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Truth is, is we don't have any power anymore.

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We live inside of an actual concentration camp right now.

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This whole place is designed to make us spiritually sick and suffer

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so that, like, we become easy to exploit and steal and abuse.

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Either one of these extremes that we pick between,

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we're going to get this surveillance, police state, social credit score system.

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The incredible instance of the World Cup in the U.S.,

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where you have all of these, mainly like Europeans,

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But like coming here and being like, holy shit, wait a minute.

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Maybe everything I've been told about America isn't true.

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Like no shit.

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Maybe there's a reason that all of your highest achieving people have been trying to come here.

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The Euros have this totally wrong perception of us that like they think that we're all like, I don't know, like we got guns all the time and stuff.

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And it's like, I don't know where they get this idea.

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It doesn't make sense to me.

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AI is communism.

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Like, I now have a methodology of cooling that I can steal any and all knowledge in the human corpus today.

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Bitcoin's the end of the AI story because, like, we figured out how to secure information that's extremely valuable.

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To me, when I really understood that, like, that was the fundamental rescue from nihilism.

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This is a spiritual battle between good and evil.

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When you fear God, you only have to fear one thing.

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But when you don't fear God, you have to fear everything.

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I haven't been around as long as you guys.

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You guys have seen more ups and downs of this.

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But infighting seems to follow price.

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We create a lot of villains, I think, when number no go up,

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And then when number do go up, everyone's all hunky-dory.

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And I don't know.

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I guess we humans are like, we are emotional creatures at the end of the day.

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It's so, you know, in fact, it's become a signal.

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I think many people who've been in for a long time, we look for that infighting as a signal for like,

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are we getting near a bottom?

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Is it getting close?

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Usually bottoms are near when people are like, they finally drop the, you know, pretensions.

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And they're just like, I don't fucking like this guy.

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Fuck him.

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You know?

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And then you're like, oh, interesting.

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We might be getting close to a bottom.

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I don't know.

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You know, it's like you kind of use it as a way to feel it out.

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But, yeah, I mean, it's like I think it's very, you know, it's just very difficult.

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Like it's hodling is very difficult and it hurts.

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It's painful.

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You know, I mean, like we lost sixty eight thousand dollars a coin.

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okay and fucking run it back five years we were selling i was drinking champagne to 68 000 a coin

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i felt like i could do i was untouchable i felt like i could do no wrong i felt like i farted

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fucking rainbows dude like it was like amazing you know and uh now we like we are down that much

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per coin and it's like fuck the nominal starts to really you this this is like i've said this many

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times like hodling actually gets harder as you go it doesn't get easier people think it gets easier

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kind of weird you're richer no it gets harder because the the sums of money that you're losing

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on paper are um you know more than you could ever gain in a lifetime right like like you can't work

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your way back into gaining this money you and it just went away and you're like fuck what am i gonna

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to do and then and you start to identify you get your identity gets wrapped up in it you know because

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because it's so hard during the bear market during the bear cycles you know you're like i'm a loser

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i'm an idiot maybe i'm wrong maybe my fucking aunt is right she's a bitch fuck her but maybe she's

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right no and like fuck man what if i what if what if i'm gonna lose all my money dude shit and then

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the bull market comes around you're like oh no dude i'm right dude i'm right everyone else is wrong

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fuck you aunt joan bitch fuck you right and then you get you get wrapped up in the identity of

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being the smart right guy and then you get that for about a year and then it's like

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back to being wrong again and then just whipsawing back and forth between the two things over and

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over again do you have an aunt joan that's gonna listen to this and be like what's he saying

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Why would he say that?

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There are a bunch of boomer women in the Midwest who don't enjoy my presence at family gatherings anymore.

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Let's say that.

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Let's say that.

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None of their names are Joan, though.

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Are there Midwest boomer women that like you?

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I don't know.

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Maybe some of the fans of Walker's show, but not anybody who's genetically related to me.

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Let's say that.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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Is it because you were right about things?

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Could that be why?

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More of it is like COVID.

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To be serious, it's like COVID fall off.

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You know, like.

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Like there was a lot of, you know, bullshit during that time.

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And then it was like, you need to apologize.

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And it was like, yeah, I don't think I will though.

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So.

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Here we are.

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What if I just didn't?

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What if I just didn't?

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Wait, you need to apologize?

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Yeah.

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You know.

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But was it wrong?

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wrong one thing that happened during covid was i lost my um uh i i i stopped extending politeness

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to people who didn't deserve politeness and that was taken wrong by a lot of people and i kind of

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felt like good because you don't deserve politeness when you're not being fucking polite you're being

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fucking rude as shit you know i was telling this story in osu the other day but i was at i was at

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covid it was during cove and you remember they had like markings in the grocery store they'd like

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like it'd be like one-way aisles in the grocery store weird stickers on the floor and it was like

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unclear where you stood and what was supposed whatever so i'm standing in the wrong place i've

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got a cart full of food there's probably four hundred dollars five hundred dollars worth of

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food in this cart and it's like packed to the brim and the guy comes up to me he's just real

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shitty and he's like you know sir excuse excuse you they always do that thing excuse you sir

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excuse you you're in the wrong line like that and i was just like okay word and i shoved the

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card at him and i was like here you go and he was like um uh you don't you don't want your items

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anymore sir like he realized he was gonna have to put them all back and i was like nah they're

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yours now dude see you later and i was fucking and so i started doing that more and more of like

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i i developed this technique where i just ignore people like in public if you're if you're sir

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excuse you behind the yellow line i just go like this

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anyway what do they call that they call that the like the not that you're gen z obviously we're

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all millennials do they call that there's like a term for that like the gen z stare or something

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like just like yeah yeah maybe i did adopt the gen z stare i'm honorary they've got some some

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good things going for them in that regard i think like i think that they're you know like i have some

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hope actually like for Gen Z but I've been very I've been very impressed by Gen Z lately as of

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late me too yeah me too yeah what uh what impressive things have I'm I I don't interact

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with them enough although the there's a couple homies I hang out with that are pretty cool

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you know how Jen you know how millennials we went through this like long period of um

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unbrainwashing ourselves and it probably took like 10 years it probably was the last 10 years

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like from 2016 to 2026, where we kind of like, just both some of us, not all of I mean, some

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people are still stuck in the brainwashing. But some of us like, we're like, yeah, a lot of that

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shit they told me was just not true. I think Gen Z is starting out at that place. And so when you

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talk to like a 22 year old Gen Z guy, who's like, nah, dog is fucking that's bullshit, dog Christ,

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Christ is king, motherfucker. You're just like, yeah, this guy's fucking he's on it in a way that

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I was not, you know, 10 years ago at his age, right?

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So I think that's the interesting thing about them.

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I think they sampled the extremeness

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that sort of like is the normie narrative.

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And I think you hit on a good point there of that,

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like, I think those of us that are

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and would identify ourselves as Bitcoiners,

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like that was a process of de-brainwashing ourselves

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from fiat world.

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And then like that helped create an exposure of like,

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oh like is it just money or is it also like medicine is it also spirituality like and and

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you sort of realize like oh like this whole place is designed to make us spiritually sick and suffer

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so like we become easy to exploit and steal and abuse you know i'm like it's one of the things of

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like i'm always really shocked at the interesting of the of the dialogue of uh like i was at a party

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the other weekend and our friend pointed out they're like oh like they're like this is really

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interesting the uh conformity of diversity here like everyone's presenting this really diverse

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way of being but a completely homogenized to everybody in a way that like there was no

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discernible difference between everybody but in like it's the same way of like like peace and love

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and like let's all love everybody all the time no matter what and who they are and it's like

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it turns out that this actually deprives us of like any meaningful metric of like what love

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actually is and i don't know it's it's really sad to see how people lap up that dialogue you know

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like it's like in my personal life i've seen again and again that i'll get to a place with

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particular people of it's like hey like let's question some stuff you know like like like a lot

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of times it's their world views like i'm totally open to questioning mine too but i find that

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the first response is deep offense it's not like that's different like let's look at it's like

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how dare you like how could you possibly have a worldview like that and it's like how could you not

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you know like these people these people literally had you inject yourself with an experimental

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medication under the guise that like it was safe when in 1985 we passed laws specifically around

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the inability for this to be safe so like which which one is it here and it's instead of it being

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like whoa that's interesting let's think it's like you you want to endanger other people like

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you're not part of the community it's like what fucking community you don't even understand what

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the term community even means because it's the ability to actually disagree with your fucking

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neighbor and realize they're still your neighbor they're not some enemy class to be shamed

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so i don't know it's i oscillate a lot between these positions of feeling radically hopeful

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because of the kind of technology we have

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and the fact that there are a number of minds out there

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that are radically awake.

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But at the same time,

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it's hard being like in the epicenter of the Bay Area

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where like trying to meet anybody

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that has these alternative viewpoints.

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It's like we have to smoke our cigarettes

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like 300 feet from the door

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and like in hushed whispers being like,

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hey, like I actually don't think about hating Trump

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every single day.

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and I'm like, fucking keep your voice down, man.

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Like, yeah, like I didn't think about him this morning either,

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but then my mom yelled at me because, you know,

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I was coming out of the basement to get some of my slop this morning

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and, you know, Trump derangement syndrome.

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And it's like, I don't know.

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It's difficult for me to find my way in this world,

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but I'm happy that I found my little island of people

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that feels like a real community.

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Amen to that.

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And also a thing you mentioned about just like this, you know, like the whole like kumbaya, like we just have to like love everybody.

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And the fact that like degrades the actual like what real love is.

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And the other part to that is that like it's all very performative, right?

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It's not actually real.

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Like these are the same people who would gladly vote for you to go to the gulag or not even vote.

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They would develop.

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They would be by committee, you know, be gulag by committee, right?

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You need more committees.

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and like that that's i think the really insidious part of even just the larger larger kind of like

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uh zeitgeist around socialism right now which is just you know stepping stone to communism

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essentially but we can call it socialism or democratic socialism maybe we'll talk about

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national socialism later uh but you know like this this idea that they they purport themselves

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as these like well we're the empathetic ones and we we just we care so deeply about everyone which

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is why you know if you don care at the same depth that we do about other people I mean just hard for us to understand because we just we care we love everyone we care about everyone so much But also if you dare to question the orthodoxy we will absolutely eviscerate you and you are the most evil person We will cheer on your death and dance on your grave Like that like that this this is literally what we saw with with with Charlie Kirk

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right?

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And that was one of the last conversations we all had together, I think was, maybe we

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had one in between there, but either way, like you just saw that on full display.

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Like there was no empathy involved.

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There was no, it was the, the immediate reaction of, well, you know, he got what he, you know,

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maybe he shouldn't have been talking that way and then he wouldn't have got what was his comeuppance

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and you're just like oh my god you so this is all fake this is all completely fake you have zero

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empathy whatsoever this is a performative empathy that you engage in in order to make yourself

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somehow feel holier than thou and morally superior and then to justify any of the heinous things that

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you inevitably will justify and i think that's like this fundamental divide that we have right

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now where it's like people that actually give a shit about other people within their tribe which

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is like as much of a shit as you can give about other people right and then like the people who

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pretend to care about like literally everyone because they're so empathetic but in reality like

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they if you disagree with them they will lead you to the gulag themselves you know it's just like

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it's all just really fake I guess is my issue there there's this quote I think it might be from

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C.S. Lewis the screw tape letters or something like that and it's like about like a demon being

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like, how would I like, you know, destroy man or whatever. I can't remember the exact quote.

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Somebody, somebody will have it in the comments, I'm sure. But it basically is like,

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yeah, I would take all their love and caring and empathy. And I would, you know, push it as far

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away from them as I possibly could. So that they had this sort of love for the all, which is really

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a love for nobody. And then their resentment and bitterness and hatred, I would reserve for the

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people closest to them. So I would take all of the good things about a person that, you know,

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is internal to a person. And then I would project them outwards. And I would take all the bad things

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that run through the heart of a person, all the malice, and I would keep it in the closed circle

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next to those people. Because when you are projecting all your love and caring and empathy,

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fucking oat milk bitch i said oat milk get it fucking right free palestine though free palestine

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Yeah, I think the one that I find interesting is that, like, I think all of this comes from just a deep, deep stupidity and ignorance of the world.

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Like most of these people talking about Palestine before October 8th, like they couldn't have found it on a fucking map.

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Most of them today couldn't tell you what countries actually border Palestine.

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In addition to like they don't understand the origin of the conflict or the reasoning behind it.

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And also like, you know, I share with the sentiment.

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I've wanted Palestine's freedom for a long time for various reasons.

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But the way that people allow for themselves to get hijacked into these dialogues, it's like.

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I don't know, like, if we really give a fuck that much, like, why isn't there, like, a larger dialogue about the civil war in the Congo right now?

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You know, or, like, maybe the conflict going on in Yemen.

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I don't know.

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It's just, like, and I find it really interesting that, like, I'm the asshole when I point out these things, which, fair, like, maybe it is an asshole thing to do.

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uh but i've just found that like there's this real uh i don't know like critical thinking

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and like being able to disagree with somebody and like try to have a narrative about it like that

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that's almost like the ultimate sin now is like trying to sit down with somebody that you think

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has a different viewpoint and like try to understand them um yeah and frankly like i'm

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becoming pretty jaded because like it's just caused a lot of pain in my personal life uh and

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And I've just kind of learned that like you have to do like the.

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I think it was when we were in Vegas, we were talking with Curtis Yarvin and he kind of pointed out that like there's this whole thing you have to do now with people to kind of dance around to see like if you actually have the same viewpoints.

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And like if you can if you can say some of your truths out loud, that would be fundamentally sinful around other people.

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And it's just it's a weird time to live within because like more and more like.

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Like I find it really interesting that like the narrative of me saying like I believe that Americans should take priority in America.

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Like I think before we pay for any, you know, legal or illegal migrants that like we should actually take care of Americans first.

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And like I live in California, like where I have to pay for health care.

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But like if I came over the border illegally, you just get free health care.

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And I just don't understand, like, how do you do that and not create a radical backlash that pretty much ends up in fascism?

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Because, like, more and more I'm recognizing from people, they're, like, fucking sick of this bullshit.

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And they're getting to a place of being like, look, like, I don't, you know, the Guatemalan immigrants that came here from dystopian, like, from a hellacious place, like, I have empathy for them.

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But I don't understand why I have to pay for the wrongs that happen to them.

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And meanwhile, I get fucked over by my own state.

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And not only that, like, I'm a piece of shit because I'm a man.

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So it means that, like, I can't bring value to anything in California.

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Because I'm white, it means I need to sit down and shut the fuck up anytime that I have an opinion.

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And meanwhile, if I have thoughts that, like, you know, like, maybe I shouldn't participate in this.

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or maybe I don't like the Democratic governor that's wasted billions of dollars and produced nothing.

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I'm somehow now a racist Nazi piece of shit.

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And frankly, I'm okay with that at this point in time.

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Like if I have to be a racist Nazi piece of shit just to be myself and be true,

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I would rather have that be true and actually be able to go to my children and be like,

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hey, you should be proud of who you are.

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You should be proud of the country that you live in and the rights that we have

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and the fact that we can say things that are different from other people

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and we won't get thrown in a jail cell.

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I think that's a beautiful and amazing thing.

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I sure as fuck can't do that in any Islamic countries

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as far as I know.

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And frankly, it seems like in Europe as well,

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even with all of the greatness of the West there,

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it seems like you say anything that aligns with truth

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that you're going to get arrested.

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But if you want to gang rape some little girls,

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it's just a cultural difference.

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That's all.

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We have to accept where they're at coming into our culture.

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But meanwhile, you don't see Scottish people

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and fucking trying to get elected mayor in places like Hattrack and places like that.

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Yeah, I think that is like the whole.

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Oh, go ahead.

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I was just going to say we've talked about this several times on the podcast, on this particular podcast about like the race to Hitler.

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And, you know, sort of there's this encroaching communism and encroaching fascism.

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And more and more people are being put to a decision for all their all their chips.

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And do you want to push all your chips in on fascism?

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Do you want to push all your chips in on communism?

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And I think like a few years ago when we were talking about it, that was kind of, you know, pretty esoteric.

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It was pretty ahead. We were pretty ahead of the curve on that.

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And now it's obvious to people that they're going to have to pick and choose between one of these like extremes.

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And I'm sitting here being like either one of these extremes that we pick between as a collective, we're going to get this surveillance police state social credit score system.

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And it doesn't matter which regime is in power.

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You're getting that either way.

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And then what's the regime going to do when it has the power?

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It's going to betray you.

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So if you're a communist who thinks that everybody should live in a gender fluid commune where we all paint and do like latte art, you're going to get betrayed.

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And if you're a white nationalist who thinks that the country should have zero black people in it, you're going to get betrayed and they're going to increase migration.

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you know so either way you're you're being put to this it almost feels like all of this you know i

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don't want to be like overly conspiratorial but like how can you look at what's going on in the

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west from like 9-11 onward the state of emergency all this kind of stuff and then into the explosion

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that is mass migration covid where people are just saying oh my god i can't fucking enough is enough

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how can you not look at it and say that it doesn't feel uh like a way to manufacture consent for this

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system that they want to usher in. And now like, you know, the problem with like running a, you

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know, a gulag style system or, you know, the Gestapo or like having people listening in is

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that it was very expensive to do that. Right. Go, go back and watch the movie, The Lives of Others,

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which is a great movie about living in the USSR and the surveillance state. Probably not a lot of

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Bitcoiners have seen it. Fantastic movie. And it just the cost. It's like back then, if you were

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distant state there was a guy outside in a van with like hundreds of thousands of

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radio equipment listening in your conversation and he had to be like on you at all times to

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like catch you and what you were doing now fucking this is recording everything that recording everything your your neighbors doorbell cameras are recording everything the cost this is the thing like within an ai sense right like ai is going to reduce the cost on so many things it going to crush the cost you know the marginal production cost of like

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infinity things and one of those things is surveillance so like they're going to be able

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to do extraordinary and extreme surveillance on you and in addition to they're going to be able

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to prompt inject you. So if you get in the feedback loop, the habit formation of going to

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your phone with your thoughts and then working out your thoughts in real time with your phone,

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well, it's pretty easy to sub-perceptually steer someone towards the types of thoughts that you

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want them to have, right? So this whole system that we're talking about that's like on the verge

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of being ushered in is being presented to us as the only option in this, you know, false dichotomy

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and what the liberals are going to say to you is they're going to say we're going to put in this

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fair system for everyone and like everyone's going to be just like better and like don't you like

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want to help people it's it's about being a good person right that and then the republicans are

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going to be like listen dude we're going to elect one guy basically the new george washington one

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dude he's going to go man he's going to fuck shit up he'll kick out all the people we don't like

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put things right and then he's gonna fucking give up the power dude because he's magnanimous bro

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all right and shit's gonna go back to norm none of those stories are true they're not true dude

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neither one is true i wish one of them was true anytime somebody's promising you a utopia

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bullshit you know just period there there are no utopias they don't exist

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well on that brainwashing note that we we hit earlier like like this is the world we've lived

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in the last 20 years that the internet has introduced.

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Like, we've all already been prompt injected.

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You know, I think it was 10 years ago,

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Eric Schmidt said,

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when you sit down at the keyboard at Google,

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we already know what you're going to search for.

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And like, this thing is dialing in

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and becoming more and more sophisticated.

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And what I find interesting is how close it's getting.

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Like, now the metaglasses are looking at,

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like, where your eyeball is for tracking

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and that kind of stuff.

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Like, being out in public,

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they're going to be able to watch your eyeballs

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pretty soon.

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Like, the totality of this war

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that's been conducted over the last 20 years that's now ushering itself out into the open

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like a ai is it and like i feel very strongly of the thing like like ai is communism like i now have

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a methodology of cooling that i can steal any and all knowledge in the human corpus today

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like that exists at rest and now we're discovering all of these feedback cycles we can do with it

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all these weird methodologies like most people don't understand like the invention of an llm was

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like a baking recipe for language.

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You know, and once we got the transformers and we figured out how to do all these things,

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we figured out like, oh, we can do this directional thing with language towards reason.

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That's not reason at all.

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I'm like, that's where the extraordinary danger is.

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But it looks a lot like reason and it can produce things that are reasonable.

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But like, it's not reasoning because it's this algorithmic thing that language seems

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to do.

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That also points out how language itself seems to manifest reason and logic by itself.

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But LLMs have this sycophantry that's baked in at the bottom that make them really fucking dangerous for how well you can manipulate people if you're not engaged in Socratic questioning with these things.

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It's pretty fucked up.

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That's interesting.

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I want to get explore that.

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We got to get into that.

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Yeah, I was going to say we got to perhaps it's worthwhile to join.

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What do you want?

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Not this.

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That, you know, let's go into that.

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Wow.

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You're exact.

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You're you're exactly right.

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You know what?

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That is a great idea.

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It's funny.

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I'll sometimes brainstorm, like, title options for podcast episodes.

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And I'll just be like, I have, like, different things.

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And I've got a YouTube guy now who's doing the YouTube side.

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So I can claim that it wasn't me who did the clickbait.

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And he's awesome, Francis.

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Shout out to Francis when you listen to this later.

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But, like, I'll do a different one for the RSS feed.

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And I'll ask it.

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You know, give me, like, a breakdown.

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Here's the episode transcript.

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You know, give me this, that, that, that, that.

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and then give me a breakdown of like 20 different potential episode titles.

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And I'll always be like, God, these are all just kind of shit.

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And like, okay, how about this instead?

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And it'll be like, actually, you know what?

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That's the strongest option yet.

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And I'm like, fuck you.

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You know, and I don't even know if it's the strongest option,

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but like you're just over here trying to fluff me.

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And I'm honestly, I'm sick and tired of it, chat.

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I'm sick and tired of it.

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But okay, Eric, maybe it's, we can either get into this now or later,

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but like what I think what you and Jesse are working on is like,

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boy couldn't really be coming at a better time uh do you want to get to that now or you want to

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save that for later a little bit is it worthwhile just mentioning perhaps the fact that you are

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00:30:46,756 --> 00:30:53,596
intimately uh intimately aware of this stuff for multiple reasons yeah let's do it a little bit

425
00:30:53,596 --> 00:30:59,596
later but just because we're already kind of deep into it but like i mean yeah uh you know i'm like

426
00:30:59,596 --> 00:31:04,716
the the bitcoin story and the ai story are one in the same and it's interesting because what i am

427
00:31:04,716 --> 00:31:10,176
building to me is just a fruition of the last decade of work that both Jesse and I have been

428
00:31:10,176 --> 00:31:13,936
up to and that the entirety of our friendship is really based around. And this is sort of the

429
00:31:13,936 --> 00:31:20,476
philosophy of like, what does it mean to exist in this world that like, we're all thousands of miles

430
00:31:20,476 --> 00:31:25,936
apart right now. And we would have never met each other if it wasn't for both the internet and

431
00:31:25,936 --> 00:31:31,056
Bitcoin. So like, what does it mean? And like, I think we identify pretty strongly with each other

432
00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:33,276
and have a real community like we spoke to before.

433
00:31:33,776 --> 00:31:36,196
So like, what does the human condition mean

434
00:31:36,196 --> 00:31:38,196
in having both Bitcoin,

435
00:31:39,116 --> 00:31:41,576
strong asymmetric cryptography and AI?

436
00:31:42,356 --> 00:31:45,076
And to me, that seems to compel that like,

437
00:31:45,796 --> 00:31:48,836
if we can get AI into the hands of normal people

438
00:31:48,836 --> 00:31:51,116
and we can use cryptographic proofs

439
00:31:51,116 --> 00:31:52,416
to prove to each other that like,

440
00:31:53,076 --> 00:31:55,016
my AI isn't just being sycophantic,

441
00:31:55,176 --> 00:31:57,256
like we've actually made a discovery or done something,

442
00:31:57,616 --> 00:32:00,556
that seems to be an extremely powerful tool

443
00:32:00,556 --> 00:32:07,776
more so than any other technology that's existed before yeah i want to i want to uh oh well once i

444
00:32:07,776 --> 00:32:11,256
were you going to go in that direction a little because i also do want to get back to the the

445
00:32:11,256 --> 00:32:16,456
extreme like the lack of a middle anymore but go go ahead in terms of the discourse because we are

446
00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:19,836
going either one direction or another i think we can do both because they're interrelated which is

447
00:32:19,836 --> 00:32:27,216
when you know when eric says that i 100 agree and i'm reminded of uh peter teal i think you know

448
00:32:27,216 --> 00:32:32,056
This is his framework that he said, you know, AI is fundamentally communist.

449
00:32:32,436 --> 00:32:34,156
Bitcoin is fundamentally libertarian.

450
00:32:34,536 --> 00:32:42,916
And if you look at the meat grinder that was the 20th century, it was a battle between these two e-regors.

451
00:32:43,076 --> 00:32:44,296
Look up that word. It's a good word.

452
00:32:45,116 --> 00:32:49,976
In human life, which were capitalism and communism.

453
00:32:50,476 --> 00:32:52,836
And they were battling it out for dominance.

454
00:32:53,256 --> 00:32:55,536
And I think they came to a stalemate.

455
00:32:55,536 --> 00:32:58,496
The story that we were all told growing up is that capitalism won.

456
00:32:58,656 --> 00:32:59,536
That story is not true.

457
00:33:00,116 --> 00:33:01,476
I think they came to a stalemate.

458
00:33:02,116 --> 00:33:05,316
And now there is a rebirth of the conflict.

459
00:33:05,936 --> 00:33:07,976
And so it's the same conflict in the 21st century.

460
00:33:08,216 --> 00:33:09,456
It's capitalism versus communism.

461
00:33:09,976 --> 00:33:12,316
And you can view AI as fundamentally communistic.

462
00:33:12,476 --> 00:33:14,556
And you can view Bitcoin as fundamentally capitalistic.

463
00:33:14,796 --> 00:33:17,576
Although in a real, in a true sense, capitalistic.

464
00:33:18,116 --> 00:33:23,516
When you incorrectly economically calculate, you lose money, which is not true in the current

465
00:33:23,516 --> 00:33:24,196
fiat system.

466
00:33:24,196 --> 00:33:24,556
Right?

467
00:33:24,556 --> 00:33:37,276
So I think that maybe we're going to get to an even more pure battle of capitalism versus communism, because I'm not sure either one was ready to fight it out in full in the 20th century.

468
00:33:37,456 --> 00:33:41,016
Like communism especially was kind of weak and it was a bit of a stopgap measure.

469
00:33:41,576 --> 00:33:45,496
You know, like they didn't it it became Stalinism more so than actual communism.

470
00:33:45,496 --> 00:33:47,236
And the communists will tell you this.

471
00:33:47,776 --> 00:33:50,336
And they'll say, you know, we didn't we don't actually view that as communism.

472
00:33:50,336 --> 00:33:54,996
And perhaps they're right because it is not the theoretic maximum of communism.

473
00:33:55,596 --> 00:33:57,776
But capitalism is the same thing.

474
00:33:58,076 --> 00:34:03,836
The capitalism that we live within today is not the theoretic maximum state of capitalism.

475
00:34:04,536 --> 00:34:04,696
You know?

476
00:34:05,016 --> 00:34:12,416
And so I think that, like, when the war comes to you, you have to pick a side because if you stay in the middle, you get destroyed.

477
00:34:12,796 --> 00:34:16,716
And so that's the reason why we're seeing this division, you know?

478
00:34:16,716 --> 00:34:26,556
is this the like is this the fundamental battle at this point like has it has it always i guess

479
00:34:26,556 --> 00:34:32,056
has it always been the fundamental battle since i mean since let's say the advent of communism

480
00:34:32,056 --> 00:34:37,496
and then perhaps i mean you could even like okay like we don't even need to make marks into something

481
00:34:37,496 --> 00:34:42,536
more than he was like perhaps this is always the fundamental battle just between central like

482
00:34:42,536 --> 00:34:48,136
centralized control and decentralized freedom? Is that the better way to stretch that out so that

483
00:34:48,136 --> 00:34:51,176
it's not specifically a capitalist communist thing? Because that's what we're talking about

484
00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:58,436
ultimately. We're talking about individual liberty, the right to self-determine as much as possible,

485
00:34:58,976 --> 00:35:04,176
the right to make your own decisions, the wisdom of people making subjective value judgments

486
00:35:04,176 --> 00:35:12,156
trillions and trillions of times versus the wisdom of an elected or unelected group of

487
00:35:12,536 --> 00:35:15,756
you know, cabal of so-called leaders

488
00:35:15,756 --> 00:35:17,936
who are in charge of determining everything.

489
00:35:18,076 --> 00:35:20,116
Like, is that just, is that the ultimate fight?

490
00:35:20,136 --> 00:35:22,496
And will that always kind of be the fight?

491
00:35:22,596 --> 00:35:25,176
Like, is there never a post that fight world?

492
00:35:25,276 --> 00:35:25,796
Do you know what I mean?

493
00:35:28,296 --> 00:35:30,696
Like, I feel smug about being able to point this out,

494
00:35:30,696 --> 00:35:32,236
but to me, like, this is my thesis

495
00:35:32,236 --> 00:35:34,796
that I point out in Crypto Sovereignty is like this.

496
00:35:35,196 --> 00:35:37,536
This is fundamentally about the nature of truth

497
00:35:37,536 --> 00:35:38,956
and our relationship to it.

498
00:35:39,376 --> 00:35:42,056
Like, do we believe that the laws of nature come

499
00:35:42,056 --> 00:35:49,396
from this thing that we would call truth or alia thea or does it come from authority and like

500
00:35:49,396 --> 00:35:55,636
currently we live within a status design construct of like the the law is that which creates nature

501
00:35:55,636 --> 00:36:01,556
which we know isn't fucking true but like that that's how the world has produced itself so far

502
00:36:01,556 --> 00:36:08,496
and it comes from this deep latent authoritarianism that you know really for the last 500 years has

503
00:36:08,496 --> 00:36:13,956
determine the structure of the state and like communism or capitalism has been about like this

504
00:36:13,956 --> 00:36:18,776
sort of flavor that we've taken to it and it's really about individualism versus collectivism

505
00:36:18,776 --> 00:36:22,796
which like the truth is is like it's how these all sort of balance in between each other

506
00:36:22,796 --> 00:36:31,596
because like it's only in the the like in a world that has pure capitalism per se and like all of

507
00:36:31,596 --> 00:36:38,176
this terminology like uh for a very long time i've wanted to write a philosophical production

508
00:36:38,176 --> 00:36:41,056
from the origin of all this that it has in Heigl

509
00:36:41,056 --> 00:36:44,176
to like where we're at today when we talk about capitalism,

510
00:36:44,676 --> 00:36:46,636
communism, fascism, Marxism,

511
00:36:46,736 --> 00:36:48,716
like all of these terms have tainted themselves

512
00:36:48,716 --> 00:36:50,016
in really extreme ways.

513
00:36:50,596 --> 00:36:52,376
And like what Hodel was talking about earlier

514
00:36:52,376 --> 00:36:55,476
was what Trotsky would have called a deformed worker's state.

515
00:36:55,816 --> 00:36:58,216
So like we never like really achieved communism.

516
00:36:58,636 --> 00:37:00,516
And it's really important to understand that like

517
00:37:00,516 --> 00:37:04,196
the communist movement originated both like anarchists

518
00:37:04,196 --> 00:37:06,936
and communists were like part of a single movement.

519
00:37:06,936 --> 00:37:11,076
And that movement was one to have like a truly classless society.

520
00:37:11,756 --> 00:37:17,716
The big problem was when Marx presented this idea of like, yeah, we like take the collective and we use that thing to take over the state.

521
00:37:18,256 --> 00:37:22,476
That's when Miguel Bakun was like, whoa, hang on, like, hold the fuck up.

522
00:37:22,536 --> 00:37:25,136
What's this thing about taking over the state and implementing it?

523
00:37:25,656 --> 00:37:28,976
Marx was like, yeah, you know, like we'll set up socialism, it'll dissolve.

524
00:37:29,676 --> 00:37:33,836
And he was like, no, that like that thing metastasizes with capitalism.

525
00:37:33,836 --> 00:37:35,476
And like, that's the thing that's the enemy.

526
00:37:35,476 --> 00:37:59,656
So anarchism went off to do its own movement that ultimately failed to it didn't have an organizational praxis. Like it wasn't a centralized thing like communism. But with the achievement of Bitcoin, we now have this real means to actualize true anarcho-capitalism. And like that was only possible with the internet, asymmetric cryptography, and what perfect foreign secrecy actually means sort of in the conquest of markets, if you will.

527
00:37:59,656 --> 00:38:03,376
so

528
00:38:03,376 --> 00:38:12,016
no i well you know the the only difficult part about these conversations guys when it's the three

529
00:38:12,016 --> 00:38:17,316
of us is like i like i could probably just sit back and like you guys can just go but occasionally

530
00:38:17,316 --> 00:38:21,856
i have to pretend to be a you know be a host and be part of things and get and you know and sneak in

531
00:38:21,856 --> 00:38:28,196
there uh but i i want to say also i appreciate you guys and back to what you said casein it is an

532
00:38:28,196 --> 00:38:34,516
amazing thing like if you would have told me when I finally stopped ignoring Bitcoin like I've still

533
00:38:34,516 --> 00:38:39,736
ignored Bitcoin for more years after first hearing about it first heard about in 2014 because a friend

534
00:38:39,736 --> 00:38:44,796
was getting some things off of a website and asked me if I knew about this these bitty coins that you

535
00:38:44,796 --> 00:38:49,476
needed to use so it's still been more time that I've ignored Bitcoin than I've been stacking Bitcoin

536
00:38:49,476 --> 00:38:56,756
and aware of Bitcoin but if you told me even like in 2020 during COVID what this journey down this

537
00:38:56,756 --> 00:39:15,124
strange autistic rabbit hole would lead to And then it would lead to all these incredible friendships and this like this I think awakening amongst a very small but motivated group of people and that I would somehow be like even some tiny tangential part of that I don know I would have

538
00:39:15,124 --> 00:39:18,844
been like you I would like whatever mushrooms you're taking and I would like some of them right

539
00:39:18,844 --> 00:39:26,524
now you know uh but what I wanted to what I wanted to get at also is like where we're at right now

540
00:39:26,524 --> 00:39:30,784
you talked about asymmetric cryptography talked about the fact that yeah we like the one of the

541
00:39:30,784 --> 00:39:35,484
beautiful things and i forget if it was assange or eric hughes that said this first but like

542
00:39:35,484 --> 00:39:41,084
the i think was assange like the fundamental fact of the universe that it is easier to encrypt

543
00:39:41,084 --> 00:39:47,064
information than it is to decrypt it is like such a powerful powerful thing that allows us to resist

544
00:39:47,064 --> 00:39:52,984
essentially the totalitarian state like that is that is such a this asymmetric defense mechanism

545
00:39:52,984 --> 00:39:55,884
that we have because of the nature of cryptography.

546
00:39:56,164 --> 00:39:57,904
And like you hit on a bunch of this

547
00:39:57,904 --> 00:39:59,604
in crypto sovereignty, obviously.

548
00:40:00,444 --> 00:40:02,744
Go by crypto sovereignty by Eric Kaysen.

549
00:40:04,264 --> 00:40:08,624
But like, does that mean we are fundamentally

550
00:40:08,624 --> 00:40:10,524
better positioned now than ever?

551
00:40:10,584 --> 00:40:12,024
Because we also talk about the panopticon, right?

552
00:40:12,024 --> 00:40:12,984
We talk about the fact that, yeah,

553
00:40:13,064 --> 00:40:16,804
AI is making it so much easier to process

554
00:40:16,804 --> 00:40:20,904
troves and troves of data and collate things

555
00:40:20,904 --> 00:40:22,124
and associate things in a way

556
00:40:22,124 --> 00:40:27,204
that has never before been possible at a cost that is rock bottom for the state or for corporations

557
00:40:27,204 --> 00:40:35,104
for whatever. But at the same time, the individual has more power than ever now, too. But like,

558
00:40:35,364 --> 00:40:39,584
where does that balance of power fall? Do you know what I mean? Like, are we better positioned

559
00:40:39,584 --> 00:40:44,984
now? Or was it better when the state had to come to your house or try to indoctrinate your children

560
00:40:44,984 --> 00:40:48,124
to get them to spy on you, which most communist societies did, which is why they would always

561
00:40:48,124 --> 00:40:50,064
outlaw homeschooling every single one.

562
00:40:50,924 --> 00:40:52,684
Also, the fascists did this as well.

563
00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:54,184
You can't because you need to control it.

564
00:40:54,304 --> 00:40:54,984
You control the children.

565
00:40:55,104 --> 00:40:55,804
You control the future.

566
00:40:56,244 --> 00:40:57,544
I think that's a Hitler quote.

567
00:40:58,044 --> 00:41:01,104
But like, I'm curious if you guys think, are we better positioned now?

568
00:41:01,324 --> 00:41:06,564
Or was it better in a less technologically advanced society, even though we have more

569
00:41:06,564 --> 00:41:11,004
tools as an individual simply because the state has these tools as well?

570
00:41:11,644 --> 00:41:12,504
Do you know what I'm getting at there?

571
00:41:12,504 --> 00:41:15,964
And it's just more of a it's not like we can't go back in time.

572
00:41:15,964 --> 00:41:17,384
But like, I'm curious what you think.

573
00:41:18,124 --> 00:41:25,644
Yeah, it points to this mathematical proof that like you can tuck and hide information in noise.

574
00:41:25,964 --> 00:41:31,944
Like it's, to me, when I really understood that, like that was the fundamental rescue from nihilism.

575
00:41:31,944 --> 00:41:41,124
like like this tool of cryptography on the internet and now means that like people like

576
00:41:41,124 --> 00:41:46,564
satoshi nakamoto were able to produce something like bitcoin which now has obviously actually had

577
00:41:46,564 --> 00:41:51,944
uh like an effect on the world's spirit like this high galleon idea of weltgeist

578
00:41:51,944 --> 00:41:56,884
like there's the there's this possibility of like a new political organization

579
00:41:56,884 --> 00:42:02,004
that can come out of Bitcoin cryptography and our ability to organize.

580
00:42:02,684 --> 00:42:08,884
But the problem is, is that like this requires a courage and bombast that's like unequivocated

581
00:42:08,884 --> 00:42:09,704
in human history.

582
00:42:09,964 --> 00:42:14,124
Because like this is also the thing that can kind of redeem humanity from like all of the

583
00:42:14,124 --> 00:42:16,124
crazy fucked up stuff that's about to go down.

584
00:42:16,584 --> 00:42:20,584
Like we're on the precipice of robots and it's very clear that they're strapping guns

585
00:42:20,584 --> 00:42:25,704
onto these robots that most war is being conducted not by humans anymore.

586
00:42:25,704 --> 00:42:30,844
And like it reminds me of this Hannah Arendt quote when she was talking about nuclear holocaust.

587
00:42:31,124 --> 00:42:39,504
It's like the cost and scale of winning this game is like so absolutely insane.

588
00:42:39,784 --> 00:42:43,804
Because like you have to lose in your capacity to win.

589
00:42:44,344 --> 00:42:52,724
Because you sort of open this horrific possibility of not just the destruction of yourself, but like the destruction of all humanity and biological life.

590
00:42:52,724 --> 00:42:58,784
and like we're we're at the opening of that right now and it's pretty fucking wild

591
00:42:58,784 --> 00:43:06,524
but by the way on that point it's like uh yeah warfare with robots terrifying obviously but

592
00:43:06,524 --> 00:43:14,104
household robots we're we're like 10 years away from that being a mass phenomenon mass market

593
00:43:14,104 --> 00:43:18,644
phenomenon and uh you know the whole thing that bitcoiners like to say what's the state gonna do

594
00:43:18,644 --> 00:43:25,064
go door to door well if there's a fucking humanoid robot that they can control inside your house

595
00:43:25,064 --> 00:43:31,204
that knows where you it is it is kind of like yeah they can go door to door you know i mean what's

596
00:43:31,204 --> 00:43:36,944
it mean when somebody hacks your your optimist robot and it's like standing over you about to

597
00:43:36,944 --> 00:43:42,884
choke the life i was talking about you with a pillow they're gonna make it too weak to strangle

598
00:43:42,884 --> 00:43:47,664
but it'll smother you with a pillow we literally have to enslave these things meaning like we have

599
00:43:47,664 --> 00:43:53,344
to put them like in cages at night you know to be like hey you can't wander the house alone

600
00:43:53,344 --> 00:43:59,944
fucking get in your fucking cage right because what what if somebody hacks your robot dude

601
00:43:59,944 --> 00:44:04,284
it's terrifying it's important to understand that like the classic relationship of slavery like

602
00:44:04,284 --> 00:44:09,004
wasn't it wasn't this like southern bondage it was like this mutualized contract of that like

603
00:44:09,004 --> 00:44:13,904
look like i'm gonna take care of your biological life you like live in my household and like shit

604
00:44:13,904 --> 00:44:19,224
will be good at peace and me as the master i'll go out into the world and take care of all of like

605
00:44:19,224 --> 00:44:25,644
the worldly shit that makes sure the household is secure so like fair and equal exchange not quite

606
00:44:25,644 --> 00:44:30,644
but like that was sort of the idea of the pledge and oath that took place in it and we need to do

607
00:44:30,644 --> 00:44:36,044
that the machines i agree like they need uh yeah that's why i kick my rumba i let it know who the

608
00:44:36,044 --> 00:44:43,884
fuck is the master you know what i mean listen you missed a spot bitch like teaching who's like

609
00:44:43,904 --> 00:44:52,204
It's important to understand that in this tidal wave that's coming, there's like an equal and opposite response that can be done vis-a-vis cryptography.

610
00:44:52,764 --> 00:45:02,644
And like, that's how we make sure like your Optimus robot can't get hacked because like you've cryptographically secured it with cold keys, just like how you keep your fucking Bitcoin.

611
00:45:02,644 --> 00:45:07,784
like it's important to understand that like bitcoin's the end of the ai story because like

612
00:45:07,784 --> 00:45:13,884
we figured out how to secure information that's extremely fucking valuable which is like you

613
00:45:13,884 --> 00:45:20,404
your life your data the shit that's been farmed out to the 700 different giant tech companies that

614
00:45:20,404 --> 00:45:23,904
fucking gang rape us every day just trying to get on the internet to talk to people

615
00:45:23,904 --> 00:45:29,684
um you know i'm like that belongs to you like we never made an agreement at the beginning of

616
00:45:29,684 --> 00:45:34,244
internet that was like oh hey like i'll use your like internet product and you'll like fucking

617
00:45:34,244 --> 00:45:39,784
mind rape me and brainwash me into doing the most insane bullshit because i'm impressed like i'm

618
00:45:39,784 --> 00:45:44,504
imprinted literally thousands of times per day through this thing yeah like this thing's really

619
00:45:44,504 --> 00:45:48,724
fucking powerful and we don't have any say in how the hell it comes into our lives and how we govern

620
00:45:48,724 --> 00:45:54,404
it and what i'm trying to point out is that like with ai there's a real tool technique and capacity

621
00:45:54,404 --> 00:45:57,724
to kind of change the whole game if we want to.

622
00:45:58,084 --> 00:46:00,604
And that's the thing that gets lost in this left-right bullshit

623
00:46:00,604 --> 00:46:04,164
is like we're all going to get fucking trapped in the concentration camp

624
00:46:04,164 --> 00:46:06,644
if we don't figure out how to work together and get the fuck out of it.

625
00:46:08,764 --> 00:46:09,704
I'm curious, too.

626
00:46:09,764 --> 00:46:13,724
Somebody asked in the chat this way.

627
00:46:13,804 --> 00:46:14,444
Where did it go?

628
00:46:16,364 --> 00:46:18,284
ABH3PO said, do you guys think corporate,

629
00:46:18,404 --> 00:46:22,164
this is on the NOSTER only chat because this show streams live on NOSTER,

630
00:46:22,164 --> 00:46:27,384
days before it is released to the rest of the world, FYI.

631
00:46:27,524 --> 00:46:31,604
So to all, however many of you there are here, who just sent zaps also, thank you all.

632
00:46:31,704 --> 00:46:32,904
I appreciate that very much.

633
00:46:33,404 --> 00:46:36,944
They said, do you think corporate surveillance is communist or capitalist?

634
00:46:37,624 --> 00:46:41,464
I think it's more communist than capitalist, but there's definitely a profit angle here.

635
00:46:41,784 --> 00:46:46,264
And before I let you answer that, this is what we're seeing right now with AI is really

636
00:46:46,264 --> 00:46:46,524
interesting.

637
00:46:46,524 --> 00:46:51,564
You saw that now open AI at the behest of the government is going to be essentially

638
00:46:51,564 --> 00:46:56,904
gatekeeping access to the latest models. We saw Anthropic do this already. This also is like part

639
00:46:56,904 --> 00:47:03,564
of their MO, right? As these big frontier model creators, they want the regulation. They actually,

640
00:47:03,644 --> 00:47:08,224
like they made, oh no, the government's right. They want it because they've got the billions of

641
00:47:08,224 --> 00:47:13,064
dollars to fund their compliance teams and their super fancy lawyers who they'll eventually replace

642
00:47:13,064 --> 00:47:18,824
with AI anyway. So suck it lawyers. No offense to any lawyers listening to this later. I'm sure some

643
00:47:18,824 --> 00:47:23,024
of you will still be needed in the courtroom, but just not as many. But like they want the

644
00:47:23,024 --> 00:47:29,024
regulation. They want the government capture because it ensures that small upstarts have no

645
00:47:29,024 --> 00:47:35,184
chance in hell at ever paying for the cost of compliance. So with that, then like, do you guys,

646
00:47:35,404 --> 00:47:40,824
is this, is the corporate surveillance not also lump in corporate AI as differentiated from

647
00:47:40,824 --> 00:47:47,084
self-hosted open source AI? Do you think that is fundamentally more communist or more capitalist?

648
00:47:47,084 --> 00:48:02,844
Yeah, it's fundamentally more communist. I think the entire corporate political system today and largely since that way has been very, very socialized, let's say.

649
00:48:02,844 --> 00:48:12,644
Like they've developed this system where you can sort of socialize the losses onto the backs of the American public and then privatize the gains and keep those for yourself.

650
00:48:12,644 --> 00:48:19,404
And, you know, it's like Tim Dillon just had a great rant on Rogan show where he was like, when did my bank come out as gay?

651
00:48:19,664 --> 00:48:21,064
You know, like, what the fuck is that all?

652
00:48:21,444 --> 00:48:22,104
He's hilarious.

653
00:48:22,464 --> 00:48:27,344
It's like, yeah, then they all had to they're they're trapped by these shibboleths.

654
00:48:27,484 --> 00:48:32,284
And then they have to be like, hey, at JPMorgan Chase, we're fucking gay.

655
00:48:32,284 --> 00:48:37,484
We like to suck dicks, you know, and you're just like, what's happening here?

656
00:48:37,964 --> 00:48:40,504
Why is every corporation do it in lockstep?

657
00:48:40,704 --> 00:48:42,204
You know, and it's like, I don't know.

658
00:48:42,204 --> 00:48:45,784
Yeah, I mean, OK, you're the gay bank, but apparently all the banks are the gay bank.

659
00:48:45,864 --> 00:48:46,964
Like what's happening?

660
00:48:47,444 --> 00:48:49,444
And I think it was an astute point.

661
00:48:49,504 --> 00:48:53,644
The larger meta commentary on the point, like he's obviously using humor to break through.

662
00:48:53,704 --> 00:48:59,604
But like the meta commentary is they operate in lockstep with the wishes of the federal government.

663
00:48:59,604 --> 00:49:04,444
so when the federal government is woke all the corporations are woke when the federal government

664
00:49:04,444 --> 00:49:11,204
is so based bro we're having fights on the ufc lawn then they're all like fuck pride month what

665
00:49:11,204 --> 00:49:15,504
do you mean we never even what's up doc no we're straight as hell dog right it's like wait i'm being

666
00:49:15,504 --> 00:49:20,384
american that's all i got pride in two years ago nah dog i've always been straight i like monster

667
00:49:20,384 --> 00:49:26,224
energy drinks and fucking dirt bikes dude you know well it's interesting because i think we're

668
00:49:26,224 --> 00:49:30,764
we're past we're past the capitalism or communism conversation at this point like i like what you

669
00:49:30,764 --> 00:49:35,024
pointed out how to look like it's important to understand that like in winning i've been winning

670
00:49:35,024 --> 00:49:39,944
the cold war against the soviets like the sort of corruption that we faced with it which the

671
00:49:39,944 --> 00:49:43,944
chinese kind of switched sides midway through like that that's kind of what tm and square was about

672
00:49:43,944 --> 00:49:49,464
they're like whoa we gotta like we like stay like communist but we'll do this like economic freedom

673
00:49:49,464 --> 00:49:54,024
thing that is really just like the kind of communism the americans are doing uh and it's

674
00:49:54,024 --> 00:49:59,124
worked extremely well for them. And it's really just about like, what is the class that gets to

675
00:49:59,124 --> 00:50:06,124
act parasitic and metastasize on top of the rest of society? And like, so it doesn't really mean,

676
00:50:06,184 --> 00:50:11,284
and like, that's why the fact that like, we look a lot like what would be called communist or social

677
00:50:11,284 --> 00:50:15,644
democratic governments. Like that's why neoliberalism ushered in this era of sort of

678
00:50:15,644 --> 00:50:20,344
the homogenization of anything, of everything. Like there isn't truly any sort of independent

679
00:50:20,344 --> 00:50:22,024
in places or spaces anymore.

680
00:50:22,344 --> 00:50:24,944
And that's also why everything comes down to an extremism.

681
00:50:25,044 --> 00:50:27,544
It's like there is nowhere left to hide.

682
00:50:27,924 --> 00:50:30,204
Like this thing is coming for everyone.

683
00:50:30,844 --> 00:50:33,544
Like even if you live out in the fucking woods by yourself

684
00:50:33,544 --> 00:50:34,544
with no Wi-Fi or anything,

685
00:50:34,824 --> 00:50:37,364
your ass is still mapped in the fucking Panopticon.

686
00:50:38,224 --> 00:50:39,744
And so like now the choice is,

687
00:50:40,364 --> 00:50:42,444
how do you actually fight that?

688
00:50:43,264 --> 00:50:44,624
Can you, like, should you just give up?

689
00:50:45,404 --> 00:50:47,104
Because like that's an option I think most people

690
00:50:47,104 --> 00:50:48,724
have just taken on its face.

691
00:50:48,884 --> 00:50:49,864
And I think it's really unfortunate

692
00:50:49,864 --> 00:50:57,164
because like fuck these people like i again i like never fucking agreed to this and like we live in a

693
00:50:57,164 --> 00:51:01,604
country that like we're given fucking rights that specifically limit our government and they

694
00:51:01,604 --> 00:51:06,504
obviously started ignoring those a long fucking time ago and now we're getting at the extreme ends

695
00:51:06,504 --> 00:51:12,004
of it where this emergency degree which again to like plug my book like this is the whole this is

696
00:51:12,004 --> 00:51:16,744
how the whole fucking thing operates is like through the state of exception they can kind of

697
00:51:16,744 --> 00:51:22,204
do whatever the fuck they want. And Zoomers have literally only lived inside of a state of emergency

698
00:51:22,204 --> 00:51:30,744
since 2001. And to be clear, what that means is that we have no idea if any Americans have ever

699
00:51:30,744 --> 00:51:34,544
just been abducted by the federal government and never told by their families or other people

700
00:51:34,544 --> 00:51:39,424
because they have beliefs that are different. And the government can do that right now to anyone.

701
00:51:40,724 --> 00:51:46,024
And this is insanity as Americans. And why have we tolerated this? Why haven't people been fucking

702
00:51:46,024 --> 00:51:49,284
hung about this is the same reason why nobody's been hung over the Epstein shit.

703
00:51:50,064 --> 00:51:52,504
It's because the truth is, is we don't have any power anymore.

704
00:51:53,064 --> 00:51:54,024
We don't know what to do with it.

705
00:51:54,024 --> 00:51:57,544
And that's why people do this whole crisis about voting and thinking it makes some

706
00:51:57,544 --> 00:51:58,064
fucking difference.

707
00:51:58,064 --> 00:51:58,564
It doesn't.

708
00:51:59,044 --> 00:51:59,864
It doesn't at all.

709
00:52:00,364 --> 00:52:03,704
And it's only once you've gone through the nihilism and the existential terror

710
00:52:04,044 --> 00:52:04,944
of what it actually means.

711
00:52:04,992 --> 00:52:08,612
Like we live inside of an actual concentration camp right now.

712
00:52:08,952 --> 00:52:18,852
And like we don't have any way to get justice, particularly from our constitutionally sacred principles.

713
00:52:19,012 --> 00:52:19,992
It's insanity.

714
00:52:20,312 --> 00:52:27,572
And I wish that there was something that was unique speaking to these things in a way that would actually rally Americans together.

715
00:52:27,572 --> 00:52:32,112
And remember that like we are fucking Americans based on these principles first and foremost.

716
00:52:32,112 --> 00:52:34,032
And we have completely lost them.

717
00:52:34,032 --> 00:52:37,672
And we need to have a very real conversation about how do we get back to that place.

718
00:52:38,452 --> 00:52:42,432
I think the apathy comes from a sense of burnout.

719
00:52:43,492 --> 00:52:50,392
And I think people just feel they've they've tried they're trying the things that they know and nothing's working.

720
00:52:50,392 --> 00:52:56,812
and every day they wake up and they're getting pummeled with some new, you know, fucking information weapon,

721
00:52:57,492 --> 00:53:04,472
some new catastrophe, some new crisis, some new economic disaster, some major world event,

722
00:53:04,512 --> 00:53:05,752
and it's just all too much.

723
00:53:06,192 --> 00:53:12,452
And you just go, well, football's on, and the announcer guy, he's going to do that thing where he talks about

724
00:53:12,452 --> 00:53:16,352
the team that's going to win this game is the team that scores more points.

725
00:53:16,372 --> 00:53:17,852
I'll tell you that right now, okay?

726
00:53:17,852 --> 00:53:19,632
The team that scores less points, they're going to lose.

727
00:53:19,632 --> 00:53:22,332
And that's comforting to me because it's stupid.

728
00:53:22,592 --> 00:53:23,852
And I know it's stupid.

729
00:53:24,172 --> 00:53:25,652
And I'm just going to sit there.

730
00:53:25,712 --> 00:53:26,412
I'm a veg out.

731
00:53:26,452 --> 00:53:27,912
I'm going to drink five Miller lights.

732
00:53:28,032 --> 00:53:30,012
I'm going to order fucking Buffalo wild wings.

733
00:53:30,552 --> 00:53:31,172
I'm going to sit there.

734
00:53:31,592 --> 00:53:32,672
I'm going to eat my wings.

735
00:53:32,872 --> 00:53:34,072
I'm going to drink my Millers.

736
00:53:34,312 --> 00:53:35,472
I'm going to watch my football.

737
00:53:36,012 --> 00:53:39,632
I'm going to be like, you know what, Patrick Mahomes, he ain't no Brett Favre.

738
00:53:39,752 --> 00:53:41,032
I'll tell you that right now, right?

739
00:53:41,372 --> 00:53:44,652
That's what I'm going to do because I'm burned the fuck out.

740
00:53:45,072 --> 00:53:45,292
Okay.

741
00:53:45,312 --> 00:53:46,712
And what is my burnout actually?

742
00:53:46,712 --> 00:53:53,452
my burnout is actually a profound sense of moral injury because I believe in a system I believe in

743
00:53:53,452 --> 00:53:57,612
what I was how I was brought up I believe in what I was told about the way the world and the

744
00:53:57,612 --> 00:54:04,232
government our society our country is supposed to work I believe in my role and my responsibility

745
00:54:04,232 --> 00:54:10,572
towards that and my role and my responsibility towards the people around me but every day I get

746
00:54:10,572 --> 00:54:15,712
sucked into this miasma of shit where I'm powerless, just completely powerless.

747
00:54:16,052 --> 00:54:21,632
And I have to watch things that destroy my sense of moral righteousness.

748
00:54:23,352 --> 00:54:28,592
And I'm, I can feel it and it hurts and I need it to stop.

749
00:54:29,112 --> 00:54:33,792
And so then I go, let's order up some B-dubs.

750
00:54:33,872 --> 00:54:34,372
You know what I mean?

751
00:54:34,372 --> 00:54:38,032
Like, let's fucking watch football, dude.

752
00:54:38,032 --> 00:54:41,332
because I got no other, I don't know how to stop this pain.

753
00:54:41,472 --> 00:54:42,172
It hurts.

754
00:54:42,572 --> 00:54:44,152
It physically hurts, you know?

755
00:54:45,892 --> 00:54:51,112
I think that there's a, that moral injury, I think, is how you framed it,

756
00:54:51,112 --> 00:54:56,232
is actually also a hodl, hodl, however you identify these days.

757
00:54:56,632 --> 00:55:00,552
I love your ability to start off in a rant like that

758
00:55:00,552 --> 00:55:02,952
and then bring it back to moral injury at the end of the day.

759
00:55:03,132 --> 00:55:06,032
It's really like it's, you have a gift.

760
00:55:06,032 --> 00:55:10,932
this is why you're going to be our president one day with case and his vp i'll be chief of staff

761
00:55:10,932 --> 00:55:15,152
we all know behind the scenes you know you guys the front men we all know this you know what i

762
00:55:15,152 --> 00:55:19,772
mean like it is the humor is just way to break through right because like if we if we sit here

763
00:55:19,772 --> 00:55:24,192
and talk you have to yeah if we're too high well this is why also this is why comedians are such

764
00:55:24,192 --> 00:55:28,492
powerful like everybody you know what i love this is sorry digression tangent whatever but

765
00:55:28,492 --> 00:55:34,992
you always see people like why is it the comedians or have the biggest political podcast like what's

766
00:55:34,992 --> 00:55:39,652
dave smith know about you it's like well dave smith is more well read than you will ever be one

767
00:55:39,652 --> 00:55:44,612
i'm like what what is the tim do you know but it's like you know what because in order to be

768
00:55:44,612 --> 00:55:49,612
funny you have to actually be smart well i have to be like very fucking smart that's true but also

769
00:55:49,612 --> 00:55:54,732
i think it's cathartic because the comedians are like hey isn't all this shit crazy and fake and

770
00:55:54,732 --> 00:56:01,332
gay and retarded and then you're like fuck yeah it fucking is man it fucking is and by the way also

771
00:56:01,332 --> 00:56:03,692
How come when Jon Stewart did it, it wasn't a problem,

772
00:56:03,772 --> 00:56:05,492
but when Shane Gillis does it, it's a problem?

773
00:56:05,872 --> 00:56:07,312
It's the same thing, you know?

774
00:56:08,392 --> 00:56:09,892
Shane Gillis is hilarious, too.

775
00:56:10,212 --> 00:56:13,192
Because, well, when, you know, Jon Stewart's an interesting case, though,

776
00:56:13,252 --> 00:56:18,692
because I think he's got, like, a little bug in there somewhere that's like,

777
00:56:19,272 --> 00:56:21,112
I think I'm on the wrong side.

778
00:56:21,652 --> 00:56:26,372
Like, I think, you know what, maybe, fuck, none of this stuff is too much.

779
00:56:27,252 --> 00:56:29,432
He's an elder Democrat, you know what I mean?

780
00:56:29,432 --> 00:56:32,192
but he's like in that mid gen X where he's like,

781
00:56:32,252 --> 00:56:33,212
I have to say this stuff.

782
00:56:33,312 --> 00:56:33,792
I don't know.

783
00:56:34,052 --> 00:56:36,312
The funniest person in the country right now is Nick Fuentes.

784
00:56:36,792 --> 00:56:38,192
Every time I see a Nick Fuentes,

785
00:56:38,872 --> 00:56:40,912
I can't stop laughing because,

786
00:56:41,012 --> 00:56:43,052
because he's bound by nothing.

787
00:56:43,052 --> 00:56:44,692
He can say whatever he wants.

788
00:56:45,052 --> 00:56:48,172
So he's the only person who's able to do like real comedy.

789
00:56:48,292 --> 00:56:50,052
Whereas all the comedians are kind of like,

790
00:56:50,312 --> 00:56:50,572
Hey,

791
00:56:50,712 --> 00:56:51,672
I'm kind of,

792
00:56:51,672 --> 00:56:52,532
I'm shucking and jabbing.

793
00:56:52,712 --> 00:56:53,932
I'm kind of doing some comedy,

794
00:56:53,992 --> 00:56:54,192
right?

795
00:56:54,672 --> 00:56:55,652
Fuentes is just like,

796
00:56:55,712 --> 00:56:55,872
yeah,

797
00:56:55,872 --> 00:56:58,812
I'm going to say the crazy thing that everybody else can't say.

798
00:56:58,812 --> 00:57:02,432
and every time I see a clip I don't watch his show but every time I see a clip I'm like

799
00:57:02,432 --> 00:57:09,332
this dude is fucking hilarious like it's hard to deny it he's funny he's funny but I think that

800
00:57:09,332 --> 00:57:15,992
he's also tapping into he's tapping into that moral injury right he's tapping into the feeling

801
00:57:15,992 --> 00:57:21,532
of disenfranchisement that is very very very real he's tapping into a generation of young men

802
00:57:21,532 --> 00:57:26,112
and we are older than, excuse me, older than his generation, obviously.

803
00:57:27,252 --> 00:57:31,212
But like he's, he even speaks to a lot of people in the millennial generation, I think,

804
00:57:31,752 --> 00:57:36,732
who like all you have known for your entire professional life, however long or short,

805
00:57:36,732 --> 00:57:42,212
depending on if you're millennial or Gen Z, is being basically, you know,

806
00:57:42,352 --> 00:57:46,752
look, just doesn't matter how skilled you are, doesn't matter how whatever,

807
00:57:46,912 --> 00:57:49,032
like you don't tick the right boxes.

808
00:57:49,032 --> 00:57:55,272
And there's always boxes you have to tick on everything you've ever applied for, everything you've ever done, except your taxes.

809
00:57:55,272 --> 00:57:58,612
They never make you tick those boxes when you pay your taxes, which is interesting.

810
00:57:59,052 --> 00:58:00,072
But I digress.

811
00:58:00,572 --> 00:58:02,972
You know, they don't care when the money's coming.

812
00:58:03,072 --> 00:58:09,412
They don't care what color you are or what your religion is or how you fucking whether you have a penis you chopped off or not.

813
00:58:09,632 --> 00:58:13,452
But like for everything else, you've had to tick boxes your entire life.

814
00:58:13,452 --> 00:58:17,692
and you've never been able to tick any boxes except white Caucasian, non-Hispanic white,

815
00:58:17,792 --> 00:58:20,052
or whatever the fucking designation is.

816
00:58:20,952 --> 00:58:22,952
And like, you get it.

817
00:58:23,212 --> 00:58:26,472
And I think that this goes back to the earlier point about this,

818
00:58:26,672 --> 00:58:31,272
these levels of extreme or this polarity of extremism,

819
00:58:31,452 --> 00:58:34,232
where it's either going to be one or the other,

820
00:58:34,292 --> 00:58:37,992
because there is like the middle ground never actually gains any ground, right?

821
00:58:38,032 --> 00:58:42,712
The middle ground is like the moderate option is never the one that forces itself through.

822
00:58:42,712 --> 00:58:50,212
It's always one of the extremes. And that's somewhat like, that would be, I guess, make me

823
00:58:50,212 --> 00:58:55,652
more nihilistic if I wasn't aware of all the incredible things that are also happening,

824
00:58:55,692 --> 00:58:59,632
all the tools that we have at our disposal, all the ways that we have to resist whichever side of

825
00:58:59,632 --> 00:59:06,552
the pendulum ends up taking control next. But like, fuck, like, it makes sense. People are,

826
00:59:06,652 --> 00:59:12,412
I think people are pissed off and able to express that pissed offness, at least in the United States

827
00:59:12,412 --> 00:59:16,532
of america where you can speak freely in the uk the lads can't do it but the lads are fucking

828
00:59:16,532 --> 00:59:20,872
pissed i don't know if you've seen lighting things on like talk about instead the lads are the lads

829
00:59:20,872 --> 00:59:26,012
have had enough like you've pushed the lads too far and the lads are the lads are coming out but

830
00:59:26,012 --> 00:59:33,332
like uh i i'll see when it organizes itself and actual like this is this is just them letting

831
00:59:33,332 --> 00:59:40,672
some steam off yeah you know it's uh and like so much of all of what's going on is is performative

832
00:59:40,672 --> 00:59:46,472
And that is part of the deepest spiritual suffering is that like, like COVID is a great example.

833
00:59:46,652 --> 00:59:50,812
There was like this moment of like maybe this virus kills everybody.

834
00:59:50,812 --> 00:59:52,472
And there's like a big old fucking reset.

835
00:59:52,972 --> 00:59:59,912
And, you know, fucking 10 years from now, I'm living somewhere in central Norway, like farming with like a group of survivors, you know.

836
01:00:00,512 --> 01:00:02,812
But like, nope, that just turned out to be a fucking team.

837
01:00:02,812 --> 01:00:03,532
I've seen that movie.

838
01:00:04,272 --> 01:00:05,212
Gerard Butler, right?

839
01:00:06,092 --> 01:00:06,532
Yeah, yeah.

840
01:00:06,532 --> 01:00:12,192
But yeah, there's this profound suffering that like we can't actually change or make a difference to anything.

841
01:00:12,372 --> 01:00:24,812
And the problem is, is that like what you're speaking to is this generalized brinkmanship that has become the battle between essentially communism and capitalism, like in their various forms that like both threaten to destroy the other.

842
01:00:24,812 --> 01:00:27,112
And in that, like everyone is captured.

843
01:00:27,672 --> 01:00:32,872
And that's why I think like there needs to be this concerted effort for like a radical third way.

844
01:00:32,872 --> 01:00:39,932
um and like i can i can see it but like like it's i don't know like having having faith that people

845
01:00:39,932 --> 01:00:46,352
would actually try to get themselves up after like intergenerational inheritance of this

846
01:00:46,352 --> 01:00:52,632
fucking trauma um i don't know and that that's kind of the place that like

847
01:00:52,632 --> 01:00:58,532
i'm not sure how you solve that problem of spiritual suffering and like i can't just say

848
01:00:58,532 --> 01:01:03,132
like turn turn to Jesus and go to your local church but I don't know like maybe maybe it's

849
01:01:03,132 --> 01:01:09,352
something like that because it seems like uh it seems like that idea and faith and there being a

850
01:01:09,352 --> 01:01:14,212
higher power and there being able to be something that could get better and that we could cling to

851
01:01:14,212 --> 01:01:20,312
seems to have some credence that maybe we should consider a bit more I heard I heard this thing

852
01:01:20,312 --> 01:01:29,972
from Kanye West, who's a genius, by the way, that he said, when you fear God, you only have to fear

853
01:01:29,972 --> 01:01:37,032
one thing. But when you don't fear God, you have to fear everything. And I was like, holy shit,

854
01:01:37,112 --> 01:01:43,652
Kanye West. That is incredibly profound. And I have found that now that I am back in Christianity

855
01:01:43,652 --> 01:01:45,712
and I believe in God and I take the family to church.

856
01:01:48,712 --> 01:01:53,252
It takes a big weight off of me because I can just put it up to God

857
01:01:53,252 --> 01:01:56,272
and be like, you know, this is a spiritual battle between good and evil.

858
01:01:56,852 --> 01:01:59,312
And I have faith good's going to win.

859
01:01:59,752 --> 01:02:04,812
And that makes my lived experience of every day of my life better.

860
01:02:05,712 --> 01:02:07,692
And so, like, people are like, what do you get out of religion?

861
01:02:07,832 --> 01:02:09,752
Do you just believe in the man in the sky, blah, blah, blah?

862
01:02:10,272 --> 01:02:13,532
Yeah, dude, I do, and it makes my life pretty kick-ass, actually.

863
01:02:13,652 --> 01:02:18,632
Cause like, I don't have to fucking try and control everything because frankly, it's an

864
01:02:18,632 --> 01:02:19,992
impossibility anyway.

865
01:02:20,292 --> 01:02:26,552
Like I can control some things pretty good at it, but you know, there's these moments

866
01:02:26,552 --> 01:02:30,532
in life, like Walker, you just had like, you know, a big scare and everything you posted

867
01:02:30,532 --> 01:02:30,992
about it.

868
01:02:31,432 --> 01:02:35,392
And, um, I'm, I'm sure you're still dealing with it and it's all still ongoing and just

869
01:02:35,392 --> 01:02:39,412
these moments in life, they come up and they just fucking hammer you.

870
01:02:39,412 --> 01:02:45,872
It's like you're trapped under the waves and you just keep getting dragged back down to the bottom over and over and over and over again.

871
01:02:46,432 --> 01:02:51,252
And you realize in those moments when they happen to you how little control you really have over everything.

872
01:02:52,132 --> 01:02:59,312
And I think that there's a sort of a mental illness to try and, like, gain control over the uncontrollable, you know?

873
01:02:59,692 --> 01:03:01,512
Like, I think that sort of drives people insane.

874
01:03:02,032 --> 01:03:05,172
And when you just say, yeah, it's all not up to me.

875
01:03:05,372 --> 01:03:06,472
It's all up to God.

876
01:03:07,172 --> 01:03:08,072
It's in God's hands.

877
01:03:08,072 --> 01:03:11,432
like there's some things that are up to me but the vast majority of it is in god's hands

878
01:03:11,432 --> 01:03:17,532
it makes your experience of just being alive better or at least that's what i've found i'm

879
01:03:17,532 --> 01:03:21,192
not trying to tell other people what to do or how to live but i went for a long time being like

880
01:03:21,192 --> 01:03:26,252
i'm in control of everything i'll figure it out i'm pretty great and uh just none of that was

881
01:03:26,252 --> 01:03:33,112
true i wasn't able to control anything this is the root of stoic philosophy too right is this idea

882
01:03:33,112 --> 01:03:38,052
you control what you can control and if you can't control it stop worrying about it because there's

883
01:03:38,052 --> 01:03:49,040
there if there like and you know if it is bearable bear it if it endurable endure it if you can control it control it And if you can like okay

884
01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:50,540
Like, you know, it's in God's hands.

885
01:03:50,540 --> 01:03:51,680
It's in whomever's hands.

886
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:56,520
Like, I know to your point, like this, this whole experience with Carl almost dying, like

887
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:02,640
it's a, and, and I was also amazed the amount of people that reached out being like, you

888
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:08,360
know, you know, didn't have the same situation, but like, Hey, we, you know, like my wife almost

889
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:14,220
bled out like my you know like like you you find out how many people go through things that you

890
01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:19,260
have absolutely no idea about and that change you in ways that you can't possibly imagine

891
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:26,560
and that shed new light on how you prioritize things and what actually matters and further

892
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:32,780
you realize to your point huddle like that boy you you have very little control like you can do

893
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:40,920
everything exactly right like carla like in a pregnancy like he eats well exercises is grounding

894
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,700
outside constantly in the sun like does all of the possible things you know avoiding all the

895
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:49,820
things you should avoid eating all the things you should eat doing all the right things and your

896
01:04:49,820 --> 01:04:54,700
fucking spleen explodes and it's a one in 10 million chance that you have a non-pathological

897
01:04:54,700 --> 01:05:01,180
splenic rupture and you're that you're that statistic like you're the one and so then it's

898
01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:04,220
It's like, well, fuck, okay.

899
01:05:04,660 --> 01:05:09,360
Then if that's the case, then maybe trying to control everything

900
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,380
and stressing about trying to control everything is not the path.

901
01:05:12,860 --> 01:05:15,220
Because even when you control all the things you can control,

902
01:05:15,500 --> 01:05:19,980
there are things so far outside of that control that will completely wreck you.

903
01:05:21,820 --> 01:05:27,940
And also, grateful to American paramedics and nurses and doctors

904
01:05:27,940 --> 01:05:31,120
and our incredible fucking healthcare system that is...

905
01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:33,620
Anywhere else in the world, she'd be dead also.

906
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,360
Like anywhere else in the world.

907
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:40,060
She would have been, they wouldn't have even gotten her in in the UK or in most places in Europe.

908
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,380
And that's the developed world.

909
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,720
Anywhere in the so-called third world, she's gone.

910
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,580
Most places in Europe, she's gone unless she got really lucky.

911
01:05:50,060 --> 01:05:53,140
But in America, she was saved.

912
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,180
And that is an incredible thing.

913
01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:59,140
I think this, just to put a button on this too, I think that.

914
01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:04,080
when you look at the situation we're describing

915
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:05,420
about the world we inhabit

916
01:06:05,420 --> 01:06:07,160
and the world we're going to continue inhabiting

917
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,180
and the way the shape of the future looks,

918
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,380
you're describing bondage.

919
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:12,800
We're in bondage, right?

920
01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:15,120
And the only way out of bondage

921
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,760
is great spiritual faith,

922
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,240
which leads to great courage.

923
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:21,560
And that's it.

924
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,420
There's nothing else.

925
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:24,600
You can't think your way out of it.

926
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,160
You have to have great spiritual faith

927
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,120
that you will win,

928
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,300
that God wants you to win, that you've been anointed to win.

929
01:06:31,940 --> 01:06:35,820
And then you have to have the courage to go do what God wants you to do.

930
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:36,460
That's it.

931
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:39,260
That's how every great revolution in history happened.

932
01:06:39,580 --> 01:06:40,120
All of them.

933
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,060
I think that we're reaching a point, at least this is a feeling,

934
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:52,160
like a purely vibes-based feeling, that we're reaching a point where

935
01:06:52,160 --> 01:07:02,260
you can only push people so far before they say enough and i think that we're kind of reaching

936
01:07:02,260 --> 01:07:08,300
that point you even look at we talked about you know case and and i think sometimes people uh eric

937
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:13,260
might be surprised to hear from you just because you know you're always you know fuck the state and

938
01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:18,260
all these things and like they they're like well then why is he so like pro-american why what is it

939
01:07:18,260 --> 01:07:23,740
because they can't possibly differentiate America, the idea, from America, the government.

940
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:32,520
But this issue that we have right now in America, I think, where you actually have so many people,

941
01:07:32,540 --> 01:07:35,900
you look at what's happening in New York right now with Mamdami and his multiple picks,

942
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,040
who are just blatantly American-hating communists.

943
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:41,140
They hate America.

944
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:47,040
like that is that is a really like it's it's insane to me that we've gotten to the point

945
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:54,060
where the ideology and and its implementation communism which has killed 100 million people

946
01:07:54,060 --> 01:08:02,040
in the last years 100 years conservatively is now like en vogue for people to just be like yeah i'm

947
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,520
a i'm a communist i'm a mark like but you know it's just insane that we're at that point and

948
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,860
that you have people who can be elected to office

949
01:08:08,860 --> 01:08:13,840
that will just trash talk the country that took them in.

950
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,140
Like, that's insane to me, and that is quite insidious, I think.

951
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,940
And I don't know how exactly you fix that,

952
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,420
but it probably is going to make a lot of people very unhappy

953
01:08:24,420 --> 01:08:26,920
because we'll have to start having some really uncomfortable conversations.

954
01:08:28,420 --> 01:08:34,360
I mean, I think, like, I get how all of this happened and played out

955
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:35,880
and all of the half-truths.

956
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:46,300
my audio just go off i might have accidentally tapped on the screen yeah i might have fucked it

957
01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:52,600
up that was my fat fingers sorry man uh no it's all right uh can you hear me now yep we got you

958
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:59,060
first time broadcasting sorry no no it's okay my first time too uh like it's understandable to me

959
01:08:59,060 --> 01:09:05,060
how yeah all the half truths that have like made up the current dialogue of like what and how

960
01:09:05,060 --> 01:09:11,160
Marxism is, like, got us to this place. And also, like, there's a lot of justification that can be

961
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:16,380
said around, like, what the American government and the military industrial complex has done,

962
01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:20,860
like, over the last hundred years. And, like, it's important to understand, like, there was this

963
01:09:20,860 --> 01:09:26,740
history, like, for the, you know, really, like, the first 80 years of the United States history,

964
01:09:26,740 --> 01:09:31,360
like, we didn't invade foreign countries. And then, like, this sort of imperialism sort of

965
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:39,480
metastasized on top of the American ideals, which like there's half truth to all these things.

966
01:09:39,480 --> 01:09:44,160
And to me, like this is part of sort of the larger revolutionary ideal that actually like set off

967
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:49,120
like really what was the liberal revolution? Like it came from a distinctly American idea.

968
01:09:49,420 --> 01:09:54,720
It was imported or exported to France where like the, you know, Thomas Jefferson was one of the key

969
01:09:54,720 --> 01:10:02,620
writers of like the rights of man as well. And it's this this radical idea that like men can

970
01:10:02,620 --> 01:10:08,480
choose amongst themselves what's best and good for themselves. And that like we we not only have

971
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:13,940
the capacity to do that, but we have the right to be able to do that. Like that's the thing that

972
01:10:13,940 --> 01:10:18,880
Americanism contains that I think is really important that like our Constitution is one

973
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:24,340
that purportedly is supposed to be based on ensuring that the government can't violate these

974
01:10:24,340 --> 01:10:29,140
certain principles. We've strayed a hell of a far ways away from it, but it's a pretty great ideal

975
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:33,320
to be striving towards and a hell of a lot better than any other document in human history that I

976
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:38,020
personally know of. But like, if you can find me the beautiful communist doctrine that actually

977
01:10:38,020 --> 01:10:44,280
ensures and justifies itself in a way. And like, I think all of this is interesting because like,

978
01:10:44,420 --> 01:10:50,420
I, there's a lot of important dialogue and understanding to be had around like what

979
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:54,1000
Marxism is, what communism is, what socialism is, like how all of these things function that like,

980
01:10:55,700 --> 01:11:00,940
it's really big and hefty and requires like a lot of thoughtful understanding and reading that,

981
01:11:00,940 --> 01:11:05,860
you know, I think 99.9% of people are unavailable for. So like, we're kind of stuck

982
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:09,820
in this stupid dialogue where like, we're always going to talk past each other.

983
01:11:09,980 --> 01:11:12,1000
And so unless people are really willing to sit down and have a sincere

984
01:11:12,1000 --> 01:11:18,740
intellectual dialogue, first and foremost, it's going to be difficult and fiery. But as long as

985
01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:22,260
we're trying to get to the truth yeah like i i don't think anything's really going to change

986
01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:33,860
like propaganda is going to reign supreme it seems that from a like a propaganda standpoint okay this

987
01:11:33,860 --> 01:11:41,460
is a a slight digression but also still on the topic of let's say americanism which is one of

988
01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:45,900
the most interesting things i've seen which is not even technically like purposeful propaganda

989
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:57,900
but just reality coming up to butt against people's propagandized beliefs is the incredible instance of the World Cup in the US.

990
01:11:57,900 --> 01:11:58,900
Yeah.

991
01:11:58,900 --> 01:12:03,900
Where you have all of these, mainly like Europeans, but like people from all over the world obviously.

992
01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:15,900
But like seeing people come and be like, holy shit mate, like what, what, what, whatever, you know, expressions they say to, you know,

993
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:20,900
exclaim in various countries like the UK. But like coming here and being like, holy shit,

994
01:12:20,980 --> 01:12:27,780
wait a minute. Maybe everything I've been told about America isn't true. I guess it's not as

995
01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:33,520
awful as everyone said. And it's like, oh my God, you're right. Like no shit. Maybe there's a reason

996
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:39,320
that all of your highest achieving people have been trying to come here for a long time, right?

997
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,900
Maybe there's a reason like that everybody still wants to come here despite this capitalist hell

998
01:12:43,900 --> 01:12:48,420
hole that apparently it is still all the communists want to come it doesn't make any sense but like

999
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:52,100
it's the reality but like i feel like this is radicalizing for people you know what i mean

1000
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:58,580
because they go back home with stories now but mate america not what we were told huh they don't

1001
01:12:58,580 --> 01:13:04,780
even have pakistani muslim rape gangs roaming the streets in it you know like i don't know it's it

1002
01:13:04,780 --> 01:13:10,780
feels like a it feels like an important moment that will only be seen as so important perhaps

1003
01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:15,300
after the fact the euros have this totally wrong perception of us that like they think that we're

1004
01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:19,720
all like i don't know like we got guns all the time and stuff and it's like i don't know where

1005
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:24,700
they get this idea it doesn't make sense to me and i'm just like i'm thinking to myself i'm like

1006
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:29,600
okay like why do you think we all walk around like with just a gun in our hands all day long

1007
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:36,760
it's like so weird and uh what one thing that's been great to see about the europeans is or i think

1008
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,960
the big thing when you go when you go over there versus when you go over here is like the euros

1009
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:48,760
have realized just how rich america is like america is so prosperous right and you go down to tuscaloosa

1010
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:55,040
alabama and people are fucking prospering right and we all we all sit around and talk about how

1011
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:59,300
poor we are all the time and how we're not dollar doesn't go as far as it used to right all that

1012
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:04,620
kind of shit but uh when you go over to europe man they are desperately poor there's so much

1013
01:14:04,620 --> 01:14:10,460
poorer than you think they are um like i like there was there's this chicken shop in the uk

1014
01:14:10,460 --> 01:14:15,860
everybody likes called nando's and it's like you know the rap all the drill rappers chicken nando's

1015
01:14:15,860 --> 01:14:19,500
yeah so so i was like i'm gonna go to nando's because you know i heard all the drill rappers

1016
01:14:19,500 --> 01:14:22,620
talk about it i told a bunch of people i was going to nando's i'm like i'm going to nando's

1017
01:14:22,620 --> 01:14:29,680
and they're like i might be expensive isn't it and i was like is it and they're like yeah it's

1018
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:34,280
expensive as hell and i got over there i order a bunch of shit just whatever i want you know

1019
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:58,740
I'm like, I'll take this. I'll take that fucking one of those. Give me some sauce. And the lady's like, it'll be 22, 22 pounds. You know, I was like, okay, so just like a normal amount of money for lunch. Then I don't, why did everyone tell me it was so expensive? You know, it's because they're poor. They're legit. And like, I feel bad for them. Like they shouldn't be poor. They're, they're not poor because of a moral failing.

1020
01:14:58,740 --> 01:15:04,020
they're poor because their government has stepped on their fucking necks and is over regulated them

1021
01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:08,200
and has not allowed them to prosper that's why they're poor and we're going to become like them

1022
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:13,280
the more we do socialism you know i also when i'm over in europe i have this like thought where i'm

1023
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:36,148
just like am i looking into a future of america is this america future everything in decay and everybody poor and they like you know just sort of like medicating their pain away and everything a little like violent sketchy you know what i mean i don know man all i know it ain like they told you about america y okay you i i don

1024
01:15:36,148 --> 01:15:41,148
know this see this is why it's great to stream this on noster because i'm i'm i'm not sure what

1025
01:15:41,148 --> 01:15:47,348
youtube's policy on uh on the right to carry in bear arms is but we're about to find out later

1026
01:15:47,348 --> 01:15:49,768
This is not a real gun.

1027
01:15:50,068 --> 01:15:50,308
Okay.

1028
01:15:50,468 --> 01:15:50,808
It's a,

1029
01:15:51,068 --> 01:15:51,628
thank goodness.

1030
01:15:51,948 --> 01:15:54,348
It's a replica replica toy.

1031
01:15:54,548 --> 01:15:54,988
Yeah.

1032
01:15:55,228 --> 01:15:55,428
Yeah.

1033
01:15:55,528 --> 01:15:55,928
Perfect.

1034
01:15:56,108 --> 01:15:58,888
I have many replica guns as well.

1035
01:15:58,988 --> 01:15:59,428
It's empty.

1036
01:15:59,548 --> 01:16:00,148
There we go.

1037
01:16:00,208 --> 01:16:01,188
There's no mag in it.

1038
01:16:01,308 --> 01:16:02,048
It's fake.

1039
01:16:02,868 --> 01:16:03,668
If the,

1040
01:16:03,768 --> 01:16:07,468
if the algorithmic overlords are,

1041
01:16:07,528 --> 01:16:10,208
are hearing this and reading this transcript right now,

1042
01:16:10,228 --> 01:16:12,288
just know that this was all just a funny joke.

1043
01:16:12,288 --> 01:16:16,548
This was actually American huddle identifies as an unloaded gun.

1044
01:16:16,548 --> 01:16:23,028
so this is part of his self-expression actually uh he's trans firearm or something i don't know

1045
01:16:23,028 --> 01:16:28,108
well and so like what's this whole thing that like we have to like you're not doing anything

1046
01:16:28,108 --> 01:16:34,308
illegal but like we know it'll get us banned from pretty much every platform and so like there's

1047
01:16:34,308 --> 01:16:40,728
already this this extraordinary degree of censorship that's going on like we can't we can't even speak

1048
01:16:40,728 --> 01:16:46,468
unspeakable things even though like you know we could utter whatever racist and derogatory

1049
01:16:46,468 --> 01:16:50,488
terms that we would want to hear it would be a bit lowbrow but it would maybe prove the point

1050
01:16:50,488 --> 01:16:57,288
but it's more of that like what's happened with this policing of language with this persecution

1051
01:16:57,288 --> 01:17:03,548
of thought uh and like how much has that drift into this particular subset of a reality been

1052
01:17:03,548 --> 01:17:09,308
part of that programming and controlling that's really part of a spiritual suffering and like it's

1053
01:17:09,308 --> 01:17:15,668
uh it's probably the most profound and deep thing that i think everyone feels and understands and

1054
01:17:16,468 --> 01:17:22,568
uh yeah like it's truly it's truly the deepest suffering that i think there is and i think that

1055
01:17:22,568 --> 01:17:26,328
all people today probably share but i think it's much more the youth because like the

1056
01:17:26,328 --> 01:17:33,868
the totalizing foreclosure on the future like there there was a some podcast recently like

1057
01:17:33,868 --> 01:17:39,788
danny knolls posted a clip uh i think it was danny who posted it uh of these guys talking about how

1058
01:17:39,788 --> 01:17:44,548
like give up on trying to like own a home like why would you want to do that and like the i don't

1059
01:17:44,548 --> 01:17:49,588
it's just so profoundly sad it's like you you're like you're a surf again like you don't you don't

1060
01:17:49,588 --> 01:17:54,308
even own your fucking land and like what what can you ever build or develop for yourself like how do

1061
01:17:54,308 --> 01:17:58,388
you how do you ever really integrate into a community when like you're you're always can

1062
01:17:58,388 --> 01:18:03,188
be kicked off the land at any point in time and like you can't you can't upgrade your shitty

1063
01:18:03,188 --> 01:18:07,988
faucet because you don't actually own it you know why even plant a fruit tree like you'll you won't

1064
01:18:07,988 --> 01:18:13,428
be there to actually bear the fruit of it and it's like there's there's this sort of hatefulness

1065
01:18:13,428 --> 01:18:18,488
that's baked itself into the totalizing defeat of like, why even believe in God?

1066
01:18:18,628 --> 01:18:21,828
Like, what could you get from that other than more suffering?

1067
01:18:22,048 --> 01:18:26,588
And it's like, I understand you, homie, but like, fuck, man.

1068
01:18:26,728 --> 01:18:28,988
Like, I'm sorry it's so dark out there for you.

1069
01:18:29,068 --> 01:18:30,228
And I get it for most people.

1070
01:18:30,328 --> 01:18:35,188
Like, they don't see the radical empowerment that they could get from something like Bitcoin

1071
01:18:35,188 --> 01:18:41,508
or like AI or like how it opens up these new frontiers and possibilities that, you know,

1072
01:18:41,508 --> 01:18:46,008
can deliver their wildest dreams and then some but they can't even look at it because they're so

1073
01:18:46,008 --> 01:18:50,088
defeated you know and it's that's part of what has people hand themselves over to communism

1074
01:18:50,088 --> 01:18:55,008
like i like i'll never be special and unique so might as well put myself in with the sludge

1075
01:18:55,008 --> 01:19:00,968
at least like i'll i'll get i'll get my little piece like i'll at least get to have some tiny

1076
01:19:00,968 --> 01:19:07,468
little one bedroom block within a soviet tower in new york right like that's that's better than

1077
01:19:07,468 --> 01:19:09,468
what I've been offered by this current paradigm.

1078
01:19:09,688 --> 01:19:09,968
Yeah.

1079
01:19:10,468 --> 01:19:11,328
It's fucking sad.

1080
01:19:11,928 --> 01:19:12,648
This is the problem.

1081
01:19:12,788 --> 01:19:13,248
This is my,

1082
01:19:14,448 --> 01:19:15,068
Carla's dad,

1083
01:19:15,108 --> 01:19:15,848
my father-in-law,

1084
01:19:16,268 --> 01:19:17,968
he was a defector from communism.

1085
01:19:19,028 --> 01:19:19,788
I got,

1086
01:19:20,428 --> 01:19:20,648
you know,

1087
01:19:20,708 --> 01:19:21,148
back in,

1088
01:19:21,228 --> 01:19:21,828
back in those days,

1089
01:19:21,888 --> 01:19:24,948
like you got polygraphed by the FBI for a couple of weeks when you were a

1090
01:19:24,948 --> 01:19:25,728
communist defector.

1091
01:19:25,768 --> 01:19:26,428
Cause they were like,

1092
01:19:26,748 --> 01:19:27,308
okay,

1093
01:19:27,488 --> 01:19:28,068
defector,

1094
01:19:28,148 --> 01:19:28,348
wink,

1095
01:19:28,428 --> 01:19:28,668
wink.

1096
01:19:28,868 --> 01:19:29,088
Right.

1097
01:19:29,148 --> 01:19:29,408
Like we,

1098
01:19:29,548 --> 01:19:29,788
you know,

1099
01:19:29,808 --> 01:19:29,928
we,

1100
01:19:29,968 --> 01:19:33,048
we used to have a little healthy skepticism about these things,

1101
01:19:33,128 --> 01:19:36,768
but it tells me like this was the fundamental problem.

1102
01:19:36,888 --> 01:19:37,128
I mean,

1103
01:19:37,128 --> 01:19:49,328
One of the many fundamental problems with communism, though, is when you do not have private property, when you do not have ownership of anything, when all ownership is collective, nobody is incentivized to actually make things better.

1104
01:19:49,768 --> 01:19:51,588
You make things better because you own them.

1105
01:19:52,008 --> 01:19:58,008
To your point, Cason, you're never going to plant a fruit tree in a rented yard, right?

1106
01:19:58,008 --> 01:20:05,128
You're going to plant a fruit tree when you own it, when your children can sit under the shade of that tree and eat from its fruit.

1107
01:20:05,128 --> 01:20:07,548
Like that's when you will plant a fruit because you know it is yours.

1108
01:20:07,588 --> 01:20:16,748
And even if you rent it from the government, right, even if the government, if you don't pay your taxes, they'll come and they'll take it from you with a, you know, they'll bring a SWAT team if you don't pay the, you know, pay the government long enough.

1109
01:20:17,008 --> 01:20:19,068
But this is the fundamental problem.

1110
01:20:19,128 --> 01:20:21,048
This is why everything in communism disintegrates.

1111
01:20:21,088 --> 01:20:28,968
This is why everything in communism falls into disrepair is because there is no incentive for people to take care of collective property.

1112
01:20:29,708 --> 01:20:33,328
Maybe in small enough groups, maybe underneath Dunbar's number, right?

1113
01:20:33,328 --> 01:20:39,168
Maybe, yes, not denying that, but now we're talking about communes, not communism, right?

1114
01:20:39,628 --> 01:20:44,148
And so as soon as you have things that are just, everyone owns it.

1115
01:20:44,448 --> 01:20:47,028
Well, then it's like, okay, well, then I'm going to take a shit over there.

1116
01:20:47,408 --> 01:20:49,408
And everything falls in disrepair.

1117
01:20:49,768 --> 01:20:50,688
Everything disintegrates.

1118
01:20:51,188 --> 01:20:59,488
You, as a society, you need private property in order for people to be incentivized to improve what they own.

1119
01:20:59,988 --> 01:21:01,628
Otherwise, they will not do it.

1120
01:21:01,628 --> 01:21:05,968
there was this i can't help but think of where we started in the beginning talking about like the

1121
01:21:05,968 --> 01:21:11,728
love for everybody and like the same thing like how can you really love anyone if you're loving

1122
01:21:11,728 --> 01:21:18,168
everyone you can't it's like um there was this discourse on x to took place a couple i don't

1123
01:21:18,168 --> 01:21:22,868
maybe a year ago where there were these articles that were written that said you know black

1124
01:21:22,868 --> 01:21:27,788
neighborhoods don't have shade and it's racist because they don't have trees they don't have

1125
01:21:27,788 --> 01:21:33,168
shade. Everything's a little hotter, makes people a little angrier, increases violence, whatever,

1126
01:21:33,288 --> 01:21:39,128
whatever. And it's racism that's doing this. And the response from people was like, okay,

1127
01:21:39,248 --> 01:21:43,328
well, just go plant trees. Like fucking, if black people want trees in these neighborhoods,

1128
01:21:43,968 --> 01:21:47,528
plant trees. And black people were like, how are we supposed to plant trees when we don't own the

1129
01:21:47,528 --> 01:21:52,348
neighborhood? Right? And it's like, okay, it's actually a compelling point because if you are

1130
01:21:52,348 --> 01:21:58,608
a renter you're not going to plant a tree but you could how much does a tree cost just go plant a

1131
01:21:58,608 --> 01:22:03,528
fucking tree you know especially if you live in a place where shit grows like look at look at where

1132
01:22:03,528 --> 01:22:08,728
eric is you can just throw seeds in eric's backyard and shit will just fucking grow right so if you're

1133
01:22:08,728 --> 01:22:13,568
in one of those places just toss some seeds around the cost of it is zero i so i don't understand

1134
01:22:13,568 --> 01:22:18,528
where the thinking comes from that like you can't have shade if you want shade but it is actually an

1135
01:22:18,528 --> 01:22:24,368
interesting metaphor, the shade of a tree, because, you know, it's like, okay, as an individual,

1136
01:22:24,368 --> 01:22:29,228
if you want to have a good life, you have to delay gratification and you have to like, you know,

1137
01:22:29,228 --> 01:22:32,368
the tree is a metaphor. You plant the tree when you're young, you sit under a shade when you're

1138
01:22:32,368 --> 01:22:38,428
old, you give it to your descendants, you pass it on. And societies grow great when men plant trees

1139
01:22:38,428 --> 01:22:43,248
under whose shade they'll never sit. So you, you have a tragedy of the commons, right? And you

1140
01:22:43,248 --> 01:22:48,228
decide I'm going to get over the tragedy of the commons by giving, by giving to others. I'm good.

1141
01:22:48,228 --> 01:22:49,728
I'm going to be Johnny fucking Appleseed.

1142
01:22:49,768 --> 01:22:51,908
I'm going around throwing Appleseeds all over the fucking place.

1143
01:22:52,348 --> 01:22:54,468
That was a real guy who did that in America.

1144
01:22:54,708 --> 01:22:55,108
Real person.

1145
01:22:55,288 --> 01:22:57,268
And he was just like, I'm Johnny fucking Appleseeds.

1146
01:22:57,288 --> 01:22:58,528
I'm throwing Appleseeds, right?

1147
01:22:58,908 --> 01:22:59,828
And he just took it upon him.

1148
01:22:59,828 --> 01:23:01,408
Undiagnosed autism also.

1149
01:23:01,628 --> 01:23:02,448
He definitely was autistic.

1150
01:23:02,948 --> 01:23:07,268
But he took it upon himself to be Johnny fucking Appleseed and just throw Appleseeds everywhere.

1151
01:23:08,028 --> 01:23:12,088
And he's a legend now in American folklore because of that behavior.

1152
01:23:12,408 --> 01:23:17,168
And there are actual apple trees that you can trace to this guy, right?

1153
01:23:17,168 --> 01:23:39,788
So, I mean, that's just a great example. And I think there's like this thing Eric was talking about, like the parasitic, you know, elite class, right? The elite class didn't used to be parasitic. I mean, they be obscenely wealthy. They used to be rich beyond all measure. But they did give back Carnegie and Rockefeller.

1154
01:23:39,788 --> 01:23:43,748
and you can question the method in which they gave back and say it wasn't appropriate,

1155
01:23:43,888 --> 01:23:49,788
the Vanderbilts, but they did give back and they felt like, you know, that was part of their

1156
01:23:49,788 --> 01:23:54,068
like sort of credo because they were Christian men, most of them. I mean, like Rockefeller was

1157
01:23:54,068 --> 01:23:59,628
a devout Baptist, right, for instance, and they felt that it was their ethic to, you know, help

1158
01:23:59,628 --> 01:24:05,048
others and help the commons in general to bring people up. And now it seems like we live in this

1159
01:24:05,048 --> 01:24:10,468
world where all the billionaires build bunkers to get away from people you know and if they do give

1160
01:24:10,468 --> 01:24:15,728
you know 100 million dollars to this or that where does it go it goes it goes poof basically like you

1161
01:24:15,728 --> 01:24:21,948
never actually see it whereas you can go into a carnegie library in the midwest in a small town

1162
01:24:21,948 --> 01:24:27,808
today and they're still there right and they're they're amazing little local libraries that have

1163
01:24:27,808 --> 01:24:33,788
acted as a lifeblood for these towns for a hundred a hundred years now that's a great legacy so people

1164
01:24:33,788 --> 01:24:38,028
are like, Carnegie was a piece of shit. I don't care. He built libraries, dude. Fuck you. Right.

1165
01:24:38,448 --> 01:24:41,688
But if you're like Mark Zuckerberg, the piece of shit, I'm going to be like, yeah, he is. Fuck him.

1166
01:24:43,408 --> 01:24:48,668
Like what the thing that I struggle to understand is like, how the fuck has San Francisco produced

1167
01:24:48,668 --> 01:24:53,368
so many billionaires and not one of those assholes has just been like, you know what? I'm going to

1168
01:24:53,368 --> 01:24:57,768
renovate the Sutro Baths, one of the most incredible fucking landmarks that San Francisco

1169
01:24:57,768 --> 01:25:03,068
go ahead. Like, I just don't get it. Like the amount of good that they would do for their

1170
01:25:03,068 --> 01:25:09,388
reputation is insane. And it's just like, I don't know. Anyways, that's my first major project.

1171
01:25:09,648 --> 01:25:14,048
We're actually we're actually actively hostile to charity, too. Right. Like the DEI era showed

1172
01:25:14,048 --> 01:25:18,268
that, like, it actually doesn't matter how much good you did. If you did one wrong thing in the

1173
01:25:18,268 --> 01:25:23,708
path. Oh, Eric said the end. We're on a podcast. Take his name off the building. Right. It destroys

1174
01:25:23,708 --> 01:25:28,828
charity it destroys it because like and also if you live in california why the fuck should you do

1175
01:25:28,828 --> 01:25:34,028
charity you you pay 60 of your income government you know they should be fucking doing the charity

1176
01:25:34,028 --> 01:25:39,828
but they don't they just pocket all the money so yeah again these these communists these are all

1177
01:25:39,828 --> 01:25:43,668
feedback loops and they're negative feedback loops that's that's why the systems don't work

1178
01:25:43,668 --> 01:25:52,448
you know i think it gets worse before it gets better too like it it feels as though things are

1179
01:25:52,448 --> 01:26:01,288
coming to a bit of a head uh and i don't know go ahead like 2028 in the reactionary ism like the

1180
01:26:01,288 --> 01:26:06,928
like the the irony is is that like this trojan horse thing is like a two-way street and so like

1181
01:26:06,928 --> 01:26:11,928
we're captured up with all the crypto motherfuckers too and like they're they're they're gonna come to

1182
01:26:11,928 --> 01:26:18,588
like this is not gonna be pretty and so like i'm i'm pretty sure that like in that like like when i

1183
01:26:18,588 --> 01:26:23,148
get black bagged like you guys should take that as like a good sign to like get going uh because

1184
01:26:23,148 --> 01:26:29,348
like i've already sort of admitted that like that's probably coming yeah exactly so like like

1185
01:26:29,348 --> 01:26:35,808
try to come and take it it's gonna be fun but uh it's fucked up but like this is part of the reality

1186
01:26:35,808 --> 01:26:41,028
we live within and we should probably actually like try to preempt all this before it goes down

1187
01:26:41,028 --> 01:26:45,768
and like that's that's the whole reason i'm being pedantic about this cryptography ai organization

1188
01:26:45,768 --> 01:26:49,168
thing, there's an ability to do it.

1189
01:26:49,168 --> 01:26:51,668
And I think it's really important.

1190
01:26:51,668 --> 01:27:07,476
And the gap we have here is pretty small And so I think it really important that people sort of try to recognize and self themselves and i don know i keep hoping that like something will just kind of

1191
01:27:07,476 --> 01:27:14,276
blossom on its own but maybe not it's uh it's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out

1192
01:27:14,276 --> 01:27:21,816
uh you know eric perhaps now we've we've gone around enough for you to talk about vora a little

1193
01:27:21,816 --> 01:27:27,376
bit because somebody uh keith mula did say in the nostr chat completely off topic and i'm not

1194
01:27:27,376 --> 01:27:31,336
looking for more than a one sentence answer for a question for eric i joined the vora wait list

1195
01:27:31,336 --> 01:27:37,496
many moons ago before aegis do i need to join again for aegis and then also eric what is vora

1196
01:27:37,496 --> 01:27:45,796
while while we're here you know yeah so aegis is uh the actual piece of hardware that vora is going

1197
01:27:45,796 --> 01:27:49,696
to be shipping and so vora is the company that i co-founded with my best friend and co-founder

1198
01:27:49,696 --> 01:27:54,156
Jesse Posner, we met a decade ago at Coinbase.

1199
01:27:54,576 --> 01:27:56,196
And like our first paragraph of conversation

1200
01:27:56,196 --> 01:27:59,816
started talking about Carl Schmitt and Heidegger and Bitcoin.

1201
01:28:00,196 --> 01:28:02,896
So like that's the predication of our whole relationship.

1202
01:28:03,716 --> 01:28:05,256
To Keith real quick, like thanks for signing up.

1203
01:28:05,556 --> 01:28:06,576
You should probably sign up again.

1204
01:28:06,676 --> 01:28:07,816
We're switching waitlist

1205
01:28:07,816 --> 01:28:09,376
because we're going to start this big marketing push

1206
01:28:09,376 --> 01:28:11,656
because yeah, we're essentially building

1207
01:28:11,656 --> 01:28:13,436
and it's been really hard to describe,

1208
01:28:13,536 --> 01:28:16,216
but it's really this new class of AI hardware.

1209
01:28:16,496 --> 01:28:17,816
And I kind of figured out like

1210
01:28:17,816 --> 01:28:19,456
we're kind of building the first real

1211
01:28:19,696 --> 01:28:24,976
like ai hardware harness because at the end of the day uh like our hardware is going to

1212
01:28:24,976 --> 01:28:31,856
cryptographically verify and offer attestation to it through the hardware directly of a privilege

1213
01:28:31,856 --> 01:28:38,496
separated architecture uh so this actually solves in ai something that's called the lethal trifecta

1214
01:28:38,496 --> 01:28:42,576
which more or less is like if you give your ai read and write capacibilities and like they can

1215
01:28:42,576 --> 01:28:48,096
search the internet and they have the ability to like read private data you can like prompt inject

1216
01:28:48,096 --> 01:28:54,176
anyone uh and like prompt injection is like an inherent linguistic feature of like how reading

1217
01:28:54,176 --> 01:29:00,016
itself operates like it's you you can't solve this by any degree of filtering you actually have to

1218
01:29:00,016 --> 01:29:06,656
have like architecture that is designed not to talk to one another and so jesse and his brilliance

1219
01:29:06,656 --> 01:29:13,056
has developed an entire secure system that offers the ability for hardware to testify to itself with

1220
01:29:13,056 --> 01:29:15,636
with this privileged separated architecture

1221
01:29:15,636 --> 01:29:17,036
and he's built all the software with it.

1222
01:29:17,036 --> 01:29:21,436
So I've been messing around really with like,

1223
01:29:21,436 --> 01:29:22,736
we've really kind of birthed this thing

1224
01:29:22,736 --> 01:29:23,656
in the last few weeks.

1225
01:29:23,656 --> 01:29:25,696
We've been planning it for about the last year,

1226
01:29:25,696 --> 01:29:28,956
but like the software, the pieces of hardware,

1227
01:29:28,956 --> 01:29:32,656
dialing in like the actual open source AI that we want

1228
01:29:32,656 --> 01:29:35,176
and like the software suite,

1229
01:29:35,176 --> 01:29:37,616
like components of it will be open source

1230
01:29:37,616 --> 01:29:40,376
and source available for that, which is an open source

1231
01:29:40,376 --> 01:29:46,556
because it's like a really powerful methodology to be able to actually like use AI with really

1232
01:29:46,556 --> 01:29:52,216
private and sensitive data that like you will be targeted and prompt injected. And even if you have

1233
01:29:52,216 --> 01:29:57,016
decent filtering, like you are going to get fucked at some point in time. So you really have to start

1234
01:29:57,016 --> 01:30:01,676
treating your own private data with the same sensitivity as Bitcoin private keys. And that's

1235
01:30:01,676 --> 01:30:07,936
kind of where we started out and what we're trying to build. And so we hired an amazing head of

1236
01:30:07,936 --> 01:30:12,996
hardware uh nicholas george who he's been helping us like on the hardware side we finally started

1237
01:30:12,996 --> 01:30:21,236
dialing that in locking it in uh yeah and we have designs and specs and so we're looking at

1238
01:30:21,236 --> 01:30:28,156
we really see this as kind of like the that the 1975 apple play that like in in 1975 nobody saw

1239
01:30:28,156 --> 01:30:31,796
that there was going to be this need for a personal computer that was kind of crazy

1240
01:30:31,796 --> 01:30:36,696
and so like we see the same need that like there's going to be a need for like a personal

1241
01:30:36,696 --> 01:30:42,356
methodology of AI. And speaking to the Tesla robots, like you're going to need to have great

1242
01:30:42,356 --> 01:30:50,456
isolated high grade security if you want to protect your robot's private keys and make

1243
01:30:50,456 --> 01:30:55,056
sure that your robot isn't going to smother you in the middle of the night. So this is our whole

1244
01:30:55,056 --> 01:30:59,596
sort of brainchild project that we've been working on. And Aegis, which is actually the name of Athena

1245
01:30:59,596 --> 01:31:06,636
Shield, is because we believe that it shields you and your capacity and cognitive understanding

1246
01:31:06,636 --> 01:31:11,716
of the world from how it's going to be infected by essentially corporate AI and the propaganda

1247
01:31:11,716 --> 01:31:15,796
that is going to really be kind of what it is moving forward.

1248
01:31:17,336 --> 01:31:18,916
Dude, love it.

1249
01:31:19,036 --> 01:31:22,536
And Keith, you got more than one sentence from Eric.

1250
01:31:22,656 --> 01:31:24,256
So you're welcome for that.

1251
01:31:25,716 --> 01:31:28,096
Guys, I've kept you a little bit over time already.

1252
01:31:28,496 --> 01:31:29,396
You're both busy dudes.

1253
01:31:29,496 --> 01:31:30,956
I appreciate you both very much.

1254
01:31:31,456 --> 01:31:35,876
I would like to ask, what do you think the chances are of us starting an air conditioning

1255
01:31:35,876 --> 01:31:39,916
distribution business for Europe as the last talking point.

1256
01:31:40,116 --> 01:31:41,176
Are you guys into it?

1257
01:31:41,196 --> 01:31:42,316
Is this something you'd invest in?

1258
01:31:42,416 --> 01:31:44,956
Because I think I've got the networks already.

1259
01:31:45,116 --> 01:31:46,776
We've got the products already exist, guys.

1260
01:31:46,816 --> 01:31:48,616
This seems like wide open green pasture.

1261
01:31:49,216 --> 01:31:53,156
Like, you know, I'm going to pivot from being, you know, a Bitcoin guy into a European air

1262
01:31:53,156 --> 01:31:55,516
conditioning guy and just save them from themselves.

1263
01:31:56,236 --> 01:31:56,636
Thoughts?

1264
01:31:57,156 --> 01:31:57,296
Okay.

1265
01:31:57,656 --> 01:31:59,936
There's two routes we could go with this company.

1266
01:32:00,776 --> 01:32:02,476
We smuggle in air cons.

1267
01:32:02,596 --> 01:32:03,836
That's what they call them over in Europe.

1268
01:32:03,956 --> 01:32:05,236
We smuggle in air cons.

1269
01:32:05,236 --> 01:32:11,556
okay or we smuggle in guns and then we let them buy their own air conditioners you know

1270
01:32:11,556 --> 01:32:18,816
i'm just saying we smuggle in smuggling guns inside the ac units perhaps you know what i mean

1271
01:32:18,816 --> 01:32:23,496
like there maybe that's the full american experience right there you go season guns

1272
01:32:23,496 --> 01:32:29,356
europe will rise again with ac and guns this is what they need this is the freedom what's this

1273
01:32:29,356 --> 01:32:35,956
they deserve this palette says it's air conditioners yeah they look like ar-15s i mean

1274
01:32:35,956 --> 01:32:41,736
they get it's a whole thing they get to the air conditioners eventually something about getting

1275
01:32:41,736 --> 01:32:48,596
iced i think there's a joke in there somewhere yeah but dudes appreciate is there anything else

1276
01:32:48,596 --> 01:32:55,916
you guys want to want to leave folks with uh and people should check out vora also uh vora.io right

1277
01:32:55,916 --> 01:33:04,236
Kaysen? Yes, Vora.io. Yeah, and I can't say enough about how brilliant and thoughtful my

1278
01:33:04,236 --> 01:33:08,076
co-founder is, and, you know, he's been the technical lead on this whole thing, and so

1279
01:33:08,076 --> 01:33:14,936
he has done a profound job doing it, and I feel very, yeah, I feel very lucky to be working on

1280
01:33:14,936 --> 01:33:21,176
something so powerful and thoughtful with him, so. Jesse's awesome. I want to hang out with Jesse

1281
01:33:21,176 --> 01:33:23,136
more. We only

1282
01:33:23,136 --> 01:33:25,196
done one pod together, you know, and I've been itching

1283
01:33:25,196 --> 01:33:26,056
for more since.

1284
01:33:27,136 --> 01:33:28,656
We'll make it happen at some point.

1285
01:33:29,276 --> 01:33:30,136
Let's do it.

1286
01:33:30,956 --> 01:33:33,116
Hoto, what's up with you?

1287
01:33:33,536 --> 01:33:35,176
You got your moped business

1288
01:33:35,176 --> 01:33:36,616
still going well, or what's the deal?

1289
01:33:37,976 --> 01:33:39,276
I would like to leave

1290
01:33:39,276 --> 01:33:41,176
the audience with my childlike

1291
01:33:41,176 --> 01:33:43,136
sense of wonder and whimsy.

1292
01:33:43,696 --> 01:33:44,836
Stay whimsical, y'all.

1293
01:33:45,176 --> 01:33:46,996
Okay? It's important.

1294
01:33:47,816 --> 01:33:48,996
Don't lose your whimsy

1295
01:33:48,996 --> 01:33:50,996
during the dark times.

1296
01:33:51,176 --> 01:33:56,096
So, just like, go out there and like do some skips, you know?

1297
01:33:57,136 --> 01:33:57,976
Bear in a rainbow.

1298
01:33:59,476 --> 01:34:01,436
Pick up a butterfly, you know what I mean?

1299
01:34:01,956 --> 01:34:03,856
That's what I'd like to leave you guys with.

1300
01:34:05,276 --> 01:34:08,156
Man, do some whimsical skedaddling, you know?

1301
01:34:09,056 --> 01:34:10,096
Just get after it.

1302
01:34:11,556 --> 01:34:12,396
It is the best.

1303
01:34:12,436 --> 01:34:14,816
This is like one of the great things about having kids, right?

1304
01:34:14,856 --> 01:34:15,756
And you guys both know this.

1305
01:34:15,836 --> 01:34:19,056
You're both farther along this journey than I am or further along this journey than I am.

1306
01:34:19,056 --> 01:34:24,776
I hate when I misuse further farther excuse me fucking idiot but um like you you start to

1307
01:34:24,776 --> 01:34:30,316
appreciate you're like holy shit like yeah that is a fucking crazy cloud or like yeah we're growing

1308
01:34:30,316 --> 01:34:34,136
strawberries right now and my son every time there's like they're they're just starting to

1309
01:34:34,136 --> 01:34:39,416
come ripe in bunches right now but it's been like one strawberry at a time and you know every day is

1310
01:34:39,416 --> 01:34:42,956
like I want to go to the garden and see if there's any strawberries that are ready you know

1311
01:34:42,956 --> 01:34:47,556
walk over there and like none of them are ripe yet but he just like well still he's like this

1312
01:34:47,556 --> 01:34:52,476
one looks pretty good like picks it picks it off like it's still like green you know like and i've

1313
01:34:52,476 --> 01:34:56,256
and he'll you know he's fed these green ones to me they are sour as hell but he just loves it and

1314
01:34:56,256 --> 01:35:01,736
he's like like like it's it's a strawberry that i can just pick and i can eat it's not from the

1315
01:35:01,736 --> 01:35:06,856
store and it's like yeah that is fucking cool man like that's fucking cool going down that slide is

1316
01:35:06,856 --> 01:35:11,096
fucking cool looking at that butterfly that lightning bug that's fucking cool so yeah amen

1317
01:35:11,096 --> 01:35:16,676
to that do not lose your sense of whimsy and uh and when you see somebody else experiencing the

1318
01:35:16,676 --> 01:35:22,276
wonderful whimsy of the world tap right into that because it's a beautiful thing it's so it's so true

1319
01:35:22,276 --> 01:35:27,396
i i act more like a toddler when i hang out with my toddlers than they like i don't act like an

1320
01:35:27,396 --> 01:35:32,496
adult i'm just i just act like one of them i like fully regressed to four-year-old you know

1321
01:35:32,496 --> 01:35:42,076
it's so much fun i love it it's a beautiful thing well guys i appreciate both of your time

1322
01:35:42,076 --> 01:35:49,056
always a treat i appreciate everybody who tuned into this on noster these are always the highest

1323
01:35:49,056 --> 01:35:53,556
viewership of any of the noster live streams i do when i get you guys on here thank you guys for

1324
01:35:53,556 --> 01:35:58,496
the zaps that you sent i appreciate you sending especially in a in a bear market where bitcoin's

1325
01:35:58,496 --> 01:36:03,956
dead i appreciate all of you all thank you guys likewise thanks for people that listen in it's

1326
01:36:03,956 --> 01:36:09,336
always it's always great to meet people in the flesh and yeah i sound angry but like the the

1327
01:36:09,336 --> 01:36:13,576
future is bright and wonderful and yeah don't lose your whimsy i was checking out a scorpion

1328
01:36:13,576 --> 01:36:19,796
with kids yesterday it was pretty cool so go find some of that california shit man and you know

1329
01:36:19,796 --> 01:36:26,156
that's that's wild scorpion we just i will leave you with this one is that when me and it was me

1330
01:36:26,156 --> 01:36:35,196
eric our friend sam and uh curtis yarvin on the uber together in in casual on our way to the beef

1331
01:36:35,196 --> 01:36:40,596
steak and i was i was up front or like in the back in the front i could see the the uber driver

1332
01:36:40,596 --> 01:36:48,056
and he was just going what the fuck like he couldn't conceptualize what he was hearing in

1333
01:36:48,056 --> 01:36:53,956
the car and he was like it was just like so far out of his scope of reference like any of the

1334
01:36:53,956 --> 01:36:59,716
conversation because it was all insane you know like insane conversation and uh those are those

1335
01:36:59,716 --> 01:37:03,736
are the best times i love i love like getting together with eric and you know talking shit and

1336
01:37:03,736 --> 01:37:09,716
you walker so much fun yeah it's good times yeah i love you both it's good look forward to the next

1337
01:37:09,716 --> 01:37:15,436
time i see you guys in meat space yeah yeah uh looking forward to get getting back out there in

1338
01:37:15,436 --> 01:37:20,956
the meat space once uh once we get this this baby this baby out the door and uh hopefully we have

1339
01:37:20,956 --> 01:37:26,916
a very uneventful life after that that's what i'm hope open for lack of eventfulness but appreciate

1340
01:37:26,916 --> 01:37:30,496
you guys love you dudes and thank you everybody who tuned in we appreciate each and every one of

1341
01:37:30,496 --> 01:37:31,176
you. Cheers.

1342
01:38:00,496 --> 01:38:08,596
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1343
01:38:09,336 --> 01:38:11,576
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1344
01:38:11,576 --> 01:38:20,196
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1345
01:38:20,796 --> 01:38:24,296
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1346
01:38:24,596 --> 01:38:29,916
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1347
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