Bitcoin would be at $221,696 per coin right now if it were not for all of the plebslop.
Hard men create good times.
Good times create plebslop.
Plebslop creates hard times.
It's a cycle.
It's inevitable.
This is every Bitcoin cycle.
I started feeling gross listening to Nickelback after switching to Creed.
The boomers aren't all entirely retarded.
Every generation thinks that they've had the hardest slop to deal with.
But just like objectively, the slop used to be just simpler, right?
It was just purely simpler slop.
It was easier to digest slop.
It was like oatmeal textured slop.
Even a baby could take it down.
Slop to one person isn't slop to another person.
but yeah it's uh i don't know i like creed
blub stop changed my life
and i think his british accent is stupid and he should learn how to speak american
most of you are retarded and we don't want to hear what you have to say
i'm one of those people i'm also retarded
you ever seen a communist that could meme have you ever seen a good communist meme
it's not possible you can't have a good communist meme because communism is fucking retarded like
you just you can't do it you can't do it and so it's like if your memes suck then then like
look in the mirror you know
walker have you ever wondered if you're becoming the slop or have you ever like
stayed up late at night worrying about that.
Emergency broadcast.
The real reason Bitcoin crashed.
Parentheses.
It's not what you think.
Close parentheses.
There we go.
That is the slop that we all need.
Ironically, of course,
the real reason that Bitcoin did crash
was because of the pleb slop in the first place.
and this is what nobody, I'm just, I'm wondering why nobody's talking about this, you know?
It's one of those inconvenient truths, but I think that, like, we're probably all in agreement
that Bitcoin would be at $221,696 per coin right now if it were not for all of the pleb slop.
I don't know, are you guys with me on this, or am I just being kind of, like, a little bit anti-slop right now?
um yeah you know they they say there's slop cycles where uh
hard men create good times good times create club slop club slop creates hard times it's a cycle
it's inevitable this is every bitcoin cycle i mean it's just uh people like to to point at um
the halvings for being the issue but it's really just the slop gets out of control
get over leveraged on slop system comes crashing down you just you can't build anything meaningful
on top of slop that's the problem if your foundation is slop it's going to crumble eventually
the thing that's killing me is i was born in bitcoin in the slop and i i didn't recognize
it returning until it was too late you live by the swap the slop you die by the slop you know
it's like i guess when you're a creature of the slop it's like it is the air you breathe that is
the water you swim in so how you know we can't really expect ourselves like we we don't have
very good inbuilt defense mechanisms against the slop we're just like this generation right we're
just we're not built to deal with this this level of slop like and and we just don't have those same
natural defenses i i can't tell if gen z has better or worse natural defenses against plebs
slop what do you what do you guys think like i guess maybe let's start with this let's rank the
generations from best defenses against plebs slop to like complete lack of defenses and i'm just
gonna i'm gonna put it out there that the boomers have the least natural immunity to plebs slop is
that are you guys with me on that at least i don't know who has the most but i know the boomers have
the least immunity to it i would say i don't know disagreement yeah i think it's a hard one
well i i think you know one of the things that i've learned and you know i would encourage younger
people to go hang out with boomers at least based ones because it'll change your perspective a little
bit because there's these guys that have been uh seeing how retarded everything is for a long time
and they've been fully aware of it and uh it's kind of like that white pill moment where you're
like oh wow the boomers aren't all entirely retarded uh you know the the slop is constantly
evolving so like boomer slop is different than gen x slop which is different than millennial
slop which is different than zoomer slop so every generation has their own unique slop
um but you know there there could be an argument that that some of the younger generations having
dealt with more difficult times you could say but you know to be fair like if you if you've
read anything about history the boomers have dealt with difficult times themselves there's a lot of
tumultuous stuff that they grew up in in the 60s 70s and 80s and uh 2008 and you know
they've been getting screwed by the pedophilic ruling class for a long time
so they also make up that ruling class though to be fair you know primarily i'm just you know i'm
not trying to you know not trying to take a shot here but it is true not all of them obviously and
there are many good boomers there are many fine people on the boomer side yeah another downside
like downvote for them i i totally hear what you're saying dick um is i i tend to hear that
at least from uh the boomer boomers around me which is pretty much my dad and his friends
that they would like to return to the time when everyone had the same slop and agreed on
what slop was good slop and are sad that everyone enjoys different slop today
and they can't just slop along together.
Yeah, I mean, it's tough.
I don't know how we return back to the great slop era
because slop was so much simpler
because you had a one-to-many slop distribution mechanism, right?
You had the legacy.
At that point, it was the mainstream media.
That's the last walker.
That's what you had.
That was where you got your slop.
You knew you could tune in every night for Walter Cronkite,
and he was going to feed you some grade A pleb slop.
It's a lot of power when you're on YouTube.
But now it's like there's just so many different places.
It's a pleb slop overload, really.
We could make or break his career.
It's hard to know.
Maybe there is good pleb slop out there, too.
Maybe there is good pleb slop.
But how do you sift through and find the pleb slop signal,
if that's possible, amidst all the pleb slop noise?
And I think that's really the challenge that our generation faces, being this kind of the bridge between the analog pleb slop and the digital pleb slop, which is it's a tough line to tread, really.
No, you're right.
We were raised on a different slop and had to learn firsthand,
be the first people to try and learn this new age of slop,
whereas Gen Z was born into it and has seen it their whole lives
and has seen how we adjusted to it and how we dealt with it
and learned from our mistakes.
So, you know, I would say that we had it the hardest
and no one else had it harder than us.
And don't feel sorry for us because we figured out Bitcoin,
but also feel sorry for us because we had it the hardest.
Yeah, yeah, it's tough, right?
And I think maybe every generation thinks that they've had the hardest slop to deal with.
But just like objectively, the slop used to be just simpler, right?
It was just purely simpler slop.
It was easier to digest slop.
It was like oatmeal textured slop.
Even a baby could take it down.
Now it's like the slop has gotten more sophisticated.
You've got all different levels of this pleb slop as well.
You've got all sorts.
I mean the proliferation of AI generated pleb slop I think is really just kind of like a game changer, right?
Because it just lowers the barrier to entry for somebody to create just low-grade pleb slop.
And that's where things I think get a little bit dicey.
And we're seeing that play out right now in real time.
i think it's exciting the the decentralization and democrat democratization of slop is ultimately
a good thing like i think lowering the barrier to entry where anybody can engage in the slop
it allows individuals to have more of a voice but i think uh one of the one of the challenges of
what people don't realize is they're operating in these sandboxes
where the slop is controlled, which is these social media platforms.
So I think they need to get a little bit more creative
with breaking out of their little sandboxes
to spread their slop wider, if that makes sense.
Ben, your thoughts on that?
I mean, do you share that perspective?
Well, I do think it's interesting that the newest craze on Nostra adoption has come out as a very anti-slop and especially anti-AI slop stance where they're, if I'm not wrong, I think removing slop from their platform.
Are you talking about divine?
Yeah, I think.
The Vine. Yeah, the Vine. Yeah. So I think that that's that's an interesting stance on to take on slop on the quote unquote, like the freedom.
Protocol, the freedom of speech protocol, it's interesting to see such a hard stance taken on slop.
I haven't followed that. Can you explain the dynamic? Like, who are the players? What are the arguments? What is categorized as slop?
Well, I think in this specific reference here, Ben is referring to Divine.
So it's basically a reboot of the old Vine app, which maybe a lot of Zoomers won't even know about.
But it was a short form video app that existed before Instagram had video.
Like Instagram picked up video after Vine became wildly popular.
Instagram was just photos before that.
If you can believe it, kids.
But this was true.
This happened.
And then Vine kind of died out.
recently jack dorsey's and other stuff initiative which funds a lot of open source development
specifically around noster notes and other stuff transmitted by relays this is the other stuff
part uh in case you didn't put that together uh rabble who worked on twitter in the early days
with jack built out what he's calling divine or divine d-i-v-i-n-e and basically one of the core
pieces of it is they're trying to recreate kind of the old vine experience they also have an
archive of a bunch of the most popular vines from back in the day and that they've like they've
basically cached in there and then they're also going to be automatically detecting flagging and
removing any ai generated content so the goal is to have content that is wholly created by human
beings without the use of artificial intelligence which is kind of like the polar opposite of like
you know like chat gbt's sora has its own app now right um there's all these different cases where
they're creating social feeds specifically around AI generated slop without any human slop involved.
And it's like, great. Are you going to get some human slop on, on divine? Sure. But at least,
you know, that that slop that somebody put a little bit of work into that, they weren't just
prompting the slop. They were living the slop. And I think that that, I think that that has some
meaning to it. That has that, that, that means something in this, in this day and age.
It's very pro jobs, which is great. You'd think it was a politician, um, building this app,
except maybe it works well right that that'd be and there's no taxes that you have to pay for it so
you know it's like it's even better you're not just getting robbed constantly but it's it's
interesting like i'm personally i like i i enjoyed using vine uh back in the day it really did and so
like when i saw this coming out and it was like oh we're not going to allow any sort of ai generated
content on there at all like it's probably going to get more and more difficult from a moderation
perspective just as the ai generated content gets more and more uh you know let's say slick but i
mean hopefully there's there's enough markers that they can pull where they're able to actually keep
it that way i don't know it's wild times who knows yeah i have no idea like how they're actually
picturing that but it does seem like nostre video is the next frontier of what's being built on
Noster, which is really cool. I mean, it seems like primals really diving into that. Um, and
I don't know, it's, it's, uh, I, I like the only social media I've ever really loved is,
is Twitter and then Twitter clones on Noster. But, um, I've been sucked into the slop vortex on
Instagram and tech talk enough that my feet go numb when I'm taking a shit that I know how powerful
it is. So that's not good, dude. That's a, that's a surefire way to get yourself some hemorrhoids.
It's like, you don't want to be doing that, man.
You got to get off that toilet.
No, no, no, no.
Delete apps.
I did that once.
I deleted it.
I downloaded TikTok and then my feet went numb and I deleted the app that day because I knew the danger of hemorrhoids.
I go see your local doctor.
But I don't know.
It seems like there was that TikTok band for a while that brought a lot of people to Nostra.
And if that divine really takes off like the momentum it has, that's super cool to see.
and, you know, slop or not, like if they're anti-slop,
there's going to be a slop competitor, and that's going to, you know,
that just brings more people to Noster because everyone loves slop,
and then there's the people who love rules.
Yeah, I mean, I know that they, I think this blew up in a way
that Rabble really did not anticipate.
Like they maxed out the 10,000, like Apple TestFlight has a 10,000 user limit
on a TestFlight version.
and they like hit that limit like very very quickly like i think like within like a day or
two of just putting this out publicly and app store i mean for anyone who's dealt with the
apple app store it is just a pain in the ass like and it's very opaque process in terms of that
review process and so i know that it's i think it's still in review i don't think it's actually
gotten pushed live so yeah i've got the testlet version sitting on my phone uh feeling very lucky
have not uh put together any divines yet i don't know if you call them a divine now or if you just
still call them a vine. Is there a new content on there? There is. I mean, again, I've only spent
like, I like literally just downloaded it like right before the test flight closed apparently.
So I've not spent enough time on there yet. I've been too busy, uh, you know, too busy podcasting,
uh, in the long form, but, but I think it's going to be a nice way to really break up, uh,
you know, make the shortest form Bitcoin podcasts possible. Like, you know, it's,
I think you probably only get, I think it's seven seconds was the original vine. So like,
that's a very short podcast, but still a podcast, I think. It can be with the right content.
Walker, have you ever wondered if you're becoming the slop or have you ever like stayed up late at
worrying about that? I think about this often. My thesis around this is that if I embrace the slop
in a satirical and over the top way, for instance, calling this particular stream,
what did I call it? Emergency broadcast. The real reason Bitcoin crashed. It's not what you think.
You know, I think that as long as we, as long as we're cognizant of the fact that we are,
we are still perpetuating the slop, but we do so in a mindful way. And we, and we acknowledge that
what we're doing is slop. I think that's the key. If you don't acknowledge when you're putting out
the slop, that is the worst form of slop. If you, if you know the slop, if you can name the slop,
you can really own the slop.
Otherwise the slop owns you.
If you think this is some original content,
this is some incredibly spicy and thoughtful take,
but it's just slop, it's like,
oh, well then maybe you're just a sloppy person.
But if you know what you're doing,
if you're slopping for a reason,
I'm more okay with it.
If it's purposeful slop.
But I don't know.
I mean, Dick, as an actual journalist here,
You know, we've got a we've got a podcaster, a journalist podcaster and a winemaker podcaster here.
So speaking of wine, I'd like to say that this plebslop stream is sponsored by Peony Lane Wine.
Peony Lane Wine. You may be reading plebslop while you drink it, but at least it doesn't taste like plebslop.
So I'll work on that. I don't really have a I don't really have a saying there, but I do, in fact, enjoy Peony Lane Wine.
And if you like slop that is not slop, I should say regular wine is probably more slop.
Like organic wine.
I know you don't call it technically organic anymore, right?
I saw your post about that.
But like, I don't know.
I get less hungover with your wine.
So it doesn't seem that sloppy to me.
You can get sloppy without feeling sloppy.
Maybe there's something there.
I'll work on it.
Since this is business on air, it's not organic because I don't want to get the organic certification.
What I stopped calling it was natural due to some like real microbiome yeast nuance that honestly felt like slop to right.
It was wine slop.
It was like, I did read it.
It was wine nuance, which makes me feel sloppy as hell, but it's not slop.
um i it's really a lot of like i said i get sucked in this slop vortex nothing worse than
when i started listening to creed that walker i and dick you probably can i i became the slot for
a little bit there and uh it still hits me every once in a while and uh every time i post creed
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Okay, let's talk about this though because Dick and I have talked about this before that like your average Christian rock that you hear on the radio if you, you know, are driving through Utah or something and it's like every station is that.
is that like and you're like okay well you know i guess that's why i don't listen to the radio
anymore that is like the most formulaic kind of musical slop you can get to now creed while they
may be uh you know some would categorize them as a christian christian band i don't view them as
slop like they're you know if you're one of the first to do it and you do so in a meaningful way
is it slop or is the derivative are the derivatives that are created after that
is that what the real slop is like i dick i'd love your take on this
oh that's a good question um
i don't know i think i need to think about that a little bit more okay it's all it's all very
nuanced you know and slop to one person isn't slop to another person but yeah it's uh
i don't know i like creed i like creed there i said it live on air creed look creed absolutely
became slop but it was all about context right if you're listening to creed while watching the
bitcoin chart uh you were slopping but if you're just listening to creed i think you're good
and um when you listen to like nickelback for a little bit and then you switch to creed and
you switch back to nickelback and you start listening to what they're talking about
i don't know i started feeling gross listening to nickelback after switching to creed and i feel
like that's kind of just at that time my only vocabulary was shit coining versus bitcoining
but you know it could be slopping versus not slopping is there a word dick is there a word
for the opposite of slop um i haven't come up with it but i i would i would explain it as like uh
just having some semblance of of depth and in meaning and being grounded in uh
uh uh i mean you kind of you kind of look at like you know
slop isn't all bad you can like some slop but you look at like the difference between
madex and osanoa gold osanoa gold does the pleb slop trading cards it's just is pure slop
it's got cory is the most valuable bitcoiner you know it's just every every single like podconf
buzzword and you know personality that is just spewing slop like they
they're all about it you know and his art his art's pretty cool i would say uh but it just
doesn't have the same like depth as as like a made x art you like you know made x charges a lot
of money and he can he can get he can charge a lot of money he should charge a lot of money
because it puts a ton of time into his artwork um and it's very it's very good too it's not just
like he he puts a bunch of time into mediocre stuff like it's it's legitimately compelling
art and so i think um you know i also know gold probably put some time into his art too but it's
just you can kind of tell the difference uh between the two and i think individuals like
there there are individuals that will never really master their craft and be the best at what they're
doing doesn't mean that they suck they might they might put out some cool stuff but you you look at
something that's like a complete masterpiece you know there's individuals that are
exceptional at whatever their craft is whether it's music or art or you know podcasting interviewing
like you know we we all like to pick on peter mccormick but he is a good interviewer and not
only is he a good interviewer he's a good marketer he's a he's a good businessman and
all of those things coming together
you know make him a really good podcaster
at the end of the day uh and you know he i i would argue even though i like you know vehemently
disagree with him and i think his british accent is stupid and he should learn how to speak american
him like i think he is the greatest of all time like he's the michael jordan of bitcoin podcasting
you know but like when you look at michael jordan that guy you know is really legit but he was kind
of a complete psychopath you know what i mean and um i think sometimes you kind of have to be a
complete psychopath to like really master your craft like peter has
do you think his british accent's real or do you think he's been faking it this whole time
i think he's actually an undercover american you think okay maybe maybe a jury's still out in in my
book but i mean how would you ever know yeah what were you gonna say that's well i will say for the
metaphor of all podcasters he's the only one that came with a scotty pippen but danny's in this case
i get it i get i would say scotty danny is doing well on his own whereas when michael left
when michael left at the top of his game just like peter mccormick did scotty couldn't bring
the bulls to the finals and i don't know i would say maybe danny does not bring in
bitcoin to the finals just given how much how little we've pumped since uh
since he came on but he's got a chance to go on a great run next year
is it is it danny's fault maybe that we're not is danny the real reason that bitcoin's crashing
i haven't explored that avenue it could be i'm i'm not sure if i'm never sure if danny is
if he's british or if he's from one of the uh the british prison colonies uh down on the other side
of the world i can never i can never keep all the british prison colonies straight
you hear they have nice beaches up um he's a brit that it was got so bad in britain that he moved
to a penal colony and then he decided to go to australia too right but anyway uh
inappropriate wildly inappropriate okay real real talk though vibes are weird this is why i've
started doing these late night live streams uh also because you know uh wife wife is away right
now. So it's like, what are you going to do? Well, you're, you're going to Bitcoin podcast
slash live stream. Like, like, it's just, it's, it's, it's what a man is compelled to do.
And the vibes are strange. Like, I don't know what the fiat cuck buck price is right now.
Let's see. It's like 92,000 infinitely printable fiat cuck bucks per Bitcoin.
It feels to me, it feels to me, and I've said this to a number of people now, it feels to me that
this is going to be one of those times that people look back on like the COVID
crash being like, man, I should have, should have sold that other kidney.
Why do I still have, why did I still have chairs?
Should have backed up the truck as much as I could. And,
and meanwhile, it feels like for a lot of,
a lot of our fellow plebs are getting like slop psyoped into somehow being
bearish while the institutions and nation states are gobbling up sats that could be going into those
plebs cold storage and i just wonder if if plebs slop if the quality of plebs slop has been so low
that the plebs aren't bullish enough or if the plebs slop has been directed in an un like a
non-productive way and that is what's causing like the like the plebs are misaligned with with where
the slop should be leading them. Like the point of slop is to make plebs bullish, right? That's,
that's why it should be the point of all slop, but the slop has been perverted. I think the
slop has been perverted. And a lot of the, the, the energy in the slop has been directed towards,
I think, non-productive, non-bullish narratives. And I don't know. I just, it feels like,
it feels like that's the issue to me. We need to get back to productive,
bullish pleb slop.
Like, yeah, Moonboy Hopium Caps Lock stuff
is super fucking annoying.
But it gets the plebs going.
It gets me going, you know,
and I'm aware that it's slop.
So, like, I don't know.
Where are you guys at on this?
Is the slop not sloppy enough
from a bullish standpoint,
or is there something else at play?
Dick, you're the expert here.
you you are you really are dick um
it's a loaded question i know yeah i don't know i mean i i think it's important i went on a rant
about this last night on uh my stream uh i've been on this on this uh kind of journey of crafting
this narrative for a while that the plebs don't matter there's kind of similar ideas that uh
fesky was talking about last cycle and uh i think it's like one of the things that's
really important is just self-awareness i i i don't like the slop personally like it just doesn't
it doesn't do it for me it doesn't get me excited and i think part of the reason is because i'm not
a plab uh i'm you know actively engaged in in my story in my life like when i think of like a plab
i think of somebody that you know just isn't an active participant like some people may call it
mpcs um but you know it's you know i'm not i'm not talking about like the i'm talking about the
actual definition i think people have tried to you know take the term pleb and they try to
self-identify and say like hey i'm just like a normal person like i'm not i'm not part of the
the elite ruling class or our power player i'm just like a normal person that's interested in
this technology um which i think is you know using the term pleb is is kind of lame because
is it's synonymous with loser,
which a lot of these individuals that refer to themselves as plebs are not losers.
A lot of them are, to be fair.
But a lot of individuals that refer to themselves as plebs,
you know, are active participants in their lives or using their brains
or trying to better themselves and, you know, build things
and, like, pursue a sense of meaning and purpose.
and like bitcoin is a role in that of allowing them to do that which gets them excited about it
but i i think self you know referring to yourself as a pleb if you're an active participant in your
in your life story is it's just it's it doesn't make a whole lot of sense like the the plebs are
the ones that are sitting there slopping up the rizzo slop repeating everything that they hear
larry leppard say and don't you slander larry's name on here i narrated his book and i i won't
stand for it i just gotta let you know because larry's is honest slop it's honest slop because
he is a boomer this is this thing i don't think the this is this goes back to the original thesis
and I'm sorry to interrupt, but I got to here.
I think that if you're not aware, like, I don't know.
If you're a boomer and you're putting some of this stuff out
and you're pro-Bitcoin, I'm willing to let some of the slop slide.
And Larry's version of slop is like the, you know,
like go fuck your mother, asshole,
when he hears like something really stupid
from like some other like boomer economist, you know?
And so like that to me, like telling somebody like,
listen you little shit bag like go fuck yourself that to me is like anti-slop like that that's
that's a that's a way of kind of neutralizing slop but i'm again i'm happy to be corrected here but i
did want to i did want to stand on that and and it's not just because i narrated larry's book
it is actually just because i really like larry and i think that his particular brand
it resonates at least it's honest you know it's unfiltered also it's not trying to be anything
and maybe that's where
the nefarious part of pleb slop comes in
trying to be something that we know it's not
but if you're just honest about it
I don't know
maybe that's a different categorization
well
I mean the way I look at it
I wasn't trying to demean Larry
I just think a lot of things that he does
and says are sloppy
but like you know
part of the thing
there's people that exist
on different parts of the path you know what i mean i feel like the bugle exists at kind of the
end of the path of like you kind of had to have been listening to 40 hours of podcasts a week for
a while to understand what we're talking about and larry's at the like beginning of the path
and you know when when the the problem with the fiat world and the belief in authority in general
It makes you retarded because your entire worldview is essentially having reality dictated to you by people that don't have your self-interest in mind.
And so when you're bought into that system and being manipulated, it just makes you retarded.
And so you come into this idea of Bitcoin as a retard.
and you you need the slop to kind of you know to to meet you because if somebody just starts like
explaining merkle trees to you you know i'm having flashbacks to coming into bitcoin the way you're
you're just connecting so many dots dick like i needed the slop to get started i needed the slop
I needed to get high on some hopium.
I needed to crash on the hopium withdrawal in the bear market.
And through the bear market, I started muting the slop.
And it's kind of just a cycle of everything.
And you're just like, I didn't think about this.
You're just clarifying the history of my life in Bitcoin, Dick.
And I'm sorry to cut you off.
You're just clicking for me.
yeah i mean it's um i mean like the bitcoin standard is slop but it's like effective slop
like it's it's it's slop that got a lot of people started off but like once you learn a lot more and
get more context on the on the nuances of the way the world works you kind of look back
retrospectively and you're just like oh yeah it's just like buzzword after buzzword after buzzword
and um uh you know maybe maybe your tastes change um but uh i think like the uh so i don't i don't
know about the i mean i guess like the the the bullish pleb slop that you're talking about is
like trying to attract new people um that's that's the goal of trying to convince more people to this
you know perspective you know worldview and um like i really believe in in trying to to craft
like compelling stories and narratives like that that's one of my uh passions and
uh the the slop can be done in a compelling way that gets people excited and like i think it's
more i think i would align with what you're describing which is you know what where's the
conversation right now well it's that the government is going to come in and prosecute you
for running a bitcoin note unless you change uh your behavior and convince everybody else to change
their behavior and start filtering transactions like that's not a compelling narrative that gets
anybody excited about anything it's a it's a very like destructive narrative where you know people
are just like oh wow like you know because this is what's going to happen is this endeavor is going
to fail and and one of the reasons why it's going to fail is because it's just not it's not compelling
like if you're if you're out there and you're trying to form bitcoin consensus you have to
convince a lot of players to come to your your perspective and come into alignment with what
you're trying to propagate and these guys that are promoting this agenda have attacked literally
everybody else they've gone out and they they have they've told every mining pool that they're
bad actor all their competitors they have told all these other industry participants
that they're bad actors they have not made friends and they're not going to be successful
as a result of that and whipping up a pleb frenzy of scared people that that think that
you know the government's going to come in and prosecute them for running a bitcoin node
is they're not interacting with anybody that matters that pulls any weight um you know if all
you do is listen to bitcoin podcasts with bitcoin mechanic and then uh go and uh you know buy bitcoin
on on strike or whichever kyc bitcoin exchange and you withdraw it onto your hardware wallet of
choice if that's all you do and then you just yell about how uh glory is like a leftist on twitter
that's your that's your contribution to the world you don't matter you literally have zero
impact or value whatsoever in um doing anything except for maybe irritating individuals that uh actually do have power and influence in the world and um and so that where the narrative at and it a it a pretty lame narrative
and i i do agree that uh but but i i think the price is going to lead the excitement this time
around. I think the Bitcoin is so saturated. I think the price is going to drive the compelling
narratives and the exciting, you know, bolt hearted pleb slop is going to it's going to
follow the price. It's going to be backwards a little bit. So let me ask this, because as you
were saying this, the question that naturally came to my mind, which is quite philosophical in
nature of course and as a podcaster this happens to me very often it's almost i i can't i i can't
help it they've many universities have offered to give me an honorary degree in pleb slop off
office uh pleb slava yeah whatever uh my point being do the ends justify the slop like and i mean
that is in a serious way like because that's kind of what you're getting at right like you're like
you're saying okay uh the bitcoin standard is slop but like it's effective slop like the bitcoin
Standard was hugely formative for me early in my journey, right? Like, very grateful to
safety that he wrote that book. I think that's opened a ton of minds, opened a ton of eyes.
And like, once your eyes are open to how the world works or how you start to think that it
works, then you go down different rabbit holes and figure out like, you weren't even right about
that. You never shut your eyes again. So like, if the plebs slop has the ability to open people's
eyes to the truth does that justify it conversely then what you're describing which i believe
is in relation to the the silent k movement uh that that slop doesn't seem to in my mind and i
know you know i've apparently been been branded as a uh a quartard and things like that for saying
that you should run whatever node software you want and i don't update my node uh you know very
often at all. But we'll let sleeping dogs lie or whatever analogy is appropriate there.
My point being that it seems that there's productive slop and there's unproductive slop.
There is slop that has a net benefit and slop that is net negative. Maybe you could say there's
positive sum slop and negative sum slop. I don't know if zero sum slop exists. Can zero sum slop
exist. And if slop is positive sum, do the ends justify the slop? That would be my question.
I would argue, and I'll take the opposing view here maybe, or maybe it's not opposing, but
I'll say in a lot of cases, the ends do justify the slop. If the slop gets more people to take
Bitcoin into self-custody after getting an appropriately large UTXO so that they're not
just getting dusted out like that that's good slop if the slop makes people uh just to use that same
analogy if the slop makes people think that they should just immediately put the tiny little bit of
bitcoin that they have in a hardware wallet right away and their utxo is just going to eventually
turn to dust because they got psyoped into thinking that they need to like transfer it
immediately or as soon as their dca hits that those sats need to be going to their cold storage
and now those sats are going to be unspendable at some point like that's that's negative some
slop. That's bad slop. So like, I think the ends can justify the slop. If the slop's end result is
that it gets more people using Bitcoin in a positive and constructive way. But I'm happy to
be, you know, maybe you could take the other view that no slop is justifiable. There are other ways
to do it. But maybe it's just that we've been so conditioned by slop throughout everything in our
lives like put a different way is slop a result of the fiat incentive structure and does slop
exist to the same degree in a hyper bitcoinized world i i've asked a lot of questions there so
i'll shut up for a second but i don't know i'm just glad we're exploring this because i
and i want to say dick uh to to you and rod the the creation of plebslop the naming of the beast
I think will go down as one of the most impactful memetic movements that Bitcoin will see this decade.
Maybe this, maybe, maybe ever, right?
Because it's forced, it's really forced a reckoning, I think.
And it's forced a self-evaluation by purveyors of slop.
And if you don't evaluate yourself, if you don't critically look and judge this through this slop lens,
I don't know if you can ever actually get closer to truth.
So I'll pause there for a moment.
I'll have another sip of my delicious Peony Lane wine made by Ben Justman here,
winemaker and podcaster extraordinaire.
This is a value for vino.
This is a value for vino stream also just so everybody knows.
So I do have a financial interest in this in the sense that I'm drinking Ben's wine that he gave me.
So I just want to – my lawyer wanted me to just say that disclaimer.
So I'll stop there now.
Discuss.
before we wrap up the stream i i want to know i don't want to i want to talk about your question
but uh i've got a great plebslot pickup line featuring penny lane um oh okay i'm i'm just
gonna add a little i'm gonna add a note uh to uh to uh the side here so that we make sure that we
hit that because we do need to yeah um do the ends justify the means uh
i mean i think this is uh
i think it's really important to live with integrity and to uh
to not intentionally mislead people and to lie to people so i think you know when you believe
something that's true and you've done work to understand it like like one of the ways that you
avoid getting deranged is you constantly question yourself and your motives like you you look in the
mirror and you try to accurately evaluate yourself and you have other people around you to give you
feedback as to what you're doing people that you trust people that you respect people that have
what you want in your life to keep you in check and make sure you don't you know go off the deep
end and like when they give you feedback that might be uncomfortable it's important to really
like take the heart instead of you know just being like oh you disagreed with me so therefore
you're an idiot like you know really like trying to evaluate it um you know in question you might
disagree with them but you spend the process of thinking that uh and and so i think this pursuit
of of truth is important in in general and i think we can all get you know off the map a little bit
but like i think like you know this having an end goal and trying to intentionally mislead people
into getting to that end goal is problematic and we're experiencing this right now of like
you know universally across the world individuals have been a part
of people trying to mislead them in a certain direction we're dealing with the consequences
right now there's there's blowback from it and part of the reason why i don't particularly like
to uh uh partake in the in the sloth is uh it you know it sets me back like you know i i could have
a lot further reach but it's just not my intention is to to like really get a lot of you know
validation from the plebs or whatever like i just want to to say what i think is important
and uh tell compelling stories like that's that's my goal like i i just enjoy the process
you know crafting these uh these stories like it's just it's a fun thing to do and like it feels
really good when people respond to it and see it is validating but like i just don't really
you know care about um like a broader acceptance of like attempting to like get it launched on the
podconf tour you know whatever but um so i think that's that's the key is just like you know with
you can slop but don't lie and don't don't just um and i think you know have that process of
critical evaluation because like when when you're intentionally trying to mislead people i think is
just a general disrespect for other people and i think people might find you know they might
accuse me of being disrespectful because i uh you know could be a little bit sharp with criticism
sometimes but i don't think the the criticism is is necessarily disrespectful i just think it's
it's um you know like i try to be truthful with it um you know and oftentimes i'll criticize people
but also um you know share what what i do like about them it's not like this person is is entirely
bad um but i like i think you know a lot of the problems because you look at the way that
discourse happens generally from what i've seen is a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to
worry about what other people think and and how they live and and what should be done like drugs
should be illegal because somebody's gonna do it and not take care of their family or uh you know
this the law should be set in place because you know we need to take care of these people
and it's it's kind of a stupid waste of energy to spend a bunch of time you know in like the
Bitcoin ecosystem does this a lot where they're like, we need to fix the money so that we can fix
the world. We need to fix the incentives, you know, and, you know, make everything better for,
you know, the fiat idiots who, you know, don't listen to Bitcoin podcasts and read the Bitcoin
standard and use the language that we use. You know, the reality is, is like, I think,
you know you have to think for yourself and and focus on your own life your own success
the things that you control and believing that other people have the capacity to do that
is having an attitude of respect for other individuals and not not having this you know
very arrogant perspective of like i have the power to make decisions over other people's lives
uh you know through through these policies or you know you know whatever like being
uh a control over other people and i i really think it's through the empowerment and inspiring
like one of the ways that you empower people is you inspire them and i think if you inspire
other individuals to think for themselves mostly by being an example you know start pursuing things
that are important to them instead of being a you know a slave to the system uh you know just
surrendering their mind to you know thought leaders or gurus or you know leader whatever it is
uh that's really where where the change happens uh and i i think oftentimes you know just the
emphasis because the problem with the slop you need something beyond the slop that that's
compelling like the the slop is what what brings people in but you need something to keep people
compelled interested engaged in it like if this if this ecosystem in these ideologies which
a lot of us believe in this this idea of separating money and state and kind of libertarian
ish libertarian is such a dirty word it's it's been ruined by those retards in politics but
um you know just this idea of liberty in general if if those are are compelling narratives like you
you need because like what i've seen this happen over and over again where people will come in
they'll be all excited about these things and then they'll kind of get tired of the slop
they'll get tired of not seeing things change and they'll just become like grumpy status
and they'll hate the jews or whatever it is that they get into and in that's all resulting from a
compelling you know storytelling and um and stuff to keep people engaged uh
because it's just like you know there's more to life than just you know buying bitcoin and waiting
for the world to fall apart like there is that'll that'll only keep you entertained for a couple of
years you know what i mean like you need something beyond that um and i think that's that's where i
get frustrated and what i think is missing in this ecosystem in general i think it's it's missing
in a lot of different areas of the world and so like my quest is to or one of my quests is to
to really go find these individuals that are creating compelling stories and and really uh
uh you know trying to like promote them and and work with them so i mean i i just don't i don't
think the like if you if you teach somebody to not be retarded like the slop just doesn't
it doesn't hit the same you know what i mean you need something beyond that
ben where are you at with this because i i think that i think that that's fair the problem is that
there's there's a lot of retards out there and and we can all have these tendencies of course
but you know it's it's like you know the the meme of that one guy who's probably probably not a great
dude you know or something i'm sure there's lots of reasons that we we shouldn't quote a guy like
that but he did cut you know the the kind of arab looking guy with a big old beard is like you know
problem with democracy is like it's you know like the people are retarded like well you know like
i don't know if we like i don't know if we fix that but then then i'd love your over
gosh this is peony lane wine um i'd love your take on this where where are you at with this
do you do you share dick's opinions regarding the the slop and just again i think this this
comes back to people's resistances to it like it comes back to where we started that just most
people like most people just gobble up the slop like that's why i've been putting that one weird
pig that got memed with sydney sweeney uh you know and then put into a lex friedman suit that's
why i've been putting him as the thumbnail for all these live streams because to me that pig is like
really just a perfectly emblematic uh so for some reason it just it just feels like sloppy
like that pig just gobbles up slop you know it uh but yeah ben where are you at well first i want
to just give a shout out to uh dick greaser's integrity um journalistic integrity came to mind
a lot, but especially the word integrity with a lot of that, that was like, um, like I'm not
joking that that just really hit me as a well said. And I think in kind of the context of what
we're talking about, it, it makes me think about, yeah, sure. This arc of our journey where
you kind of need something memetic, you need something stupid or, or whatever to, to just
pierce your barrier and the way you think about the world and get you interested.
And you're probably going to get high off that for a little bit until you start really
diving deep, especially, I mean, into Bitcoin, especially.
And when we're talking about like existence on Twitter, posting on Twitter and what you
like do and value there um i think it becomes i mean everyone has different incentives everyone's
trying to build different things um some people just want dopamine hits some people just want to
fuck around and say whatever the hell they want um some people are looking to like build a following
build connections just actually learn things whatever um and i think the amount of blood
Slop you get and the nuance within that kind of starts to tell you like what someone's actually
looking for and Twitter and Nostra whatever is just like a you know it's one side of a person
but um in thinking about it like for myself like I got sucked into Pleb Slop and um couldn't get
enough of it and um you know Pleb Slop changed my life but I would say I've grown out of it and the
last time I really was plebslop, it was kind of euphoric.
It was a coming of age.
It was getting above my cost basis and feeling finally like the weight lifted off my shoulders
of being down in the bear market for so long that, I don't know, I haven't felt that euphoria
since and I haven't really plebslopped that hard since.
But I think there's just there's a lot of wanting for engagement.
And then there's a lot of also wanting deeper connections.
And I find there the deeper connections don't really scale as far as social media goes.
They don't really scale as far as response goes.
And so they get muted out and you have to really curate your feed to find them and define those people.
so it takes work to to once you once you're kind of over the pleb slop you've had enough of it it
takes work to keep continuously clearing it off to find the stuff that you really want to engage in
the connections you really want to have and it's gratifying to find those other people and once
I don't know there's just I feel like I've just seen so many pleb slops over the years that it's
just like every so many things read like that and i i do like i have nothing bad to say about
lawrence lapard i think he's a good guy and i've you know meeting him a few times nothing but good
things to say about him the title of his book is pure plebslop like that is the justice that is
like plebslop to a t the big print that's why we're all here that's what got us all in um and
that's probably like that combined with the quality of his book is is you know just what
dick was saying is like there's something behind it the pleb slop brought them in and there's
something there and it'd be one thing if the bitcoin pleb slop was just that and it was just
it was the crypto pleb slop that's gonna like that leads to nothing but at least with pleb slop
for bitcoin there's some real substance behind it and it's just that's gonna bring you in so yes
The ends justify the slop in my mind.
And I hope slopping continues because my family still needs to get into the slop.
They still need to get addicted to that shit.
And I have one cousin who's addicted, and it's great to see.
I love seeing his slop that he posts on Instagram.
It brings me back to my glory days when I first got into slop.
And I'm excited for him to move past it because it's also cringe for me to see
because I used to post that same shit,
but it's a phase we all have to go through for the most part.
You know, it's funny.
It's like with Bitcoin, maybe it's come for the plebslop,
stay for the revolution.
Maybe plebslop's top of the funnel ultimately
when it comes to bringing people in, right?
Necessarily so.
I think to contrast it with, quote, crypto,
it's like that's not even plebslop.
that's just like it's like vc slop it's like it's like it's it's it's it's grifter side i don't know
what it is it's just somehow like i don't even want to put it together because i don't think
there's anything that can even be virtuous about it by nature of the shit coins that you're hawking
through it you know what i mean or it's like like i it just feels like that's just like this whole
this whole like zcash uh manufactured this support from you know just so happens like all the vcs are
really showing it hard and all the biggest you know crypto uh pumpers are just showing it really
hard that they all just suddenly cared about privacy you know hey it's amazing we all came
to this conclusion at the exact same time shocking right shocking we were wrong because it pumped so
what can you do yeah you know but it's it's like i i don't know i i think that there
ultimately is a place for pleb slop.
But here's something that, Dick,
and I think this was part of the brilliance
of you guys really kind of coining this term,
is that if you're offended by somebody saying
that you're engaging in pleb slop,
then you're telling on yourself, right?
If you're offended by it, you're telling on yourself.
And I don't think I still just haven't even seen most people come to that realization.
But are you with me on this stick that like anyone, if you are, if you are accused of pleb
slop, you get like really offended by that.
That's just kind of like, it's like, well, you know, like now we know you told on yourself.
Is that is that how you're viewing this as well?
Yeah.
I love that people are mentioning Cratter in the live stream chat.
Which live stream?
Because we've got a couple on here.
Is this on SlopTube?
I'm watching the Riverside chat right now,
so it's probably a few platforms.
Yeah, yeah.
People like to tell on themselves for sure.
I mean, it's just, it's been, it's just been interesting to see over time people kind of reveal themselves.
And I think the fun thing about the Bugle is like our agenda is just to report the news.
And people are kind of baffled by that oftentimes.
hives they're trying to they're constantly trying to figure out what our ulterior motive is uh
and people get mad at us you know and the people that get mad at us are you know it's funny uh
it's just it's you know the the entire ecosystem that we exist in
is the conversation is predominantly driven by people with an agenda to sell a trinket to a pleb
and uh it makes it confusing but yeah the the trinket salesmen oftentimes they they get a little
bit frustrated with us and it's uh i wish they would uh send me angry emails long drawn out
emails but i i haven't really got it the only person i've gotten that from was safety in one
time uh what what is your email so people know uh where to send their hate mail because i know
you you said this when we the last time we were potting together and you were like i wish i just
i just want people to take the time to send me like a just some real quality hate mail not
plebs top hate mail like real quality so where should people direct their hate mail if they
really just if if it's non-slop hate mail like really put some time into it people if you're
if you're gonna you know tell dick how you feel like don't don't and don't you use ai because dick
will know you know uh the bitcoin bugle at protonmail.com it's the place to send it there we
go yeah i mean one thing i want to talk about like one of the things i like about both you guys is
you both are living out compelling stories and you share bits of it pieces of it which i think is uh
is helpful it's helpful for people to see examples like walker you're building a family
you're a bitcoin podcaster you're an active participant in your life
you got your you know your wife is also an active participant uh it's cool to watch
and you know ben you're building a business like furthering a family family legacy
you know with your dad um you you care about your craft one of the things i love about the
way that you market things is like you're telling the story of the wine
like local colorado small town multi-generational project
like you know both of those things both of you guys are living into you know this idea of being
an active participant and telling a compelling story and you're you know for for people to see
like you're being legitimate examples in a world that's so full of poor examples and um
i don't think that's slop and like i appreciate that
yeah i i have a question for you yeah thank you i appreciate it oh go ahead ben um it where's your
What's your stack hodler slot?
I don't know what stack hodler is.
Damn.
Okay.
Walker, what do you think?
I, I, I find, I find his, like, I enjoy his posts.
I will say, and like, I've reached out to him before being like, hey, like,
because he, he tends to cut through a lot of the, the bullshit sentiment.
At times, recently I've noticed, and Stack, if you're listening to this, I mean this with the utmost respect, I've noticed a little bit of a twinge of slop in there.
It feels a little bit less pure than what it used to be, which I think was really honestly pure signal and cutting through the rest of the slop.
It was the signal amidst the noise of slop.
Now, I don't know if it's just a sign of the times.
I don't know what it is.
but I like I like I don't know personally I generally like his posts uh both like you know
liking them like hey that's nice and also like you know smashing that like button
but yeah that's a fine line I would say that that would be just sometimes just on the verge
I don't think that's full-blown pleb slop like I think that we have so many other clear examples
of like really, I mean, like pure bread plebslop,
that it feels almost unfair to categorize that as plebslop.
I don't know where you're at with that, Ben.
Well, I would say the worst thing you could say about it
is it's the thing that's going to wean you off plebslop.
Yeah.
It's like methadone.
Exactly, exactly.
No, like that's the thing.
Like at least, at least it's, uh, it's well thought out. It's a, it's original. It's not,
cause that's the thing so much, uh, pleb slop is just formulaic, right? It's easily like,
that's, that's the whole point of it. It's like, it's just, and at least I feel like
when I was getting into Bitcoin, you know, back in my day, uh, during the depths of,
of COVID insanity.
I feel like this slop was somehow,
I mean,
maybe everybody says this.
Everybody said,
you know,
back in my day,
we had real pleb slop,
you know,
not this,
you know,
whatever generic version,
Walmart brand pleb slop.
It just felt like the pleb slop was better,
you know?
And maybe,
again,
maybe everybody says that,
but now it's just like,
and again,
the vibes have just been weird.
Like it's just been weird that we've got this co-host,
of people who are definitely not comprised of a lot of bots and feds they're all actual people
who just happen to hold really tenuous grips on reality i think which is honestly more sad
but i respect their right to believe whatever they want and to believe in the efficacy of
whatever they want um i support their right to identify as a silent k but it's just so like
low grade like it's just like really like yeah i don't know like uh just rough just like it's
really rough slop it's like you wouldn't even feed this slop to pigs i wouldn't even feed it
to the eastern european lex friedman dressed plebslot pig that i have in this thumbnail you
know because the pig would turn up his nose at this slop like it's just like but somehow it's
working like somehow it's like it's convincing people that that this is this is the righteous
path. And that's, what's crazy to me. It's like, have we fallen so far that we are convinced,
you know, that we are made to believe we are on the cause of the righteous and the just,
uh, and you know, the, the, the true that we're on the mission with this low quality of slop,
like not many things make me lose hope, but boy, that, that is, uh, that that's one of them that
starts to get me there. It's like, boy, you know, what's that, what's that thing? It's like,
Like, I care not for your booze.
Like, I've seen what makes you cheer.
That thing, you know?
It's kind of like that.
Like, man, just low grade.
Like, do better.
If you're going to slop, at least do better.
Like, at least put in some effort to your slop.
Stop with your overly wordy memes that aren't funny at all.
Like, if your memes aren't funny, you're probably on the wrong side of things, generally.
For me, that's always a good barometer.
It's like if your memes suck, it generally means you don't have the truth on your side.
If you have to have too many words in your memes, it probably means, well, one, it's obviously not funny because like you shouldn't need very many words, right?
Unless it's like a meta meme where that's like the whole point sidebar.
But like if your memes suck, you're probably not on the quote right side.
But also even dividing it into sides, it's like it's creating a false dichotomy right there.
Like the whole sides thing, like us versus them within this Bitcoiner space is already slop.
Like that's already slop.
So here I go.
And, you know, and now who am I to say, like, here I am falling into slop traps by doing an us versus them.
Because it isn't an us versus them.
If you have the same consensus rules as me, we're Bitcoiners.
And if you don't, okay, you can feel free to fork right off.
And I also just don't care what you do.
I'm just saying, like, do whatever you want.
I don't fucking care.
Just have better memes at least.
have a little bit of integrity with your memes, put in a little bit more thought. And if you can't
make your memes good, then maybe you just need to reevaluate your position. Because like the memes
are essentially a way to distill truth into easily digestible, easily spreadable formats. That's what
a meme is. That's why everyone says the left can't meme. And it's true. Like the left's memes
generally just suck because they don't have truth on their side. Like communists can't meme.
they can't like you ever seen a communist that could mean have you ever seen a good communist
meme it's not possible actually you can't have a good communist meme because communism is fucking
retarded like you just you can't do it you can't do it and so it's like if your memes suck then then
like look in the mirror you know you need to listen to like uh jimmy door the come town podcast
There's some communists that are pretty good.
Okay.
They're fully retarded.
They start talking about anything.
Their memes are good, but then they start talking,
like trying to explain their memes,
and they're just, they kind of get retarded.
But yeah, there's some good leftist memers.
But yeah, I get what you're saying, broadly speaking.
Yeah, okay.
We can find exceptions to a rule,
but broadly speaking, the left can't meme.
And it's not even that the right can meme that well,
but they just certainly are better at it.
Like not so much like the,
the statist cuck,
right.
But more of like the,
I don't know,
whatever you want to call them,
you know,
whatever label you put on them,
like the less statist D right.
Like,
cause that's the thing is like,
it's ultimately like it's,
it's status all the way down,
whether it's left or right.
Right.
Like that's where we've gotten to now is that basically everybody is just a
bit of a statist cuck.
And it's just like what color statist cuck you want to be like,
you want to be a red status cuck or a blue status cuck.
Like you get to choose Coca-Cola or Pepsi Cola.
like it's it's up to you no mountain dew cuckery though none of that certainly not any dr pepper
cuckery oh i didn't even mean to bring up dr pepper but you know because we all know what
that means here yeah i so the left versus right like attempt to to put people on these sides
i consider that like fighting words like some got someone walks up to the bar whispers in your
i fucked i'm ready i'm gonna fuck your wife tonight you know you turn around you're like
okay loser um and then they just keep on like spitting in your face and like getting up in it
and just like being really aggressive i feel like that's what the left and right attempt to like
categorize people in the left and right it's very you know insulting it's like it's just it's
it's lame like it's very lame like hey we're watching you know the people on the right and
the left you know argue back and forth about absolutely nothing and they just like completely
miss the point of what's going on right now and you're trying to like replicate that
in this ecosystem which is supposed to be about you know thinking about things a little bit more
critically and uh you know pursuing truth it's like yeah you know fuck you dude i'm gonna
i'm not gonna stand for this but um yeah it's uh
it's funny just looking at like the left and the right divide like you're watching the right wing
media ecosystem like there was this huge kind of uh i don't know what you call it but like
you know movement and it all kind of culminated with trump or ended with trump getting uh
selected and then charlie kirk getting assassinated and now it's in shambles
but there's like an interesting dynamic in the in the narrative in the united states i imagine this
is globally but i think it's mostly in the united states is this idea of an underdog story like this
resistance story like the origin story of the united states with the revolutionary war against
the british is this idea of like these underdogs going up against the biggest uh you know empire
in the world and they they replicate this in the political process every four years
where and you see this oscillation back and forth between the right and the left or the right will
be the you know the incumbents and represent the the empire and the left will be the resistance
against that like the george bush years you know with obama coming against it you know being anti-war
it oscillates back and forth and you know back and forth and back and forth
and captivates people in it thinking that they're like a part of the the resistance and like the
right has completely fallen off right now because they're the incumbents like guess what
all you guys that bought into this bullshit probably voted for a pedophile
who's like gaslighting you about the epstein list and uh you know printing a fuck ton of money and
launching a slot of meme coins and you know implementing a bunch of central uh planning
bullshit and in furthering the survey doing all the same bullshit um but maybe he doesn't like
transgender bathrooms so it's a little bit better than the other guy but like um
this oscillation you know back and forth and kind of the the hijacking of this narrative of like
you know the the underdog resistance is like you know people in the united states need to realize
that they live in the capital city of the hunger games the capital district
district number one you're not the underdog you're living in a country whose government is
going and pillaging the rest of the world
Trump's like
you know angling like he's going to
invade Venezuela who knows what's going to happen
there but like that's not the underdog
type situation
at all
and
you know who's the underdog in the story
is the individual
standing up against
the system which is trying to extract
wealth from you like that's the real
underdog and you don't
You don't, by participating in the system and giving legitimacy to it,
you're actually giving legitimacy to the empire and not the underdog in the story.
In no way are you rebelling.
If the left's in power and you're on the right,
you're trying to get your pedophile elected,
you're not the underdog.
You're just being duped by plebslot, by political plebslot.
And same thing goes for the left.
the people on the left are getting a wild right now and i think their memes are going to be
a lot better because the right's just going to be trying to gaslight you this you know for the
next few years into why the the incumbent that's doing all this bullshit is like legitimate and
good well at least it's not the democrats it's like and these guys are trying to bring this type of
stuff to um this you know social ecosystem is lame
you know okay first of all uh dick you're just you're bringing the heat tonight i gotta say
uh second of all i think political slop is like quite possibly the worst type of slop
because it's just the most disingenuous.
Because the ultimate goal of that slop,
at least the ultimate goal, hopefully,
of most, hopefully, Bitcoin pleb slop
is to get more people onboarded into Bitcoin.
That's at least a righteous goal.
That's a noble pursuit.
And I think the ends justify the means in that case.
And I'm talking specifically,
I'm not talking about all the Bitcoin pleb slop
that's out there right now, obviously.
I'm not talking about Silent K pleb slop.
I'm talking about orange pilling pleb slop right that's at least noble political pleb slop it's
like you're just slopping to try and convince people to vote for your side because like that
like is just the different side of like the same coin ultimately it's just like oh okay like who's
gonna steal more from me who's gonna grow the government a little bit less or a little bit more
depending on what I like because they're both growing the government like it doesn't matter
Who's going to print like a little bit more or a little bit less money?
Who's going to give me more free shit?
Who's going to send me another stimmy check?
Who going to forgive my student loans Like who who give me more free shit It like the mean you know like you know put it there It like who going to give me more shit That ultimately what political slop is catering towards
And it's just ultimately, like, it's just kind of gross.
And something you were saying, though, Dick,
it made me think, because I was saying,
I made the statement, you know, the left can't meme.
And that's obviously right-wing pleb slop also.
Like, just that statement inherent.
Like, if we look at the meta slop.
but I think what you were just saying that made me think of this is the reason that we the perception
has correctly been that the left cannot meme is because at least for uh for a while the left was
the incumbent right and be if you are the incumbent your memes are going to be just not quite as good
right if like if you're the underdog you have the ability to create a better memetic narrative I
think like just necessarily so and so maybe that's it it's like you know because boy like there's a
lot of fodder for for memes for the left right now if they want to if they if they if they're
paying attention the left has the capability they've got all the tools to be able to to do
some pretty good memeing like trump makes that easy in a lot of ways right and trump is like
also this kind of like really just incredible memetic force of his own right and it's it's
Honestly, like it's insane to see.
The dude is like love him or hate him or don't give a flying fuck.
Like he is a unique individual and has a very unique energy about him.
And boy, he's good at the pleb slop, man.
Like Trump is a master of pleb slop.
That I think like you, no one can deny that.
Right.
And there's some truth behind a lot of his slop, but a lot of it is just like, it is just complete slop.
but there's the arguments to justify sending out $2,000 stimmy checks.
That's slop.
Like the fact that he was talking about it while talking about 50 year
mortgages at the McDonald's conference is just like mimetically beautiful
somehow unintentionally.
So,
but really mimetically beautiful as Bitcoin's crashing.
Like there's so many layers to that.
It's incredible,
but there's like Trump is a,
he's a slop pusher.
You know,
every politician must be like,
that's how they,
you know,
maybe Thomas Matt,
I would say Thomas Massey is probably the least slop pusher
of the politicians that we have in the U.S. right now.
I don't know where you guys are at with him.
But to me, he at least feels like, again, if he is engaging in slop,
it's at least a little more justified.
At least he's not just, you know,
kowtowing and voting with whatever the party line is.
At least he has some balls to be able to say,
no, I think that's fucking stupid.
Because that's what, like, if you can't do that,
if you can't just step back and say, like,
my side is doing something that's fucking stupid then it's like well your opinion is just it's not
actually real you don't you don't actually have an opinion you just have a party line and you're
not willing to to cross it because you've been duped into thinking that i cannot possibly say
anything bad about insert my team color like can't say anything bad about red team can't say
anything about blue team because i'm on that team those that can when they're perceived like if you
can say bad things about red team when you're perceived as being on the red team if you can say
bad things about blue team when they do stupid stuff when you're perceived as being in the blue
team i'll at least have a little bit of respect for you because i know that you're at least trying
to tell the truth and you're not just kind of willfully going along with the party line of
whatever the pleb slop du jour happens to be so ben you're awfully quiet you might need some more
you might need some more peony lane wine apparently i've been pounding it peony lane wine
peony lane wine it will make you less pleb sloppy but it'll make you a little more sloppy
yeah uh i'm still working so i pretty much you're killing it dude um so i i want to
unfortunately like i pretty much always go the positive route but where this is bringing me is
a little bit of a downer in terms of like the discourse across slop lines.
And so I had a post blow up on threads last week.
And it's never happened to me before, but I pushed the right button
and I talked shit about socialism.
And the slop I received in response for that was insane.
and the memes were horrible and everything sounded like a bot like every post that was long was just
like frustrated like what what are you even talking about it was the same thing over and
over the same people saying the same stuff and um unfortunately it made me think about the times
where like i've said something jokingly anti-bitcoin that people didn't you know people who didn't know
me saw it and didn't know I was joking or something like that. And I got the same kind
of responses from Bitcoiners, um, very sloppy responses that were all repeating the same
thing, all like not getting it just disconnected. And, you know, part of that's just, it's social
media. I don't have time to know who you are. I don't have time to hear you out. I'm just
going to respond quickly and um but like commenting have fun staying poor or you get it at the price
you deserve or like all the the common bitcoin slop phrases it just it just doesn't get anywhere
because like i i feel like the people who receive those comments hear those things in the exact same
way that i was hearing these pro-communist comments of just like that's total bullshit
and stupid and not like I've looked into this as much as I need to and don't need to take your
opinion seriously because you're some random person online and it's it's unfortunate because
taken to the extreme is what most of us are seeing is in terms of the political slop and
like the downstream effects of that are people getting sucked into the political slop and
posting on social media that if you voted for Trump I'm not friends with you anymore I don't
want to associate with you anymore. And coming from a place where, you know, most of my friends
throughout my entire life and me throughout my entire life voted Democrat and the socialist
Democrat, you know, it's harmful to relationships because those conversations are difficult to have
because people are so sucked into slop and not willing to go deeper than that. And these triggers
are like somehow ingrained in our minds that you need to get triggered on these certain statements
and you i don't know how they do it man the cia or whoever this is is incredible at what they do
um because it's working and it's dividing us and it's frustrating and it's really fun
to pick a team in a duopoly it just sucks when that really matters like i am
hardcore coke dude fuck pepsi but that doesn't matter you know i'll probably drink a pepsi if
someone offers me a pepsi and coke but when it comes to politics and like it sucks to see the
division in america and listening to you guys like i pretty much i don't even know what silent k
beats like i have no idea i mean i have an idea what you guys are talking about but i've never
heard that before and you guys are so much more deep into the the world of the the knots first
core movement and walker like i've heard you talk about it and i've i've seen you talk about it and
um i'm like damn i just have no interest in it one i'm it's just not something i'm interested in
um and i'm just like i'm just trying to be me online um well so like i don't care to take a
stand on that um and i'm like damn you going for it you're gonna you're gonna take that the brunt
of that shit i've seen it i know it's i know and then uh dick i'm like you have such a great time
with it and you've leaned into it and you've also seen all the shit uh but i think people approach
you differently in how they respond to you on that uh but you've also fucking attacked and made
some enemies. It's been hilarious. Like having, like I've never watched Matt Crater's show.
I just don't watch YouTube Bitcoin content personally. And, but he shouted me out a number
of times and I appreciate that. And I've watched those to see what's up and it seems like a great
guy. I've never met him. But just like having that context of like, this seems like a nice dude.
And then like knowing Dick, I'm like, this is a great dude.
Like very thoughtful.
And seeing these, it's wild, man.
Things are so heated up.
And it's all these like people that I know that are so great in so many other contexts
and are riled up into this us versus them mentality.
It's hard to watch.
And I think that that's why I've kind of muted it out.
It's also just like, I feel like I formed an ambivalent opinion about it pretty early.
and was surprised that it's still going on, honestly.
Now I kind of get why, I guess.
But for a little bit, I was like, damn, they're still talking about that.
So I applaud you guys for being vocal about your opinions in public.
And I guess this is my coming out party to the few people watching that.
I don't care. I'm good.
um yeah i'm i guess in the in the dick greaser way of saying it he'll be uh
disappointed in me calling myself a pleb that my opinion does not matter here dude you're you're a
pioneer you're here but you yeah i mean you could you could definitely uh you anybody has the right
to say i don't really have a strong opinion on the subject because i just don't know about it
more people should actually take that stance that that's a reasonable that's a very reasonable
and and sensible stance to take go ahead dick um like if somebody's gonna ask me about uh
quantum resistance at bitcoin
which i've spent no time understanding because it just sounds like a bunch of
sloth fear slop to me but you know it could be a real issue i just haven't ever prioritized it but
i just don't really have an opinion on it because i don't know it's just not my my expertise like
you know most of like the journalism my practice is is engaged in like the the social aspect of
this stuff um but uh yeah i mean it's uh i'm kind of amazed that you know the reason why this debate
goes on and i've kind of wondered if um you know this whole movement has just been like an elaborate
performance art trolling campaign
whatever's going on there's a lot of sophisticated individuals that are very like knowledgeable at
manipulating people uh both from like the just like inherent like language and talking but also
like what you were describing ben is uh there's this game of influencing perception online
with bots you know and really artificially amplifying stuff and i think there's a lot of
that you know this is something that was discussed a lot in the block size wars is uh
there there was a lot of pseudo spoofing happening within the various factions that
were arguing with each other i don't think it was as clear oversimplification to say small
blockers versus big blockers and i think it's a oversimplification to uh try and paint it as like
core versus uh uh ocean and crater but um uh
yeah i mean it's a it's a i mean the reason why it keeps on going on is because these guys just
keep on saying stupid things and like all these all these people that are you know somewhat
informed and intelligent just cannot resist don't get on people like you got a pleb coming out here
issuing the most retorted purity test based on
goo goo gaga pleb slop and it's just it's so hard to control yourself you just like i'm just gonna
just absolutely pulverize you know this guy that that has no self-awareness that that thinks that
it's like when a child comes from the kids table and hurls a uh handful of mashed potatoes right
at your face can you resist just slapping him you try to i guess but that's that
That's slightly different because the kid may not know better.
But what we're talking about are fucking adults that should.
Alleged, I mean, alleged adults.
They could be bots.
But they're not, and you can't call them bots because you can't possibly.
That's just super offensive.
By the way, it's really offensive.
I want to say, Ben, I think you have actually taken the appropriate stance on this,
which is you're trying to run a business.
you are actually walking the walk you are building a business around bitcoin and bitcoiners in the
bitcoin community for anyone that doesn't know that hasn't seen seen us drink it you built a
business around peony lane wine you guys should go and order some peony lane wine it's awesome
ben accepts bitcoin for it he went and started selling it at farmers markets for bitcoin having
a bitcoin accepted here and then you change it to a bitcoin preferred here sign if i if i remember
correctly that's like for those of us that have been following your journey i think it's been
fucking amazing. Like it's been amazing to see because you actually walk the walk and you talk
the talk and you drink the drink and you wine the wine and you all the other things. This like,
this is what Bitcoin is all about is enabling somebody like you to do things in a really low
time preference way to create a really amazing product that people are willing to part like
creating such a great product that people are willing to part with the scarcest money that has
ever existed in exchange for that product that means your product is fucking good they're like
that that that means something and so for you to be like yeah you know i just don't really have an
opinion on this fucking like fucking great like because you don't need to because this is not
going to go on forever this is like right now a lot of people have this has turned into an identity
politics thing that that's what's ultimately happened it's weaponized identity politics
And it's the same. I think that's why the slop is so particularly bad in this particular arena is because it's ultimately just political slop. It's just dumbed down political slop. And I know a lot of people have, again, made this part of their identity. Like that's what identity politics is so that you can't even hear an opinion contrary to your own without taking it as a personal affront.
Like this is the definition of identity politics.
Anyone that's not with us must be against us.
And they must also hate children and want Bitcoin to be destroyed.
And what we really need is to be getting daddy government in here to tell us what's okay to do.
While we have fucking open source software developers like the Samurai Wallet Devs, like Bitcoin Fog, like Tornado Cash, like being literally prosecuted for writing software.
but you want a little bit more of daddy government to come in there.
Like, give me a fucking break.
And so what I want to say is like,
I applaud you for just fucking focusing on your craft,
accepting Bitcoin, actually using Bitcoin,
something a lot of these people who are screeching online probably don't,
and just fucking living your life because that's what you should be doing.
That's the whole fucking point of Bitcoin
is that you can just focus on your craft,
try to get better at something.
Try to just get a little bit better at something.
maybe try to be the best at something if you can be
try to live your life
focus on family
focus on what matters
focus on spending time outside and touching fucking grass
and not being a whiny little bitch
all the time
and just fucking let this stuff blow over
like because
and I'm sorry this is going to offend
a lot of people but
like it's not going to amount
to anything
do whatever you want I don't care
I do not care what you do.
I fully support you doing whatever the fuck you want.
As long as you're listening to 40 hours
of Bitcoin podcast per week, we're on the same side.
Maybe you're listening to more pleb slot podcasts than I am.
But ultimately, I think, Ben,
that you are a really great example
of just living the Bitcoin ethos.
And I think we need more of that.
You make fucking great wine
and you sell it for Bitcoin.
That's fucking cool.
That's just like, that's just an undeniably cool thing.
So fucking like, and you're, you may now,
but just so you know,
you've now been on a podcast with me and Dick,
which means you're automatically going to get labeled
probably a bad actor.
You're going to get put into some really just,
just terrible memes probably.
And I don't mean terrible, like, oh, they're so hurtful.
I mean, terrible, like they're just bad.
Like they're just weak.
They're low T memes.
And you know what?
But because silence is violence, ultimately.
Have you guys noticed that that's also a tactic that's been used?
They've literally used the silence is violence thing, and it's like, God.
It's just embarrassing at this point.
But I digress.
What I'm trying to say, Ben, is I appreciate you.
Do whatever the fuck you want.
Just keep making wine and keep living the Bitcoin ethos
and keep orange-pilling people by giving them a great product
that they're willing to exchange their hard-earned sats for
after they finally get orange-pilled on the Bitcoin.
Keep having Bitcoin be preferred.
You're doing a fucking great job.
You're leading by example.
And the rest of you fucking listening,
maybe you can't make one,
but you can do something to create more value
than just posting slop on the internet.
That's what I'll say.
Rant concluded.
Cheers, man.
Takes a lot of courage not to join the bandwagon.
You get to do whatever you want to.
It's your decision.
if you choose not you yeah you got to see that there's more than just the bandwagon and i think
the the best thing about what i do like the the the world that i've been able to see in bitcoin
is i don't just see like a bunch of influencers i don't see a bunch of you know people arguing about
stupid shit um core knots like i that's one of many stupid shit arguments um
is i i interact with people who like really fucking care about the mission and they really
care about the connections and i've really cared like i was the same way so it's it's just been
the perfect opportunity for me to connect with people who really care about Bitcoin and connecting
with other Bitcoiners. And a lot of that is like loneliness in the sense of, you know, there's,
I don't, I have a one, I have a few Bitcoin homies around, but I need more. And I don't know,
I, the thing that kept me going, like found Bitcoin, freaked out, Bitcoiners started buying
my wine. And then at the bottom of the bear, some Bitcoiners really made a point to pay in Bitcoin.
And I held that Bitcoin. And I'll always remember that because it was a pretty low time in my life
for more than just Bitcoin reasons. So I really felt that it's really been there for me. And the
community aspect of Bitcoin is not something that I just like the Twitter community, the people
online. It's these people who like really make a meaningful difference, really care and really want
to vote with their money and see Bitcoin succeed. And I don't think a lot of people really get to
see that. I like I'm the outlet for a lot of people. They've never bought anything with Bitcoin
before. I can't. It's special every time. I can't tell you how many times people have have told me
this is the first thing that I've ever bought. It's like physical thing I've ever bought with Bitcoin.
and that's telling to me that like people need more of these connections so yeah i'm doing it
uh it's obvious that i should be doing it it's obvious that every business should be doing it
but they're not and i hope that more and more do and it becomes desensitized to spend your bitcoin
or um i get less and less people saying that you're the first place i ever spent my bitcoin
You know, that means we're winning. That means we're doing great. And it's hard to see the fighting because we're like, I don't care where you land on core versus knots. I care that you use Bitcoin as money. I care that we take money printing away from the state.
and I don't know I like I have this unique perspective in the sense that I'm always
interacting with that I have people that are like it's due to some frustrating alcohol regulations
it's harder to buy my wine with bitcoin than it is fiat and for for years literally the only way
you could buy my wine with bitcoin was to text me to dm me and I would send you an invoice that
It would expire in an hour.
So I'd have to send four invoices until you checked your DMs.
And it's hard.
But people are like, I have to pay with Bitcoin.
And it's not just online.
Like when I had that tasting room or when I had the farmer's market stand, it was maybe one person a week would pay with Bitcoin.
And those people were so pumped.
one of my favorites is
well one I had a guy wait
40 minutes standing next to me
for a block to clear so he could get
his lightning wallet filled
so he could pay with Bitcoin
and another one a dude came up to me
and introduced himself
and I asked him his name and he said
my name's Ben
and he said I want to pay with Bitcoin
and then I asked him if he was on Noster and he said yes and it was just like this
like where that what the hell like that doesn't happen um I don't know man another one an incredible
story um to round out the shitty telling of that last story um I had my my first year selling it
um for bitcoin I had just gotten like Dan Held came up and bought wine from me randomly
and I didn't even have a lightning wallet yet.
I didn't know how to use lightning.
But a couple of weeks later, I figured it out
and a woman comes up and she goes,
you accept Bitcoin?
You're into Bitcoin?
And real quick, she's like,
I got to go get my husband.
And she like disappears.
I'm like, whatever.
This is kind of hilarious getting her husband.
I get it.
And she comes back up tailing her husband
and she goes, basically like presents him like,
talk to him please talk to him about bitcoin and uh this guy just you know he vacations in
telluride and um lurks on twitter doesn't you know would never have met him there uh but met
his wife who introduced me to him and it was like he was just craving this connection to other
bitcoiners and i was too and he's just like this great guy who cares about his family and like has
the same morals as me and found Bitcoin and wants to, you know, wants Bitcoin to win and wants other
Bitcoiners to win. Like he, you know, he makes a point every year to buy wine from me just as like,
hey, you're doing the right thing. I want you to win. And there's so many people like him in Bitcoin
that the arguing, the calling names, the division just makes me laugh because
the difference between Bitcoiners and the rest of the world, as far as like how much we agree,
is just so large.
I don't think people,
like when you just live your Bitcoin life on Twitter,
you don't see it.
And when you go to conferences,
you get pissed off about all the shit cornery, whatever.
But there is so much good intention
and good hearts in Bitcoin.
It hurts to see the division
and I'm really happy I get to see the bright underbelly.
dude first of all i love the stories and i think that the the story about the dude who's just like
lurking on twitter and or formerly twitter now x and but but buys wine from you in bitcoin every
year that's that's just like that's just a normal fucking person right who's like yep i bet i bet
that dude if i had to guess i bet he doesn't give a fuck about the core versus knots debate
like I bet he doesn't have a strong side pick there I bet he's not accusing other people of
being you know pedos and everything like I bet he's not bet he's not doing that he's probably just
trying to provide value be a good husband and maybe father uh you know to his family
and he's putting his money where his mouth is he's voting with his voting with his wallet voting
with his feet and he's actually spending bitcoin like I don't know that's like like that's a
fucking Bitcoiner right there. You know, you don't have to get rage baited into every fucking little
thing. Like that, that, that's some, that's some fiat mentality stuff. That's not to say you
shouldn't care about anything ever. It's not to take the other extreme. You should care about
things. We're all here because we care very deeply about Bitcoin. That's why, and we care deeply
about podcasting about Bitcoin. These are things that we don't, uh, we, we hold very dear, right.
and we believe are meaningful.
But either extreme is not good.
You don't have to be susceptible to every little psyop that comes along.
And I'm not saying it's a psyop, guys.
Anybody who wants to can probably very selectively edit this,
and I hope that they do.
Please clip this.
Make me more of a villain.
I am happy to be a perceived shield.
This is really the role.
This is what it comes out.
This is the role of the podcaster, right?
the role of the podcaster is to basically be the,
you know, like you're not the developer.
The developers are the tip of the spear, right?
They're the ones like writing open source software,
whether that be on Bitcoin's layer one,
whether that be on Lightning,
whether that be on Cashew or Fetiment or ARK
or any of these other things that are coming up
that I still need to learn more about.
Like the developers are the tip of the spear.
Podcasters are the shield, right?
You need to be able to provide the cover.
Like, and those that can't do podcast,
like this is this is this is what this is what it is and so yeah i i love those stories though
like that's that's got to be extremely fucking gratifying to have somebody who is like you just
randomly met at a farmer's market because his wife was like here please like talk to him about
bitcoin like he's talking to me like what i'm the subtext there is like because he won't shut up
about it to me you know like you please talk to him about it and you know what like that's awesome
I bet she enjoys the hell out of your wine that she doesn't get hung over from it.
You know, that like no, no headaches there.
You know what I mean?
Fellas?
No.
Okay.
Nevermind.
But really, I love those stories.
It was definitely a, it was definitely a, please talk to him.
And I was like sitting there, like if I had a girlfriend at that time, she would be saying
the same thing.
And that's why I didn't have a girlfriend at that time.
So lucky he found a real one.
But yeah, there's so many people in Bitcoin who just like when you're doing the right thing, they want you to win.
And this comes back to the quality of connections versus quantity that like that dichotomy we see on Twitter where it's hard to break through the noise when you're really going for quality.
um i that's i kind of bring up brought up stack codler earlier because he's one of the few that
i think really talks in that super high quality way uh but gets massive engagement and
i i brought it up because he called me a good writer today and uh i just wanted to brag honestly
um and he posts beautiful pictures with it he posts beautiful pictures with it as well
That I like.
Like we need to normalize sharing beautiful things more.
You see a lot more of it on Noster actually.
You know, like you see a lot more of it on Noster.
But man, like he's also at an unfair advantage because he's in Switzerland.
And it's just like it's not even fair.
Like I was just there for my only like my second time ever.
And it's just like this is what a first world country looks like.
I thought I lived in one.
This is what a real first world country is like.
It's mind-blowing.
it really is but i digress walker your photos of the sky and it's a great day those fire me up
but i also imagine that you're like well do i take a picture of this flat land
yeah because i'm in the fucking midwest yeah like you you have to you have to look up at this i get
rubbed fucking rub it in you you mountain guy living it probably barely a mile high and thinking
you're you know above the clouds it's ridiculous but no it is true uh that this is why i post the
sky. And because also it's a reminder for people to look up. And for anyone who doesn't know what
Ben is talking about, I routinely, when it's not gray and disgusting in the Midwest,
which it is right now, it has been for a few days, which is why I haven't posted anything.
Need to do like some black and white noir style, you know, just to spice it up. But I just,
I just walk outside. And when I'm outside, I just take a picture of the sky and just post it and
remind people it's a beautiful day to be alive because it is. Every day that we were still on
this planet and not six feet under being chewed on by worms and such and re-ingested into the
earth. It's a beautiful day to be alive. But yeah, I've had multiple people tell me they like that.
And honestly, I was just trying to figure out what's something I can consistently do
on Noster that's going to add positivity to people's feeds. Because there's so much
fucking negativity on X and algorithmically driven negativity. And this is one of the reasons I love
Noster. And so I was like, what can I do to actively contribute to this positive space,
to this being like a, a space that is a pleasure to come into because you're met with positivity.
And so that's like, it's, it's my little, like, I'm not a musician or something. There's a lot of
cool musicians on Noster. I saw a guy recently, like, just like playing the shit out of a fiddle
or violin. I'm not sure which one calls it. Depends on the kind of music you're playing,
I guess, but I'm pretty sure it's just the same instrument. I'm, you know, I'm no expert here,
but that's just fucking cool just playing a violin slash fiddle getting zapped sats
spreading positivity the world like you know where are you been it's like yeah just wine posting
posting about grapes like i love uh by the way this is just like a small thing i i love uh i love
that on your corks it says like skin to skin it's like just like a nice little touch you know it's
a nice little touch it's the little things that matter it's the little things that bring you just
a little bit of joy it's the little things that aren't pleb sloppy i guess is what i'm trying to
get at there dick your thoughts on little things i think i need to do more uh cigarette posting
of cool places i'm smoking cigarettes you do like i i just thinking about you smoking cigarettes
allows me to live vicariously a little bit because man i fucking i'll just say like i loved
of cigarettes like really i mean fucking cigarettes are great right like i i also this
is a slight sidebar but i wonder how much healthier the united states would be how much less
morbidly obese like we wouldn't need ozempic and munjaro and all these fucking poisons glp1
whatever inhibitors or whatever the fuck they do we wouldn't need those if people were just still
ripping grits regularly.
We just wouldn't,
we wouldn't need them.
Like,
look at the fucking French.
Like,
yeah,
they,
they may be a little bit fucked right now for other reasons,
but at least they're still skinny.
You know,
at least they're still skinny.
And it's like,
which one is worse?
Smoking cigarettes or being obese?
Like I'm going to go with being,
being obese is probably worse than smoking cigarettes.
There.
I said it.
So I support,
I think you need more cigarette posting.
I fully, I will, you cigarette post after this, I will zap it.
You have my word.
I just got to say, like, I mean, there's something incredible about that.
Because you think of, like, the bar environment.
Like, a lot of, I don't hang out at bars that much, but, you know, a lot of people do.
A lot of our society is around, like, gathering together centered around alcohol.
and i think this is kind of dropped off a little bit it's not inherently a bad thing but you think
about a bar it's loud there's oftentimes music it's hard to actually connect with the people there
it kind of uh it can create these weird dynamics but you go outside and you smoke a cigarette
and you have these awesome connections with people you're not sitting there on your phone
and the music isn't blaring you can actually talk to somebody um
i just think like you know the cigarettes are positive more besides just like a healthier
or alternative to zempic but i think that you know the tobacco is a way to to really connect
and have this meaningful experience you know with other people there's something memorable
about smoking a cigarette with somebody this is why like i try and you know i go to bitcoin
conference and stuff i try and smoke cigarettes with as many people as possible and uh i like to
offer them cigarettes it's not because i'm like trying to i'm a spokesman for marlboro but i think
it creates this uh special experience um but yeah i don't know i mean i i think like it's um
something that i'm really passionate about is trying to encourage the people that i that i like
as much as possible like it's something i put a ton of effort into i spent a lot of time talking
with people uh in group chats and you know like i i take the time to appreciate and uh consume
you know stuff that send people send me if they say hey i want you to read this or listen to this
or you know whatever like i will take the time to do it uh and it's exhausting sometimes because i
get sent a lot of stuff but like it's uh you know i'll take the time to try and genuinely give people
feedback on it because like i want the people like i think there's like a responsibility of like
okay i think this idea is important i want to promote this idea and the way that it happens
is like you know we we have to tell a better story than the other guys and the competing ideas
um and one of the ways that you do that is it's not viewing
the other people in the ecosystem as competition but viewing them as um
in a lot of way allies that you're trying you're trying to build each other up
because like this is the thing of like you know why do we why am i very critical with my
online and on twitter is because like what i'm trying to do is i'm not trying to tear
people down i'm trying to reframe the conversation and i think that's very different it's like this
sucks not just because like i mean you look at pletitor for example who is he building up
what is he putting out he's the he's the mall cop just making everybody's life more difficult
and like he has some bangers now and again and he has he has some self-awareness like you know
he'll he'll admit where he's wrong i don't think he's all bad
but he's not really telling a compelling story he's just like highlighting a bunch of nonsense
and like maybe that's like a useful thing to some extent i think he's a little bit over the top and
he gets you know office rocker sometimes but like maybe he's a useful role in the larger ecosystem
but like i think it's like the purpose of the criticism is to to present something of value
that's interesting and good you present an alternative and like i think where where a lot
of people kind of take a misstep is they don't present like a good alternative they present
another bad alternative like their criticism of reframing is um kind of leads into that like the
the last cycle it was swan like swan was isn't all bad like i'm not anti an anti-swanatist
i think cory's pretty retarded right now like i hope he gets his shit together
the poor guy he's just embarrassing himself but like like i'm really rooting for cory i want cory
to to get his shit together and and and tell a compelling story and like do something interesting
um other than just bitching about tether all day and like
you know defending uh you know just like kind of a poor decision making process
um but uh i don't know i mean there somebody asked me in the chat i listed off like a ton
of names of people that i really like and uh i don't know i guess the the twitter twitter world
is different than listening to our podcast or like engaging with but yeah i mean it's it's
it's in your own self-interest to get out there and try and build up people that you like.
So that's actually, I think, a very fundamental point, this idea.
And with regard specifically to Pleditor, I think that Pleditor's heart is in the right place.
And I've started posting the Norman Rockwell free speech painting,
the guy standing up at the assembly or whatever.
like and you know i mean what i put together was i thought a pretty concise meme which was just that
with the text i agree with pletitor you know and now anytime i agree with pletitor i post that meme
just because i think it is important to again when i see things that i like i want to reward that with
my attention and also my memes like that's you know i'm a simple man like i see something i like
i post a meme in response maybe quote tweeting it and i can only quote tweet it because he was
only on Noster for like five minutes when he rage quit Twitter and then went back to Twitter.
That aside, I think that his heart is in the right place. But your point, I think more broadly is that
if you're only ever against things, what are you for? Like, what are you for? It's, it's easy to
make the case of what you're against. That's, that's really fucking easy. Cause that's, it's
necessarily reactionary. And this is not just me. I'm not trying to rag on
pleditor specifically, or I'm talking broadly now. It's easy to just be against
things. It's easy to just be the contrarian. Just take whatever somebody
else says, flip it around and you're, you're, you get to be the cool contrarian.
Right But like that not and again I not talking pleditor because I know you going to listen to this because you get your 40 hours per week I sure I not talking specifically about you I talking broadly If you think it applies to you
that is you internalizing that.
That's okay too.
That's what your 40 hours per week should do.
You should internalize that 40 hours per week.
But if you're only ever against things,
if you're only ever contrarian,
if you're only ever saying what you are anti,
not what you're for, not what you're pro,
then like you don't actually have an opinion about something you don't actually have a a
let's say a position on something like you need to be for something like and one could argue in
pletitor's case again not specifically singling out pletitor just using him as an illustrative
example i think pletitor is for bitcoin whatever whatever that that means to him right i think all
of us are for Bitcoin. We're also all for podcasting, right? I don't know Pleditor's
thoughts on podcasting. I think Pleditor should start a Bitcoin podcast, actually. I think if
Pleditor started a Bitcoin podcast, it would be, first of all, just very cathartic for him.
Because then he doesn't just have to, it doesn't just have to, like text is such a clumsy medium.
It's such a clumsy medium. It's multiple degrees of separation away from the thought actually
getting into another person's brain. When you speak, and granted, you can make the argument
Well, yeah, I can write things faster than I can speak them.
And someone else can read them faster than they can hear them.
But there is something different when it is going directly from that podcaster's mouth into your ear holes.
Something magical happens.
And so what I would say is that if you're always anti-everything, try to start a podcast at least.
Try to start a podcast because at least you can be pro-podcasting.
And once you stand for something, you may find that you stand for more things.
You may find that you're behind more things.
You're pro more things.
Maybe you're not a contrarian as far as everything goes.
And so, again, I think this is, you know,
Dick, we've talked about this ad nauseum at this point.
And ad nauseum is one of those words that podcasters love to say.
And once you become a podcaster, you have to say ad nauseum a lot.
It's part of kind of the right of becoming a podcaster.
But we've talked about this ad nauseum.
And that's the idea that if you're wondering what you should do,
you should start a podcast.
The answers will be revealed to you through the medium of podcasting.
This beautiful medium.
Shout out to Adam Curry, the podfather.
We would not be here podding without him.
Granted, he would say what we're doing right now is not podcasting because there's video involved.
But that's a different technicality, right?
The point is, if you're against everything, I don't really care what you're against.
I care what you're for.
I don't care what you're running away from.
I care what you're running toward. I care what draws you in, not what chases you away.
Because what draws you in, what you run toward, that is the thing that truly has value. What
you're running away from, that's just noise. What you're running toward, that is the signal.
But I can't hear that signal when all I'm getting is just the noise of the things you hate. I want
to know what you love. And again, this is not just to you, Pleditor. But if you want to take it,
Pleditor, again, you're welcome on my podcast anytime. Maybe welcome on the Bugles too. I don't
want to speak for the bugle i don't want to speak for ben ben we haven't talked about your podcast
at all also we haven't talked about it at all i thought i thought it was really nice you did an
episode with uh with american hodl hodl he identifies his hodl i'll call him hodl but just
so you know i believe that just like science says that it's hodl but again like it's fine
you want to talk about your podcast at all like i thought it was pretty good it's a different
format like it's a different format i liked it yeah um we're specifically not trying to not be a
podcast and i'll come out to turn up approach the tatum the tatum turn up it's not a podcast okay i've
you know what i've i've seen this movie before it's a podcast just say it's a podcast it's okay
everything is podcast it's a shodcast it's a show and it's a podcast uh
I want to come out as anti-podcast here.
I don't think everyone should start a podcast.
And I realize that that's the pleb slop Gary V advice.
I listened to Gary V for years.
He said everyone should have a podcast.
I think you should have a journal.
Because you're going to say shit that you would never say out loud.
That you would not say as a recording.
Journal every night.
Most of you are retarded.
and we don't want to hear what you have to say i'm one of those people i'm also retarded uh but
but you have a podcast and yet you have a podcast yeah yeah i have a show a shot guest uh so so
quest is it's ended up like uh five five to ten minutes we're trying to have fun with it
um obviously has elements of a podcast where we interview someone but also we're trying to like
make fun of ourselves and the topics at hand uh it's kind of a blend between a podcast and uh
dick greaser's twitter feed i guess uh but maybe a little bit less like on the nose and serious and
and starting starting shit with people um yeah i i uh in the beginning of october i was october 3rd
i interviewed jeff booth and bitcoin had just pumped like 10k that that like that last week
and I asked him how he was enjoying October,
and then everything went downhill from there.
So it's your fault.
You tried to let Danny Knowles take the heat
for this sweet, sweet, bald, shiny-headed Danny.
You tried to let him, a fellow podcaster,
you tried to let him take the heat when it's really your fault.
How dare you? How dare you, sir?
Look, the one thing I've learned about myself
is that I am a top signal, and I try to lean into that.
So anyways, that's just a great thing to have on camera that I had asked Jeff Booth.
He laughed, so he agreed.
So I got Jeff Booth on my side.
But yeah, we're figuring stuff out at this point.
We're kind of still in amorphous zone.
But the idea for Soak Quest is we're really focused on, yeah, sure, the interesting story, the influencer that gets us clicks.
It's awesome.
You know, let's just have Hoddle on because he's really good at vlogs.
But the real focus of the show is that we we want more businesses to do what I did in their own way.
And I built my business to where like I just want to build a business that I enjoy doing that involves working with Bitcoiners.
Most businesses are not that.
So it's introducing Bitcoin friendly business, like maybe the CEO is a Bitcoiner, introducing these people to Noster and to Bitcoiners as customers and trying to get them set up in all the right ways and introduce Bitcoiners to these businesses.
because I think that I'm blanking on the laws
because there's so many laws of all these different smart people things.
And so it's a thing where like the value of the network is how many nodes
versus the value of the network is how many like actual important nodes matter.
and I guess the comment there is like
it doesn't matter how many Bitcoiners exist
it matters how many
like if we want Bitcoin to be money
you need both sides
you need the people who are producing goods
and you can buy them with Bitcoin
versus the people who are also willing to spend Bitcoin
and the kind of the fundamental principle
I've come back to in all this is
it's not freedom money
if you have to convert it back to slave tokens
in order to spend it
And we want to really build the Bitcoin economy and show these businesses that are building the best shit.
Like we don't want to interview.
We don't want to feature people that aren't building good stuff.
So we want to like showcase these businesses as like you're building the best shit.
You're a Bitcorner.
the opportunity to be the big the leading brand within this category within like the brand that
big corners think about is so large it's like early days for this you can just be the first
like saute salt of the earth the first electrolyte company that adopts bitcoin like now every bit
corner like wants those fucking electrolytes because they're high quality as well um and the
opportunities there and there's tons of bitcoiners who want to have it so uh you know it all comes
It's a circle, and it all comes back to that.
I've got several comments.
I'm going to try to say them in reverse chronological order,
and I'm going to forget a couple of them.
First comment, the Bitcoin slave token thing, grade A pleb slop.
Grade A pleb slop.
But it's outstanding.
That is the cream of the slop, as they say.
The second one, I forgot already.
The third one, just given the name of the podcast,
What is Soak Quest?
Are you Mormon?
Or is that too personal?
Honestly, a little insulted that you would feel comfortable enough to ask that.
It's a podcast.
Okay.
It's a podcast.
Is your podcast title a reference to the Mormon Soak?
would be my follow-up question.
No.
Yes, because it's fun, because it gets your brain going,
and we're trying to make fun of ourselves, but no.
I don't know.
I had a group chat called Soak Quest,
and the idea was just like, we're fucking in this together,
and we're going to marinate in all these ideas.
Oh, boy.
And it's just a great group chat name.
Okay, I wish I remembered the second one,
but now I've just been too derailed by the talk of marinating and soaking.
All right.
Can you explain?
I know a lot about Mormonism, but I've never heard this term.
You don't know the term the Mormon soak?
No.
Is that where they baptize the dead?
No.
What is it?
But Ben, you know what I'm talking about, right?
Do I need to?
I'm just going to, because I don't want to,
I don't want to have to actively explain this in my own words.
so i'm gonna okay first of all it's about it's about sex but not sex you want to do it you want
to do it yeah i don't need you to be clipped into any other yeah they're gonna take this
the either the silent k's are gonna take this and run with it so ben it's better if you do it
you're you're still agnostic agnostic yeah it's not it's not sex if you don't pump so if you just
go in and stay there you're not you're not disappointed god um i don't know why mormon
god and christian god are different on this topic um and i noticed that you called mormons christians
walker earlier and i'm not i don't think i did that i don't know if i did that step into that
what i don't know if i don't when did i do that whoa whoa whoa whoa but uh not that i would touch
I've seen the Book of Mormon, okay?
It's a fantastic, fantastic musical.
It's outstanding.
Anyone who hasn't seen the Book of Mormon, written by Trey Parker and Matt Stone,
should absolutely see it.
It will clear up any confusion you have about Mormonism.
Maybe just another thing.
What's the Scientologist version of the Mormon soak?
Now that Dick understands what the Mormon soak is,
which is just soaking one's member without pumping.
And sometimes they have a friend who will just jiggle the bed for them because then it still doesn't count as long as you're not doing the action apparently.
I thought this was all like an elaborate joke.
I really did.
I was like, that's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life.
There's no possible way that people actually – apparently they do.
Apparently it's actually a real thing.
It's mind-blowing that it is, but it is apparently.
Could you carry that over into crypto?
like it's not a pump and dump if you don't well if you don't buy the tokens pre-mined it's not a
pump and dump maybe yeah i mean because realistically soaking is just as without the
pump and dump right anyways dick would appreciate your uh feedback on whatever question was asked i
forget i mean it's all it's all interesting i've been going down this rabbit hole of
Scientology and Bitcoin.
The Scientologists are here, folks.
They are.
Do we need to speak about the person who's...
You've got to be really careful.
I just want to say,
I'm more worried about the Scientologists
than I am about the Silent Ks.
I don't know how many of the Silent Ks
are also Scientologists in disguise.
I don't know.
I don't want to make any accusations.
But the Scientologists are a litigious bunch.
And they've got Tom Cruise on their side,
who I think is a fantastic...
I think he's the ultimate action star.
But, like, he's also a Scientologist.
Like, there's a great documentary called Going Clear.
If you haven't seen it, you really should.
Like, man, Scientology is, it is, phew, it's fucking nuts, man.
Like, it is really, really nuts.
Like, wow.
And have you guys seen this doc?
Oh, yeah, of course.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
I spent way too much time researching Scientology.
It's mind-blowing, is it not?
It just seems like a pretty elaborate blackmail scheme, right?
That's what we're dealing with ultimately.
Well, a lot of these cults that have risen up,
I don't know when they really started.
I guess the 60s and 70s.
I mean, it all coincided with MKUltra.
and mark goodwin put out this really interesting article really good article because it it was like
a summary of a lot of research i was familiar with almost everything in the article before
and it was just like a really good aggregation but the it's a series he's working on you can
find it if you search through unlimited hangout it might be kind of hard to find but it's definitely
on there um going through the history of scientology the cia and mk ultra and um
it is a very interesting read but yeah i mean these uh
uh like i feel like reason part of the reason why i like researching these cults
and in researching you know the mind control techniques that they use is that they were
i feel like they were the testing grounds to be able to export this to the general population
a lot of the techniques that you know were experimented
using in a documented use on these people you know are being used in the broader society and
in the you know groups like scientology can't could be seen potentially as
essentially grooming these people
to go out in the world in positions of power and influence
and essentially operate as Manchurian candidates
of maybe not literally, but very heavily
influenced and controlled individuals.
And so it's interesting to see the
cross-section between groups like that and the Bitcoin
ecosystem it's very interesting i mean it's very interesting to to um you know just read about
overlaps with like jeffrey epstein and uh bitcoin core and while it's not like okay he you know he
was a significant funder trying to to influence like there is there's overlaps between these
power structures and people be involved in this ecosystem it's really it's just fascinating to see
how the levers of power and influence work and uh i feel like being generally aware of it you can
kind of get out of trouble or stay out of trouble a little bit yeah i mean i think we all know that
Jeffrey Epstein was a proponent of core V30, uh, that,
that much is clear from my research at least. Uh, but no, in,
in all seriousness, it is, it is wild.
And I think it's important to pay attention to these things because there's
like, like speaking with of Scientology specifically, like,
and I won't name names,
but there are people who rise into prominent positions as, uh,
pseudo figureheads and new, you know, like, uh, new golden boys, uh,
or girls maybe, but boys, of, you know, Bitcoin plebslop,
who are very prominent Scientologists, publicly so.
And again, like you can just, why don't you just do your own research on this
because I don't want to, this is a.
I don't want to do my own research.
This is a.
You want to.
This is a dangerous game.
You want to know who the Scientologists are?
This is a.
We'll communicate about the Scientologists offline,
But I'm just saying if you Googled Bitcoin, Scientology, real estate, you'd probably find them pretty quickly.
Anyway, that's all I'll say about that.
Just go to my Twitter page and search Scientology and you'll see my posts and thoughts.
Dude, it's such a fascinating rabbit hole, though.
It really is.
Because, again, it's so patently absurd.
like L. Ron Hubbard
like he's L. Ron Hubbard the guy who like created
Scientology he was just he was a science fiction author
and he wrote about these like
like these ridiculous science
fiction stories then literally turned them into a
religion and like part of the religion
is getting audited and quote going
clear and confessing all of the bad
things you've ever done in your life like
and they're recorded when you confess
them and then it's like this is
a gross oversimplification there's surely
much more to it right and let's not even
get into the thetans in your past lives
but like it's all just like an elaborate blackmail scheme and it's kind of fucking nuts but there's a
lot of really powerful people who are scientologists and it's just like huh huh okay okay i started i
started reading dianetics because um dick whitman keeps on uh every time i post about
scientology he keeps on telling me that i need to read dianetics and uh a little bit and it's
it's very fascinating i mean a lot of a lot of the um you know language that's used is very similar to
to a lot of the bitcoin plub slot and a lot of like just general conspiracy theory type thing
like i think there's uh you know individuals that that feel like there's something wrong
with the general world or society around them are very vulnerable to be preyed on and uh
you see this a lot with the shit coins where people get wrapped into like they're they're
they're kind of doing these these similar strategies with zcash you know and bitcoin has reached this
this point of prominence where uh it almost feels like an like a dominant incumbent like
entity and you see these these people that have been kind of on the fringes and periphery are
rejecting it as a result of that and they they kind of have their their weird conspiracy theory
plub slop takes that are that are similar to dynamic like i i was tagged in this like ridiculous
thread with mark goodwin arguing with this guy and uh you know mark asked this this random guy
that had like fuck bitcoin in his uh profile uh description the guy asked mark or sorry mark asked
the guy does he think that uh bitcoin or fiat is more zionist and and the guy the guy started going
off about like how how bitcoin is more zionist and i was like this is such a you know weird
dynamic that we're in where where the conspiracy world of like you know you got you got katherine
austin fitz who's concerned about she's always hated bitcoin but she she's concerned about c sam
she's using those guys's uh talking points to delegitimize bitcoin her her solution in the
world is uh going and uh spending cash on fridays and using credit unions so like that's her
resistance strategy and just being a luddite um wait wait i don't even know who this is who is
this ben do you know this is dude okay can you educate us please dick yeah here let me look up
she had like a role in government at some point i think she worked for the uh bush administration
but she's like big in like the anti uh surveillance world um the name is like vaguely familiar but i
i don't know it's it's it's not like i can't say this is somebody that i'm like tracking actively
she she's big in the the boomer slop conspiracy theory world like
oh yeah she's like a big big deal like anti uh like you know like uh
yeah oh wait oh i just i just i just looked her up on wikipedia i think i do know who this is
uh okay can't trust that well yeah that's true you mean woke a pedia no thank you
Catherine Austin Fitz, born December 24th, 1950, is an American investment banker and former public official who served as managing director of Dylan Reed & Co.
and during President George H.W. Bush as United States Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Housing.
She has widely written and commented on the subject of public spending and has alleged several large-scale instances of government fraud.
hmm okay that's what that's what wikipedia gives me on the on the top uh top line so so what's
what's what's the real deal then dick she writes she writes she has like a publication called the
slurry report um well what's the real deal well it's really nuanced and like it it's just these
people are are spewing this this nonsensical slop they don't understand the technology
like they're going after mark i'm watching them go after mark they get it he gets it a lot where
they call him a crypto bro and they think they think this technology is inherently bad because
digital and like there's a lot of problems with stuff that that bitcoin is being used for or could
be used for there's a lot of um like really bad actors interacting with it like you got groups
like uh you know chain analysis and you know other ones and uh you know a lot of the kyc
mechanisms that are really uh potentially accelerating or or
you know i was looking at your website i like it i like that you have like a buy with bitcoin
like right yeah it's cool it's cool but uh
yeah i don't know i mean it's just interesting like there's a lot of fud
to be busted and what's funny about you know these people like katherine austin fitz and these
like the the thing that's exciting about bitcoin is it's actually a vehicle to do something
whereas a lot of these conspiracy theories like what is alex's jones alex jones's message
to vote for a Republican and buy supplements.
What is, let's see.
I don't know.
There's all these guys that are.
The guys that were conspiracy theorists back, again,
when they were the counterculture,
but they're not the counterculture anymore.
And that's the thing.
It's like your favorite hipster indie band going mainstream,
and it's like, shit, I just like something that's mainstream now.
It's like when you're just another mouthpiece for the incumbent regime,
it's just like it's not cool anymore.
The second you stop being able to speak truth to power,
as fucking lame as that sounds,
but that is the essence of it, right?
As soon as you stop being able to do that, you're done.
You're absolutely done.
And so like, you know, like Alex Jones, like fucking like what a, what a wild career that
guy's had.
Right.
And like, would just like, you look at those early videos of him just like getting up in
people's faces and just calling them the fuck out.
And now it's like so many people have just been basically like, yeah, well, you know,
they end up just playing the same games that they would give other people shit for, which
is just being a mouthpiece for whoever's in charge because you like the guy, you know,
and like, whatever, more power to, you know, you're getting, you're, you're, you're a little
bit older now you know you're you're you're uh you know uh trt injections only to get you so far
and it's like you just you don't have that youthful uh vigor that you used to you so you you just
you're a little too tired to be a you know uh uh a counterculture proponent anymore like it's okay
you're just mainstream now like you look on x at any given point it's like alex jones is like one
of the main streams of their couple hundred thousand viewers at any given time live and it's
like yeah it's like you're the new mainstream and that's cool too like it's amazing that it's not
just the fucking cnn's and msnbc's and you know just like the rachel maddow screeching at you
anymore like at least it's alex jones screeching at you but like make no mistake it's like
unless you're willing to call out the truth you're not really any better like just because you like
just because the guy that's in power happens to be a little bit better than their shit rag you
know it's like the it's like the south park skit they're like oh you know like we're a giant douche
family here we won't be voting for turd sandwich it's like fuck i don't know it's just it's it's
also ridiculous at a certain point but i i think i think mark goodwin gets a lot of shit unfairly
uh a lot of times i've i've i've noticed this like quite frequently i i think the guy tries to
do his best to tell the truth he does i can't accuse him of pleb slop because generally the
plebs don't like what he has to say like it's usually he's not not pushing these like bullish
you know moon boy narratives he's pushing very much like hey this is the thing i'm concerned
about and maybe like you should read it more about this and then people are like reading i don't know
about that like you know and granted i'm a podcast guy too so like you know reading scary but i don't
know we i think we need more people who are not afraid to say like hey here's a super fucked up
thing that might be happening like maybe it's worth taking off your you know orange colored
glasses for a second and admitting that like shit may be a little bit fucked up but also mark is
like a hardcore or a hardcore bitcoiner right and so then you've got these like kind of like
these luddites as you called them dick who are coming after people like that who are just going
to have that knee-jerk gold bug reaction that anything that's digital is necessarily bad because
it must be co-opted because they haven't actually taken the time to look at this and say oh wait
okay, Bitcoin can't be co-opted in that way.
It's just not possible.
But I don't know.
At the end of the day,
all the people that misunderstand Bitcoin constantly
give us an incredible counter signal
and tell us how early we still are.
The more gold bugs I see dunking on Bitcoin,
the more fucking trad fi
or just fucking retarded fiat economists I see,
the more Steve hankies I see dunking on Bitcoin,
I'm just like,
yes,
inject that directly into my veins because that is just incredible counter
signal.
Like I want more of that.
I want you to dance on Bitcoin's grave because it's just going to rise from
the fucking ashes and burn your face off.
And then like wear your face as a small little fedora hat.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think Bitcoin's at a stage now where,
and I don't want to be complacent here,
but like I believe that it's at a stage now
where like these fucking naysayers
just there's nothing they can do.
Like if China banning Bitcoin
however many times they did
and then banning mining,
if that didn't wreck Bitcoin,
if like one of the most authoritarian governments
in the world cracking down on it
didn't actually hurt Bitcoin
and actually made Bitcoin stronger,
then fuck like I'm just not too worried
about like these fucking Luddites.
You know what I mean?
it's just Luddite slop ultimately
yeah I'm not worried about them either
I just think it's interesting
I mean I think
yeah I don't know
if Bitcoin can be co-op
I just think it's important
for the
people
interacting with it
not to just like completely
turn their brains off and
you know
you get continue to be sucked into the matrix like that's the that's the future like there's um
i don't know what's going to happen i mean government's going to fall and they're going
to change and you know power structures are going to shift and uh you know the
the question is like just how how like crazy and tyrannical is the future going to look and
And, like, I think as long as individuals are willing to do things like Ben, you know, be active participants and, like, actually try and, you know, build things that, you know, support individual freedom.
might not look that different from how it has today,
but hopefully with softer economic times
and theoretically even could be better.
Yeah, I don't know.
Wait, wait, wait.
Lest we forget, you claim to have a Peony Lane wine
pleb slot pickup line.
I actually don't know if it was pleb slot,
but you did.
We said we'd bring it back to this.
i think we need to bring it back now do you still have it is it still there dick
yeah i i did a i did a whole article on this um and i'm probably gonna you know expand on them as
i think about them but i did a bunch of plump slump pickup lines uh well you know one of my
favorites in in there is uh hey girl are you a penny lane wine because i can't stop drinking you
in or wait is it no it's like the more i drink in the better i feel the more i drink you and the
better i feel that's what it is i'm just i'm just hoping tatum turn up uses this line on on aubrey
struggle and if tatum happens to be listening to this right now i just like to say like shout out
to this king for pulling the bill ackman may i meet you line and it seems to be working it seems
to be working i'm just saying i'm rooting for tatum i i like he he's he's the true underdog
story he's he's he's the classic case of the podcaster doesn't want to admit he's a podcaster
a lot like ben he's claiming it's a show it's but it's a podcast everything is podcast and i just
want to say tatum if you're listening right now i mean if you're not i'm gonna dm you after this
and tell you to listen to this last little bit i think we're all rooting for you right now you
know what i mean like a win for tatum is is a win for everyone in my book and tatum's getting ripped
but dude he's not gonna be an underdog for very long also the original it's not a podcaster so
shout out to shout out to him he really you know what my biggest problem with tatum is he doesn't
fucking release the awesome shit he films i don't know why where he keeps he's like fucking disney
keeps it in a fucking vault somewhere and releases it for a giant markup tatum needs his own
Tatum Plus streaming service that he can overcharge for and actually open up this vault.
Because the people need it, Tatum.
The people need it.
We want to see it.
We need the Tatum turn-up vibes to counteract all the pleb slop noise.
I don't know.
The market is primed for it.
And so I think it's really a perfect note to end on.
It's just a call to action for Tatum to say, you know what, Tatum?
It's time.
Open up the vault.
You've shot your shot with Aubrey.
We've all been rooting for it for so long.
It's amazing.
You pulled the May I Meet You.
It seems to work.
Now it's like, what do you have to lose?
Release that podcast.
And don't be afraid to call it a podcast.
Don't feel shame that you just made a podcast.
It's another fucking Bitcoin podcast.
Just own it.
That's okay.
That's enough.
And you are enough, Tatum.
You're more than enough.
And you're very tall and you're a great forklift operator.
I don't know if you guys have any compliments you want to give Tatum.
I do have a question for you, Walker.
Sorry to bring the topic off of the majesty that is Tatum,
but I noticed you have, I'm not sure if that's an aerator
or a pouring extender on your wine.
I'm wondering if you notice a difference on,
like if you poured if you poured two glass open a cork pour two glasses one with that one without
i wonder if you notice the difference i'm curious i do and let me clarify this that i'm not some
like super wine connoisseur but i sure do enjoy wine dude everyone couches their wine knowledge
do you notice a difference do you like yes yes yes i do i notice a difference i find that especially
with your wine if i aerate it a little bit or if i pour a glass and i let it just sit a little bit
and be exposed to the air, I find that I enjoy it far, far more.
I enjoy it either way, but I find with a little bit more air exposure,
I enjoy it even more.
And so that's why I actually specifically ordered this a couple days ago
because I was like, I know that I like to have Ben's wine
a little bit more opened up to the air.
I don't like waiting to drink Ben's wine,
so why not get a little aerator for this thing
and make the magic happen just in real time.
And I'm quite pleased with it.
Thank you, Jeff Bezos, for making this American dream
of drinking Ben Justman's Bitcoin wine as soon as possible.
As soon as I open that bottle, I want to be drinking it.
And Jeff Bezos has made it possible.
He's launching rocket ships into space.
He's getting jacked.
He's dosing TRT, and he's making your wine more enjoyable.
Is there anything this man can't do?
He's putting a century clock, a millennium clock inside a mountain,
and he's making Ben Justman's Bitcoin wine, if it's possible,
just a little bit better, at least easier to enjoy faster, I should say.
So, yeah, I do not couching my own preferences.
I like it when it's opened up a little bit more.
That's me.
Yeah.
And my wine opens up faster because it doesn't have all the preservatives in it,
so it's going to react to oxygen more.
that it does or sooner um so yeah jeff bezos is basically the jack d'lon musk um who doesn't have
a million kids i don't know there's like alpha male on either side man does jeff bezos have kids
he's got he's got to have kids right like he must have kids right like with old uh old mackenzie
bezos right that was his wife that she's got like half his his money and she donates three
Like a bunch of...
Three sons and a daughter.
Okay.
Well, so he's not doing too bad.
Adopted from China.
Daughters adopted from China.
Well, okay.
That's, I mean, you know, I'm not going to fault the guy for that.
But he's, I mean, Elon's got, I think he's got him by like, I don't know, 10 kids or so at this point.
It's like, it's, it's why he really takes the birthright thing seriously.
It's like, he's like, I'm doing it myself, you know?
But I guess if you have that much money, it's like, I mean, you know, like.
You may as well.
Many shots on goal for the future is possible, I guess.
You miss 100% of the children you don't make, as Wayne Gretzky said.
Do you think Bezos' adopted daughter from China is a CCP honeypot,
like Gloria Zhao?
Wait, Ben, do you even – I'm just curious, Ben.
do you when when dick just said that does all of that sentence make sense to you
yeah it does so you're aware of the narrative i've been following okay i've been following
long i just don't feel like so you are aware and thus your silence is in fact violence wow oh
absolutely caught in the but also if you can't be passive against a violent system you have to
speak with violence or you have to engage in a little violence. Like, I don't know. We talk about
Bitcoin as the peaceful resistance, but, uh, I'm talking to myself in the circles here. I don't
think Bitcoin's violence. I've, that was like the early pleb slop arguments that I got into was
whether Bitcoin was violence or not. I don't think it is. I'm at this stage right now where my son is
like, he's going to be a real big, like, like I'm almost Tatum turn up tall already. Not quite. And
I don't drive a forklift, so I'm 0 for 2 there.
But I'm a reasonably tall man.
My son is going to probably have me by a few inches.
I think he's going to be in the 6'6 range if I had to guess,
judging by his 99-plus percentile readings right now.
And I'm like, that's great because ideally I want you to live in this peaceful,
utopian, hyper-Bitcoinized world.
but but if it ends up in sort of like the you know the mad max scenario like you're big enough
to be a warlord son like you you can you can control a lot of water supply with with a frame
that large you know and so that's really what kind of just what i'm it's like i think that's what
as men we really need to be striving for for for our kids especially our sons at this point is like
prepare them for both eventualities.
Like maybe, maybe everything's all good and we're hyper Bitcoinized and it's all like
kumbaya motherfucker.
And maybe, maybe you, you know, things are going to get pretty dark and like they certainly
are going to be dark.
It's really just a question of like the timescale.
Right.
And so I think it's important to be prepared for both eventualities and like having large
offspring, I think is just like, that's just good policy. Ultimately.
It's like, you want to, you, you want to breed it.
You want to breed them big if you can, if you can. And, and just, you know,
you just got to prepare them, right?
Because you never know what's going to happen in this world.
Walker, don't you live in a place where that tick that makes you allergic to
red meat lives? No, dude, that's Texas.
We don't have the Lone Star. That's just Texas.
It's like pretty much just Texas. Like, uh, did you know,
fuck who was I talking to about this the other day the so it's the lone star tick and the scientist
who actually like confirmed this like there was all these outbreaks this giant giant just like
outbreak a rash whatever you want to call it of people getting violently sick
after like eating red meat and they're like we don't know what it is and this one university of
is like, oh, I'm pretty sure like if I overlay these different maps, the only thing that
overlays with this is this one particular Lone Star Ticks territory.
And it like overlays perfectly, like literally perfectly.
And you're like, I don't know.
I don't know about that.
It seems kind of far fetched.
And so he's like, all right, well, I'm just going to go in.
I'm going to go into the countryside.
I'm going to get myself bit by one of these ticks and I'm going to see if I get allergic
to meat for life.
And he did.
and he was and they're like oh yeah okay guess but like what a fucking like taking one for the team
man like that's a that's a sacrifice being literally just being like i'm pretty fucking
positive that if i go out and get bit by this tick i'll never be able to eat red meat again
and then doing it and being like yep i was right can't ever eat red meat again like but i did it
for science like fuck man that's like that's some hardcore shit talking like taking one for the team
that is true sacrifice right there.
I don't know if I could do it,
but I'm not a scientist.
I'm a podcaster,
you know?
So say,
take that as you will.
But it's,
that shit's scary,
man.
That's legitimately like I've had Lyme disease before from deer ticks.
Cause I'm from bumble fuck Norville,
Wisconsin.
And like,
you just like,
you just get it there.
And it is a fucking worst.
Like you will.
I,
it's really bad.
I lost a shitload of like,
I don't know,
probably like 20 pounds.
Uh, when, when I had it, it was like, I was a teenager at that time.
Got just like, had some like fucking weird visions, felt like I was tripping.
Watched every James Bond movie ever made though on Turner classic movies at the time.
You, you young folks won't even know what Turner classic movies is TCM, but boy, it was great.
Uh, favorite James Bond, obviously Sean Connery.
I don't think that's even up for debate.
Uh, worst one, probably Timothy Dalton, but I digress.
The point is fucking ticks suck.
I don't know.
I don't know why they exist, but they fucking suck.
They are just the absolute worst.
So don't get bit by a Lone Star tick or a deer tick because it's going to make your life fucking hell.
Specifically the Lone Star.
You said you used to have Lyme disease.
You reversed it.
You know, there's this there's this misnomer that Lyme disease is always chronic.
Like if you get it, you're stuck with it for life.
This is not true.
like these like these same sort of people i think think that if you get covid once you automatically
like have this like long covid thing it's just not true like i the people who get chronic lyme
disease like i know somebody one of my buddy's dads was a forester like for the dnr and so he
was literally out in the woods like like literally every day in the deep woods and he got i don't
know got it like a dozen or you know couple dozen times i got got it so many times and was like then
always had it kind of low level in his, it was like, if he was ever tested for it,
he'd always have it in his system. The average person, if you, as long as you catch it quick
enough. And I was actually misdiagnosed by some fucking retard doctor, uh, in my podunk town.
Uh, and, and like told me I had something different. He's like, you just got to wait it
out. Like wait it out for a few days. Shit got really bad. And like happened to have a doctor
who lived in my street, who wasn't a dumb ass. And he was like, you obviously have Lyme disease.
You should just take antibiotics and this will be fixed up in like a couple of days. And that's
what happens if you take antibiotics and you catch it reasonably early you're totally fine
where you get a new problem is if you don't catch it early if you have a retard doctor who tells you
it's nothing to worry about and shake it off or it's some other thing and you go like weeks on end
or months on end without being treated you don't get antibiotics you you you could be fucked but
like it is literally like it is cleared up like fucking within a couple of days with an basic
antibiotic regimen but so like not everybody who gets it has chronic lyme if that answers your
question it does fucking yeah that's interesting it fucking sucks i just don't know a lot about it
i knew a guy one time that talked about having chronic lyme disease so that that was kind of
what informed me asking him a bunch of questions is kind of what informed it's interesting it
really does suck and the okay like the lone star tick thing is one of those things where i'm like
this is just a little too convenient right like did bill gates and this tick have a talk
and they're like you know what you know maybe you should just make these people like beyond
meat a little bit their stock price is going to zero because nobody wants it but what if they had
to eat it because they'll just die if they eat red meat. I don't know. Some of it's just a little
bit too convenient. Maybe it's the Scientologists too. I don't know. I don't know anymore, guys.
I don't know. But what I do know is we've been on here, guys, for almost three hours. This was a
proper podcast. I'll say that. I've enjoyed this thoroughly, gentlemen. I really have. I'm glad we
do this. I'm going to keep doing this anytime my wife is either out of town or asleep, I think,
and Bitcoin is dumping If Bitcoin ripping I don think it appropriate to do these kind of shows That not the vibe that I want right Then it becomes too much pleb slop I want to do
these when people are just sad and depressed. I want to encourage them to drink Peony Lane wine
because it's not slop if you're sloppy. I don't know. Ben, I'll come up with some better ones.
Peony. No, just keep going. Peony lane wine. More like. It's great. Pee on my lane wine.
Nope. Shit. Okay. I'll outsource some of this to Tatum. He's the marketing guru here,
but guys, anything. Oh, he's killed it for me. Yeah. Is there, is there anything else
that you guys want to say before we close things out? This, this has been, you know,
for people who think podcasting is easy, you try drinking delicious wine and talking to cool people
for three hours straight.
And I mean that you should.
You should try doing that.
You should absolutely do that.
You should start a Bitcoin podcast, please.
Like, I will come on your Bitcoin podcast immediately.
I will be happy to support you.
Start a Bitcoin podcast or start any podcast, honestly.
Start a podcast about wine if you want to.
Start a podcast about the Mormon soak like Ben has.
It has nothing to do with wine, all to do with Mormon soaking.
uh you know start a podcast about what real journalism is like like dick has and start a
podcast about what's behind the podcast like like dick and rod also have just start a podcast
you are the media now like you can't let alex jones have all the fun give it a shot you guys
want to end with anything anything else that's that's tickling your uh tickling your fancy
yeah i want to i want to shout out a couple people um that i think are doing interesting
things uh my buddy avi burra just wrote his second book called uh july 18th so his post
on twitter says uh i wrote a surrealist literary and philosophical epic about the world bitcoin
makes possible i've yet to read it it's on my list i gotta go read his first book he said he's
working on his uh third book in the installment i think it's cool i think he's a good storyteller
he's doing some cool stuff with his uh finding home it's all series and then uh my friend noah
is currently touring playing uh she's on twitter she's on nostr uh but she's touring
doing uh like 14 000 people stadiums in europe right now that's pretty cool she's incredibly
talented musician uh one of the best in the world i think the best in bitcoin i think she's the best
musician in bitcoin as a singer and uh she she's also conducts a choir yeah she's so talented but
yeah check her out um scardust right yeah scardust yeah and and then uh yeah ben here
ben's telling compelling stories i didn't even know about your uh your show you're doing so i'm
I have to figure out how to get my Nostra thing working.
What are you talking about getting your Nostra thing working?
Who have I been tagging this whole time?
What?
Have you not been?
I'm on there.
I'm just like, I'm talking about the process of waiting five minutes for it to load on my typewriter.
Just typical Nostra stuff.
Not literally five minutes.
I'm exaggerating.
but yeah you know uh well you know we were actually streaming to zap dot stream at one
point here and for some reason it dropped off it may still have to do with the cloud flare issue
i don't know um but all i do know is that while no start which i identify as a noster sayer not
a nostor sayer but that's just me i like to pronounce things correctly like hodl not hodl
unless he identifies as such which is again i respect that but while x was down this morning
I was still able to post on Noster
about how X was down
and I think it's an important thing to point out
that like X is the place that people
would go to talk about other sites being down
where is the place that you go to talk
about X being down? Well it's Noster
that's a little bit of a signal right there
but Ben
what do you want to end with?
people should check out
it's peenielanewine.com
and if you do forward slash bitcoin you can just fucking pay
in bitcoin right there
you ship mostly all over the US
you don't ship abroad
right because of the fucking laws
and fucking the state being a
being a fucking bitch
correct
I looked into shipping to Canada
as I been asked by a lot of Canadian Bitcoiners and the only way I shipped there was one time i shipped to canada and it was because the dude had his best friend like ran an import company so i i had a alcohol lawyer look into it
for me it's just it's not going to happen they don't want my wine why do we have alcohol we don't
need alcohol fucking lawyers just make the laws better for fuck's sake jesus christ it's not
fucking prohibition for christ's sake let the alcohol flow let the cigarettes let the cigarettes
burn jesus christ get the state out of our fucking business sorry continue people think it's like
it's regressive and it's just like all these old laws uh states like utah get the you know the mean
thought that everyone has but um starting i believe in the beginning of 2024 it might have
been the beginning of 2025 virginia changed its laws so um legally not allowed to ship to virginia
and you know it's like yeah the frustration is like dude why don't you ship to me it's like i
would love to dude uh they don't want you to enjoy my wine they want to protect that their
talk to the fucking government fuck yeah but the the thing i'm most psyched about is nostre these
days um really kind of just in thinking deep about it and a little bit projecting you know i mean
And it is relatively slow, but something beautiful about it is my Primal has sucked all day to day.
Nothing has loaded, but I just moved to Amethyst and things moved.
And I saw some cool new features that I hadn't used with Amethyst in a while.
And to me, thinking about Nostra these days, it's like Nostra is the owned media.
Like it's a combination of email and social media where you have the scaling of social media and you have the owned audience of email.
And you don't have to like have a cucked social media account to be able to survive.
I saw that beer right after the one.
No, it was just because I had a little – there was a little bit of sediments at the bottom because it's so natural.
And I just needed the cool, refreshing taste of a fine Pilsner beer.
Miller Lite, 96 calories.
Flip that upside down.
You know what it is.
It's 69.
Miller Lite, please sponsor this podcast by sending me a palate of your fine Pilsner beer.
Please continue, Ben.
It's not a conflict of interest because they're a beer, not a wine.
I can tell you we're practicing the bill or shill.
It's not a conflict of interest, just so you know.
They're a beer.
It's cool.
Continue, please.
Well, I don't know.
Anyways, it's just like the opportunity.
If you're trying to build something and you want to be an early adopter, you have to be on Nostra, especially if you're in the Bitcoin world.
And I'm curious.
Well, actually, I have one last thing, and I have a question for Dick.
My bottom indicator fired on all signals today.
My sister sent me this long Think Girl tweet basically saying why Bitcoin was down and how it has so much further to go.
And the line that stuck out to me early on was in the last two weeks, the entire macro narrative of why Bitcoin was worth $126,000 has completely disappeared.
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here seeing a dysfunctional government, seeing $38 trillion debt, seeing how the liquidity has just been sucked out of the system and they need to print.
Like every reason for Bitcoin to be worth $10 million is just firing so much harder.
The one thing that gives me pause is that for the first time ever, my dad timed it right.
He told me I should be taking some risk off right around the top.
And I didn't listen.
So we'll see where things land.
But, Dick, anyways, my question.
If you got a sponsorship from Marlboro, would you consider it selling out?
Yeah, I would.
I'm in it for the love of the game.
What if they paid you in kind?
Like, they paid you in cigs.
No fiat involved.
Just a pallid of cigs shows up at your door, and they're like,
we just want you to keep smoking them, brother.
as long as they were non-KYC
I'd probably accept that but I
would just like they don't even check your ID
at the door they're like we don't fucking care
dude we're Marlboro
like
then
I mean
they would have to
drop like pallets of them
on my house with like helicopters
for it to
that's my
that's my coffee i smoke a lot of cigarettes like it's not we're not talking about a few
cartons here but um yeah i don't know could i could i do a could i do a sales pitch for
for pony lane yeah how do you say it p on p on me lane p on me lane p on me lane now it p on me me I had too much By the way I just finished the bottle which means the timing has been perfect
It's the Miller Lite that's making you sloppy.
It's true.
The peony lane has me feeling an incredible sense of clarity.
And I'm a little bit more resistant to pleb slop, honestly.
I think that's the best part about it.
It develops a natural resistance to pleb slop,
forming almost like a warm membrane around oneself
that allows you to resist the noise of the pleb slop.
But wait, Dick, what's your, or did you mean in the future
do a P&L sales pitch?
Not right now.
What do you mean right now?
Imprompted.
Fucking do it.
Folks, the holiday seasons are coming up.
You're going to have to bear through dealing with your family members
that have stupid opinions on things it's going to be painful
but pony laying the line can help you bear through it not only that it's a great present
to give to your family members if you want to talk to them about bitcoin but not come off as just like
a uh foaming at the mouth rabbit orange cell ben is currently selling a very cool looking bottle
black bottle with a little bitcoin logo that might you get a you get them a little bit uh
tipsy on some wine they're looking at the bottle they have to keep on looking at the bitcoin
simple it might open up the ability to have a conversation with them also it's great
to you you can you can mix i gave a pleb slot pickup line on the show tonight
you can use that pleb slot pickup line on a girl and she can ask she'll ask you well what is pony
lean wine say well i've got something at home you want me to show you there
it is a company ran on legacy it is a individual who's telling a compelling story
and if you actually believe that bitcoin's money if you've been stomping your feet up and down
you're shitting on gloria you know you're mad about udi and the spammers prove show the world
bitcoin is money buy some wine today if you don't buy peony lane wine you are a scammer and a spammer
i think well i think i don't know about that i don't know i don't know this is just this is
just what i'm hearing uh i'd like can you guys hear this if i go i can't hear it i'm just hoping
it's an air horn can you hear this
nope this is really embarrassing that I just did that
pretend that didn't happen cut
pause
I appreciate you guys
I did mine
fuck yours works
oh it's cause I had it muted
hold on wait what if I do this
can you hear that
no
fuck okay
you're really putting me to shame here
This is just embarrassing at this point.
You guys, we've now made it over three hours with this stream.
What a treat.
What an absolute treat.
Thank you guys for being here.
And yeah, you should go fucking check out Ben's Wine and spend some fucking sats.
And go check out Madix's art and spend some sats on that too.
And go check out other, there's all sorts of Bitcoin merchants on Noster that you can go and spend sats on.
because like somebody asked me once,
it was like,
it was actually when I was in El Salvador
and this is the last thing I'll say.
They asked me,
what do you think a Bitcoin maximalist is?
And it was from El Salvador,
nicknamed Chimbera,
lives in El Zante.
And I said,
I think a Bitcoin maximalist spends sats.
And I think that's it.
And don't give me the fucking shit
where it's like,
well, never sell your Bitcoin.
It's like, just fucking buy it again.
I know you have more fiat, you cuck.
Like, just fucking buy the Bitcoin back immediately.
Buy a little bit more back.
Like, look at that.
You've gained Bitcoin and you've got cool wine
or cool whatever insert product is that a Bitcoiner is selling.
Go spend some sats.
Use Bitcoin as money.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Thank you for coming to this live stream.
Dick, BJ, appreciate you both very much.
this has been a treat
live stream now over
and then we'll see
if everything's uploaded
thank you everybody
for joining
I'm sorry that the
Noster one died out
we'll do it again
sometime soon
hopefully not
because Bitcoin
will be ripping
but if it keeps dumping
we're going to keep
live streaming
late at night
with Peony Lane wine
cheers
and