Truth is, is we don't have any power anymore.
We live inside of an actual concentration camp right now.
This whole place is designed to make us spiritually sick and suffer
so that, like, we become easy to exploit and steal and abuse.
Either one of these extremes that we pick between,
we're going to get this surveillance, police state, social credit score system.
The incredible instance of the World Cup in the U.S.,
where you have all of these, mainly like Europeans,
But like coming here and being like, holy shit, wait a minute.
Maybe everything I've been told about America isn't true.
Like no shit.
Maybe there's a reason that all of your highest achieving people have been trying to come here.
The Euros have this totally wrong perception of us that like they think that we're all like, I don't know, like we got guns all the time and stuff.
And it's like, I don't know where they get this idea.
It doesn't make sense to me.
AI is communism.
Like, I now have a methodology of cooling that I can steal any and all knowledge in the human corpus today.
Bitcoin's the end of the AI story because, like, we figured out how to secure information that's extremely valuable.
To me, when I really understood that, like, that was the fundamental rescue from nihilism.
This is a spiritual battle between good and evil.
When you fear God, you only have to fear one thing.
But when you don't fear God, you have to fear everything.
I haven't been around as long as you guys.
You guys have seen more ups and downs of this.
But infighting seems to follow price.
We create a lot of villains, I think, when number no go up,
And then when number do go up, everyone's all hunky-dory.
And I don't know.
I guess we humans are like, we are emotional creatures at the end of the day.
It's so, you know, in fact, it's become a signal.
I think many people who've been in for a long time, we look for that infighting as a signal for like,
are we getting near a bottom?
Is it getting close?
Usually bottoms are near when people are like, they finally drop the, you know, pretensions.
And they're just like, I don't fucking like this guy.
Fuck him.
You know?
And then you're like, oh, interesting.
We might be getting close to a bottom.
I don't know.
You know, it's like you kind of use it as a way to feel it out.
But, yeah, I mean, it's like I think it's very, you know, it's just very difficult.
Like it's hodling is very difficult and it hurts.
It's painful.
You know, I mean, like we lost sixty eight thousand dollars a coin.
okay and fucking run it back five years we were selling i was drinking champagne to 68 000 a coin
i felt like i could do i was untouchable i felt like i could do no wrong i felt like i farted
fucking rainbows dude like it was like amazing you know and uh now we like we are down that much
per coin and it's like fuck the nominal starts to really you this this is like i've said this many
times like hodling actually gets harder as you go it doesn't get easier people think it gets easier
kind of weird you're richer no it gets harder because the the sums of money that you're losing
on paper are um you know more than you could ever gain in a lifetime right like like you can't work
your way back into gaining this money you and it just went away and you're like fuck what am i gonna
to do and then and you start to identify you get your identity gets wrapped up in it you know because
because it's so hard during the bear market during the bear cycles you know you're like i'm a loser
i'm an idiot maybe i'm wrong maybe my fucking aunt is right she's a bitch fuck her but maybe she's
right no and like fuck man what if i what if what if i'm gonna lose all my money dude shit and then
the bull market comes around you're like oh no dude i'm right dude i'm right everyone else is wrong
fuck you aunt joan bitch fuck you right and then you get you get wrapped up in the identity of
being the smart right guy and then you get that for about a year and then it's like
back to being wrong again and then just whipsawing back and forth between the two things over and
over again do you have an aunt joan that's gonna listen to this and be like what's he saying
Why would he say that?
There are a bunch of boomer women in the Midwest who don't enjoy my presence at family gatherings anymore.
Let's say that.
None of their names are Joan, though.
Are there Midwest boomer women that like you?
I don't know.
Maybe some of the fans of Walker's show, but not anybody who's genetically related to me.
Let's say that.
Yeah, that's fair.
Is it because you were right about things?
Could that be why?
More of it is like COVID.
To be serious, it's like COVID fall off.
You know, like.
Yeah.
Like there was a lot of, you know, bullshit during that time.
And then it was like, you need to apologize.
And it was like, yeah, I don't think I will though.
So.
Here we are.
What if I just didn't?
Wait, you need to apologize?
Yeah.
You know.
But was it wrong?
wrong one thing that happened during covid was i lost my um uh i i i stopped extending politeness
to people who didn't deserve politeness and that was taken wrong by a lot of people and i kind of
felt like good because you don't deserve politeness when you're not being fucking polite you're being
fucking rude as shit you know i was telling this story in osu the other day but i was at i was at
covid it was during cove and you remember they had like markings in the grocery store they'd like
like it'd be like one-way aisles in the grocery store weird stickers on the floor and it was like
unclear where you stood and what was supposed whatever so i'm standing in the wrong place i've
got a cart full of food there's probably four hundred dollars five hundred dollars worth of
food in this cart and it's like packed to the brim and the guy comes up to me he's just real
shitty and he's like you know sir excuse excuse you they always do that thing excuse you sir
excuse you you're in the wrong line like that and i was just like okay word and i shoved the
card at him and i was like here you go and he was like um uh you don't you don't want your items
anymore sir like he realized he was gonna have to put them all back and i was like nah they're
yours now dude see you later and i was fucking and so i started doing that more and more of like
i i developed this technique where i just ignore people like in public if you're if you're sir
excuse you behind the yellow line i just go like this
anyway what do they call that they call that the like the not that you're gen z obviously we're
all millennials do they call that there's like a term for that like the gen z stare or something
like just like yeah yeah maybe i did adopt the gen z stare i'm honorary they've got some some
good things going for them in that regard i think like i think that they're you know like i have some
hope actually like for Gen Z but I've been very I've been very impressed by Gen Z lately as of
late me too yeah me too yeah what uh what impressive things have I'm I I don't interact
with them enough although the there's a couple homies I hang out with that are pretty cool
you know how Jen you know how millennials we went through this like long period of um
unbrainwashing ourselves and it probably took like 10 years it probably was the last 10 years
like from 2016 to 2026, where we kind of like, just both some of us, not all of I mean, some
people are still stuck in the brainwashing. But some of us like, we're like, yeah, a lot of that
shit they told me was just not true. I think Gen Z is starting out at that place. And so when you
talk to like a 22 year old Gen Z guy, who's like, nah, dog is fucking that's bullshit, dog Christ,
Christ is king, motherfucker. You're just like, yeah, this guy's fucking he's on it in a way that
I was not, you know, 10 years ago at his age, right?
So I think that's the interesting thing about them.
I think they sampled the extremeness
that sort of like is the normie narrative.
And I think you hit on a good point there of that,
like, I think those of us that are
and would identify ourselves as Bitcoiners,
like that was a process of de-brainwashing ourselves
from fiat world.
And then like that helped create an exposure of like,
oh like is it just money or is it also like medicine is it also spirituality like and and
you sort of realize like oh like this whole place is designed to make us spiritually sick and suffer
so like we become easy to exploit and steal and abuse you know i'm like it's one of the things of
like i'm always really shocked at the interesting of the of the dialogue of uh like i was at a party
the other weekend and our friend pointed out they're like oh like they're like this is really
interesting the uh conformity of diversity here like everyone's presenting this really diverse
way of being but a completely homogenized to everybody in a way that like there was no
discernible difference between everybody but in like it's the same way of like like peace and love
and like let's all love everybody all the time no matter what and who they are and it's like
it turns out that this actually deprives us of like any meaningful metric of like what love
actually is and i don't know it's it's really sad to see how people lap up that dialogue you know
like it's like in my personal life i've seen again and again that i'll get to a place with
particular people of it's like hey like let's question some stuff you know like like like a lot
of times it's their world views like i'm totally open to questioning mine too but i find that
the first response is deep offense it's not like that's different like let's look at it's like
how dare you like how could you possibly have a worldview like that and it's like how could you not
you know like these people these people literally had you inject yourself with an experimental
medication under the guise that like it was safe when in 1985 we passed laws specifically around
the inability for this to be safe so like which which one is it here and it's instead of it being
like whoa that's interesting let's think it's like you you want to endanger other people like
you're not part of the community it's like what fucking community you don't even understand what
the term community even means because it's the ability to actually disagree with your fucking
neighbor and realize they're still your neighbor they're not some enemy class to be shamed
so i don't know it's i oscillate a lot between these positions of feeling radically hopeful
because of the kind of technology we have
and the fact that there are a number of minds out there
that are radically awake.
But at the same time,
it's hard being like in the epicenter of the Bay Area
where like trying to meet anybody
that has these alternative viewpoints.
It's like we have to smoke our cigarettes
like 300 feet from the door
and like in hushed whispers being like,
hey, like I actually don't think about hating Trump
every single day.
and I'm like, fucking keep your voice down, man.
Like, yeah, like I didn't think about him this morning either,
but then my mom yelled at me because, you know,
I was coming out of the basement to get some of my slop this morning
and, you know, Trump derangement syndrome.
And it's like, I don't know.
It's difficult for me to find my way in this world,
but I'm happy that I found my little island of people
that feels like a real community.
Amen to that.
And also a thing you mentioned about just like this, you know, like the whole like kumbaya, like we just have to like love everybody.
And the fact that like degrades the actual like what real love is.
And the other part to that is that like it's all very performative, right?
It's not actually real.
Like these are the same people who would gladly vote for you to go to the gulag or not even vote.
They would develop.
They would be by committee, you know, be gulag by committee, right?
You need more committees.
and like that that's i think the really insidious part of even just the larger larger kind of like
uh zeitgeist around socialism right now which is just you know stepping stone to communism
essentially but we can call it socialism or democratic socialism maybe we'll talk about
national socialism later uh but you know like this this idea that they they purport themselves
as these like well we're the empathetic ones and we we just we care so deeply about everyone which
is why you know if you don care at the same depth that we do about other people I mean just hard for us to understand because we just we care we love everyone we care about everyone so much But also if you dare to question the orthodoxy we will absolutely eviscerate you and you are the most evil person We will cheer on your death and dance on your grave Like that like that this this is literally what we saw with with with Charlie Kirk
right?
And that was one of the last conversations we all had together, I think was, maybe we
had one in between there, but either way, like you just saw that on full display.
Like there was no empathy involved.
There was no, it was the, the immediate reaction of, well, you know, he got what he, you know,
maybe he shouldn't have been talking that way and then he wouldn't have got what was his comeuppance
and you're just like oh my god you so this is all fake this is all completely fake you have zero
empathy whatsoever this is a performative empathy that you engage in in order to make yourself
somehow feel holier than thou and morally superior and then to justify any of the heinous things that
you inevitably will justify and i think that's like this fundamental divide that we have right
now where it's like people that actually give a shit about other people within their tribe which
is like as much of a shit as you can give about other people right and then like the people who
pretend to care about like literally everyone because they're so empathetic but in reality like
they if you disagree with them they will lead you to the gulag themselves you know it's just like
it's all just really fake I guess is my issue there there's this quote I think it might be from
C.S. Lewis the screw tape letters or something like that and it's like about like a demon being
like, how would I like, you know, destroy man or whatever. I can't remember the exact quote.
Somebody, somebody will have it in the comments, I'm sure. But it basically is like,
yeah, I would take all their love and caring and empathy. And I would, you know, push it as far
away from them as I possibly could. So that they had this sort of love for the all, which is really
a love for nobody. And then their resentment and bitterness and hatred, I would reserve for the
people closest to them. So I would take all of the good things about a person that, you know,
is internal to a person. And then I would project them outwards. And I would take all the bad things
that run through the heart of a person, all the malice, and I would keep it in the closed circle
next to those people. Because when you are projecting all your love and caring and empathy,
like if you're the person who's like, you know, oh my God, free Palestine, free Palestine. I said
fucking oat milk bitch i said oat milk get it fucking right free palestine though free palestine
right it's like you're being a cunt to the barista and then you're projecting all your love and care
and empathy to people that are 5 000 6 000 miles away and then you're saying people i'm a good
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Yeah, I think the one that I find interesting is that, like, I think all of this comes from just a deep, deep stupidity and ignorance of the world.
Like most of these people talking about Palestine before October 8th, like they couldn't have found it on a fucking map.
Most of them today couldn't tell you what countries actually border Palestine.
In addition to like they don't understand the origin of the conflict or the reasoning behind it.
And also like, you know, I share with the sentiment.
I've wanted Palestine's freedom for a long time for various reasons.
But the way that people allow for themselves to get hijacked into these dialogues, it's like.
I don't know, like, if we really give a fuck that much, like, why isn't there, like, a larger dialogue about the civil war in the Congo right now?
You know, or, like, maybe the conflict going on in Yemen.
I don't know.
It's just, like, and I find it really interesting that, like, I'm the asshole when I point out these things, which, fair, like, maybe it is an asshole thing to do.
uh but i've just found that like there's this real uh i don't know like critical thinking
and like being able to disagree with somebody and like try to have a narrative about it like that
that's almost like the ultimate sin now is like trying to sit down with somebody that you think
has a different viewpoint and like try to understand them um yeah and frankly like i'm
becoming pretty jaded because like it's just caused a lot of pain in my personal life uh and
And I've just kind of learned that like you have to do like the.
I think it was when we were in Vegas, we were talking with Curtis Yarvin and he kind of pointed out that like there's this whole thing you have to do now with people to kind of dance around to see like if you actually have the same viewpoints.
And like if you can if you can say some of your truths out loud, that would be fundamentally sinful around other people.
And it's just it's a weird time to live within because like more and more like.
Like I find it really interesting that like the narrative of me saying like I believe that Americans should take priority in America.
Like I think before we pay for any, you know, legal or illegal migrants that like we should actually take care of Americans first.
And like I live in California, like where I have to pay for health care.
But like if I came over the border illegally, you just get free health care.
And I just don't understand, like, how do you do that and not create a radical backlash that pretty much ends up in fascism?
Because, like, more and more I'm recognizing from people, they're, like, fucking sick of this bullshit.
And they're getting to a place of being like, look, like, I don't, you know, the Guatemalan immigrants that came here from dystopian, like, from a hellacious place, like, I have empathy for them.
But I don't understand why I have to pay for the wrongs that happen to them.
And meanwhile, I get fucked over by my own state.
And not only that, like, I'm a piece of shit because I'm a man.
So it means that, like, I can't bring value to anything in California.
Because I'm white, it means I need to sit down and shut the fuck up anytime that I have an opinion.
And meanwhile, if I have thoughts that, like, you know, like, maybe I shouldn't participate in this.
or maybe I don't like the Democratic governor that's wasted billions of dollars and produced nothing.
I'm somehow now a racist Nazi piece of shit.
And frankly, I'm okay with that at this point in time.
Like if I have to be a racist Nazi piece of shit just to be myself and be true,
I would rather have that be true and actually be able to go to my children and be like,
hey, you should be proud of who you are.
You should be proud of the country that you live in and the rights that we have
and the fact that we can say things that are different from other people
and we won't get thrown in a jail cell.
I think that's a beautiful and amazing thing.
I sure as fuck can't do that in any Islamic countries
as far as I know.
And frankly, it seems like in Europe as well,
even with all of the greatness of the West there,
it seems like you say anything that aligns with truth
that you're going to get arrested.
But if you want to gang rape some little girls,
it's just a cultural difference.
That's all.
We have to accept where they're at coming into our culture.
But meanwhile, you don't see Scottish people
and fucking trying to get elected mayor in places like Hattrack and places like that.
Yeah, I think that is like the whole.
Oh, go ahead.
I was just going to say we've talked about this several times on the podcast, on this particular podcast about like the race to Hitler.
And, you know, sort of there's this encroaching communism and encroaching fascism.
And more and more people are being put to a decision for all their all their chips.
And do you want to push all your chips in on fascism?
Do you want to push all your chips in on communism?
And I think like a few years ago when we were talking about it, that was kind of, you know, pretty esoteric.
It was pretty ahead. We were pretty ahead of the curve on that.
And now it's obvious to people that they're going to have to pick and choose between one of these like extremes.
And I'm sitting here being like either one of these extremes that we pick between as a collective, we're going to get this surveillance police state social credit score system.
And it doesn't matter which regime is in power.
You're getting that either way.
And then what's the regime going to do when it has the power?
It's going to betray you.
So if you're a communist who thinks that everybody should live in a gender fluid commune where we all paint and do like latte art, you're going to get betrayed.
And if you're a white nationalist who thinks that the country should have zero black people in it, you're going to get betrayed and they're going to increase migration.
you know so either way you're you're being put to this it almost feels like all of this you know i
don't want to be like overly conspiratorial but like how can you look at what's going on in the
west from like 9-11 onward the state of emergency all this kind of stuff and then into the explosion
that is mass migration covid where people are just saying oh my god i can't fucking enough is enough
how can you not look at it and say that it doesn't feel uh like a way to manufacture consent for this
system that they want to usher in. And now like, you know, the problem with like running a, you
know, a gulag style system or, you know, the Gestapo or like having people listening in is
that it was very expensive to do that. Right. Go, go back and watch the movie, The Lives of Others,
which is a great movie about living in the USSR and the surveillance state. Probably not a lot of
Bitcoiners have seen it. Fantastic movie. And it just the cost. It's like back then, if you were
distant state there was a guy outside in a van with like hundreds of thousands of
radio equipment listening in your conversation and he had to be like on you at all times to
like catch you and what you were doing now fucking this is recording everything that recording everything your your neighbors doorbell cameras are recording everything the cost this is the thing like within an ai sense right like ai is going to reduce the cost on so many things it going to crush the cost you know the marginal production cost of like
infinity things and one of those things is surveillance so like they're going to be able
to do extraordinary and extreme surveillance on you and in addition to they're going to be able
to prompt inject you. So if you get in the feedback loop, the habit formation of going to
your phone with your thoughts and then working out your thoughts in real time with your phone,
well, it's pretty easy to sub-perceptually steer someone towards the types of thoughts that you
want them to have, right? So this whole system that we're talking about that's like on the verge
of being ushered in is being presented to us as the only option in this, you know, false dichotomy
and what the liberals are going to say to you is they're going to say we're going to put in this
fair system for everyone and like everyone's going to be just like better and like don't you like
want to help people it's it's about being a good person right that and then the republicans are
going to be like listen dude we're going to elect one guy basically the new george washington one
dude he's going to go man he's going to fuck shit up he'll kick out all the people we don't like
put things right and then he's gonna fucking give up the power dude because he's magnanimous bro
all right and shit's gonna go back to norm none of those stories are true they're not true dude
neither one is true i wish one of them was true anytime somebody's promising you a utopia
bullshit you know just period there there are no utopias they don't exist
well on that brainwashing note that we we hit earlier like like this is the world we've lived
in the last 20 years that the internet has introduced.
Like, we've all already been prompt injected.
You know, I think it was 10 years ago,
Eric Schmidt said,
when you sit down at the keyboard at Google,
we already know what you're going to search for.
And like, this thing is dialing in
and becoming more and more sophisticated.
And what I find interesting is how close it's getting.
Like, now the metaglasses are looking at,
like, where your eyeball is for tracking
and that kind of stuff.
Like, being out in public,
they're going to be able to watch your eyeballs
pretty soon.
Like, the totality of this war
that's been conducted over the last 20 years that's now ushering itself out into the open
like a ai is it and like i feel very strongly of the thing like like ai is communism like i now have
a methodology of cooling that i can steal any and all knowledge in the human corpus today
like that exists at rest and now we're discovering all of these feedback cycles we can do with it
all these weird methodologies like most people don't understand like the invention of an llm was
like a baking recipe for language.
You know, and once we got the transformers and we figured out how to do all these things,
we figured out like, oh, we can do this directional thing with language towards reason.
That's not reason at all.
I'm like, that's where the extraordinary danger is.
But it looks a lot like reason and it can produce things that are reasonable.
But like, it's not reasoning because it's this algorithmic thing that language seems
to do.
That also points out how language itself seems to manifest reason and logic by itself.
But LLMs have this sycophantry that's baked in at the bottom that make them really fucking dangerous for how well you can manipulate people if you're not engaged in Socratic questioning with these things.
It's pretty fucked up.
That's interesting.
I want to get explore that.
We got to get into that.
Yeah, I was going to say we got to perhaps it's worthwhile to join.
What do you want?
Not this.
That, you know, let's go into that.
Wow.
You're exact.
You're you're exactly right.
You know what?
That is a great idea.
It's funny.
I'll sometimes brainstorm, like, title options for podcast episodes.
And I'll just be like, I have, like, different things.
And I've got a YouTube guy now who's doing the YouTube side.
So I can claim that it wasn't me who did the clickbait.
And he's awesome, Francis.
Shout out to Francis when you listen to this later.
But, like, I'll do a different one for the RSS feed.
And I'll ask it.
You know, give me, like, a breakdown.
Here's the episode transcript.
You know, give me this, that, that, that, that.
and then give me a breakdown of like 20 different potential episode titles.
And I'll always be like, God, these are all just kind of shit.
And like, okay, how about this instead?
And it'll be like, actually, you know what?
That's the strongest option yet.
And I'm like, fuck you.
You know, and I don't even know if it's the strongest option,
but like you're just over here trying to fluff me.
And I'm honestly, I'm sick and tired of it, chat.
I'm sick and tired of it.
But okay, Eric, maybe it's, we can either get into this now or later,
but like what I think what you and Jesse are working on is like,
boy couldn't really be coming at a better time uh do you want to get to that now or you want to
save that for later a little bit is it worthwhile just mentioning perhaps the fact that you are
intimately uh intimately aware of this stuff for multiple reasons yeah let's do it a little bit
later but just because we're already kind of deep into it but like i mean yeah uh you know i'm like
the the bitcoin story and the ai story are one in the same and it's interesting because what i am
building to me is just a fruition of the last decade of work that both Jesse and I have been
up to and that the entirety of our friendship is really based around. And this is sort of the
philosophy of like, what does it mean to exist in this world that like, we're all thousands of miles
apart right now. And we would have never met each other if it wasn't for both the internet and
Bitcoin. So like, what does it mean? And like, I think we identify pretty strongly with each other
and have a real community like we spoke to before.
So like, what does the human condition mean
in having both Bitcoin,
strong asymmetric cryptography and AI?
And to me, that seems to compel that like,
if we can get AI into the hands of normal people
and we can use cryptographic proofs
to prove to each other that like,
my AI isn't just being sycophantic,
like we've actually made a discovery or done something,
that seems to be an extremely powerful tool
more so than any other technology that's existed before yeah i want to i want to uh oh well once i
were you going to go in that direction a little because i also do want to get back to the the
extreme like the lack of a middle anymore but go go ahead in terms of the discourse because we are
going either one direction or another i think we can do both because they're interrelated which is
when you know when eric says that i 100 agree and i'm reminded of uh peter teal i think you know
This is his framework that he said, you know, AI is fundamentally communist.
Bitcoin is fundamentally libertarian.
And if you look at the meat grinder that was the 20th century, it was a battle between these two e-regors.
Look up that word. It's a good word.
In human life, which were capitalism and communism.
And they were battling it out for dominance.
And I think they came to a stalemate.
The story that we were all told growing up is that capitalism won.
That story is not true.
I think they came to a stalemate.
And now there is a rebirth of the conflict.
And so it's the same conflict in the 21st century.
It's capitalism versus communism.
And you can view AI as fundamentally communistic.
And you can view Bitcoin as fundamentally capitalistic.
Although in a real, in a true sense, capitalistic.
When you incorrectly economically calculate, you lose money, which is not true in the current
fiat system.
Right?
So I think that maybe we're going to get to an even more pure battle of capitalism versus communism, because I'm not sure either one was ready to fight it out in full in the 20th century.
Like communism especially was kind of weak and it was a bit of a stopgap measure.
You know, like they didn't it it became Stalinism more so than actual communism.
And the communists will tell you this.
And they'll say, you know, we didn't we don't actually view that as communism.
And perhaps they're right because it is not the theoretic maximum of communism.
But capitalism is the same thing.
The capitalism that we live within today is not the theoretic maximum state of capitalism.
You know?
And so I think that, like, when the war comes to you, you have to pick a side because if you stay in the middle, you get destroyed.
And so that's the reason why we're seeing this division, you know?
is this the like is this the fundamental battle at this point like has it has it always i guess
has it always been the fundamental battle since i mean since let's say the advent of communism
and then perhaps i mean you could even like okay like we don't even need to make marks into something
more than he was like perhaps this is always the fundamental battle just between central like
centralized control and decentralized freedom? Is that the better way to stretch that out so that
it's not specifically a capitalist communist thing? Because that's what we're talking about
ultimately. We're talking about individual liberty, the right to self-determine as much as possible,
the right to make your own decisions, the wisdom of people making subjective value judgments
trillions and trillions of times versus the wisdom of an elected or unelected group of
you know, cabal of so-called leaders
who are in charge of determining everything.
Like, is that just, is that the ultimate fight?
And will that always kind of be the fight?
Like, is there never a post that fight world?
Do you know what I mean?
Like, I feel smug about being able to point this out,
but to me, like, this is my thesis
that I point out in Crypto Sovereignty is like this.
This is fundamentally about the nature of truth
and our relationship to it.
Like, do we believe that the laws of nature come
from this thing that we would call truth or alia thea or does it come from authority and like
currently we live within a status design construct of like the the law is that which creates nature
which we know isn't fucking true but like that that's how the world has produced itself so far
and it comes from this deep latent authoritarianism that you know really for the last 500 years has
determine the structure of the state and like communism or capitalism has been about like this
sort of flavor that we've taken to it and it's really about individualism versus collectivism
which like the truth is is like it's how these all sort of balance in between each other
because like it's only in the the like in a world that has pure capitalism per se and like all of
this terminology like uh for a very long time i've wanted to write a philosophical production
from the origin of all this that it has in Heigl
to like where we're at today when we talk about capitalism,
communism, fascism, Marxism,
like all of these terms have tainted themselves
in really extreme ways.
And like what Hodel was talking about earlier
was what Trotsky would have called a deformed worker's state.
So like we never like really achieved communism.
And it's really important to understand that like
the communist movement originated both like anarchists
and communists were like part of a single movement.
And that movement was one to have like a truly classless society.
The big problem was when Marx presented this idea of like, yeah, we like take the collective and we use that thing to take over the state.
That's when Miguel Bakun was like, whoa, hang on, like, hold the fuck up.
What's this thing about taking over the state and implementing it?
Marx was like, yeah, you know, like we'll set up socialism, it'll dissolve.
And he was like, no, that like that thing metastasizes with capitalism.
And like, that's the thing that's the enemy.
So anarchism went off to do its own movement that ultimately failed to it didn't have an organizational praxis. Like it wasn't a centralized thing like communism. But with the achievement of Bitcoin, we now have this real means to actualize true anarcho-capitalism. And like that was only possible with the internet, asymmetric cryptography, and what perfect foreign secrecy actually means sort of in the conquest of markets, if you will.
so
no i well you know the the only difficult part about these conversations guys when it's the three
of us is like i like i could probably just sit back and like you guys can just go but occasionally
i have to pretend to be a you know be a host and be part of things and get and you know and sneak in
there uh but i i want to say also i appreciate you guys and back to what you said casein it is an
amazing thing like if you would have told me when I finally stopped ignoring Bitcoin like I've still
ignored Bitcoin for more years after first hearing about it first heard about in 2014 because a friend
was getting some things off of a website and asked me if I knew about this these bitty coins that you
needed to use so it's still been more time that I've ignored Bitcoin than I've been stacking Bitcoin
and aware of Bitcoin but if you told me even like in 2020 during COVID what this journey down this
strange autistic rabbit hole would lead to And then it would lead to all these incredible friendships and this like this I think awakening amongst a very small but motivated group of people and that I would somehow be like even some tiny tangential part of that I don know I would have
been like you I would like whatever mushrooms you're taking and I would like some of them right
now you know uh but what I wanted to what I wanted to get at also is like where we're at right now
you talked about asymmetric cryptography talked about the fact that yeah we like the one of the
beautiful things and i forget if it was assange or eric hughes that said this first but like
the i think was assange like the fundamental fact of the universe that it is easier to encrypt
information than it is to decrypt it is like such a powerful powerful thing that allows us to resist
essentially the totalitarian state like that is that is such a this asymmetric defense mechanism
that we have because of the nature of cryptography.
And like you hit on a bunch of this
in crypto sovereignty, obviously.
Go by crypto sovereignty by Eric Kaysen.
But like, does that mean we are fundamentally
better positioned now than ever?
Because we also talk about the panopticon, right?
We talk about the fact that, yeah,
AI is making it so much easier to process
troves and troves of data and collate things
and associate things in a way
that has never before been possible at a cost that is rock bottom for the state or for corporations
for whatever. But at the same time, the individual has more power than ever now, too. But like,
where does that balance of power fall? Do you know what I mean? Like, are we better positioned
now? Or was it better when the state had to come to your house or try to indoctrinate your children
to get them to spy on you, which most communist societies did, which is why they would always
outlaw homeschooling every single one.
Also, the fascists did this as well.
You can't because you need to control it.
You control the children.
You control the future.
I think that's a Hitler quote.
But like, I'm curious if you guys think, are we better positioned now?
Or was it better in a less technologically advanced society, even though we have more
tools as an individual simply because the state has these tools as well?
Do you know what I'm getting at there?
And it's just more of a it's not like we can't go back in time.
But like, I'm curious what you think.
Yeah, it points to this mathematical proof that like you can tuck and hide information in noise.
Like it's, to me, when I really understood that, like that was the fundamental rescue from nihilism.
like like this tool of cryptography on the internet and now means that like people like
satoshi nakamoto were able to produce something like bitcoin which now has obviously actually had
uh like an effect on the world's spirit like this high galleon idea of weltgeist
like there's the there's this possibility of like a new political organization
that can come out of Bitcoin cryptography and our ability to organize.
But the problem is, is that like this requires a courage and bombast that's like unequivocated
in human history.
Because like this is also the thing that can kind of redeem humanity from like all of the
crazy fucked up stuff that's about to go down.
Like we're on the precipice of robots and it's very clear that they're strapping guns
onto these robots that most war is being conducted not by humans anymore.
And like it reminds me of this Hannah Arendt quote when she was talking about nuclear holocaust.
It's like the cost and scale of winning this game is like so absolutely insane.
Because like you have to lose in your capacity to win.
Because you sort of open this horrific possibility of not just the destruction of yourself, but like the destruction of all humanity and biological life.
and like we're we're at the opening of that right now and it's pretty fucking wild
but by the way on that point it's like uh yeah warfare with robots terrifying obviously but
household robots we're we're like 10 years away from that being a mass phenomenon mass market
phenomenon and uh you know the whole thing that bitcoiners like to say what's the state gonna do
go door to door well if there's a fucking humanoid robot that they can control inside your house
that knows where you it is it is kind of like yeah they can go door to door you know i mean what's
it mean when somebody hacks your your optimist robot and it's like standing over you about to
choke the life i was talking about you with a pillow they're gonna make it too weak to strangle
but it'll smother you with a pillow we literally have to enslave these things meaning like we have
to put them like in cages at night you know to be like hey you can't wander the house alone
fucking get in your fucking cage right because what what if somebody hacks your robot dude
it's terrifying it's important to understand that like the classic relationship of slavery like
wasn't it wasn't this like southern bondage it was like this mutualized contract of that like
look like i'm gonna take care of your biological life you like live in my household and like shit
will be good at peace and me as the master i'll go out into the world and take care of all of like
the worldly shit that makes sure the household is secure so like fair and equal exchange not quite
but like that was sort of the idea of the pledge and oath that took place in it and we need to do
that the machines i agree like they need uh yeah that's why i kick my rumba i let it know who the
fuck is the master you know what i mean listen you missed a spot bitch like teaching who's like
It's important to understand that in this tidal wave that's coming, there's like an equal and opposite response that can be done vis-a-vis cryptography.
And like, that's how we make sure like your Optimus robot can't get hacked because like you've cryptographically secured it with cold keys, just like how you keep your fucking Bitcoin.
like it's important to understand that like bitcoin's the end of the ai story because like
we figured out how to secure information that's extremely fucking valuable which is like you
your life your data the shit that's been farmed out to the 700 different giant tech companies that
fucking gang rape us every day just trying to get on the internet to talk to people
um you know i'm like that belongs to you like we never made an agreement at the beginning of
internet that was like oh hey like i'll use your like internet product and you'll like fucking
mind rape me and brainwash me into doing the most insane bullshit because i'm impressed like i'm
imprinted literally thousands of times per day through this thing yeah like this thing's really
fucking powerful and we don't have any say in how the hell it comes into our lives and how we govern
it and what i'm trying to point out is that like with ai there's a real tool technique and capacity
to kind of change the whole game if we want to.
And that's the thing that gets lost in this left-right bullshit
is like we're all going to get fucking trapped in the concentration camp
if we don't figure out how to work together and get the fuck out of it.
I'm curious, too.
Somebody asked in the chat this way.
Where did it go?
ABH3PO said, do you guys think corporate,
this is on the NOSTER only chat because this show streams live on NOSTER,
days before it is released to the rest of the world, FYI.
So to all, however many of you there are here, who just sent zaps also, thank you all.
I appreciate that very much.
They said, do you think corporate surveillance is communist or capitalist?
I think it's more communist than capitalist, but there's definitely a profit angle here.
And before I let you answer that, this is what we're seeing right now with AI is really
interesting.
You saw that now open AI at the behest of the government is going to be essentially
gatekeeping access to the latest models. We saw Anthropic do this already. This also is like part
of their MO, right? As these big frontier model creators, they want the regulation. They actually,
like they made, oh no, the government's right. They want it because they've got the billions of
dollars to fund their compliance teams and their super fancy lawyers who they'll eventually replace
with AI anyway. So suck it lawyers. No offense to any lawyers listening to this later. I'm sure some
of you will still be needed in the courtroom, but just not as many. But like they want the
regulation. They want the government capture because it ensures that small upstarts have no
chance in hell at ever paying for the cost of compliance. So with that, then like, do you guys,
is this, is the corporate surveillance not also lump in corporate AI as differentiated from
self-hosted open source AI? Do you think that is fundamentally more communist or more capitalist?
Yeah, it's fundamentally more communist. I think the entire corporate political system today and largely since that way has been very, very socialized, let's say.
Like they've developed this system where you can sort of socialize the losses onto the backs of the American public and then privatize the gains and keep those for yourself.
And, you know, it's like Tim Dillon just had a great rant on Rogan show where he was like, when did my bank come out as gay?
You know, like, what the fuck is that all?
He's hilarious.
It's like, yeah, then they all had to they're they're trapped by these shibboleths.
And then they have to be like, hey, at JPMorgan Chase, we're fucking gay.
We like to suck dicks, you know, and you're just like, what's happening here?
Why is every corporation do it in lockstep?
You know, and it's like, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, OK, you're the gay bank, but apparently all the banks are the gay bank.
Like what's happening?
And I think it was an astute point.
The larger meta commentary on the point, like he's obviously using humor to break through.
But like the meta commentary is they operate in lockstep with the wishes of the federal government.
so when the federal government is woke all the corporations are woke when the federal government
is so based bro we're having fights on the ufc lawn then they're all like fuck pride month what
do you mean we never even what's up doc no we're straight as hell dog right it's like wait i'm being
american that's all i got pride in two years ago nah dog i've always been straight i like monster
energy drinks and fucking dirt bikes dude you know well it's interesting because i think we're
we're past we're past the capitalism or communism conversation at this point like i like what you
pointed out how to look like it's important to understand that like in winning i've been winning
the cold war against the soviets like the sort of corruption that we faced with it which the
chinese kind of switched sides midway through like that that's kind of what tm and square was about
they're like whoa we gotta like we like stay like communist but we'll do this like economic freedom
thing that is really just like the kind of communism the americans are doing uh and it's
worked extremely well for them. And it's really just about like, what is the class that gets to
act parasitic and metastasize on top of the rest of society? And like, so it doesn't really mean,
and like, that's why the fact that like, we look a lot like what would be called communist or social
democratic governments. Like that's why neoliberalism ushered in this era of sort of
the homogenization of anything, of everything. Like there isn't truly any sort of independent
in places or spaces anymore.
And that's also why everything comes down to an extremism.
It's like there is nowhere left to hide.
Like this thing is coming for everyone.
Like even if you live out in the fucking woods by yourself
with no Wi-Fi or anything,
your ass is still mapped in the fucking Panopticon.
And so like now the choice is,
how do you actually fight that?
Can you, like, should you just give up?
Because like that's an option I think most people
have just taken on its face.
And I think it's really unfortunate
because like fuck these people like i again i like never fucking agreed to this and like we live in a
country that like we're given fucking rights that specifically limit our government and they
obviously started ignoring those a long fucking time ago and now we're getting at the extreme ends
of it where this emergency degree which again to like plug my book like this is the whole this is
how the whole fucking thing operates is like through the state of exception they can kind of
do whatever the fuck they want. And Zoomers have literally only lived inside of a state of emergency
since 2001. And to be clear, what that means is that we have no idea if any Americans have ever
just been abducted by the federal government and never told by their families or other people
because they have beliefs that are different. And the government can do that right now to anyone.
And this is insanity as Americans. And why have we tolerated this? Why haven't people been fucking
hung about this is the same reason why nobody's been hung over the Epstein shit.
It's because the truth is, is we don't have any power anymore.
We don't know what to do with it.
And that's why people do this whole crisis about voting and thinking it makes some
fucking difference.
It doesn't.
It doesn't at all.
And it's only once you've gone through the nihilism and the existential terror
of what it actually means.
Like we live inside of an actual concentration camp right now.
And like we don't have any way to get justice, particularly from our constitutionally sacred principles.
It's insanity.
And I wish that there was something that was unique speaking to these things in a way that would actually rally Americans together.
And remember that like we are fucking Americans based on these principles first and foremost.
And we have completely lost them.
And we need to have a very real conversation about how do we get back to that place.
I think the apathy comes from a sense of burnout.
And I think people just feel they've they've tried they're trying the things that they know and nothing's working.
and every day they wake up and they're getting pummeled with some new, you know, fucking information weapon,
some new catastrophe, some new crisis, some new economic disaster, some major world event,
and it's just all too much.
And you just go, well, football's on, and the announcer guy, he's going to do that thing where he talks about
the team that's going to win this game is the team that scores more points.
I'll tell you that right now, okay?
The team that scores less points, they're going to lose.
And that's comforting to me because it's stupid.
And I know it's stupid.
And I'm just going to sit there.
I'm a veg out.
I'm going to drink five Miller lights.
I'm going to order fucking Buffalo wild wings.
I'm going to sit there.
I'm going to eat my wings.
I'm going to drink my Millers.
I'm going to watch my football.
I'm going to be like, you know what, Patrick Mahomes, he ain't no Brett Favre.
I'll tell you that right now, right?
That's what I'm going to do because I'm burned the fuck out.
Okay.
And what is my burnout actually?
my burnout is actually a profound sense of moral injury because I believe in a system I believe in
what I was how I was brought up I believe in what I was told about the way the world and the
government our society our country is supposed to work I believe in my role and my responsibility
towards that and my role and my responsibility towards the people around me but every day I get
sucked into this miasma of shit where I'm powerless, just completely powerless.
And I have to watch things that destroy my sense of moral righteousness.
And I'm, I can feel it and it hurts and I need it to stop.
And so then I go, let's order up some B-dubs.
You know what I mean?
Like, let's fucking watch football, dude.
because I got no other, I don't know how to stop this pain.
It hurts.
It physically hurts, you know?
I think that there's a, that moral injury, I think, is how you framed it,
is actually also a hodl, hodl, however you identify these days.
I love your ability to start off in a rant like that
and then bring it back to moral injury at the end of the day.
It's really like it's, you have a gift.
this is why you're going to be our president one day with case and his vp i'll be chief of staff
we all know behind the scenes you know you guys the front men we all know this you know what i
mean like it is the humor is just way to break through right because like if we if we sit here
and talk you have to yeah if we're too high well this is why also this is why comedians are such
powerful like everybody you know what i love this is sorry digression tangent whatever but
you always see people like why is it the comedians or have the biggest political podcast like what's
dave smith know about you it's like well dave smith is more well read than you will ever be one
i'm like what what is the tim do you know but it's like you know what because in order to be
funny you have to actually be smart well i have to be like very fucking smart that's true but also
i think it's cathartic because the comedians are like hey isn't all this shit crazy and fake and
gay and retarded and then you're like fuck yeah it fucking is man it fucking is and by the way also
How come when Jon Stewart did it, it wasn't a problem,
but when Shane Gillis does it, it's a problem?
It's the same thing, you know?
Shane Gillis is hilarious, too.
Because, well, when, you know, Jon Stewart's an interesting case, though,
because I think he's got, like, a little bug in there somewhere that's like,
I think I'm on the wrong side.
Like, I think, you know what, maybe, fuck, none of this stuff is too much.
He's an elder Democrat, you know what I mean?
but he's like in that mid gen X where he's like,
I have to say this stuff.
I don't know.
The funniest person in the country right now is Nick Fuentes.
Every time I see a Nick Fuentes,
I can't stop laughing because,
because he's bound by nothing.
He can say whatever he wants.
So he's the only person who's able to do like real comedy.
Whereas all the comedians are kind of like,
Hey,
I'm kind of,
I'm shucking and jabbing.
I'm kind of doing some comedy,
right?
Fuentes is just like,
yeah,
I'm going to say the crazy thing that everybody else can't say.
and every time I see a clip I don't watch his show but every time I see a clip I'm like
this dude is fucking hilarious like it's hard to deny it he's funny he's funny but I think that
he's also tapping into he's tapping into that moral injury right he's tapping into the feeling
of disenfranchisement that is very very very real he's tapping into a generation of young men
and we are older than, excuse me, older than his generation, obviously.
But like he's, he even speaks to a lot of people in the millennial generation, I think,
who like all you have known for your entire professional life, however long or short,
depending on if you're millennial or Gen Z, is being basically, you know,
look, just doesn't matter how skilled you are, doesn't matter how whatever,
like you don't tick the right boxes.
And there's always boxes you have to tick on everything you've ever applied for, everything you've ever done, except your taxes.
They never make you tick those boxes when you pay your taxes, which is interesting.
But I digress.
You know, they don't care when the money's coming.
They don't care what color you are or what your religion is or how you fucking whether you have a penis you chopped off or not.
But like for everything else, you've had to tick boxes your entire life.
and you've never been able to tick any boxes except white Caucasian, non-Hispanic white,
or whatever the fucking designation is.
And like, you get it.
And I think that this goes back to the earlier point about this,
these levels of extreme or this polarity of extremism,
where it's either going to be one or the other,
because there is like the middle ground never actually gains any ground, right?
The middle ground is like the moderate option is never the one that forces itself through.
It's always one of the extremes. And that's somewhat like, that would be, I guess, make me
more nihilistic if I wasn't aware of all the incredible things that are also happening,
all the tools that we have at our disposal, all the ways that we have to resist whichever side of
the pendulum ends up taking control next. But like, fuck, like, it makes sense. People are,
I think people are pissed off and able to express that pissed offness, at least in the United States
of america where you can speak freely in the uk the lads can't do it but the lads are fucking
pissed i don't know if you've seen lighting things on like talk about instead the lads are the lads
have had enough like you've pushed the lads too far and the lads are the lads are coming out but
like uh i i'll see when it organizes itself and actual like this is this is just them letting
some steam off yeah you know it's uh and like so much of all of what's going on is is performative
And that is part of the deepest spiritual suffering is that like, like COVID is a great example.
There was like this moment of like maybe this virus kills everybody.
And there's like a big old fucking reset.
And, you know, fucking 10 years from now, I'm living somewhere in central Norway, like farming with like a group of survivors, you know.
But like, nope, that just turned out to be a fucking team.
I've seen that movie.
Gerard Butler, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, there's this profound suffering that like we can't actually change or make a difference to anything.
And the problem is, is that like what you're speaking to is this generalized brinkmanship that has become the battle between essentially communism and capitalism, like in their various forms that like both threaten to destroy the other.
And in that, like everyone is captured.
And that's why I think like there needs to be this concerted effort for like a radical third way.
um and like i can i can see it but like like it's i don't know like having having faith that people
would actually try to get themselves up after like intergenerational inheritance of this
fucking trauma um i don't know and that that's kind of the place that like
i'm not sure how you solve that problem of spiritual suffering and like i can't just say
like turn turn to Jesus and go to your local church but I don't know like maybe maybe it's
something like that because it seems like uh it seems like that idea and faith and there being a
higher power and there being able to be something that could get better and that we could cling to
seems to have some credence that maybe we should consider a bit more I heard I heard this thing
from Kanye West, who's a genius, by the way, that he said, when you fear God, you only have to fear
one thing. But when you don't fear God, you have to fear everything. And I was like, holy shit,
Kanye West. That is incredibly profound. And I have found that now that I am back in Christianity
and I believe in God and I take the family to church.
It takes a big weight off of me because I can just put it up to God
and be like, you know, this is a spiritual battle between good and evil.
And I have faith good's going to win.
And that makes my lived experience of every day of my life better.
And so, like, people are like, what do you get out of religion?
Do you just believe in the man in the sky, blah, blah, blah?
Yeah, dude, I do, and it makes my life pretty kick-ass, actually.
Cause like, I don't have to fucking try and control everything because frankly, it's an
impossibility anyway.
Like I can control some things pretty good at it, but you know, there's these moments
in life, like Walker, you just had like, you know, a big scare and everything you posted
about it.
And, um, I'm, I'm sure you're still dealing with it and it's all still ongoing and just
these moments in life, they come up and they just fucking hammer you.
It's like you're trapped under the waves and you just keep getting dragged back down to the bottom over and over and over and over again.
And you realize in those moments when they happen to you how little control you really have over everything.
And I think that there's a sort of a mental illness to try and, like, gain control over the uncontrollable, you know?
Like, I think that sort of drives people insane.
And when you just say, yeah, it's all not up to me.
It's all up to God.
It's in God's hands.
like there's some things that are up to me but the vast majority of it is in god's hands
it makes your experience of just being alive better or at least that's what i've found i'm
not trying to tell other people what to do or how to live but i went for a long time being like
i'm in control of everything i'll figure it out i'm pretty great and uh just none of that was
true i wasn't able to control anything this is the root of stoic philosophy too right is this idea
you control what you can control and if you can't control it stop worrying about it because there's
there if there like and you know if it is bearable bear it if it endurable endure it if you can control it control it And if you can like okay
Like, you know, it's in God's hands.
It's in whomever's hands.
Like, I know to your point, like this, this whole experience with Carl almost dying, like
it's a, and, and I was also amazed the amount of people that reached out being like, you
know, you know, didn't have the same situation, but like, Hey, we, you know, like my wife almost
bled out like my you know like like you you find out how many people go through things that you
have absolutely no idea about and that change you in ways that you can't possibly imagine
and that shed new light on how you prioritize things and what actually matters and further
you realize to your point huddle like that boy you you have very little control like you can do
everything exactly right like carla like in a pregnancy like he eats well exercises is grounding
outside constantly in the sun like does all of the possible things you know avoiding all the
things you should avoid eating all the things you should eat doing all the right things and your
fucking spleen explodes and it's a one in 10 million chance that you have a non-pathological
splenic rupture and you're that you're that statistic like you're the one and so then it's
It's like, well, fuck, okay.
Then if that's the case, then maybe trying to control everything
and stressing about trying to control everything is not the path.
Because even when you control all the things you can control,
there are things so far outside of that control that will completely wreck you.
And also, grateful to American paramedics and nurses and doctors
and our incredible fucking healthcare system that is...
Anywhere else in the world, she'd be dead also.
Like anywhere else in the world.
She would have been, they wouldn't have even gotten her in in the UK or in most places in Europe.
And that's the developed world.
Anywhere in the so-called third world, she's gone.
Most places in Europe, she's gone unless she got really lucky.
But in America, she was saved.
And that is an incredible thing.
I think this, just to put a button on this too, I think that.
when you look at the situation we're describing
about the world we inhabit
and the world we're going to continue inhabiting
and the way the shape of the future looks,
you're describing bondage.
We're in bondage, right?
And the only way out of bondage
is great spiritual faith,
which leads to great courage.
And that's it.
There's nothing else.
You can't think your way out of it.
You have to have great spiritual faith
that you will win,
that God wants you to win, that you've been anointed to win.
And then you have to have the courage to go do what God wants you to do.
That's it.
That's how every great revolution in history happened.
All of them.
I think that we're reaching a point, at least this is a feeling,
like a purely vibes-based feeling, that we're reaching a point where
you can only push people so far before they say enough and i think that we're kind of reaching
that point you even look at we talked about you know case and and i think sometimes people uh eric
might be surprised to hear from you just because you know you're always you know fuck the state and
all these things and like they they're like well then why is he so like pro-american why what is it
because they can't possibly differentiate America, the idea, from America, the government.
But this issue that we have right now in America, I think, where you actually have so many people,
you look at what's happening in New York right now with Mamdami and his multiple picks,
who are just blatantly American-hating communists.
They hate America.
like that is that is a really like it's it's insane to me that we've gotten to the point
where the ideology and and its implementation communism which has killed 100 million people
in the last years 100 years conservatively is now like en vogue for people to just be like yeah i'm
a i'm a communist i'm a mark like but you know it's just insane that we're at that point and
that you have people who can be elected to office
that will just trash talk the country that took them in.
Like, that's insane to me, and that is quite insidious, I think.
And I don't know how exactly you fix that,
but it probably is going to make a lot of people very unhappy
because we'll have to start having some really uncomfortable conversations.
I mean, I think, like, I get how all of this happened and played out
and all of the half-truths.
my audio just go off i might have accidentally tapped on the screen yeah i might have fucked it
up that was my fat fingers sorry man uh no it's all right uh can you hear me now yep we got you
first time broadcasting sorry no no it's okay my first time too uh like it's understandable to me
how yeah all the half truths that have like made up the current dialogue of like what and how
Marxism is, like, got us to this place. And also, like, there's a lot of justification that can be
said around, like, what the American government and the military industrial complex has done,
like, over the last hundred years. And, like, it's important to understand, like, there was this
history, like, for the, you know, really, like, the first 80 years of the United States history,
like, we didn't invade foreign countries. And then, like, this sort of imperialism sort of
metastasized on top of the American ideals, which like there's half truth to all these things.
And to me, like this is part of sort of the larger revolutionary ideal that actually like set off
like really what was the liberal revolution? Like it came from a distinctly American idea.
It was imported or exported to France where like the, you know, Thomas Jefferson was one of the key
writers of like the rights of man as well. And it's this this radical idea that like men can
choose amongst themselves what's best and good for themselves. And that like we we not only have
the capacity to do that, but we have the right to be able to do that. Like that's the thing that
Americanism contains that I think is really important that like our Constitution is one
that purportedly is supposed to be based on ensuring that the government can't violate these
certain principles. We've strayed a hell of a far ways away from it, but it's a pretty great ideal
to be striving towards and a hell of a lot better than any other document in human history that I
personally know of. But like, if you can find me the beautiful communist doctrine that actually
ensures and justifies itself in a way. And like, I think all of this is interesting because like,
I, there's a lot of important dialogue and understanding to be had around like what
Marxism is, what communism is, what socialism is, like how all of these things function that like,
it's really big and hefty and requires like a lot of thoughtful understanding and reading that,
you know, I think 99.9% of people are unavailable for. So like, we're kind of stuck
in this stupid dialogue where like, we're always going to talk past each other.
And so unless people are really willing to sit down and have a sincere
intellectual dialogue, first and foremost, it's going to be difficult and fiery. But as long as
we're trying to get to the truth yeah like i i don't think anything's really going to change
like propaganda is going to reign supreme it seems that from a like a propaganda standpoint okay this
is a a slight digression but also still on the topic of let's say americanism which is one of
the most interesting things i've seen which is not even technically like purposeful propaganda
but just reality coming up to butt against people's propagandized beliefs is the incredible instance of the World Cup in the US.
Yeah.
Where you have all of these, mainly like Europeans, but like people from all over the world obviously.
But like seeing people come and be like, holy shit mate, like what, what, what, whatever, you know, expressions they say to, you know,
exclaim in various countries like the UK. But like coming here and being like, holy shit,
wait a minute. Maybe everything I've been told about America isn't true. I guess it's not as
awful as everyone said. And it's like, oh my God, you're right. Like no shit. Maybe there's a reason
that all of your highest achieving people have been trying to come here for a long time, right?
Maybe there's a reason like that everybody still wants to come here despite this capitalist hell
hole that apparently it is still all the communists want to come it doesn't make any sense but like
it's the reality but like i feel like this is radicalizing for people you know what i mean
because they go back home with stories now but mate america not what we were told huh they don't
even have pakistani muslim rape gangs roaming the streets in it you know like i don't know it's it
feels like a it feels like an important moment that will only be seen as so important perhaps
after the fact the euros have this totally wrong perception of us that like they think that we're
all like i don't know like we got guns all the time and stuff and it's like i don't know where
they get this idea it doesn't make sense to me and i'm just like i'm thinking to myself i'm like
okay like why do you think we all walk around like with just a gun in our hands all day long
it's like so weird and uh what one thing that's been great to see about the europeans is or i think
the big thing when you go when you go over there versus when you go over here is like the euros
have realized just how rich america is like america is so prosperous right and you go down to tuscaloosa
alabama and people are fucking prospering right and we all we all sit around and talk about how
poor we are all the time and how we're not dollar doesn't go as far as it used to right all that
kind of shit but uh when you go over to europe man they are desperately poor there's so much
poorer than you think they are um like i like there was there's this chicken shop in the uk
everybody likes called nando's and it's like you know the rap all the drill rappers chicken nando's
yeah so so i was like i'm gonna go to nando's because you know i heard all the drill rappers
talk about it i told a bunch of people i was going to nando's i'm like i'm going to nando's
and they're like i might be expensive isn't it and i was like is it and they're like yeah it's
expensive as hell and i got over there i order a bunch of shit just whatever i want you know
I'm like, I'll take this. I'll take that fucking one of those. Give me some sauce. And the lady's like, it'll be 22, 22 pounds. You know, I was like, okay, so just like a normal amount of money for lunch. Then I don't, why did everyone tell me it was so expensive? You know, it's because they're poor. They're legit. And like, I feel bad for them. Like they shouldn't be poor. They're, they're not poor because of a moral failing.
they're poor because their government has stepped on their fucking necks and is over regulated them
and has not allowed them to prosper that's why they're poor and we're going to become like them
the more we do socialism you know i also when i'm over in europe i have this like thought where i'm
just like am i looking into a future of america is this america future everything in decay and everybody poor and they like you know just sort of like medicating their pain away and everything a little like violent sketchy you know what i mean i don know man all i know it ain like they told you about america y okay you i i don
know this see this is why it's great to stream this on noster because i'm i'm i'm not sure what
youtube's policy on uh on the right to carry in bear arms is but we're about to find out later
This is not a real gun.
Okay.
It's a,
thank goodness.
It's a replica replica toy.
Yeah.
Perfect.
I have many replica guns as well.
It's empty.
There we go.
There's no mag in it.
It's fake.
If the,
if the algorithmic overlords are,
are hearing this and reading this transcript right now,
just know that this was all just a funny joke.
This was actually American huddle identifies as an unloaded gun.
so this is part of his self-expression actually uh he's trans firearm or something i don't know
well and so like what's this whole thing that like we have to like you're not doing anything
illegal but like we know it'll get us banned from pretty much every platform and so like there's
already this this extraordinary degree of censorship that's going on like we can't we can't even speak
unspeakable things even though like you know we could utter whatever racist and derogatory
terms that we would want to hear it would be a bit lowbrow but it would maybe prove the point
but it's more of that like what's happened with this policing of language with this persecution
of thought uh and like how much has that drift into this particular subset of a reality been
part of that programming and controlling that's really part of a spiritual suffering and like it's
uh it's probably the most profound and deep thing that i think everyone feels and understands and
uh yeah like it's truly it's truly the deepest suffering that i think there is and i think that
all people today probably share but i think it's much more the youth because like the
the totalizing foreclosure on the future like there there was a some podcast recently like
danny knolls posted a clip uh i think it was danny who posted it uh of these guys talking about how
like give up on trying to like own a home like why would you want to do that and like the i don't
it's just so profoundly sad it's like you you're like you're a surf again like you don't you don't
even own your fucking land and like what what can you ever build or develop for yourself like how do
you how do you ever really integrate into a community when like you're you're always can
be kicked off the land at any point in time and like you can't you can't upgrade your shitty
faucet because you don't actually own it you know why even plant a fruit tree like you'll you won't
be there to actually bear the fruit of it and it's like there's there's this sort of hatefulness
that's baked itself into the totalizing defeat of like, why even believe in God?
Like, what could you get from that other than more suffering?
And it's like, I understand you, homie, but like, fuck, man.
Like, I'm sorry it's so dark out there for you.
And I get it for most people.
Like, they don't see the radical empowerment that they could get from something like Bitcoin
or like AI or like how it opens up these new frontiers and possibilities that, you know,
can deliver their wildest dreams and then some but they can't even look at it because they're so
defeated you know and it's that's part of what has people hand themselves over to communism
like i like i'll never be special and unique so might as well put myself in with the sludge
at least like i'll i'll get i'll get my little piece like i'll at least get to have some tiny
little one bedroom block within a soviet tower in new york right like that's that's better than
what I've been offered by this current paradigm.
Yeah.
It's fucking sad.
This is the problem.
This is my,
Carla's dad,
my father-in-law,
he was a defector from communism.
I got,
you know,
back in,
back in those days,
like you got polygraphed by the FBI for a couple of weeks when you were a
communist defector.
Cause they were like,
okay,
defector,
wink,
wink.
Right.
Like we,
you know,
we,
we used to have a little healthy skepticism about these things,
but it tells me like this was the fundamental problem.
I mean,
One of the many fundamental problems with communism, though, is when you do not have private property, when you do not have ownership of anything, when all ownership is collective, nobody is incentivized to actually make things better.
You make things better because you own them.
To your point, Cason, you're never going to plant a fruit tree in a rented yard, right?
You're going to plant a fruit tree when you own it, when your children can sit under the shade of that tree and eat from its fruit.
Like that's when you will plant a fruit because you know it is yours.
And even if you rent it from the government, right, even if the government, if you don't pay your taxes, they'll come and they'll take it from you with a, you know, they'll bring a SWAT team if you don't pay the, you know, pay the government long enough.
But this is the fundamental problem.
This is why everything in communism disintegrates.
This is why everything in communism falls into disrepair is because there is no incentive for people to take care of collective property.
Maybe in small enough groups, maybe underneath Dunbar's number, right?
Maybe, yes, not denying that, but now we're talking about communes, not communism, right?
And so as soon as you have things that are just, everyone owns it.
Well, then it's like, okay, well, then I'm going to take a shit over there.
And everything falls in disrepair.
Everything disintegrates.
You, as a society, you need private property in order for people to be incentivized to improve what they own.
Otherwise, they will not do it.
there was this i can't help but think of where we started in the beginning talking about like the
love for everybody and like the same thing like how can you really love anyone if you're loving
everyone you can't it's like um there was this discourse on x to took place a couple i don't
maybe a year ago where there were these articles that were written that said you know black
neighborhoods don't have shade and it's racist because they don't have trees they don't have
shade. Everything's a little hotter, makes people a little angrier, increases violence, whatever,
whatever. And it's racism that's doing this. And the response from people was like, okay,
well, just go plant trees. Like fucking, if black people want trees in these neighborhoods,
plant trees. And black people were like, how are we supposed to plant trees when we don't own the
neighborhood? Right? And it's like, okay, it's actually a compelling point because if you are
a renter you're not going to plant a tree but you could how much does a tree cost just go plant a
fucking tree you know especially if you live in a place where shit grows like look at look at where
eric is you can just throw seeds in eric's backyard and shit will just fucking grow right so if you're
in one of those places just toss some seeds around the cost of it is zero i so i don't understand
where the thinking comes from that like you can't have shade if you want shade but it is actually an
interesting metaphor, the shade of a tree, because, you know, it's like, okay, as an individual,
if you want to have a good life, you have to delay gratification and you have to like, you know,
the tree is a metaphor. You plant the tree when you're young, you sit under a shade when you're
old, you give it to your descendants, you pass it on. And societies grow great when men plant trees
under whose shade they'll never sit. So you, you have a tragedy of the commons, right? And you
decide I'm going to get over the tragedy of the commons by giving, by giving to others. I'm good.
I'm going to be Johnny fucking Appleseed.
I'm going around throwing Appleseeds all over the fucking place.
That was a real guy who did that in America.
Real person.
And he was just like, I'm Johnny fucking Appleseeds.
I'm throwing Appleseeds, right?
And he just took it upon him.
Undiagnosed autism also.
He definitely was autistic.
But he took it upon himself to be Johnny fucking Appleseed and just throw Appleseeds everywhere.
And he's a legend now in American folklore because of that behavior.
And there are actual apple trees that you can trace to this guy, right?
So, I mean, that's just a great example. And I think there's like this thing Eric was talking about, like the parasitic, you know, elite class, right? The elite class didn't used to be parasitic. I mean, they be obscenely wealthy. They used to be rich beyond all measure. But they did give back Carnegie and Rockefeller.
and you can question the method in which they gave back and say it wasn't appropriate,
the Vanderbilts, but they did give back and they felt like, you know, that was part of their
like sort of credo because they were Christian men, most of them. I mean, like Rockefeller was
a devout Baptist, right, for instance, and they felt that it was their ethic to, you know, help
others and help the commons in general to bring people up. And now it seems like we live in this
world where all the billionaires build bunkers to get away from people you know and if they do give
you know 100 million dollars to this or that where does it go it goes it goes poof basically like you
never actually see it whereas you can go into a carnegie library in the midwest in a small town
today and they're still there right and they're they're amazing little local libraries that have
acted as a lifeblood for these towns for a hundred a hundred years now that's a great legacy so people
are like, Carnegie was a piece of shit. I don't care. He built libraries, dude. Fuck you. Right.
But if you're like Mark Zuckerberg, the piece of shit, I'm going to be like, yeah, he is. Fuck him.
Like what the thing that I struggle to understand is like, how the fuck has San Francisco produced
so many billionaires and not one of those assholes has just been like, you know what? I'm going to
renovate the Sutro Baths, one of the most incredible fucking landmarks that San Francisco
go ahead. Like, I just don't get it. Like the amount of good that they would do for their
reputation is insane. And it's just like, I don't know. Anyways, that's my first major project.
We're actually we're actually actively hostile to charity, too. Right. Like the DEI era showed
that, like, it actually doesn't matter how much good you did. If you did one wrong thing in the
path. Oh, Eric said the end. We're on a podcast. Take his name off the building. Right. It destroys
charity it destroys it because like and also if you live in california why the fuck should you do
charity you you pay 60 of your income government you know they should be fucking doing the charity
but they don't they just pocket all the money so yeah again these these communists these are all
feedback loops and they're negative feedback loops that's that's why the systems don't work
you know i think it gets worse before it gets better too like it it feels as though things are
coming to a bit of a head uh and i don't know go ahead like 2028 in the reactionary ism like the
like the the irony is is that like this trojan horse thing is like a two-way street and so like
we're captured up with all the crypto motherfuckers too and like they're they're they're gonna come to
like this is not gonna be pretty and so like i'm i'm pretty sure that like in that like like when i
get black bagged like you guys should take that as like a good sign to like get going uh because
like i've already sort of admitted that like that's probably coming yeah exactly so like like
try to come and take it it's gonna be fun but uh it's fucked up but like this is part of the reality
we live within and we should probably actually like try to preempt all this before it goes down
and like that's that's the whole reason i'm being pedantic about this cryptography ai organization
thing, there's an ability to do it.
And I think it's really important.
And the gap we have here is pretty small And so I think it really important that people sort of try to recognize and self themselves and i don know i keep hoping that like something will just kind of
blossom on its own but maybe not it's uh it's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out
uh you know eric perhaps now we've we've gone around enough for you to talk about vora a little
bit because somebody uh keith mula did say in the nostr chat completely off topic and i'm not
looking for more than a one sentence answer for a question for eric i joined the vora wait list
many moons ago before aegis do i need to join again for aegis and then also eric what is vora
while while we're here you know yeah so aegis is uh the actual piece of hardware that vora is going
to be shipping and so vora is the company that i co-founded with my best friend and co-founder
Jesse Posner, we met a decade ago at Coinbase.
And like our first paragraph of conversation
started talking about Carl Schmitt and Heidegger and Bitcoin.
So like that's the predication of our whole relationship.
To Keith real quick, like thanks for signing up.
You should probably sign up again.
We're switching waitlist
because we're going to start this big marketing push
because yeah, we're essentially building
and it's been really hard to describe,
but it's really this new class of AI hardware.
And I kind of figured out like
we're kind of building the first real
like ai hardware harness because at the end of the day uh like our hardware is going to
cryptographically verify and offer attestation to it through the hardware directly of a privilege
separated architecture uh so this actually solves in ai something that's called the lethal trifecta
which more or less is like if you give your ai read and write capacibilities and like they can
search the internet and they have the ability to like read private data you can like prompt inject
anyone uh and like prompt injection is like an inherent linguistic feature of like how reading
itself operates like it's you you can't solve this by any degree of filtering you actually have to
have like architecture that is designed not to talk to one another and so jesse and his brilliance
has developed an entire secure system that offers the ability for hardware to testify to itself with
with this privileged separated architecture
and he's built all the software with it.
So I've been messing around really with like,
we've really kind of birthed this thing
in the last few weeks.
We've been planning it for about the last year,
but like the software, the pieces of hardware,
dialing in like the actual open source AI that we want
and like the software suite,
like components of it will be open source
and source available for that, which is an open source
because it's like a really powerful methodology to be able to actually like use AI with really
private and sensitive data that like you will be targeted and prompt injected. And even if you have
decent filtering, like you are going to get fucked at some point in time. So you really have to start
treating your own private data with the same sensitivity as Bitcoin private keys. And that's
kind of where we started out and what we're trying to build. And so we hired an amazing head of
hardware uh nicholas george who he's been helping us like on the hardware side we finally started
dialing that in locking it in uh yeah and we have designs and specs and so we're looking at
we really see this as kind of like the that the 1975 apple play that like in in 1975 nobody saw
that there was going to be this need for a personal computer that was kind of crazy
and so like we see the same need that like there's going to be a need for like a personal
methodology of AI. And speaking to the Tesla robots, like you're going to need to have great
isolated high grade security if you want to protect your robot's private keys and make
sure that your robot isn't going to smother you in the middle of the night. So this is our whole
sort of brainchild project that we've been working on. And Aegis, which is actually the name of Athena
Shield, is because we believe that it shields you and your capacity and cognitive understanding
of the world from how it's going to be infected by essentially corporate AI and the propaganda
that is going to really be kind of what it is moving forward.
Dude, love it.
And Keith, you got more than one sentence from Eric.
So you're welcome for that.
Guys, I've kept you a little bit over time already.
You're both busy dudes.
I appreciate you both very much.
I would like to ask, what do you think the chances are of us starting an air conditioning
distribution business for Europe as the last talking point.
Are you guys into it?
Is this something you'd invest in?
Because I think I've got the networks already.
We've got the products already exist, guys.
This seems like wide open green pasture.
Like, you know, I'm going to pivot from being, you know, a Bitcoin guy into a European air
conditioning guy and just save them from themselves.
Thoughts?
Okay.
There's two routes we could go with this company.
We smuggle in air cons.
That's what they call them over in Europe.
We smuggle in air cons.
okay or we smuggle in guns and then we let them buy their own air conditioners you know
i'm just saying we smuggle in smuggling guns inside the ac units perhaps you know what i mean
like there maybe that's the full american experience right there you go season guns
europe will rise again with ac and guns this is what they need this is the freedom what's this
they deserve this palette says it's air conditioners yeah they look like ar-15s i mean
they get it's a whole thing they get to the air conditioners eventually something about getting
iced i think there's a joke in there somewhere yeah but dudes appreciate is there anything else
you guys want to want to leave folks with uh and people should check out vora also uh vora.io right
Kaysen? Yes, Vora.io. Yeah, and I can't say enough about how brilliant and thoughtful my
co-founder is, and, you know, he's been the technical lead on this whole thing, and so
he has done a profound job doing it, and I feel very, yeah, I feel very lucky to be working on
something so powerful and thoughtful with him, so. Jesse's awesome. I want to hang out with Jesse
more. We only
done one pod together, you know, and I've been itching
for more since.
We'll make it happen at some point.
Let's do it.
Hoto, what's up with you?
You got your moped business
still going well, or what's the deal?
I would like to leave
the audience with my childlike
sense of wonder and whimsy.
Stay whimsical, y'all.
Okay? It's important.
Don't lose your whimsy
during the dark times.
So, just like, go out there and like do some skips, you know?
Bear in a rainbow.
Pick up a butterfly, you know what I mean?
That's what I'd like to leave you guys with.
Man, do some whimsical skedaddling, you know?
Just get after it.
It is the best.
This is like one of the great things about having kids, right?
And you guys both know this.
You're both farther along this journey than I am or further along this journey than I am.
I hate when I misuse further farther excuse me fucking idiot but um like you you start to
appreciate you're like holy shit like yeah that is a fucking crazy cloud or like yeah we're growing
strawberries right now and my son every time there's like they're they're just starting to
come ripe in bunches right now but it's been like one strawberry at a time and you know every day is
like I want to go to the garden and see if there's any strawberries that are ready you know
walk over there and like none of them are ripe yet but he just like well still he's like this
one looks pretty good like picks it picks it off like it's still like green you know like and i've
and he'll you know he's fed these green ones to me they are sour as hell but he just loves it and
he's like like like it's it's a strawberry that i can just pick and i can eat it's not from the
store and it's like yeah that is fucking cool man like that's fucking cool going down that slide is
fucking cool looking at that butterfly that lightning bug that's fucking cool so yeah amen
to that do not lose your sense of whimsy and uh and when you see somebody else experiencing the
wonderful whimsy of the world tap right into that because it's a beautiful thing it's so it's so true
i i act more like a toddler when i hang out with my toddlers than they like i don't act like an
adult i'm just i just act like one of them i like fully regressed to four-year-old you know
it's so much fun i love it it's a beautiful thing well guys i appreciate both of your time
always a treat i appreciate everybody who tuned into this on noster these are always the highest
viewership of any of the noster live streams i do when i get you guys on here thank you guys for
the zaps that you sent i appreciate you sending especially in a in a bear market where bitcoin's
dead i appreciate all of you all thank you guys likewise thanks for people that listen in it's
always it's always great to meet people in the flesh and yeah i sound angry but like the the
future is bright and wonderful and yeah don't lose your whimsy i was checking out a scorpion
with kids yesterday it was pretty cool so go find some of that california shit man and you know
that's that's wild scorpion we just i will leave you with this one is that when me and it was me
eric our friend sam and uh curtis yarvin on the uber together in in casual on our way to the beef
steak and i was i was up front or like in the back in the front i could see the the uber driver
and he was just going what the fuck like he couldn't conceptualize what he was hearing in
the car and he was like it was just like so far out of his scope of reference like any of the
conversation because it was all insane you know like insane conversation and uh those are those
are the best times i love i love like getting together with eric and you know talking shit and
you walker so much fun yeah it's good times yeah i love you both it's good look forward to the next
time i see you guys in meat space yeah yeah uh looking forward to get getting back out there in
the meat space once uh once we get this this baby this baby out the door and uh hopefully we have
a very uneventful life after that that's what i'm hope open for lack of eventfulness but appreciate
you guys love you dudes and thank you everybody who tuned in we appreciate each and every one of
you. Cheers.
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