying to dictate what people can and can't do that need to be shut down

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quickly because if they fester you know the the the next um you know bitcoin civil war so to say

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on on twitter that you know the psyop pseudo spoofed you know engagement farming nonsense

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might be over how podcasters need to have sex or should have sex and like this is the yeah right

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like yeah it's it's all these religions that you talk about they have a lot some of them have

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clergy in these or they have the priests and the priests are supposed to take a vow of celibacy

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and there's various reasons for that and they some people in this debate they view core devs

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or anybody who knows how to code as having access to this special skill this special communication

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with the digital world this abstract bridge between reality and and and technology and they

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they consider the core devs almost like a priesthood and they treat luke kind of like the

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You know, Galou doesn't believe that there is a pope right now who is legitimate.

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He doesn't think the pope is legitimate.

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And some of his followers kind of see him as their pope.

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And on that side of it, I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right, the set of a cantist.

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They also don't believe that the pope is legitimate.

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They have an empty chair, the holy chair.

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They believe that the holy chair, that nobody can sit in the holy chair until spam is completely defeated.

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And nobody can sit down until the job is done.

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It's kind of like somebody else made this remark to CoinJoin Chris on Twitter the other day.

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But it's kind of like the opposite of sell all your chairs for Bitcoin.

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um and it but it's if there's just too much there's too much religionizing or sacredizing

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of of core devs when anybody can be accorded you don't have to go to uh you know the

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the seminary to be a core dev you don't have to go to jimmy song's coding boot camp

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if you want to be a core dev you just do it and yet once they become core devs they don't want

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them to be able to go to the seminary it's hypocritical it's very hypocritical the seminary

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is permissionless they all other than the person that you're you're you're going to the seminary

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with as long as they have but that other than that nobody should be able to tell you that you

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can't go to the seminary exactly i don't know if seminaries are real but for the purpose of

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this conversation i think we all know what we're talking about um no it's uh it all i think it all

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kind of comes back to vibes, right? And this is not just because I'm talking my book as the SVP,

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Senior Vibes Podcaster of Vibes Capital Management. I am talking my book a little bit, but my book is

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just vibes, really, right? And I think that's the important thing to just preface this conversation

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with, but it does all come back to vibes. And I think for anyone who is viewing this objectively,

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you can look at this debate, war, mutual attack, whatever we want to call it,

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discussion uh and say that there's there's one side that just has some vibes that are a bit off

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and and off in a like an off-putting way like vibes where you're like whoa like it's like you

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know like you're at the bar and like there's like you're you know there with your friends and you're

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smoking hot wife my smoking hot wife i mean like you guys aren't there with my smoking hot wife i

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am stay back uh but you know you're there and there's just some dude in the corner is kind of

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like and you're like that guy what is it about him there's a there's a phrase in romanian

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my smoking hot wife's romanian it's a face that begs for a slapping and to be clear i'm not

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advocating for violence here um but i will use words that could be viewed as violent by some

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liberals which is that some people's opinions just beg for a slapping because they're just

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you know, everybody's entitled to your opinion, right? But you know, like everyone's dad says,

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like, opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got them and they all stink. And it's like,

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go then get a bidet, dad. Like, just get a bidet like the Europeans do. Jesus, like,

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don't give into the toilet paper industrial complex. That's a whole different rabbit hole

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there. We don't need to get into it now. And honestly, we'll be, you know, unalived if we do.

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But the moral of the story here is I think that it's very clear that a certain group of people,

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I'll leave it up to the listener to decide which group that is, has vibes that are bad right now.

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And I'm not saying the other side has these impeccable, perfect vibes.

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It's not what I'm saying.

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Just that objectively looking at this from a vibes-based assessment, again, it's what I know.

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It's what I do at Vibes Capital Management.

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The vibes are bad.

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The vibes are bad.

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And I don't feel the need to elaborate on why they're bad any further.

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Like you either sense the bad vibes or you don't, right?

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like so you don't if you don't believe me you don't get it i don't have time to explain it to

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you sorry like yeah the the saying that your dad has about opinions um you know shinobi has a he

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told me a really good one it's kind of an updated version it's uh you know opinions are like plaids

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they're all retarded that's much better i'm gonna tell my dad that he's gonna love it

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yeah i think what we've seen over and over just watching the general psyop industrial complex is

420
00:32:45,727 --> 00:32:52,007
the people with the bad vibes tend to have the most voice in our culture and society because

421
00:32:52,007 --> 00:32:56,327
they're the most active they're the most mobilized the people the good vibes don't feel

422
00:32:56,327 --> 00:33:02,927
like it's necessary to do as much work they're not going to be yelling at people on social media

423
00:33:02,927 --> 00:33:10,247
trying to skew perspectives and so i think it's really important to be cognizant of people with

424
00:33:10,247 --> 00:33:16,187
bad vibes you know question their agendas um i think some of them are just cannon fodder

425
00:33:16,187 --> 00:33:23,207
and i think some of them might actually either you know just be opportunists or actually malicious

426
00:33:23,207 --> 00:33:32,487
in some way trying to uh drive an agenda and um yeah i mean nobody wants to hang out with people

427
00:33:32,487 --> 00:33:38,767
with bad vibes and you see this happen over and over in social groups where oftentimes there's

428
00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:44,627
there's people that tolerate the person with the bad vibes they get invited to the party over and

429
00:33:44,627 --> 00:33:49,307
over again even though that they're annoying and they they lecture you about something you don't

430
00:33:49,307 --> 00:33:57,287
care about and for whatever reason they but then the second that somebody stands up and says

431
00:33:57,287 --> 00:34:07,447
hey you suck you've got bad vibes the whole crowd turns on them and the vibe check is very uh very

432
00:34:07,447 --> 00:34:15,047
effective it's very effective and uh in many ways it gives people permission to to not tolerate bad

433
00:34:15,047 --> 00:34:21,927
vibes yeah shout out to bitpain he is like the uh he is the chief of vibe checker on the timeline

434
00:34:21,927 --> 00:34:27,887
He kind of stays out of most of the back and forth, the node span and stuff.

435
00:34:28,007 --> 00:34:32,007
But once he comes out and vibe checks, it's usually a signal.

436
00:34:33,067 --> 00:34:36,207
I mean, he's a vibes tastemaker, really.

437
00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:40,527
And as one of the founding, you know, as one of the co-founders of Vibes Capital Management,

438
00:34:40,707 --> 00:34:44,967
like I really look up to him as that kind of as a vibes leader, right?

439
00:34:44,967 --> 00:34:51,807
um and and i think it's uh your your the earlier point that was made about people with good vibes

440
00:34:51,807 --> 00:34:56,847
don't necessarily feel the need to like make their good vibes like known because like that

441
00:34:56,847 --> 00:35:01,747
would be a bad vibe to be like you don't need to shove your shove your vibe in other people's faces

442
00:35:01,747 --> 00:35:07,047
if the vibes are good like good vibes are self-evident and kind of self-perpetuating

443
00:35:07,047 --> 00:35:11,407
but the people with bad vibes because their vibes are so bad they need to get out there they need to

444
00:35:11,407 --> 00:35:15,647
be pushing what they don't realize as because of course nobody thinks that they have bad vibes

445
00:35:15,647 --> 00:35:19,727
right everybody thinks their vibes are good but some people's vibes are bad and some people's

446
00:35:19,727 --> 00:35:23,587
vibes are good and the people with the bad vibes it's like the normie that doesn't know they're a

447
00:35:23,587 --> 00:35:27,627
normie like people with bad vibes don't know they have bad vibes mid curvers don't know they're

448
00:35:27,627 --> 00:35:33,587
mid curve as american hodl hodl said and i always like to say hodl hodl just because one is the

449
00:35:33,587 --> 00:35:37,147
correct pronunciation one is how he identifies and i told him i will respect that absolutely

450
00:35:37,147 --> 00:35:43,127
but like the normie doesn't know they're normie the mid curver has never heard of the mid curve

451
00:35:43,127 --> 00:35:47,787
you know of the bell curve meme like the bad vibes person doesn't know they have bad vibes

452
00:35:47,787 --> 00:35:51,727
they think their vibes are good or they've probably just never even heard of vibes period

453
00:35:51,727 --> 00:35:57,487
maybe that's it they actually just don't even know that a vibes based perspective of the world exists

454
00:35:57,487 --> 00:36:01,467
when in fact everyone with good vibes knows that that is the only way to progress through the world

455
00:36:01,467 --> 00:36:06,027
and so you almost feel bad for these people because it's like the you know it's it's like

456
00:36:06,027 --> 00:36:09,667
they're they're they're colorblind but but they don't know it and they and they wouldn't even even

457
00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:12,487
if you told them they were colorblind they wouldn't even know what a color is they can't

458
00:36:12,487 --> 00:36:17,467
even conceptualize of what they are blind to because they literally have no way of knowing

459
00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:22,547
it like your vibes blind basically did we just quote a new term vibes blind i think we like yeah

460
00:36:22,547 --> 00:36:28,507
it's it's um and a lot of people have heard of vibes but they don't understand them and it's

461
00:36:28,507 --> 00:36:34,647
kind of like uh the comparison i would make would be like the guy who wears the this is what a male

462
00:36:34,647 --> 00:36:40,547
feminist looks like t-shirt and goes to the bar and he's telling women he's like i'm a male feminist

463
00:36:40,547 --> 00:36:47,647
i stand for women's rights and if you really were an ally to women if you were out there making your

464
00:36:47,647 --> 00:36:53,347
note available for women to use uh in a safe and secure manner you don't have to tell them

465
00:36:53,347 --> 00:37:00,367
they you don't you don't have to advertise good vibes good vibe like you said it correctly

466
00:37:00,367 --> 00:37:02,287
So good vibes are self-evident.

467
00:37:02,507 --> 00:37:11,587
And kind of anybody who comes into your sphere, into your gravitational pull, will sense those good vibes or they won't.

468
00:37:12,467 --> 00:37:22,327
And you also can't, if you accuse them or if you are accused of having bad vibes, there's no defense against it because vibes are, it's an instinctual thing.

469
00:37:22,427 --> 00:37:24,067
You feel the vibe in your gut.

470
00:37:24,587 --> 00:37:25,867
And it's either good or bad.

471
00:37:25,867 --> 00:37:36,067
and you some people are better at trusting their gut or being able to you know parse signal from

472
00:37:36,067 --> 00:37:41,947
noise when it comes to their instincts but at the end of the day one of the easiest ones to sense

473
00:37:41,947 --> 00:37:48,487
is the vibe you feel it in your gut and you know it pretty instinctually yeah it really is like

474
00:37:48,487 --> 00:37:53,887
i wondered that i would love to see a study as to how vibes based assessments can actually be

475
00:37:53,887 --> 00:37:58,707
trace back to the microbiome of the gut. And I did hear that RFK Jr. is working on this. It is part

476
00:37:58,707 --> 00:38:04,767
of kind of his Maha movement is really tracing that, you know, those vibes based assessment and

477
00:38:04,767 --> 00:38:10,587
the creation of good vibes back to the microbiome of the gut. How many Marlboros a day and how many

478
00:38:10,587 --> 00:38:15,287
Miller lights a day do you need to ingest in order to achieve the perfectly balanced microbiome?

479
00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:19,047
I don't know. The scientists are working on this. I'm not a scientist. I'm just a podcaster.

480
00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:20,767
It's a harder job than scientist.

481
00:38:21,607 --> 00:38:23,767
I think that a lot of people don't talk about this.

482
00:38:23,827 --> 00:38:27,227
And it's, you know, it's nice when you can have Bitcoin podcasters podcasting about Bitcoin

483
00:38:27,227 --> 00:38:32,347
podcasting because we're some of the few people it's like, oh, doctors are out there, you know,

484
00:38:32,407 --> 00:38:36,307
saving lives, undoubtedly, but they can only save one life at a time.

485
00:38:36,687 --> 00:38:41,387
How many lives can a Bitcoin podcaster save with just one Bitcoin podcast?

486
00:38:42,427 --> 00:38:46,527
And the pressure that that puts on you, it can be overwhelming at times.

487
00:38:46,527 --> 00:38:52,367
and that's I think also why the good vibes are so important because good vibes save lives and bad

488
00:38:52,367 --> 00:38:59,507
vibes kill people and that's just the reality of it it's very important to understand the

489
00:38:59,507 --> 00:39:06,507
responsibility as a bitcoin podcaster that we all play and there's a lot of people out there that

490
00:39:06,507 --> 00:39:14,167
like to turn their nose ups to bitcoin podcasters and they like to dismiss it and I think instead of

491
00:39:14,167 --> 00:39:20,167
saying that there's too many bitcoin podcasts or bitcoin podcasters suck or you know whatever it is

492
00:39:20,167 --> 00:39:26,727
like have some fair criticism of individuals if somebody is doing something you don't think is uh

493
00:39:26,727 --> 00:39:34,327
good then criticize them for it and in and try and encourage them to be better because

494
00:39:34,327 --> 00:39:42,367
realistically you know you could have a massive impact on somebody's life and the choices that

495
00:39:42,367 --> 00:39:50,807
they make because you're talking about a subject that actually matters and in very few people in

496
00:39:50,807 --> 00:40:00,367
the media ecosystem are talking about subjects that matter right now very very few and it's just

497
00:40:00,367 --> 00:40:05,887
important to understand that like you you need when you're when you're going into the podcast

498
00:40:05,887 --> 00:40:09,307
studio you need to understand that if you're taking this seriously

499
00:40:09,307 --> 00:40:17,947
you might be in a history book someday the children in the citadel schools might be reading

500
00:40:17,947 --> 00:40:22,527
about you like they read about the founding fathers like it's not do you want to be a

501
00:40:22,527 --> 00:40:29,247
benedict arnold type person or do you want to be oh sorry now here i am cutting off a fellow

502
00:40:29,247 --> 00:40:35,527
bitcoin podcaster a thousand pardons sir continue it's just all it is is it's a big responsibility

503
00:40:35,527 --> 00:40:52,327
You'll have to think about the legacy that you're leaving and the consequences of the things that you do and say it's an absolutely massive responsibility that we've undertaken by engaging in the media world.

504
00:40:52,327 --> 00:40:59,587
yeah i mean peter mcormack changed my life i came in guy swan literally those were the two bitcoin

505
00:40:59,587 --> 00:41:06,007
podcasts that i started out with because you know as an american like listening to a british uh a

506
00:41:06,007 --> 00:41:11,067
british person because just of that like you have a little bit of that uh colonial mentality still

507
00:41:11,067 --> 00:41:15,147
where you think they're automatically smarter than you and then you once you meet enough british

508
00:41:15,147 --> 00:41:19,967
people you realize oh no okay i see what's really happening here um but peter peter's different

509
00:41:19,967 --> 00:41:27,707
But look at Peter. He's gone from Bitcoin podcaster to now Bitcoin Batman to maybe saving England.

510
00:41:28,707 --> 00:41:34,547
So, you know, don't tell me that Bitcoin podcasters can't change the world because I'm watching it happen every single day.

511
00:41:34,667 --> 00:41:35,587
And it's beautiful.

512
00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:38,907
Yes. And Peter is a great, I agree with you.

513
00:41:38,987 --> 00:41:45,527
You know, there's a lot of people still today who will have a lot of criticisms of Peter McCormick.

514
00:41:45,527 --> 00:41:50,207
And I think all those criticisms have already been discussed on Bitcoin podcasts for the past five years.

515
00:41:50,827 --> 00:41:52,907
But no Bitcoin podcaster is perfect.

516
00:41:53,347 --> 00:41:55,207
Everybody is going to make mistakes.

517
00:41:55,387 --> 00:42:04,527
But what he didn't do is he is the platonic ideal of a good Bitcoin podcaster is someone with a child's mind.

518
00:42:05,447 --> 00:42:10,367
Peter approached every episode, every interview like a fresh noob.

519
00:42:10,767 --> 00:42:12,027
He doesn't understand Xbox.

520
00:42:12,547 --> 00:42:14,767
He doesn't understand how to run a node.

521
00:42:14,767 --> 00:42:21,167
I don't think you could ever figure out how to open and balance a lightning channel and people criticize him for things like that.

522
00:42:21,167 --> 00:42:31,147
But, you know, it's important to have somebody ask questions from that perspective, because that is what all these listeners are thinking about over and over and over.

523
00:42:31,207 --> 00:42:37,967
Now, how many times you watch BTC sessions with his A.I. muscles doing like a hardware wall tutorial.

524
00:42:37,967 --> 00:42:42,787
When you go to do it yourself, the stakes are much higher because it's your SAT.

525
00:42:42,887 --> 00:42:53,234
It your money It your savings So when you doing every little connection every little setup some people you know they sweat their hands are shaking because they don do it often enough

526
00:42:53,774 --> 00:42:57,654
But there's also to take into consideration,

527
00:42:57,654 --> 00:42:59,734
like the criticisms I talked about of Peter,

528
00:42:59,814 --> 00:43:00,674
because some of them are fair.

529
00:43:00,754 --> 00:43:02,234
When you are a Bitcoin podcaster,

530
00:43:03,154 --> 00:43:06,414
a lot of times the Bitcoin podcaster themselves

531
00:43:06,414 --> 00:43:09,414
actually plays into that, you know,

532
00:43:09,614 --> 00:43:12,974
dismissive, condescending attitude about a Bitcoin podcast

533
00:43:12,974 --> 00:43:14,494
I'm just a Bitcoin podcaster.

534
00:43:14,534 --> 00:43:15,594
You shouldn't listen to me.

535
00:43:15,954 --> 00:43:17,194
I'm just a Bitcoin podcaster.

536
00:43:17,274 --> 00:43:21,294
You shouldn't get your advice about how you're going to spend your life savings, but the people do.

537
00:43:22,194 --> 00:43:27,754
And that's why, you know, when I say Peter, you know, changed my life for the better and for the worse.

538
00:43:27,834 --> 00:43:29,834
I mean, I was on BlockFi.

539
00:43:30,134 --> 00:43:31,334
That changed my life.

540
00:43:31,834 --> 00:43:40,234
But I'm a Bitcoin podcaster now, and it's the best decision I've ever made, which definitely outweighs the BlockFi stuff.

541
00:43:40,234 --> 00:43:45,894
I think the best decisions, at least for me, the things that have been most impactful in my life,

542
00:43:45,894 --> 00:43:51,414
it's like meeting my wife and marrying her, having a beautiful child together,

543
00:43:51,914 --> 00:43:58,834
starting a Bitcoin podcast. And after that, it's like the level of impactfulness of life events

544
00:43:58,834 --> 00:44:03,334
just drops off a cliff, right? Because those are kind of those foundational events, those trifecta

545
00:44:03,334 --> 00:44:09,274
of events that once you have those, it's like, you're pretty well set. Like directionally,

546
00:44:09,274 --> 00:44:15,674
your life is on the right track. And I think it's a very important thing about the, I think about

547
00:44:15,674 --> 00:44:23,334
this a lot, you don't want to fuck over your fellow plebs, right? Because every Bitcoin podcaster,

548
00:44:23,494 --> 00:44:30,734
most of us anyway, we're once plebs and we still are plebs. And this is why I start off every

549
00:44:30,734 --> 00:44:34,674
episode with a prerecorded version of me saying greetings and salutations, my fellow plebs.

550
00:44:34,674 --> 00:44:37,474
because like we all start from there.

551
00:44:37,794 --> 00:44:39,614
Maybe there's a couple of us who didn't,

552
00:44:39,734 --> 00:44:41,934
but okay, by and large, we all start from there.

553
00:44:42,034 --> 00:44:43,354
And the last thing you ever want to do

554
00:44:43,354 --> 00:44:44,714
is to screw over your fellow plebs.

555
00:44:44,754 --> 00:44:45,754
You don't want to fuck them over.

556
00:44:46,154 --> 00:44:48,134
You don't want to screw over the people

557
00:44:48,134 --> 00:44:49,554
who have put their trust in you,

558
00:44:49,634 --> 00:44:54,074
who give you part of their absolutely scarce 40 hours per week.

559
00:44:54,214 --> 00:44:55,494
They're giving you a piece of that.

560
00:44:55,574 --> 00:44:57,074
I mean, 40 hours per week,

561
00:44:57,194 --> 00:44:59,714
that's more scarce than Bitcoin in many ways

562
00:44:59,714 --> 00:45:01,174
because what does it come down to?

563
00:45:01,314 --> 00:45:02,774
That's a piece of your life

564
00:45:02,774 --> 00:45:04,994
and your life is certainly more scarce than Bitcoin.

565
00:45:05,494 --> 00:45:09,974
Furthermore, your life is necessarily an unknown scarcity.

566
00:45:10,634 --> 00:45:12,954
We cannot know when we will die, but we know that we will.

567
00:45:13,674 --> 00:45:14,494
We could die tomorrow.

568
00:45:14,574 --> 00:45:17,114
We could die during a Bitcoin podcast.

569
00:45:17,274 --> 00:45:17,914
Knock on wood.

570
00:45:18,854 --> 00:45:20,174
Let's pray we don't, right?

571
00:45:20,294 --> 00:45:21,674
Live to podcast another day.

572
00:45:22,494 --> 00:45:24,554
But the important thing is that when somebody gives you

573
00:45:24,554 --> 00:45:25,694
part of their 40 hours per week,

574
00:45:25,734 --> 00:45:26,934
they're giving you part of their life.

575
00:45:27,214 --> 00:45:29,994
They're giving you part of their absolutely scarce time

576
00:45:29,994 --> 00:45:32,514
that they do not know exactly how much of it they have,

577
00:45:32,514 --> 00:45:33,654
but they're giving part of it to you.

578
00:45:34,174 --> 00:45:36,214
What will you do with that responsibility?

579
00:45:37,194 --> 00:45:41,714
I think it's incumbent on us as Bitcoin podcasters

580
00:45:41,714 --> 00:45:43,434
to make sure that we are,

581
00:45:43,854 --> 00:45:44,914
they are giving us value

582
00:45:44,914 --> 00:45:46,394
in the form of their time and attention.

583
00:45:46,714 --> 00:45:48,754
We need to make sure we give that value back.

584
00:45:48,834 --> 00:45:50,574
And then so that they in turn

585
00:45:50,574 --> 00:45:53,074
give more value back to us in the form of sats,

586
00:45:53,074 --> 00:45:57,614
which is also an expression of their life, time, work, et cetera.

587
00:45:58,014 --> 00:45:58,694
And then again,

588
00:45:58,794 --> 00:46:02,494
you have this beautiful circular economy of Bitcoin podcasts.

589
00:46:02,514 --> 00:46:05,634
And I feel like that's just, it's not talked about enough.

590
00:46:05,734 --> 00:46:07,954
We hear about these physical circular economies.

591
00:46:08,534 --> 00:46:10,814
What about the Bitcoin podcasting circular economy?

592
00:46:11,514 --> 00:46:14,514
You know, but who's going to talk about it except Bitcoin podcasters?

593
00:46:15,174 --> 00:46:16,794
So I guess really that's our fault.

594
00:46:17,574 --> 00:46:18,054
Wow.

595
00:46:19,794 --> 00:46:21,114
Just got myself there.

596
00:46:22,354 --> 00:46:26,634
Yeah, I think you're a wonderful example, Walker.

597
00:46:28,014 --> 00:46:31,454
You've got a hot wife that likes Bitcoin.

598
00:46:32,514 --> 00:46:37,954
you got gray hair got a great sounding voice you've got a good lighting setup

599
00:46:37,954 --> 00:46:43,034
take me to dinner first come on you hang out with bitcoin podcasters quite a bit

600
00:46:43,034 --> 00:46:46,074
and and the world needs good examples

601
00:46:46,074 --> 00:46:52,654
you can just start a bitcoin podcast too that's what i that's what i try to remind people it's

602
00:46:52,654 --> 00:46:58,114
like it has never been more accessible to become your own media empire and that empire doesn't have

603
00:46:58,114 --> 00:47:03,934
to be huge. You can create an empire of just a few people who are listening to you. But if you

604
00:47:03,934 --> 00:47:09,954
are still part of their 40 hours per week, you're making a difference. And from an economic

605
00:47:09,954 --> 00:47:15,354
perspective, you can really get started with a high quality podcast for pretty darn cheap. I mean,

606
00:47:15,394 --> 00:47:20,014
granted, priced in Bitcoin, will the cost of your podcasting equipment eventually buy you

607
00:47:20,014 --> 00:47:26,134
a multifamily home? Yes. But these are the sacrifices you have to be willing to make as

608
00:47:26,134 --> 00:47:32,754
a Bitcoin podcaster. You are sacrificing some sats in the present to leave a legacy of Bitcoin

609
00:47:32,754 --> 00:47:36,554
podcasting into the future. And I think that that's important. And for anyone who is like,

610
00:47:36,654 --> 00:47:41,094
well, what gear do I get? If you go to Bitcoinpodcast.net, which was an available domain,

611
00:47:41,214 --> 00:47:46,494
thank you very much, as was titcoin.org. Fun fact, you know where titcoin.com redirects to?

612
00:47:47,894 --> 00:47:53,114
It redirects to mises.org. I did not buy that one. It was already redirected to mises.org.

613
00:47:53,114 --> 00:47:55,914
So when people say, oh, Titcoin, that's inappropriate.

614
00:47:56,374 --> 00:48:00,434
Like, I don't know if you're exactly the flavor of podcasts we want to sponsor with our fiat dollars.

615
00:48:00,954 --> 00:48:02,014
I say, that's fine.

616
00:48:02,094 --> 00:48:04,614
I'd rather be in league with the Mises folks anyway.

617
00:48:05,014 --> 00:48:05,514
But I digress.

618
00:48:05,594 --> 00:48:07,334
Go to bitcoinpodcast.net slash gear.

619
00:48:07,534 --> 00:48:11,574
And I literally put together a whole list of gear that you can get, which is pretty cool.

620
00:48:12,154 --> 00:48:21,094
And you can, like, work your way up to one of these sweet roadcasters, too, which has, like, fun little things like a trombone by pressing a button.

621
00:48:21,354 --> 00:48:22,774
What a world we live in here.

622
00:48:22,774 --> 00:48:26,134
you know it's amazing i've got some other stuff to this i gotta add more

623
00:48:26,134 --> 00:48:33,834
yeah we need to incorporate more of that actually but we do it's important also to know

624
00:48:33,834 --> 00:48:41,754
that you don't have to be hot like you to start a podcast uh there's a couple guys a couple guys

625
00:48:41,754 --> 00:48:46,794
in the the group chat that we mentor and some of them say they keep saying they're going to start a

626
00:48:46,794 --> 00:48:50,894
podcast soon one of them you know he's waiting to he's waiting to fly to turkey to get the hair

627
00:48:50,894 --> 00:48:57,174
plugs to fix his bald you know his bald spot it's before he starts his podcast yes exactly before he

628
00:48:57,174 --> 00:49:01,834
starts his podcast i'm like listen man nobody's gonna be listening to you or watching your podcast

629
00:49:01,834 --> 00:49:07,754
when you first start your first x amount of episodes it's for you know finding your voice

630
00:49:07,754 --> 00:49:14,074
becoming proud of yourself uh you know finding a sponsor coming up with a good logo there's so much

631
00:49:14,074 --> 00:49:20,334
more to be to being a bitcoin podcaster than just being hot and it there's so much involved

632
00:49:20,334 --> 00:49:22,074
and people take it for granted.

633
00:49:22,254 --> 00:49:23,894
They dismiss, they think, you know,

634
00:49:23,914 --> 00:49:25,114
I've heard a lot of people say,

635
00:49:25,634 --> 00:49:26,794
well, you know, this guy,

636
00:49:27,194 --> 00:49:29,014
a Bitcoin podcaster figured it out.

637
00:49:29,134 --> 00:49:30,134
I can figure it out.

638
00:49:30,654 --> 00:49:31,634
Don't be so sure

639
00:49:31,634 --> 00:49:33,574
because Bitcoin podcasting involves

640
00:49:33,574 --> 00:49:34,954
a lot of technical editing.

641
00:49:35,214 --> 00:49:37,594
You have to deal with terrible user experience.

642
00:49:38,134 --> 00:49:40,374
You know, we're using Riverside right now

643
00:49:40,374 --> 00:49:42,194
and well, boy golly,

644
00:49:42,234 --> 00:49:42,974
I don't have to tell you

645
00:49:42,974 --> 00:49:44,334
if you've used Riverside before

646
00:49:44,334 --> 00:49:46,434
that it's not a smooth sailing ship.

647
00:49:46,814 --> 00:49:48,714
You got to figure out Zap.Stream.

648
00:49:48,714 --> 00:49:50,074
You got to figure out Noster.

649
00:49:50,074 --> 00:49:51,354
You got to figure out fountain.

650
00:49:51,694 --> 00:49:55,154
If you think those work every time you're trying to use them, you're in for a surprise.

651
00:49:56,054 --> 00:49:58,054
It's not it's not easy.

652
00:49:58,354 --> 00:50:18,814
And part of becoming a bit of proud Bitcoin podcaster who has something interesting to say, who has something insightful and valuable to say is going through all those steps, conquering the bad user experience of the podcasting frontier and being able to be that good example that other people can follow.

653
00:50:20,074 --> 00:50:30,554
I would actually love to talk about you guys a little bit because I want to say I'm so stoked that we're doing this right now because I have very closely followed and respected the work that you guys have done.

654
00:50:31,074 --> 00:50:45,394
As a fellow satirist of sorts, I used to do more in the satire space when I had my smoking hot wife by my side before I knocked her up and she produced a beautiful little offspring for us.

655
00:50:46,034 --> 00:50:47,614
But that was our shtick, right?

656
00:50:47,694 --> 00:50:49,954
Was the satire side of things.

657
00:50:50,074 --> 00:50:53,174
And now, you know, our satire was a different form of it, right?

658
00:50:53,374 --> 00:50:55,834
It was a little bit more in your face.

659
00:50:56,414 --> 00:51:00,474
I would put you guys akin to the Babylon Bee of Bitcoin.

660
00:51:00,874 --> 00:51:03,434
You know, and I mean that as the highest form of praise.

661
00:51:03,514 --> 00:51:05,474
If I wanted to insult you, I'd call you the onion of Bitcoin.

662
00:51:05,614 --> 00:51:06,074
You know what I mean?

663
00:51:06,374 --> 00:51:09,754
You're like, you know, they used to be okay, but then like you get a little older and you're like,

664
00:51:09,754 --> 00:51:12,734
what are, these are just stupid liberal jokes that aren't even funny.

665
00:51:13,354 --> 00:51:15,014
Like that's kind of what I feel like.

666
00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:16,334
The onion still has a chance, right?

667
00:51:16,334 --> 00:51:18,914
But like for now, it's just like, ha ha ha.

668
00:51:19,034 --> 00:51:21,614
That's, that's, it's like, it's fine.

669
00:51:21,634 --> 00:51:23,014
It's like the left can't meme, right?

670
00:51:23,354 --> 00:51:26,794
Because, and I'm digressing it, but the left can't meme because you need to have fundamental

671
00:51:26,794 --> 00:51:28,874
truth on your side in order to be funny.

672
00:51:29,234 --> 00:51:32,694
And if you don't have fundamental truth on your side, you're just doing like this weird,

673
00:51:32,694 --> 00:51:39,014
like, uh, like just like appealing to like the Karen common denominator of like, anyway,

674
00:51:39,194 --> 00:51:40,354
you guys fucking crush it.

675
00:51:40,354 --> 00:51:44,514
And I appreciate the work that you guys do because it brings something that is the exact

676
00:51:44,514 --> 00:51:50,274
reason that Carl and I started making videos in the first place for Bitcoin, which is people,

677
00:51:50,654 --> 00:51:56,534
it helps people not take themselves so seriously. And it brings a little bit of a lighter atmosphere

678
00:51:56,534 --> 00:52:06,354
to Bitcoin. But most importantly, through satire, we can ultimately find truth. Because satire only

679
00:52:06,354 --> 00:52:13,694
works when it is true, right? And so can you guys, here I am going into Bitcoin podcaster mode.

680
00:52:14,514 --> 00:52:20,314
I kind of want to know the story as much of it as you're comfortable with telling without any doxing or anything like that.

681
00:52:20,734 --> 00:52:28,714
But like, what was the moment when you guys were like, we're going to start the Bitcoin bugle and we're going to take this goddamn world by storm?

682
00:52:30,974 --> 00:52:35,354
Um, I started it probably about a year before Rod joined me.

683
00:52:35,754 --> 00:52:40,334
And when Rod joined, it really started to accelerate in 2023.

684
00:52:40,334 --> 00:52:50,974
i mean the big thing is is just i i didn't see people making things that i wanted to see made

685
00:52:50,974 --> 00:53:02,314
and i felt like i had with my credentials i had something to offer the world and um there wasn't

686
00:53:02,314 --> 00:53:07,514
really an intention of going anywhere there wasn't really an intention of uh doing anything

687
00:53:07,514 --> 00:53:14,034
because I was just doing it for myself because I wanted to feel good about the way that I was using

688
00:53:14,034 --> 00:53:20,814
my time I wanted to be able to use my brain in a way that I thought was you know productive and

689
00:53:20,814 --> 00:53:29,654
useful instead of working you know for somebody else or promoting somebody else's agenda I wanted

690
00:53:29,654 --> 00:53:35,834
to promote the things that I thought was important and it just kind of evolved from there

691
00:53:35,834 --> 00:53:43,894
uh rod rod joined uh i'm not i'm not sure when shortly after uh he started writing a bunch of

692
00:53:43,894 --> 00:53:49,394
banger articles uh we started podcasting and i think that's when things really took off

693
00:53:49,394 --> 00:53:57,014
uh it started getting exciting i think this is what we're seeing you know industry-wide a lot

694
00:53:57,014 --> 00:54:02,074
a lot of these companies need to realize the importance of a good uh good bitcoin podcast

695
00:54:02,074 --> 00:54:11,894
that's really where things take off in my opinion the other the when i joined in part of my

696
00:54:11,894 --> 00:54:21,594
motive for for joining the bugle was it was the end of 2023 and anybody who remembers the culture

697
00:54:21,594 --> 00:54:28,854
of the podcast space bitcoin twitter back at that time it was there was some similarities to what

698
00:54:28,854 --> 00:54:37,774
we're seeing today which is everything that seemed to be boiling down to a conspiracy that

699
00:54:37,774 --> 00:54:43,174
or any drama in the space the bitcoin space particularly seemed to be boiling down to a

700
00:54:43,174 --> 00:54:49,034
conspiracy and everybody immediately thought this is swan's fault this is anti-swanism

701
00:54:49,034 --> 00:54:56,814
this is what and it was i i i had no intention like i i didn't richard has said this many times

702
00:54:56,814 --> 00:55:02,314
but I agree with it. It's like, stop making me defend Swan Bitcoin. That's not where I wanted.

703
00:55:02,414 --> 00:55:07,894
I don't want to get online all day and defend Swan, defend Corey, defend, you know, against

704
00:55:07,894 --> 00:55:15,774
Plenitor. Right. But the problem I realized was that people don't have enough create. They don't

705
00:55:15,774 --> 00:55:20,874
have enough imagination. They don't. We talked about this. You know, it was in the news this

706
00:55:20,874 --> 00:55:26,794
week, right? Like the Tylenol, it causes autism. I think it's like Tylenol SSRIs. It's dampening

707
00:55:26,794 --> 00:55:29,934
our ability to read the vibes correctly.

708
00:55:30,434 --> 00:55:32,434
And maybe that's kind of what autism is a little bit.

709
00:55:32,514 --> 00:55:36,794
It's the inability to navigate complex vibes.

710
00:55:36,954 --> 00:55:41,534
And when you get into some of this, you know, the Bitcoin starts to scale as a culture, as

711
00:55:41,534 --> 00:55:43,714
an industry, the vibes get a little bit more complicated.

712
00:55:45,354 --> 00:55:47,754
And there's a whole lot of problems.

713
00:55:47,874 --> 00:55:51,114
There's a whole lot of, and not everything's a problem.

714
00:55:51,214 --> 00:55:55,814
There's just a lot of situations where you can't just blame podcasters.

715
00:55:55,814 --> 00:55:57,914
You can't just blame Swan.

716
00:55:58,174 --> 00:55:58,754
It is.

717
00:55:58,914 --> 00:56:01,294
Some people are selling their own bags.

718
00:56:01,934 --> 00:56:05,854
Some people are exploiting the, you know, the rowdiness.

719
00:56:06,134 --> 00:56:09,434
A lot of times, Bitcoin Twitter, that everybody gets the zoomies and they just want to like

720
00:56:09,434 --> 00:56:11,474
go crazy and retweet and dunk on people.

721
00:56:11,854 --> 00:56:14,174
And not everybody can speak on monetizing.

722
00:56:14,314 --> 00:56:15,634
That's what's happening right now in Bitcoin.

723
00:56:15,794 --> 00:56:17,634
It's like nobody really is.

724
00:56:18,714 --> 00:56:23,834
You can't take what they're saying at face value because they have special incentives

725
00:56:23,834 --> 00:56:29,034
and they might act really emotional or very angry or like something is very serious because they're

726
00:56:29,034 --> 00:56:36,314
trying to sell you the solution and just telling the truth from a slightly different perspective

727
00:56:36,314 --> 00:56:41,374
sometimes is all it takes because it's you know people say oh you're making these stories it's

728
00:56:41,374 --> 00:56:47,534
called satire and you know one of the people that responded to your uh your post announcing

729
00:56:47,534 --> 00:56:53,734
our thesis asked when are they going to be funny well my job's not to be funny my job is to

730
00:56:53,734 --> 00:56:54,614
I'm a journalist.

731
00:56:55,654 --> 00:57:00,794
And you know you're doing good journalism when you're stuck between these two polar opposites.

732
00:57:01,014 --> 00:57:02,694
Some people say, we love you.

733
00:57:02,754 --> 00:57:03,454
You're so funny.

734
00:57:04,234 --> 00:57:05,334
We're not trying to be funny.

735
00:57:05,794 --> 00:57:07,474
We're trying to report the news.

736
00:57:07,614 --> 00:57:09,614
And then the other people say, when are you going to be funny?

737
00:57:09,754 --> 00:57:11,194
I'm not going to be funny.

738
00:57:11,254 --> 00:57:12,634
I'm just going to report the news.

739
00:57:13,274 --> 00:57:13,874
So it's a win.

740
00:57:13,934 --> 00:57:15,914
It's a lose-lose situation to catch 22.

741
00:57:15,914 --> 00:57:31,234
But I think to boil it all down, it's I just want to tell the truth in a way that people identify with maybe a little bit better.

742
00:57:31,934 --> 00:57:36,674
And sometimes that's all it takes to kind of break the cognitive dissonance or start the process.

743
00:57:37,514 --> 00:57:41,174
And I think that's what good journalists should try to do.

744
00:57:42,374 --> 00:57:44,694
Yeah, there was a while ago where.

745
00:57:45,914 --> 00:57:53,134
sorry that was from our live studio audience there was a while ago where plettered or uh

746
00:57:53,134 --> 00:57:58,314
you know was throwing some backhanded uh insults at us you know talking about wanting to

747
00:57:58,314 --> 00:58:05,454
do a comedy show and you know when people get grumpy and they they criticize us i enjoy it i

748
00:58:05,454 --> 00:58:12,414
really enjoy it like i i want nothing more than people to receive hate mail uh or to send me hate

749
00:58:12,414 --> 00:58:18,214
mail like i think there's somewhere on our website that says like if you have like complaints send it

750
00:58:18,214 --> 00:58:24,374
to you know this email address and i don't think anybody's taken us up on that except for um

751
00:58:24,374 --> 00:58:28,894
maybe bit deer one time didn't like a story that we did they had their pr firm uh

752
00:58:29,494 --> 00:58:37,034
send us a notice but um other than that uh we got some but a lot of hate mail for maxi madness

753
00:58:37,034 --> 00:58:43,974
but but they they posted it on twitter they didn't send us the email like i i want it to be more

754
00:58:43,974 --> 00:58:49,554
personal and i want it to be well thought out but you guys need a p.o box so people can just just

755
00:58:49,554 --> 00:58:57,214
just let's get back to good old-fashioned physical hate mail and not just that but like real crazy

756
00:58:57,214 --> 00:59:02,114
psycho stuff like people taking you know cutting apart bits of magazines and you know kind of

757
00:59:02,114 --> 00:59:07,074
paper mache-ing together a really like you know really creepy letter to you guys and you know

758
00:59:07,074 --> 00:59:11,394
like and you know stealing with putting some hair in there but like it's like it's goat hair and it's

759
00:59:11,394 --> 00:59:15,434
like what does that mean you know and like like get creative with your hate mail you know it's just

760
00:59:15,434 --> 00:59:19,374
it's that too much to ask apparently it is but because people aren't willing to put in the proof

761
00:59:19,374 --> 00:59:28,214
of work is what it comes down to yeah i just think where i'm coming from is i'm doing this for myself

762
00:59:28,214 --> 00:59:30,294
I think Rod's doing it for himself too.

763
00:59:30,834 --> 00:59:34,854
We're trying to find good use or good ways to use our scarce time.

764
00:59:34,994 --> 00:59:36,314
We both enjoy this.

765
00:59:36,394 --> 00:59:39,054
We both think it's a good use of our time.

766
00:59:39,254 --> 00:59:40,294
That's our agenda.

767
00:59:40,834 --> 00:59:43,934
And I think that's unusual for people and they don't understand it.

768
00:59:44,454 --> 00:59:49,714
And my response to the hate mail is either there's two things that you can do.

769
00:59:49,874 --> 00:59:54,894
If you don't like what we do, then go promote something that you do like or do it yourself.

770
00:59:54,894 --> 01:00:06,634
and it's like i don't feel threatened by that i don't it i just don't think a lot of these people

771
01:00:06,634 --> 01:00:16,834
are capable of doing it and i enjoy i want to enjoy watching people get grumpy uh by credential

772
01:00:16,834 --> 01:00:23,434
journalists and uh you know trying to assume there's this guy um what's his name rod that's

773
01:00:23,434 --> 01:00:31,414
that's been really grumpy with you the the monk guy uh yeah uh he's a i don't want to say the words

774
01:00:31,414 --> 01:00:43,694
something monk let me find but yeah is it a silent k word or is it a okay i love it i i hope he keeps

775
01:00:43,694 --> 01:00:50,034
on sending the hate mail but i i like to encourage him to do something go start a podcast go go get

776
01:00:50,034 --> 01:00:56,374
do some sort of thing that's creative write comic books or you know whatever it is

777
01:00:57,014 --> 01:01:03,714
make bird houses like you use your time in a way if you have something if you think

778
01:01:03,714 --> 01:01:09,974
that rod sucks and can't be trusted then do something productive and and put your

779
01:01:09,974 --> 01:01:14,374
your signal out there and hopefully use your brain in the process like i think that's the

780
01:01:14,374 --> 01:01:19,714
that's kind of one of my missions and goals because when i look around at our culture i look

781
01:01:19,714 --> 01:01:21,234
I see the open mouth thumbnails.

782
01:01:21,934 --> 01:01:27,054
I see people either being for or against Taylor Swift.

783
01:01:27,794 --> 01:01:31,654
I think both are, I understand why people like Taylor Swift.

784
01:01:31,794 --> 01:01:34,834
I think the anti-Taylor Swift crowd is kind of interesting.

785
01:01:38,214 --> 01:01:42,774
I see a lot of people, you know, kind of latching onto these teams

786
01:01:42,774 --> 01:01:45,274
and attacking the other team with their team.

787
01:01:45,274 --> 01:01:49,454
But they're not really doing a lot.

788
01:01:49,454 --> 01:01:56,574
they're sitting in the peanut gallery just like throwing mud uh and i find it uninspiring

789
01:01:56,574 --> 01:02:06,534
i find it really uninspiring and uninteresting and my hope is that if anything we could inspire

790
01:02:06,534 --> 01:02:13,654
people to to think a little bit better to make memes better to be more creative to be more

791
01:02:13,654 --> 01:02:20,094
interesting to choose where they give their attention a little bit more critically so that

792
01:02:20,094 --> 01:02:26,194
they're consuming things that are more wholesome uh because i think that's ultimately where we get

793
01:02:26,194 --> 01:02:34,694
to a good place is like i want good movies i want really good movies i don't i don't want to see the

794
01:02:34,694 --> 01:02:42,534
same disney reruns um i don't want to see a live action of everything that was made like 50 years

795
01:02:42,534 --> 01:02:51,334
ago i want to see new and novel ideas and and people taking risks and and and there be being

796
01:02:51,334 --> 01:02:55,434
an audience that's willing to support people taking risks and trying things that are different

797
01:02:55,434 --> 01:03:02,814
and uh and i think that's the way you change it is you just you become the audience for that stuff

798
01:03:02,814 --> 01:03:08,294
which is why i listen to 40 hours of bitcoin podcast is like you don't like the the cia dribble

799
01:03:08,294 --> 01:03:13,914
that's being shoveled down your throat you know telling you to think one way or another way

800
01:03:13,914 --> 01:03:21,494
in the the mainstream media uh well if you if you support the cia dribble that's being shoved

801
01:03:21,494 --> 01:03:27,954
down your throat with uninspiring podcasters like lex friedman and you know these other guys that

802
01:03:27,954 --> 01:03:35,154
just are really lame then find the stuff that is high signal and promote it because those guys like

803
01:03:35,154 --> 01:03:39,254
we had David Bennett from the Bitcoin and podcast on our show this week.

804
01:03:39,894 --> 01:03:41,034
And I really like him.

805
01:03:41,074 --> 01:03:42,314
I think he's really high signal.

806
01:03:42,594 --> 01:03:42,994
I,

807
01:03:43,054 --> 01:03:44,574
I've liked him for a long time.

808
01:03:44,634 --> 01:03:47,694
I've listened to his podcast for a long time and he just doesn't have the

809
01:03:47,694 --> 01:03:50,854
advantage of getting a lot of reach,

810
01:03:50,854 --> 01:03:51,834
uh,

811
01:03:51,894 --> 01:03:54,174
that other people do.

812
01:03:54,174 --> 01:03:54,874
And I think,

813
01:03:54,874 --> 01:03:55,594
you know,

814
01:03:55,594 --> 01:04:00,794
part of our responsibility of having a platform is collaborating with people

815
01:04:00,794 --> 01:04:03,134
that are doing interesting things.

816
01:04:03,134 --> 01:04:18,861
Like if my goal is to uh support things that are thoughtful and creative then I have to work with people that are thoughtful and creative and try and engage with them as much as possible

817
01:04:19,921 --> 01:04:22,481
And I think we can make a sizable difference.

818
01:04:22,661 --> 01:04:26,721
I mean, this is like the exciting thing that Bitcoin teaches people

819
01:04:26,721 --> 01:04:32,001
is that you can be an active player in your life.

820
01:04:32,001 --> 01:04:33,881
You can be an active participant in the world

821
01:04:33,881 --> 01:04:36,101
that you can go out there and just do things

822
01:04:36,101 --> 01:04:42,361
that you don't have to sit around for permission from some guy that went to Epstein Island.

823
01:04:42,361 --> 01:04:50,301
You can choose what you want to do, pursue it, and actually fight for it,

824
01:04:50,321 --> 01:04:55,341
and you have the tools to be able to actually engage in the fight and be successful in it.

825
01:04:55,421 --> 01:04:58,561
That's the exciting thing about Bitcoin.

826
01:04:59,241 --> 01:05:04,361
Not that it's going to magically change everybody else's opinion.

827
01:05:06,101 --> 01:05:10,641
because they all will come to the conclusion that they have to read the Bitcoin standard

828
01:05:10,641 --> 01:05:14,441
and listen to Danny Knowles or, you know, whatever it is.

829
01:05:15,381 --> 01:05:20,021
It really is an exciting thing.

830
01:05:20,461 --> 01:05:21,621
And this is part of the reason why.

831
01:05:21,781 --> 01:05:26,061
So I give like two pieces of homework to all our listeners.

832
01:05:26,221 --> 01:05:26,921
Well, I guess three.

833
01:05:26,921 --> 01:05:33,141
Listen to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week, smoke cigarettes, and read Atlas Shrugged twice a year.

834
01:05:33,141 --> 01:05:35,821
and I think if you do those three things

835
01:05:35,821 --> 01:05:37,701
you're going to be incredibly successful

836
01:05:37,701 --> 01:05:38,581
in the fourth turning

837
01:05:38,581 --> 01:05:40,621
you'll be able to survive it

838
01:05:40,621 --> 01:05:41,961
you're not going to be

839
01:05:41,961 --> 01:05:41,981
you're not going to be

840
01:05:41,981 --> 01:05:48,541
you're going to be incredibly successful

841
01:05:48,541 --> 01:05:50,261
at the end of

842
01:05:50,261 --> 01:05:51,521
at the end of the day

843
01:05:51,521 --> 01:05:52,661
if you want to make a difference

844
01:05:52,661 --> 01:05:53,801
you need to start a podcast

845
01:05:53,801 --> 01:05:56,161
you need to be listening to podcasts

846
01:05:56,161 --> 01:05:57,601
and starting a podcast

847
01:05:57,601 --> 01:06:00,321
there's an outdated

848
01:06:00,321 --> 01:06:02,541
you know

849
01:06:02,541 --> 01:06:08,961
saying or whatever the man in the arena the man in the arena is you know that was fine 100 years ago

850
01:06:08,961 --> 01:06:16,541
and now it's the man in the studio the man's studio is the one reshaping the world or he's

851
01:06:16,541 --> 01:06:22,061
going to die trying essentially god damn guys

852
01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:31,501
to that i'd just like to say amen and thank you to our my not sponsor but maybe someday

853
01:06:31,501 --> 01:06:41,201
ice cold Miller Lite uh genuinely I think that's uh you just dropped an incredible amount amount of

854
01:06:41,201 --> 01:06:44,621
of uh of good vibes and insightfulness

855
01:06:44,621 --> 01:06:54,521
I think that people when they see content that they view as like being quote a joke

856
01:06:54,521 --> 01:07:00,201
they assume it's just like oh that's just from the funny men those are just those are just the

857
01:07:00,201 --> 01:07:04,101
funny men over there, you know, like dance, funny man, dance, you know, you make me laugh now,

858
01:07:04,161 --> 01:07:11,301
funny man. And people who are not funny, but who only ingest funny things created by other people

859
01:07:11,301 --> 01:07:19,501
don't have any conception of like how, uh, how actually intelligent you need to be and how much

860
01:07:19,501 --> 01:07:23,601
you need to understand something in order to make it funny. Like making it funny is not, you don't,

861
01:07:23,601 --> 01:07:28,501
you don't set out like, how do I make this funny? It like, you know, it's, you're, you're telling

862
01:07:28,501 --> 01:07:35,461
the truth in such an obvious way that people may view it as being funny, but that's only because

863
01:07:35,461 --> 01:07:41,761
the absurdity doesn't come from the content itself. It comes from the nature of reality around it,

864
01:07:42,101 --> 01:07:48,001
right? It comes from the fact that whatever you're talking about is in and of itself

865
01:07:48,001 --> 01:07:54,681
so contradictory or so absurd or just so funny that simply stating what it is,

866
01:07:54,681 --> 01:07:59,461
is funny but again as you guys said it's like you're not that's not what you're trying to be

867
01:07:59,461 --> 01:08:05,021
you're just trying to tell the truth right i think it's really i think it's fucking beautiful guys

868
01:08:05,021 --> 01:08:08,921
i fucking i fucking love it and we need more crossover episodes by the way that's that's

869
01:08:08,921 --> 01:08:12,801
one thing i've been trying to promote ladies more bitcoin podcasters going on other bitcoin podcasts

870
01:08:12,801 --> 01:08:18,381
talking about bitcoin podcasting because this is that circular bitcoin podcast economy this is how

871
01:08:18,381 --> 01:08:23,461
we really like this is how we orange pill the world right when everyone's a bitcoin podcaster

872
01:08:23,461 --> 01:08:28,901
then no one is a bitcoin podcaster and then we can finally rest you know but until then we've got

873
01:08:28,901 --> 01:08:34,241
work to do guys you know just to wrap up that point you made is there's a lot of people

874
01:08:34,241 --> 01:08:40,481
and who if you're if you're anything like me your inbox on multiple platforms on multiple ads is

875
01:08:40,481 --> 01:08:47,461
always full notifications from people sending constant streams of quote-unquote funny memes

876
01:08:47,461 --> 01:08:52,861
to your inbox and if people kind of have this like they start to get to this point where if

877
01:08:52,861 --> 01:08:55,021
They're the one finding all the really funny memes.

878
01:08:55,161 --> 01:08:57,261
And they start to feel like they're the funny one.

879
01:08:57,521 --> 01:09:02,121
They are funny because they are the ones who find all the best memes and send them to you.

880
01:09:02,901 --> 01:09:08,361
It's really, you're just sending the news to people.

881
01:09:08,361 --> 01:09:14,841
And they're finding the absurdity of the world we live in right now funny.

882
01:09:15,501 --> 01:09:19,881
And that's kind of like the meme, like the joke or the clown.

883
01:09:19,881 --> 01:09:26,701
is you know he's got the smiling paint on but really he's sad and to be i think to create original

884
01:09:26,701 --> 01:09:34,041
content that people do find funny i think you have to risk being in the sad clown because it is a uh

885
01:09:34,041 --> 01:09:39,041
it's a it's a lot of work to take the really terrible stuff that's happening in the world

886
01:09:39,041 --> 01:09:43,661
right now and making it funny so you can get your family members or your neighbors or your

887
01:09:43,661 --> 01:09:47,681
co-workers to actually pay attention to it if you can make them laugh they'll actually pay attention

888
01:09:47,681 --> 01:09:52,781
to what's going on and most of me people are trying to be like this is all one of the abisteen

889
01:09:52,781 --> 01:09:56,521
stuff oh yeah but let's look at this and it's like it's really depressing but if you can make

890
01:09:56,521 --> 01:10:02,921
it funny they'll pay attention it's so true i think it actually making things funny is what

891
01:10:02,921 --> 01:10:08,021
makes them sticky right like that's that's what makes it like it's it's like one of the reasons

892
01:10:08,021 --> 01:10:13,881
like somebody i just think uh gone too soon first of all but just an iconic generational talent that

893
01:10:13,881 --> 01:10:16,061
I don't know if the world even deserved is Norm MacDonald.

894
01:10:16,621 --> 01:10:19,241
Just like truly a, like what a fucking legend.

895
01:10:19,301 --> 01:10:21,181
The guy could, he could speak two words.

896
01:10:21,501 --> 01:10:22,701
It didn't matter what he said.

897
01:10:22,721 --> 01:10:23,841
He could just say like, hi there.

898
01:10:24,241 --> 01:10:30,261
And people would just die laughing because there was something, but he's, that's not him trying to be funny.

899
01:10:30,761 --> 01:10:31,641
That's just who he was.

900
01:10:31,661 --> 01:10:40,881
But things he said, they stick, like they stick with you and they cut through, they cut through all of the BS and the noise that's out there.

901
01:10:41,161 --> 01:10:43,461
And they stay with you for a long, long, long time.

902
01:10:43,881 --> 01:10:50,721
Because they are funny in a way that you can't even quite describe, right?

903
01:10:50,781 --> 01:10:52,681
Like to describe it makes it no longer funny.

904
01:10:54,261 --> 01:10:55,441
It's like back to the vibes.

905
01:10:55,601 --> 01:11:02,841
And when you were saying earlier, like, you know, you can't, like, basically the vibes are the Tao or the Tao, however you'd like to pronounce it.

906
01:11:03,321 --> 01:11:07,221
Like if you try to, you know, you try to describe it, you can't.

907
01:11:07,221 --> 01:11:10,861
And to know the Tao, you just simply know it.

908
01:11:10,961 --> 01:11:11,941
But it's also unknowable.

909
01:11:12,321 --> 01:11:13,801
And if you try to, you'll never know it.

910
01:11:13,881 --> 01:11:18,241
And I think that's also the way with like good, really good humor.

911
01:11:19,201 --> 01:11:24,481
But for people that are like, how do I say this?

912
01:11:25,081 --> 01:11:42,561
People have gotten so used to having everything spoon fed to them 24, 7, 365 in super digestible, super instant gratification, goldfish brain format where we're scrolling forever on an infinite, infinite loop.

913
01:11:42,561 --> 01:11:50,201
of extremely like visually appealing and, and, uh, you know, hook based, uh, content,

914
01:11:50,361 --> 01:11:52,981
you know, getting, getting, cause you got to get that hook in first. You got to hook them in those

915
01:11:52,981 --> 01:11:57,301
first five seconds and they're not going to pay attention. They've gotten so used to consuming in

916
01:11:57,301 --> 01:12:05,361
this format, but like that format, I think it strips so much actual meaning out of so much content.

917
01:12:05,961 --> 01:12:11,201
And this is one of the reasons that, that long form podcasts are actually still, you know,

918
01:12:11,201 --> 01:12:17,461
actually still so important is because there is actually room for nuance.

919
01:12:18,061 --> 01:12:19,841
There is room for depth.

920
01:12:20,641 --> 01:12:24,681
And in order to make it through an entire podcast,

921
01:12:25,041 --> 01:12:28,401
you have to make it through an entire podcast.

922
01:12:28,481 --> 01:12:30,161
You have to take a significant portion of your time.

923
01:12:30,381 --> 01:12:33,081
It is a commitment to something.

924
01:12:33,701 --> 01:12:36,241
Whereas when you're just infinitely scrolling and yeah,

925
01:12:36,241 --> 01:12:37,521
sure you don't remember what you,

926
01:12:37,661 --> 01:12:39,441
what you spent the last five minutes on,

927
01:12:39,541 --> 01:12:40,901
but what of it,

928
01:12:40,901 --> 01:12:41,681
You know, it doesn't matter.

929
01:12:41,981 --> 01:12:44,441
And it's only, it's only a minute per, per video, whatever.

930
01:12:44,441 --> 01:12:48,081
And then somehow you've spent the entire time that you could have spent ingesting a 90 minute

931
01:12:48,081 --> 01:12:52,301
podcast, flipping through mindless reels that you're never going to remember ever again.

932
01:12:53,001 --> 01:12:58,621
And this also just to bring it back full circle, this relates to the comedy side of things

933
01:12:58,621 --> 01:13:07,601
because often in order to set up a truly, set up a truly great joke or to create something

934
01:13:07,601 --> 01:13:13,321
that is truly funny on like a, on like a, wow, makes you rethink your worldview kind of level.

935
01:13:13,621 --> 01:13:20,221
It takes time. This instant gratification slop that is out there. That's not even AI generated

936
01:13:20,221 --> 01:13:26,601
slop. It's human generated slop. It just cheapens everything. And it's very fiat as well, right?

937
01:13:26,601 --> 01:13:35,001
Like Bitcoin podcasts are low time preference, Bitcoin adjacent activities, shorts, reels,

938
01:13:35,001 --> 01:13:40,241
TikTok, whatever, are high time preference, fiat adjacent methods of consuming content.

939
01:13:40,761 --> 01:13:49,361
And I don't even know where I was going with this because as a Bitcoin podcaster, it is part of my right, my Satoshi given right, that I can rant and go in.

940
01:13:49,601 --> 01:13:51,161
I can do the weave, as Trump would say.

941
01:13:51,201 --> 01:13:51,721
I can do the weave.

942
01:13:52,081 --> 01:13:54,681
And I don't actually ever have to bring it back to the original point.

943
01:13:54,781 --> 01:13:56,941
I don't even have to know what the original point was.

944
01:13:57,041 --> 01:13:59,141
But it's about the journey to get there.

945
01:13:59,601 --> 01:14:02,041
Let me summarize what you were just saying for you.

946
01:14:02,041 --> 01:14:08,621
Would you rather listen to an hour of signal by Lynn Alden, or would you rather scroll through TikTok macro?

947
01:14:09,701 --> 01:14:11,181
What's going to have the most value?

948
01:14:13,161 --> 01:14:14,801
I think we all know the answer to that.

949
01:14:15,841 --> 01:14:17,741
And it's not even close.

950
01:14:18,461 --> 01:14:20,581
I don't know how Lynn Alden packs so much signal.

951
01:14:20,581 --> 01:14:30,701
speaking of lynn alden in 13 minutes uh we are premiering the first of its kind

952
01:14:30,701 --> 01:14:38,761
dungeons and dragons themed bitcoin campaign uh i've been waiting for this it's it's going to be

953
01:14:38,761 --> 01:14:42,121
pretty sweet lynn alden is a part of it that for anyone that is listening is like i don't understand

954
01:14:42,121 --> 01:14:48,121
what lynn alden has to do with this uh tatum turnip is the dungeon master myself my smoking

955
01:14:48,121 --> 01:14:55,761
hot wife are also involved. Steven Lubka, Paper Bitcoin Summer maximalist. Mags will also be there.

956
01:14:56,881 --> 01:15:02,001
This has been prerecorded. This was recorded like last week. I took over the Herculean task

957
01:15:02,001 --> 01:15:06,321
of actually getting it published because as we know, Tatum Turnip, love the guy to death,

958
01:15:06,321 --> 01:15:11,541
but he has a history of recording really hilarious content and then keeping it for like multiple

959
01:15:11,541 --> 01:15:15,941
years and never releasing it. And I just, I couldn't let that happen. So sometimes this is

960
01:15:15,941 --> 01:15:20,341
the other thing as a Bitcoin podcaster and Tatum will say he's not a Bitcoin podcaster. So we'll

961
01:15:20,341 --> 01:15:24,221
forgive him here. He just has Bitcoin shows, right? And that's part of the problem is that

962
01:15:24,221 --> 01:15:29,161
self-identification. He needs to start identifying as a Bitcoin podcaster. What is a Bitcoin podcaster?

963
01:15:29,701 --> 01:15:33,901
Someone who identifies as a Bitcoin podcaster, but also because they make Bitcoin podcasts.

964
01:15:34,101 --> 01:15:36,961
That's really what it is. Bitcoin podcaster is somebody who makes Bitcoin podcasts.

965
01:15:37,741 --> 01:15:41,141
We'll be releasing this very soon. I don't know how many people are live here on ZapDot stream.

966
01:15:41,141 --> 01:15:44,661
I imagine it's something like four or 500,000, I'm guessing.

967
01:15:45,141 --> 01:15:46,821
I haven't looked at the numbers, but it's probably pretty large.

968
01:15:46,901 --> 01:15:51,341
So anyone who's listening, you'll be able to watch this shortly.

969
01:15:51,501 --> 01:15:52,101
It'll be live.

970
01:15:52,341 --> 01:15:55,281
And I think this is another example of, and I love that Tatum put this together,

971
01:15:56,201 --> 01:16:01,461
because it's an example of a way to get people into Bitcoin without taking it too seriously.

972
01:16:02,081 --> 01:16:04,261
Do we need very serious Bitcoin podcasts?

973
01:16:04,581 --> 01:16:04,981
Absolutely.

974
01:16:04,981 --> 01:16:12,541
Do we also need things with a heartbeat of Bitcoin that are kind of Bitcoin adjacent?

975
01:16:13,421 --> 01:16:17,281
Like, you know, talk about Caps Lock Moonboy tweets.

976
01:16:17,741 --> 01:16:23,781
What happens when we have millions of D&D fans who are all of a sudden orange-pilled to Bitcoin?

977
01:16:24,421 --> 01:16:27,181
All I'm saying is buckle up.

978
01:16:27,361 --> 01:16:28,141
Here we go.

979
01:16:28,401 --> 01:16:29,661
Trillions incoming.

980
01:16:30,321 --> 01:16:31,801
Are you paying attention?

981
01:16:32,561 --> 01:16:33,121
Yeah.

982
01:16:33,121 --> 01:16:35,941
Yeah, go into the moon with this.

983
01:16:36,101 --> 01:16:40,061
I think that really the next wave of Bitcoin adoption, while it could be boomers watching

984
01:16:40,061 --> 01:16:46,661
Bitcoin QVC, it could also be D&D players who are now going to be listening to Bitcoin

985
01:16:46,661 --> 01:16:48,141
podcasts accidentally.

986
01:16:48,381 --> 01:16:51,101
They won't even know they're listening to a Bitcoin podcast because they think they're

987
01:16:51,101 --> 01:16:53,881
just listening to a really hilarious and awesome D&D game.

988
01:16:54,461 --> 01:16:55,141
They're not.

989
01:16:55,221 --> 01:16:56,981
They're listening to a Bitcoin podcast.

990
01:16:57,441 --> 01:16:58,761
They just don't know it yet.

991
01:16:59,081 --> 01:17:00,441
And that's how you get them started.

992
01:17:00,441 --> 01:17:03,301
You know, it's the foot in the door, not the door in the face.

993
01:17:05,341 --> 01:17:07,341
I'm excited for Bitcoin Comic Con.

994
01:17:09,421 --> 01:17:16,961
It's basically what Carla has been essentially doing on her own this whole time is just getting ready for Bitcoin Comic Con.

995
01:17:17,321 --> 01:17:18,881
Just cosplaying constantly, you know.

996
01:17:19,381 --> 01:17:20,921
We need more of that.

997
01:17:21,401 --> 01:17:27,361
Like, less suits, more, I was going to say furries, but then I was like, no, fuck that.

998
01:17:27,361 --> 01:17:32,261
um i was just trying to think i'd like yeah more you guys help me out here we need more something

999
01:17:32,261 --> 01:17:36,321
else something something that is uh something that is the opposite of suits like what was it

1000
01:17:36,321 --> 01:17:43,261
entropy well sure more entropy we need more entropy in body yet we need furries we need uh

1001
01:17:43,261 --> 01:17:51,541
comics people who love comic books we need you know muscle like gym bros we need old guys who

1002
01:17:51,541 --> 01:17:59,181
love old cars we need hot rod guys we need train collectors well we have plenty of those um

1003
01:17:59,181 --> 01:18:05,861
we need mumble wrappers mumble wrappers yeah broccoli haircuts we need a lot more broccoli

1004
01:18:05,861 --> 01:18:12,361
haircuts we need uh i mean i'm just excited about bitcoin comic con i want to see shinobi

1005
01:18:12,361 --> 01:18:15,721
do doing a naruto running workshop

1006
01:18:15,721 --> 01:18:22,581
i've been trying to get him to teach me for a while but he's hodling his secrets it's kind of

1007
01:18:22,581 --> 01:18:28,021
messed up uh typical you know well now that he's got his girlfriends it's like

1008
01:18:28,021 --> 01:18:35,941
can you know these girlfriends that's that that could be that could be a band i don't know um

1009
01:18:35,941 --> 01:18:42,501
i think you make a good point not every not every podcast has to be like the entire conversation

1010
01:18:42,501 --> 01:18:47,541
doesn't have to be about the properties of bitcoin the whole time right like and it doesn't have to be

1011
01:18:47,541 --> 01:18:54,941
the way i look at it is that bitcoin podcasts in and of themselves are serious bitcoin podcasting

1012
01:18:54,941 --> 01:19:02,501
is a serious business but that means the bitcoin podcasters don't always have to be serious it's

1013
01:19:02,501 --> 01:19:08,321
it you're you don't have to like go out of your way to be serious you're it's already a serious

1014
01:19:08,321 --> 01:19:14,861
discussion. So just tell the truth. And it doesn't matter what you say as long as you tell the truth.

1015
01:19:17,161 --> 01:19:24,021
Amen to that. And it's funny, like, people may think that we're being very tongue in cheek

1016
01:19:24,021 --> 01:19:28,181
about like, everyone should start a Bitcoin podcast, we need more Bitcoin podcasts.

1017
01:19:28,181 --> 01:19:33,001
I want to clarify for folks who may be confused, because I do often speak in a tongue in cheek way,

1018
01:19:33,081 --> 01:19:37,181
I'm not being tongue in cheek here. I'm genuinely being dead serious.

1019
01:19:37,181 --> 01:19:43,761
I think that if you look at overall podcast distribution, there are so many podcasts.

1020
01:19:43,861 --> 01:19:47,661
Most podcasts don't make it past like I forget what it is. It's like 12 or 13 episodes, something

1021
01:19:47,661 --> 01:19:53,681
like 80% or 90% of podcasts. Just stop after that because it turns out it's hard podcasting. Like

1022
01:19:53,681 --> 01:19:57,881
the failure rate is higher than for physical restaurants, you know, which should tell you

1023
01:19:57,881 --> 01:20:03,101
something because that's a hard business to run. Podcasting is harder. Again, right up there with

1024
01:20:03,101 --> 01:20:11,121
neurosurgery, I would say. But we have so many TradFi podcasts, so many dog shit, low signal,

1025
01:20:11,341 --> 01:20:18,621
high noise, just garbage podcasts, giving people terrible, terrible information and not financial

1026
01:20:18,621 --> 01:20:22,501
advice. But it is financial advice because people are taking it as such. It doesn't matter if you

1027
01:20:22,501 --> 01:20:26,901
say not financial advice. That's what people are taking. Like, okay, whatever. But there's just so

1028
01:20:26,901 --> 01:20:29,981
much garbage out there. There's so much junk. There's so much noise. There's hundreds and

1029
01:20:29,981 --> 01:20:33,701
hundreds of podcasts, maybe thousands that are just about golf, like nothing against golf. I'd

1030
01:20:33,701 --> 01:20:39,901
like golf as much as much as the next boomer. But how is it that when we have an open protocol

1031
01:20:39,901 --> 01:20:45,961
that is the future of money as we know it, that is a paradigm shifting once in a species event

1032
01:20:45,961 --> 01:20:52,461
that still has like maybe a hundred or so Bitcoin podcasts, like probably under 200 globally.

1033
01:20:52,721 --> 01:20:58,901
Like that's like, that's insane. That's nothing. So when I say start a Bitcoin podcast, I fucking

1034
01:20:58,901 --> 01:21:05,881
mean it. I mean it. You, because you don't know who you, who you, sir, I'm looking at you

1035
01:21:05,881 --> 01:21:13,421
right there in my camera lens, who you might appeal to, what specific person you're hearing,

1036
01:21:13,421 --> 01:21:18,461
your podcast might open up an entire world for them because you said something differently or

1037
01:21:18,461 --> 01:21:23,041
because of who you are, because they just stumbled across it and whatever you said resonated with

1038
01:21:23,041 --> 01:21:30,461
them. You never know. And you can literally change someone's life. I think my life was literally

1039
01:21:30,461 --> 01:21:36,301
changed because of Bitcoin podcasts. If it wasn't for Bitcoin podcasts, I wouldn't be here today

1040
01:21:36,301 --> 01:21:44,141
stacking Bitcoin with a Bitcoin podcast. Like that's just the reality. So start a Bitcoin podcast

1041
01:21:44,141 --> 01:21:52,541
because at least make it past like 10, 12, 15 episodes. Do that for yourself. Make it past where

1042
01:21:52,541 --> 01:21:53,981
90% of people fail.

1043
01:21:54,821 --> 01:21:56,021
Do that for yourself.

1044
01:21:56,901 --> 01:21:58,601
Commit yourself to doing 21

1045
01:21:58,601 --> 01:22:00,221
episodes of a Bitcoin podcast.

1046
01:22:00,221 --> 01:22:02,701
If you can do 21 episodes of a Bitcoin podcast,

1047
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you can stop or

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you can keep going. But I think if you make it to

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21, you're going to keep going.

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Yep. I say amen

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01:22:10,621 --> 01:22:11,661
to that. Guys,

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we need to do this again.

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This was

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an outstanding experience.

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I'm glad we finally got to make it

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happen.

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but I do have a

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world premiere coming up

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01:22:25,381 --> 01:22:27,081
this D&D thing which is granted

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01:22:27,081 --> 01:22:29,321
already been recorded but I do need to be

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01:22:29,321 --> 01:22:31,461
a keyboard warrior in there in a live stream chat

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saying hilarious things

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and making little puns also

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I might get cancelled for this guys because there are

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a lot and I mean a

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lot of clanker jokes

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I mean like

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to the point at which the Tesla Optimus

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bot is going to beat down my

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door and be like what did you

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01:22:49,481 --> 01:22:55,701
say about clankers motherfucker you know and and i'll be like you still you bulletproof yet papa

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and he'll be like no and but he'll be he'll already be clanked but i make a lot of clanker jokes

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01:23:01,781 --> 01:23:10,041
uh some version more clanker jokes yeah well i think so i think so there are some that may also

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01:23:10,041 --> 01:23:16,921
there are some clanker jokes in the episode that may be offensive to uh silent k's if you know what

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i mean so i'll leave it at that anything you guys want to leave our audience with

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i'll just i'll before i go i'll just say listen this is a great podcast and you should uh we

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01:23:30,661 --> 01:23:36,541
should ditch you on bugles behind the podcast interview series sometime soon because uh

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01:23:36,541 --> 01:23:40,181
we'll chop it up over there it's a date

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01:23:40,181 --> 01:23:50,121
dick look forward to it i'm really excited about the dnd premiere i've been waiting i've been uh

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01:23:50,121 --> 01:23:56,581
chomping at the bit i don't i don't know anything about dnd but uh i gotta say i was pretty impressed

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01:23:56,581 --> 01:24:02,981
with the costumes again cosplay you know this is how this is how we orange build the world is

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01:24:02,981 --> 01:24:08,041
is not you know it's well it's it's with bitcoin podcast but bitcoin podcast plus bitcoin cosplay

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01:24:08,041 --> 01:24:17,021
like gradually then suddenly right we're all at bitcoin comic-con or just bitcoiners at comic-con

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01:24:17,021 --> 01:24:22,361
i guess maybe that's kind of a move too why are we not orange pilling at comic-con more okay we

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01:24:22,361 --> 01:24:27,461
gotta we could go down a whole three hour rabbit hole for that we could spend 40 hours per week

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01:24:27,461 --> 01:24:33,061
talking about comic-con but alas we must end it the ending of the podcast is always the worst part

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01:24:33,061 --> 01:24:37,661
for me because i wish it would never stop i wish it could this one podcast this moment in

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01:24:37,661 --> 01:24:42,801
space time this this block on the time chain could to go on forever that we could never find the next

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block but the next block is always found eventually and i think we've just found our next block so

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01:24:48,981 --> 01:24:55,941
dick rod greasy palm appreciate you guys appreciate the work that you do i'm going to link all of your

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01:24:55,941 --> 01:25:00,261
stuff in the uh in the old show notes so be you know check it out after you've liked and subscribed

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01:25:00,261 --> 01:25:05,461
do you fuck uh no actually you should listen to everyone's podcast on fountain also is what the

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01:25:05,461 --> 01:25:11,561
last thing i'd like to say um listen on fountain and if you're still listening on spotify or apple

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01:25:11,561 --> 01:25:15,901
podcasts fuck you but thank you for listening still i really appreciate you giving me your 40

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01:25:15,901 --> 01:25:19,801
hours per week but just go just go listen on fountain like it's just it's just better bitcoin

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01:25:19,801 --> 01:25:25,381
or juice fountain so that's all i'll say on that okay i think podcast over podcast over guys

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01:25:25,381 --> 01:25:28,721
podcast over sounds good podcast over

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Thank you.