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Fiat is the time thief.

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I mean, this is the biggest immoral part of all of this monetary system that we're trying to solve for.

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It's taking time away from you.

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People are working towards some perceived retirement that they may never get to because the holes in the bucket are so big.

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So, you know, Bitcoin goes a long way towards solving that.

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You have to work hard, though.

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You have to actually stack and keep stacking.

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You have to learn and keep learning.

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And when it comes to a lot of these questions about what do you do for work and what is your career, you know, these are just modes of perhaps capturing more time in your future.

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Maybe bringing forward that time of your life when you're able to actually stretch out and relax more and have a little more fun and spend more time and be there.

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I see it every day with my family.

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It's some days it's just there's fleeting moments and you have to actually stop what you're doing.

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You have to actually make that space to really be in that moment to really gain from it.

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And you never get it back.

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The next day is a different one.

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So it's, I think all of these things, this is, this is again, why I think Bitcoin is so meaningful.

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Just to put these kinds of thoughts in your head to get you thinking in a new way, to get you open minded enough to see different ways forward.

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and to actually take courageous, risky steps to really further advantage you and your family

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so that your time is more your own.

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Without further ado, let's get into this Bitcoin talk.

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Well, dude, glad to have you on here.

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I feel like we've been talking about having you on the show for a while.

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I'm glad that we finally made it happen.

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It's probably my fault for being shitty at responding to DMs sometimes,

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so I apologize for that.

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No, I'm a big believer that everything happens at the time that it probably should.

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And this is the time.

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Here we are.

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This is the time. And yeah, I guess it is a good time for this because you just launched the mobile app version, right?

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Yeah, it's a heavy duty milestone for me. I've been working on this for the last about a year and a quarter.

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Although I'll tell you, there's times when it feels like it's been decades. It's been such a heavy duty project.

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And I've also, I built it basically myself.

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I'm not part of a team doing this.

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It's really all me.

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So it's been a really intense journey as well.

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And so getting to this point and actually getting it launched has been an overwhelming experience.

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It's actually, you know, I'm just still like in the immediate aftermath of that launch

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and still like wrapping my head around it and feeling, you know, that sort of pivot from the

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building mode into this next chapter. And so it's really a phenomenal time. It's a period of my life.

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I'm not going to, not going to ever forget. I may as well go ahead and put the, uh,

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the time chain calendar up here. So for those, for those that don't know you are, and maybe,

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actually maybe you want to just introduce yourself for, for those that do not know you,

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Obviously, you know, I don't even technically know you in that way.

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You know, we did meet once.

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We did meet once.

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I think even possibly twice.

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I've attended quite a few conferences in the last few years.

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And there's one time in particular, I think it was a bit block boom.

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It might have been in Austin.

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And you and the wife were sitting in the breakfast place downstairs.

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And I came up and said hi to you guys then.

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Well, in that case, I'm not going to ask, but I was pretty drunk for a lot of BitBlock.

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But no, it's, well, okay, so as much while respecting your own OPSEC, like, do you want to give a little bit of an intro just to who you are?

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And maybe, you know, why you are building Time Chain Calendar?

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Yeah.

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So people know me as TC.

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It's kind of funny when I was sort of finding my nim in the Bitcoin Twitter space.

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It was, you know, the word time chain really was something that stuck in my head.

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It was a period of time when I was really establishing my core learning and understanding about Bitcoin.

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And so I kind of really was attracted to that word particularly.

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And so that's where TC actually started from.

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And then it's just kind of a beautiful little synergy that my project ended up being called Time Chain Calendar and TC ends up being an acronym for that as well.

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But basically, going back to my pre-Bitcoin existence, I've been a software engineer for, you know, almost two decades.

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started building on the web when the web was still very crude.

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And I was doing websites the old-fashioned way and basically evolved from just plain HTML files

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to CMS-driven websites using PHP and then eventually more JavaScript-centric web application kind of stuff.

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I found my way from, you know, a sort of like design house where I was doing client websites for years to suddenly working for tech startups and being, you know, a team member on some of these relatively small tech companies, but that were, you know, innovating and building really quickly.

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one of these companies that I was working for around 2015 or so was accepting Bitcoin as payment

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for their products. But for whatever reason, it went in one ear and out the other. That was

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actually my second kind of in one ear and out the other experience with Bitcoin. The first was in

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2012, just a few years earlier, and Bitcoin was five bucks. And then in 2015, it was 500 bucks.

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And it's still just, I don't know, the brain cells didn't connect yet.

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But shortly after that company, I found myself at another company where they actually had done an ICO.

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And they actually had sort of a crypto side of their sort of company mission.

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And I was surrounded by all these crypto bros and basically discovered Bitcoin through that.

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And so I was like a lot of other people of that era.

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I got sucked in towards the end of 2017, right at the top, just enough time to, you know, load my bags and get ready for my first bear market.

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And so my way of dealing with my first bear market, being that I actually didn't really understand Bitcoin properly at the time when I look back on it, I kind of shut it out of my mind.

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And that was my weird way of achieving a hodl back then.

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I didn't panic.

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I didn't sell.

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I just kind of shifted my focus away.

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So I actually feel like I missed all this opportunity 2018, 2019 when I should have been stacking like crazy.

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Instead, I kind of pushed it out of my head, just finding my own way to deal with that experience of going through a bear market like that and not really understanding what I was holding.

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and still holding a bunch of shit coins.

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And it wasn't until, you know, late 2019,

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the whole repo crisis in the traditional markets

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caught my attention.

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And then along comes COVID

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and this whole confluence of chaos in the world

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just shocked me, got my attention.

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And I feel like I properly went down the rabbit hole

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at that time.

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I was reading some stuff from Dargigi and watching a lot of podcasts and really got fully sucked into it at that point.

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I was still working for tech companies at the time.

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And it was a couple of years later, you know, 21, 22, where I actually started working for a Bitcoin company.

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and that job actually didn't last as long as I wanted it to.

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And when that job ended, that was when I created Time Chain Calendar.

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And so this is basically a culmination of a career building websites

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and learning the tech of building the web.

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And I had this drawing that I had done on paper

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of the block height and the circles.

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And when I was suddenly unemployed

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and so fixated on Bitcoin,

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I took the opportunity to build the first version

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of this time chain calendar.

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And it was, I think, about a 10-day hack session.

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And I had the very first version.

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And anybody who remembers the site from back then,

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it was very simple.

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It was just the red circle and the orange circle and the big number in the middle and a few other little bits of data.

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But there wasn't kind of a complete dashboard the way it is now.

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But that was the beginning.

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And that was just under three years ago.

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I think this November makes three years since I launched the site.

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So basically, since I made the website, I've been updating the website and continuing to develop it.

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continuing to be obsessed with Bitcoin, talking to other Bitcoiners every day. And just, you know,

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at this point now, a couple of years later from, you know, when I was just in between jobs

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and the world has continued to change, my, uh, my career as I knew it before, I think is over.

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I don't know that the software industry is a place I want to be, you know, kind of hitching my ride to other companies and being a worker bee.

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I kind of basically experienced the whole industry transforming, I think, between the impacts of sort of the COVID era when everyone learned that you don't need to go into an office to do this kind of work.

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You could be anywhere on the planet.

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and I happen to live in one of the most expensive cost of living places in the world.

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And so it's a big mismatch on that front as far as trying to land a new job.

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And then the whole AI wave came along and the combination of these two factors

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have just turned the whole industry upside down for people like me.

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and so I basically kind of was forced to really figure out what my path forward is

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and I love my baby my time chain calendar here it's so I decided I needed to turn it into

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a full business and and a platform that I could just continue to develop and and actually

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carry forth. And this mobile app represents my first big evolutionary step from just the website.

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And that's really what you're looking at when you look at the mobile app. It's kind of the last

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year and a quarter or so of me growing as an engineer. I'm pretty much totally full stack now,

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whereas before I was just focused on front-end web. And I've built and put out iOS and an Android

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app, which I had never done before. And, you know, so it's just a lot of kind of growth as a software

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engineer, also kind of evolving from being a employee to thinking about running a business

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and how to actually operate going forward. So it's just a lot of changes. That's where I'm at

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for what it's worth i uh i did download the mobile app and i am now a paid subscriber

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uh because thank you well it's sweet it's like you know and i firmly believe like when

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free is never free and i think a lot of developers in the bitcoin world still i mean literally are

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building like free and open source software in many cases but whenever i have the opportunity to

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pay for a service that is being provided to me, I will take that because it's like, I would rather

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that be the model. I would rather pay for things that I find valuable versus getting something

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quote for free, where there's all sort of data being collected on me, where I am, you know,

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I am the product. My data is the product. My attention is the product versus no, no, the product

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is here and you're going to pay for it because it took work to build it. So like that is the model

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I prefer. And so, yeah, I was very happy to be able to support it and folks should check out the

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mobile app. It's super cool. I like the, I've just played around with a little bit so far, but

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the tagging the photos with the block height and the price is like, that's a nice little way to

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keep kind of a visual diary, I think, denominated in Bitcoin, let's say. Yeah, that feature took me

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by surprise because it actually was the last major feature that I added before launch. And it was

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surprisingly close to launch when I actually decided to implement that and add it. But it's

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an interesting thing looking back over the last almost three years of the website being out.

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That was what I saw all the time on social media would be somebody's kid is just born,

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and they're pulling time chain calendar out of their pocket to figure out what block height it

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was to sort of block stamp the birth of their kid. And that is such a cool thing. It's such a special

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thing. And I can't think of any other context for caring about what block height it is than

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the birth of your child. But there's all these other significant life moments where it's just

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amazing, especially over a long period of time to look back and say, wow, look at what block height

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it was, or even look at the price. I was talking to a friend of mine who was just like, you know,

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block heights are so cool. But I swear, like, to me, the milestones are denominated in

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the US dollar exchange rate for Bitcoin. And I remember 58k. And I remember hitting 16k at the

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bottom of the bear. And, you know, it's like, these are these are interesting ways that our

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memory functions. And so the camera feature is kind of a very interesting sort of manifestation

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of that, where you're taking a picture or you're recording a short video, and to actually have the

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live block height and the price feed superimposed right over there, it's a new tool. And I'm excited

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to see where it goes from here because I have a ton of ideas for how to actually develop it further

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and make it much more dynamic and give you a lot more options of what you can do. So it's just the

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very beginning of that. But that's kind of the spirit, I think, of my project is that, you know,

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different ways to actually bring this thing that we all care about into your life, into your

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consciousness, like have it in your head, have it in your, your vision. And, uh, that allows you to

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actually think about it deeper. It allows you to care about it more. And all of that connects to

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your experience, your conviction, everything else. I think it's, it's, I couldn't agree more.

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And it reminds me of, of like the opportunity cost extension that, uh, Marty bent and his team

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built out at tftc like another thing that's it's reframing the way that you are looking at the

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world because i think that bitcoin very much like quite literally has reframed the way all of us

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look at the world at least if you're down that rabbit hole right and continues to reframe it

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because the more you understand about bitcoin the more you realize you don't understand

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and that's just like this this beautiful journey in and of itself but learning to see the world

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kind of through these orange colored glasses, let's say. And what that does in terms of changing

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you as a person, changing your perception, your perception of time. I mean, that was a huge one

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to me. I think like becoming a father has also done that for me as well, just very much. And when

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you speak about low time preference, you know, I thought I had this idea of what it meant to be a

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low time preference person before, because I read the Bitcoin standard and, you know, I'm an

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enlightened bitcoiner. And then I realized after our son was born, oh no, I didn't have any idea

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what real low time preference meant. And so, you know, the thinking in the world in terms of blocks

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or even in terms of fiat price, the blocks are more reliable probably than the fiat price.

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Because we all know fiat's a bad measuring stick, but it's true. We do have those kind of,

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it's psychologically very sticky. And we remember that. I think because we also remember the

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euphoria of the highs and we remember the sometimes the pit in our stomach at the lows but then that

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pit in your stomach maybe turns into a little bit of a fire where you say now i'm gonna buy but

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i i love i mean first of all the you know folks can see right now if they're watching if if not

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you can go to timechaincalendar.com you can check out it's just a time chain calendar on the app and

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play store right that for people want to search yeah so you should check it out it's just beautiful

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to look at like it's very satisfying uh it's it's it's it's enjoyable like it's a beautiful

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visualization of this thing. And I think it's one of those things where it makes Bitcoin actually a

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little bit more accessible. And I think that's important because especially people just getting

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into Bitcoin, like you start hearing about blocks and difficulty adjustment and all these things.

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And you're like, oh, okay. Like, what does that actually mean? These halvings, like all this stuff,

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it not it not really intuitive because I mean it had never been done like this before and all put together in this way So it this very novel system And I think what you built is such a beautiful way to kind of make that more accessible and a little bit more tangible

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Like it's – I just want to say like hats off.

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It's just really fucking cool.

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Well, thank you for that.

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Let me give a little bit of sort of context to that.

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You know, I got to shout out and give massive props to the giants that came before me that have done so much of the hard work that I am standing on top of now.

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I would start with NVK with the Block Clock.

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This web app was absolutely inspired by the Block Clock.

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I own two of them.

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I have a mini and a micro.

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Incredible, wonderful, legendary pieces of hardware.

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Um, but it's amazing when you, you know, really spend time with some of these things, especially if you're somebody who builds and is creative, you might see ways in which you would want to do it differently.

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and then there's also aspects of i love my block clock but it just irked me sometimes it didn't

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update right when it should maybe the chain hits three four blocks in a row really quick and

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and i'm looking at the block clock still three or four blocks behind and so for me as a guy who

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built on the web i saw this opportunity like let me make a web sort of block clock

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and that was one of the seeds or one of the starting points for this project

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was I wanted to see that block height real-time updating.

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I was just wishing that the block clock did that.

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And so on the web, I could achieve that.

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So as a starting point, that big number in the middle, the block height.

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Um, you know, I also really give so much, uh, respect and I appreciate so deeply Clark Moody's dashboard and Mempool Space and some of these other resources that have been just lovingly crafted for years prior.

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prior. And for me coming at it, I decided I really wanted to not just duplicate anyone else's

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efforts, but genuinely try to approach this from my point of view and bring something new.

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So really, the project is an attempt to visualize some of the most important

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aspects of Bitcoin, in my opinion. And that's what is happening here with these circles. Now,

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you're looking at the website. We are looking at the website here on your screen, but the mobile

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app, actually, I took this design and took it a step further. You see that green circle just on

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the upper right of the main circles that's showing you the time since the last block? That's now part

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of the main concentric circles design. It's actually now right in the center. It's the

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innermost circle on the mobile app. And in doing so, you have five concentric circles in that

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interface. And this is actually why it's called time chain calendar. If you think about what a

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calendar is, it's a nested series of timeframes. Here you are today, and you're inside of this

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row of days for the week. And that week is in a stack of weeks inside of a month. And months are

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side of years and we kind of delineate our lives by these timeframes.

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Well, here in the time chain calendar, the innermost circle on the mobile app is that

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time since the last block, which I actually like to think of as it's the expectation of

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10 minutes because that circle represents a 10 minute timeframe.

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And when it passes one 10 minute segment, it'll change color to indicate sort of we're

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beyond our expected timeframe.

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watch it when it gets to 40, 50 minutes

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or an hour or more,

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it turns orange, it turns red.

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It really communicates this almost anxiety,

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like when's this block coming?

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I was expecting it to be here in 10 minutes.

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Where is it?

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So that's the innermost circle.

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here on the screen,

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it's the innermost circle,

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which is a sort of invisible circle

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with all these little teeny tiny squares all the way around it.

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And there's a very random pattern

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because that's showing you the last 24-hour distribution of blocks.

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And it's always moving and adjusting

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so that it's always displaying the distribution of blocks in the last 24 hours.

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And here's where it starts getting really interesting to me

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because we experience Bitcoin blocks globally

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There is no time zone. When the having happened, and my website crashed, by the way, on the having, when the having happens, we are all experiencing that moment globally.

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It's not like New Year's Eve where it kind of goes off in phases, time zones around the globe.

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this is like a moment that as a global community of people we experience that's every block

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so this 24 hours distribution of blocks that that circle with all the little squares going around

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anywhere in the world you look at time chain calendar you see that same pattern you'll see

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the same places where there's big gaps you know when we do get blocks that sometimes take two

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hours, you'll see a giant gap on that circle. You can also see when there's a flurry of blocks

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where for a couple hours, it was just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And they're, they're stacked up.

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So it's a really interesting visual. I haven't seen that anywhere else. That was one thing that

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the very first time I got that working on my screen, I almost fell out of my chair because

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it's just an interesting visualization. So we got the, the time since the last block,

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we've got the 24 hour distribution of blocks. Then we have the red circle, which is the

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difficulty adjustment cycle, which is 2016 blocks or roughly two weeks. So if you look at time chain

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calendar each day, like a calendar, you'll notice the indicator on the red circle moving. It kind of

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chunks around the circle. You can actually see its position noticeably changed since the day before.

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the orange circle is the blocks to the having that is 210 000 blocks roughly four years

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i have not yet seen the orange circle make it all the way around because i launched the site less

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than three years ago talk about low time preference if you pay attention to this over time and you

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notice because you remember the last having right it was uh last april not not april this year but

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last year april um that's when that orange indicator was up at the sort of 12 o'clock position

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and it's been a year and a half since then just to get down to what about 4 4 30 position there

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So it's like one of these things where as a calendar, as the system of watching Bitcoin's progress, your life juxtaposed against Bitcoin's progress.

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That's what the essence of this is about.

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It's about something that you can look at and actually be reminded and given that time relevant context for where and when you are relative to Bitcoin.

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The outermost circle is the supply issuance.

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So that sort of dark orange, that's the percentage of Bitcoin's supply issuance.

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and there's little notches that show you the havings.

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And I'm going to ask you to grab that blinking little handle

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on the slider below there and start slowly sliding that to the left.

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And you can see the having circle moving back.

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Boom, you just pass that having and you can see the number,

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the Roman numeral of the having changing and you see the supply changing.

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And look at that outer circle.

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See the supply rolling back?

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and this is a really interesting visual because this allows you to actually clearly see the

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relationship between the havings and the supply issuance in a visual way so you just passed the

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first having and we're now going down from 50 supply issuance and if you go all the way to the

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left you get all the way to the genesis block if you leave it there you'll get a few little easter

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eggs that pop up on the screen. And this is basically where it all started. And the mobile

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app has a really nice experience of that UI where you can just with your finger, grab the slider and

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move it around. And there's something I think very beneficial educationally from seeing that

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relationship of the having to the supply issuance. Because I'll tell you, people talk about it. And I

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remember before I understood what the having was. And I remember hearing it explained a whole variety

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of ways. And I sort of remember my fuzzy, incomplete mental model of that. Well, here's an actual

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visualization that you can interact with and refine your mental model and understand what that is.

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So now grab the slider again and just go back the other way.

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And you can see the issuance of Bitcoin from the beginning.

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And cruise on through and you can see we get to 50% supply in that first epoch.

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And then 75% supply in the next one.

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And so on and so forth.

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And so just understanding Bitcoin's fixed supply and the supply issuance, you know, it's a trip to look at that circle.

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It's almost 95% complete and it's going to take about 100 years or so for it to finish.

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Some of these concepts are just difficult to wrap your head around.

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This to me is the value of visualizing things.

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This is what is so cool about effective visualizations is they help you get a handle mentally on the concept.

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And then you can actually grow your own thinking a little bit more effectively from there.

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So that's, in essence, the whole spirit of the project is visualizing Bitcoin from a protocol perspective as far as what are the really important aspects of Bitcoin's design that matter to me over time.

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I just want to make a comment about the difficulty adjustment, too, because the whole interface started with the orange circle and the red circle.

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And the difficulty adjustment, I think, is second in importance to the halving.

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Because, of course, the halving is what gives Bitcoin a fixed supply.

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We don't have fixed supply of 21 million without a halving.

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That's literally the mechanism that makes that happen.

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I think a lot of new people in Bitcoin should be asking how.

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It's great to learn Bitcoin 21 million.

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It's a wonderful meme.

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How?

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Well, because the halving.

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Because there's a certain amount issued per block.

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And after you get to 210,000 blocks, the amount per block is cut in half.

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It's like you've got a hose turned on full blast.

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And then you turn it off 50% of the way.

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And then you turn it off 50% of the way.

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And you keep doing that until the smallest drip of water is coming out.

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Some point in the future, our great, great, great grandkids will be looking at one Satoshi per block as the subsidy.

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And then the halving comes, and there's no half a Satoshi.

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So it just goes from one Satoshi to no more Satoshis, and there's our fixed supply.

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So that's why the halving is so significant.

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And the difficulty adjustment is the pacing of it.

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You know, Satoshi cared so much about making the system fair in whatever ways that it could be.

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It's not ideal. It's not the fairest.

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But it has a lot of thought gone into the design in regards to fair issuance.

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And the whole idea that because it's proof of work, if you just had an increasing group of people competing for blocks like we've had.

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Look at the hash rate chart at times.

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I mean, it's just parabolic.

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And if you had that kind of competition increase, you're going to basically get blocks faster and faster.

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And probably all 21 million would have been issued in the first five years.

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Like, this is incredible to me.

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The difficulty adjustment is the mechanism that makes sure that it takes multiple human lifetimes to issue the supply of Bitcoin.

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It paces it out so that despite a parabolic increase in the competition for blocks, that supply is issued over multiple human lifetimes.

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granted it's a slower and slower issuance and people who were there in the beginning had an

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opportunity to get so much but it's in it's like really profoundly meaningful to me that the

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difficulty adjustment was so thoughtfully implemented here to pace this distribution

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of bitcoin so that my kids my grandkids my great-grandkids one day will actually still

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have an opportunity to get new Bitcoin from the protocol.

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It's mind blowing to me.

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Again, I think it's one of those things where the more you learn about Bitcoin and the more

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you go deep into these, these concepts and you really, you really start to learn the

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mechanisms that Satoshi created.

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You, you, you, at least I go back and forth in this, like, God, was he, was he really

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just that brilliant?

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that he foresaw that he created this.

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I mean, you could argue that it's not perfect

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because nothing is perfect,

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but damn, is it pretty close?

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Like the game theory of it is incredible.

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And you start to wonder how much of this

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was really, really purposeful

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and how much was kind of like a happy accident

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where it's like, hmm,

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if Satoshi was looking at it now,

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you know, from wherever he is

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or, you know, from another dimensional plane,

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what do you say?

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wow, I actually didn't think about that, but hey, it worked out pretty well. Do you think about that

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at all? How much forethought? I mean, clearly a ton of forethought went into it, but some of these

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things, I'm just like, man, did you really know it was going to work out so well? It blows my mind,

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if so. I mean, it blows my mind either way because it's either unparalleled genius or

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really happy accidents that have occurred, but either way, it's just remarkable.

413
00:38:09,053 --> 00:38:20,213
I can't help but acknowledge the brilliance, not just of the technical design, but the sort of in-tuneness with human nature.

414
00:38:20,573 --> 00:38:26,154
There's like a mad psychologist to go along with the mad scientist, right?

415
00:38:26,213 --> 00:38:32,654
There's like somebody who really gets it, what makes human beings do what they do.

416
00:38:32,773 --> 00:38:34,854
And that's some of the secret sauce here.

417
00:38:34,854 --> 00:38:43,233
And I think it speaks to how genius the whole system is, because it's not just the technical feat.

418
00:38:43,874 --> 00:38:51,334
You know, Satoshi didn't invent proof of work and SHA-256 and public-private key cryptography.

419
00:38:51,454 --> 00:38:54,253
I mean, there's so many pieces of Bitcoin that were created.

420
00:38:54,814 --> 00:38:59,253
You know, he was standing on the shoulders of giants that came before him.

421
00:38:59,253 --> 00:39:18,314
But the brilliance is in seeing a way forward and how to use these pieces to construct this system. It's stunning. I mean, it's incredible. And, you know, we were currently living in a period of time where there's a lot of drama and there's a lot of disagreement.

422
00:39:18,314 --> 00:39:29,193
And, you know, I sometimes just come around full circle to the meme of the honey badger and how resilient this thing is.

423
00:39:29,294 --> 00:39:35,294
And, you know, this system is going to just keep ticking and talking and making new blocks.

424
00:39:35,294 --> 00:39:37,213
And it's it's incredible.

425
00:39:37,494 --> 00:39:41,354
Again, what do you look at to kind of remind yourself?

426
00:39:41,354 --> 00:39:46,814
What do you see to reflect on these things over time?

427
00:39:46,814 --> 00:39:50,834
because everybody has their moments where they're really focused

428
00:39:50,834 --> 00:39:52,713
and you're thinking about it.

429
00:39:52,834 --> 00:39:57,533
But we're all so busy and overwhelmed with the world.

430
00:39:57,533 --> 00:40:05,133
And this project has been a real kind of refuge for me.

431
00:40:05,733 --> 00:40:12,014
And I offer it to the Bitcoiners out there

432
00:40:12,014 --> 00:40:15,533
as something that hopefully can actually help them

433
00:40:15,533 --> 00:40:19,954
understand a little more about Bitcoin,

434
00:40:21,014 --> 00:40:25,773
find that contextual headspace,

435
00:40:25,974 --> 00:40:29,613
that refuge to remind you on a daily basis,

436
00:40:29,613 --> 00:40:31,713
no matter what craziness is going on,

437
00:40:31,773 --> 00:40:33,253
you can look here and,

438
00:40:34,053 --> 00:40:35,334
wow, look what block we're at.

439
00:40:35,494 --> 00:40:37,894
Wow, look at the production of the blocks

440
00:40:37,894 --> 00:40:40,914
and damn you foundry with all the blocks you're hitting.

441
00:40:41,294 --> 00:40:43,213
And, you know, there's so many different things.

442
00:40:43,213 --> 00:40:50,294
Like, you know, the hash rate right now is just, you know, it's been flirting with a Zeta hash.

443
00:40:50,613 --> 00:40:53,633
And on all the averages, they're finally catching up now.

444
00:40:53,673 --> 00:40:55,173
And it's just we're going to move on.

445
00:40:55,593 --> 00:40:59,673
And a year or two from now, we're going to look back and who knows where the hash rate is going to be then.

446
00:40:59,794 --> 00:41:03,253
And I feel like it's just one of these things.

447
00:41:03,334 --> 00:41:09,633
Like, I pay attention to Bitcoin now on a deeper level because I have this thing to look at every day.

448
00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:23,053
So maybe that's kind of my message is, you know, Time Chain Calendar is not the only way to do that. There's, like I mentioned, so many other great sites that offer this same information.

449
00:41:23,053 --> 00:41:32,593
it's about i think it really is an important aspect of bitcoin is don't stop learning don't

450
00:41:32,593 --> 00:41:39,273
stop and rest on your current perspective there's too much there's nobody who understands

451
00:41:39,273 --> 00:41:47,414
every facet of bitcoin but certainly as a as a bitcoiner as a pleb you start out knowing almost

452
00:41:47,414 --> 00:41:53,934
nothing. And the journey is like almost one of education that, that in so many ways, even if you

453
00:41:53,934 --> 00:42:00,514
put on your investor hat and you look at all these suit coiners that are out there now, and so many

454
00:42:00,514 --> 00:42:05,654
people who just see it from the point of view of the price. And it's like, that's the arbitrage.

455
00:42:06,033 --> 00:42:11,954
That is literally the arbitrage is, do you understand what this thing is? Do you understand

456
00:42:11,954 --> 00:42:21,994
the problem in the world today and not just what the solution is, but why is Bitcoin the solution

457
00:42:21,994 --> 00:42:29,033
and how is Bitcoin the solution? And you start developing answers to those questions. I mean,

458
00:42:29,033 --> 00:42:36,213
talk about conviction. Talk about the ability to see your life on a longer time frame, to start

459
00:42:36,213 --> 00:42:40,934
thinking more low time preference and making decisions for future generations.

460
00:42:41,133 --> 00:42:42,753
It all spawns from that.

461
00:42:42,753 --> 00:42:51,713
It all spawns from just better, better relevant perspective about all of these things.

462
00:42:52,454 --> 00:42:55,073
So that's where I'm coming from.

463
00:42:55,794 --> 00:42:55,874
Yeah.

464
00:42:55,974 --> 00:43:01,154
Is there a part of this journey for you in building out this, this time chain calendar

465
00:43:01,154 --> 00:43:06,713
that was like, did you discover something about, or like, how did that really shift your own

466
00:43:06,713 --> 00:43:10,394
perspective? Was there anything that you came around to? Like, obviously, of course you already

467
00:43:10,394 --> 00:43:15,613
had a pretty deep understanding of Bitcoin when you started building this out, given that necessarily

468
00:43:15,613 --> 00:43:20,733
you would need such an understanding, you know, at least a pretty good one to know what kind of

469
00:43:20,733 --> 00:43:25,273
stuff you want to put into this, to this visualization. But was there ever a point where

470
00:43:25,273 --> 00:43:30,093
you were kind of like, whoa, okay, I just like, I kind of never thought about it this way or

471
00:43:30,093 --> 00:43:35,753
something that really like took you aback perhaps either in its brilliance or just some sort of like,

472
00:43:35,753 --> 00:43:38,613
you know, second or third order effect or anything like that?

473
00:43:39,613 --> 00:43:46,434
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's crazy launching this mobile app. It's such a big deal to me,

474
00:43:46,514 --> 00:43:54,494
but it's honestly just the next step on a long list of steps to come. And as far as what I've

475
00:43:54,494 --> 00:44:02,434
done with with this project there's massive new frontiers to break still i feel like i've

476
00:44:02,434 --> 00:44:15,113
forced myself to be very disciplined and not rush into other obvious areas you know there's a major

477
00:44:15,113 --> 00:44:22,713
facet of this dashboard that's missing that once it's there this will be a full-blown block explorer

478
00:44:22,713 --> 00:44:27,934
which is I give you information about each block, but it's very high level.

479
00:44:28,654 --> 00:44:41,887
It not like mempool space where you can then click into the block and see all the transactions I love it I was like we were going on like 33 minutes there Sorry to interrupt but I was I was I was really like I was starting to

480
00:44:41,887 --> 00:44:45,487
get a little bit of a little bit anxious there. I'm like, maybe we'll never find another block

481
00:44:45,487 --> 00:44:51,427
again. Maybe this is the last block. That's the whole thing. Every time one hits, you're,

482
00:44:51,487 --> 00:44:55,727
you're getting confirmation that the system is still working because it's Bitcoin's heartbeat.

483
00:44:55,727 --> 00:44:57,747
It's Bitcoin's irregular heartbeat.

484
00:44:58,507 --> 00:45:13,447
So what I was saying is there's a whole other frontier still for me to cross with this project, which is bringing in the view of all the transactions inside each block and diving into the details of each transaction.

485
00:45:13,447 --> 00:45:19,927
I mean, talk about a rabbit hole from a knowledge and understanding point of view.

486
00:45:20,607 --> 00:45:31,627
Any Bitcoiner, go over to Mempool Space, click on a block, pick a transaction, click on that transaction, click show details and start looking at what is inside these things.

487
00:45:31,787 --> 00:45:33,127
And it is mind blowing.

488
00:45:33,127 --> 00:45:43,567
And the amount of knowledge and understanding that is waiting to be crossed is pretty vast.

489
00:45:44,047 --> 00:45:45,187
So scroll up.

490
00:45:45,807 --> 00:45:47,047
Click on any of those purple blocks.

491
00:45:48,487 --> 00:45:49,207
Scroll down.

492
00:45:50,427 --> 00:45:54,267
And you're in a list of transactions there.

493
00:45:54,307 --> 00:45:55,167
Just pick a transaction.

494
00:45:55,387 --> 00:45:57,447
Click the link up at the top of any of those rectangles.

495
00:45:58,847 --> 00:45:59,047
Yep.

496
00:45:59,287 --> 00:45:59,907
Scroll down.

497
00:46:01,187 --> 00:46:02,287
Look at the diagram.

498
00:46:02,287 --> 00:46:04,387
click on the details button on the right side.

499
00:46:04,827 --> 00:46:06,327
I always love this diagram.

500
00:46:06,487 --> 00:46:07,907
It's just, it's a cool way to look at it.

501
00:46:07,907 --> 00:46:08,287
It's wonderful.

502
00:46:08,827 --> 00:46:12,387
Like this diagram actually helped me understand UTXOs a lot,

503
00:46:12,447 --> 00:46:14,067
a lot better, like more intuitively.

504
00:46:14,347 --> 00:46:14,667
You know what I mean?

505
00:46:14,667 --> 00:46:16,907
Like I know it's an unspent transaction output,

506
00:46:17,367 --> 00:46:18,987
but like just literally seeing it like that,

507
00:46:19,027 --> 00:46:20,147
you're like, oh, well, duh.

508
00:46:20,407 --> 00:46:20,707
Okay.

509
00:46:20,907 --> 00:46:22,407
That, you know, that makes more sense.

510
00:46:23,047 --> 00:46:23,447
Yeah.

511
00:46:23,507 --> 00:46:27,887
And now start looking at like the actual inputs and outputs.

512
00:46:27,887 --> 00:46:43,727
And there's so much information and technical aspects of these things. And, you know, these days, obviously, there's so many different kinds of transactions and there's so many different techniques and different purposes of transactions.

513
00:46:43,727 --> 00:46:47,987
and it's a very deep rabbit hole.

514
00:46:48,167 --> 00:46:52,767
So I didn't want to kind of do a half-assed job on any of that.

515
00:46:53,327 --> 00:46:56,967
And so I've actually ended up just focusing on that high level.

516
00:46:56,967 --> 00:47:00,807
I call Time Chain Calendar a time chain explorer for that reason

517
00:47:00,807 --> 00:47:04,287
because I don't really offer you the opportunity

518
00:47:04,287 --> 00:47:07,327
to dive into the details of the blocks yet.

519
00:47:07,887 --> 00:47:09,807
And that is in the roadmap.

520
00:47:10,047 --> 00:47:11,427
That is coming at some point.

521
00:47:11,427 --> 00:47:26,207
So it's just, you know, again, though, sometimes it's withholding or omitting that you actually find your sort of North Star and your purpose.

522
00:47:26,207 --> 00:47:32,987
Like for me, I've really tried to hone in on what it is that I'm really trying to do.

523
00:47:33,087 --> 00:47:41,427
It's that main circles interface is the main sort of like stage, so to speak, of where I'm working.

524
00:47:41,427 --> 00:47:52,067
So, you know, that's one nice thing about the mobile app is it really kind of makes your view very focused because there's far less there.

525
00:47:52,387 --> 00:47:55,307
And those circles dominate that home screen.

526
00:47:55,307 --> 00:47:59,647
and just looking at that part of the interface

527
00:47:59,647 --> 00:48:01,887
and the information that's in the corners there.

528
00:48:02,407 --> 00:48:03,247
It is super clean.

529
00:48:03,387 --> 00:48:08,207
It's a lot to absorb just even there.

530
00:48:08,707 --> 00:48:11,407
So for me, I think of this project as a way to,

531
00:48:12,127 --> 00:48:14,127
you know, like I've been saying,

532
00:48:14,127 --> 00:48:15,767
it's your calendar.

533
00:48:16,207 --> 00:48:19,947
You check in on where and when you are in the time chain

534
00:48:19,947 --> 00:48:23,827
and you can always scroll back through the blocks.

535
00:48:23,827 --> 00:48:27,747
you can search for blocks there's really cool search features in the mobile app

536
00:48:27,747 --> 00:48:33,687
to be able to search by block height you can just tap the uh the big block number in the middle on

537
00:48:33,687 --> 00:48:39,727
the mobile app you can actually do that on the website too there is a uh you can actually just

538
00:48:39,727 --> 00:48:42,167
type a type of block height in there

539
00:48:42,167 --> 00:48:46,067
that'll work

540
00:48:46,067 --> 00:48:54,487
and it jumps you back to that point in time oh look you found a little hidden piece of art

541
00:48:54,487 --> 00:49:00,647
look at that yeah there's a sneaky sort of slightly hidden art gallery baked into time

542
00:49:00,647 --> 00:49:04,647
chain calendar if you know you know there's actually a gallery button right down there

543
00:49:04,647 --> 00:49:10,227
at the bottom you can just jump into the gallery but that got a ton of really great bitcoin artists

544
00:49:10,227 --> 00:49:13,807
and placed all their art on different blocks.

545
00:49:14,207 --> 00:49:19,227
This is kind of another little fun facet of this project.

546
00:49:19,967 --> 00:49:20,827
That's awesome.

547
00:49:22,047 --> 00:49:22,867
I love that.

548
00:49:22,947 --> 00:49:26,327
I mean, there's so many interesting ways that you can take this too.

549
00:49:26,447 --> 00:49:31,287
I mean, I'm curious if I can ask,

550
00:49:31,287 --> 00:49:33,667
and you feel free to like if for obsequies reasons you don't want to say,

551
00:49:34,227 --> 00:49:38,607
but are you doing any sort of work outside of this right now

552
00:49:38,607 --> 00:49:41,007
Or have you truly gone entirely into this?

553
00:49:41,027 --> 00:49:41,947
Because if so, that's amazing.

554
00:49:42,647 --> 00:49:49,427
Yeah, it's been over two years since I've had a job working for anybody else.

555
00:49:49,947 --> 00:49:53,667
And I like to say I'm essentially unemployable at this point.

556
00:49:54,487 --> 00:49:55,527
No, this is it.

557
00:49:55,647 --> 00:49:56,907
This is all I work on.

558
00:49:56,967 --> 00:49:58,387
This is all I think about each day.

559
00:49:59,647 --> 00:50:01,367
And I'm operating solo.

560
00:50:01,367 --> 00:50:05,947
I did this website myself and I launched these mobile apps myself.

561
00:50:05,947 --> 00:50:12,807
And, um, yeah, it's, uh, it's really, uh, an absolute labor of love at this point.

562
00:50:12,807 --> 00:50:16,867
And, uh, I, I can't even think of anything else that I should be doing.

563
00:50:17,767 --> 00:50:20,427
I think that that's, that's incredible.

564
00:50:20,427 --> 00:50:25,707
And I mean, obviously your, your skill is, uh, is self apparent in looking at this, but

565
00:50:25,707 --> 00:50:30,127
did you say that you actually, as you mentioned, you're basically full stack now, did you,

566
00:50:30,247 --> 00:50:34,807
had you built mobile apps prior and like, or, but this kind of your first foray into the

567
00:50:34,807 --> 00:50:35,807
mobile app side of things?

568
00:50:35,947 --> 00:50:42,347
You know, there's a couple projects that I contributed to back in my startup years.

569
00:50:42,887 --> 00:50:51,687
There were one company in particular had a React Native app, which is using React, which is something I was using on the web, actually.

570
00:50:51,907 --> 00:50:54,027
Timechaincalendar.com is built with React.

571
00:50:56,787 --> 00:51:05,907
But apart from just brief contributions, this is the first time I actually built from scratch an iOS or an Android app.

572
00:51:05,947 --> 00:51:08,227
And I was able to do those in parallel.

573
00:51:08,227 --> 00:51:15,727
I used an incredible platform called Flutter, which I would highly recommend to any engineer that's interested in building native apps.

574
00:51:16,767 --> 00:51:19,267
It was definitely some learning curve up front.

575
00:51:19,367 --> 00:51:22,827
I had never used the Dart coding language that it uses.

576
00:51:23,507 --> 00:51:31,867
But I got to tell you, Walker, we're in the era of there's no such thing as you don't know how to do it anymore.

577
00:51:31,867 --> 00:51:48,207
You know, with AI and with determination and creativity, you can conquer your learning curves and you can conquer entirely new areas of work faster and easier than you ever have been able to before.

578
00:51:48,447 --> 00:51:59,847
So really the entire challenge of building back end, building on native apps that I'd never done before was not something that I couldn't overcome.

579
00:51:59,847 --> 00:52:11,307
I think that that's actually such an important point because at least in my mind, there's a lot of extreme opinions on AI on both sides and in the middle of people.

580
00:52:11,447 --> 00:52:13,087
But it goes all over the place, right?

581
00:52:13,107 --> 00:52:15,307
Everybody has a spicy hot take at all times.

582
00:52:15,307 --> 00:52:39,687
But one of the things that I think is really heartening is what you're describing where you as a solo developer working independently without deep knowledge in some of these other areas can much more quickly acquire said knowledge and have the tools to be able to build a meaningful application very, very quickly, relatively speaking, when it's just you working on it.

583
00:52:39,687 --> 00:52:41,447
Like you don't need a giant team.

584
00:52:41,587 --> 00:52:45,787
You don't have to outsource this, the grunt work to a bunch of, you know, kids in India

585
00:52:45,787 --> 00:52:46,127
either.

586
00:52:46,447 --> 00:52:52,847
Also, this is a sidebar, but I think, boy, India's kind of brute force developer economy

587
00:52:52,847 --> 00:52:58,567
is going to suffer, I believe, in these next couple of years if it's not already, just

588
00:52:58,567 --> 00:53:04,047
given the fact that so much of that kind of brute force grunt development work that was

589
00:53:04,047 --> 00:53:07,407
previously outsourced doesn't really need to be outsourced anymore.

590
00:53:07,827 --> 00:53:09,227
Not at the same level it did.

591
00:53:09,227 --> 00:53:32,127
So that's going to be really interesting. But I'm curious if you think the advantage, like if there's more of an asymmetric advantage on the side of the individual developers now, or if this just is a further centralizing force where, yeah, you can do more as an individual developer, but still it's nothing, you know, you're the big guys are always still going to come in and, you know, and, and, and take what they want. I don't know how you, how do you feel about that?

592
00:53:32,127 --> 00:53:46,767
I think that there's change in the air, but with a lot of things like this, not everybody sees the change at the same time and not everyone adapts in the same way.

593
00:53:46,767 --> 00:54:09,847
So what I see is a very wide spectrum of different outcomes where a lot of these large technology companies have basically been barreling towards, you know, outsourcing and going remote as of, you know, five, six years ago.

594
00:54:10,727 --> 00:54:20,387
And then in the last two or three years, I think the race is on to figure out how AI fits into so many of these processes.

595
00:54:20,827 --> 00:54:25,907
How do you build enterprise software using those tools?

596
00:54:26,347 --> 00:54:37,947
I think that the companies and enterprises out there, they all have to figure out how to evolve quickly because the landscape is certainly changing.

597
00:54:37,947 --> 00:54:49,427
And I think we're already seeing, you know, the end users are expecting a sort of different outcome with these tools.

598
00:54:50,207 --> 00:54:57,327
But it's, I think, without a doubt, it's a sort of golden era for anyone who is a builder who's driven.

599
00:54:57,327 --> 00:55:05,607
because I mean, I remember, I remember 10 years ago having this realization when you had

600
00:55:05,607 --> 00:55:14,647
Udemy and YouTube and all these different cloud-based resources where suddenly you could

601
00:55:14,647 --> 00:55:21,187
learn a new skill and you didn't have to go through a two or a four-year college program

602
00:55:21,187 --> 00:55:27,207
to get a computer science degree. You could actually just figure it out. I mean,

603
00:55:27,327 --> 00:55:32,707
So much of my years in web development, and by the way, I never had a computer science degree.

604
00:55:35,007 --> 00:55:56,387
But I always said, you know, that the secret to any of it was just figuring out what you didn't know, whether it was, you know, learning how to just do really effective searches with Google and find the right forum posts where somebody was having the same problem you were having and figuring it out.

605
00:55:56,387 --> 00:56:02,247
or going and taking little tutorials or workshops and upskilling

606
00:56:02,247 --> 00:56:07,807
and figuring out how to get a set of skills that you would need.

607
00:56:08,447 --> 00:56:10,127
I just think that with AI now,

608
00:56:10,307 --> 00:56:17,127
it's a whole other level of traction that you can get so quickly.

609
00:56:17,927 --> 00:56:22,247
You can start building and learn as you're building.

610
00:56:22,247 --> 00:56:26,587
you can just absolutely tear down the unknown.

611
00:56:26,927 --> 00:56:30,007
I love AI just for strategizing.

612
00:56:30,227 --> 00:56:30,967
It's incredible.

613
00:56:31,247 --> 00:56:34,347
If you have an idea and you have no clue

614
00:56:34,347 --> 00:56:38,267
how you would even go about executing on that idea,

615
00:56:38,547 --> 00:56:41,367
that's a wonderful use for this technology.

616
00:56:41,587 --> 00:56:45,467
So it's just empowering the individual

617
00:56:45,467 --> 00:56:48,447
and it really does come down to the individual.

618
00:56:48,447 --> 00:56:51,647
I think somebody with far fewer skills

619
00:56:51,647 --> 00:57:08,167
But a ton of determination and effort can achieve more than somebody who has a ton of experience and skills but doesn't necessarily feel that motivated to, you know, grow or do something new.

620
00:57:08,167 --> 00:57:23,207
So I think there's really valuable perspectives there. This is just the 2025 modern version of that same kind of conundrum that I think humans have faced all through the millennium.

621
00:57:23,207 --> 00:57:29,147
So it's just this is our generation's dynamic.

622
00:57:30,147 --> 00:57:42,747
And, you know, for me sitting there, you know, middle-aged guy, kind of like end of my reliable work career and like this total obsession with Bitcoin.

623
00:57:42,747 --> 00:57:47,287
and I have these web front-end development chops.

624
00:57:48,027 --> 00:57:52,687
And I spent a lot of time, I spent a good five, six months

625
00:57:52,687 --> 00:57:55,527
talking to people and thinking and brainstorming

626
00:57:55,527 --> 00:57:57,847
about what was I going to do

627
00:57:57,847 --> 00:58:01,307
and how was I going to advance this to the next stage.

628
00:58:01,827 --> 00:58:04,867
My mobile app is the first big step forward

629
00:58:04,867 --> 00:58:08,867
and I'm stoked that I got it done myself

630
00:58:08,867 --> 00:58:11,127
and I'm stoked that looking back

631
00:58:11,127 --> 00:58:13,887
that it only took a year and a quarter.

632
00:58:14,267 --> 00:58:18,087
But I remember last October when I was like,

633
00:58:18,227 --> 00:58:20,167
I think I'm going to launch at the end of November.

634
00:58:20,407 --> 00:58:22,667
And here I am next September.

635
00:58:23,247 --> 00:58:25,847
And so it's just, it's all relative.

636
00:58:25,847 --> 00:58:28,967
I really think that anyone who is sufficiently motivated,

637
00:58:30,007 --> 00:58:32,087
if they have access to this technology,

638
00:58:32,567 --> 00:58:35,807
you could do things in superhuman amount of time

639
00:58:35,807 --> 00:58:37,127
if you're determined.

640
00:58:37,407 --> 00:58:40,807
If you're one of these people who you just burn the midnight oil,

641
00:58:41,127 --> 00:58:49,827
And you pound away at something you could probably achieve what would have taken you years in the past in just months or weeks.

642
00:58:49,827 --> 00:58:55,907
And so that's it's just one of the things we're going to see is that there are people doing that now.

643
00:58:55,987 --> 00:58:59,087
And you see all this vibe coded stuff where it's like.

644
00:58:59,767 --> 00:59:04,167
I mean, Jack with with with bit chat in a weekend.

645
00:59:04,427 --> 00:59:05,667
That is real.

646
00:59:05,667 --> 00:59:14,327
that's like an idea come to fruition in unbelievably short amount of time so it's

647
00:59:14,327 --> 00:59:19,907
that's the era we're in and and i hope anybody who's listening to this think about your own

648
00:59:19,907 --> 00:59:25,987
perspective and what do you care about and what ideas do you have what kind of things have you

649
00:59:25,987 --> 00:59:31,707
thought of where you were like nah i don't know how to do that i could never do that well we're

650
00:59:31,707 --> 00:59:38,387
living in the era where those phrases shouldn't be uttered because you have a way now to kind of

651
00:59:38,387 --> 00:59:45,307
break those barriers down at the very least like you could figure out how you would go about

652
00:59:45,307 --> 00:59:53,127
achieving those things and uh that's an incredible that's an incredible new tool in your in your

653
00:59:53,127 --> 01:00:01,687
toolkit it's going to be fascinating to see how this truly just revolutionizes the state of

654
01:00:01,687 --> 01:00:05,687
kind of quote higher education, especially around some of these, you know,

655
01:00:06,147 --> 01:00:09,747
very technical fields like computer science, because, you know,

656
01:00:09,767 --> 01:00:12,967
I feel like there used to be some, if you talk to like older, older developers,

657
01:00:12,967 --> 01:00:15,767
sometimes there was a stigma around like, Oh, well he's self-taught.

658
01:00:15,887 --> 01:00:17,067
So he doesn't have, you know,

659
01:00:17,107 --> 01:00:19,887
all of the chops of us who are these computer science majors.

660
01:00:20,267 --> 01:00:24,087
Now it's kind of like, I feel like in the coming years,

661
01:00:24,107 --> 01:00:27,247
it's very much going to be like, why would you waste your time going to school?

662
01:00:27,267 --> 01:00:29,007
They're so far behind, you know,

663
01:00:29,027 --> 01:00:31,387
and maybe that's not going to be the case for every university.

664
01:00:31,687 --> 01:00:38,827
Some will probably be very much with the times, but a lot of times they're not because they have their curriculums.

665
01:00:38,887 --> 01:00:40,227
They're big behemoth institutions.

666
01:00:40,227 --> 01:00:41,087
They're slower moving.

667
01:00:41,087 --> 01:00:47,747
Yes, you may have some professors who are more with the times, but a lot of them decidedly not so.

668
01:00:47,827 --> 01:00:48,747
So that's going to be fascinating.

669
01:00:48,847 --> 01:00:59,707
And the other thing that I think is really fascinating, and this comes back to Jeff Booth's thesis around just the deflationary nature of technology and how this is going to accelerate.

670
01:00:59,707 --> 01:01:05,867
because when a single person can do what used to require an entire team

671
01:01:05,867 --> 01:01:08,387
and even more time and more resources,

672
01:01:09,087 --> 01:01:10,847
when a single person can now do that,

673
01:01:11,347 --> 01:01:14,067
well, that's just driving that marginal cost of production

674
01:01:14,067 --> 01:01:16,007
lower and lower and lower.

675
01:01:16,087 --> 01:01:17,987
And it's driving it so fast.

676
01:01:17,987 --> 01:01:20,607
Like if you just see what's become possible now,

677
01:01:20,727 --> 01:01:22,447
just in like the last year or two,

678
01:01:22,707 --> 01:01:26,147
as these AI tools have gotten better, it's wild.

679
01:01:26,407 --> 01:01:28,867
And we're still in the early innings of that.

680
01:01:28,867 --> 01:01:31,187
So that is going to accelerate and accelerate.

681
01:01:31,987 --> 01:01:42,847
And when you have that ability, when anybody can take an idea and not even necessarily need to have the capital, they don't need to have the capital to back them to buy out a big team.

682
01:01:43,587 --> 01:01:47,427
They can just go and do it or at least get a pretty good MVP.

683
01:01:47,807 --> 01:01:51,407
If we're talking about software, you can come up with a get a pretty good MVP out.

684
01:01:51,487 --> 01:01:56,207
Even if you're not the most technical person, you now have that ability with vibe coding.

685
01:01:56,207 --> 01:01:59,867
granted you're probably going to need some help from actually technical people polishing it up

686
01:01:59,867 --> 01:02:04,607
later but if you're already a technical person like yourself well then i mean you are like a

687
01:02:04,607 --> 01:02:10,047
one-stop shop that's incredible and i feel like that the effects of that are ultimately

688
01:02:10,047 --> 01:02:15,427
overwhelmingly positive because again it means more competition in the marketplace which drives

689
01:02:15,427 --> 01:02:20,907
costs down which makes everything better for everyone right except for the fact that you know

690
01:02:20,907 --> 01:02:25,027
that means they need to print more money because otherwise this big you know inflationary house of

691
01:02:25,027 --> 01:02:29,887
cards all collapses, but I'm glad we have Bitcoin in that case, you know, but it's, it's wild to

692
01:02:29,887 --> 01:02:36,547
think about. Yeah. I, I had a, it's reminding me of a conversation I had with a, a family member

693
01:02:36,547 --> 01:02:44,067
of mine who's, you know, uh, you know, getting close to coming out of high school and I talked

694
01:02:44,067 --> 01:02:50,327
to them and I'm, you know, just excited and wanting to share about AI and Hey, check out what,

695
01:02:50,327 --> 01:02:54,907
what I have been able to overcome and what is possible.

696
01:02:56,027 --> 01:03:00,747
And, hey, have you thought about taking a different path?

697
01:03:00,807 --> 01:03:03,327
Have you thought about maybe taking advantage of the next year

698
01:03:03,327 --> 01:03:05,467
before you're out of high school and hustle

699
01:03:05,467 --> 01:03:07,927
and maybe even like launch your own business

700
01:03:07,927 --> 01:03:11,147
before you even get out of high school and skip college altogether?

701
01:03:13,127 --> 01:03:15,747
And wanting to talk to this young person

702
01:03:15,747 --> 01:03:18,907
about why I would even suggest something like that.

703
01:03:18,907 --> 01:03:25,847
how has the world around us changed that maybe requires an entirely different strategy of young

704
01:03:25,847 --> 01:03:33,147
people and therein lies a whole nother arbitrage because there are people doing that now there are

705
01:03:33,147 --> 01:03:37,707
and and they're looked at like oh look at this genius wonder kid no that's just somebody who

706
01:03:37,707 --> 01:03:44,127
actually took an idea and put it into action and started earlier and there's unbelievable

707
01:03:44,127 --> 01:03:50,247
different outcomes there. And I think about, you know, this family member of mine going out

708
01:03:50,247 --> 01:03:57,467
and doing college and being on the other end of that five years from now, when we're in that much

709
01:03:57,467 --> 01:04:05,287
greater of a clownish scenario out there in the world, and they're no better equipped to actually

710
01:04:05,287 --> 01:04:13,807
survive in the world because of that educational path. So it's just, to me, that's a huge dynamic

711
01:04:13,807 --> 01:04:16,587
that I think a lot of Bitcoiners take for granted

712
01:04:16,587 --> 01:04:20,527
is that I think just because being in the Bitcoin scene,

713
01:04:20,647 --> 01:04:22,587
you're already thinking differently in enough ways.

714
01:04:22,727 --> 01:04:25,467
But your perspectives over time, I think,

715
01:04:25,567 --> 01:04:29,127
puts you in a place where you're allowing yourself

716
01:04:29,127 --> 01:04:33,107
to really be skeptical and allowing yourself

717
01:04:33,107 --> 01:04:36,707
to possibly discover completely different ways forward.

718
01:04:37,447 --> 01:04:42,987
And I think that's one of the potential sort of life rafts

719
01:04:42,987 --> 01:04:48,967
in this crazy scenario, you know, Bitcoin being the ultimate life raft, but what do you do? Like,

720
01:04:49,007 --> 01:04:56,027
how do you actually put food on the table while you're, you know, still stacking and trying to get

721
01:04:56,027 --> 01:05:02,027
to, you know, a place where your family is safe and everything. I look at young people and it's

722
01:05:02,027 --> 01:05:08,647
like, there's such an opportunity here if you just understand what these tools really are and

723
01:05:08,647 --> 01:05:11,147
and what possibilities they actually offer you.

724
01:05:11,927 --> 01:05:12,407
I don't know.

725
01:05:13,167 --> 01:05:14,687
No, I couldn't agree more.

726
01:05:14,767 --> 01:05:17,427
And the ones that take advantage of that now

727
01:05:17,427 --> 01:05:23,367
are going to be leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else.

728
01:05:23,587 --> 01:05:26,227
And they're going to keep getting further and further ahead.

729
01:05:26,867 --> 01:05:27,247
And that's the thing.

730
01:05:27,287 --> 01:05:29,507
I think that the children of Bitcoiners,

731
01:05:29,727 --> 01:05:31,527
of people, early Bitcoiners,

732
01:05:31,567 --> 01:05:32,687
and I view early Bitcoiners as,

733
01:05:32,847 --> 01:05:33,787
if you're in Bitcoin right now,

734
01:05:33,847 --> 01:05:34,967
you are an early Bitcoiner.

735
01:05:35,047 --> 01:05:37,347
And I think, first of all,

736
01:05:37,387 --> 01:05:38,507
would you agree with that statement?

737
01:05:38,647 --> 01:05:45,887
broadly. Yeah. I mean, I think somebody who's starting today is not late. Let's put it that

738
01:05:45,887 --> 01:05:49,927
way. Yeah. I think, I think maybe you're not totally early, but you're definitely not late.

739
01:05:50,447 --> 01:05:54,567
Yeah. Because there's, there's, unless you're Satoshi, there was always somebody who was

740
01:05:54,567 --> 01:05:59,207
earlier than you. Right. So relatively speaking, there's always somebody who's earlier, but like

741
01:05:59,207 --> 01:06:05,147
we are still in the innovators phase of this in terms of actual adoption numbers, I think,

742
01:06:05,147 --> 01:06:07,427
in terms of real raw adoption numbers.

743
01:06:08,427 --> 01:06:11,367
So if you are the child of a Bitcoiner,

744
01:06:12,247 --> 01:06:14,727
in 15, 20 years from now,

745
01:06:14,927 --> 01:06:16,567
the world is going to look very different.

746
01:06:16,907 --> 01:06:18,007
And the world may have gone through

747
01:06:18,007 --> 01:06:20,967
an unbelievable amount of tumult and chaos in between.

748
01:06:21,627 --> 01:06:23,867
But the world that will be created afterwards,

749
01:06:24,027 --> 01:06:25,647
that will rise up from these ashes,

750
01:06:25,947 --> 01:06:27,227
is going to, I believe,

751
01:06:27,327 --> 01:06:31,187
be more abundant and beautiful than we can imagine.

752
01:06:32,127 --> 01:06:34,167
And it is going to require pain in the way there.

753
01:06:34,167 --> 01:06:42,627
But if you are the child of a Bitcoiner, if you're lucky enough, I think of the meme with the 1950s dad with the two kids sitting on his lap.

754
01:06:42,727 --> 01:06:44,807
Oh, dad, what were you doing during the pandemic?

755
01:06:45,087 --> 01:07:04,700
It like stacking sats like a psychopath fucking legend It really going to be that You going to be so advantaged from an economic perspective for one But I believe that also hopefully if we as Bitcoiner parents do our job well our children will think differently

756
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:10,641
They will think differently about the way that they interact with society, the type of society we build,

757
01:07:10,641 --> 01:07:17,280
the type of system that they want to operate in and how they don't have to play by the same rules

758
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,660
that we played with how they don't have to play by the same rules that even their peers play with

759
01:07:21,660 --> 01:07:27,841
that there are other paths forward and that there is so much power in that realization and sure you

760
01:07:27,841 --> 01:07:34,521
know maybe they still just become podcasters but at least they'll be bitcoin podcasters yeah i mean

761
01:07:34,521 --> 01:07:39,300
And there's a huge vector of freedom involved there too, right?

762
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:55,321
Because even if you have a great job and you work in an industry that you can enjoy or that you even deeply care about, there's tradeoffs that you're making constantly whenever you're working on someone else's terms.

763
01:07:55,321 --> 01:08:01,981
and I think that's a huge feature of the modern working person's life

764
01:08:01,981 --> 01:08:07,521
is this sort of hopelessness that comes from that rigid framework

765
01:08:07,521 --> 01:08:11,341
and you know that okay for the next however many decades

766
01:08:11,341 --> 01:08:15,240
I have got to show up and do what I'm told

767
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,261
and there's a whole other path possible

768
01:08:19,261 --> 01:08:23,261
I mean I've started to see the world a little differently

769
01:08:23,261 --> 01:08:34,380
as far as, you know, the people that, it's a lot of like really successful or really wealthy people

770
01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:40,701
are just living on their own terms. And maybe it's just as simple as, you know, people who are

771
01:08:40,701 --> 01:08:48,541
taking full advantage of the tax code versus not understanding the tax code. But a lot of it,

772
01:08:48,541 --> 01:08:54,060
I think really comes down to, are you working on someone else's terms or have you managed

773
01:08:54,060 --> 01:08:58,060
to orchestrate a situation in your life where you're truly working on your own terms?

774
01:08:58,721 --> 01:09:06,520
So to me, the subject we've been talking about here with new ways to build and new opportunities

775
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:15,280
to conquer learning curves, this is like incredible shortcuts to short circuit that

776
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,980
like predetermined path that everyone seems to be on.

777
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:23,501
Go through high school, go through college for another phase of your life,

778
01:09:23,900 --> 01:09:25,880
go out there and work for decades.

779
01:09:26,121 --> 01:09:31,501
And one day you're going to sit on a beach and retire and get your social security check.

780
01:09:31,681 --> 01:09:32,181
Yeah, right.

781
01:09:32,460 --> 01:09:38,520
It's like, I think we can all see clearly that whole promise is being rug pulled.

782
01:09:38,701 --> 01:09:44,420
And so I think it's a call to action that you've got to start thinking differently.

783
01:09:44,420 --> 01:10:05,440
It doesn't mean you have to just upend your current situation and totally shift gears right away, but start paying attention to what's happening. And you may just realize you have entirely other options. And I think that's another Bitcoin theme. That's to me what Bitcoin represents is optionality in a future where so few people are going to have options.

784
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:16,001
And so this is one that kind of touches on your career and how you actually keep your boat afloat.

785
01:10:16,001 --> 01:10:41,400
There are massive opportunities right now, and I think it's very hard to think of a line of work where you couldn't in some way add some efficiency gain, if not absolutely revolutionize what you're doing through just paying attention, utilizing some of this technology, finding that entrepreneurial spirit in yourself.

786
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:46,900
I mean, after all, you're not just going to sit on a beach sipping a Mai Tai.

787
01:10:47,340 --> 01:10:48,860
You need to do something with your life.

788
01:10:48,940 --> 01:10:50,420
You need to have something to care about.

789
01:10:50,581 --> 01:10:54,020
You need to have something to be excited about waking up to each day.

790
01:10:54,940 --> 01:10:58,041
You may as well be vibe-goating on the beach drinking your Mai Tai.

791
01:10:58,380 --> 01:11:02,501
You know, like if you're going to be out on a beach, you're going to get bored.

792
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:03,840
I think that's the thing.

793
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:09,661
And I think especially, I think I'm going to speak for men because I am one.

794
01:11:09,661 --> 01:11:24,900
But I think in my experience and knowing folks who are older and have retired and those that are older and haven't retired and are doing that because they're making a choice that they want to keep being involved in things.

795
01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:27,121
They want to keep building businesses, doing these things.

796
01:11:27,340 --> 01:11:29,241
It's not out of necessity but out of choice.

797
01:11:29,241 --> 01:11:33,980
If you have to keep working out of necessity as a cashier at Walmart when you're 75, that's not ideal, right?

798
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:34,980
That's not ideal.

799
01:11:34,980 --> 01:11:40,261
but if you want to keep building businesses and creating products and creating value when you're

800
01:11:40,261 --> 01:11:45,920
that age and you don't want to retire I think that ends up keeping you young longer I think that you

801
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:53,621
you need those things to keep you engaged to keep you to keep your mind agile and to give you a sense

802
01:11:53,621 --> 01:11:58,661
of a sense of purpose right and not that you cannot get purpose through their means but you

803
01:11:58,661 --> 01:12:03,001
know it's a thing again especially for men it's like a lot of the purpose comes from being a

804
01:12:03,001 --> 01:12:07,661
provider, right. From being able to know that what you were doing is creating value and that is

805
01:12:07,661 --> 01:12:14,900
allowing you to take care of your family. Uh, and you know, you can like the, it's like the greatest

806
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:20,860
value that I, that I get personally is like spending time with my wife and my son and my

807
01:12:20,860 --> 01:12:26,480
parents and her parents and you know, our sisters, like that's the greatest value I have. And I want

808
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:31,300
to be able to take care of my family as much as I possibly can. And so I will sacrifice some of the

809
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:34,621
amount of time that I could be spending with them to make sure that I'm creating value that will last

810
01:12:34,621 --> 01:12:39,541
long into the future. And that's, that's also a difficult balancing act. Like it's a really

811
01:12:39,541 --> 01:12:45,520
difficult balancing act to figure out like, at what point is it enough? Do you know what I mean?

812
01:12:45,701 --> 01:12:51,701
Because if you're a complete quote workaholic, and I don't want to put a negative stigma out

813
01:12:51,701 --> 01:12:55,320
there on folks, like if you, if you love what you're doing, by all means, keep doing it.

814
01:12:55,681 --> 01:13:00,420
But like as a parent, now something that I've, I've been really thinking a lot about is like,

815
01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:08,761
okay, at what point does it not become worth it for me to put in those extra hours to make

816
01:13:08,761 --> 01:13:13,820
those extra sats, those extra dollars, whatever? At what point is that no longer worth it? Because

817
01:13:13,820 --> 01:13:17,101
the whole reason I'm doing that is to provide the best possible life I can for my family.

818
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,761
Part of providing the best possible life I can for my family is also spending time with my family.

819
01:13:22,181 --> 01:13:26,020
It doesn't matter if I'm flying them on private jets everywhere if I'm not there. I'm also not

820
01:13:26,020 --> 01:13:30,400
flying them on private jets. I've got a long way to go for that. But you know what I mean?

821
01:13:30,420 --> 01:13:34,121
this is something I really, I think about it. It all comes back to this question of time, right?

822
01:13:34,501 --> 01:13:40,221
And your own personal time chain, it comes back to the question of how do you want to spend that

823
01:13:40,221 --> 01:13:44,721
time? And why I'm really grateful for Bitcoin is because it does give me more of a freedom of

824
01:13:44,721 --> 01:13:50,860
choice. Because I'm saving in Bitcoin, I do have more of an ability to choose how I spend my time.

825
01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:57,880
I would not have that if I was still just saving in fiat, right? I just, I purely would not.

826
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:14,340
And I think that that's a really powerful thing because that gives us the ability where it's like we, that extra, like what's the marginal value of that extra few hours worked that could have been spent spending time with your family?

827
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,141
Like how much marginal gain did you get from that?

828
01:14:17,261 --> 01:14:20,201
And I think there is a diminishing marginal return there, right?

829
01:14:20,201 --> 01:14:27,300
But thankfully, like you don't even have to necessarily worry about that as much because you have Bitcoin as your savings mechanism.

830
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,400
You have something that cannot be debased.

831
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:30,840
So your time cannot be debased.

832
01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:32,420
Your life force cannot be debased.

833
01:14:32,761 --> 01:14:35,460
And that allows you to be a lot more intentional, I think,

834
01:14:35,501 --> 01:14:37,020
which is what it ultimately comes down to.

835
01:14:37,460 --> 01:14:40,400
Because I'm not saying like, don't work at something you love.

836
01:14:40,641 --> 01:14:42,960
Like that's great if you can.

837
01:14:43,101 --> 01:14:44,280
And people should do that.

838
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:45,460
That is like the goal, right?

839
01:14:46,641 --> 01:14:50,761
But it's also like, you know, if you're like, I'm still mining fiat,

840
01:14:51,121 --> 01:14:53,400
you know, in addition to podcasting.

841
01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:55,560
Right now I'm in between some sponsors.

842
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:00,400
So like this, this will be like a pure value for value episode, which I'm doing now, which I'm like, yeah, you know what?

843
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:06,960
Because the great thing is that I actually, this is something that I've made the choice that even if I wasn't making money on it, I would still do this.

844
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,860
Like right now I'm not making money on it.

845
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,121
I'm literally doing this because I love talking to people about Bitcoin.

846
01:15:12,501 --> 01:15:18,840
And I think it's really important to have as many Bitcoin podcasts as possible in an, in a non-sarcastic way.

847
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:24,141
I mean that because I want as many people as possible, as many plebs like me as possible to get Bitcoin.

848
01:15:24,141 --> 01:15:28,141
and the more podcasts we have the more people we have writing articles more people we have

849
01:15:28,141 --> 01:15:34,780
tweeting about it no matter how toxic that's a good thing but i'm making that like you know every

850
01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:40,340
time i do this i'm making a value judgment right and i do think that long term like this is something

851
01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:43,520
that is going to be beneficial to my family even though it's time that i could be spending with

852
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:49,400
them or time i could be spending mining fiat because all of these little things we do within

853
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,761
the bitcoin community are things that help to create that hyper bitcoinized future that we all

854
01:15:53,761 --> 01:15:59,261
want, which ultimately benefits us. It benefits our families. It benefits all of us. So that's a

855
01:15:59,261 --> 01:16:04,301
very long winded way of saying, I think that what's so incredible about time chain calendar

856
01:16:04,301 --> 01:16:09,840
is that it's a great reminder of how precious our time is and the passage of that time.

857
01:16:10,101 --> 01:16:15,081
And it should, it's something that you should think deeply about, which is how are you spending

858
01:16:15,081 --> 01:16:20,701
your time? And it's also funny. We talk about spending time and saving time, right? We talk

859
01:16:20,701 --> 01:16:27,420
about time like it's money. There's a reason for that, right? Fiat's just a really bad way to spend

860
01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:35,081
or save your time. So thankfully we have Bitcoin. Rants. Fiat is a time, very nice rant, by the way.

861
01:16:35,681 --> 01:16:42,761
The fiat is the time thief. I mean, this is the biggest immoral part of all of this

862
01:16:42,761 --> 01:16:50,520
monetary system that we're trying to solve for. It's taking time away from you. People are

863
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:56,780
working towards some perceived retirement that they may never get to because the holes in the

864
01:16:56,780 --> 01:17:04,601
bucket are so big. So, you know, Bitcoin goes a long way towards solving that. You have to work

865
01:17:04,601 --> 01:17:10,940
hard, though. You have to actually stack and keep stacking. You have to learn and keep learning.

866
01:17:11,701 --> 01:17:16,560
And when it comes to a lot of these questions about what do you do for work and what is your

867
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:26,541
career, you know, these are just modes of perhaps capturing more time in your future,

868
01:17:27,301 --> 01:17:34,221
maybe bringing forward that time of your life when you're able to actually stretch out and

869
01:17:34,221 --> 01:17:39,621
relax more and have a little more fun and spend more time and be there. I mean, you know, I,

870
01:17:39,621 --> 01:17:47,860
I see it every day with, uh, with my family. It's, there's these, some days it's just,

871
01:17:48,001 --> 01:17:52,920
there's fleeting moments and you have to actually stop what you're doing. You have to actually

872
01:17:52,920 --> 01:18:01,501
make that space to really be in that moment to really gain from it. And you never get it back.

873
01:18:01,940 --> 01:18:08,780
The next day is a different one. So it's, I think all of these things, this is, this is again,

874
01:18:08,780 --> 01:18:33,860
And why I think Bitcoin is so meaningful, just to put these kinds of thoughts in your head to get you thinking in a new way, to get you open minded enough to see different ways forward and to actually take courageous, risky steps to really further advantage you and your family so that your time is more your own.

875
01:18:33,860 --> 01:18:57,840
You know, what I was saying before about working on your own terms, it's huge to actually dictate what you're going to be spending your lifetime doing versus kind of signing up for a regimented thing on somebody else's schedule and somebody else's terms.

876
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:02,681
and that's your lifetime being spent with this dangling carrot of,

877
01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:06,820
oh yeah, decades from now, you'll be able to do it on your terms.

878
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,121
It's such a Faustian bargain.

879
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:10,621
It's such just bullshit.

880
01:19:10,621 --> 01:19:16,161
And so, you know, that's where I'm grateful that I've been in this thing

881
01:19:16,161 --> 01:19:17,761
these last several years.

882
01:19:18,340 --> 01:19:22,581
And I got to this place a couple years ago where I'm like,

883
01:19:22,621 --> 01:19:26,340
okay, it's time to figure out how to carve that new path.

884
01:19:26,340 --> 01:19:32,400
and I'm overwhelmed with having made it.

885
01:19:32,721 --> 01:19:34,741
I look at it like I made it to Basecamp.

886
01:19:34,900 --> 01:19:36,340
I am by no means at the summit,

887
01:19:36,581 --> 01:19:38,501
but I feel like launching this app

888
01:19:38,501 --> 01:19:40,020
was like making it to Basecamp

889
01:19:40,020 --> 01:19:42,060
and it was a harrowing journey to get there.

890
01:19:42,380 --> 01:19:46,420
But here I am and I'm so excited for what lays ahead

891
01:19:46,420 --> 01:19:48,960
and all these things we've been talking about

892
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,320
are critical aspects of that going forward.

893
01:19:53,081 --> 01:19:54,880
I want to be conscious of the time we have

894
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,980
and maybe give you a chance to talk about a little bit,

895
01:19:57,001 --> 01:20:01,581
because I know I just saw, like, I think it was either your post on X or on Noster,

896
01:20:02,420 --> 01:20:05,761
but just saying some of the things that you're planning on building,

897
01:20:05,820 --> 01:20:07,221
some of these features that you're building out.

898
01:20:07,261 --> 01:20:09,121
This is one of the reasons I did the paid subscription,

899
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,020
like one being want to support the awesome work that you're doing.

900
01:20:12,261 --> 01:20:13,920
Yes, you're giving me a valuable product, yes,

901
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,560
but also because you kind of teased it and you were like,

902
01:20:15,641 --> 01:20:18,581
well, any other special features that come out, you're going to get them.

903
01:20:18,601 --> 01:20:20,360
And I was like, what are those features going to be?

904
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:21,621
Can you hint at any of those?

905
01:20:21,681 --> 01:20:22,541
And we got a new block.

906
01:20:22,780 --> 01:20:23,601
Beautiful block, too.

907
01:20:23,601 --> 01:20:25,960
I love those even number blocks.

908
01:20:26,621 --> 01:20:28,081
It's satisfying, right?

909
01:20:28,301 --> 01:20:28,940
It's satisfying.

910
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:31,541
But yeah, so whatever you can choose that without giving too much away.

911
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:37,440
Let me give you and your listeners a little hint because I didn't mention this in any of the announcements with the app.

912
01:20:37,801 --> 01:20:39,101
Somebody's going to notice it.

913
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,761
People are going to find out and look for it.

914
01:20:41,801 --> 01:20:51,301
But when new blocks hit on the mobile app, the ripples, that animation that we've been seeing a couple times here on the website, it's different on the mobile app.

915
01:20:51,301 --> 01:20:52,520
And it's dynamic.

916
01:20:53,141 --> 01:20:56,161
And different blocks have different patterns of ripples.

917
01:20:56,780 --> 01:20:59,661
And so that's actually something really fun to look for.

918
01:21:00,081 --> 01:21:02,121
The even number blocks do something different.

919
01:21:02,121 --> 01:21:10,121
And basically, there's a sort of algorithmic scheme by which the pattern of the ripples is occurring.

920
01:21:10,340 --> 01:21:13,741
So some blocks, you only see a little one or two ripples.

921
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:15,081
And other blocks, you see more.

922
01:21:15,181 --> 01:21:16,501
And there's different thicknesses.

923
01:21:16,621 --> 01:21:18,060
And it's kind of interesting.

924
01:21:18,161 --> 01:21:19,020
So just check for that.

925
01:21:19,020 --> 01:21:23,280
But in regards to your question, yeah, there's a lot more coming.

926
01:21:23,641 --> 01:21:29,960
I mean, I had to, again, sort of be sort of disciplined and hold back and not talk about it too much on this launch.

927
01:21:30,261 --> 01:21:33,101
But there's so much more coming for the existing features.

928
01:21:33,221 --> 01:21:35,041
There's going to be way more widgets.

929
01:21:35,681 --> 01:21:39,501
There's going to be way more different flavors of alerts that you can set.

930
01:21:39,980 --> 01:21:42,221
There's going to be way more features in the camera.

931
01:21:43,121 --> 01:21:46,360
So subscribing just, like, sets you up to just get all this stuff.

932
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:52,780
There's other big features going to land in the mobile app. I don't want to talk about those quite yet.

933
01:21:52,780 --> 01:22:06,820
But one big obvious one that a lot of people remind me of regularly is the Watch app, which before I decided to build the mobile app, I actually wanted to build the Watch app.

934
01:22:07,241 --> 01:22:19,121
And in my early proof of concept experimentation, it was clear to me that to really make it successful, it needed a mobile app to pair with it.

935
01:22:19,121 --> 01:22:24,001
And that's one of the big reasons why I decided to go with the mobile app first.

936
01:22:24,181 --> 01:22:28,641
So now that the mobile app is out, there's a clear path to executing the watch app.

937
01:22:28,980 --> 01:22:30,221
So that's coming too.

938
01:22:31,241 --> 01:22:40,181
As far as even bigger picture, Time Chain Calendar is going to grow to as many platforms as I can bring it to.

939
01:22:40,181 --> 01:22:45,420
I just have this vision in my head of these circles on any screen anywhere.

940
01:22:45,420 --> 01:22:52,960
really tiny, small, compact on your wrist, all the way up to filling a TV screen,

941
01:22:54,081 --> 01:23:00,081
filling up a whole wall. It's going to be all over the place. So basically, in a nutshell,

942
01:23:00,081 --> 01:23:05,201
without actually getting too specific, I'm going to be just bringing the concept to as many

943
01:23:05,201 --> 01:23:10,420
different platforms as I can. And that was the exciting thing about the mobile is that's a huge

944
01:23:10,420 --> 01:23:18,001
new platform beyond web to start working on. And each of these platforms offers new features and

945
01:23:18,001 --> 01:23:25,780
new ways to interact with it. All of it, hopefully in the spirit of just connecting you more with

946
01:23:25,780 --> 01:23:32,440
this thing that you're so obsessed with, with this thing that you care about and that you want

947
01:23:32,440 --> 01:23:39,020
to learn more about and you want to kind of live in a connected state with.

948
01:23:40,420 --> 01:23:45,840
I'll just say a couple of the things that I thought were really cool about the mobile app beyond the ones we've talked about already.

949
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,880
Just the like this day in Bitcoin.

950
01:23:48,201 --> 01:23:49,480
That's super cool.

951
01:23:49,541 --> 01:23:53,841
It's just like sourcing a little bit of Bitcoin history, a little few Bitcoin fun facts.

952
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:55,181
Very nice.

953
01:23:55,301 --> 01:23:59,520
And then what I still need to do, actually, I need to set it as my as a widget on my lock screen.

954
01:23:59,621 --> 01:24:02,880
Because right now I think I've got like the Bitcoin price that I'm pulling from.

955
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,980
I think it's I'm pulling it from like the Apple stocks app or something right now.

956
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:07,701
And it's I've got this.

957
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,980
I've got the US dollar price.

958
01:24:10,420 --> 01:24:17,121
price i've got the moscow time version with and without a little bitcoin symbol depending on how

959
01:24:17,121 --> 01:24:21,940
much offset you want to have on your lock screen uh check it out because there's i think something

960
01:24:21,940 --> 01:24:28,380
like 12 or 13 different lock screen widgets you can apply on ios it's also have fun mix and match

961
01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:34,621
play around it's it's super cool and again it's just like something that like makes bitcoin more

962
01:24:34,621 --> 01:24:40,820
accessible to you and gives, and it makes it a lot easier to see what the price is without,

963
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:46,721
you know, opening up a different app. And that's what I'm talking about. I'm always curious,

964
01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:53,560
you know, that's one of these ways to be more connected, right? Instead of actually having to

965
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:59,001
open the app and look, you just glance at your lock screen or glance at your home screen. And

966
01:24:59,001 --> 01:25:04,841
it surfaces that information for you to see it without having to even open an app.

967
01:25:05,501 --> 01:25:09,440
You know, I'm really excited about the watch for that reason, so that you just have it

968
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:15,721
there on your wrist and it can buzz you every block or it can buzz you when, you know, price

969
01:25:15,721 --> 01:25:16,761
thresholds get hit.

970
01:25:17,201 --> 01:25:18,480
And there's just so much more.

971
01:25:18,581 --> 01:25:23,601
All of these paradigms are really, I'm just scratching the surface with.

972
01:25:23,601 --> 01:25:33,181
So excited to just keep adding on and giving you more and more value for your subscription.

973
01:25:33,780 --> 01:25:34,980
I love it, man.

974
01:25:35,261 --> 01:25:38,060
Well, I'm glad we finally got a chance to have this conversation.

975
01:25:38,661 --> 01:25:43,181
People should check out timechaincalendar.com, Time Chain Calendar in the App Store and the Play Store.

976
01:25:43,341 --> 01:25:43,860
It's cool.

977
01:25:44,721 --> 01:25:46,501
You are not paying me to say this.

978
01:25:46,581 --> 01:25:47,621
I'm literally paying you.

979
01:25:47,740 --> 01:25:51,440
So you know that it's sincere for folks who want to check it out.

980
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:55,641
But I'll link your Noster and your X in here.

981
01:25:55,761 --> 01:25:59,701
But I want to just let people know where else to find you or anything else you want to talk about.

982
01:26:00,820 --> 01:26:02,141
I mean, there's so much more.

983
01:26:02,181 --> 01:26:03,740
I'd love to come back and have more conversations.

984
01:26:03,740 --> 01:26:05,501
Yeah, we're going to have to be back on.

985
01:26:05,681 --> 01:26:10,181
Yeah, but I mean, just to wrap it up, timechaincalendar.com on the web.

986
01:26:10,181 --> 01:26:17,621
And, you know, the socials follow the project account, Time Chain Cal, on Twitter if you're there.

987
01:26:17,621 --> 01:26:23,980
And on Noster, I'm at TC, the NIP05 is TC at timechaincalendar.com.

988
01:26:25,001 --> 01:26:32,541
And that's basically a parallel account as far as the content that I post to what's going on over there on Twitter.

989
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:44,541
I'm actually just kind of finding the courage and the context for approaching Noster in a new way at this point.

990
01:26:44,541 --> 01:26:50,060
I'm actually, I think I'm going to use that camera feature and I'm going to start a vlog.

991
01:26:50,721 --> 01:26:53,860
I've been kind of like building up the courage to do it.

992
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,320
But I think I'm going to start doing that.

993
01:26:58,141 --> 01:27:03,320
And, you know, Noster is an incredible platform and it is not the same thing as Twitter.

994
01:27:04,121 --> 01:27:09,280
And there's so many frontiers that I'm yet to kind of dive more into.

995
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:10,661
So I'm excited about that.

996
01:27:10,661 --> 01:27:12,860
So if anything, connect with me there.

997
01:27:12,860 --> 01:27:17,681
and I'm just super grateful for coming on and chatting with you.

998
01:27:17,740 --> 01:27:18,460
This has been wonderful.

999
01:27:18,701 --> 01:27:24,041
I'm super overwhelmed with the positive response of the launch on Monday

1000
01:27:24,041 --> 01:27:29,141
and I am just jacked excited about what's to come.

1001
01:27:29,581 --> 01:27:30,501
So stay tuned.

1002
01:27:30,801 --> 01:27:33,900
Well, thank you for spending some of your scarce time with me.

1003
01:27:34,041 --> 01:27:35,121
It's much appreciated.

1004
01:27:35,860 --> 01:27:37,560
People should seriously check it out.

1005
01:27:38,161 --> 01:27:39,940
Time Chain Calendar is just very cool.

1006
01:27:40,101 --> 01:27:41,001
It's very satisfying.

1007
01:27:41,001 --> 01:27:44,460
and I might have to get a smartwatch

1008
01:27:44,460 --> 01:27:46,520
just to be able to display it

1009
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,740
once you do have that go live.

1010
01:27:48,301 --> 01:27:49,181
But until then, yeah,

1011
01:27:49,341 --> 01:27:51,101
looking forward to your vlog,

1012
01:27:51,341 --> 01:27:53,240
your vibe logging on Noster.

1013
01:27:53,501 --> 01:27:54,641
We'll see you over there.

1014
01:27:54,721 --> 01:27:56,301
But seriously, thanks for coming on.

1015
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:57,440
It was a blast.

1016
01:27:57,541 --> 01:27:58,380
I'll have to have you back soon.

1017
01:27:59,280 --> 01:27:59,601
Awesome.

1018
01:28:00,020 --> 01:28:00,261
Cheers.

1019
01:28:00,940 --> 01:28:01,341
Cheers.

1020
01:28:01,341 --> 01:28:14,661
And that's a wrap on this Bitcoin Talk episode of The Bitcoin Podcast.

1021
01:28:15,301 --> 01:28:19,261
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1022
01:28:19,701 --> 01:28:23,581
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1023
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1024
01:28:27,121 --> 01:28:30,280
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1025
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1026
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1027
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1028
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1029
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1030
01:28:54,380 --> 01:29:00,001
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1031
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