How money is supposed to work is that like the person who has the fucking most money is the person who's most valuable to society.
And when the government is printing money and the money is broken, what happens is the people who are the least valuable and the most skilled at trickery and deception and fraud basically end up rising to the top.
I want all the productive people to get Bitcoin, understand Bitcoin and save in Bitcoin.
The heart of civilization, like the core Iron Man heart of civilization is the entrepreneur.
If the entrepreneur is unhealthy, then everything else collapses.
Everything fails.
And if the entrepreneur is healthy and supported and has an environment that they can create and build and contribute in,
then that's what grows out into civilization.
Bitcoin is that ship, that ultimate tool for the entrepreneur.
to put them in a position where they can conduct business
without all of the fucking weight and all of the crap
that comes from the fiat system
and also the heavily over-regulated crazy government system.
And it just frees everything up.
Capitalism is so fucking powerful
that we haven't had anything close to real capitalism
since the creation of the Fed, right?
And look at what we've accomplished in spite of that.
It's very hopeful because imagine the world when we just fucking, even if like just only 10% of the sludge was removed.
Imagine the efficiency.
Like it used to be year over year over year, even in spite of all the crazy shit, it was like better and better and better.
Things got better.
And then we just kind of hit this point where now like things are getting worse year over year over year.
And I just can't wait to fucking return.
I don't think like the system is going to change at all.
because obviously everybody in it is incentivized for it not to change.
I think that entrepreneurs who onboard and use Bitcoin,
we're just going to build our own system.
And people will transact in Bitcoin world or they'll transact in fiat world.
And just obviously the world without all of the fucking garbage is going to do way better.
I think Bitcoin is so significant that we won't even mark the creation of money as an important time in human history.
I think that Bitcoin will be the marker of the creation of money.
I think we've all won the fucking lottery to be born at this time where the work we do now is going to echo for 10,000 years in the Bitcoin space.
There's just nothing that will have such an insanely crazy impact on civilization.
Madex, welcome.
Fuck me.
It's a shame this is not in person, but this will have to do for now.
It's good to see you, man.
Good to see you as well.
Yeah, looking forward to an in-person one at some point.
I've been doing these sober, so it's been a whole learning curve.
So are you, if you don't mind me asking, are you sober sober? Like, I thought you did drink, right?
Yeah, until this year.
Damn, and you went just fully. So you don't mind if I'm enjoying a couple of Miller lattes?
No, of course not.
Okay.
Yeah.
Tell me about that. Was it just like you wanted to make a change, like wanted some clarity?
Like what led you to it?
uh well there was a particular event which i would discuss privately with you
but um fair enough it had kind of been like a long time goal just something you kind of say like oh
you know gotta quit drinking or whatever but or slow down or whatever i i was never like two i
had some crazy years but um yeah the funniest thing man about about uh quitting drinking is that
like you know you're you you go out with your buddies and you get kind of fucked up and like
you're having a good time having some drinks you're a little bit wasted and you know inevitably
some point in the night you you say a bunch of fucking really stupid shit and then like the next
morning you're all hung over and you're like oh fuck like thinking about the fucking stupid shit
you said and then you could just pass it off and be like oh yeah it's just I was really fucked up
like I was drunk so now I've been sober for seven months now and what I learned is that like I go out
with my friends who are drinking and we all hang out and inevitably in the night I just say a bunch
of really fucking stupid shit and then i wake up the next morning not hung over and uh i guess
you know there's nobody to blame anymore i can't blame that can't just be like oh i was fucked up
that's why i said all that embarrassing shit so it turns out you just you know you just say a lot
of fucking stupid shit sometimes i think we all have that yeah i mean but you know maybe uh
the stupidity is in the, uh, the eye of the beholder, right? Like we're always our own
harshest critics. I feel like there's just something about the, the nighttime in general,
like whether you're, whether you're drunk or sober or whatever else, something in between,
it's like the nighttime casts a strange spell, I believe. Yeah, it does.
Well, congrats on, uh, on, on seven months. I mean, that's, uh, you know, it's one of those
things like, yeah, I should, I should probably, I should probably stop drinking. Um, but then
I just love these ice cold Miller lights so much.
Yeah, man.
I'll tell you, like, I'm not happy about this.
Like, I'm not thrilled about this.
I'm not, I'm not pushing it on it on anybody.
Like, to be honest with you, it fucking sucks.
Like, I don't, I don't miss being hung over, but I definitely do miss being like fucking
wasted with the, with the bros, you know?
And it's like, it is, it's socially isolating in a lot of ways.
Um, but that was actually one of my primary motivations is because I just kind of figured
I've got like a small window and a huge amount of work to do.
Um, and I would just losing like a lot of time, um, from like being hung over and, and,
uh, not being able to like come in and crush it or having, you know, showing up late or
whatever and like that is just that that's the biggest benefit i've gotten from it is just uh
more more time but uh oh and obviously savings too because of course you know what they say if
it's not chateau neuf de pop it's fucking cooking wine so like the sat stacking has been going a lot
better and uh but yeah i don't feel like amazingly more healthy or better like i thought i would like
feel 18 again and uh that's just not the case so uh you know love me a little chat new to pappy uh
just wow but i have not heard that particular expression that's hilarious um but yeah that's
that that shit will that's a lot of sats uh per bottle let's just say you know it's a racks the
building racks up quick i uh have uh you know it's interesting i like used to i think just from my
family upbringing, I was so forced into like an investment mentality that like every dollar I ever
earned, it was like, if you earn money and you don't invest it and you spend it on something,
then it's a loss. So like my brain was very wired that like spending on anything was a loss.
and so like i went through this like very i guess like like stingy sort of cheap phase for a long
time where i wasn't um spending like when it when it comes to wine in canada we have this brand
called like naked grape you just get a bottle of of naked grape or barefoot i think they have in
the states and you just mix that up with some coca-cola and hold on wait wait wait you mix it
with coca-cola wait wait oh yeah i mean it's fucking really shitty wine so you gotta splash
it with something yeah but why not maybe like some some mineral water or something coca-cola
man you got you canadians are wild dude i think it's actually an asian thing i don't know i i can't
remember i think it was like a korean person or something that showed it to me but i know the
jones do like beer and coke but wine and coke that's like uh you just blew my mind yeah well
It makes the shitty wine taste great.
It tastes like wine-flavored Coca-Cola, like Coke cherry, but it's like Coke wine.
Okay.
It's great.
Can I ask you?
Yeah.
I was just going to say, so you said you grew up in a very investment-minded family.
I assume that if I can ask, you don't have to dox too much, but were your parents from the investment world?
Was that the situation or was it something else?
No.
Well, I guess kind of, but like my family around me was all entrepreneurs.
Okay.
So like my dad was an entrepreneur.
My godparents were entrepreneurs and kind of – most of my family is overseas in Europe, like my actual blood family.
so uh is the case a lot in alberta that you kind of have uh a lot of people's um families who are
like new generations to canada it's kind of just um different people from different walks of life
and the area i happened to live in was just um outside of the city like where i was born outside
of the city but everyone who was there pretty much was entrepreneurs or oil and gas workers or
ranchers. So from like my entire upbringing really primed me to be ready for Bitcoin,
which is great. And it makes me kind of think about how lucky like your son is and all the other
Bitcoin kids that are growing up because having Bitcoin parents is probably the best fucking thing
that could happen. Like, to anyone who complains about being late on Bitcoin, I always say,
like, imagine what the people who haven't even been born yet feel. It's like, you can buy it
today. They got, it'll be fucking, if they're born five years from now and, you know, takes them like
15 years to kind of figure out that Bitcoin's a good idea, maybe longer in most cases, especially
if they go into the fiat system. Like, that's fucking hard times, man. Like, by the time they're
like fuck i should have bought bitcoin they'll be like just 100 million dollar coins and like our
children will just be like well you know my dad had this podcast and my my dad was this psychopathic
artist and so it sounds cooler than mine does though like you know like well i mean i like my
dad had a podcast like i mean but you're also a creator which is great which is why i'm really
happy to be here. I think there's a lot too many podcasts. I think that the perfect combo is like
have the podcast because why not? It's fucking fun, but also like make stuff. And you guys
actually make stuff, which is great. We've been on a pseudo hiatus from like making,
making stuff with just because of our little guy. And let's be honest, Carla was the,
the production guru behind all of that. I'm, I'm just the pretty face, you know? And so
that's, that's slowed down a little bit, but we're going to, we're going to try to kick back
into it a little bit just because like i don't know the vibes have also shifted though like when
we were when we started making content was like bear market like that was when we really like got
into making content hardcore and like you know it's like i don't know the vibes are somehow better
in the bear market in some ways yeah they are you know what i mean like it's it's counterintuitive
like you'd think like oh bull market yeah everybody like we've only been here like so one full cycle
now since like 2020. And throughout that time, now we could argue if we're in a bull market now,
or if we're just starting or whatever, if it's a super cycle, it doesn't matter.
We've got like one cycle under our belts. You've got a, you've got a little more than that. So
you've seen this multiple times, but the bear market just felt better. Like it was more like
it felt more somehow close knit. Like there was less infighting. There was more like fighting the
external threats. It seems like once things get too good, it's like you look for problems,
You look for problems within and you fight within more.
I don't know.
Just my perception.
I don't know how you feel about it.
Well, the wealth also invites the scammers.
Well said.
So it's very hard to scam in a bear market without euphoria.
The best advantage a scammer can have is hope.
So if things aren't looking hopeful, it's a worse environment.
because that's why where i see like the root of pretty much all like i don't pay too much
attention to it but the root of the fighting i see is like there's a gang of people trying to
pull some scam on the noobs and the normies and then the other side is um
people who have ethical standards being like hey fuck you that's bullshit um but yeah in the bear
market, I mean, it's much, uh, that that's like all the kind of bloatware goes away in the bear
market and you just have like the lifers, which, which is a lot of fun because, and it's really,
it's really, I think when you really get Bitcoin and there's like an 80% crash, it's like, fuck
yeah. Like this is sick because you know, we were, if the price goes down and you're unhappy,
it just means you're lazy, right?
You're not earning enough.
You don't have cash flow.
You're not, right?
And if you're smart enough to be in Bitcoin,
then you should be smart enough to be making fucking money.
So like if you're pissed when the price goes down,
like you're slacking, in my opinion.
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I like that mentality a lot. I think that's honestly spot on and it's going to become
truer. Like it's already true. Like that's a fact in my opinion. It's going to become even more true.
I think as the years go on, as Bitcoin is repriced in the world, as it's getting more and more
expensive in fiat terms, right? You need to like to, you know, you need to keep up with Bitcoin.
You need to be producing a lot of value. Like you can't just be sitting on your ass doing nothing.
Like you can, if you already have a more Bitcoin and you know what to do with, I'm super happy for you.
Great.
You know, like that's awesome and good for you.
You were smarter than I was years before I was.
But that's not me.
Like, so me, I need to make sure because I also have like, you know, expenses, like a family and everything.
And like, you know, I need to make sure I create value and I need to create more than I consume.
And like, it's a pretty simple thing.
It's like you want to lose weight.
You need to be in a caloric deficit.
You need to be, you know, burning more calories than you consume.
If you do that, you'll lose weight.
If you're eating more calories than you burn, you're going to gain weight.
Like it's with some weird little caveats and people get all triggered by this.
But like basically that's how it works.
And it's the same thing with value.
It's like you need to be creating value.
And if you are not, value is going to go away from you.
Whatever value you've accumulated, you will lose it little by little.
It'll be siphoned away.
So it's like, yeah, I remember that dip down to, what did it get down to?
Like 16K or something?
Like it was like terrifying on the one hand because I bought all the way up to the tip of the tippity top.
Yeah.
Because I was like, yeah, like it's going up forever.
Same, man.
I thought we finally made it.
And I mean to be fair, we probably would have except if – and that's like every single one of these bear markets is caused by a scammer's project imploding.
Every single one.
So –
It's like why can't they just like quit scamming and like I don't know like –
go do something worthwhile like but scammers are always going to scam right like there's always
going to be a percentage of like very intelligent people who have like zero moral compass i mean
like dare i say like one percent of the population is like clinical psych psychopathy like they're
literal psychopaths they can't feel empathy i'd say like a lot of those scammers end up in that
camp like like and maybe that's giving them too much of like an out like they could just be shitty
people fully capable of feeling empathy but they're just pieces of shit yeah well i think
i think they lie to themselves mostly is what i find yeah right like i i've been around for a long
time and could have gotten involved in all kinds of crazy shit and uh every once in a while i'm
like maybe it'd be nice to have like 200 million bucks stashed away but i what i realized especially
on this recent trip to vegas i got invited to um this well i didn't get invited i snuck in actually
to this crypto thing that was in like this penthouse bar.
And I just like, you know, there was like probably 70 prostitutes in there.
And like, I just felt so fucking bad for these guys.
I was like, you know, the thing was like, if you're, if you're a bureaucrat or fucking
political or, you know, a scammer or from, from any of this like looting and leeching
class, you don't produce anything. So if you don't produce anything, then the only thing you can do
with the money you have is spend it. Like you can't make anything. So like, what, what are your
options? Like you can buy Ferraris, you can buy prostitutes, you can buy drugs, you can go fucking
gamble like you run out of stuff to do like really fucking quickly and i think that's why a lot of
these people who end up with all this money are fucking depressed man because like they didn't get
it by using their productivity they got it through treachery and trickery and then so like once you
have like the whole in in my mind the whole fucking purpose of money is to build is to make
and if you don't have any fucking skills making creating like money's pretty fucking useless
in a lot of ways, right?
Like, and the more and more you make,
like the more useless it can kind of become.
I think it, I don't think you can be happy
with hundreds of millions of dollars
unless you have the ability to create.
I couldn't agree more.
It's like money buys a lot of things.
It doesn't buy purpose.
Like it doesn't buy fulfillment.
Like quite the opposite.
Like if you get money through ill, you know,
if they're ill-gotten gains, like it's hollow.
right like and as much as you lie to yourself like your subconscious knows again unless you're
a psychopath in which case yeah good for you go fuck yourself you don't care about anyone so i
don't care about you like uh rotten hell dude don't care uh but like for a non-psychopathic
person like your subconscious knows the truth it knows that you didn't get that get what you have
through any sort of actual constructive value adding behavior you got it through extractive
parasitic behavior and however much you lie to yourself however many things you spend money on
nothing's going to fill that gaping void left by a lack of real purpose because i think like
real fulfillment comes from creating things of value of from building things up not from
leeching off of them and it's like you know to your point it's like yeah you know money is great
but like the you know the uh the means matter when it comes to the end like you know the the
ends don't really justify the means like if the means are shitty okay yeah you got to the end you
wanted but like is that really what you wanted or did you want to actually feel good about yourself
and feel fulfilled and be able to keep building things like i don't know there's a lot of leeches
out there there's a lot of parasites yeah i mean the nightmare would be to like make it and then
have nothing to do right like like that'll never happen for me man like yeah i got a billion dollars
to allocate, I know exactly what the fuck to do with it. Now, if you want to talk about returns,
I don't know about that, but I can tell you, I can spend that billion very well and make a lot of
very cool stuff. Um, you know, I also found like recently because like I've been in pursuit of
wealth all my life. And, um, one thing I found, uh, recently is that I think that the scarcity
actually helps you make decisions on what's important.
I think if you just have billions of dollars,
it's really hard to decide what to do.
Because you don't have that like...
Like when you're building wealth, if you make a mistake,
then it's like a lot...
Just the stakes are so much higher for the decisions that you make
on like what to build, what to create, what to do,
what to invest in, what...
And if you just have billions of dollars and you like lose 10 million here or 100 million there or whatever, like the stakes are just so low.
So I can imagine it being like, I don't fucking have that money.
So I have no idea.
But just when I look out into the world and I see how much wealth supposedly people have and how like there's a massive shortage of really fucking crazy dope stuff, like there's got to be some kind of fucking disconnect happening.
happening. You know, so I think that like, because tons of people are especially in this Bitcoin
world, like you get into this on this pursuit to become wealthy and all of that. But like,
it's the hardship and the struggle and the process of creating the wealth
that signals like, what values most to you and what you care most about.
Um, so I think that I, I'm personally very grateful for where I started and where, you
know, I'm working to get and, uh, you know, skipping that step by like doing a fucking
ICO or an NFT or ordinal scam.
Like, you know, you just, you just lose so much, uh, important data, um, so much important
feedback and, you know, it could be just totally, it's like, and then especially, you know,
you'll fucking lose it really quickly.
I think as well,
like lottery winners,
a lot of times they win the fucking lottery,
get a shitload of money and it's just fucking gone a few years later.
And I think that's because the process of creating wealth is the same tools,
the same skills that allow you to,
to preserve it.
I think,
I think that's,
that's spot on.
And I want to,
I want to get into that a little bit about the whole,
like the NFTs and everything,
because like,
I mean,
actually maybe first of all,
like we should take just like one step back just for folks that don't know
you. I'm always bad at giving introductions. Like I'd rather you just do it. Like who, who,
who are you medics? How did, how did, how did you get here to be this hardcore, uh, Bitcoin,
you know, psychopathic Bitcoin artist or psychopathic artist who also likes Bitcoin.
I don't want to, I don't want to pigeonhole you with just Bitcoin art. You know, how did you get
here man uh well i'm a maker i'm a designer and um i wanted meaning in my life and i wanted meaning
in the stuff i made and designed and i wanted to i want to make a contribution to other people's
lives in the same way as those before me made a contribution to mine. And I discovered Bitcoin
along the journey of trying all kinds of stuff and realized it was the, it's when we look back
on history, there will be the wheel. And then I don't, I don't even think, well, I think Bitcoin
is so significant that we won't even uh mark like the creation of money as like an important time in
human history um i think that bitcoin will be the marker of the creation of money um so i think it's
like just i think we've all won the fucking lottery to be born at this time where the effort
like the work we do now is going to echo for 10,000 years in the Bitcoin space.
You know, there's just nothing that will, that has such an insanely crazy impact on civilization.
So yeah, so that's what got me really fully into Bitcoin. And yeah, so, and then I, along that
journey. I met Francis Pouliot, the founder of BullBitcoin. And it was just at the right time
where he wanted to create Bull. And I was friends with Dave Bradley and Dave Bradley was co-founding
with it. And the whole plan for Bull came together and I was just in the right place, right time with
the right skill set to come on and create the brand. And yeah, so I guess this is a long and
rambling story. But like, I make stuff. I'm a designer. And I contribute to Bitcoin through
my art, which the goal around the whole art and the whole Madex brand is to kind of make
Bitcoin cool, make Austrian economics cool. Because, you know, really,
I mean there's nothing there's nothing cool about like uh being a commie that's for sure
and uh yeah and I don't know why uh well of course I know why but I mean it's just crazy to me that
people get so sucked into that when we have um so much talent so much ability in ourselves like I
look at these fucking hands and I'm like the things that these can fucking do is so crazy like
everything you see in the world came from these two little tools. Right. And, uh, to be like,
oh, somebody else should do it for me. It's just like, so fucking lame. So anyway, that's my long
and rambling story, but I make fucking amazing shit. I'm on a trajectory to build a huge fucking
brand. I want to go, uh, absolutely like St. Laurent level with it anchored in Bitcoin, um,
funded by Bitcoin, supported by Bitcoiners. And essentially like Bull and Madex together are like,
and especially Madex, this like just giant fucking Trojan horse project to onboard as many fucking
people as I possibly can. And so, you know, the goal with the brand and the reach with Bull,
like when we just launched in Europe and we had like a bunch of people
contacting us or talking to us like when we were in Prague and being like,
so are you guys like a fashion company? Like is bull like, and you know, meanwhile,
bull is the industry standard leader for Bitcoin engineering in the world. And like the most
technical savvy project I think there is. And making it cool allows people to like,
discover like all the insane stuff that we're doing. And, and yeah, so that's the goals.
Just reach, reach people with, I guess what it means to have a Bitcoin life
and to be powered by Bitcoin and yeah, on board for, you know, the changes. I think many of us
are aware are inevitable at this point, but like, it still takes work. It's not like the Michael
sailor thing where, okay, everybody don't worry. It's just going to happen. It's like, no, we
actually have to build it. We have to build the infrastructure. We have to build the marketing.
We have to build the brand and like the brand of Bitcoin. Like that, that's what I really want
Madex to contribute to. Um, it's just the, to, you know, the, the way the Bitcoin brand was done
was perfect from the beginning because like, it kind of had to be a little bit like Fisher pricey
because otherwise it may have been taken more seriously earlier.
And, you know, there was a really long period of time
where Bitcoin could have failed very easily
if, you know, the banksters and the fiaters were paying more attention.
So, but now we're in a really great position.
And I think the overarching goal for the whole thing
is we have to get as much fucking talent into Bitcoin as possible.
And so those are my goals and what drives me.
And yeah.
Fuck yeah, man.
Can I ask you, what do you think is the, let's say, the true brand of Bitcoin?
Like the non-Fisher Pricey, not what it is presented as so far.
What is this under the surface?
Like what is the subversive brand of Bitcoin in your mind?
Well I mean if you running Bitcoin it means you can do what you want when you want with whoever you want wherever you want whenever you want right
It's like, you know, it's a ship, right?
and uh all the components like madex bull bitcoin um like you know even uh even tether like all the
crypto crap like all the podcast like everybody who is fucking bringing some kind of attention
to bitcoin that's like just all stuff that's out there happening it's like what bitcoin needs like
even like the scammers in a lot of ways, because like, um, you know, that I think,
I think everybody gets scammed at some point in their Bitcoin journey.
And I think that the sooner it happens, the better, because that's like what ultimately
leads you to understanding like why Bitcoin is the only application of blockchain and the only
cryptocurrency. But, um, like what, what, what Bitcoin to me is, is a ship. It's, it's just
total freedom i mean i like that and like all aboard at the you know all aboard this fucking
ship like you know like you should get aboard most people won't and and that's the thing it's like
doesn't we can't save everyone that's a realization and i'm obviously i'm not the first person to say
that nor will i be the last long in a list of people saying you can't save everyone but it's
true. And I think that's a realization a lot of people come to once you've spent a little bit of
time in Bitcoin. And again, I still consider myself like early, like I'm still early in my
Bitcoin journey. I know fucking nothing. I'm like, I'm still a sponge. I'm trying to learn as much as
I can and trying to do whatever I can to like, to spread that, you know, that good word, uh,
to spread that gospel, uh, you know, to spread that truth, however you want to say it. But like,
And man, it's funny because if you didn't know any better and you just were hearing about Bitcoin for the first time right now, and you've been living under a rock for a while.
But a lot of people have because they pay attention to the real housewives of whatever and whatever sports team.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Do whatever the fuck you want to do with your life.
But if you're just hearing about Bitcoin now and you've been kind of asleep and you now hear about this thing where it's like you're hearing about in the context of corporate treasuries.
and the U S government, you know, legislation and all these different things,
you may have a really distorted view of what Bitcoin is like,
what Bitcoin really is, what Bitcoin really means.
And maybe that's okay too. Maybe that's just like a natural part.
Maybe it's, it's necessarily true that you need,
like you only need a certain small cohort of people to really understand the
truth of something in order to make that truth into a reality. Does that,
does that make sense? Like, like we're never going to ever,
everyone is not going to be a fucking toxic Bitcoin maximalist.
It's just not going to happen.
It's not possible.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean,
it's like,
well,
first of all,
I would say to everybody,
especially anyone who's new is like,
don't waste your time on anybody who's not,
who's not interested in what we're up to.
I mean,
like it's so fucking crystal clear that Bitcoin wins at this point.
that, you know, just the only people I spend time like sharing Bitcoin stuff with are people who are
actually curious and interested and they want to know and they're willing to listen. I like say,
you got to watch out for the, well, actually people. Because it's like, they just say so much
complete. It's the Brandolini's Law thing where it just takes a huge amount of energy to refute
the bullshit and if they say something fucking dumb like you every single stupid thing that
somebody says about bitcoin has like they're missing entire um you know segments of data
that just cannot be filled in a conversation at the bar or at thanksgiving dinner um it's just
like okay you like the main thing being like you don't fucking understand what money even is in the
first place. And, uh, you know, like nobody's worth talking to if they don't know how actually,
like how money actually works. Um, and then tons, tons of like, I feel like over the years,
there's been this weird desire to like get the suits in because maybe, I don't know. I can
remember a time in my life where I felt very embarrassed about like skipping out on university.
I could have had a very glamorous university career, we could say. And I chose not to do that,
chose to just make my own way. And I think that during that time when I would meet people who did
do the university thing and went down these trails that lead to all these financial instruments,
And is that it was almost like you want their approval for some reason.
It's like you want them to be like, oh, yeah, you were right about the Bitcoin stuff.
But like, dude, you just get so fucking wealthy from the Bitcoin that like it doesn't matter.
Like, do you care about I think in the beginning when you're building, it's like you want like reassurance on your investment or something.
and you think because somebody has a fucking university degree that they actually fucking
know dick about shit but they don't they don't know fucking anything they're programmed with
the keynesian stuff and on top of that especially in canada like all the insane communist propaganda
and yeah i don't know i think just when you're young you want to like prove yourself
into the world and you're looking for all this like supportive feedback um but like one or two
cycles with Bitcoin and like, you know, hopefully, hopefully just the fact that you're, you've 10X
net worth, um, is enough that you don't need to do. Like, I'm really disgusted by the suit simping.
I would like it to stop. Like I'm a, I'm a suits last supporter. Um, I don't, I don't want any old
money coming in into Bitcoin. Um, that, well, old money if earned, earned ethically is fine,
but like i don't want any of that crap here man like all all they do is fucking use big words and
fucking sophisticated complex sounding crap to like sound like they're smarter than you and that
you need to hire them to do something that you could just do for yourself and like all of fiat
obviously is set up to support that um because of how complicated they make it and now you got to
spend like half your time just trying to outrun inflation um but yeah man like suits last like
fuck them they had their time they made all this money and like how money is supposed to work is
that like the person who has the fucking most money is the person who's most valuable to society and
when the government is printing money and the money is broken what happens is the people who
are the least valuable and the most skilled at trickery and deception and fraud basically end
up rising to the top and so like you've got girls going around right now and they'll go out to the
bar and they'll meet a guy who's like an HVAC person and they'll be like, I don't want to talk
to you. But then they meet some guy who's an investment banker, you know, vice president,
right? Because there's fucking a thousand vice presidents at every bank. And, you know,
that guy does not produce anything, right? And so I think all of that is just like totally
societally screwed up. And, you know, my hope is that my focus is to onboard everybody that
supports my life and what I need. So stuff I need to maintain properties, stuff I need to maintain
my home, stuff I need to operate my business, my daily day life. I want all the productive people
to get Bitcoin, understand Bitcoin and save in Bitcoin. Because like, I mean, the road for an
HVAC guy to have a Ferrari collection is like really, really, really difficult. Whereas investment
banking, you just got to suck dick up to a certain point and then it just opens up for you. Right.
And Bitcoin will change that because all it's going to take is like, you know, for one company
to be like, okay, like the HVAC guy or like an auto mechanic shop or any of these things that
actually fucking contribute to civilization to start accepting Bitcoin. All the Bitcoiners will
go to their business because they'll be stoked to be able to like pay for their car with Bitcoin.
and then you know they can sell whatever percentage of it but as long as they're
fucking saving it like that amount of Bitcoin will become the financier for everything that
fucking business and anyone connected to it does in the future and you know that that's who I want
to win right like the heart the heart of civilization like the the core Iron Man heart
of civilization is the entrepreneur. If the entrepreneur is unhealthy, then everything else
collapses, everything fails. And if the entrepreneur is healthy and supported and has an environment
that they can create and build and contribute in, then that's what grows out into civilization.
And Bitcoin is that ship, that ultimate tool for the entrepreneur to put them in a position where
they can conduct business without all of the fucking weight and all of the crap that comes
from the fiat system and also the heavily over-regulated crazy government system.
And, you know, it just frees everything up.
And I'm really excited.
I remember for a long period, like we can look at our world right now and like, it's
incredible what we've been, like capitalism is so fucking powerful.
that like we haven't had it for like a hundred and whatever 25 years or something we haven't had
anything close to like real capitalism since the creation of the fed right and look at what we've
accomplished in spite of that so it's very hopeful because imagine the world when we just fucking
even if like just only 10 percent of the sludge was removed imagine the efficiency like it used
to be year over year over year even in spite of all the crazy shit it was like better and better
and better things got better and then we just kind of hit this point where now like things are getting
worse year over year over year and uh i just can't wait to fucking return and i think it'll be powered
by the i don't think that uh i don't think like the system is gonna change at all because obviously
everybody in it is incentivized for it not to change. I think that entrepreneurs who onboard
and use Bitcoin are just going to build, we're just going to build our own system.
And people will transact in Bitcoin world or they'll transact in fiat world. And just obviously
the world without all of the fucking garbage is going to do way better.
uh first of all fuck yeah um and and second of all i think that that's a a really important point
like because this debate is always about like oh well the the you know the fiat's just like are we
gonna you know fix the we're gonna fix the money uh you know but like and and that'll fix the fiat
system it's like yeah no it's changed the money yeah it's like the money the money's already been
fixed like we already like bitcoin already fixed the money now yeah the fiat system cannot embrace
Bitcoin fully because it would mean the destruction of itself. And as you exactly pointed out, it's
like that won't happen. It won't destroy itself, at least on purpose. And that's why we have this
parallel system of people who just freely and willingly say, yeah, I'm going to accept Bitcoin.
I'm going to value my time, my energy, my labor, my thoughts, my dreams, my hopes. I'm going to
value all of that in Bitcoin. I'm going to denominate it in Bitcoin. And that's how I'm
going to live my life. And the more people that kind of move over to that system, move their time,
move their energy, start thinking in that way, it sucks the energy out of that fiat system.
And like, it's, it's the parallel system that forces, forces change on the existing fiat system.
But again, still the existing fiat system, like it just wants to perpetuate itself. And those who
benefit from it want to perpetuate it. It's going to stay as it is for the foreseeable future.
in the meantime things are gonna get i mean i'm very hopeful in the long term like extremely hopeful
like so bullish on humanity's future in the short term i'm kind of like things are gonna get mega
fucked um and it's gonna be not super pleasant for a lot of people in the world and like you
better make sure you have your house in order and your shit shit on lock and like hopefully you've
got you know you've got some bitcoin you've got some guns and you've got access to fresh water
And like, cause you just don't know what might happen, you know?
Yeah.
And well, I mean like the, either you will, there, there will just be the Bitcoin class
and people who operate on Bitcoin, their lives just will continue to get better and will
continue to get more organized and coordinate better.
Um, and I'll just continue to grow.
And I think on the fiat side, like things are going to get really rough, but, um,
you know, we can just, you can just leave, uh, wherever you are, if you need to,
if you really had to. And, uh, there are places that will become sort of,
you know, the percentage of people that the, the highest percentage of people running Bitcoin
will be the, the places that end up kind of, uh, brain draining and kind of sucking everybody into.
And the more the fiat world kind of blows apart, that'll free up a lot of the state garbage that is preventative of a lot of traveling to different places and things like that.
So it's kind of like I think I think about it like the in Mexico, you have the cartels and the government. And so you have like this balance in a way where neither side really has the monopoly on violence.
and so you have uh everybody has a choice of whether they want to like live in cartel
neighborhoods with paved roads and street lights or if they want to live in government
neighborhoods with potholes and you know crack addicts right and i think it's the same thing for
for bitcoin and and fiat you just the the way i see it the way i hope is that you'll just have a
choice and like it'll be kind of like an elysium thing right which sucks but like hey if you don't
like it in fiat world with one simple trick you can switch over and um so long as you like i think
every single fucking person listening to this show every person in fucking bitcoin
needs to be developing their fucking skills and developing their talents um and developing their
brain and um like you said like we said earlier like get good at providing value and i find a lot
of guys like are like there's a huge push from people who are new to want to get involved and
like do something in bitcoin they want to do something bitcoin related but like if you're
already like a master woodworker and now you want to like leave your job woodworking to go and start
a Bitcoin podcast, like that's probably not a good idea.
Like just get fucking way better at woodworking because for example, I have the intention
to build Madex mansions, crazy fucking wild homes one day.
And I'm going to need talent for that.
I'm going to need fucking super skilled woodworking people to come in or name whatever the trade
is.
and you know especially the name of the game is like in my opinion it's like
you know obviously you want to do something that you that you enjoy and that you care about
but I think when you build a skill in something and you get better and better and better at it that
that makes you care about it and makes you love it like everything I love about myself is the
stuff I'm good at. Everything I hate about myself is the stuff I'm bad at. And I'm just like
constantly trying to, you know, get better at what I'm good at and like not try to worry less about
what I'm, what I'm bad at. Like shipping. Madex, Madex art, 10 stars. Madex customer service,
one star. But you know, I'm working, I'm finding people who can help me like where
I fall short. And anyway, so like my, my summary on that point being like,
whatever it is you're already good at, like, just get fucking better at it. And like,
if you're bored, it probably just means you're not trying.
Honestly, it's, it's good advice. I'm curious to just on the topic of, okay.
Artists, woodworkers, like, which is a form of artisanship, right? Do you think we see a,
does this parallel system that bitcoin has enabled does this uh does this generally force
or encourage a return back to like true artisanship back to a true not just like as a hobby but like
as a profession as a class of people that's like like because i feel like that's like something
we've lost and like we can get into kind of like fiat art a little bit a little bit later which i'd
love to but like do you think we see a return to that like do we see a return to even like
patronage as a to support artists and artisans like is that something we start to see come back
as people amass these large fortunes and say like yo i love what like madex is doing i just want to
give him like some bitcoin no strings attached to like keep doing that like because this is how
like the renaissance like that's what the renaissance was was a bunch of people that
had a fuckload of money saying yo i like this da vinci guy we should give him a shitload of money
so that he can just focus on doing whatever the fuck comes into his mind and that's it and like
he doesn't have to worry about like stupid shit like having a boring job like he can just
make shit like do you think that comes back is it starting to already yeah i it yes it comes back
um i mean fuck send me 100 bitcoins and find out right like it's it's i i have some fucking crazy
you know and i'm building towards it it's going to happen inevitably but um that's what we want
to unlock for for anybody right like the the most common thing we see in fiat is the master
oil painter is working as a clerk in a legal office the you know the the the master fucking
uh carpenter is working as a framer like somebody who can sculpt anything out of fucking wood
to extreme details working framing uh like trailer homes basically at this point that's
all they're building in canada by the way trailer homes um even like the crazy luxury mansions
they're all just stick builds and uh you know like bitcoin makes you think about the future
and it makes you think about being awesome and leaving stuff that's fucking awesome because i
I mean, like, look at what previous generations left for us.
That's fucking incredible.
And like, isn't it exciting to have the potential to do the same?
And, you know, like, when I'm looking to build something just because of what Bitcoin has
done to my mind, I want it to last into the future.
I want it to go to my children.
I want it to be generational.
Like I think – like I really, really, really believe in generational wealth and having something that you care about that you know a hundred years from now, one of your descendants will have like that pocket knife or that backpack and the same thing.
And I think that's really fucking cool.
Like all the stuff – I'm sure everybody feels the same way, I would guess.
Like all the things I value the most are the things I have from my great grandparents, my grandparents, and, you know, particularly since losing my dad, like my dad.
Like my favorite fucking jacket in the whole world is my dad's old jacket, you know?
And there's just like, there's so much value that can go into things from just like the story of life.
And if that thing is shit, then the story goes with the object as well.
Right?
Like, luckily, like the coat I'm particularly thinking about from my dad, like, it was made in a time where this thing was built to fucking last.
And like, it'll last my entire life.
It'll last my future son's entire life.
It will just continue to get passed down year over year over year. And, you know, that is important, I think. I think that something that fiat has really attacked is our heritage and where we came from.
um there's this super disconnect between like us today and our ancestors and it's kind of like
you know instead of thinking about our histories we are on instagram which is an awful waste of um
everything right and uh so i think that the ability and like obviously when especially when
it comes to art like what i'm what i'm selling is the most luxurious fucking item that you could
possibly fucking buy it is the most like of if anything fucking goes wrong in an economy like
art is the first thing that stops getting made um and that's in these boom and busts but like
when we switch to a bitcoin standard we don't have those anymore we just have up and up and up
and up better and better and better and better and more and just like it it if everybody's becoming
wealthier like just imagine the possibilities that are out there like i'm super motivated with
madex for people to see what i'm doing and it lead them to have the courage to develop whatever
their like base talents and abilities are for themselves um because like i make fucking amazing
shit, but like, I also really appreciate amazing shit. And when I look at my own stuff, I don't,
I don't, I don't like it really, you know, like I like it. It's cool. Obviously I'm making it for
myself, but the experience of like, when I meet someone who's making something that's fucking
crazy, you know, I want to be able to, to make acquisitions and do support and I want to support
artists and creators and stuff as well. So I want as many creative people as possible to be well
funded. And I think, I think it's happening across the board. I think that it, it, I think
we're just too early in the Bitcoins right now. I think there'll be like this, um,
moment where the cash will just be like, the value of the coins will just be so fucking crazy
that it'll just start happening. And I'm not really sure we're there yet. I think that like,
even some of the people I know who are like secret billionaires are not spending right now.
They're still in hodl mode, which is great because like I want, I want, you know,
anarcho-capitalists to be the wealthiest people in the world. And so the more wealth that they
can build, the better that is for everybody. But I think that the time is coming at some point where
it'll change and there'll be a lot more investment into the creative side of things.
And also like, it's important to do it fucking now because like if Madex wasn't funded,
then I just wouldn't be here.
I would go and, you know, be working in the fucking oil rigs or something like where I
started.
And thanks to the support I've had in Bitcoin, like I'm able to focus entirely on creating
the best possible fucking artwork that I possibly can and finding people who are insanely talented
and assembling teams and figuring out how to develop stuff and figuring out how to scale
and expand.
And like all of that is done from the support right now, a very small amount of people that
like really believe in what I'm doing and have supported me in kind of the same way
that you've described.
And like if when you see talent in the world, if you don't support it, then you are condemning it.
Because and a lot of the attitude is like, OK, well, I will I'll do this when coins are X amount or whatever.
but like if if you just let all the creatives fucking die then when the time actually comes
and we're at a hundred million dollar coins there's going to be nobody to do the work
right it's like a garden it has to be grown like you know or a crop you have to cultivate it and
water it and grow it over time and like have to ensure that if you want to spend your bitcoin on
really fucking amazing shit in the future like that that's the whole goal i'm assuming hopefully
can't just hodl until you die that would be pretty whack you know it's like to have uh access to
people who have those fucking skills like we talk a lot about when we look into the past and see all
these crazy things that they've made and they're like oh yeah well like with technology today you
can't do that and it's because like we let those trades people die um and that that's really the
huge super mega destroyer when you imagine like the destruction that printing money actually has
on a civilization. It's like not just a loss of wealth. It's a loss of everything that fucking
comes out of wealth, which is the most important asset, human creativity. So I think the change
will happen. Um, I think that anybody who's in that like thousands of coins kind of situation,
uh, call me and, uh, let's fucking make some things happen because you know, the, the,
the more energy I can take in and then allocate, then like the farther all of this can go.
And really success is like this massive, uh, uh, it, it, it's the main driver to get involved in,
in anything. Um, and so like success stories, I think already made X is looking really good and
it's like, okay, well, how did all that start? And it's like, well, it started in Bitcoin. Like
he had a skill, he brought it to Bitcoiners and Bitcoiners invested in him to define and build
and cultivate that skill and get better and better and better. And I want to show the world
that Bitcoin is a place that you can bring your wares and bring your talents and receive support.
and that that's also why i'm like super critical on on stuff that like i have canadian
fucking blood in me so i'm like overly kind but like i would like to get even more ruthless on
things because like my primary message is just like fucking uh do do better and like even if
you're already think you're the best like do better man do more and like level up and scale up
and just, I don't want to give out any praise for stuff that is not reaching like what I see as like
a minimum standard for greatness. And, um, I want to see more, like I, the best possible thing I
could see happening is that like 10 years from now, there's like somebody who's like the new
Madex or something that's making just like totally insane, crazy stuff. Hopefully I can find them and
hire them at Madex before they bust out on their own. That would be fucking sweet. Because that's
ultimately what I want to do is build a team of artists and artisans and creators. Like the long
term goal for Madex is to be like a design firm and be like, okay, we're building this hydroelectric
dam and we want it to reflect how fucking cool it is you know it's not just about making bitcoin
fucking cool it's about making all the things that fucking power are that are we cannot survive
without fucking cool like the oil derrick i love that you know i want i like when you walk to a
a fucking drill site. I want it to feel like a cathedral. Like we should honor the, these things
with the same energy that we put into honoring, uh, you know, honor the motor and honor the gear
and honor the hydroelectric dams and whatever other crazy fucking amazing stuff we build.
Like it should be, I think these tools should be really well respected. And I think right now
they're just the bare minimum because like, um, you know, of all the fiat forces and also like,
you know everything's got to be cost competitive and all that kind of stuff
but when the oil companies become insanely fucking wealthy
because they're converting a lot of their oil profits into bitcoin
why not make the derricks fucking look like cathedral spires right like obviously with
function in in mind as well but like why not have have them have that inspiration
um and i think it's already there like when i go and look at pump jacks and things
Like I just think they're beautiful.
And like when I look at engines, I just think it's just – there's just such spirit in them.
And I would like to see more love and more care put into all of these technologies that drive us.
Brings more people in.
It makes people proud of what they doing I think Let me ask you this is something that I think about a lot which is just like the what is downstream versus upstream of what
But in the context I want to talk to you about, it's like when it comes to art versus culture, like is art upstream of culture?
You know, does the art create the culture?
Does the culture create the art?
how do you look at this as somebody who is an artist?
Like I feel like you are uniquely positioned to speak on this with some authority.
How do you view that?
Well, like we need each other.
Fair.
And, you know, I think the culture,
like the culture fuels the art because like it generates patrons for the artisans and the creators.
And then the art itself like inspires more people to be involved.
Do you think the art is a rejection of culture though?
Like it's a reject like like a lot of what like what you do, the art you create is a rejection of fiat culture.
it's a like it's the complete opposite like is is that part of the equation as well like the maybe
like the culture can fuel the art but also the art can be a complete rejection of that culture
you know do you know what i mean like it yeah because that's when i look at your art i'm like
it says fuck fiat to me like and i love that yeah thank you yeah it's um
i mean i think that people just like the thing about capitalism is that it's natural
it's just what happens it's it's just it's just emergent from what we are um and but the the the
problem with capitalism for people who are bullish on slavery and global domination
is that it makes that impossible.
And, you know, the...
It's been extremely well-financed, which is, like, why I think it's become so strong.
But it's not fucking natural, right?
Like, these commies, like, we give them all a fucking hard time.
But at the end of the day, like, why they're such losers is because they're not reaching their potentials.
They're not becoming who God wants them to be.
and they're using every possible thing as an excuse to be the reason why they can't fulfill
themselves and like the answer is that fulfillment and you know walking the path to become
yourself is hard, really hard work. It's really, it's a, it's an odyssey. It's the odyssey,
right? It's difficult and it's taxing and it's painful and it's, you know, at what,
no matter where you are in civilization, like if you're walking that path coming from nothing or
from a wealthy family or whatever it is, it's hard and it takes courage to like, to answer
the call.
And because everything that the state and fiat does is to stimulate dependency, you
know, it's really, it just makes it, the whole system is set up to make it easy to
like, uh, not reach higher and, um, you know, creating the life that you want to live
is made entirely possible, uh, with capitalism. And, um, I think just because like really what
happened is we lost control. Like I'll say we capitalists lost control of the money.
And that's why we ended up in this situation. Um, but now control is back and it's set up.
Like if the founding fathers had Bitcoin, we would be living in a completely fucking different world
than we are today, you know? And, uh, we can just like, okay, we, we, like with everything you try
and then you make a mistake and then you try again and then you make a mistake and you learn
and it's not failure unless you're learning, even though it's painful, right? It's like, okay,
USA, like the, what I'll say, America, like what it means to be American. Um, we can just try that
again and this time with bitcoin um and so you know like what i want to do is just all all of my
art and all the work i do with bull to just push america as like the dream that like
you know make makes you emotional
and get rid of all this other crap man like nobody should be living in that fucking box
amen and like i mean this is coming from a canadian too so you know you you know it's it's not just one
of us uh brainwashed americans saying it but like man i i fucking love talking to you first of all
because like your passion is evidently like real your art is real as fuck anybody who's seen it and
if you if you're listening to this and you haven't checked out made it's his art like please go do so
because it will make you feel something.
Like this is what the world needs more of.
Like it needs more of that, like that fire
and that absolute 100% refusal to compromise.
Because I feel like that's what fiat forces a lot.
It forces compromise, right?
Well, I'll just, I have to do this
because this is just the way things are done.
Or I have to do that because, well, if I don't,
I'll get in trouble.
And it's like all of these things
that just go against our nature
as free beings.
And my hope is that Bitcoin brings some of that back.
And I think you're right about this American idea, right?
This or idea or ideal, whichever way you want to slice it.
Like it is something that's really powerful
and it was infectious, right?
It was really like once it caught hold of people,
they couldn't help it.
Like this freedom is like the,
well, I should say America was an incredible meme.
It was a strong meme.
Bitcoin is arguably a stronger meme in many ways
because it's global in real time.
The meme of America was not global in real time.
It eventually was.
It eventually became so, but it took some time to propagate.
We didn't have the information channels that we did.
Now we do.
and it's like bitcoin is everywhere all at once that's super fucking powerful yeah and it's like
we have this like i i you know there's always that question like oh you know uh was i i feel
like i was born in the wrong the wrong generation or the right like i don't feel like that at all
i feel like my god how lucky i am to be alive right now to have to at this brief window this
super brief window where we get to like be part of bitcoin becoming itself like how lucky are we
yeah like well and like when you say like the meme that the meme of bitcoin it's like um
you know like the united states has done a lot of really fucking insane shit uh in the name of like
bringing freedom and democracy right but um like we know that democracy is a scam but like the
like what um uh america like
was pushing out into the world um as as like this capitalist based way of life
that creates civilization and allows civilization to thrive at the highest degree
that's what bitcoin's achieving right now uh internationally and even just the idea like what
the original american idea and the way i see it is that um doesn't matter who you are where you're
from what what and like nothing about uh your class will say matters what matters is your
dedication to your craft. And that's what we celebrate here. And now that that that's been
like, it's the actual unleashing of it on the whole world, which is that is what I think Bitcoin
is, that is the culture that is developing around Bitcoin is that same idea that doesn't matter who
you are, where you're from, anything about you, what matters is the quality of your character,
and your dedication to your craft
and your contribution of value to the world.
And so now we look at the earth
and everywhere there's electricity,
we have the ability to transact with Bitcoin
and we have mining happening
and we have, because, huge surprise,
people want and wish to be free.
and you know the power in that obviously is like inconceivable um and you know it's taking time and
it's going slowly and like again like people who produce create nothing getting involved
doesn't fucking uh change anything right it's the people who actually fucking shape the world
and do the building and the entrepreneur that matters.
Like the Bitcoins need to go to the entrepreneurs
and the Bitcoins need to go to the financiers
that are willing to finance entrepreneurs.
The Bitcoins should not be going to fucking giant Ponzi's,
giant schemes, giant derivatives, instruments,
you know, all that fintech jargon.
Like that doesn't achieve anything.
What achieves something is that the people who make life better are funded and funded to the degree that they've earned and deserve.
I think part of that too is like that is what is happening and will happen naturally.
And a lot of the financialization, let's say, of Bitcoin was inevitable.
Like on the one side, like this was inevitable that the suits would come.
It was inevitable that the governments would come because that is a symptom of Bitcoin being successful.
Of course, everybody wants it.
It's the best fucking, it's the only real money that has ever existed.
It is the best fucking money, however you want to say it.
Like Bitcoin is the paradigm shift.
If it was a loser, if it was Ethereum, if it was whatever other shit coin, then no, people wouldn't be flocking to accumulate as much as they can of it.
Right?
But Bitcoin is winning.
And so, of course, necessarily everyone from the individual to the family to the community to the retirement fund to the corporation to the nation state, they are all going to want to acquire Bitcoin.
Now, at that same time, like those institutions which are not productive, like and the government is, for example, is not a productive institution.
It cannot be.
It only has what it has because it exerts force.
And we can argue about, well, what is the true purpose of government?
I take the view of Bastia, which is that the purpose of the state is to enforce the law.
The purpose of the law is to organize for the collective defense of private property.
That's the only purpose it serves, is to protect private property.
And we know that our governments have become plunderers.
They've become vampires.
They've become parasites that steal the private property of their citizens under the threat of violence.
and then now they're realizing well we can we can use that to acquire more bitcoin and by the way we
print money out of thin air wow what a what a what a game this is you know but but i think in the long
in the long arc of history the value still accrues to the people who create value like it it it must
unless and i like i think that you know in the fiat system that's not the case but now we don't
just have the fiat system we have bitcoin as well if we didn't have bitcoin we would honestly but
we'd probably both be very nihilistic but we have bitcoin so like we have some hope well it's a
peaceful option right like if we didn't have bitcoin i'm pretty sure every single bitcoiner
would be in some sort of spinoff of like ira right like we'd be strapping up because there
There would be actually no choice.
There would be no escape from the fiat system other than violence.
And like Bitcoin is the only peaceful way out.
And like the major change with all these institutions and all these like fiat constructed people and companies and governments and all this crap.
is they can make the shift and they can start running Bitcoin.
And they'll have to at some point.
And there's going to be a lot of really horrible communists
that have a lot of fucking Bitcoin.
And a lot of fiaters that have a lot of Bitcoin.
But the fundamental change is that now,
when running Bitcoin, there are consequences to mistakes.
And so that's obviously the major benefit of fiat
is that there's no consequences to anything.
And if you're in that top class,
there's no consequence to misallocation of funds in government.
There's no consequence to misallocation of funds in private companies that are big enough that they are, you know, essentially owned by the state.
So, yeah, a lot of these institutions are going to end up with a lot of Bitcoins.
But the thing is, is that the unfair preservation of that wealth will no longer exist.
Because somebody somewhere in one of those places is going to make a fucking mistake.
And they're going to lose the money.
And there's going to be no government to print them out of the mistake.
And that is the most fucking exciting thing.
and why I don't stress at all
if governments are buying Bitcoin.
I don't want it.
It would be better if they didn't.
But on a long enough timeline,
somebody somewhere will fuck up
and then that government company individual
will go bankrupt
and they'll have to start over.
Exactly how it's fucking supposed to be.
If you make good decisions,
you're supposed to do better in life.
And if you make bad decisions,
you're supposed to fail.
and um finally uh we're gonna have some fucking consequences and some fucking failures
and um you know even in terms of like like in bitcoin we're talking a lot about generational
wealth and like preserving wealth into the future and all that kind of stuff
the bitcoin is just one part of that fucking equation you also have to
create a family structure that ensures that the heirs will learn and earn the responsibility of
protecting the wealth and i don't like in my bloodline if i don't do a good job of setting up
my sons with a family structure, somebody somewhere is going to fuck up. And then all the wealth that
I've worked so hard to create will be gone. As we've seen, you know, for example, with Vanderbilt
or like many of these old American families that used to be so wealthy,
they just didn't have the structures in place. And with like Rockefeller and these guys who are
all tied in with, you know, like the governments enable, they create monopolies, right? They're
the only reason, like monopolies don't exist in true free markets because eventually somebody
will just take you out because they'll have a better product or better everything. Like it's
just a constant war. And it's really the government that like in the name of preventing monopolies
that creates all of these monopolies. And a lot of these super old money families have had the
benefit of being on the right side of those regulatory protections. And in the future,
something scary for us to think about with our own families is we won't have regulatory protections
to help preserve the wealth into the future. So it's really going to come down to like,
what is the system that you design and put in place to ensure that like,
that your son will be able to handle the responsibility of wealth and will be able to
transfer that responsibility to his son, to the next one, to the next one, to the next one.
So we get into this whole new area of constructive thinking around the way a family is put together,
which I find extremely exciting.
um so that the the long circle back on all of that is that like you know there will be
consequences in the future because if you fuck up with bitcoin there's nobody to bail you out
and that will make the world a better place in in every way it'll make families stronger
it'll make businesses stronger it'll make governments what what hopefully uh smaller
and also the stronger, right?
And hopefully put them in a position
where they actually operate like a private enterprise
and they understand that their product
is providing a safe environment
and as you said,
the protection of private property for their citizens.
And we're gonna see,
I think the whole world's gonna explode
into lots of really small micro countries.
And it'll kind of be back to that board
of like alliances and deals
and this, that, and the other, but it'll all be just like the violence.
Bitcoin extracts the violence of cooperate, like the violence from and forces cooperation.
I should say that better.
Like Bitcoin encourages cooperation and extracts the violence from any situation of negotiating,
Which is really fucking exciting because it's really hard to build when there's like buildings exploding and fucking stuff being destroyed.
Like we want to avoid destruction at all costs and focus on creating.
Hear, hear.
And we also all need to – Bitcoiners need to basically preserve generational wealth like the Rothschilds.
you know like that like that's an the talk about old money feel like fuck they did it well like
let me put you know one of my sons in each of these countries to run one of their banks and
that way no matter who wins the war at least we don't we still got a we don't we banked both sides
so it's all good and like you know but except bitcoiners are like not going to be bankrolling
the wars it's like so it's a slightly different paradigm but like boy you know rothschilds they
sure they knocked it out of the park on that one like still just insane like the wealthy to the
point where you most people don't know who they are you know like yeah which is kind of what
bitcoiners want if we're being honest without all the other fucked up shit yeah that's true i mean
like they they would they i mean they succeeded because of violence right now that was yes
undoubtedly and so the future for future for us bitcoiners what we have to think about is like okay
How do we build the same kind of wealth protections and security and – with violence no longer being a tool?
That's hard to conceptualize, right?
It's really exciting. Really hard.
But it's hard too. Like it's hard because like we've been trained in this fiat system.
We've like – we have been trained and ingrained like this is what we – like it's the air we breathe.
It's the water we swim in.
This is just what it is.
And to be able to take a step back and say, but it doesn't have to be this way.
It doesn't have to be that we just keep printing money to finance wars in deserts halfway around the world that none of us give a shit about.
And then creating more enemies out of those wars because, you know, we bombed the shit out of their whole family.
And now they're going to be strapping a bomb to their chest later in life and coming back.
Like we can stop that because that's not productive.
That's ultimately only possible because of parasitism.
That's the only reason it's possible.
Yeah.
And like we,
it's just crazy because like,
I also,
I'm,
I'm of the opinion,
like,
boy,
we just need to like,
give it another decade.
And a lot of these problems start to fix themselves because a lot of the
people that are in power now have peacefully passed on to the next life.
And like,
there are just so many old fucking evil people in the world right now who run
most of the shit.
and I wish them long and happy lives.
But when they eventually make their, you know,
pass on to the other side, when they cross the river Styx,
I will not shed a tear.
And I think that that's when we see a lot of actual change.
Because I think us younger generations, we're fucking sick of it.
We're fucking sick of it.
Yeah, super sick of it.
Super sick of it.
And like, you know, the game has changed, right?
Like really like what Rothschilds
and all these other big families did is they just like rinsed and repeated
strategies from the past because without, you know,
the name of the game has always been to kind of get control over the money.
And that's what we saw in the collapse of Rome, obviously the best example.
And, but now, now like it's a new game.
It's fully, it's fully new.
All the strategies to win are completely different.
and um so it's we don't know what it'll look like it'll be a completely fucking different world but
none of like the power structures are going to operate in the same way that they have been
um and i think that and as i said earlier like and most of us who have been here long enough
understand like now the most powerful piece on the board is creativity
it used to be violence and now it it's ideas um and that just unlocks like the total the full
potential i think of all of mankind let me ask you uh this is something i i uh wanted to get
into with you and i think this is a good time to do it just speaking of the this creativity piece
you are an incredibly talented artist you have not uh you have not sold your soul to
show nfts or anything you make physical real art uh you're a fucking badass dude if i do say so
myself and you also thank you you're welcome i mean thank you for what you do man because i think
like we need more people doing this right we need more people who are uncompromising in what they do
and who make real things.
I'm really curious where you see AI play in this.
Like, is this something that you mess around with
in what you do?
Because you obviously create a lot of,
like, different types of art, right?
You create a lot of different composite works
and all these different things.
Like, you leverage a lot of different mediums,
you know, everything from massive, you know,
massive painted pieces to, you know,
beautiful pieces of jewelry and everything in between.
Is this something that you leverage at all?
is this something that you also worry about at all in terms of sapping the
creativity out of a generation?
Because I think like AI is it's,
it's a tool like anything,
right?
It's like a gun.
You can use it for good things.
You can use it to,
to procure food for your family,
or you can use it for not good things.
Like how do you see,
how do you look at AI as an artist,
as a maker,
as a real creator?
How did,
how do you look at it?
Well, I think it's great, and the reason is because it raises the standards for everything.
And it also is a marker for what's important.
because the amount of resources required to create something that
is not AI is so much greater.
It means that whoever is pushing that into the world
has to care about it that much more.
um
like
how the AI works
is
you can
have
the most sophisticated
manufacturing
possibility
in the like
conceivable you can have the most
you can have the ability
to make fucking anything
you can build that
we've got the tools
making the tools, tools are getting better and better
the hard part is
what do we make?
what do I make?
like if I, like what I'm working on
at Madex is I want the
fucking, like
when you start your shit and then
you get a little bit better and you get a little bit
better and you get a little bit better and like the better you get the more you're able to bring
capital capital into your environment and the capital allows you to improve your tools that
you have access to and also improve your own skills and it allows you to grow so you kind of
have to like the way i see it like the most the most sophisticated laser engravers in the world
costs like 50,000 US dollars.
And you got to like,
your ideas is what earns you the right
to use that machine
to be able to create with it.
So the AI is like,
all the inputs have to come from somewhere
and it's only as useful
as like the mind that's driving it.
Right. Like. It's just it's no different than like a pen sitting there or a hammer and chisel sitting there or a rifle or, you know, any any other tool.
It's like what what matters behind it is the idea.
and so what i see ai doing is it's just gonna make original content that much more valuable
and it's gonna force uh every because we're gonna be in this like creative period where i think like
probably i would guess for the next 10 years you know like like creation in the first place like
what I do is I have inputs from everywhere, from my day-to-day interactions, from the people in my
life, from the information I consume, from the books I read, from the movies I watch, from the
places I go, from the conversations I have. And I just take all of those inputs and then I like
mix them up and then put something else out. So we're all just kind of taking in, I think,
the process of creating is you're just taking in information and then you're reworking it and then
putting it out and then you're just iterating on that and like right now that's exactly what ai is
doing it's just taking all of the resources available on the internet and then it's just
based off of your prompts it's putting them together to try and like give you what what you
want um which can save a lot of time and which can help manifest a lot of ideas so i think we're
going to see like a huge amount of just really cool stuff done and but it'll all just kind of be
reworking what has existed for a long time and like what's available on the internet. And that
like eventually, eventually everything that we see coming out of AI will be like old in a way,
right? So it's going to require somebody making something and actually feeding that data into the
AI, which by the way, I glossed over it for the sake of explaining the point is going to happen
And all the way along the road, people are going to come up with new stuff and be feeding it constantly.
So it'll be constantly able to create.
But it's like the point being is that it requires the input inputs and it requires the ideas of what to make.
And that up to us And so I think it just make whoever has the best ideas just do that much better which is what we need we need a con we need the ideal situation is a competition of ideas of what
makes the world a better place and then we vote with our money on which ideas are the best and
the ideas that are good survive and the ideas that don't don't survive and we just continue to grow
So I think it's really exciting.
And I see it, as I said, it's just a tool.
What matters is the driver in the same way as money is just a tool.
Like you can have 100 million bucks.
What do you do with it?
You can have a huge amount of processing power in AI.
Okay, so how are you using it?
What are you doing with it?
But AI doesn't turn a retard into a genius, put a different way.
It's like retard in, retard out.
That's what you're going to get.
Amplified, much more verbose retard perhaps, but retard nonetheless.
And all that retardation is going to broadcast and there's going to be an insane amount of retarded shit.
We're already seeing how much retarded shit there is.
which makes when you discover something sick that much more fucking valuable and that much
fucking cooler so i think it's fucking really good for anyone who's doing like
real work who's doing really serious work because garbage garbage garbage garbage garbage garbage
holy fuck like it it just it's so clear that it's something that uh and it's a signal that
It's something somebody cares about.
Cares about enough to – like that was way back when I started doing the Bitcoin art.
I thought it was a great broadcast signal because when the normie person sees the dedication to the artwork and it's all honoring this Bitcoin thing, that that would be like a bridge for them to take it more seriously and be like – and reveal that like really the killer app of Bitcoin.
is that like I would give my life for its success.
Like full stop.
And being able to like communicate that to someone who's like,
oh, what is it?
You know, like in the mess of everything in the world
and then being like, wait a minute,
like all these people are ready to die for this thing.
It must be serious.
And yet so many are still asleep.
They're waking up slowly though.
they're yeah well you know netflix is like a ten dollar a month subscription so
fuck man you know i i want to uh i want to be conscious of your time here because i didn't
even notice we've been ripping for like 95 minutes already which like time flies when you're having
fun um i i did want to ask you just like a little bit about just the the your take on kind of like
fiat art like that this like i think it's pretty clear for anybody who has gone down the bitcoin
rabbit hole maybe some tangential rabbit holes that like yeah the reason that like like there's
a shitload of money laundering like actual money laundering in the art market in the fiat art
market not like uh the money laundering elizabeth warren accuses you know shadowy super coders of
but like actual money laundering by like a, a cartel of operators,
essentially like, how, how, how do you look at that?
Is that something that just like,
you just kind of ignore at this point or is that something that like,
does that have an impact on, on your work?
If like you've also, you like,
you have to resist that siren song of like, yeah, well, okay.
My painting, you know,
this guy wants to value my painting at this much for like this reason and
then resell to it. Like, I don't know.
It just seems like it's all such a like a – the fiat art market is kind of a gross business.
Is that fair to say?
Yeah.
I mean it's just – it's evolved to serve fiat, right?
It's this gray area where who are you to say what this is worth?
And I don't really think – I don't think about it too much.
Like I really want to get into – you can kind of think about like the whole market as like in the core, there's all that – like in the center, there's all this like really aggressive criminal activity happening.
and
when I say criminal activity
I mean like criminal in the eyes
of the government
because
right like
it's not
really criminal activity in a way
like I think like being
striving for tax efficiency I don't
believe that that's criminal activity I think that's
just trying to not be robbed
not get fucked repeatedly
every single year by the state
Yeah, so it's a difficult thing to like – but then on the edges, there is like – there's the reality of it, which is that like this painting I have here, this is one of one.
There will never be another one that ever exists.
and I think just as humans we like to have things that are rare obviously like our entire lives are
like a push for scarcity and in the face of fiat money the one of ones become kind of even that
like the everything we understand about bitcoin scarcity applies to art like there will be a
supply cap on Madex. Like, I will die. And, you know, the artworks that I've facilitated the
production of will not continue. However, I'm trying to set this up like a fashion house so
that I can eventually pass, like, my artistic lead role onto somebody else who can then perpetuate
it into the future. But the particular works from this era, like, each one comes with a block number
and that's the only one, right? So obviously when money is broken, a lot of things that are not
money start to become money. And art is one of these kind of great stores of value for a lot of
reasons in the fiat world. But like, I think the main thing that I realized that was a little bit
discouraging on my own journey is that I actually thought it was possible to sell like a $50 million
dollar painting as like an entrepreneur and like you and have a painting that sells for 50 million
and it'd be like i actually am buying this because i love the art and it's one of one
um but then i kind of realized it's all it's all like a club and i'm not in it and probably never
will be in it because the people who are running the club are also you know pulling all the levers
in the fiat world, right?
You're not Hunter Biden, you mean, with his incredible art.
Yeah.
So, you know, I want to get into the fiat art markets a million percent
because on that outer ring, it is actually people who are looking
for really awesome stuff and they want to buy things as a store of value
and all that.
And I think I have the goal, which is very difficult to reach, but I have the goal that Madex Art can outperform Bitcoin on a long enough timeline.
And so right now I'm looking at getting into gallery distribution and trying to find dealers that will represent me.
What people may not know about the art world is that it works very much like the music business.
You have like producers and labels and all that kind of stuff, except they're dealers and their galleries.
And, you know, I want to expand out because I want people – I want it to be the work to be a Trojan horse into Bitcoin.
I also want to be better financed and I want – you know, I want it to be able to buy lots of Bitcoin in the bear markets.
Amen.
So I don't know if I'm really like giving a clear answer talking.
It's kind of it's a difficult thing to speak about because it's like.
It all kind of just has this function, which depending on how you look at it is good or bad.
And depending on who's doing it is good or bad.
and uh the one thing for sure is that the degradation of quality in art um comes from
when when when all the art prices started going crazy all the dealers and galleries they basically
just had a shortage of good art but there was huge demand and so they were just finding people
who made anything because it was like it didn't the the actual art didn't actually matter because
it had become sort of a financial instrument.
And so the name of the game for the galleries and dealers were to just find anybody who
was good enough at all and prop them up to be able to do all this kind of financial chicory.
Damn, this is my chance to be a shitty fiat artist.
I mean, you still probably can, but I think like one of the main requirements is you got
to go to Epstein Island and things like that.
That would be my guess.
I'm out on that.
I'm definitely out on that.
And, you know, but but also like art getting shittier everywhere is like a demoralizing thing.
It helps like the communist agenda.
And then obviously in with with no time horizon, the incentive is to have things produced as quickly as possible for as cheaply as possible and making something look better.
Like you could argue doesn't really matter when the money in your fucking account is dissolving.
um so yeah i think hate beautiful things communism must kill beauty like if beauty exists
communism will not will not thrive for like communism never succeeds but it may thrive
thrive for a short time but that's only possible when they destroy beautiful things and create
brutalist disgusting inhuman aberrations and the and the reason they they want they
they end up wanting to destroy is because they just stopped trying basically.
Which I think is the most awful thing that can happen to a person is whatever they're doing,
you know, and that's what the whole fiat system is set up for is like, it's impossible to get ahead.
So at some point you just stop trying and then you start to resent all the people who were able to
move forward. But I believe the environment that will come from Bitcoin will just make it that much
easier for people to thrive in whatever skill it is that they have. And also, I mean, the obvious
thing is that market signals will be accurate. So you won't accidentally invest your life savings
into something that the market doesn't want because you're looking at incorrect data that's
coming from totally irrational stocks or other totally irrational information.
So a free market just means that resources are allocated properly.
And the fiat market distorts all of that allocation.
And also central planning distorts that.
And anything collectivist, communist distorts that.
It means that we end up with way more wood than we need rock, you know, or way more rock than we need wood.
Like, it's just always wrong.
So, yeah, I mean, like, I think that I have a lot clearer answers when talking about fiat art in person.
And lately I've been, you know, I was really bitter about it for a while.
But now I just kind of see the whole thing as like an attempt to protect wealth.
and I'm in favor of that.
I don't think that wealth should be stolen.
No, honestly, you always surprise me, Maddox.
That is a very nuanced view for somebody who is in this field.
I also want to ask, so there was a question on Noster from somebody else
who I assume is an aspiring artist, Tim Ridley Art.
if you've got art in the handle, I'm just guessing you're a, you know,
you're, you're an artist and he, and he wanted to ask you, he said, question,
do you have any suggestions for artists trying to grow an audience?
I just started on Noster recently. Awesome, dude. That's me adding a side note,
but that's great, dude.
Are there any things you did when you were starting out with sharing work
online? Sick art, by the way, man, there was a comma man there.
I read that really weirdly, but yeah.
Just fucking get better.
Like just get better at whatever it is you're trying to do.
The anchor of it all is just the skill and developing the skill to be able to produce whatever it is that your vision is.
And wherever you lack in skill, finding people who can come in and fill the space to accomplish whatever the goal is.
um the thing is is that like really what it all comes down to it is marketing
and that's really hard work but one thing that can make it a lot fucking easier is if the artwork
is just fucking undeniable um and i like objectively beautiful work um and so
I think like in terms of
growing reach
the most important thing
and I'm like speaking I haven't seen anything you're working
on who knows but like are you
fucking proud of what you're putting out
and is what
you're putting out something that you will hang
in your own house and feel good about
when like people come over
and just get
better at like reaching whatever
that is for yourself
because the rest of it is just so much harder
if you haven't mastered your skills.
So I think that would be the advice I give to anybody
who's working on something.
It's just like, just fucking get really fucking good
at what you're doing.
And at any cost, go apprentice under somebody,
go you know and and like don't have to rush into like being um the brand right away you can work
under other you can work in other companies you can work for other artists you can um find a way
to like develop and improve your skills and it fucking takes time and it's hard it's really
you know I don't want to be discouraging but like it's fucking really really hard um like
I've been doing this pretty well all my life and seriously for like 13 as a serious commitment for
13 years now and you know there it's just fucking difficult so be ready for that you know and uh
The thing is, you've got to really want it, too.
You've got to really, because you're never going to outwork anyone who really loves and cares about what they're doing if your heart's not fully in it.
And, you know, like the thing, I think a lot of people get started into art because they think it's like an easy way to do it.
Because in theory, like when you talk about it in theory, it all like just kind of is very hopeful.
But the reality is, is that it's like insanely competitive, insanely difficult.
And you have to master your fucking skills while also operating a fucking business.
And yeah, it's just fucking difficult.
So like my advice to anybody is like do whatever you're already good at to build as much fucking Bitcoins as you possibly can.
And either like through that pursuit of excellence in that field, you can find love in that area of work or just build up enough capital to then be able to like make the swap over and put yourself in a position that Bitcoin can finance you over the years.
that you have to, you know, struggle.
I mean, it's good advice.
Last thing I'll ask you, which is another question from the chat
from my friend Avi Burra, who was just on this show a couple days ago.
Avi, don't worry, I'll release the episode soon.
He was wondering, when secession for, presumably for Alberta,
any thoughts?
Yeah.
I mean, it's looking promising, but I feel like kind of the same way as when you, you know, believing that like the stripper is actually into me and maybe wants to like have dinner tomorrow.
It's the sort of kind of same lead up, right?
and uh you know it's looking really good but i i'm bearish on the actual separation
happening which is like i shouldn't be publicly stating it but i'll just be honest because
there's trillions of fucking dollars at stake like i don't think anybody on the outside
understands how fucking rich alberta has the potential to be and even if we do everything
fucking properly
the federal government's just gonna say no
and it doesn't matter
whether it's lawful or legal
what people have to understand is when you get to a certain
fucking level of numbers
it's all
Pablo Escobar
like when you're at a certain level
there's no
fucking due process
or fucking anything, it's wild west
when you get into big fucking numbers.
And so that's what it'll come down to.
I think at the end of the day,
it'll come down to everything being done properly,
everything being done legally,
everything good to go.
We're fucking leaving.
We're going to be independent in Alberta.
And then Ottawa will just say no
and then back that with violence.
and so alberta has to have a plan for what to do when that happens and uh historically
because this isn't the first time that separation has really charged up
uh historically when the feds say no uh we just say okay well thank you for your time
and go back to getting ass railed year over year over year and having the fucking futures of our
children destroyed and the futures of present families eradicated by this fucking behemoth
abuser of a state power and uh until you know something else happens but i will say on a brighter
side that this is the best setup we've ever had and that alberta is polling not that you can trust
polls but at 40 in favor of separation with no leadership and no party um so you know that the
thing that could be really amazing is that uh some sort of napoleon figure emerges from alberta
to really say fuck you and really back that.
You know, what I would like to do if I had more time
is just go and meet with every single fucking oil company
and be like, just stop paying them.
Just fucking stop.
All of you guys just stop, you know,
and take the budget from fucking eight months,
take the money that we get,
because it's billions of dollars that we send to the East.
like Alberta pays for every single fucking thing in Canada.
And,
you know,
unfortunately it's like,
take all that money.
And then,
you know,
the only option I see is like private military contractors hired to defend
Alberta against the Canadian government.
And,
you know,
another thing is like,
we really need ally,
like ultimately like in a,
that's like a pipe dream,
I think,
but the,
the realistically,
like the real scenario is we need we need Trump slash the United States to support an independent
Alberta and to maybe see the potential of having a Monaco Andorra style country just attached to
the border of the United States and support that and be like okay well Alberta is going to be like
the Monaco of America. And we're willing to back that and we're willing to back it with the military.
Because that's the only, I mean, like every instance in history of any sort of fun rebellion,
the Canadian government has just stamped it out with violence. And
violence that also is not always public, which is like, if you go to a protest in Canada,
you'll see the cops have video cameras.
So there's all like the riot cops.
And then there's just guys with camcorders.
And they're just creating lists.
and then like once all the drama is passed and the protest it then they just go after each person
individually one by one and ruin their fucking lives so it's really insidious it's like a giant
and then like i said on a huge scale it's like this fucking there's an insane amount of money at
stake and so like the answer in fiat world is there that that means there's this insane amount
of potential violence. And yeah, I mean, the only, the only way that it's going to happen is if
somebody somewhere backs it with, with might, with, with violence. Otherwise it's just not
going to happen. So pretty real situation. Like a lot of other people would probably be more,
you know, due process, all this kind of stuff. But I just kind of see the world as like,
we've never actually really left like the kingdoms format. And, you know, the other huge
problem we have here is that everybody leaves. Anybody with any fucking intelligence leaves.
Anyone who wants to make a fortune leaves, right? Anyone who wants to be a part of sophisticated
military leaves. You go and become American and join the fucking Navy SEALs. Like we don't,
we don't have any of that here.
So it's pretty interesting,
you know,
but,
and then the bullish side is that like really,
you know,
maybe it's true that all you need is a thousand men with air 15s and pickup
trucks and you can change the world.
I'd like to believe so,
you know,
like as long as they're powered by Bitcoin,
right?
A thousand dudes with AR 15s and pickup trucks and Bitcoin that,
that packs a pretty big punch well dude manix this has been a this has been a treat man um is
there anything we didn't cover anything else you want to get out there that uh we didn't get a
chance to go over yet if not she'll tell people where to find you tell people where to find your
art tell people what you got coming up next whatever you want yeah i mean um i got a ton
of original work coming out of the studio and, uh, I'm just like leveling everything up.
So have a new format, really expensive originals, and then, um, a print system, super HD prints.
So you can see the stuff that I'm releasing. Um, I've got the jewelry lines coming together,
really cool stuff. It's much better to see it in person. Um, and I would just say that like,
back the things that you want to see continue to exist in the world.
And if what I'm up to and if what I'm doing is one of those things,
don't hesitate to spend 0.3 Bitcoin on a painting
because it perpetuates this whole project forward,
this whole mission and this whole signal.
And this is a moment in history that will echo for eternity.
And this is a way to be a part of it.
And I'm grateful for everything that's led me to this point.
And I'm extremely bullish and excited about everything coming in the future.
just amplification. And I think the whole, I mean, there's all kinds of drama within Bitcoin,
but I think overall we're winning, doing really well. And start running knots is a major thing.
It's a small contribution that you can make. And what else do I have to add?
Bull Bitcoin is international now. So if you're in Europe, we can facilitate transactions at any
scale. Same with Mexico, Costa Rica, and obviously Canada, where we started. And being a client of
Bull means also that you're furthering the development of Bitcoin because the talent of
our engineering team is just like we're building the bridges and the infrastructure that is then
rinsed, duplicated, and copied by everybody else. And we're very happy and willing to do that
because obviously like we say internally at Bull that our mission is to make ourselves irrelevant.
So we're an exchange-based service. So the goal is to make it so that we don't have a business
anymore other than just like you know developing engineering products and you know doing finding
new ways to do things but we want to uh extinct the exchange side of our business and bring the
world help usher the world and onto a bitcoin standard love that uh we need a little bit of
bull bitcoin in america too though you know just just just saying uh yeah next uh territorial
expansion perhaps yeah i think it's uh definitely on the map obviously a lot of challenges with the
united states it's not as free as it claims to be but um you know but our goal is to just yeah it can
be our goal is just to enable people to live a bitcoin life transact with bitcoin on a daily
basis and just have as little friction as possible to interact with the fiat world as we go through
this transition and i also have this painting right here which is about to go to the framers
man anyway it's a beaut it's a beaut i'm bad at chilling but dude no no i i'll uh i'll drop your
links in the in the show notes highly encourage everybody to go check out your stuff appreciate
your time, man. Thank you. This was a love chatting with you as always. And next time let's do this
in person. We'll make it happen. Maybe I'll, I'll, I'll come up to your neck of the woods,
see what the free state of Alberta looks like. Yeah. I'd love to have you here. We're probably
doing the Bitcoin rodeo again next year, which was a huge success this year and a lot of independent
Alberta conversations and topics there. But yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you in person,
and doing an in-person one would be great.
And I think I'm about to like the whole project,
both at Bull and at Madex, is about to really level up.
So I think the content and the conversations
are just going to keep getting more and more exciting.
So thank you very much for your time, Walker.
This is great.
Dude, you are welcome back anytime.
Great to see you, man.
And thanks to everybody who joined in on Noster, too.
in your small part.
You are helping to further the mission of freedom
from this fiat fuckery.
So cheers to you, brother,
and cheers to everybody who listened in.
Cheers.
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