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How money is supposed to work is that like the person who has the fucking most money is the person who's most valuable to society.

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And when the government is printing money and the money is broken, what happens is the people who are the least valuable and the most skilled at trickery and deception and fraud basically end up rising to the top.

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I want all the productive people to get Bitcoin, understand Bitcoin and save in Bitcoin.

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The heart of civilization, like the core Iron Man heart of civilization is the entrepreneur.

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If the entrepreneur is unhealthy, then everything else collapses.

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Everything fails.

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And if the entrepreneur is healthy and supported and has an environment that they can create and build and contribute in,

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then that's what grows out into civilization.

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Bitcoin is that ship, that ultimate tool for the entrepreneur.

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to put them in a position where they can conduct business

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without all of the fucking weight and all of the crap

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that comes from the fiat system

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and also the heavily over-regulated crazy government system.

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And it just frees everything up.

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Capitalism is so fucking powerful

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that we haven't had anything close to real capitalism

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since the creation of the Fed, right?

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And look at what we've accomplished in spite of that.

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It's very hopeful because imagine the world when we just fucking, even if like just only 10% of the sludge was removed.

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Imagine the efficiency.

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Like it used to be year over year over year, even in spite of all the crazy shit, it was like better and better and better.

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Things got better.

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And then we just kind of hit this point where now like things are getting worse year over year over year.

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And I just can't wait to fucking return.

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I don't think like the system is going to change at all.

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because obviously everybody in it is incentivized for it not to change.

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I think that entrepreneurs who onboard and use Bitcoin,

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we're just going to build our own system.

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And people will transact in Bitcoin world or they'll transact in fiat world.

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And just obviously the world without all of the fucking garbage is going to do way better.

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I think Bitcoin is so significant that we won't even mark the creation of money as an important time in human history.

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I think that Bitcoin will be the marker of the creation of money.

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I think we've all won the fucking lottery to be born at this time where the work we do now is going to echo for 10,000 years in the Bitcoin space.

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There's just nothing that will have such an insanely crazy impact on civilization.

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Madex, welcome.

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Fuck me.

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It's a shame this is not in person, but this will have to do for now.

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It's good to see you, man.

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Good to see you as well.

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Yeah, looking forward to an in-person one at some point.

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I've been doing these sober, so it's been a whole learning curve.

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So are you, if you don't mind me asking, are you sober sober? Like, I thought you did drink, right?

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Yeah, until this year.

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Damn, and you went just fully. So you don't mind if I'm enjoying a couple of Miller lattes?

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No, of course not.

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Yeah.

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Tell me about that. Was it just like you wanted to make a change, like wanted some clarity?

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Like what led you to it?

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uh well there was a particular event which i would discuss privately with you

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but um fair enough it had kind of been like a long time goal just something you kind of say like oh

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you know gotta quit drinking or whatever but or slow down or whatever i i was never like two i

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had some crazy years but um yeah the funniest thing man about about uh quitting drinking is that

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like you know you're you you go out with your buddies and you get kind of fucked up and like

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you're having a good time having some drinks you're a little bit wasted and you know inevitably

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some point in the night you you say a bunch of fucking really stupid shit and then like the next

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morning you're all hung over and you're like oh fuck like thinking about the fucking stupid shit

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you said and then you could just pass it off and be like oh yeah it's just I was really fucked up

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like I was drunk so now I've been sober for seven months now and what I learned is that like I go out

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with my friends who are drinking and we all hang out and inevitably in the night I just say a bunch

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of really fucking stupid shit and then i wake up the next morning not hung over and uh i guess

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you know there's nobody to blame anymore i can't blame that can't just be like oh i was fucked up

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that's why i said all that embarrassing shit so it turns out you just you know you just say a lot

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of fucking stupid shit sometimes i think we all have that yeah i mean but you know maybe uh

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the stupidity is in the, uh, the eye of the beholder, right? Like we're always our own

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harshest critics. I feel like there's just something about the, the nighttime in general,

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like whether you're, whether you're drunk or sober or whatever else, something in between,

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it's like the nighttime casts a strange spell, I believe. Yeah, it does.

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Well, congrats on, uh, on, on seven months. I mean, that's, uh, you know, it's one of those

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things like, yeah, I should, I should probably, I should probably stop drinking. Um, but then

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I just love these ice cold Miller lights so much.

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Yeah, man.

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I'll tell you, like, I'm not happy about this.

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Like, I'm not thrilled about this.

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I'm not, I'm not pushing it on it on anybody.

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Like, to be honest with you, it fucking sucks.

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Like, I don't, I don't miss being hung over, but I definitely do miss being like fucking

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wasted with the, with the bros, you know?

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And it's like, it is, it's socially isolating in a lot of ways.

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Um, but that was actually one of my primary motivations is because I just kind of figured

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I've got like a small window and a huge amount of work to do.

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Um, and I would just losing like a lot of time, um, from like being hung over and, and,

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uh, not being able to like come in and crush it or having, you know, showing up late or

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whatever and like that is just that that's the biggest benefit i've gotten from it is just uh

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more more time but uh oh and obviously savings too because of course you know what they say if

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it's not chateau neuf de pop it's fucking cooking wine so like the sat stacking has been going a lot

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better and uh but yeah i don't feel like amazingly more healthy or better like i thought i would like

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feel 18 again and uh that's just not the case so uh you know love me a little chat new to pappy uh

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just wow but i have not heard that particular expression that's hilarious um but yeah that's

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that that shit will that's a lot of sats uh per bottle let's just say you know it's a racks the

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building racks up quick i uh have uh you know it's interesting i like used to i think just from my

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family upbringing, I was so forced into like an investment mentality that like every dollar I ever

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earned, it was like, if you earn money and you don't invest it and you spend it on something,

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then it's a loss. So like my brain was very wired that like spending on anything was a loss.

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and so like i went through this like very i guess like like stingy sort of cheap phase for a long

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time where i wasn't um spending like when it when it comes to wine in canada we have this brand

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called like naked grape you just get a bottle of of naked grape or barefoot i think they have in

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the states and you just mix that up with some coca-cola and hold on wait wait wait you mix it

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with coca-cola wait wait oh yeah i mean it's fucking really shitty wine so you gotta splash

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it with something yeah but why not maybe like some some mineral water or something coca-cola

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man you got you canadians are wild dude i think it's actually an asian thing i don't know i i can't

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remember i think it was like a korean person or something that showed it to me but i know the

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jones do like beer and coke but wine and coke that's like uh you just blew my mind yeah well

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It makes the shitty wine taste great.

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It tastes like wine-flavored Coca-Cola, like Coke cherry, but it's like Coke wine.

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It's great.

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Can I ask you?

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Yeah.

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I was just going to say, so you said you grew up in a very investment-minded family.

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I assume that if I can ask, you don't have to dox too much, but were your parents from the investment world?

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Was that the situation or was it something else?

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Well, I guess kind of, but like my family around me was all entrepreneurs.

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So like my dad was an entrepreneur.

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My godparents were entrepreneurs and kind of – most of my family is overseas in Europe, like my actual blood family.

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so uh is the case a lot in alberta that you kind of have uh a lot of people's um families who are

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like new generations to canada it's kind of just um different people from different walks of life

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and the area i happened to live in was just um outside of the city like where i was born outside

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of the city but everyone who was there pretty much was entrepreneurs or oil and gas workers or

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ranchers. So from like my entire upbringing really primed me to be ready for Bitcoin,

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which is great. And it makes me kind of think about how lucky like your son is and all the other

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Bitcoin kids that are growing up because having Bitcoin parents is probably the best fucking thing

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that could happen. Like, to anyone who complains about being late on Bitcoin, I always say,

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like, imagine what the people who haven't even been born yet feel. It's like, you can buy it

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today. They got, it'll be fucking, if they're born five years from now and, you know, takes them like

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15 years to kind of figure out that Bitcoin's a good idea, maybe longer in most cases, especially

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if they go into the fiat system. Like, that's fucking hard times, man. Like, by the time they're

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like fuck i should have bought bitcoin they'll be like just 100 million dollar coins and like our

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children will just be like well you know my dad had this podcast and my my dad was this psychopathic

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artist and so it sounds cooler than mine does though like you know like well i mean i like my

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dad had a podcast like i mean but you're also a creator which is great which is why i'm really

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happy to be here. I think there's a lot too many podcasts. I think that the perfect combo is like

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have the podcast because why not? It's fucking fun, but also like make stuff. And you guys

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actually make stuff, which is great. We've been on a pseudo hiatus from like making,

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making stuff with just because of our little guy. And let's be honest, Carla was the,

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the production guru behind all of that. I'm, I'm just the pretty face, you know? And so

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that's, that's slowed down a little bit, but we're going to, we're going to try to kick back

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into it a little bit just because like i don't know the vibes have also shifted though like when

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we were when we started making content was like bear market like that was when we really like got

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into making content hardcore and like you know it's like i don't know the vibes are somehow better

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in the bear market in some ways yeah they are you know what i mean like it's it's counterintuitive

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like you'd think like oh bull market yeah everybody like we've only been here like so one full cycle

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now since like 2020. And throughout that time, now we could argue if we're in a bull market now,

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or if we're just starting or whatever, if it's a super cycle, it doesn't matter.

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We've got like one cycle under our belts. You've got a, you've got a little more than that. So

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you've seen this multiple times, but the bear market just felt better. Like it was more like

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it felt more somehow close knit. Like there was less infighting. There was more like fighting the

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external threats. It seems like once things get too good, it's like you look for problems,

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You look for problems within and you fight within more.

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I don't know.

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Just my perception.

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I don't know how you feel about it.

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Well, the wealth also invites the scammers.

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Well said.

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So it's very hard to scam in a bear market without euphoria.

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The best advantage a scammer can have is hope.

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So if things aren't looking hopeful, it's a worse environment.

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because that's why where i see like the root of pretty much all like i don't pay too much

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attention to it but the root of the fighting i see is like there's a gang of people trying to

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pull some scam on the noobs and the normies and then the other side is um

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people who have ethical standards being like hey fuck you that's bullshit um but yeah in the bear

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market, I mean, it's much, uh, that that's like all the kind of bloatware goes away in the bear

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market and you just have like the lifers, which, which is a lot of fun because, and it's really,

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it's really, I think when you really get Bitcoin and there's like an 80% crash, it's like, fuck

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yeah. Like this is sick because you know, we were, if the price goes down and you're unhappy,

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it just means you're lazy, right?

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You're not earning enough.

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You don't have cash flow.

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You're not, right?

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And if you're smart enough to be in Bitcoin,

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then you should be smart enough to be making fucking money.

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So like if you're pissed when the price goes down,

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like you're slacking, in my opinion.

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I am definitely not a trader.

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I'm trying to hold my Bitcoin for the long term, and if you're like me, you need to make sure you keep that Bitcoin safe by going to bitbox.swiss slash walker and using the promo code walker for 5% off the fully open source Bitcoin only Bitbox O2 hardware wallet.

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Then get your Bitcoin off the exchange and into your own self custody.

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bitcoin is chop solidating right around 100k but we have companies nation states and a whole lot of

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plebs like you and me who are stacking harder than ever so it's going to keep ripping higher

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i can't emphasize this enough the bitbox 02 is just easy as hell to use whether you're brand new

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to Bitcoin. It's your first time setting up a hardware wallet, so you're a little bit nervous,

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it's understandable, or you are a well-seasoned psychopath. You will have no problem with the

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Bitbox. And again, it's fully open source and Bitcoin only, but you don't have to trust me,

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I like that mentality a lot. I think that's honestly spot on and it's going to become

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truer. Like it's already true. Like that's a fact in my opinion. It's going to become even more true.

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I think as the years go on, as Bitcoin is repriced in the world, as it's getting more and more

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expensive in fiat terms, right? You need to like to, you know, you need to keep up with Bitcoin.

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You need to be producing a lot of value. Like you can't just be sitting on your ass doing nothing.

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Like you can, if you already have a more Bitcoin and you know what to do with, I'm super happy for you.

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Great.

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You know, like that's awesome and good for you.

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You were smarter than I was years before I was.

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But that's not me.

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Like, so me, I need to make sure because I also have like, you know, expenses, like a family and everything.

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And like, you know, I need to make sure I create value and I need to create more than I consume.

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And like, it's a pretty simple thing.

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It's like you want to lose weight.

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You need to be in a caloric deficit.

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You need to be, you know, burning more calories than you consume.

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If you do that, you'll lose weight.

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If you're eating more calories than you burn, you're going to gain weight.

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Like it's with some weird little caveats and people get all triggered by this.

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But like basically that's how it works.

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And it's the same thing with value.

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It's like you need to be creating value.

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And if you are not, value is going to go away from you.

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Whatever value you've accumulated, you will lose it little by little.

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It'll be siphoned away.

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So it's like, yeah, I remember that dip down to, what did it get down to?

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Like 16K or something?

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Like it was like terrifying on the one hand because I bought all the way up to the tip of the tippity top.

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Yeah.

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Because I was like, yeah, like it's going up forever.

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Same, man.

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I thought we finally made it.

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And I mean to be fair, we probably would have except if – and that's like every single one of these bear markets is caused by a scammer's project imploding.

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Every single one.

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So –

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It's like why can't they just like quit scamming and like I don't know like –

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go do something worthwhile like but scammers are always going to scam right like there's always

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going to be a percentage of like very intelligent people who have like zero moral compass i mean

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like dare i say like one percent of the population is like clinical psych psychopathy like they're

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literal psychopaths they can't feel empathy i'd say like a lot of those scammers end up in that

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camp like like and maybe that's giving them too much of like an out like they could just be shitty

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people fully capable of feeling empathy but they're just pieces of shit yeah well i think

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i think they lie to themselves mostly is what i find yeah right like i i've been around for a long

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time and could have gotten involved in all kinds of crazy shit and uh every once in a while i'm

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like maybe it'd be nice to have like 200 million bucks stashed away but i what i realized especially

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on this recent trip to vegas i got invited to um this well i didn't get invited i snuck in actually

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to this crypto thing that was in like this penthouse bar.

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And I just like, you know, there was like probably 70 prostitutes in there.

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And like, I just felt so fucking bad for these guys.

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I was like, you know, the thing was like, if you're, if you're a bureaucrat or fucking

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political or, you know, a scammer or from, from any of this like looting and leeching

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class, you don't produce anything. So if you don't produce anything, then the only thing you can do

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with the money you have is spend it. Like you can't make anything. So like, what, what are your

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options? Like you can buy Ferraris, you can buy prostitutes, you can buy drugs, you can go fucking

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gamble like you run out of stuff to do like really fucking quickly and i think that's why a lot of

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these people who end up with all this money are fucking depressed man because like they didn't get

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it by using their productivity they got it through treachery and trickery and then so like once you

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have like the whole in in my mind the whole fucking purpose of money is to build is to make

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and if you don't have any fucking skills making creating like money's pretty fucking useless

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in a lot of ways, right?

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Like, and the more and more you make,

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like the more useless it can kind of become.

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I think it, I don't think you can be happy

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with hundreds of millions of dollars

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unless you have the ability to create.

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I couldn't agree more.

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It's like money buys a lot of things.

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It doesn't buy purpose.

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Like it doesn't buy fulfillment.

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Like quite the opposite.

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Like if you get money through ill, you know,

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if they're ill-gotten gains, like it's hollow.

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right like and as much as you lie to yourself like your subconscious knows again unless you're

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a psychopath in which case yeah good for you go fuck yourself you don't care about anyone so i

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don't care about you like uh rotten hell dude don't care uh but like for a non-psychopathic

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person like your subconscious knows the truth it knows that you didn't get that get what you have

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through any sort of actual constructive value adding behavior you got it through extractive

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parasitic behavior and however much you lie to yourself however many things you spend money on

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nothing's going to fill that gaping void left by a lack of real purpose because i think like

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real fulfillment comes from creating things of value of from building things up not from

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leeching off of them and it's like you know to your point it's like yeah you know money is great

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but like the you know the uh the means matter when it comes to the end like you know the the

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ends don't really justify the means like if the means are shitty okay yeah you got to the end you

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wanted but like is that really what you wanted or did you want to actually feel good about yourself

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and feel fulfilled and be able to keep building things like i don't know there's a lot of leeches

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out there there's a lot of parasites yeah i mean the nightmare would be to like make it and then

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have nothing to do right like like that'll never happen for me man like yeah i got a billion dollars

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to allocate, I know exactly what the fuck to do with it. Now, if you want to talk about returns,

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I don't know about that, but I can tell you, I can spend that billion very well and make a lot of

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very cool stuff. Um, you know, I also found like recently because like I've been in pursuit of

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wealth all my life. And, um, one thing I found, uh, recently is that I think that the scarcity

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actually helps you make decisions on what's important.

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I think if you just have billions of dollars,

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it's really hard to decide what to do.

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Because you don't have that like...

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Like when you're building wealth, if you make a mistake,

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then it's like a lot...

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Just the stakes are so much higher for the decisions that you make

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on like what to build, what to create, what to do,

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what to invest in, what...

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And if you just have billions of dollars and you like lose 10 million here or 100 million there or whatever, like the stakes are just so low.

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So I can imagine it being like, I don't fucking have that money.

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So I have no idea.

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But just when I look out into the world and I see how much wealth supposedly people have and how like there's a massive shortage of really fucking crazy dope stuff, like there's got to be some kind of fucking disconnect happening.

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happening. You know, so I think that like, because tons of people are especially in this Bitcoin

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world, like you get into this on this pursuit to become wealthy and all of that. But like,

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it's the hardship and the struggle and the process of creating the wealth

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that signals like, what values most to you and what you care most about.

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Um, so I think that I, I'm personally very grateful for where I started and where, you

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know, I'm working to get and, uh, you know, skipping that step by like doing a fucking

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ICO or an NFT or ordinal scam.

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Like, you know, you just, you just lose so much, uh, important data, um, so much important

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feedback and, you know, it could be just totally, it's like, and then especially, you know,

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you'll fucking lose it really quickly.

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I think as well,

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like lottery winners,

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a lot of times they win the fucking lottery,

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get a shitload of money and it's just fucking gone a few years later.

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And I think that's because the process of creating wealth is the same tools,

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the same skills that allow you to,

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to preserve it.

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I think,

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I think that's,

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that's spot on.

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And I want to,

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I want to get into that a little bit about the whole,

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like the NFTs and everything,

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because like,

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actually maybe first of all,

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like we should take just like one step back just for folks that don't know

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you. I'm always bad at giving introductions. Like I'd rather you just do it. Like who, who,

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who are you medics? How did, how did, how did you get here to be this hardcore, uh, Bitcoin,

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you know, psychopathic Bitcoin artist or psychopathic artist who also likes Bitcoin.

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I don't want to, I don't want to pigeonhole you with just Bitcoin art. You know, how did you get

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here man uh well i'm a maker i'm a designer and um i wanted meaning in my life and i wanted meaning

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in the stuff i made and designed and i wanted to i want to make a contribution to other people's

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lives in the same way as those before me made a contribution to mine. And I discovered Bitcoin

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along the journey of trying all kinds of stuff and realized it was the, it's when we look back

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on history, there will be the wheel. And then I don't, I don't even think, well, I think Bitcoin

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is so significant that we won't even uh mark like the creation of money as like an important time in

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human history um i think that bitcoin will be the marker of the creation of money um so i think it's

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like just i think we've all won the fucking lottery to be born at this time where the effort

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like the work we do now is going to echo for 10,000 years in the Bitcoin space.

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You know, there's just nothing that will, that has such an insanely crazy impact on civilization.

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So yeah, so that's what got me really fully into Bitcoin. And yeah, so, and then I, along that

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journey. I met Francis Pouliot, the founder of BullBitcoin. And it was just at the right time

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where he wanted to create Bull. And I was friends with Dave Bradley and Dave Bradley was co-founding

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with it. And the whole plan for Bull came together and I was just in the right place, right time with

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the right skill set to come on and create the brand. And yeah, so I guess this is a long and

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rambling story. But like, I make stuff. I'm a designer. And I contribute to Bitcoin through

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my art, which the goal around the whole art and the whole Madex brand is to kind of make

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Bitcoin cool, make Austrian economics cool. Because, you know, really,

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I mean there's nothing there's nothing cool about like uh being a commie that's for sure

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and uh yeah and I don't know why uh well of course I know why but I mean it's just crazy to me that

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people get so sucked into that when we have um so much talent so much ability in ourselves like I

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look at these fucking hands and I'm like the things that these can fucking do is so crazy like

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everything you see in the world came from these two little tools. Right. And, uh, to be like,

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oh, somebody else should do it for me. It's just like, so fucking lame. So anyway, that's my long

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and rambling story, but I make fucking amazing shit. I'm on a trajectory to build a huge fucking

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brand. I want to go, uh, absolutely like St. Laurent level with it anchored in Bitcoin, um,

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funded by Bitcoin, supported by Bitcoiners. And essentially like Bull and Madex together are like,

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and especially Madex, this like just giant fucking Trojan horse project to onboard as many fucking

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people as I possibly can. And so, you know, the goal with the brand and the reach with Bull,

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like when we just launched in Europe and we had like a bunch of people

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contacting us or talking to us like when we were in Prague and being like,

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so are you guys like a fashion company? Like is bull like, and you know, meanwhile,

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bull is the industry standard leader for Bitcoin engineering in the world. And like the most

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technical savvy project I think there is. And making it cool allows people to like,

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discover like all the insane stuff that we're doing. And, and yeah, so that's the goals.

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Just reach, reach people with, I guess what it means to have a Bitcoin life

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and to be powered by Bitcoin and yeah, on board for, you know, the changes. I think many of us

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are aware are inevitable at this point, but like, it still takes work. It's not like the Michael

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sailor thing where, okay, everybody don't worry. It's just going to happen. It's like, no, we

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actually have to build it. We have to build the infrastructure. We have to build the marketing.

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We have to build the brand and like the brand of Bitcoin. Like that, that's what I really want

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Madex to contribute to. Um, it's just the, to, you know, the, the way the Bitcoin brand was done

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was perfect from the beginning because like, it kind of had to be a little bit like Fisher pricey

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because otherwise it may have been taken more seriously earlier.

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And, you know, there was a really long period of time

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where Bitcoin could have failed very easily

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if, you know, the banksters and the fiaters were paying more attention.

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So, but now we're in a really great position.

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And I think the overarching goal for the whole thing

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is we have to get as much fucking talent into Bitcoin as possible.

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And so those are my goals and what drives me.

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And yeah.

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Fuck yeah, man.

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Can I ask you, what do you think is the, let's say, the true brand of Bitcoin?

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Like the non-Fisher Pricey, not what it is presented as so far.

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What is this under the surface?

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Like what is the subversive brand of Bitcoin in your mind?

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Well I mean if you running Bitcoin it means you can do what you want when you want with whoever you want wherever you want whenever you want right

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It's like, you know, it's a ship, right?

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and uh all the components like madex bull bitcoin um like you know even uh even tether like all the

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crypto crap like all the podcast like everybody who is fucking bringing some kind of attention

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to bitcoin that's like just all stuff that's out there happening it's like what bitcoin needs like

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even like the scammers in a lot of ways, because like, um, you know, that I think,

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I think everybody gets scammed at some point in their Bitcoin journey.

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And I think that the sooner it happens, the better, because that's like what ultimately

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leads you to understanding like why Bitcoin is the only application of blockchain and the only

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cryptocurrency. But, um, like what, what, what Bitcoin to me is, is a ship. It's, it's just

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total freedom i mean i like that and like all aboard at the you know all aboard this fucking

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ship like you know like you should get aboard most people won't and and that's the thing it's like

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doesn't we can't save everyone that's a realization and i'm obviously i'm not the first person to say

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that nor will i be the last long in a list of people saying you can't save everyone but it's

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true. And I think that's a realization a lot of people come to once you've spent a little bit of

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time in Bitcoin. And again, I still consider myself like early, like I'm still early in my

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Bitcoin journey. I know fucking nothing. I'm like, I'm still a sponge. I'm trying to learn as much as

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I can and trying to do whatever I can to like, to spread that, you know, that good word, uh,

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to spread that gospel, uh, you know, to spread that truth, however you want to say it. But like,

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And man, it's funny because if you didn't know any better and you just were hearing about Bitcoin for the first time right now, and you've been living under a rock for a while.

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But a lot of people have because they pay attention to the real housewives of whatever and whatever sports team.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

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Do whatever the fuck you want to do with your life.

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But if you're just hearing about Bitcoin now and you've been kind of asleep and you now hear about this thing where it's like you're hearing about in the context of corporate treasuries.

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and the U S government, you know, legislation and all these different things,

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you may have a really distorted view of what Bitcoin is like,

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what Bitcoin really is, what Bitcoin really means.

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And maybe that's okay too. Maybe that's just like a natural part.

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Maybe it's, it's necessarily true that you need,

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like you only need a certain small cohort of people to really understand the

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truth of something in order to make that truth into a reality. Does that,

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does that make sense? Like, like we're never going to ever,

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everyone is not going to be a fucking toxic Bitcoin maximalist.

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It's just not going to happen.

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It's not possible.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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00:34:35,172 --> 00:34:36,112
it's like,

420
00:34:36,452 --> 00:34:37,552
well,

421
00:34:37,672 --> 00:34:38,212
first of all,

422
00:34:38,212 --> 00:34:39,732
I would say to everybody,

423
00:34:39,892 --> 00:34:41,532
especially anyone who's new is like,

424
00:34:41,572 --> 00:34:44,952
don't waste your time on anybody who's not,

425
00:34:44,952 --> 00:34:48,932
who's not interested in what we're up to.

426
00:34:49,072 --> 00:34:49,352
I mean,

427
00:34:49,352 --> 00:34:55,212
like it's so fucking crystal clear that Bitcoin wins at this point.

428
00:34:55,212 --> 00:35:04,592
that, you know, just the only people I spend time like sharing Bitcoin stuff with are people who are

429
00:35:04,592 --> 00:35:09,272
actually curious and interested and they want to know and they're willing to listen. I like say,

430
00:35:09,272 --> 00:35:19,052
you got to watch out for the, well, actually people. Because it's like, they just say so much

431
00:35:19,052 --> 00:35:24,372
complete. It's the Brandolini's Law thing where it just takes a huge amount of energy to refute

432
00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:30,292
the bullshit and if they say something fucking dumb like you every single stupid thing that

433
00:35:30,292 --> 00:35:38,312
somebody says about bitcoin has like they're missing entire um you know segments of data

434
00:35:38,312 --> 00:35:44,232
that just cannot be filled in a conversation at the bar or at thanksgiving dinner um it's just

435
00:35:44,232 --> 00:35:49,292
like okay you like the main thing being like you don't fucking understand what money even is in the

436
00:35:49,292 --> 00:35:54,832
first place. And, uh, you know, like nobody's worth talking to if they don't know how actually,

437
00:35:54,952 --> 00:36:02,392
like how money actually works. Um, and then tons, tons of like, I feel like over the years,

438
00:36:02,392 --> 00:36:12,772
there's been this weird desire to like get the suits in because maybe, I don't know. I can

439
00:36:12,772 --> 00:36:17,052
remember a time in my life where I felt very embarrassed about like skipping out on university.

440
00:36:17,052 --> 00:36:26,672
I could have had a very glamorous university career, we could say. And I chose not to do that,

441
00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:35,912
chose to just make my own way. And I think that during that time when I would meet people who did

442
00:36:35,912 --> 00:36:43,072
do the university thing and went down these trails that lead to all these financial instruments,

443
00:36:43,072 --> 00:36:50,972
And is that it was almost like you want their approval for some reason.

444
00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:54,632
It's like you want them to be like, oh, yeah, you were right about the Bitcoin stuff.

445
00:36:55,572 --> 00:37:01,652
But like, dude, you just get so fucking wealthy from the Bitcoin that like it doesn't matter.

446
00:37:01,992 --> 00:37:09,652
Like, do you care about I think in the beginning when you're building, it's like you want like reassurance on your investment or something.

447
00:37:09,652 --> 00:37:13,552
and you think because somebody has a fucking university degree that they actually fucking

448
00:37:13,552 --> 00:37:18,132
know dick about shit but they don't they don't know fucking anything they're programmed with

449
00:37:18,132 --> 00:37:23,372
the keynesian stuff and on top of that especially in canada like all the insane communist propaganda

450
00:37:23,372 --> 00:37:28,152
and yeah i don't know i think just when you're young you want to like prove yourself

451
00:37:28,152 --> 00:37:35,152
into the world and you're looking for all this like supportive feedback um but like one or two

452
00:37:35,152 --> 00:37:40,772
cycles with Bitcoin and like, you know, hopefully, hopefully just the fact that you're, you've 10X

453
00:37:40,772 --> 00:37:45,952
net worth, um, is enough that you don't need to do. Like, I'm really disgusted by the suit simping.

454
00:37:46,032 --> 00:37:54,532
I would like it to stop. Like I'm a, I'm a suits last supporter. Um, I don't, I don't want any old

455
00:37:54,532 --> 00:38:00,892
money coming in into Bitcoin. Um, that, well, old money if earned, earned ethically is fine,

456
00:38:00,892 --> 00:38:06,592
but like i don't want any of that crap here man like all all they do is fucking use big words and

457
00:38:06,592 --> 00:38:11,832
fucking sophisticated complex sounding crap to like sound like they're smarter than you and that

458
00:38:11,832 --> 00:38:17,032
you need to hire them to do something that you could just do for yourself and like all of fiat

459
00:38:17,032 --> 00:38:23,192
obviously is set up to support that um because of how complicated they make it and now you got to

460
00:38:23,192 --> 00:38:29,792
spend like half your time just trying to outrun inflation um but yeah man like suits last like

461
00:38:29,792 --> 00:38:34,112
fuck them they had their time they made all this money and like how money is supposed to work is

462
00:38:34,112 --> 00:38:39,712
that like the person who has the fucking most money is the person who's most valuable to society and

463
00:38:39,712 --> 00:38:44,192
when the government is printing money and the money is broken what happens is the people who

464
00:38:44,192 --> 00:38:50,692
are the least valuable and the most skilled at trickery and deception and fraud basically end

465
00:38:50,692 --> 00:38:55,292
up rising to the top and so like you've got girls going around right now and they'll go out to the

466
00:38:55,292 --> 00:39:00,432
bar and they'll meet a guy who's like an HVAC person and they'll be like, I don't want to talk

467
00:39:00,432 --> 00:39:04,752
to you. But then they meet some guy who's an investment banker, you know, vice president,

468
00:39:04,972 --> 00:39:10,312
right? Because there's fucking a thousand vice presidents at every bank. And, you know,

469
00:39:10,652 --> 00:39:18,192
that guy does not produce anything, right? And so I think all of that is just like totally

470
00:39:18,192 --> 00:39:24,932
societally screwed up. And, you know, my hope is that my focus is to onboard everybody that

471
00:39:24,932 --> 00:39:30,812
supports my life and what I need. So stuff I need to maintain properties, stuff I need to maintain

472
00:39:30,812 --> 00:39:38,812
my home, stuff I need to operate my business, my daily day life. I want all the productive people

473
00:39:38,812 --> 00:39:43,972
to get Bitcoin, understand Bitcoin and save in Bitcoin. Because like, I mean, the road for an

474
00:39:43,972 --> 00:39:52,592
HVAC guy to have a Ferrari collection is like really, really, really difficult. Whereas investment

475
00:39:52,592 --> 00:39:57,352
banking, you just got to suck dick up to a certain point and then it just opens up for you. Right.

476
00:39:58,172 --> 00:40:04,832
And Bitcoin will change that because all it's going to take is like, you know, for one company

477
00:40:04,832 --> 00:40:09,052
to be like, okay, like the HVAC guy or like an auto mechanic shop or any of these things that

478
00:40:09,052 --> 00:40:15,012
actually fucking contribute to civilization to start accepting Bitcoin. All the Bitcoiners will

479
00:40:15,012 --> 00:40:19,252
go to their business because they'll be stoked to be able to like pay for their car with Bitcoin.

480
00:40:19,252 --> 00:40:23,632
and then you know they can sell whatever percentage of it but as long as they're

481
00:40:23,632 --> 00:40:29,212
fucking saving it like that amount of Bitcoin will become the financier for everything that

482
00:40:29,212 --> 00:40:36,712
fucking business and anyone connected to it does in the future and you know that that's who I want

483
00:40:36,712 --> 00:40:43,612
to win right like the heart the heart of civilization like the the core Iron Man heart

484
00:40:43,612 --> 00:40:50,292
of civilization is the entrepreneur. If the entrepreneur is unhealthy, then everything else

485
00:40:50,292 --> 00:40:57,172
collapses, everything fails. And if the entrepreneur is healthy and supported and has an environment

486
00:40:57,172 --> 00:41:04,452
that they can create and build and contribute in, then that's what grows out into civilization.

487
00:41:05,472 --> 00:41:12,492
And Bitcoin is that ship, that ultimate tool for the entrepreneur to put them in a position where

488
00:41:12,492 --> 00:41:19,192
they can conduct business without all of the fucking weight and all of the crap that comes

489
00:41:19,192 --> 00:41:23,272
from the fiat system and also the heavily over-regulated crazy government system.

490
00:41:24,272 --> 00:41:29,192
And, you know, it just frees everything up.

491
00:41:29,452 --> 00:41:30,772
And I'm really excited.

492
00:41:30,832 --> 00:41:37,952
I remember for a long period, like we can look at our world right now and like, it's

493
00:41:37,952 --> 00:41:42,472
incredible what we've been, like capitalism is so fucking powerful.

494
00:41:42,492 --> 00:41:50,992
that like we haven't had it for like a hundred and whatever 25 years or something we haven't had

495
00:41:50,992 --> 00:41:57,192
anything close to like real capitalism since the creation of the fed right and look at what we've

496
00:41:57,192 --> 00:42:03,732
accomplished in spite of that so it's very hopeful because imagine the world when we just fucking

497
00:42:03,732 --> 00:42:10,512
even if like just only 10 percent of the sludge was removed imagine the efficiency like it used

498
00:42:10,512 --> 00:42:14,912
to be year over year over year even in spite of all the crazy shit it was like better and better

499
00:42:14,912 --> 00:42:19,152
and better things got better and then we just kind of hit this point where now like things are getting

500
00:42:19,152 --> 00:42:26,452
worse year over year over year and uh i just can't wait to fucking return and i think it'll be powered

501
00:42:26,452 --> 00:42:36,572
by the i don't think that uh i don't think like the system is gonna change at all because obviously

502
00:42:36,572 --> 00:42:44,632
everybody in it is incentivized for it not to change. I think that entrepreneurs who onboard

503
00:42:44,632 --> 00:42:50,872
and use Bitcoin are just going to build, we're just going to build our own system.

504
00:42:51,872 --> 00:42:58,952
And people will transact in Bitcoin world or they'll transact in fiat world. And just obviously

505
00:42:58,952 --> 00:43:04,072
the world without all of the fucking garbage is going to do way better.

506
00:43:06,572 --> 00:43:14,352
uh first of all fuck yeah um and and second of all i think that that's a a really important point

507
00:43:14,352 --> 00:43:18,952
like because this debate is always about like oh well the the you know the fiat's just like are we

508
00:43:18,952 --> 00:43:23,352
gonna you know fix the we're gonna fix the money uh you know but like and and that'll fix the fiat

509
00:43:23,352 --> 00:43:27,292
system it's like yeah no it's changed the money yeah it's like the money the money's already been

510
00:43:27,292 --> 00:43:32,992
fixed like we already like bitcoin already fixed the money now yeah the fiat system cannot embrace

511
00:43:32,992 --> 00:43:37,992
Bitcoin fully because it would mean the destruction of itself. And as you exactly pointed out, it's

512
00:43:37,992 --> 00:43:44,012
like that won't happen. It won't destroy itself, at least on purpose. And that's why we have this

513
00:43:44,012 --> 00:43:49,772
parallel system of people who just freely and willingly say, yeah, I'm going to accept Bitcoin.

514
00:43:49,952 --> 00:43:55,712
I'm going to value my time, my energy, my labor, my thoughts, my dreams, my hopes. I'm going to

515
00:43:55,712 --> 00:43:59,332
value all of that in Bitcoin. I'm going to denominate it in Bitcoin. And that's how I'm

516
00:43:59,332 --> 00:44:03,832
going to live my life. And the more people that kind of move over to that system, move their time,

517
00:44:03,912 --> 00:44:08,772
move their energy, start thinking in that way, it sucks the energy out of that fiat system.

518
00:44:08,852 --> 00:44:14,872
And like, it's, it's the parallel system that forces, forces change on the existing fiat system.

519
00:44:14,872 --> 00:44:19,792
But again, still the existing fiat system, like it just wants to perpetuate itself. And those who

520
00:44:19,792 --> 00:44:25,372
benefit from it want to perpetuate it. It's going to stay as it is for the foreseeable future.

521
00:44:25,372 --> 00:44:31,532
in the meantime things are gonna get i mean i'm very hopeful in the long term like extremely hopeful

522
00:44:31,532 --> 00:44:38,792
like so bullish on humanity's future in the short term i'm kind of like things are gonna get mega

523
00:44:38,792 --> 00:44:44,232
fucked um and it's gonna be not super pleasant for a lot of people in the world and like you

524
00:44:44,232 --> 00:44:50,092
better make sure you have your house in order and your shit shit on lock and like hopefully you've

525
00:44:50,092 --> 00:44:54,372
got you know you've got some bitcoin you've got some guns and you've got access to fresh water

526
00:44:54,372 --> 00:44:57,052
And like, cause you just don't know what might happen, you know?

527
00:44:57,612 --> 00:44:57,752
Yeah.

528
00:44:58,012 --> 00:45:03,512
And well, I mean like the, either you will, there, there will just be the Bitcoin class

529
00:45:03,512 --> 00:45:10,872
and people who operate on Bitcoin, their lives just will continue to get better and will

530
00:45:10,872 --> 00:45:14,712
continue to get more organized and coordinate better.

531
00:45:15,412 --> 00:45:18,232
Um, and I'll just continue to grow.

532
00:45:18,512 --> 00:45:23,932
And I think on the fiat side, like things are going to get really rough, but, um,

533
00:45:24,372 --> 00:45:32,012
you know, we can just, you can just leave, uh, wherever you are, if you need to,

534
00:45:32,112 --> 00:45:37,032
if you really had to. And, uh, there are places that will become sort of,

535
00:45:37,032 --> 00:45:44,232
you know, the percentage of people that the, the highest percentage of people running Bitcoin

536
00:45:44,232 --> 00:45:51,432
will be the, the places that end up kind of, uh, brain draining and kind of sucking everybody into.

537
00:45:51,432 --> 00:46:05,852
And the more the fiat world kind of blows apart, that'll free up a lot of the state garbage that is preventative of a lot of traveling to different places and things like that.

538
00:46:05,852 --> 00:46:21,572
So it's kind of like I think I think about it like the in Mexico, you have the cartels and the government. And so you have like this balance in a way where neither side really has the monopoly on violence.

539
00:46:21,572 --> 00:46:31,572
and so you have uh everybody has a choice of whether they want to like live in cartel

540
00:46:31,572 --> 00:46:35,052
neighborhoods with paved roads and street lights or if they want to live in government

541
00:46:35,052 --> 00:46:41,992
neighborhoods with potholes and you know crack addicts right and i think it's the same thing for

542
00:46:41,992 --> 00:46:50,372
for bitcoin and and fiat you just the the way i see it the way i hope is that you'll just have a

543
00:46:50,372 --> 00:46:57,152
choice and like it'll be kind of like an elysium thing right which sucks but like hey if you don't

544
00:46:57,152 --> 00:47:06,952
like it in fiat world with one simple trick you can switch over and um so long as you like i think

545
00:47:06,952 --> 00:47:11,072
every single fucking person listening to this show every person in fucking bitcoin

546
00:47:11,072 --> 00:47:19,612
needs to be developing their fucking skills and developing their talents um and developing their

547
00:47:19,612 --> 00:47:29,352
brain and um like you said like we said earlier like get good at providing value and i find a lot

548
00:47:29,352 --> 00:47:34,552
of guys like are like there's a huge push from people who are new to want to get involved and

549
00:47:34,552 --> 00:47:42,332
like do something in bitcoin they want to do something bitcoin related but like if you're

550
00:47:42,332 --> 00:47:49,392
already like a master woodworker and now you want to like leave your job woodworking to go and start

551
00:47:49,392 --> 00:47:51,712
a Bitcoin podcast, like that's probably not a good idea.

552
00:47:51,852 --> 00:47:57,612
Like just get fucking way better at woodworking because for example, I have the intention

553
00:47:57,612 --> 00:48:03,732
to build Madex mansions, crazy fucking wild homes one day.

554
00:48:03,732 --> 00:48:06,012
And I'm going to need talent for that.

555
00:48:06,092 --> 00:48:11,312
I'm going to need fucking super skilled woodworking people to come in or name whatever the trade

556
00:48:11,312 --> 00:48:11,612
is.

557
00:48:11,612 --> 00:48:18,452
and you know especially the name of the game is like in my opinion it's like

558
00:48:18,452 --> 00:48:24,032
you know obviously you want to do something that you that you enjoy and that you care about

559
00:48:24,032 --> 00:48:33,932
but I think when you build a skill in something and you get better and better and better at it that

560
00:48:33,932 --> 00:48:41,592
that makes you care about it and makes you love it like everything I love about myself is the

561
00:48:41,592 --> 00:48:47,872
stuff I'm good at. Everything I hate about myself is the stuff I'm bad at. And I'm just like

562
00:48:47,872 --> 00:48:54,552
constantly trying to, you know, get better at what I'm good at and like not try to worry less about

563
00:48:54,552 --> 00:49:01,292
what I'm, what I'm bad at. Like shipping. Madex, Madex art, 10 stars. Madex customer service,

564
00:49:01,952 --> 00:49:08,892
one star. But you know, I'm working, I'm finding people who can help me like where

565
00:49:08,892 --> 00:49:15,132
I fall short. And anyway, so like my, my summary on that point being like,

566
00:49:15,132 --> 00:49:20,272
whatever it is you're already good at, like, just get fucking better at it. And like,

567
00:49:20,312 --> 00:49:22,592
if you're bored, it probably just means you're not trying.

568
00:49:24,452 --> 00:49:28,492
Honestly, it's, it's good advice. I'm curious to just on the topic of, okay.

569
00:49:29,572 --> 00:49:34,472
Artists, woodworkers, like, which is a form of artisanship, right? Do you think we see a,

570
00:49:34,472 --> 00:49:41,712
does this parallel system that bitcoin has enabled does this uh does this generally force

571
00:49:41,712 --> 00:49:47,752
or encourage a return back to like true artisanship back to a true not just like as a hobby but like

572
00:49:47,752 --> 00:49:52,312
as a profession as a class of people that's like like because i feel like that's like something

573
00:49:52,312 --> 00:49:57,072
we've lost and like we can get into kind of like fiat art a little bit a little bit later which i'd

574
00:49:57,072 --> 00:50:01,312
love to but like do you think we see a return to that like do we see a return to even like

575
00:50:01,312 --> 00:50:08,112
patronage as a to support artists and artisans like is that something we start to see come back

576
00:50:08,112 --> 00:50:13,632
as people amass these large fortunes and say like yo i love what like madex is doing i just want to

577
00:50:13,632 --> 00:50:17,992
give him like some bitcoin no strings attached to like keep doing that like because this is how

578
00:50:17,992 --> 00:50:22,232
like the renaissance like that's what the renaissance was was a bunch of people that

579
00:50:22,232 --> 00:50:27,512
had a fuckload of money saying yo i like this da vinci guy we should give him a shitload of money

580
00:50:27,512 --> 00:50:32,352
so that he can just focus on doing whatever the fuck comes into his mind and that's it and like

581
00:50:32,352 --> 00:50:35,872
he doesn't have to worry about like stupid shit like having a boring job like he can just

582
00:50:35,872 --> 00:50:44,612
make shit like do you think that comes back is it starting to already yeah i it yes it comes back

583
00:50:44,612 --> 00:50:53,112
um i mean fuck send me 100 bitcoins and find out right like it's it's i i have some fucking crazy

584
00:50:53,112 --> 00:50:58,152
you know and i'm building towards it it's going to happen inevitably but um that's what we want

585
00:50:58,152 --> 00:51:05,972
to unlock for for anybody right like the the most common thing we see in fiat is the master

586
00:51:05,972 --> 00:51:16,612
oil painter is working as a clerk in a legal office the you know the the the master fucking

587
00:51:16,612 --> 00:51:22,892
uh carpenter is working as a framer like somebody who can sculpt anything out of fucking wood

588
00:51:22,892 --> 00:51:28,032
to extreme details working framing uh like trailer homes basically at this point that's

589
00:51:28,032 --> 00:51:32,912
all they're building in canada by the way trailer homes um even like the crazy luxury mansions

590
00:51:32,912 --> 00:51:40,892
they're all just stick builds and uh you know like bitcoin makes you think about the future

591
00:51:40,892 --> 00:51:49,872
and it makes you think about being awesome and leaving stuff that's fucking awesome because i

592
00:51:49,872 --> 00:51:52,992
I mean, like, look at what previous generations left for us.

593
00:51:53,072 --> 00:51:55,632
That's fucking incredible.

594
00:51:56,252 --> 00:52:00,232
And like, isn't it exciting to have the potential to do the same?

595
00:52:01,252 --> 00:52:10,352
And, you know, like, when I'm looking to build something just because of what Bitcoin has

596
00:52:10,352 --> 00:52:13,752
done to my mind, I want it to last into the future.

597
00:52:13,952 --> 00:52:15,252
I want it to go to my children.

598
00:52:15,412 --> 00:52:16,412
I want it to be generational.

599
00:52:16,412 --> 00:52:39,232
Like I think – like I really, really, really believe in generational wealth and having something that you care about that you know a hundred years from now, one of your descendants will have like that pocket knife or that backpack and the same thing.

600
00:52:39,292 --> 00:52:40,552
And I think that's really fucking cool.

601
00:52:40,552 --> 00:52:44,092
Like all the stuff – I'm sure everybody feels the same way, I would guess.

602
00:52:44,092 --> 00:52:56,592
Like all the things I value the most are the things I have from my great grandparents, my grandparents, and, you know, particularly since losing my dad, like my dad.

603
00:52:57,332 --> 00:53:02,452
Like my favorite fucking jacket in the whole world is my dad's old jacket, you know?

604
00:53:02,512 --> 00:53:09,532
And there's just like, there's so much value that can go into things from just like the story of life.

605
00:53:09,532 --> 00:53:20,372
And if that thing is shit, then the story goes with the object as well.

606
00:53:20,912 --> 00:53:21,532
Right?

607
00:53:21,692 --> 00:53:33,132
Like, luckily, like the coat I'm particularly thinking about from my dad, like, it was made in a time where this thing was built to fucking last.

608
00:53:33,292 --> 00:53:34,952
And like, it'll last my entire life.

609
00:53:35,032 --> 00:53:37,932
It'll last my future son's entire life.

610
00:53:37,932 --> 00:53:54,812
It will just continue to get passed down year over year over year. And, you know, that is important, I think. I think that something that fiat has really attacked is our heritage and where we came from.

611
00:53:54,812 --> 00:54:03,812
um there's this super disconnect between like us today and our ancestors and it's kind of like

612
00:54:03,812 --> 00:54:15,532
you know instead of thinking about our histories we are on instagram which is an awful waste of um

613
00:54:16,192 --> 00:54:24,792
everything right and uh so i think that the ability and like obviously when especially when

614
00:54:24,792 --> 00:54:30,792
it comes to art like what i'm what i'm selling is the most luxurious fucking item that you could

615
00:54:30,792 --> 00:54:38,292
possibly fucking buy it is the most like of if anything fucking goes wrong in an economy like

616
00:54:38,292 --> 00:54:48,152
art is the first thing that stops getting made um and that's in these boom and busts but like

617
00:54:48,152 --> 00:54:52,712
when we switch to a bitcoin standard we don't have those anymore we just have up and up and up

618
00:54:52,712 --> 00:55:00,172
and up better and better and better and better and more and just like it it if everybody's becoming

619
00:55:00,172 --> 00:55:05,432
wealthier like just imagine the possibilities that are out there like i'm super motivated with

620
00:55:05,432 --> 00:55:12,072
madex for people to see what i'm doing and it lead them to have the courage to develop whatever

621
00:55:12,072 --> 00:55:19,352
their like base talents and abilities are for themselves um because like i make fucking amazing

622
00:55:19,352 --> 00:55:27,492
shit, but like, I also really appreciate amazing shit. And when I look at my own stuff, I don't,

623
00:55:27,552 --> 00:55:31,532
I don't, I don't like it really, you know, like I like it. It's cool. Obviously I'm making it for

624
00:55:31,532 --> 00:55:36,592
myself, but the experience of like, when I meet someone who's making something that's fucking

625
00:55:36,592 --> 00:55:43,092
crazy, you know, I want to be able to, to make acquisitions and do support and I want to support

626
00:55:43,092 --> 00:55:48,592
artists and creators and stuff as well. So I want as many creative people as possible to be well

627
00:55:48,592 --> 00:55:54,372
funded. And I think, I think it's happening across the board. I think that it, it, I think

628
00:55:54,372 --> 00:56:00,832
we're just too early in the Bitcoins right now. I think there'll be like this, um,

629
00:56:03,332 --> 00:56:10,312
moment where the cash will just be like, the value of the coins will just be so fucking crazy

630
00:56:10,312 --> 00:56:14,972
that it'll just start happening. And I'm not really sure we're there yet. I think that like,

631
00:56:14,972 --> 00:56:21,852
even some of the people I know who are like secret billionaires are not spending right now.

632
00:56:21,912 --> 00:56:29,372
They're still in hodl mode, which is great because like I want, I want, you know,

633
00:56:30,412 --> 00:56:35,652
anarcho-capitalists to be the wealthiest people in the world. And so the more wealth that they

634
00:56:35,652 --> 00:56:40,452
can build, the better that is for everybody. But I think that the time is coming at some point where

635
00:56:40,452 --> 00:56:44,352
it'll change and there'll be a lot more investment into the creative side of things.

636
00:56:44,692 --> 00:56:51,892
And also like, it's important to do it fucking now because like if Madex wasn't funded,

637
00:56:51,892 --> 00:56:53,872
then I just wouldn't be here.

638
00:56:54,132 --> 00:57:00,812
I would go and, you know, be working in the fucking oil rigs or something like where I

639
00:57:00,812 --> 00:57:01,132
started.

640
00:57:01,972 --> 00:57:09,572
And thanks to the support I've had in Bitcoin, like I'm able to focus entirely on creating

641
00:57:09,572 --> 00:57:16,452
the best possible fucking artwork that I possibly can and finding people who are insanely talented

642
00:57:16,452 --> 00:57:20,552
and assembling teams and figuring out how to develop stuff and figuring out how to scale

643
00:57:20,552 --> 00:57:21,192
and expand.

644
00:57:21,552 --> 00:57:26,532
And like all of that is done from the support right now, a very small amount of people that

645
00:57:26,532 --> 00:57:32,192
like really believe in what I'm doing and have supported me in kind of the same way

646
00:57:32,192 --> 00:57:34,692
that you've described.

647
00:57:34,692 --> 00:57:46,852
And like if when you see talent in the world, if you don't support it, then you are condemning it.

648
00:57:47,952 --> 00:57:57,972
Because and a lot of the attitude is like, OK, well, I will I'll do this when coins are X amount or whatever.

649
00:57:57,972 --> 00:58:05,892
but like if if you just let all the creatives fucking die then when the time actually comes

650
00:58:05,892 --> 00:58:10,512
and we're at a hundred million dollar coins there's going to be nobody to do the work

651
00:58:10,512 --> 00:58:16,832
right it's like a garden it has to be grown like you know or a crop you have to cultivate it and

652
00:58:16,832 --> 00:58:22,492
water it and grow it over time and like have to ensure that if you want to spend your bitcoin on

653
00:58:22,492 --> 00:58:26,912
really fucking amazing shit in the future like that that's the whole goal i'm assuming hopefully

654
00:58:26,912 --> 00:58:34,292
can't just hodl until you die that would be pretty whack you know it's like to have uh access to

655
00:58:34,292 --> 00:58:38,672
people who have those fucking skills like we talk a lot about when we look into the past and see all

656
00:58:38,672 --> 00:58:43,392
these crazy things that they've made and they're like oh yeah well like with technology today you

657
00:58:43,392 --> 00:58:49,912
can't do that and it's because like we let those trades people die um and that that's really the

658
00:58:49,912 --> 00:58:54,692
huge super mega destroyer when you imagine like the destruction that printing money actually has

659
00:58:54,692 --> 00:59:00,272
on a civilization. It's like not just a loss of wealth. It's a loss of everything that fucking

660
00:59:00,272 --> 00:59:08,972
comes out of wealth, which is the most important asset, human creativity. So I think the change

661
00:59:08,972 --> 00:59:15,152
will happen. Um, I think that anybody who's in that like thousands of coins kind of situation,

662
00:59:15,152 --> 00:59:23,232
uh, call me and, uh, let's fucking make some things happen because you know, the, the,

663
00:59:23,232 --> 00:59:29,612
the more energy I can take in and then allocate, then like the farther all of this can go.

664
00:59:30,692 --> 00:59:40,672
And really success is like this massive, uh, uh, it, it, it's the main driver to get involved in,

665
00:59:40,732 --> 00:59:48,272
in anything. Um, and so like success stories, I think already made X is looking really good and

666
00:59:48,272 --> 00:59:51,832
it's like, okay, well, how did all that start? And it's like, well, it started in Bitcoin. Like

667
00:59:51,832 --> 01:00:00,352
he had a skill, he brought it to Bitcoiners and Bitcoiners invested in him to define and build

668
01:00:00,352 --> 01:00:06,252
and cultivate that skill and get better and better and better. And I want to show the world

669
01:00:06,252 --> 01:00:16,572
that Bitcoin is a place that you can bring your wares and bring your talents and receive support.

670
01:00:16,572 --> 01:00:23,552
and that that's also why i'm like super critical on on stuff that like i have canadian

671
01:00:23,552 --> 01:00:28,492
fucking blood in me so i'm like overly kind but like i would like to get even more ruthless on

672
01:00:28,492 --> 01:00:38,232
things because like my primary message is just like fucking uh do do better and like even if

673
01:00:38,232 --> 01:00:43,352
you're already think you're the best like do better man do more and like level up and scale up

674
01:00:43,352 --> 01:00:50,812
and just, I don't want to give out any praise for stuff that is not reaching like what I see as like

675
01:00:50,812 --> 01:01:02,712
a minimum standard for greatness. And, um, I want to see more, like I, the best possible thing I

676
01:01:02,712 --> 01:01:07,812
could see happening is that like 10 years from now, there's like somebody who's like the new

677
01:01:07,812 --> 01:01:14,852
Madex or something that's making just like totally insane, crazy stuff. Hopefully I can find them and

678
01:01:14,852 --> 01:01:20,932
hire them at Madex before they bust out on their own. That would be fucking sweet. Because that's

679
01:01:20,932 --> 01:01:25,912
ultimately what I want to do is build a team of artists and artisans and creators. Like the long

680
01:01:25,912 --> 01:01:32,592
term goal for Madex is to be like a design firm and be like, okay, we're building this hydroelectric

681
01:01:32,592 --> 01:01:41,932
dam and we want it to reflect how fucking cool it is you know it's not just about making bitcoin

682
01:01:41,932 --> 01:01:49,072
fucking cool it's about making all the things that fucking power are that are we cannot survive

683
01:01:49,072 --> 01:01:56,972
without fucking cool like the oil derrick i love that you know i want i like when you walk to a

684
01:01:56,972 --> 01:02:03,192
a fucking drill site. I want it to feel like a cathedral. Like we should honor the, these things

685
01:02:03,192 --> 01:02:08,992
with the same energy that we put into honoring, uh, you know, honor the motor and honor the gear

686
01:02:08,992 --> 01:02:14,172
and honor the hydroelectric dams and whatever other crazy fucking amazing stuff we build.

687
01:02:14,172 --> 01:02:18,512
Like it should be, I think these tools should be really well respected. And I think right now

688
01:02:18,512 --> 01:02:24,772
they're just the bare minimum because like, um, you know, of all the fiat forces and also like,

689
01:02:24,772 --> 01:02:28,312
you know everything's got to be cost competitive and all that kind of stuff

690
01:02:28,312 --> 01:02:31,512
but when the oil companies become insanely fucking wealthy

691
01:02:31,512 --> 01:02:36,052
because they're converting a lot of their oil profits into bitcoin

692
01:02:36,052 --> 01:02:45,472
why not make the derricks fucking look like cathedral spires right like obviously with

693
01:02:45,472 --> 01:02:49,852
function in in mind as well but like why not have have them have that inspiration

694
01:02:49,852 --> 01:02:54,732
um and i think it's already there like when i go and look at pump jacks and things

695
01:02:54,732 --> 01:02:55,812
Like I just think they're beautiful.

696
01:02:56,252 --> 01:03:01,992
And like when I look at engines, I just think it's just – there's just such spirit in them.

697
01:03:02,912 --> 01:03:11,592
And I would like to see more love and more care put into all of these technologies that drive us.

698
01:03:12,812 --> 01:03:14,072
Brings more people in.

699
01:03:14,312 --> 01:03:27,064
It makes people proud of what they doing I think Let me ask you this is something that I think about a lot which is just like the what is downstream versus upstream of what

700
01:03:27,925 --> 01:03:36,425
But in the context I want to talk to you about, it's like when it comes to art versus culture, like is art upstream of culture?

701
01:03:36,584 --> 01:03:38,465
You know, does the art create the culture?

702
01:03:38,564 --> 01:03:39,985
Does the culture create the art?

703
01:03:39,985 --> 01:03:44,245
how do you look at this as somebody who is an artist?

704
01:03:44,425 --> 01:03:47,965
Like I feel like you are uniquely positioned to speak on this with some authority.

705
01:03:48,084 --> 01:03:48,825
How do you view that?

706
01:03:52,825 --> 01:03:55,604
Well, like we need each other.

707
01:03:56,705 --> 01:03:56,985
Fair.

708
01:03:56,985 --> 01:04:06,225
And, you know, I think the culture,

709
01:04:06,225 --> 01:04:16,284
like the culture fuels the art because like it generates patrons for the artisans and the creators.

710
01:04:17,524 --> 01:04:23,425
And then the art itself like inspires more people to be involved.

711
01:04:23,985 --> 01:04:27,624
Do you think the art is a rejection of culture though?

712
01:04:27,725 --> 01:04:35,365
Like it's a reject like like a lot of what like what you do, the art you create is a rejection of fiat culture.

713
01:04:35,365 --> 01:04:41,705
it's a like it's the complete opposite like is is that part of the equation as well like the maybe

714
01:04:41,705 --> 01:04:47,685
like the culture can fuel the art but also the art can be a complete rejection of that culture

715
01:04:47,685 --> 01:04:51,225
you know do you know what i mean like it yeah because that's when i look at your art i'm like

716
01:04:51,225 --> 01:04:57,405
it says fuck fiat to me like and i love that yeah thank you yeah it's um

717
01:04:57,405 --> 01:05:08,685
i mean i think that people just like the thing about capitalism is that it's natural

718
01:05:08,685 --> 01:05:19,985
it's just what happens it's it's just it's just emergent from what we are um and but the the the

719
01:05:19,985 --> 01:05:27,505
problem with capitalism for people who are bullish on slavery and global domination

720
01:05:27,505 --> 01:05:29,465
is that it makes that impossible.

721
01:05:31,564 --> 01:05:34,985
And, you know, the...

722
01:05:39,505 --> 01:05:48,665
It's been extremely well-financed, which is, like, why I think it's become so strong.

723
01:05:49,985 --> 01:05:54,425
But it's not fucking natural, right?

724
01:05:54,465 --> 01:05:57,544
Like, these commies, like, we give them all a fucking hard time.

725
01:05:57,544 --> 01:06:06,544
But at the end of the day, like, why they're such losers is because they're not reaching their potentials.

726
01:06:06,905 --> 01:06:12,385
They're not becoming who God wants them to be.

727
01:06:12,385 --> 01:06:24,885
and they're using every possible thing as an excuse to be the reason why they can't fulfill

728
01:06:24,885 --> 01:06:34,665
themselves and like the answer is that fulfillment and you know walking the path to become

729
01:06:34,665 --> 01:06:44,965
yourself is hard, really hard work. It's really, it's a, it's an odyssey. It's the odyssey,

730
01:06:45,104 --> 01:06:52,284
right? It's difficult and it's taxing and it's painful and it's, you know, at what,

731
01:06:52,284 --> 01:07:00,304
no matter where you are in civilization, like if you're walking that path coming from nothing or

732
01:07:00,304 --> 01:07:08,584
from a wealthy family or whatever it is, it's hard and it takes courage to like, to answer

733
01:07:08,584 --> 01:07:09,304
the call.

734
01:07:11,084 --> 01:07:24,584
And because everything that the state and fiat does is to stimulate dependency, you

735
01:07:24,584 --> 01:07:30,285
know, it's really, it just makes it, the whole system is set up to make it easy to

736
01:07:30,285 --> 01:07:42,024
like, uh, not reach higher and, um, you know, creating the life that you want to live

737
01:07:42,024 --> 01:07:55,945
is made entirely possible, uh, with capitalism. And, um, I think just because like really what

738
01:07:55,945 --> 01:08:00,465
happened is we lost control. Like I'll say we capitalists lost control of the money.

739
01:08:01,104 --> 01:08:11,165
And that's why we ended up in this situation. Um, but now control is back and it's set up.

740
01:08:11,165 --> 01:08:16,365
Like if the founding fathers had Bitcoin, we would be living in a completely fucking different world

741
01:08:16,365 --> 01:08:26,964
than we are today, you know? And, uh, we can just like, okay, we, we, like with everything you try

742
01:08:26,964 --> 01:08:30,285
and then you make a mistake and then you try again and then you make a mistake and you learn

743
01:08:30,285 --> 01:08:34,924
and it's not failure unless you're learning, even though it's painful, right? It's like, okay,

744
01:08:35,205 --> 01:08:42,424
USA, like the, what I'll say, America, like what it means to be American. Um, we can just try that

745
01:08:42,424 --> 01:08:50,504
again and this time with bitcoin um and so you know like what i want to do is just all all of my

746
01:08:50,504 --> 01:08:58,185
art and all the work i do with bull to just push america as like the dream that like

747
01:08:58,185 --> 01:09:02,544
you know make makes you emotional

748
01:09:02,544 --> 01:09:11,624
and get rid of all this other crap man like nobody should be living in that fucking box

749
01:09:12,424 --> 01:09:21,205
amen and like i mean this is coming from a canadian too so you know you you know it's it's not just one

750
01:09:21,205 --> 01:09:27,504
of us uh brainwashed americans saying it but like man i i fucking love talking to you first of all

751
01:09:27,504 --> 01:09:35,944
because like your passion is evidently like real your art is real as fuck anybody who's seen it and

752
01:09:35,944 --> 01:09:40,705
if you if you're listening to this and you haven't checked out made it's his art like please go do so

753
01:09:40,705 --> 01:09:42,504
because it will make you feel something.

754
01:09:43,845 --> 01:09:46,924
Like this is what the world needs more of.

755
01:09:46,984 --> 01:09:49,345
Like it needs more of that, like that fire

756
01:09:49,345 --> 01:09:54,385
and that absolute 100% refusal to compromise.

757
01:09:55,124 --> 01:09:57,205
Because I feel like that's what fiat forces a lot.

758
01:09:57,325 --> 01:09:59,004
It forces compromise, right?

759
01:09:59,065 --> 01:10:01,565
Well, I'll just, I have to do this

760
01:10:01,565 --> 01:10:03,225
because this is just the way things are done.

761
01:10:03,225 --> 01:10:05,745
Or I have to do that because, well, if I don't,

762
01:10:05,785 --> 01:10:06,404
I'll get in trouble.

763
01:10:06,524 --> 01:10:07,805
And it's like all of these things

764
01:10:07,805 --> 01:10:09,725
that just go against our nature

765
01:10:09,725 --> 01:10:12,705
as free beings.

766
01:10:14,165 --> 01:10:16,484
And my hope is that Bitcoin brings some of that back.

767
01:10:16,544 --> 01:10:19,484
And I think you're right about this American idea, right?

768
01:10:19,584 --> 01:10:23,205
This or idea or ideal, whichever way you want to slice it.

769
01:10:23,365 --> 01:10:26,245
Like it is something that's really powerful

770
01:10:26,245 --> 01:10:28,444
and it was infectious, right?

771
01:10:28,504 --> 01:10:32,024
It was really like once it caught hold of people,

772
01:10:32,024 --> 01:10:33,725
they couldn't help it.

773
01:10:34,185 --> 01:10:36,645
Like this freedom is like the,

774
01:10:36,645 --> 01:10:40,265
well, I should say America was an incredible meme.

775
01:10:40,785 --> 01:10:42,464
It was a strong meme.

776
01:10:44,265 --> 01:10:49,404
Bitcoin is arguably a stronger meme in many ways

777
01:10:49,404 --> 01:10:51,904
because it's global in real time.

778
01:10:52,565 --> 01:10:56,065
The meme of America was not global in real time.

779
01:10:56,065 --> 01:10:58,165
It eventually was.

780
01:10:58,245 --> 01:11:01,325
It eventually became so, but it took some time to propagate.

781
01:11:01,484 --> 01:11:03,225
We didn't have the information channels that we did.

782
01:11:03,285 --> 01:11:03,885
Now we do.

783
01:11:03,885 --> 01:11:10,285
and it's like bitcoin is everywhere all at once that's super fucking powerful yeah and it's like

784
01:11:10,285 --> 01:11:16,225
we have this like i i you know there's always that question like oh you know uh was i i feel

785
01:11:16,225 --> 01:11:20,524
like i was born in the wrong the wrong generation or the right like i don't feel like that at all

786
01:11:20,524 --> 01:11:28,084
i feel like my god how lucky i am to be alive right now to have to at this brief window this

787
01:11:28,084 --> 01:11:39,805
super brief window where we get to like be part of bitcoin becoming itself like how lucky are we

788
01:11:39,805 --> 01:11:45,665
yeah like well and like when you say like the meme that the meme of bitcoin it's like um

789
01:11:45,665 --> 01:11:53,124
you know like the united states has done a lot of really fucking insane shit uh in the name of like

790
01:11:53,124 --> 01:11:59,504
bringing freedom and democracy right but um like we know that democracy is a scam but like the

791
01:11:59,504 --> 01:12:04,464
like what um uh america like

792
01:12:04,464 --> 01:12:15,004
was pushing out into the world um as as like this capitalist based way of life

793
01:12:15,004 --> 01:12:20,225
that creates civilization and allows civilization to thrive at the highest degree

794
01:12:20,225 --> 01:12:26,805
that's what bitcoin's achieving right now uh internationally and even just the idea like what

795
01:12:26,805 --> 01:12:35,504
the original american idea and the way i see it is that um doesn't matter who you are where you're

796
01:12:35,504 --> 01:12:45,285
from what what and like nothing about uh your class will say matters what matters is your

797
01:12:45,285 --> 01:12:56,105
dedication to your craft. And that's what we celebrate here. And now that that that's been

798
01:12:56,105 --> 01:13:01,645
like, it's the actual unleashing of it on the whole world, which is that is what I think Bitcoin

799
01:13:01,645 --> 01:13:09,745
is, that is the culture that is developing around Bitcoin is that same idea that doesn't matter who

800
01:13:09,745 --> 01:13:14,685
you are, where you're from, anything about you, what matters is the quality of your character,

801
01:13:14,685 --> 01:13:16,805
and your dedication to your craft

802
01:13:16,805 --> 01:13:19,524
and your contribution of value to the world.

803
01:13:21,805 --> 01:13:24,544
And so now we look at the earth

804
01:13:24,544 --> 01:13:26,084
and everywhere there's electricity,

805
01:13:27,285 --> 01:13:32,004
we have the ability to transact with Bitcoin

806
01:13:32,004 --> 01:13:33,325
and we have mining happening

807
01:13:33,325 --> 01:13:37,885
and we have, because, huge surprise,

808
01:13:38,484 --> 01:13:40,944
people want and wish to be free.

809
01:13:40,944 --> 01:13:52,484
and you know the power in that obviously is like inconceivable um and you know it's taking time and

810
01:13:52,484 --> 01:14:00,765
it's going slowly and like again like people who produce create nothing getting involved

811
01:14:00,765 --> 01:14:07,565
doesn't fucking uh change anything right it's the people who actually fucking shape the world

812
01:14:07,565 --> 01:14:10,605
and do the building and the entrepreneur that matters.

813
01:14:10,904 --> 01:14:13,725
Like the Bitcoins need to go to the entrepreneurs

814
01:14:13,725 --> 01:14:18,225
and the Bitcoins need to go to the financiers

815
01:14:18,225 --> 01:14:20,044
that are willing to finance entrepreneurs.

816
01:14:20,665 --> 01:14:26,364
The Bitcoins should not be going to fucking giant Ponzi's,

817
01:14:26,665 --> 01:14:30,885
giant schemes, giant derivatives, instruments,

818
01:14:31,305 --> 01:14:33,385
you know, all that fintech jargon.

819
01:14:33,624 --> 01:14:34,944
Like that doesn't achieve anything.

820
01:14:34,944 --> 01:14:46,785
What achieves something is that the people who make life better are funded and funded to the degree that they've earned and deserve.

821
01:14:49,444 --> 01:14:55,185
I think part of that too is like that is what is happening and will happen naturally.

822
01:14:55,544 --> 01:14:59,964
And a lot of the financialization, let's say, of Bitcoin was inevitable.

823
01:14:59,964 --> 01:15:04,565
Like on the one side, like this was inevitable that the suits would come.

824
01:15:04,944 --> 01:15:09,885
It was inevitable that the governments would come because that is a symptom of Bitcoin being successful.

825
01:15:10,464 --> 01:15:12,105
Of course, everybody wants it.

826
01:15:12,105 --> 01:15:16,105
It's the best fucking, it's the only real money that has ever existed.

827
01:15:16,825 --> 01:15:18,765
It is the best fucking money, however you want to say it.

828
01:15:19,425 --> 01:15:21,524
Like Bitcoin is the paradigm shift.

829
01:15:21,984 --> 01:15:30,524
If it was a loser, if it was Ethereum, if it was whatever other shit coin, then no, people wouldn't be flocking to accumulate as much as they can of it.

830
01:15:30,805 --> 01:15:31,065
Right?

831
01:15:31,605 --> 01:15:32,944
But Bitcoin is winning.

832
01:15:32,944 --> 01:15:46,345
And so, of course, necessarily everyone from the individual to the family to the community to the retirement fund to the corporation to the nation state, they are all going to want to acquire Bitcoin.

833
01:15:47,464 --> 01:15:58,105
Now, at that same time, like those institutions which are not productive, like and the government is, for example, is not a productive institution.

834
01:15:58,105 --> 01:15:59,004
It cannot be.

835
01:15:59,145 --> 01:16:02,524
It only has what it has because it exerts force.

836
01:16:02,944 --> 01:16:05,944
And we can argue about, well, what is the true purpose of government?

837
01:16:05,944 --> 01:16:13,285
I take the view of Bastia, which is that the purpose of the state is to enforce the law.

838
01:16:13,364 --> 01:16:16,665
The purpose of the law is to organize for the collective defense of private property.

839
01:16:17,165 --> 01:16:21,145
That's the only purpose it serves, is to protect private property.

840
01:16:21,964 --> 01:16:24,205
And we know that our governments have become plunderers.

841
01:16:24,404 --> 01:16:25,364
They've become vampires.

842
01:16:25,484 --> 01:16:29,765
They've become parasites that steal the private property of their citizens under the threat of violence.

843
01:16:29,765 --> 01:16:35,504
and then now they're realizing well we can we can use that to acquire more bitcoin and by the way we

844
01:16:35,504 --> 01:16:41,185
print money out of thin air wow what a what a what a game this is you know but but i think in the long

845
01:16:41,185 --> 01:16:50,825
in the long arc of history the value still accrues to the people who create value like it it it must

846
01:16:50,825 --> 01:16:57,925
unless and i like i think that you know in the fiat system that's not the case but now we don't

847
01:16:57,925 --> 01:17:03,805
just have the fiat system we have bitcoin as well if we didn't have bitcoin we would honestly but

848
01:17:03,805 --> 01:17:09,565
we'd probably both be very nihilistic but we have bitcoin so like we have some hope well it's a

849
01:17:09,565 --> 01:17:15,185
peaceful option right like if we didn't have bitcoin i'm pretty sure every single bitcoiner

850
01:17:15,185 --> 01:17:23,145
would be in some sort of spinoff of like ira right like we'd be strapping up because there

851
01:17:23,145 --> 01:17:24,425
There would be actually no choice.

852
01:17:24,845 --> 01:17:28,425
There would be no escape from the fiat system other than violence.

853
01:17:28,725 --> 01:17:31,425
And like Bitcoin is the only peaceful way out.

854
01:17:34,345 --> 01:17:49,444
And like the major change with all these institutions and all these like fiat constructed people and companies and governments and all this crap.

855
01:17:53,145 --> 01:17:58,484
is they can make the shift and they can start running Bitcoin.

856
01:18:00,044 --> 01:18:02,845
And they'll have to at some point.

857
01:18:04,225 --> 01:18:08,065
And there's going to be a lot of really horrible communists

858
01:18:08,065 --> 01:18:09,665
that have a lot of fucking Bitcoin.

859
01:18:12,065 --> 01:18:14,225
And a lot of fiaters that have a lot of Bitcoin.

860
01:18:14,225 --> 01:18:17,624
But the fundamental change is that now,

861
01:18:17,624 --> 01:18:26,145
when running Bitcoin, there are consequences to mistakes.

862
01:18:28,124 --> 01:18:31,024
And so that's obviously the major benefit of fiat

863
01:18:31,024 --> 01:18:34,084
is that there's no consequences to anything.

864
01:18:35,364 --> 01:18:37,624
And if you're in that top class,

865
01:18:38,385 --> 01:18:45,325
there's no consequence to misallocation of funds in government.

866
01:18:45,325 --> 01:18:55,225
There's no consequence to misallocation of funds in private companies that are big enough that they are, you know, essentially owned by the state.

867
01:18:59,024 --> 01:19:03,404
So, yeah, a lot of these institutions are going to end up with a lot of Bitcoins.

868
01:19:03,404 --> 01:19:11,984
But the thing is, is that the unfair preservation of that wealth will no longer exist.

869
01:19:13,345 --> 01:19:18,904
Because somebody somewhere in one of those places is going to make a fucking mistake.

870
01:19:19,605 --> 01:19:21,745
And they're going to lose the money.

871
01:19:22,565 --> 01:19:26,285
And there's going to be no government to print them out of the mistake.

872
01:19:27,565 --> 01:19:30,785
And that is the most fucking exciting thing.

873
01:19:30,785 --> 01:19:33,885
and why I don't stress at all

874
01:19:33,885 --> 01:19:35,565
if governments are buying Bitcoin.

875
01:19:35,864 --> 01:19:36,745
I don't want it.

876
01:19:36,984 --> 01:19:38,404
It would be better if they didn't.

877
01:19:39,084 --> 01:19:40,785
But on a long enough timeline,

878
01:19:41,065 --> 01:19:42,425
somebody somewhere will fuck up

879
01:19:42,425 --> 01:19:45,665
and then that government company individual

880
01:19:45,665 --> 01:19:46,605
will go bankrupt

881
01:19:46,605 --> 01:19:48,904
and they'll have to start over.

882
01:19:49,044 --> 01:19:51,004
Exactly how it's fucking supposed to be.

883
01:19:51,084 --> 01:19:52,285
If you make good decisions,

884
01:19:52,325 --> 01:19:53,605
you're supposed to do better in life.

885
01:19:53,665 --> 01:19:55,105
And if you make bad decisions,

886
01:19:55,105 --> 01:19:55,964
you're supposed to fail.

887
01:19:55,964 --> 01:20:04,944
and um finally uh we're gonna have some fucking consequences and some fucking failures

888
01:20:04,944 --> 01:20:10,785
and um you know even in terms of like like in bitcoin we're talking a lot about generational

889
01:20:10,785 --> 01:20:14,305
wealth and like preserving wealth into the future and all that kind of stuff

890
01:20:14,305 --> 01:20:20,464
the bitcoin is just one part of that fucking equation you also have to

891
01:20:20,464 --> 01:20:35,285
create a family structure that ensures that the heirs will learn and earn the responsibility of

892
01:20:35,285 --> 01:20:43,904
protecting the wealth and i don't like in my bloodline if i don't do a good job of setting up

893
01:20:43,904 --> 01:20:52,084
my sons with a family structure, somebody somewhere is going to fuck up. And then all the wealth that

894
01:20:52,084 --> 01:20:57,205
I've worked so hard to create will be gone. As we've seen, you know, for example, with Vanderbilt

895
01:20:57,205 --> 01:21:01,484
or like many of these old American families that used to be so wealthy,

896
01:21:02,345 --> 01:21:10,845
they just didn't have the structures in place. And with like Rockefeller and these guys who are

897
01:21:10,845 --> 01:21:18,124
all tied in with, you know, like the governments enable, they create monopolies, right? They're

898
01:21:18,124 --> 01:21:23,845
the only reason, like monopolies don't exist in true free markets because eventually somebody

899
01:21:23,845 --> 01:21:28,065
will just take you out because they'll have a better product or better everything. Like it's

900
01:21:28,065 --> 01:21:33,004
just a constant war. And it's really the government that like in the name of preventing monopolies

901
01:21:33,004 --> 01:21:40,605
that creates all of these monopolies. And a lot of these super old money families have had the

902
01:21:40,605 --> 01:21:48,084
benefit of being on the right side of those regulatory protections. And in the future,

903
01:21:48,285 --> 01:21:54,225
something scary for us to think about with our own families is we won't have regulatory protections

904
01:21:54,225 --> 01:22:00,425
to help preserve the wealth into the future. So it's really going to come down to like,

905
01:22:01,084 --> 01:22:06,964
what is the system that you design and put in place to ensure that like,

906
01:22:06,964 --> 01:22:13,984
that your son will be able to handle the responsibility of wealth and will be able to

907
01:22:13,984 --> 01:22:20,065
transfer that responsibility to his son, to the next one, to the next one, to the next one.

908
01:22:20,065 --> 01:22:29,205
So we get into this whole new area of constructive thinking around the way a family is put together,

909
01:22:29,464 --> 01:22:31,205
which I find extremely exciting.

910
01:22:31,205 --> 01:22:39,885
um so that the the long circle back on all of that is that like you know there will be

911
01:22:39,885 --> 01:22:44,205
consequences in the future because if you fuck up with bitcoin there's nobody to bail you out

912
01:22:44,205 --> 01:22:50,205
and that will make the world a better place in in every way it'll make families stronger

913
01:22:50,205 --> 01:22:56,245
it'll make businesses stronger it'll make governments what what hopefully uh smaller

914
01:22:56,245 --> 01:22:59,285
and also the stronger, right?

915
01:23:00,004 --> 01:23:02,565
And hopefully put them in a position

916
01:23:02,565 --> 01:23:04,765
where they actually operate like a private enterprise

917
01:23:04,765 --> 01:23:07,464
and they understand that their product

918
01:23:07,464 --> 01:23:10,024
is providing a safe environment

919
01:23:10,024 --> 01:23:11,065
and as you said,

920
01:23:11,105 --> 01:23:13,285
the protection of private property for their citizens.

921
01:23:14,225 --> 01:23:16,044
And we're gonna see,

922
01:23:16,285 --> 01:23:18,225
I think the whole world's gonna explode

923
01:23:18,225 --> 01:23:20,524
into lots of really small micro countries.

924
01:23:21,944 --> 01:23:24,305
And it'll kind of be back to that board

925
01:23:24,305 --> 01:23:25,925
of like alliances and deals

926
01:23:25,925 --> 01:23:31,444
and this, that, and the other, but it'll all be just like the violence.

927
01:23:32,885 --> 01:23:40,705
Bitcoin extracts the violence of cooperate, like the violence from and forces cooperation.

928
01:23:40,705 --> 01:23:42,065
I should say that better.

929
01:23:42,364 --> 01:23:51,464
Like Bitcoin encourages cooperation and extracts the violence from any situation of negotiating,

930
01:23:51,464 --> 01:24:02,504
Which is really fucking exciting because it's really hard to build when there's like buildings exploding and fucking stuff being destroyed.

931
01:24:02,745 --> 01:24:08,665
Like we want to avoid destruction at all costs and focus on creating.

932
01:24:10,864 --> 01:24:11,765
Hear, hear.

933
01:24:12,105 --> 01:24:17,464
And we also all need to – Bitcoiners need to basically preserve generational wealth like the Rothschilds.

934
01:24:17,464 --> 01:24:23,685
you know like that like that's an the talk about old money feel like fuck they did it well like

935
01:24:23,685 --> 01:24:27,864
let me put you know one of my sons in each of these countries to run one of their banks and

936
01:24:27,864 --> 01:24:33,245
that way no matter who wins the war at least we don't we still got a we don't we banked both sides

937
01:24:33,245 --> 01:24:37,785
so it's all good and like you know but except bitcoiners are like not going to be bankrolling

938
01:24:37,785 --> 01:24:42,745
the wars it's like so it's a slightly different paradigm but like boy you know rothschilds they

939
01:24:42,745 --> 01:24:48,745
sure they knocked it out of the park on that one like still just insane like the wealthy to the

940
01:24:48,745 --> 01:24:53,205
point where you most people don't know who they are you know like yeah which is kind of what

941
01:24:53,205 --> 01:24:57,105
bitcoiners want if we're being honest without all the other fucked up shit yeah that's true i mean

942
01:24:57,105 --> 01:25:03,484
like they they would they i mean they succeeded because of violence right now that was yes

943
01:25:03,484 --> 01:25:09,864
undoubtedly and so the future for future for us bitcoiners what we have to think about is like okay

944
01:25:09,864 --> 01:25:18,944
How do we build the same kind of wealth protections and security and – with violence no longer being a tool?

945
01:25:21,105 --> 01:25:22,944
That's hard to conceptualize, right?

946
01:25:22,944 --> 01:25:23,845
It's really exciting. Really hard.

947
01:25:23,885 --> 01:25:29,964
But it's hard too. Like it's hard because like we've been trained in this fiat system.

948
01:25:30,885 --> 01:25:36,225
We've like – we have been trained and ingrained like this is what we – like it's the air we breathe.

949
01:25:36,305 --> 01:25:37,504
It's the water we swim in.

950
01:25:37,944 --> 01:25:39,464
This is just what it is.

951
01:25:39,464 --> 01:25:43,345
And to be able to take a step back and say, but it doesn't have to be this way.

952
01:25:44,004 --> 01:25:52,605
It doesn't have to be that we just keep printing money to finance wars in deserts halfway around the world that none of us give a shit about.

953
01:25:53,105 --> 01:25:57,964
And then creating more enemies out of those wars because, you know, we bombed the shit out of their whole family.

954
01:25:57,964 --> 01:26:00,984
And now they're going to be strapping a bomb to their chest later in life and coming back.

955
01:26:00,984 --> 01:26:05,065
Like we can stop that because that's not productive.

956
01:26:05,645 --> 01:26:08,825
That's ultimately only possible because of parasitism.

957
01:26:09,464 --> 01:26:10,864
That's the only reason it's possible.

958
01:26:11,565 --> 01:26:11,745
Yeah.

959
01:26:11,805 --> 01:26:12,484
And like we,

960
01:26:12,645 --> 01:26:14,484
it's just crazy because like,

961
01:26:14,785 --> 01:26:15,245
I also,

962
01:26:15,345 --> 01:26:15,524
I'm,

963
01:26:15,605 --> 01:26:16,325
I'm of the opinion,

964
01:26:16,425 --> 01:26:16,685
like,

965
01:26:17,584 --> 01:26:18,504
boy,

966
01:26:18,665 --> 01:26:20,245
we just need to like,

967
01:26:20,285 --> 01:26:21,504
give it another decade.

968
01:26:22,004 --> 01:26:25,785
And a lot of these problems start to fix themselves because a lot of the

969
01:26:25,785 --> 01:26:30,225
people that are in power now have peacefully passed on to the next life.

970
01:26:30,665 --> 01:26:31,484
And like,

971
01:26:31,785 --> 01:26:37,705
there are just so many old fucking evil people in the world right now who run

972
01:26:37,705 --> 01:26:38,544
most of the shit.

973
01:26:38,544 --> 01:26:42,745
and I wish them long and happy lives.

974
01:26:43,385 --> 01:26:45,785
But when they eventually make their, you know,

975
01:26:45,845 --> 01:26:48,364
pass on to the other side, when they cross the river Styx,

976
01:26:48,825 --> 01:26:51,084
I will not shed a tear.

977
01:26:51,584 --> 01:26:55,944
And I think that that's when we see a lot of actual change.

978
01:26:56,404 --> 01:26:58,765
Because I think us younger generations, we're fucking sick of it.

979
01:26:59,285 --> 01:26:59,805
We're fucking sick of it.

980
01:26:59,805 --> 01:27:00,464
Yeah, super sick of it.

981
01:27:00,605 --> 01:27:01,385
Super sick of it.

982
01:27:01,464 --> 01:27:03,584
And like, you know, the game has changed, right?

983
01:27:03,685 --> 01:27:07,364
Like really like what Rothschilds

984
01:27:07,364 --> 01:27:10,885
and all these other big families did is they just like rinsed and repeated

985
01:27:10,885 --> 01:27:14,325
strategies from the past because without, you know,

986
01:27:14,364 --> 01:27:17,404
the name of the game has always been to kind of get control over the money.

987
01:27:17,404 --> 01:27:20,805
And that's what we saw in the collapse of Rome, obviously the best example.

988
01:27:22,984 --> 01:27:27,305
And, but now, now like it's a new game.

989
01:27:27,605 --> 01:27:29,645
It's fully, it's fully new.

990
01:27:29,825 --> 01:27:35,084
All the strategies to win are completely different.

991
01:27:35,084 --> 01:27:42,624
and um so it's we don't know what it'll look like it'll be a completely fucking different world but

992
01:27:42,624 --> 01:27:48,004
none of like the power structures are going to operate in the same way that they have been

993
01:27:48,004 --> 01:27:55,925
um and i think that and as i said earlier like and most of us who have been here long enough

994
01:27:55,925 --> 01:28:02,605
understand like now the most powerful piece on the board is creativity

995
01:28:02,605 --> 01:28:15,825
it used to be violence and now it it's ideas um and that just unlocks like the total the full

996
01:28:15,825 --> 01:28:24,925
potential i think of all of mankind let me ask you uh this is something i i uh wanted to get

997
01:28:24,925 --> 01:28:29,044
into with you and i think this is a good time to do it just speaking of the this creativity piece

998
01:28:29,044 --> 01:28:36,044
you are an incredibly talented artist you have not uh you have not sold your soul to

999
01:28:36,044 --> 01:28:42,205
show nfts or anything you make physical real art uh you're a fucking badass dude if i do say so

1000
01:28:42,205 --> 01:28:48,084
myself and you also thank you you're welcome i mean thank you for what you do man because i think

1001
01:28:48,084 --> 01:28:53,925
like we need more people doing this right we need more people who are uncompromising in what they do

1002
01:28:53,925 --> 01:28:55,245
and who make real things.

1003
01:28:56,205 --> 01:29:01,385
I'm really curious where you see AI play in this.

1004
01:29:01,524 --> 01:29:03,385
Like, is this something that you mess around with

1005
01:29:03,385 --> 01:29:03,864
in what you do?

1006
01:29:03,885 --> 01:29:05,065
Because you obviously create a lot of,

1007
01:29:05,145 --> 01:29:06,565
like, different types of art, right?

1008
01:29:06,565 --> 01:29:08,305
You create a lot of different composite works

1009
01:29:08,305 --> 01:29:09,225
and all these different things.

1010
01:29:09,285 --> 01:29:10,925
Like, you leverage a lot of different mediums,

1011
01:29:11,805 --> 01:29:14,765
you know, everything from massive, you know,

1012
01:29:15,305 --> 01:29:17,484
massive painted pieces to, you know,

1013
01:29:17,544 --> 01:29:19,685
beautiful pieces of jewelry and everything in between.

1014
01:29:20,685 --> 01:29:22,245
Is this something that you leverage at all?

1015
01:29:22,245 --> 01:29:26,964
is this something that you also worry about at all in terms of sapping the

1016
01:29:26,964 --> 01:29:28,845
creativity out of a generation?

1017
01:29:29,325 --> 01:29:31,145
Because I think like AI is it's,

1018
01:29:31,145 --> 01:29:32,185
it's a tool like anything,

1019
01:29:32,245 --> 01:29:32,425
right?

1020
01:29:32,425 --> 01:29:33,004
It's like a gun.

1021
01:29:33,245 --> 01:29:35,504
You can use it for good things.

1022
01:29:35,504 --> 01:29:36,245
You can use it to,

1023
01:29:36,285 --> 01:29:38,145
to procure food for your family,

1024
01:29:38,145 --> 01:29:40,584
or you can use it for not good things.

1025
01:29:40,685 --> 01:29:42,845
Like how do you see,

1026
01:29:42,984 --> 01:29:45,004
how do you look at AI as an artist,

1027
01:29:45,004 --> 01:29:45,605
as a maker,

1028
01:29:45,605 --> 01:29:47,165
as a real creator?

1029
01:29:47,464 --> 01:29:47,785
How did,

1030
01:29:47,864 --> 01:29:48,725
how do you look at it?

1031
01:29:52,245 --> 01:30:03,584
Well, I think it's great, and the reason is because it raises the standards for everything.

1032
01:30:04,964 --> 01:30:14,285
And it also is a marker for what's important.

1033
01:30:14,285 --> 01:30:21,864
because the amount of resources required to create something that

1034
01:30:21,864 --> 01:30:26,725
is not AI is so much greater.

1035
01:30:28,864 --> 01:30:32,645
It means that whoever is pushing that into the world

1036
01:30:32,645 --> 01:30:34,484
has to care about it that much more.

1037
01:30:34,484 --> 01:30:36,385
um

1038
01:30:36,385 --> 01:30:39,145
like

1039
01:30:39,145 --> 01:30:41,624
how the AI works

1040
01:30:41,624 --> 01:30:42,265
is

1041
01:30:42,265 --> 01:30:45,624
you can

1042
01:30:45,624 --> 01:30:46,124
have

1043
01:30:46,124 --> 01:30:49,285
the most sophisticated

1044
01:30:49,285 --> 01:30:51,504
manufacturing

1045
01:30:51,504 --> 01:30:53,765
possibility

1046
01:30:53,765 --> 01:30:57,484
in the like

1047
01:30:57,484 --> 01:30:59,444
conceivable you can have the most

1048
01:30:59,444 --> 01:31:01,825
you can have the ability

1049
01:31:01,825 --> 01:31:03,765
to make fucking anything

1050
01:31:03,765 --> 01:31:04,805
you can build that

1051
01:31:04,805 --> 01:31:06,565
we've got the tools

1052
01:31:06,565 --> 01:31:09,565
making the tools, tools are getting better and better

1053
01:31:09,565 --> 01:31:15,325
the hard part is

1054
01:31:15,325 --> 01:31:19,805
what do we make?

1055
01:31:20,325 --> 01:31:21,624
what do I make?

1056
01:31:23,765 --> 01:31:25,845
like if I, like what I'm working on

1057
01:31:25,845 --> 01:31:27,725
at Madex is I want the

1058
01:31:27,725 --> 01:31:28,645
fucking, like

1059
01:31:28,645 --> 01:31:31,624
when you start your shit and then

1060
01:31:31,624 --> 01:31:33,685
you get a little bit better and you get a little bit

1061
01:31:33,685 --> 01:31:38,105
better and you get a little bit better and like the better you get the more you're able to bring

1062
01:31:38,105 --> 01:31:45,145
capital capital into your environment and the capital allows you to improve your tools that

1063
01:31:45,145 --> 01:31:50,205
you have access to and also improve your own skills and it allows you to grow so you kind of

1064
01:31:50,205 --> 01:31:56,385
have to like the way i see it like the most the most sophisticated laser engravers in the world

1065
01:31:56,385 --> 01:31:59,665
costs like 50,000 US dollars.

1066
01:32:01,325 --> 01:32:03,265
And you got to like,

1067
01:32:04,225 --> 01:32:07,524
your ideas is what earns you the right

1068
01:32:07,524 --> 01:32:08,605
to use that machine

1069
01:32:08,605 --> 01:32:11,044
to be able to create with it.

1070
01:32:13,845 --> 01:32:17,584
So the AI is like,

1071
01:32:17,904 --> 01:32:20,325
all the inputs have to come from somewhere

1072
01:32:20,325 --> 01:32:23,305
and it's only as useful

1073
01:32:23,305 --> 01:32:25,984
as like the mind that's driving it.

1074
01:32:26,385 --> 01:32:43,205
Right. Like. It's just it's no different than like a pen sitting there or a hammer and chisel sitting there or a rifle or, you know, any any other tool.

1075
01:32:43,785 --> 01:32:47,345
It's like what what matters behind it is the idea.

1076
01:32:47,345 --> 01:32:59,065
and so what i see ai doing is it's just gonna make original content that much more valuable

1077
01:32:59,065 --> 01:33:05,605
and it's gonna force uh every because we're gonna be in this like creative period where i think like

1078
01:33:05,605 --> 01:33:15,325
probably i would guess for the next 10 years you know like like creation in the first place like

1079
01:33:15,325 --> 01:33:22,665
what I do is I have inputs from everywhere, from my day-to-day interactions, from the people in my

1080
01:33:22,665 --> 01:33:28,105
life, from the information I consume, from the books I read, from the movies I watch, from the

1081
01:33:28,105 --> 01:33:33,484
places I go, from the conversations I have. And I just take all of those inputs and then I like

1082
01:33:33,484 --> 01:33:39,504
mix them up and then put something else out. So we're all just kind of taking in, I think,

1083
01:33:39,584 --> 01:33:43,765
the process of creating is you're just taking in information and then you're reworking it and then

1084
01:33:43,765 --> 01:33:49,145
putting it out and then you're just iterating on that and like right now that's exactly what ai is

1085
01:33:49,145 --> 01:33:53,984
doing it's just taking all of the resources available on the internet and then it's just

1086
01:33:53,984 --> 01:33:58,825
based off of your prompts it's putting them together to try and like give you what what you

1087
01:33:58,825 --> 01:34:04,665
want um which can save a lot of time and which can help manifest a lot of ideas so i think we're

1088
01:34:04,665 --> 01:34:11,285
going to see like a huge amount of just really cool stuff done and but it'll all just kind of be

1089
01:34:11,285 --> 01:34:17,984
reworking what has existed for a long time and like what's available on the internet. And that

1090
01:34:17,984 --> 01:34:28,044
like eventually, eventually everything that we see coming out of AI will be like old in a way,

1091
01:34:28,044 --> 01:34:33,665
right? So it's going to require somebody making something and actually feeding that data into the

1092
01:34:33,665 --> 01:34:38,364
AI, which by the way, I glossed over it for the sake of explaining the point is going to happen

1093
01:34:38,364 --> 01:34:42,364
And all the way along the road, people are going to come up with new stuff and be feeding it constantly.

1094
01:34:42,524 --> 01:34:44,345
So it'll be constantly able to create.

1095
01:34:45,185 --> 01:34:51,024
But it's like the point being is that it requires the input inputs and it requires the ideas of what to make.

1096
01:34:52,245 --> 01:35:10,997
And that up to us And so I think it just make whoever has the best ideas just do that much better which is what we need we need a con we need the ideal situation is a competition of ideas of what

1097
01:35:10,997 --> 01:35:16,737
makes the world a better place and then we vote with our money on which ideas are the best and

1098
01:35:16,737 --> 01:35:22,657
the ideas that are good survive and the ideas that don't don't survive and we just continue to grow

1099
01:35:22,657 --> 01:35:26,317
So I think it's really exciting.

1100
01:35:27,037 --> 01:35:33,317
And I see it, as I said, it's just a tool.

1101
01:35:33,497 --> 01:35:36,477
What matters is the driver in the same way as money is just a tool.

1102
01:35:36,837 --> 01:35:38,517
Like you can have 100 million bucks.

1103
01:35:38,557 --> 01:35:39,277
What do you do with it?

1104
01:35:39,497 --> 01:35:45,097
You can have a huge amount of processing power in AI.

1105
01:35:45,417 --> 01:35:47,997
Okay, so how are you using it?

1106
01:35:48,057 --> 01:35:49,297
What are you doing with it?

1107
01:35:49,297 --> 01:35:54,977
But AI doesn't turn a retard into a genius, put a different way.

1108
01:35:57,437 --> 01:35:59,437
It's like retard in, retard out.

1109
01:35:59,697 --> 01:36:00,597
That's what you're going to get.

1110
01:36:01,537 --> 01:36:05,417
Amplified, much more verbose retard perhaps, but retard nonetheless.

1111
01:36:06,797 --> 01:36:12,257
And all that retardation is going to broadcast and there's going to be an insane amount of retarded shit.

1112
01:36:12,257 --> 01:36:14,397
We're already seeing how much retarded shit there is.

1113
01:36:14,397 --> 01:36:21,317
which makes when you discover something sick that much more fucking valuable and that much

1114
01:36:21,317 --> 01:36:25,857
fucking cooler so i think it's fucking really good for anyone who's doing like

1115
01:36:25,857 --> 01:36:34,117
real work who's doing really serious work because garbage garbage garbage garbage garbage garbage

1116
01:36:34,117 --> 01:36:43,637
holy fuck like it it just it's so clear that it's something that uh and it's a signal that

1117
01:36:43,637 --> 01:36:45,017
It's something somebody cares about.

1118
01:36:46,097 --> 01:36:50,197
Cares about enough to – like that was way back when I started doing the Bitcoin art.

1119
01:36:50,197 --> 01:37:13,557
I thought it was a great broadcast signal because when the normie person sees the dedication to the artwork and it's all honoring this Bitcoin thing, that that would be like a bridge for them to take it more seriously and be like – and reveal that like really the killer app of Bitcoin.

1120
01:37:13,637 --> 01:37:16,137
is that like I would give my life for its success.

1121
01:37:18,137 --> 01:37:19,177
Like full stop.

1122
01:37:21,577 --> 01:37:25,277
And being able to like communicate that to someone who's like,

1123
01:37:25,817 --> 01:37:26,497
oh, what is it?

1124
01:37:26,537 --> 01:37:28,457
You know, like in the mess of everything in the world

1125
01:37:28,457 --> 01:37:30,297
and then being like, wait a minute,

1126
01:37:30,377 --> 01:37:32,317
like all these people are ready to die for this thing.

1127
01:37:33,357 --> 01:37:34,957
It must be serious.

1128
01:37:37,737 --> 01:37:40,357
And yet so many are still asleep.

1129
01:37:41,297 --> 01:37:42,977
They're waking up slowly though.

1130
01:37:42,977 --> 01:37:48,037
they're yeah well you know netflix is like a ten dollar a month subscription so

1131
01:37:48,037 --> 01:37:56,077
fuck man you know i i want to uh i want to be conscious of your time here because i didn't

1132
01:37:56,077 --> 01:38:00,797
even notice we've been ripping for like 95 minutes already which like time flies when you're having

1133
01:38:00,797 --> 01:38:09,017
fun um i i did want to ask you just like a little bit about just the the your take on kind of like

1134
01:38:09,017 --> 01:38:15,777
fiat art like that this like i think it's pretty clear for anybody who has gone down the bitcoin

1135
01:38:15,777 --> 01:38:21,677
rabbit hole maybe some tangential rabbit holes that like yeah the reason that like like there's

1136
01:38:21,677 --> 01:38:26,477
a shitload of money laundering like actual money laundering in the art market in the fiat art

1137
01:38:26,477 --> 01:38:31,017
market not like uh the money laundering elizabeth warren accuses you know shadowy super coders of

1138
01:38:31,017 --> 01:38:35,537
but like actual money laundering by like a, a cartel of operators,

1139
01:38:35,537 --> 01:38:39,637
essentially like, how, how, how do you look at that?

1140
01:38:39,657 --> 01:38:40,877
Is that something that just like,

1141
01:38:41,617 --> 01:38:44,217
you just kind of ignore at this point or is that something that like,

1142
01:38:44,217 --> 01:38:46,897
does that have an impact on, on your work?

1143
01:38:46,897 --> 01:38:49,697
If like you've also, you like,

1144
01:38:49,737 --> 01:38:52,697
you have to resist that siren song of like, yeah, well, okay.

1145
01:38:52,797 --> 01:38:54,037
My painting, you know,

1146
01:38:54,457 --> 01:38:57,637
this guy wants to value my painting at this much for like this reason and

1147
01:38:57,637 --> 01:38:59,417
then resell to it. Like, I don't know.

1148
01:38:59,417 --> 01:39:03,997
It just seems like it's all such a like a – the fiat art market is kind of a gross business.

1149
01:39:04,097 --> 01:39:04,937
Is that fair to say?

1150
01:39:07,577 --> 01:39:08,057
Yeah.

1151
01:39:09,797 --> 01:39:10,277
Yeah.

1152
01:39:10,277 --> 01:39:17,977
I mean it's just – it's evolved to serve fiat, right?

1153
01:39:18,257 --> 01:39:22,677
It's this gray area where who are you to say what this is worth?

1154
01:39:26,137 --> 01:39:29,237
And I don't really think – I don't think about it too much.

1155
01:39:29,237 --> 01:39:43,537
Like I really want to get into – you can kind of think about like the whole market as like in the core, there's all that – like in the center, there's all this like really aggressive criminal activity happening.

1156
01:39:43,537 --> 01:39:45,717
and

1157
01:39:45,717 --> 01:39:48,817
when I say criminal activity

1158
01:39:48,817 --> 01:39:50,897
I mean like criminal in the eyes

1159
01:39:50,897 --> 01:39:51,517
of the government

1160
01:39:51,517 --> 01:39:52,877
because

1161
01:39:52,877 --> 01:39:54,897
right like

1162
01:39:54,897 --> 01:39:58,797
it's not

1163
01:39:58,797 --> 01:40:00,757
really criminal activity in a way

1164
01:40:00,757 --> 01:40:02,177
like I think like being

1165
01:40:02,177 --> 01:40:04,797
striving for tax efficiency I don't

1166
01:40:04,797 --> 01:40:06,897
believe that that's criminal activity I think that's

1167
01:40:06,897 --> 01:40:08,797
just trying to not be robbed

1168
01:40:08,797 --> 01:40:11,057
not get fucked repeatedly

1169
01:40:11,057 --> 01:40:12,557
every single year by the state

1170
01:40:12,557 --> 01:40:32,477
Yeah, so it's a difficult thing to like – but then on the edges, there is like – there's the reality of it, which is that like this painting I have here, this is one of one.

1171
01:40:33,517 --> 01:40:36,777
There will never be another one that ever exists.

1172
01:40:36,777 --> 01:40:45,657
and I think just as humans we like to have things that are rare obviously like our entire lives are

1173
01:40:45,657 --> 01:40:56,237
like a push for scarcity and in the face of fiat money the one of ones become kind of even that

1174
01:40:56,237 --> 01:41:01,497
like the everything we understand about bitcoin scarcity applies to art like there will be a

1175
01:41:01,497 --> 01:41:09,057
supply cap on Madex. Like, I will die. And, you know, the artworks that I've facilitated the

1176
01:41:09,057 --> 01:41:14,977
production of will not continue. However, I'm trying to set this up like a fashion house so

1177
01:41:14,977 --> 01:41:20,577
that I can eventually pass, like, my artistic lead role onto somebody else who can then perpetuate

1178
01:41:20,577 --> 01:41:25,977
it into the future. But the particular works from this era, like, each one comes with a block number

1179
01:41:25,977 --> 01:41:31,717
and that's the only one, right? So obviously when money is broken, a lot of things that are not

1180
01:41:31,717 --> 01:41:39,777
money start to become money. And art is one of these kind of great stores of value for a lot of

1181
01:41:39,777 --> 01:41:47,537
reasons in the fiat world. But like, I think the main thing that I realized that was a little bit

1182
01:41:47,537 --> 01:41:52,437
discouraging on my own journey is that I actually thought it was possible to sell like a $50 million

1183
01:41:52,437 --> 01:41:57,997
dollar painting as like an entrepreneur and like you and have a painting that sells for 50 million

1184
01:41:57,997 --> 01:42:03,437
and it'd be like i actually am buying this because i love the art and it's one of one

1185
01:42:03,437 --> 01:42:10,837
um but then i kind of realized it's all it's all like a club and i'm not in it and probably never

1186
01:42:10,837 --> 01:42:15,897
will be in it because the people who are running the club are also you know pulling all the levers

1187
01:42:15,897 --> 01:42:17,697
in the fiat world, right?

1188
01:42:19,957 --> 01:42:24,357
You're not Hunter Biden, you mean, with his incredible art.

1189
01:42:25,037 --> 01:42:25,277
Yeah.

1190
01:42:26,177 --> 01:42:33,077
So, you know, I want to get into the fiat art markets a million percent

1191
01:42:33,077 --> 01:42:37,597
because on that outer ring, it is actually people who are looking

1192
01:42:37,597 --> 01:42:40,717
for really awesome stuff and they want to buy things as a store of value

1193
01:42:40,717 --> 01:42:41,257
and all that.

1194
01:42:41,257 --> 01:42:53,117
And I think I have the goal, which is very difficult to reach, but I have the goal that Madex Art can outperform Bitcoin on a long enough timeline.

1195
01:42:55,857 --> 01:43:02,057
And so right now I'm looking at getting into gallery distribution and trying to find dealers that will represent me.

1196
01:43:02,297 --> 01:43:06,717
What people may not know about the art world is that it works very much like the music business.

1197
01:43:06,717 --> 01:43:12,277
You have like producers and labels and all that kind of stuff, except they're dealers and their galleries.

1198
01:43:13,857 --> 01:43:20,957
And, you know, I want to expand out because I want people – I want it to be the work to be a Trojan horse into Bitcoin.

1199
01:43:21,477 --> 01:43:33,277
I also want to be better financed and I want – you know, I want it to be able to buy lots of Bitcoin in the bear markets.

1200
01:43:34,997 --> 01:43:35,417
Amen.

1201
01:43:35,417 --> 01:43:40,877
So I don't know if I'm really like giving a clear answer talking.

1202
01:43:41,157 --> 01:43:44,497
It's kind of it's a difficult thing to speak about because it's like.

1203
01:43:47,597 --> 01:43:52,777
It all kind of just has this function, which depending on how you look at it is good or bad.

1204
01:43:53,997 --> 01:43:56,697
And depending on who's doing it is good or bad.

1205
01:43:56,697 --> 01:44:07,817
and uh the one thing for sure is that the degradation of quality in art um comes from

1206
01:44:07,817 --> 01:44:13,177
when when when all the art prices started going crazy all the dealers and galleries they basically

1207
01:44:13,177 --> 01:44:20,457
just had a shortage of good art but there was huge demand and so they were just finding people

1208
01:44:20,457 --> 01:44:25,077
who made anything because it was like it didn't the the actual art didn't actually matter because

1209
01:44:25,077 --> 01:44:27,197
it had become sort of a financial instrument.

1210
01:44:27,917 --> 01:44:31,817
And so the name of the game for the galleries and dealers were to just find anybody who

1211
01:44:31,817 --> 01:44:37,617
was good enough at all and prop them up to be able to do all this kind of financial chicory.

1212
01:44:38,597 --> 01:44:42,017
Damn, this is my chance to be a shitty fiat artist.

1213
01:44:42,936 --> 01:44:47,317
I mean, you still probably can, but I think like one of the main requirements is you got

1214
01:44:47,317 --> 01:44:49,477
to go to Epstein Island and things like that.

1215
01:44:49,497 --> 01:44:50,277
That would be my guess.

1216
01:44:50,557 --> 01:44:51,157
I'm out on that.

1217
01:44:51,397 --> 01:44:52,057
I'm out on that.

1218
01:44:52,257 --> 01:44:53,537
I'm definitely out on that.

1219
01:44:53,537 --> 01:45:00,997
And, you know, but but also like art getting shittier everywhere is like a demoralizing thing.

1220
01:45:01,117 --> 01:45:02,617
It helps like the communist agenda.

1221
01:45:03,417 --> 01:45:12,697
And then obviously in with with no time horizon, the incentive is to have things produced as quickly as possible for as cheaply as possible and making something look better.

1222
01:45:12,697 --> 01:45:18,537
Like you could argue doesn't really matter when the money in your fucking account is dissolving.

1223
01:45:18,537 --> 01:45:28,317
um so yeah i think hate beautiful things communism must kill beauty like if beauty exists

1224
01:45:28,317 --> 01:45:34,117
communism will not will not thrive for like communism never succeeds but it may thrive

1225
01:45:34,117 --> 01:45:39,537
thrive for a short time but that's only possible when they destroy beautiful things and create

1226
01:45:39,537 --> 01:45:46,817
brutalist disgusting inhuman aberrations and the and the reason they they want they

1227
01:45:46,817 --> 01:45:51,977
they end up wanting to destroy is because they just stopped trying basically.

1228
01:45:54,317 --> 01:46:00,577
Which I think is the most awful thing that can happen to a person is whatever they're doing,

1229
01:46:00,837 --> 01:46:04,817
you know, and that's what the whole fiat system is set up for is like, it's impossible to get ahead.

1230
01:46:05,017 --> 01:46:10,317
So at some point you just stop trying and then you start to resent all the people who were able to

1231
01:46:10,317 --> 01:46:17,597
move forward. But I believe the environment that will come from Bitcoin will just make it that much

1232
01:46:17,597 --> 01:46:25,537
easier for people to thrive in whatever skill it is that they have. And also, I mean, the obvious

1233
01:46:25,537 --> 01:46:31,257
thing is that market signals will be accurate. So you won't accidentally invest your life savings

1234
01:46:31,257 --> 01:46:36,677
into something that the market doesn't want because you're looking at incorrect data that's

1235
01:46:36,677 --> 01:46:41,897
coming from totally irrational stocks or other totally irrational information.

1236
01:46:42,777 --> 01:46:47,857
So a free market just means that resources are allocated properly.

1237
01:46:50,577 --> 01:46:53,797
And the fiat market distorts all of that allocation.

1238
01:46:54,457 --> 01:46:56,597
And also central planning distorts that.

1239
01:46:56,877 --> 01:46:59,997
And anything collectivist, communist distorts that.

1240
01:46:59,997 --> 01:47:07,677
It means that we end up with way more wood than we need rock, you know, or way more rock than we need wood.

1241
01:47:07,777 --> 01:47:08,997
Like, it's just always wrong.

1242
01:47:11,777 --> 01:47:20,057
So, yeah, I mean, like, I think that I have a lot clearer answers when talking about fiat art in person.

1243
01:47:20,717 --> 01:47:25,797
And lately I've been, you know, I was really bitter about it for a while.

1244
01:47:25,797 --> 01:47:29,757
But now I just kind of see the whole thing as like an attempt to protect wealth.

1245
01:47:29,997 --> 01:47:33,436
and I'm in favor of that.

1246
01:47:34,117 --> 01:47:36,797
I don't think that wealth should be stolen.

1247
01:47:38,797 --> 01:47:42,477
No, honestly, you always surprise me, Maddox.

1248
01:47:43,277 --> 01:47:48,837
That is a very nuanced view for somebody who is in this field.

1249
01:47:49,397 --> 01:47:52,357
I also want to ask, so there was a question on Noster from somebody else

1250
01:47:52,357 --> 01:47:57,297
who I assume is an aspiring artist, Tim Ridley Art.

1251
01:47:57,297 --> 01:48:00,717
if you've got art in the handle, I'm just guessing you're a, you know,

1252
01:48:00,797 --> 01:48:03,497
you're, you're an artist and he, and he wanted to ask you, he said, question,

1253
01:48:03,657 --> 01:48:07,317
do you have any suggestions for artists trying to grow an audience?

1254
01:48:07,317 --> 01:48:11,237
I just started on Noster recently. Awesome, dude. That's me adding a side note,

1255
01:48:11,537 --> 01:48:12,436
but that's great, dude.

1256
01:48:12,857 --> 01:48:17,317
Are there any things you did when you were starting out with sharing work

1257
01:48:17,317 --> 01:48:21,777
online? Sick art, by the way, man, there was a comma man there.

1258
01:48:21,857 --> 01:48:23,317
I read that really weirdly, but yeah.

1259
01:48:24,577 --> 01:48:26,377
Just fucking get better.

1260
01:48:27,297 --> 01:48:30,397
Like just get better at whatever it is you're trying to do.

1261
01:48:31,297 --> 01:48:41,217
The anchor of it all is just the skill and developing the skill to be able to produce whatever it is that your vision is.

1262
01:48:41,217 --> 01:48:50,497
And wherever you lack in skill, finding people who can come in and fill the space to accomplish whatever the goal is.

1263
01:48:50,497 --> 01:48:58,317
um the thing is is that like really what it all comes down to it is marketing

1264
01:48:58,317 --> 01:49:07,697
and that's really hard work but one thing that can make it a lot fucking easier is if the artwork

1265
01:49:07,697 --> 01:49:17,637
is just fucking undeniable um and i like objectively beautiful work um and so

1266
01:49:17,637 --> 01:49:21,097
I think like in terms of

1267
01:49:21,917 --> 01:49:25,117
growing reach

1268
01:49:25,117 --> 01:49:26,917
the most important thing

1269
01:49:26,917 --> 01:49:29,117
and I'm like speaking I haven't seen anything you're working

1270
01:49:29,117 --> 01:49:31,057
on who knows but like are you

1271
01:49:31,057 --> 01:49:32,717
fucking proud of what you're putting out

1272
01:49:32,717 --> 01:49:35,157
and is what

1273
01:49:35,157 --> 01:49:37,117
you're putting out something that you will hang

1274
01:49:37,117 --> 01:49:38,917
in your own house and feel good about

1275
01:49:38,917 --> 01:49:40,217
when like people come over

1276
01:49:40,217 --> 01:49:43,117
and just get

1277
01:49:43,117 --> 01:49:44,897
better at like reaching whatever

1278
01:49:44,897 --> 01:49:46,477
that is for yourself

1279
01:49:46,477 --> 01:49:53,397
because the rest of it is just so much harder

1280
01:49:53,397 --> 01:49:56,417
if you haven't mastered your skills.

1281
01:49:59,277 --> 01:50:03,717
So I think that would be the advice I give to anybody

1282
01:50:03,717 --> 01:50:04,817
who's working on something.

1283
01:50:04,977 --> 01:50:08,277
It's just like, just fucking get really fucking good

1284
01:50:08,277 --> 01:50:08,997
at what you're doing.

1285
01:50:10,037 --> 01:50:15,957
And at any cost, go apprentice under somebody,

1286
01:50:15,957 --> 01:50:23,657
go you know and and like don't have to rush into like being um the brand right away you can work

1287
01:50:23,657 --> 01:50:30,057
under other you can work in other companies you can work for other artists you can um find a way

1288
01:50:30,057 --> 01:50:40,517
to like develop and improve your skills and it fucking takes time and it's hard it's really

1289
01:50:40,517 --> 01:50:47,997
you know I don't want to be discouraging but like it's fucking really really hard um like

1290
01:50:47,997 --> 01:50:57,317
I've been doing this pretty well all my life and seriously for like 13 as a serious commitment for

1291
01:50:57,317 --> 01:51:09,217
13 years now and you know there it's just fucking difficult so be ready for that you know and uh

1292
01:51:09,217 --> 01:51:12,077
The thing is, you've got to really want it, too.

1293
01:51:14,897 --> 01:51:25,157
You've got to really, because you're never going to outwork anyone who really loves and cares about what they're doing if your heart's not fully in it.

1294
01:51:26,837 --> 01:51:38,037
And, you know, like the thing, I think a lot of people get started into art because they think it's like an easy way to do it.

1295
01:51:39,217 --> 01:51:45,157
Because in theory, like when you talk about it in theory, it all like just kind of is very hopeful.

1296
01:51:45,797 --> 01:51:51,677
But the reality is, is that it's like insanely competitive, insanely difficult.

1297
01:51:52,577 --> 01:51:58,397
And you have to master your fucking skills while also operating a fucking business.

1298
01:52:00,157 --> 01:52:02,337
And yeah, it's just fucking difficult.

1299
01:52:02,337 --> 01:52:11,657
So like my advice to anybody is like do whatever you're already good at to build as much fucking Bitcoins as you possibly can.

1300
01:52:13,737 --> 01:52:32,317
And either like through that pursuit of excellence in that field, you can find love in that area of work or just build up enough capital to then be able to like make the swap over and put yourself in a position that Bitcoin can finance you over the years.

1301
01:52:32,337 --> 01:52:36,177
that you have to, you know, struggle.

1302
01:52:39,057 --> 01:52:41,557
I mean, it's good advice.

1303
01:52:42,397 --> 01:52:44,777
Last thing I'll ask you, which is another question from the chat

1304
01:52:44,777 --> 01:52:49,877
from my friend Avi Burra, who was just on this show a couple days ago.

1305
01:52:49,977 --> 01:52:51,936
Avi, don't worry, I'll release the episode soon.

1306
01:52:53,037 --> 01:52:58,497
He was wondering, when secession for, presumably for Alberta,

1307
01:52:59,137 --> 01:53:00,137
any thoughts?

1308
01:53:01,277 --> 01:53:01,477
Yeah.

1309
01:53:02,337 --> 01:53:18,637
I mean, it's looking promising, but I feel like kind of the same way as when you, you know, believing that like the stripper is actually into me and maybe wants to like have dinner tomorrow.

1310
01:53:19,537 --> 01:53:22,477
It's the sort of kind of same lead up, right?

1311
01:53:22,477 --> 01:53:30,077
and uh you know it's looking really good but i i'm bearish on the actual separation

1312
01:53:30,077 --> 01:53:34,277
happening which is like i shouldn't be publicly stating it but i'll just be honest because

1313
01:53:34,277 --> 01:53:41,557
there's trillions of fucking dollars at stake like i don't think anybody on the outside

1314
01:53:41,557 --> 01:53:49,917
understands how fucking rich alberta has the potential to be and even if we do everything

1315
01:53:49,917 --> 01:53:51,777
fucking properly

1316
01:53:51,777 --> 01:53:58,717
the federal government's just gonna say no

1317
01:53:58,717 --> 01:54:00,917
and it doesn't matter

1318
01:54:00,917 --> 01:54:02,177
whether it's lawful or legal

1319
01:54:02,177 --> 01:54:04,597
what people have to understand is when you get to a certain

1320
01:54:04,597 --> 01:54:06,037
fucking level of numbers

1321
01:54:06,037 --> 01:54:08,857
it's all

1322
01:54:08,857 --> 01:54:10,717
Pablo Escobar

1323
01:54:10,717 --> 01:54:13,497
like when you're at a certain level

1324
01:54:13,497 --> 01:54:14,557
there's no

1325
01:54:14,557 --> 01:54:17,057
fucking due process

1326
01:54:17,057 --> 01:54:18,877
or fucking anything, it's wild west

1327
01:54:18,877 --> 01:54:21,157
when you get into big fucking numbers.

1328
01:54:22,597 --> 01:54:26,537
And so that's what it'll come down to.

1329
01:54:26,637 --> 01:54:27,557
I think at the end of the day,

1330
01:54:27,617 --> 01:54:30,237
it'll come down to everything being done properly,

1331
01:54:30,517 --> 01:54:31,797
everything being done legally,

1332
01:54:32,357 --> 01:54:33,357
everything good to go.

1333
01:54:34,117 --> 01:54:35,057
We're fucking leaving.

1334
01:54:35,257 --> 01:54:36,537
We're going to be independent in Alberta.

1335
01:54:36,537 --> 01:54:39,017
And then Ottawa will just say no

1336
01:54:39,017 --> 01:54:41,017
and then back that with violence.

1337
01:54:41,017 --> 01:54:52,936
and so alberta has to have a plan for what to do when that happens and uh historically

1338
01:54:52,936 --> 01:54:58,077
because this isn't the first time that separation has really charged up

1339
01:54:58,077 --> 01:55:05,737
uh historically when the feds say no uh we just say okay well thank you for your time

1340
01:55:05,737 --> 01:55:12,637
and go back to getting ass railed year over year over year and having the fucking futures of our

1341
01:55:12,637 --> 01:55:18,817
children destroyed and the futures of present families eradicated by this fucking behemoth

1342
01:55:18,817 --> 01:55:27,177
abuser of a state power and uh until you know something else happens but i will say on a brighter

1343
01:55:27,177 --> 01:55:36,097
side that this is the best setup we've ever had and that alberta is polling not that you can trust

1344
01:55:36,097 --> 01:55:46,357
polls but at 40 in favor of separation with no leadership and no party um so you know that the

1345
01:55:46,357 --> 01:55:55,717
thing that could be really amazing is that uh some sort of napoleon figure emerges from alberta

1346
01:55:55,717 --> 01:56:00,497
to really say fuck you and really back that.

1347
01:56:01,817 --> 01:56:04,617
You know, what I would like to do if I had more time

1348
01:56:04,617 --> 01:56:07,817
is just go and meet with every single fucking oil company

1349
01:56:07,817 --> 01:56:09,797
and be like, just stop paying them.

1350
01:56:10,936 --> 01:56:12,157
Just fucking stop.

1351
01:56:12,457 --> 01:56:15,436
All of you guys just stop, you know,

1352
01:56:15,497 --> 01:56:19,537
and take the budget from fucking eight months,

1353
01:56:20,077 --> 01:56:21,436
take the money that we get,

1354
01:56:21,436 --> 01:56:25,537
because it's billions of dollars that we send to the East.

1355
01:56:25,537 --> 01:56:30,277
like Alberta pays for every single fucking thing in Canada.

1356
01:56:33,097 --> 01:56:33,617
And,

1357
01:56:33,917 --> 01:56:34,936
you know,

1358
01:56:34,957 --> 01:56:35,637
unfortunately it's like,

1359
01:56:35,677 --> 01:56:36,377
take all that money.

1360
01:56:36,377 --> 01:56:37,037
And then,

1361
01:56:37,177 --> 01:56:37,477
you know,

1362
01:56:37,497 --> 01:56:43,137
the only option I see is like private military contractors hired to defend

1363
01:56:43,137 --> 01:56:44,717
Alberta against the Canadian government.

1364
01:56:46,436 --> 01:56:46,877
And,

1365
01:56:47,057 --> 01:56:47,217
you know,

1366
01:56:47,237 --> 01:56:47,977
another thing is like,

1367
01:56:47,997 --> 01:56:49,197
we really need ally,

1368
01:56:49,377 --> 01:56:50,617
like ultimately like in a,

1369
01:56:50,857 --> 01:56:52,117
that's like a pipe dream,

1370
01:56:52,177 --> 01:56:52,457
I think,

1371
01:56:52,517 --> 01:56:52,897
but the,

1372
01:56:53,277 --> 01:56:54,657
the realistically,

1373
01:56:54,657 --> 01:57:03,117
like the real scenario is we need we need Trump slash the United States to support an independent

1374
01:57:03,117 --> 01:57:14,477
Alberta and to maybe see the potential of having a Monaco Andorra style country just attached to

1375
01:57:14,477 --> 01:57:21,417
the border of the United States and support that and be like okay well Alberta is going to be like

1376
01:57:21,417 --> 01:57:28,557
the Monaco of America. And we're willing to back that and we're willing to back it with the military.

1377
01:57:30,897 --> 01:57:39,197
Because that's the only, I mean, like every instance in history of any sort of fun rebellion,

1378
01:57:39,737 --> 01:57:44,117
the Canadian government has just stamped it out with violence. And

1379
01:57:44,117 --> 01:57:55,037
violence that also is not always public, which is like, if you go to a protest in Canada,

1380
01:57:55,557 --> 01:57:59,477
you'll see the cops have video cameras.

1381
01:58:01,157 --> 01:58:03,277
So there's all like the riot cops.

1382
01:58:04,277 --> 01:58:06,637
And then there's just guys with camcorders.

1383
01:58:09,237 --> 01:58:10,897
And they're just creating lists.

1384
01:58:10,897 --> 01:58:16,577
and then like once all the drama is passed and the protest it then they just go after each person

1385
01:58:16,577 --> 01:58:24,517
individually one by one and ruin their fucking lives so it's really insidious it's like a giant

1386
01:58:24,517 --> 01:58:30,737
and then like i said on a huge scale it's like this fucking there's an insane amount of money at

1387
01:58:30,737 --> 01:58:38,057
stake and so like the answer in fiat world is there that that means there's this insane amount

1388
01:58:38,057 --> 01:58:48,197
of potential violence. And yeah, I mean, the only, the only way that it's going to happen is if

1389
01:58:48,197 --> 01:58:53,017
somebody somewhere backs it with, with might, with, with violence. Otherwise it's just not

1390
01:58:53,017 --> 01:59:00,777
going to happen. So pretty real situation. Like a lot of other people would probably be more,

1391
01:59:00,777 --> 01:59:06,197
you know, due process, all this kind of stuff. But I just kind of see the world as like,

1392
01:59:06,197 --> 01:59:13,177
we've never actually really left like the kingdoms format. And, you know, the other huge

1393
01:59:13,177 --> 01:59:18,737
problem we have here is that everybody leaves. Anybody with any fucking intelligence leaves.

1394
01:59:19,377 --> 01:59:24,717
Anyone who wants to make a fortune leaves, right? Anyone who wants to be a part of sophisticated

1395
01:59:24,717 --> 01:59:29,637
military leaves. You go and become American and join the fucking Navy SEALs. Like we don't,

1396
01:59:29,637 --> 01:59:31,197
we don't have any of that here.

1397
01:59:33,297 --> 01:59:35,417
So it's pretty interesting,

1398
01:59:35,657 --> 01:59:36,477
you know,

1399
01:59:36,517 --> 01:59:36,737
but,

1400
01:59:36,877 --> 01:59:38,797
and then the bullish side is that like really,

1401
01:59:39,117 --> 01:59:39,497
you know,

1402
01:59:40,177 --> 01:59:45,157
maybe it's true that all you need is a thousand men with air 15s and pickup

1403
01:59:45,157 --> 01:59:46,497
trucks and you can change the world.

1404
01:59:49,717 --> 01:59:50,997
I'd like to believe so,

1405
01:59:51,657 --> 01:59:52,337
you know,

1406
01:59:52,657 --> 01:59:54,417
like as long as they're powered by Bitcoin,

1407
01:59:54,557 --> 01:59:54,897
right?

1408
01:59:55,777 --> 01:59:59,237
A thousand dudes with AR 15s and pickup trucks and Bitcoin that,

1409
01:59:59,237 --> 02:00:06,737
that packs a pretty big punch well dude manix this has been a this has been a treat man um is

1410
02:00:06,737 --> 02:00:11,417
there anything we didn't cover anything else you want to get out there that uh we didn't get a

1411
02:00:11,417 --> 02:00:16,577
chance to go over yet if not she'll tell people where to find you tell people where to find your

1412
02:00:16,577 --> 02:00:24,357
art tell people what you got coming up next whatever you want yeah i mean um i got a ton

1413
02:00:24,357 --> 02:00:30,697
of original work coming out of the studio and, uh, I'm just like leveling everything up.

1414
02:00:31,277 --> 02:00:38,297
So have a new format, really expensive originals, and then, um, a print system, super HD prints.

1415
02:00:39,697 --> 02:00:46,877
So you can see the stuff that I'm releasing. Um, I've got the jewelry lines coming together,

1416
02:00:46,877 --> 02:00:53,477
really cool stuff. It's much better to see it in person. Um, and I would just say that like,

1417
02:00:53,477 --> 02:00:59,737
back the things that you want to see continue to exist in the world.

1418
02:01:00,677 --> 02:01:04,157
And if what I'm up to and if what I'm doing is one of those things,

1419
02:01:04,497 --> 02:01:09,497
don't hesitate to spend 0.3 Bitcoin on a painting

1420
02:01:09,497 --> 02:01:12,817
because it perpetuates this whole project forward,

1421
02:01:13,037 --> 02:01:15,117
this whole mission and this whole signal.

1422
02:01:15,117 --> 02:01:25,377
And this is a moment in history that will echo for eternity.

1423
02:01:26,617 --> 02:01:30,877
And this is a way to be a part of it.

1424
02:01:31,557 --> 02:01:34,957
And I'm grateful for everything that's led me to this point.

1425
02:01:35,097 --> 02:01:40,657
And I'm extremely bullish and excited about everything coming in the future.

1426
02:01:40,657 --> 02:01:49,297
just amplification. And I think the whole, I mean, there's all kinds of drama within Bitcoin,

1427
02:01:49,297 --> 02:01:57,757
but I think overall we're winning, doing really well. And start running knots is a major thing.

1428
02:01:58,497 --> 02:02:05,037
It's a small contribution that you can make. And what else do I have to add?

1429
02:02:05,037 --> 02:02:12,697
Bull Bitcoin is international now. So if you're in Europe, we can facilitate transactions at any

1430
02:02:12,697 --> 02:02:23,377
scale. Same with Mexico, Costa Rica, and obviously Canada, where we started. And being a client of

1431
02:02:23,377 --> 02:02:32,037
Bull means also that you're furthering the development of Bitcoin because the talent of

1432
02:02:32,037 --> 02:02:39,197
our engineering team is just like we're building the bridges and the infrastructure that is then

1433
02:02:39,197 --> 02:02:45,517
rinsed, duplicated, and copied by everybody else. And we're very happy and willing to do that

1434
02:02:45,517 --> 02:02:51,757
because obviously like we say internally at Bull that our mission is to make ourselves irrelevant.

1435
02:02:52,077 --> 02:02:56,457
So we're an exchange-based service. So the goal is to make it so that we don't have a business

1436
02:02:56,457 --> 02:03:02,217
anymore other than just like you know developing engineering products and you know doing finding

1437
02:03:02,217 --> 02:03:09,717
new ways to do things but we want to uh extinct the exchange side of our business and bring the

1438
02:03:09,717 --> 02:03:17,936
world help usher the world and onto a bitcoin standard love that uh we need a little bit of

1439
02:03:17,936 --> 02:03:25,436
bull bitcoin in america too though you know just just just saying uh yeah next uh territorial

1440
02:03:25,436 --> 02:03:33,597
expansion perhaps yeah i think it's uh definitely on the map obviously a lot of challenges with the

1441
02:03:33,597 --> 02:03:42,477
united states it's not as free as it claims to be but um you know but our goal is to just yeah it can

1442
02:03:42,477 --> 02:03:52,097
be our goal is just to enable people to live a bitcoin life transact with bitcoin on a daily

1443
02:03:52,097 --> 02:03:58,217
basis and just have as little friction as possible to interact with the fiat world as we go through

1444
02:03:58,217 --> 02:04:04,797
this transition and i also have this painting right here which is about to go to the framers

1445
02:04:04,797 --> 02:04:13,237
man anyway it's a beaut it's a beaut i'm bad at chilling but dude no no i i'll uh i'll drop your

1446
02:04:13,237 --> 02:04:17,517
links in the in the show notes highly encourage everybody to go check out your stuff appreciate

1447
02:04:17,517 --> 02:04:23,357
your time, man. Thank you. This was a love chatting with you as always. And next time let's do this

1448
02:04:23,357 --> 02:04:29,597
in person. We'll make it happen. Maybe I'll, I'll, I'll come up to your neck of the woods,

1449
02:04:29,697 --> 02:04:35,337
see what the free state of Alberta looks like. Yeah. I'd love to have you here. We're probably

1450
02:04:35,337 --> 02:04:41,777
doing the Bitcoin rodeo again next year, which was a huge success this year and a lot of independent

1451
02:04:41,777 --> 02:04:46,857
Alberta conversations and topics there. But yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you in person,

1452
02:04:46,857 --> 02:04:48,397
and doing an in-person one would be great.

1453
02:04:49,317 --> 02:04:54,037
And I think I'm about to like the whole project,

1454
02:04:54,436 --> 02:04:57,677
both at Bull and at Madex, is about to really level up.

1455
02:04:57,757 --> 02:05:00,177
So I think the content and the conversations

1456
02:05:00,177 --> 02:05:02,297
are just going to keep getting more and more exciting.

1457
02:05:02,397 --> 02:05:04,377
So thank you very much for your time, Walker.

1458
02:05:04,477 --> 02:05:05,037
This is great.

1459
02:05:05,837 --> 02:05:07,957
Dude, you are welcome back anytime.

1460
02:05:08,217 --> 02:05:09,177
Great to see you, man.

1461
02:05:09,177 --> 02:05:12,137
And thanks to everybody who joined in on Noster, too.

1462
02:05:12,137 --> 02:05:14,477
in your small part.

1463
02:05:14,617 --> 02:05:18,557
You are helping to further the mission of freedom

1464
02:05:18,557 --> 02:05:19,997
from this fiat fuckery.

1465
02:05:20,277 --> 02:05:21,837
So cheers to you, brother,

1466
02:05:22,037 --> 02:05:23,497
and cheers to everybody who listened in.

1467
02:05:24,217 --> 02:05:24,517
Cheers.

1468
02:05:31,517 --> 02:05:34,717
And that's a wrap on this Bitcoin Talk episode

1469
02:05:34,717 --> 02:05:36,337
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02:05:36,957 --> 02:05:39,357
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02:05:39,357 --> 02:05:40,917
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