My son, I was talking to him the other day, and he was talking about how he doesn't want
his piggy bank to be stolen by the inflation monster.
And so he's storing his money in gold and Bitcoin.
And like, he told me, dad, people must know.
They must know about Bitcoin.
But it's amazing.
Like I have a conversation with him, and then I have a conversation with like my uncle or
you know, grandpa.
People who just their minds have been solidified, right?
It's so much harder for them to catch up.
They have to unlearn so much.
And it really is like, if you want to change the world, you start with the kids.
The difference with us is like, we're not, we're not hiding anything in the show.
What's in the show is on the package, right?
And that's kind of the difference between some of the other stuff, the other kids shows
is they'll, they'll kind of hide it from parents and sneak it in.
And we're like, you get what you get.
If you love it, like show the kids if not, don't worry about it.
Today, my guest is Johnny Vance, the writer and co-creator of the Total Twins TV show.
If you are not familiar with the Total Twins, it is an educational children's show that
teaches kids principles of freedom, Austrian economics, Bitcoin and a whole lot more, all
while being incredibly hilarious.
I highly recommend you check it out for yourself and show it to your kids.
And if you don't have kids, I still highly recommend you check it out because it is excellent.
It is a TV show that people of all ages can learn from.
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Without further ado, let's get into this Bitcoin talk with Johnny Vance of the Total Twins.
Johnny, man, thanks for hopping on here.
Great to see you again, not in the flesh like in Nashville, but this will have to do for
now.
Yeah, pleasure, man.
How you been?
Been living.
My voice is a little rough because I just got back from a wedding this weekend.
So I do apologize for that in advance.
Many good times were had, probably two good of times, hence the bad voice.
But yeah.
It was a Bitcoin wedding too, right?
It was indeed a Bitcoin wedding.
And honestly, it's awesome to get together with Bitcoiners and not have a conference.
I got to say, this is kind of great.
I'm really, really here for this.
But yeah, it was a treat.
I'm also like, I'm a sucker for a celebration of love.
Yeah, amen.
It's good.
It's like, I love that Bitcoiners seem to be like having babies, getting married, being
super hopeful.
And it can't be a coincidence.
I mean, I have a lot of other friends too who are not like hardcore Bitcoiners.
They are also getting, I went to some Fiat weddings this summer.
Bunch of my friends are having kids too.
But it seems like the concentration is higher within the Bitcoiners space.
I don't know if you see that as well.
Maybe that's just anecdotally true.
But yeah, it seems like Bitcoiners are doing a lot of marrying and baby making these days.
Yeah, I'd love to see it.
I mean, not the, you know, you know what I meant.
Yeah, it's great.
It's great.
Yeah, I would love to see a chart though.
I would love to see it charted out.
Just see how many babies, how many weddings versus where you are on the Fiat Bitcoin spectrum
and see the correlation.
Somebody's got to do that analysis.
But yeah, well, I appreciate you jumping on here and reaching out about this because
I was very stoked because obviously I'm a huge fan of Tuttle Twins and what you guys are
doing.
And I feel like I haven't seen a ton of podcast appearances out of your crew.
And so I was like, well, this is awesome.
Like, people really love what you guys are doing.
And I think it's great to kind of get a little bit of the behind the scenes like, okay, this
is how the educational sausage is made, so to speak.
Thanks, man.
Yeah, I mean, I think we just forget to do press because we're so busy creating in a
closet.
We just are in our own little, you know, literally a small closet office kind of place.
And yeah, so my apologies and thank you for graciously accepting and talking about it.
We're so excited to kind of have another Bitcoin episode to launch.
The Bitcoin community has been so awesome and they just have kind of embraced us.
Tuttle Twins is not, for those of you who don't know, it's not like a Bitcoin-centric
show.
It's a freedom.
Centric show, you could say like the magic school bus of economics and freedom for kids.
And so it's just been so gratifying though to see the Bitcoin community just like love
our stuff and support us.
Well, I mean, you definitely, I think, topics of freedom generally, like even if something's
not explicitly about Bitcoin, it's like that all weaves in, right?
Like, these are things that bit coiners care about and even bit coiners don't want to only
hear about just Bitcoin constantly.
And I think you guys do a really nice job of that.
But I've got actually a bunch of questions for you just because I'm a curious person.
But maybe just kind of like a good place to start is just who are you?
How did you get here today to be making this freedom focused educational children's show?
How does one get into that line of work?
What was your journey here?
Yes.
I was a worker, I asked myself this every day, like how did I get here?
Because yeah, making a children's cartoon about freedom wasn't on my bucket list for
my life.
But I'm just, I love it.
It's the best.
So yeah, I started like, let's see, going back to school, I majored in genetics and biotech.
So just really, really helped prepare me for what I'm doing today.
But like right out of school.
Not what I would have guessed.
No, no.
Very much a pre-med kind of person.
And then I took a sketch writing class and it was the funnest thing I'd ever taken and
I spent like 10 times the time writing these sketches just for this class than I did on
any of my pre-med stuff.
I ended up getting one of my sketches bought, it was like a homework assignment, and it was
aired on this sketch comedy show called Studio C. And then I got a job as a writer on the
show and that transitioned into a great marketing job.
We basically made sketches that sold stuff.
So if you've ever seen the Squatty Potty commercial or the Purple Mattress or Loomie
Deodorant commercials, we kind of helped launch all those brands and just make ridiculous
hilarious ads online.
I have a Squatty Potty, so like it must have worked.
Amazing.
And what we developed is a weird skill set.
For instance, with Squatty Potty, we had to teach people about the puberectalus muscle
and how it kinks when you're sitting wrong on the toilet, when you're squatting wrong.
So we made this weird skill set of entertaining while educating.
And then we thought, well, we'd love to do original content, what can we do?
And my co-founder and I, Daniel, we thought of this book series.
We had a good friend, Connor Boyak, who'd been writing these freedom books called Tuttle
Twins.
And we thought, well, what if we made this into a kid show?
What if we made this into something that our kids, so that we'd want to show our kids?
And yeah, we crowdfunded it, just threw it out there.
Parents loved it.
We ended up breaking the record for most crowdfunded kid show in the world.
We beat a Netflix show randomly.
And then we'd just been trying to kind of grow it since then.
And it's been a grind, but it's been very gratifying over these past, I guess, three
seasons of Tuttle Twins.
When were you guys initially crowdfunding?
Was this pre-COVID that you guys were doing?
Oh gosh, it was like beginning of COVID.
It was like 2020, like October 2020.
So yeah, it'd been going on for six weeks.
Wow, okay.
You know, to stop the spread.
Yeah, a lot of six weeks by that time.
I mean, it's wild because, I mean, first of all, it was not expecting your background
to be as such.
But that's the interesting thing, I think, about a lot of people, maybe a lot of Bitcoiners,
to find themselves in this new world where they did not anticipate to be doing what they're
doing right now at any point.
This wasn't like part of anyone's five-year or 10-year plan or anything.
But then you just kind of find this calling, if you will, and something that you really
enjoy, but also something, and hopefully some that makes money as well.
But then it's something that is bringing a lot of good to the world.
Like it's a mission that you're on that is beyond just like, I mean, I'm sure the ad
business was fairly interesting and fairly fun.
Clearly, you guys did well with it.
But I'm guessing you get a lot more fulfillment out of what you do now.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it's wild.
I mean, the type of conversations we're having behind the scenes with guest stars, the type
of comments we're hearing from moms, from dads, from kids, it's literally like world
changing to us because we're...
Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, Squatty Potty can help people poop better, but like, Tuttle
Swans can change children's futures, it can change families, it can change how you save.
We literally had kids asking their parents to be paid in Bitcoin for their allowance,
right, after that episode.
And so it's like, yeah, it's super humbling just to see, like, we could change the course
of somebody's life.
And I mean, our goal is to reach 100 million kids.
I don't know how far we are with that goal, but every year it's getting more and more
and it's super exciting.
Yeah, it's awesome.
And I mean, I think, first of all, what you guys do, I mean, maybe before I get into kind
of some specific questions, I should let you explain a little bit for somebody who maybe
has been living under a rock, has not heard of Tuttle Twins yet.
Can you talk about just kind of the premise of the show?
You know, okay, they hear kids show, that could mean a lot of things these days.
What is the Tuttle Twins?
What's that 50,000 foot view of it?
How do you guys approach it?
What's the story you're telling?
Yeah, so Tuttle Twins is a show about a grandma with a time traveling wheelchair who takes
her grandkids on crazy adventures to learn about freedom and economics.
And you can think of it like a mix between like Magic School Bus with Finney Sun Ferb
and probably The Simpsons, because every other joke is for the parents.
We made it for ourselves and for our kids.
And so we kind of shoot for that sweet spot of like, you can watch it as a family and
there's not going to be anything that's going, you're going to have to fumble for the remote,
but there's going to be jokes that go over kids' heads and there's going to be moments
that kids die and parents kind of roll their eyes, but hopefully don't turn off the TV.
So it's kind of that sweet spot that we shoot for.
And yeah, we focus on kind of each episode is based on a historical figure or some sort
of principle that we want to teach.
We have an episode called the Inflation Monster that's based off of the creature from Jekyll
Island.
And so we break it down in a way that kids understand.
And the ironic part is that kind of caught us off guard is that when we do it in that
way, adults actually understand it too and way more than sometimes they even learned
in school or in the economics classes and stuff.
And so I think there's just something about cartoons that people just put their guard
down and they just, you know, will actually listen and learn.
And it's super cool that it's kind of found that place of a family viewing experience.
Now, I love it and I mean, it's a very difficult thing to do to make complex topics, to explain
them in a short form way or shorter form way, like distilling down the, for instance, the
wisdom of Mises or Hayek into a short episode.
But furthermore, to do that in a way that it appeals to kids, because I mean, there is
a lot of, a lot of crap out there for that is, I guess, targeted towards kids these days.
And as a new dad myself, I'm like, starting to kind of look at some of this stuff.
He's not really of an age where he's, you know, watching TV or anything yet.
And when he eventually is, I want, we want to be extremely cautious about the kind of
stuff we're going to expose him to.
But it's a very difficult thing.
And I know this because this is what Carl and I would do to a much less creative extent
than you guys, but with our short form videos, it's like, it's really difficult to condense
something down into layman terms and to do it in a small little block of time amidst
an environment where everybody is so distracted.
And it's this very, you know, it's this, this tick tock kind of world that we're living
in now where you've got a few seconds to hook somebody.
And if you don't, you've lost them, they're on to the next.
And if you do manage to get them there, okay, how do you make sure that you actually get
the message across that you're trying to in a way that's approachable for them?
And I think you guys take that to another level, which is how do we do that for kids
in a way that's also like appropriate, but stimulating, but not like two strobe lights
stimulating, you know, like setting off all their, their dopamine receptors.
So like, how do you, how do you find that, that balance while also as you say, and having
watched a number of your episodes, you do throw in a lot of stuff for the parents too.
Like that is very like sly, you know, and it's, it's great.
But how do you find a balance?
How do you, I mean, is your writing process extremely like extensive, I would imagine,
just to be able to get all that stuff into a tiny format?
Gosh, yeah.
I mean, we kind of approached it.
None of us are Hollywood veterans.
We're all sort of outsiders.
And we just took the learnings we had from these ads where we needed to literally distill
tons of information down to three minutes.
And so we kind of took the same process into the show.
And so some of the people that we work with who are more industry animators have told us,
man, your writing is way long.
But we just want to make sure it's right.
Like we rest on the writing of the show.
So we take like six weeks to write and then we take nine months about to make the episode,
each episode.
So it is a long process, but we, part of the secret sauce for us is we're a crowd funded
and crowd supported show.
And so we're literally running the episode by parents months before it comes out.
And we're running it by our fans and just making sure that this is what they want.
Not to the point of like the fans dictate everything, but we listen to them and because
that's where the buck stops.
And it is interesting, like it's kind of, there is wisdom in the crowd when you can
pull people separately in a way that they don't get group think or become a mob, then
they can tell you what they want and you can see the patterns and you adjust it and change
your show to what they want.
So I think that's been part of the success.
And just, I think every script starts out way longer than it ends up.
And then we chisel away, we simplify and just get it down to the core lesson of each episode.
And maybe you can talk a little bit again, because I want to make sure for anybody who's
not yet familiar, but perhaps is starting to get a little bit interested in like, okay,
what is this magical children's show?
But it is for children, but that adults like myself can also enjoy.
What are kind of these, you mentioned you're covering freedom.
You have some episodes on Bitcoin.
How do you structure all these episodes?
You guys have three seasons out now, a lot of episodes, a lot of great clips, some of
which have gone super viral on social media.
How do you structure these episodes?
You mentioned historical figures, but do you have kind of a rubric of like, here's what
we want to get through here, the things we need to get through to impart the right kind
of information?
Or how planned out ahead is it, I guess, in advance?
Or do you just kind of pick from these larger themes, look for the characters that you want
to bring in and then go from there, if that makes sense?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're always lesson first.
And then, you know, who could be the guide?
Who could be the historical figure that could teach that lesson?
And yeah, a lot of these lessons will come from parents.
You know, they'll say, oh, I'd love to have a lesson on inflation, or I'd love to have
a lesson on civil disobedience, or a lesson on central planning, or something like that.
And then, yeah, we just kind of pair that with historical figure, kind of try and teach
what they taught, distill it down to kids.
And then, I mean, we are an independent show.
We're not beholden to Hollywood, or to international markets, like a lot of the big blockbusters
are, like we don't have to bow to what China wants.
And so, it is cool.
We get to be a lot more flexible.
Like, if we hear something at a conference, we can just, you know, go right to that person
and be like, hey, do you want to make this cartoon with us?
You know, like, just some tweet that resonates or something on a podcast.
So it is cool because we get to be more nimble, and we get it react quicker.
And like, when we launched our Bitcoin episode, I think we were the first kids show to break
it down for kids.
I don't even know if there's been another one since that's tried to do it.
So I don't know.
We can probably act quicker and choose the wrong lessons, but we could also choose the
right lessons, you know, way faster than anyone in Hollywood can, too.
So yeah, any other questions on that?
Well, I mean, I guess, you know, you mentioned just the fact that you guys are not like Hollywood
people, you're also not beholden to those same interest groups or national interests
that cause a lot of TV shows or movies to kind of fold under pressure and compromise
their message, compromise their content.
Can you talk about like working through Angel, the, I guess it's the production company or
it's the hosting platform?
Our studio, yeah.
Our studio.
Yeah.
I'm very much not a Hollywood guy, so I need some help here.
So how does that all work?
How did you guys get linked up with them and kind of what's their, you know, what's their
MO?
How are they operating?
How are they different?
Yeah.
So Angel's been a great partner since the beginning.
We crowdfunded the show, and they also invested in the show, think of it as sort of its own
company.
They are like exclusive distributors, so they can put it on other platforms.
They can put it, you know, they monetize it on Angel and help grow the show.
So yeah, an Angel for those of you who don't know, it's a free app, Angel Studios.
You can just download the Angel app.
Angel.com was actually owned by Michael Saylor at some point, which is all sorts of coincidences.
I think he sold it for something like a hundred million, and Angel bought it for two.
So like, it was a funny time.
He sold it at the peak.
They bought it at the trough.
But yeah, really, really fun.
And Angel, sort of their mission is to tell stories, to amplify light and tell stories
that spread good.
And Telltale Twins fits their criteria.
Actually we found a great audience there with the Angel audience, and the founders of Angel
are just big time bitcoiners too.
And so they're kind of seeing it as, man, we get to spread amazing messages.
And yeah, actually some of the founders helped the Ron Paul campaign back in the day.
And so, sort of that OG libertarian wave.
And so it's been really fun to work with Angel.
And I'll speak a little bit to the style, kind of what makes Angel different.
So it goes back to what I was saying a little bit earlier, where the crowd chooses what
gets made at Angel.
So they have something called the Angel Guild, where if you subscribe to Angel, it's not
just like a subscription, but you're actually part of this gatekeeper group, where instead
of like five studio execs green lighting project, it's literally hundreds of thousands of people,
of the people of the audience who will actually like support the show.
And so if it doesn't pass the approval of that crowd, it doesn't get made.
And so that's sort of the difference with Angel.
And in the end, their popcorn meter on Rotten Tomatoes, like the audience score is higher
than any other studio.
It's like 95% on average.
So they can call hits way before they sunk millions into distribution or into the production.
So it's pretty, pretty cool to get that early barometer on success.
And then, yeah, it just allows the fans to kind of evangelize it and get their full
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Okay, that is first of all kind of fascinating.
I actually was not aware of the approval process within that that angels guild.
But so I mean, it's really kind of fascinating, of course, drawing parallels to, you know,
Bitcoin versus Fiat here.
The Fiat studio is very top down, right?
Like you said, a board of executives who decide this is what's good and this is what's bad.
And we see oftentimes like you look at Disney, a lot of their recent programming has done
really, really poorly because you get some like woke execs in there who decide on this
is what we need to do and like, you know, screw the fans, what they say doesn't matter,
we're going to tell them what they should like versus this very bottom up, I mean, really
decentralized approach to decision making to gatekeeping that says this is what we as individuals
acting freely of our own accord say we want.
And it turns out the crowd, I mean, just judging by the metrics you said, the crowd is smarter
than just this small group of isolated individuals who are probably pretty out of touch with
what the average viewer genuinely wants.
And like clearly, like again, Disney is a great example of that, that failure of that
centralized top down approach.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, when you went the little pool, you're swimming in when you have like four
trans children and it's and your net worth is way higher and you ignore middle America.
I mean, you're going to be so out of touch.
It's central planning at its finest in the entertainment industry.
But yeah, absolutely.
Do you think, I mean, kind of more broadly, what do you think just personally are some
of the things that you think the entertainment industry is really getting wrong today, but
more specifically getting wrong for kids programming?
Like where are they, where are they failing?
And then how does Angel Studios and then specifically Tuttle Twins kind of fill that gap?
Like what are these the big needs that you guys see where kids are really being kind
of left high and dry?
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of garbage out there, like you were saying.
I think there's a lot of studio execs that are just picking the wrong things.
They're gatekeeping wrong.
I think there's also a lot of kind of studio execs that they just follow the sort of the
addictive dopamine numbers, right?
Like you look at Coco Melon, it is off the charts popular, but it's actually like studies
have shown it's like crack for kids.
It is nothing of substance, right?
So it may not be, I don't know, like super terrible in terms of what they're teaching.
It could be, I don't know, my kids watch it, but it's just garbage, right?
And then I think, yeah, they're not listening to fans.
That being said, I do think there are clear successes.
Bluey is a huge success, and I think the way that they create it is outside of the Hollywood
system too.
And it's even though Disney licenses it, Disney has no part in micromanaging it or making
it.
And so they've kind of stumbled into that.
So I would say there are good options out there.
It's just of all the options out there, parents just need to be more picky, I think, and they
need to kind of listen to their friends, their peers to be able to vet all the content that's
out there.
And, you know, ideally kids are spending as much time as possible outside and playing,
and very little time watching TV.
But there is also obviously a lot of beneficial content out there now.
There's a lot of incredible resources even just like on YouTube as far as education goes.
But how do you guys try to toe the line between, okay, this needs to be interesting enough
where kids will actually be like, mom and dad, I want to watch Tuttle Twins.
Maybe if they get a, I don't know if parents are still giving their kids like you have
30 minutes a day to watch TV.
That was kind of how it was when I was younger.
Maybe now it's more of a free-for-all.
But how do you make sure that Tuttle Twins is a show that kids will ask that they say,
you know, I want to watch this versus all of the other stuff that's out there, much
of which is very potentially damaging, either in terms of just like dopamine crack experience
or just a really weird underhanded messaging experience.
And then, but still have it be incredibly educational.
That must be a fine line to walk because you got to get them in the door first, right?
You've got to make them want to watch the show.
Yeah, that's right.
I'd say it's a struggle each episode.
We just try and balance it, you know?
And I mean, yeah, like I make the show and my kids to have very limited screen time each
week and so, but they know every the first Tuesday of every month is Tuttle Tuesday.
So they get to watch a new episode, you know?
So, I don't know.
I mean, yeah, it really is such a balance.
We're trying to make it good enough, but not addictive and, you know, nutritious enough
that, hey, if they watch this episode, you know, they can learn about the overpopulation
myth or something like that, right?
They can come across with something that will help them live their life a little bit better.
Do you have a, or do your kids have a favorite episode that like, you're like, this is the
one if I had to pick one or maybe your kids, if they have one that they like to come back
to?
Yeah.
Oh, let's see.
It kind of depends on the week.
My son loves spooky, scary subsidies.
They kind of, yeah.
I think it's a Mises episode, yeah, and then learn about subsidies and kind of messed
up markets and stuff, and then end up going to a Halloween world where the pumpkins have
been replaced by onions because onions got a subsidy.
Everyone's drinking onion spice lattes and, you know, carving onions and it's terrible
and nobody really likes it except the ogres.
And so it's kind of a fun, I know we tried like packaging these lessons into like a fun
world and kids love the world.
And they're like, oh, I guess I did learn something down the line.
So, yeah.
I love that it's got this like G rated Rick and Morty kind of metaverse appeal to it.
You know what I mean?
Where it's like, there's always some new adventure where you guys have an opportunity to get
really, really creative.
Like you were kind enough to give me an advanced screening the Bitcoin episode.
And I won't, I'm not going to drop any spoilers in here because I'll be releasing this before
the episode comes out.
But you guys got really creative.
I texted you about a couple of things that just had Karl and I dying.
But like, I think that was it always the decision to have this kind of, you know, like metaverse
time traveling granny that was going to just as from like a creative standpoint, wow, this
gives us a lot of ways to get really wacky.
Yeah, I mean, we just tested, I think three different concepts by our audience at the
beginning.
And yeah, you mentioned Rick and Morty.
We're big fans of Rick and Morty, some of us on the team.
And we just chose sort of, we kind of put it before the audience.
They chose this concept and it does give us so much opportunity to go wherever we want
historically or, you know, crazy worlds or however it is.
So yeah, it's been, it's been very nice for us as creators.
What were the other two, if I can ask, what were the other two options that didn't make
the cut?
One of them was a dead grandpa, the ghost comes and visits kids.
Yeah, definitely a little bit, a little bit more shady.
And I think one was forgetting the other one, but I think there was one where there
was this sort of like Jumanji type kind of thing that the kids entered.
And I'm forgetting the other ideas.
Yeah, I'm sure they were, sure they were crazy.
And you said, even at that early stage, you said you put it to the audience.
So this was the crowdfunding audience basically that had said, we're going to support this.
So those are kind of the people that you gave the ability to sort of help craft the direction
of it.
Yeah, that's right.
And I think we even may have like hit up our email list of our ad agency too.
We're like, oh, we're thinking about making a show, which do I can, I'm trying to remember
how big it was.
I think it's pretty small at that point, but it was enough like statistical significance
that we knew, okay, there might be some links to this.
All right, let's try it.
And you mentioned earlier that you guys take a lot of feedback from the fans, from I think
parents and kids.
Is that baked into every episode?
Is that kind of, so you were talking about the writing process that it's six weeks or
whatever to write.
And then nine months, I think, to actually go through these various stages and obviously
the animation and everything else, all the recording.
Can you go into a little bit more detail about that?
And just, I mean, does that add in any sort of difficulty to the process to always be
workshopping with fans?
Or do you think that without that, you wouldn't have the success that you do?
I mean, I think we definitely offend more people.
If we, you know, a half of comedy is knowing where the line is and then dialing back a little
bit.
And so you always have to cross the line.
And yeah, the audience is sometimes just that canary in the coal mine, oh, this is totally
off base.
Like why would you do freedom or religion episode like that?
Or, you know, or it could be sometimes it's like, oh yeah, we want to make this joke.
We think it's really funny and we can have some people say they don't like it and that's
fine.
But sometimes we don't even know we've made an offensive joke.
And then at least we go in with eyes wide open.
We're like, okay, we can put our flag in the sand and stand by this joke or it's not worth
it to us.
Let's beat it.
And you know, there's a graveyard of jokes in every episode that we have to cut for whatever
reason.
So yeah, I'd say it definitely saves us a lot of heartache.
And I mean, in the end, if it doesn't pass an audience score from the Angel Guild, we
can't release an episode.
So it has to be, you know, have to stamp the approval of the fans.
And so it's better to do it early than later.
Like if studios actually did that and they ran like the Acolyte or whatever Disney show
buy fans, you know, months before they came out, like think of how much money they could
save from terrible, terrible flops, right?
That's actually such an interesting point because I think on its face, you think, oh
my gosh, this seems like so much extra work to always be running this by the fans to be
so accountable to the fans.
But then, you know, you see the dividends paid, so to speak, after you release it and your
fans, the people who are supporting the show consistently telling their friends about the
show through word of mouth, maybe monetarily donating some of their money to this, you
want to keep them happy.
And they're the ones who I would assume also they want the show, like they like the show
because it is what you have created.
They're not going to steer the show in a bad direction maliciously.
That's not, they want to keep watching a good show.
So it's kind of an interesting thing to think about just, yeah, Disney could have
saved a lot of money because they have seriously, they have pissed off a lot of fans.
That's for sure, like again and again and again.
Yeah, it almost seems like they're trying to do it at this point.
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
You know, another thing I wanted to get into a little bit with you is what I like about
the show so much is that, okay, you've got actually quite dense but approachable educational
material.
I'm literally teaching kids about Austrian economics, which so many adults clearly can't
seem to grasp or don't want to grasp.
But you're, I think at a larger level, our educational system in general right now seems
to be pretty messed up.
I'm someone who I was homeschooled until high school.
So I got a taste of both and really realized how messed up it was from a first hand experience
of having both.
And now I just, from the outside looking in, it appears that it's gotten so much worse
and there has become far less of a focus, if perhaps there ever was one, on teaching
kids how to think.
And it's all about teaching them what to think, what you're supposed to think, what makes
you a good little worker B.
And I mean, I'm just curious because you've got kids as well.
I don't know if you guys homeschool or do public school.
But I'm just curious, do you think that we're at this point where there is so much of a
concentration of power in state schools and the state indoctrination machines that like
a lot of kids are just out of luck because maybe either they're, they've been in school
for however long.
Of course, I know a lot of people who came out just fine from the public schooling system.
My lovely wife for one.
But I think that's the type of person who bucks back against the system versus being indoctrinated
by it.
And I'm just curious kind of what your thoughts are because you guys are educating kids like
this is an alternative form of education and real education.
Like if you watch every Tuttle Twins episode, you will have a pretty good grasp of Austrian
economics of sound money, of freedom.
I mean, you guys talk about the Constitution.
Like this seems to be more than kids are getting in school these days.
Where do you think we're at as a society?
And I mean, is there hope?
Yeah, I think there's absolutely hope.
I mean, I think, yeah, I'm a product of public school.
And I definitely didn't question the money.
I didn't question history.
I didn't question even what I was learning or why I was taught to think instead of, why
I was taught to memorize facts instead of learn how to think.
But I do think that there's been a mass kind of awakening.
I think COVID accelerated it so much.
We've seen that thousands and thousands of our fans where they learned, oh man, maybe
I can homeschool.
Or maybe if I'm not homeschooling, maybe I can supplement my kids' learning with other
things.
And I think there really is this mass distrust of institutions everywhere.
And out of that is coming a lot more personal responsibility and personal ownership and I
think the confidence.
We're just seeing it over and over and over again.
Parents are more confident.
And we're teaching them.
They're teaching their kids.
The kids are learning.
And so I see so much momentum on that front.
I think the emperor has no clothes and so many people just got flashed.
And they're just, their eyes wide open and seeing the light.
Yeah.
And hopefully the emperor stays away from the playgrounds while he's doing the flashing.
But I have a lot of hope as well.
And what, what I think a lot of people are realizing as they start to wake up is control
of education is one of the first things totalitarians must do.
They have to control speech and then they have to control education because if you control
speech, okay, then you can make anything that's against the party illegal.
If you control education, then you get away from needing to, to convince people by force
or by whatever else that this new system is good.
You can just teach them that it's good from the moment they leave their parents as early
as possible, preferably.
And then those parents and this from talking to countless people who grew up in communism
or escaped communism, that that's what they would do.
Like you would have the kids that are basically tattling on the parents for, you know, various
thought crimes.
I mean, it's like the, the night 1984 is was shockingly prescient.
I mean, he or well really got a lot of that absolutely correct.
And this, this is not theory.
This happened in the real world.
And so I think taking back the, taking back more of the power and giving it to parents
when it comes to being able to educate their kids and not to have them be, even if they
are in public school, because again, you know, you're a pretty great guy and you came out
of public school as well.
My wife, most people, almost everybody that I know, I'm a, I'm a weird anomaly, but even
I after being homeschooled was still susceptible to those same tricks.
But if you have things outside of that classroom at home, in the community, in clubs, at church,
whatever it may be that are helping you to think for yourself in a, and again, this is
back to a decentralized approach to that education versus the top down centralized.
And so I think I view things like independent media and Tuttle Twins and, and some of the
other programming on Angel.
This is a really great way for parents to take the power back, even if they are their
kids are in public schools.
This is something that for even just a few minutes a week can provide kind of a countervailing
force to that indoctrination.
And that's what you need, right?
Because like kids, kids are, kids are smart and their brains are sponges.
They just need to also be soaking up a lot of good stuff too.
And they're going to figure stuff out for themselves.
They're, you know, they're, they're not, they're not dumb.
They just haven't had a lot of experience yet, you know?
And clearly they're not dumb because you've got kids that love the Tuttle Twins, which
I think a lot of fiat economists won't, you know, they, they would get confused at the
episode.
So you're doing something right there.
Well, Walker, it's so interesting.
Like, you know, my son, I was talking to him the other day and he was talking about how
he doesn't want his piggy bank to be stolen by the inflation monster.
And so he's storing his money in gold and Bitcoin.
And like he told me, dad, people must know, they must know about Bitcoin.
So it, but, but it, it's amazing.
Like I have a conversation with him and then I have a conversation with like my uncle or
you know, grandpa, people who just their minds have been solidified, like ossified, right?
It's so much harder for them to catch up.
They have to unlearn so much.
And it really is like, if you want to change the world, you start with the kids.
And the difference with us is like, we're not, we're not hiding anything in the show.
Like what's in the show is on the package, right?
And that's kind of the difference between some of the other stuff, the other kids shows
is they'll, they'll kind of hide it from parents and sneak it in.
And we're like, you get what you get if you love it, like show the kids if not, don't worry
about it.
Um, the other thing I wanted to add was, um, like you were talking about this sort of these
parents reclaiming their power.
Um, we didn't know this till recently, but like in Germany, uh, it's been illegal to
homeschool your kids since the Nazis.
Yeah, I think it is shortly before the Nazis.
And so that's, that's wild that like other countries like Sweden, Germany, a few other
European nations, you cannot homeschool like the state, the state has a monopoly on the
education of your kids.
And so, uh, like parents, you have so much more power than you think, uh, and, and you
really, even if your kids are in public school, that's not the only well of knowledge that
they have to drink from.
Like you can expose them to so much.
And I mean, in the end, we want to teach the kids to think for themselves too.
We have an episode all about critical thinking, uh, and, uh, it's like, uh, it's called cracking
conspiracies.
And the tagline is, um, oh, what is it?
We always distill it down to like a tagline for each episode, uh, question all you hear,
critical thinking makes it clear.
So we were even like question, even question this show, like look it up.
As we're teaching kids about operation Northwoods, but like, you know, we want kids to question
everything and to learn how to think.
And I think that's the goal.
And I think more and more parents are just waking up, uh, to that knowledge.
But first of all, that's a awesome title and tagline there, but no, it is crazy.
I had only recently, like in the past couple of years found out about the, in Germany that
it's illegal.
And I think you're right.
It is from pre or from like the Nazis instilled the rule.
I'm pretty sure, uh, which is just insane that you would leave something like that in
place when it's very obvious, the kind of people who put that rule in place and why
they put it in place.
Like that's insane, but nobody afterwards was like, hmm, well, we're really trying to
make up for this, you know, a whole Nazi thing now as, as Germans, maybe we should get rid
of that insane rule that says, uh, children have to be indoctrinated, educated, excuse
me, by the state.
Like that's nuts.
Like, uh, we're, America has its flaws, but at least it's not illegal to homeschool your
kids.
You know, that's, that's, that is just nuts to me.
Oh, I could go off on Germany for a while.
I do want to talk a little bit about, okay, so, you know, you mentioned that the show
is, it's not a, it's not a Bitcoin show.
Bitcoin is part of some of these, these tools, these lessons that you're teaching kids and
teaching parents who should know them too.
But you have, you've now, you're about to release the second Bitcoin episode kind of
into the Bitcoin verse.
Can you talk about that a little bit without, you know, without giving me spoilers, but
just how you approach these Bitcoin episodes and, and fitting them into the rest of your
programming and, and what the response kind of was to the first time you did this, like,
was there any unexpected pushback maybe from some parents who were not, uh, not orange
pilled yet, but maybe they did become so later or how has been the experience integrating
Bitcoin content into the larger show?
Yeah, uh, that's a great question.
When we were first considering doing a Bitcoin show, an episode, um, Jeffrey Harmon, one of
the founders of Angel was really bullish on it.
He was like, just do it, put it out there.
This is the future.
You want to be able to say that you, you know, took a stand before everyone else did, right?
And, um, there was a definite risk at the start.
Like we had known that our audience would come along for the ride, that the money's
broken, like our inflation monster episode had done incredibly well before then.
Uh, we just weren't entirely sure if they'd come along for Bitcoin.
And so we thought, well, at least the audience will agree with half of this episode.
Right?
So, yeah, we put it out.
Um, and like I was saying before, just the Bitcoin community came out in droves.
Our audience loved it.
There were some, like a minority of people that were like, what?
Like you're doing a crypto episode.
Like, what about Sam Bankman free and all this other stuff.
But like the majority of them loved it and it ended up getting over 40 million views
across the app and social media.
And so it was like a clear market signal to us that, wow, uh, the world wants this and
our audience wants it.
So, uh, yeah, that was probably, I mean, the best marketing department is the Federal Reserve.
Cause I think they just, they just primed everyone for that episode.
Um, but, uh, yeah.
So, so that, that was so encouraging.
And so after that, like it just kept building and building.
We went to Pacific Bitcoin with Swan last year, um, and just started talking to more
people.
Um, I talked to, you know, uh, BTC sessions there and learned about his part in the Canadian
Trucker protest and just all the ideas from that conference sort of solidified in our
heads.
Um, and we thought, well, uh, like when we wrote the first episode, we based it off of
a small part of the Bitcoin standard.
And that like was a world changing book for us as writers.
And then we thought, man, we really need to hit like the rest of this book.
And so I think that's been the vision.
Like let's do this episode that's going to come out, um, all about, you know, Bitcoin
versus controlled money or CBDCs.
And, uh, and then just to see the downstream effects of what happens when somebody controls
the money versus an uncontrolled or decentralized money like Bitcoin.
And then I think if, if, if this episode does well and the audience loves it, um, we're
going to charge forward.
And honestly, I would love to do a time preference of money episode and kind of kind of finish
it off with a good trilogy and, and, and distill the Bitcoin standard that, that not, you know,
everyone's going to read into three cartoon episodes that I think a lot more people can
are going to read.
So, um, yeah, but it's very much listen to the audience.
And if they want more, we're going to make more.
That's, that's, that's awesome.
And, you know, I'm, I'm curious what, uh, slight digression here, but what was your
personal Bitcoin journey?
Like when did you come around to Bitcoin?
Uh, was this part of a larger journey to kind of down the Austrian economics rabbit hole?
Or how did, how did you get to be a, a Bitcoiner?
Yeah.
I mean, for me, so I graduated, joined Harmer Brothers, this ad agency, uh, and, um, had
never invested in anything.
Uh, and I just asked my coworker, yeah, what do I invest in?
He's like, uh, I just put some money into Bitcoin and Ethereum.
And so it was very much like, I had no idea what they were, but like before I even started
investing in the S&P 500, it was like 2016, I just started putting, you know, $50 here,
$50 there.
I had no idea what it was.
Uh, and then I think like most people, you know, went through the ups and downs of the,
of the cycles, uh, lost some money on, on crap coins and, uh, and then yeah, just, uh,
read the Bitcoin standard and that's what really solidified it for me.
And yeah, I just got out of everything about Bitcoin and kind of, yeah, I went down to
Bitcoin rabbit hole.
So yeah, but it, it, it definitely has been, you know, I think like everyone, a process
and just knowing what it is by learning what other things aren't.
Well said.
And I think it's whoever that coworker was that was like, Hey, you should check this
out.
That's, that's a good coworker.
Um, yeah.
So, ironically dude, he got in at the Ethereum, like, uh, pre-sale.
And he just travels the world.
So I'm not even sure if he's a Bitcoin maxi now, but, uh, he didn't need to be, he just,
he did so well with, with the early Ethereum stuff.
So, but, uh, yeah, he, he just travels for his life now.
So, um, but I love what I'm doing.
Yeah.
Well, you know, uh, it's nice to be part of a pre-mine, I guess.
Uh, a very centrally controlled pre-mine.
And, and, you know, speak of centrally controlled.
So you did mention that, uh, in this upcoming episode, again, I don't want to give any spoilers,
but you are talking about Bitcoin versus, you know, decentralized money versus centralized
money.
And obviously the ultimate embodiment of that is a central bank digital currency.
Did you, as you were going to this episode, you know, you were going to make another Bitcoin
episode.
Did you know for sure you wanted to talk about CBDCs?
Cause I think this is something that even a lot of, clearly a lot of adults are not
even paying attention to, but like it can be a fairly heavy topic.
Uh, and it's a very important topic though.
So did you know that you wanted to like, okay, we, we need to talk about CBDCs here.
Like this is, this is information that needs to get out there now.
Or was there a little back and forth about, okay, maybe there's, you know, we can compare
it just to regular fiat, you know, how did that happen?
Yeah, just listening, we just were listening to the conversation.
Um, yeah, I mean, in, in doing the research on the episode, we always do hours and hours
and hours of research, like just learning more and more about CBDCs, uh, ourselves was
just very frightening.
Um, just the idea of expiring money, like your money could expire, use it or lose it
sort of stuff.
It's like, it's happening.
And what was mind boggling to us in the research process was that the majority of the nations
in the world are considering CBDCs.
You know, they're either piloting them or they're, they're researching them.
You know, we say we're not in, in, I don't know, there could be a separate conversation
of well, isn't tether, couldn't it just be co-opted like a CBDC and maybe it can be right.
Uh, but, uh, yeah, just resisting this as much as possible and getting it in front of
freedom-minded people and parents, uh, was a big goal for us.
Like, I think there was also just, I mean, Trump's mentioned it a couple of times on
the campaign trail and just gotten, uh, like a roar from the audience.
Like, I'll make sure we never make a CBDC.
So I think people are waking up to it.
It's not quite as, um, you know, uh, out of sight, out of mind as I think the central
banks would like us to believe, um, and even to the point where now some central banks
are just saying, no, it's the digital euro.
It's not a CBDC, right?
Like, let's rebrand.
Like, I think we've done such a good job at calling it what it is, um, that, uh, yeah,
I just think it was just feeling like the right time for us.
Like, let's, let's, let's put a flag in the sand and call it what it is.
And then, um, at least somebody can share this around.
And I think of the episode, it's always tough to say what's going to go viral of the clips,
but I think, I think the CBDC section should have some legs on it and we should be able
to get it to millions of people and just, just kind of break it down in a way that they
can see.
Yeah, maybe this isn't, this isn't the best.
I hope it does.
And I will personally, uh, share the heck out of it.
Uh, you know, I think that first, I just, I love what you guys are doing because I think
that it's filling like a very big void that's out there.
And I hope there are more people who look at what you all are doing with Tuttle Twins
and say, oh, you know what?
Like I care about kids.
I have kids myself, uh, or maybe I want to have kids and I want there to be something
out there that's for them.
We need more of this type of programming.
Have you, have you guys thought about, you know, uh, branching into, you know, I'm sure
you're very busy with just the one, but have you, you know, thought about or, or have people
approached you about like, okay, we need, you know, a whole expansion of this.
Like let's, let's kind of explode this type of content out there.
Take different approaches to it.
Tailor to different age ranges, but is, I mean, or is the focus right now just like,
okay, let's get the next episode out.
Nose to the ground is going, let's make it happen.
Cause I'm sure you're quite busy with just that.
Yeah.
I mean, Walker, honestly, I wish I would have like a 20 year vision of an empire to build.
But yeah, very much, very much just focused on, I mean, I could say the next season, like
what are we going to make for the next season?
What are we going to do?
So yeah, what I would say is like, there's so much room in the space.
Like there's so much hunger for this type of content.
And so if there's anyone listening that has an idea for a show or, or, or some other way,
like to reach kids, families, um, more power to you, reach out to Angel.
They're like-minded people, they're bit coiners.
And, um, uh, yeah, I think, I think, yeah, the, the ocean is wide and we need a ton more
of this content.
What I think is kind of incredible is it seems to me that this has the potential to be a
sly, roundabout way of actually getting more parents on board with some of these concepts.
Like if they're, if their kids discover the show, their friends talk to them about it,
they start watching it.
This almost becomes a Trojan horse for educating the parents.
Like, cause you want to know what your kids are watching, uh, are you, or you should at
least, you know, you should care about that.
But I'm wondering if you guys have had anybody reach out that's, you know, maybe they didn't
know about the show first, their kids started watching their kids asked to watch it and
then has been a bit of a, like a personal journey for them.
Or is it a lot of parents saying, okay, I know that this is quality educational content
that I can deliver to my kids.
Is it usually kind of that way as a pusher?
Is there some of a, a poll that ends up happening there too?
Yeah, that's a great question.
We've had the occasional poll of kids introducing it to their parents, but I'd say that's not
our preferred way, you know, to get this.
Fair enough.
It's like, that's, that's, that's like general Hollywood, you know, mom, dad, uh, you know,
I learned about the expert.
What?
That's kind of shocking for parents if, if they're not aligned.
So I would say, um, I'm sure we have, and we've definitely had moments where parents
are like, you know, I just had it on in the background.
And suddenly I'm like laughing along and suddenly I'm like questioning, uh, you know, the education
system or questioning whatever it is, like, uh, subsidies or, um, so like, I would say
like, yeah, half our job is to empower parents with education.
And we see that time and time again, we've had people be like, um, this husband was like,
you know, I've been trying to tell my wife about Bitcoin for years and you guys did it
in 20 minutes.
Like, there's a way that orange pill adults with this, there's a way to, to make people,
you know, they think they understand what freedom or religion or freedom of speech is,
but, um, sometimes they don't know it as deeply as they should.
And I don't think a lot of us do, right?
And so, uh, getting a refresher with an episode is, is great.
And it's a non-threatening way and it's a way to, to feel empowered to teach your kids
and then defend what you believe.
So yeah, I'd say that's the main goal is it's get it to parents who will get it to kids.
But you know, kids are going to find it too sometimes.
So.
No, very, very true.
Kids are, kids are inquisitive is what I'm noticing now.
And mine, uh, Carl and my son doesn't even talk yet.
And he's very inquisitive about absolutely everything.
Uh, so, you know, seal up those, those outlets.
Um, but, you know, what, one thing you mentioned there just about kind of this non-threatening
way to bring in this education, I think first of all, the writing of the show is outstanding.
Like it's really clever.
Uh, you, you sneak in all sorts of little things.
Again, you know, jokes that are kind of going to go over the kids heads, but are great for
the parents.
Maybe it's too deep of a historical reference for the kid to get yet, but it's great for
the parents.
But there, there's so much of that that I see in the show.
But the big thing that I see is just the humor that's throughout all of it.
Uh, and you know, it's, you know, you got a little bit of, of, of slapstick humor in
there.
Of course it's, it's a cartoon, but it's also a lot of just, uh, there's a lot of nuance
tumor that can still apply, you know, and kids can find funny, but parents like myself will
as well.
Do you think that humor is kind of, is it a necessary part of a show like this?
Do we, so much of this world is, is very serious and so much of the content out there, uh, not
so much for kids, but at least for adults, it's just really dry and not very approachable.
Do you guys kind of, is humor, do you try to lead with that in the episodes?
Do you find that that is really an effective way to make sure you get that foot in the
door and get that attention and then, yeah, build the message around the humor or how
do you approach that?
Yeah.
I mean, humor is the best.
You put down defenses and you just can internalize so much better.
It's the, it's the candy coating on the pill, right?
And, uh, and people just internalize it way better.
Like you look at the mass media today, uh, millions more people get their media from,
their news from comedians than they do from like the, the nightly news, right?
Like people want to laugh while they're learning.
And, um, you know, you look at like even like examples of dictatorships like Pinochet and
in Chile, uh, the thing that toppled him was actually like a comedy show that like started
to like make fun of him and like really deliver truth to the people through, through comedy.
And so it really, like, I think dictators and, uh, governments, they, if they're doing
shady things, they hate, they hate comedy because it's the perfect vector, uh, for,
for just revealing how ridiculous they are.
Um, and yeah, I think just people, they don't want to learn.
They want to be entertained and if they, uh, let me rephrase it.
People want to learn.
They just don't want to be bored, right?
And so if they are learning in a fun way, um, that, that's not boring, um, they're gonna
eat it up.
So yeah, I'd say it's definitely like a very key part of, of what has made the show work
so far.
What's the best piece of feedback you've gotten from parents where you guys were like, okay,
we're really doing something that matters here.
Like what, was there a moment where maybe even early on where you started getting some
feedback that was like, oh wow, like we've tapped into something here.
We've filled, we've filled a void.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Just dozens and dozens and dozens of stories.
Kids going to Costco and being like, the inflation monster is hurting us, mommy.
Look at the prices.
They're going up, right?
And kids at Thanksgiving dinner tables, schooling their aunts and uncles on politics and on,
on economic policy, uh, we've had, uh, you know, kids talk about the golden rule in,
in foreign policy.
They just bring it up with their parents.
Like the badge you do blows right back at you, you know, like think of these lessons,
um, if they can be internalized.
We've had, we've had kids watching the, the civil disobedience episode with Harriet Tubman,
uh, refused to wear masks at school and get in trouble for it and go to the principal's
office.
We had a kid, uh, had a Gadsden flag on his backpack and he stood up for what he believed
in that the teacher called it racist or something.
Like she had no clue what it was.
And he went to the principal's office.
He was taken out of school and this is what he learned from Tuttle Twins.
So like the, it's just, yeah, dozens of stories of these kids being empowered by knowledge
and by truths and then being brave enough to apply it in the real world.
So yeah, it's been very humbling.
I mean, it's amazing how clearly sticky the messages are when you guys are presenting them
in this way.
Like, I mean, I love the story about Costco and the inflation monster.
I mean, that's, that's just incredible.
But like it's something that they, they remembered, right?
They, it really stuck with them.
They associated it with that and then went out into the real world away from the TV and
identified that, oh, look, like this is so bad.
What the inflation monster is doing to us.
I mean, that, like, I don't know, that's, that's beautiful.
Like that's what you want though, right?
Cause they're actively looking out in the real world thinking now for themselves, but
applying these lessons.
And I like, it gives me hope that the kids are going to be all right.
You know?
Yeah.
I feel like the kids that are watching Total Twins are like years and years ahead of anywhere
I was at that age.
And yeah, it gives me a ton of hope for the future.
And I absolutely love it.
Just speaking of the future a little bit.
So can you, can you talk at all, are there some episodes that you guys have really been
like waiting to do or wanting to do that are kind of on your list where you're like, we,
we really need to, to do an episode on this.
Are there any of those that you guys are like really holding out for psych to make in the
future, but you know, haven't been produced yet?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
You know, I don't think we could ever have done a Bitcoin episode in season one.
We needed to gain trust before we kind of led them down the rabbit hole, if you will.
And there are more episodes that, that we have coming for season four, season three, that
we're super excited about.
And now that we kind of have the trust in, of the audience, we can do them.
And now that we're big enough, we have, we're talking to kind of household names that people
we can't announce yet, but people who will be starring in season four of Tuttle's Winds
and it's super exciting.
So some of the episodes were that are on the docket.
We want to do one on the medical industrial complex, not sponsored by Pfizer.
Amazing.
We want to do one on, yeah, on like the proper role of charity, how, you know, it's not just
giving a man a fish, it's teaching them to fish and also ripping down the walls around
the ocean.
All right.
And we're going to do one on the military industrial complex that comes out this season.
And so kind of break that down in a way, it's like a school cafeteria fights and stuff.
And kids can understand that when these cafeteria fights keep happening, it's like the food
suppliers that are doing really well, right?
And then, yeah, I think I mentioned this one before, but yeah, the overpopulation myth
episode is going to be our season premiere for season four and just like teaching kids,
like we're grateful you're here.
You provide more abundance for everyone.
And for every kid born, there could be an Elon Musk, there could be a Satoshi that makes
the world more abundant for everyone.
And even despite the rampant government theft through inflation, like the world is getting
more abundant.
And I think that's harder for someone who's stuck in the rat race to see, but we're living
like kings compared to kings centuries ago.
And so, yeah, it really is such a hopeful message.
And there's so much anti-humanist garbage out there that teach kids to feel guilty for
being alive.
And I'm just excited to get that out there too.
I mean, that's a beautiful message to put out there.
So, I mean, you got medical industrial complex, military industrial complex, overpopulation,
Bitcoin, CBDCs, Austrian economics, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the Constitution
more broadly, subsidies explained by Mises.
I mean, this is quite a curriculum you guys are putting together here.
Like this, I mean-
You're making it boring.
Walker.
No, I know.
I know.
Okay.
Sorry, sorry.
But that's incredible.
This is a resource now that parents have, that kids have to be able to go and like, honestly,
these things, because you're breaking them down for kids, it's like these explanations
are like, that's what most adults need to hear something broken down as too.
You know what I mean?
It's not that it needs to be dumbed down for kids.
It needs to be simplified for anyone to be able to understand it quickly.
And I don't know, I just, I think that that's amazing.
And again, for anyone who has not yet checked out Tuttle Twins, please do, because I guarantee
you will learn something and you will laugh.
And if you have kids, you know, you've got now something that's really productive for
them to watch and very enriching.
And you know, on another question, I want to be conscious of your time here too, but
do you have, like, is there like a big takeaway that you want kids to get?
Like, is there a lesson that you hope they come away from watching Tuttle Twins?
Like more broadly, you know, so yeah, you've got inflation, you've got these different
individual lessons, but is there a more broad lesson that you hope that kids come away with?
Yeah.
I would say be the change you want to see in the world.
Knowledge empowers you.
And this knowledge will make you very successful.
Be kind to others, you know, respect their rights.
And yeah, like you can change the world with the things that you're learning and also question
the show.
Question everything.
Think for yourself.
It's a very don't trust verify ethos if I do say so myself.
I love that.
And is there anything we didn't cover here today that you want to get out there, also
give you a chance to send people to all of your sites and everything.
I'll link in the show notes.
But is there anything that you wanted to get into that we didn't get a chance to yet?
I think just like we'll be debuting this episode for our Bitcoin sequel episode.
It's called the Bitcoin Bash and Corrupted Cash.
And it will come out next Thursday.
And so yeah, we'll be releasing it wide on every social media platform.
It's actually the only episode in season three that we got permission to go outside of the
Angel app.
So it's going to be available on every platform.
And yeah, give it a watch.
See if you agree with it.
And if you do, share it with your kids.
And then yeah, I'd say we're always listening.
So like join our email list, like give us feedback if you like.
And then you can watch seasons one and two of the show for free.
Just go to angel.com.tuttle twins or download the Angel app.
And then if you want to help support the show and see the latest season, season three, you
can join the Angel Guild where you'll get a vote on every episode.
You get a vote on movies, shows, things like that.
And kind of be one of those gatekeepers that controls the future of at least the entertainment
world for Angel.
So yeah, that's what I'd say.
And yeah, man, always a pleasure to talk to you, Walker.
I love this podcast.
I've been a long time lurker.
So keep doing it.
You're doing it, man.
That means a lot.
And I've got another question for you that is totally unrelated.
I usually, I like to ask people if they're reading anything right now that they'd recommend.
But maybe to you, I'd also ask either are you reading anything you'd recommend or are
you and your kids reading anything that you would recommend to parents?
Yeah, I'll start with mine.
So I'm reading Fiat Food.
That's been really eye-opening and splitting my mind on the other side.
I'm reading this book called Super Abundance.
It's actually right here.
So it's kind of the flip side of, yeah, like the world is getting much more abundant.
And so it's kind of tearing my mind in two.
How are we getting forward yet?
We're abundant too.
But yeah, so I would recommend honestly reading both books, phenomenal books.
And I'm like, yeah, with my kids, gosh, we're just reading The Hobbit right now.
And that's about it.
Besides, you know, we make each of the episodes of Tuttle Toins into like little graphic novels.
So we'll read those too and actually probably more than we watch the show.
But yeah, I'd say that and then I just look out for like hidden messages in other kids'
books.
Have you read Rainbow Fish, man?
It's been so many years since I read Rainbow Fish.
That is like a communist bunch.
Not since I was a kid, but now I'm going to have to go back.
Are they sneaking some commie knowledge in there?
It's all about, you know, you have way more sparkly fins than you need and got to share
them with everyone.
So everyone's special.
Anyways, yeah.
I need to go back and read this now.
Oh my God.
I love it.
And now I'm going to have to go.
I think we might have it for my son in our little book box up there.
So I'm going to have to go check out if they snuck in that commie propaganda in there.
But Johnny, this is really a treat.
Angel.com for people.
The Tuttle Toins website specifically is for the TV show is, what's that one?
Just so I can, if anyone's listening.
Angel.com slash Tuttle Toins.
Okay, awesome.
Or you could honestly just Google Tuttle Toins show and you'll find us.
Google has not suppressed your search results yet for dealing out.
Yeah.
Any, any, have you guys done a like a online censorship slash conglomerate like Google,
you know, mega corp conglomerate type episode yet?
I'm trying to remember.
We have one on digital privacy that just came out last month with a guest star that may
or may not be Edward Snowden, but it's not, but it sounds like him and it's anonymous.
We tried to get Edward on the podcast, he's just hard to get a hold of for some reason.
Yeah, I can't imagine why.
Or on the show.
So yeah, but, but I mean, I think we will, we will go into big tech, I think a little
bit later, but I mean, that's really just like, okay, look at the government and digital
companies siphoning your data and protect yourself online and yeah, stuff like that.
Yeah, that's, you know, the nice thing about this crazy clown world that we live in is
that it gives a lot of content ideas to you guys.
So you know, I guess that's, that's, that's a great benefit there.
That's right.
Well, Jay, thanks so much for your time.
This was really enjoyable.
I'm going to get this out to folks in either possibly tonight, depending on how soon my
lovely wife and son go to bed, but we'll see.
But thank you again.
Really appreciate your time.
This was a pleasure and thanks for everything you guys are doing with the show.
I really enjoy it.
I know a lot of other adults really enjoy it and Bitcoiners and looking forward to when
my son is old enough that he can start to understand it a little more.
That's awesome.
Thanks so much for having me, Walker.
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