on Nostra, there's users literally from all over the world,
every continent, and we're all zapping these sats
back and forth frictionlessly, and we're doing all of this
without having to create an account,
without having to convert currencies,
you know, without having to KYC ourselves.
The way I've seen Nostra work
and the way I've personally used it,
it just, to me, it's revolutionary for this kind of thing.
And so for an artist or a writer or a creator of any type,
you suddenly have the potential to have a worldwide audience,
a connection worldwide with anybody,
and if any of those people choose to support you,
they can do so instantly.
And those funds are in your wallet
and you can go spend them, and I mean,
it really is magical and that sounds cheesy,
but it truly is.
When someone's trying to join a platform,
or they're trying to get their name out,
and the level of hurdles they have to go through,
just to earn a cent, that's very, very discouraging.
And they're creative people, they just wanna be creative.
They wanna put their fingers on the guitar
and crank out what they do best,
but no, they put their fingers on their phone
and they're gonna act like they're socialites
and do some hashtags and everything like that.
Maybe they don't wanna do that,
but these platforms are not the way, the protocol,
you can skip all that redundancy, you just do it once,
you build your name through your music
and it's a totally different world.
I just think that can't be stressed enough
that this is just waiting for them
and you don't come thinking you're gonna get rich.
You're coming because the idea's there, the tools are there,
and you can be a sovereign musician,
sovereign artist, sovereign, whatever it may be,
but the idea's time has come.
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And let's be clear, I've only been a meat lord
for a couple of weeks now.
It was really just a combat against Corn Delorean.
He's been kind of a one man wrecking crew,
and I thought he needed a little taste of his own medicine.
Corn, do we have a response?
No, it's an honor to be here among two fantastic people.
So yeah, I notice on my screen, I
don't know how it is on yours.
My box is on top, above QWs.
So I assume that's on purpose.
No, man, there are so many good memers on Nostre.
And so I love shooting the memes back and forth
with people, especially when, especially like, you know,
every day there's kind of a steady flow of memes
or an ebb and flow.
But when something happens and it just triggers everybody,
at least I know for me, like, you just start firing them off
and people get so creative.
And man, it's so much fun when that happens.
It is wild to see, like, you know,
and it happens from little things, too.
Like, Jack posts a photo or, you know,
remember when everyone was Dan for a while, the Dan times?
Yeah.
That was great.
And it's incredible because it's all happening very much
in real time.
You're watching everybody do this.
But then if you weren't actively on Nostre
when one of these cataclysmic, well, not cataclysmic,
when one of these incredible events took place,
you're like, come back on like a day later or something.
I mean, I personally don't take that much time off of Nostre.
But if you do, you come back on and you're like,
what the fuck is that?
Why is everybody Dan?
Like, what the fuck did I?
What could I possibly have missed that just happened here?
This is insane.
But yeah, I've got to say, your guys back and forth,
Meme War, is a pretty powerful one.
It's like got some Montague and Capulet action going on.
Like, it's a blood rivalry built on top of memes.
It's kind of beautiful and poetic, though, really.
I mean, I dig it.
And they make me chuckle every time.
I'm like, I don't know who wins, though.
Like, does a meme feud ever end?
We messaged each other.
I don't know.
Maybe it was last week.
And we were like, how do you win a meme war?
Or maybe it was Avi.
He might have asked that.
Somebody asked, how do you win a meme war?
And we didn't really have a good answer.
But honestly, at this point, I don't even
remember how our meme war started or why it started.
But here we do.
Do you remember QW?
What kicked it off?
I think I instigated it like usual.
I'm always trying to stir some shit.
But I think one thing I learned, and I think it was a Sunday
morning that we really kicked it into gear,
is pace yourself.
Because if you start blasting memes, your mind can only
move so fast.
It seemed like we had like 10 or 20 memes within the first
two hours of the day.
And so much so that even my Bitcoin meetup, my local meetup,
someone posted in the telegram room that, hey, guys,
you guys are missing out on this meme war going on.
And I'm just laughing because it's like,
it has to be ripples or waves across the social media
and decentralized media.
I don't even know who would have even talked about it.
But one thing I do know is it was storming the feed.
So there was even one guy that had to mute me for the day
because it was too many memes.
So there is that.
You've got to find a nice flow to it, right?
Man, I don't know if, first of all, I
don't think I could mute.
I don't think I've ever muted somebody that I like as a fall.
Like, I've muted more reply guys than I can shake a stick at
and a lot of bots.
But I don't think I would just always want to see more memes.
Memes are the spice of life.
I don't know.
I guess some people, it's too much meme to handle.
But that's not me.
I say, keep the memes coming.
Keep them flowing.
It's a beautiful thing, right?
That we can actively communicate in this way.
Yeah, we've got fancy words and things like that.
But memes are just such a fucking effective way
to propagate ideas.
Like, that's the whole point of them, right?
And I have to say that I feel like Noster,
once folks, we started getting on Noster,
I feel like it somehow leveled up people's meme games
because it wasn't just what's going to get retweets and likes.
It was you were actually trying to create valuable memes that
weren't just rip offs of something somebody else had made.
You were trying to make something that was topical,
that was pertinent to what was being discussed,
that was really, of course, a meme should be relatable, right?
But I feel like Noster leveled up the meme game.
And Bitcoin Twitter was already pretty fire in terms of memes,
but it was a lot of just recycled shit,
a lot of stuff that's just getting ripped off from other people
and then reposted.
But like, Yeah, exactly.
But on Noster, it's like, no, no, no,
we're fucking taking this to the next level.
We are turning up the heat.
And I think that these meme skills will serve all of us
very well in the meme wars to come.
Because that's like an information war is just a meme war, right?
Like memes are the best way to disseminate information.
And if you're in an information war,
like the people that have the best memes are going to win.
Like that's, fuck, that's what presidential elections are.
They're just meme wars.
Like, yeah, it's what it comes down to.
I mean, in Taiwan, they actually
started a meme engineering team, basically,
that was countering disinformation from China.
And their whole approach was humor over rumor.
So and then you look at like the 2016 election, 2020 election,
you know, these these debates just turn into zingers
to where you can get, you know, he's eating the cats
and then all of a sudden the memes go off.
It's not even about content anymore.
It's about that that humor over rumor approach.
And you can see why, you know, the the state's kind of cracking down
on it, too, whether it's that one Ricky Vaughn guy that
got seven months for for his meme against the voting machines
or something.
So he did seven months for a meme and he's Ricky Vaughn.
The wild thing is his is his avatar, you know, and then,
you know, where we go with Newsom with his his AI deepfakes.
I mean, it's just a slippery slope in the meme meme them, you know.
So it's something that's real.
It's something that is effective and they know it.
And, you know, you asked where it began with me and Korn.
I remember now because I did what I did the other stuff challenge,
which I only used other stuff instead of kind one notes for an entire week
with Avi, so we were on fountain.
We were on obla.
We were on Zap.cooking.
We were on all these different other stuff, a part of Nostra,
using Nostra without notes, essentially.
And after I got that week done, I'm like, you know what?
What if I did Nostra with only memes and every reply was a meme?
Every everything I did was only a meme.
And I'm like, that seems like it just drive me nuts.
And then I'm like, fuck it.
Let's let's fight, let's fight Korn Korn.
Is that how you remember it as well from your side?
Or was it just all of a sudden, a sudden onslaught of memetic fury
was directed at you?
No, that sounds familiar.
And I do remember that one morning where I kind of took advantage
of our time zone difference.
And so QW and I have a few hours time zone
difference between us. So I was up early and I hammered out
probably a dozen memes just going, you know, they were all dumb.
But it was fun.
Posted them.
And and that way when he woke up, he would wake up to seeing,
you know, his notifications, hopefully tagged with all these memes.
And I think that kind of kicked things off from there.
Now, I love it.
And again, just like it is because, you know, you mentioned just
the Gavin Newsom's of the world and all this this crackdown on, quote,
misinformation and disinformation or hate speech
and these different laws that you're seeing going into effect around the world
that the UK is like, damn, you guys are you're really you are really fucking
things up right now.
And it's like, it seems to me sometimes just almost too good to be true
that Noester came along around this time.
Like perhaps perhaps it's one of those things where it's it's not a
coincidence at all.
Like Fiat Jaffa been working on this for a couple of years,
probably, I don't know his exact motivations, but presumably because he saw
some of the writings on the wall and decided, OK, we need an open source
protocol for free and open communication where people can remain anonymous
and not need to give up their personal identifiable information in order to
create an account here, right, and to have those accounts be portable across clients.
But like, man, it's getting really bad, really fast.
And I think that, I mean, I don't think it even necessarily matters who I mean,
probably matters a little bit who wins the next election in the US.
But I don't see the crackdown on free speech abating.
Like it seems to me like this is only intensifying.
And sadly, a lot of people are not going to decide to look for Noester
until they really, really, really need to like they realize, oh shit,
my ex-account or whatever my Facebook account is tied to my like actual name.
And I can have the police show up at my door because I posted, you know,
a dangerous meme. And there I think more and more people are going to realize
the power of anonymity, of pseudonymity, of not needing to tie your real
world self to your online presence, but still being able to have productive discourse.
Like you guys are both nims, right?
And I think that's fucking awesome that Noester enables that without you guys
needing to give away give away anything.
And I'm kind of curious, you know, without like without doing any sort of
doxing and whatever you are comfortable with sharing, I always like to ask the
question of like, who are you and how'd you get here today?
But maybe for you guys, let me just phrase this like, who is your,
who is your NIM? Who are you to whatever extent you are comfortable revealing it?
And how did you find your way to, to Noester?
And maybe corn, we can start with you.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So I, I, let's see, let's go back a few years to Twitter.
Just as my normal, normie, you know, normie self, I was never like super
active on Twitter, but I've had a Twitter account for most of the time of Twitter's
existence and just kind of used it to keep tabs on news, you know, politics,
weather, you know, just kind of like it was like a bulletin board and started
getting into Bitcoin about five years ago, I guess it was.
Curious about Bitcoin and started looking at Bitcoin on Twitter and kind of
found some accounts to start following again, just from my, from my norm,
normie account for lack of a better term.
And I don't know, you know, you just kind of saw how much fun people were
having with the memes.
The, the community grew on me, but I didn't really want to interact too much
from my regular account. I use it for other things as well.
And so I decided, Hey, you know, I'll just create, I'll create another account
for Bitcoin. So this will be my Bitcoin account.
And originally the name wasn't corn to Lori.
And it was, it was like something about hodling.
I don't know. I don't remember what it was.
Poon Tang hodler.
Or something. I would say hung like you're hung like a ball or something.
No, something that's your other account.
Gorilla balls, hodl 69 for 20.
That's a totally different topic and section of Twitter.
I get, you know, don't talk about that too much.
But after a couple of months using it, I decided I wanted to change the name
and, and went back and forth with a few people on Twitter.
And anyway, somebody helped me come up with a name.
I think originally I had, I had thought of manda cornean
and that didn't really roll off the tongue as well.
And then somebody was like, what about corn to Lorian?
I'm like, oh my gosh, this is perfect.
And so I found the, you know, the little corn Lego man
and a mandalorian helmet Photoshopped them together.
And thus was born this account.
And, you know, I love memes.
I had loved memes for years before that made them occasionally.
It wasn't as into it as I was, as I am now.
But, you know, started following some of the memers on Twitter, yellow, Greg,
Sean, you know, the meme factory crew.
And there was kind of some meme wars heating up on Twitter.
Because there was the meme factory.
There was the meme tards.
And so I kind of got with a few other people on Twitter
and we started up the meme pool.
And the meme pool was, you know, we were like the trailer trash
version of a meme, a meme crew.
And if any of you guys are listening, I say that with all the love I can
because it was so much fun.
And you guys were awesome and it was fun.
But, you know, never, we never kind of got the attention that like the
meme factory crew did and everything.
So, but we just had fun with it.
We just made memes and, you know, about Bitcoin, about the Fed, about the
government, about free speech, about, you know, whatever.
And just had fun with it.
And then when was it December of 2022 when the famous Jack Tweet went out
about Nostar?
I had heard about it, but just hadn't set up a key.
I had tried out the mastodon thing when everybody was doing that.
And that didn't really work out.
And at the time I just thought, well, Nostar is probably the next mastodon.
And everybody's going to try it and everybody's going to come back to Twitter.
And, but I tried it.
I thought, you know, cool.
Hey, have Jack's tweeting about it and all these other people are trying it.
Let me just check it out.
And I don't know.
It was just like, it was kind of like that moment for me.
Finding Nostar was kind of like the same feeling as when I, it's when
Bitcoin clicked for me.
And it was like, you know, when Bitcoin clicked, there was nothing stopping me at
that point.
I was going to learn everything I could about it.
I was going to, you know, start acquiring it however I could morally.
But, you know, and it was just kind of like that same feeling when Nostar clicked
for me.
And I think I had only been on it for two or three weeks there at the end of
December, the end of 2022.
And it just like was like, oh my goodness, this, like, this is how we need to
be communicating if we truly want free speech.
I can sign an event.
I can sign an event, I can sign a note with a key that I generated.
And I didn't have to ask anybody to generate it for me.
I didn't have to sign up.
I didn't have to wait for approval.
I didn't have to.
Sorry, my daughter's in the background if you hear her there.
You know, you never have to apologize for it because this is a, the language
may not be family friendly on this show, but this is a family friendly environment.
All good.
Now I've got headphones on.
So say all you want.
Um, but you know, it was, it was just like that aha moment of I can, I can publish
these notes and it, I mean, the UI wasn't great, but it, it was close enough.
Like, okay, this is usable.
I was using Domus at the time, um, primarily trying out a few others, but,
you know, just like, wow, I can publish this.
It goes to all these relays if, if all of them, but one died or were shut down,
like my notes would still be there.
I could duplicate that same note to any additional number of relays if I ever needed
to, and you know, we could post links and they would render as photos.
And you know, that's where I was like, Hey, look, I'm like, there aren't a lot
of memes on here.
Let's start posting some memes.
There was no way to upload them, you know, in Domus or the other clients I tried.
Nostra.build started up shortly after that, but there wasn't really a convenient
media host.
So, you know, we were using, um, what's the, uh, Imgur, Imgur, yeah, we were using
Imgur, the image flip, the memeing website, you know, or there were a couple
others I can't remember now.
And, um, just, and, uh, you know, just making it work.
So we'd, you know, upload our images, whatever it was, and paste them in a note
and then publish it.
And you hope that Imgur or whoever didn't take it down.
And anyway, it just, it, the, you know, obviously between then and now, like the
UI of, of these apps has just exponentially gotten better, you know,
uploading photos and videos directly in the app.
And it just keeps getting better every day.
Um, but yeah, for me, it was just like, once I started using it, I could see
that there was no way to really turn back.
You know, I, I still had Twitter, um, you know, I still have some accounts
under their social networks where I just use to keep up with people.
But I mean, honestly, Noster is like, it's where I spend pretty much all my time
socially.
I don't really use, you know, my regular social media for anything anymore.
Um, and I don't really need to other, other than, you know, keeping up with
friends here and there, but I, for my day to day social activity online, like
like Noster is where I am and it's, it's only going to continue.
So it just kind of clicked and it made sense.
And I'd, you know, I'm kind of like, when I hear about, you know, some of these
people who are still hating on Noster and refusing to use it, you know, or saying
it's never going to work.
It's not going to scale, blah, blah, blah.
Like I just don't understand.
And, and, and I think it's just that they, it has to be that they haven't used
it enough because it just makes sense.
And the scaling issues will work out.
The UI issues will work out.
The media hosting issue, like all of that's going to work out because the
problem that Noster solves is a real problem and the solution is needed.
And Noster does it very well.
Amen.
I mean, it is funny when I still see people, uh, like at Bitcoiners because
like it's the people that hate on Noster that aren't on Noster are predominantly
Bitcoiners and there's also like, obviously a lot of Bitcoiners on Noster and a
lot of other people who have been exposed to Bitcoin through Noster, which is
incredible, you know, purple pill leading to the orange pill.
It's wonderful.
But like seeing some of the people who are, you know, very, you know, well
respected Bitcoiners just kind of taking dumps on, on Noster.
It's, it's like, oh, it's, it's funny because you're primed to get it.
Like you, you should get this.
Like the developers on here are mostly Bitcoiners or have become Bitcoiners.
Like this is an open source communication protocol.
Like Bitcoin is an open source money protocol.
And you need a communication protocol to be able to take full advantage of
your money protocol.
Like, and it's, it's wild to me that there's that a lot of people still have
that blind spot for it.
But no, I, I, I remember those, those early days as well.
I was, I was happy, you know, my, my small, my small humble brag is being on maybe
a week or so before Jack was, but like Bitcoin, I saw Noster before that and
ignored it much like I did the first couple of times I heard about Bitcoin.
I remember I was just, I was on Fiat Jaff's GitHub for as one does, you know,
and I was, cause I was looking at some, some lightning work he'd done and I came
across like Noster, you know, like, okay, you know, notes and other stuff transmitted
by relays.
And I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.
Like something like for decentralized social media or whatever, like anyway,
like back to whatever I was doing, looking through Fiat Jaff's GitHub and just
ignored it.
And then it was, it was when, when Will JB 55 posted about the Dommas
test flight on Twitter and I was like, oh, shit, that's right.
I read about that on Fiat Jaff's GitHub.
Like, okay, I'll, I'll like, I'll try this out.
And I did.
And then it was like, oh, wow, like this is just neat.
And it was so clunky at first, but it was also, it was, it was so beautifully
clunky and now things are much, much more smoother and sleek.
And that is, that is wonderful, but it's nice to have that nostalgia for
those, those old times, but, but I digress.
QW, what about you? Whatever you feel comfortable sharing, but, you know,
what kind of, what, what, what, what brought you to Noster?
And yeah, how'd you get here, man?
Well, I, I was listening to, so I was never really into the Bitcoin Twitter deal.
It wasn't really my, my thing.
I, and I've said this prior, you know, I just felt like I was, it was an abyss.
There was, it was an algo driven, not a lot of communication going on.
In my world, but I was heavy in the podcast.
I would listen to podcasts, you know, I wanted to learn.
I wanted to expand my, my understanding.
And I heard about Noster through the podcast, but the one person
that, that finally drove me over the edge was David Bennett with Bitcoin and,
he was talking about the portability, the interoperability, the, the getting
your name space and the kind of the excitement that you get from the
space and the kind of the exciting part about Noster to me is that freedom aspect
of, of owning your private property or your private identity, owning your
identity, I guess you'd say, but that's what drove me over the edge.
And at that same time period, it was right before Christmas.
So I think December 19th, I joined up right after the, the great Jack
Hatchening or the Jackening or whatnot.
The, the, that's when I was waiting on having my child.
So I had my first child, only child in early January.
So, you know, I'm sure you know what it's like when, when you're on deck
and you're just hanging out, you know, you got a fishbowl next to you.
And you're just waiting.
So it gave, it was a perfect time, I believe.
And I wonder if Jack didn't get that funding right before Christmas, when
that holiday break was happening, if people could have the time to want to
learn what Noster is, because everyone showed up as a boomer.
And they're like, what the hell is this thing?
They, they, they're on some janky client that, that's slow.
And, and we were trying to upload PFPs or profiles.
And it was just, it took a lot of demand.
It was demanding.
But once you got the hang of it, you know, there was a little bit of a
learning curve, but we had the time at that period to where we're kind of all
just in the holiday season mode.
So I think that was an interesting facet of it.
The reason I was quiet warrior is because I, I, you know, I'm a Ron Paul,
I'm not Republican, but a Ron Paulite, you know, you can call it libertarian.
I just, I'm a Ron Paul independent, whatever.
But, you know, that's kind of my bloodline when it comes to my, the way I think.
And, you know, that, that drew me into, you know, not trusting the media and not
trusting these social platforms, you know, privacy is an important facet of it.
You know, I am, I'm not completely anonymous.
I've, I've done Nosterville live.
I've done Bitplot boom live with PubChain Radio.
I've, and like you were saying, these Bitcoiners that, that, that they're,
they're greased up to get it essentially.
I did a Nostra presentation for my local Bitcoin meetup or like 30 people.
And it's been two months and they're still trying to get around to using it.
And they want me to, they said, can you maybe do another one?
Because it needs a few touches.
They're just not really understanding.
They're really stuck in that Bitcoin Twitter mindset, or they're just not,
they're just not on social media in general.
So once I came to Nostra, that time period, it was a different change.
I mean, I remember AOL, I remember chronological timelines, where you have these communities,
where you have these conversations that were live.
You know, I'm born and bred kind of just a social person in real life.
So, you know, when I, when I had the community here, when we had the Bitcoin plus Nostra,
that's where PubChain came around.
Then we had the Zapatons after that.
Avi hit me up.
He wanted to do a PubChain radio.
I said, I can't do it.
And then I walked with my wife on a Friday afternoon, had a couple of drinks,
and we're just kind of walking our kid around the neighborhood.
And I said, hey, babe, I think I can do this podcast thing.
And she's like, all right, I guess.
So we started doing that.
But I'm always about moving the culture.
I'm always about, because Nostra moves quick, our, you know,
one week will be Dan's, the next week, you know, it's Skola Satoshi,
next thing, you know, Bitcoin's draining swimming pools.
I mean, whatever it is, the culture moves quick.
And I try to capture that, you know, the Nostra November movement we did last year,
where I was just trying to inspire people to set up meetups, local meetups,
even if it's two, three people.
We started our own meetup, Nostra, PHX here in Phoenix.
We did a culture shock event, which was really combining with Wavela,
who my buddy Sam Lightning Store, at his venue with, we had Open Mic,
come in with Tunster.
So we did it more of a music setup, where we had a one day event,
and then we finished it off with live music, where Sarah Jay did her thing.
You know, the other stuff challenge was just some recent one.
And then the meme wars, I mean, I think the biggest thing I try to do is make
our culture sticky.
So when you say, you know, we're not doing it, we're not doing it.
We say, you know, now is the time and we want people to come here,
because it seems like the world is trending in a place where we need Nostra.
I think it's more important that we make our culture sticky to where when they
come, they stay.
And when you can do that, then they want to learn because there is that hump
we've got to get over.
So when they see the fun going on, they see the excitement, oh, what the hell's that?
Oh, you know, my my telegram group says there's a meme war going on at Nostra.
Those are the things that bring people in and they might be a stupid thing,
but there might be something else.
Maybe it's the Zap.Cooking.
Maybe it's the long form obla highlighter.
Maybe it's Zap.Stream, whatever it is.
But I truly think our culture, the human layer is the most important part.
And that is the most that is the other stuff in a way.
That's that's deep, man.
We are the other stuff.
I like it.
No, I mean, it's left me left me speechless that I was beautiful.
But no, I think I think that you're right.
It is about because we've we've seen those of us who have been here for a while
in relative terms, right?
We've seen people come on and note like crazy for a couple of days.
And then they just kind of drop off, right?
And and you don't you don't hear from them again until the next like well known
censorship thing happens.
And then they're back on again and they're very you were a Nostra and then they kind
of fade off again.
And then again and again, it happens.
But it is about getting people to come and stay.
And I think that like it's incredible to think just because you mentioned
all these different other stuff tools, whether it be long form, whether it be
Zap.stream, which we're on right now, whatever it is, Zap.cooking, which I just
found out about, which is really neat, like what a what a what a cool idea.
And I think we're going to see so much more stuff like that, right?
That's just these random little niches, these little micro apps that just
provide a ton of value and do one thing really well.
But those are the things that get people excited because it may not be enough
for them just because they're not going to be able to do it.
Just to come and post notes and maybe post some other stuff in those notes.
They want something else.
They want something really specific.
They want a different way to connect with whatever their community is.
And, you know, it's interesting to see there's, you know, you have someone like
Amethyst, I talked to Vita on the show last week.
And it's really interesting what they're doing over there because he's very much
like knowingly building out a super app.
But with the knowledge that micro apps are going to out compete him.
Like he was very clear about this.
He's like, yeah, no, they're going to do it better than I am.
Like we're throwing a ton of shit in there that we may not need.
But like we're just trying stuff out.
And like I love that attitude where he's like, yeah, they're,
my crops are going to be better at some specific thing than we could ever possibly
be because we can't focus on all of that.
But that's what I think brings people in and keeps them in like yet memes help a lot.
But for some people, maybe they are just super jazzed up about cooking and finding
like unique recipes from other people and maybe posting their own recipes and getting zapped
for it. And so Zap.cooking is like literally the only client they use and the only way they
interact with Noster and that's all they need.
And that's beautiful.
Maybe it's people who are deciding that, ah, you know what?
Substack takes a big cut of my revenue from my subscribers.
So why don't I just start publishing my long form content on Abla or on highlighter?
And I think as we build out those individual micro app use cases and we're seeing so many
of them pop up, it, there becomes a lot more reason for people to, to have that sticky
experience than there was when it's just, you know, short form note clients.
Like I think there's just so many more reasons to come and play around.
But I think a huge part of that is just like it's awareness too, right?
Like people have to be willing to do the work to go in and find stuff out.
Like I didn't know Zap.cooking existed until like, you know, this week or something.
And I was like, wow, that's, that's really neat.
But so, and I'm on Noster every day.
So it's like, how do you break outside for people that aren't on it yet who don't even know that
maybe they, you know, the, the whole censorship resistant open source communication protocol
for publishing doesn't really appeal to them that much, but that there's all these others
things, this other stuff that really would, I don't know how you, you know, I guess it just
takes some time with this because there aren't big marketing teams with big marketing budgets to
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Yeah. And just like the meme war was just kind of a creative aspect of the human layer.
Like Monday night, a friend of mine had there, she's a local friend, Nostra PHX.
She did a very first yoga session. So for her real life work, she does yoga. And she did a
yoga session on, it was either HiveTalk or zap.stream. There's like six or seven girls in
there doing their yoga session from their living room. Tomorrow night, there's going to be a dance
battle from Arusha Tanzania. That's going to be on Tunster. I mean, these are, these are in man,
like shout out to Manlike Qwex on that one and open mic. But these are, you know, kids, these are,
these are aspiring dancers that are going to get hit with lightning zaps, you know, and don't get
started about the conversion rate of the dollar to the Tanzanian shilling. Cause, you know,
1500 sats is like a one hour of labor there. So the amount of V for V arbitrage there is amazing.
But, you know, that inspires people when they can say, Hey, you want to connect to the internet?
You want to, you want to, you want to connect to actual money, actual value, maybe the hardest money,
especially when you have an inflationary, inflationary environment like theirs. So,
you know, it's, it's really unlocking this whole new world. And we're just, all these,
all these developers are creating tools, the tools that, that can be used and, and, and,
you know, whether you're using it for, for cooking, yoga, dancing, whatever it is. But
it, the beauty of it is you have lightning, Nostra and value for value. And then the human
layer just takes over from there. Yeah, I was, that, that Forbes article is actually, you know,
I'll toss it up on the, on the screen here, because we're, we're fancy live streamers now boys.
We're doing this real. And for anyone who is listening to this later, I'm going to frog in
my throat, apparently hold on guys, but for anyone who's listening to this later, we are live streaming
this on Nostra on zap.stream. You can go to zap.stream and see people's live streams there.
You won't see ours right now because again, you're listening to this later. But if you are in the
future right now listening to the past, and you're not a Nostra, come check it out, because it enables
us to do stuff like this and people are sending us sats as this happens, which is pretty cool.
Also, I think there's a way to do splits on zap.stream. I don't know yet if I have that enabled.
So I'm going to send you guys a portion of these zaps afterwards, because it only seems in the spirit
of value for me to send it all to whoever you thought won the meme more. All right, that's
I do, I told Carl, I was like, you have to pick this like, and I'll pull up, I'll pull up her
pick for the meme more winner after this. It was somewhat, it is what I thought she would pick.
No, I meant the meme more between me and corn. We have to figure out who won.
Oh, I don't know if I want to get involved in that. But okay, I'm, you know, we'll see. We'll see.
But no, this, I wanted to touch on this Forbes article because this is like, this is really cool.
This is in Forbes, like, you know, the Forbes Forbes.com. Musicians can now earn Bitcoin
for streaming their songs. And shout out to Frank Korba for putting this out there. God,
there are so many ads on news websites. It's just insane. And Walker, just to just add context.
Corn DeLorean is also an acoustic artist. So he's got, he is a Nostra and knows the value for value
setting. So this is a good topic for him too. Yeah. So and because corn, I haven't heard your
sweet voice in too long here, but you know, I don't know, I'd love to just kind of hear what
you think about this as somebody who is a musician. Seeing this now, like again, this is in Forbes.
If you're looking at this right now, Ainsley Castello, she's, she's awesome.
You have this opportunity now. And like, I loved in this article, the breakdown of like, here's how
much money I made from traditional, traditional distribution mechanisms and traditional licensing.
And it's like, you know, not very much. And then here's how much I earned, like, you know,
here's how much I earned through Nostra directly to me with no middlemen taking a cut value for
value sats in my pocket. Like that's incredible. And this breakdown, because you brought up Tanzania
and like, you know, a thousand sats is worth 1,731. I'm guessing that's Tanzanian shekels,
if I had to guess, I'm guessing. Yeah, either shillings or shekels. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those
old colonialist monies. But, but that's incredible that like, you know, you can go to a local restaurant
in Getisota for a thousand shillings or shekels, whichever it is, a meal for 3,000 a bus ride for
600 water for 500. So when someone zaps me 10,000 sats for my song, which is currently worth 17,310
Tanzanian, Tanzanian shekels, it goes a long way. Like that is really, really cool. Because here,
if you're privileged enough to live in a Western country, you may think like a thousand sats isn't
very much. That's, you know, like what, 50 cents, 55 cents. But that goes a very long way in a lot
of places in the world. And that's really powerful. But, Korn, I love your take on this as well.
Added that, Walker. Quacks, man, like Quacks, he essentially pays his power bill through
Bitcoin's apps on Nostar. It starts at power and then it ends at power. Pretty cool, a circular
economy there. That's beautiful. Korn, you want to get on this action? Yeah, let me, let me jump in.
And just heads up a couple of people have commented that your microphone sounds quiet. So I don't
know if that's from something from your end or there in. Mine does? Yeah, there's, yeah, we got a
couple comments from, how's this now? I have headphones on so I can hear you. Yeah, you sound
good to me, but I saw it a couple times in the chat. Oh, now I'm embarrassed. You guys, I do have to
apologize. I'm not a pro live streamer here. So still figuring this out, but I just, I just pushed
my fancy fader up higher, which I think makes things louder. So we'll see if that works.
Yeah. But yeah, value for value. When I saw this post yesterday, I saw, I think Fountain shared it,
and then I saw Ainsley, I believe had shared it and a couple others with this Forbes article.
It just really, really excited me. You know, I've been a musician for most of my life,
just enjoying playing music. It's been kind of a side hustle for me for
at least the last decade or so, just off and on, you know, not like making money off of it, but
just, you know, pays a couple bills here and there kind of thing. And I have fun because I love, I
love making the music. Been involved with some friends making a couple of recordings, albums,
and I remember a producer friend of ours who has had quite a bit of involvement in the music industry.
You know, when we talked to him about streaming and albums and royalties and that kind of stuff,
he basically told us, you know, guys, you can expect to make, you know, tens of cents off of this.
He's like, you're not going to make any money streaming your music. It's just how it is,
unless you, you know, just go super big. And that's just not what we were doing. And so,
you know, with the way Nostra and Bitcoin, especially, I mean, value for value can be
done without Bitcoin. It can be done without Nostra. But these two technologies are, I mean,
in my opinion, just perfectly geared towards artists who want to connect directly with their
audiences, who want to get their art out, and who don't want to have to play the game of
catering to an algorithm, catering to a social media, arbitrary rules and changes,
you know, dancing on TikTok, you know, whatever it may be to have to get the attention,
buying fake followers, buy, you know, it's like buying fake likes. I mean, there's so many tactics
that and tricks that people have to do to just to compete on these platforms to get enough attention
to try and make something, you know, or maybe it's maybe they're working towards a,
you know, a sponsorship deal and you know, there may be different avenues, but it's like
all of that time and energy competes with focusing their attention on creating and
on writing or singing or recording, whatever it may be. And with value for value,
and especially specifically Nostra and Bitcoin, you can connect directly
with people that enjoy what you create and not everyone enjoys what everyone creates and that's
fine, but you can connect with the people that do and if they want to support you financially,
they can and there's no one in the middle to say that they can't or to require an account or to
require, you know, a certain number of followers before you can monetize, you know, and I think on,
I can't remember which platform, but you know, some platforms have minimum follower
requirements before you're even eligible to monetize and so you're an artist and you're
trying to build this momentum, but you've got to focus your attention on the wrong things
and value for value. I feel like fixes things back in your favor, back in the favor of the
artists and so for me, I just, I loved seeing this article on Forbes. I think it perfectly
highlighted the power of Bitcoin and Nostra to enable artists to do what they love to do.
Yeah, I think it's such an important point about smaller artists, right? People who are just trying
to get started because these algorithms, I mean, maybe TikToks would be the most favorable to
smaller unknown, you know, like you can go viral even if you just have a couple, you know,
handful of followers on TikTok. That's part of what they, that algorithm does, right? Which is,
you know, I think a good thing, but even so, that's you're still kind of at the mercy of this fickle
algorithm, which can be changed at any time, which if you say something that they don't like,
they can deboost you at any time. That's what happened to Carl and I on TikTok. After we had
our videos consistently go fairly viral, you know, our crypto couple videos, they just,
I think, what was it? I think we maybe mentioned COVID a couple too many times,
something, something else too that set them off a little bit. And so then it was like, nope,
all your videos get super deboosted from here. And so you're at the mercy of that.
You're also not making any money for it. And if you're an artist who's trying to, like, put your
blood, sweat and tears into making art that you want to get in front of people and hope that
when people do find value in it, they could maybe reward you for it. There's really just not a good
mechanism for that through any of these other platforms. But on Nostra, there is, there's a
very easy mechanism, which is tap zap. Like it's that easy. They're, and I think that that's such a
you're going to see so many more people, especially artists and creators in general, coming around
to that. Because I think this is like a superpower for anyone who is creating something that other
people are going to find valuable, because there is no other way for you to get direct value transfer
from people. Like, yeah, they can subscribe to your sub, sub stack. But again, like, that sub stack
isn't great for performing artists for one. And two, you're still at the mercy of somebody else's
rules. And I think that's such an important point, because then you're never going to be able to be
your fully authentic self. If you're always having to look over your shoulder wondering,
did I run a foul of, you know, daddy platform and do something wrong? And so I think that alone is
is so powerful. And I would encourage any content creators who listen to this later to go ahead and
try out Nostra, because you have also right now a very unique opportunity. The network is still
very small. But as the network grows, if you are on it early, you grow with the network. And this
is something that Jeff Booth has talked about one of the ways that he got very big on Twitter in the
early days, was he wrote an article why every CEO should be on Twitter. And people at Twitter found
out about this and they put them up on like the main Twitter page for like suggested people to
follow. And so as the network got bigger, he just naturally got bigger. And that's a similar thing
with Nostra, except you're not at the mercy of whoever, you know, decides they like you or don't
like you at Twitter. But like the natural network effect of Nostra getting bigger will,
will basically reward early adopters of that network, whose own networks will grow as the
network effects increase. And I think it's really hard to, it's hard to overstate how important
that is, especially if you are somebody who is worried about losing your voice elsewhere. And
I think a lot of people are right now. Yeah. And I want to specifically say why I think Nostra
and Bitcoin are so important in this, in this picture here, because both protocols, they're
global. They work anywhere you have an internet access, you can use Nostra and you can use Bitcoin.
Nostra for communications, Bitcoin for, for sending and receiving money. And so, you know,
to kind of put that into a context, you know, I'm, I'm here in the United States, and I can
listen to a live stream on, maybe it's on Nostra Nest, maybe it's on Zap.stream or Tunster,
or coming from anywhere in the world, wherever that stream is coming from. And I could send them,
you know, a nickel's worth of sats or, you know, a dollar's worth of sats.
You know, and that same person could also receive, you know, a tip from somebody in Japan,
they could also receive a tip from somebody in, you know, Africa or Australia, or, you know,
and we see this on Nostra, there's users literally from all over the world, every continent.
And we're all zapping the, you know, these sats back and forth frictionlessly, you know,
for the most part, you know, Lightning kind of has its little hiccups here and there, but I mean,
for the most part, frictionlessly, and commenting on, you know, live stream, the chat in the live
stream and sending notes back and forth. And we're doing all of this without having to create an
account, without having to convert currencies, you know, without having to KYC ourselves,
you know, for every little service we want to use to do this. And I just, I don't know if anything
else exists like this in the world, maybe it does, but I don't, the way I've seen Nostra work and the
way I've personally used it, it just, to me, it's revolutionary for this kind of thing. And so for
an artist or a writer or creator of any type, you suddenly have the potential to have a worldwide
audience, a connection worldwide with anybody. And if any of those people choose to support you,
they can do so instantly. And those funds are in your wallet and you can go spend them. And I mean,
it's, it really is magical and that sounds cheesy, but it truly is.
No, I, I said this earlier today, and I, on the magic part, like I agreed, Nostra is genuinely
feels like magic when I hadn't even, I hadn't played around with SAP.stream really before,
right? And I came on here and I was just looking at like latest videos that were just on the,
you know, not live streams, but recorded videos that were up there. And it's like, oh, I, all my
videos are here already because I published them through highlighter and they went to automatically
here and to flare.pub. And like, not only is the, the receiving value anywhere in the world from
anyone in the world magical, but the fact that you can publish something once and have it instantly
distributed everywhere that your potential viewers, listeners, whatever are readers,
that's incredible. Like it just from a workflow perspective alone, it's so far superior, like
forget the censorship resistance, forget the, forget the fact that you're getting the hardest
money ever discovered by man zapped to you at the speed of light, forget that you can just
publish something once and it goes everywhere that like you're just saving yourself time. Like
unless you just love wasting time, you should use Noster for that reason alone. And then yeah,
come for that, come for the, that ease of use, which has gotten so much better, wasn't always
quite so sleek, but come for that and then stay for the unfuckable money and the incredible memes
and everything else that all the other other stuff that comes with it. But like, I really think that
Noster wins like not enough people give a fuck about censorship resistance, sadly, like it's
just the truth, but they do care about not wasting a ton of time and they do care about money. And
Noster has both of those things built right in at the protocol level. And I think that's really
powerful. It's gonna, it's gonna ultimately win on user experience, like not on censorship resistance.
Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps the world clamps down even harder. I don't know,
QW discuss how I am wrong, perhaps. Well, I was just going to add the, the Ainsley article you
pulled up, I think that was denominated in Fiat. And it was interesting because one of the big,
the big polls was her, when she did that value for value live show on tune stir was the very
first tune stir event and that was last December. And I think Bitcoin was around like 40 K or
something at that time. But it, once you get into that value for value plus the Bitcoin,
and you, and you think about that hodl and, and you're making that, but we could look back at that
and say she made 50 million, you know, we're acting like, you know, it really starts to wrap
your, start wrapping your head around this value for value and Bitcoin, because we always act like
we're just going to sell it right now and pay a bill. But, you know, what if you just hold it
and non KYC, those are just, it's just interesting to look at it like that. And that's where you
can't really, you know, just like you look at Quacks and the Tanzanian shilling or Shekel,
it gets really complicated. But, you know, value for value works on so many levels.
And really, I think ultimately, until there's a lot of users, it's really just a matter of that,
that initial encouragement, trying to keep the starving artists from not being starving anymore.
And just that, think about the, when someone's trying to join a platform or they have to, you
know, they're trying to get their name out and the level of hurdles they have to go through,
just to earn a cent. That's very, very discouraging. And they're creative people. They just want to
be creative. They want to put their, put their fingers on this, on the, on the guitar and,
and crank out what they do best. But no, they put, they put their, put their fingers on their,
their phone and they get to act like they're socialites and do some hashtags and everything
like that. Maybe they don't want to do that. But these platforms are not the way the protocol.
You, you can skip all that redundancy. You just do it once. You build your name through your music
and, and it's a totally different world. I just think that can't be stressed enough that this
is just waiting for them. And you don't come thinking you're going to get rich. You're coming
because the idea is there. The tools are there. And you can be a sovereign musician, sovereign
artist, sovereign, whatever it may be, but the idea is time has come.
No, I love that. And that's, that's your question. No, no, forget it. It doesn't even matter. But
I think that, because that's such an important point, the fact that you have the ability to earn
like you're not earning fiat, right? You are earning Bitcoin. You're earning the hardest money
that we've ever discovered as, as these intelligent, you know, apes that walk on two feet and make
bombs and shit. Like you're earning something that I was just, I was rereading, you know, UK
based singer writer, Joe Martin has earned a 12,000 or excuse me, $1280 worth of sats on
Wave Lake and Fountain since releasing his first tracks on the platforms in late 2022. So it's like,
yeah, whatever that's, you know, I'm not, I'm not sure what kind of cost basis they use for
the calculation in the article, but it's a very valid point. Like if you're not immediately converting
all of this, if you don't need all of this, these sats that are coming in to pay the bills,
which you might, and that's, that's fine. Obviously that's great if you can pay your bills
because of the sats you're earning. But if you can save some of these, like,
dang, you like, if, if Ainsley is saving that as a nice little nest egg, like that's a lot of
corn, you know, that's a, that's a good amount of Bitcoin. That's a fat, you know, UTXO.
So assuming you take it all off of the lightning channel in one nice big chunk and keep it in a
self custodial wallet, like Bitbox and the Bitbox, who is one of my sponsors of the show,
I'm just kidding, but seriously, great hardware wallet. But no, I think that's really powerful.
You have the ability to not ask anyone for permission to start immediately and to earn
from having, from the exact moment of your inception, like somebody finds you, they can pay
you right there. There's no barriers to that. There's no nothing. They can just give you value
if they find what you do valuable. And it doesn't matter how much clout you have, how many followers
you have. And I think maybe that's, this, this goes back to the, the reticence of some people,
some Bitcoiners to not embrace NoSter is because you're, it's kind of like this, this step outside
of the, the matrix of centralized platforms where the clout you had back there doesn't really matter
to people on NoSter. Maybe, maybe it will eventually, right? It's still very small, but it feels like,
you know, people don't really care who you are. They care if you're putting out content, if you're
writing notes, if you're publishing other stuff that they find valuable that they want to zap.
And that, that zap is a very different currency because it literally is one than a like is,
like a like is just so meaningless. A zap, that's something that's even if it's one sat,
which is a very small zap, but that's still something like you're, you're still giving somebody
genuine real world value. And I, I just think that like, I think that's really incredible. And
again, I think that people, most people are going to get smart by force, not by choice. They're
going to get to NoSter probably because they are pushed rather than pulled. And what I mean by that
is they will be pushed by the threat of censorship or the active censorship on a centralized platform.
And they will look for alternatives and they'll realize blue sky sucks ass and mastodon kind
of doesn't really work. And they'll find their way to NoSter, which isn't perfect, but works pretty
damn well. And the pace of development is absolutely insane. But the people who decide to get smart
by choice, they will reap the greatest rewards. These artists that are starting to, you know,
use NoSter now, they are going to reap the greatest rewards and their pioneers in doing
what they're doing right now, which I think like shout out to them because that's, that's awesome.
Like it is a leap of faith, but then you realize it's like, this also just makes sense. Like it's,
it's not just some little toy. It's like, no, we're dealing with real money here.
And people are giving it to me because they find what I do valuable.
That's like, that's pretty awesome. And I hope that more artists, if you're listening to this,
or if you're a Bitcoin or who still thinks that NoSter was too hard to figure out,
come and try it out because I promise you it has improved in the last day. And certainly,
if you haven't looked at it in a year, it's improved exponentially. But yeah, we'll see.
We'll get all those holdouts eventually. They'll find it.
Yeah. Those loadouts, I like to think you just basically need a hard drive wipe and you need
to understand a new OS, but no, it's better. It's, it's, it gives you flexibility. It's
getting better. It's like a update every day type of thing. But that's all the more reason that,
you know, our going back to the meme or whatever it may be, we have a responsibility as the
community that's existing to help help them out, figure it out, you know, say hello, say good morning,
whatever it may be, create the culture that we want to see because the more that come over,
the more it dilutes our culture. So trying to, you know, really keep that the jack hug, you know,
give that, be an embracing culture that wants to, you know, explore the space, explore the protocol
and help everyone along because the more they understand about the protocol, the more they
say, aha, this is amazing. And then they become creators themselves. They, they get, they get
encouraged by the community. They start thinking outside the box because they've been in a box
so long. So those are the huge portions of, of Nostra that isn't just the Twitter replacement.
I'll just go back to Twitter. It's like, you're just going back to Twitter. You're not going
anywhere else. There's so many more places to go. So, and that was kind of that whole other stuff
challenge thing. It was just like really trying to teach myself to even go even further outside
the box and kind of explore my experiences. What other stuff are you guys most like excited for?
Do you think there's a lot of other stuff that we have not yet conceived of? Do you think, you know,
are there things that you are missing right now that you wish certain Nostra clients had that
you wish MicroApps would create? Are you pretty happy with the current suite of, of, you know,
features that are available across various clients? Where are you guys at with that? If, I mean,
if there's any like developers listening, like what's a, what's a really cool feature that you
would like or, I don't know, any thoughts on that? Go for a corn and don't say a gift keyboard.
He's going to say gift keyboard. Yeah, we do need a gift keyboard in every client. I'm going to,
I'm sticking to that. I think, well, I'm not a developer. So I'll just, you know, start with
that. I'm, I'm like, you know, I'm a tech savvy end user. And so I can break things. I can usually
figure out how to fix it for myself if there's, you know, a little bit of information out there,
but I'm not, I'm not a developer. I don't write code or anything. But, you know, I think the social,
the social media apps or clients, obviously those are, you know,
kind of what Nostra is known for. Dama, Samethyst, Primal, Nostur, many others.
You know, the Twitter clone clients. And those are really, I think, doing well
and getting better. I love the long form clients. I really do. Obla.News, you know,
use that a few times. I was looking at the, I don't know how you say it, Yaka, YakaHani, YakaHani.
Yeah, I've seen that one pop up now. It's a nice looking app. So like the, the, the blogging article,
long form content I really think is going to be something Nostur is very strong for it.
Or the, the live streaming honestly blew me away. Like I didn't, you know, when that kind of all came
about live stream video and the Nostur Nests, you know, that was just like, okay, I didn't even think
like, how is that possible on Nostur? But apparently it is. And then now like with the integrations
into the Nostur app, I saw Amethyst is integrating the Nests and live streams in.
You know, so that's like mind blowing to me. I remember last year, I don't remember who made
it, but somebody had made a, there was a way that you could broadcast like signed Bitcoin transactions
via Nostur. And so like to me, that was kind of a, as a, you know, Bitcoin or like that was a,
a really cool kind of other, other stuff use case where if I didn't have, you know, a wallet,
a Bitcoin wallet to, to broadcast my transactions, you know, or maybe somebody's in some part of the
world where like they're really worried about getting caught using Bitcoin or something, I don't
know. But being able to sign it, you know, you sign a transaction with your offline cold wallet,
and then load it into a Nostur note and boom, it's broadcast to the, to the Bitcoin network.
Like that was kind of mind blowing. I don't, I don't remember what that was called, but
I don't know the, the, the devs that work on Nostur, they keep coming up with more stuff. And
it's just like, I've seen a couple of people working on, you know, wallets, like the cashew
wallets, e-cash wallets that are essentially built into the protocol and they run on relays. And so
it's like, you know, to me, that's that kind of stuff is really mind-blowing. I don't know. I don't
even know how to imagine what, what other stuff might be needed. QW, what do you got? The most
immediate need, corn is we need to get some sort of a news aggregator to, to feed the Nostur report.
So, so you, you and Lau and Doc and Marseille and, and everyone involved with the Nostur report,
the OG has a way to bring it back because I think Nostur is definitely needs the Nostur
report in their life because there's a lot to follow. So yeah, maybe you can talk about
maybe if that could possibly come back in the future, but secondly, the most immediate need.
And we've seen this with the, the, what's been going on in France and taking down the, or arresting
the, the Telegram founder, TG Telegram, OX chats, one that's, that's getting there. But Jeff G is,
is creating a white noise, I believe it's called. It's another telegram. So we're going to have
competing Telegram style apps, which is going to be awesome to have. And you know, you know what I
love about all these apps, by the way, if I go to the app store on the Apple app store, and I scroll
down to data collected or data, data, data, data, it says data is not collected. They collect nothing.
And it's just like a breath of fresh air because if it ever said something, I can just go to the next
app. So you have that, you're not, you're not stuck in that walled garden where eventually
they're going to change their privacy policy. And you just, you know, in terms of use and you just
click accept, you don't, you're not going to read all that crap, but you know, you don't find out
later. So that data not collected is a huge thing. But yeah, that's the biggest one for me,
the telegram. What I love to see, and I think fountain was probably one of the first ones to do it,
was, was go back and make it a Nostra client. So they already had their, there, and anybody that
has been a fountain user, I think it's been around for three years or so. I remember early days,
it would overheat my phone and, you know, they had a lot of issues, but they, they, they built
all this out and the Nostra came out and they're like, uh-oh, we need to make podcasting social.
And Oscar did an amazing job on that. But you know, being able to turn an existing app into a
Nostra client is amazing to me. And, and fountain just got 10 times better, 100 times better,
BTC maps. I know, I know they're looking to do that. They're looking to maybe make it a Nostra
client. And it's kind of funny because a lot of these Bitcoin related applications, they're almost
strong armed and to be a Nostra clients at this point. If you're not going to be a Nostra client,
you're not going to get everyone going there. You don't see the future properly.
So that's, that's another thing. So that would be anything existing that has to do with lightning,
you know, in Bitcoin, value for value, make it a Nostra client. I think Zebedee tried to do a Nostra
client, but they did it a little oddball. I'm not sure what happened, but they ended up pulling that.
It might have just been because they had to censor things because it's kind of a children's app.
In a way, teenagers, children, maybe some adults, I know, Walker, you're, you're big in there. But,
you know, but no, that's, that's essentially it. So, and the other thing I wanted to see was seeing
those micro apps cross pollinate. So when you talked about Nostra and what Fabian did, making,
you know, Nostra Nests in there, Zap.stream in there, just like we were, we're so accustomed to
and with Twitter spaces up on the top. If you're following someone and you're in that, in that
live stream, it's going to pop up on the top. You know, that was a huge thing, meshing these
clients together to make super apps. Because we have the, we have the currency, we're just looking
to throw some zaps around, but we just need to know something's going on to do it, you know.
I think the point you mentioned about fountain is, is so important. And it's such a fascinating
like case study in this. Because again, this was, as you said, this was an application that was
trying to build out their own in app closed social experience around podcasting and incorporating
Bitcoin and basically zaps. Awesome idea, right? Nostra comes along and it's like, hold on, we don't
need to build our own walled garden. We can just drink from the flood from the river of Nostra
and make this experience so much better without us needing to keep people within without needing
to worry about people being like, are we going to, you know, have good user retention? Like
because they have to use our own little social graph within this silo. It's like, no, open it up to
everything. And now fountain becomes not just another social application, but they're an aggregator.
Like they're pulling any sort of audio feed, any sort of podcast feed, they're pulling it into that
fountain feed. Like that becomes a great place. Like you want to go and figure out what all of your
friends on Nostra, what podcasts they're listening to, just scroll down that home feed and fountain.
It's like, it's really brilliant that they did this and it's made the user experience so much
better. And again, instead of creating a walled garden, they created just an open field and
they're benefiting then from the network effects of Nostra. And I think like, like Bravo to those
guys for doing that because it's, it's great. The, and the app in general is just performs so much
better now. I agree. And like it's the, I literally don't use any other podcasting app now. Like,
and I haven't for some time because it's like, well, well, why, why would I like Apple podcast
kind of sucks ass never really used Spotify. So it's like, well, fountain, like that's what I
want to use. And now it's got Nostra built in. I've got my, you know, TIT coin account loaded in
there. And so it's great. I just, I love the experience really, really psyched that those
guys decided to do that. Well, and it's a natural fit, right? So RSS is just, is essentially like a
Nostra. It's just throwing JSON files out or whatnot. It's, you're just, it's already a decentralized
entity for, for your, your, your audio feed. I mean, mine goes to, I'm sure yours does too.
Apple, Spotify, you know, iHeartRadio, whatever it may be, it just blasts out there. And all I do is
click one button. So it makes sense that it would go the other way with Nostra too. And I love the
fact that Oscar saw that and, and, and achieved it. Yeah, no, it is a, it is a very perfect fit.
Like you're just, it's a, I mean, has, just speaking of podcasting, has, has the old Pod
Father, Adam Curry, has he, I know he has a Nostra account. Has he been active recently?
Cause this, this still feels like a good action. I haven't seen him, but I did, I did watch a
podcasting 2.0 or something that DJ Valerie Love did. She did a little, basically, and I, I would
check it out. It's on fountain podcasting 2.0, but they did a whole show with Oscar, Adam,
the dude from RSS blue. He's got an interesting name. I forget his name. And there was a couple
others on there, but I recommend listening to that because Adam, Adam's been a big advocate in the
game, obviously. And his number one rule of value for value is never build on a platform.
So you never build in the walled garden cause that there's no future there in the long run.
So, and, and we see that, we see that and Nostra's the perfect fit, but I don't know. I think he's
coming around to it from, from the buzz I've heard. I mean, he was, he was really so ahead of the game
in terms of understanding that, that common pioneering, basically that concept and podcasts
generally, like again, it's like a, I believe he has an end pub if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'm
wrong. I could be a man. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. Okay. So he does, but I'm checking it now.
All right. All right. We'll get the facts. Oh wait, you know what? This is a complete sidebar,
but I, I don't want to miss this, which is the announcement of the meme contest winner, which
it, it would be, it would be, I would be remiss if we did not go through this. So this is a, a
JD fans, Tim Waltz meme, Corn, you reposted it, said you would throw 20 K sats. I'll throw some
sats their way too, for whoever comes up with the best meme as judged by my lovely wife, Carla.
And she has a very particular sense of humor. Let me just say that. And I will show you the
meme that she selected as her absolute favorite. And yeah, it's, it was me. I'm, I got, I'm getting
my 20 K sats ready to ready to rock. If you let me know who, all right. And that winner is drumroll,
please little spoon. And for anyone who's like, okay, I mean, I'm laughing. I'm laughing again.
And I'm looking at this one. Okay. For anyone that's just listening to this later.
It's, it's Tim, Tim Waltz. I'm going to just verbally describe a meme now, which never goes well.
You're doing an Abbey. Let's see. Okay. So we've got Tim Waltz on the left for JD Vance on the
right from the debate last night. What I appreciate is that they actually flip flopped them. I think
in the original post that I had JD Vance was on the left. Tim Waltz was in the right. So they took
some creative liberty. That's classic, you know, that's meme craft right there. And on Tim Waltz,
it says, I'm telling you, someone farted. And then it's just JD Vance given one of those eyebrow
looks like, hmm. And it's just, it's just fucking funny. Like me explaining it will not explain
why it's funny. But for anyone watching on zap.stream, you know why this is funny. And you're
probably laughing to yourself right now uproariously. And yes, my lovely and beautiful wife, Carla loves
a good fart joke. So yeah, winter, winter chicken dinner, little spoon way to go.
Is little spoon out there right now? That would be something I hope you're listening right now,
little spoon. But yeah, great. Really just solid meme. Great template too, I've got to say.
All right, I'm going to pull that one out officially done. So I went to that actual
meme on the feed in the note replies and 20 K sat sent a little spoon.
Man, isn't that amazing? Like this, this idea of, of zaps and plus noster, like it's a payment
discovery tool for Bitcoin. This is how Lynn Alden has talked about it. And I think that's
such a useful way to do it. Like it basically gives Venmo like capabilities to Bitcoin, noster does,
which I think is such a powerful thing. Like you again, an open communication for protocol is a
necessary coordination layer on top of Bitcoin to be able to make sure that you can cryptographically
verify that who you are communicating with and wanting to send Bitcoin to is the person that
you want to send the Bitcoin to. So whether that's zapping them directly, whether that's using
private messages to send an on chain address, you know that that end pub is related to that person.
And that's a really powerful thing because otherwise it's like, if you're using a centralized
communication channel to communicate about the potential future exchange of value,
you still have a huge security hole in that somebody else has control of your communication
channel and can surveil that communication channel. But it's like noster removes that. And I think
that's again, most people don't give a fuck about that. But for those of us that do, like that's
pretty neat. Well, for those that don't care, you know, someone just got hit with the 20,000
sats for a meme. So there you go. You if you are listening right now, you are not on noster,
just think you could have made a JD Vance Tim Waltz meme and also received 20,000 sats for
your meme craft. But you're not on noster. So you didn't. But it's not too late to start.
But guys, I want to be conscious because I know we've got some we've got some stops here.
Do you know, I think you got to you got to you got to run. Yeah.
I got a little time. I got a little time. Little man now won't have to be picked up for a while.
What I am. How about you corn?
No, I'm okay for now.
Oh, yeah. We're we're we're chilling then. I just just wanted to make sure I got to be
I would like to know. I would like to know though what corn's meme stack is. So what what does he
use? Because for me, I just use that Mimatic that app that I pay $299. It's just a silly app. But
I never got into like go further. So I'm curious what, you know, if someone's a potential meme or
out there and wants to get started with some tools, corn, what you got any secret sauce?
Well, so I actually do probably 98 to 99% of everything just on my phone.
And my favorite app that I've been using, it's called in shot. So I'm on iOS. I believe it's on
Android as well. But I haven't tried it on Android. So I don't know if all the features, you know, are
on par on both platforms, but in shot in shot. And it does photo editing and video editing. And
it's, I don't know, it I find it pretty incredible. I mean, you can do picture and picture
on photos and videos, you can do green screen, you can do you can add stickers, you know, you can
crop stuff out. It's it's, it's pretty useful. The only only downside is you're doing it on your phone.
So, you know, if it's like really like you can't get very intricate.
And so I do have actually, I think my Photoshop subscription expired, I had Photoshop.
There's a web based photo editing app called Pixlr PIXLR. And they've recently changed you have to, so I think you can, you can use it for free, and you can export up to three images per day, unless you create an account. And so if you create an account, then, you know, you can export more. But Pixlr,
and it's kind of, it's basically just like a web based Photoshop, and they've got like the simple version, the more advanced version. And then recently they've introduced some AI features. But I haven't really tried those too much. But that's really those two apps in shot, Pixlr. And then there's another iPhone app, what I'm trying to remember what it's called here.
And then there's another, image play, but it's IMGPLAY image play. And so it's that's what I used to create gifts. So you can load a video or photos or another gift into image play. And then you can crop it, add to it, add stickers, add text, whatever, and then export it as a gift.
And it's kind of cool because it lets you, you can set like the file size you want to export to, so it'll compress it down for you.
Because I know some of the, I think Nostra build, Nostra build. I think Nostra build has a file size limit per upload. And then, like some of the clients, especially with gifts, they won't animate if they're too big.
If the file size is too big. So it might be like 10 megabytes or five, I don't remember, but you got to compress those way down. Not only does it work better, but it saves people data when they're scrolling their feed.
But yeah, I feel like such a noob because I literally will use like IMG flip, image flip.com and then like Canva if I want to make something slightly more intricate. But now I've got all these new tools. This is great.
I'm learning from the master here.
Image flip, I use that a lot to find blank templates. Yeah. Yeah. And then if I can't find it, I'll either, you know, search the web for something, or if I have to resort to making my own, I'll make my own.
And occasionally, if I really love a template, I actually like I'll upload it to image flip. I have a profile on there. Same username. And so there's a few, there's a handful. I haven't uploaded a ton. I should upload more on there.
But if I make a new template that I haven't found somewhere else, then I'll, if I really like it, I'll try to remember to upload it there. But noster client micro app idea. Basically just recreate image flip. But whenever you publish a template, if somebody wants to use your template, they can zap you for it.
Oh, it'd be a genius. I mean, I think there's an app called is it memester, memester app. It's not, I haven't played around with it too much, but it wasn't really an image flip clone. But man, I think that would be fantastic if somebody built something like that.
Because yeah, like you've got, you know, a lot of good memers on Nostra. I mean, there's really just a lot of great memers.
And I find that trying to get original templates is probably one of the most time consuming parts where you just end up creating your own. And they're like split frame kind of a cause and effect type of thing.
But yeah, I would definitely pay some sats for just templates that aren't just the popular ones that you see over and over and over, which are popular for a reason. But it's nice to have authenticity or some sort of a just just something different.
And, you know, when you have something like that, it's it drives a different culture to you just have more depth to it.
No, so if any, any eager devs are listening who know how to build this out because I certainly don't. Yeah, I think there's certainly a market for this. And you know, take a couple sats off the top to
Not a lot of storage, right? Not a lot of storage for templates.
No, no. I mean, and yeah, and you're right about like there are obviously like more like an unfathomably large number of incredible meme templates out there. And that's great.
But it is nice, like, sometimes you need the nuance that a standard template can't provide you like you need to create your own.
And like, I feel like that's when you kind of graduate from, you know, being a meme apprentice to like a meme master. It's like, and now this there's no template that can fit what I'm trying to say right now, like I need to make my own.
And it's, I think, corn, you both you guys, you make a lot of your own templates, sometimes involving each other, which is very meta of you, but I dig it, you know, it's, it works.
I think the the meme feud that you guys have going, I hope it never ends because it's certainly good for entertainment.
I am curious guys. So, okay, we've, we've covered a lot of a lot of meme topics today, we've covered value for value. I want to thank you guys also just for for hopping on here and thank you to everybody who has joined in on this zap dot stream for my inaugural cherry
popping of live streaming. This is this has been a treat. And I think again, it's, okay, we've got 11,053 sets that have come in so far. So thank you to everyone who has zapped us.
And again, this is this is pretty cool and illustrative of the fact that I am not a experienced live streamer.
There are live streamers who make literally there all of their money from live streaming and probably feel pretty comfortable on the platforms that they are on the walled gardens that they are in.
But I'm curious for you guys, not just for streamers, but for content creators for musicians for, for people, maybe who say I'm none of the above. I'm just, you know, I'm just a I'm just a user or I'm just a, you know, an average Joe.
What's like, what is your elevator pitch for no stir, how do you how do you synthesize because there's so much like there is so much happening on no stir constantly. It is hard to keep up with. How do you how do you synthesize that for people where it's like, you know,
it's an elevator, but you hop in the elevator with them. You've got some time to give them the pitch on no stir. What's what's what's your go to purple pill, I guess.
Go ahead, corn.
I'm trying to think that must be a long elevator.
Okay, so here's the thing. It's time for what's your elevator Bitcoin. What's your what is your elevator Bitcoin pitch Walker.
I'm tired of getting fucked by the state which devalues the value of the money in your pocket at a whim to pay for wars. You never agreed to. Wouldn't it be nice if you had a money that couldn't be fucked by anyone and that you could control and use as you wish.
It exists and it's called Bitcoin. How'd I do.
Yeah, so that that's kind of how I do. As far as approaching the problems that people can relate to, you know, censorship resistant. I think everyone can relate to that within the COVID times.
The interoperability. I think everybody, depending upon their time bracket, you know, maybe they were on AOL, then they went over to Facebook, then they went to Instagram, then they went to LinkedIn, they went to, you know, snapchat, then they went to, you know,
the list goes on and on and on. But what if you just do that once.
Think about the time you save. I think the time theft is a big topic that everybody can understand these days. And Bitcoin touches on that. And I think Doster touches on that too.
Because, you know, you have a child, I have a child. We're looking for time everywhere we can.
Once you once you're chasing them around, you cannot stop looking at them. You know, I time is precious. I'd want to spend it with them. I want to spend it with my family.
The interoperability portion to me is a bigger selling point in the censorship resistant, even though people can relate to it on a on a on a higher time preference because of COVID.
That walled garden approach, the data collection people, every day people are getting privacy. They're getting your data got leaked here, you got your data got leaked there and I get it in the mail all the time.
It's like, crazy, it's just like this healthcare place, this place, this place. So why did they even have all my data? You know, why is my social security number everywhere?
Why did they ever need that? You know, so if you can kind of encapsulate that into an elevator, I think that's the big one is is the data collection, the time and then the censorship resistant.
Otherwise, you know, it's it's it's an it's an inspiring frontier of freedom that things are getting built on, and you can send some money anywhere around the world, borderless.
I like it.
Corn make that an elevator pitch. Make it a meme and be down with it. Yeah, there you go. You don't even need you don't even need to verbalize this just just mean it.
I'll work on a meme or two. Yeah. No, I was actually looking listening to you for some inspiration because I, you know, honestly, it's I find it a bit hard to to pitch.
You know, stuff like Nostra and even Bitcoin still to to people that I know, just here personally locally, you know, I've got a few friends that I've talked to about Bitcoin, a few that have you have gotten into it and bought and family couple family members and stuff.
But, like, honestly, no one in my real life, like circles have just gone like deep down the rabbit hole. You know, the way I have the way you know other people I've met on on Twitter and now on master have and you know and now with Nostra, you know, I've talked to
a few friends about it. And it just, I don't know, I honestly, I haven't quite found the right the right way to make it click, you know, it's, it's like, oh, okay, cool. It's another social media app, you know, especially for, you know, anybody who has grown up with the internet grown up with, you
know, all the various social platforms like most of us have, you know, you see, you see new new social apps come and go. And it's kind of like, well, you know, I already talked to everybody on Facebook or already talked to them on, you know, Instagram or Snapchat or
whatever the generation you fall in, like the different platforms that you use. So, so I don't know, I haven't quite found the right pitch in real life to make it click for somebody. So I'm kind of still working on I think for me, the value for value, when it comes to artists is where it has the most
for me personally, and the circles of friends that I spend most of my time with. You know, so I kind of think that's where I'm going to have hopefully better success but it nothing's quite clicked right for me.
I mean, I feel you on that and I think that a lot of a lot of Bitcoiners in general have that have had that experience of, even if like you've tried and probably tried multiple times to like evangelize your your friends your family and maybe some of them have decided to
actually listen and to take steps into, you know, let's talk Bitcoin specifically to start saving in Bitcoin and they've started to get it right. But the majority don't. And you start to wonder it's like man, if I can't even convince the people that I love the most and that love me the most about this
thing that I'm clearly so passionate about and that I'm only trying to convince them about because I want them to you to reap the benefits of it. Well then how the fuck am I going to convince anyone else.
And I think, again, so much of it comes down to the fact that in order for somebody to be ready to receive that message, whether it be Bitcoin or no stir.
Most of the time they need to have gone through enough personal pain. They need to have, they need to understand the problem personally not theoretically, but have actually had that problem come to their own doorstep and fuck around with them.
And until they have, they'll be like, yeah, that's that's nice. That's neat that you're into this little hobby thing, whatever nerd shit you're into. But like, okay, you know, anyway, you catch the game last night. Like, they just won't actually
catch those a good one, which sports.
I'm kidding.
I caught the debate last night, which is basically another form of bread and circuses but hey, at least it was entertaining. But no, I think they have to be ready to touch a user.
They're ready to touch a use case of it, right. And there's plenty of use cases to go around, but they have to be ready. I think that's where they understand the importance of it.
Once the use case can actually solve a problem they're having, then they want to learn a little bit more.
Another thing about Nostar is, once you get your zap wallet, you kind of forced to be a Bitcoin holler a little bit or hodler.
You know, you find it once they actually have tangible Bitcoin, they start to get more interested in it. Well, what the hell do I what is this anyways type of thing?
It's interesting how human nature is when when they actually have something. And then all of a sudden they see the chart on, you know, Fox business.
There's like Bitcoins up today, like, oh, I have a little bit of that, you know, and it might be 1000 sats, but it's something where they're they're all of a sudden learning about it too.
Yeah, I want to just this comment here from lightning lightning goats evangelizing is feudal we should be happy that we have the tools to discover one another without the normie normie noise cherish Nostar being small and high signal.
I love the the feeling on Nostar and it being small.
You know, and that that comment about evangelizing is feudal I honestly kind of feel that because it's like, I almost feel like the best quote unquote evangelism we can do is just incorporating Nostar and Bitcoin into everything we're doing.
And so, you know, whether if you're running a business, like, make Nostar and Bitcoin a part of it, you know, if if I'm, you know, like here at home, I have kids, you know, I pay my son sometimes and, you know, when he does little chores and stuff, he has a wallet, and I pay him and sets and,
you know, little things like that, you know, I asked I always ask a friend or family like if if we're doing something, hey, what do you think about pay in Bitcoin? And sometimes they want it sometimes, you know, most times they don't.
But, but, you know, just kind of the little the little things where they start seeing that, like, you're, you're still just the same person they know, but you're using these technologies.
As if they're normal. And so wait, oh, that's kind of cool. You know, maybe, maybe it'll catch somebody's attention. I don't know. I just kind of think, you know, hey, yeah, anyway, go ahead.
No, no, I think I think you're spot on enlightening goats. I think that that that comment resonates very much because I think, especially earlier on, at least this is just speaking for me personally, but earlier on in my Bitcoin journey, when I first started going on the rabbit hole,
I was like, fuck it, I need to tell every like, holy shit, how do people not see this? Like, this is insane. It took me so long to figure this out. And now I just I want to help other people to not take as long as I did.
I want to help the people I care about not take as long as I did to figure this out. But then you realize it's like, they're, they're just not ready. And according to your point, it's like, what's the best thing I can do?
Well, I can just, I mean, lead by example, I guess would be the phrase, right? Like, I can just show that this is just how I live my life. This is just normal for me. And I thought of it because this is a meme or conversation.
It made me think of this meme where it's like, you know, the fuck they doing over there. Like, for anyone for anyone listening who needs me to verbally describe this meme, it's a cat standing in the snow looking over a snow bank and it says, the fuck they doing over there.
And this is kind of like, I think what ends up bringing a lot of people over to Bitcoin or over to Noster is like, you're just living up like with Bitcoin, like you're just able to live a better life with Noster.
You're just able to have a better social media experience. You're just able to do what you want with either of these open source protocols.
And the best way to bring people over is not to try and shove it down their throats, but just to have a great fucking time, live your life.
And eventually they're going to be like, you know, you see, because I'm still on, I'm still a cuckold who's over there on on X formerly known as Twitter.
And so many times it's like, you see people be like, oh, Bitcoin Twitter is, you know, so dead. And it's like, well, it's because a lot of the Bitcoiners are over there.
They're over the snowbank, you know, the, then the Bitcoiners still on X are like, they're, they're the cats looking over, just wondering like, what the fuck are they doing over there?
Why is everybody having so much fun over there? What, what's happening? Why, what's going on?
And I think that that's a great tool for evangelism is just, just have a good time, live a better life.
And people are naturally going to wonder, well, how'd you do that? What's your secret?
And in this case, Bitcoin for a better life and noster for a lot more fun and higher signal.
Well, and I'll just, you know, point back to the Forbes article you put up earlier, you know, as a perfect example of that.
I mean, you know, somebody coming across that article who might be a musician can very much relate with what Ainsley shared that in, you know, what was it, five years of streaming on various platforms.
She had made a few hundred, a few hundred dollars in streaming revenue versus in one year on Noster with Bitcoin.
You always meet the kid, man. Come on, we want to hear it.
You're okay, man. I don't, we want the full box.
Yeah.
What's his name?
When, you know, in one year, she's earned over $13,000 worth of Bitcoin. I mean, that's like, you can't argue with that.
That's, you know, and for somebody to pull up her music and listen to her music, you know, she's a very relatable person.
You know, and she's just, she's a musician trying to make it work, trying to make her craft work. And so I just think that people seeing that kind of thing, it suddenly puts Noster and Bitcoin into a real world context that they can understand.
Oh, this is actually accomplishing something amazing in this person's life.
You know, it's like when the internet came out, you know, you, like I grew up in the age of the internet's emergence and, you know, I remember getting my first email address and, you know, hotmail address and I, I set it up after my friend showed it to me and I was like,
okay, now what do I do with it? He's like, well, people can send you messages. I'm like, yeah, but who like, I don't know anybody else with an email address. Well, you know me.
And I'm like, okay, but like, we know each other. We hang out all the time, you know, so, but like now the world, you know, the business world and so much more like email is just, it's, it's essential.
The internet is essential. So I just think like people seeing stuff like that article, that example with Ainsley, seeing examples that we can give them in our own lives, put it into a context that they can then see it's not theoretical.
We're not just saying this could work because here's the white paper. We're saying this is working for me and this is how it's working for me.
And one of our biggest problems is we don't have as many of them being from the US, you know, we, a lot of our problems are solved in this dollar hegemony and the, the, the modern internet and our quote unquote free speech and everything we, we certainly have a lot of our problems
solved where we'll see in my opinion, the most expansion in places that don't have problems solved and continue to get abused. And these tools are really for them first, in my opinion, but you know, we're just in the playground and in, in, in, in, I guess it'd be a little bit of a digital playground,
what we're blessed with, you know, so when we're at family dinner, or at the community center, preaching the, the good book of orange and purple, it's not, it's just not received like it would be where there'd be a lot more issues going on.
I struggle with that a lot because I always internalize that I'm, wait a second, this is where I live. What about other places? You know, and that's where I think the opportunity is and that's where the most beautiful thing when it does solve those those issues.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's, it's, we always have that mindset that, you know, well, it's, it's, it's, I'm in the US, so I don't know.
And no, I think it's, it's, you know, like Gladstein points out, check your financial privilege. Like, it, it really is a very real thing and we are like, yeah, the US is
plenty fucked up and has plenty of problems and is by no means perfect, nowhere is, but we enjoy far more freedoms and a far higher standard of living than the vast majority of the world. And that's the reality. And that's why I think it's so hard for, you know, Americans,
especially to be like, to get people to understand Bitcoin or to get people to understand Nostra, because most Americans haven't dealt with being debanked or having their currency hyperinflate or being deplatformed because they're just posting dog memes on Facebook.
And that's perfectly fine with Mark Zuckerberg and his CIA handlers. And so they haven't had to deal with those things that people in other countries do on a daily basis.
And again, that's what I said earlier. And this is something my father-in-law who escaped communism told me is you get smart by force, not by choice. Like a few people get smart by choice.
And those people like, like the people that found Bitcoin very early on. And when, and maybe they didn't have like a personal impetus, they didn't have something that bad that had happened to them, they weren't shut off from a bank account.
They, you know, they hadn't experienced, you know, COVID yet at this point and seeing these, you know, this massive money printing like the people that got it without a huge externality forcing them to get smart.
I have so much respect for those people because they are in the tiny, tiny, tiny minority. Most of us, myself included, got smart by force because we had something that was pushing us to get smart.
And that's just the reality. And that's okay. Right. And I think like, and again, like I said this earlier, you want people, you want the people that you love to understand these things, you want them to understand Bitcoin, you want them to understand Noster.
But just you wanting that isn't going to make it happen. Again, so to what we were all saying, like maybe the best thing we can do is just live our lives, use these be grateful of the incredible communities like the fact that I get to chat with you guys, like this is awesome.
This is possible because we're all on this decentralized open source protocol for communication that we stumbled upon because some guys posted on a centralized platform.
And now we're all here and we're chatting about it and people are sending sats in real time to us. Like, that's beautiful. And that that that is enough for now.
We don't need to save everybody and we can't save everybody until they're willing to save themselves. And I think that's like, it's a tough thing. It's a tough thing to come with. And I think lightning goats. I'm glad you brought this up.
Also, lightning goats is coming on TIT coin podcast in a couple weeks and I'm super stoked for it. I just want to throw that out there. And if you're not familiar with lightning goats, I want to give another shout out, because you can literally zap lightning goats.
And it will feed literal real world goats, which I think is just the coolest fucking thing ever. They look like elephants at this point. I think they need so much.
I just think that's awesome. Like, what an incredible thing to do. It's like, it's like homesteading cypherpunk to the extreme. Like, I absolutely love it. But yeah, I digress. I digress.
You guys like it? I think there was during the stock market boom and well, when everyone was a day trader during COVID, I think there was a gerbil that would go to different areas and it would buy and sell.
It would, you know, it would trigger a buy and sell and they had like a portfolio and he was actually beating the market just by his human nature. But it was live streaming all the time and it would just move around and I think it was a gerbil hamster maybe.
Anyways, but one thing I stopped talking about, you know, orange pill, purple pill. What I do is my buddy Sam at Lightning Store. I wear his shirts almost every day, whether it's a Wave Lake shirt,
a plug chain radio shirt, Bitcoin, a lot of sly roundabout way shirts of not just throwing it at you buy Bitcoin, but you know, eventually they're going to say, what's that shirt? What's that shirt? Or at least subliminally, you know, at least I can say I always told you so, you know, I kept, I don't need to be a broken, you know, a broken record,
but I can at least symbolize it all the time. So that's, that's my strategy as of right now.
Yeah, it's a good way to do it, you know, just a and the lighting store has really dope shirts. So like that, that helps. I make my own shirts because I like to wear shirts nobody else has. And I find that incorporating, incorporating
Bitcoin imagery into said shirts is a good way of getting people to pay attention to them and ask what that is. That's the whole reason.Titcoin.org exists. And this podcast is Tickling Broadcast. They ask and then they're stuck because it's like, oh, shit, I should never have asked this.
And you come for the tits, but you stay for the bits. I always say, you look like the meme with the guy pointing at the scribbles behind them, you know,
man, well, guys, okay, I've just realized I didn't even notice because time flies, but we're running up on two hours here. I think we, we, I think, I think we've done the thing. Thank you guys for being part of this, this first ever
Tickling podcast, the Bitcoin podcast and their fucking Bitcoin podcast live stream. This was a blast having you guys here. We'll have to do this again. Maybe we'll bring Derek Ross along. This was the Alpha stream. You can do the beta stream of Derek.
I'm going to tell Derek that his stream is the beta stream. But no, let him know. I told it. I'll, for anyone listening after the fact, I will drop your end pubs and your, and your, your nip o fives in the, in the comments or in the show notes.
Geez, I'm such a bad podcaster. But thank you guys. I appreciate you sharing your time with me. This was a blast.
Thanks a lot, man. It's been a lot of fun chatting with you guys. And yeah, if you're not on Nostra already, come on Nostra, join post some memes and or just say hello, but it's a great place to be.
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