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Bitcoin would be at $221,696 per coin right now if it were not for all of the plebslop.

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Hard men create good times.

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Good times create plebslop.

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Plebslop creates hard times.

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It's a cycle.

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It's inevitable.

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This is every Bitcoin cycle.

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I started feeling gross listening to Nickelback after switching to Creed.

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The boomers aren't all entirely retarded.

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Every generation thinks that they've had the hardest slop to deal with.

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But just like objectively, the slop used to be just simpler, right?

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It was just purely simpler slop.

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It was easier to digest slop.

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It was like oatmeal textured slop.

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Even a baby could take it down.

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Slop to one person isn't slop to another person.

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but yeah it's uh i don't know i like creed

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blub stop changed my life

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and i think his british accent is stupid and he should learn how to speak american

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most of you are retarded and we don't want to hear what you have to say

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i'm one of those people i'm also retarded

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you ever seen a communist that could meme have you ever seen a good communist meme

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it's not possible you can't have a good communist meme because communism is fucking retarded like

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you just you can't do it you can't do it and so it's like if your memes suck then then like

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look in the mirror you know

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walker have you ever wondered if you're becoming the slop or have you ever like

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stayed up late at night worrying about that.

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Emergency broadcast.

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The real reason Bitcoin crashed.

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Parentheses.

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It's not what you think.

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There we go.

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That is the slop that we all need.

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Ironically, of course,

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the real reason that Bitcoin did crash

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was because of the pleb slop in the first place.

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and this is what nobody, I'm just, I'm wondering why nobody's talking about this, you know?

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It's one of those inconvenient truths, but I think that, like, we're probably all in agreement

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that Bitcoin would be at $221,696 per coin right now if it were not for all of the pleb slop.

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I don't know, are you guys with me on this, or am I just being kind of, like, a little bit anti-slop right now?

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um yeah you know they they say there's slop cycles where uh

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hard men create good times good times create club slop club slop creates hard times it's a cycle

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it's inevitable this is every bitcoin cycle i mean it's just uh people like to to point at um

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the halvings for being the issue but it's really just the slop gets out of control

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get over leveraged on slop system comes crashing down you just you can't build anything meaningful

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on top of slop that's the problem if your foundation is slop it's going to crumble eventually

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the thing that's killing me is i was born in bitcoin in the slop and i i didn't recognize

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it returning until it was too late you live by the swap the slop you die by the slop you know

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it's like i guess when you're a creature of the slop it's like it is the air you breathe that is

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the water you swim in so how you know we can't really expect ourselves like we we don't have

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very good inbuilt defense mechanisms against the slop we're just like this generation right we're

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just we're not built to deal with this this level of slop like and and we just don't have those same

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natural defenses i i can't tell if gen z has better or worse natural defenses against plebs

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slop what do you what do you guys think like i guess maybe let's start with this let's rank the

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generations from best defenses against plebs slop to like complete lack of defenses and i'm just

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gonna i'm gonna put it out there that the boomers have the least natural immunity to plebs slop is

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that are you guys with me on that at least i don't know who has the most but i know the boomers have

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the least immunity to it i would say i don't know disagreement yeah i think it's a hard one

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well i i think you know one of the things that i've learned and you know i would encourage younger

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people to go hang out with boomers at least based ones because it'll change your perspective a little

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bit because there's these guys that have been uh seeing how retarded everything is for a long time

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and they've been fully aware of it and uh it's kind of like that white pill moment where you're

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like oh wow the boomers aren't all entirely retarded uh you know the the slop is constantly

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evolving so like boomer slop is different than gen x slop which is different than millennial

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slop which is different than zoomer slop so every generation has their own unique slop

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um but you know there there could be an argument that that some of the younger generations having

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dealt with more difficult times you could say but you know to be fair like if you if you've

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read anything about history the boomers have dealt with difficult times themselves there's a lot of

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tumultuous stuff that they grew up in in the 60s 70s and 80s and uh 2008 and you know

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they've been getting screwed by the pedophilic ruling class for a long time

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so they also make up that ruling class though to be fair you know primarily i'm just you know i'm

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not trying to you know not trying to take a shot here but it is true not all of them obviously and

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there are many good boomers there are many fine people on the boomer side yeah another downside

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like downvote for them i i totally hear what you're saying dick um is i i tend to hear that

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at least from uh the boomer boomers around me which is pretty much my dad and his friends

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that they would like to return to the time when everyone had the same slop and agreed on

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what slop was good slop and are sad that everyone enjoys different slop today

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and they can't just slop along together.

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I don't know how we return back to the great slop era

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because slop was so much simpler

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because you had a one-to-many slop distribution mechanism, right?

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You had the legacy.

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At that point, it was the mainstream media.

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That's the last walker.

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That's what you had.

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That was where you got your slop.

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You knew you could tune in every night for Walter Cronkite,

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and he was going to feed you some grade A pleb slop.

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It's a lot of power when you're on YouTube.

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But now it's like there's just so many different places.

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It's a pleb slop overload, really.

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We could make or break his career.

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It's hard to know.

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Maybe there is good pleb slop out there, too.

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Maybe there is good pleb slop.

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But how do you sift through and find the pleb slop signal,

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if that's possible, amidst all the pleb slop noise?

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And I think that's really the challenge that our generation faces, being this kind of the bridge between the analog pleb slop and the digital pleb slop, which is it's a tough line to tread, really.

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No, you're right.

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We were raised on a different slop and had to learn firsthand,

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be the first people to try and learn this new age of slop,

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whereas Gen Z was born into it and has seen it their whole lives

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and has seen how we adjusted to it and how we dealt with it

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and learned from our mistakes.

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So, you know, I would say that we had it the hardest

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and no one else had it harder than us.

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And don't feel sorry for us because we figured out Bitcoin,

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but also feel sorry for us because we had it the hardest.

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Yeah, yeah, it's tough, right?

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And I think maybe every generation thinks that they've had the hardest slop to deal with.

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But just like objectively, the slop used to be just simpler, right?

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It was just purely simpler slop.

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It was easier to digest slop.

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It was like oatmeal textured slop.

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Even a baby could take it down.

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Now it's like the slop has gotten more sophisticated.

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You've got all different levels of this pleb slop as well.

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You've got all sorts.

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I mean the proliferation of AI generated pleb slop I think is really just kind of like a game changer, right?

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Because it just lowers the barrier to entry for somebody to create just low-grade pleb slop.

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And that's where things I think get a little bit dicey.

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And we're seeing that play out right now in real time.

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i think it's exciting the the decentralization and democrat democratization of slop is ultimately

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a good thing like i think lowering the barrier to entry where anybody can engage in the slop

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it allows individuals to have more of a voice but i think uh one of the one of the challenges of

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what people don't realize is they're operating in these sandboxes

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where the slop is controlled, which is these social media platforms.

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So I think they need to get a little bit more creative

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with breaking out of their little sandboxes

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to spread their slop wider, if that makes sense.

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Ben, your thoughts on that?

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I mean, do you share that perspective?

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Well, I do think it's interesting that the newest craze on Nostra adoption has come out as a very anti-slop and especially anti-AI slop stance where they're, if I'm not wrong, I think removing slop from their platform.

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Are you talking about divine?

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Yeah, I think.

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The Vine. Yeah, the Vine. Yeah. So I think that that's that's an interesting stance on to take on slop on the quote unquote, like the freedom.

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Protocol, the freedom of speech protocol, it's interesting to see such a hard stance taken on slop.

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I haven't followed that. Can you explain the dynamic? Like, who are the players? What are the arguments? What is categorized as slop?

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Well, I think in this specific reference here, Ben is referring to Divine.

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So it's basically a reboot of the old Vine app, which maybe a lot of Zoomers won't even know about.

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But it was a short form video app that existed before Instagram had video.

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Like Instagram picked up video after Vine became wildly popular.

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Instagram was just photos before that.

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If you can believe it, kids.

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But this was true.

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This happened.

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And then Vine kind of died out.

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recently jack dorsey's and other stuff initiative which funds a lot of open source development

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specifically around noster notes and other stuff transmitted by relays this is the other stuff

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part uh in case you didn't put that together uh rabble who worked on twitter in the early days

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with jack built out what he's calling divine or divine d-i-v-i-n-e and basically one of the core

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pieces of it is they're trying to recreate kind of the old vine experience they also have an

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archive of a bunch of the most popular vines from back in the day and that they've like they've

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basically cached in there and then they're also going to be automatically detecting flagging and

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removing any ai generated content so the goal is to have content that is wholly created by human

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beings without the use of artificial intelligence which is kind of like the polar opposite of like

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you know like chat gbt's sora has its own app now right um there's all these different cases where

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they're creating social feeds specifically around AI generated slop without any human slop involved.

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And it's like, great. Are you going to get some human slop on, on divine? Sure. But at least,

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you know, that that slop that somebody put a little bit of work into that, they weren't just

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prompting the slop. They were living the slop. And I think that that, I think that that has some

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meaning to it. That has that, that, that means something in this, in this day and age.

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It's very pro jobs, which is great. You'd think it was a politician, um, building this app,

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except maybe it works well right that that'd be and there's no taxes that you have to pay for it so

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you know it's like it's even better you're not just getting robbed constantly but it's it's

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interesting like i'm personally i like i i enjoyed using vine uh back in the day it really did and so

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like when i saw this coming out and it was like oh we're not going to allow any sort of ai generated

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content on there at all like it's probably going to get more and more difficult from a moderation

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perspective just as the ai generated content gets more and more uh you know let's say slick but i

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mean hopefully there's there's enough markers that they can pull where they're able to actually keep

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it that way i don't know it's wild times who knows yeah i have no idea like how they're actually

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picturing that but it does seem like nostre video is the next frontier of what's being built on

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Noster, which is really cool. I mean, it seems like primals really diving into that. Um, and

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I don't know, it's, it's, uh, I, I like the only social media I've ever really loved is,

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is Twitter and then Twitter clones on Noster. But, um, I've been sucked into the slop vortex on

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Instagram and tech talk enough that my feet go numb when I'm taking a shit that I know how powerful

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it is. So that's not good, dude. That's a, that's a surefire way to get yourself some hemorrhoids.

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It's like, you don't want to be doing that, man.

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You got to get off that toilet.

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No, no, no, no.

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Delete apps.

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I did that once.

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I deleted it.

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I downloaded TikTok and then my feet went numb and I deleted the app that day because I knew the danger of hemorrhoids.

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I go see your local doctor.

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But I don't know.

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It seems like there was that TikTok band for a while that brought a lot of people to Nostra.

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And if that divine really takes off like the momentum it has, that's super cool to see.

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and, you know, slop or not, like if they're anti-slop,

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there's going to be a slop competitor, and that's going to, you know,

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that just brings more people to Noster because everyone loves slop,

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and then there's the people who love rules.

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Yeah, I mean, I know that they, I think this blew up in a way

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that Rabble really did not anticipate.

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Like they maxed out the 10,000, like Apple TestFlight has a 10,000 user limit

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on a TestFlight version.

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and they like hit that limit like very very quickly like i think like within like a day or

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two of just putting this out publicly and app store i mean for anyone who's dealt with the

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apple app store it is just a pain in the ass like and it's very opaque process in terms of that

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review process and so i know that it's i think it's still in review i don't think it's actually

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gotten pushed live so yeah i've got the testlet version sitting on my phone uh feeling very lucky

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have not uh put together any divines yet i don't know if you call them a divine now or if you just

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still call them a vine. Is there a new content on there? There is. I mean, again, I've only spent

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like, I like literally just downloaded it like right before the test flight closed apparently.

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So I've not spent enough time on there yet. I've been too busy, uh, you know, too busy podcasting,

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uh, in the long form, but, but I think it's going to be a nice way to really break up, uh,

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you know, make the shortest form Bitcoin podcasts possible. Like, you know, it's,

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I think you probably only get, I think it's seven seconds was the original vine. So like,

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that's a very short podcast, but still a podcast, I think. It can be with the right content.

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Walker, have you ever wondered if you're becoming the slop or have you ever like stayed up late at

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worrying about that? I think about this often. My thesis around this is that if I embrace the slop

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in a satirical and over the top way, for instance, calling this particular stream,

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what did I call it? Emergency broadcast. The real reason Bitcoin crashed. It's not what you think.

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You know, I think that as long as we, as long as we're cognizant of the fact that we are,

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we are still perpetuating the slop, but we do so in a mindful way. And we, and we acknowledge that

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what we're doing is slop. I think that's the key. If you don't acknowledge when you're putting out

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the slop, that is the worst form of slop. If you, if you know the slop, if you can name the slop,

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you can really own the slop.

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Otherwise the slop owns you.

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If you think this is some original content,

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this is some incredibly spicy and thoughtful take,

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but it's just slop, it's like,

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oh, well then maybe you're just a sloppy person.

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But if you know what you're doing,

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if you're slopping for a reason,

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I'm more okay with it.

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If it's purposeful slop.

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But I don't know.

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I mean, Dick, as an actual journalist here,

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You know, we've got a we've got a podcaster, a journalist podcaster and a winemaker podcaster here.

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So speaking of wine, I'd like to say that this plebslop stream is sponsored by Peony Lane Wine.

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Peony Lane Wine. You may be reading plebslop while you drink it, but at least it doesn't taste like plebslop.

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So I'll work on that. I don't really have a I don't really have a saying there, but I do, in fact, enjoy Peony Lane Wine.

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And if you like slop that is not slop, I should say regular wine is probably more slop.

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Like organic wine.

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I know you don't call it technically organic anymore, right?

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I saw your post about that.

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But like, I don't know.

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I get less hungover with your wine.

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So it doesn't seem that sloppy to me.

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You can get sloppy without feeling sloppy.

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Maybe there's something there.

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I'll work on it.

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Since this is business on air, it's not organic because I don't want to get the organic certification.

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What I stopped calling it was natural due to some like real microbiome yeast nuance that honestly felt like slop to right.

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It was wine slop.

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It was like, I did read it.

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It was wine nuance, which makes me feel sloppy as hell, but it's not slop.

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um i it's really a lot of like i said i get sucked in this slop vortex nothing worse than

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when i started listening to creed that walker i and dick you probably can i i became the slot for

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a little bit there and uh it still hits me every once in a while and uh every time i post creed

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Okay, let's talk about this though because Dick and I have talked about this before that like your average Christian rock that you hear on the radio if you, you know, are driving through Utah or something and it's like every station is that.

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is that like and you're like okay well you know i guess that's why i don't listen to the radio

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anymore that is like the most formulaic kind of musical slop you can get to now creed while they

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may be uh you know some would categorize them as a christian christian band i don't view them as

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slop like they're you know if you're one of the first to do it and you do so in a meaningful way

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is it slop or is the derivative are the derivatives that are created after that

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is that what the real slop is like i dick i'd love your take on this

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oh that's a good question um

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i don't know i think i need to think about that a little bit more okay it's all it's all very

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nuanced you know and slop to one person isn't slop to another person but yeah it's uh

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i don't know i like creed i like creed there i said it live on air creed look creed absolutely

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became slop but it was all about context right if you're listening to creed while watching the

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bitcoin chart uh you were slopping but if you're just listening to creed i think you're good

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and um when you listen to like nickelback for a little bit and then you switch to creed and

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you switch back to nickelback and you start listening to what they're talking about

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i don't know i started feeling gross listening to nickelback after switching to creed and i feel

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like that's kind of just at that time my only vocabulary was shit coining versus bitcoining

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but you know it could be slopping versus not slopping is there a word dick is there a word

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for the opposite of slop um i haven't come up with it but i i would i would explain it as like uh

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just having some semblance of of depth and in meaning and being grounded in uh

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uh uh i mean you kind of you kind of look at like you know

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slop isn't all bad you can like some slop but you look at like the difference between

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madex and osanoa gold osanoa gold does the pleb slop trading cards it's just is pure slop

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it's got cory is the most valuable bitcoiner you know it's just every every single like podconf

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buzzword and you know personality that is just spewing slop like they

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they're all about it you know and his art his art's pretty cool i would say uh but it just

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doesn't have the same like depth as as like a made x art you like you know made x charges a lot

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of money and he can he can get he can charge a lot of money he should charge a lot of money

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because it puts a ton of time into his artwork um and it's very it's very good too it's not just

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like he he puts a bunch of time into mediocre stuff like it's it's legitimately compelling

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art and so i think um you know i also know gold probably put some time into his art too but it's

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just you can kind of tell the difference uh between the two and i think individuals like

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there there are individuals that will never really master their craft and be the best at what they're

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doing doesn't mean that they suck they might they might put out some cool stuff but you you look at

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something that's like a complete masterpiece you know there's individuals that are

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exceptional at whatever their craft is whether it's music or art or you know podcasting interviewing

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like you know we we all like to pick on peter mccormick but he is a good interviewer and not

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only is he a good interviewer he's a good marketer he's a he's a good businessman and

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all of those things coming together

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you know make him a really good podcaster

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at the end of the day uh and you know he i i would argue even though i like you know vehemently

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disagree with him and i think his british accent is stupid and he should learn how to speak american

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him like i think he is the greatest of all time like he's the michael jordan of bitcoin podcasting

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you know but like when you look at michael jordan that guy you know is really legit but he was kind

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of a complete psychopath you know what i mean and um i think sometimes you kind of have to be a

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complete psychopath to like really master your craft like peter has

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do you think his british accent's real or do you think he's been faking it this whole time

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i think he's actually an undercover american you think okay maybe maybe a jury's still out in in my

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book but i mean how would you ever know yeah what were you gonna say that's well i will say for the

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metaphor of all podcasters he's the only one that came with a scotty pippen but danny's in this case

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i get it i get i would say scotty danny is doing well on his own whereas when michael left

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when michael left at the top of his game just like peter mccormick did scotty couldn't bring

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the bulls to the finals and i don't know i would say maybe danny does not bring in

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bitcoin to the finals just given how much how little we've pumped since uh

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since he came on but he's got a chance to go on a great run next year

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is it is it danny's fault maybe that we're not is danny the real reason that bitcoin's crashing

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i haven't explored that avenue it could be i'm i'm not sure if i'm never sure if danny is

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if he's british or if he's from one of the uh the british prison colonies uh down on the other side

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of the world i can never i can never keep all the british prison colonies straight

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you hear they have nice beaches up um he's a brit that it was got so bad in britain that he moved

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to a penal colony and then he decided to go to australia too right but anyway uh

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inappropriate wildly inappropriate okay real real talk though vibes are weird this is why i've

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started doing these late night live streams uh also because you know uh wife wife is away right

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now. So it's like, what are you going to do? Well, you're, you're going to Bitcoin podcast

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slash live stream. Like, like, it's just, it's, it's, it's what a man is compelled to do.

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And the vibes are strange. Like, I don't know what the fiat cuck buck price is right now.

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Let's see. It's like 92,000 infinitely printable fiat cuck bucks per Bitcoin.

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It feels to me, it feels to me, and I've said this to a number of people now, it feels to me that

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this is going to be one of those times that people look back on like the COVID

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crash being like, man, I should have, should have sold that other kidney.

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Why do I still have, why did I still have chairs?

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Should have backed up the truck as much as I could. And,

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and meanwhile, it feels like for a lot of,

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a lot of our fellow plebs are getting like slop psyoped into somehow being

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bearish while the institutions and nation states are gobbling up sats that could be going into those

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plebs cold storage and i just wonder if if plebs slop if the quality of plebs slop has been so low

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that the plebs aren't bullish enough or if the plebs slop has been directed in an un like a

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non-productive way and that is what's causing like the like the plebs are misaligned with with where

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the slop should be leading them. Like the point of slop is to make plebs bullish, right? That's,

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that's why it should be the point of all slop, but the slop has been perverted. I think the

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slop has been perverted. And a lot of the, the, the energy in the slop has been directed towards,

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I think, non-productive, non-bullish narratives. And I don't know. I just, it feels like,

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it feels like that's the issue to me. We need to get back to productive,

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bullish pleb slop.

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Like, yeah, Moonboy Hopium Caps Lock stuff

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is super fucking annoying.

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But it gets the plebs going.

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It gets me going, you know,

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and I'm aware that it's slop.

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So, like, I don't know.

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Where are you guys at on this?

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Is the slop not sloppy enough

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from a bullish standpoint,

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or is there something else at play?

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Dick, you're the expert here.

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you you are you really are dick um

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it's a loaded question i know yeah i don't know i mean i i think it's important i went on a rant

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about this last night on uh my stream uh i've been on this on this uh kind of journey of crafting

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this narrative for a while that the plebs don't matter there's kind of similar ideas that uh

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fesky was talking about last cycle and uh i think it's like one of the things that's

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really important is just self-awareness i i i don't like the slop personally like it just doesn't

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it doesn't do it for me it doesn't get me excited and i think part of the reason is because i'm not

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a plab uh i'm you know actively engaged in in my story in my life like when i think of like a plab

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i think of somebody that you know just isn't an active participant like some people may call it

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mpcs um but you know it's you know i'm not i'm not talking about like the i'm talking about the

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actual definition i think people have tried to you know take the term pleb and they try to

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self-identify and say like hey i'm just like a normal person like i'm not i'm not part of the

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the elite ruling class or our power player i'm just like a normal person that's interested in

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this technology um which i think is you know using the term pleb is is kind of lame because

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is it's synonymous with loser,

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which a lot of these individuals that refer to themselves as plebs are not losers.

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A lot of them are, to be fair.

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But a lot of individuals that refer to themselves as plebs,

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you know, are active participants in their lives or using their brains

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or trying to better themselves and, you know, build things

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and, like, pursue a sense of meaning and purpose.

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and like bitcoin is a role in that of allowing them to do that which gets them excited about it

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but i i think self you know referring to yourself as a pleb if you're an active participant in your

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in your life story is it's just it's it doesn't make a whole lot of sense like the the plebs are

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the ones that are sitting there slopping up the rizzo slop repeating everything that they hear

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larry leppard say and don't you slander larry's name on here i narrated his book and i i won't

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stand for it i just gotta let you know because larry's is honest slop it's honest slop because

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he is a boomer this is this thing i don't think the this is this goes back to the original thesis

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and I'm sorry to interrupt, but I got to here.

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I think that if you're not aware, like, I don't know.

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If you're a boomer and you're putting some of this stuff out

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and you're pro-Bitcoin, I'm willing to let some of the slop slide.

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And Larry's version of slop is like the, you know,

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like go fuck your mother, asshole,

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when he hears like something really stupid

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from like some other like boomer economist, you know?

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And so like that to me, like telling somebody like,

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listen you little shit bag like go fuck yourself that to me is like anti-slop like that that's

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that's a that's a way of kind of neutralizing slop but i'm again i'm happy to be corrected here but i

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did want to i did want to stand on that and and it's not just because i narrated larry's book

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it is actually just because i really like larry and i think that his particular brand

417
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:36,860
it resonates at least it's honest you know it's unfiltered also it's not trying to be anything

418
00:35:36,860 --> 00:35:38,420
and maybe that's where

419
00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:41,460
the nefarious part of pleb slop comes in

420
00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:43,740
trying to be something that we know it's not

421
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,820
but if you're just honest about it

422
00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:47,280
I don't know

423
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,060
maybe that's a different categorization

424
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:51,080
well

425
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,640
I mean the way I look at it

426
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,020
I wasn't trying to demean Larry

427
00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:57,980
I just think a lot of things that he does

428
00:35:57,980 --> 00:36:00,000
and says are sloppy

429
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:00,900
but like you know

430
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:02,500
part of the thing

431
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:04,960
there's people that exist

432
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:12,100
on different parts of the path you know what i mean i feel like the bugle exists at kind of the

433
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:19,080
end of the path of like you kind of had to have been listening to 40 hours of podcasts a week for

434
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,680
a while to understand what we're talking about and larry's at the like beginning of the path

435
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:32,560
and you know when when the the problem with the fiat world and the belief in authority in general

436
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:45,780
It makes you retarded because your entire worldview is essentially having reality dictated to you by people that don't have your self-interest in mind.

437
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:52,120
And so when you're bought into that system and being manipulated, it just makes you retarded.

438
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,300
And so you come into this idea of Bitcoin as a retard.

439
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:06,920
and you you need the slop to kind of you know to to meet you because if somebody just starts like

440
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:16,020
explaining merkle trees to you you know i'm having flashbacks to coming into bitcoin the way you're

441
00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:22,980
you're just connecting so many dots dick like i needed the slop to get started i needed the slop

442
00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:24,820
I needed to get high on some hopium.

443
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:29,620
I needed to crash on the hopium withdrawal in the bear market.

444
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,740
And through the bear market, I started muting the slop.

445
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,660
And it's kind of just a cycle of everything.

446
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,180
And you're just like, I didn't think about this.

447
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:45,360
You're just clarifying the history of my life in Bitcoin, Dick.

448
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,600
And I'm sorry to cut you off.

449
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,040
You're just clicking for me.

450
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:58,500
yeah i mean it's um i mean like the bitcoin standard is slop but it's like effective slop

451
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:05,620
like it's it's it's slop that got a lot of people started off but like once you learn a lot more and

452
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:10,060
get more context on the on the nuances of the way the world works you kind of look back

453
00:38:10,060 --> 00:38:14,720
retrospectively and you're just like oh yeah it's just like buzzword after buzzword after buzzword

454
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:26,760
and um uh you know maybe maybe your tastes change um but uh i think like the uh so i don't i don't

455
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,140
know about the i mean i guess like the the the bullish pleb slop that you're talking about is

456
00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:40,660
like trying to attract new people um that's that's the goal of trying to convince more people to this

457
00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:50,900
you know perspective you know worldview and um like i really believe in in trying to to craft

458
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:58,440
like compelling stories and narratives like that that's one of my uh passions and

459
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:09,520
uh the the slop can be done in a compelling way that gets people excited and like i think it's

460
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:17,720
more i think i would align with what you're describing which is you know what where's the

461
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:23,640
conversation right now well it's that the government is going to come in and prosecute you

462
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:29,300
for running a bitcoin note unless you change uh your behavior and convince everybody else to change

463
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:35,880
their behavior and start filtering transactions like that's not a compelling narrative that gets

464
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:42,660
anybody excited about anything it's a it's a very like destructive narrative where you know people

465
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:50,540
are just like oh wow like you know because this is what's going to happen is this endeavor is going

466
00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:55,220
to fail and and one of the reasons why it's going to fail is because it's just not it's not compelling

467
00:39:55,220 --> 00:40:02,920
like if you're if you're out there and you're trying to form bitcoin consensus you have to

468
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:10,660
convince a lot of players to come to your your perspective and come into alignment with what

469
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:18,680
you're trying to propagate and these guys that are promoting this agenda have attacked literally

470
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:26,900
everybody else they've gone out and they they have they've told every mining pool that they're

471
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:33,800
bad actor all their competitors they have told all these other industry participants

472
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,120
that they're bad actors they have not made friends and they're not going to be successful

473
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:45,340
as a result of that and whipping up a pleb frenzy of scared people that that think that

474
00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:48,700
you know the government's going to come in and prosecute them for running a bitcoin node

475
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:56,020
is they're not interacting with anybody that matters that pulls any weight um you know if all

476
00:40:56,020 --> 00:41:06,820
you do is listen to bitcoin podcasts with bitcoin mechanic and then uh go and uh you know buy bitcoin

477
00:41:06,820 --> 00:41:14,280
on on strike or whichever kyc bitcoin exchange and you withdraw it onto your hardware wallet of

478
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:21,360
choice if that's all you do and then you just yell about how uh glory is like a leftist on twitter

479
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:28,960
that's your that's your contribution to the world you don't matter you literally have zero

480
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:49,757
impact or value whatsoever in um doing anything except for maybe irritating individuals that uh actually do have power and influence in the world and um and so that where the narrative at and it a it a pretty lame narrative

481
00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:59,077
and i i do agree that uh but but i i think the price is going to lead the excitement this time

482
00:41:59,077 --> 00:42:10,537
around. I think the Bitcoin is so saturated. I think the price is going to drive the compelling

483
00:42:10,537 --> 00:42:16,697
narratives and the exciting, you know, bolt hearted pleb slop is going to it's going to

484
00:42:16,697 --> 00:42:23,537
follow the price. It's going to be backwards a little bit. So let me ask this, because as you

485
00:42:23,537 --> 00:42:28,337
were saying this, the question that naturally came to my mind, which is quite philosophical in

486
00:42:28,337 --> 00:42:34,137
nature of course and as a podcaster this happens to me very often it's almost i i can't i i can't

487
00:42:34,137 --> 00:42:39,257
help it they've many universities have offered to give me an honorary degree in pleb slop off

488
00:42:39,257 --> 00:42:45,817
office uh pleb slava yeah whatever uh my point being do the ends justify the slop like and i mean

489
00:42:45,817 --> 00:42:49,557
that is in a serious way like because that's kind of what you're getting at right like you're like

490
00:42:49,557 --> 00:42:53,937
you're saying okay uh the bitcoin standard is slop but like it's effective slop like the bitcoin

491
00:42:53,937 --> 00:43:01,237
Standard was hugely formative for me early in my journey, right? Like, very grateful to

492
00:43:01,237 --> 00:43:05,477
safety that he wrote that book. I think that's opened a ton of minds, opened a ton of eyes.

493
00:43:05,577 --> 00:43:11,457
And like, once your eyes are open to how the world works or how you start to think that it

494
00:43:11,457 --> 00:43:14,437
works, then you go down different rabbit holes and figure out like, you weren't even right about

495
00:43:14,437 --> 00:43:21,397
that. You never shut your eyes again. So like, if the plebs slop has the ability to open people's

496
00:43:21,397 --> 00:43:26,597
eyes to the truth does that justify it conversely then what you're describing which i believe

497
00:43:26,597 --> 00:43:36,077
is in relation to the the silent k movement uh that that slop doesn't seem to in my mind and i

498
00:43:36,077 --> 00:43:43,957
know you know i've apparently been been branded as a uh a quartard and things like that for saying

499
00:43:43,957 --> 00:43:49,137
that you should run whatever node software you want and i don't update my node uh you know very

500
00:43:49,137 --> 00:43:55,637
often at all. But we'll let sleeping dogs lie or whatever analogy is appropriate there.

501
00:43:56,197 --> 00:44:00,797
My point being that it seems that there's productive slop and there's unproductive slop.

502
00:44:01,017 --> 00:44:08,237
There is slop that has a net benefit and slop that is net negative. Maybe you could say there's

503
00:44:08,237 --> 00:44:15,657
positive sum slop and negative sum slop. I don't know if zero sum slop exists. Can zero sum slop

504
00:44:15,657 --> 00:44:24,077
exist. And if slop is positive sum, do the ends justify the slop? That would be my question.

505
00:44:24,577 --> 00:44:30,337
I would argue, and I'll take the opposing view here maybe, or maybe it's not opposing, but

506
00:44:30,337 --> 00:44:37,817
I'll say in a lot of cases, the ends do justify the slop. If the slop gets more people to take

507
00:44:37,817 --> 00:44:42,017
Bitcoin into self-custody after getting an appropriately large UTXO so that they're not

508
00:44:42,017 --> 00:44:49,437
just getting dusted out like that that's good slop if the slop makes people uh just to use that same

509
00:44:49,437 --> 00:44:54,937
analogy if the slop makes people think that they should just immediately put the tiny little bit of

510
00:44:54,937 --> 00:44:59,097
bitcoin that they have in a hardware wallet right away and their utxo is just going to eventually

511
00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:03,977
turn to dust because they got psyoped into thinking that they need to like transfer it

512
00:45:03,977 --> 00:45:07,857
immediately or as soon as their dca hits that those sats need to be going to their cold storage

513
00:45:07,857 --> 00:45:11,697
and now those sats are going to be unspendable at some point like that's that's negative some

514
00:45:11,697 --> 00:45:18,997
slop. That's bad slop. So like, I think the ends can justify the slop. If the slop's end result is

515
00:45:18,997 --> 00:45:27,477
that it gets more people using Bitcoin in a positive and constructive way. But I'm happy to

516
00:45:27,477 --> 00:45:33,337
be, you know, maybe you could take the other view that no slop is justifiable. There are other ways

517
00:45:33,337 --> 00:45:37,097
to do it. But maybe it's just that we've been so conditioned by slop throughout everything in our

518
00:45:37,097 --> 00:45:45,317
lives like put a different way is slop a result of the fiat incentive structure and does slop

519
00:45:45,317 --> 00:45:51,197
exist to the same degree in a hyper bitcoinized world i i've asked a lot of questions there so

520
00:45:51,197 --> 00:45:54,697
i'll shut up for a second but i don't know i'm just glad we're exploring this because i

521
00:45:54,697 --> 00:46:04,117
and i want to say dick uh to to you and rod the the creation of plebslop the naming of the beast

522
00:46:04,117 --> 00:46:11,017
I think will go down as one of the most impactful memetic movements that Bitcoin will see this decade.

523
00:46:11,897 --> 00:46:14,577
Maybe this, maybe, maybe ever, right?

524
00:46:14,577 --> 00:46:18,057
Because it's forced, it's really forced a reckoning, I think.

525
00:46:18,317 --> 00:46:21,957
And it's forced a self-evaluation by purveyors of slop.

526
00:46:22,057 --> 00:46:27,317
And if you don't evaluate yourself, if you don't critically look and judge this through this slop lens,

527
00:46:27,557 --> 00:46:31,537
I don't know if you can ever actually get closer to truth.

528
00:46:32,337 --> 00:46:33,617
So I'll pause there for a moment.

529
00:46:33,617 --> 00:46:38,397
I'll have another sip of my delicious Peony Lane wine made by Ben Justman here,

530
00:46:38,517 --> 00:46:40,397
winemaker and podcaster extraordinaire.

531
00:46:41,597 --> 00:46:43,977
This is a value for vino.

532
00:46:45,117 --> 00:46:47,937
This is a value for vino stream also just so everybody knows.

533
00:46:48,057 --> 00:46:54,497
So I do have a financial interest in this in the sense that I'm drinking Ben's wine that he gave me.

534
00:46:55,137 --> 00:46:58,097
So I just want to – my lawyer wanted me to just say that disclaimer.

535
00:46:58,297 --> 00:46:59,357
So I'll stop there now.

536
00:46:59,997 --> 00:47:00,397
Discuss.

537
00:47:00,397 --> 00:47:08,757
before we wrap up the stream i i want to know i don't want to i want to talk about your question

538
00:47:08,757 --> 00:47:17,337
but uh i've got a great plebslot pickup line featuring penny lane um oh okay i'm i'm just

539
00:47:17,337 --> 00:47:21,917
gonna add a little i'm gonna add a note uh to uh to uh the side here so that we make sure that we

540
00:47:21,917 --> 00:47:27,917
hit that because we do need to yeah um do the ends justify the means uh

541
00:47:27,917 --> 00:47:33,157
i mean i think this is uh

542
00:47:33,157 --> 00:47:43,337
i think it's really important to live with integrity and to uh

543
00:47:43,337 --> 00:47:55,657
to not intentionally mislead people and to lie to people so i think you know when you believe

544
00:47:55,657 --> 00:48:04,517
something that's true and you've done work to understand it like like one of the ways that you

545
00:48:04,517 --> 00:48:10,597
avoid getting deranged is you constantly question yourself and your motives like you you look in the

546
00:48:10,597 --> 00:48:16,797
mirror and you try to accurately evaluate yourself and you have other people around you to give you

547
00:48:16,797 --> 00:48:24,157
feedback as to what you're doing people that you trust people that you respect people that have

548
00:48:24,157 --> 00:48:30,337
what you want in your life to keep you in check and make sure you don't you know go off the deep

549
00:48:30,337 --> 00:48:37,017
end and like when they give you feedback that might be uncomfortable it's important to really

550
00:48:37,017 --> 00:48:43,517
like take the heart instead of you know just being like oh you disagreed with me so therefore

551
00:48:43,517 --> 00:48:50,277
you're an idiot like you know really like trying to evaluate it um you know in question you might

552
00:48:50,277 --> 00:48:58,837
disagree with them but you spend the process of thinking that uh and and so i think this pursuit

553
00:48:58,837 --> 00:49:07,197
of of truth is important in in general and i think we can all get you know off the map a little bit

554
00:49:07,197 --> 00:49:15,717
but like i think like you know this having an end goal and trying to intentionally mislead people

555
00:49:15,717 --> 00:49:22,817
into getting to that end goal is problematic and we're experiencing this right now of like

556
00:49:22,817 --> 00:49:28,137
you know universally across the world individuals have been a part

557
00:49:28,137 --> 00:49:35,017
of people trying to mislead them in a certain direction we're dealing with the consequences

558
00:49:35,017 --> 00:49:41,057
right now there's there's blowback from it and part of the reason why i don't particularly like

559
00:49:41,057 --> 00:49:52,197
to uh uh partake in the in the sloth is uh it you know it sets me back like you know i i could have

560
00:49:52,197 --> 00:49:58,597
a lot further reach but it's just not my intention is to to like really get a lot of you know

561
00:49:58,597 --> 00:50:04,277
validation from the plebs or whatever like i just want to to say what i think is important

562
00:50:04,277 --> 00:50:10,857
and uh tell compelling stories like that's that's my goal like i i just enjoy the process

563
00:50:10,857 --> 00:50:18,457
you know crafting these uh these stories like it's just it's a fun thing to do and like it feels

564
00:50:18,457 --> 00:50:25,597
really good when people respond to it and see it is validating but like i just don't really

565
00:50:25,597 --> 00:50:35,377
you know care about um like a broader acceptance of like attempting to like get it launched on the

566
00:50:35,377 --> 00:50:42,037
podconf tour you know whatever but um so i think that's that's the key is just like you know with

567
00:50:42,037 --> 00:50:52,777
you can slop but don't lie and don't don't just um and i think you know have that process of

568
00:50:52,777 --> 00:50:59,737
critical evaluation because like when when you're intentionally trying to mislead people i think is

569
00:50:59,737 --> 00:51:06,577
just a general disrespect for other people and i think people might find you know they might

570
00:51:06,577 --> 00:51:11,737
accuse me of being disrespectful because i uh you know could be a little bit sharp with criticism

571
00:51:11,737 --> 00:51:19,197
sometimes but i don't think the the criticism is is necessarily disrespectful i just think it's

572
00:51:19,197 --> 00:51:27,537
it's um you know like i try to be truthful with it um you know and oftentimes i'll criticize people

573
00:51:27,537 --> 00:51:35,577
but also um you know share what what i do like about them it's not like this person is is entirely

574
00:51:35,577 --> 00:51:47,977
bad um but i like i think you know a lot of the problems because you look at the way that

575
00:51:47,977 --> 00:51:53,757
discourse happens generally from what i've seen is a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to

576
00:51:53,757 --> 00:52:00,937
worry about what other people think and and how they live and and what should be done like drugs

577
00:52:00,937 --> 00:52:06,517
should be illegal because somebody's gonna do it and not take care of their family or uh you know

578
00:52:06,517 --> 00:52:11,297
this the law should be set in place because you know we need to take care of these people

579
00:52:11,297 --> 00:52:20,157
and it's it's kind of a stupid waste of energy to spend a bunch of time you know in like the

580
00:52:20,157 --> 00:52:24,657
Bitcoin ecosystem does this a lot where they're like, we need to fix the money so that we can fix

581
00:52:24,657 --> 00:52:30,217
the world. We need to fix the incentives, you know, and, you know, make everything better for,

582
00:52:30,457 --> 00:52:35,477
you know, the fiat idiots who, you know, don't listen to Bitcoin podcasts and read the Bitcoin

583
00:52:35,477 --> 00:52:42,277
standard and use the language that we use. You know, the reality is, is like, I think,

584
00:52:42,277 --> 00:52:50,597
you know you have to think for yourself and and focus on your own life your own success

585
00:52:50,597 --> 00:52:57,557
the things that you control and believing that other people have the capacity to do that

586
00:52:57,557 --> 00:53:04,277
is having an attitude of respect for other individuals and not not having this you know

587
00:53:04,277 --> 00:53:09,637
very arrogant perspective of like i have the power to make decisions over other people's lives

588
00:53:09,637 --> 00:53:16,177
uh you know through through these policies or you know you know whatever like being

589
00:53:16,177 --> 00:53:22,457
uh a control over other people and i i really think it's through the empowerment and inspiring

590
00:53:22,457 --> 00:53:28,977
like one of the ways that you empower people is you inspire them and i think if you inspire

591
00:53:28,977 --> 00:53:37,177
other individuals to think for themselves mostly by being an example you know start pursuing things

592
00:53:37,177 --> 00:53:44,157
that are important to them instead of being a you know a slave to the system uh you know just

593
00:53:44,157 --> 00:53:51,877
surrendering their mind to you know thought leaders or gurus or you know leader whatever it is

594
00:53:51,877 --> 00:54:01,977
uh that's really where where the change happens uh and i i think oftentimes you know just the

595
00:54:01,977 --> 00:54:08,437
emphasis because the problem with the slop you need something beyond the slop that that's

596
00:54:08,437 --> 00:54:16,177
compelling like the the slop is what what brings people in but you need something to keep people

597
00:54:16,177 --> 00:54:27,437
compelled interested engaged in it like if this if this ecosystem in these ideologies which

598
00:54:27,437 --> 00:54:33,317
a lot of us believe in this this idea of separating money and state and kind of libertarian

599
00:54:33,317 --> 00:54:40,037
ish libertarian is such a dirty word it's it's been ruined by those retards in politics but

600
00:54:40,037 --> 00:54:47,877
um you know just this idea of liberty in general if if those are are compelling narratives like you

601
00:54:47,877 --> 00:54:53,077
you need because like what i've seen this happen over and over again where people will come in

602
00:54:53,077 --> 00:54:57,497
they'll be all excited about these things and then they'll kind of get tired of the slop

603
00:54:57,497 --> 00:55:02,877
they'll get tired of not seeing things change and they'll just become like grumpy status

604
00:55:02,877 --> 00:55:11,277
and they'll hate the jews or whatever it is that they get into and in that's all resulting from a

605
00:55:11,277 --> 00:55:20,197
compelling you know storytelling and um and stuff to keep people engaged uh

606
00:55:20,197 --> 00:55:26,877
because it's just like you know there's more to life than just you know buying bitcoin and waiting

607
00:55:26,877 --> 00:55:34,677
for the world to fall apart like there is that'll that'll only keep you entertained for a couple of

608
00:55:34,677 --> 00:55:42,997
years you know what i mean like you need something beyond that um and i think that's that's where i

609
00:55:42,997 --> 00:55:49,657
get frustrated and what i think is missing in this ecosystem in general i think it's it's missing

610
00:55:49,657 --> 00:55:59,057
in a lot of different areas of the world and so like my quest is to or one of my quests is to

611
00:55:59,057 --> 00:56:05,217
to really go find these individuals that are creating compelling stories and and really uh

612
00:56:05,217 --> 00:56:13,297
uh you know trying to like promote them and and work with them so i mean i i just don't i don't

613
00:56:13,297 --> 00:56:20,477
think the like if you if you teach somebody to not be retarded like the slop just doesn't

614
00:56:20,477 --> 00:56:24,637
it doesn't hit the same you know what i mean you need something beyond that

615
00:56:24,637 --> 00:56:31,617
ben where are you at with this because i i think that i think that that's fair the problem is that

616
00:56:31,617 --> 00:56:39,717
there's there's a lot of retards out there and and we can all have these tendencies of course

617
00:56:39,717 --> 00:56:47,037
but you know it's it's like you know the the meme of that one guy who's probably probably not a great

618
00:56:47,037 --> 00:56:51,537
dude you know or something i'm sure there's lots of reasons that we we shouldn't quote a guy like

619
00:56:51,537 --> 00:56:56,777
that but he did cut you know the the kind of arab looking guy with a big old beard is like you know

620
00:56:56,777 --> 00:57:03,477
problem with democracy is like it's you know like the people are retarded like well you know like

621
00:57:03,477 --> 00:57:09,717
i don't know if we like i don't know if we fix that but then then i'd love your over

622
00:57:09,717 --> 00:57:16,337
gosh this is peony lane wine um i'd love your take on this where where are you at with this

623
00:57:16,337 --> 00:57:22,657
do you do you share dick's opinions regarding the the slop and just again i think this this

624
00:57:22,657 --> 00:57:27,117
comes back to people's resistances to it like it comes back to where we started that just most

625
00:57:27,117 --> 00:57:33,317
people like most people just gobble up the slop like that's why i've been putting that one weird

626
00:57:33,317 --> 00:57:38,517
pig that got memed with sydney sweeney uh you know and then put into a lex friedman suit that's

627
00:57:38,517 --> 00:57:41,937
why i've been putting him as the thumbnail for all these live streams because to me that pig is like

628
00:57:41,937 --> 00:57:47,677
really just a perfectly emblematic uh so for some reason it just it just feels like sloppy

629
00:57:47,677 --> 00:57:53,897
like that pig just gobbles up slop you know it uh but yeah ben where are you at well first i want

630
00:57:53,897 --> 00:58:01,277
to just give a shout out to uh dick greaser's integrity um journalistic integrity came to mind

631
00:58:01,277 --> 00:58:06,937
a lot, but especially the word integrity with a lot of that, that was like, um, like I'm not

632
00:58:06,937 --> 00:58:13,997
joking that that just really hit me as a well said. And I think in kind of the context of what

633
00:58:13,997 --> 00:58:20,237
we're talking about, it, it makes me think about, yeah, sure. This arc of our journey where

634
00:58:20,237 --> 00:58:26,497
you kind of need something memetic, you need something stupid or, or whatever to, to just

635
00:58:26,497 --> 00:58:31,617
pierce your barrier and the way you think about the world and get you interested.

636
00:58:32,537 --> 00:58:36,117
And you're probably going to get high off that for a little bit until you start really

637
00:58:36,117 --> 00:58:40,497
diving deep, especially, I mean, into Bitcoin, especially.

638
00:58:42,497 --> 00:58:49,477
And when we're talking about like existence on Twitter, posting on Twitter and what you

639
00:58:49,477 --> 00:58:57,817
like do and value there um i think it becomes i mean everyone has different incentives everyone's

640
00:58:57,817 --> 00:59:02,337
trying to build different things um some people just want dopamine hits some people just want to

641
00:59:02,337 --> 00:59:07,877
fuck around and say whatever the hell they want um some people are looking to like build a following

642
00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:14,517
build connections just actually learn things whatever um and i think the amount of blood

643
00:59:14,517 --> 00:59:20,257
Slop you get and the nuance within that kind of starts to tell you like what someone's actually

644
00:59:20,257 --> 00:59:26,037
looking for and Twitter and Nostra whatever is just like a you know it's one side of a person

645
00:59:26,037 --> 00:59:33,617
but um in thinking about it like for myself like I got sucked into Pleb Slop and um couldn't get

646
00:59:33,617 --> 00:59:42,797
enough of it and um you know Pleb Slop changed my life but I would say I've grown out of it and the

647
00:59:42,797 --> 00:59:47,737
last time I really was plebslop, it was kind of euphoric.

648
00:59:47,877 --> 00:59:48,897
It was a coming of age.

649
00:59:48,977 --> 00:59:53,757
It was getting above my cost basis and feeling finally like the weight lifted off my shoulders

650
00:59:53,757 --> 01:00:02,477
of being down in the bear market for so long that, I don't know, I haven't felt that euphoria

651
01:00:02,477 --> 01:00:05,457
since and I haven't really plebslopped that hard since.

652
01:00:05,457 --> 01:00:11,657
But I think there's just there's a lot of wanting for engagement.

653
01:00:11,657 --> 01:00:14,337
And then there's a lot of also wanting deeper connections.

654
01:00:14,337 --> 01:00:19,737
And I find there the deeper connections don't really scale as far as social media goes.

655
01:00:19,817 --> 01:00:22,057
They don't really scale as far as response goes.

656
01:00:22,057 --> 01:00:29,297
And so they get muted out and you have to really curate your feed to find them and define those people.

657
01:00:29,297 --> 01:00:38,417
so it takes work to to once you once you're kind of over the pleb slop you've had enough of it it

658
01:00:38,417 --> 01:00:43,797
takes work to keep continuously clearing it off to find the stuff that you really want to engage in

659
01:00:43,797 --> 01:00:51,177
the connections you really want to have and it's gratifying to find those other people and once

660
01:00:51,177 --> 01:00:56,357
I don't know there's just I feel like I've just seen so many pleb slops over the years that it's

661
01:00:56,357 --> 01:01:02,597
just like every so many things read like that and i i do like i have nothing bad to say about

662
01:01:02,597 --> 01:01:07,497
lawrence lapard i think he's a good guy and i've you know meeting him a few times nothing but good

663
01:01:07,497 --> 01:01:13,177
things to say about him the title of his book is pure plebslop like that is the justice that is

664
01:01:13,177 --> 01:01:19,137
like plebslop to a t the big print that's why we're all here that's what got us all in um and

665
01:01:19,137 --> 01:01:24,897
that's probably like that combined with the quality of his book is is you know just what

666
01:01:24,897 --> 01:01:30,097
dick was saying is like there's something behind it the pleb slop brought them in and there's

667
01:01:30,097 --> 01:01:37,677
something there and it'd be one thing if the bitcoin pleb slop was just that and it was just

668
01:01:37,677 --> 01:01:45,177
it was the crypto pleb slop that's gonna like that leads to nothing but at least with pleb slop

669
01:01:45,177 --> 01:01:50,717
for bitcoin there's some real substance behind it and it's just that's gonna bring you in so yes

670
01:01:50,717 --> 01:01:53,277
The ends justify the slop in my mind.

671
01:01:54,257 --> 01:02:00,517
And I hope slopping continues because my family still needs to get into the slop.

672
01:02:00,817 --> 01:02:02,517
They still need to get addicted to that shit.

673
01:02:03,217 --> 01:02:06,457
And I have one cousin who's addicted, and it's great to see.

674
01:02:06,737 --> 01:02:09,877
I love seeing his slop that he posts on Instagram.

675
01:02:10,457 --> 01:02:13,697
It brings me back to my glory days when I first got into slop.

676
01:02:14,417 --> 01:02:20,417
And I'm excited for him to move past it because it's also cringe for me to see

677
01:02:20,417 --> 01:02:22,457
because I used to post that same shit,

678
01:02:22,637 --> 01:02:25,257
but it's a phase we all have to go through for the most part.

679
01:02:26,677 --> 01:02:30,237
You know, it's funny.

680
01:02:31,377 --> 01:02:36,037
It's like with Bitcoin, maybe it's come for the plebslop,

681
01:02:36,297 --> 01:02:37,277
stay for the revolution.

682
01:02:37,657 --> 01:02:40,957
Maybe plebslop's top of the funnel ultimately

683
01:02:40,957 --> 01:02:43,157
when it comes to bringing people in, right?

684
01:02:43,937 --> 01:02:44,897
Necessarily so.

685
01:02:45,697 --> 01:02:48,117
I think to contrast it with, quote, crypto,

686
01:02:48,117 --> 01:02:50,077
it's like that's not even plebslop.

687
01:02:50,077 --> 01:02:55,837
that's just like it's like vc slop it's like it's like it's it's it's it's grifter side i don't know

688
01:02:55,837 --> 01:03:01,037
what it is it's just somehow like i don't even want to put it together because i don't think

689
01:03:01,037 --> 01:03:06,877
there's anything that can even be virtuous about it by nature of the shit coins that you're hawking

690
01:03:06,877 --> 01:03:12,477
through it you know what i mean or it's like like i it just feels like that's just like this whole

691
01:03:12,477 --> 01:03:19,537
this whole like zcash uh manufactured this support from you know just so happens like all the vcs are

692
01:03:19,537 --> 01:03:26,177
really showing it hard and all the biggest you know crypto uh pumpers are just showing it really

693
01:03:26,177 --> 01:03:31,957
hard that they all just suddenly cared about privacy you know hey it's amazing we all came

694
01:03:31,957 --> 01:03:38,857
to this conclusion at the exact same time shocking right shocking we were wrong because it pumped so

695
01:03:38,857 --> 01:03:46,417
what can you do yeah you know but it's it's like i i don't know i i think that there

696
01:03:46,417 --> 01:03:50,197
ultimately is a place for pleb slop.

697
01:03:50,517 --> 01:03:53,297
But here's something that, Dick,

698
01:03:53,317 --> 01:03:55,117
and I think this was part of the brilliance

699
01:03:55,117 --> 01:03:59,997
of you guys really kind of coining this term,

700
01:04:00,457 --> 01:04:04,777
is that if you're offended by somebody saying

701
01:04:04,777 --> 01:04:06,177
that you're engaging in pleb slop,

702
01:04:07,297 --> 01:04:11,497
then you're telling on yourself, right?

703
01:04:11,957 --> 01:04:15,057
If you're offended by it, you're telling on yourself.

704
01:04:15,057 --> 01:04:20,577
And I don't think I still just haven't even seen most people come to that realization.

705
01:04:20,577 --> 01:04:26,117
But are you with me on this stick that like anyone, if you are, if you are accused of pleb

706
01:04:26,117 --> 01:04:28,497
slop, you get like really offended by that.

707
01:04:29,217 --> 01:04:38,257
That's just kind of like, it's like, well, you know, like now we know you told on yourself.

708
01:04:38,417 --> 01:04:40,377
Is that is that how you're viewing this as well?

709
01:04:41,477 --> 01:04:41,917
Yeah.

710
01:04:41,917 --> 01:04:45,597
I love that people are mentioning Cratter in the live stream chat.

711
01:04:47,797 --> 01:04:48,677
Which live stream?

712
01:04:48,737 --> 01:04:50,597
Because we've got a couple on here.

713
01:04:51,617 --> 01:04:52,957
Is this on SlopTube?

714
01:04:54,697 --> 01:04:58,277
I'm watching the Riverside chat right now,

715
01:04:58,357 --> 01:05:00,497
so it's probably a few platforms.

716
01:05:01,917 --> 01:05:02,397
Yeah, yeah.

717
01:05:02,857 --> 01:05:04,917
People like to tell on themselves for sure.

718
01:05:04,917 --> 01:05:17,197
I mean, it's just, it's been, it's just been interesting to see over time people kind of reveal themselves.

719
01:05:17,617 --> 01:05:25,897
And I think the fun thing about the Bugle is like our agenda is just to report the news.

720
01:05:27,137 --> 01:05:32,577
And people are kind of baffled by that oftentimes.

721
01:05:32,577 --> 01:05:41,377
hives they're trying to they're constantly trying to figure out what our ulterior motive is uh

722
01:05:41,377 --> 01:05:49,457
and people get mad at us you know and the people that get mad at us are you know it's funny uh

723
01:05:49,457 --> 01:05:56,377
it's just it's you know the the entire ecosystem that we exist in

724
01:05:56,377 --> 01:06:05,797
is the conversation is predominantly driven by people with an agenda to sell a trinket to a pleb

725
01:06:05,797 --> 01:06:15,657
and uh it makes it confusing but yeah the the trinket salesmen oftentimes they they get a little

726
01:06:15,657 --> 01:06:22,777
bit frustrated with us and it's uh i wish they would uh send me angry emails long drawn out

727
01:06:22,777 --> 01:06:26,817
emails but i i haven't really got it the only person i've gotten that from was safety in one

728
01:06:26,817 --> 01:06:35,637
time uh what what is your email so people know uh where to send their hate mail because i know

729
01:06:35,637 --> 01:06:41,657
you you said this when we the last time we were potting together and you were like i wish i just

730
01:06:41,657 --> 01:06:47,637
i just want people to take the time to send me like a just some real quality hate mail not

731
01:06:47,637 --> 01:06:52,097
plebs top hate mail like real quality so where should people direct their hate mail if they

732
01:06:52,097 --> 01:06:56,617
really just if if it's non-slop hate mail like really put some time into it people if you're

733
01:06:56,617 --> 01:07:01,137
if you're gonna you know tell dick how you feel like don't don't and don't you use ai because dick

734
01:07:01,137 --> 01:07:09,697
will know you know uh the bitcoin bugle at protonmail.com it's the place to send it there we

735
01:07:09,697 --> 01:07:15,277
go yeah i mean one thing i want to talk about like one of the things i like about both you guys is

736
01:07:15,277 --> 01:07:21,777
you both are living out compelling stories and you share bits of it pieces of it which i think is uh

737
01:07:21,777 --> 01:07:27,797
is helpful it's helpful for people to see examples like walker you're building a family

738
01:07:27,797 --> 01:07:32,657
you're a bitcoin podcaster you're an active participant in your life

739
01:07:32,657 --> 01:07:39,557
you got your you know your wife is also an active participant uh it's cool to watch

740
01:07:39,557 --> 01:07:47,297
and you know ben you're building a business like furthering a family family legacy

741
01:07:47,297 --> 01:07:55,277
you know with your dad um you you care about your craft one of the things i love about the

742
01:07:55,277 --> 01:08:00,337
way that you market things is like you're telling the story of the wine

743
01:08:00,337 --> 01:08:08,317
like local colorado small town multi-generational project

744
01:08:08,317 --> 01:08:17,097
like you know both of those things both of you guys are living into you know this idea of being

745
01:08:17,097 --> 01:08:23,217
an active participant and telling a compelling story and you're you know for for people to see

746
01:08:23,217 --> 01:08:30,397
like you're being legitimate examples in a world that's so full of poor examples and um

747
01:08:30,397 --> 01:08:35,517
i don't think that's slop and like i appreciate that

748
01:08:35,517 --> 01:08:44,717
yeah i i have a question for you yeah thank you i appreciate it oh go ahead ben um it where's your

749
01:08:44,717 --> 01:08:48,237
What's your stack hodler slot?

750
01:08:50,237 --> 01:08:52,377
I don't know what stack hodler is.

751
01:08:53,237 --> 01:08:53,797
Damn.

752
01:08:54,497 --> 01:08:54,877
Okay.

753
01:08:55,697 --> 01:08:56,677
Walker, what do you think?

754
01:08:58,857 --> 01:09:05,097
I, I, I find, I find his, like, I enjoy his posts.

755
01:09:05,177 --> 01:09:09,037
I will say, and like, I've reached out to him before being like, hey, like,

756
01:09:09,417 --> 01:09:14,436
because he, he tends to cut through a lot of the, the bullshit sentiment.

757
01:09:14,717 --> 01:09:24,297
At times, recently I've noticed, and Stack, if you're listening to this, I mean this with the utmost respect, I've noticed a little bit of a twinge of slop in there.

758
01:09:24,497 --> 01:09:34,977
It feels a little bit less pure than what it used to be, which I think was really honestly pure signal and cutting through the rest of the slop.

759
01:09:35,057 --> 01:09:37,177
It was the signal amidst the noise of slop.

760
01:09:38,077 --> 01:09:40,697
Now, I don't know if it's just a sign of the times.

761
01:09:40,757 --> 01:09:41,517
I don't know what it is.

762
01:09:41,517 --> 01:09:49,817
but I like I like I don't know personally I generally like his posts uh both like you know

763
01:09:49,817 --> 01:09:52,657
liking them like hey that's nice and also like you know smashing that like button

764
01:09:52,657 --> 01:09:59,037
but yeah that's a fine line I would say that that would be just sometimes just on the verge

765
01:09:59,037 --> 01:10:05,357
I don't think that's full-blown pleb slop like I think that we have so many other clear examples

766
01:10:05,357 --> 01:10:10,377
of like really, I mean, like pure bread plebslop,

767
01:10:10,577 --> 01:10:15,877
that it feels almost unfair to categorize that as plebslop.

768
01:10:15,977 --> 01:10:17,357
I don't know where you're at with that, Ben.

769
01:10:18,077 --> 01:10:21,277
Well, I would say the worst thing you could say about it

770
01:10:21,277 --> 01:10:24,877
is it's the thing that's going to wean you off plebslop.

771
01:10:25,597 --> 01:10:25,877
Yeah.

772
01:10:26,337 --> 01:10:27,397
It's like methadone.

773
01:10:28,936 --> 01:10:30,436
Exactly, exactly.

774
01:10:31,277 --> 01:10:32,137
No, like that's the thing.

775
01:10:32,137 --> 01:10:37,537
Like at least, at least it's, uh, it's well thought out. It's a, it's original. It's not,

776
01:10:37,597 --> 01:10:42,857
cause that's the thing so much, uh, pleb slop is just formulaic, right? It's easily like,

777
01:10:42,857 --> 01:10:49,997
that's, that's the whole point of it. It's like, it's just, and at least I feel like

778
01:10:49,997 --> 01:10:56,917
when I was getting into Bitcoin, you know, back in my day, uh, during the depths of,

779
01:10:56,917 --> 01:10:58,837
of COVID insanity.

780
01:10:59,936 --> 01:11:03,657
I feel like this slop was somehow,

781
01:11:03,997 --> 01:11:04,177
I mean,

782
01:11:04,177 --> 01:11:05,177
maybe everybody says this.

783
01:11:05,257 --> 01:11:05,577
Everybody said,

784
01:11:05,637 --> 01:11:05,737
you know,

785
01:11:05,737 --> 01:11:06,417
back in my day,

786
01:11:06,436 --> 01:11:07,697
we had real pleb slop,

787
01:11:07,817 --> 01:11:07,977
you know,

788
01:11:07,977 --> 01:11:08,477
not this,

789
01:11:08,537 --> 01:11:08,777
you know,

790
01:11:09,037 --> 01:11:09,337
you know,

791
01:11:09,757 --> 01:11:11,337
whatever generic version,

792
01:11:11,457 --> 01:11:12,817
Walmart brand pleb slop.

793
01:11:13,337 --> 01:11:15,237
It just felt like the pleb slop was better,

794
01:11:15,697 --> 01:11:16,077
you know?

795
01:11:16,157 --> 01:11:16,637
And maybe,

796
01:11:16,797 --> 01:11:17,077
again,

797
01:11:17,157 --> 01:11:18,297
maybe everybody says that,

798
01:11:18,777 --> 01:11:21,377
but now it's just like,

799
01:11:21,417 --> 01:11:21,957
and again,

800
01:11:21,957 --> 01:11:23,617
the vibes have just been weird.

801
01:11:24,037 --> 01:11:26,897
Like it's just been weird that we've got this co-host,

802
01:11:26,917 --> 01:11:34,097
of people who are definitely not comprised of a lot of bots and feds they're all actual people

803
01:11:34,097 --> 01:11:41,837
who just happen to hold really tenuous grips on reality i think which is honestly more sad

804
01:11:41,837 --> 01:11:47,237
but i respect their right to believe whatever they want and to believe in the efficacy of

805
01:11:47,237 --> 01:11:55,477
whatever they want um i support their right to identify as a silent k but it's just so like

806
01:11:55,477 --> 01:12:04,197
low grade like it's just like really like yeah i don't know like uh just rough just like it's

807
01:12:04,197 --> 01:12:08,377
really rough slop it's like you wouldn't even feed this slop to pigs i wouldn't even feed it

808
01:12:08,377 --> 01:12:14,217
to the eastern european lex friedman dressed plebslot pig that i have in this thumbnail you

809
01:12:14,217 --> 01:12:19,137
know because the pig would turn up his nose at this slop like it's just like but somehow it's

810
01:12:19,137 --> 01:12:23,897
working like somehow it's like it's convincing people that that this is this is the righteous

811
01:12:23,897 --> 01:12:29,277
path. And that's, what's crazy to me. It's like, have we fallen so far that we are convinced,

812
01:12:29,277 --> 01:12:34,297
you know, that we are made to believe we are on the cause of the righteous and the just,

813
01:12:34,297 --> 01:12:40,577
uh, and you know, the, the, the true that we're on the mission with this low quality of slop,

814
01:12:40,637 --> 01:12:48,377
like not many things make me lose hope, but boy, that, that is, uh, that that's one of them that

815
01:12:48,377 --> 01:12:53,417
starts to get me there. It's like, boy, you know, what's that, what's that thing? It's like,

816
01:12:53,417 --> 01:12:57,117
Like, I care not for your booze.

817
01:12:57,237 --> 01:12:58,617
Like, I've seen what makes you cheer.

818
01:12:59,057 --> 01:13:00,197
That thing, you know?

819
01:13:00,397 --> 01:13:01,217
It's kind of like that.

820
01:13:01,577 --> 01:13:04,677
Like, man, just low grade.

821
01:13:04,897 --> 01:13:05,737
Like, do better.

822
01:13:05,837 --> 01:13:08,597
If you're going to slop, at least do better.

823
01:13:08,897 --> 01:13:10,977
Like, at least put in some effort to your slop.

824
01:13:11,417 --> 01:13:14,737
Stop with your overly wordy memes that aren't funny at all.

825
01:13:15,037 --> 01:13:19,637
Like, if your memes aren't funny, you're probably on the wrong side of things, generally.

826
01:13:19,637 --> 01:13:21,697
For me, that's always a good barometer.

827
01:13:21,697 --> 01:13:26,237
It's like if your memes suck, it generally means you don't have the truth on your side.

828
01:13:26,317 --> 01:13:34,197
If you have to have too many words in your memes, it probably means, well, one, it's obviously not funny because like you shouldn't need very many words, right?

829
01:13:34,757 --> 01:13:38,117
Unless it's like a meta meme where that's like the whole point sidebar.

830
01:13:38,537 --> 01:13:43,537
But like if your memes suck, you're probably not on the quote right side.

831
01:13:43,557 --> 01:13:48,417
But also even dividing it into sides, it's like it's creating a false dichotomy right there.

832
01:13:48,417 --> 01:13:53,337
Like the whole sides thing, like us versus them within this Bitcoiner space is already slop.

833
01:13:53,497 --> 01:13:54,797
Like that's already slop.

834
01:13:54,877 --> 01:13:55,757
So here I go.

835
01:13:56,237 --> 01:14:01,077
And, you know, and now who am I to say, like, here I am falling into slop traps by doing an us versus them.

836
01:14:01,077 --> 01:14:02,337
Because it isn't an us versus them.

837
01:14:02,377 --> 01:14:05,317
If you have the same consensus rules as me, we're Bitcoiners.

838
01:14:05,617 --> 01:14:10,017
And if you don't, okay, you can feel free to fork right off.

839
01:14:10,157 --> 01:14:12,457
And I also just don't care what you do.

840
01:14:12,517 --> 01:14:14,277
I'm just saying, like, do whatever you want.

841
01:14:14,597 --> 01:14:15,436
I don't fucking care.

842
01:14:15,997 --> 01:14:17,657
Just have better memes at least.

843
01:14:17,657 --> 01:14:22,177
have a little bit of integrity with your memes, put in a little bit more thought. And if you can't

844
01:14:22,177 --> 01:14:28,957
make your memes good, then maybe you just need to reevaluate your position. Because like the memes

845
01:14:28,957 --> 01:14:34,617
are essentially a way to distill truth into easily digestible, easily spreadable formats. That's what

846
01:14:34,617 --> 01:14:39,117
a meme is. That's why everyone says the left can't meme. And it's true. Like the left's memes

847
01:14:39,117 --> 01:14:44,797
generally just suck because they don't have truth on their side. Like communists can't meme.

848
01:14:44,797 --> 01:14:49,457
they can't like you ever seen a communist that could mean have you ever seen a good communist

849
01:14:49,457 --> 01:14:55,457
meme it's not possible actually you can't have a good communist meme because communism is fucking

850
01:14:55,457 --> 01:15:02,497
retarded like you just you can't do it you can't do it and so it's like if your memes suck then then

851
01:15:02,497 --> 01:15:08,957
like look in the mirror you know you need to listen to like uh jimmy door the come town podcast

852
01:15:08,957 --> 01:15:10,957
There's some communists that are pretty good.

853
01:15:12,477 --> 01:15:12,857
Okay.

854
01:15:13,177 --> 01:15:14,577
They're fully retarded.

855
01:15:14,697 --> 01:15:16,097
They start talking about anything.

856
01:15:16,857 --> 01:15:18,637
Their memes are good, but then they start talking,

857
01:15:18,997 --> 01:15:21,057
like trying to explain their memes,

858
01:15:21,137 --> 01:15:22,697
and they're just, they kind of get retarded.

859
01:15:22,837 --> 01:15:24,777
But yeah, there's some good leftist memers.

860
01:15:24,917 --> 01:15:27,457
But yeah, I get what you're saying, broadly speaking.

861
01:15:27,837 --> 01:15:28,697
Yeah, okay.

862
01:15:28,837 --> 01:15:31,417
We can find exceptions to a rule,

863
01:15:31,417 --> 01:15:34,617
but broadly speaking, the left can't meme.

864
01:15:35,217 --> 01:15:37,997
And it's not even that the right can meme that well,

865
01:15:37,997 --> 01:15:40,757
but they just certainly are better at it.

866
01:15:40,857 --> 01:15:42,397
Like not so much like the,

867
01:15:42,397 --> 01:15:44,017
the statist cuck,

868
01:15:44,097 --> 01:15:44,317
right.

869
01:15:44,517 --> 01:15:45,797
But more of like the,

870
01:15:45,997 --> 01:15:46,217
I don't know,

871
01:15:46,237 --> 01:15:47,417
whatever you want to call them,

872
01:15:47,457 --> 01:15:47,617
you know,

873
01:15:47,637 --> 01:15:48,757
whatever label you put on them,

874
01:15:48,757 --> 01:15:51,377
like the less statist D right.

875
01:15:51,517 --> 01:15:51,877
Like,

876
01:15:51,896 --> 01:15:52,677
cause that's the thing is like,

877
01:15:52,697 --> 01:15:53,617
it's ultimately like it's,

878
01:15:53,617 --> 01:15:54,857
it's status all the way down,

879
01:15:54,917 --> 01:15:55,857
whether it's left or right.

880
01:15:55,997 --> 01:15:56,197
Right.

881
01:15:56,197 --> 01:15:59,837
Like that's where we've gotten to now is that basically everybody is just a

882
01:15:59,837 --> 01:16:00,737
bit of a statist cuck.

883
01:16:00,777 --> 01:16:03,737
And it's just like what color statist cuck you want to be like,

884
01:16:03,757 --> 01:16:05,857
you want to be a red status cuck or a blue status cuck.

885
01:16:05,857 --> 01:16:07,857
Like you get to choose Coca-Cola or Pepsi Cola.

886
01:16:07,997 --> 01:16:13,396
like it's it's up to you no mountain dew cuckery though none of that certainly not any dr pepper

887
01:16:13,396 --> 01:16:18,457
cuckery oh i didn't even mean to bring up dr pepper but you know because we all know what

888
01:16:18,457 --> 01:16:28,797
that means here yeah i so the left versus right like attempt to to put people on these sides

889
01:16:28,797 --> 01:16:36,517
i consider that like fighting words like some got someone walks up to the bar whispers in your

890
01:16:36,517 --> 01:16:44,037
i fucked i'm ready i'm gonna fuck your wife tonight you know you turn around you're like

891
01:16:44,037 --> 01:16:50,577
okay loser um and then they just keep on like spitting in your face and like getting up in it

892
01:16:50,577 --> 01:16:55,737
and just like being really aggressive i feel like that's what the left and right attempt to like

893
01:16:55,737 --> 01:17:01,377
categorize people in the left and right it's very you know insulting it's like it's just it's

894
01:17:01,377 --> 01:17:09,337
it's lame like it's very lame like hey we're watching you know the people on the right and

895
01:17:09,337 --> 01:17:16,777
the left you know argue back and forth about absolutely nothing and they just like completely

896
01:17:16,777 --> 01:17:21,957
miss the point of what's going on right now and you're trying to like replicate that

897
01:17:21,957 --> 01:17:30,157
in this ecosystem which is supposed to be about you know thinking about things a little bit more

898
01:17:30,157 --> 01:17:37,577
critically and uh you know pursuing truth it's like yeah you know fuck you dude i'm gonna

899
01:17:37,577 --> 01:17:43,436
i'm not gonna stand for this but um yeah it's uh

900
01:17:44,317 --> 01:17:51,037
it's funny just looking at like the left and the right divide like you're watching the right wing

901
01:17:51,037 --> 01:17:59,077
media ecosystem like there was this huge kind of uh i don't know what you call it but like

902
01:17:59,077 --> 01:18:03,837
you know movement and it all kind of culminated with trump or ended with trump getting uh

903
01:18:03,837 --> 01:18:08,077
selected and then charlie kirk getting assassinated and now it's in shambles

904
01:18:08,077 --> 01:18:16,797
but there's like an interesting dynamic in the in the narrative in the united states i imagine this

905
01:18:16,797 --> 01:18:21,936
is globally but i think it's mostly in the united states is this idea of an underdog story like this

906
01:18:21,936 --> 01:18:28,597
resistance story like the origin story of the united states with the revolutionary war against

907
01:18:28,597 --> 01:18:35,477
the british is this idea of like these underdogs going up against the biggest uh you know empire

908
01:18:35,477 --> 01:18:40,097
in the world and they they replicate this in the political process every four years

909
01:18:40,097 --> 01:18:47,877
where and you see this oscillation back and forth between the right and the left or the right will

910
01:18:47,877 --> 01:18:54,537
be the you know the incumbents and represent the the empire and the left will be the resistance

911
01:18:54,537 --> 01:19:00,537
against that like the george bush years you know with obama coming against it you know being anti-war

912
01:19:00,537 --> 01:19:05,537
it oscillates back and forth and you know back and forth and back and forth

913
01:19:05,537 --> 01:19:13,257
and captivates people in it thinking that they're like a part of the the resistance and like the

914
01:19:13,257 --> 01:19:17,257
right has completely fallen off right now because they're the incumbents like guess what

915
01:19:17,257 --> 01:19:21,917
all you guys that bought into this bullshit probably voted for a pedophile

916
01:19:21,917 --> 01:19:29,657
who's like gaslighting you about the epstein list and uh you know printing a fuck ton of money and

917
01:19:29,657 --> 01:19:35,357
launching a slot of meme coins and you know implementing a bunch of central uh planning

918
01:19:35,357 --> 01:19:45,997
bullshit and in furthering the survey doing all the same bullshit um but maybe he doesn't like

919
01:19:45,997 --> 01:19:50,297
transgender bathrooms so it's a little bit better than the other guy but like um

920
01:19:50,297 --> 01:19:59,217
this oscillation you know back and forth and kind of the the hijacking of this narrative of like

921
01:19:59,217 --> 01:20:06,377
you know the the underdog resistance is like you know people in the united states need to realize

922
01:20:06,377 --> 01:20:11,237
that they live in the capital city of the hunger games the capital district

923
01:20:11,237 --> 01:20:18,757
district number one you're not the underdog you're living in a country whose government is

924
01:20:18,757 --> 01:20:21,137
going and pillaging the rest of the world

925
01:20:21,137 --> 01:20:24,677
Trump's like

926
01:20:24,677 --> 01:20:26,936
you know angling like he's going to

927
01:20:26,936 --> 01:20:28,957
invade Venezuela who knows what's going to happen

928
01:20:28,957 --> 01:20:31,077
there but like that's not the underdog

929
01:20:31,077 --> 01:20:32,557
type situation

930
01:20:32,557 --> 01:20:33,737
at all

931
01:20:33,737 --> 01:20:35,757
and

932
01:20:35,757 --> 01:20:39,157
you know who's the underdog in the story

933
01:20:39,157 --> 01:20:40,617
is the individual

934
01:20:40,617 --> 01:20:42,317
standing up against

935
01:20:42,317 --> 01:20:45,037
the system which is trying to extract

936
01:20:45,037 --> 01:20:46,837
wealth from you like that's the real

937
01:20:46,837 --> 01:20:48,057
underdog and you don't

938
01:20:48,057 --> 01:20:54,797
You don't, by participating in the system and giving legitimacy to it,

939
01:20:54,857 --> 01:20:59,677
you're actually giving legitimacy to the empire and not the underdog in the story.

940
01:21:00,217 --> 01:21:01,577
In no way are you rebelling.

941
01:21:01,577 --> 01:21:03,717
If the left's in power and you're on the right,

942
01:21:04,757 --> 01:21:06,957
you're trying to get your pedophile elected,

943
01:21:07,377 --> 01:21:11,477
you're not the underdog.

944
01:21:11,677 --> 01:21:15,077
You're just being duped by plebslot, by political plebslot.

945
01:21:16,097 --> 01:21:17,237
And same thing goes for the left.

946
01:21:17,237 --> 01:21:21,757
the people on the left are getting a wild right now and i think their memes are going to be

947
01:21:21,757 --> 01:21:27,477
a lot better because the right's just going to be trying to gaslight you this you know for the

948
01:21:27,477 --> 01:21:33,797
next few years into why the the incumbent that's doing all this bullshit is like legitimate and

949
01:21:33,797 --> 01:21:42,297
good well at least it's not the democrats it's like and these guys are trying to bring this type of

950
01:21:42,297 --> 01:21:52,637
stuff to um this you know social ecosystem is lame

951
01:21:52,637 --> 01:22:02,577
you know okay first of all uh dick you're just you're bringing the heat tonight i gotta say

952
01:22:02,577 --> 01:22:10,637
uh second of all i think political slop is like quite possibly the worst type of slop

953
01:22:10,637 --> 01:22:13,977
because it's just the most disingenuous.

954
01:22:14,457 --> 01:22:16,417
Because the ultimate goal of that slop,

955
01:22:16,577 --> 01:22:18,757
at least the ultimate goal, hopefully,

956
01:22:19,417 --> 01:22:22,157
of most, hopefully, Bitcoin pleb slop

957
01:22:22,157 --> 01:22:26,177
is to get more people onboarded into Bitcoin.

958
01:22:26,377 --> 01:22:28,017
That's at least a righteous goal.

959
01:22:28,436 --> 01:22:29,597
That's a noble pursuit.

960
01:22:30,537 --> 01:22:32,757
And I think the ends justify the means in that case.

961
01:22:32,857 --> 01:22:33,936
And I'm talking specifically,

962
01:22:34,137 --> 01:22:35,637
I'm not talking about all the Bitcoin pleb slop

963
01:22:35,637 --> 01:22:36,737
that's out there right now, obviously.

964
01:22:37,497 --> 01:22:39,057
I'm not talking about Silent K pleb slop.

965
01:22:39,057 --> 01:22:46,497
I'm talking about orange pilling pleb slop right that's at least noble political pleb slop it's

966
01:22:46,497 --> 01:22:54,037
like you're just slopping to try and convince people to vote for your side because like that

967
01:22:54,037 --> 01:23:00,077
like is just the different side of like the same coin ultimately it's just like oh okay like who's

968
01:23:00,077 --> 01:23:04,677
gonna steal more from me who's gonna grow the government a little bit less or a little bit more

969
01:23:04,677 --> 01:23:06,917
depending on what I like because they're both growing the government like it doesn't matter

970
01:23:06,917 --> 01:23:09,757
Who's going to print like a little bit more or a little bit less money?

971
01:23:09,797 --> 01:23:10,977
Who's going to give me more free shit?

972
01:23:11,197 --> 01:23:12,797
Who's going to send me another stimmy check?

973
01:23:13,037 --> 01:23:26,773
Who going to forgive my student loans Like who who give me more free shit It like the mean you know like you know put it there It like who going to give me more shit That ultimately what political slop is catering towards

974
01:23:27,534 --> 01:23:30,434
And it's just ultimately, like, it's just kind of gross.

975
01:23:30,574 --> 01:23:31,773
And something you were saying, though, Dick,

976
01:23:32,354 --> 01:23:33,293
it made me think, because I was saying,

977
01:23:33,414 --> 01:23:35,054
I made the statement, you know, the left can't meme.

978
01:23:35,273 --> 01:23:37,253
And that's obviously right-wing pleb slop also.

979
01:23:37,474 --> 01:23:39,253
Like, just that statement inherent.

980
01:23:39,253 --> 01:23:41,273
Like, if we look at the meta slop.

981
01:23:41,273 --> 01:23:48,214
but I think what you were just saying that made me think of this is the reason that we the perception

982
01:23:48,214 --> 01:23:54,014
has correctly been that the left cannot meme is because at least for uh for a while the left was

983
01:23:54,014 --> 01:24:01,293
the incumbent right and be if you are the incumbent your memes are going to be just not quite as good

984
01:24:01,293 --> 01:24:08,474
right if like if you're the underdog you have the ability to create a better memetic narrative I

985
01:24:08,474 --> 01:24:15,454
think like just necessarily so and so maybe that's it it's like you know because boy like there's a

986
01:24:15,454 --> 01:24:20,333
lot of fodder for for memes for the left right now if they want to if they if they if they're

987
01:24:20,333 --> 01:24:25,514
paying attention the left has the capability they've got all the tools to be able to to do

988
01:24:25,514 --> 01:24:30,434
some pretty good memeing like trump makes that easy in a lot of ways right and trump is like

989
01:24:30,434 --> 01:24:36,974
also this kind of like really just incredible memetic force of his own right and it's it's

990
01:24:36,974 --> 01:24:38,614
Honestly, like it's insane to see.

991
01:24:38,734 --> 01:24:42,894
The dude is like love him or hate him or don't give a flying fuck.

992
01:24:43,414 --> 01:24:48,873
Like he is a unique individual and has a very unique energy about him.

993
01:24:49,474 --> 01:24:52,494
And boy, he's good at the pleb slop, man.

994
01:24:52,814 --> 01:24:55,333
Like Trump is a master of pleb slop.

995
01:24:55,514 --> 01:24:58,214
That I think like you, no one can deny that.

996
01:24:58,214 --> 01:24:58,474
Right.

997
01:24:58,814 --> 01:25:04,154
And there's some truth behind a lot of his slop, but a lot of it is just like, it is just complete slop.

998
01:25:04,154 --> 01:25:07,614
but there's the arguments to justify sending out $2,000 stimmy checks.

999
01:25:07,753 --> 01:25:08,214
That's slop.

1000
01:25:08,634 --> 01:25:11,954
Like the fact that he was talking about it while talking about 50 year

1001
01:25:11,954 --> 01:25:16,333
mortgages at the McDonald's conference is just like mimetically beautiful

1002
01:25:16,333 --> 01:25:17,594
somehow unintentionally.

1003
01:25:17,714 --> 01:25:17,854
So,

1004
01:25:17,954 --> 01:25:20,234
but really mimetically beautiful as Bitcoin's crashing.

1005
01:25:20,333 --> 01:25:21,534
Like there's so many layers to that.

1006
01:25:21,614 --> 01:25:22,333
It's incredible,

1007
01:25:22,333 --> 01:25:25,894
but there's like Trump is a,

1008
01:25:25,894 --> 01:25:27,394
he's a slop pusher.

1009
01:25:27,394 --> 01:25:27,833
You know,

1010
01:25:27,873 --> 01:25:30,474
every politician must be like,

1011
01:25:30,554 --> 01:25:31,194
that's how they,

1012
01:25:31,333 --> 01:25:31,454
you know,

1013
01:25:31,773 --> 01:25:32,734
maybe Thomas Matt,

1014
01:25:32,734 --> 01:25:38,174
I would say Thomas Massey is probably the least slop pusher

1015
01:25:38,174 --> 01:25:40,253
of the politicians that we have in the U.S. right now.

1016
01:25:40,314 --> 01:25:41,594
I don't know where you guys are at with him.

1017
01:25:42,034 --> 01:25:46,833
But to me, he at least feels like, again, if he is engaging in slop,

1018
01:25:47,314 --> 01:25:48,934
it's at least a little more justified.

1019
01:25:49,114 --> 01:25:50,773
At least he's not just, you know,

1020
01:25:50,934 --> 01:25:53,773
kowtowing and voting with whatever the party line is.

1021
01:25:53,914 --> 01:25:55,914
At least he has some balls to be able to say,

1022
01:25:56,014 --> 01:25:57,253
no, I think that's fucking stupid.

1023
01:25:57,734 --> 01:26:00,494
Because that's what, like, if you can't do that,

1024
01:26:00,494 --> 01:26:02,014
if you can't just step back and say, like,

1025
01:26:02,014 --> 01:26:10,134
my side is doing something that's fucking stupid then it's like well your opinion is just it's not

1026
01:26:10,134 --> 01:26:14,273
actually real you don't you don't actually have an opinion you just have a party line and you're

1027
01:26:14,273 --> 01:26:19,234
not willing to to cross it because you've been duped into thinking that i cannot possibly say

1028
01:26:19,234 --> 01:26:24,154
anything bad about insert my team color like can't say anything bad about red team can't say

1029
01:26:24,154 --> 01:26:29,034
anything about blue team because i'm on that team those that can when they're perceived like if you

1030
01:26:29,034 --> 01:26:32,414
can say bad things about red team when you're perceived as being on the red team if you can say

1031
01:26:32,414 --> 01:26:35,333
bad things about blue team when they do stupid stuff when you're perceived as being in the blue

1032
01:26:35,333 --> 01:26:40,134
team i'll at least have a little bit of respect for you because i know that you're at least trying

1033
01:26:40,134 --> 01:26:46,273
to tell the truth and you're not just kind of willfully going along with the party line of

1034
01:26:46,273 --> 01:26:55,034
whatever the pleb slop du jour happens to be so ben you're awfully quiet you might need some more

1035
01:26:55,034 --> 01:27:00,314
you might need some more peony lane wine apparently i've been pounding it peony lane wine

1036
01:27:00,314 --> 01:27:05,594
peony lane wine it will make you less pleb sloppy but it'll make you a little more sloppy

1037
01:27:05,594 --> 01:27:14,694
yeah uh i'm still working so i pretty much you're killing it dude um so i i want to

1038
01:27:14,694 --> 01:27:20,494
unfortunately like i pretty much always go the positive route but where this is bringing me is

1039
01:27:20,494 --> 01:27:25,654
a little bit of a downer in terms of like the discourse across slop lines.

1040
01:27:26,793 --> 01:27:32,594
And so I had a post blow up on threads last week.

1041
01:27:33,514 --> 01:27:36,994
And it's never happened to me before, but I pushed the right button

1042
01:27:36,994 --> 01:27:38,534
and I talked shit about socialism.

1043
01:27:39,594 --> 01:27:45,534
And the slop I received in response for that was insane.

1044
01:27:45,534 --> 01:27:54,194
and the memes were horrible and everything sounded like a bot like every post that was long was just

1045
01:27:54,194 --> 01:27:59,434
like frustrated like what what are you even talking about it was the same thing over and

1046
01:27:59,434 --> 01:28:08,094
over the same people saying the same stuff and um unfortunately it made me think about the times

1047
01:28:08,094 --> 01:28:15,034
where like i've said something jokingly anti-bitcoin that people didn't you know people who didn't know

1048
01:28:15,034 --> 01:28:20,994
me saw it and didn't know I was joking or something like that. And I got the same kind

1049
01:28:20,994 --> 01:28:27,614
of responses from Bitcoiners, um, very sloppy responses that were all repeating the same

1050
01:28:27,614 --> 01:28:35,694
thing, all like not getting it just disconnected. And, you know, part of that's just, it's social

1051
01:28:35,694 --> 01:28:39,454
media. I don't have time to know who you are. I don't have time to hear you out. I'm just

1052
01:28:39,454 --> 01:28:47,733
going to respond quickly and um but like commenting have fun staying poor or you get it at the price

1053
01:28:47,733 --> 01:28:53,954
you deserve or like all the the common bitcoin slop phrases it just it just doesn't get anywhere

1054
01:28:53,954 --> 01:29:00,793
because like i i feel like the people who receive those comments hear those things in the exact same

1055
01:29:00,793 --> 01:29:06,894
way that i was hearing these pro-communist comments of just like that's total bullshit

1056
01:29:06,894 --> 01:29:14,394
and stupid and not like I've looked into this as much as I need to and don't need to take your

1057
01:29:14,394 --> 01:29:19,454
opinion seriously because you're some random person online and it's it's unfortunate because

1058
01:29:19,454 --> 01:29:25,354
taken to the extreme is what most of us are seeing is in terms of the political slop and

1059
01:29:25,354 --> 01:29:30,074
like the downstream effects of that are people getting sucked into the political slop and

1060
01:29:30,074 --> 01:29:35,974
posting on social media that if you voted for Trump I'm not friends with you anymore I don't

1061
01:29:35,974 --> 01:29:43,154
want to associate with you anymore. And coming from a place where, you know, most of my friends

1062
01:29:43,154 --> 01:29:48,293
throughout my entire life and me throughout my entire life voted Democrat and the socialist

1063
01:29:48,293 --> 01:29:56,333
Democrat, you know, it's harmful to relationships because those conversations are difficult to have

1064
01:29:56,333 --> 01:30:04,534
because people are so sucked into slop and not willing to go deeper than that. And these triggers

1065
01:30:04,534 --> 01:30:10,333
are like somehow ingrained in our minds that you need to get triggered on these certain statements

1066
01:30:10,333 --> 01:30:17,094
and you i don't know how they do it man the cia or whoever this is is incredible at what they do

1067
01:30:17,094 --> 01:30:24,674
um because it's working and it's dividing us and it's frustrating and it's really fun

1068
01:30:24,674 --> 01:30:29,354
to pick a team in a duopoly it just sucks when that really matters like i am

1069
01:30:29,354 --> 01:30:37,273
hardcore coke dude fuck pepsi but that doesn't matter you know i'll probably drink a pepsi if

1070
01:30:37,273 --> 01:30:44,014
someone offers me a pepsi and coke but when it comes to politics and like it sucks to see the

1071
01:30:44,014 --> 01:30:49,434
division in america and listening to you guys like i pretty much i don't even know what silent k

1072
01:30:49,434 --> 01:30:53,333
beats like i have no idea i mean i have an idea what you guys are talking about but i've never

1073
01:30:53,333 --> 01:31:01,574
heard that before and you guys are so much more deep into the the world of the the knots first

1074
01:31:01,574 --> 01:31:08,314
core movement and walker like i've heard you talk about it and i've i've seen you talk about it and

1075
01:31:08,314 --> 01:31:15,634
um i'm like damn i just have no interest in it one i'm it's just not something i'm interested in

1076
01:31:15,634 --> 01:31:22,293
um and i'm just like i'm just trying to be me online um well so like i don't care to take a

1077
01:31:22,293 --> 01:31:28,054
stand on that um and i'm like damn you going for it you're gonna you're gonna take that the brunt

1078
01:31:28,054 --> 01:31:35,314
of that shit i've seen it i know it's i know and then uh dick i'm like you have such a great time

1079
01:31:35,314 --> 01:31:41,114
with it and you've leaned into it and you've also seen all the shit uh but i think people approach

1080
01:31:41,114 --> 01:31:48,994
you differently in how they respond to you on that uh but you've also fucking attacked and made

1081
01:31:48,994 --> 01:31:56,594
some enemies. It's been hilarious. Like having, like I've never watched Matt Crater's show.

1082
01:31:58,034 --> 01:32:04,614
I just don't watch YouTube Bitcoin content personally. And, but he shouted me out a number

1083
01:32:04,614 --> 01:32:09,654
of times and I appreciate that. And I've watched those to see what's up and it seems like a great

1084
01:32:09,654 --> 01:32:15,454
guy. I've never met him. But just like having that context of like, this seems like a nice dude.

1085
01:32:15,454 --> 01:32:18,854
And then like knowing Dick, I'm like, this is a great dude.

1086
01:32:18,934 --> 01:32:19,694
Like very thoughtful.

1087
01:32:20,014 --> 01:32:23,214
And seeing these, it's wild, man.

1088
01:32:23,574 --> 01:32:25,114
Things are so heated up.

1089
01:32:25,293 --> 01:32:30,134
And it's all these like people that I know that are so great in so many other contexts

1090
01:32:30,134 --> 01:32:32,773
and are riled up into this us versus them mentality.

1091
01:32:33,494 --> 01:32:35,534
It's hard to watch.

1092
01:32:35,934 --> 01:32:39,114
And I think that that's why I've kind of muted it out.

1093
01:32:39,214 --> 01:32:44,394
It's also just like, I feel like I formed an ambivalent opinion about it pretty early.

1094
01:32:44,394 --> 01:32:48,394
and was surprised that it's still going on, honestly.

1095
01:32:48,894 --> 01:32:51,574
Now I kind of get why, I guess.

1096
01:32:51,574 --> 01:32:55,793
But for a little bit, I was like, damn, they're still talking about that.

1097
01:32:56,494 --> 01:33:01,074
So I applaud you guys for being vocal about your opinions in public.

1098
01:33:01,833 --> 01:33:08,134
And I guess this is my coming out party to the few people watching that.

1099
01:33:08,494 --> 01:33:10,494
I don't care. I'm good.

1100
01:33:10,494 --> 01:33:18,333
um yeah i'm i guess in the in the dick greaser way of saying it he'll be uh

1101
01:33:18,333 --> 01:33:25,194
disappointed in me calling myself a pleb that my opinion does not matter here dude you're you're a

1102
01:33:25,194 --> 01:33:32,514
pioneer you're here but you yeah i mean you could you could definitely uh you anybody has the right

1103
01:33:32,514 --> 01:33:38,194
to say i don't really have a strong opinion on the subject because i just don't know about it

1104
01:33:38,194 --> 01:33:44,694
more people should actually take that stance that that's a reasonable that's a very reasonable

1105
01:33:44,694 --> 01:33:52,914
and and sensible stance to take go ahead dick um like if somebody's gonna ask me about uh

1106
01:33:53,674 --> 01:33:56,194
quantum resistance at bitcoin

1107
01:33:56,194 --> 01:34:01,974
which i've spent no time understanding because it just sounds like a bunch of

1108
01:34:01,974 --> 01:34:07,373
sloth fear slop to me but you know it could be a real issue i just haven't ever prioritized it but

1109
01:34:07,373 --> 01:34:14,214
i just don't really have an opinion on it because i don't know it's just not my my expertise like

1110
01:34:14,214 --> 01:34:20,214
you know most of like the journalism my practice is is engaged in like the the social aspect of

1111
01:34:20,214 --> 01:34:30,714
this stuff um but uh yeah i mean it's uh i'm kind of amazed that you know the reason why this debate

1112
01:34:30,714 --> 01:34:38,174
goes on and i've kind of wondered if um you know this whole movement has just been like an elaborate

1113
01:34:38,174 --> 01:34:41,434
performance art trolling campaign

1114
01:34:41,434 --> 01:34:49,094
whatever's going on there's a lot of sophisticated individuals that are very like knowledgeable at

1115
01:34:49,094 --> 01:34:57,654
manipulating people uh both from like the just like inherent like language and talking but also

1116
01:34:57,654 --> 01:35:04,514
like what you were describing ben is uh there's this game of influencing perception online

1117
01:35:04,514 --> 01:35:11,034
with bots you know and really artificially amplifying stuff and i think there's a lot of

1118
01:35:11,034 --> 01:35:16,454
that you know this is something that was discussed a lot in the block size wars is uh

1119
01:35:16,454 --> 01:35:24,574
there there was a lot of pseudo spoofing happening within the various factions that

1120
01:35:24,574 --> 01:35:29,773
were arguing with each other i don't think it was as clear oversimplification to say small

1121
01:35:29,773 --> 01:35:37,694
blockers versus big blockers and i think it's a oversimplification to uh try and paint it as like

1122
01:35:37,694 --> 01:35:46,654
core versus uh uh ocean and crater but um uh

1123
01:35:46,654 --> 01:35:53,634
yeah i mean it's a it's a i mean the reason why it keeps on going on is because these guys just

1124
01:35:53,634 --> 01:35:58,873
keep on saying stupid things and like all these all these people that are you know somewhat

1125
01:35:58,873 --> 01:36:07,354
informed and intelligent just cannot resist don't get on people like you got a pleb coming out here

1126
01:36:07,354 --> 01:36:11,194
issuing the most retorted purity test based on

1127
01:36:11,194 --> 01:36:21,793
goo goo gaga pleb slop and it's just it's so hard to control yourself you just like i'm just gonna

1128
01:36:21,793 --> 01:36:29,854
just absolutely pulverize you know this guy that that has no self-awareness that that thinks that

1129
01:36:29,854 --> 01:36:40,994
it's like when a child comes from the kids table and hurls a uh handful of mashed potatoes right

1130
01:36:40,994 --> 01:36:51,733
at your face can you resist just slapping him you try to i guess but that's that

1131
01:36:51,733 --> 01:36:55,094
That's slightly different because the kid may not know better.

1132
01:36:55,733 --> 01:36:59,074
But what we're talking about are fucking adults that should.

1133
01:37:00,273 --> 01:37:02,034
Alleged, I mean, alleged adults.

1134
01:37:02,273 --> 01:37:04,414
They could be bots.

1135
01:37:04,934 --> 01:37:07,394
But they're not, and you can't call them bots because you can't possibly.

1136
01:37:08,074 --> 01:37:09,773
That's just super offensive.

1137
01:37:10,154 --> 01:37:11,614
By the way, it's really offensive.

1138
01:37:11,614 --> 01:37:17,174
I want to say, Ben, I think you have actually taken the appropriate stance on this,

1139
01:37:17,233 --> 01:37:19,733
which is you're trying to run a business.

1140
01:37:19,733 --> 01:37:25,054
you are actually walking the walk you are building a business around bitcoin and bitcoiners in the

1141
01:37:25,054 --> 01:37:29,514
bitcoin community for anyone that doesn't know that hasn't seen seen us drink it you built a

1142
01:37:29,514 --> 01:37:35,293
business around peony lane wine you guys should go and order some peony lane wine it's awesome

1143
01:37:35,293 --> 01:37:39,793
ben accepts bitcoin for it he went and started selling it at farmers markets for bitcoin having

1144
01:37:39,793 --> 01:37:44,074
a bitcoin accepted here and then you change it to a bitcoin preferred here sign if i if i remember

1145
01:37:44,074 --> 01:37:48,134
correctly that's like for those of us that have been following your journey i think it's been

1146
01:37:48,134 --> 01:37:52,733
fucking amazing. Like it's been amazing to see because you actually walk the walk and you talk

1147
01:37:52,733 --> 01:37:59,454
the talk and you drink the drink and you wine the wine and you all the other things. This like,

1148
01:37:59,934 --> 01:38:05,634
this is what Bitcoin is all about is enabling somebody like you to do things in a really low

1149
01:38:05,634 --> 01:38:12,434
time preference way to create a really amazing product that people are willing to part like

1150
01:38:12,434 --> 01:38:17,714
creating such a great product that people are willing to part with the scarcest money that has

1151
01:38:17,714 --> 01:38:24,254
ever existed in exchange for that product that means your product is fucking good they're like

1152
01:38:24,254 --> 01:38:28,814
that that that means something and so for you to be like yeah you know i just don't really have an

1153
01:38:28,814 --> 01:38:34,694
opinion on this fucking like fucking great like because you don't need to because this is not

1154
01:38:34,694 --> 01:38:40,094
going to go on forever this is like right now a lot of people have this has turned into an identity

1155
01:38:40,094 --> 01:38:44,714
politics thing that that's what's ultimately happened it's weaponized identity politics

1156
01:38:44,714 --> 01:39:06,494
And it's the same. I think that's why the slop is so particularly bad in this particular arena is because it's ultimately just political slop. It's just dumbed down political slop. And I know a lot of people have, again, made this part of their identity. Like that's what identity politics is so that you can't even hear an opinion contrary to your own without taking it as a personal affront.

1157
01:39:06,494 --> 01:39:08,833
Like this is the definition of identity politics.

1158
01:39:08,994 --> 01:39:11,114
Anyone that's not with us must be against us.

1159
01:39:11,233 --> 01:39:16,494
And they must also hate children and want Bitcoin to be destroyed.

1160
01:39:17,394 --> 01:39:22,914
And what we really need is to be getting daddy government in here to tell us what's okay to do.

1161
01:39:23,074 --> 01:39:35,214
While we have fucking open source software developers like the Samurai Wallet Devs, like Bitcoin Fog, like Tornado Cash, like being literally prosecuted for writing software.

1162
01:39:35,214 --> 01:39:38,114
but you want a little bit more of daddy government to come in there.

1163
01:39:38,454 --> 01:39:40,254
Like, give me a fucking break.

1164
01:39:40,854 --> 01:39:41,974
And so what I want to say is like,

1165
01:39:42,534 --> 01:39:45,474
I applaud you for just fucking focusing on your craft,

1166
01:39:46,214 --> 01:39:48,894
accepting Bitcoin, actually using Bitcoin,

1167
01:39:49,454 --> 01:39:52,154
something a lot of these people who are screeching online probably don't,

1168
01:39:53,154 --> 01:39:55,894
and just fucking living your life because that's what you should be doing.

1169
01:39:55,914 --> 01:39:57,254
That's the whole fucking point of Bitcoin

1170
01:39:57,254 --> 01:40:00,293
is that you can just focus on your craft,

1171
01:40:00,554 --> 01:40:01,694
try to get better at something.

1172
01:40:02,354 --> 01:40:04,614
Try to just get a little bit better at something.

1173
01:40:04,614 --> 01:40:06,894
maybe try to be the best at something if you can be

1174
01:40:06,894 --> 01:40:09,134
try to live your life

1175
01:40:09,134 --> 01:40:10,954
focus on family

1176
01:40:10,954 --> 01:40:12,614
focus on what matters

1177
01:40:12,614 --> 01:40:15,214
focus on spending time outside and touching fucking grass

1178
01:40:15,214 --> 01:40:17,094
and not being a whiny little bitch

1179
01:40:17,094 --> 01:40:17,634
all the time

1180
01:40:17,634 --> 01:40:20,894
and just fucking let this stuff blow over

1181
01:40:20,894 --> 01:40:22,434
like because

1182
01:40:22,434 --> 01:40:24,833
and I'm sorry this is going to offend

1183
01:40:24,833 --> 01:40:25,994
a lot of people but

1184
01:40:25,994 --> 01:40:28,854
like it's not going to amount

1185
01:40:28,854 --> 01:40:29,454
to anything

1186
01:40:29,454 --> 01:40:32,454
do whatever you want I don't care

1187
01:40:32,454 --> 01:40:34,114
I do not care what you do.

1188
01:40:34,193 --> 01:40:36,634
I fully support you doing whatever the fuck you want.

1189
01:40:37,094 --> 01:40:39,214
As long as you're listening to 40 hours

1190
01:40:39,214 --> 01:40:42,674
of Bitcoin podcast per week, we're on the same side.

1191
01:40:43,514 --> 01:40:46,674
Maybe you're listening to more pleb slot podcasts than I am.

1192
01:40:46,854 --> 01:40:50,354
But ultimately, I think, Ben,

1193
01:40:50,373 --> 01:40:53,014
that you are a really great example

1194
01:40:53,014 --> 01:40:56,794
of just living the Bitcoin ethos.

1195
01:40:57,314 --> 01:40:58,954
And I think we need more of that.

1196
01:40:59,954 --> 01:41:01,434
You make fucking great wine

1197
01:41:01,434 --> 01:41:02,534
and you sell it for Bitcoin.

1198
01:41:02,693 --> 01:41:03,654
That's fucking cool.

1199
01:41:03,954 --> 01:41:07,414
That's just like, that's just an undeniably cool thing.

1200
01:41:07,873 --> 01:41:10,454
So fucking like, and you're, you may now,

1201
01:41:10,674 --> 01:41:11,333
but just so you know,

1202
01:41:11,514 --> 01:41:14,934
you've now been on a podcast with me and Dick,

1203
01:41:14,994 --> 01:41:16,894
which means you're automatically going to get labeled

1204
01:41:16,894 --> 01:41:17,994
probably a bad actor.

1205
01:41:18,994 --> 01:41:21,134
You're going to get put into some really just,

1206
01:41:21,134 --> 01:41:23,354
just terrible memes probably.

1207
01:41:23,454 --> 01:41:24,914
And I don't mean terrible, like, oh, they're so hurtful.

1208
01:41:24,934 --> 01:41:26,294
I mean, terrible, like they're just bad.

1209
01:41:26,534 --> 01:41:27,394
Like they're just weak.

1210
01:41:27,794 --> 01:41:29,134
They're low T memes.

1211
01:41:30,214 --> 01:41:31,094
And you know what?

1212
01:41:31,094 --> 01:41:33,514
But because silence is violence, ultimately.

1213
01:41:34,314 --> 01:41:36,474
Have you guys noticed that that's also a tactic that's been used?

1214
01:41:36,574 --> 01:41:38,873
They've literally used the silence is violence thing, and it's like, God.

1215
01:41:42,354 --> 01:41:44,314
It's just embarrassing at this point.

1216
01:41:44,514 --> 01:41:45,474
But I digress.

1217
01:41:45,534 --> 01:41:47,854
What I'm trying to say, Ben, is I appreciate you.

1218
01:41:48,074 --> 01:41:49,034
Do whatever the fuck you want.

1219
01:41:49,114 --> 01:41:51,693
Just keep making wine and keep living the Bitcoin ethos

1220
01:41:51,693 --> 01:41:55,773
and keep orange-pilling people by giving them a great product

1221
01:41:55,773 --> 01:41:58,273
that they're willing to exchange their hard-earned sats for

1222
01:41:58,273 --> 01:42:00,394
after they finally get orange-pilled on the Bitcoin.

1223
01:42:00,394 --> 01:42:01,894
Keep having Bitcoin be preferred.

1224
01:42:02,094 --> 01:42:03,333
You're doing a fucking great job.

1225
01:42:03,373 --> 01:42:04,254
You're leading by example.

1226
01:42:04,434 --> 01:42:06,094
And the rest of you fucking listening,

1227
01:42:06,654 --> 01:42:07,634
maybe you can't make one,

1228
01:42:07,693 --> 01:42:09,454
but you can do something to create more value

1229
01:42:09,454 --> 01:42:11,373
than just posting slop on the internet.

1230
01:42:12,074 --> 01:42:12,814
That's what I'll say.

1231
01:42:12,873 --> 01:42:13,773
Rant concluded.

1232
01:42:15,693 --> 01:42:16,474
Cheers, man.

1233
01:42:17,614 --> 01:42:19,974
Takes a lot of courage not to join the bandwagon.

1234
01:42:22,754 --> 01:42:27,994
You get to do whatever you want to.

1235
01:42:28,994 --> 01:42:30,014
It's your decision.

1236
01:42:30,394 --> 01:42:36,654
if you choose not you yeah you got to see that there's more than just the bandwagon and i think

1237
01:42:36,654 --> 01:42:45,634
the the best thing about what i do like the the the world that i've been able to see in bitcoin

1238
01:42:45,634 --> 01:42:53,954
is i don't just see like a bunch of influencers i don't see a bunch of you know people arguing about

1239
01:42:53,954 --> 01:43:01,994
stupid shit um core knots like i that's one of many stupid shit arguments um

1240
01:43:01,994 --> 01:43:09,954
is i i interact with people who like really fucking care about the mission and they really

1241
01:43:09,954 --> 01:43:17,254
care about the connections and i've really cared like i was the same way so it's it's just been

1242
01:43:17,254 --> 01:43:25,754
the perfect opportunity for me to connect with people who really care about Bitcoin and connecting

1243
01:43:25,754 --> 01:43:30,773
with other Bitcoiners. And a lot of that is like loneliness in the sense of, you know, there's,

1244
01:43:30,773 --> 01:43:40,733
I don't, I have a one, I have a few Bitcoin homies around, but I need more. And I don't know,

1245
01:43:40,873 --> 01:43:46,094
I, the thing that kept me going, like found Bitcoin, freaked out, Bitcoiners started buying

1246
01:43:46,094 --> 01:43:51,693
my wine. And then at the bottom of the bear, some Bitcoiners really made a point to pay in Bitcoin.

1247
01:43:52,354 --> 01:43:57,773
And I held that Bitcoin. And I'll always remember that because it was a pretty low time in my life

1248
01:43:57,773 --> 01:44:06,314
for more than just Bitcoin reasons. So I really felt that it's really been there for me. And the

1249
01:44:06,314 --> 01:44:12,074
community aspect of Bitcoin is not something that I just like the Twitter community, the people

1250
01:44:12,074 --> 01:44:17,814
online. It's these people who like really make a meaningful difference, really care and really want

1251
01:44:17,814 --> 01:44:22,754
to vote with their money and see Bitcoin succeed. And I don't think a lot of people really get to

1252
01:44:22,754 --> 01:44:28,894
see that. I like I'm the outlet for a lot of people. They've never bought anything with Bitcoin

1253
01:44:28,894 --> 01:44:34,594
before. I can't. It's special every time. I can't tell you how many times people have have told me

1254
01:44:34,594 --> 01:44:38,134
this is the first thing that I've ever bought. It's like physical thing I've ever bought with Bitcoin.

1255
01:44:38,134 --> 01:44:45,373
and that's telling to me that like people need more of these connections so yeah i'm doing it

1256
01:44:45,373 --> 01:44:49,693
uh it's obvious that i should be doing it it's obvious that every business should be doing it

1257
01:44:49,693 --> 01:44:56,894
but they're not and i hope that more and more do and it becomes desensitized to spend your bitcoin

1258
01:44:56,894 --> 01:45:02,114
or um i get less and less people saying that you're the first place i ever spent my bitcoin

1259
01:45:02,114 --> 01:45:22,594
You know, that means we're winning. That means we're doing great. And it's hard to see the fighting because we're like, I don't care where you land on core versus knots. I care that you use Bitcoin as money. I care that we take money printing away from the state.

1260
01:45:22,594 --> 01:45:28,754
and I don't know I like I have this unique perspective in the sense that I'm always

1261
01:45:28,754 --> 01:45:34,994
interacting with that I have people that are like it's due to some frustrating alcohol regulations

1262
01:45:34,994 --> 01:45:44,154
it's harder to buy my wine with bitcoin than it is fiat and for for years literally the only way

1263
01:45:44,154 --> 01:45:49,674
you could buy my wine with bitcoin was to text me to dm me and I would send you an invoice that

1264
01:45:49,674 --> 01:45:50,754
It would expire in an hour.

1265
01:45:50,873 --> 01:45:53,934
So I'd have to send four invoices until you checked your DMs.

1266
01:45:54,454 --> 01:45:55,733
And it's hard.

1267
01:45:55,833 --> 01:45:58,094
But people are like, I have to pay with Bitcoin.

1268
01:45:59,154 --> 01:46:00,514
And it's not just online.

1269
01:46:00,514 --> 01:46:10,634
Like when I had that tasting room or when I had the farmer's market stand, it was maybe one person a week would pay with Bitcoin.

1270
01:46:11,554 --> 01:46:15,414
And those people were so pumped.

1271
01:46:15,414 --> 01:46:17,833
one of my favorites is

1272
01:46:17,833 --> 01:46:20,733
well one I had a guy wait

1273
01:46:20,733 --> 01:46:23,014
40 minutes standing next to me

1274
01:46:23,014 --> 01:46:24,914
for a block to clear so he could get

1275
01:46:24,914 --> 01:46:26,974
his lightning wallet filled

1276
01:46:26,974 --> 01:46:28,054
so he could pay with Bitcoin

1277
01:46:28,054 --> 01:46:33,114
and another one a dude came up to me

1278
01:46:33,114 --> 01:46:34,814
and introduced himself

1279
01:46:34,814 --> 01:46:38,773
and I asked him his name and he said

1280
01:46:38,773 --> 01:46:39,773
my name's Ben

1281
01:46:39,773 --> 01:46:43,054
and he said I want to pay with Bitcoin

1282
01:46:43,054 --> 01:46:48,394
and then I asked him if he was on Noster and he said yes and it was just like this

1283
01:46:48,394 --> 01:46:56,434
like where that what the hell like that doesn't happen um I don't know man another one an incredible

1284
01:46:56,434 --> 01:47:04,994
story um to round out the shitty telling of that last story um I had my my first year selling it

1285
01:47:04,994 --> 01:47:11,294
um for bitcoin I had just gotten like Dan Held came up and bought wine from me randomly

1286
01:47:11,294 --> 01:47:14,614
and I didn't even have a lightning wallet yet.

1287
01:47:14,654 --> 01:47:15,674
I didn't know how to use lightning.

1288
01:47:15,914 --> 01:47:18,273
But a couple of weeks later, I figured it out

1289
01:47:18,273 --> 01:47:20,854
and a woman comes up and she goes,

1290
01:47:21,494 --> 01:47:22,154
you accept Bitcoin?

1291
01:47:22,654 --> 01:47:23,193
You're into Bitcoin?

1292
01:47:24,614 --> 01:47:26,333
And real quick, she's like,

1293
01:47:26,554 --> 01:47:27,994
I got to go get my husband.

1294
01:47:28,494 --> 01:47:29,833
And she like disappears.

1295
01:47:30,014 --> 01:47:30,554
I'm like, whatever.

1296
01:47:31,273 --> 01:47:33,414
This is kind of hilarious getting her husband.

1297
01:47:33,654 --> 01:47:34,373
I get it.

1298
01:47:34,794 --> 01:47:37,314
And she comes back up tailing her husband

1299
01:47:37,314 --> 01:47:40,554
and she goes, basically like presents him like,

1300
01:47:40,554 --> 01:47:46,994
talk to him please talk to him about bitcoin and uh this guy just you know he vacations in

1301
01:47:46,994 --> 01:47:53,214
telluride and um lurks on twitter doesn't you know would never have met him there uh but met

1302
01:47:53,214 --> 01:48:00,474
his wife who introduced me to him and it was like he was just craving this connection to other

1303
01:48:00,474 --> 01:48:05,154
bitcoiners and i was too and he's just like this great guy who cares about his family and like has

1304
01:48:05,154 --> 01:48:11,214
the same morals as me and found Bitcoin and wants to, you know, wants Bitcoin to win and wants other

1305
01:48:11,214 --> 01:48:16,054
Bitcoiners to win. Like he, you know, he makes a point every year to buy wine from me just as like,

1306
01:48:16,193 --> 01:48:21,054
hey, you're doing the right thing. I want you to win. And there's so many people like him in Bitcoin

1307
01:48:21,054 --> 01:48:26,693
that the arguing, the calling names, the division just makes me laugh because

1308
01:48:26,693 --> 01:48:32,514
the difference between Bitcoiners and the rest of the world, as far as like how much we agree,

1309
01:48:32,514 --> 01:48:33,814
is just so large.

1310
01:48:35,733 --> 01:48:37,094
I don't think people,

1311
01:48:37,214 --> 01:48:39,634
like when you just live your Bitcoin life on Twitter,

1312
01:48:39,733 --> 01:48:40,414
you don't see it.

1313
01:48:40,594 --> 01:48:41,534
And when you go to conferences,

1314
01:48:41,854 --> 01:48:44,333
you get pissed off about all the shit cornery, whatever.

1315
01:48:45,114 --> 01:48:48,214
But there is so much good intention

1316
01:48:48,214 --> 01:48:50,034
and good hearts in Bitcoin.

1317
01:48:52,674 --> 01:48:55,333
It hurts to see the division

1318
01:48:55,333 --> 01:48:58,733
and I'm really happy I get to see the bright underbelly.

1319
01:48:58,733 --> 01:49:05,434
dude first of all i love the stories and i think that the the story about the dude who's just like

1320
01:49:05,434 --> 01:49:14,294
lurking on twitter and or formerly twitter now x and but but buys wine from you in bitcoin every

1321
01:49:14,294 --> 01:49:22,074
year that's that's just like that's just a normal fucking person right who's like yep i bet i bet

1322
01:49:22,074 --> 01:49:28,614
that dude if i had to guess i bet he doesn't give a fuck about the core versus knots debate

1323
01:49:28,614 --> 01:49:34,974
like I bet he doesn't have a strong side pick there I bet he's not accusing other people of

1324
01:49:34,974 --> 01:49:40,174
being you know pedos and everything like I bet he's not bet he's not doing that he's probably just

1325
01:49:40,174 --> 01:49:46,994
trying to provide value be a good husband and maybe father uh you know to his family

1326
01:49:46,994 --> 01:49:52,074
and he's putting his money where his mouth is he's voting with his voting with his wallet voting

1327
01:49:52,074 --> 01:49:58,594
with his feet and he's actually spending bitcoin like I don't know that's like like that's a

1328
01:49:58,594 --> 01:50:05,174
fucking Bitcoiner right there. You know, you don't have to get rage baited into every fucking little

1329
01:50:05,174 --> 01:50:10,814
thing. Like that, that, that's some, that's some fiat mentality stuff. That's not to say you

1330
01:50:10,814 --> 01:50:15,373
shouldn't care about anything ever. It's not to take the other extreme. You should care about

1331
01:50:15,373 --> 01:50:21,014
things. We're all here because we care very deeply about Bitcoin. That's why, and we care deeply

1332
01:50:21,014 --> 01:50:27,333
about podcasting about Bitcoin. These are things that we don't, uh, we, we hold very dear, right.

1333
01:50:27,333 --> 01:50:28,474
and we believe are meaningful.

1334
01:50:29,454 --> 01:50:32,674
But either extreme is not good.

1335
01:50:32,674 --> 01:50:38,614
You don't have to be susceptible to every little psyop that comes along.

1336
01:50:38,714 --> 01:50:40,494
And I'm not saying it's a psyop, guys.

1337
01:50:42,373 --> 01:50:45,354
Anybody who wants to can probably very selectively edit this,

1338
01:50:45,454 --> 01:50:46,554
and I hope that they do.

1339
01:50:47,094 --> 01:50:48,014
Please clip this.

1340
01:50:48,174 --> 01:50:49,174
Make me more of a villain.

1341
01:50:49,674 --> 01:50:53,294
I am happy to be a perceived shield.

1342
01:50:54,014 --> 01:50:55,014
This is really the role.

1343
01:50:55,134 --> 01:50:55,794
This is what it comes out.

1344
01:50:55,833 --> 01:50:57,314
This is the role of the podcaster, right?

1345
01:50:57,333 --> 01:51:00,794
the role of the podcaster is to basically be the,

1346
01:51:01,454 --> 01:51:03,273
you know, like you're not the developer.

1347
01:51:03,354 --> 01:51:05,314
The developers are the tip of the spear, right?

1348
01:51:05,333 --> 01:51:07,514
They're the ones like writing open source software,

1349
01:51:07,693 --> 01:51:09,894
whether that be on Bitcoin's layer one,

1350
01:51:09,994 --> 01:51:10,954
whether that be on Lightning,

1351
01:51:11,054 --> 01:51:14,054
whether that be on Cashew or Fetiment or ARK

1352
01:51:14,054 --> 01:51:15,394
or any of these other things that are coming up

1353
01:51:15,394 --> 01:51:16,554
that I still need to learn more about.

1354
01:51:17,354 --> 01:51:18,894
Like the developers are the tip of the spear.

1355
01:51:19,954 --> 01:51:21,474
Podcasters are the shield, right?

1356
01:51:21,714 --> 01:51:23,733
You need to be able to provide the cover.

1357
01:51:23,733 --> 01:51:26,693
Like, and those that can't do podcast,

1358
01:51:26,693 --> 01:51:32,614
like this is this is this is what this is what it is and so yeah i i love those stories though

1359
01:51:32,614 --> 01:51:38,014
like that's that's got to be extremely fucking gratifying to have somebody who is like you just

1360
01:51:38,014 --> 01:51:42,014
randomly met at a farmer's market because his wife was like here please like talk to him about

1361
01:51:42,014 --> 01:51:46,854
bitcoin like he's talking to me like what i'm the subtext there is like because he won't shut up

1362
01:51:46,854 --> 01:51:52,934
about it to me you know like you please talk to him about it and you know what like that's awesome

1363
01:51:52,934 --> 01:51:56,214
I bet she enjoys the hell out of your wine that she doesn't get hung over from it.

1364
01:51:56,214 --> 01:51:58,654
You know, that like no, no headaches there.

1365
01:51:58,714 --> 01:51:59,193
You know what I mean?

1366
01:51:59,914 --> 01:52:00,394
You know what I mean?

1367
01:52:01,034 --> 01:52:01,394
Fellas?

1368
01:52:02,373 --> 01:52:02,693
No.

1369
01:52:02,854 --> 01:52:03,034
Okay.

1370
01:52:03,094 --> 01:52:03,494
Nevermind.

1371
01:52:03,954 --> 01:52:05,314
But really, I love those stories.

1372
01:52:05,333 --> 01:52:08,794
It was definitely a, it was definitely a, please talk to him.

1373
01:52:08,794 --> 01:52:14,154
And I was like sitting there, like if I had a girlfriend at that time, she would be saying

1374
01:52:14,154 --> 01:52:14,854
the same thing.

1375
01:52:14,854 --> 01:52:17,193
And that's why I didn't have a girlfriend at that time.

1376
01:52:17,193 --> 01:52:20,014
So lucky he found a real one.

1377
01:52:20,014 --> 01:52:25,894
But yeah, there's so many people in Bitcoin who just like when you're doing the right thing, they want you to win.

1378
01:52:25,894 --> 01:52:41,114
And this comes back to the quality of connections versus quantity that like that dichotomy we see on Twitter where it's hard to break through the noise when you're really going for quality.

1379
01:52:41,114 --> 01:52:47,594
um i that's i kind of bring up brought up stack codler earlier because he's one of the few that

1380
01:52:47,594 --> 01:52:55,574
i think really talks in that super high quality way uh but gets massive engagement and

1381
01:52:55,574 --> 01:53:03,094
i i brought it up because he called me a good writer today and uh i just wanted to brag honestly

1382
01:53:03,094 --> 01:53:08,773
um and he posts beautiful pictures with it he posts beautiful pictures with it as well

1383
01:53:09,074 --> 01:53:09,894
That I like.

1384
01:53:10,254 --> 01:53:15,154
Like we need to normalize sharing beautiful things more.

1385
01:53:15,614 --> 01:53:17,794
You see a lot more of it on Noster actually.

1386
01:53:18,114 --> 01:53:19,474
You know, like you see a lot more of it on Noster.

1387
01:53:19,894 --> 01:53:22,514
But man, like he's also at an unfair advantage because he's in Switzerland.

1388
01:53:23,114 --> 01:53:27,094
And it's just like it's not even fair.

1389
01:53:27,094 --> 01:53:30,154
Like I was just there for my only like my second time ever.

1390
01:53:30,654 --> 01:53:34,154
And it's just like this is what a first world country looks like.

1391
01:53:34,214 --> 01:53:35,354
I thought I lived in one.

1392
01:53:35,594 --> 01:53:37,574
This is what a real first world country is like.

1393
01:53:37,634 --> 01:53:38,414
It's mind-blowing.

1394
01:53:38,414 --> 01:53:45,833
it really is but i digress walker your photos of the sky and it's a great day those fire me up

1395
01:53:46,434 --> 01:53:52,373
but i also imagine that you're like well do i take a picture of this flat land

1396
01:53:52,373 --> 01:53:57,894
yeah because i'm in the fucking midwest yeah like you you have to you have to look up at this i get

1397
01:53:57,894 --> 01:54:02,854
rubbed fucking rub it in you you mountain guy living it probably barely a mile high and thinking

1398
01:54:02,854 --> 01:54:08,373
you're you know above the clouds it's ridiculous but no it is true uh that this is why i post the

1399
01:54:08,373 --> 01:54:13,174
sky. And because also it's a reminder for people to look up. And for anyone who doesn't know what

1400
01:54:13,174 --> 01:54:17,634
Ben is talking about, I routinely, when it's not gray and disgusting in the Midwest,

1401
01:54:18,654 --> 01:54:22,254
which it is right now, it has been for a few days, which is why I haven't posted anything.

1402
01:54:22,654 --> 01:54:27,054
Need to do like some black and white noir style, you know, just to spice it up. But I just,

1403
01:54:27,154 --> 01:54:31,574
I just walk outside. And when I'm outside, I just take a picture of the sky and just post it and

1404
01:54:31,574 --> 01:54:35,974
remind people it's a beautiful day to be alive because it is. Every day that we were still on

1405
01:54:35,974 --> 01:54:42,614
this planet and not six feet under being chewed on by worms and such and re-ingested into the

1406
01:54:42,614 --> 01:54:47,554
earth. It's a beautiful day to be alive. But yeah, I've had multiple people tell me they like that.

1407
01:54:47,693 --> 01:54:51,154
And honestly, I was just trying to figure out what's something I can consistently do

1408
01:54:51,154 --> 01:54:55,794
on Noster that's going to add positivity to people's feeds. Because there's so much

1409
01:54:55,794 --> 01:55:01,873
fucking negativity on X and algorithmically driven negativity. And this is one of the reasons I love

1410
01:55:01,873 --> 01:55:07,674
Noster. And so I was like, what can I do to actively contribute to this positive space,

1411
01:55:07,674 --> 01:55:14,193
to this being like a, a space that is a pleasure to come into because you're met with positivity.

1412
01:55:14,554 --> 01:55:17,994
And so that's like, it's, it's my little, like, I'm not a musician or something. There's a lot of

1413
01:55:17,994 --> 01:55:22,434
cool musicians on Noster. I saw a guy recently, like, just like playing the shit out of a fiddle

1414
01:55:22,434 --> 01:55:26,034
or violin. I'm not sure which one calls it. Depends on the kind of music you're playing,

1415
01:55:26,094 --> 01:55:29,554
I guess, but I'm pretty sure it's just the same instrument. I'm, you know, I'm no expert here,

1416
01:55:29,554 --> 01:55:33,794
but that's just fucking cool just playing a violin slash fiddle getting zapped sats

1417
01:55:33,794 --> 01:55:38,714
spreading positivity the world like you know where are you been it's like yeah just wine posting

1418
01:55:38,714 --> 01:55:45,074
posting about grapes like i love uh by the way this is just like a small thing i i love uh i love

1419
01:55:45,074 --> 01:55:49,333
that on your corks it says like skin to skin it's like just like a nice little touch you know it's

1420
01:55:49,333 --> 01:55:52,273
a nice little touch it's the little things that matter it's the little things that bring you just

1421
01:55:52,273 --> 01:55:58,294
a little bit of joy it's the little things that aren't pleb sloppy i guess is what i'm trying to

1422
01:55:58,294 --> 01:56:10,214
get at there dick your thoughts on little things i think i need to do more uh cigarette posting

1423
01:56:10,214 --> 01:56:18,333
of cool places i'm smoking cigarettes you do like i i just thinking about you smoking cigarettes

1424
01:56:18,333 --> 01:56:25,394
allows me to live vicariously a little bit because man i fucking i'll just say like i loved

1425
01:56:25,394 --> 01:56:31,114
of cigarettes like really i mean fucking cigarettes are great right like i i also this

1426
01:56:31,114 --> 01:56:36,733
is a slight sidebar but i wonder how much healthier the united states would be how much less

1427
01:56:36,733 --> 01:56:45,333
morbidly obese like we wouldn't need ozempic and munjaro and all these fucking poisons glp1

1428
01:56:45,333 --> 01:56:49,454
whatever inhibitors or whatever the fuck they do we wouldn't need those if people were just still

1429
01:56:49,454 --> 01:56:51,674
ripping grits regularly.

1430
01:56:51,954 --> 01:56:52,794
We just wouldn't,

1431
01:56:52,894 --> 01:56:53,674
we wouldn't need them.

1432
01:56:53,974 --> 01:56:54,373
Like,

1433
01:56:54,414 --> 01:56:55,514
look at the fucking French.

1434
01:56:55,654 --> 01:56:56,014
Like,

1435
01:56:56,054 --> 01:56:56,193
yeah,

1436
01:56:56,214 --> 01:56:56,434
they,

1437
01:56:57,114 --> 01:56:59,674
they may be a little bit fucked right now for other reasons,

1438
01:56:59,674 --> 01:57:01,614
but at least they're still skinny.

1439
01:57:01,894 --> 01:57:02,373
You know,

1440
01:57:02,434 --> 01:57:03,614
at least they're still skinny.

1441
01:57:04,114 --> 01:57:05,434
And it's like,

1442
01:57:05,494 --> 01:57:06,474
which one is worse?

1443
01:57:07,254 --> 01:57:08,914
Smoking cigarettes or being obese?

1444
01:57:09,174 --> 01:57:11,494
Like I'm going to go with being,

1445
01:57:11,594 --> 01:57:14,273
being obese is probably worse than smoking cigarettes.

1446
01:57:14,733 --> 01:57:15,134
There.

1447
01:57:15,233 --> 01:57:15,693
I said it.

1448
01:57:16,014 --> 01:57:16,554
I said it.

1449
01:57:16,574 --> 01:57:17,134
So I support,

1450
01:57:17,134 --> 01:57:19,273
I think you need more cigarette posting.

1451
01:57:19,273 --> 01:57:23,153
I fully, I will, you cigarette post after this, I will zap it.

1452
01:57:23,273 --> 01:57:23,894
You have my word.

1453
01:57:24,534 --> 01:57:25,174
You have my word.

1454
01:57:26,373 --> 01:57:31,574
I just got to say, like, I mean, there's something incredible about that.

1455
01:57:32,134 --> 01:57:34,494
Because you think of, like, the bar environment.

1456
01:57:34,653 --> 01:57:38,153
Like, a lot of, I don't hang out at bars that much, but, you know, a lot of people do.

1457
01:57:40,914 --> 01:57:47,994
A lot of our society is around, like, gathering together centered around alcohol.

1458
01:57:47,994 --> 01:57:52,414
and i think this is kind of dropped off a little bit it's not inherently a bad thing but you think

1459
01:57:52,414 --> 01:57:58,554
about a bar it's loud there's oftentimes music it's hard to actually connect with the people there

1460
01:57:58,554 --> 01:58:08,174
it kind of uh it can create these weird dynamics but you go outside and you smoke a cigarette

1461
01:58:08,174 --> 01:58:14,634
and you have these awesome connections with people you're not sitting there on your phone

1462
01:58:14,634 --> 01:58:20,193
and the music isn't blaring you can actually talk to somebody um

1463
01:58:20,193 --> 01:58:29,174
i just think like you know the cigarettes are positive more besides just like a healthier

1464
01:58:29,174 --> 01:58:38,094
or alternative to zempic but i think that you know the tobacco is a way to to really connect

1465
01:58:38,094 --> 01:58:43,193
and have this meaningful experience you know with other people there's something memorable

1466
01:58:43,193 --> 01:58:47,534
about smoking a cigarette with somebody this is why like i try and you know i go to bitcoin

1467
01:58:47,534 --> 01:58:54,574
conference and stuff i try and smoke cigarettes with as many people as possible and uh i like to

1468
01:58:54,574 --> 01:58:59,653
offer them cigarettes it's not because i'm like trying to i'm a spokesman for marlboro but i think

1469
01:58:59,653 --> 01:59:09,034
it creates this uh special experience um but yeah i don't know i mean i i think like it's um

1470
01:59:09,034 --> 01:59:16,974
something that i'm really passionate about is trying to encourage the people that i that i like

1471
01:59:16,974 --> 01:59:23,314
as much as possible like it's something i put a ton of effort into i spent a lot of time talking

1472
01:59:23,314 --> 01:59:33,174
with people uh in group chats and you know like i i take the time to appreciate and uh consume

1473
01:59:33,174 --> 01:59:42,034
you know stuff that send people send me if they say hey i want you to read this or listen to this

1474
01:59:42,034 --> 01:59:48,794
or you know whatever like i will take the time to do it uh and it's exhausting sometimes because i

1475
01:59:48,794 --> 01:59:55,414
get sent a lot of stuff but like it's uh you know i'll take the time to try and genuinely give people

1476
01:59:55,414 --> 02:00:03,074
feedback on it because like i want the people like i think there's like a responsibility of like

1477
02:00:03,074 --> 02:00:09,894
okay i think this idea is important i want to promote this idea and the way that it happens

1478
02:00:09,894 --> 02:00:16,434
is like you know we we have to tell a better story than the other guys and the competing ideas

1479
02:00:16,434 --> 02:00:21,094
um and one of the ways that you do that is it's not viewing

1480
02:00:21,094 --> 02:00:26,114
the other people in the ecosystem as competition but viewing them as um

1481
02:00:26,114 --> 02:00:33,414
in a lot of way allies that you're trying you're trying to build each other up

1482
02:00:33,414 --> 02:00:41,693
because like this is the thing of like you know why do we why am i very critical with my

1483
02:00:41,693 --> 02:00:47,174
online and on twitter is because like what i'm trying to do is i'm not trying to tear

1484
02:00:47,174 --> 02:00:54,094
people down i'm trying to reframe the conversation and i think that's very different it's like this

1485
02:00:54,094 --> 02:01:04,653
sucks not just because like i mean you look at pletitor for example who is he building up

1486
02:01:04,653 --> 02:01:12,414
what is he putting out he's the he's the mall cop just making everybody's life more difficult

1487
02:01:12,414 --> 02:01:17,894
and like he has some bangers now and again and he has he has some self-awareness like you know

1488
02:01:17,894 --> 02:01:21,193
he'll he'll admit where he's wrong i don't think he's all bad

1489
02:01:21,193 --> 02:01:27,954
but he's not really telling a compelling story he's just like highlighting a bunch of nonsense

1490
02:01:27,954 --> 02:01:33,214
and like maybe that's like a useful thing to some extent i think he's a little bit over the top and

1491
02:01:33,214 --> 02:01:39,854
he gets you know office rocker sometimes but like maybe he's a useful role in the larger ecosystem

1492
02:01:39,854 --> 02:01:48,834
but like i think it's like the purpose of the criticism is to to present something of value

1493
02:01:48,834 --> 02:01:55,954
that's interesting and good you present an alternative and like i think where where a lot

1494
02:01:55,954 --> 02:02:01,094
of people kind of take a misstep is they don't present like a good alternative they present

1495
02:02:01,094 --> 02:02:10,254
another bad alternative like their criticism of reframing is um kind of leads into that like the

1496
02:02:10,254 --> 02:02:18,634
the last cycle it was swan like swan was isn't all bad like i'm not anti an anti-swanatist

1497
02:02:18,634 --> 02:02:22,814
i think cory's pretty retarded right now like i hope he gets his shit together

1498
02:02:22,814 --> 02:02:30,233
the poor guy he's just embarrassing himself but like like i'm really rooting for cory i want cory

1499
02:02:30,233 --> 02:02:35,514
to to get his shit together and and and tell a compelling story and like do something interesting

1500
02:02:35,514 --> 02:02:39,794
um other than just bitching about tether all day and like

1501
02:02:39,794 --> 02:02:47,834
you know defending uh you know just like kind of a poor decision making process

1502
02:02:47,834 --> 02:02:56,934
um but uh i don't know i mean there somebody asked me in the chat i listed off like a ton

1503
02:02:56,934 --> 02:03:06,714
of names of people that i really like and uh i don't know i guess the the twitter twitter world

1504
02:03:06,714 --> 02:03:15,273
is different than listening to our podcast or like engaging with but yeah i mean it's it's

1505
02:03:15,273 --> 02:03:20,294
it's in your own self-interest to get out there and try and build up people that you like.

1506
02:03:22,074 --> 02:03:28,834
So that's actually, I think, a very fundamental point, this idea.

1507
02:03:28,834 --> 02:03:36,354
And with regard specifically to Pleditor, I think that Pleditor's heart is in the right place.

1508
02:03:36,954 --> 02:03:42,614
And I've started posting the Norman Rockwell free speech painting,

1509
02:03:43,074 --> 02:03:45,193
the guy standing up at the assembly or whatever.

1510
02:03:45,273 --> 02:03:50,414
like and you know i mean what i put together was i thought a pretty concise meme which was just that

1511
02:03:50,414 --> 02:03:55,294
with the text i agree with pletitor you know and now anytime i agree with pletitor i post that meme

1512
02:03:55,294 --> 02:04:02,314
just because i think it is important to again when i see things that i like i want to reward that with

1513
02:04:02,314 --> 02:04:06,894
my attention and also my memes like that's you know i'm a simple man like i see something i like

1514
02:04:06,894 --> 02:04:12,193
i post a meme in response maybe quote tweeting it and i can only quote tweet it because he was

1515
02:04:12,193 --> 02:04:15,614
only on Noster for like five minutes when he rage quit Twitter and then went back to Twitter.

1516
02:04:16,454 --> 02:04:24,414
That aside, I think that his heart is in the right place. But your point, I think more broadly is that

1517
02:04:24,414 --> 02:04:32,094
if you're only ever against things, what are you for? Like, what are you for? It's, it's easy to

1518
02:04:32,094 --> 02:04:37,314
make the case of what you're against. That's, that's really fucking easy. Cause that's, it's

1519
02:04:37,314 --> 02:04:41,494
necessarily reactionary. And this is not just me. I'm not trying to rag on

1520
02:04:41,494 --> 02:04:45,653
pleditor specifically, or I'm talking broadly now. It's easy to just be against

1521
02:04:45,653 --> 02:04:49,534
things. It's easy to just be the contrarian. Just take whatever somebody

1522
02:04:49,534 --> 02:04:53,394
else says, flip it around and you're, you're, you get to be the cool contrarian.

1523
02:04:53,394 --> 02:05:06,390
Right But like that not and again I not talking pleditor because I know you going to listen to this because you get your 40 hours per week I sure I not talking specifically about you I talking broadly If you think it applies to you

1524
02:05:06,490 --> 02:05:07,870
that is you internalizing that.

1525
02:05:07,950 --> 02:05:08,570
That's okay too.

1526
02:05:08,670 --> 02:05:10,230
That's what your 40 hours per week should do.

1527
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:12,130
You should internalize that 40 hours per week.

1528
02:05:13,150 --> 02:05:14,590
But if you're only ever against things,

1529
02:05:14,650 --> 02:05:15,790
if you're only ever contrarian,

1530
02:05:16,070 --> 02:05:19,430
if you're only ever saying what you are anti,

1531
02:05:20,010 --> 02:05:21,690
not what you're for, not what you're pro,

1532
02:05:21,690 --> 02:05:29,490
then like you don't actually have an opinion about something you don't actually have a a

1533
02:05:29,490 --> 02:05:38,210
let's say a position on something like you need to be for something like and one could argue in

1534
02:05:38,210 --> 02:05:42,290
pletitor's case again not specifically singling out pletitor just using him as an illustrative

1535
02:05:42,290 --> 02:05:48,470
example i think pletitor is for bitcoin whatever whatever that that means to him right i think all

1536
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:52,970
of us are for Bitcoin. We're also all for podcasting, right? I don't know Pleditor's

1537
02:05:52,970 --> 02:05:57,330
thoughts on podcasting. I think Pleditor should start a Bitcoin podcast, actually. I think if

1538
02:05:57,330 --> 02:06:02,650
Pleditor started a Bitcoin podcast, it would be, first of all, just very cathartic for him.

1539
02:06:03,150 --> 02:06:07,190
Because then he doesn't just have to, it doesn't just have to, like text is such a clumsy medium.

1540
02:06:07,610 --> 02:06:13,210
It's such a clumsy medium. It's multiple degrees of separation away from the thought actually

1541
02:06:13,210 --> 02:06:17,470
getting into another person's brain. When you speak, and granted, you can make the argument

1542
02:06:17,470 --> 02:06:20,470
Well, yeah, I can write things faster than I can speak them.

1543
02:06:20,890 --> 02:06:23,330
And someone else can read them faster than they can hear them.

1544
02:06:23,930 --> 02:06:29,790
But there is something different when it is going directly from that podcaster's mouth into your ear holes.

1545
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:31,790
Something magical happens.

1546
02:06:32,250 --> 02:06:38,090
And so what I would say is that if you're always anti-everything, try to start a podcast at least.

1547
02:06:38,510 --> 02:06:42,390
Try to start a podcast because at least you can be pro-podcasting.

1548
02:06:42,850 --> 02:06:47,030
And once you stand for something, you may find that you stand for more things.

1549
02:06:47,470 --> 02:06:49,910
You may find that you're behind more things.

1550
02:06:49,970 --> 02:06:50,810
You're pro more things.

1551
02:06:50,910 --> 02:06:54,470
Maybe you're not a contrarian as far as everything goes.

1552
02:06:55,590 --> 02:06:57,670
And so, again, I think this is, you know,

1553
02:06:58,390 --> 02:07:00,310
Dick, we've talked about this ad nauseum at this point.

1554
02:07:00,410 --> 02:07:02,790
And ad nauseum is one of those words that podcasters love to say.

1555
02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:05,670
And once you become a podcaster, you have to say ad nauseum a lot.

1556
02:07:06,170 --> 02:07:08,510
It's part of kind of the right of becoming a podcaster.

1557
02:07:08,630 --> 02:07:10,490
But we've talked about this ad nauseum.

1558
02:07:10,490 --> 02:07:14,350
And that's the idea that if you're wondering what you should do,

1559
02:07:15,010 --> 02:07:16,310
you should start a podcast.

1560
02:07:17,470 --> 02:07:22,930
The answers will be revealed to you through the medium of podcasting.

1561
02:07:23,450 --> 02:07:24,650
This beautiful medium.

1562
02:07:24,770 --> 02:07:26,930
Shout out to Adam Curry, the podfather.

1563
02:07:27,330 --> 02:07:29,650
We would not be here podding without him.

1564
02:07:29,650 --> 02:07:33,610
Granted, he would say what we're doing right now is not podcasting because there's video involved.

1565
02:07:33,770 --> 02:07:35,770
But that's a different technicality, right?

1566
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:44,130
The point is, if you're against everything, I don't really care what you're against.

1567
02:07:44,210 --> 02:07:44,950
I care what you're for.

1568
02:07:45,090 --> 02:07:46,470
I don't care what you're running away from.

1569
02:07:46,470 --> 02:07:51,250
I care what you're running toward. I care what draws you in, not what chases you away.

1570
02:07:51,910 --> 02:07:56,390
Because what draws you in, what you run toward, that is the thing that truly has value. What

1571
02:07:56,390 --> 02:08:00,970
you're running away from, that's just noise. What you're running toward, that is the signal.

1572
02:08:01,990 --> 02:08:06,170
But I can't hear that signal when all I'm getting is just the noise of the things you hate. I want

1573
02:08:06,170 --> 02:08:10,430
to know what you love. And again, this is not just to you, Pleditor. But if you want to take it,

1574
02:08:10,470 --> 02:08:15,850
Pleditor, again, you're welcome on my podcast anytime. Maybe welcome on the Bugles too. I don't

1575
02:08:15,850 --> 02:08:19,790
want to speak for the bugle i don't want to speak for ben ben we haven't talked about your podcast

1576
02:08:19,790 --> 02:08:24,130
at all also we haven't talked about it at all i thought i thought it was really nice you did an

1577
02:08:24,130 --> 02:08:29,030
episode with uh with american hodl hodl he identifies his hodl i'll call him hodl but just

1578
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:35,390
so you know i believe that just like science says that it's hodl but again like it's fine

1579
02:08:35,390 --> 02:08:40,650
you want to talk about your podcast at all like i thought it was pretty good it's a different

1580
02:08:40,650 --> 02:08:48,490
format like it's a different format i liked it yeah um we're specifically not trying to not be a

1581
02:08:48,490 --> 02:08:54,410
podcast and i'll come out to turn up approach the tatum the tatum turn up it's not a podcast okay i've

1582
02:08:54,410 --> 02:08:59,470
you know what i've i've seen this movie before it's a podcast just say it's a podcast it's okay

1583
02:08:59,470 --> 02:09:06,250
everything is podcast it's a shodcast it's a show and it's a podcast uh

1584
02:09:06,250 --> 02:09:10,110
I want to come out as anti-podcast here.

1585
02:09:10,590 --> 02:09:12,810
I don't think everyone should start a podcast.

1586
02:09:13,130 --> 02:09:18,650
And I realize that that's the pleb slop Gary V advice.

1587
02:09:18,890 --> 02:09:20,330
I listened to Gary V for years.

1588
02:09:20,430 --> 02:09:21,790
He said everyone should have a podcast.

1589
02:09:22,590 --> 02:09:23,810
I think you should have a journal.

1590
02:09:24,670 --> 02:09:28,210
Because you're going to say shit that you would never say out loud.

1591
02:09:28,430 --> 02:09:30,630
That you would not say as a recording.

1592
02:09:31,690 --> 02:09:33,390
Journal every night.

1593
02:09:34,230 --> 02:09:35,690
Most of you are retarded.

1594
02:09:35,690 --> 02:09:41,910
and we don't want to hear what you have to say i'm one of those people i'm also retarded uh but

1595
02:09:41,910 --> 02:09:50,490
but you have a podcast and yet you have a podcast yeah yeah i have a show a shot guest uh so so

1596
02:09:50,490 --> 02:09:56,690
quest is it's ended up like uh five five to ten minutes we're trying to have fun with it

1597
02:09:56,690 --> 02:10:02,950
um obviously has elements of a podcast where we interview someone but also we're trying to like

1598
02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:09,570
make fun of ourselves and the topics at hand uh it's kind of a blend between a podcast and uh

1599
02:10:09,570 --> 02:10:15,970
dick greaser's twitter feed i guess uh but maybe a little bit less like on the nose and serious and

1600
02:10:15,970 --> 02:10:24,930
and starting starting shit with people um yeah i i uh in the beginning of october i was october 3rd

1601
02:10:24,930 --> 02:10:31,050
i interviewed jeff booth and bitcoin had just pumped like 10k that that like that last week

1602
02:10:31,050 --> 02:10:33,010
and I asked him how he was enjoying October,

1603
02:10:33,390 --> 02:10:35,470
and then everything went downhill from there.

1604
02:10:35,850 --> 02:10:37,750
So it's your fault.

1605
02:10:38,590 --> 02:10:41,010
You tried to let Danny Knowles take the heat

1606
02:10:41,010 --> 02:10:43,670
for this sweet, sweet, bald, shiny-headed Danny.

1607
02:10:44,110 --> 02:10:46,490
You tried to let him, a fellow podcaster,

1608
02:10:46,570 --> 02:10:48,970
you tried to let him take the heat when it's really your fault.

1609
02:10:49,370 --> 02:10:51,190
How dare you? How dare you, sir?

1610
02:10:51,190 --> 02:10:54,190
Look, the one thing I've learned about myself

1611
02:10:54,190 --> 02:10:58,310
is that I am a top signal, and I try to lean into that.

1612
02:10:58,310 --> 02:11:06,490
So anyways, that's just a great thing to have on camera that I had asked Jeff Booth.

1613
02:11:06,710 --> 02:11:08,250
He laughed, so he agreed.

1614
02:11:08,950 --> 02:11:10,870
So I got Jeff Booth on my side.

1615
02:11:11,250 --> 02:11:14,870
But yeah, we're figuring stuff out at this point.

1616
02:11:14,950 --> 02:11:16,730
We're kind of still in amorphous zone.

1617
02:11:17,050 --> 02:11:25,230
But the idea for Soak Quest is we're really focused on, yeah, sure, the interesting story, the influencer that gets us clicks.

1618
02:11:25,270 --> 02:11:25,850
It's awesome.

1619
02:11:25,850 --> 02:11:29,210
You know, let's just have Hoddle on because he's really good at vlogs.

1620
02:11:29,590 --> 02:11:41,030
But the real focus of the show is that we we want more businesses to do what I did in their own way.

1621
02:11:41,650 --> 02:11:48,850
And I built my business to where like I just want to build a business that I enjoy doing that involves working with Bitcoiners.

1622
02:11:50,370 --> 02:11:52,170
Most businesses are not that.

1623
02:11:52,170 --> 02:12:08,650
So it's introducing Bitcoin friendly business, like maybe the CEO is a Bitcoiner, introducing these people to Noster and to Bitcoiners as customers and trying to get them set up in all the right ways and introduce Bitcoiners to these businesses.

1624
02:12:08,650 --> 02:12:13,990
because I think that I'm blanking on the laws

1625
02:12:13,990 --> 02:12:18,070
because there's so many laws of all these different smart people things.

1626
02:12:19,510 --> 02:12:27,450
And so it's a thing where like the value of the network is how many nodes

1627
02:12:27,450 --> 02:12:33,470
versus the value of the network is how many like actual important nodes matter.

1628
02:12:33,470 --> 02:12:37,650
and I guess the comment there is like

1629
02:12:37,650 --> 02:12:41,770
it doesn't matter how many Bitcoiners exist

1630
02:12:41,770 --> 02:12:42,710
it matters how many

1631
02:12:42,710 --> 02:12:44,390
like if we want Bitcoin to be money

1632
02:12:44,390 --> 02:12:45,490
you need both sides

1633
02:12:45,490 --> 02:12:47,490
you need the people who are producing goods

1634
02:12:47,490 --> 02:12:48,730
and you can buy them with Bitcoin

1635
02:12:48,730 --> 02:12:51,990
versus the people who are also willing to spend Bitcoin

1636
02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:54,350
and the kind of the fundamental principle

1637
02:12:54,350 --> 02:12:56,290
I've come back to in all this is

1638
02:12:56,290 --> 02:12:58,310
it's not freedom money

1639
02:12:58,310 --> 02:13:00,330
if you have to convert it back to slave tokens

1640
02:13:00,330 --> 02:13:01,430
in order to spend it

1641
02:13:01,430 --> 02:13:12,050
And we want to really build the Bitcoin economy and show these businesses that are building the best shit.

1642
02:13:12,170 --> 02:13:13,090
Like we don't want to interview.

1643
02:13:13,410 --> 02:13:16,210
We don't want to feature people that aren't building good stuff.

1644
02:13:16,850 --> 02:13:21,990
So we want to like showcase these businesses as like you're building the best shit.

1645
02:13:22,110 --> 02:13:22,770
You're a Bitcorner.

1646
02:13:22,770 --> 02:13:29,010
the opportunity to be the big the leading brand within this category within like the brand that

1647
02:13:29,010 --> 02:13:34,810
big corners think about is so large it's like early days for this you can just be the first

1648
02:13:34,810 --> 02:13:40,210
like saute salt of the earth the first electrolyte company that adopts bitcoin like now every bit

1649
02:13:40,210 --> 02:13:45,530
corner like wants those fucking electrolytes because they're high quality as well um and the

1650
02:13:45,530 --> 02:13:50,370
opportunities there and there's tons of bitcoiners who want to have it so uh you know it all comes

1651
02:13:50,370 --> 02:13:52,570
It's a circle, and it all comes back to that.

1652
02:13:53,670 --> 02:13:55,070
I've got several comments.

1653
02:13:55,170 --> 02:13:58,910
I'm going to try to say them in reverse chronological order,

1654
02:13:59,110 --> 02:14:00,490
and I'm going to forget a couple of them.

1655
02:14:00,570 --> 02:14:05,090
First comment, the Bitcoin slave token thing, grade A pleb slop.

1656
02:14:05,650 --> 02:14:07,050
Grade A pleb slop.

1657
02:14:07,170 --> 02:14:08,470
But it's outstanding.

1658
02:14:08,650 --> 02:14:12,990
That is the cream of the slop, as they say.

1659
02:14:13,650 --> 02:14:15,890
The second one, I forgot already.

1660
02:14:16,450 --> 02:14:18,570
The third one, just given the name of the podcast,

1661
02:14:18,570 --> 02:14:21,250
What is Soak Quest?

1662
02:14:22,990 --> 02:14:25,110
Are you Mormon?

1663
02:14:26,490 --> 02:14:29,690
Or is that too personal?

1664
02:14:32,510 --> 02:14:39,630
Honestly, a little insulted that you would feel comfortable enough to ask that.

1665
02:14:41,010 --> 02:14:41,950
It's a podcast.

1666
02:14:42,510 --> 02:14:42,890
Okay.

1667
02:14:43,170 --> 02:14:43,870
It's a podcast.

1668
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:48,270
Is your podcast title a reference to the Mormon Soak?

1669
02:14:48,570 --> 02:14:50,090
would be my follow-up question.

1670
02:14:51,770 --> 02:14:52,210
No.

1671
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:55,710
Yes, because it's fun, because it gets your brain going,

1672
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:57,550
and we're trying to make fun of ourselves, but no.

1673
02:14:59,250 --> 02:14:59,910
I don't know.

1674
02:14:59,990 --> 02:15:01,890
I had a group chat called Soak Quest,

1675
02:15:02,410 --> 02:15:05,870
and the idea was just like, we're fucking in this together,

1676
02:15:06,330 --> 02:15:08,670
and we're going to marinate in all these ideas.

1677
02:15:08,990 --> 02:15:09,710
Oh, boy.

1678
02:15:10,630 --> 02:15:13,290
And it's just a great group chat name.

1679
02:15:14,890 --> 02:15:16,930
Okay, I wish I remembered the second one,

1680
02:15:16,930 --> 02:15:20,710
but now I've just been too derailed by the talk of marinating and soaking.

1681
02:15:21,710 --> 02:15:22,430
All right.

1682
02:15:22,690 --> 02:15:24,150
Can you explain?

1683
02:15:24,430 --> 02:15:27,410
I know a lot about Mormonism, but I've never heard this term.

1684
02:15:27,590 --> 02:15:29,430
You don't know the term the Mormon soak?

1685
02:15:30,350 --> 02:15:30,670
No.

1686
02:15:31,290 --> 02:15:32,850
Is that where they baptize the dead?

1687
02:15:33,570 --> 02:15:33,890
No.

1688
02:15:33,970 --> 02:15:34,490
What is it?

1689
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:36,530
But Ben, you know what I'm talking about, right?

1690
02:15:37,350 --> 02:15:38,330
Do I need to?

1691
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:40,090
I'm just going to, because I don't want to,

1692
02:15:40,250 --> 02:15:44,670
I don't want to have to actively explain this in my own words.

1693
02:15:44,670 --> 02:15:50,110
so i'm gonna okay first of all it's about it's about sex but not sex you want to do it you want

1694
02:15:50,110 --> 02:15:55,850
to do it yeah i don't need you to be clipped into any other yeah they're gonna take this

1695
02:15:55,850 --> 02:16:00,410
the either the silent k's are gonna take this and run with it so ben it's better if you do it

1696
02:16:00,410 --> 02:16:07,350
you're you're still agnostic agnostic yeah it's not it's not sex if you don't pump so if you just

1697
02:16:07,350 --> 02:16:15,070
go in and stay there you're not you're not disappointed god um i don't know why mormon

1698
02:16:15,070 --> 02:16:21,430
god and christian god are different on this topic um and i noticed that you called mormons christians

1699
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:26,830
walker earlier and i'm not i don't think i did that i don't know if i did that step into that

1700
02:16:26,830 --> 02:16:33,410
what i don't know if i don't when did i do that whoa whoa whoa whoa but uh not that i would touch

1701
02:16:33,410 --> 02:16:35,410
I've seen the Book of Mormon, okay?

1702
02:16:35,790 --> 02:16:38,790
It's a fantastic, fantastic musical.

1703
02:16:39,271 --> 02:16:39,990
It's outstanding.

1704
02:16:40,510 --> 02:16:44,330
Anyone who hasn't seen the Book of Mormon, written by Trey Parker and Matt Stone,

1705
02:16:44,710 --> 02:16:45,931
should absolutely see it.

1706
02:16:45,950 --> 02:16:48,471
It will clear up any confusion you have about Mormonism.

1707
02:16:49,690 --> 02:16:50,990
Maybe just another thing.

1708
02:16:51,471 --> 02:16:54,650
What's the Scientologist version of the Mormon soak?

1709
02:16:55,590 --> 02:16:58,130
Now that Dick understands what the Mormon soak is,

1710
02:16:58,190 --> 02:17:02,190
which is just soaking one's member without pumping.

1711
02:17:02,190 --> 02:17:11,670
And sometimes they have a friend who will just jiggle the bed for them because then it still doesn't count as long as you're not doing the action apparently.

1712
02:17:11,950 --> 02:17:14,431
I thought this was all like an elaborate joke.

1713
02:17:14,650 --> 02:17:15,190
I really did.

1714
02:17:15,290 --> 02:17:18,610
I was like, that's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life.

1715
02:17:18,670 --> 02:17:22,210
There's no possible way that people actually – apparently they do.

1716
02:17:22,690 --> 02:17:24,311
Apparently it's actually a real thing.

1717
02:17:24,710 --> 02:17:27,471
It's mind-blowing that it is, but it is apparently.

1718
02:17:28,510 --> 02:17:31,190
Could you carry that over into crypto?

1719
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:39,410
like it's not a pump and dump if you don't well if you don't buy the tokens pre-mined it's not a

1720
02:17:39,410 --> 02:17:46,330
pump and dump maybe yeah i mean because realistically soaking is just as without the

1721
02:17:46,330 --> 02:17:52,471
pump and dump right anyways dick would appreciate your uh feedback on whatever question was asked i

1722
02:17:52,471 --> 02:17:58,510
forget i mean it's all it's all interesting i've been going down this rabbit hole of

1723
02:17:58,510 --> 02:18:00,650
Scientology and Bitcoin.

1724
02:18:01,130 --> 02:18:03,030
The Scientologists are here, folks.

1725
02:18:04,070 --> 02:18:04,550
They are.

1726
02:18:05,590 --> 02:18:07,630
Do we need to speak about the person who's...

1727
02:18:07,630 --> 02:18:08,971
You've got to be really careful.

1728
02:18:08,971 --> 02:18:09,811
I just want to say,

1729
02:18:09,910 --> 02:18:12,530
I'm more worried about the Scientologists

1730
02:18:12,530 --> 02:18:14,530
than I am about the Silent Ks.

1731
02:18:15,110 --> 02:18:17,290
I don't know how many of the Silent Ks

1732
02:18:17,290 --> 02:18:19,330
are also Scientologists in disguise.

1733
02:18:19,931 --> 02:18:20,410
I don't know.

1734
02:18:20,570 --> 02:18:21,670
I don't want to make any accusations.

1735
02:18:22,351 --> 02:18:24,630
But the Scientologists are a litigious bunch.

1736
02:18:25,370 --> 02:18:26,790
And they've got Tom Cruise on their side,

1737
02:18:26,830 --> 02:18:27,971
who I think is a fantastic...

1738
02:18:27,971 --> 02:18:29,410
I think he's the ultimate action star.

1739
02:18:29,771 --> 02:18:32,150
But, like, he's also a Scientologist.

1740
02:18:32,450 --> 02:18:35,150
Like, there's a great documentary called Going Clear.

1741
02:18:35,790 --> 02:18:37,670
If you haven't seen it, you really should.

1742
02:18:38,250 --> 02:18:46,870
Like, man, Scientology is, it is, phew, it's fucking nuts, man.

1743
02:18:47,130 --> 02:18:49,471
Like, it is really, really nuts.

1744
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:51,750
Like, wow.

1745
02:18:52,391 --> 02:18:54,450
And have you guys seen this doc?

1746
02:18:54,950 --> 02:18:56,070
Oh, yeah, of course.

1747
02:18:56,250 --> 02:18:56,630
Yeah, okay.

1748
02:18:57,370 --> 02:18:57,670
Okay.

1749
02:18:57,670 --> 02:19:00,650
I spent way too much time researching Scientology.

1750
02:19:01,050 --> 02:19:02,811
It's mind-blowing, is it not?

1751
02:19:04,010 --> 02:19:08,190
It just seems like a pretty elaborate blackmail scheme, right?

1752
02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:10,630
That's what we're dealing with ultimately.

1753
02:19:11,910 --> 02:19:14,710
Well, a lot of these cults that have risen up,

1754
02:19:18,170 --> 02:19:19,950
I don't know when they really started.

1755
02:19:20,070 --> 02:19:21,830
I guess the 60s and 70s.

1756
02:19:21,971 --> 02:19:25,090
I mean, it all coincided with MKUltra.

1757
02:19:25,090 --> 02:19:31,950
and mark goodwin put out this really interesting article really good article because it it was like

1758
02:19:31,950 --> 02:19:36,550
a summary of a lot of research i was familiar with almost everything in the article before

1759
02:19:36,550 --> 02:19:42,070
and it was just like a really good aggregation but the it's a series he's working on you can

1760
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:46,950
find it if you search through unlimited hangout it might be kind of hard to find but it's definitely

1761
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:56,710
on there um going through the history of scientology the cia and mk ultra and um

1762
02:19:56,710 --> 02:20:00,950
it is a very interesting read but yeah i mean these uh

1763
02:20:01,950 --> 02:20:08,431
uh like i feel like reason part of the reason why i like researching these cults

1764
02:20:09,351 --> 02:20:14,290
and in researching you know the mind control techniques that they use is that they were

1765
02:20:14,290 --> 02:20:20,830
i feel like they were the testing grounds to be able to export this to the general population

1766
02:20:20,830 --> 02:20:26,290
a lot of the techniques that you know were experimented

1767
02:20:26,290 --> 02:20:33,650
using in a documented use on these people you know are being used in the broader society and

1768
02:20:33,650 --> 02:20:42,290
in the you know groups like scientology can't could be seen potentially as

1769
02:20:42,290 --> 02:20:47,391
essentially grooming these people

1770
02:20:47,391 --> 02:20:51,290
to go out in the world in positions of power and influence

1771
02:20:51,290 --> 02:20:55,370
and essentially operate as Manchurian candidates

1772
02:20:55,370 --> 02:20:59,670
of maybe not literally, but very heavily

1773
02:20:59,670 --> 02:21:01,431
influenced and controlled individuals.

1774
02:21:03,891 --> 02:21:07,311
And so it's interesting to see the

1775
02:21:07,311 --> 02:21:11,431
cross-section between groups like that and the Bitcoin

1776
02:21:11,431 --> 02:21:19,650
ecosystem it's very interesting i mean it's very interesting to to um you know just read about

1777
02:21:19,650 --> 02:21:27,990
overlaps with like jeffrey epstein and uh bitcoin core and while it's not like okay he you know he

1778
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:34,710
was a significant funder trying to to influence like there is there's overlaps between these

1779
02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:42,471
power structures and people be involved in this ecosystem it's really it's just fascinating to see

1780
02:21:42,471 --> 02:21:50,710
how the levers of power and influence work and uh i feel like being generally aware of it you can

1781
02:21:50,710 --> 02:21:58,010
kind of get out of trouble or stay out of trouble a little bit yeah i mean i think we all know that

1782
02:21:58,010 --> 02:22:02,370
Jeffrey Epstein was a proponent of core V30, uh, that,

1783
02:22:02,610 --> 02:22:06,830
that much is clear from my research at least. Uh, but no, in,

1784
02:22:06,971 --> 02:22:09,051
in all seriousness, it is, it is wild.

1785
02:22:09,090 --> 02:22:11,870
And I think it's important to pay attention to these things because there's

1786
02:22:11,870 --> 02:22:15,690
like, like speaking with of Scientology specifically, like,

1787
02:22:16,290 --> 02:22:17,330
and I won't name names,

1788
02:22:17,330 --> 02:22:22,130
but there are people who rise into prominent positions as, uh,

1789
02:22:22,430 --> 02:22:27,870
pseudo figureheads and new, you know, like, uh, new golden boys, uh,

1790
02:22:27,870 --> 02:22:33,311
or girls maybe, but boys, of, you know, Bitcoin plebslop,

1791
02:22:33,870 --> 02:22:39,430
who are very prominent Scientologists, publicly so.

1792
02:22:40,771 --> 02:22:43,830
And again, like you can just, why don't you just do your own research on this

1793
02:22:43,830 --> 02:22:46,170
because I don't want to, this is a.

1794
02:22:46,170 --> 02:22:47,490
I don't want to do my own research.

1795
02:22:48,010 --> 02:22:48,750
This is a.

1796
02:22:49,530 --> 02:22:50,010
You want to.

1797
02:22:50,650 --> 02:22:51,930
This is a dangerous game.

1798
02:22:51,930 --> 02:22:52,870
You want to know who the Scientologists are?

1799
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:54,490
This is a.

1800
02:22:55,030 --> 02:22:57,250
We'll communicate about the Scientologists offline,

1801
02:22:57,250 --> 02:23:06,730
But I'm just saying if you Googled Bitcoin, Scientology, real estate, you'd probably find them pretty quickly.

1802
02:23:08,430 --> 02:23:10,330
Anyway, that's all I'll say about that.

1803
02:23:10,891 --> 02:23:16,290
Just go to my Twitter page and search Scientology and you'll see my posts and thoughts.

1804
02:23:16,730 --> 02:23:18,610
Dude, it's such a fascinating rabbit hole, though.

1805
02:23:18,650 --> 02:23:19,370
It really is.

1806
02:23:19,570 --> 02:23:22,790
Because, again, it's so patently absurd.

1807
02:23:22,790 --> 02:23:24,851
like L. Ron Hubbard

1808
02:23:24,851 --> 02:23:26,870
like he's L. Ron Hubbard the guy who like created

1809
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:28,990
Scientology he was just he was a science fiction author

1810
02:23:28,990 --> 02:23:30,610
and he wrote about these like

1811
02:23:30,610 --> 02:23:32,830
like these ridiculous science

1812
02:23:32,830 --> 02:23:34,790
fiction stories then literally turned them into a

1813
02:23:34,790 --> 02:23:36,830
religion and like part of the religion

1814
02:23:36,830 --> 02:23:38,830
is getting audited and quote going

1815
02:23:38,830 --> 02:23:40,930
clear and confessing all of the bad

1816
02:23:40,930 --> 02:23:42,170
things you've ever done in your life like

1817
02:23:42,170 --> 02:23:44,830
and they're recorded when you confess

1818
02:23:44,830 --> 02:23:46,730
them and then it's like this is

1819
02:23:46,730 --> 02:23:48,811
a gross oversimplification there's surely

1820
02:23:48,811 --> 02:23:50,811
much more to it right and let's not even

1821
02:23:50,811 --> 02:23:52,590
get into the thetans in your past lives

1822
02:23:52,590 --> 02:24:00,630
but like it's all just like an elaborate blackmail scheme and it's kind of fucking nuts but there's a

1823
02:24:00,630 --> 02:24:11,410
lot of really powerful people who are scientologists and it's just like huh huh okay okay i started i

1824
02:24:11,410 --> 02:24:18,170
started reading dianetics because um dick whitman keeps on uh every time i post about

1825
02:24:18,170 --> 02:24:25,190
scientology he keeps on telling me that i need to read dianetics and uh a little bit and it's

1826
02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:33,150
it's very fascinating i mean a lot of a lot of the um you know language that's used is very similar to

1827
02:24:33,150 --> 02:24:39,930
to a lot of the bitcoin plub slot and a lot of like just general conspiracy theory type thing

1828
02:24:39,930 --> 02:24:46,290
like i think there's uh you know individuals that that feel like there's something wrong

1829
02:24:46,290 --> 02:24:52,710
with the general world or society around them are very vulnerable to be preyed on and uh

1830
02:24:52,710 --> 02:24:59,830
you see this a lot with the shit coins where people get wrapped into like they're they're

1831
02:24:59,830 --> 02:25:06,190
they're kind of doing these these similar strategies with zcash you know and bitcoin has reached this

1832
02:25:06,190 --> 02:25:16,271
this point of prominence where uh it almost feels like an like a dominant incumbent like

1833
02:25:16,271 --> 02:25:24,590
entity and you see these these people that have been kind of on the fringes and periphery are

1834
02:25:24,590 --> 02:25:30,650
rejecting it as a result of that and they they kind of have their their weird conspiracy theory

1835
02:25:30,650 --> 02:25:36,811
plub slop takes that are that are similar to dynamic like i i was tagged in this like ridiculous

1836
02:25:36,811 --> 02:25:44,170
thread with mark goodwin arguing with this guy and uh you know mark asked this this random guy

1837
02:25:44,170 --> 02:25:53,851
that had like fuck bitcoin in his uh profile uh description the guy asked mark or sorry mark asked

1838
02:25:53,851 --> 02:26:07,471
the guy does he think that uh bitcoin or fiat is more zionist and and the guy the guy started going

1839
02:26:07,471 --> 02:26:15,570
off about like how how bitcoin is more zionist and i was like this is such a you know weird

1840
02:26:15,570 --> 02:26:22,450
dynamic that we're in where where the conspiracy world of like you know you got you got katherine

1841
02:26:22,450 --> 02:26:28,230
austin fitz who's concerned about she's always hated bitcoin but she she's concerned about c sam

1842
02:26:28,230 --> 02:26:36,690
she's using those guys's uh talking points to delegitimize bitcoin her her solution in the

1843
02:26:36,690 --> 02:26:43,670
world is uh going and uh spending cash on fridays and using credit unions so like that's her

1844
02:26:43,670 --> 02:26:49,891
resistance strategy and just being a luddite um wait wait i don't even know who this is who is

1845
02:26:49,891 --> 02:26:57,190
this ben do you know this is dude okay can you educate us please dick yeah here let me look up

1846
02:26:57,190 --> 02:27:03,710
she had like a role in government at some point i think she worked for the uh bush administration

1847
02:27:03,710 --> 02:27:13,790
but she's like big in like the anti uh surveillance world um the name is like vaguely familiar but i

1848
02:27:13,790 --> 02:27:19,370
i don't know it's it's it's not like i can't say this is somebody that i'm like tracking actively

1849
02:27:19,370 --> 02:27:24,650
she she's big in the the boomer slop conspiracy theory world like

1850
02:27:24,650 --> 02:27:35,610
oh yeah she's like a big big deal like anti uh like you know like uh

1851
02:27:35,610 --> 02:27:43,891
yeah oh wait oh i just i just i just looked her up on wikipedia i think i do know who this is

1852
02:27:43,891 --> 02:27:49,891
uh okay can't trust that well yeah that's true you mean woke a pedia no thank you

1853
02:27:49,891 --> 02:27:59,190
Catherine Austin Fitz, born December 24th, 1950, is an American investment banker and former public official who served as managing director of Dylan Reed & Co.

1854
02:27:59,710 --> 02:28:05,150
and during President George H.W. Bush as United States Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Housing.

1855
02:28:05,670 --> 02:28:15,051
She has widely written and commented on the subject of public spending and has alleged several large-scale instances of government fraud.

1856
02:28:15,051 --> 02:28:22,190
hmm okay that's what that's what wikipedia gives me on the on the top uh top line so so what's

1857
02:28:22,190 --> 02:28:28,650
what's what's the real deal then dick she writes she writes she has like a publication called the

1858
02:28:28,650 --> 02:28:36,971
slurry report um well what's the real deal well it's really nuanced and like it it's just these

1859
02:28:36,971 --> 02:28:44,370
people are are spewing this this nonsensical slop they don't understand the technology

1860
02:28:44,370 --> 02:28:50,330
like they're going after mark i'm watching them go after mark they get it he gets it a lot where

1861
02:28:50,330 --> 02:28:56,590
they call him a crypto bro and they think they think this technology is inherently bad because

1862
02:28:56,590 --> 02:29:04,051
digital and like there's a lot of problems with stuff that that bitcoin is being used for or could

1863
02:29:04,051 --> 02:29:12,650
be used for there's a lot of um like really bad actors interacting with it like you got groups

1864
02:29:12,650 --> 02:29:19,190
like uh you know chain analysis and you know other ones and uh you know a lot of the kyc

1865
02:29:19,190 --> 02:29:26,690
mechanisms that are really uh potentially accelerating or or

1866
02:29:26,690 --> 02:29:33,490
you know i was looking at your website i like it i like that you have like a buy with bitcoin

1867
02:29:33,490 --> 02:29:38,170
like right yeah it's cool it's cool but uh

1868
02:29:38,170 --> 02:29:44,150
yeah i don't know i mean it's just interesting like there's a lot of fud

1869
02:29:44,150 --> 02:29:52,170
to be busted and what's funny about you know these people like katherine austin fitz and these

1870
02:29:52,170 --> 02:29:57,311
like the the thing that's exciting about bitcoin is it's actually a vehicle to do something

1871
02:29:57,311 --> 02:30:04,570
whereas a lot of these conspiracy theories like what is alex's jones alex jones's message

1872
02:30:04,570 --> 02:30:09,370
to vote for a Republican and buy supplements.

1873
02:30:10,311 --> 02:30:13,271
What is, let's see.

1874
02:30:14,311 --> 02:30:14,750
I don't know.

1875
02:30:14,870 --> 02:30:16,490
There's all these guys that are.

1876
02:30:18,090 --> 02:30:21,670
The guys that were conspiracy theorists back, again,

1877
02:30:21,710 --> 02:30:24,130
when they were the counterculture,

1878
02:30:24,630 --> 02:30:27,070
but they're not the counterculture anymore.

1879
02:30:28,010 --> 02:30:28,851
And that's the thing.

1880
02:30:28,950 --> 02:30:32,790
It's like your favorite hipster indie band going mainstream,

1881
02:30:32,790 --> 02:30:35,391
and it's like, shit, I just like something that's mainstream now.

1882
02:30:35,730 --> 02:30:40,230
It's like when you're just another mouthpiece for the incumbent regime,

1883
02:30:41,690 --> 02:30:44,170
it's just like it's not cool anymore.

1884
02:30:44,351 --> 02:30:47,490
The second you stop being able to speak truth to power,

1885
02:30:47,590 --> 02:30:49,430
as fucking lame as that sounds,

1886
02:30:49,930 --> 02:30:52,010
but that is the essence of it, right?

1887
02:30:52,510 --> 02:30:57,811
As soon as you stop being able to do that, you're done.

1888
02:30:58,650 --> 02:30:59,891
You're absolutely done.

1889
02:30:59,891 --> 02:31:05,030
And so like, you know, like Alex Jones, like fucking like what a, what a wild career that

1890
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:05,510
guy's had.

1891
02:31:05,510 --> 02:31:05,750
Right.

1892
02:31:05,771 --> 02:31:09,170
And like, would just like, you look at those early videos of him just like getting up in

1893
02:31:09,170 --> 02:31:11,250
people's faces and just calling them the fuck out.

1894
02:31:11,670 --> 02:31:16,690
And now it's like so many people have just been basically like, yeah, well, you know,

1895
02:31:17,690 --> 02:31:21,690
they end up just playing the same games that they would give other people shit for, which

1896
02:31:21,690 --> 02:31:25,870
is just being a mouthpiece for whoever's in charge because you like the guy, you know,

1897
02:31:26,450 --> 02:31:29,490
and like, whatever, more power to, you know, you're getting, you're, you're, you're a little

1898
02:31:29,490 --> 02:31:36,030
bit older now you know you're you're you're uh you know uh trt injections only to get you so far

1899
02:31:36,030 --> 02:31:41,990
and it's like you just you don't have that youthful uh vigor that you used to you so you you just

1900
02:31:41,990 --> 02:31:48,950
you're a little too tired to be a you know uh uh a counterculture proponent anymore like it's okay

1901
02:31:48,950 --> 02:31:52,551
you're just mainstream now like you look on x at any given point it's like alex jones is like one

1902
02:31:52,551 --> 02:31:57,070
of the main streams of their couple hundred thousand viewers at any given time live and it's

1903
02:31:57,070 --> 02:32:01,150
like yeah it's like you're the new mainstream and that's cool too like it's amazing that it's not

1904
02:32:01,150 --> 02:32:06,930
just the fucking cnn's and msnbc's and you know just like the rachel maddow screeching at you

1905
02:32:06,930 --> 02:32:11,771
anymore like at least it's alex jones screeching at you but like make no mistake it's like

1906
02:32:11,771 --> 02:32:19,311
unless you're willing to call out the truth you're not really any better like just because you like

1907
02:32:19,311 --> 02:32:23,370
just because the guy that's in power happens to be a little bit better than their shit rag you

1908
02:32:23,370 --> 02:32:26,851
know it's like the it's like the south park skit they're like oh you know like we're a giant douche

1909
02:32:26,851 --> 02:32:33,391
family here we won't be voting for turd sandwich it's like fuck i don't know it's just it's it's

1910
02:32:33,391 --> 02:32:39,450
also ridiculous at a certain point but i i think i think mark goodwin gets a lot of shit unfairly

1911
02:32:39,450 --> 02:32:46,551
uh a lot of times i've i've i've noticed this like quite frequently i i think the guy tries to

1912
02:32:46,551 --> 02:32:51,110
do his best to tell the truth he does i can't accuse him of pleb slop because generally the

1913
02:32:51,110 --> 02:32:56,090
plebs don't like what he has to say like it's usually he's not not pushing these like bullish

1914
02:32:56,090 --> 02:33:00,811
you know moon boy narratives he's pushing very much like hey this is the thing i'm concerned

1915
02:33:00,811 --> 02:33:06,190
about and maybe like you should read it more about this and then people are like reading i don't know

1916
02:33:06,190 --> 02:33:11,490
about that like you know and granted i'm a podcast guy too so like you know reading scary but i don't

1917
02:33:11,490 --> 02:33:17,250
know we i think we need more people who are not afraid to say like hey here's a super fucked up

1918
02:33:17,250 --> 02:33:22,891
thing that might be happening like maybe it's worth taking off your you know orange colored

1919
02:33:22,891 --> 02:33:27,471
glasses for a second and admitting that like shit may be a little bit fucked up but also mark is

1920
02:33:27,471 --> 02:33:32,690
like a hardcore or a hardcore bitcoiner right and so then you've got these like kind of like

1921
02:33:32,690 --> 02:33:37,811
these luddites as you called them dick who are coming after people like that who are just going

1922
02:33:37,811 --> 02:33:42,590
to have that knee-jerk gold bug reaction that anything that's digital is necessarily bad because

1923
02:33:42,590 --> 02:33:46,710
it must be co-opted because they haven't actually taken the time to look at this and say oh wait

1924
02:33:46,710 --> 02:33:50,150
okay, Bitcoin can't be co-opted in that way.

1925
02:33:50,650 --> 02:33:52,271
It's just not possible.

1926
02:33:53,630 --> 02:33:54,630
But I don't know.

1927
02:33:55,351 --> 02:33:56,530
At the end of the day,

1928
02:33:57,110 --> 02:34:00,891
all the people that misunderstand Bitcoin constantly

1929
02:34:00,891 --> 02:34:03,790
give us an incredible counter signal

1930
02:34:03,790 --> 02:34:06,710
and tell us how early we still are.

1931
02:34:07,170 --> 02:34:09,570
The more gold bugs I see dunking on Bitcoin,

1932
02:34:10,090 --> 02:34:12,170
the more fucking trad fi

1933
02:34:12,170 --> 02:34:15,130
or just fucking retarded fiat economists I see,

1934
02:34:15,130 --> 02:34:18,330
the more Steve hankies I see dunking on Bitcoin,

1935
02:34:18,471 --> 02:34:19,051
I'm just like,

1936
02:34:19,230 --> 02:34:19,530
yes,

1937
02:34:20,391 --> 02:34:24,650
inject that directly into my veins because that is just incredible counter

1938
02:34:24,650 --> 02:34:25,051
signal.

1939
02:34:25,210 --> 02:34:26,690
Like I want more of that.

1940
02:34:26,790 --> 02:34:31,030
I want you to dance on Bitcoin's grave because it's just going to rise from

1941
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:32,990
the fucking ashes and burn your face off.

1942
02:34:33,051 --> 02:34:36,271
And then like wear your face as a small little fedora hat.

1943
02:34:38,150 --> 02:34:38,630
Yeah.

1944
02:34:38,830 --> 02:34:39,570
I don't know.

1945
02:34:39,570 --> 02:34:44,370
I think Bitcoin's at a stage now where,

1946
02:34:44,370 --> 02:34:47,311
and I don't want to be complacent here,

1947
02:34:47,351 --> 02:34:50,450
but like I believe that it's at a stage now

1948
02:34:50,450 --> 02:34:53,851
where like these fucking naysayers

1949
02:34:53,851 --> 02:34:56,130
just there's nothing they can do.

1950
02:34:57,070 --> 02:34:59,090
Like if China banning Bitcoin

1951
02:34:59,090 --> 02:35:00,271
however many times they did

1952
02:35:00,271 --> 02:35:01,090
and then banning mining,

1953
02:35:01,230 --> 02:35:03,351
if that didn't wreck Bitcoin,

1954
02:35:03,430 --> 02:35:05,030
if like one of the most authoritarian governments

1955
02:35:05,030 --> 02:35:06,271
in the world cracking down on it

1956
02:35:06,271 --> 02:35:07,670
didn't actually hurt Bitcoin

1957
02:35:07,670 --> 02:35:08,930
and actually made Bitcoin stronger,

1958
02:35:09,650 --> 02:35:11,551
then fuck like I'm just not too worried

1959
02:35:11,551 --> 02:35:13,391
about like these fucking Luddites.

1960
02:35:13,490 --> 02:35:13,910
You know what I mean?

1961
02:35:14,370 --> 02:35:17,730
it's just Luddite slop ultimately

1962
02:35:17,730 --> 02:35:21,650
yeah I'm not worried about them either

1963
02:35:21,650 --> 02:35:22,650
I just think it's interesting

1964
02:35:22,650 --> 02:35:23,771
I mean I think

1965
02:35:23,771 --> 02:35:27,730
yeah I don't know

1966
02:35:27,730 --> 02:35:29,630
if Bitcoin can be co-op

1967
02:35:29,630 --> 02:35:31,590
I just think it's important

1968
02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:33,870
for the

1969
02:35:33,870 --> 02:35:35,570
people

1970
02:35:35,570 --> 02:35:38,030
interacting with it

1971
02:35:38,030 --> 02:35:39,490
not to just like completely

1972
02:35:39,490 --> 02:35:40,971
turn their brains off and

1973
02:35:40,971 --> 02:35:41,930
you know

1974
02:35:41,930 --> 02:35:48,030
you get continue to be sucked into the matrix like that's the that's the future like there's um

1975
02:35:48,030 --> 02:35:52,811
i don't know what's going to happen i mean government's going to fall and they're going

1976
02:35:52,811 --> 02:35:58,950
to change and you know power structures are going to shift and uh you know the

1977
02:35:58,950 --> 02:36:06,690
the question is like just how how like crazy and tyrannical is the future going to look and

1978
02:36:06,690 --> 02:36:28,971
And, like, I think as long as individuals are willing to do things like Ben, you know, be active participants and, like, actually try and, you know, build things that, you know, support individual freedom.

1979
02:36:28,971 --> 02:36:34,971
might not look that different from how it has today,

1980
02:36:35,110 --> 02:36:37,630
but hopefully with softer economic times

1981
02:36:37,630 --> 02:36:40,950
and theoretically even could be better.

1982
02:36:44,051 --> 02:36:45,311
Yeah, I don't know.

1983
02:36:45,771 --> 02:36:46,570
Wait, wait, wait.

1984
02:36:47,430 --> 02:36:51,650
Lest we forget, you claim to have a Peony Lane wine

1985
02:36:51,650 --> 02:36:53,430
pleb slot pickup line.

1986
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:54,670
I actually don't know if it was pleb slot,

1987
02:36:54,670 --> 02:36:55,170
but you did.

1988
02:36:55,410 --> 02:36:57,290
We said we'd bring it back to this.

1989
02:36:57,290 --> 02:37:01,010
i think we need to bring it back now do you still have it is it still there dick

1990
02:37:01,010 --> 02:37:07,590
yeah i i did a i did a whole article on this um and i'm probably gonna you know expand on them as

1991
02:37:07,590 --> 02:37:13,730
i think about them but i did a bunch of plump slump pickup lines uh well you know one of my

1992
02:37:13,730 --> 02:37:22,051
favorites in in there is uh hey girl are you a penny lane wine because i can't stop drinking you

1993
02:37:22,051 --> 02:37:29,010
in or wait is it no it's like the more i drink in the better i feel the more i drink you and the

1994
02:37:29,010 --> 02:37:36,110
better i feel that's what it is i'm just i'm just hoping tatum turn up uses this line on on aubrey

1995
02:37:36,110 --> 02:37:40,430
struggle and if tatum happens to be listening to this right now i just like to say like shout out

1996
02:37:40,430 --> 02:37:47,311
to this king for pulling the bill ackman may i meet you line and it seems to be working it seems

1997
02:37:47,311 --> 02:37:53,530
to be working i'm just saying i'm rooting for tatum i i like he he's he's the true underdog

1998
02:37:53,530 --> 02:37:57,590
story he's he's he's the classic case of the podcaster doesn't want to admit he's a podcaster

1999
02:37:57,590 --> 02:38:03,750
a lot like ben he's claiming it's a show it's but it's a podcast everything is podcast and i just

2000
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:08,230
want to say tatum if you're listening right now i mean if you're not i'm gonna dm you after this

2001
02:38:08,230 --> 02:38:13,010
and tell you to listen to this last little bit i think we're all rooting for you right now you

2002
02:38:13,010 --> 02:38:20,670
know what i mean like a win for tatum is is a win for everyone in my book and tatum's getting ripped

2003
02:38:20,670 --> 02:38:27,290
but dude he's not gonna be an underdog for very long also the original it's not a podcaster so

2004
02:38:27,290 --> 02:38:31,650
shout out to shout out to him he really you know what my biggest problem with tatum is he doesn't

2005
02:38:31,650 --> 02:38:37,070
fucking release the awesome shit he films i don't know why where he keeps he's like fucking disney

2006
02:38:37,070 --> 02:38:42,170
keeps it in a fucking vault somewhere and releases it for a giant markup tatum needs his own

2007
02:38:42,170 --> 02:38:48,771
Tatum Plus streaming service that he can overcharge for and actually open up this vault.

2008
02:38:48,910 --> 02:38:51,930
Because the people need it, Tatum.

2009
02:38:52,130 --> 02:38:52,930
The people need it.

2010
02:38:53,610 --> 02:38:54,551
We want to see it.

2011
02:38:55,150 --> 02:39:00,190
We need the Tatum turn-up vibes to counteract all the pleb slop noise.

2012
02:39:01,771 --> 02:39:02,250
I don't know.

2013
02:39:02,250 --> 02:39:05,610
The market is primed for it.

2014
02:39:05,910 --> 02:39:08,910
And so I think it's really a perfect note to end on.

2015
02:39:08,971 --> 02:39:11,750
It's just a call to action for Tatum to say, you know what, Tatum?

2016
02:39:12,170 --> 02:39:12,811
It's time.

2017
02:39:13,170 --> 02:39:13,950
Open up the vault.

2018
02:39:14,710 --> 02:39:17,830
You've shot your shot with Aubrey.

2019
02:39:17,971 --> 02:39:19,811
We've all been rooting for it for so long.

2020
02:39:20,210 --> 02:39:20,730
It's amazing.

2021
02:39:21,590 --> 02:39:22,971
You pulled the May I Meet You.

2022
02:39:23,150 --> 02:39:24,010
It seems to work.

2023
02:39:24,351 --> 02:39:26,230
Now it's like, what do you have to lose?

2024
02:39:26,790 --> 02:39:27,830
Release that podcast.

2025
02:39:28,110 --> 02:39:30,391
And don't be afraid to call it a podcast.

2026
02:39:31,051 --> 02:39:33,950
Don't feel shame that you just made a podcast.

2027
02:39:33,950 --> 02:39:35,690
It's another fucking Bitcoin podcast.

2028
02:39:35,930 --> 02:39:36,730
Just own it.

2029
02:39:37,150 --> 02:39:37,971
That's okay.

2030
02:39:38,630 --> 02:39:39,391
That's enough.

2031
02:39:39,510 --> 02:39:40,891
And you are enough, Tatum.

2032
02:39:41,090 --> 02:39:41,990
You're more than enough.

2033
02:39:42,170 --> 02:39:45,130
And you're very tall and you're a great forklift operator.

2034
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:50,330
I don't know if you guys have any compliments you want to give Tatum.

2035
02:39:50,330 --> 02:39:51,910
I do have a question for you, Walker.

2036
02:39:55,070 --> 02:39:58,971
Sorry to bring the topic off of the majesty that is Tatum,

2037
02:39:58,971 --> 02:40:02,650
but I noticed you have, I'm not sure if that's an aerator

2038
02:40:02,650 --> 02:40:06,130
or a pouring extender on your wine.

2039
02:40:06,290 --> 02:40:09,391
I'm wondering if you notice a difference on,

2040
02:40:09,391 --> 02:40:16,851
like if you poured if you poured two glass open a cork pour two glasses one with that one without

2041
02:40:16,851 --> 02:40:21,311
i wonder if you notice the difference i'm curious i do and let me clarify this that i'm not some

2042
02:40:21,311 --> 02:40:25,870
like super wine connoisseur but i sure do enjoy wine dude everyone couches their wine knowledge

2043
02:40:25,870 --> 02:40:30,830
do you notice a difference do you like yes yes yes i do i notice a difference i find that especially

2044
02:40:30,830 --> 02:40:37,971
with your wine if i aerate it a little bit or if i pour a glass and i let it just sit a little bit

2045
02:40:37,971 --> 02:40:42,370
and be exposed to the air, I find that I enjoy it far, far more.

2046
02:40:42,551 --> 02:40:46,990
I enjoy it either way, but I find with a little bit more air exposure,

2047
02:40:47,210 --> 02:40:49,070
I enjoy it even more.

2048
02:40:49,510 --> 02:40:52,610
And so that's why I actually specifically ordered this a couple days ago

2049
02:40:52,610 --> 02:40:56,210
because I was like, I know that I like to have Ben's wine

2050
02:40:56,210 --> 02:40:58,690
a little bit more opened up to the air.

2051
02:40:59,351 --> 02:41:01,771
I don't like waiting to drink Ben's wine,

2052
02:41:02,190 --> 02:41:05,051
so why not get a little aerator for this thing

2053
02:41:05,051 --> 02:41:08,311
and make the magic happen just in real time.

2054
02:41:08,610 --> 02:41:09,771
And I'm quite pleased with it.

2055
02:41:09,891 --> 02:41:13,290
Thank you, Jeff Bezos, for making this American dream

2056
02:41:13,290 --> 02:41:17,030
of drinking Ben Justman's Bitcoin wine as soon as possible.

2057
02:41:17,570 --> 02:41:19,811
As soon as I open that bottle, I want to be drinking it.

2058
02:41:20,230 --> 02:41:21,811
And Jeff Bezos has made it possible.

2059
02:41:22,570 --> 02:41:24,351
He's launching rocket ships into space.

2060
02:41:24,851 --> 02:41:25,811
He's getting jacked.

2061
02:41:26,530 --> 02:41:30,551
He's dosing TRT, and he's making your wine more enjoyable.

2062
02:41:30,551 --> 02:41:32,090
Is there anything this man can't do?

2063
02:41:32,090 --> 02:41:36,250
He's putting a century clock, a millennium clock inside a mountain,

2064
02:41:36,250 --> 02:41:40,891
and he's making Ben Justman's Bitcoin wine, if it's possible,

2065
02:41:41,271 --> 02:41:45,510
just a little bit better, at least easier to enjoy faster, I should say.

2066
02:41:45,930 --> 02:41:50,110
So, yeah, I do not couching my own preferences.

2067
02:41:50,570 --> 02:41:52,670
I like it when it's opened up a little bit more.

2068
02:41:53,450 --> 02:41:53,910
That's me.

2069
02:41:54,730 --> 02:41:54,891
Yeah.

2070
02:41:55,551 --> 02:41:59,811
And my wine opens up faster because it doesn't have all the preservatives in it,

2071
02:41:59,811 --> 02:42:01,430
so it's going to react to oxygen more.

2072
02:42:01,430 --> 02:42:09,271
that it does or sooner um so yeah jeff bezos is basically the jack d'lon musk um who doesn't have

2073
02:42:09,271 --> 02:42:15,570
a million kids i don't know there's like alpha male on either side man does jeff bezos have kids

2074
02:42:15,570 --> 02:42:22,750
he's got he's got to have kids right like he must have kids right like with old uh old mackenzie

2075
02:42:22,750 --> 02:42:28,370
bezos right that was his wife that she's got like half his his money and she donates three

2076
02:42:28,370 --> 02:42:29,190
Like a bunch of...

2077
02:42:29,190 --> 02:42:30,070
Three sons and a daughter.

2078
02:42:30,690 --> 02:42:31,090
Okay.

2079
02:42:31,551 --> 02:42:32,771
Well, so he's not doing too bad.

2080
02:42:32,811 --> 02:42:33,510
Adopted from China.

2081
02:42:34,410 --> 02:42:35,750
Daughters adopted from China.

2082
02:42:36,051 --> 02:42:36,590
Well, okay.

2083
02:42:36,690 --> 02:42:39,030
That's, I mean, you know, I'm not going to fault the guy for that.

2084
02:42:39,950 --> 02:42:45,410
But he's, I mean, Elon's got, I think he's got him by like, I don't know, 10 kids or so at this point.

2085
02:42:45,830 --> 02:42:50,250
It's like, it's, it's why he really takes the birthright thing seriously.

2086
02:42:50,250 --> 02:42:52,730
It's like, he's like, I'm doing it myself, you know?

2087
02:42:52,830 --> 02:42:57,170
But I guess if you have that much money, it's like, I mean, you know, like.

2088
02:42:58,370 --> 02:42:59,090
You may as well.

2089
02:43:00,690 --> 02:43:03,410
Many shots on goal for the future is possible, I guess.

2090
02:43:03,410 --> 02:43:09,670
You miss 100% of the children you don't make, as Wayne Gretzky said.

2091
02:43:11,570 --> 02:43:17,650
Do you think Bezos' adopted daughter from China is a CCP honeypot,

2092
02:43:17,750 --> 02:43:18,670
like Gloria Zhao?

2093
02:43:21,351 --> 02:43:23,570
Wait, Ben, do you even – I'm just curious, Ben.

2094
02:43:23,570 --> 02:43:30,051
do you when when dick just said that does all of that sentence make sense to you

2095
02:43:30,870 --> 02:43:36,430
yeah it does so you're aware of the narrative i've been following okay i've been following

2096
02:43:36,430 --> 02:43:43,150
long i just don't feel like so you are aware and thus your silence is in fact violence wow oh

2097
02:43:43,150 --> 02:43:50,210
absolutely caught in the but also if you can't be passive against a violent system you have to

2098
02:43:50,210 --> 02:43:55,811
speak with violence or you have to engage in a little violence. Like, I don't know. We talk about

2099
02:43:55,811 --> 02:44:02,210
Bitcoin as the peaceful resistance, but, uh, I'm talking to myself in the circles here. I don't

2100
02:44:02,210 --> 02:44:07,551
think Bitcoin's violence. I've, that was like the early pleb slop arguments that I got into was

2101
02:44:07,551 --> 02:44:12,471
whether Bitcoin was violence or not. I don't think it is. I'm at this stage right now where my son is

2102
02:44:12,471 --> 02:44:18,710
like, he's going to be a real big, like, like I'm almost Tatum turn up tall already. Not quite. And

2103
02:44:18,710 --> 02:44:21,650
I don't drive a forklift, so I'm 0 for 2 there.

2104
02:44:22,610 --> 02:44:24,330
But I'm a reasonably tall man.

2105
02:44:24,630 --> 02:44:28,030
My son is going to probably have me by a few inches.

2106
02:44:28,030 --> 02:44:31,630
I think he's going to be in the 6'6 range if I had to guess,

2107
02:44:31,790 --> 02:44:35,410
judging by his 99-plus percentile readings right now.

2108
02:44:35,971 --> 02:44:41,590
And I'm like, that's great because ideally I want you to live in this peaceful,

2109
02:44:42,410 --> 02:44:44,851
utopian, hyper-Bitcoinized world.

2110
02:44:44,851 --> 02:44:56,870
but but if it ends up in sort of like the you know the mad max scenario like you're big enough

2111
02:44:56,870 --> 02:45:03,630
to be a warlord son like you you can you can control a lot of water supply with with a frame

2112
02:45:03,630 --> 02:45:07,610
that large you know and so that's really what kind of just what i'm it's like i think that's what

2113
02:45:07,610 --> 02:45:12,771
as men we really need to be striving for for for our kids especially our sons at this point is like

2114
02:45:12,771 --> 02:45:16,710
prepare them for both eventualities.

2115
02:45:16,710 --> 02:45:23,690
Like maybe, maybe everything's all good and we're hyper Bitcoinized and it's all like

2116
02:45:23,690 --> 02:45:24,650
kumbaya motherfucker.

2117
02:45:25,910 --> 02:45:34,230
And maybe, maybe you, you know, things are going to get pretty dark and like they certainly

2118
02:45:34,230 --> 02:45:34,990
are going to be dark.

2119
02:45:35,070 --> 02:45:37,030
It's really just a question of like the timescale.

2120
02:45:37,170 --> 02:45:37,551
Right.

2121
02:45:37,950 --> 02:45:41,410
And so I think it's important to be prepared for both eventualities and like having large

2122
02:45:41,410 --> 02:45:45,351
offspring, I think is just like, that's just good policy. Ultimately.

2123
02:45:45,630 --> 02:45:47,530
It's like, you want to, you, you want to breed it.

2124
02:45:47,570 --> 02:45:52,250
You want to breed them big if you can, if you can. And, and just, you know,

2125
02:45:52,351 --> 02:45:54,610
you just got to prepare them, right?

2126
02:45:54,830 --> 02:45:56,450
Because you never know what's going to happen in this world.

2127
02:45:58,150 --> 02:46:02,490
Walker, don't you live in a place where that tick that makes you allergic to

2128
02:46:02,490 --> 02:46:05,110
red meat lives? No, dude, that's Texas.

2129
02:46:05,530 --> 02:46:07,250
We don't have the Lone Star. That's just Texas.

2130
02:46:07,610 --> 02:46:11,110
It's like pretty much just Texas. Like, uh, did you know,

2131
02:46:11,110 --> 02:46:17,830
fuck who was I talking to about this the other day the so it's the lone star tick and the scientist

2132
02:46:17,830 --> 02:46:26,271
who actually like confirmed this like there was all these outbreaks this giant giant just like

2133
02:46:26,271 --> 02:46:33,070
outbreak a rash whatever you want to call it of people getting violently sick

2134
02:46:33,070 --> 02:46:39,930
after like eating red meat and they're like we don't know what it is and this one university of

2135
02:46:39,987 --> 02:46:46,207
is like, oh, I'm pretty sure like if I overlay these different maps, the only thing that

2136
02:46:46,207 --> 02:46:49,527
overlays with this is this one particular Lone Star Ticks territory.

2137
02:46:50,287 --> 02:46:54,007
And it like overlays perfectly, like literally perfectly.

2138
02:46:54,987 --> 02:46:56,147
And you're like, I don't know.

2139
02:46:56,207 --> 02:46:56,867
I don't know about that.

2140
02:46:56,907 --> 02:46:57,847
It seems kind of far fetched.

2141
02:46:57,887 --> 02:46:59,827
And so he's like, all right, well, I'm just going to go in.

2142
02:47:00,067 --> 02:47:02,527
I'm going to go into the countryside.

2143
02:47:02,767 --> 02:47:06,227
I'm going to get myself bit by one of these ticks and I'm going to see if I get allergic

2144
02:47:06,227 --> 02:47:07,447
to meat for life.

2145
02:47:08,447 --> 02:47:09,187
And he did.

2146
02:47:09,187 --> 02:47:16,627
and he was and they're like oh yeah okay guess but like what a fucking like taking one for the team

2147
02:47:16,627 --> 02:47:21,787
man like that's a that's a sacrifice being literally just being like i'm pretty fucking

2148
02:47:21,787 --> 02:47:26,267
positive that if i go out and get bit by this tick i'll never be able to eat red meat again

2149
02:47:26,267 --> 02:47:32,247
and then doing it and being like yep i was right can't ever eat red meat again like but i did it

2150
02:47:32,247 --> 02:47:38,347
for science like fuck man that's like that's some hardcore shit talking like taking one for the team

2151
02:47:38,347 --> 02:47:40,007
that is true sacrifice right there.

2152
02:47:40,407 --> 02:47:41,467
I don't know if I could do it,

2153
02:47:41,687 --> 02:47:42,527
but I'm not a scientist.

2154
02:47:42,647 --> 02:47:43,387
I'm a podcaster,

2155
02:47:43,687 --> 02:47:44,007
you know?

2156
02:47:44,367 --> 02:47:46,007
So say,

2157
02:47:46,087 --> 02:47:46,907
take that as you will.

2158
02:47:47,207 --> 02:47:47,467
But it's,

2159
02:47:47,587 --> 02:47:48,547
that shit's scary,

2160
02:47:48,607 --> 02:47:48,767
man.

2161
02:47:49,067 --> 02:47:53,047
That's legitimately like I've had Lyme disease before from deer ticks.

2162
02:47:53,787 --> 02:47:55,207
Cause I'm from bumble fuck Norville,

2163
02:47:55,267 --> 02:47:55,607
Wisconsin.

2164
02:47:56,207 --> 02:47:56,767
And like,

2165
02:47:56,767 --> 02:47:57,307
you just like,

2166
02:47:57,347 --> 02:47:58,387
you just get it there.

2167
02:47:58,707 --> 02:48:00,667
And it is a fucking worst.

2168
02:48:00,807 --> 02:48:01,407
Like you will.

2169
02:48:01,567 --> 02:48:01,707
I,

2170
02:48:01,907 --> 02:48:03,447
it's really bad.

2171
02:48:04,027 --> 02:48:05,887
I lost a shitload of like,

2172
02:48:05,947 --> 02:48:06,367
I don't know,

2173
02:48:06,367 --> 02:48:07,987
probably like 20 pounds.

2174
02:48:08,347 --> 02:48:11,847
Uh, when, when I had it, it was like, I was a teenager at that time.

2175
02:48:12,447 --> 02:48:15,747
Got just like, had some like fucking weird visions, felt like I was tripping.

2176
02:48:16,267 --> 02:48:21,047
Watched every James Bond movie ever made though on Turner classic movies at the time.

2177
02:48:21,047 --> 02:48:26,427
You, you young folks won't even know what Turner classic movies is TCM, but boy, it was great.

2178
02:48:26,767 --> 02:48:31,087
Uh, favorite James Bond, obviously Sean Connery.

2179
02:48:31,167 --> 02:48:32,607
I don't think that's even up for debate.

2180
02:48:33,187 --> 02:48:38,127
Uh, worst one, probably Timothy Dalton, but I digress.

2181
02:48:38,127 --> 02:48:40,587
The point is fucking ticks suck.

2182
02:48:41,147 --> 02:48:42,127
I don't know.

2183
02:48:42,267 --> 02:48:45,147
I don't know why they exist, but they fucking suck.

2184
02:48:45,547 --> 02:48:47,307
They are just the absolute worst.

2185
02:48:47,547 --> 02:48:53,047
So don't get bit by a Lone Star tick or a deer tick because it's going to make your life fucking hell.

2186
02:48:53,747 --> 02:48:54,627
Specifically the Lone Star.

2187
02:48:55,307 --> 02:48:57,667
You said you used to have Lyme disease.

2188
02:48:57,927 --> 02:48:58,767
You reversed it.

2189
02:48:59,347 --> 02:49:04,187
You know, there's this there's this misnomer that Lyme disease is always chronic.

2190
02:49:04,187 --> 02:49:05,847
Like if you get it, you're stuck with it for life.

2191
02:49:05,847 --> 02:49:06,647
This is not true.

2192
02:49:06,647 --> 02:49:11,707
like these like these same sort of people i think think that if you get covid once you automatically

2193
02:49:11,707 --> 02:49:18,247
like have this like long covid thing it's just not true like i the people who get chronic lyme

2194
02:49:18,247 --> 02:49:23,927
disease like i know somebody one of my buddy's dads was a forester like for the dnr and so he

2195
02:49:23,927 --> 02:49:28,667
was literally out in the woods like like literally every day in the deep woods and he got i don't

2196
02:49:28,667 --> 02:49:36,127
know got it like a dozen or you know couple dozen times i got got it so many times and was like then

2197
02:49:36,127 --> 02:49:40,627
always had it kind of low level in his, it was like, if he was ever tested for it,

2198
02:49:40,627 --> 02:49:44,767
he'd always have it in his system. The average person, if you, as long as you catch it quick

2199
02:49:44,767 --> 02:49:50,047
enough. And I was actually misdiagnosed by some fucking retard doctor, uh, in my podunk town.

2200
02:49:50,627 --> 02:49:54,067
Uh, and, and like told me I had something different. He's like, you just got to wait it

2201
02:49:54,067 --> 02:49:58,127
out. Like wait it out for a few days. Shit got really bad. And like happened to have a doctor

2202
02:49:58,127 --> 02:50:01,447
who lived in my street, who wasn't a dumb ass. And he was like, you obviously have Lyme disease.

2203
02:50:01,447 --> 02:50:04,747
You should just take antibiotics and this will be fixed up in like a couple of days. And that's

2204
02:50:04,747 --> 02:50:10,047
what happens if you take antibiotics and you catch it reasonably early you're totally fine

2205
02:50:10,047 --> 02:50:14,147
where you get a new problem is if you don't catch it early if you have a retard doctor who tells you

2206
02:50:14,147 --> 02:50:18,467
it's nothing to worry about and shake it off or it's some other thing and you go like weeks on end

2207
02:50:18,467 --> 02:50:24,247
or months on end without being treated you don't get antibiotics you you you could be fucked but

2208
02:50:24,247 --> 02:50:29,347
like it is literally like it is cleared up like fucking within a couple of days with an basic

2209
02:50:29,347 --> 02:50:35,627
antibiotic regimen but so like not everybody who gets it has chronic lyme if that answers your

2210
02:50:35,627 --> 02:50:41,887
question it does fucking yeah that's interesting it fucking sucks i just don't know a lot about it

2211
02:50:41,887 --> 02:50:47,887
i knew a guy one time that talked about having chronic lyme disease so that that was kind of

2212
02:50:47,887 --> 02:50:55,607
what informed me asking him a bunch of questions is kind of what informed it's interesting it

2213
02:50:55,607 --> 02:51:01,887
really does suck and the okay like the lone star tick thing is one of those things where i'm like

2214
02:51:01,887 --> 02:51:09,287
this is just a little too convenient right like did bill gates and this tick have a talk

2215
02:51:09,287 --> 02:51:15,747
and they're like you know what you know maybe you should just make these people like beyond

2216
02:51:15,747 --> 02:51:20,667
meat a little bit their stock price is going to zero because nobody wants it but what if they had

2217
02:51:20,667 --> 02:51:26,747
to eat it because they'll just die if they eat red meat. I don't know. Some of it's just a little

2218
02:51:26,747 --> 02:51:33,167
bit too convenient. Maybe it's the Scientologists too. I don't know. I don't know anymore, guys.

2219
02:51:33,427 --> 02:51:39,407
I don't know. But what I do know is we've been on here, guys, for almost three hours. This was a

2220
02:51:39,407 --> 02:51:44,807
proper podcast. I'll say that. I've enjoyed this thoroughly, gentlemen. I really have. I'm glad we

2221
02:51:44,807 --> 02:51:49,687
do this. I'm going to keep doing this anytime my wife is either out of town or asleep, I think,

2222
02:51:49,687 --> 02:52:01,599
and Bitcoin is dumping If Bitcoin ripping I don think it appropriate to do these kind of shows That not the vibe that I want right Then it becomes too much pleb slop I want to do

2223
02:52:01,599 --> 02:52:08,379
these when people are just sad and depressed. I want to encourage them to drink Peony Lane wine

2224
02:52:08,379 --> 02:52:19,939
because it's not slop if you're sloppy. I don't know. Ben, I'll come up with some better ones.

2225
02:52:20,259 --> 02:52:26,299
Peony. No, just keep going. Peony lane wine. More like. It's great. Pee on my lane wine.

2226
02:52:27,299 --> 02:52:33,639
Nope. Shit. Okay. I'll outsource some of this to Tatum. He's the marketing guru here,

2227
02:52:34,139 --> 02:52:38,619
but guys, anything. Oh, he's killed it for me. Yeah. Is there, is there anything else

2228
02:52:38,619 --> 02:52:42,959
that you guys want to say before we close things out? This, this has been, you know,

2229
02:52:42,959 --> 02:52:48,919
for people who think podcasting is easy, you try drinking delicious wine and talking to cool people

2230
02:52:48,919 --> 02:52:50,259
for three hours straight.

2231
02:52:51,459 --> 02:52:52,799
And I mean that you should.

2232
02:52:52,859 --> 02:52:54,019
You should try doing that.

2233
02:52:54,319 --> 02:52:55,579
You should absolutely do that.

2234
02:52:55,639 --> 02:52:57,359
You should start a Bitcoin podcast, please.

2235
02:52:58,059 --> 02:53:01,699
Like, I will come on your Bitcoin podcast immediately.

2236
02:53:02,139 --> 02:53:03,679
I will be happy to support you.

2237
02:53:03,679 --> 02:53:06,699
Start a Bitcoin podcast or start any podcast, honestly.

2238
02:53:07,179 --> 02:53:09,879
Start a podcast about wine if you want to.

2239
02:53:10,539 --> 02:53:13,459
Start a podcast about the Mormon soak like Ben has.

2240
02:53:13,819 --> 02:53:16,419
It has nothing to do with wine, all to do with Mormon soaking.

2241
02:53:16,419 --> 02:53:23,259
uh you know start a podcast about what real journalism is like like dick has and start a

2242
02:53:23,259 --> 02:53:29,779
podcast about what's behind the podcast like like dick and rod also have just start a podcast

2243
02:53:29,779 --> 02:53:37,999
you are the media now like you can't let alex jones have all the fun give it a shot you guys

2244
02:53:37,999 --> 02:53:41,959
want to end with anything anything else that's that's tickling your uh tickling your fancy

2245
02:53:41,959 --> 02:53:50,439
yeah i want to i want to shout out a couple people um that i think are doing interesting

2246
02:53:50,439 --> 02:54:00,059
things uh my buddy avi burra just wrote his second book called uh july 18th so his post

2247
02:54:00,059 --> 02:54:08,279
on twitter says uh i wrote a surrealist literary and philosophical epic about the world bitcoin

2248
02:54:08,279 --> 02:54:17,439
makes possible i've yet to read it it's on my list i gotta go read his first book he said he's

2249
02:54:17,439 --> 02:54:23,959
working on his uh third book in the installment i think it's cool i think he's a good storyteller

2250
02:54:23,959 --> 02:54:31,739
he's doing some cool stuff with his uh finding home it's all series and then uh my friend noah

2251
02:54:31,739 --> 02:54:41,899
is currently touring playing uh she's on twitter she's on nostr uh but she's touring

2252
02:54:41,899 --> 02:54:50,559
doing uh like 14 000 people stadiums in europe right now that's pretty cool she's incredibly

2253
02:54:50,559 --> 02:54:57,659
talented musician uh one of the best in the world i think the best in bitcoin i think she's the best

2254
02:54:57,659 --> 02:55:06,159
musician in bitcoin as a singer and uh she she's also conducts a choir yeah she's so talented but

2255
02:55:06,159 --> 02:55:16,559
yeah check her out um scardust right yeah scardust yeah and and then uh yeah ben here

2256
02:55:16,559 --> 02:55:23,219
ben's telling compelling stories i didn't even know about your uh your show you're doing so i'm

2257
02:55:23,219 --> 02:55:25,919
I have to figure out how to get my Nostra thing working.

2258
02:55:27,899 --> 02:55:30,099
What are you talking about getting your Nostra thing working?

2259
02:55:30,219 --> 02:55:31,939
Who have I been tagging this whole time?

2260
02:55:33,959 --> 02:55:34,439
What?

2261
02:55:35,299 --> 02:55:36,079
Have you not been?

2262
02:55:36,079 --> 02:55:36,819
I'm on there.

2263
02:55:36,979 --> 02:55:43,379
I'm just like, I'm talking about the process of waiting five minutes for it to load on my typewriter.

2264
02:55:44,319 --> 02:55:46,279
Just typical Nostra stuff.

2265
02:55:46,919 --> 02:55:48,459
Not literally five minutes.

2266
02:55:48,579 --> 02:55:49,479
I'm exaggerating.

2267
02:55:49,479 --> 02:55:57,319
but yeah you know uh well you know we were actually streaming to zap dot stream at one

2268
02:55:57,319 --> 02:56:01,479
point here and for some reason it dropped off it may still have to do with the cloud flare issue

2269
02:56:01,479 --> 02:56:08,779
i don't know um but all i do know is that while no start which i identify as a noster sayer not

2270
02:56:08,779 --> 02:56:12,519
a nostor sayer but that's just me i like to pronounce things correctly like hodl not hodl

2271
02:56:12,519 --> 02:56:19,399
unless he identifies as such which is again i respect that but while x was down this morning

2272
02:56:19,399 --> 02:56:21,979
I was still able to post on Noster

2273
02:56:21,979 --> 02:56:23,919
about how X was down

2274
02:56:23,919 --> 02:56:26,259
and I think it's an important thing to point out

2275
02:56:26,259 --> 02:56:28,259
that like X is the place that people

2276
02:56:28,259 --> 02:56:30,259
would go to talk about other sites being down

2277
02:56:30,259 --> 02:56:32,299
where is the place that you go to talk

2278
02:56:32,299 --> 02:56:33,919
about X being down? Well it's Noster

2279
02:56:33,919 --> 02:56:36,479
that's a little bit of a signal right there

2280
02:56:36,479 --> 02:56:37,939
but Ben

2281
02:56:37,939 --> 02:56:40,359
what do you want to end with?

2282
02:56:40,759 --> 02:56:41,739
people should check out

2283
02:56:41,739 --> 02:56:43,619
it's peenielanewine.com

2284
02:56:43,619 --> 02:56:46,299
and if you do forward slash bitcoin you can just fucking pay

2285
02:56:46,299 --> 02:56:47,879
in bitcoin right there

2286
02:56:47,879 --> 02:56:52,519
you ship mostly all over the US

2287
02:56:52,519 --> 02:56:54,439
you don't ship abroad

2288
02:56:54,439 --> 02:56:56,319
right because of the fucking laws

2289
02:56:56,319 --> 02:56:58,399
and fucking the state being a

2290
02:56:58,399 --> 02:57:00,179
being a fucking bitch

2291
02:57:00,179 --> 02:57:02,159
correct

2292
02:57:02,159 --> 02:57:03,939
I looked into shipping to Canada

2293
02:57:03,939 --> 02:57:23,191
as I been asked by a lot of Canadian Bitcoiners and the only way I shipped there was one time i shipped to canada and it was because the dude had his best friend like ran an import company so i i had a alcohol lawyer look into it

2294
02:57:23,191 --> 02:57:27,331
for me it's just it's not going to happen they don't want my wine why do we have alcohol we don't

2295
02:57:27,331 --> 02:57:32,151
need alcohol fucking lawyers just make the laws better for fuck's sake jesus christ it's not

2296
02:57:32,151 --> 02:57:36,771
fucking prohibition for christ's sake let the alcohol flow let the cigarettes let the cigarettes

2297
02:57:36,771 --> 02:57:42,091
burn jesus christ get the state out of our fucking business sorry continue people think it's like

2298
02:57:42,091 --> 02:57:50,451
it's regressive and it's just like all these old laws uh states like utah get the you know the mean

2299
02:57:50,451 --> 02:57:56,331
thought that everyone has but um starting i believe in the beginning of 2024 it might have

2300
02:57:56,331 --> 02:58:02,131
been the beginning of 2025 virginia changed its laws so um legally not allowed to ship to virginia

2301
02:58:02,131 --> 02:58:07,531
and you know it's like yeah the frustration is like dude why don't you ship to me it's like i

2302
02:58:07,531 --> 02:58:12,711
would love to dude uh they don't want you to enjoy my wine they want to protect that their

2303
02:58:12,711 --> 02:58:19,731
talk to the fucking government fuck yeah but the the thing i'm most psyched about is nostre these

2304
02:58:19,731 --> 02:58:27,371
days um really kind of just in thinking deep about it and a little bit projecting you know i mean

2305
02:58:27,371 --> 02:58:34,531
And it is relatively slow, but something beautiful about it is my Primal has sucked all day to day.

2306
02:58:34,931 --> 02:58:39,131
Nothing has loaded, but I just moved to Amethyst and things moved.

2307
02:58:39,131 --> 02:58:43,191
And I saw some cool new features that I hadn't used with Amethyst in a while.

2308
02:58:45,891 --> 02:58:54,851
And to me, thinking about Nostra these days, it's like Nostra is the owned media.

2309
02:58:54,851 --> 02:59:04,331
Like it's a combination of email and social media where you have the scaling of social media and you have the owned audience of email.

2310
02:59:04,911 --> 02:59:10,391
And you don't have to like have a cucked social media account to be able to survive.

2311
02:59:10,871 --> 02:59:12,891
I saw that beer right after the one.

2312
02:59:12,891 --> 02:59:17,991
No, it was just because I had a little – there was a little bit of sediments at the bottom because it's so natural.

2313
02:59:17,991 --> 02:59:22,451
And I just needed the cool, refreshing taste of a fine Pilsner beer.

2314
02:59:22,971 --> 02:59:24,791
Miller Lite, 96 calories.

2315
02:59:24,911 --> 02:59:25,631
Flip that upside down.

2316
02:59:25,831 --> 02:59:26,531
You know what it is.

2317
02:59:26,571 --> 02:59:27,151
It's 69.

2318
02:59:28,191 --> 02:59:32,911
Miller Lite, please sponsor this podcast by sending me a palate of your fine Pilsner beer.

2319
02:59:33,191 --> 02:59:33,911
Please continue, Ben.

2320
02:59:35,231 --> 02:59:37,631
It's not a conflict of interest because they're a beer, not a wine.

2321
02:59:37,631 --> 02:59:37,931
I can tell you we're practicing the bill or shill.

2322
02:59:39,131 --> 02:59:41,031
It's not a conflict of interest, just so you know.

2323
02:59:41,431 --> 02:59:42,051
They're a beer.

2324
02:59:42,211 --> 02:59:42,531
It's cool.

2325
02:59:42,671 --> 02:59:42,971
It's cool.

2326
02:59:43,131 --> 02:59:43,791
Continue, please.

2327
02:59:47,011 --> 02:59:48,451
Well, I don't know.

2328
02:59:48,551 --> 02:59:50,851
Anyways, it's just like the opportunity.

2329
02:59:50,851 --> 02:59:58,991
If you're trying to build something and you want to be an early adopter, you have to be on Nostra, especially if you're in the Bitcoin world.

2330
02:59:59,411 --> 03:00:00,091
And I'm curious.

2331
03:00:00,651 --> 03:00:03,291
Well, actually, I have one last thing, and I have a question for Dick.

2332
03:00:05,131 --> 03:00:08,851
My bottom indicator fired on all signals today.

2333
03:00:09,351 --> 03:00:18,811
My sister sent me this long Think Girl tweet basically saying why Bitcoin was down and how it has so much further to go.

2334
03:00:18,811 --> 03:00:30,491
And the line that stuck out to me early on was in the last two weeks, the entire macro narrative of why Bitcoin was worth $126,000 has completely disappeared.

2335
03:00:30,491 --> 03:00:43,611
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here seeing a dysfunctional government, seeing $38 trillion debt, seeing how the liquidity has just been sucked out of the system and they need to print.

2336
03:00:43,611 --> 03:00:49,771
Like every reason for Bitcoin to be worth $10 million is just firing so much harder.

2337
03:00:51,131 --> 03:00:59,411
The one thing that gives me pause is that for the first time ever, my dad timed it right.

2338
03:00:59,691 --> 03:01:04,931
He told me I should be taking some risk off right around the top.

2339
03:01:05,831 --> 03:01:07,151
And I didn't listen.

2340
03:01:08,291 --> 03:01:10,891
So we'll see where things land.

2341
03:01:10,891 --> 03:01:12,591
But, Dick, anyways, my question.

2342
03:01:13,531 --> 03:01:17,891
If you got a sponsorship from Marlboro, would you consider it selling out?

2343
03:01:18,711 --> 03:01:19,631
Yeah, I would.

2344
03:01:20,791 --> 03:01:22,131
I'm in it for the love of the game.

2345
03:01:22,591 --> 03:01:23,871
What if they paid you in kind?

2346
03:01:24,291 --> 03:01:25,631
Like, they paid you in cigs.

2347
03:01:27,691 --> 03:01:28,771
No fiat involved.

2348
03:01:29,071 --> 03:01:31,291
Just a pallid of cigs shows up at your door, and they're like,

2349
03:01:31,491 --> 03:01:33,671
we just want you to keep smoking them, brother.

2350
03:01:33,671 --> 03:01:40,551
as long as they were non-KYC

2351
03:01:40,551 --> 03:01:42,131
I'd probably accept that but I

2352
03:01:42,131 --> 03:01:44,371
would just like they don't even check your ID

2353
03:01:44,371 --> 03:01:46,411
at the door they're like we don't fucking care

2354
03:01:46,411 --> 03:01:47,291
dude we're Marlboro

2355
03:01:47,291 --> 03:01:48,311
like

2356
03:01:48,311 --> 03:01:50,751
then

2357
03:01:50,751 --> 03:01:53,631
I mean

2358
03:01:53,631 --> 03:01:54,991
they would have to

2359
03:01:54,991 --> 03:01:58,271
drop like pallets of them

2360
03:01:58,271 --> 03:01:59,991
on my house with like helicopters

2361
03:01:59,991 --> 03:02:01,031
for it to

2362
03:02:01,031 --> 03:02:03,491
that's my

2363
03:02:03,491 --> 03:02:08,531
that's my coffee i smoke a lot of cigarettes like it's not we're not talking about a few

2364
03:02:08,531 --> 03:02:16,371
cartons here but um yeah i don't know could i could i do a could i do a sales pitch for

2365
03:02:16,371 --> 03:02:33,682
for pony lane yeah how do you say it p on p on me lane p on me lane p on me lane now it p on me me I had too much By the way I just finished the bottle which means the timing has been perfect

2366
03:02:34,262 --> 03:02:36,742
It's the Miller Lite that's making you sloppy.

2367
03:02:37,262 --> 03:02:37,682
It's true.

2368
03:02:37,942 --> 03:02:40,782
The peony lane has me feeling an incredible sense of clarity.

2369
03:02:41,602 --> 03:02:44,602
And I'm a little bit more resistant to pleb slop, honestly.

2370
03:02:45,082 --> 03:02:46,722
I think that's the best part about it.

2371
03:02:46,722 --> 03:02:49,922
It develops a natural resistance to pleb slop,

2372
03:02:50,042 --> 03:02:54,122
forming almost like a warm membrane around oneself

2373
03:02:54,122 --> 03:02:57,242
that allows you to resist the noise of the pleb slop.

2374
03:02:57,822 --> 03:03:00,802
But wait, Dick, what's your, or did you mean in the future

2375
03:03:00,802 --> 03:03:03,122
do a P&L sales pitch?

2376
03:03:03,122 --> 03:03:04,462
Not right now.

2377
03:03:04,462 --> 03:03:04,782
What do you mean right now?

2378
03:03:04,882 --> 03:03:05,202
Imprompted.

2379
03:03:05,562 --> 03:03:06,482
Fucking do it.

2380
03:03:07,622 --> 03:03:10,042
Folks, the holiday seasons are coming up.

2381
03:03:10,962 --> 03:03:15,422
You're going to have to bear through dealing with your family members

2382
03:03:15,422 --> 03:03:19,822
that have stupid opinions on things it's going to be painful

2383
03:03:19,822 --> 03:03:29,742
but pony laying the line can help you bear through it not only that it's a great present

2384
03:03:29,742 --> 03:03:37,142
to give to your family members if you want to talk to them about bitcoin but not come off as just like

2385
03:03:37,142 --> 03:03:48,382
a uh foaming at the mouth rabbit orange cell ben is currently selling a very cool looking bottle

2386
03:03:48,382 --> 03:03:55,222
black bottle with a little bitcoin logo that might you get a you get them a little bit uh

2387
03:03:55,222 --> 03:04:00,202
tipsy on some wine they're looking at the bottle they have to keep on looking at the bitcoin

2388
03:04:00,202 --> 03:04:10,062
simple it might open up the ability to have a conversation with them also it's great

2389
03:04:10,062 --> 03:04:16,202
to you you can you can mix i gave a pleb slot pickup line on the show tonight

2390
03:04:16,202 --> 03:04:24,102
you can use that pleb slot pickup line on a girl and she can ask she'll ask you well what is pony

2391
03:04:24,102 --> 03:04:31,482
lean wine say well i've got something at home you want me to show you there

2392
03:04:31,482 --> 03:04:44,542
it is a company ran on legacy it is a individual who's telling a compelling story

2393
03:04:44,542 --> 03:04:51,282
and if you actually believe that bitcoin's money if you've been stomping your feet up and down

2394
03:04:51,282 --> 03:04:58,683
you're shitting on gloria you know you're mad about udi and the spammers prove show the world

2395
03:04:58,683 --> 03:05:08,482
bitcoin is money buy some wine today if you don't buy peony lane wine you are a scammer and a spammer

2396
03:05:08,482 --> 03:05:13,042
i think well i think i don't know about that i don't know i don't know this is just this is

2397
03:05:13,042 --> 03:05:20,462
just what i'm hearing uh i'd like can you guys hear this if i go i can't hear it i'm just hoping

2398
03:05:20,462 --> 03:05:22,082
it's an air horn can you hear this

2399
03:05:22,082 --> 03:05:25,222
nope this is really embarrassing that I just did that

2400
03:05:25,222 --> 03:05:26,782
pretend that didn't happen cut

2401
03:05:26,782 --> 03:05:28,322
pause

2402
03:05:28,322 --> 03:05:31,042
I appreciate you guys

2403
03:05:31,042 --> 03:05:33,022
I did mine

2404
03:05:33,022 --> 03:05:34,662
fuck yours works

2405
03:05:34,662 --> 03:05:36,683
oh it's cause I had it muted

2406
03:05:36,683 --> 03:05:39,622
hold on wait what if I do this

2407
03:05:39,622 --> 03:05:40,902
can you hear that

2408
03:05:40,902 --> 03:05:42,242
no

2409
03:05:42,242 --> 03:05:43,542
fuck okay

2410
03:05:43,542 --> 03:05:48,802
you're really putting me to shame here

2411
03:05:48,802 --> 03:05:50,942
This is just embarrassing at this point.

2412
03:05:52,082 --> 03:05:55,322
You guys, we've now made it over three hours with this stream.

2413
03:05:55,762 --> 03:05:56,362
What a treat.

2414
03:05:57,183 --> 03:05:58,183
What an absolute treat.

2415
03:05:58,502 --> 03:05:59,562
Thank you guys for being here.

2416
03:06:00,762 --> 03:06:04,902
And yeah, you should go fucking check out Ben's Wine and spend some fucking sats.

2417
03:06:05,322 --> 03:06:09,442
And go check out Madix's art and spend some sats on that too.

2418
03:06:09,882 --> 03:06:15,442
And go check out other, there's all sorts of Bitcoin merchants on Noster that you can go and spend sats on.

2419
03:06:15,442 --> 03:06:17,702
because like somebody asked me once,

2420
03:06:17,762 --> 03:06:18,002
it was like,

2421
03:06:18,942 --> 03:06:20,082
it was actually when I was in El Salvador

2422
03:06:20,082 --> 03:06:21,102
and this is the last thing I'll say.

2423
03:06:22,542 --> 03:06:22,882
They asked me,

2424
03:06:23,002 --> 03:06:24,683
what do you think a Bitcoin maximalist is?

2425
03:06:25,982 --> 03:06:28,062
And it was from El Salvador,

2426
03:06:28,822 --> 03:06:30,562
nicknamed Chimbera,

2427
03:06:31,422 --> 03:06:32,802
lives in El Zante.

2428
03:06:33,602 --> 03:06:34,142
And I said,

2429
03:06:34,462 --> 03:06:36,462
I think a Bitcoin maximalist spends sats.

2430
03:06:38,302 --> 03:06:40,082
And I think that's it.

2431
03:06:41,402 --> 03:06:42,862
And don't give me the fucking shit

2432
03:06:42,862 --> 03:06:43,222
where it's like,

2433
03:06:43,262 --> 03:06:44,522
well, never sell your Bitcoin.

2434
03:06:44,522 --> 03:06:46,282
It's like, just fucking buy it again.

2435
03:06:46,382 --> 03:06:48,683
I know you have more fiat, you cuck.

2436
03:06:49,342 --> 03:06:52,382
Like, just fucking buy the Bitcoin back immediately.

2437
03:06:52,922 --> 03:06:53,962
Buy a little bit more back.

2438
03:06:54,162 --> 03:06:54,822
Like, look at that.

2439
03:06:54,862 --> 03:06:56,922
You've gained Bitcoin and you've got cool wine

2440
03:06:56,922 --> 03:07:00,722
or cool whatever insert product is that a Bitcoiner is selling.

2441
03:07:01,402 --> 03:07:02,622
Go spend some sats.

2442
03:07:03,082 --> 03:07:04,142
Use Bitcoin as money.

2443
03:07:04,662 --> 03:07:05,962
Put your money where your mouth is.

2444
03:07:06,282 --> 03:07:07,742
Thank you for coming to this live stream.

2445
03:07:08,302 --> 03:07:13,142
Dick, BJ, appreciate you both very much.

2446
03:07:13,142 --> 03:07:14,702
this has been a treat

2447
03:07:14,702 --> 03:07:16,502
live stream now over

2448
03:07:16,502 --> 03:07:17,642
and then we'll see

2449
03:07:17,642 --> 03:07:18,502
if everything's uploaded

2450
03:07:18,502 --> 03:07:19,482
thank you everybody

2451
03:07:19,482 --> 03:07:20,042
for joining

2452
03:07:20,042 --> 03:07:20,762
I'm sorry that the

2453
03:07:20,762 --> 03:07:21,683
Noster one died out

2454
03:07:21,683 --> 03:07:22,882
we'll do it again

2455
03:07:22,882 --> 03:07:23,622
sometime soon

2456
03:07:23,622 --> 03:07:24,402
hopefully not

2457
03:07:24,402 --> 03:07:24,882
because Bitcoin

2458
03:07:24,882 --> 03:07:25,382
will be ripping

2459
03:07:25,382 --> 03:07:26,622
but if it keeps dumping

2460
03:07:26,622 --> 03:07:27,222
we're going to keep

2461
03:07:27,222 --> 03:07:27,802
live streaming

2462
03:07:27,802 --> 03:07:28,522
late at night

2463
03:07:28,522 --> 03:07:30,002
with Peony Lane wine

2464
03:07:30,002 --> 03:07:30,842
cheers

2465
03:07:30,842 --> 03:07:33,282
and