Quantum all of a sudden just out of nowhere and then Epstein stuff's dropping like all these things are happening where it's like
I just don't know if a lot of Bitcoiners understand the war that's really actually happening.
I think it just takes things getting really really bad for most people to wake up.
And so now you've built this this house or this economic system in this country on top of sand or quicksand.
You can't have honest society from dishonest money just like you can't have good fruit from a bad tree.
It's not red versus blue, it's the state versus you.
homework is there to control the children outside of the state's reach and it's to control them so
they can't go talk to their based uncle walker at seven o'clock at night because guess what they're
doing homework thinking that this is gonna be easy like government's gonna come in and like
it's gonna adopt it as legal tender the game's over that ain't how life works bitcoin is the
first money again in my belief it's the first money we've ever had we're now off in this life
raft and you can only see the titanic sinking from the life raft it's not about bitcoin price
It's the least fun part about what we do, and it's about how can we change humanity and reorient society.
There's all the talk, obviously, about AI.
AI is going to take everyone's job.
It's coming for your internet job.
It's coming for your desk job, whatever it is.
Anything that has to do with the computer, it's going to replace you, right?
I think I've said before, it used to be learn to code.
but now it's learned a podcast.
I actually believe that's kind of true.
I actually think that in this new paradigm
that we're entering into, spoken word,
because anybody can sound smart now
while they're writing, right?
You can, I mean, sure you use,
you're gonna, people can tell it's AI
when they're reading it, but you can still,
not everyone can tell,
like not everyone has their sensors up.
And also like, you can make some changes.
Point is you can sound pretty smart writing.
It's less easy for AI to make you sound smart
when you're speaking off the cuff,
when you're just two people here, even if we're separated by a computer screen across the country,
across the world, you still have to have some verbal intelligence there. And so I honestly
think we're going to see even a larger proliferation of micro podcasters, micro niche
internet celebrities, whatever you want to say, people really stepping into that role more,
streaming culture increasing even more because people want to know that they actually have a
human connection, not just, Hey, am I just reading something that somebody slopped together in like
30 seconds with Grok or Claude or Chachyptee, whatever it is. I'd love your take on it though.
Yeah. And it's funny you say this Walker piece too, is we, for a couple of years now, I've had
this thought of, uh, more or less privacy, actually giving us more privacy at the end of the day.
And, uh, so it kind of goes into this theme, this narrative of whether it's, you know, like,
Again, one of the big things recently is the crypto,
like people are using,
I just saw him like Zero Hedge or CNBC.
It was like, oh, crypto is using a bunch
by criminal activity right now and all that stuff.
And it's like, are we serious?
Like, is this, no one has two brain cells
to rub together to like, just step back and be like,
cash, like cash guys, like, are we serious?
Like it is the most non-traceable thing.
Like using Bitcoin is one of the dumber ways
to do criminal activity.
Not to say that you can't, obviously,
but we have this world where we just,
we aren't thinking about anything, but in saying all this, before I go down too many tangents,
like the, this world where you don't change Bitcoin, Bitcoin changes you because your stuff
is out there more. You can go two ways with it. The one way I think I thought about it years ago
was we're actually going to have less privacy in the sense of, you know, people can see what's
going on. So you're on your best behavior. Well, that, that can create changes in society. So you
do have part of that. And I think some of that will actually happen, but at the same time,
we do have tools that are out there, open source, you know, code or whatever it is, where we actually
have ways to do this privately now you know just your you know your your guy running a venezuelan
drug boat is not using the bitcoin blockchain with fatty men like he's not like they're not
they're not doing that you know he could you know he could but he could but we're just we ain't we
ain't there yet and so yeah um it sounds like someday and it's just like it's just so nonsensical
all the things we're dealing with right now and that's where i think it's frustrating for a lot
of us because we're you just sit there and like we're missing so much we're missing the forest
from the trees um going back to the ai part of it though yeah i mean you know good farming you
like this this is like the the thing that gets talked about over the course of time what's going
to happen to the farmers and i'm sure it's happened throughout history the new technology comes along
what are we gonna do with the farmers what are they do with so and so and it just goes back to
people not having faith in humanity and i think it's just it's it's amplified now because of uh
just social media and and just the government we're so dependent when people are so dependent
and on the government. And we're at late stage republic, late stage managerialism, whatever you
kind of want to call it, whatever cliche. But we're at this time where a lot of people can't
fend for themselves here in America. They have no idea how to. We mentioned homeschooling offline.
And you have 100 years, 100 plus years of government run compulsory schooling training you
to just conform, comply, obey. When can I go to the bathroom? When can I go on vacation,
do all these things, the bell rings, you know, okay, next shift, you know, whatever it is.
That has trained a bunch of people to be robots,
whether they know it or not.
And I think that's one of the most insidious things.
And we can talk about mindset too,
because I truly believe the more now,
almost 10 years in Bitcoin for myself personally,
the more you go down this rabbit hole,
you see it as just a mindset thing.
I mean, Walker, you know better than anyone too.
I mean, we could go sit here and two plus two is four
to show everyone the truth and the facts
and all these things too are blue in the face.
But if someone's not ready up here, it don't matter.
It does not matter.
They're gonna give you,
oh, the government's going to do this, oh, this and that.
It doesn't matter.
And so we, and then you back up again,
I was like, why is that?
Why are, you know, and then government compulsory schooling,
conform, memorize, comply, obey.
And it's just this world that we've built around ourselves,
this cage we don't even realize is there anymore,
where all of our ancestors coming over to America
were entrepreneurs.
You know, they were revolutionaries.
They were inventors.
They were entrepreneurial minded.
They were visionaries.
They were willing to risk it all, literally risk it all,
leave their families forever. You know, never, I might not see him again. That takes a certain
kind of person. And I'm not going to say, unfortunately, but we're just at different
point in society now at this point where we're second, third, fifth, 10th generation in where,
Hey, there's a lot of us that haven't had to earn that. We haven't had to take those risks
and those gambles. And so, you know, it leads you to how do you actually get, you know, cross that
chasm? How do we actually cross the Delaware this time? It's probably through max pain. You know,
it's probably through some type of max pain mixed with some education. People come find these videos
at some point when they're ready,
when they're ready to drink the water finally.
And I just, I don't know.
I think we're a little ways from that.
People still have it way too good.
DraftKings is still up and running.
Calcium markets are still going.
So we have a little bit ways to go here, I think, Walker.
Did you see, just on the prediction market thing,
did you see that there's now,
they're doing like these prediction markets
on just like traffic flows?
Did you see this video that went around and went viral?
I mean, it's just peak degeneracy.
It's literally like this guy screaming at his computer screen because he's bet on somehow the number like plus or minus on the number of cars which will pass through a particular intersection.
And some guy was like taking a really slow right turn.
And he was like about to live in.
He's like screaming at his computer screen like, take the fucking turn.
What are you doing?
And I'm just like, oh, my God.
Like, it's ingranted.
I have no problem with people gambling.
Right.
I have no problem with people doing whatever you want with your money.
If it's not like if you're not actively using it to harm other people.
Right.
Yeah.
Do what you want.
that's, that's your business, your money. That being said, I can call out degenerate behavior
when I see it. And I have to, I have to wonder where we're at right now. Again,
what we're seeing with kind of a, the hyper gambler, gamification, gambler,
I don't know what the right word there is. Everything turning into gambling,
everything turning into high level, short-term thinking speculation.
It's just like, we've seen this movie before we've seen it every time. And I'm not,
I'm not saying like the dollar is going to collapse tomorrow. I think the people who say
like the dollar is going to collapse and then talk about the dollar collapsing in a vacuum
are not being totally honest. Because like, let's be honest, if the dollar collapses,
that probably means every other fiat currency, almost every other has like just collapsed a
little while ago. And this would, you know, this isn't something that just happens like only the
dollar collapsed and nothing else. Like the euro is fine. You know, the yen is fine. The, you know,
ruble is fine, whatever. No, it will herald, it will mean that we have already reached a point
where most fiat currencies have collapsed and maybe respawned again and collapsed again. Who
knows. The point here being though, that these are clearly late stage vibes, late stage fiat vibes,
regardless of what, what, what you're, which fiat you're talking about, just fiat in general,
right? The dollar is arguably the best fiat out there. You know, it's pretty towards the glue
factory. It's the skinniest kid at fat camp, whatever you want to say, like it's the best
of the worst, but you see all this stuff happening. I even see with the various, you know, crypto
exchanges, the shit coin casinos these days, you know, whether it be Gemini, whether it be Coinbase,
whether it be Robinhood, which has started leading more and more into crypto, they've now
also pivoted to prediction markets. And now they all offer prediction markets. I'm sure the other
ones do too. Those are just the ones that I've, I've seen do this. And I just have to wonder,
is this them also sort of tacitly acknowledging that like the crypto grift is sort of over?
Cause that's all it ever was, was gambling. It was gambling, except insiders could print the
tokens you were gambling on and make a huge profit off you. Now it's like, if you're going to gamble,
Why gamble with something that insiders control and are going to rug you with?
Why not just have it just be straight gambling?
I think that's where a lot of these exchanges are going.
It's almost just saying, like, look, we know the crypto grift has kind of run its game.
Let's get into just real gambling.
Like, let's just cut out all the tokens, cut out all the BS.
Let's just call this what it is.
It's gambling.
So at least they're being more honest there.
I don't know if you've sensed that as well.
Yeah, absolutely.
And you look at a lot of what goes on, too.
Again, we were talking about this offline of the Bitcoin content is suppressed across the board everywhere.
I mean, this is the one thing that the people at the top can't control is Bitcoin.
And it's the only thing that we know of that they cannot control.
And so therefore, we know that it's going to be endless amounts of FUD, as we've seen, whether it was like energy stuff for years.
And all of a sudden, they can use energy to their advantage with centralized control of AI, which you mentioned a minute ago.
So now it's OK.
Energy is OK.
and now it's hard to use that against Bitcoin.
So now we see quantum immediately.
Like it springs up.
It's like clockwork.
It's like, how did that?
So that's where like,
as a first principle thinker,
for me, I had like back up in media.
I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Like this quantum stuff,
you'd hear about it here and there.
But like, this has been going on for a long time.
People have been thinking about quantum stuff
for a long time too.
Just like they've been thinking about Bitcoin
or how to move value across the internet for decades.
And that's another topic for another,
we could get into later, I guess.
But just like the genesis,
Bitcoin being there
and people think it's like,
well, that was like the start of it.
And that's why crypto stuff has come about.
Like, well, it's good.
It's MySpace, Boomer Tech.
So like, we're going to go to a new crypto.
And it's like, no, that's Bitcoin is the end of the line.
They've been working on this for decades and they found fire.
They discovered fire finally.
And it was like, oh, oh my gosh, like here we have it.
We put it together the right way.
And so you have this world where the endless FUD, like quantum all of a sudden just out
of nowhere.
And then the Epstein stuff is dropping.
Like all these things are happening where it's like, whoa, whoa, we just got rid of
like the energy FUD and that got squashed.
And now, and so it just, again, it goes to show you, and I might've talked about this
before too but like then you go into like the um you know the what the really big thing last
you know a handful of months is figuring out what happened to charlie kerr you know the
canis owens of the world and the baron coleman there's some people that have created huge
accounts just all of a sudden trying to like adjudicate what happened there and the powers
that be in my mind love that stuff because the target's here and they're the town over but when
you drop bombs on the town over you're not hitting the target and you're causing mass distraction
You're having people go run around, very intelligent people go around and spend months and months trying to adjudicate something that really, at the end of the day, does it matter what happened?
Like, we should know what happened in Charlie Kirk, but is it going to matter?
I think the question should be like, how is this happening?
You know, why is it happening?
More than who did it?
Because that doesn't really get us anywhere.
I mean, look, even the Epstein files kind of prove that, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that we've known for a long time.
And people just whistle my own the graveyard again.
I mean, like, what are the drop? What are the Epstein files really prove at the end of the day?
Like, no, I don't see anyone doing anything about it. Like, there's really nothing happening.
And so maybe even the larger question, Walker, is like I'm curious, even your thought of, too, is like, what kind of event horizon have we crossed?
I feel like we've crossed some event horizon in society where people are so black pilled almost.
And so just like sedated mentally with the sports gambling, with literal figurative or illegal and legal drugs, et cetera, et cetera.
where that was like the communism playbook
was to break the will of the Western person
and the American.
You go back into all these psychological things
and a lot of it was to break the will of human beings.
And how do you break the will?
It's the torture stuff, like all these things.
You can break the will of a human
and then you have them.
That's how you create slaves basically.
And so whether it was schooling
or whether it was these political movements
to break the will of people
where it's like, it's hopeless, it's done.
And I even get into those bouts myself here and there
where I have to protect myself
or I have to watch myself, right?
I mean, I'm sure a lot of us Bitcoiners get into those at some times where you're like,
and it's really sinister because you feel like, hey, we have the answer.
The root, the oil spill up 10 miles up the river, the source of the spill is up here
and everyone else is 10 miles downstream trying to clean it with pool skimmers.
And you're sitting there like, we got the answer, guys.
Like we can just go turn off the spigot up there and turn off the oil flow into the river
and it won't contaminate anything else.
And no one knows, like they don't care.
They don't hear you.
And they're just, you know, still got their pool skimmer going.
So it can be really sinister because you're like, wow, we have the answer and no one seems
to care at all.
So then you really get jaded at times. And so society is jaded, you know, we're jaded. And I just I don't know what the end answer is, how this flushes out, because it's going to. It's going to flush itself out somehow, some way or another. I just don't know if it's the whimper or bang. I don't know if it's 10, 20 years from now, the demographic shift and the boomers and the silent generation go away and the wealth is now in the hands of Gen X and Gen Y millennials.
and then we just like naturally kind of flow into this next state or if we have some cataclysmic you
know black swan civil war you know whatever that to me is is the is the is the time period where
we're living in right now where it's it's not just a fourth turning it's it's the it's really
a bunch of cycles coming together and and we're seeing things you know play out and all that being
said it's also the greatest time to ever live in human history as well i mean like the amount of
you know we live like kings now especially in the west so like you have to juxtapose it with
we've never had more information.
We wouldn't know any of these things were happening
if it wasn't for technology in social media.
And there's ills of social media.
But then at the same time,
we now know these things because of social media.
So how does this get rectified?
None of us know.
And it's fascinating to live during this time.
And I'm glad we are.
I mean, this is where I think a lot of us Bitcoiners
are built for this fight.
And that's what we're literally put here for.
And it's fun to be part of it.
It's crazy.
You get jaded.
You're black-pilled at times.
You're orange-pilled.
You're white-pilled.
You're red-pilled.
So I don't know, but I would even love your thought on just how does this rectify itself?
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You brought up something that I've been thinking about a lot lately and I'm trying to actually, I'm in the process of writing on.
And maybe also turn that writing into like a YouTube series or something because, you know, reading words, who wants to do that these days?
But this idea of it's not just the fourth turning into the first turning, right?
There's this larger, what I'm calling like a cyclical convergence, right?
Or, you know, a super cycle to use Bitcoin or terms.
And the idea of that being that we have multiple cycles, whether that be socioeconomic, political,
technological, monetary, generational, all converging at this special point right now.
It's not a discrete point.
Like it's a bit of a continuous point, right?
Because it's a period of time in which these things converge.
But you have like everybody knows about the turnings, right?
And I'll get to why I think this is kind of answers the question of how does this rectify itself?
But to set the stage a little bit, you have different cycles, right?
The generational cycle is the one that most people know.
You know, the fourth turning, Strauss and Howe, right?
The theory of generations, basically.
You've got those fourth generations and after the fourth turning, like into the newest, back to the first turning, you've got a period of intense upheaval chaos, right?
That one's like, that's easy to identify, right?
We're living in that cycle right now.
There's another cycle that I identified that I think also fits into this with where we're living right now, which is Polybius' anticyclosis.
It's like a 2,000-year-old plus theory from a Greek philosopher and historian named Polybius.
The idea of that is that there's these cycles of governance.
So it starts out with monarchy, a strong leader, like a good monarch, a benevolent monarch, a king that actually leads his people, cares about his people, right?
that monarchy eventually whether it's that particular monarch or another monarch in the line
descends into a sort of tyranny a dictatorship from which humanity or society is brought out of
that by an aristocracy an aristocratic class of well-meaning aristocrats who actually want to make
things better and no longer want themselves and the people to live under the tyranny of this
dictator but the aristocracy as the monarch devolved into a tyrant the aristocracy devolves
into an oligarchy. That oligarchy then becomes oppressive, becomes exploitative. It's a kleptocratic
class. And that is eventually replaced by democracy, by the people getting together and saying,
we can't leave the power. So it goes from one leader to then a smaller subset of leaders to
then everybody's having a say in what happens. That's democracy. But democracy ultimately devolves
yet again into mob rule or what is technically termed oglocracy, which literally means mob rule.
And then the cycle repeats again And the only thing that pulls you out of mob rule is a strong leader a monarch a king right Somebody who is going to function in that state to be the strong man to be the great man that creates the good times out of the hard ones
And I think that we're seeing that right now.
I think we're seeing the devolution, the de-evolution from the democracy stage to the mob rule stage,
oglocracy.
And that is also dovetailing right now with the fourth turning, right?
But on top of that, then you have you can lay over condratative waves, which was he was a Russian economist who got killed by the Soviets because he basically showed that capitalism actually works.
Like when it seems like capitalism is dying, actually, it's just kind of a natural flushing out of all the crap.
And then it comes back again stronger than ever.
And it's therefore superior to the Soviet communism for for these reasons.
And they killed him for it.
His writings were in public until many, many decades later after the fall of the Soviet Union.
But then you also see that this lines up as well this time we're in with Ray Dalio's theory of long-term debt cycles
It lines up as well with the rises and falls of fiat currency
It lines up with like you're going for a while about this, but i'll stop in a second here
It lines up with all these different cycles. And so
What does that mean right now?
Well, it means we're going to live through one of the most tumultuous periods that human history has ever experienced because so many things are lining up at once
we're also in a globally connected world, which adds a new sort of wrench or factor into this
because we haven't had this sort of global connectivity before. So you could sort of look
at these things societally in isolation somewhat, but now we've got a digitally connected world.
It's totally different. But then we have a couple other X factors. We have AI,
which should enable a hyper deflationary future. And we have Bitcoin. The first time we've ever
had Bitcoin. Bitcoin has not existed before. Nothing like Bitcoin has ever existed. And I
I was talking to Jeff Booth about this actually,
as I was initially pitching this theory to him a while back and I was kind of
very doom and gloom. And I was basically like, well, Jeff,
like basically all this research is telling me like we're,
we're fucked right now.
Like we are seriously fucked cause it's going to get bad and,
and we're just,
and then we're going to start over and we're going to repeat again and it'll
get good after a while, but you know,
then we'll just go and we'll be doomed again to repeat those cycles.
And those cycles should also be,
it may be accelerating as well in terms of how,
how rapidly they happen.
He was like, Walker, it's great and all,
But the problem is you're not considering the fact that Bitcoin was this zero to one moment, that Bitcoin actually changes this paradigm.
So, yeah, it will get nasty.
But what emerges on the other side is going to be something we've never seen before because we can't have seen it before.
There was no way for us to have seen this before.
And as usual, Jeff Booth kind of blew my mind with that, putting it very simply and easily.
Back to your initial question.
What does it take to break this?
I think it takes the collapse.
I don't think most people I know this is maybe not a nice thing to say, but I don't think most people
are going to
Proactively wake up themselves. I don't think they're going to proactively unplug themselves from the matrix
I don't think they're going to proactively decide to take a step back and evaluate all this in a critical way and say whoa
This is messed up and and prepare themselves before
The fall happens
I think they will only realize that they maybe should have been doing something for a long time
As the fall is accelerating and occurring
That may be a bit of a dark prognosis,
but I think that it's just the reality.
Usually nobody, throughout human history,
like the majority of people don't see the collapse coming.
Very few people see the collapse coming.
If everyone saw the collapse coming,
there wouldn't be a collapse
because there would be widespread action
taken to avoid that, but they don't see it.
They're too busy with other things,
too busy just trying to survive.
And so sadly, I think that, what does it take?
What does it take to break people out of this?
I think it just takes things getting a heck of a lot worse.
Now, what will their response to that be?
I don't know.
That response might actually make things continually worse
because the wrong things are going to get scapegoated.
Bitcoin is going to get scapegoated.
Bitcoiners are going to get scapegoated.
Those greedy Bitcoiners have been hoarding all their wealth.
And they're the reason that I'm poor, that I'm suffering, da-da-da-da-da.
I think we're going to see a lot of that.
I think we somewhat already are.
You're going to see more of these unrealized capital gains taxes and things.
The ability to move with Bitcoin in your head is going to become incredibly vital.
It already is, but it'll become more so.
so sadly Brandon I think like what does it take I think it just takes things
getting really really bad for most people to wake up maybe that's too dark
of a prognosis maybe more people will I just I just personally don't think so
yeah yeah it's I agree with you wholeheartedly really I do think it's
like you said it's there's great abundance on the backside but we don't
know when that backside is and I when that's gonna happen and there's we all
throughout history, like you laid out in different ways, it's a lot of people bearing that cross,
carrying their cross in different ways. And it's some way, shape, or fashion. And you might not see
the end game. You might not see the end of that. But humanity is built on a lot of people carrying
that torch of liberty or truth or whatever it is to whatever ends that means. I mean, everyone's
going to have a different path, obviously, but it's, it's not going to be all, uh, you know,
unicorns and rainbows, uh, going forward for people that, again, we, we, we just know from
human history, like anyone that's trying to carry the truth forward, you're going to be persecuted.
You're going to be ridiculed. You're going to be, you're going to be come after that's just,
that's just it. And I, that's the one thing I think that scares me for, um, you know,
Bitcoiners in general, we, like we were talking about offline a little bit, like there's,
there definitely feels like there's a capitulation, um, just across the board of like,
I think a lot of Bitcoiners, again, in my opinion, I just don't know if a lot of Bitcoiners understand the war that's really actually happening.
And thinking that this is going to be easy, like government's going to come in and like it's going to adopt it as legal tender and the game's over.
That ain't how life works. You know, and again, we can get it like really ephemeral.
Like I truly believe life is good versus evil spirits and they're fighting 24, 7, 365 all the time in a realm that we can't see.
uh it comes and manifests itself on our human level obviously at many times but we're we're
in a fight that we just don't even understand and we're players on this on this on this chess
board that we don't understand and that's that's really what's at the crux of all this and until
again in my belief people are understanding that which max pain putting people on their hands and
knees generally brings you back to that point of just surrender and and be like hey i i'm not the
center of the universe, then and only then can you start to regrow from, you know, a firm setting
and, you know, a firm foundation. And we just, we get, we get away from that. You know, like you go
back to all throughout human history of like, I'm going to be God, I'm going to play God. I'm going
to build the tower of Babel all the way to whatever, like we know better. We're going to
human gene edit, you know, children and, you know, bake them in a, you know, fake AI thing.
And they're whatever. It's like, well, how do you think that's going to turn out? You know,
like what are we, you know, like you can argue with me all you want all day long, but like when
you're trying to be God and play God all the time, I mean, history shows you that doesn't fare well.
Like you don't do well long-term doing that. So again, that's maybe a different talk for a
different day potentially, but this is just, it's all you see. That's all I see. I'm 38 years old
and seeing this and being in politics my whole life and being, you know, a faith-filled person
and then seeing the money part of this and putting all these things together. And it's just very
obvious that we need max pain. We need to go through these trials and tribulations to forge
in the fire, the truth again, and come back out the other side. Cause I, yeah, I don't know what
it, you know, a few people are, they, you know, you get it, you see it up front, the early adopters,
things of that nature. But like you said, people need to go through that, that suffering, that pain
in order to be jolted into, you know, snapped back to reality. Cause we've gotten so far away
from the truth. And, you know, like even, you know, my kids, I tell them like every time you
lie or whatever it is, like you're getting further away from truth, you know, like, so the further,
like the further you get away and the more lies you tell that you're going to snap back that
much harder and your life's going to be you know that much more of a jolt coming back to the truth
because that happens at some point we all go through it a little to big degrees whatever it is
but i don't know i don't know walker it's like it's a wild time but at the same time again it's
i'm very hopeful like it's an incredible time human history has gone through these things many times
it will continue to go through these things but like you said and jeff said it's a zero to one
moment and and this is maybe the other place to take this too which is again bitcoin is the first
money again in my belief it's the first money we've ever had so humans have never been able to
actually coordinate on a global scale until now and that's a radical thought i know to most people
to non-bitcoiners uh no coiners or pre-coiners but we've just never been able to as gg wrote about
you know years ago it's we have physical tokens we have ledgers and we could not you know physical
tokens are great if it's just like walker and i were at a conference or like we're you know
exchanging tokens or our family like you know your street or where you live on it's like hey like
great. Like we can exchange, you know, gold and silver to each other and that's fine,
but you can't have global commerce. Or I should say this, if you want to have global commerce,
and I guess that's the question of humanity has to ask too, right? Like, do you want global
commerce? Do you want this world or something resembling this, right? Because if you do,
then you have to choose one of these ways. If you want just a local tribe and you're in your TP,
then great. Then go use physical, you know, metal and silver. That's fine. Or, you know,
or gold and silver. But if you want a global economy and you want to be able to transact
with people you know in wisconsin and michigan or you know you know massachusetts and thailand or
whatever it is you need something a ledger that you know can't be effed with by by some government
entity or centralized entity and to you know have that finality all across and be audited every 10
minutes and and do that across the world or you know to speed of light that's what we're dealing
with and that's the question that humanity has not been able to wrap their minds going back coming
full circle now to the conform comply obey with school of people just accepting like governments
Well, money comes from the governments.
And again, money was here before we had governments, and it'll be here after we have governments.
And coming back to what you're saying of going from this pendulum swinging of going from despots or monarchies to oligarchies to kings,
and then going to democracies and the nation state, all these things.
And we keep getting better over time, I guess we'll say, in just a very zoomed out approach.
So we keep getting better.
And now maybe, hey, can we organize?
We finally found money, the best money we've ever found as humans.
So now can we reorganize ourselves a new way going forward?
And I think that's what humanity, and I think you were alluding to as well, not to put words in your mouth, but that's where we're headed.
And that's why it's so tumultuous.
Yeah, no, that's exactly what I'm alluding to.
And I do think long term, I'm very, very bullish on humanity.
Don't get me wrong.
That's not what I'm saying here.
I've never been more bullish and hopeful on humanity.
I'm very white-filled.
I'm orange-filled, right?
Yeah.
It's just that you also have to realize that in the interim, in the near term future, things are going to get like the night is always darkest just before the dawn.
Yeah.
As the old saying goes, right?
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
Then I think it will get better than we could have ever possibly imagined.
But that's going to take some time.
But this is the thing, too, is I think what I see so much from people, we talked about the kind of political influencer class a little bit earlier.
and getting back to that slightly, one of the things that I think frustrates me, I'm sure it
frustrates you and a lot of Bitcoiners is when you see this sort of political class, whether it be
the politicians or the influencers or whatever, but politicians really are just elected influencers.
That's what it comes down to, right? That's, that's basically what their job is. That's,
you know, uh, let's, let's be honest about it. But when you see them, the focus is always on
the problem, but they're never actually focused on the problem. They're focused on a problem that
happens to be whatever that particular problem is for them, that hot button talking point topic,
that they drill home in all their speeches when they hold their hands like this,
which no real person ever holds their hand like this,
but for some reason politicians do that weird thumb thing.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Nobody does that.
Quit being a freak.
But they have their topics, their problems, their issues
that they can always blame on the other side
and talk about how they're going to be the savior.
They have the God complex.
They're the ones that's going to come in and fix this for you,
and they're the only ones who can do it.
But they never talk about the problem.
They never talk about the fundamental problem.
They never talk about the base layer foundational problem,
which is the broken money. And so they're always talking about the problem, always putting blame,
always doing this. And here's how I'm going to solve it. But that doesn't actually solve anything.
It's a bandaid on a chainsaw wound, right? It's like, you just, you just cut off your leg at the
knee with a chainsaw, but it's like, well, let's put a bandaid on. It should be fine. That'll get
me elected. They never go deeper because they can't go deeper. And it made me think of something
else that you said about this tendency for humans to want to play God. And I actually think very
fundamentally, it's that tendency that has made fiat currency what it is, right? It's that,
because what are you doing when you have control of the money printer? You are essentially saying,
I am God. I am me in this little group of, you know, unelected banker bureaucrats.
We're smarter than the entire world. We're smarter than everybody acting in their own
self-interest in the free market. We can't allow that free market to happen. So we must set the
price of money. We are smarter than we can't possibly let people just freely exchange value
and use money that's not being debased by us. We have to control it. And so it's like the ultimate
fiat God complex is thinking that you are smarter than the free market, smarter than individuals
just working in their self-interest, doing things selfishly, what I think is going to be best for me
and my family. And that that coordination mechanism, that messy, messy coordination mechanism
is somehow, you know, it's just inferior. We can't let that happen. We got to control this.
We had to control the economy.
We had to centrally plan it, right?
Yep.
And that's the thing.
But most people aren't ready to have that conversation, Brandon.
Most people, if I say stuff like that, you know, like, well, but we should have some,
you know, well, there should be so many.
And it's like, no.
Eyes glaze over.
No, because it doesn't, because even a little bit of it, even a little distortion ruins those
free market incentives.
It just distorts what would otherwise be good incentives and perverts.
And this is why I'm against any subsidy of any kind, right?
because it just creates perverse incentives.
And people have so much trouble with that
because they're like, well, yeah,
we should get rid of like solar subsidies,
but we should still keep subsidies for the farmers and oil.
And it's like, no, no, we shouldn't.
That's why we're in this mess.
But people, they just don't want to hear that.
They don't want to hear that everything
that they've been voting for
has just made things worse and worse and worse.
And that when they keep voting,
they make things continually worse.
Like that's the really, that's at the core of it
is you can't vote your way out of this.
If you could vote your way out of it,
we would have already voted our way out of it,
but you can't, so we haven't.
But most people just are not,
they're not prepared for that.
I don't know if democracy really works fundamentally.
Like, yeah, that's maybe a different story,
but I don't know where you stand on this,
but it's like, it's been a really interesting experiment,
I think.
I don't know how well it actually works in practice.
And the system can be gamed,
and it can be gamed now more than ever.
and it's like, you know,
people are always going to vote for their side to get more free stuff, right?
That's just a fundamental thing.
So you've got perverse incentives at what is supposed to be the base
coordination layer, which is going to fundamentally pervert the entire system.
I don't know. Are you a, you're a democracy fan? I mean,
democracy is great, right? It was just, you know,
it's great in theory. And this is like, like communism,
communism is great in theory too. I mean, like if we're all even,
we're all equal and like, we're all robots and like, yeah, like that's in theory.
There's a saying in hockey, like growing up, we always say like you can't destroy your stick on the ice and you can't like the paper.
You got to play the game, you know, and like in reality, a lot of these economic systems or these political systems don't hold up to reality.
In theory, they're great.
But in practice, they don't play out that well.
And so democracy is one of those things, too.
And this is to your point.
This is why we were a federal constitutional republic.
Right.
And this is, this is like, it was the best system, you know, that was, we had from, you
know, you know, it's like, it's like finding Bitcoin.
It's like finding this protocol of like, Hey, we put together the best things that people
have been trying to do for a long, long time.
And we studied all of them like, Hey, here.
And, and, and look, I mean, it obviously created what we have now and we have today.
And it's lasted this long.
Generally.
I mean, again, I'm, people could argue like, well, you know, broke a while ago and it's
like, yeah, okay, we can.
But I would, I would say that that's because 1913 happened and we had, you know, the third
central bank finally is here.
and now it's here for 100 plus years, 110, 112 years, whatever.
And that to me is the breaking of it.
And that's why it's broke.
I look at it, Walker, as like you have your economic,
your money that you choose,
going back to these biblical principles too
of just the foundation, right?
If you choose to build your house on rock or sound money,
then you're going to have an economic system
or a political system that you can put on top of that.
But if you have this system where like,
hey, we have capitalism or even a republic or whatever it is,
it's going to dissolve into this quicksand because if you have this broken world, or I shouldn't say,
because I know, I know I'm saying it's broken money. It kind of gives people this false
perception in a way, because if you have currencies are doing exactly, and you kind of mentioned this
earlier a little bit, but they're doing exactly what they're supposed to do, which is steal your
time and energy and play God. It's a bunch of people at the top thinking, I know better than
you. I know better than the entire free market of all 1 trillion inputs every day that go into the
economy. We know better than that. And so you're playing God. And, and so now you've built this,
this house or this economic system in this country on top of sand or quicksand. And so,
of course, it's going to eventually dissolve and fall into the sand, just become gobbledygook and
just this mess. And no one can figure out what's going on. That's exactly where we find ourselves
now. So you have to rebuild your system. And where I'm going with this is a lot of people confuse
it too. I've gotten a lot of arguments with people, actually. And of course, they're usually
finance people. They're highly educated, 120, 150 IQ people who are telling you, well, inflation is
part of capitalism and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, no, these are, these things
are not together. They, like, they conflate all of it. And then, and don't understand that these,
the money you choose to use is not part of this economic system. You could have any type of money
you wanted. And then you put an economic or political system on top of that. These, just
like Bitcoin's in layers. Most people don't know that, right? Like they don't understand. These
things are built in layers. You don't just like, it's like one size fits all. It's like just how
everyone wants to like, it's a vending machine. It's like, oh, one size fits all. It's like,
I do everything in my life now.
It's like, that's not how these things work.
And so because we've had, going back to government-run schooling and all these things for so long,
people don't, not only do they not learn it, they don't even know how to learn it.
They don't know what to do.
They don't know what to think.
They don't even know how to think.
And so we found ourselves in this state of disarray where it's hard to just climb back out of.
And that's coming back to a lot of things we've been saying, like the strong man world is why you have this strong man come back in.
Because you've gotten off the rails so much.
I mean, you look at the Roman empire, these republics again, that had sound money that
worked for hundreds of years.
And then all of a sudden they start debasing the currency, you know, coin clipping and
melting them down.
And then, so what happening is that the train is so far off the track at this point.
And the thing, the term I keep, the term I keep using is event horizon.
Like, I feel like we've crossed the event horizon of, I don't know how you, you can't
put the train, you can't just like in one fell swoop, put the train back on the tracks
because the train so far off the tracks that people, what's got us here is these little
movements.
We're like, okay, we get the train up off the tracks and it's like, you know, one yard away.
But now we find ourselves like 10 miles away from the tracks.
So now people just want like this one.
And we all do it.
Like I do it.
We're like, well, it's just one solution.
And it's like, that's not how it works.
Like you have to like implement this thing back just as slowly basically as it began.
But that's not how life works.
People go, you go to civil war.
Like you go to these wars, revolutions, civil wars.
It doesn't work like that.
Again, theory, it's great, but it doesn't play out in reality like that.
So all that to be said, it's, you know, the Republic.
This is why they've been attacking the Electoral College.
They attack all these institutions and how we are designed purposely.
The Electoral College is one of the most unbelievable things to have because it keeps from, like what you just said, it keeps from mob rule.
It keeps from four cities in the entire country dictating who's the president.
But again, no one even knows how the Electoral College works.
If you looked at 100 people, 99 of them would say, well, yeah, get rid of that.
I mean, even me, all 100 would say, yeah, get rid of that thing.
We should just be whoever votes it in.
Like, that's how it happens.
It's like, yeah, you're right.
A bunch of these geniuses didn't know what they were doing.
And we've had all this freedom for so long because we didn't do that.
I mean, it's just it's nonsensical.
So to your point, the original question, yes, democracy, not a fan.
We devolve into mob rule.
It's natural.
And we have Democratic, like a Democratic characteristic of like we vote because that's
part of like a democracy.
But that's the only real like Democratic thing we have.
And if you notice, Republicans and Democrats have been saying this for a long time, like
10, 15, 20 years.
they they say democracy right democracy dies in darkness it's the wall street journal headline
or whatever it is like a washington post it's their little headline we don't have a democracy
for crying out loud like it's it's the it's a weaponized language we you know social security
like it's going to secure you later in life like all these things are just completely bastardized
and it a psyop to make you think like oh and they all do it all the politicians they all know like their democracy is an affront to our democracy this is an insurrection against a democracy it not a democracy And that again but the average person has no idea because we so dependent Because the money is fiat or the currency
We don't have money.
We have currency and doesn't have a story value to it.
So they just are able to keep you on the hamster wheel.
And here we are.
We don't have time to even figure out what's happening, to even see what's going on, to
even ask a question.
And the average person is just right back on the hamster wheel the next day.
No time to do any of it.
And then when they get home, they're so tired.
They just want to flip on the game.
to get to bring up their polymarker, their Cal sheet or all this stuff, right?
Get on draft Kings and just, you know,
piss the rest of their life away because they're too tired of doing anything else.
And they know that the month,
they're not going to have money for rent because it's been inflated away.
So they're just like, you know what?
It's here.
I'm going up to Canada.
We're getting the maid program.
You know, like I just, I'm done.
I've had it, you know, so it's sad.
You got a laugh walker, right?
Or otherwise you cry.
So you got, we laugh to keep from weeping.
So, so this actually, I think is a good transition to one of the other topics
I wanted to bring up with you, which is around education. Because I think what you were saying
is spot on about that even Bitcoin, like Bitcoin doesn't fix everything just by existing, right?
It creates an architecture in which we have the possibility of fixing things. But we have to also,
we have to fix other things. Like Bitcoin doesn't inherently necessarily automatically snap your
fingers, Bitcoin exists, everything's fixed. No. We also have to look at the other underlying
things. And I think one of the most important things is our educational system. I was homeschooled.
I also then made the decision to go into high school. And so I've seen both sides of the coin,
right? I was homeschooled and then saw the public school thing that gave me some insights on both
sides of things. You homeschool your kids. I think that's fantastic. I know a ton of Bitcoiners and
people in general now are looking at homeschooling and saying, huh, maybe this is something I need to
look at because look at what the education system is doing. I mean, it's not an education system,
It's an indoctrination system, right?
It's modeled after, you know, you look at the places where, I forget if you and I have talked about this before, but, you know, Germany, homeschooling is illegal there still.
Who made it illegal?
Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.
Why would they do that?
Why would the Nazis not want to make it illegal for you to homeschool your kids?
Well, because then they wouldn't be able to indoctrinate them.
Then you could educate them at home as you see fit, and they wouldn't be indoctrinated with your Nazi propaganda.
They couldn't allow that.
And then that idea of compulsory public schooling goes even back further to kind of the Prussian era, right,
and basically creating kids that would be good little workers or good little soldiers or both.
And basically would sit up straight, stand in a row, stand in line, don't ask questions, do as you're told,
and be a good little bit of cannon fodder there.
But when did you make the decision, your wife, to homeschool your kids?
Was it from the very first kid you had, or did you guys start a little later?
Can you talk about that a bit?
Yeah, it's actually really interesting.
So our oldest actually went to a private Catholic school for a couple years, for two years, for kindergarten and first grade.
And it was actually a weird transition time because we, you know, long story, but it's like we had a tree like come through the kitchen in our house in a storm.
So we actually were out of our house for a year.
So like it just happened to be like we weren't in a great position to be doing homeschooling.
We're living with like both of our parents at different times.
It was wild times.
Anyway, so that was a handful of years ago.
and so we'd always kind of thought about um homeschooling to a degree and obviously the
bitcoin community uh is a big reason for that as well and then covet obviously happened so that was
that was a huge you know thing as well and for our time and just for what it was it was it made
sense to go to school for year two but then you get into it and like the school is phenomenal the
people are phenomenal you know all of it but again you have to be careful because generally you know
the teachers are still taught at the same universities you know state you know government
run schools or you know what or what have you or you know some of the big things that i had a problem
with were the kids would go outside for recess once a day and for 20 minutes or 30 minutes and
then they could rain a little bit and they're like oh sorry we're not going outside and it's like
the kids should be doing that half the day like what are we doing like and then they come home
with homework or like things like that and i'm like whoa whoa whoa like you know so then you read
you know john taylor gatto books which you know daniel prince is the one that showed me those a
number of years ago and um you know it's homework is there to control the children outside of the
states reach and it's to control them so they can't go talk to their based uncle walker at seven
o'clock at night because guess what they're doing homework you know i can't talk to based uncle
brandon because you know so like it keeps the state in control even when they're not in school
and you're like we've been doing this for eight hours a day like you couldn't figure this out for
eight hours and so it's just this you have to have this healthy disdain for the the state in all
aspects and you know we see now whether it's the food the schooling hollywood pop culture you know
all these different things where they infiltrate i mean again going back to the frankfurt school
you know the marxist coming over a hundred years ago and getting control of the schooling again
even to a bigger degree than than even the rockefeller stuff or late 1800s early 1900s but
all these kind of different facets coming together and then hollywood that was a a thing that they
purposely took over hollywood because you know if you can control obviously the media and hollywood
and all the big different tenants the kids when they're young even it was a bernie sanders guy a
few years ago which it's not to i shouldn't even say who it was i guess but it was someone that
working the Bernie Sanders campaign, but the point is it could be any side. And they admitted like,
yeah, we have absolutely one of your kids in the state, even at three. That's why you see this
push to, you know, the three years old and they're like in school and subsidizing it. And it's,
it's a glorified daycare. And that's why the, again, because the parents from the hamster wheel,
mom and dad, both of the work because we have fiat currencies. Now it's, it's like, well,
it makes sense, you know? And then why do we think that the vouchers don't happen? All these things
to like, get your money back from paying property taxes to go then do the schooling you want.
why the hell is it like not past anywhere at all time it's always like this fight it it's so insane
but when you zoom out you can't it's so hard to see and you and you said this for years walker
right it's not red versus blue it's the state versus you and if you can't you can really only
see that generally from the bitcoin ecosystem that's the only place where you're in a protocol
outside of all of that and and you know gold and silver guys might you know they're they're
they're kind of there but you're still like hanging off the edge of the titanic because you're still
you're still it's still rooted in in fiat and you're measuring through fiat you're not measuring
you know ounces because you can't globally transact with anyone because bitcoin you can
globally transact and it's an auditing system we're now off in this life raft and you can only
see the titanic sinking from the life raft you cannot see these things from the life raft that's
why school none of all the things we're saying don't make sense if you're still in those systems
fighting red versus blue shuffling deck chairs trying to vote for a new captain after you've hit
the iceberg well good luck you're still going to be 12 000 feet under the water in the next four
hours. It does not matter. So we, we, as soon as we were able to, we pulled the kids out of school
because we were, you know, again, our jobs are flexible. I mean, we do this stuff, you know,
full-time doing, you know, Bitcoin education. And my wife has a flexible job. She's an attorney.
And so she, she's flexible in what she's doing in the area of practice she's in. So we were able to,
and they're just sitting there like you're dropping our kids off at school. I mean,
none of it made sense. We're like, why am I dropping you off when I'm at home working?
Like it didn't even make sense. And so all of it, you know, they, you don't eat as well. Um,
you know, every single aspect of it. And then, then the, at night, the only memory was like an
hour or two at night, like tucking them in at night. Like my memory is every day, just the same
thing, just tucking them in at night. And it was like, when do I get to teach them stuff? Like,
when do we get to learn real things? And so all these things just kind of come together in your
head and you realize, Oh, and then on top of that, the amount of time, right? Like, you know,
the homeschooling part of it is an hour a day, maybe per kid, right? Like it's 30 minutes when
they're young, you know, an hour a day max when they're young. It's like, you're just sitting
there. It's like maybe a couple hours total to do all the kids cumulatively. And, and you're just
like, wow. And then they're out playing, playing and they're doing stuff. And then they're doing
stuff with dad, doing stuff with mom, you know, depending on who's home at the time or whatever
it is. So they're learning about real world stuff. And we get to, you know, turn on the TV for one
hour and watch, you know, whatever the, you know, something that's, you know, Tuttle Twins or we're
watching something where it's like actually educational or like, you know, something to that
effect. But it was, it was a little bit of an evolution in the sense of we knew we kind of
want to do that. No one in our families had done that. So that was a little bit of like the, the
scariness of like, Hey, no, one's done this. What are our parents or our family's going to think?
And fortunately our families are all pretty good. And they're pretty, pretty open to, to Jessica
and I's craziness, extremeness, I guess. And being revolutionary, I guess, just a mindset. So
they're they're all open to it and and now you know ironically of some of our siblings and things
like that or doing it or thinking about it and things of that nature so it just you know it takes
one person that's where like again it's these little things over time coming back to what we
were talking about earlier it just takes one person to do something different or whatever it is and
then look you know families start changing you know your kids are changing and that's where like
you said earlier i have great hope for the future too just because i see all of our kids and they
know the difference between bitcoin and and the rest of the currencies out there they know they
don't know anything different so in 20 years from now when they're of age and they will only know
one thing they will know the difference between all these things unlike all of us who had to go
through life and didn't know any of this stuff and now we're getting rude awakenings they the
younger generations will know much different and this will be very normal to them to even homeschool
or whatever and you know this natural defunding on the state and moving to places that treat you
better using money that doesn't steal from you all these different things that this naturally over
time one thing after another you know we were talking to parker lewis recently and he was just
saying like again it's this inflection point where you know he thinks it's one out of 20 people
that that have to really understand bitcoin and get it you get to this point where like one you
know this guy gets it and that girl gets it and that guy gets it and it just slowly happens over
time and then this you know the gradually and suddenly and all of a sudden we get to a point
where enough people in society it's just this tipping point the iceberg flipping the gradually
and suddenly and just boom all of a sudden people get it and that's the defunding of the dollar you
know the the value of the dollar going to zero you know one day in in the future whenever that is
That's hyperinflation, loss of confidence.
A couple percent of people say, no more, I'm not accepting this.
So again, all that to be said, I don't go down too many tangents, but it took a few years.
I always give people a few years of grace, especially if that's all you're used to,
is the government-run complying and memorized, and this is the way it is,
and this is what our family's done.
It took us a couple years to get our affairs in order, make sure.
I was doing real estate full-time.
I retired from playing hockey in 2012, and was in the minor leagues for a few years.
and then I did real estate and investing in gold and silver,
did real estate for 10, 11 years, whatever it was,
helping people do that,
investing in my own properties,
like doing all this stuff.
And then once Bitcoin becomes obvious,
to me, it was, holy cow, I need to get out of all this.
This is un-Sitanic.
This is all the fiat world.
I need to get out of this somehow.
And so it just, this journey is natural evolution.
I even look for me and I'm empathetic for people
why they don't see things clearly.
Because for me, this has been 20 years.
I mean, 20, 25 years of being very political,
then seeing the 08 crash when i'm graduating from michigan state university seeing that firsthand
living through that and then raising money having a business you know having the people that work
for me all these things over the years and i only know and have conviction what i know because of
all these experiences then i empathize and realize that a lot of people didn't have these experiences
so it just comes back to edifying what you were saying earlier again like it's going to take time
what parker said too like it's going to take time and we all it seems obvious and it should happen
tomorrow because it is obvious once you do see it, but it seems psychotic when you don't. Right.
So we're all psychopaths to the person who doesn't understand this and hasn't lived all these
experiences. And, and so anyway, the schooling part is, is for anyone who can do it, you have
to look into it. It's, it's unbelievable. And the relationships that you, your kids have, I will say
this to a really quick story of some friends of ours, they were homeschooling for a few years.
Then they were having, they have five kids and they're having some issues just with like some
of the kids and stuff like that.
Not to go into crazy detail,
but they put them into school
just earlier this year for a month.
And we're like,
immediately we're like,
no, this is brutal.
And it's a private school too.
Not the same one we went to,
but they're like,
no, this is brutal.
Kids, immediate habits were worse.
Everything.
They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Pulled them out.
Like a month, month and a half later,
already pulled them back out again.
We're like, no, no,
we will make this work.
We'll figure out.
It's Wild Walker.
Just, you know,
I don't have to tell you,
you already know I'm preaching to the choir,
but it's a wild.
If anyone can do it,
it. You have to look into it and see how you can do it. And I think one of the things is that you
touched on, which is really important for people to realize, and what I always try to stress is
that like most people think, oh, I, I couldn't do that. I can't do that. I don't have the time to do
that. You know, depending on what your job situation is, what your financial situation is,
whatever. But what you said is something that's so important. And I can echo that this is the same,
was the same for me in the nineties when I was, you know, being homeschooled, right?
Is that the time commitment, you think it's going to be a larger time commitment
than it is because your entire concept of how much time school takes is based on a system that
caters to the lowest common denominator and whose sole purpose is to be daycare and indoctrination
and to be a place where you send your kids to go for somebody else to raise them. Basically,
you've got people spending, you've got basically state administrators spending more time with your
own kids than you do. Now that just doesn't smack right to me, right? But when you, when you homeschool,
you literally only need, and this isn't to say you're like giving them some like, well,
you know, little Johnny, you got a grade of a butterfly today. And, and, and Beth,
you got a grade of two giraffes, like, because we don't do A's and B's. No, it's, it's not that
you can do the literally the exact curriculum that the school does. If you want to, it just
doesn't take very much time because most of the time that's spent in school in public school is
just wasted. It's just filler time. And it's also catering, especially if you have a smart kid,
yeah it will beat that out of them one and it will make them slow down to the lowest common
denominator the slowest basically quintile of that of that class right even if you have all
the advanced placement and all that doesn't matter it doesn't matter it will do that but
you only need a couple hours a day like that's it you don't need to do any homework beyond that
either especially at that age none of that matters none of that matters at all how much do you use
from when you were you know eight years old exactly it's not like yeah it's good like you
know, for you to learn like math and like how to write and like, and science and things
like that.
But like, again, you don't need to be doing a bunch of meaningless fucking bullshit homework.
That's just busy work meant to keep them occupied after school.
So the teachers can say, look, I did my curriculum.
I did what I was supposed to.
I can check that off with the state board.
No, you need a couple hours a day and then your kids should literally be outside and be
exploring and be messing around and getting into some mischief and starting fires, not
in an arson way, but like in a constructive way and just doing things that kids should
do. They don't need to spend, they should never spend all that time indoors. Like that's the most
insidious part of it is just indoors, fluorescent lighting, maybe windows if you're lucky,
often not. And it's just like, that's not an environment that is conducive to anyone's learning.
Like that's, that's, that's not going to be good. Right. They will develop worse habits there. And I
can, I can speak from experience there. You know, that is a, cause I can, I've seen both sides of
this coin, but really there's one thing I can impress upon people to like, if my mom as a,
she was an English major. She wasn't had no degree in education. She was had no degree in
sciences or anything like that. If she could homeschool my sister and I, and then if both
of us, when we did go to public school, I was and finished high school. Number one,
my sister finished number two, different grade. She only finished number two because they gave
her an a minus and PE class, because that's a thing that should matter for you. You know,
just like stupid stuff. Like point being like, if my mom can do it before all of the tools that
are available now and you can attest to this, like all of the different, like you have access
to the world at your fingertips online. Like my mom had to get, you know, I think it was like
the sunlight curriculum or something mailed to us, you know, like, and had to do this all like,
you know, then we started using the internet once, you know, once it got a little bit better,
there was more stuff available, but now it's just night and day difference. There's so much
available to you. So many resources, all sorts of like even AI tutors and stuff now too, which are
like really good for a lot of stuff. But the most important thing is it's like, it's about time.
do you want to spend that time with your kids or do you want to abdicate the responsibility for your
kids and give that responsibility to the state i know the answer for me you know the answer for you
but that's what people you have to be really conscious about it but the other thing is i
think that a lot of people feel as well depending on your working situation right because typically
in most families these days most parents have to work or you know have to work they're like
i think people have also kind of tricked themselves into thinking well we have to do this because if
If one of us didn't work, we would take a cut to our standard of life.
We wouldn't have the same standard of life, but it's like, what's the point of that?
What's the point of that standard of living?
Is the point of it to provide the best possible life for you and your family?
Because if so, the best way to do that for your kids is to spend more time with them,
not to spend less.
They're not going to care that you got them a little bit more expensive toy.
They're going to care if you were there.
Were you there? Were you with them?
And that matters more than anything else.
And it's something I, but I think Bitcoiners really need to look at this and again, do
whatever you want.
They're not, they're not my kids.
They're your kids.
You should decide, right?
That's like, uh, I'm not the state.
I'm not trying to tell you what to do with your kids or not do with what your kids, but
I really think it's like, man, what maybe another sidebar here is what really blows
my mind is people who spend a ton of money.
I know a lot of people like this who spend a lot of money to send their kids to like
really expensive like daycare programs, really expensive daycare or preschool or, or, you know,
kindergarten programs like before it's not even any school. It's it's, that's just daycare. Right.
Now I can like a couple hours a week or something to get like some time with other kids and to do
cool stuff. Like, okay, that's a, that's a different story. Some Montessori style education.
Great. Okay. Different story. But like, if you're just sending your kids to a daycare, you know,
daycare service all day, every day, paying a ton of money for it. And then most of one person's
after-tax salary goes towards childcare, just get rid of that. Just get rid of the childcare and get
rid of that salary. And you're basically breaking even with a lower tax bracket, like because you
have less income. You know what I mean? Like, I don't understand that for some people. It's just
like, but again, to each their own, maybe it's not for everyone. But I can pretty much guarantee
that you, Brent, I'm sure I haven't met your kids, but if I had to guess, I'd say they are probably
incredibly well-adjusted, have no issues talking to anyone of any age. That's usually one of the
biggest marks of homeschooled kids is they don't have some weird complex about like talking to
adults or being weird around adults no it's just they just they can talk to anyone because they
haven't been artificially segmented into you only hang out with people who are your exact same age
and if there's an adult in the room they are the only authority figure there and you must listen
to them regardless of you know what what myths what uh you think of mrs smith and whether or not
you think she's a moron right like you got to listen to him i don't know i'm rambling now but
No, I think it's such an important thing.
It's huge.
It really is.
And you do see it.
And it is, again, like growing up in government run schools myself and then and then seeing the kids in and out for even for a couple of years and then seeing friends like some of these stories.
It is so like you said, the habits, everything is just wildly different.
And there are these artificial things you don't even realize, like you just don't realize as a parent or even as a kid growing up.
There's these like, you know, you're grouped in with all the kids your own age.
It's just like, you know, again, it's wild.
And now because of the time, you know, we're able to do a lot of other things, too.
Like we're able to go on trips.
You know, we've taken a couple of Bitcoin conferences.
You know, we've done, you know, they do jujitsu, you know, once or twice a week.
They do, you know, yeah.
I mean, like it's amazing.
And, you know, they do piano.
They do jujitsu.
They're doing tennis.
Like they're doing all these things, you know, skating a little bit.
Now it's cold out right now.
So, you know, like we get to do things that you just don't normally get to do.
And it's just completely beat out of you the other direction.
And so you have this, again, this weird game theory, I feel like, it almost plays out with children as well, because you just made me think of it a minute ago where we're so caught up in what's going on in Ukraine or what's going on in all these other areas of the world instead of focusing on what's important right in front of us and just dealing with what's right in front of us.
And it's like this weird game theory of like, well, you know, no one else is doing it.
So like I have to go do, you know, I have to go make sure I'm thinking about Ukraine, too.
Like no other person is.
It's like, well, who cares what other people are doing?
You know, like do it for yourself.
Like focus on your family, your kids, because if you do that, then everyone else will eventually start doing it at some point in life, too, whether it's through Max Payne or you're leading by example.
And these things play out because if everyone's focusing on their own family and spending time with their children and growing their children,
then a lot of these problems melt away.
They cease to exist because we're focusing
on what's right in front of us
instead of looking over the children,
looking over our spouse right in front of us
and worrying about what's going on in Ukraine
or what's going on over in the Middle East
or what's going on in the Far East.
It's like, you've got problems right here.
Like you have people right here that want your attention,
they want your love and we don't even give that to them.
And we all guilty to this to some degree right But being present right We hear lot about like intentional parenting nowadays and all these like millennial Gen X millennial Gen Z terms and all this stuff It like just be with your kids Like if you there
just be there. You just like, do it, you know, like put the phone down, like do these,
these simple things. And it's in the life. Like when you talk to old people and you see it,
they generally aren't saying like, oh man, I wish I didn't have so many kids or I wish I had,
you know, they're saying like, I wish I would have had kids or like, I wish I, I mean, how many,
how many 40 year olds are going to see like crying in their phone women like i wish i would
have had kids this stupid you know career you know blah blah blah blah blah i've been doing
for 20 years just every day you you look at someone breaking down and entrapped on the hamster wheel
and being sold a lie just shipped down the river and like cattle and in you know what's the
washington quote of like you know just dumb and silent will be led to slaughter and just no one
waking up and saying i'm going a different way and it's not fun it's not easy as you well know
and bitcoiners know like you're you're made fun of a lot you're how many again the fud the endless
like just you know dealing with objections it's it's a very um it's not a very fun life in that
sense of like you're just constantly dealing with people like fighting you all the time and there's
some sickness i probably in all of us us bitcoiners that we we just you know my my coach at michigan
state he always used to say you got to love to battle and you know he's saying in hockey terms
right but like you know you're in their corners or you're in front of the net you know like that's
your area that's your territory you have to love to battle and and that's life you know it's a
microcosm of life you have to love to battle and you know battling for yourself battling for your
family for your spouse for your children um battling for the truth battling for you know
it's just we've lost that you know and so i i always go back to like men don't get punched in
the face anymore it's always like my theory of like growing up in in the 90s right like we you
wrestle like we'd wrestle as kids it was like really the last vestiges of like you get in fights
with your buddy who are playing you know whatever you like some game and you get in a fight and
you're getting you know yelling each other and you get punched you get you're wrestling now it's
the kids are in front of the screen the whole time. They're just on the iPad. They're doing
all these things where it's like, there's no feedback loop. It's like, I can keyboard warrior
to anything in the world, but like, you're not going to say that to my face. And because it's
just like, we've, we have this world where like, we think we can just get away with anything. And
then we've broken all these feedback loops. So, you know, Bitcoin again, reintroduces these
feedback loops and reestablishes to build foundation on this, this firm, you know,
concrete to rebuild the structures on top of that on sound money. And, and so it just,
it all comes full circle, but it's, man, if people can do it, uh, it just, you look into it and
because it is the best thing, you know, being with, you know, and again, seeing the old people
and what they say about, you know, the children, I wish I would have spent more time with my kids or,
you know, whatever it is. And homeschooling does a long way towards doing this. If you are mobile,
if you work at home or whatever it is, and it's, you read, I will say this too. Like when I,
when our kids started homeschooling, like it was a learning process for me. Like I had to learn
to be around the kids more almost, especially as a guy, you know, and just, you know, being,
being vulnerable in that sense or like you know being vulnerable you know right now and i tell
people at times i probably should talk more about it but it's you you as a guy like you are away
more so you're kind of like okay like well what do i do here like oh it's just me and the kids or
whatever oh you know and so it's there's this very real like learning that has to go through but like
the relationships i've seen even with my kids and just them together is night and day from what it
was you know three years ago or you know so anyway it's you could talk about it forever but it's i
I think the point's been made.
It's something to look into if you can.
I love it.
And I've got one follow-up point that I've got to say,
and then maybe a zooming out moment.
The follow-up point is around the being punched in the face.
It's so funny you say that.
Like, I've told this to Carlos so many times.
I'm like, you ever see a guy acting like a real bitch?
Probably he's never been punched in the face hard in his life.
Like, I think every guy needs to get punched in the face at least once.
And whether that's in the gym, you know, or whether that's like,
if you like never, like, man, we used to beat the shit out of each other,
like with big sticks.
Like, I mean, like, like do damage, like real big damage.
And then it's like, you go inside.
Does anybody say shit to the parents?
No, you shut that.
You shut the hell up, you know, beating the shit out of each other, playing boot hockey,
you know, you know, dropping somebody into a chokehold, like cracking their head on the
ice and everybody goes in.
Don't you dare cry.
Don't you dare cry in there, Jimmy.
Because like, we don't want this room.
We're going to go back out after lunch.
Yeah.
But no.
Okay.
So that aside, everyone should get punched in the face.
If you've never been punched in the face, punch yourself right now.
hard in the face better than nothing um or just financial advice just um manhood advice but the
the other thing is like maybe like zooming out because we i know you and i could both go on for
hours like about homeschooling specifically but in the in the interest of of maybe like starting
to put a bow around this i think as we zoom out one of the reasons that this is so important is
because as bitcoiners i believe it is very important for us to sort of draw lines in the sand
in terms of what is non-negotiable for us. One of the things that's non-negotiable for me
is the state telling me what to do with my kids. That is non-negotiable for me. There's no way
I'm going to accept a world like they live in in Germany where they can tell me, no,
it is illegal for you to homeschool your kids and we will take them away if you break the law.
And that's what happens. Like that is what will happen if you try to homeschool your kids in
Germany. And Germany's, I don't need to pick on Germans. A lot of German friends love me some
some German time, big pretzel and Bratswurst fan. Uh, also a fine Pilsner beer, you know,
every now and again, but that sucks. That sucks that the state can tell you, you're not allowed
to do that with your kids. You're not allowed to do what you know to be right for your children.
I won't accept that. I don't think we should as big coaches. And I think we need to find more of
these lines in the sand where we say, no, no, the state has no business here. This is, this is
nothing. This state has no right to tell me what to do with my children. Like, okay. You said,
well, Walker, what if you're abusing kids?
I'm not, all right?
And for people, that's a different conversation, right?
If we're talking about people that are abusive parents,
that's a completely different conversation.
And that's the same sort of argument that's like,
oh, we can't allow Bitcoin
because some people might use it for criminal activities.
You do not punish the law-abiding citizens
who are trying to simply do good and do well
because of the actions of a few, right?
But that's always the excuse they use.
And I think we need to look at these
as things that are non-negotiables for us,
where it's like, no, no, no.
You need to push back hard against the state
trying to tell you what to do with your kids
or what to do with your money
or that you deserve to have privacy in the states.
And no, sorry, that's just too dangerous
because some people might commit acts of terrorism
if they have too much privacy.
Like, no, the state does this.
The state wants to encroach in every area.
And this is how they get you in totalitarian systems.
What do they start with?
Well, first they start with they disarm the populace.
Then they go and start checking to see who is going to be.
And I know this from experience, hearing from my in-laws and all the Romanian friends I have who grew up in communist Romania.
What did they do?
They went to the villages and first they had these rabble rousers who would go out there and say, we don't like communism.
Who's with us?
Sign this petition to show us you're against communism.
Well, they took everyone who signed that petition and threw them in jail.
It was a trap, right?
It was a trap that they threw.
They disarmed everyone.
They take away all private property.
they make sure you can't speak freely publicly or privately because everyone's watching you.
But how do you make sure people can't speak freely privately publicly? That's, that's easy,
right? Yeah. You shut down communication channels, you cut off from the outside world. You make sure
if no, everybody's scared shitless to say anything in public or the party will get you.
But privately, how do you do that? It's a lot harder inside the home. It's a lot easier now
that you have digital surveillance, but back then in the premise still applies. Well, you need to
have somebody who's willing to tattle from within the home. How do you get that? You take the youngest
and most impressionable members of that family.
You put them in indoctrination camps,
aka compulsory public schooling,
and you make sure that you tell them exactly
how terrible it would be
if their parents were to say something like,
we don't like the Communist Party.
And that for their parents' own safety,
if they were to say something like that,
they should, of course, the child should come in
and tell the teacher
to make sure that the teacher can then, of course,
get the parents the help that they need,
the re-education that they need.
This is the insidious thing about schooling.
This is why totalitarians must control education, because if you can control the next generation
of minds, you can control the country forever, if you always have that control.
And so that's why homeschooling is so fundamentally important.
I was talking with you about this, talked with Daniel Prince about this, and credit to him
because he's the one who said it.
I will quote him here, but it's like, you need the separation of education and state,
not just money and state.
Education and state needs to be separated too, and I think that's so fundamental, because
if we want to actually make the future that we know we can herald in the future we know we can
bring if we want to make it stick we need to make sure that the next generation that will inherit
that future is actually prepared to keep it right if that makes sense absolutely absolutely it's it
is it is fundamental and and we go through and what again what's tough with with everyone i think
is that it's it's this um this mentality of like the game's over like we've we've won and i've seen
it for so long it's like i said you know politically you know 20 years ago it was very political and it
would it would generally be like oh you won and then you just went away and and it's like okay
we won wash our hands of it and then it just goes away and like these these fights of separating
money and state separating church and state separating um education state these fights don't
end just because like a bill is signed into law or whatever even if whatever that's even worth at
this point now um you know look i mean the guy in office now can like pass things but then like if
The courts, you know, I think it's just, it's a fight.
Like nothing even like happens, right?
We've just evolved into such chaos,
but I'm not going to digress here.
It's, it's, it's this fight that never ends.
This is where coming back to, you have to love to battle.
We've learned, we've lost that, that will, that fight in us.
And that's why like, I'll get crazy.
I mean, I got, I, I'll, I'll lose it at times.
And like, people are like, just stack, you know,
stack, stack, stack and chill and just do that.
It's like, you got to have some fight in you.
You got to have some piss and vinegar in you.
Like, you got to like, show me some life here a little bit.
And that's where these fights never end.
they never stop there's there's always a new finish line and that's what i've seen from people
so much is like it's just like tiring it's like okay this is tiring like i just want my head back
in the sand like i i just want you know whatever and and someone's like like a lake of david goggins
for instance for instance the guy is always like there's never a finish line right he's got a big
following now but like that's tiring a lot of people i mean you see a lot of people talk about
it it's like that's tiring and it's like he's an extreme example maybe but like i'm making the
point in the sense that these fights never end and and so like separating education state this
it's so so incredibly massive and they go hand to hand you can't just do one and not the other
now i mean maybe the hope is that you do one of these big things and we get one of these things
accomplished uh and then the other happens you know maybe it's education state go first you know
it's maybe it's money in state and then hopefully then education state comes right after that these
dominoes start to fall where you know you hope that once you can get the money ripped away from
the state then then these things start to heal themselves the river starts to clean itself up
and it's not tainted as much.
Because again, you can't have honest society
from dishonest money,
just like you can't have good fruit from a bad tree.
It's impossible.
It's not how life works.
So we need to start reorienting ourselves
back to this truth and to have these,
because again, it goes back to, like we said earlier,
we're looking for the wrong,
we're asking the wrong questions.
It's like, who killed Charlie Kirk?
Who did this and that?
It's like, that's not the point.
That's not, why did it happen?
You know, how did it happen?
Those are the questions that we need to be asking.
and that's where, again, those at the top love
people go down these rabbit holes,
but they're missing the mark.
They're not asking the right questions.
So it goes people, they're chasing squirrels
or chasing shiny objects.
So they love it because it distracts really smart people
from, like you said, from asking the right questions
where most of society, again, they're 10 miles away.
They're another country away.
They're not near the target and that's fine too.
But the people that are most sinister,
the people that are right around, the Tucker Carlson's,
there are a lot of people, they're like,
they're right around the target and they're right there
and they're seemingly super smart
and they're putting together these really nice, well-crafted cases,
but they're not off the Titanic yet.
They're one town over in the target,
so the shrapnel doesn't affect the target,
and the target is separating these things.
It's minimizing the state and reducing it down to whatever size it is.
The size of a mustard seed or it doesn't exist.
Again, we can have these debates, but that's the world we need to be in,
and that's the world that I do believe.
If you would have told me, Walker, 20 years ago, again,
that we're in this position
where we're asking these questions
of like conspiracy theories
are just like out there
and people are talking about him.
The richest guy in the world,
who knows what side the guy's on,
doesn't matter,
but he's out there talking about
and those things are coming out of his mouth
and questioning mainstream narratives.
I would have laughed you out of the room.
So to your point,
I am greatly hopeful.
We have Bitcoin,
as you and Jeff Booth talked about.
We have these answers.
We have the ability to change things.
We're reorienting society
and people have never been asking these questions.
These are just,
it was so taboo.
I mean, you would have been,
you would have been laughed out of the room if you and i went into a room 20 years ago and said
a lot of these things we would have been laughed out of the room and now people actually engage
with you like you could actually have conversations with people with a lot about a lot of these things
because it's now it's starting to incept itself into more mainstream society which is absolutely
phenomenal so like again to your point like it is good to zoom out and realize we do need to
separate some of these huge things but we're going the right way i remember 10 years ago i was in
like a local chamber event and we had a lady that was there older lady her son was at u of m law
school university of michigan law school and she was like questioning she was like
why and this was 10 years ago this is like 2015 2016 2017 whatever it was and she was like i just
don't get it like you're getting all this debt this is dumb blah blah blah you know whatever
this is ufm law school i mean like that's like you know one of the biggest law schools in the
country or whatever it is but it's like she was even questioning it it's like i have seen personally
over time people just starting to question all these things we've been told and indoctrinated
for so long so that's where like again you zoom out and we get into this nitty-gritty at times as
we as we do and we have to but when you zoom out we are directionally going the right way
hands down without without a shadow of a doubt we are going the right direction doesn't mean
there's not gonna be bumps along the way it's not gonna be chaotic and it's gonna be crazy at times
it definitely is but we are directionally going the right way and that's really all you can ask
for at the end of the day amen to that you know what i love about this conversation is we have not
um even been tempted to talk about price because there's just there's there because it's the most
It's the most boring thing happening right now.
Yeah.
No, but, but I, I, this has been a, a great time getting the chance to do this with you.
I'm glad we made this happen today.
And again, I hope that this for Bitcoiners, for anybody who's listening, whether you're
a mom or a dad, probably more dads listening to this show than moms.
If there's some mommies out there, hello, mommies.
I'm glad you're listening to moms need Bitcoin as well.
Like, I hope this gave you some context for why Brandon and I feel so strongly about
homeschooling because again, and, and, you know, Daniel Prince is another person who's been out
there and his kids are in, I've had a chance to meet his kids, incredible kids. I mean, really
like, like amazing kids, those kids shine, um, and they will do great things in this world.
I am certain of that. And they're like, they've been going to Bitcoin conferences. They've been
speaking at Bitcoin conferences for like years. Uh, you know, his, his, his daughter has been on
his podcast, co-hosting with him, you know, for, for years. Like that's, that's amazing. Those are
kids that are already living in the future. And like, you can have that too. And that's, and again,
that's why it is so important. That's because you're going to see, I think a growing bifurcation,
a growing divide, a growing kind of line in the sand, again, if you will, between people who are
giving ever more responsibility for their own lives, for their family's lives, their children's
lives, for their futures to the state and people who are doing the exact opposite, trying to take
as much personal responsibility for that as possible.
Because that's really the only way you can go.
It's like, it's not going to stay static.
The state wants more power.
You as an individual should want the state to have less power
and for you to have more power.
But the only way that you get that is by taking it.
And it's going to mean some sacrifice.
And it's not going to be a cakewalk.
Like us saying, yeah, it's only a couple hours a day worth.
That doesn't mean it's easy, but it's worth it.
I can promise you, the older I have gotten,
and I tell my parents this every chance I get,
whenever they're, you know, they're here playing with our, our son and hanging out and seeing the
next generation, you know, that they've, they ushered in. I tell them the older I get, the
more grateful I am to them that they homeschooled me like with each passing year, because I see now,
especially now that I'm a parent, I see even more of the sacrifices they made that I never,
I wasn't paying attention to at the time. I couldn't understand as it can't, you can't know.
But now I'm like, Oh my God, wait, dad, you mean you were, you caught like 200 pitches a day from
me with like your bad knees from football and your bad, bad. And like, but you just, you just
did that for, you know, like, or, or, you know, like all of the things that they did that you come
to appreciate so much more. And I promise you, your kids will appreciate it too. Maybe not right
away. I'm not saying they're, you know, they're going to see it all, but they will see it and
they'll get more grateful over time. And I think that's one of the really powerful things is that
I think that it has the power to keep generations closer at the end of the day, which we need more
of. Like we need to be able to have kids learning from not just their parents also, but their
grandparents, their aunts and uncles, like you want that, you want that intergenerational
communication because it's so valuable. And that's one of the things that we started to lose, I think,
in really in modern society, quite a lot to our own detriment, honestly, to our own detriment.
Absolutely. Oh, go ahead. Oh, no, I was gonna say, I mean, that again, that's the John Taylor
Gatto books. I know, I know Daniel Prince has talked about this. I know you're, you know,
you're fond of it as well. I mean, it's like the intergenerational living is what we had for a
thousand of years, you know, and that was because those people that cared about you the most,
right? So they're going to parent you and they keep you online and whatever. But now we've
had you know really in the last 50 60 70 years we'll call it you know at least amplified at that
time was this peer-to-peer learning instead where it's like you know your friends your buddies that's
how you're learning things instead of the people that care for you most and what has accompanied
that it was obviously the the the money being ripped away from us and so now mom's working and
not just dad and now their mom and dad are out on credit and and spent all their savings and now
they're getting divorced you know like all these things are happening the breakdown of the family
The intergenerational living is gone.
You know, people are, you know, hey, mom and dad, I don't even have money for you now.
So now you have to go to some senior livings.
You're gone.
I mean, it's like it's an absolute disaster.
And that all has to be accounted for now going for society is going through that accounting,
whether it's, again, the sedation, the drugs, the illegal or illegal drugs or whatever it
is, like the sedation, the distraction, the chaos.
All this is what we've been going through really for a couple of decades now.
And I think we're going to be continuing to go through this for a little while.
But it's going to reorient.
it's going to, you know, the, the citadel freedom cities, whatever, all these different areas are
going to be these beacons of hope that, uh, people start flocking to and saying, Hey, I'm done. I
finally, again, you can lead the horse to water. Like we said in the beginning, but you can't make
them drink. And that's going to be, when do people hit their points where they're like, okay, I'm
actually thirsty now. I want to drink water. Like I'm ready for you. I'm ready for the truth now.
Let's give it to me. So I love it. Yeah. The last thing I'll say, then we'll wrap up here is just
that no one will ever love your kids as much as you do.
And the government sure as hell won't.
They can't.
You will always love your kids more than anyone else ever could.
So don't give control of your kids over to somebody who cannot possibly love your kids
or care about them in the way that you do, because that's what you're doing.
On that note, Brandon, I want to be conscious of your time,
because again, I hate to even take time away from the kids,
but you know what?
I know that your kids are probably damn proud of their dad
and the fact that he goes out there and speaks the truth.
Where can people find you speaking the truth if they want to hear more rants about homeschooling,
rants about Bitcoin, whatever it may be?
Where do you want to send folks?
Yeah, I appreciate it again, brother.
It's just an honor to come on here, talk about all this stuff.
Like we said, it's not about Bitcoin price.
That's like you said, it's the least fun part about what we do, quite honestly.
And it's about how can we change humanity and reorient society?
and that's you know when you see it when you see the wizard behind the curtain you see it
and um you know my my channel is just you know my name brandon underscore gentile i believe that's
you know twitter you know the nostril you know primal uh youtube everything we go interview
people as well do live streams do this stuff uh and we need 10 000 more people like us doing this
exact thing and i think we're gonna get there i know we're gonna get there it's gonna take some
time but uh we're on our way so i appreciate you brother appreciate you too man step by step
enjoy some time with the fam
I'm going to go do the same
great catching up as always
and I'm sure we'll do it again soon
absolutely
thanks Walker
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