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As tragic as what happened to Kirk, I fucking venerate and honor and respect him.

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And he will go down in glory as a man in the history of America at a time when things were dark, who is courageous enough to stand up and speak truth to power.

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Charlie Kirk is like like a white Martin Luther King Jr.

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You know, I mean, he literally is a martyr.

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He's an American hero.

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This was a cultural assassination, which is a hell of a step.

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And the number of people supporting it is just quite incredible.

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To be clear, like people that engage in this kind of violence are such fucking losers that they could never actualize any form of meaningful dialogue in any way to actually get attention in the same way that could have any substantial impact on the world.

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So this is this is their last thing that they do is like a child lashing out against a parent who says, go to your room.

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they engage in a hissy fit and a meltdown any father who's worth his salt saw the videos of

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kirk with his children and immediately realized that he was a great father he was a great husband

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he was a good man you know so i'm not willing to sit here and listen to that fucking bullshit from

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people or both sides this thing no this is a leftist ideology thing these people want you dead

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they want you erased like get this through your fucking head you as a straight white man in america

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The only thing standing between them and total domination of the entire world, a global slave system.

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OK, period. That's that. That's why you're the group that they hate the most.

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And if they want you to stop speaking, you need to speak 10 times louder.

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It's just that simple. Fuck these people.

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This idea of Bitcoin being the third way politically is really important because it's a disengagement through technology.

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in the most radical way of nonviolence.

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And more and more people are going to have to find a harbor here

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specifically because of what Bitcoin offers

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and how it technologically disables violence in this most direct form.

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They're going to want to kill you and they're going to want to take your shit.

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They are going to want your children to grow up without a father.

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We're still going to have to hold the line on this.

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like in 10 years no matter how bad it gets we need to be having the conversation and saying the same

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thing we are the middle path we are the path without violence we are the path where we just

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speak we explain it to people and we build the things that protect the people who want to keep

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going down this to actually making things better because there are way too many people today who

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just want to destroy what they don't like and they have no capacity to even try to build something

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good or do something this is the time for bravery it's the time for courage it's the time for more

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speech. It's the time to self-censor even less because it's too important. And it's, you know,

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it doesn't serve any of us to, you know, go with either side of extremist violent rhetoric.

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So I just, that's my sincere hope is that we all double down on America, deeply American principles

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and we do what needs to be done while also keeping our conscience intact and doing the right things.

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And intellectual cowardice is what defines them. They literally murdered a man over the fact that

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they couldn't actually stand up and debate him with merit.

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And it's truly terrifying because, like, this is where we're at now.

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Like, dialogue no longer is of service

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because these people aren't interested in dialogue.

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They're interested in shouting you down,

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calling you a racist, calling you a bigot.

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There is no both sides here.

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Those people have an ideology where they believe

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that if you say words they don't like,

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they're allowed to shoot you in the neck in front of your children your three-year-old can watch you

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bleed to death that's what they believe look at it straight in the face don't that's not the time

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for like oh hey man you know everybody's got some points shut the fuck up look at it look at it for

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what it is watch the videos of him dying you need to know you need to know

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what happened to mr kirk was horrific and tragic and it's uh it's really sad to see that that we've

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gotten to this place in the political discourse where people want to murder others simply because

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they have a difference of opinion and even more disturbing is people cheering it on you know like

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as much as you might have differences of opinions and ideas, like the entirety of, you know,

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there's a reason that the First Amendment is the first one. And it's because it's only with

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the freedom of speech and the ability to exercise those opinions, knowing that you can be safe

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doing that is sort of the substrate of the entirety of our modern society. And so, yeah,

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I just think as a father as well, it's pretty horrific to see a little girl who's going to

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have to grow up without her father now because some psychopath decided that they hated what he

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had to say enough to kill him so i mean i think the point you raise about the reaction is uh the

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key point you know even before we knew the um anything about the shooter or you know people

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were saying why did it happen it was it this was it that i mean the left obviously doesn't want to

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own this but they do they own this because no matter what the shooter's political ideologies

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his motivations were,

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which it seems clear that he was a leftist

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and this was a politically motivated assassination,

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an act of domestic terrorism.

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So many on the left,

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mainstream people,

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nurses and teachers

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and people you work with

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were celebrating Kirk's murder

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and then laughing at it gleefully.

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And then those that weren't laughing at it

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were saying he brought it on himself for his words, for the things that he said.

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Many of them had false perceptions of who he was.

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They believed in a caricature of him that wasn't in any way, shape, or form who he really was.

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They were saying things that he never said, misattributing quotes to him.

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The left has actually been in a race to devalue him posthumously as a racist, as a sexist, as a bigot.

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he's a moderate. Everybody knows that. He's a middle-of-the-road conservative guy.

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Nick Fuentes said on his stream last night, he's part of the establishment. He is part of the

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establishment. He is a moderate Republican. There's no difference between him and your uncle

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who voted for Trump. So to celebrate his death is to celebrate the death of half the country,

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effectively. And it's a implicit admission from the left that they want, you know,

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people who think and believe like Charlie Kirk to die. And they think it's a good thing when

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people like Charlie Kirk die. And they believe that when right wingers do speech, it's violence.

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And that when the left wing does speech or does violence, it's speech. That's what they believe.

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and the reason that they've been saying that words are violence now for over a decade is so they can

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kill you with impunity for the things that you say when charlie kirk got shot it was like a direct

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attack on the first amendment it was like the first amendment got shot that's how visceral and

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brutal it was i wasn't even a fan of kirk's i had never seen a single hour of his podcast

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i had seen a scattering of clips online i was tangentially aware of him but i was not an avid

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listener, watcher, wouldn't consider myself a fan. I didn't like him or dislike him. But when I saw

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him get shot in the middle of speaking, it filled me with a sense of injustice that I can only begin

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to describe because this was a man who, no matter what his opinions and beliefs were, if his politics

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differed from your opinions and beliefs, he very clearly was a uniquely American force, uniquely

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American character. He, you know, believed in Jesus. He believed in God. He believed in the

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First Amendment. He believed in our country. He believed in a more perfect union. He died

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in the act of free speech, wearing a shirt that said freedom on it, that had blood from his neck.

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So to me, it's unequivocal that I'm not here to do whataboutism and both sides are bad or any of

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bullshit charlie kirk was an american hero and a patriot and a person who i think we need more of

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in this world we need more people who are willing to put it on the line i said on nostri right before

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i hopped on the stream i'll just close on this that like free speech is worth dying for so charlie

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kirk died a meaningful and admirable death engaged literally with a microphone in his hand because

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the act of free speech is so important and so inextricably linked to freedom itself that it is

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in fact worth dying for and i said i post this even knowing that if i was ever killed for things i said

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people would ironically you know the deranged and insane would dig it up and ironically mock me with

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it and i say it anyway feel free to mock me i knew the consequences when i said it that's how important

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of this it's one of the fucked up things i've seen is that the people being like well look he said

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he said that there would be casualties of gun violence so i guess he got his comeuppance

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and it's like you just you're you you really don't get it do you like that's not him getting

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his comeuppance it's actually like a a complete understanding of actually the risks that he was

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taking in speaking up in this way and also the potential repercussions that could come with that

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from a deranged fringe of people and it's i don't know it's it's it's it's sad and it's kind of

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fucking mind-blowing to see the response right now there's also like i mean obviously there are some

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some heartening responses but i feel like uh on the whole it just leads like i don't we just feel

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incredibly fucking divided right now eric the point you made about um you know the i think it

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was off camera but like you just said you know that basically like leftists believe in the

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collective more than the you know nuclear family and i've seen i've seen takes online that were

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like you know uh people saying how horrible it was that people were celebrating his death

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and then you know these you know deranged leftists saying that uh it's good that his children are

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going to grow up without a father because at least they won't have a father that believes that uh

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But their daughter who's raped should carry her child, the rapist child to term, you know, because he doesn't believe in abortion because he's a Christian.

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And it just I couldn't, you know, there's not a more evil or despicable as a young father.

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There's not a more evil or despicable sentiment to me that if, you know, basically what they're saying is like, if you hold incorrect beliefs, if you hold the beliefs that we do not agree with.

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okay we will erase you so that you are no longer able to protect and guide your children and then

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we will do whatever we want with your children and every young father that sees i think the re i

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think the people hardest most affected by this are young fathers millennial age males who have

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children um i cried the last like two days like on and off like multiple times every time i saw a

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video of his kids i just thought about myself and my own kids and like if i wasn't there to protect

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them and how evil and despicable it is, you know, to, to basically say that like these

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children are better off growing up without their father.

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Any father who's worth his salt saw the videos of Kirk with his children and immediately realized

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that he was a great father.

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He was a great husband.

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He was a good man, you know?

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So I'm not willing to sit here and listen to that fucking bullshit from people or both

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sides of this thing.

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No, this is a leftist ideology thing.

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These people want you dead.

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They want you erased.

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Get this through your fucking head.

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You as a straight white man in America are the only thing standing between them and total domination of the entire world.

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A global slave system.

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Okay?

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Period.

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That's why you're the group that they hate the most.

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And if they want you to stop speaking, you need to speak ten times louder.

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It's just that simple.

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Fuck these people.

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I think they qualify the fact that

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you use the word evil and I think a lot of people

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can be like whoa I don't

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pure evil

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it is and it's evil because of the banality of it

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and that when you ask people to actually

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self reflect on like you're celebrating

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this man who was murdered

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who's a father who no one can be there

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for his child and even

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within that it seems like they're incapable

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of self reflecting

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and actually going whoa okay

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yeah actually maybe this isn't a direction we want to go and the sad truth is is that like it this um

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it's very interesting that i i have a hard time seeing how turning point usa does not become

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quite reactionary in this and like it i have a strong feeling that what ends up happening is now

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they become much more uh that the the dialogue is going to push harder and stronger and be more

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evocative and when responses come up to that evocation like this strikes me as it goes in a

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brown shirts direction where they're going to be like we posse up now when people come in and start

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agitating towards us we don't start violence but we end the violence and like now this is just going

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to beget a lot of dangerous problems that really just kind of scares me for the future of our

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country because like it it seems pretty clear that uh we are in a we mire moment and that the

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government is actually incapable or uh even worse is like they're actually enabling these forms of

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violence and that and that's when people start to realize like oh we have to step outside of the

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system to protect ourselves because uh this this purported system of government that's supposed to

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protect us won't man i'll tell you the the biggest thing for me has just been

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because I had a rough day just like

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hey bud

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give me a few more minutes

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kid I'll be out

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I know I know

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like that

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his kids are basically the same age as mine

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that's been dark

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thinking about that and just fucking seeing it.

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But what gets me is that people that I know,

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like people I used to call friends,

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I made the mistake of going on Facebook for a little while,

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and they all had to caveat with this,

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oh, violence is never the answer, but he had it coming.

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when you support hate and vitriol

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and then sharing these fucking memes

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that are the most banal idiotic,

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like how can you be so vapid

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as to think that when somebody has a quote

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that's a full two sentences

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and the quotation is around one fucking word,

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like that's not a quote, you moron.

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that's not a quote that somebody has in has put in their interpretation as to what he said and he

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quoted they quoted evil or bad and then followed it by black people and like like all of this

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like i mean i mean like like do you not know the the thing that gets me is the unbelievable

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intellectual cowardice.

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Yeah.

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Like the inability to just wonder if maybe you're wrong about it.

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In fact, I'm considering going back up there and offering a thousand dollars to anybody

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who can find me a segment, not a half a word out of context, not one sentence clipped from

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some thing where he's like kind of mad, but a segment in which he argues that black people

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shouldn't have rights that jewish people ruined all the banking in the country and like just just

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give me like prove your memes prove the things that you're using to say that this guy because

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you're you're not actually there to be against violence because it the whole post just ends up

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being about like why gun we should have been doing gun control and why charlie kirk is a horrible

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person for not convincing everyone to do gun control and that he's the consequence of it and

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Never, never is there even the slightest intellectual integrity to actually argue with the point.

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To argue with the point.

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And it's because they're mentally pathetic.

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It's because they're absolutely weak.

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They cannot stand up against a real argument.

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They don't even know how to define the premise of what they believe.

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If you ask them what a woman is, they fall apart every time.

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This is based to have you even thought about this as it gets.

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And I mean, that intellectual cowardice is what defines them. They literally murdered a man over the fact that they couldn't actually stand up and debate him with merits. And it's truly terrifying because like this, like this is where we're at now.

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like dialogue no longer is of service because these people aren't interested in dialogue they're

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interested in shouting you down calling you a racist calling you a bigot and and and the most

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fascinating thing in all of this is is that the the absolute hypocrisy that goes into that and

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and again the banality of that like there's not enough awareness that they have to stop and

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self-reflect enough to go whoa hang on maybe maybe we can have a sincere intellectual debate maybe

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maybe we can just agree to disagree and but like it it seems that that's unavailable now and it's

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it's also scary with us all being public figures that talk about things that could be construed as

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right-wing leaning in addition to the fact of that like you know we we are actually public

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figures sort of in the same area definitely not nearly as prominent or popular but like it is

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scary to consider that there are people out there who probably hate us for the dialogues that we have

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with each other by the way not to make it explicitly about us but like i want to caution

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i want to caution bitcoiners if you're siding with this leftist bullshit right now i want you

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to think about very seriously i want you to think about what i'm about to say i want you to think

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about a world in which bitcoin is at 10 million dollars a coin these people are going to hate you

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these people that you know friends family neighbors who you're making peace and compromise with who

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you're complacent in your relationships with they're going to hate you they're going to want

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to kill you and they're going to want to take your shit they are going to want your children

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to grow up without a father so think about that i'm not telling you to like they're going to be

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happy if they get that way.

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I'm not telling you.

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They're going to be happy about it.

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Yeah, I'm not telling you to destroy relationships, but I'm saying

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to be very critical and

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keep an eye on who you have around you and how

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they respond to things like this. It tells

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you a lot about who they are.

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I made a mistake of going on Facebook

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as well. That was a terrible mistake

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to make because I just, I saw people

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that I've known since

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I was a child, and I haven't been on Facebook

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when we preface this in maybe

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five years.

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just have just kind of stop that right it was getting a little yeah i'm about one a year

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i'm about one a year occasionally i'll check my wife's like it's so and so's birthday and i'm like

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shit i forgot is she right and then i'll go on there like it's basically just a birthday app now

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but i went on there and i just i saw some stuff where i was just like man you like a number of

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people you realize just people do not actually think deeply in any meaningful capacity and truly

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And the weird thing is that I saw some people talk about like, oh, if you're if you're mourning Charlie Kirk or if you are posting, you know, rest in peace messages, you're just a sheep.

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I saw somebody say this and I was just like, the irony, of course, is that you, sir, are the sheep.

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Like you are the one who is, in fact, behaving like a sheep.

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You are literally just believing everything you are told without actually having an ounce of real evidence to support it.

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You clearly haven't watched anything the guys ever said.

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Like you don't have to agree with all of his policy positions or anything like that.

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But, you know, to basically be chastising people for mourning the death of somebody like this who was shot while engaging in open debate on a college campus, which like if that's not the American ideal of free speech, I don't know what is like open debate on a college campus.

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Right. That's what it should be to be shot and killed, to be assassinated in that setting.

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if you're chastising somebody for mourning that person's death

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how can you possibly think you're on the right side of history in this

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I mean like this keeps bringing us back to the point of that like

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this is what our dent brought up in Eichmann in Jerusalem about the banality of evil

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like the question has nothing to do with them like they're literally

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vacant and unavailable to think about it which is definitive of how they are

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so the question is what do we do in response to it and the real important thing is is is we don't

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callow away from it it's important to continue to speak freely and openly it's important to

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continue to push the same points that charlie was pushing forward because they're really important

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and we can also see the very real impact that he had like he he probably is single-handedly

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responsible for helping push the youth back in a direction towards conservatism being something

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that actually exists on college campuses because he was willing to be courageous in his approach

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and in his faith and saying, I'm going to go try to spread the word of Jesus and other ideas that

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I think are really important for young people to have. And if you watch clips of him, even when he

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encounters people that are angry or hateful towards him, he usually tries to bring it back to a pretty

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compassionate place. And from all the clips I've seen, like it doesn't, there seems to be a great

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degree of modernism that like um i'm just really afraid that people are going to shy away from that

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and i just really want to say that like we we have a responsibility to continue these conversations

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and we have a responsibility to make sure that if you do have people that you would call friends

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that are celebrating this is it's to really full stop and like ask them to be like are you serious

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are you actually serious and that you're celebrating the murder of somebody because

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he was trying to have open dialogue with other people because you don't like him because like i

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really want to get down to the baseline with you because like if that's true and that's who you are

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you really probably should take some time to self-reflect so i want to know if anybody on

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the left was assassinated if you saw people on the right celebrating it like are are how are you

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going to feel about that maybe that's a bad example but i don't know this is no there's been

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There's been some bullshit whataboutism lately on both sides.

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And it's like I want you to run this thought experiment for a second.

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Think about if Chank Younger was assassinated.

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Chank Younger is the left-wing equivalent of Charlie Kirk.

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I would say I would actually – what's Chank's – because I was actually thinking the same thing as far as like an analogy.

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Is Chank's following as big as Charlie Kirk?

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Because I would think it was Chank in mentality is that he's actually willing to speak to people on the right.

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and literally a level of popularity similar to AOC.

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So, Chank's influence, I would say, 10 years ago was about the same as Charlie Kirk's.

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I don't know if his influence is quite as high as it used to be,

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but just consider for a fact that if he was killed by some crazy person,

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how the right wing would respond.

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You know how they would respond.

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The vast majority of people, 90-plus percent of good, normal, decent people,

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would think it was horrible.

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They would think it says something horrible about the state of the country.

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they would want to have a conversation about it there would be 10 just to be straight up there

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would be 10 of racists who say something like good a brown guy got it fuck him he doesn't deserve to

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be he's not a real american anyway shit like that and then good normal decent people would shout them

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down and say what the fuck is wrong with you this man died blah blah blah that would be the actual

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reaction it would not be this sickening evil godless reaction that's happening on the left

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wing and there is no both sides here those people have an ideology where they believe that if you say words they don like they allowed to shoot you in the neck in front of your children

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Your three-year-old can watch you bleed to death.

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That's what they believe.

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Look at it straight in the face.

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That's not the time for like, oh, hey, man, you know, everybody's got some points.

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Shut the fuck up.

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Look at it.

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Look at it for what it is.

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Watch the videos of him dying.

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You need to know.

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You need to know.

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There was a survey done that said 55 percent, 55 percent of those on the left felt it was reasonably justified to murder Trump or Elon Musk.

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Fifty five percent.

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I have to admit, I knew somebody who when I when I brought this up with them, they like their immediate response is like, well, like, why wasn't it Trump?

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And I was just like, oh.

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the fact that that's what you jump to

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like yeah I was just like

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I was like I

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yeah I just felt pretty disgusted

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I don't think we can downplay the media here either

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no

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the media is complicit

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like I think this is their

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dying breath because

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their entire format

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is dying and they need

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rage they need people afraid

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they need people panicking and watching the news

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because they are losing viewership

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and I think that's a really important

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something that's really important to remember

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in the age of like social media

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outrage algorithms

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and a dying media that wants to stay relevant

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is that

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there are so many people who would profit

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the more

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the right

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or anybody who is not the left

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anybody who sees the left as the insanity

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that it has genuinely become

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because you don't have to be on the right.

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In fact, there's a million centrists and modernists and libertarians

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and anarchists and every other damn thing under the sun

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who are like, what the fuck are those people doing over there?

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And looking at that to not play into the bait,

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like violence is how they thrive.

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They want this to become violent because that's the only –

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because they can't talk.

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They can't defend their stance.

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So if we are talking, that's why they're so damn mad is because they are they have an indefensible viewpoint, one that they hold with this level of belligerence and like self-entitled arrogance that their opinion, they're so uncomfortable with dealing with the mental gymnastics of trying to hold their belief together.

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when you ask basic questions that they will literally sacrifice they literally value holding

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on to their vapid ass opinion more than someone else's life that is how little they care about

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other people and it's no coincidence that every single every single thing about their ideology

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is about me it's about me me me who am i you know what what is i my identity is all these a bunch of

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arbitrary characteristics. I'm a white person. I'm a black person. I'm a, I'm, I, this is where I

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stick my dick. And that's what identifies who I am as a person. Like, it's just, it's all about

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like extreme focus. It's like, whatever, this is not, this is not even a baby. I'm just going to

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kill it. And like, I don't even have, I never even had super strong opinions about a lot of

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these things, but all I can think is that I know that opinion has to be wrong because I see the

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people who hold it and how they actually react to things in the world. I think who, who thinks that

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that's a set of values that's even ever going to be aligned with life or harmony or peace in any

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long-term time frame how did how are they deluded into thinking that this is any sort of a positive

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they're angry and hateful you can't have basic conversations with them and it's wild how many

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people like intelligent otherwise nice people have like i've lost family members that cannot

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have a sensible conversation

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and I do everything to build

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bridges to try to get through them

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through to them but

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I just it's just it's incredible

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how bad it's gotten and it's

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being there

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are so many people profiting from it

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and there are so many people and

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institutions that

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would love it

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if it keeps going

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and would love it and

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would make an absolute fortune

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if it got worse

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and I think that's what

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is important that we don't do

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that we don't react

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in the way that keeps

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this system

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make them irrelevant

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make them irrelevant

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don't give them the fuel

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Cason you were going to say something?

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I was just thinking about it

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it's really interesting that

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like part of

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their ideological world view

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is that like language itself has

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these features of violence and like that that's specifically because through debate you can

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deconstruct their worldview which like kills them right like it is literally violent towards their

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fragile ideas and so when you can verbally obliterate yeah so when you can verbally obliterate

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that it makes sense that they go oh well that's a form of violence towards me so in response like

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I can actually implement physical violence because these things are the same. And there's,

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there was a great clip of Kirk talking with someone where she was like, Oh, well, you're

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using violent words. And he was like, no, like words can't be violent. And she was like, well,

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it makes me feel, he was like, I don't care at all about your feeling. Your feelings have nothing

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to do with what we're talking about. And that's my entire point. And then they're like, well,

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well, that, that makes me really angry. And he was like, yeah, again, like, that's all about you.

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like i have nothing to do with that we we all this this is where we're at is that we there are

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people that are huge fucking babies that when you say things that offend them enough they want to

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actually get violent about it they believe they should and can get violent about it and this is

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this is a truly scary place to be in because now this whole collective of people seem to be agreeing

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with each other about using that capacity to inflict harm on others that they don't believe

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it that that don't have the same belief systems as them and like this this very quickly gets us

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to a very dangerous place and also like i don't really think the left understands how much they're

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like poking a bear that like they they cannot stand up to like we we haven't they like to call

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trump a fascist but like this country has not seen anything remotely fascist yet and they may very

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well get to see it now because of the way that it's becoming clear that the government and and

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also the republican party is not going to protect people on the right and this really opens up a

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space for a real fascist movement to rise up and go yeah you should collect the vise with us because

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when people threaten you we're going to go to their house and burn it the fuck down when we go

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out and talk bad shit's going to happen to people that threaten us let me say this about what eric

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just said too is that the left and the right have fundamentally completely different uh views on

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violence. The left believes that violence is like a volume knob that they can turn up and down. They

441
00:32:30,125 --> 00:32:36,045
can have it at a low level where it's, you know, street beatings. I mean, you can't wear a MAGA hat

442
00:32:36,045 --> 00:32:40,905
in any American city without getting punched in the face. That's a low level of political violence

443
00:32:40,905 --> 00:32:46,305
every day in your life that serves the left. The anarcho-tyranny of your life, that also serves the

444
00:32:46,305 --> 00:32:50,945
left. And, you know, that basically, like, the police are powerless to help you, but they're not

445
00:32:50,945 --> 00:32:54,805
powerless to harm you, right? That you're like, you're if you're living in a blue city, you're

446
00:32:54,805 --> 00:33:01,585
going to be constant like carjackings, muggings, theft, robbery, kidnapping, burglar, everything

447
00:33:01,585 --> 00:33:06,025
like and you have to deal with that shit, chronic homelessness, the problems that those people

448
00:33:06,025 --> 00:33:10,485
cause. That's a form of violence that you have to deal with every day in your life. And they

449
00:33:10,485 --> 00:33:14,465
believe that violence is like a volume knob that they can turn all the way up, they keep it at a

450
00:33:14,465 --> 00:33:18,745
low level when it serves them. And when they need it, they turn it up to political assassinations,

451
00:33:18,745 --> 00:33:25,165
bombings etc in order to serve their purposes it's it's on purpose okay and the radicals on

452
00:33:25,165 --> 00:33:30,645
the streets the the antifa members the lone wolves they work hand in glove with the moderates the

453
00:33:30,645 --> 00:33:36,405
moderates create this environment they create this you know the ivory tower liberals they create this

454
00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:43,545
sort of like justification for the morality of murder in a political sense and then they're happy

455
00:33:43,545 --> 00:33:47,685
when one of their foot soldiers on the ground goes and does it and because they're cowards they don't

456
00:33:47,685 --> 00:33:51,765
have to subject themselves to any of the risk and they have a diffusion of responsibility there okay

457
00:33:51,765 --> 00:33:55,945
that's the way the left views violence the way the right views violence is the way eric is describing

458
00:33:55,945 --> 00:34:03,485
which is it's a switch and it's either off or it's kill everyone those are the only two positions on

459
00:34:03,485 --> 00:34:10,645
the right wing switch okay so when you fuck with them consistently you have no idea the danger that

460
00:34:10,645 --> 00:34:16,465
you're in that you're fucking with it is not a smart thing to do none of us want either of these

461
00:34:16,465 --> 00:34:20,905
outcomes. This is what it is to be a sane, good, normal, decent person in American life today.

462
00:34:21,545 --> 00:34:26,845
I do not want to see right wing retributed political violence on a mass scale. I also do

463
00:34:26,845 --> 00:34:31,385
not want to live through political assassinations and bombings from the left. Unfortunately, we may

464
00:34:31,385 --> 00:34:35,805
be hurtling into a world in which both scenarios are on the table. Somebody said to me the other

465
00:34:35,805 --> 00:34:39,245
day about Fuentes. I tuned into Fuentes' live stream the other day. I've never watched it in

466
00:34:39,245 --> 00:34:44,205
my life, but it felt important to watch it last night because I realized that the right wing was

467
00:34:44,205 --> 00:34:48,305
going to be pushed further right and they were going to be pushed charlie kirk's audience was

468
00:34:48,305 --> 00:34:52,585
going to be pushed into the hands of nick funter so i tuned in and i listened to everything he had

469
00:34:52,585 --> 00:35:00,005
to say which surprisingly was very non-violent it was i was i was surprised and actually i you know

470
00:35:00,005 --> 00:35:05,225
it was pleasantly surprising that he was basically calling for no violence and he was saying you know

471
00:35:05,225 --> 00:35:11,325
we shouldn't do anything so that was nice but i tuned in and i was thinking the energy here

472
00:35:11,325 --> 00:35:15,505
that's happening here is going to be, you know,

473
00:35:15,565 --> 00:35:19,065
potentially what shapes our world over the next 20 years.

474
00:35:19,245 --> 00:35:21,505
And I was talking to a friend about it, and he said,

475
00:35:21,545 --> 00:35:22,305
you know what Fuentes is?

476
00:35:22,325 --> 00:35:23,045
And I go, no, what?

477
00:35:23,245 --> 00:35:25,465
And he goes, it's Bitcoin for people who don't understand Bitcoin.

478
00:35:26,705 --> 00:35:28,785
People, they have an enemy, the Jews.

479
00:35:29,045 --> 00:35:31,285
We have an enemy, central banks, right?

480
00:35:31,385 --> 00:35:32,065
Fiat currency.

481
00:35:32,525 --> 00:35:34,525
The Jews have Israel, right?

482
00:35:34,525 --> 00:35:38,445
And you can now easily, in a Girardian sense,

483
00:35:38,445 --> 00:35:42,565
scapegoat your problems without understanding economics.

484
00:35:42,785 --> 00:35:45,485
And they have a form of economic populism on the right,

485
00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:48,685
which they are actually a form of national socialist

486
00:35:48,685 --> 00:35:51,385
in the sense that, like, Fuentes and others are saying things like,

487
00:35:51,425 --> 00:35:53,685
you know, I'm okay with giving away health care to these people.

488
00:35:54,165 --> 00:35:55,625
You know, I want the country back.

489
00:35:55,685 --> 00:35:58,225
I want the country to be a white, Christian nationalist country, etc.

490
00:35:58,825 --> 00:35:59,025
Right?

491
00:35:59,485 --> 00:36:01,165
And he's picking up steam,

492
00:36:01,605 --> 00:36:03,565
especially after the murder and assassination of Charlie Kirk,

493
00:36:03,645 --> 00:36:05,745
because unfortunately, the problem is,

494
00:36:05,865 --> 00:36:07,405
I'm watching this all unfold in real time,

495
00:36:07,405 --> 00:36:10,745
that young conservatives are looking at this and they're saying the debate's over there's nothing

496
00:36:10,745 --> 00:36:14,805
to talk about with these people anymore yeah people are demons these people are ghouls these

497
00:36:14,805 --> 00:36:19,565
people will kill us right and i do i'm hopeful that um you know a thousand charlie kirks are

498
00:36:19,565 --> 00:36:24,825
going to rise up in his place and do even more campus debate because that is what needs to happen

499
00:36:24,825 --> 00:36:30,065
right rather than retributed political violence we should it i i agree with what eric said earlier

500
00:36:30,065 --> 00:36:35,945
like this is the time for bravery it's the time for courage it's the time for more speech it's the

501
00:36:35,945 --> 00:36:42,865
time to self-censor even less because it's too important and it's you know it doesn't serve any

502
00:36:42,865 --> 00:36:49,585
of us to you know go with either side of extremist violent rhetoric so i just that's my sincere hope

503
00:36:49,585 --> 00:36:55,025
is that we all double down on america deeply american principles and we do what needs to be

504
00:36:55,025 --> 00:37:01,905
done while also keeping our conscience intact and doing the right things you know gerard and i think

505
00:37:01,905 --> 00:37:06,845
that's actually super important for folks who don't know Rene Girard and like,

506
00:37:07,285 --> 00:37:07,885
well, what is the,

507
00:37:07,885 --> 00:37:10,985
the history of things hidden since the start of the world or whatever the

508
00:37:10,985 --> 00:37:13,025
foundation world. Thank you.

509
00:37:13,405 --> 00:37:17,145
But the primary thesis there being that this scapegoat mechanism exists

510
00:37:17,145 --> 00:37:20,305
throughout all of history. And the, I mean, it's, I mean,

511
00:37:20,305 --> 00:37:24,705
it's a very long read for folks. I'm very much summarizing at a high level,

512
00:37:25,205 --> 00:37:30,545
but I, this, this is actually that exact thesis playing out. I had,

513
00:37:30,545 --> 00:37:34,725
I had a thesis when Trump's assassination failed,

514
00:37:35,325 --> 00:37:38,125
that this was actually the creation of a living martyr,

515
00:37:38,805 --> 00:37:41,205
which was kind of like along with Gerard's themes,

516
00:37:41,325 --> 00:37:44,825
like the creation of a living martyr would actually kind of change that paradigm a little bit.

517
00:37:44,825 --> 00:37:47,265
But somehow this feels more,

518
00:37:47,585 --> 00:37:52,565
this actually feels more impactful than the Trump assassination attempt.

519
00:37:53,045 --> 00:37:56,265
And I know it shouldn't because Trump was like,

520
00:37:56,745 --> 00:37:59,445
you know, he's former and current president of the United States.

521
00:37:59,445 --> 00:38:28,565
That should be more impactful. But for some reason, this feels more meaningful. And like this was, there was there was a change here. This was a turning point. This was a, you know, the tipping point, whatever you want to call it. I don't know if that's just me, but it's somehow crazily feels like this matters more than the attempted assassination of President Trump. And that's hard to grapple with. Because there's something that changed. We all feel it, right? Everyone feels it. Something just changed.

522
00:38:28,565 --> 00:38:35,605
and i don't think we can ever i don't think we can go back i don't know i i i would say that the

523
00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:40,305
reason because i i kind of agree with you and it's not just because you know trump didn't get

524
00:38:40,305 --> 00:38:47,145
assassinated and kirk did um and you know actually on the point that hodl made for not going down

525
00:38:47,145 --> 00:38:54,705
either of those two paths which worry me a hell of a lot too is like i don't know that much about

526
00:38:54,705 --> 00:38:59,425
charlie charlie kirk i've probably watched as much video in the last two days of charlie kirk

527
00:38:59,425 --> 00:39:07,405
as i've watched in the last year um and but for what i do know and have watched of him

528
00:39:07,405 --> 00:39:15,305
i feel like i it would be obvious as to that that would be his response too is it like don't let this

529
00:39:15,305 --> 00:39:20,105
become violence like i have literally been here like this is the whole that's his whole mission

530
00:39:20,105 --> 00:39:24,985
was to go there so that things didn't become violent that's the point of debate because as

531
00:39:24,985 --> 00:39:33,645
soon as you're not talking violence is the only thing left um uh but uh one of the things that

532
00:39:33,645 --> 00:39:40,965
you know actually hold you also mentioned the whole like this is not you know once or this is

533
00:39:40,965 --> 00:39:47,965
not both sides or whatever this is one-sided you know i had this thought it was like how how do

534
00:39:47,965 --> 00:39:50,405
how is it the people that I know

535
00:39:50,405 --> 00:39:52,405
like literally cannot

536
00:39:52,405 --> 00:39:54,485
see the vast

537
00:39:54,485 --> 00:39:55,685
chasm between

538
00:39:55,685 --> 00:39:58,265
the two situations like

539
00:39:58,265 --> 00:40:00,525
the two sides like even as someone

540
00:40:00,525 --> 00:40:02,525
who again I do not consider

541
00:40:02,525 --> 00:40:04,425
myself on the right and I find

542
00:40:04,425 --> 00:40:06,165
myself inevitably

543
00:40:06,165 --> 00:40:08,165
impossible to not

544
00:40:08,165 --> 00:40:10,385
associate with them because

545
00:40:10,385 --> 00:40:12,645
I know that I can't say anything without

546
00:40:12,645 --> 00:40:14,405
like simple opinions

547
00:40:14,405 --> 00:40:15,805
or simple differences of opinion

548
00:40:15,805 --> 00:40:17,885
that I can viciously argue

549
00:40:17,885 --> 00:40:24,925
with people on the right about, about war, about everything going on in Israel and Gaza and Iran.

550
00:40:24,925 --> 00:40:30,725
I can argue with Republicans and the right all day. I can't, you can't argue with most of the

551
00:40:30,725 --> 00:40:36,185
people on the left. You cannot have a conversation with them. And so I find it inevitable that it's

552
00:40:36,185 --> 00:40:43,385
the only space that I can, I can, I can actually be with someone that I don't agree with. And we

553
00:40:43,385 --> 00:40:51,105
literally not be at each other's throats um but i i had this thought that you know if this was

554
00:40:51,105 --> 00:40:57,065
flipped the other way around if there had been two attempted assassinations that failed on biden

555
00:40:57,065 --> 00:41:07,605
and then chink or aoc or some like huge name for the left that was very close and known by a lot of

556
00:41:07,605 --> 00:41:13,725
people was literally assassinated while talking to some like while trying to build bridges

557
00:41:13,725 --> 00:41:20,665
to people on the right and it was somebody with a MAGA hat or whatever we would be counting the

558
00:41:20,665 --> 00:41:26,865
billions of dollars in damage done over the next three days in this country there would be riots

559
00:41:26,865 --> 00:41:32,645
everywhere we would be count we would be going through a body count of the number of people who

560
00:41:32,645 --> 00:41:38,505
had been indiscriminately killed in the streets, wore MAGA hats or just happened to be the

561
00:41:38,505 --> 00:41:39,205
wrong skin color.

562
00:41:40,565 --> 00:41:46,805
And anybody who's literally still got a couple of brain cells worth of honesty knows that's

563
00:41:46,805 --> 00:41:47,805
100% true.

564
00:41:48,525 --> 00:41:53,325
That's 100% true because they just turned that knob up, that knob that they always have running.

565
00:41:53,865 --> 00:41:58,045
There's always this like simple, like violence is always there.

566
00:41:58,125 --> 00:42:01,105
It's just about how much they're doing at any one point in time.

567
00:42:01,105 --> 00:42:06,325
it's interesting because this makes me think a lot about the uh that like the core philosophical

568
00:42:06,325 --> 00:42:12,205
principles like are really at play here and that like the left fundamentally does not believe in

569
00:42:12,205 --> 00:42:19,985
the right to private property and that like it's only and like that makes violence okay because

570
00:42:19,985 --> 00:42:24,825
like if you can't own private property you can destroy people's stuff like that allows for you

571
00:42:24,825 --> 00:42:30,485
this play on the knob whereas when you have the black and white like you you can own property and

572
00:42:30,485 --> 00:42:33,165
And that is a core principle of what we have.

573
00:42:34,626 --> 00:42:46,145
Because I was just thinking, it is pretty fascinating that, yeah, if someone on the left or was left representative murdered, very similar to George Floyd, there absolutely would be massive protests going on.

574
00:42:47,065 --> 00:42:52,565
Whereas I don't think I've heard of protests going on for Kirk, perhaps vigils, but those.

575
00:42:52,565 --> 00:42:59,705
oh the you know so the thing here this is why my message earlier was that bitcoiners need to keep

576
00:42:59,705 --> 00:43:06,025
their eyes open and be aware is because you know bitcoin is is property i mean we spend all this

577
00:43:06,025 --> 00:43:10,665
time on these podcasts talking about how it's the greatest form of property ever ever created by man

578
00:43:10,665 --> 00:43:17,325
and what a beautiful invention is and how many things it can it can fix and help shape um but at

579
00:43:17,325 --> 00:43:22,845
the core of it, you know, it is wealth, it is money, it is property. And you have millions of

580
00:43:22,845 --> 00:43:30,945
people in America and in Europe who want to kill you and take your property and then have the state

581
00:43:30,945 --> 00:43:37,845
raise your children. Okay, those people are your enemy. Here and simple. Those people are anti-freedom.

582
00:43:38,245 --> 00:43:43,645
They are anti-human. They are anti-capitalist. They're all of those things. And I'm not going

583
00:43:43,645 --> 00:43:47,685
to sit here and make a retributive call for political violence in either way, shape or

584
00:43:47,685 --> 00:43:48,545
form, like I said earlier.

585
00:43:49,126 --> 00:43:53,045
And I think that's also core to the message is like that is what we are doing as Bitcoiners.

586
00:43:53,385 --> 00:43:55,725
We are freedom maximalists.

587
00:43:56,185 --> 00:43:58,385
We are free speech maximalists.

588
00:43:58,785 --> 00:44:03,885
We believe that everybody on earth has the right to the most pristine capital ever formed.

589
00:44:04,345 --> 00:44:13,525
We believe in a multiracial, multiethnic, multinational, multigeographic coalition of freedom-minded

590
00:44:13,525 --> 00:44:19,106
individuals. I think we are a third path between, oh, my light died. I think we are a third path

591
00:44:19,106 --> 00:44:27,505
between the, you know, nihilism of fascism and the nihilism of communism. We are the rational

592
00:44:27,505 --> 00:44:33,525
optimism, optimistic path. We are rational optimism. We are occupying the moral high ground.

593
00:44:33,685 --> 00:44:39,805
So it's important that we get out there and we speak truth to power. We continue to try and help

594
00:44:39,805 --> 00:44:44,945
people. We continue to try and onboard people to Bitcoin. We continue to show them the path to a

595
00:44:44,945 --> 00:44:49,065
better, more prosperous future and life for themselves and their family and their loved ones.

596
00:44:49,325 --> 00:44:54,425
Because the more people that have abundance, the less they're going to want to take it from us,

597
00:44:54,606 --> 00:44:58,765
number one, and the better world it will be for us and our children to inhabit.

598
00:44:59,885 --> 00:45:03,606
That's my sincere hope. I think that's one of the things that we as a Bitcoin community can take

599
00:45:03,606 --> 00:45:07,265
from this is that we don't have to accept this bullshit left-right paradigm, which is fundamentally

600
00:45:07,265 --> 00:45:10,925
like we can speak truths here on this podcast and we can't speak in other places so like let's just

601
00:45:10,925 --> 00:45:15,805
say it fundamentally that's an argument over who gets access to the money printer and who gets to

602
00:45:15,805 --> 00:45:20,365
use it on which groups all white people deserve it oh uh lefties deserve it minorities deserve it

603
00:45:20,365 --> 00:45:26,025
the underprivileged deserve it you know people that are in my country etc etc like the money

604
00:45:26,025 --> 00:45:32,285
printer is bullshit we're not here to take part in the game we're bringing a new game to the table

605
00:45:32,285 --> 00:45:35,685
and we think our game is better for not only Americans,

606
00:45:35,825 --> 00:45:37,606
but for everyone across the entire planet.

607
00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:41,126
That's why, you know, like there's a thought in the back of your mind

608
00:45:41,126 --> 00:45:43,205
when a man gets killed for free speech and you speak for a living,

609
00:45:43,265 --> 00:45:45,025
like Eric was saying earlier, and you're a public figure

610
00:45:45,025 --> 00:45:46,725
and you think to yourself, maybe I shouldn't go on this podcast.

611
00:45:46,845 --> 00:45:48,745
Maybe I shouldn't fucking say what I want to say.

612
00:45:48,765 --> 00:45:50,165
And then you think to yourself, oh, fuck that.

613
00:45:50,325 --> 00:45:54,405
I'm going to ratchet it up to 11 because I am unwilling to live in a world

614
00:45:54,405 --> 00:45:57,925
like Charlie Kirk died doing what he believed in,

615
00:45:57,925 --> 00:46:00,745
trying to create a better world for his children.

616
00:46:02,285 --> 00:46:04,585
That is so crucially important.

617
00:46:04,725 --> 00:46:06,425
I had a friend, I was having a conversation with him,

618
00:46:06,445 --> 00:46:09,005
and he said to me, at a certain point when you're a parent,

619
00:46:09,725 --> 00:46:12,565
you have to say, I'm going to protect my children,

620
00:46:12,685 --> 00:46:14,345
and I can't put my neck out there like that.

621
00:46:14,905 --> 00:46:16,585
No pun intended about the neck situation.

622
00:46:16,785 --> 00:46:19,425
You can't risk your life in that way.

623
00:46:20,425 --> 00:46:22,765
And Charlie Crook obviously is a person who's had death threats

624
00:46:22,765 --> 00:46:26,925
as a public individual, and he knew the risk

625
00:46:26,925 --> 00:46:29,685
every time he stepped onto a stage, and he did it fucking anyway

626
00:46:29,685 --> 00:46:31,565
because the principle is more important.

627
00:46:31,565 --> 00:46:35,626
this thing that we're involved in this bitcoin shit it's bigger than all of us

628
00:46:35,626 --> 00:46:39,805
it's bigger than our personal wealth it's bigger than our personal fortunes it's bigger than this

629
00:46:39,805 --> 00:46:44,045
fucking podcast it's bigger than what fucking implementation you run core knots people uh

630
00:46:44,045 --> 00:46:53,325
it's bigger than everything okay it's so goddamn important and if somebody kills me or you or any

631
00:46:53,325 --> 00:47:01,005
one of us in service of that the mission goes on because this thing is it's inevitable and it can

632
00:47:01,005 --> 00:47:04,785
save the world. I don't care how corny that sounds. We are saving the world here. That's

633
00:47:04,785 --> 00:47:08,606
what the fuck we're going to do. And you don't have to join up with either side of crazy

634
00:47:08,606 --> 00:47:12,305
individuals. You can walk the middle path. You can be a rational optimist. You can have

635
00:47:12,305 --> 00:47:14,765
a good life. You can fix the world.

636
00:47:16,106 --> 00:47:21,585
Dude, it's, uh, I'm glad that you said that because also that's going to go in the, uh,

637
00:47:21,585 --> 00:47:29,445
the hoddle rants hall of fame. But I came into this conversation with the plan that I

638
00:47:29,445 --> 00:47:34,465
would steer it away from bitcoin like you know let's just talk about the let's talk about the

639
00:47:34,465 --> 00:47:37,965
other stuff let's talk about the other stuff besides bitcoin let's not bring bitcoin into

640
00:47:37,965 --> 00:47:43,025
and then i realized as i was as i was just kind of like thinking about things beforehand and

641
00:47:43,025 --> 00:47:49,885
i've realized i can't i can't do that because it's actually inextricably linked

642
00:47:49,885 --> 00:47:56,365
and mallard's had a really good basically a vlog on x today he essentially was talking about and

643
00:47:56,365 --> 00:48:03,485
paraphrasing here, but that the story of humanity is engineering a better world. And that Bitcoin is

644
00:48:03,485 --> 00:48:08,765
this moral alternative. It's a peaceful revolution. It's the nonviolent revolution. He called it,

645
00:48:08,845 --> 00:48:13,445
which I thought was beautiful, an open source exit. And that it gives you real property rights,

646
00:48:13,445 --> 00:48:19,805
real freedom, real freedom of speech, real privacy. These things are very real. And again,

647
00:48:20,145 --> 00:48:25,925
I thought going in, I'm like, maybe I'll try to keep this more on the quote, political side or

648
00:48:25,925 --> 00:48:31,985
whatever but then but there is no quote political side the money is the political the money is

649
00:48:31,985 --> 00:48:37,805
actually the most political it's at the bedrock of the political it necessarily is political not

650
00:48:37,805 --> 00:48:46,245
partisan not partisan but political and i think it's it's it's become such a meme at this point

651
00:48:46,245 --> 00:48:50,325
you know fix the money fix the world that it sounds reductionist or it sounds somehow glib

652
00:48:50,325 --> 00:48:55,365
it sounds like we're trying to have a little tongue-in-cheek joke but it's not a joke at all

653
00:48:55,365 --> 00:49:06,725
And I think everybody here believes this very deeply that, yes, that actually is at the core of this, because the political solution, if the political solution worked, the political solution would have worked.

654
00:49:07,126 --> 00:49:15,045
But it doesn't. So it hasn't. So what what is the solution then? What how do you actually come back from this?

655
00:49:15,045 --> 00:49:16,485
How do you actually fix this?

656
00:49:16,845 --> 00:49:22,965
Because people left unchecked, this is going to lead to a lot more violence,

657
00:49:23,225 --> 00:49:26,405
not from any one person's fault,

658
00:49:26,485 --> 00:49:29,285
but just because of the collective psychosis that people are going through.

659
00:49:29,865 --> 00:49:33,126
It's also going to lead to a greater centralization of power in the state

660
00:49:33,126 --> 00:49:36,285
because these kinds of things and the things that will come after this

661
00:49:36,285 --> 00:49:39,045
are used to centralize more power.

662
00:49:39,505 --> 00:49:40,725
Tragedies are used.

663
00:49:40,865 --> 00:49:41,865
Look at the Patriot Act.

664
00:49:42,145 --> 00:49:44,765
Look at all the surveillance state that we've been living under.

665
00:49:45,045 --> 00:49:51,425
Since yesterday was 9-11, since that horrible, horrible tragedy, that loss of so much human life.

666
00:49:51,685 --> 00:49:56,285
And look at all the human life that was lost as a result of that under false pretenses.

667
00:49:57,465 --> 00:50:01,745
But it all comes, it eventually all does come back to the base layer, right?

668
00:50:01,765 --> 00:50:02,885
It does come back to the money.

669
00:50:02,885 --> 00:50:26,591
It comes back to the incentives and the incentives for the centralization of power and the ability to do so because you control the money printer I want to say I actually have to bounce here in just a second But I want to say a couple of things real quick is one how Bitcoin fits into this is culture

670
00:50:27,111 --> 00:50:32,611
Politics is downstream from culture, but then politics also feeds back on culture.

671
00:50:32,611 --> 00:50:47,371
And that feedback mechanism is a thousand times worse when there's this infinite system of fraud to manipulate and move economic resources.

672
00:50:47,371 --> 00:51:03,030
And that is ultimately what the money printer is, what the issuance and control of the monetary system means. It means that whatever their political agenda or ideology is can essentially be infinitely funded.

673
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:31,091
And that it will always, no matter how attempted it can possibly be to be objective or separate, it will always fuel the systems and the ideologies and the thinkers that reinforce its power and reinforce its structure and its views more than any other.

674
00:51:31,091 --> 00:51:43,771
And that's inevitable. It's not possible for it not to happen that way because if it gets one unit more powerful, it's literally – it is a system of maintaining order.

675
00:51:43,771 --> 00:52:02,911
The more powerful it gets, the easier it is to basically cycle its power back through, to manipulate the universities and how they teach people, to push political agendas and NGO fund every stupid, like clearly political agenda that they could ever have.

676
00:52:02,911 --> 00:52:18,691
And what Bitcoin does ultimately completely change the culture and create people who are so intellectually lazy that they can't even handle their identity – like somebody asking them basic questions about their identity and like what they even – how they even want to argue their belief system.

677
00:52:19,271 --> 00:52:25,951
And this education system just fails us so miserably that people leave – like they're so uneducated.

678
00:52:25,951 --> 00:52:28,550
they are told to memorize a whole bunch of stuff

679
00:52:28,550 --> 00:52:29,891
and not one second

680
00:52:29,891 --> 00:52:31,971
do they actually have any

681
00:52:31,971 --> 00:52:33,691
learning about how to be

682
00:52:33,691 --> 00:52:35,151
about how to actually think

683
00:52:35,151 --> 00:52:38,131
about actually having their ideas challenged

684
00:52:38,131 --> 00:52:39,471
like that's what you should have

685
00:52:39,471 --> 00:52:41,291
from the outset

686
00:52:41,291 --> 00:52:42,550
that's the only thing that matters

687
00:52:42,550 --> 00:52:45,251
because the world is always going to challenge your ideas

688
00:52:45,251 --> 00:52:48,030
reality is always going to punch you in the face

689
00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:50,011
when you believe something even slightly incorrect

690
00:52:50,011 --> 00:52:53,591
and I think the reason

691
00:52:53,591 --> 00:52:55,351
that this

692
00:52:55,351 --> 00:53:04,231
particular instance, Charlie Kirk in particular, feels so different than something like Trump

693
00:53:04,231 --> 00:53:11,251
is because politics had always been a game of power. And there's always this like inherent

694
00:53:11,251 --> 00:53:17,451
unspoken violence as a part of it. You know, there's political assassinations through history.

695
00:53:17,451 --> 00:53:20,071
Of course you assassinate the president. The president is super powerful.

696
00:53:20,071 --> 00:53:24,691
this was a purely cultural and ideological assassination

697
00:53:24,691 --> 00:53:27,071
like purely

698
00:53:27,071 --> 00:53:30,631
there was no other reason to kill him

699
00:53:30,631 --> 00:53:32,291
other than the fact that he was effective

700
00:53:32,291 --> 00:53:34,751
and explicitly because what he believed

701
00:53:34,751 --> 00:53:37,171
and then a whole bunch of people that believe

702
00:53:37,171 --> 00:53:39,050
what the killer believed

703
00:53:39,050 --> 00:53:40,951
were 100% okay

704
00:53:40,951 --> 00:53:44,131
with the fact that that ideological cultural killing

705
00:53:44,131 --> 00:53:45,231
just occurred

706
00:53:45,231 --> 00:53:49,631
and Bitcoin is a desperate

707
00:53:49,631 --> 00:53:52,251
slow, slow

708
00:53:52,251 --> 00:53:53,731
attempt

709
00:53:53,731 --> 00:53:55,871
it's going to take a really really long time

710
00:53:55,871 --> 00:53:57,951
to break that feedback loop

711
00:53:57,951 --> 00:54:00,571
of politics cycling back in

712
00:54:00,571 --> 00:54:02,431
and poisoning the mind of another

713
00:54:02,431 --> 00:54:04,431
generation which feeds it back

714
00:54:04,431 --> 00:54:06,151
into politics and makes it more powerful

715
00:54:06,151 --> 00:54:06,931
and more corrupt

716
00:54:06,931 --> 00:54:10,211
and this turning point of

717
00:54:10,211 --> 00:54:12,691
the cultural change

718
00:54:12,691 --> 00:54:14,731
is why I think it's so powerful

719
00:54:14,731 --> 00:54:16,631
like I've come to realize more and more

720
00:54:16,631 --> 00:54:18,271
that culture is everything and the fact that

721
00:54:18,271 --> 00:54:28,651
Bitcoin has an immense impact on culture and like how you think about things is increasingly one of its most important pieces, like one of its most important characteristics in my mind.

722
00:54:31,271 --> 00:54:32,931
And there is actually hope.

723
00:54:34,550 --> 00:54:39,971
But I maybe I warn it's probably going to take a really, really long time.

724
00:54:41,050 --> 00:54:44,031
And it's going to mean that we have to put up with a lot of stuff.

725
00:54:44,231 --> 00:54:46,391
We're probably going to have to deal with a whole lot of sad stories.

726
00:54:46,391 --> 00:54:50,331
and we're still going to have to hold the line on this.

727
00:54:50,691 --> 00:54:53,151
Like in 10 years, no matter how bad it gets,

728
00:54:53,271 --> 00:54:55,771
we need to be having the conversation and saying the same thing.

729
00:54:55,991 --> 00:54:57,091
We are the middle path.

730
00:54:57,631 --> 00:54:58,911
We are the path without violence.

731
00:54:59,031 --> 00:55:00,571
We are the path where we just speak.

732
00:55:00,671 --> 00:55:03,891
We explain it to people and we build the things that protect

733
00:55:03,891 --> 00:55:07,351
the people who want to keep going down this to actually making things better

734
00:55:07,351 --> 00:55:10,831
because there are way too many people today who just want to destroy what they don't like

735
00:55:10,831 --> 00:55:15,131
and they have no capacity to even try to build something good or do something good.

736
00:55:16,391 --> 00:55:27,991
And then the very last thing, sorry, I just saved this and found this the other day because it's also important to be, you know, hold on.

737
00:55:28,071 --> 00:55:33,471
You said be careful and think about that there are people in your life that might be.

738
00:55:35,211 --> 00:55:38,871
Be careful of anybody who's talking about how great of a thing that just happened.

739
00:55:38,871 --> 00:55:41,771
but this is quote

740
00:55:41,771 --> 00:55:43,711
the suspect's high school friend says

741
00:55:43,711 --> 00:55:45,811
Robinson was the only leftist in a family

742
00:55:45,811 --> 00:55:47,131
of very hard Republicans

743
00:55:47,131 --> 00:55:49,891
and it's Anna Betts posted this

744
00:55:49,891 --> 00:55:51,631
in a phone interview on Friday

745
00:55:51,631 --> 00:55:53,491
one of Tyler Robinson's high school friends

746
00:55:53,491 --> 00:55:55,631
who asked to remain anonymous said that the suspect

747
00:55:55,631 --> 00:55:57,251
was quote pretty left on everything

748
00:55:57,251 --> 00:55:59,411
and was quote the only member of his family

749
00:55:59,411 --> 00:56:00,531
that was really leftist

750
00:56:00,531 --> 00:56:02,991
the rest of his family was very hard Republican

751
00:56:02,991 --> 00:56:03,931
the friend said

752
00:56:03,931 --> 00:56:06,891
around sophomore year the friend said Robinson became more extreme

753
00:56:06,891 --> 00:56:10,651
and his political views and would always just be ranting and arguing about them.

754
00:56:11,171 --> 00:56:13,871
The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school

755
00:56:13,871 --> 00:56:18,251
and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2,

756
00:56:18,411 --> 00:56:19,431
which he mentioned earlier.

757
00:56:19,811 --> 00:56:22,331
He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to, quote,

758
00:56:22,411 --> 00:56:25,831
calling in a big bomb that exists in the game called the 500 kilogram.

759
00:56:26,611 --> 00:56:29,351
When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said he was shocked.

760
00:56:29,351 --> 00:56:34,971
I knew Robinson had strong political views, but I never thought it would ever go near that far.

761
00:56:34,971 --> 00:56:37,331
but

762
00:56:37,331 --> 00:56:40,531
the obvious

763
00:56:40,531 --> 00:56:41,811
you know

764
00:56:41,811 --> 00:56:44,011
obvious thing is very obvious

765
00:56:44,011 --> 00:56:45,391
but

766
00:56:45,391 --> 00:56:49,471
I bring that up

767
00:56:49,471 --> 00:56:51,171
and what's

768
00:56:51,171 --> 00:56:54,071
frightening a little bit about that

769
00:56:54,071 --> 00:56:54,891
to me

770
00:56:54,891 --> 00:56:58,431
is I actually kind of have a family member

771
00:56:58,431 --> 00:57:01,311
not

772
00:57:01,311 --> 00:57:03,511
super close family member but

773
00:57:03,511 --> 00:57:06,611
closer than I would like family member

774
00:57:06,611 --> 00:57:10,351
who I wouldn't put past

775
00:57:10,351 --> 00:57:12,911
like really really wanting

776
00:57:12,911 --> 00:57:14,971
to do something like that

777
00:57:14,971 --> 00:57:16,791
the one

778
00:57:16,791 --> 00:57:19,050
saving grace is I'm not sure

779
00:57:19,050 --> 00:57:20,851
he's

780
00:57:20,851 --> 00:57:22,651
motivated or competent enough to do it

781
00:57:22,651 --> 00:57:24,531
but

782
00:57:24,531 --> 00:57:27,611
so he is a leftist

783
00:57:27,611 --> 00:57:29,451
so he's a leftist

784
00:57:29,451 --> 00:57:33,351
but the amount of hate

785
00:57:33,351 --> 00:57:44,571
But the amount of hate that like basically everybody else in the family, brothers and sisters and everything have had to block him because they can't speak to him.

786
00:57:44,571 --> 00:57:47,911
Like it is literally impossible to have a conversation.

787
00:57:48,631 --> 00:57:55,131
And I have always tried to build bridges and be nice and not talk politics whenever I see him.

788
00:57:55,131 --> 00:58:16,371
But he sent me some crazed message about how my mother, because it was something about someone was pepper sprayed and beaten and that my mother deserved it too because it was Trump's fault and she supported Trump.

789
00:58:18,191 --> 00:58:24,391
And I was just like, I haven't been on Facebook in like a year, dude.

790
00:58:25,131 --> 00:58:30,111
What do you think me coming back to this message feels like?

791
00:58:31,591 --> 00:58:40,191
And I just, like the amount of radicalization in this is like,

792
00:58:41,011 --> 00:58:45,591
there is a whole group of, and I don't know how you come back from this.

793
00:58:45,751 --> 00:58:48,791
I don't, it's going to be hard as shit to build the bridges.

794
00:58:49,511 --> 00:58:53,251
It's going to be hard as shit because I don't know how they come back.

795
00:58:53,251 --> 00:58:56,511
I don't think he ever comes back

796
00:58:56,511 --> 00:58:58,351
I wonder if it's just wait for them

797
00:58:58,351 --> 00:58:59,771
to be gone

798
00:58:59,771 --> 00:59:01,611
it's just enough time passes

799
00:59:01,611 --> 00:59:04,571
that they don't have the capacity

800
00:59:04,571 --> 00:59:05,611
to do the damage

801
00:59:05,611 --> 00:59:08,371
because you have to get the young people

802
00:59:08,371 --> 00:59:10,511
to actually be peaceful

803
00:59:10,511 --> 00:59:12,631
and actually be competent

804
00:59:12,631 --> 00:59:14,911
and intellectually sound

805
00:59:14,911 --> 00:59:16,191
enough to have a debate

806
00:59:16,191 --> 00:59:18,851
which is again

807
00:59:18,851 --> 00:59:20,211
why I actually can

808
00:59:20,211 --> 00:59:22,891
have a conversation with people on the right

809
00:59:22,891 --> 00:59:25,091
who I disagree with vehemently

810
00:59:25,091 --> 00:59:26,671
on so many issues

811
00:59:26,671 --> 00:59:28,751
but I can talk to them about it

812
00:59:28,751 --> 00:59:30,411
and sometimes it's even fun

813
00:59:30,411 --> 00:59:33,811
I do not feel that way

814
00:59:33,811 --> 00:59:35,050
on the other side

815
00:59:35,050 --> 00:59:36,831
and I think there's a clear

816
00:59:36,831 --> 00:59:39,731
this was a cultural

817
00:59:39,731 --> 00:59:40,811
assassination

818
00:59:40,811 --> 00:59:44,611
which is a hell of a step

819
00:59:44,611 --> 00:59:47,651
and the number of people supporting it

820
00:59:47,651 --> 00:59:48,111
is just

821
00:59:48,111 --> 00:59:50,691
quite incredible

822
00:59:50,691 --> 00:59:55,991
fucking a guy

823
00:59:55,991 --> 00:59:59,791
guys you need to dip by the way

824
00:59:59,791 --> 01:00:01,511
go be

825
01:00:01,511 --> 01:00:02,550
yeah go

826
01:00:02,550 --> 01:00:06,531
I love when guy is here

827
01:00:06,531 --> 01:00:08,651
because it sounds like

828
01:00:08,651 --> 01:00:09,511
a real podcast

829
01:00:09,511 --> 01:00:12,751
it sounds like a real podcast because the guy's voice

830
01:00:12,751 --> 01:00:14,151
not like just me and Eric

831
01:00:14,151 --> 01:00:15,371
be like fucking dude

832
01:00:15,371 --> 01:00:18,071
fucking shit dude

833
01:00:18,071 --> 01:00:19,571
that guy

834
01:00:19,571 --> 01:00:23,151
By the way, have you heard of Heidegger?

835
01:00:23,371 --> 01:00:25,291
He would have had some thoughts on this.

836
01:00:28,251 --> 01:00:29,151
Love you guys.

837
01:00:29,591 --> 01:00:30,691
I'm glad we could say that.

838
01:00:31,531 --> 01:00:32,911
Be well.

839
01:00:33,151 --> 01:00:33,731
Much love.

840
01:00:34,451 --> 01:00:34,911
Later, guys.

841
01:00:35,531 --> 01:00:35,871
Stay around.

842
01:00:37,091 --> 01:00:37,791
I don't know.

843
01:00:39,431 --> 01:00:43,011
It's crazy that we're at this point in time

844
01:00:43,011 --> 01:00:48,891
where something that should be obviously easy to denounce

845
01:00:48,891 --> 01:00:54,211
as bad is not unilaterally denounced as bad.

846
01:00:55,111 --> 01:00:56,991
That's just how bad it really is.

847
01:00:57,071 --> 01:00:59,311
I would say it was barely denounced.

848
01:00:59,711 --> 01:01:00,891
It was lip service at best.

849
01:01:01,631 --> 01:01:02,311
You're right.

850
01:01:02,451 --> 01:01:06,091
I mean, like, yeah, it's like, no, no, come on.

851
01:01:06,751 --> 01:01:07,691
It was fringe.

852
01:01:08,031 --> 01:01:09,831
It was fringe to denounce it.

853
01:01:11,351 --> 01:01:12,571
That was what was fringe.

854
01:01:13,331 --> 01:01:15,811
The mainstream thing was to say he deserved it.

855
01:01:15,811 --> 01:01:23,811
the slightly less mainstream the slightly less mainstream thing was to celebrate it

856
01:01:23,811 --> 01:01:26,111
and the fringe thing was to denounce it

857
01:01:26,111 --> 01:01:35,431
so that's how bad i mean i have to i have to admit that uh this idea of bitcoin being the

858
01:01:35,431 --> 01:01:41,591
third way politically is really important because it's a disengagement through technology in the

859
01:01:41,591 --> 01:01:44,271
most radical way of nonviolence.

860
01:01:45,071 --> 01:01:49,691
And more and more people are going to have to find a harbor here specifically because

861
01:01:49,691 --> 01:01:59,111
of what Bitcoin offers and how it technologically disables violence in this most direct form.

862
01:02:00,151 --> 01:02:01,851
In addition to that, like.

863
01:02:03,531 --> 01:02:08,491
It's probably time that Bitcoiners organize themselves in a meaningful way as this third

864
01:02:08,491 --> 01:02:08,791
way.

865
01:02:08,791 --> 01:02:25,771
And that impels a lot of things, but I think it's really important that we have lost our country to the socialists, whether it's the international socialists on the left or the national socialists on the right.

866
01:02:26,891 --> 01:02:29,591
This is going to become a deeply alarming problem.

867
01:02:30,471 --> 01:02:38,611
The fact that Fuentes is now shoved into the spotlight as the leading youth right wing figure is problematic on a number of levels.

868
01:02:38,791 --> 01:02:59,391
And I don't see how this does not continue to escalate. And I think it's very important that we essentially have a radical third party that says both of these parties are insane. Both want to use the printing press to enrich their class and deprive the other classes. And we want to simply end this.

869
01:02:59,391 --> 01:03:13,531
And it's time that we actually seize power and return America to its core principles. I don't know what that means exactly, but I think it's really important that we continue to push on this lever in both directions.

870
01:03:13,531 --> 01:03:20,931
I think it's abhorrent and disgusting what the left has been doing. I don't want to redeem or

871
01:03:20,931 --> 01:03:27,391
accuse the right from things that the left would necessarily be critical of that I don't agree with.

872
01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:34,331
But I do, I can, I can understand why they would have that perspective. But either way about it,

873
01:03:34,331 --> 01:03:39,550
like this is, this is pretty terrifying. And I'm pretty sure that this is like the full

874
01:03:39,550 --> 01:03:44,871
initiation of the official beginning of the fourth turning and the frank truth is is like

875
01:03:44,871 --> 01:03:51,631
i expect someone to try to murder fuentes in the next six months they already did they already did

876
01:03:51,631 --> 01:03:57,191
they already tried to murder him you know they'll try again he'll face several assassination attempts

877
01:03:57,191 --> 01:04:01,951
by the way oh go ahead sorry i cut in your point i was just gonna say like

878
01:04:01,951 --> 01:04:08,891
like the weird conspiracy theory aspect of me is pretty afraid that uh through hypermedia and

879
01:04:08,891 --> 01:04:14,271
social media and the amount of doom scrolling like i'm i'm very afraid that like there's just

880
01:04:14,271 --> 01:04:19,211
a fuck ton of manchurian candidates out there that are just waiting for triggers and that like

881
01:04:19,211 --> 01:04:24,511
this is one of the bigger triggers is like them getting to see somebody be murdered it becoming

882
01:04:24,511 --> 01:04:31,451
this catalyzing thing and like to be clear like people that engage in this kind of violence are

883
01:04:31,451 --> 01:04:38,271
such fucking losers that they could never actualize any form of meaningful dialogue in any way to

884
01:04:38,271 --> 01:04:44,071
actually get attention in the same way that could have any substantial impact on the world. So this

885
01:04:44,071 --> 01:04:49,991
is their last thing that they do. It's like a child lashing out against a parent who says,

886
01:04:50,111 --> 01:04:56,451
go to your room. They engage in a hissy fit and a meltdown where what ends up happening is that

887
01:04:56,451 --> 01:05:01,171
violence is the only thing that they can do because they literally lack the intellectual capacity

888
01:05:01,171 --> 01:05:07,651
to manage their emotions. And so I think there's a lot of people out there secretly going,

889
01:05:07,651 --> 01:05:11,511
yeah, like I should kill some right-wing influencer

890
01:05:11,511 --> 01:05:13,591
because look at how this person celebrated.

891
01:05:14,011 --> 01:05:17,291
They're probably going to receive a eulogy at their funeral

892
01:05:17,291 --> 01:05:22,711
that they're going to be seen as a spectacular matriarch of the left

893
01:05:22,711 --> 01:05:27,031
and as someone who is courageous enough to meet the violent rhetoric

894
01:05:27,031 --> 01:05:33,911
of individuals like Kirk with the true violence of what our principles represent

895
01:05:33,911 --> 01:05:36,291
and that we can't let this hate speech exist.

896
01:05:36,291 --> 01:05:39,371
we have to literally and figuratively murder it.

897
01:05:39,931 --> 01:05:42,651
And I think that it's going to get problematic.

898
01:05:42,651 --> 01:05:46,291
And I think like, it's just really stupid.

899
01:05:46,671 --> 01:05:51,050
It's like, I just don't get it.

900
01:05:51,231 --> 01:05:55,311
Like you're aggravating the side that has all of the guns

901
01:05:55,311 --> 01:05:59,671
and is trained in them and understands how to use them.

902
01:06:00,471 --> 01:06:06,131
And like, furthermore, like your people aren't physically strong.

903
01:06:06,291 --> 01:06:12,631
I don't. It's like really weird to me that you want to pick a fight with this division of people.

904
01:06:13,751 --> 01:06:16,411
And yeah, I'm just I'm sad and scared.

905
01:06:17,351 --> 01:06:21,491
You know, it's just it's just it's really painful that like this.

906
01:06:22,050 --> 01:06:26,011
This is how debased everything has become instead of people going, hold up.

907
01:06:26,011 --> 01:06:30,151
Like, we're both American. We both honor the Constitution and what it means.

908
01:06:30,151 --> 01:06:34,391
Like, let's calm the fuck down for a minute and really think about who and what we want to be.

909
01:06:34,391 --> 01:06:42,050
so think about this for a second on one point of eric's is um there was a video going around

910
01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:46,071
yesterday of somebody who turned out not to be a shooter and i was reserving judgment on

911
01:06:46,071 --> 01:06:50,231
this person when i saw the video because i was like who knows if they're the shooter or not so

912
01:06:50,231 --> 01:06:54,891
i didn't race to anger at this person or anything but i was thinking about it when i was seeing

913
01:06:54,891 --> 01:06:58,591
accounts say hey it might be this person i'm not going to name them or anything because it's not

914
01:06:58,591 --> 01:07:06,171
them, so no reason to dox them or anything. But I was like, it can't be this person. Because the

915
01:07:06,171 --> 01:07:13,111
person who shot Charlie Kirk would never debate him, would never go down there and speak to him,

916
01:07:14,051 --> 01:07:20,611
is physically and humanly incapable of doing that, just like Eric said. And so it is a tantrum. It

917
01:07:20,611 --> 01:07:24,911
is, you know, my three-year-old, if I say no more this or that, and then, you know, she gets upset,

918
01:07:24,911 --> 01:07:26,571
and she hasn't had her blood sugars low,

919
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:28,751
she'll swing at me, you know,

920
01:07:28,931 --> 01:07:30,251
like a wild chimpanzee,

921
01:07:30,271 --> 01:07:31,611
just out of nowhere.

922
01:07:32,351 --> 01:07:34,151
And, you know, it still hurts, man.

923
01:07:34,210 --> 01:07:35,710
They can hit pretty hard, you know.

924
01:07:36,911 --> 01:07:38,071
But, you know, we obviously,

925
01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:39,911
we forgive three-year-olds for that behavior

926
01:07:39,911 --> 01:07:42,131
because they're not doing that much damage

927
01:07:42,131 --> 01:07:43,411
and we know that they don't have

928
01:07:43,411 --> 01:07:45,111
their frontal lobe developed

929
01:07:45,111 --> 01:07:48,071
and so they can't really prevent themselves

930
01:07:48,071 --> 01:07:49,271
from engaging in that, you know.

931
01:07:49,371 --> 01:07:51,671
Like, my two-year-old the other night

932
01:07:51,671 --> 01:07:54,111
just threw her whole tray of food on the floor

933
01:07:54,111 --> 01:07:54,851
and my wife goes,

934
01:07:54,911 --> 01:08:00,111
why did you do that? Do you know why you did that? And she just goes, no. And it's like, yeah,

935
01:08:00,191 --> 01:08:04,751
we know you don't know. We know you don't know why you did that. And I think, you know, I don't want

936
01:08:04,751 --> 01:08:08,851
to be like Mr. Magnanimous here, but I don't even think the kid who shot Charlie Kirk knows why he

937
01:08:08,851 --> 01:08:13,731
did it. You know, he confessed apparently, allegedly to his father about it. So that shows,

938
01:08:13,811 --> 01:08:18,391
you know, he was raised in a Christian household, in a conservative household. So he had some type

939
01:08:18,391 --> 01:08:22,851
of conscience about the whole thing. Like he felt he must've been reading the response and seeing how

940
01:08:22,851 --> 01:08:27,431
people hated him and he must have felt guilty and it must have been a sickening feeling realizing

941
01:08:27,431 --> 01:08:33,451
what he had done and how he had turned his foe his you know imagined foe into an even greater

942
01:08:33,451 --> 01:08:39,591
adversary in death and now charlie kirk is like like a white martin luther king jr you know i mean

943
01:08:39,591 --> 01:08:44,270
he literally is a martyr he's an american hero uh i would be okay with them starting to name streets

944
01:08:44,270 --> 01:08:48,610
charlie kirk boulevard like that's how that's how rapidly my opinion shifted on charlie kirk when

945
01:08:48,610 --> 01:08:56,310
they shot this guy but i think it's important to to hone in on the bitcoin stuff okay so like

946
01:08:56,310 --> 01:09:01,131
that's our unique value prop so we don't need to be like every other podcast and talk you know only

947
01:09:01,131 --> 01:09:07,511
exclusively about the political ends because we we know that the political machinations are you know

948
01:09:07,511 --> 01:09:12,511
they're kind of bullshit it's real because you have to pay attention to it and defend yourself

949
01:09:12,511 --> 01:09:13,230
from what's coming.

950
01:09:13,650 --> 01:09:15,491
But it's kind of bullshit, man.

951
01:09:15,791 --> 01:09:19,631
And I think that both of the worldviews are nihilistic

952
01:09:19,631 --> 01:09:22,671
in a deep, deep, profound, meaningful sense.

953
01:09:22,751 --> 01:09:26,031
I mean, I don't think that the far-right fascists

954
01:09:26,031 --> 01:09:29,331
have a worldview that's anything other than pain,

955
01:09:29,931 --> 01:09:33,051
vengeance, and retribution for the people

956
01:09:33,051 --> 01:09:34,751
who stole and wronged them.

957
01:09:34,751 --> 01:09:36,650
And I think maybe far down the line,

958
01:09:36,751 --> 01:09:38,131
they have this idea of a utopia,

959
01:09:38,531 --> 01:09:40,690
a utopia that's like, it looks like what society

960
01:09:40,690 --> 01:09:41,911
looked like in the 1950s.

961
01:09:41,911 --> 01:09:48,031
unfortunately that ship has sailed and i think the communists you know they have the same idea

962
01:09:48,031 --> 01:09:53,871
of vengeance and sadism sadism heavily uh and at the end of it there's some sort of a bullshit

963
01:09:53,871 --> 01:10:00,710
utopia those bullshit utopias aren't real okay it literally means no place in greek that's what

964
01:10:00,710 --> 01:10:10,210
utopia translates to i i think in bitcoin we already have the fertile soil of a sob a movement

965
01:10:10,210 --> 01:10:13,051
of sovereign individuals who respect each other.

966
01:10:13,171 --> 01:10:15,251
When you go to a Bitcoin meetup,

967
01:10:15,671 --> 01:10:18,551
you talk to people from all over the world.

968
01:10:18,631 --> 01:10:19,471
I've been to Bitcoin meetups

969
01:10:19,471 --> 01:10:21,931
and I've talked to people from every corner of the world

970
01:10:21,931 --> 01:10:23,571
with every political ideology.

971
01:10:23,971 --> 01:10:26,810
I've sat next to people who are hardcore anti-Semites

972
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:28,690
and people who are hardcore Zionist

973
01:10:28,690 --> 01:10:32,091
and I've had conversations with them back to back, right?

974
01:10:32,190 --> 01:10:34,331
I mean, there are every type of person

975
01:10:34,331 --> 01:10:36,650
is represented within Bitcoin,

976
01:10:36,650 --> 01:10:47,011
But there's this core understanding that, you know, we first of all, we can't, you know, take from each other via violence.

977
01:10:47,150 --> 01:10:49,051
Like that simply is not possible.

978
01:10:49,391 --> 01:10:53,770
The other person has to be willing to let you, you know, take their Bitcoin.

979
01:10:53,891 --> 01:10:56,531
Like you can't get their Bitcoin unless they're willing to give it to you.

980
01:10:56,810 --> 01:10:58,791
Number one, you can't just kill them and then take it.

981
01:10:59,351 --> 01:11:05,331
So there's a, you know, right there, there's a element where you have to gain some form of consent over them.

982
01:11:05,331 --> 01:11:09,571
So you have to engage in at least some form of dialogue, even if it's blowtorching off somebody's fingertips.

983
01:11:10,230 --> 01:11:13,171
It's some form of consent, you know.

984
01:11:13,831 --> 01:11:15,351
And I don't know.

985
01:11:15,411 --> 01:11:28,831
I just I feel, you know, deep in my heart, I can't fully articulate all the reasons why, but I feel very deeply that we are the rebirth of the American movement, that this is the American Renaissance, that this is the new golden age.

986
01:11:29,190 --> 01:11:31,650
And I feel it when we're in person together.

987
01:11:31,650 --> 01:11:35,031
When I'm with Eric, man, me and Eric always light up when we see each other.

988
01:11:35,210 --> 01:11:36,710
We always get drunk together.

989
01:11:36,851 --> 01:11:39,251
We always get into these deep cosmic life talks.

990
01:11:39,810 --> 01:11:40,671
Same with Walker.

991
01:11:40,810 --> 01:11:44,531
Like when I see you guys, I just, you know, it's like my brothers are here.

992
01:11:44,650 --> 01:11:46,451
And it's not just because we're like friends on the pod.

993
01:11:46,690 --> 01:11:50,310
I feel this camaraderie with almost everyone in Bitcoin.

994
01:11:50,471 --> 01:11:51,671
It's the rare exception.

995
01:11:51,931 --> 01:11:53,791
Like, and you know, we're all at the vents.

996
01:11:54,150 --> 01:11:58,431
Everybody in Bitcoin is just a cool, normal person who, like, you know, because Walker,

997
01:11:58,431 --> 01:12:01,451
you watch these guys on the podcast, you think they like have some celebrity status.

998
01:12:01,451 --> 01:12:03,991
It's like, no, they just, they talk to everybody.

999
01:12:04,251 --> 01:12:05,251
Everybody talks to everybody.

1000
01:12:05,671 --> 01:12:07,571
We have really cool, fun times at the events.

1001
01:12:07,650 --> 01:12:08,810
It's actually honestly great.

1002
01:12:08,951 --> 01:12:11,891
I know people don't go because they don't want to dox and opsec and all that stuff.

1003
01:12:11,931 --> 01:12:15,270
But, like, dude, it's so refreshing to be around your people.

1004
01:12:16,270 --> 01:12:19,650
And it's not just because we're like, oh, yeah, we're all rich.

1005
01:12:19,730 --> 01:12:20,710
Bitcoins, we're all getting rich.

1006
01:12:20,751 --> 01:12:21,471
We love money.

1007
01:12:21,791 --> 01:12:22,491
That's not what it's about.

1008
01:12:22,971 --> 01:12:24,411
It's spiritual.

1009
01:12:24,751 --> 01:12:29,891
It's a spiritual communing that we do with each other over this optimism about the future,

1010
01:12:29,891 --> 01:12:32,251
which we can't find in any other arena of life.

1011
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:33,491
And I think like deeply,

1012
01:12:33,671 --> 01:12:34,751
like the communists and the fascists

1013
01:12:34,751 --> 01:12:36,951
both just in a big sense

1014
01:12:36,951 --> 01:12:38,531
want you to have a horrible life.

1015
01:12:38,831 --> 01:12:40,270
They want you to have a miserable life

1016
01:12:40,270 --> 01:12:42,571
and they want you to cede all your power to them.

1017
01:12:42,891 --> 01:12:44,810
I want you, my call to you

1018
01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:47,091
is to take your power for yourself

1019
01:12:47,091 --> 01:12:49,471
and have a beautiful, amazing life.

1020
01:12:49,591 --> 01:12:50,650
That's what I want for you.

1021
01:12:50,710 --> 01:12:52,071
That's what we want for you.

1022
01:12:52,270 --> 01:12:53,770
That's what Bitcoiners want for you.

1023
01:12:53,791 --> 01:12:55,011
And we want to be surrounded

1024
01:12:55,011 --> 01:12:57,491
by people that are like us.

1025
01:12:57,851 --> 01:12:59,351
We want to be surrounded by people

1026
01:12:59,351 --> 01:13:06,471
who feel good, who are sovereign, who have, you know, prosperity in their life, who have a feeling

1027
01:13:06,471 --> 01:13:12,131
that they are a unique sovereign individual who can't be, they're not just a puppet, you know,

1028
01:13:12,190 --> 01:13:18,331
on state land. They don't just exist to serve some dictator's preferences or some oligarchy's

1029
01:13:18,331 --> 01:13:26,491
desires. They exist to serve their own needs, their own desires in this deep, meaningful,

1030
01:13:26,491 --> 01:13:30,710
like upward trajectory of the Maslow hierarchy sense of self-actualization.

1031
01:13:31,491 --> 01:13:33,171
And to be surrounded, let me tell you, like seriously,

1032
01:13:33,310 --> 01:13:35,190
like to be surrounded by people like that is electric.

1033
01:13:36,031 --> 01:13:38,971
And I think that like if we seriously get organized

1034
01:13:38,971 --> 01:13:45,270
and begin to expand this movement, we are the third way.

1035
01:13:45,710 --> 01:13:47,991
Like people are going to want to join.

1036
01:13:48,230 --> 01:13:52,210
Even people who end up having smaller amounts of Bitcoin than OGs or whatever

1037
01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:55,291
are going to want to be there just for the cultural revival.

1038
01:13:55,291 --> 01:14:01,110
you know when like the the world needs this so much right now because both the right and left

1039
01:14:01,110 --> 01:14:07,190
they are both nihilistic and that nihilism is it is sincerely based on there isn't a god you

1040
01:14:07,190 --> 01:14:13,291
aren't powerful you don't have agency you aren't sovereign you need this fucked up movement of

1041
01:14:13,291 --> 01:14:19,610
violent political power in order to protect you and to be able to implement your ideology against

1042
01:14:19,610 --> 01:14:25,291
the enemy. Whereas we say, fuck both of those sides. You are an empowered individual through

1043
01:14:25,291 --> 01:14:31,131
God. You with your private keys are a lone individual that is empowered against a system

1044
01:14:31,131 --> 01:14:36,491
that hates you and wants to steal from you. And it cannot. And because of the way that we

1045
01:14:36,491 --> 01:14:40,710
participate in a consensus together that makes sure that others can't steal you,

1046
01:14:41,011 --> 01:14:45,911
each new individual that joins us makes our movement all the more powerful and disempowers

1047
01:14:45,911 --> 01:14:51,851
their movement all the more. And this empowerment isn't based upon you joining our collective

1048
01:14:51,851 --> 01:14:58,971
ideology. It's about you joining in the true prosperity of what logic is and how cryptography

1049
01:14:58,971 --> 01:15:04,831
can allow for a total substrate of society to create a new form of law that truly is exceptional

1050
01:15:04,831 --> 01:15:12,351
in that when you are protecting your Bitcoin using thoughtful, secure protocols, no one can

1051
01:15:12,351 --> 01:15:27,496
steal it from you no matter what And there is no government no nation state no politician that can ever make any sort of guarantee like that to you And that why this is the beginning of a radical new movement And through that we can say

1052
01:15:27,636 --> 01:15:31,976
it's not the Republicans that have the power to create money. It's not the Democrats.

1053
01:15:32,276 --> 01:15:38,856
It's not the deep state. It's that no one, no one is entitled to create more money that devalues

1054
01:15:38,856 --> 01:15:45,176
your money. But more importantly, it devalues you as a human being. That's what this entire

1055
01:15:45,176 --> 01:15:50,876
political paradigm for the last hundred years that is called fiat is about. It is about other

1056
01:15:50,876 --> 01:15:58,456
people getting to determine what your value is and devaluing you by revaluing their own wealth

1057
01:15:58,456 --> 01:16:03,476
and the people close to them more than you. And we say enough of this garbage and bullshit.

1058
01:16:03,876 --> 01:16:09,636
It's time to lateralize in such a way to say that all people everywhere are entitled to the wealth

1059
01:16:09,636 --> 01:16:15,136
that they earn for themselves at the price that they deserve. And that once you've secured that

1060
01:16:15,136 --> 01:16:20,896
for you that belongs to you and only you. And we want to invite as many people to join us from

1061
01:16:20,896 --> 01:16:26,616
all cultures and walks of life. It doesn't matter if you're black or white or green or a dog or an

1062
01:16:26,616 --> 01:16:33,396
alien or black or trans or anything. Everyone is welcomed into Bitcoin in the most radical sense,

1063
01:16:33,396 --> 01:16:38,496
in a way that no form of political party today could guarantee in any meaningful way.

1064
01:16:38,916 --> 01:16:43,636
I mean, we literally have fucking anonymous individuals who none of us know their real

1065
01:16:43,636 --> 01:16:49,176
identities creating and building some of the most powerful tools that we've ever seen i mean like

1066
01:16:49,176 --> 01:16:55,156
like almost sort of flippantly and casually like fucking jack and callie just built out tools that

1067
01:16:55,156 --> 01:17:00,476
like are overthrowing governments now and it's fucking extraordinary because like and it's

1068
01:17:00,476 --> 01:17:04,676
hilarious because like this returns jack all the way back to the fucking origin of twitter

1069
01:17:04,676 --> 01:17:08,836
which was originally created as a method for people to communicate during protests

1070
01:17:08,836 --> 01:17:24,616
But that whole thing got derailed into this. And now it's risen again like a phoenix in the form of BitChat. And people can actually collectivize and use nodes and utilize their phones in such a way that they can have this unstoppable form of communication.

1071
01:17:24,616 --> 01:17:29,836
and again returning to sort of the original conversation we had this is all about the

1072
01:17:29,836 --> 01:17:35,756
freedom of speech and it's when people can get together and go hey this abusive system that uses

1073
01:17:35,756 --> 01:17:41,556
algorithms to push our buttons and make us angry and hateful and divide us it's fucking bullshit

1074
01:17:41,556 --> 01:17:47,376
when we actually have a true open form that we can debate and discuss with each other we realize that

1075
01:17:47,376 --> 01:17:52,436
we're all sick and tired of the forms of abuse and nihilism that have been consuming and eating

1076
01:17:52,436 --> 01:17:58,776
all of us and that no longer do we want to tolerate being abused in this way and we do have a real

1077
01:17:58,776 --> 01:18:03,616
answer and that answer is through bitcoin and the sort of culture that we're implementing with each

1078
01:18:03,616 --> 01:18:08,256
other and all of the different fields of expertise that come to here and how people see that there's

1079
01:18:08,256 --> 01:18:14,896
truly something to celebrate and create together when we can go into what it means to create a low

1080
01:18:14,896 --> 01:18:22,396
time preference form of life that that is really what americanism is about so i'm as dark as these

1081
01:18:22,396 --> 01:18:26,856
times are. I'm really excited for the fact that I think that this is pushing us sort of towards

1082
01:18:26,856 --> 01:18:31,296
front and center for more people to start thinking about as a real political solution.

1083
01:18:32,376 --> 01:18:37,196
And, you know, like not to be cringe, but I don't care about being cringe. Like Bitcoin,

1084
01:18:37,436 --> 01:18:43,316
Bitcoin saved me. Bitcoin saved me. And not like in a biblical sense or anything like I believe in

1085
01:18:43,316 --> 01:18:48,796
God. Right. I don't think Bitcoin saved my immortal soul. But Bitcoin saved me from the

1086
01:18:48,796 --> 01:18:57,696
brink of nihilism because it was a practical tool that I could use to build a more beautiful future,

1087
01:18:58,156 --> 01:19:05,156
build out the kingdom of heaven. And, you know, I bet a lot of us share that story where we felt

1088
01:19:05,156 --> 01:19:11,116
very nihilistic, like the place that and probably we got there sooner than other people because of

1089
01:19:11,116 --> 01:19:15,556
like a slumdog millionaire life experience thing where like we were just the anointed ones who saw

1090
01:19:15,556 --> 01:19:21,276
it early just because just because the happenstance of of our experiences in life right like where

1091
01:19:21,276 --> 01:19:24,856
you know if you remember the movie slumdog million there's nothing particularly interesting about this

1092
01:19:24,856 --> 01:19:29,536
guy he's just a random indian guy who just happened to have the exact set of life experiences

1093
01:19:29,536 --> 01:19:37,156
it's destiny right like it's destiny and i think that we saw it early and so we were able to get

1094
01:19:37,156 --> 01:19:42,176
to bitcoin sooner and maybe other people weren't as nihilist maybe the last like 10 years of

1095
01:19:42,176 --> 01:19:47,076
politics, which has felt so turbulent and full of turmoil, has really been about people grappling

1096
01:19:47,076 --> 01:19:53,176
with the death of the old system. You know, because we're seeing now nihilism is ever present.

1097
01:19:53,376 --> 01:19:58,756
Gen Z is basically almost entirely nihilistic. It's hitting the boomer generation. It's hitting

1098
01:19:58,756 --> 01:20:06,876
the millennial generation. It's the place that we were all in, probably post great financial crisis.

1099
01:20:06,876 --> 01:20:11,916
I was certainly in that place. After the GFC, I realized like the game was up. It was all rigged.

1100
01:20:12,176 --> 01:20:14,456
You know, like it hit me like a shot in the heart.

1101
01:20:14,696 --> 01:20:21,416
I remember reading some journalist who had come to one of the Bitcoin conferences, and he was talking about all of us.

1102
01:20:21,456 --> 01:20:23,736
And he said that, do you remember the great financial crisis?

1103
01:20:23,976 --> 01:20:28,696
Did you think maybe it was bad policy or, you know, somebody should have gone to jail for it?

1104
01:20:28,756 --> 01:20:29,716
Not the Bitcoiners.

1105
01:20:29,936 --> 01:20:37,156
To the Bitcoiners, the great financial crisis was the equivalent of seeing Santa Claus dragged out of the house on Christmas Eve and shot in the head in the middle of the street.

1106
01:20:37,556 --> 01:20:39,156
And that's right.

1107
01:20:39,216 --> 01:20:40,056
That's how I felt.

1108
01:20:40,236 --> 01:20:41,036
That's how I felt.

1109
01:20:41,036 --> 01:20:42,556
More like he was burned alive.

1110
01:20:42,776 --> 01:20:42,996
Right.

1111
01:20:43,576 --> 01:20:44,976
That's how I felt.

1112
01:20:45,076 --> 01:20:47,516
And so we were in the nihilistic place earlier.

1113
01:20:48,376 --> 01:20:56,456
And I think that because of that, we have a responsibility to act as shepherds and guides to other people who are just now starting to claw their way out of the nihilism.

1114
01:20:56,836 --> 01:20:59,556
And Bitcoin is the practical tool by which they can do that.

1115
01:20:59,796 --> 01:20:59,936
Right.

1116
01:21:00,276 --> 01:21:00,936
And so it's like.

1117
01:21:01,656 --> 01:21:02,056
Yeah.

1118
01:21:02,176 --> 01:21:02,376
Yeah.

1119
01:21:02,496 --> 01:21:02,756
Go ahead.

1120
01:21:03,716 --> 01:21:10,396
The nihilism is really important because, like, you have to go into the thick black of night to truly question, like, is there no meaning to anything?

1121
01:21:10,396 --> 01:21:16,136
Is there no God? Is there no reason? And so I challenged that, like, it wasn't fate that brought us here, but providence.

1122
01:21:16,436 --> 01:21:22,336
Because through us doing that, our own quivering and shaking around the true existential dread of like, is there no God?

1123
01:21:22,456 --> 01:21:31,356
Is there no purpose or meaning? Like, is this bullshit existence the one that we've been given to eke out to try to max out our 401ks,

1124
01:21:31,556 --> 01:21:38,136
to work our 40-hour weeks for 40 years so that we can retire and eke out just a little bit of existence and snuff out into nothing?

1125
01:21:38,136 --> 01:21:40,876
or is there something bigger and more meaningful?

1126
01:21:41,036 --> 01:21:42,356
Does truth actually matter?

1127
01:21:42,516 --> 01:21:45,636
Is there some plausible way that somehow

1128
01:21:45,636 --> 01:21:47,916
this fucked up magic internet money thing,

1129
01:21:47,996 --> 01:21:51,716
as stupid and as ludicrous and absurd as this idea,

1130
01:21:52,236 --> 01:21:55,596
is there some way that this lone individual,

1131
01:21:55,756 --> 01:21:56,596
Satoshi Nakamoto,

1132
01:21:56,816 --> 01:22:00,396
actually cobbled together these pieces in such a way

1133
01:22:00,396 --> 01:22:02,876
that this could actually be the solution?

1134
01:22:03,596 --> 01:22:05,156
And a decade ago,

1135
01:22:05,156 --> 01:22:07,856
that was a pretty fucking ludicrous principle,

1136
01:22:07,856 --> 01:22:13,736
But because we were so driven and shaken by this existential nihilism of like, could this actually be true?

1137
01:22:13,956 --> 01:22:15,456
We ran the shit all the way down.

1138
01:22:15,576 --> 01:22:17,096
We kicked the tires repeatedly.

1139
01:22:17,456 --> 01:22:20,016
And we're like, this is actually it.

1140
01:22:20,016 --> 01:22:24,896
And we said that in spite of being in front of other people who are like, you're a fucking moron.

1141
01:22:25,196 --> 01:22:26,576
Bitcoin could never work.

1142
01:22:26,796 --> 01:22:28,116
It's going to go to zero.

1143
01:22:28,676 --> 01:22:36,396
I was recounting to another friend recently about how I had a very close friend who, a brilliant man, you know, he graduated.

1144
01:22:36,396 --> 01:22:42,456
valedictorian brown valedictorian harvard law school clerk for the supreme court brilliant man

1145
01:22:42,456 --> 01:22:47,556
so when i was pitching him about bitcoin at 800 about how this was the most important innovation

1146
01:22:47,556 --> 01:22:53,316
in human history was like hold up there he was like i'm just gonna say it like i'm smarter than

1147
01:22:53,316 --> 01:23:00,756
you like sell all your bitcoin put it into s p 500 and be happy with it and the moment he said

1148
01:23:00,756 --> 01:23:04,396
that i was like our friendship is done i didn't say that to him but i knew that and i was like

1149
01:23:04,396 --> 01:23:10,096
look, man, like agree to disagree. Like this thing's going to the moon. It's the most important

1150
01:23:10,096 --> 01:23:14,176
development that's happened in human history. And I really hope that you're going to think about it

1151
01:23:14,176 --> 01:23:18,676
again. And I haven't spoken to him since. I think he's a good person, but it was, I've encountered

1152
01:23:18,676 --> 01:23:23,896
that time and time again. And it was only through my conviction of returning to the truth as the

1153
01:23:23,896 --> 01:23:30,596
most radical principle that I had to govern myself, that I had to be like, everyone else is wrong

1154
01:23:30,596 --> 01:23:36,056
about this. And they're wrong because every time that I approach them about the facts and the truth

1155
01:23:36,056 --> 01:23:41,736
about what this thing is, they always go back to some ideological bullshit or some authoritarian

1156
01:23:41,736 --> 01:23:47,616
decree that they're somehow better than me. And that's bullshit. If they can actually debate me

1157
01:23:47,616 --> 01:23:53,516
on its face, on principle about why I'm wrong, sure. And this returns us all the way back to

1158
01:23:53,516 --> 01:23:58,976
what Kirk represented. Bitcoin is this thing that we need to start being forceful with other people

1159
01:23:58,976 --> 01:24:05,116
about like, this is the fucking answer. And if it's not, prove it to me. Use dialogue. Use debate.

1160
01:24:05,576 --> 01:24:10,536
Tell me logically about why Bitcoin is going to fail. Tell me why this isn't the answer that all

1161
01:24:10,536 --> 01:24:17,156
peoples everywhere need. Tell me why this doesn't end the endemic exploitation of fiat, which to be

1162
01:24:17,156 --> 01:24:23,996
clear, you fucking support. You call yourself a liberal and you support war. How fucking dare you?

1163
01:24:23,996 --> 01:24:30,956
How dare you come to me and say that what I'm doing is wrong when you support a system that inherently props up violence?

1164
01:24:31,596 --> 01:24:32,416
How dare you?

1165
01:24:32,916 --> 01:24:34,656
And I'm not going to fucking stand for it anymore.

1166
01:24:34,756 --> 01:24:44,556
And I think it's time that as Bitcoiners, we actually stand up and start pushing people and go, if you actually believe any of the fucking shit that you say, tell me why Bitcoin isn't the answer to this problem.

1167
01:24:44,936 --> 01:24:50,796
And I think that we're going to find that through pushing that, we're going to find new and different solutions.

1168
01:24:50,796 --> 01:24:55,176
And we're actually going to start finding that people do want to start collectivizing ourselves in a new way.

1169
01:24:55,296 --> 01:24:58,256
And I think that there's a new form of politics to be discovered here.

1170
01:24:58,256 --> 01:25:02,216
And like, I think it's that we need to go through state legislatures.

1171
01:25:02,576 --> 01:25:06,256
I think that that's actually the key. We need to ignore the federal jurisdiction.

1172
01:25:06,656 --> 01:25:13,016
And we need to start trying to empower states in a radical and new and different way that allows for us a much greater focus.

1173
01:25:13,196 --> 01:25:17,616
And we can go state by state and essentially convert each one and then move forward.

1174
01:25:17,616 --> 01:25:22,256
But again, this is a massive task that I'm woefully unprepared for.

1175
01:25:22,356 --> 01:25:27,456
So I hope that there's some young charismatic individual out there who's waiting to take the baton.

1176
01:25:28,236 --> 01:25:32,736
Did I buy a bunch of Orange Party domains right before this episode?

1177
01:25:33,236 --> 01:25:38,816
Did I start the at the Orange Party YouTube channel right before this episode?

1178
01:25:39,176 --> 01:25:39,856
Did I?

1179
01:25:39,916 --> 01:25:42,016
I didn't start a new RSS feed before this episode.

1180
01:25:42,136 --> 01:25:43,256
I didn't have enough time.

1181
01:25:43,256 --> 01:25:46,396
but did I also start orange party pod,

1182
01:25:46,476 --> 01:25:47,216
uh,

1183
01:25:47,216 --> 01:25:48,896
Twitter account for this episode X,

1184
01:25:48,996 --> 01:25:49,416
excuse me.

1185
01:25:50,256 --> 01:25:50,436
Yes,

1186
01:25:50,476 --> 01:25:50,836
it is.

1187
01:25:50,936 --> 01:25:52,776
It is funny because I feel like the more,

1188
01:25:52,956 --> 01:25:54,696
the more me and Eric are on stream together,

1189
01:25:54,696 --> 01:25:57,196
the more we're goading each other into running triple.

1190
01:25:57,356 --> 01:25:58,876
You guys are so close,

1191
01:25:58,976 --> 01:25:59,216
man.

1192
01:25:59,276 --> 01:26:00,236
You're so close.

1193
01:26:00,376 --> 01:26:02,976
You'll be a charismatic duo would be too.

1194
01:26:03,116 --> 01:26:05,136
I'm just saying out there.

1195
01:26:05,196 --> 01:26:05,696
I'll be,

1196
01:26:05,796 --> 01:26:07,076
I'll be your chief of staff.

1197
01:26:07,076 --> 01:26:07,776
I'll be in the,

1198
01:26:07,796 --> 01:26:07,916
you know,

1199
01:26:07,916 --> 01:26:08,736
the one in the backgrounds.

1200
01:26:08,836 --> 01:26:11,196
I'll be the one kneecapping people when I need to.

1201
01:26:11,196 --> 01:26:14,216
That's what I've understood chiefs of staffs do these days.

1202
01:26:14,436 --> 01:26:15,656
You need to have people.

1203
01:26:16,216 --> 01:26:19,016
I mean, I need my story arc of saving California.

1204
01:26:19,496 --> 01:26:27,596
And like I have this karmic sin of I worked for Gavin Newsom's original campaign to get him elected to mayor of San Francisco.

1205
01:26:27,876 --> 01:26:30,376
So like I initiated his political career.

1206
01:26:30,556 --> 01:26:31,036
So I need to help.

1207
01:26:31,036 --> 01:26:31,556
It's your fault.

1208
01:26:31,976 --> 01:26:32,916
It's your fault.

1209
01:26:33,476 --> 01:26:33,636
Yeah.

1210
01:26:33,776 --> 01:26:38,176
There's actually like a pretty decent argument that like I actually it is my fault.

1211
01:26:38,176 --> 01:26:41,136
So I don't know, guys.

1212
01:26:41,196 --> 01:26:46,356
like it's it's really scary but it's also a gift because like uh because i've had people ask me

1213
01:26:46,356 --> 01:26:51,896
very directly you know they're like it seems like this stuff could actually become like very real in

1214
01:26:51,896 --> 01:26:56,656
your personal life and those threats could find you like aren't you aren't you worried and scared

1215
01:26:56,656 --> 01:27:01,796
for your kids and and my answer always to them is like yeah but you know what worries and scares me

1216
01:27:01,796 --> 01:27:07,256
a lot more is a world where my kids don't have privacy there's a world where my kids have to be

1217
01:27:07,256 --> 01:27:13,996
afraid of what they say publicly out loud because of how that backlashes on them i'm i'm much more

1218
01:27:13,996 --> 01:27:19,796
afraid of the world that's going to be given to us if we don't do anything than the possibility of me

1219
01:27:19,796 --> 01:27:24,776
losing my life or being attacked or whatever simply because i'm going to speak publicly

1220
01:27:24,776 --> 01:27:31,656
and that risk to me is well worth it and furthermore like how fucking glorious right

1221
01:27:31,656 --> 01:27:38,876
Like, as tragic as what happened to Kurt, I fucking venerate and honor and respect him.

1222
01:27:38,996 --> 01:27:47,576
And he will go down in glory as a man in the history of America at a time when things were dark, who is courageous enough to stand up and speak truth to power.

1223
01:27:48,076 --> 01:27:56,256
Because as I said on your Noster Post Hodel, that like, this is what the ancient Greeks called parousia, which immediately and directly translates to freedom of speech.

1224
01:27:56,256 --> 01:28:02,056
because about being able to speak openly in a form frankly and directly to what the problems are

1225
01:28:02,056 --> 01:28:07,156
without feeling threatened but the irony that that also that Foucault pointed out is that like

1226
01:28:07,156 --> 01:28:12,596
if you just stand up and start speaking fucking dumb shit like you the people actually be like

1227
01:28:12,596 --> 01:28:17,896
he actually wasted the assembly's time in enough of an idiotic way that like he's not even welcome

1228
01:28:17,896 --> 01:28:22,996
to live here anymore like fuck him he's gone and like that's really important because like well

1229
01:28:22,996 --> 01:28:32,836
Again, like what Kirk did repeatedly was shown that like a lot of people will stand up in a public form and start spouting off bullshit that they don't have no fucking clue about.

1230
01:28:33,496 --> 01:28:45,216
And that's really important because it shows not only are they idiots that don't know what they're talking about, but that in them choosing to present themselves publicly, they have a full mask off moment where they realize that they're a fucking moron too.

1231
01:28:45,376 --> 01:28:46,856
And that's really important.

1232
01:28:46,856 --> 01:28:52,856
it's important for people to be able to stand up make themselves an idiot and then be ostracized

1233
01:28:52,856 --> 01:28:57,116
because they what they said was fucking stupid and i welcome that and we need to welcome that

1234
01:28:57,116 --> 01:29:00,756
because that's the only way that we're actually going to establish who has logic and who's a

1235
01:29:00,756 --> 01:29:09,796
fucking moron yeah hey fucking man guys i've kept you for a while now um is there anything you want

1236
01:29:09,796 --> 01:29:15,156
to say i feel there was a lot of good things said is there anything else you want to say before we

1237
01:29:15,156 --> 01:29:20,516
close out um also yeah i would say i think yeah go ahead go ahead no i was just gonna say

1238
01:29:20,516 --> 01:29:27,016
well oh no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no you sir no i no i was i was just gonna say

1239
01:29:27,016 --> 01:29:33,696
okay that uh no i got it just i got it took the baton i gotta keep it i was just gonna say um

1240
01:29:33,696 --> 01:29:40,056
listen man on the nihilism point we were there i was there eric was there walker was there

1241
01:29:40,056 --> 01:29:42,196
we all really felt it.

1242
01:29:42,396 --> 01:29:43,876
We were staring into the abyss,

1243
01:29:44,876 --> 01:29:46,256
wondering if our lives had meaning,

1244
01:29:46,976 --> 01:29:48,296
wondering if God was real,

1245
01:29:48,576 --> 01:29:53,316
wondering if anything good was ever going to happen for us.

1246
01:29:55,176 --> 01:29:58,156
And thinking probably that none of it

1247
01:29:58,156 --> 01:30:01,616
was ever going to happen for us.

1248
01:30:01,836 --> 01:30:04,376
And then somehow, some voice,

1249
01:30:05,556 --> 01:30:07,316
something, some spark,

1250
01:30:08,496 --> 01:30:09,516
compels you to move.

1251
01:30:10,056 --> 01:30:23,836
Right. And I would say that whether you're a communist or a Nazi socialist or a groiper, you should listen to that voice.

1252
01:30:24,776 --> 01:30:30,876
And we welcome all of you to Bitcoin if it compels you to move towards Bitcoin.

1253
01:30:32,556 --> 01:30:37,436
You deserve you deserve a good life, like truly like you deserve a good life.

1254
01:30:37,436 --> 01:30:44,196
Like, I don't know, if you're listening to this message, I don't know why you convinced yourself.

1255
01:30:44,896 --> 01:30:45,936
I don't know why I did.

1256
01:30:46,536 --> 01:30:48,616
I guess it all just seemed hopeless at the time.

1257
01:30:49,156 --> 01:30:54,536
But there was a time in my life where I convinced myself that I didn't deserve anything good to happen to me.

1258
01:30:54,916 --> 01:30:56,816
You know, I didn't deserve anything good in life.

1259
01:30:58,056 --> 01:31:02,536
And something in me just said, that's bullshit.

1260
01:31:02,816 --> 01:31:04,776
And it started off as like a quiet whisper.

1261
01:31:04,776 --> 01:31:09,256
and it grew and grew the more I took ownership and responsibility

1262
01:31:09,256 --> 01:31:12,356
and started taking positive forward action

1263
01:31:12,356 --> 01:31:13,956
in order to change my circumstances.

1264
01:31:15,076 --> 01:31:19,996
And that was what led me to Bitcoin, you know.

1265
01:31:20,236 --> 01:31:24,296
And Bitcoin really did meaningfully impact my life,

1266
01:31:24,576 --> 01:31:26,176
give me hope and optimism for the future,

1267
01:31:27,036 --> 01:31:29,616
allow me to have a lens outside of the current political paradigm,

1268
01:31:30,556 --> 01:31:34,256
make me quite prosperous, give me a lot of really cool friendships,

1269
01:31:34,776 --> 01:31:37,216
intellectual discussions and debates,

1270
01:31:37,516 --> 01:31:40,856
more meaning, more purpose,

1271
01:31:41,836 --> 01:31:44,096
the ability to have a bigger family,

1272
01:31:44,996 --> 01:31:48,276
the ability to have autonomy in my time,

1273
01:31:49,336 --> 01:31:52,716
the ability to have freedom of association.

1274
01:31:54,176 --> 01:31:55,656
Bitcoin gave me all those things.

1275
01:31:55,656 --> 01:31:58,916
So it's a very powerful tool.

1276
01:31:58,916 --> 01:32:00,496
and

1277
01:32:00,496 --> 01:32:05,176
it's non-violent at its core.

1278
01:32:05,476 --> 01:32:07,576
We're not trying to compel anybody to do anything.

1279
01:32:08,096 --> 01:32:10,676
We're not going to force you to, you know,

1280
01:32:11,036 --> 01:32:11,636
get Bitcoin.

1281
01:32:12,556 --> 01:32:14,996
But we're not going to use state power against you.

1282
01:32:16,016 --> 01:32:17,796
We just are asking

1283
01:32:17,796 --> 01:32:22,256
for you to care about yourself.

1284
01:32:22,636 --> 01:32:23,056
That's it.

1285
01:32:23,196 --> 01:32:24,996
It's not even about us or Bitcoin.

1286
01:32:25,796 --> 01:32:26,796
It's just about you.

1287
01:32:28,916 --> 01:32:42,876
It's interesting because as I brought up Foucault and this idea of parousia, the freedom of speech and to stand and speak publicly, Foucault actually linked this back to an idea of self-care, of that parousia is actually the greatest form of self-care that there is.

1288
01:32:43,256 --> 01:32:58,396
And I think that that's true with Bitcoin, too, is that like this is about the most radical form of love that there is, because you're actually saying that when you labor and you choose to allocate your wealth into something that you have labored for, that this is now a medium and mode that truly belongs to you.

1289
01:32:58,396 --> 01:33:00,356
It's the preeminent form of property.

1290
01:33:00,896 --> 01:33:09,636
And that property is what allows you access to all the forms of material things that actually offer you life in a meaningful way.

1291
01:33:09,896 --> 01:33:19,356
But even more importantly, it exits and goes beyond the current political system that always has methodologies to extract and rob individuals of resources.

1292
01:33:19,356 --> 01:33:32,596
And so I think it's really important that, and again, as you pointed out, Bitcoin doesn't have any, like we don't have a law enforcement arm. There isn't anything we have here to force people into it.

1293
01:33:32,596 --> 01:33:50,396
And furthermore, if you're someone that is exploited and is in danger or could have your money stolen from you, the fact that you can cloak yourself with a non-amendity and use the cryptographic protocol on its substrate to actually truly protect yourself using cryptography is an extremely important thing.

1294
01:33:51,356 --> 01:33:56,876
And I want to be very clear that Bitcoin is not a right wing nor a left wing movement.

1295
01:33:56,876 --> 01:34:16,276
It is something that is beyond and above both of those movements because it truly engages in the political once again, because this is about who do we want to be as a people in a technologically advanced future? Are we going to be people that are going to live inside a surveillance panopticon that is going to destroy the very idea of privacy itself?

1296
01:34:16,276 --> 01:34:34,076
Or are we going to empower ourselves in such a way to use this technology to say, no, there are areas where we have God-given rights towards ourselves to be protected and to have privacy and to return to these core ideals that really are what the Constitution of America is about?

1297
01:34:34,076 --> 01:34:58,496
And are we going to make a choice to now infuse and inject into our constitution a technologically forward viewpoint that allows for us to say, yes, it turns out that the first, second, third, fourth and fifth amendment are all enshrined in Bitcoin, that you have a right to self-custodial your own own keys and that no government has any right to try to forcibly decrypt you from that.

1298
01:34:58,496 --> 01:35:03,336
that is going to become a preeminent thing in the future and how we're going to very much make an

1299
01:35:03,336 --> 01:35:10,256
active choice as a peoples together to create a new future for all people. And to be important,

1300
01:35:10,436 --> 01:35:14,336
this is why it's related back to sort of the founding fathers and the foundation of America

1301
01:35:14,336 --> 01:35:20,936
is that like, this is the beginning of something totally new that modifies all of human history

1302
01:35:20,936 --> 01:35:26,776
moving forward. If we get this right and can do it correctly, there will be profound ramifications

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01:35:26,776 --> 01:35:32,136
that will echo throughout the centuries that are to come. And people will talk about us

1304
01:35:32,136 --> 01:35:39,116
hundreds of years from now saying, wow, these men saw that early on how important this technology

1305
01:35:39,116 --> 01:35:46,116
was, and were able to beat back the dark nihilism of the moment, utilizing this technology as a

1306
01:35:46,116 --> 01:35:51,136
bright jewel that could shine for all peoples everywhere to come towards because of the new

1307
01:35:51,136 --> 01:35:56,876
political paradigm that it implemented through cryptography and technology. So I just really

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01:35:56,876 --> 01:36:02,916
want to welcome everyone. And a more important note too, is that like, if you're listening to

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01:36:02,916 --> 01:36:08,156
this, you're part of a very, very small select group of people that you, like you, the dude

1310
01:36:08,156 --> 01:36:13,396
listening to it right now, washing your dishes, who has only talked to Bitcoin, maybe in a kind of

1311
01:36:13,396 --> 01:36:18,896
a casual way of help people. It's like you, dude, you have the responsibility to start going out in

1312
01:36:18,896 --> 01:36:22,476
your community and actually really having these real conversations with people going, no,

1313
01:36:22,916 --> 01:36:27,456
this isn't about money. This is about something much bigger. This is about how we can choose to

1314
01:36:27,456 --> 01:36:33,976
solve these seemingly unsolvable political problems through a new technological methodology.

1315
01:36:34,216 --> 01:36:39,156
And that's your responsibility. And it's going to only be through all of us who are already present

1316
01:36:39,156 --> 01:36:44,116
here to really take the responsibility to push forward and have uncomfortable and difficult

1317
01:36:44,116 --> 01:36:48,456
conversations with people that there's going to be days it feels like you only lose.

1318
01:36:48,896 --> 01:36:52,376
But there's also going to be days where you talk to somebody and something clicks hard for them.

1319
01:36:52,876 --> 01:36:54,856
And they get to change their life.

1320
01:36:55,276 --> 01:36:56,516
And that shit pays dividends.

1321
01:36:56,736 --> 01:37:01,876
I can't tell you how many times I've met people who came up to me and said, hey, I heard you on a podcast a couple years ago.

1322
01:37:02,076 --> 01:37:03,376
I started stacking.

1323
01:37:03,696 --> 01:37:05,636
The price popped hard at one point.

1324
01:37:05,636 --> 01:37:08,956
And suddenly I had enough money that I could quit my job and start a business.

1325
01:37:09,256 --> 01:37:11,296
And now I'm doing shit that I fucking love.

1326
01:37:11,836 --> 01:37:12,796
And like, thanks, man.

1327
01:37:13,296 --> 01:37:18,356
Like, there's a real possibility for you to get to have that opportunity to change somebody's life in a meaningful way.

1328
01:37:18,356 --> 01:37:22,096
because Bitcoin is going to keep doing what it's been doing over the last decade.

1329
01:37:22,716 --> 01:37:25,756
And as it does that, people are going to become very present to the fact

1330
01:37:25,756 --> 01:37:29,656
that this can radically change the world in a positive way for everybody

1331
01:37:29,656 --> 01:37:33,836
so that we don't have to look towards these nihilistic and hateful solutions

1332
01:37:33,836 --> 01:37:38,436
and that we can actually choose to make a better future for all peoples everywhere.

1333
01:37:41,116 --> 01:37:42,316
I have no notes.

1334
01:37:43,856 --> 01:37:44,336
Amen.

1335
01:37:44,336 --> 01:37:52,476
All I'd like to say is American huddle Eric Kasin 2020 something or 2030

1336
01:37:52,476 --> 01:37:53,936
something orange party.

1337
01:37:54,896 --> 01:37:55,836
It's going to happen.

1338
01:37:56,036 --> 01:37:56,796
It is written.

1339
01:37:57,296 --> 01:37:57,996
It is inevitable.

1340
01:37:59,816 --> 01:38:01,016
There's nothing I can do.

1341
01:38:01,176 --> 01:38:02,036
It's out of my hands.

1342
01:38:02,316 --> 01:38:03,496
I appreciate both of you guys.

1343
01:38:03,836 --> 01:38:08,056
We're going to have to work on our guy Swan.

1344
01:38:08,136 --> 01:38:10,056
We've got to work on our guy Swan podcast voice though.

1345
01:38:10,056 --> 01:38:10,496
You know,

1346
01:38:10,956 --> 01:38:11,916
it's like,

1347
01:38:12,056 --> 01:38:12,696
I know he's so,

1348
01:38:12,796 --> 01:38:13,816
he's so good.

1349
01:38:13,816 --> 01:38:17,276
And I'm not saying, by the way, that maybe Kaysen couldn't be the president

1350
01:38:17,276 --> 01:38:18,376
and you can't be the VP.

1351
01:38:19,256 --> 01:38:20,076
He's so smooth.

1352
01:38:21,056 --> 01:38:21,976
I'm okay with that.

1353
01:38:22,096 --> 01:38:22,636
I'm okay with VP.

1354
01:38:26,116 --> 01:38:27,716
We'll just do a dice roll for it.

1355
01:38:28,316 --> 01:38:28,716
There we go.

1356
01:38:28,856 --> 01:38:29,456
That works.

1357
01:38:29,536 --> 01:38:29,816
That works.

1358
01:38:29,896 --> 01:38:31,136
But, no, I appreciate you guys.

1359
01:38:31,416 --> 01:38:35,836
Me and Eric running the executive would just be like,

1360
01:38:36,196 --> 01:38:37,216
what's on the agenda today?

1361
01:38:37,416 --> 01:38:38,376
We mean nothing.

1362
01:38:38,756 --> 01:38:39,636
We're not doing shit.

1363
01:38:40,056 --> 01:38:41,936
Fucking the state works better when it doesn't work.

1364
01:38:43,816 --> 01:38:49,836
we're gonna we're gonna do dmt and consult with the uh we're gonna consult the aliens to see what

1365
01:38:49,836 --> 01:38:54,716
they want to do yeah i thought they were machine elves but i'll let it slide um tell the military

1366
01:38:54,716 --> 01:38:59,716
tell the military they get 10 bombs a year we don't care where they send them we don't yeah

1367
01:38:59,716 --> 01:39:04,736
10 that's it we we know they won't accept zero use them wisely use them wisely

1368
01:39:04,736 --> 01:39:10,116
they'll kill us if we say zero just a few drone strikes just to keep them happy

1369
01:39:10,116 --> 01:39:19,636
on that happy note i'm gonna cut this thing now appreciate you guys all right thank you gentlemen

1370
01:39:19,636 --> 01:39:34,356
and that's a wrap on this bitcoin talk episode of the bitcoin podcast remember to subscribe to

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01:39:34,356 --> 01:39:38,716
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01:39:44,816 --> 01:39:52,236
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1374
01:39:52,236 --> 01:39:58,696
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1375
01:39:58,696 --> 01:40:04,596
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1376
01:40:04,596 --> 01:40:11,816
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1377
01:40:11,816 --> 01:40:17,416
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Until next time, stay free.