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I think it just takes things getting really really bad for most people to wake up.

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And so now you've built this this house or this economic system in this country on top of sand or quicksand.

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You can't have honest society from dishonest money just like you can't have good fruit from a bad tree.

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It's not red versus blue, it's the state versus you.

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homework is there to control the children outside of the state's reach and it's to control them so

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they can't go talk to their based uncle walker at seven o'clock at night because guess what they're

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doing homework thinking that this is gonna be easy like government's gonna come in and like

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it's gonna adopt it as legal tender the game's over that ain't how life works bitcoin is the

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first money again in my belief it's the first money we've ever had we're now off in this life

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raft and you can only see the titanic sinking from the life raft it's not about bitcoin price

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It's the least fun part about what we do, and it's about how can we change humanity and reorient society.

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There's all the talk, obviously, about AI.

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AI is going to take everyone's job.

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It's coming for your internet job.

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It's coming for your desk job, whatever it is.

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Anything that has to do with the computer, it's going to replace you, right?

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I think I've said before, it used to be learn to code.

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but now it's learned a podcast.

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I actually believe that's kind of true.

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I actually think that in this new paradigm

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that we're entering into, spoken word,

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because anybody can sound smart now

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while they're writing, right?

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when they're reading it, but you can still,

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like not everyone has their sensors up.

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Point is you can sound pretty smart writing.

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when you're speaking off the cuff,

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when you're just two people here, even if we're separated by a computer screen across the country,

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across the world, you still have to have some verbal intelligence there. And so I honestly

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think we're going to see even a larger proliferation of micro podcasters, micro niche

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internet celebrities, whatever you want to say, people really stepping into that role more,

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streaming culture increasing even more because people want to know that they actually have a

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human connection, not just, Hey, am I just reading something that somebody slopped together in like

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30 seconds with Grok or Claude or Chachyptee, whatever it is. I'd love your take on it though.

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Yeah. And it's funny you say this Walker piece too, is we, for a couple of years now, I've had

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this thought of, uh, more or less privacy, actually giving us more privacy at the end of the day.

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And, uh, so it kind of goes into this theme, this narrative of whether it's, you know, like,

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like people are using,

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by criminal activity right now and all that stuff.

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Like, is this, no one has two brain cells

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to rub together to like, just step back and be like,

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cash, like cash guys, like, are we serious?

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Like it is the most non-traceable thing.

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Like using Bitcoin is one of the dumber ways

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to do criminal activity.

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but we have this world where we just,

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we aren't thinking about anything, but in saying all this, before I go down too many tangents,

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like the, this world where you don't change Bitcoin, Bitcoin changes you because your stuff

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is out there more. You can go two ways with it. The one way I think I thought about it years ago

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was we're actually going to have less privacy in the sense of, you know, people can see what's

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going on. So you're on your best behavior. Well, that, that can create changes in society. So you

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do have part of that. And I think some of that will actually happen, but at the same time,

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we do have tools that are out there, open source, you know, code or whatever it is, where we actually

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have ways to do this privately now you know just your you know your your guy running a venezuelan

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drug boat is not using the bitcoin blockchain with fatty men like he's not like they're not

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they're not doing that you know he could you know he could but he could but we're just we ain't we

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ain't there yet and so yeah um it sounds like someday and it's just like it's just so nonsensical

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all the things we're dealing with right now and that's where i think it's frustrating for a lot

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of us because we're you just sit there and like we're missing so much we're missing the forest

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from the trees um going back to the ai part of it though yeah i mean you know good farming you

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to happen to the farmers and i'm sure it's happened throughout history the new technology comes along

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what are we gonna do with the farmers what are they do with so and so and it just goes back to

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people not having faith in humanity and i think it's just it's it's amplified now because of uh

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just social media and and just the government we're so dependent when people are so dependent

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and on the government. And we're at late stage republic, late stage managerialism, whatever you

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kind of want to call it, whatever cliche. But we're at this time where a lot of people can't

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fend for themselves here in America. They have no idea how to. We mentioned homeschooling offline.

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to just conform, comply, obey. When can I go to the bathroom? When can I go on vacation,

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do all these things, the bell rings, you know, okay, next shift, you know, whatever it is.

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I mean, Walker, you know better than anyone too.

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to show everyone the truth and the facts

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and all these things too are blue in the face.

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this cage we don't even realize is there anymore,

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where all of our ancestors coming over to America

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leave their families forever. You know, never, I might not see him again. That takes a certain

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kind of person. And I'm not going to say, unfortunately, but we're just at different

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point in society now at this point where we're second, third, fifth, 10th generation in where,

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Hey, there's a lot of us that haven't had to earn that. We haven't had to take those risks

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and those gambles. And so, you know, it leads you to how do you actually get, you know, cross that

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chasm? How do we actually cross the Delaware this time? It's probably through max pain. You know,

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it's probably through some type of max pain mixed with some education. People come find these videos

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at some point when they're ready,

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when they're ready to drink the water finally.

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People still have it way too good.

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DraftKings is still up and running.

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Calcium markets are still going.

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Did you see, just on the prediction market thing,

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did you see that there's now,

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they're doing like these prediction markets

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on just like traffic flows?

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It's literally like this guy screaming at his computer screen because he's bet on somehow the number like plus or minus on the number of cars which will pass through a particular intersection.

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He's like screaming at his computer screen like, take the fucking turn.

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What are you doing?

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Like, it's ingranted.

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I have no problem with people gambling.

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I have no problem with people doing whatever you want with your money.

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If it's not like if you're not actively using it to harm other people.

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Do what you want.

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that's, that's your business, your money. That being said, I can call out degenerate behavior

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when I see it. And I have to, I have to wonder where we're at right now. Again,

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what we're seeing with kind of a, the hyper gambler, gamification, gambler,

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I don't know what the right word there is. Everything turning into gambling,

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everything turning into high level, short-term thinking speculation.

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It's just like, we've seen this movie before we've seen it every time. And I'm not,

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I'm not saying like the dollar is going to collapse tomorrow. I think the people who say

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like the dollar is going to collapse and then talk about the dollar collapsing in a vacuum

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are not being totally honest. Because like, let's be honest, if the dollar collapses,

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that probably means every other fiat currency, almost every other has like just collapsed a

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little while ago. And this would, you know, this isn't something that just happens like only the

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dollar collapsed and nothing else. Like the euro is fine. You know, the yen is fine. The, you know,

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ruble is fine, whatever. No, it will herald, it will mean that we have already reached a point

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where most fiat currencies have collapsed and maybe respawned again and collapsed again. Who

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knows. The point here being though, that these are clearly late stage vibes, late stage fiat vibes,

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regardless of what, what, what you're, which fiat you're talking about, just fiat in general,

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right? The dollar is arguably the best fiat out there. You know, it's pretty towards the glue

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factory. It's the skinniest kid at fat camp, whatever you want to say, like it's the best

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of the worst, but you see all this stuff happening. I even see with the various, you know, crypto

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exchanges, the shit coin casinos these days, you know, whether it be Gemini, whether it be Coinbase,

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whether it be Robinhood, which has started leading more and more into crypto, they've now

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also pivoted to prediction markets. And now they all offer prediction markets. I'm sure the other

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ones do too. Those are just the ones that I've, I've seen do this. And I just have to wonder,

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is this them also sort of tacitly acknowledging that like the crypto grift is sort of over?

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Cause that's all it ever was, was gambling. It was gambling, except insiders could print the

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tokens you were gambling on and make a huge profit off you. Now it's like, if you're going to gamble,

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Why gamble with something that insiders control and are going to rug you with?

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Why not just have it just be straight gambling?

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I think that's where a lot of these exchanges are going.

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It's almost just saying, like, look, we know the crypto grift has kind of run its game.

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Let's get into just real gambling.

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Like, let's just cut out all the tokens, cut out all the BS.

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Let's just call this what it is.

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It's gambling.

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So at least they're being more honest there.

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I don't know if you've sensed that as well.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And you look at a lot of what goes on, too.

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Again, we were talking about this offline of the Bitcoin content is suppressed across the board everywhere.

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I mean, this is the one thing that the people at the top can't control is Bitcoin.

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And it's the only thing that we know of that they cannot control.

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And so therefore, we know that it's going to be endless amounts of FUD, as we've seen, whether it was like energy stuff for years.

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And all of a sudden, they can use energy to their advantage with centralized control of AI, which you mentioned a minute ago.

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So now it's OK.

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Energy is OK.

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and now it's hard to use that against Bitcoin.

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So now we see quantum immediately.

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Like it springs up.

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It's like clockwork.

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It's like, how did that?

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as a first principle thinker,

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for me, I had like back up in media.

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I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Like this quantum stuff,

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you'd hear about it here and there.

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But like, this has been going on for a long time.

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People have been thinking about quantum stuff

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for a long time too.

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Just like they've been thinking about Bitcoin

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or how to move value across the internet for decades.

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And that's another topic for another,

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we could get into later, I guess.

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But just like the genesis,

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Bitcoin being there

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and people think it's like,

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well, that was like the start of it.

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And that's why crypto stuff has come about.

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Like, well, it's good.

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It's MySpace, Boomer Tech.

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So like, we're going to go to a new crypto.

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And it's like, no, that's Bitcoin is the end of the line.

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They've been working on this for decades and they found fire.

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They discovered fire finally.

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And it was like, oh, oh my gosh, like here we have it.

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We put it together the right way.

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And then the Epstein stuff is dropping.

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Like all these things are happening where it's like, whoa, whoa, we just got rid of

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like the energy FUD and that got squashed.

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And now, and so it just, again, it goes to show you, and I might've talked about this

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before too but like then you go into like the um you know the what the really big thing last

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you know a handful of months is figuring out what happened to charlie kerr you know the

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canis owens of the world and the baron coleman there's some people that have created huge

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accounts just all of a sudden trying to like adjudicate what happened there and the powers

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that be in my mind love that stuff because the target's here and they're the town over but when

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you drop bombs on the town over you're not hitting the target and you're causing mass distraction

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You're having people go run around, very intelligent people go around and spend months and months trying to adjudicate something that really, at the end of the day, does it matter what happened?

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Like, we should know what happened in Charlie Kirk, but is it going to matter?

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I think the question should be like, how is this happening?

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You know, why is it happening?

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More than who did it?

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Because that doesn't really get us anywhere.

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I mean, look, even the Epstein files kind of prove that, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that we've known for a long time.

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And people just whistle my own the graveyard again.

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I mean, like, what are the drop? What are the Epstein files really prove at the end of the day?

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Like, no, I don't see anyone doing anything about it. Like, there's really nothing happening.

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And so maybe even the larger question, Walker, is like I'm curious, even your thought of, too, is like, what kind of event horizon have we crossed?

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I feel like we've crossed some event horizon in society where people are so black pilled almost.

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And so just like sedated mentally with the sports gambling, with literal figurative or illegal and legal drugs, et cetera, et cetera.

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where that was like the communism playbook

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was to break the will of the Western person

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and the American.

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You go back into all these psychological things

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and a lot of it was to break the will of human beings.

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And how do you break the will?

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It's the torture stuff, like all these things.

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You can break the will of a human

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and then you have them.

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That's how you create slaves basically.

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And so whether it was schooling

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or whether it was these political movements

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to break the will of people

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where it's like, it's hopeless, it's done.

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And I even get into those bouts myself here and there

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where I have to protect myself

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or I have to watch myself, right?

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I mean, I'm sure a lot of us Bitcoiners get into those at some times where you're like,

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and it's really sinister because you feel like, hey, we have the answer.

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The root, the oil spill up 10 miles up the river, the source of the spill is up here

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and everyone else is 10 miles downstream trying to clean it with pool skimmers.

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And you're sitting there like, we got the answer, guys.

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Like we can just go turn off the spigot up there and turn off the oil flow into the river

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and it won't contaminate anything else.

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And no one knows, like they don't care.

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They don't hear you.

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And they're just, you know, still got their pool skimmer going.

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So it can be really sinister because you're like, wow, we have the answer and no one seems

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to care at all.

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So then you really get jaded at times. And so society is jaded, you know, we're jaded. And I just I don't know what the end answer is, how this flushes out, because it's going to. It's going to flush itself out somehow, some way or another. I just don't know if it's the whimper or bang. I don't know if it's 10, 20 years from now, the demographic shift and the boomers and the silent generation go away and the wealth is now in the hands of Gen X and Gen Y millennials.

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and then we just like naturally kind of flow into this next state or if we have some cataclysmic you

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know black swan civil war you know whatever that to me is is the is the is the time period where

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we're living in right now where it's it's not just a fourth turning it's it's the it's really

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a bunch of cycles coming together and and we're seeing things you know play out and all that being

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said it's also the greatest time to ever live in human history as well i mean like the amount of

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you know we live like kings now especially in the west so like you have to juxtapose it with

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we've never had more information.

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We wouldn't know any of these things were happening

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if it wasn't for technology in social media.

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And there's ills of social media.

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But then at the same time,

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we now know these things because of social media.

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So how does this get rectified?

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None of us know.

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And it's fascinating to live during this time.

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And I'm glad we are.

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I mean, this is where I think a lot of us Bitcoiners

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are built for this fight.

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And that's what we're literally put here for.

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And it's fun to be part of it.

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It's crazy.

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You get jaded.

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You're black-pilled at times.

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You're orange-pilled.

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You're white-pilled.

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You're red-pilled.

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So I don't know, but I would even love your thought on just how does this rectify itself?

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You brought up something that I've been thinking about a lot lately and I'm trying to actually, I'm in the process of writing on.

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And maybe also turn that writing into like a YouTube series or something because, you know, reading words, who wants to do that these days?

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But this idea of it's not just the fourth turning into the first turning, right?

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There's this larger, what I'm calling like a cyclical convergence, right?

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Or, you know, a super cycle to use Bitcoin or terms.

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And the idea of that being that we have multiple cycles, whether that be socioeconomic, political,

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technological, monetary, generational, all converging at this special point right now.

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It's not a discrete point.

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Like it's a bit of a continuous point, right?

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Because it's a period of time in which these things converge.

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But you have like everybody knows about the turnings, right?

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And I'll get to why I think this is kind of answers the question of how does this rectify itself?

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But to set the stage a little bit, you have different cycles, right?

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The generational cycle is the one that most people know.

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You know, the fourth turning, Strauss and Howe, right?

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The theory of generations, basically.

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You've got those fourth generations and after the fourth turning, like into the newest, back to the first turning, you've got a period of intense upheaval chaos, right?

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That one's like, that's easy to identify, right?

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We're living in that cycle right now.

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There's another cycle that I identified that I think also fits into this with where we're living right now, which is Polybius' anticyclosis.

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It's like a 2,000-year-old plus theory from a Greek philosopher and historian named Polybius.

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The idea of that is that there's these cycles of governance.

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So it starts out with monarchy, a strong leader, like a good monarch, a benevolent monarch, a king that actually leads his people, cares about his people, right?

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that monarchy eventually whether it's that particular monarch or another monarch in the line

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descends into a sort of tyranny a dictatorship from which humanity or society is brought out of

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that by an aristocracy an aristocratic class of well-meaning aristocrats who actually want to make

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things better and no longer want themselves and the people to live under the tyranny of this

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dictator but the aristocracy as the monarch devolved into a tyrant the aristocracy devolves

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into an oligarchy. That oligarchy then becomes oppressive, becomes exploitative. It's a kleptocratic

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class. And that is eventually replaced by democracy, by the people getting together and saying,

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we can't leave the power. So it goes from one leader to then a smaller subset of leaders to

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then everybody's having a say in what happens. That's democracy. But democracy ultimately devolves

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yet again into mob rule or what is technically termed oglocracy, which literally means mob rule.

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And then the cycle repeats again And the only thing that pulls you out of mob rule is a strong leader a monarch a king right Somebody who is going to function in that state to be the strong man to be the great man that creates the good times out of the hard ones

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And I think that we're seeing that right now.

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I think we're seeing the devolution, the de-evolution from the democracy stage to the mob rule stage,

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oglocracy.

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And that is also dovetailing right now with the fourth turning, right?

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But on top of that, then you have you can lay over condratative waves, which was he was a Russian economist who got killed by the Soviets because he basically showed that capitalism actually works.

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Like when it seems like capitalism is dying, actually, it's just kind of a natural flushing out of all the crap.

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And then it comes back again stronger than ever.

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And it's therefore superior to the Soviet communism for for these reasons.

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And they killed him for it.

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His writings were in public until many, many decades later after the fall of the Soviet Union.

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But then you also see that this lines up as well this time we're in with Ray Dalio's theory of long-term debt cycles

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It lines up as well with the rises and falls of fiat currency

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It lines up with like you're going for a while about this, but i'll stop in a second here

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It lines up with all these different cycles. And so

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What does that mean right now?

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Well, it means we're going to live through one of the most tumultuous periods that human history has ever experienced because so many things are lining up at once

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we're also in a globally connected world, which adds a new sort of wrench or factor into this

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because we haven't had this sort of global connectivity before. So you could sort of look

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at these things societally in isolation somewhat, but now we've got a digitally connected world.

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It's totally different. But then we have a couple other X factors. We have AI,

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which should enable a hyper deflationary future. And we have Bitcoin. The first time we've ever

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had Bitcoin. Bitcoin has not existed before. Nothing like Bitcoin has ever existed. And I

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I was talking to Jeff Booth about this actually,

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as I was initially pitching this theory to him a while back and I was kind of

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very doom and gloom. And I was basically like, well, Jeff,

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like basically all this research is telling me like we're,

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we're fucked right now.

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Like we are seriously fucked cause it's going to get bad and,

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and we're just,

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and then we're going to start over and we're going to repeat again and it'll

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get good after a while, but you know,

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then we'll just go and we'll be doomed again to repeat those cycles.

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And those cycles should also be,

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it may be accelerating as well in terms of how,

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how rapidly they happen.

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He was like, Walker, it's great and all,

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But the problem is you're not considering the fact that Bitcoin was this zero to one moment, that Bitcoin actually changes this paradigm.

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So, yeah, it will get nasty.

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But what emerges on the other side is going to be something we've never seen before because we can't have seen it before.

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There was no way for us to have seen this before.

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And as usual, Jeff Booth kind of blew my mind with that, putting it very simply and easily.

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Back to your initial question.

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What does it take to break this?

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I think it takes the collapse.

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I don't think most people I know this is maybe not a nice thing to say, but I don't think most people

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are going to

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Proactively wake up themselves. I don't think they're going to proactively unplug themselves from the matrix

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I don't think they're going to proactively decide to take a step back and evaluate all this in a critical way and say whoa

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This is messed up and and prepare themselves before

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The fall happens

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I think they will only realize that they maybe should have been doing something for a long time

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As the fall is accelerating and occurring

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That may be a bit of a dark prognosis,

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but I think that it's just the reality.

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Usually nobody, throughout human history,

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like the majority of people don't see the collapse coming.

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Very few people see the collapse coming.

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If everyone saw the collapse coming,

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there wouldn't be a collapse

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because there would be widespread action

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taken to avoid that, but they don't see it.

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They're too busy with other things,

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too busy just trying to survive.

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And so sadly, I think that, what does it take?

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What does it take to break people out of this?

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I think it just takes things getting a heck of a lot worse.

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Now, what will their response to that be?

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I don't know.

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That response might actually make things continually worse

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because the wrong things are going to get scapegoated.

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Bitcoin is going to get scapegoated.

445
00:24:30,212 --> 00:24:31,412
Bitcoiners are going to get scapegoated.

446
00:24:31,792 --> 00:24:34,132
Those greedy Bitcoiners have been hoarding all their wealth.

447
00:24:34,432 --> 00:24:37,592
And they're the reason that I'm poor, that I'm suffering, da-da-da-da-da.

448
00:24:38,012 --> 00:24:39,452
I think we're going to see a lot of that.

449
00:24:39,512 --> 00:24:40,532
I think we somewhat already are.

450
00:24:40,832 --> 00:24:43,712
You're going to see more of these unrealized capital gains taxes and things.

451
00:24:43,832 --> 00:24:47,312
The ability to move with Bitcoin in your head is going to become incredibly vital.

452
00:24:47,472 --> 00:24:48,912
It already is, but it'll become more so.

453
00:24:48,912 --> 00:24:53,172
so sadly Brandon I think like what does it take I think it just takes things

454
00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:57,032
getting really really bad for most people to wake up maybe that's too dark

455
00:24:57,032 --> 00:25:01,072
of a prognosis maybe more people will I just I just personally don't think so

456
00:25:01,072 --> 00:25:07,732
yeah yeah it's I agree with you wholeheartedly really I do think it's

457
00:25:07,732 --> 00:25:10,432
like you said it's there's great abundance on the backside but we don't

458
00:25:10,432 --> 00:25:17,372
know when that backside is and I when that's gonna happen and there's we all

459
00:25:17,372 --> 00:25:25,572
throughout history, like you laid out in different ways, it's a lot of people bearing that cross,

460
00:25:25,732 --> 00:25:31,692
carrying their cross in different ways. And it's some way, shape, or fashion. And you might not see

461
00:25:31,692 --> 00:25:37,892
the end game. You might not see the end of that. But humanity is built on a lot of people carrying

462
00:25:37,892 --> 00:25:43,572
that torch of liberty or truth or whatever it is to whatever ends that means. I mean, everyone's

463
00:25:43,572 --> 00:25:48,032
going to have a different path, obviously, but it's, it's not going to be all, uh, you know,

464
00:25:48,812 --> 00:25:53,512
unicorns and rainbows, uh, going forward for people that, again, we, we, we just know from

465
00:25:53,512 --> 00:25:57,672
human history, like anyone that's trying to carry the truth forward, you're going to be persecuted.

466
00:25:57,672 --> 00:26:01,392
You're going to be ridiculed. You're going to be, you're going to be come after that's just,

467
00:26:01,492 --> 00:26:06,552
that's just it. And I, that's the one thing I think that scares me for, um, you know,

468
00:26:06,612 --> 00:26:09,172
Bitcoiners in general, we, like we were talking about offline a little bit, like there's,

469
00:26:09,172 --> 00:26:13,172
there definitely feels like there's a capitulation, um, just across the board of like,

470
00:26:13,172 --> 00:26:21,492
I think a lot of Bitcoiners, again, in my opinion, I just don't know if a lot of Bitcoiners understand the war that's really actually happening.

471
00:26:21,832 --> 00:26:28,152
And thinking that this is going to be easy, like government's going to come in and like it's going to adopt it as legal tender and the game's over.

472
00:26:28,332 --> 00:26:32,092
That ain't how life works. You know, and again, we can get it like really ephemeral.

473
00:26:32,092 --> 00:26:40,472
Like I truly believe life is good versus evil spirits and they're fighting 24, 7, 365 all the time in a realm that we can't see.

474
00:26:40,472 --> 00:26:47,652
uh it comes and manifests itself on our human level obviously at many times but we're we're

475
00:26:47,652 --> 00:26:52,072
in a fight that we just don't even understand and we're players on this on this on this chess

476
00:26:52,072 --> 00:26:57,572
board that we don't understand and that's that's really what's at the crux of all this and until

477
00:26:57,572 --> 00:27:03,192
again in my belief people are understanding that which max pain putting people on their hands and

478
00:27:03,192 --> 00:27:08,772
knees generally brings you back to that point of just surrender and and be like hey i i'm not the

479
00:27:08,772 --> 00:27:13,172
center of the universe, then and only then can you start to regrow from, you know, a firm setting

480
00:27:13,172 --> 00:27:18,172
and, you know, a firm foundation. And we just, we get, we get away from that. You know, like you go

481
00:27:18,172 --> 00:27:21,332
back to all throughout human history of like, I'm going to be God, I'm going to play God. I'm going

482
00:27:21,332 --> 00:27:24,872
to build the tower of Babel all the way to whatever, like we know better. We're going to

483
00:27:24,872 --> 00:27:29,872
human gene edit, you know, children and, you know, bake them in a, you know, fake AI thing.

484
00:27:29,872 --> 00:27:32,132
And they're whatever. It's like, well, how do you think that's going to turn out? You know,

485
00:27:32,132 --> 00:27:35,892
like what are we, you know, like you can argue with me all you want all day long, but like when

486
00:27:35,892 --> 00:27:40,812
you're trying to be God and play God all the time, I mean, history shows you that doesn't fare well.

487
00:27:40,812 --> 00:27:46,392
Like you don't do well long-term doing that. So again, that's maybe a different talk for a

488
00:27:46,392 --> 00:27:51,992
different day potentially, but this is just, it's all you see. That's all I see. I'm 38 years old

489
00:27:51,992 --> 00:27:56,352
and seeing this and being in politics my whole life and being, you know, a faith-filled person

490
00:27:56,352 --> 00:28:00,072
and then seeing the money part of this and putting all these things together. And it's just very

491
00:28:00,072 --> 00:28:05,272
obvious that we need max pain. We need to go through these trials and tribulations to forge

492
00:28:05,272 --> 00:28:10,252
in the fire, the truth again, and come back out the other side. Cause I, yeah, I don't know what

493
00:28:10,252 --> 00:28:14,372
it, you know, a few people are, they, you know, you get it, you see it up front, the early adopters,

494
00:28:14,472 --> 00:28:18,572
things of that nature. But like you said, people need to go through that, that suffering, that pain

495
00:28:18,572 --> 00:28:23,172
in order to be jolted into, you know, snapped back to reality. Cause we've gotten so far away

496
00:28:23,172 --> 00:28:27,412
from the truth. And, you know, like even, you know, my kids, I tell them like every time you

497
00:28:27,412 --> 00:28:30,812
lie or whatever it is, like you're getting further away from truth, you know, like, so the further,

498
00:28:31,092 --> 00:28:35,152
like the further you get away and the more lies you tell that you're going to snap back that

499
00:28:35,152 --> 00:28:40,272
much harder and your life's going to be you know that much more of a jolt coming back to the truth

500
00:28:40,272 --> 00:28:44,212
because that happens at some point we all go through it a little to big degrees whatever it is

501
00:28:44,212 --> 00:28:50,272
but i don't know i don't know walker it's like it's a wild time but at the same time again it's

502
00:28:50,272 --> 00:28:54,472
i'm very hopeful like it's an incredible time human history has gone through these things many times

503
00:28:54,472 --> 00:28:58,632
it will continue to go through these things but like you said and jeff said it's a zero to one

504
00:28:58,632 --> 00:29:03,832
moment and and this is maybe the other place to take this too which is again bitcoin is the first

505
00:29:03,832 --> 00:29:07,472
money again in my belief it's the first money we've ever had so humans have never been able to

506
00:29:07,472 --> 00:29:12,672
actually coordinate on a global scale until now and that's a radical thought i know to most people

507
00:29:12,672 --> 00:29:19,132
to non-bitcoiners uh no coiners or pre-coiners but we've just never been able to as gg wrote about

508
00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:23,572
you know years ago it's we have physical tokens we have ledgers and we could not you know physical

509
00:29:23,572 --> 00:29:26,652
tokens are great if it's just like walker and i were at a conference or like we're you know

510
00:29:26,652 --> 00:29:31,112
exchanging tokens or our family like you know your street or where you live on it's like hey like

511
00:29:31,112 --> 00:29:34,492
great. Like we can exchange, you know, gold and silver to each other and that's fine,

512
00:29:34,552 --> 00:29:38,732
but you can't have global commerce. Or I should say this, if you want to have global commerce,

513
00:29:38,732 --> 00:29:41,672
and I guess that's the question of humanity has to ask too, right? Like, do you want global

514
00:29:41,672 --> 00:29:45,732
commerce? Do you want this world or something resembling this, right? Because if you do,

515
00:29:46,032 --> 00:29:50,052
then you have to choose one of these ways. If you want just a local tribe and you're in your TP,

516
00:29:50,292 --> 00:29:53,932
then great. Then go use physical, you know, metal and silver. That's fine. Or, you know,

517
00:29:53,932 --> 00:29:57,992
or gold and silver. But if you want a global economy and you want to be able to transact

518
00:29:57,992 --> 00:30:04,232
with people you know in wisconsin and michigan or you know you know massachusetts and thailand or

519
00:30:04,232 --> 00:30:09,512
whatever it is you need something a ledger that you know can't be effed with by by some government

520
00:30:09,512 --> 00:30:14,792
entity or centralized entity and to you know have that finality all across and be audited every 10

521
00:30:14,792 --> 00:30:18,632
minutes and and do that across the world or you know to speed of light that's what we're dealing

522
00:30:18,632 --> 00:30:22,152
with and that's the question that humanity has not been able to wrap their minds going back coming

523
00:30:22,152 --> 00:30:27,432
full circle now to the conform comply obey with school of people just accepting like governments

524
00:30:27,432 --> 00:30:29,372
Well, money comes from the governments.

525
00:30:29,952 --> 00:30:34,832
And again, money was here before we had governments, and it'll be here after we have governments.

526
00:30:35,072 --> 00:30:42,872
And coming back to what you're saying of going from this pendulum swinging of going from despots or monarchies to oligarchies to kings,

527
00:30:42,972 --> 00:30:45,832
and then going to democracies and the nation state, all these things.

528
00:30:45,972 --> 00:30:50,872
And we keep getting better over time, I guess we'll say, in just a very zoomed out approach.

529
00:30:51,212 --> 00:30:51,952
So we keep getting better.

530
00:30:52,052 --> 00:30:53,512
And now maybe, hey, can we organize?

531
00:30:53,572 --> 00:30:56,832
We finally found money, the best money we've ever found as humans.

532
00:30:56,832 --> 00:31:00,072
So now can we reorganize ourselves a new way going forward?

533
00:31:00,132 --> 00:31:06,172
And I think that's what humanity, and I think you were alluding to as well, not to put words in your mouth, but that's where we're headed.

534
00:31:06,372 --> 00:31:07,272
And that's why it's so tumultuous.

535
00:31:08,452 --> 00:31:11,252
Yeah, no, that's exactly what I'm alluding to.

536
00:31:11,392 --> 00:31:14,552
And I do think long term, I'm very, very bullish on humanity.

537
00:31:14,552 --> 00:31:15,312
Don't get me wrong.

538
00:31:15,432 --> 00:31:16,412
That's not what I'm saying here.

539
00:31:16,712 --> 00:31:19,692
I've never been more bullish and hopeful on humanity.

540
00:31:19,852 --> 00:31:20,992
I'm very white-filled.

541
00:31:21,072 --> 00:31:21,952
I'm orange-filled, right?

542
00:31:22,552 --> 00:31:22,792
Yeah.

543
00:31:22,792 --> 00:31:31,512
It's just that you also have to realize that in the interim, in the near term future, things are going to get like the night is always darkest just before the dawn.

544
00:31:31,512 --> 00:31:31,752
Yeah.

545
00:31:31,872 --> 00:31:32,952
As the old saying goes, right?

546
00:31:33,132 --> 00:31:35,312
It's going to get worse before it gets better.

547
00:31:35,372 --> 00:31:38,012
Then I think it will get better than we could have ever possibly imagined.

548
00:31:38,672 --> 00:31:40,052
But that's going to take some time.

549
00:31:40,772 --> 00:31:48,552
But this is the thing, too, is I think what I see so much from people, we talked about the kind of political influencer class a little bit earlier.

550
00:31:48,552 --> 00:31:52,472
and getting back to that slightly, one of the things that I think frustrates me, I'm sure it

551
00:31:52,472 --> 00:31:57,032
frustrates you and a lot of Bitcoiners is when you see this sort of political class, whether it be

552
00:31:57,032 --> 00:32:01,072
the politicians or the influencers or whatever, but politicians really are just elected influencers.

553
00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:04,352
That's what it comes down to, right? That's, that's basically what their job is. That's,

554
00:32:04,872 --> 00:32:09,592
you know, uh, let's, let's be honest about it. But when you see them, the focus is always on

555
00:32:09,592 --> 00:32:14,272
the problem, but they're never actually focused on the problem. They're focused on a problem that

556
00:32:14,272 --> 00:32:18,252
happens to be whatever that particular problem is for them, that hot button talking point topic,

557
00:32:18,252 --> 00:32:21,552
that they drill home in all their speeches when they hold their hands like this,

558
00:32:21,672 --> 00:32:23,892
which no real person ever holds their hand like this,

559
00:32:23,952 --> 00:32:26,352
but for some reason politicians do that weird thumb thing.

560
00:32:26,452 --> 00:32:27,012
I'm like, what are you doing?

561
00:32:27,532 --> 00:32:28,332
Nobody does that.

562
00:32:28,972 --> 00:32:29,712
Quit being a freak.

563
00:32:30,472 --> 00:32:33,392
But they have their topics, their problems, their issues

564
00:32:33,392 --> 00:32:34,852
that they can always blame on the other side

565
00:32:34,852 --> 00:32:36,272
and talk about how they're going to be the savior.

566
00:32:36,272 --> 00:32:38,012
They have the God complex.

567
00:32:38,132 --> 00:32:39,772
They're the ones that's going to come in and fix this for you,

568
00:32:39,812 --> 00:32:41,112
and they're the only ones who can do it.

569
00:32:41,712 --> 00:32:43,012
But they never talk about the problem.

570
00:32:43,312 --> 00:32:44,772
They never talk about the fundamental problem.

571
00:32:44,812 --> 00:32:47,592
They never talk about the base layer foundational problem,

572
00:32:47,592 --> 00:32:52,892
which is the broken money. And so they're always talking about the problem, always putting blame,

573
00:32:52,972 --> 00:32:56,232
always doing this. And here's how I'm going to solve it. But that doesn't actually solve anything.

574
00:32:56,232 --> 00:33:00,092
It's a bandaid on a chainsaw wound, right? It's like, you just, you just cut off your leg at the

575
00:33:00,092 --> 00:33:03,492
knee with a chainsaw, but it's like, well, let's put a bandaid on. It should be fine. That'll get

576
00:33:03,492 --> 00:33:09,392
me elected. They never go deeper because they can't go deeper. And it made me think of something

577
00:33:09,392 --> 00:33:14,192
else that you said about this tendency for humans to want to play God. And I actually think very

578
00:33:14,192 --> 00:33:21,412
fundamentally, it's that tendency that has made fiat currency what it is, right? It's that,

579
00:33:21,532 --> 00:33:25,412
because what are you doing when you have control of the money printer? You are essentially saying,

580
00:33:25,412 --> 00:33:30,332
I am God. I am me in this little group of, you know, unelected banker bureaucrats.

581
00:33:30,652 --> 00:33:35,612
We're smarter than the entire world. We're smarter than everybody acting in their own

582
00:33:35,612 --> 00:33:39,852
self-interest in the free market. We can't allow that free market to happen. So we must set the

583
00:33:39,852 --> 00:33:45,312
price of money. We are smarter than we can't possibly let people just freely exchange value

584
00:33:45,312 --> 00:33:50,332
and use money that's not being debased by us. We have to control it. And so it's like the ultimate

585
00:33:50,332 --> 00:33:55,552
fiat God complex is thinking that you are smarter than the free market, smarter than individuals

586
00:33:55,552 --> 00:33:59,612
just working in their self-interest, doing things selfishly, what I think is going to be best for me

587
00:33:59,612 --> 00:34:04,232
and my family. And that that coordination mechanism, that messy, messy coordination mechanism

588
00:34:04,232 --> 00:34:08,972
is somehow, you know, it's just inferior. We can't let that happen. We got to control this.

589
00:34:08,972 --> 00:34:09,832
We had to control the economy.

590
00:34:09,892 --> 00:34:11,072
We had to centrally plan it, right?

591
00:34:11,492 --> 00:34:11,692
Yep.

592
00:34:12,432 --> 00:34:13,332
And that's the thing.

593
00:34:14,212 --> 00:34:16,332
But most people aren't ready to have that conversation, Brandon.

594
00:34:16,412 --> 00:34:20,132
Most people, if I say stuff like that, you know, like, well, but we should have some,

595
00:34:20,332 --> 00:34:21,612
you know, well, there should be so many.

596
00:34:21,732 --> 00:34:22,252
And it's like, no.

597
00:34:22,332 --> 00:34:23,092
Eyes glaze over.

598
00:34:23,092 --> 00:34:29,772
No, because it doesn't, because even a little bit of it, even a little distortion ruins those

599
00:34:29,772 --> 00:34:30,572
free market incentives.

600
00:34:30,632 --> 00:34:35,652
It just distorts what would otherwise be good incentives and perverts.

601
00:34:35,712 --> 00:34:38,732
And this is why I'm against any subsidy of any kind, right?

602
00:34:38,732 --> 00:34:41,152
because it just creates perverse incentives.

603
00:34:41,852 --> 00:34:43,332
And people have so much trouble with that

604
00:34:43,332 --> 00:34:43,952
because they're like, well, yeah,

605
00:34:43,952 --> 00:34:45,432
we should get rid of like solar subsidies,

606
00:34:45,432 --> 00:34:48,372
but we should still keep subsidies for the farmers and oil.

607
00:34:48,452 --> 00:34:50,552
And it's like, no, no, we shouldn't.

608
00:34:50,752 --> 00:34:52,232
That's why we're in this mess.

609
00:34:52,332 --> 00:34:54,552
But people, they just don't want to hear that.

610
00:34:54,692 --> 00:34:56,172
They don't want to hear that everything

611
00:34:56,172 --> 00:34:57,272
that they've been voting for

612
00:34:57,272 --> 00:35:00,872
has just made things worse and worse and worse.

613
00:35:00,872 --> 00:35:02,452
And that when they keep voting,

614
00:35:02,592 --> 00:35:04,412
they make things continually worse.

615
00:35:04,492 --> 00:35:06,632
Like that's the really, that's at the core of it

616
00:35:06,632 --> 00:35:09,212
is you can't vote your way out of this.

617
00:35:09,692 --> 00:35:11,132
If you could vote your way out of it,

618
00:35:11,172 --> 00:35:12,732
we would have already voted our way out of it,

619
00:35:12,832 --> 00:35:14,152
but you can't, so we haven't.

620
00:35:14,812 --> 00:35:16,112
But most people just are not,

621
00:35:16,452 --> 00:35:18,432
they're not prepared for that.

622
00:35:18,592 --> 00:35:21,312
I don't know if democracy really works fundamentally.

623
00:35:21,932 --> 00:35:23,992
Like, yeah, that's maybe a different story,

624
00:35:24,052 --> 00:35:24,932
but I don't know where you stand on this,

625
00:35:25,012 --> 00:35:27,592
but it's like, it's been a really interesting experiment,

626
00:35:27,592 --> 00:35:28,092
I think.

627
00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:30,932
I don't know how well it actually works in practice.

628
00:35:32,312 --> 00:35:34,172
And the system can be gamed,

629
00:35:34,412 --> 00:35:36,192
and it can be gamed now more than ever.

630
00:35:36,632 --> 00:35:38,372
and it's like, you know,

631
00:35:38,452 --> 00:35:41,872
people are always going to vote for their side to get more free stuff, right?

632
00:35:41,932 --> 00:35:43,092
That's just a fundamental thing.

633
00:35:43,132 --> 00:35:45,812
So you've got perverse incentives at what is supposed to be the base

634
00:35:45,812 --> 00:35:49,132
coordination layer, which is going to fundamentally pervert the entire system.

635
00:35:49,792 --> 00:35:52,412
I don't know. Are you a, you're a democracy fan? I mean,

636
00:35:52,432 --> 00:35:54,512
democracy is great, right? It was just, you know,

637
00:35:55,192 --> 00:35:59,272
it's great in theory. And this is like, like communism,

638
00:35:59,392 --> 00:36:01,832
communism is great in theory too. I mean, like if we're all even,

639
00:36:01,832 --> 00:36:05,912
we're all equal and like, we're all robots and like, yeah, like that's in theory.

640
00:36:05,912 --> 00:36:11,972
There's a saying in hockey, like growing up, we always say like you can't destroy your stick on the ice and you can't like the paper.

641
00:36:12,272 --> 00:36:19,532
You got to play the game, you know, and like in reality, a lot of these economic systems or these political systems don't hold up to reality.

642
00:36:19,792 --> 00:36:20,732
In theory, they're great.

643
00:36:20,972 --> 00:36:23,492
But in practice, they don't play out that well.

644
00:36:24,232 --> 00:36:26,352
And so democracy is one of those things, too.

645
00:36:26,432 --> 00:36:27,632
And this is to your point.

646
00:36:27,672 --> 00:36:31,152
This is why we were a federal constitutional republic.

647
00:36:31,332 --> 00:36:31,512
Right.

648
00:36:31,512 --> 00:36:36,612
And this is, this is like, it was the best system, you know, that was, we had from, you

649
00:36:36,612 --> 00:36:38,292
know, you know, it's like, it's like finding Bitcoin.

650
00:36:38,392 --> 00:36:41,272
It's like finding this protocol of like, Hey, we put together the best things that people

651
00:36:41,272 --> 00:36:42,952
have been trying to do for a long, long time.

652
00:36:42,952 --> 00:36:44,472
And we studied all of them like, Hey, here.

653
00:36:44,792 --> 00:36:48,352
And, and, and look, I mean, it obviously created what we have now and we have today.

654
00:36:48,412 --> 00:36:49,892
And it's lasted this long.

655
00:36:49,952 --> 00:36:50,212
Generally.

656
00:36:50,212 --> 00:36:53,212
I mean, again, I'm, people could argue like, well, you know, broke a while ago and it's

657
00:36:53,212 --> 00:36:54,032
like, yeah, okay, we can.

658
00:36:54,232 --> 00:36:58,252
But I would, I would say that that's because 1913 happened and we had, you know, the third

659
00:36:58,252 --> 00:36:59,552
central bank finally is here.

660
00:36:59,552 --> 00:37:02,252
and now it's here for 100 plus years, 110, 112 years, whatever.

661
00:37:02,492 --> 00:37:04,532
And that to me is the breaking of it.

662
00:37:04,752 --> 00:37:05,352
And that's why it's broke.

663
00:37:05,772 --> 00:37:09,212
I look at it, Walker, as like you have your economic,

664
00:37:09,872 --> 00:37:11,392
your money that you choose,

665
00:37:11,472 --> 00:37:13,632
going back to these biblical principles too

666
00:37:13,632 --> 00:37:16,472
of just the foundation, right?

667
00:37:16,492 --> 00:37:19,652
If you choose to build your house on rock or sound money,

668
00:37:19,652 --> 00:37:22,452
then you're going to have an economic system

669
00:37:22,452 --> 00:37:24,252
or a political system that you can put on top of that.

670
00:37:24,492 --> 00:37:25,732
But if you have this system where like,

671
00:37:25,752 --> 00:37:28,812
hey, we have capitalism or even a republic or whatever it is,

672
00:37:28,812 --> 00:37:34,592
it's going to dissolve into this quicksand because if you have this broken world, or I shouldn't say,

673
00:37:34,632 --> 00:37:38,472
because I know, I know I'm saying it's broken money. It kind of gives people this false

674
00:37:38,472 --> 00:37:41,892
perception in a way, because if you have currencies are doing exactly, and you kind of mentioned this

675
00:37:41,892 --> 00:37:44,652
earlier a little bit, but they're doing exactly what they're supposed to do, which is steal your

676
00:37:44,652 --> 00:37:48,692
time and energy and play God. It's a bunch of people at the top thinking, I know better than

677
00:37:48,692 --> 00:37:53,252
you. I know better than the entire free market of all 1 trillion inputs every day that go into the

678
00:37:53,252 --> 00:37:58,392
economy. We know better than that. And so you're playing God. And, and so now you've built this,

679
00:37:58,392 --> 00:38:02,792
this house or this economic system in this country on top of sand or quicksand. And so,

680
00:38:02,872 --> 00:38:07,532
of course, it's going to eventually dissolve and fall into the sand, just become gobbledygook and

681
00:38:07,532 --> 00:38:10,632
just this mess. And no one can figure out what's going on. That's exactly where we find ourselves

682
00:38:10,632 --> 00:38:16,412
now. So you have to rebuild your system. And where I'm going with this is a lot of people confuse

683
00:38:16,412 --> 00:38:18,932
it too. I've gotten a lot of arguments with people, actually. And of course, they're usually

684
00:38:18,932 --> 00:38:25,272
finance people. They're highly educated, 120, 150 IQ people who are telling you, well, inflation is

685
00:38:25,272 --> 00:38:28,972
part of capitalism and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, no, these are, these things

686
00:38:28,972 --> 00:38:33,652
are not together. They, like, they conflate all of it. And then, and don't understand that these,

687
00:38:33,872 --> 00:38:38,232
the money you choose to use is not part of this economic system. You could have any type of money

688
00:38:38,232 --> 00:38:42,092
you wanted. And then you put an economic or political system on top of that. These, just

689
00:38:42,092 --> 00:38:45,752
like Bitcoin's in layers. Most people don't know that, right? Like they don't understand. These

690
00:38:45,752 --> 00:38:49,292
things are built in layers. You don't just like, it's like one size fits all. It's like just how

691
00:38:49,292 --> 00:38:52,652
everyone wants to like, it's a vending machine. It's like, oh, one size fits all. It's like,

692
00:38:52,652 --> 00:38:54,112
I do everything in my life now.

693
00:38:54,192 --> 00:38:55,632
It's like, that's not how these things work.

694
00:38:56,032 --> 00:39:00,332
And so because we've had, going back to government-run schooling and all these things for so long,

695
00:39:00,632 --> 00:39:02,912
people don't, not only do they not learn it, they don't even know how to learn it.

696
00:39:02,912 --> 00:39:03,632
They don't know what to do.

697
00:39:03,772 --> 00:39:04,552
They don't know what to think.

698
00:39:04,612 --> 00:39:05,572
They don't even know how to think.

699
00:39:05,752 --> 00:39:10,852
And so we found ourselves in this state of disarray where it's hard to just climb back out of.

700
00:39:10,932 --> 00:39:15,472
And that's coming back to a lot of things we've been saying, like the strong man world is why you have this strong man come back in.

701
00:39:15,492 --> 00:39:17,592
Because you've gotten off the rails so much.

702
00:39:17,592 --> 00:39:21,412
I mean, you look at the Roman empire, these republics again, that had sound money that

703
00:39:21,412 --> 00:39:23,152
worked for hundreds of years.

704
00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:26,512
And then all of a sudden they start debasing the currency, you know, coin clipping and

705
00:39:26,512 --> 00:39:27,172
melting them down.

706
00:39:27,272 --> 00:39:31,432
And then, so what happening is that the train is so far off the track at this point.

707
00:39:31,492 --> 00:39:34,652
And the thing, the term I keep, the term I keep using is event horizon.

708
00:39:34,832 --> 00:39:39,512
Like, I feel like we've crossed the event horizon of, I don't know how you, you can't

709
00:39:39,512 --> 00:39:42,052
put the train, you can't just like in one fell swoop, put the train back on the tracks

710
00:39:42,052 --> 00:39:46,592
because the train so far off the tracks that people, what's got us here is these little

711
00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:47,032
movements.

712
00:39:47,032 --> 00:39:51,032
We're like, okay, we get the train up off the tracks and it's like, you know, one yard away.

713
00:39:51,132 --> 00:39:53,632
But now we find ourselves like 10 miles away from the tracks.

714
00:39:53,732 --> 00:39:55,072
So now people just want like this one.

715
00:39:55,212 --> 00:39:55,772
And we all do it.

716
00:39:55,792 --> 00:39:56,232
Like I do it.

717
00:39:56,272 --> 00:39:57,352
We're like, well, it's just one solution.

718
00:39:57,572 --> 00:39:58,812
And it's like, that's not how it works.

719
00:39:58,832 --> 00:40:03,392
Like you have to like implement this thing back just as slowly basically as it began.

720
00:40:03,552 --> 00:40:04,532
But that's not how life works.

721
00:40:04,812 --> 00:40:06,012
People go, you go to civil war.

722
00:40:06,052 --> 00:40:08,912
Like you go to these wars, revolutions, civil wars.

723
00:40:09,012 --> 00:40:10,072
It doesn't work like that.

724
00:40:10,232 --> 00:40:13,292
Again, theory, it's great, but it doesn't play out in reality like that.

725
00:40:13,292 --> 00:40:16,012
So all that to be said, it's, you know, the Republic.

726
00:40:16,012 --> 00:40:18,212
This is why they've been attacking the Electoral College.

727
00:40:18,372 --> 00:40:21,812
They attack all these institutions and how we are designed purposely.

728
00:40:22,252 --> 00:40:29,832
The Electoral College is one of the most unbelievable things to have because it keeps from, like what you just said, it keeps from mob rule.

729
00:40:29,932 --> 00:40:33,572
It keeps from four cities in the entire country dictating who's the president.

730
00:40:33,812 --> 00:40:36,372
But again, no one even knows how the Electoral College works.

731
00:40:36,752 --> 00:40:40,772
If you looked at 100 people, 99 of them would say, well, yeah, get rid of that.

732
00:40:40,872 --> 00:40:43,032
I mean, even me, all 100 would say, yeah, get rid of that thing.

733
00:40:43,092 --> 00:40:44,352
We should just be whoever votes it in.

734
00:40:44,392 --> 00:40:45,232
Like, that's how it happens.

735
00:40:45,572 --> 00:40:46,372
It's like, yeah, you're right.

736
00:40:46,492 --> 00:40:48,272
A bunch of these geniuses didn't know what they were doing.

737
00:40:48,392 --> 00:40:51,572
And we've had all this freedom for so long because we didn't do that.

738
00:40:51,632 --> 00:40:53,372
I mean, it's just it's nonsensical.

739
00:40:53,492 --> 00:40:56,472
So to your point, the original question, yes, democracy, not a fan.

740
00:40:56,752 --> 00:40:58,172
We devolve into mob rule.

741
00:40:58,332 --> 00:40:58,992
It's natural.

742
00:40:59,732 --> 00:41:05,452
And we have Democratic, like a Democratic characteristic of like we vote because that's

743
00:41:05,452 --> 00:41:06,292
part of like a democracy.

744
00:41:06,532 --> 00:41:08,312
But that's the only real like Democratic thing we have.

745
00:41:08,512 --> 00:41:12,212
And if you notice, Republicans and Democrats have been saying this for a long time, like

746
00:41:12,212 --> 00:41:13,432
10, 15, 20 years.

747
00:41:13,432 --> 00:41:17,912
they they say democracy right democracy dies in darkness it's the wall street journal headline

748
00:41:17,912 --> 00:41:21,932
or whatever it is like a washington post it's their little headline we don't have a democracy

749
00:41:21,932 --> 00:41:26,392
for crying out loud like it's it's the it's a weaponized language we you know social security

750
00:41:26,392 --> 00:41:31,092
like it's going to secure you later in life like all these things are just completely bastardized

751
00:41:31,092 --> 00:41:47,104
and it a psyop to make you think like oh and they all do it all the politicians they all know like their democracy is an affront to our democracy this is an insurrection against a democracy it not a democracy And that again but the average person has no idea because we so dependent Because the money is fiat or the currency

752
00:41:47,164 --> 00:41:47,624
We don't have money.

753
00:41:47,704 --> 00:41:50,224
We have currency and doesn't have a story value to it.

754
00:41:50,244 --> 00:41:51,784
So they just are able to keep you on the hamster wheel.

755
00:41:52,184 --> 00:41:53,084
And here we are.

756
00:41:53,124 --> 00:41:56,344
We don't have time to even figure out what's happening, to even see what's going on, to

757
00:41:56,344 --> 00:41:57,184
even ask a question.

758
00:41:57,544 --> 00:41:59,924
And the average person is just right back on the hamster wheel the next day.

759
00:42:00,104 --> 00:42:01,044
No time to do any of it.

760
00:42:01,184 --> 00:42:02,424
And then when they get home, they're so tired.

761
00:42:02,424 --> 00:42:03,504
They just want to flip on the game.

762
00:42:03,504 --> 00:42:06,284
to get to bring up their polymarker, their Cal sheet or all this stuff, right?

763
00:42:06,324 --> 00:42:07,824
Get on draft Kings and just, you know,

764
00:42:07,884 --> 00:42:10,884
piss the rest of their life away because they're too tired of doing anything else.

765
00:42:10,944 --> 00:42:11,804
And they know that the month,

766
00:42:11,824 --> 00:42:14,104
they're not going to have money for rent because it's been inflated away.

767
00:42:14,244 --> 00:42:15,824
So they're just like, you know what?

768
00:42:15,924 --> 00:42:16,424
It's here.

769
00:42:16,464 --> 00:42:17,144
I'm going up to Canada.

770
00:42:17,284 --> 00:42:18,204
We're getting the maid program.

771
00:42:18,304 --> 00:42:19,484
You know, like I just, I'm done.

772
00:42:19,624 --> 00:42:21,964
I've had it, you know, so it's sad.

773
00:42:22,064 --> 00:42:23,264
You got a laugh walker, right?

774
00:42:23,284 --> 00:42:24,164
Or otherwise you cry.

775
00:42:24,964 --> 00:42:27,364
So you got, we laugh to keep from weeping.

776
00:42:28,124 --> 00:42:32,384
So, so this actually, I think is a good transition to one of the other topics

777
00:42:32,384 --> 00:42:36,744
I wanted to bring up with you, which is around education. Because I think what you were saying

778
00:42:36,744 --> 00:42:41,464
is spot on about that even Bitcoin, like Bitcoin doesn't fix everything just by existing, right?

779
00:42:41,744 --> 00:42:49,084
It creates an architecture in which we have the possibility of fixing things. But we have to also,

780
00:42:49,644 --> 00:42:55,304
we have to fix other things. Like Bitcoin doesn't inherently necessarily automatically snap your

781
00:42:55,304 --> 00:43:00,604
fingers, Bitcoin exists, everything's fixed. No. We also have to look at the other underlying

782
00:43:00,604 --> 00:43:06,764
things. And I think one of the most important things is our educational system. I was homeschooled.

783
00:43:07,024 --> 00:43:11,464
I also then made the decision to go into high school. And so I've seen both sides of the coin,

784
00:43:11,544 --> 00:43:16,024
right? I was homeschooled and then saw the public school thing that gave me some insights on both

785
00:43:16,024 --> 00:43:22,284
sides of things. You homeschool your kids. I think that's fantastic. I know a ton of Bitcoiners and

786
00:43:22,284 --> 00:43:26,464
people in general now are looking at homeschooling and saying, huh, maybe this is something I need to

787
00:43:26,464 --> 00:43:30,104
look at because look at what the education system is doing. I mean, it's not an education system,

788
00:43:30,104 --> 00:43:31,544
It's an indoctrination system, right?

789
00:43:31,784 --> 00:43:40,304
It's modeled after, you know, you look at the places where, I forget if you and I have talked about this before, but, you know, Germany, homeschooling is illegal there still.

790
00:43:40,684 --> 00:43:41,644
Who made it illegal?

791
00:43:42,364 --> 00:43:43,424
Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

792
00:43:43,844 --> 00:43:44,864
Why would they do that?

793
00:43:45,004 --> 00:43:48,764
Why would the Nazis not want to make it illegal for you to homeschool your kids?

794
00:43:48,964 --> 00:43:51,644
Well, because then they wouldn't be able to indoctrinate them.

795
00:43:51,944 --> 00:43:57,204
Then you could educate them at home as you see fit, and they wouldn't be indoctrinated with your Nazi propaganda.

796
00:43:57,604 --> 00:43:58,264
They couldn't allow that.

797
00:43:58,264 --> 00:44:03,624
And then that idea of compulsory public schooling goes even back further to kind of the Prussian era, right,

798
00:44:03,664 --> 00:44:08,464
and basically creating kids that would be good little workers or good little soldiers or both.

799
00:44:09,044 --> 00:44:12,984
And basically would sit up straight, stand in a row, stand in line, don't ask questions, do as you're told,

800
00:44:13,464 --> 00:44:16,084
and be a good little bit of cannon fodder there.

801
00:44:16,824 --> 00:44:21,104
But when did you make the decision, your wife, to homeschool your kids?

802
00:44:21,104 --> 00:44:25,404
Was it from the very first kid you had, or did you guys start a little later?

803
00:44:25,524 --> 00:44:26,664
Can you talk about that a bit?

804
00:44:27,384 --> 00:44:28,664
Yeah, it's actually really interesting.

805
00:44:29,084 --> 00:44:35,784
So our oldest actually went to a private Catholic school for a couple years, for two years, for kindergarten and first grade.

806
00:44:36,164 --> 00:44:41,844
And it was actually a weird transition time because we, you know, long story, but it's like we had a tree like come through the kitchen in our house in a storm.

807
00:44:42,024 --> 00:44:43,464
So we actually were out of our house for a year.

808
00:44:43,564 --> 00:44:47,744
So like it just happened to be like we weren't in a great position to be doing homeschooling.

809
00:44:47,804 --> 00:44:49,844
We're living with like both of our parents at different times.

810
00:44:49,924 --> 00:44:50,644
It was wild times.

811
00:44:50,784 --> 00:44:52,464
Anyway, so that was a handful of years ago.

812
00:44:52,464 --> 00:44:57,444
and so we'd always kind of thought about um homeschooling to a degree and obviously the

813
00:44:57,444 --> 00:45:03,164
bitcoin community uh is a big reason for that as well and then covet obviously happened so that was

814
00:45:03,164 --> 00:45:08,744
that was a huge you know thing as well and for our time and just for what it was it was it made

815
00:45:08,744 --> 00:45:12,824
sense to go to school for year two but then you get into it and like the school is phenomenal the

816
00:45:12,824 --> 00:45:17,064
people are phenomenal you know all of it but again you have to be careful because generally you know

817
00:45:17,064 --> 00:45:20,984
the teachers are still taught at the same universities you know state you know government

818
00:45:20,984 --> 00:45:24,864
run schools or you know what or what have you or you know some of the big things that i had a problem

819
00:45:24,864 --> 00:45:29,264
with were the kids would go outside for recess once a day and for 20 minutes or 30 minutes and

820
00:45:29,264 --> 00:45:32,264
then they could rain a little bit and they're like oh sorry we're not going outside and it's like

821
00:45:32,264 --> 00:45:35,564
the kids should be doing that half the day like what are we doing like and then they come home

822
00:45:35,564 --> 00:45:39,724
with homework or like things like that and i'm like whoa whoa whoa like you know so then you read

823
00:45:39,724 --> 00:45:43,864
you know john taylor gatto books which you know daniel prince is the one that showed me those a

824
00:45:43,864 --> 00:45:49,724
number of years ago and um you know it's homework is there to control the children outside of the

825
00:45:49,724 --> 00:45:54,344
states reach and it's to control them so they can't go talk to their based uncle walker at seven

826
00:45:54,344 --> 00:45:57,204
o'clock at night because guess what they're doing homework you know i can't talk to based uncle

827
00:45:57,204 --> 00:46:01,324
brandon because you know so like it keeps the state in control even when they're not in school

828
00:46:01,324 --> 00:46:05,084
and you're like we've been doing this for eight hours a day like you couldn't figure this out for

829
00:46:05,084 --> 00:46:10,704
eight hours and so it's just this you have to have this healthy disdain for the the state in all

830
00:46:10,704 --> 00:46:15,864
aspects and you know we see now whether it's the food the schooling hollywood pop culture you know

831
00:46:15,864 --> 00:46:19,484
all these different things where they infiltrate i mean again going back to the frankfurt school

832
00:46:19,484 --> 00:46:24,184
you know the marxist coming over a hundred years ago and getting control of the schooling again

833
00:46:24,184 --> 00:46:28,464
even to a bigger degree than than even the rockefeller stuff or late 1800s early 1900s but

834
00:46:28,464 --> 00:46:34,344
all these kind of different facets coming together and then hollywood that was a a thing that they

835
00:46:34,344 --> 00:46:39,044
purposely took over hollywood because you know if you can control obviously the media and hollywood

836
00:46:39,044 --> 00:46:43,764
and all the big different tenants the kids when they're young even it was a bernie sanders guy a

837
00:46:43,764 --> 00:46:47,004
few years ago which it's not to i shouldn't even say who it was i guess but it was someone that

838
00:46:47,004 --> 00:46:51,244
working the Bernie Sanders campaign, but the point is it could be any side. And they admitted like,

839
00:46:51,304 --> 00:46:54,404
yeah, we have absolutely one of your kids in the state, even at three. That's why you see this

840
00:46:54,404 --> 00:46:58,424
push to, you know, the three years old and they're like in school and subsidizing it. And it's,

841
00:46:58,644 --> 00:47:02,184
it's a glorified daycare. And that's why the, again, because the parents from the hamster wheel,

842
00:47:02,464 --> 00:47:06,924
mom and dad, both of the work because we have fiat currencies. Now it's, it's like, well,

843
00:47:06,924 --> 00:47:10,564
it makes sense, you know? And then why do we think that the vouchers don't happen? All these things

844
00:47:10,564 --> 00:47:14,344
to like, get your money back from paying property taxes to go then do the schooling you want.

845
00:47:14,344 --> 00:47:19,644
why the hell is it like not past anywhere at all time it's always like this fight it it's so insane

846
00:47:19,644 --> 00:47:23,944
but when you zoom out you can't it's so hard to see and you and you said this for years walker

847
00:47:23,944 --> 00:47:27,964
right it's not red versus blue it's the state versus you and if you can't you can really only

848
00:47:27,964 --> 00:47:34,164
see that generally from the bitcoin ecosystem that's the only place where you're in a protocol

849
00:47:34,164 --> 00:47:38,404
outside of all of that and and you know gold and silver guys might you know they're they're

850
00:47:38,404 --> 00:47:42,304
they're kind of there but you're still like hanging off the edge of the titanic because you're still

851
00:47:42,304 --> 00:47:46,264
you're still it's still rooted in in fiat and you're measuring through fiat you're not measuring

852
00:47:46,264 --> 00:47:49,764
you know ounces because you can't globally transact with anyone because bitcoin you can

853
00:47:49,764 --> 00:47:53,904
globally transact and it's an auditing system we're now off in this life raft and you can only

854
00:47:53,904 --> 00:47:58,124
see the titanic sinking from the life raft you cannot see these things from the life raft that's

855
00:47:58,124 --> 00:48:02,344
why school none of all the things we're saying don't make sense if you're still in those systems

856
00:48:02,344 --> 00:48:06,004
fighting red versus blue shuffling deck chairs trying to vote for a new captain after you've hit

857
00:48:06,004 --> 00:48:10,104
the iceberg well good luck you're still going to be 12 000 feet under the water in the next four

858
00:48:10,104 --> 00:48:15,884
hours. It does not matter. So we, we, as soon as we were able to, we pulled the kids out of school

859
00:48:15,884 --> 00:48:20,064
because we were, you know, again, our jobs are flexible. I mean, we do this stuff, you know,

860
00:48:20,064 --> 00:48:26,284
full-time doing, you know, Bitcoin education. And my wife has a flexible job. She's an attorney.

861
00:48:26,584 --> 00:48:31,604
And so she, she's flexible in what she's doing in the area of practice she's in. So we were able to,

862
00:48:31,744 --> 00:48:33,884
and they're just sitting there like you're dropping our kids off at school. I mean,

863
00:48:33,924 --> 00:48:37,224
none of it made sense. We're like, why am I dropping you off when I'm at home working?

864
00:48:37,224 --> 00:48:42,804
Like it didn't even make sense. And so all of it, you know, they, you don't eat as well. Um,

865
00:48:42,884 --> 00:48:47,384
you know, every single aspect of it. And then, then the, at night, the only memory was like an

866
00:48:47,384 --> 00:48:51,004
hour or two at night, like tucking them in at night. Like my memory is every day, just the same

867
00:48:51,004 --> 00:48:54,664
thing, just tucking them in at night. And it was like, when do I get to teach them stuff? Like,

868
00:48:54,684 --> 00:48:59,644
when do we get to learn real things? And so all these things just kind of come together in your

869
00:48:59,644 --> 00:49:04,284
head and you realize, Oh, and then on top of that, the amount of time, right? Like, you know,

870
00:49:04,284 --> 00:49:08,624
the homeschooling part of it is an hour a day, maybe per kid, right? Like it's 30 minutes when

871
00:49:08,624 --> 00:49:12,444
they're young, you know, an hour a day max when they're young. It's like, you're just sitting

872
00:49:12,444 --> 00:49:17,084
there. It's like maybe a couple hours total to do all the kids cumulatively. And, and you're just

873
00:49:17,084 --> 00:49:20,024
like, wow. And then they're out playing, playing and they're doing stuff. And then they're doing

874
00:49:20,024 --> 00:49:23,284
stuff with dad, doing stuff with mom, you know, depending on who's home at the time or whatever

875
00:49:23,284 --> 00:49:28,064
it is. So they're learning about real world stuff. And we get to, you know, turn on the TV for one

876
00:49:28,064 --> 00:49:32,164
hour and watch, you know, whatever the, you know, something that's, you know, Tuttle Twins or we're

877
00:49:32,164 --> 00:49:35,804
watching something where it's like actually educational or like, you know, something to that

878
00:49:35,804 --> 00:49:39,464
effect. But it was, it was a little bit of an evolution in the sense of we knew we kind of

879
00:49:39,464 --> 00:49:43,144
want to do that. No one in our families had done that. So that was a little bit of like the, the

880
00:49:43,144 --> 00:49:46,964
scariness of like, Hey, no, one's done this. What are our parents or our family's going to think?

881
00:49:47,004 --> 00:49:51,444
And fortunately our families are all pretty good. And they're pretty, pretty open to, to Jessica

882
00:49:51,444 --> 00:49:57,844
and I's craziness, extremeness, I guess. And being revolutionary, I guess, just a mindset. So

883
00:49:57,844 --> 00:50:02,404
they're they're all open to it and and now you know ironically of some of our siblings and things

884
00:50:02,404 --> 00:50:06,784
like that or doing it or thinking about it and things of that nature so it just you know it takes

885
00:50:06,784 --> 00:50:10,264
one person that's where like again it's these little things over time coming back to what we

886
00:50:10,264 --> 00:50:14,444
were talking about earlier it just takes one person to do something different or whatever it is and

887
00:50:14,444 --> 00:50:17,884
then look you know families start changing you know your kids are changing and that's where like

888
00:50:17,884 --> 00:50:21,124
you said earlier i have great hope for the future too just because i see all of our kids and they

889
00:50:21,124 --> 00:50:25,444
know the difference between bitcoin and and the rest of the currencies out there they know they

890
00:50:25,444 --> 00:50:30,584
don't know anything different so in 20 years from now when they're of age and they will only know

891
00:50:30,584 --> 00:50:33,484
one thing they will know the difference between all these things unlike all of us who had to go

892
00:50:33,484 --> 00:50:37,904
through life and didn't know any of this stuff and now we're getting rude awakenings they the

893
00:50:37,904 --> 00:50:42,024
younger generations will know much different and this will be very normal to them to even homeschool

894
00:50:42,024 --> 00:50:45,304
or whatever and you know this natural defunding on the state and moving to places that treat you

895
00:50:45,304 --> 00:50:50,644
better using money that doesn't steal from you all these different things that this naturally over

896
00:50:50,644 --> 00:50:54,784
time one thing after another you know we were talking to parker lewis recently and he was just

897
00:50:54,784 --> 00:50:59,664
saying like again it's this inflection point where you know he thinks it's one out of 20 people

898
00:50:59,664 --> 00:51:03,984
that that have to really understand bitcoin and get it you get to this point where like one you

899
00:51:03,984 --> 00:51:07,404
know this guy gets it and that girl gets it and that guy gets it and it just slowly happens over

900
00:51:07,404 --> 00:51:10,664
time and then this you know the gradually and suddenly and all of a sudden we get to a point

901
00:51:10,664 --> 00:51:14,924
where enough people in society it's just this tipping point the iceberg flipping the gradually

902
00:51:14,924 --> 00:51:19,024
and suddenly and just boom all of a sudden people get it and that's the defunding of the dollar you

903
00:51:19,024 --> 00:51:23,684
know the the value of the dollar going to zero you know one day in in the future whenever that is

904
00:51:23,684 --> 00:51:25,164
That's hyperinflation, loss of confidence.

905
00:51:25,164 --> 00:51:27,604
A couple percent of people say, no more, I'm not accepting this.

906
00:51:28,204 --> 00:51:33,284
So again, all that to be said, I don't go down too many tangents, but it took a few years.

907
00:51:33,404 --> 00:51:36,424
I always give people a few years of grace, especially if that's all you're used to,

908
00:51:36,464 --> 00:51:40,164
is the government-run complying and memorized, and this is the way it is,

909
00:51:40,184 --> 00:51:41,164
and this is what our family's done.

910
00:51:41,544 --> 00:51:44,644
It took us a couple years to get our affairs in order, make sure.

911
00:51:44,804 --> 00:51:45,804
I was doing real estate full-time.

912
00:51:45,964 --> 00:51:49,884
I retired from playing hockey in 2012, and was in the minor leagues for a few years.

913
00:51:49,884 --> 00:51:52,964
and then I did real estate and investing in gold and silver,

914
00:51:53,164 --> 00:51:55,584
did real estate for 10, 11 years, whatever it was,

915
00:51:55,864 --> 00:51:56,844
helping people do that,

916
00:51:57,124 --> 00:51:58,324
investing in my own properties,

917
00:51:58,564 --> 00:51:59,384
like doing all this stuff.

918
00:52:00,124 --> 00:52:02,364
And then once Bitcoin becomes obvious,

919
00:52:02,784 --> 00:52:05,584
to me, it was, holy cow, I need to get out of all this.

920
00:52:05,844 --> 00:52:06,604
This is un-Sitanic.

921
00:52:06,684 --> 00:52:07,564
This is all the fiat world.

922
00:52:07,624 --> 00:52:08,904
I need to get out of this somehow.

923
00:52:09,564 --> 00:52:11,904
And so it just, this journey is natural evolution.

924
00:52:12,024 --> 00:52:13,884
I even look for me and I'm empathetic for people

925
00:52:13,884 --> 00:52:15,404
why they don't see things clearly.

926
00:52:15,404 --> 00:52:17,144
Because for me, this has been 20 years.

927
00:52:17,244 --> 00:52:18,944
I mean, 20, 25 years of being very political,

928
00:52:18,944 --> 00:52:23,384
then seeing the 08 crash when i'm graduating from michigan state university seeing that firsthand

929
00:52:23,384 --> 00:52:28,804
living through that and then raising money having a business you know having the people that work

930
00:52:28,804 --> 00:52:33,984
for me all these things over the years and i only know and have conviction what i know because of

931
00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:37,784
all these experiences then i empathize and realize that a lot of people didn't have these experiences

932
00:52:37,784 --> 00:52:41,964
so it just comes back to edifying what you were saying earlier again like it's going to take time

933
00:52:41,964 --> 00:52:46,104
what parker said too like it's going to take time and we all it seems obvious and it should happen

934
00:52:46,104 --> 00:52:50,924
tomorrow because it is obvious once you do see it, but it seems psychotic when you don't. Right.

935
00:52:50,924 --> 00:52:54,904
So we're all psychopaths to the person who doesn't understand this and hasn't lived all these

936
00:52:54,904 --> 00:53:00,684
experiences. And, and so anyway, the schooling part is, is for anyone who can do it, you have

937
00:53:00,684 --> 00:53:04,884
to look into it. It's, it's unbelievable. And the relationships that you, your kids have, I will say

938
00:53:04,884 --> 00:53:08,784
this to a really quick story of some friends of ours, they were homeschooling for a few years.

939
00:53:08,784 --> 00:53:12,784
Then they were having, they have five kids and they're having some issues just with like some

940
00:53:12,784 --> 00:53:14,524
of the kids and stuff like that.

941
00:53:15,444 --> 00:53:16,604
Not to go into crazy detail,

942
00:53:16,684 --> 00:53:17,424
but they put them into school

943
00:53:17,424 --> 00:53:20,784
just earlier this year for a month.

944
00:53:21,184 --> 00:53:21,444
And we're like,

945
00:53:21,484 --> 00:53:22,064
immediately we're like,

946
00:53:22,464 --> 00:53:23,364
no, this is brutal.

947
00:53:23,464 --> 00:53:24,384
And it's a private school too.

948
00:53:24,484 --> 00:53:25,544
Not the same one we went to,

949
00:53:25,604 --> 00:53:26,444
but they're like,

950
00:53:26,584 --> 00:53:27,104
no, this is brutal.

951
00:53:27,364 --> 00:53:29,164
Kids, immediate habits were worse.

952
00:53:29,284 --> 00:53:29,604
Everything.

953
00:53:29,704 --> 00:53:30,524
They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

954
00:53:30,784 --> 00:53:31,204
Pulled them out.

955
00:53:31,324 --> 00:53:32,464
Like a month, month and a half later,

956
00:53:32,524 --> 00:53:33,704
already pulled them back out again.

957
00:53:33,924 --> 00:53:34,384
We're like, no, no,

958
00:53:34,404 --> 00:53:35,184
we will make this work.

959
00:53:35,244 --> 00:53:35,844
We'll figure out.

960
00:53:36,744 --> 00:53:37,484
It's Wild Walker.

961
00:53:37,804 --> 00:53:38,244
Just, you know,

962
00:53:38,284 --> 00:53:38,924
I don't have to tell you,

963
00:53:38,984 --> 00:53:40,324
you already know I'm preaching to the choir,

964
00:53:40,444 --> 00:53:41,344
but it's a wild.

965
00:53:41,344 --> 00:53:42,004
If anyone can do it,

966
00:53:42,784 --> 00:53:47,104
it. You have to look into it and see how you can do it. And I think one of the things is that you

967
00:53:47,104 --> 00:53:50,144
touched on, which is really important for people to realize, and what I always try to stress is

968
00:53:50,144 --> 00:53:55,104
that like most people think, oh, I, I couldn't do that. I can't do that. I don't have the time to do

969
00:53:55,104 --> 00:53:58,224
that. You know, depending on what your job situation is, what your financial situation is,

970
00:53:58,224 --> 00:54:02,204
whatever. But what you said is something that's so important. And I can echo that this is the same,

971
00:54:02,244 --> 00:54:07,344
was the same for me in the nineties when I was, you know, being homeschooled, right?

972
00:54:08,044 --> 00:54:12,104
Is that the time commitment, you think it's going to be a larger time commitment

973
00:54:12,104 --> 00:54:18,984
than it is because your entire concept of how much time school takes is based on a system that

974
00:54:18,984 --> 00:54:24,764
caters to the lowest common denominator and whose sole purpose is to be daycare and indoctrination

975
00:54:24,764 --> 00:54:29,244
and to be a place where you send your kids to go for somebody else to raise them. Basically,

976
00:54:29,324 --> 00:54:33,484
you've got people spending, you've got basically state administrators spending more time with your

977
00:54:33,484 --> 00:54:38,944
own kids than you do. Now that just doesn't smack right to me, right? But when you, when you homeschool,

978
00:54:38,944 --> 00:54:43,524
you literally only need, and this isn't to say you're like giving them some like, well,

979
00:54:43,984 --> 00:54:47,324
you know, little Johnny, you got a grade of a butterfly today. And, and, and Beth,

980
00:54:47,424 --> 00:54:51,864
you got a grade of two giraffes, like, because we don't do A's and B's. No, it's, it's not that

981
00:54:51,864 --> 00:54:55,724
you can do the literally the exact curriculum that the school does. If you want to, it just

982
00:54:55,724 --> 00:55:00,684
doesn't take very much time because most of the time that's spent in school in public school is

983
00:55:00,684 --> 00:55:05,284
just wasted. It's just filler time. And it's also catering, especially if you have a smart kid,

984
00:55:05,284 --> 00:55:11,464
yeah it will beat that out of them one and it will make them slow down to the lowest common

985
00:55:11,464 --> 00:55:16,124
denominator the slowest basically quintile of that of that class right even if you have all

986
00:55:16,124 --> 00:55:19,844
the advanced placement and all that doesn't matter it doesn't matter it will do that but

987
00:55:19,844 --> 00:55:24,004
you only need a couple hours a day like that's it you don't need to do any homework beyond that

988
00:55:24,004 --> 00:55:28,404
either especially at that age none of that matters none of that matters at all how much do you use

989
00:55:28,404 --> 00:55:33,324
from when you were you know eight years old exactly it's not like yeah it's good like you

990
00:55:33,324 --> 00:55:37,904
know, for you to learn like math and like how to write and like, and science and things

991
00:55:37,904 --> 00:55:38,184
like that.

992
00:55:38,184 --> 00:55:41,864
But like, again, you don't need to be doing a bunch of meaningless fucking bullshit homework.

993
00:55:41,864 --> 00:55:44,464
That's just busy work meant to keep them occupied after school.

994
00:55:44,524 --> 00:55:46,324
So the teachers can say, look, I did my curriculum.

995
00:55:46,424 --> 00:55:47,564
I did what I was supposed to.

996
00:55:47,604 --> 00:55:48,924
I can check that off with the state board.

997
00:55:49,344 --> 00:55:53,284
No, you need a couple hours a day and then your kids should literally be outside and be

998
00:55:53,284 --> 00:55:58,224
exploring and be messing around and getting into some mischief and starting fires, not

999
00:55:58,224 --> 00:56:03,304
in an arson way, but like in a constructive way and just doing things that kids should

1000
00:56:03,304 --> 00:56:07,224
do. They don't need to spend, they should never spend all that time indoors. Like that's the most

1001
00:56:07,224 --> 00:56:12,824
insidious part of it is just indoors, fluorescent lighting, maybe windows if you're lucky,

1002
00:56:12,824 --> 00:56:18,824
often not. And it's just like, that's not an environment that is conducive to anyone's learning.

1003
00:56:18,824 --> 00:56:23,224
Like that's, that's, that's not going to be good. Right. They will develop worse habits there. And I

1004
00:56:23,224 --> 00:56:27,704
can, I can speak from experience there. You know, that is a, cause I can, I've seen both sides of

1005
00:56:27,704 --> 00:56:32,824
this coin, but really there's one thing I can impress upon people to like, if my mom as a,

1006
00:56:32,824 --> 00:56:36,844
she was an English major. She wasn't had no degree in education. She was had no degree in

1007
00:56:36,844 --> 00:56:42,104
sciences or anything like that. If she could homeschool my sister and I, and then if both

1008
00:56:42,104 --> 00:56:45,884
of us, when we did go to public school, I was and finished high school. Number one,

1009
00:56:46,324 --> 00:56:49,924
my sister finished number two, different grade. She only finished number two because they gave

1010
00:56:49,924 --> 00:56:53,464
her an a minus and PE class, because that's a thing that should matter for you. You know,

1011
00:56:53,464 --> 00:57:01,544
just like stupid stuff. Like point being like, if my mom can do it before all of the tools that

1012
00:57:01,544 --> 00:57:04,784
are available now and you can attest to this, like all of the different, like you have access

1013
00:57:04,784 --> 00:57:08,804
to the world at your fingertips online. Like my mom had to get, you know, I think it was like

1014
00:57:08,804 --> 00:57:14,144
the sunlight curriculum or something mailed to us, you know, like, and had to do this all like,

1015
00:57:14,284 --> 00:57:17,524
you know, then we started using the internet once, you know, once it got a little bit better,

1016
00:57:17,544 --> 00:57:20,724
there was more stuff available, but now it's just night and day difference. There's so much

1017
00:57:20,724 --> 00:57:25,304
available to you. So many resources, all sorts of like even AI tutors and stuff now too, which are

1018
00:57:25,304 --> 00:57:30,024
like really good for a lot of stuff. But the most important thing is it's like, it's about time.

1019
00:57:30,024 --> 00:57:35,804
do you want to spend that time with your kids or do you want to abdicate the responsibility for your

1020
00:57:35,804 --> 00:57:41,864
kids and give that responsibility to the state i know the answer for me you know the answer for you

1021
00:57:41,864 --> 00:57:45,164
but that's what people you have to be really conscious about it but the other thing is i

1022
00:57:45,164 --> 00:57:49,904
think that a lot of people feel as well depending on your working situation right because typically

1023
00:57:49,904 --> 00:57:55,604
in most families these days most parents have to work or you know have to work they're like

1024
00:57:55,604 --> 00:57:59,204
i think people have also kind of tricked themselves into thinking well we have to do this because if

1025
00:57:59,204 --> 00:58:02,044
If one of us didn't work, we would take a cut to our standard of life.

1026
00:58:02,104 --> 00:58:05,784
We wouldn't have the same standard of life, but it's like, what's the point of that?

1027
00:58:05,864 --> 00:58:08,024
What's the point of that standard of living?

1028
00:58:08,664 --> 00:58:12,984
Is the point of it to provide the best possible life for you and your family?

1029
00:58:13,684 --> 00:58:16,964
Because if so, the best way to do that for your kids is to spend more time with them,

1030
00:58:17,464 --> 00:58:18,504
not to spend less.

1031
00:58:19,124 --> 00:58:24,624
They're not going to care that you got them a little bit more expensive toy.

1032
00:58:24,684 --> 00:58:25,624
They're going to care if you were there.

1033
00:58:26,524 --> 00:58:27,824
Were you there? Were you with them?

1034
00:58:27,824 --> 00:58:30,044
And that matters more than anything else.

1035
00:58:30,724 --> 00:58:35,044
And it's something I, but I think Bitcoiners really need to look at this and again, do

1036
00:58:35,044 --> 00:58:35,524
whatever you want.

1037
00:58:35,604 --> 00:58:36,624
They're not, they're not my kids.

1038
00:58:36,664 --> 00:58:37,164
They're your kids.

1039
00:58:37,224 --> 00:58:38,364
You should decide, right?

1040
00:58:38,364 --> 00:58:40,244
That's like, uh, I'm not the state.

1041
00:58:40,244 --> 00:58:43,144
I'm not trying to tell you what to do with your kids or not do with what your kids, but

1042
00:58:43,144 --> 00:58:47,924
I really think it's like, man, what maybe another sidebar here is what really blows

1043
00:58:47,924 --> 00:58:50,484
my mind is people who spend a ton of money.

1044
00:58:50,604 --> 00:58:54,884
I know a lot of people like this who spend a lot of money to send their kids to like

1045
00:58:54,884 --> 00:59:00,404
really expensive like daycare programs, really expensive daycare or preschool or, or, you know,

1046
00:59:00,664 --> 00:59:04,444
kindergarten programs like before it's not even any school. It's it's, that's just daycare. Right.

1047
00:59:05,044 --> 00:59:09,824
Now I can like a couple hours a week or something to get like some time with other kids and to do

1048
00:59:09,824 --> 00:59:13,264
cool stuff. Like, okay, that's a, that's a different story. Some Montessori style education.

1049
00:59:13,384 --> 00:59:17,624
Great. Okay. Different story. But like, if you're just sending your kids to a daycare, you know,

1050
00:59:17,764 --> 00:59:22,084
daycare service all day, every day, paying a ton of money for it. And then most of one person's

1051
00:59:22,084 --> 00:59:28,344
after-tax salary goes towards childcare, just get rid of that. Just get rid of the childcare and get

1052
00:59:28,344 --> 00:59:32,884
rid of that salary. And you're basically breaking even with a lower tax bracket, like because you

1053
00:59:32,884 --> 00:59:36,584
have less income. You know what I mean? Like, I don't understand that for some people. It's just

1054
00:59:36,584 --> 00:59:42,224
like, but again, to each their own, maybe it's not for everyone. But I can pretty much guarantee

1055
00:59:42,224 --> 00:59:46,504
that you, Brent, I'm sure I haven't met your kids, but if I had to guess, I'd say they are probably

1056
00:59:46,504 --> 00:59:51,504
incredibly well-adjusted, have no issues talking to anyone of any age. That's usually one of the

1057
00:59:51,504 --> 00:59:55,544
biggest marks of homeschooled kids is they don't have some weird complex about like talking to

1058
00:59:55,544 --> 01:00:00,284
adults or being weird around adults no it's just they just they can talk to anyone because they

1059
01:00:00,284 --> 01:00:04,764
haven't been artificially segmented into you only hang out with people who are your exact same age

1060
01:00:04,764 --> 01:00:08,844
and if there's an adult in the room they are the only authority figure there and you must listen

1061
01:00:08,844 --> 01:00:13,144
to them regardless of you know what what myths what uh you think of mrs smith and whether or not

1062
01:00:13,144 --> 01:00:17,164
you think she's a moron right like you got to listen to him i don't know i'm rambling now but

1063
01:00:17,164 --> 01:00:18,844
No, I think it's such an important thing.

1064
01:00:19,244 --> 01:00:19,844
It's huge.

1065
01:00:20,064 --> 01:00:21,124
It really is.

1066
01:00:21,224 --> 01:00:22,244
And you do see it.

1067
01:00:22,244 --> 01:00:30,624
And it is, again, like growing up in government run schools myself and then and then seeing the kids in and out for even for a couple of years and then seeing friends like some of these stories.

1068
01:00:30,764 --> 01:00:34,344
It is so like you said, the habits, everything is just wildly different.

1069
01:00:34,344 --> 01:00:40,524
And there are these artificial things you don't even realize, like you just don't realize as a parent or even as a kid growing up.

1070
01:00:40,704 --> 01:00:43,724
There's these like, you know, you're grouped in with all the kids your own age.

1071
01:00:43,724 --> 01:00:45,644
It's just like, you know, again, it's wild.

1072
01:00:45,644 --> 01:00:49,604
And now because of the time, you know, we're able to do a lot of other things, too.

1073
01:00:49,684 --> 01:00:50,904
Like we're able to go on trips.

1074
01:00:51,024 --> 01:00:52,944
You know, we've taken a couple of Bitcoin conferences.

1075
01:00:53,324 --> 01:00:57,664
You know, we've done, you know, they do jujitsu, you know, once or twice a week.

1076
01:00:57,744 --> 01:00:59,444
They do, you know, yeah.

1077
01:00:59,484 --> 01:01:00,684
I mean, like it's amazing.

1078
01:01:00,684 --> 01:01:01,704
And, you know, they do piano.

1079
01:01:01,824 --> 01:01:02,624
They do jujitsu.

1080
01:01:02,804 --> 01:01:03,624
They're doing tennis.

1081
01:01:03,704 --> 01:01:06,624
Like they're doing all these things, you know, skating a little bit.

1082
01:01:06,684 --> 01:01:08,024
Now it's cold out right now.

1083
01:01:08,124 --> 01:01:11,824
So, you know, like we get to do things that you just don't normally get to do.

1084
01:01:12,184 --> 01:01:15,484
And it's just completely beat out of you the other direction.

1085
01:01:15,644 --> 01:01:36,004
And so you have this, again, this weird game theory, I feel like, it almost plays out with children as well, because you just made me think of it a minute ago where we're so caught up in what's going on in Ukraine or what's going on in all these other areas of the world instead of focusing on what's important right in front of us and just dealing with what's right in front of us.

1086
01:01:36,004 --> 01:01:40,184
And it's like this weird game theory of like, well, you know, no one else is doing it.

1087
01:01:40,284 --> 01:01:45,504
So like I have to go do, you know, I have to go make sure I'm thinking about Ukraine, too.

1088
01:01:45,604 --> 01:01:47,124
Like no other person is.

1089
01:01:47,284 --> 01:01:48,664
It's like, well, who cares what other people are doing?

1090
01:01:48,744 --> 01:01:49,824
You know, like do it for yourself.

1091
01:01:49,824 --> 01:01:59,644
Like focus on your family, your kids, because if you do that, then everyone else will eventually start doing it at some point in life, too, whether it's through Max Payne or you're leading by example.

1092
01:02:00,004 --> 01:02:05,324
And these things play out because if everyone's focusing on their own family and spending time with their children and growing their children,

1093
01:02:05,324 --> 01:02:07,644
then a lot of these problems melt away.

1094
01:02:07,644 --> 01:02:09,544
They cease to exist because we're focusing

1095
01:02:09,544 --> 01:02:10,764
on what's right in front of us

1096
01:02:10,764 --> 01:02:12,324
instead of looking over the children,

1097
01:02:12,324 --> 01:02:14,444
looking over our spouse right in front of us

1098
01:02:14,444 --> 01:02:16,244
and worrying about what's going on in Ukraine

1099
01:02:16,244 --> 01:02:17,544
or what's going on over in the Middle East

1100
01:02:17,544 --> 01:02:18,664
or what's going on in the Far East.

1101
01:02:18,664 --> 01:02:20,244
It's like, you've got problems right here.

1102
01:02:20,244 --> 01:02:22,184
Like you have people right here that want your attention,

1103
01:02:22,184 --> 01:02:24,624
they want your love and we don't even give that to them.

1104
01:02:24,624 --> 01:02:37,596
And we all guilty to this to some degree right But being present right We hear lot about like intentional parenting nowadays and all these like millennial Gen X millennial Gen Z terms and all this stuff It like just be with your kids Like if you there

1105
01:02:37,676 --> 01:02:41,056
just be there. You just like, do it, you know, like put the phone down, like do these,

1106
01:02:41,136 --> 01:02:45,516
these simple things. And it's in the life. Like when you talk to old people and you see it,

1107
01:02:45,516 --> 01:02:50,076
they generally aren't saying like, oh man, I wish I didn't have so many kids or I wish I had,

1108
01:02:50,216 --> 01:02:53,236
you know, they're saying like, I wish I would have had kids or like, I wish I, I mean, how many,

1109
01:02:53,236 --> 01:02:56,716
how many 40 year olds are going to see like crying in their phone women like i wish i would

1110
01:02:56,716 --> 01:02:59,916
have had kids this stupid you know career you know blah blah blah blah blah i've been doing

1111
01:02:59,916 --> 01:03:05,836
for 20 years just every day you you look at someone breaking down and entrapped on the hamster wheel

1112
01:03:05,836 --> 01:03:10,456
and being sold a lie just shipped down the river and like cattle and in you know what's the

1113
01:03:10,456 --> 01:03:14,176
washington quote of like you know just dumb and silent will be led to slaughter and just no one

1114
01:03:14,176 --> 01:03:18,356
waking up and saying i'm going a different way and it's not fun it's not easy as you well know

1115
01:03:18,356 --> 01:03:22,456
and bitcoiners know like you're you're made fun of a lot you're how many again the fud the endless

1116
01:03:22,456 --> 01:03:28,576
like just you know dealing with objections it's it's a very um it's not a very fun life in that

1117
01:03:28,576 --> 01:03:32,816
sense of like you're just constantly dealing with people like fighting you all the time and there's

1118
01:03:32,816 --> 01:03:38,496
some sickness i probably in all of us us bitcoiners that we we just you know my my coach at michigan

1119
01:03:38,496 --> 01:03:42,516
state he always used to say you got to love to battle and you know he's saying in hockey terms

1120
01:03:42,516 --> 01:03:46,336
right but like you know you're in their corners or you're in front of the net you know like that's

1121
01:03:46,336 --> 01:03:49,936
your area that's your territory you have to love to battle and and that's life you know it's a

1122
01:03:49,936 --> 01:03:54,076
microcosm of life you have to love to battle and you know battling for yourself battling for your

1123
01:03:54,076 --> 01:03:58,736
family for your spouse for your children um battling for the truth battling for you know

1124
01:03:58,736 --> 01:04:04,176
it's just we've lost that you know and so i i always go back to like men don't get punched in

1125
01:04:04,176 --> 01:04:08,636
the face anymore it's always like my theory of like growing up in in the 90s right like we you

1126
01:04:08,636 --> 01:04:11,956
wrestle like we'd wrestle as kids it was like really the last vestiges of like you get in fights

1127
01:04:11,956 --> 01:04:15,176
with your buddy who are playing you know whatever you like some game and you get in a fight and

1128
01:04:15,176 --> 01:04:18,496
you're getting you know yelling each other and you get punched you get you're wrestling now it's

1129
01:04:18,496 --> 01:04:21,556
the kids are in front of the screen the whole time. They're just on the iPad. They're doing

1130
01:04:21,556 --> 01:04:24,556
all these things where it's like, there's no feedback loop. It's like, I can keyboard warrior

1131
01:04:24,556 --> 01:04:27,476
to anything in the world, but like, you're not going to say that to my face. And because it's

1132
01:04:27,476 --> 01:04:30,436
just like, we've, we have this world where like, we think we can just get away with anything. And

1133
01:04:30,436 --> 01:04:34,176
then we've broken all these feedback loops. So, you know, Bitcoin again, reintroduces these

1134
01:04:34,176 --> 01:04:39,556
feedback loops and reestablishes to build foundation on this, this firm, you know,

1135
01:04:39,576 --> 01:04:44,056
concrete to rebuild the structures on top of that on sound money. And, and so it just,

1136
01:04:44,056 --> 01:04:48,776
it all comes full circle, but it's, man, if people can do it, uh, it just, you look into it and

1137
01:04:48,776 --> 01:04:52,736
because it is the best thing, you know, being with, you know, and again, seeing the old people

1138
01:04:52,736 --> 01:04:56,656
and what they say about, you know, the children, I wish I would have spent more time with my kids or,

1139
01:04:56,736 --> 01:05:01,076
you know, whatever it is. And homeschooling does a long way towards doing this. If you are mobile,

1140
01:05:01,076 --> 01:05:05,816
if you work at home or whatever it is, and it's, you read, I will say this too. Like when I,

1141
01:05:05,816 --> 01:05:09,696
when our kids started homeschooling, like it was a learning process for me. Like I had to learn

1142
01:05:09,696 --> 01:05:13,536
to be around the kids more almost, especially as a guy, you know, and just, you know, being,

1143
01:05:13,536 --> 01:05:17,136
being vulnerable in that sense or like you know being vulnerable you know right now and i tell

1144
01:05:17,136 --> 01:05:22,016
people at times i probably should talk more about it but it's you you as a guy like you are away

1145
01:05:22,016 --> 01:05:25,416
more so you're kind of like okay like well what do i do here like oh it's just me and the kids or

1146
01:05:25,416 --> 01:05:29,896
whatever oh you know and so it's there's this very real like learning that has to go through but like

1147
01:05:29,896 --> 01:05:34,196
the relationships i've seen even with my kids and just them together is night and day from what it

1148
01:05:34,196 --> 01:05:39,436
was you know three years ago or you know so anyway it's you could talk about it forever but it's i

1149
01:05:39,436 --> 01:05:41,076
I think the point's been made.

1150
01:05:41,196 --> 01:05:42,596
It's something to look into if you can.

1151
01:05:43,656 --> 01:05:44,576
I love it.

1152
01:05:44,616 --> 01:05:46,976
And I've got one follow-up point that I've got to say,

1153
01:05:47,036 --> 01:05:49,176
and then maybe a zooming out moment.

1154
01:05:49,336 --> 01:05:51,396
The follow-up point is around the being punched in the face.

1155
01:05:51,476 --> 01:05:52,116
It's so funny you say that.

1156
01:05:52,176 --> 01:05:53,576
Like, I've told this to Carlos so many times.

1157
01:05:53,636 --> 01:05:56,236
I'm like, you ever see a guy acting like a real bitch?

1158
01:05:56,736 --> 01:05:59,256
Probably he's never been punched in the face hard in his life.

1159
01:05:59,396 --> 01:06:02,556
Like, I think every guy needs to get punched in the face at least once.

1160
01:06:02,556 --> 01:06:05,476
And whether that's in the gym, you know, or whether that's like,

1161
01:06:05,576 --> 01:06:08,876
if you like never, like, man, we used to beat the shit out of each other,

1162
01:06:08,876 --> 01:06:10,336
like with big sticks.

1163
01:06:10,776 --> 01:06:13,356
Like, I mean, like, like do damage, like real big damage.

1164
01:06:13,376 --> 01:06:14,776
And then it's like, you go inside.

1165
01:06:14,836 --> 01:06:16,136
Does anybody say shit to the parents?

1166
01:06:16,376 --> 01:06:17,776
No, you shut that.

1167
01:06:17,876 --> 01:06:21,036
You shut the hell up, you know, beating the shit out of each other, playing boot hockey,

1168
01:06:21,216 --> 01:06:25,096
you know, you know, dropping somebody into a chokehold, like cracking their head on the

1169
01:06:25,096 --> 01:06:26,136
ice and everybody goes in.

1170
01:06:26,196 --> 01:06:27,056
Don't you dare cry.

1171
01:06:27,196 --> 01:06:28,696
Don't you dare cry in there, Jimmy.

1172
01:06:28,936 --> 01:06:30,256
Because like, we don't want this room.

1173
01:06:30,256 --> 01:06:31,436
We're going to go back out after lunch.

1174
01:06:32,076 --> 01:06:32,236
Yeah.

1175
01:06:33,436 --> 01:06:33,876
But no.

1176
01:06:34,476 --> 01:06:34,836
Okay.

1177
01:06:34,856 --> 01:06:36,516
So that aside, everyone should get punched in the face.

1178
01:06:36,576 --> 01:06:38,796
If you've never been punched in the face, punch yourself right now.

1179
01:06:38,876 --> 01:06:47,036
hard in the face better than nothing um or just financial advice just um manhood advice but the

1180
01:06:47,036 --> 01:06:51,276
the other thing is like maybe like zooming out because we i know you and i could both go on for

1181
01:06:51,276 --> 01:06:56,716
hours like about homeschooling specifically but in the in the interest of of maybe like starting

1182
01:06:56,716 --> 01:07:00,716
to put a bow around this i think as we zoom out one of the reasons that this is so important is

1183
01:07:00,716 --> 01:07:05,596
because as bitcoiners i believe it is very important for us to sort of draw lines in the sand

1184
01:07:05,596 --> 01:07:10,076
in terms of what is non-negotiable for us. One of the things that's non-negotiable for me

1185
01:07:10,076 --> 01:07:15,356
is the state telling me what to do with my kids. That is non-negotiable for me. There's no way

1186
01:07:15,356 --> 01:07:19,756
I'm going to accept a world like they live in in Germany where they can tell me, no,

1187
01:07:19,756 --> 01:07:24,876
it is illegal for you to homeschool your kids and we will take them away if you break the law.

1188
01:07:24,876 --> 01:07:28,316
And that's what happens. Like that is what will happen if you try to homeschool your kids in

1189
01:07:28,316 --> 01:07:33,196
Germany. And Germany's, I don't need to pick on Germans. A lot of German friends love me some

1190
01:07:33,196 --> 01:07:38,476
some German time, big pretzel and Bratswurst fan. Uh, also a fine Pilsner beer, you know,

1191
01:07:38,476 --> 01:07:43,776
every now and again, but that sucks. That sucks that the state can tell you, you're not allowed

1192
01:07:43,776 --> 01:07:47,376
to do that with your kids. You're not allowed to do what you know to be right for your children.

1193
01:07:47,616 --> 01:07:51,696
I won't accept that. I don't think we should as big coaches. And I think we need to find more of

1194
01:07:51,696 --> 01:07:56,456
these lines in the sand where we say, no, no, the state has no business here. This is, this is

1195
01:07:56,456 --> 01:08:01,936
nothing. This state has no right to tell me what to do with my children. Like, okay. You said,

1196
01:08:01,936 --> 01:08:04,536
well, Walker, what if you're abusing kids?

1197
01:08:04,656 --> 01:08:05,776
I'm not, all right?

1198
01:08:05,976 --> 01:08:08,056
And for people, that's a different conversation, right?

1199
01:08:08,056 --> 01:08:10,456
If we're talking about people that are abusive parents,

1200
01:08:10,776 --> 01:08:12,056
that's a completely different conversation.

1201
01:08:12,056 --> 01:08:14,356
And that's the same sort of argument that's like,

1202
01:08:14,456 --> 01:08:15,476
oh, we can't allow Bitcoin

1203
01:08:15,476 --> 01:08:17,616
because some people might use it for criminal activities.

1204
01:08:18,456 --> 01:08:22,376
You do not punish the law-abiding citizens

1205
01:08:22,376 --> 01:08:24,876
who are trying to simply do good and do well

1206
01:08:24,876 --> 01:08:27,696
because of the actions of a few, right?

1207
01:08:28,036 --> 01:08:30,236
But that's always the excuse they use.

1208
01:08:30,276 --> 01:08:31,396
And I think we need to look at these

1209
01:08:31,396 --> 01:08:33,196
as things that are non-negotiables for us,

1210
01:08:33,256 --> 01:08:33,916
where it's like, no, no, no.

1211
01:08:34,516 --> 01:08:37,076
You need to push back hard against the state

1212
01:08:37,076 --> 01:08:38,496
trying to tell you what to do with your kids

1213
01:08:38,496 --> 01:08:40,076
or what to do with your money

1214
01:08:40,076 --> 01:08:42,856
or that you deserve to have privacy in the states.

1215
01:08:42,956 --> 01:08:44,156
And no, sorry, that's just too dangerous

1216
01:08:44,156 --> 01:08:46,876
because some people might commit acts of terrorism

1217
01:08:46,876 --> 01:08:47,936
if they have too much privacy.

1218
01:08:48,096 --> 01:08:50,136
Like, no, the state does this.

1219
01:08:50,176 --> 01:08:52,316
The state wants to encroach in every area.

1220
01:08:52,316 --> 01:08:56,556
And this is how they get you in totalitarian systems.

1221
01:08:57,076 --> 01:08:58,456
What do they start with?

1222
01:08:59,196 --> 01:09:01,716
Well, first they start with they disarm the populace.

1223
01:09:02,176 --> 01:09:05,376
Then they go and start checking to see who is going to be.

1224
01:09:05,536 --> 01:09:11,916
And I know this from experience, hearing from my in-laws and all the Romanian friends I have who grew up in communist Romania.

1225
01:09:12,716 --> 01:09:13,396
What did they do?

1226
01:09:13,456 --> 01:09:18,096
They went to the villages and first they had these rabble rousers who would go out there and say, we don't like communism.

1227
01:09:18,416 --> 01:09:19,076
Who's with us?

1228
01:09:19,096 --> 01:09:21,096
Sign this petition to show us you're against communism.

1229
01:09:21,576 --> 01:09:23,616
Well, they took everyone who signed that petition and threw them in jail.

1230
01:09:23,616 --> 01:09:24,476
It was a trap, right?

1231
01:09:24,616 --> 01:09:26,016
It was a trap that they threw.

1232
01:09:26,336 --> 01:09:27,196
They disarmed everyone.

1233
01:09:27,296 --> 01:09:28,316
They take away all private property.

1234
01:09:28,456 --> 01:09:32,456
they make sure you can't speak freely publicly or privately because everyone's watching you.

1235
01:09:32,456 --> 01:09:35,756
But how do you make sure people can't speak freely privately publicly? That's, that's easy,

1236
01:09:35,816 --> 01:09:38,976
right? Yeah. You shut down communication channels, you cut off from the outside world. You make sure

1237
01:09:38,976 --> 01:09:42,596
if no, everybody's scared shitless to say anything in public or the party will get you.

1238
01:09:42,996 --> 01:09:46,916
But privately, how do you do that? It's a lot harder inside the home. It's a lot easier now

1239
01:09:46,916 --> 01:09:51,096
that you have digital surveillance, but back then in the premise still applies. Well, you need to

1240
01:09:51,096 --> 01:09:56,736
have somebody who's willing to tattle from within the home. How do you get that? You take the youngest

1241
01:09:56,736 --> 01:09:58,676
and most impressionable members of that family.

1242
01:09:58,856 --> 01:10:01,296
You put them in indoctrination camps,

1243
01:10:01,416 --> 01:10:02,856
aka compulsory public schooling,

1244
01:10:03,036 --> 01:10:05,496
and you make sure that you tell them exactly

1245
01:10:05,496 --> 01:10:07,336
how terrible it would be

1246
01:10:07,336 --> 01:10:09,556
if their parents were to say something like,

1247
01:10:09,756 --> 01:10:11,456
we don't like the Communist Party.

1248
01:10:12,396 --> 01:10:14,116
And that for their parents' own safety,

1249
01:10:14,176 --> 01:10:15,356
if they were to say something like that,

1250
01:10:15,416 --> 01:10:17,236
they should, of course, the child should come in

1251
01:10:17,236 --> 01:10:17,896
and tell the teacher

1252
01:10:17,896 --> 01:10:19,976
to make sure that the teacher can then, of course,

1253
01:10:20,336 --> 01:10:21,956
get the parents the help that they need,

1254
01:10:21,956 --> 01:10:23,536
the re-education that they need.

1255
01:10:24,296 --> 01:10:26,076
This is the insidious thing about schooling.

1256
01:10:26,076 --> 01:10:31,756
This is why totalitarians must control education, because if you can control the next generation

1257
01:10:31,756 --> 01:10:36,856
of minds, you can control the country forever, if you always have that control.

1258
01:10:37,476 --> 01:10:40,156
And so that's why homeschooling is so fundamentally important.

1259
01:10:40,276 --> 01:10:43,916
I was talking with you about this, talked with Daniel Prince about this, and credit to him

1260
01:10:43,916 --> 01:10:44,696
because he's the one who said it.

1261
01:10:44,776 --> 01:10:49,176
I will quote him here, but it's like, you need the separation of education and state,

1262
01:10:49,276 --> 01:10:50,376
not just money and state.

1263
01:10:50,636 --> 01:10:54,656
Education and state needs to be separated too, and I think that's so fundamental, because

1264
01:10:54,656 --> 01:10:59,336
if we want to actually make the future that we know we can herald in the future we know we can

1265
01:10:59,336 --> 01:11:03,476
bring if we want to make it stick we need to make sure that the next generation that will inherit

1266
01:11:03,476 --> 01:11:09,956
that future is actually prepared to keep it right if that makes sense absolutely absolutely it's it

1267
01:11:09,956 --> 01:11:15,516
is it is fundamental and and we go through and what again what's tough with with everyone i think

1268
01:11:15,516 --> 01:11:21,536
is that it's it's this um this mentality of like the game's over like we've we've won and i've seen

1269
01:11:21,536 --> 01:11:25,896
it for so long it's like i said you know politically you know 20 years ago it was very political and it

1270
01:11:25,896 --> 01:11:30,296
would it would generally be like oh you won and then you just went away and and it's like okay

1271
01:11:30,296 --> 01:11:33,996
we won wash our hands of it and then it just goes away and like these these fights of separating

1272
01:11:33,996 --> 01:11:38,796
money and state separating church and state separating um education state these fights don't

1273
01:11:38,796 --> 01:11:43,736
end just because like a bill is signed into law or whatever even if whatever that's even worth at

1274
01:11:43,736 --> 01:11:48,736
this point now um you know look i mean the guy in office now can like pass things but then like if

1275
01:11:48,736 --> 01:11:50,356
The courts, you know, I think it's just, it's a fight.

1276
01:11:50,436 --> 01:11:51,756
Like nothing even like happens, right?

1277
01:11:51,756 --> 01:11:52,876
We've just evolved into such chaos,

1278
01:11:52,936 --> 01:11:54,296
but I'm not going to digress here.

1279
01:11:54,396 --> 01:11:56,576
It's, it's, it's this fight that never ends.

1280
01:11:56,636 --> 01:11:58,496
This is where coming back to, you have to love to battle.

1281
01:11:58,716 --> 01:12:02,196
We've learned, we've lost that, that will, that fight in us.

1282
01:12:02,296 --> 01:12:04,256
And that's why like, I'll get crazy.

1283
01:12:04,336 --> 01:12:06,596
I mean, I got, I, I'll, I'll lose it at times.

1284
01:12:06,596 --> 01:12:07,956
And like, people are like, just stack, you know,

1285
01:12:07,996 --> 01:12:09,256
stack, stack, stack and chill and just do that.

1286
01:12:09,276 --> 01:12:10,816
It's like, you got to have some fight in you.

1287
01:12:10,816 --> 01:12:12,756
You got to have some piss and vinegar in you.

1288
01:12:12,756 --> 01:12:15,096
Like, you got to like, show me some life here a little bit.

1289
01:12:15,156 --> 01:12:16,756
And that's where these fights never end.

1290
01:12:16,756 --> 01:12:21,236
they never stop there's there's always a new finish line and that's what i've seen from people

1291
01:12:21,236 --> 01:12:25,436
so much is like it's just like tiring it's like okay this is tiring like i just want my head back

1292
01:12:25,436 --> 01:12:30,116
in the sand like i i just want you know whatever and and someone's like like a lake of david goggins

1293
01:12:30,116 --> 01:12:33,976
for instance for instance the guy is always like there's never a finish line right he's got a big

1294
01:12:33,976 --> 01:12:37,096
following now but like that's tiring a lot of people i mean you see a lot of people talk about

1295
01:12:37,096 --> 01:12:41,596
it it's like that's tiring and it's like he's an extreme example maybe but like i'm making the

1296
01:12:41,596 --> 01:12:46,656
point in the sense that these fights never end and and so like separating education state this

1297
01:12:46,656 --> 01:12:51,276
it's so so incredibly massive and they go hand to hand you can't just do one and not the other

1298
01:12:51,276 --> 01:12:54,896
now i mean maybe the hope is that you do one of these big things and we get one of these things

1299
01:12:54,896 --> 01:12:58,896
accomplished uh and then the other happens you know maybe it's education state go first you know

1300
01:12:58,896 --> 01:13:03,156
it's maybe it's money in state and then hopefully then education state comes right after that these

1301
01:13:03,156 --> 01:13:07,596
dominoes start to fall where you know you hope that once you can get the money ripped away from

1302
01:13:07,596 --> 01:13:12,296
the state then then these things start to heal themselves the river starts to clean itself up

1303
01:13:12,296 --> 01:13:13,396
and it's not tainted as much.

1304
01:13:13,896 --> 01:13:16,416
Because again, you can't have honest society

1305
01:13:16,416 --> 01:13:17,916
from dishonest money,

1306
01:13:17,996 --> 01:13:19,756
just like you can't have good fruit from a bad tree.

1307
01:13:19,896 --> 01:13:20,696
It's impossible.

1308
01:13:21,016 --> 01:13:23,176
It's not how life works.

1309
01:13:23,256 --> 01:13:25,136
So we need to start reorienting ourselves

1310
01:13:25,136 --> 01:13:27,736
back to this truth and to have these,

1311
01:13:28,056 --> 01:13:29,376
because again, it goes back to, like we said earlier,

1312
01:13:29,616 --> 01:13:30,616
we're looking for the wrong,

1313
01:13:30,696 --> 01:13:31,576
we're asking the wrong questions.

1314
01:13:31,636 --> 01:13:32,896
It's like, who killed Charlie Kirk?

1315
01:13:32,956 --> 01:13:33,796
Who did this and that?

1316
01:13:33,856 --> 01:13:35,336
It's like, that's not the point.

1317
01:13:35,456 --> 01:13:37,076
That's not, why did it happen?

1318
01:13:37,216 --> 01:13:38,276
You know, how did it happen?

1319
01:13:38,356 --> 01:13:40,156
Those are the questions that we need to be asking.

1320
01:13:40,156 --> 01:13:43,216
and that's where, again, those at the top love

1321
01:13:43,216 --> 01:13:44,716
people go down these rabbit holes,

1322
01:13:44,896 --> 01:13:45,876
but they're missing the mark.

1323
01:13:46,076 --> 01:13:47,256
They're not asking the right questions.

1324
01:13:47,516 --> 01:13:49,356
So it goes people, they're chasing squirrels

1325
01:13:49,356 --> 01:13:50,576
or chasing shiny objects.

1326
01:13:50,576 --> 01:13:53,136
So they love it because it distracts really smart people

1327
01:13:53,136 --> 01:13:55,896
from, like you said, from asking the right questions

1328
01:13:55,896 --> 01:13:58,096
where most of society, again, they're 10 miles away.

1329
01:13:58,196 --> 01:13:59,216
They're another country away.

1330
01:13:59,416 --> 01:14:02,196
They're not near the target and that's fine too.

1331
01:14:02,396 --> 01:14:03,656
But the people that are most sinister,

1332
01:14:03,776 --> 01:14:05,356
the people that are right around, the Tucker Carlson's,

1333
01:14:05,356 --> 01:14:06,176
there are a lot of people, they're like,

1334
01:14:06,356 --> 01:14:08,576
they're right around the target and they're right there

1335
01:14:08,576 --> 01:14:09,816
and they're seemingly super smart

1336
01:14:09,816 --> 01:14:12,136
and they're putting together these really nice, well-crafted cases,

1337
01:14:12,296 --> 01:14:14,096
but they're not off the Titanic yet.

1338
01:14:14,336 --> 01:14:16,516
They're one town over in the target,

1339
01:14:16,776 --> 01:14:19,336
so the shrapnel doesn't affect the target,

1340
01:14:19,676 --> 01:14:22,016
and the target is separating these things.

1341
01:14:22,876 --> 01:14:27,276
It's minimizing the state and reducing it down to whatever size it is.

1342
01:14:27,276 --> 01:14:30,476
The size of a mustard seed or it doesn't exist.

1343
01:14:30,956 --> 01:14:34,676
Again, we can have these debates, but that's the world we need to be in,

1344
01:14:34,856 --> 01:14:36,296
and that's the world that I do believe.

1345
01:14:36,656 --> 01:14:38,636
If you would have told me, Walker, 20 years ago, again,

1346
01:14:38,636 --> 01:14:40,236
that we're in this position

1347
01:14:40,236 --> 01:14:41,556
where we're asking these questions

1348
01:14:41,556 --> 01:14:43,196
of like conspiracy theories

1349
01:14:43,196 --> 01:14:44,016
are just like out there

1350
01:14:44,016 --> 01:14:45,076
and people are talking about him.

1351
01:14:45,176 --> 01:14:46,376
The richest guy in the world,

1352
01:14:46,516 --> 01:14:47,956
who knows what side the guy's on,

1353
01:14:47,996 --> 01:14:48,436
doesn't matter,

1354
01:14:48,556 --> 01:14:50,056
but he's out there talking about

1355
01:14:50,056 --> 01:14:51,336
and those things are coming out of his mouth

1356
01:14:51,336 --> 01:14:52,956
and questioning mainstream narratives.

1357
01:14:53,116 --> 01:14:54,336
I would have laughed you out of the room.

1358
01:14:54,676 --> 01:14:55,516
So to your point,

1359
01:14:55,636 --> 01:14:56,696
I am greatly hopeful.

1360
01:14:56,916 --> 01:14:57,536
We have Bitcoin,

1361
01:14:57,656 --> 01:14:58,976
as you and Jeff Booth talked about.

1362
01:14:59,196 --> 01:15:00,176
We have these answers.

1363
01:15:00,316 --> 01:15:01,636
We have the ability to change things.

1364
01:15:01,736 --> 01:15:03,616
We're reorienting society

1365
01:15:03,616 --> 01:15:05,616
and people have never been asking these questions.

1366
01:15:05,836 --> 01:15:06,356
These are just,

1367
01:15:06,596 --> 01:15:07,496
it was so taboo.

1368
01:15:07,636 --> 01:15:08,156
I mean, you would have been,

1369
01:15:08,156 --> 01:15:11,116
you would have been laughed out of the room if you and i went into a room 20 years ago and said

1370
01:15:11,116 --> 01:15:14,376
a lot of these things we would have been laughed out of the room and now people actually engage

1371
01:15:14,376 --> 01:15:17,216
with you like you could actually have conversations with people with a lot about a lot of these things

1372
01:15:17,216 --> 01:15:22,656
because it's now it's starting to incept itself into more mainstream society which is absolutely

1373
01:15:22,656 --> 01:15:26,896
phenomenal so like again to your point like it is good to zoom out and realize we do need to

1374
01:15:26,896 --> 01:15:30,216
separate some of these huge things but we're going the right way i remember 10 years ago i was in

1375
01:15:30,216 --> 01:15:35,316
like a local chamber event and we had a lady that was there older lady her son was at u of m law

1376
01:15:35,316 --> 01:15:38,036
school university of michigan law school and she was like questioning she was like

1377
01:15:38,036 --> 01:15:43,336
why and this was 10 years ago this is like 2015 2016 2017 whatever it was and she was like i just

1378
01:15:43,336 --> 01:15:46,256
don't get it like you're getting all this debt this is dumb blah blah blah you know whatever

1379
01:15:46,256 --> 01:15:49,156
this is ufm law school i mean like that's like you know one of the biggest law schools in the

1380
01:15:49,156 --> 01:15:53,356
country or whatever it is but it's like she was even questioning it it's like i have seen personally

1381
01:15:53,356 --> 01:15:56,796
over time people just starting to question all these things we've been told and indoctrinated

1382
01:15:56,796 --> 01:16:01,596
for so long so that's where like again you zoom out and we get into this nitty-gritty at times as

1383
01:16:01,596 --> 01:16:06,076
we as we do and we have to but when you zoom out we are directionally going the right way

1384
01:16:06,076 --> 01:16:09,916
hands down without without a shadow of a doubt we are going the right direction doesn't mean

1385
01:16:09,916 --> 01:16:13,356
there's not gonna be bumps along the way it's not gonna be chaotic and it's gonna be crazy at times

1386
01:16:13,356 --> 01:16:17,556
it definitely is but we are directionally going the right way and that's really all you can ask

1387
01:16:17,556 --> 01:16:24,336
for at the end of the day amen to that you know what i love about this conversation is we have not

1388
01:16:24,336 --> 01:16:29,796
um even been tempted to talk about price because there's just there's there because it's the most

1389
01:16:29,796 --> 01:16:31,836
It's the most boring thing happening right now.

1390
01:16:31,836 --> 01:16:31,996
Yeah.

1391
01:16:32,656 --> 01:16:33,016
Yeah.

1392
01:16:34,236 --> 01:16:39,596
No, but, but I, I, this has been a, a great time getting the chance to do this with you.

1393
01:16:39,636 --> 01:16:41,456
I'm glad we made this happen today.

1394
01:16:41,896 --> 01:16:45,396
And again, I hope that this for Bitcoiners, for anybody who's listening, whether you're

1395
01:16:45,396 --> 01:16:48,016
a mom or a dad, probably more dads listening to this show than moms.

1396
01:16:48,016 --> 01:16:49,956
If there's some mommies out there, hello, mommies.

1397
01:16:50,096 --> 01:16:52,856
I'm glad you're listening to moms need Bitcoin as well.

1398
01:16:53,736 --> 01:16:59,616
Like, I hope this gave you some context for why Brandon and I feel so strongly about

1399
01:16:59,616 --> 01:17:02,836
homeschooling because again, and, and, you know, Daniel Prince is another person who's been out

1400
01:17:02,836 --> 01:17:07,676
there and his kids are in, I've had a chance to meet his kids, incredible kids. I mean, really

1401
01:17:07,676 --> 01:17:14,036
like, like amazing kids, those kids shine, um, and they will do great things in this world.

1402
01:17:14,036 --> 01:17:17,576
I am certain of that. And they're like, they've been going to Bitcoin conferences. They've been

1403
01:17:17,576 --> 01:17:22,356
speaking at Bitcoin conferences for like years. Uh, you know, his, his, his daughter has been on

1404
01:17:22,356 --> 01:17:26,936
his podcast, co-hosting with him, you know, for, for years. Like that's, that's amazing. Those are

1405
01:17:26,936 --> 01:17:32,776
kids that are already living in the future. And like, you can have that too. And that's, and again,

1406
01:17:32,776 --> 01:17:38,816
that's why it is so important. That's because you're going to see, I think a growing bifurcation,

1407
01:17:39,016 --> 01:17:46,296
a growing divide, a growing kind of line in the sand, again, if you will, between people who are

1408
01:17:46,296 --> 01:17:51,836
giving ever more responsibility for their own lives, for their family's lives, their children's

1409
01:17:51,836 --> 01:17:56,336
lives, for their futures to the state and people who are doing the exact opposite, trying to take

1410
01:17:56,336 --> 01:17:59,316
as much personal responsibility for that as possible.

1411
01:18:00,156 --> 01:18:01,556
Because that's really the only way you can go.

1412
01:18:01,636 --> 01:18:03,956
It's like, it's not going to stay static.

1413
01:18:04,236 --> 01:18:05,476
The state wants more power.

1414
01:18:05,996 --> 01:18:08,556
You as an individual should want the state to have less power

1415
01:18:08,556 --> 01:18:09,696
and for you to have more power.

1416
01:18:10,316 --> 01:18:12,576
But the only way that you get that is by taking it.

1417
01:18:12,896 --> 01:18:14,276
And it's going to mean some sacrifice.

1418
01:18:14,276 --> 01:18:15,616
And it's not going to be a cakewalk.

1419
01:18:15,696 --> 01:18:17,836
Like us saying, yeah, it's only a couple hours a day worth.

1420
01:18:17,896 --> 01:18:19,836
That doesn't mean it's easy, but it's worth it.

1421
01:18:20,036 --> 01:18:22,216
I can promise you, the older I have gotten,

1422
01:18:22,976 --> 01:18:25,216
and I tell my parents this every chance I get,

1423
01:18:25,216 --> 01:18:29,356
whenever they're, you know, they're here playing with our, our son and hanging out and seeing the

1424
01:18:29,356 --> 01:18:34,076
next generation, you know, that they've, they ushered in. I tell them the older I get, the

1425
01:18:34,076 --> 01:18:38,756
more grateful I am to them that they homeschooled me like with each passing year, because I see now,

1426
01:18:38,836 --> 01:18:43,556
especially now that I'm a parent, I see even more of the sacrifices they made that I never,

1427
01:18:43,556 --> 01:18:47,376
I wasn't paying attention to at the time. I couldn't understand as it can't, you can't know.

1428
01:18:47,536 --> 01:18:53,316
But now I'm like, Oh my God, wait, dad, you mean you were, you caught like 200 pitches a day from

1429
01:18:53,316 --> 01:18:56,876
me with like your bad knees from football and your bad, bad. And like, but you just, you just

1430
01:18:56,876 --> 01:19:01,256
did that for, you know, like, or, or, you know, like all of the things that they did that you come

1431
01:19:01,256 --> 01:19:05,536
to appreciate so much more. And I promise you, your kids will appreciate it too. Maybe not right

1432
01:19:05,536 --> 01:19:10,136
away. I'm not saying they're, you know, they're going to see it all, but they will see it and

1433
01:19:10,136 --> 01:19:13,556
they'll get more grateful over time. And I think that's one of the really powerful things is that

1434
01:19:13,556 --> 01:19:18,836
I think that it has the power to keep generations closer at the end of the day, which we need more

1435
01:19:18,836 --> 01:19:23,296
of. Like we need to be able to have kids learning from not just their parents also, but their

1436
01:19:23,296 --> 01:19:26,776
grandparents, their aunts and uncles, like you want that, you want that intergenerational

1437
01:19:26,776 --> 01:19:30,596
communication because it's so valuable. And that's one of the things that we started to lose, I think,

1438
01:19:30,676 --> 01:19:34,936
in really in modern society, quite a lot to our own detriment, honestly, to our own detriment.

1439
01:19:35,456 --> 01:19:40,036
Absolutely. Oh, go ahead. Oh, no, I was gonna say, I mean, that again, that's the John Taylor

1440
01:19:40,036 --> 01:19:43,116
Gatto books. I know, I know Daniel Prince has talked about this. I know you're, you know,

1441
01:19:43,116 --> 01:19:47,276
you're fond of it as well. I mean, it's like the intergenerational living is what we had for a

1442
01:19:47,276 --> 01:19:49,936
thousand of years, you know, and that was because those people that cared about you the most,

1443
01:19:49,996 --> 01:19:53,276
right? So they're going to parent you and they keep you online and whatever. But now we've

1444
01:19:53,276 --> 01:19:57,756
had you know really in the last 50 60 70 years we'll call it you know at least amplified at that

1445
01:19:57,756 --> 01:20:02,876
time was this peer-to-peer learning instead where it's like you know your friends your buddies that's

1446
01:20:02,876 --> 01:20:07,196
how you're learning things instead of the people that care for you most and what has accompanied

1447
01:20:07,196 --> 01:20:12,236
that it was obviously the the the money being ripped away from us and so now mom's working and

1448
01:20:12,236 --> 01:20:16,076
not just dad and now their mom and dad are out on credit and and spent all their savings and now

1449
01:20:16,076 --> 01:20:19,116
they're getting divorced you know like all these things are happening the breakdown of the family

1450
01:20:19,116 --> 01:20:21,216
The intergenerational living is gone.

1451
01:20:21,736 --> 01:20:24,856
You know, people are, you know, hey, mom and dad, I don't even have money for you now.

1452
01:20:24,916 --> 01:20:27,056
So now you have to go to some senior livings.

1453
01:20:27,156 --> 01:20:27,816
You're gone.

1454
01:20:27,916 --> 01:20:29,696
I mean, it's like it's an absolute disaster.

1455
01:20:30,256 --> 01:20:34,456
And that all has to be accounted for now going for society is going through that accounting,

1456
01:20:34,556 --> 01:20:39,356
whether it's, again, the sedation, the drugs, the illegal or illegal drugs or whatever it

1457
01:20:39,356 --> 01:20:41,776
is, like the sedation, the distraction, the chaos.

1458
01:20:41,896 --> 01:20:44,256
All this is what we've been going through really for a couple of decades now.

1459
01:20:44,536 --> 01:20:47,276
And I think we're going to be continuing to go through this for a little while.

1460
01:20:47,276 --> 01:20:48,416
But it's going to reorient.

1461
01:20:48,416 --> 01:20:52,576
it's going to, you know, the, the citadel freedom cities, whatever, all these different areas are

1462
01:20:52,576 --> 01:20:57,956
going to be these beacons of hope that, uh, people start flocking to and saying, Hey, I'm done. I

1463
01:20:57,956 --> 01:21:01,416
finally, again, you can lead the horse to water. Like we said in the beginning, but you can't make

1464
01:21:01,416 --> 01:21:05,796
them drink. And that's going to be, when do people hit their points where they're like, okay, I'm

1465
01:21:05,796 --> 01:21:09,356
actually thirsty now. I want to drink water. Like I'm ready for you. I'm ready for the truth now.

1466
01:21:09,416 --> 01:21:14,476
Let's give it to me. So I love it. Yeah. The last thing I'll say, then we'll wrap up here is just

1467
01:21:14,476 --> 01:21:17,876
that no one will ever love your kids as much as you do.

1468
01:21:18,236 --> 01:21:20,116
And the government sure as hell won't.

1469
01:21:20,396 --> 01:21:21,136
They can't.

1470
01:21:21,376 --> 01:21:25,056
You will always love your kids more than anyone else ever could.

1471
01:21:25,436 --> 01:21:29,376
So don't give control of your kids over to somebody who cannot possibly love your kids

1472
01:21:29,376 --> 01:21:31,736
or care about them in the way that you do, because that's what you're doing.

1473
01:21:32,356 --> 01:21:35,296
On that note, Brandon, I want to be conscious of your time,

1474
01:21:35,296 --> 01:21:38,276
because again, I hate to even take time away from the kids,

1475
01:21:38,336 --> 01:21:38,656
but you know what?

1476
01:21:38,716 --> 01:21:42,896
I know that your kids are probably damn proud of their dad

1477
01:21:42,896 --> 01:21:44,916
and the fact that he goes out there and speaks the truth.

1478
01:21:45,476 --> 01:21:50,156
Where can people find you speaking the truth if they want to hear more rants about homeschooling,

1479
01:21:50,216 --> 01:21:51,796
rants about Bitcoin, whatever it may be?

1480
01:21:51,916 --> 01:21:52,776
Where do you want to send folks?

1481
01:21:53,636 --> 01:21:54,776
Yeah, I appreciate it again, brother.

1482
01:21:54,916 --> 01:21:57,936
It's just an honor to come on here, talk about all this stuff.

1483
01:21:58,136 --> 01:22:00,856
Like we said, it's not about Bitcoin price.

1484
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That's like you said, it's the least fun part about what we do, quite honestly.

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And it's about how can we change humanity and reorient society?

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and that's you know when you see it when you see the wizard behind the curtain you see it

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and um you know my my channel is just you know my name brandon underscore gentile i believe that's

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you know twitter you know the nostril you know primal uh youtube everything we go interview

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01:22:23,656 --> 01:22:28,456
people as well do live streams do this stuff uh and we need 10 000 more people like us doing this

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exact thing and i think we're gonna get there i know we're gonna get there it's gonna take some

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time but uh we're on our way so i appreciate you brother appreciate you too man step by step

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enjoy some time with the fam

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I'm going to go do the same

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great catching up as always

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and I'm sure we'll do it again soon

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absolutely

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thanks Walker

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and that's a wrap on this Bitcoin Talk episode

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of the Bitcoin Podcast

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Thank you.