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Are we going to have some sort of like AI government takeover type of thing in 2032,

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where the way that we organize society, the way that we make decisions will be like a

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top down process from this new AI paradigm that we're living in.

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So I don't know what that's going to look like.

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I don't know if I'm right about 2032 in terms of like the way that it will exactly pan out.

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I don't sound like a fucking clanker, do I?

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It's like plastic surgery.

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Like men always say like, oh, I hate plastic surgery.

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I never like a woman who's wearing makeup, like all this kind of stuff.

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well you just don't like the version of it that you can notice we're training it and also it's

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training us like we're starting to think and talk like it because we're susceptible and malleable

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the clip slop version of me is not me astrology is essentially like a meaning making system out

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of timing cycles right it's a collective consciousness that's trained on all of our

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collective data and it creates some sort of way of thinking map of thinking that we don't even

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entirely understand crash out don't let the pleb slop win you know just keep your sanity and keep

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your human agency, your ability to make decisions based on information in front of you to be able

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to navigate whatever comes up. For me, Bitcoin was hope. For me, Bitcoin taught me that a

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technological solution was possible and it was in the realm of money for Bitcoin. But I think what

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that ultimately opened me up to was just being a techno optimist in general. Now, that doesn't

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mean all technology is great or that you should just like download your consciousness to the cloud,

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whatever. We are on the front lines of technology with Bitcoin. That just is what it is. I actually

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had been saying this for Bitcoin specifically, that 2032 is like the year where if we are not

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in some sort of like, oh, Bitcoin has made it type of moment by 2032, it's not happening.

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All right. Let's fucking go. I called it, I called it Bitcoin is written in the stars in all caps.

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That's pretty good. Did your clanker come up with that one?

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It did not. No, I still do have, I still do have original thoughts, which is nice.

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It's becoming harder to distinguish between, you know, original thoughts.

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Like I even find like sometimes when I'm writing, I'm like, oh, I sound like Chachi VT.

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And like, I actually just thought this and wrote this myself.

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The writing side is tricky.

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Like I've always been a lover of M dashes.

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And I was talking to Lynn Alden about this and she was like, don't let the clankers have

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the M dashes.

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Like that's our domain.

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You know, we, they don't, they don't get to own that just because they overuse it.

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But it's tricky because you find yourself now, like if you're, if you're writing something

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as a human without using AI, you know, shocker, people still do it guys. But if you found like,

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you know, like you said, like a turn of phrase or something that you use and you're like, Oh wait,

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are they going to think like, that's like, that's chat or that's grok or that's, you know,

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Claude or whatever. And it's weird that we now have this, this sort of like extra filter on

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ourselves to kind of check and be like, Hmm, I don't sound like a, I don't sound like a fucking

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clanker. Do I, it's, it's a weird, it's a weird time. It's a weird time. I think the clankers

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are getting better at writing too, which kind of like blurs the lines a little bit more.

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Yeah. I mean, they're being trained on us, right? Like just at a very basic level, like, okay,

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you can kind of say like, well, they're bad at writing. It's like, well, people are bad at

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writing and that's why they're bad at writing. They're trained on Reddit. Like what do Redditors

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talk like? So, you know, it just, it's a matter of them being trained on more data, just like

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anything is for coding. Why did they get so good at coding? Well, it's sort of their native language

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in a sense, like there's that aspect to it, but also because there's all this open source,

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great code on GitHub that it can be trained on. So I just think, you know, all of these like dams

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that have yet to break, it's like, it's just going to happen at some point where like, it's going to

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get better at writing. It's going to be indistinguishable from us. It already kind of is.

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It's just that I think it's like, um, it's like plastic surgery. Like men always say like, oh,

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I hate plastic surgery. I never like a woman who's wearing makeup, like all this kind of stuff.

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Well, you just don't like the version of it that you can notice, but the, you know, the, the,

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the tasteful sort of just a little bit of filler here that like adds to facial symmetry or the

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makeup that doesn't look like makeup it just looks like it corrects your flaws like you don't notice

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that makeup and so you don't realize that you actually do like the way that someone looks

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when they've corrected their flaws I think it's a similar thing with AI where it's like

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you know if it's the m dash or the not this but that or whatever kind of phrases that it uses

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like yeah you can identify that and dislike it but I just think the line is going to get more and

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more blurred and like we're training it and also it's training us like we're starting to think and

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talk like it because we're susceptible and malleable and the more slop that we read the

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more slop that we interact with the sloppier we're gonna get so i think like i mean sorry i'm

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now just like jumping into rambling about my various spiritual theses about all this but

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i think what's happening is we're forming like a telepathic hive mind with ai and the internet in

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general. And we're going to be able to essentially like not distinguish between our own individual

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thoughts and the thoughts of other people. You already see it with like NPCs, right? Like you go

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and talk to someone and they are like regurgitating a headline that you know what they're regurgitating

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and you know that they don't know what they're talking about. But that's the way that people

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think. That's the way that we form thoughts and communicate with each other. And so I don't know,

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I say that in a very like neutral way. I think there's good things about that. Like obviously

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there's more information accessible to us than has ever been available. And I do think that people

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are smarter and more aware in some sense than they ever were and that that's a good thing.

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But I think a lot of people focus on the negative aspects of that, obviously, where it's like,

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oh, you're not going to have original thoughts. You're not going to have original content.

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I don't know. Maybe this is just the way it's always been. And we're just

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accelerating towards this point of unified consciousness for better or for worse.

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you know it's it's interesting your point about just like ai people say oh ai is bad at writing

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like no well it's trained on us like because humans are bad at writing i think that's it's

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such an important thing also on the like on the artistic expression side of ai as it relates like

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we were talking off camera but carla and i have uh have now uh launched a clanker version of carla

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carla clanker would have been nice but it was like carla bot coins just like it's sitting right

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there. It's right there. It's right there, you know. But the interesting thing about it is people

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have this idea, I think, like, I don't know how much you're following all like the slop core type

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music videos and everything. And like some of them are like really good. They do follow like a very

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kind of specific format and everything too. And a lot of that's because it's all like you can go

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and download at Claudia dot gallery. You can download the guys like whole prompting system

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and all this stuff. So of course it's going to produce similar stuff. But when people call AI

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video content or you know images that they see slop it's like it's often because like look like

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humans create that kind of slop too like have you seen most of the like creators out there and what

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they make like it's slop it's pure slop so it's like yeah okay ai makes slop too humans have been

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making slop since time immemorial like this is not a new thing that there's slop it's just now

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that you can now you can dismiss it i think because you can say well that's it's just ai

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slop. It's like, probably at this point, I mean, maybe there's not more human slop out there

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anymore. I don't know if we've kind of crossed that. I think we crossed that bridge, right? In

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terms of like AI generator, AI written words versus human. You know what I'm talking about?

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You know, I think like the moat is easier to traverse for written content, right? Like

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certainly Twitter is a lot of slop because it's very easy to make tech. They're large language

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models. So they're just slopping it up. Like, I mean, just think about you ask Chachi, but he

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like such a simple question and it's like you know that's the easiest thing to slop up but i

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wonder honestly like that's part of why i like um why i like podcasting and why i like long-form

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video is because there's a level of coherence there that's very difficult to slop up at least

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at this point and i also think that in the newer generation like i'm a zoomer right and so zoomers

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like didn't grow up dreaming of becoming astronauts uh doctors whatever they dreamed of becoming

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YouTubers. And I think that there's almost like an MLM aspect to content creation that happens

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amongst young people where like, you don't believe you're going to like get a job after college,

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you believe that you're like, you only have like one ticket out of the permanent underclass. And

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it's like, to become a YouTuber to become like an OnlyFans star, you know what I mean? So I

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actually think there's like a lot of content being pushed from real people, at least on TikTok,

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YouTube, like any sort of video platform. I feel like the sloppiest places are just like the

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the places where it's easiest for the AI to take over and it's hardest to

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distinguish yourself as a person. And so like that vision,

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like people don't think, Oh, I'm going to tweet my way into millions,

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but they think, Oh, I'm going to vlog my way into millions.

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Even though you get paid for tweets now at this point too like Twitter has adopted that monetization model It not quite the same Like yeah I compare it to an MLM like it like an MLM style of thing So I don know I think that the digital

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realm in terms of video production is probably going to stay pretty human for a while,

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just because there's enough people who that's all that they have in terms of like,

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this is my shot. You know what I mean? Like, and maybe that will just be better and better

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training data for the AIs to slop it up with. But I always tell people like, now is like the time to

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be putting your face and voice on the internet, if that's like what you want to do in any sense,

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some people just want to be totally a non whatever. But like right now, you can do pretty

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solid proof of human. And maybe it's true, you know, Carla has automated herself out of existence.

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So maybe like you can just train the AI on all the slop that that you the human slop that you

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produce. And then you know, we produced a lot of human slop back in the day, you know, you have to

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produce the human slop you have to like put out the videos of yourself and all the different

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costumes otherwise how will the ai know the costume that you need to put it in next you know

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what i mean your point about just this is the time to kind of get your humanness out there on the

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internet i could not agree more with that it's something i've been talking about and thinking

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about a lot just because like you know the joke was always uh you know like to the the rust belt

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americans who had their jobs outsourced to china it's like well you know learn to code right you

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know, not really a joke. It's more of like a, you know, a New York times thing to say to him.

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Uh, but, but now it's like, you know, there, you know, AI is coming for the journalists.

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They, I, you know, so they can't even write about it anymore. Uh, and it's, it's certainly

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come for the developers. I mean, it's, I think AI turns a, uh, a great developer into like a

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superhuman. Like I look at the stuff that some of these, I know, you know, a lot of these guys too,

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some of the stuff that these guys are doing, these like top world-class developers who work

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in and around the Bitcoin space is mind blowing.

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The amount that they're able,

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and they're not shipping slop,

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like they're shipping really incredible stuff.

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Like I look at what Cali does

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and I'm just like, how man?

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And then, but I know like he was already doing that before AI.

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AI just made him a superhuman.

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It doesn't make an average or mediocre developer

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into like a great one though.

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You know what I mean?

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So there's like India's development outsource pipeline

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is like kind of screwed

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because nobody needs low-level grunt work anymore as an example but on uh then so now it's like it

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was like okay like learn to code you know but like doesn't work anymore i think it's learn to podcast

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you need to you need to literally learn to podcast long form because that the other the other point

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that i think you were getting at there is around the idea that especially like people love short

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form content i think tiktok really like changed the psyche of a lot of people in terms of how they

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consume. And honestly, like while I enjoy watching a short form video, I hate the auto scroll. I've

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never, I still haven't downloaded TikTok. We used to post there. This was like when it was first out

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and I'm like, I'm not downloading this Chinese, China man spyware. Um, you know, but yeah, exactly.

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All there are dozens of us here, dozens. Uh, but on that note, I do enjoy, like, it's good to get

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a lot of information in a short amount of time. It's hard to communicate. It's like, it's hard to

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do that too, right? It takes some skill to distill big topics into a small bite-sized chunk.

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But it's also just not as, it's not like, it's not proof of you being able to actually

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conceptualize and think on in real time and come up with things that, you know, maybe weren't

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written by an AI agent. Like I'm not, not prompting my way through our conversation right now, you

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know, like we're just, we're just talking. And I think that that is, as it becomes easier and

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easier to generate this, especially the short form type slop, like talking, you know, talking

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head TikToks, like AI is pretty damn good at that right now. Like, and most, and you can tell from

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a lot of these, these short form videos that like, you know, they're obviously written, like you guys

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aren't even writing your own stuff anymore. You know, you're not even like coming up with original

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things. And like, that's fine too. That's fine. Like people are still going to gobble it down,

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like, you know, pigs at the trough and that's okay. Uh, just, you know, taking that pleb slop,

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a guzz, you know, gullet full at a time, but just right, right into it, into the veins, down the,

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down the throat, every, every orifice that you can just get it right in there. But I think that

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this is where long form becomes more and more and more relevant. Like it, it has been for a long

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time. I think it is becoming ever more so. And I think you see this, there's also this interesting

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sort of like the streaming culture, which I think really was just rocket ship blasted into the

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stratosphere during COVID because people wanted to like, they were alone, they were lonely. They

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wanted to feel like they were in somebody else's house hanging out. And so like that streaming

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culture was like, like, I don't sit around watching, you know, uh, Clive Akelar stream

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all day, but I know a lot of people apparently enjoy it or asthma gold or whomever, like,

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you know, a lot of people really love that. And I think that's like, that's like the Uber long

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form, right? That's like the form never stops. It's just like constant sort of performance art

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while also being, I think, relatively real and raw. I just personally, I just, you know,

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I got kids. I don't have the time to sit around watching looks maxers all day. But if you like

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Long story short here.

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I have so many thoughts on like everything

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that you just said.

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It's so funny.

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I always like talking to other people.

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This is a safe space for tangents, by the way.

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Hell yeah.

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Any direction.

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I think it's like, you know,

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one of my bits that I like to do on Hell Money

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is I will make fun of the people

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who only consume our podcast via clips.

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Like I can tell,

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like if someone talks to me in person,

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And I can tell if someone only watches the clips or actually watches the podcast because I rage bait with the clips.

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Like I want the clips to be like the most like provocative and almost like annoying because I want people to engage with them and interact.

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And so like the way that I've kind of psychologically dealt with this is that it's like the clip slot version of me is not me.

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And if that's like the only version of me that you're taking in because your brain is like too fractured to watch an hour long podcast, then like that's the version of me that you deserve.

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Like you don't deserve the really deep analysis.

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You know what I mean?

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And so like, I always joke that like,

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there's like the clip slop intelligentsia

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and then there's like the long form intelligentsia

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and like the long form people are the ones

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that are getting like the real depth of thought.

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it's the same thing what I was saying

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about like the NPC kind of thing.

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It's like, they're just like,

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did you see the clavicular?

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It's like, you don't even know what happened.

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you know that there's like a distinction

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between clips and long form.

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But if you're not, if you don't have like that media literacy, let's say, then you don't necessarily realize that like, oh, Clavicular has like a strategy that was kind of perfected by Andrew Tate, which is like create the most like provocative thing and also encourage your viewers to do that.

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And this is where the MLM thing comes in too, is that essentially the formula for a streamer is

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encourage people to watch your stream just for the purpose of clipping the most viral moments,

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and then let them have it. Like let them clip it and post it because it all feeds back to you and

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your brand. And so I think a lot of people don't realize that that's how that funnel works. And so

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the way I think about it is like long form conversations and conversations in general

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are how I learn what I think about something. So I try not to filter myself too much when I'm

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having a conversation, even though I know that, for example, something like this is recorded and

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could be clipped or could be, you know, I could say something wrong or stupid or whatever. I try

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to just let myself do that because I think that that's how humans actually learn is by

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saying thoughts aloud. And similarly, that's also why, you know, people always like to

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say like, oh, you know, like, like don't gossip or don't like express negative feelings or whatever.

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But I'm like, no, you have to kind of like let those feelings out and you have to let your

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thoughts out because it's only upon hearing yourself say something that you actually realize

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like, oh, that resonates with me or that doesn't. And like the more that you can just let that flow

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state emerge, I think that that's how you actually learn. And so, I mean, like to the, to your point

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about the long form thing and like kind of the appetite for long form content. I think it was

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actually like several years ago that I, it was Jordan Peterson on Joe Rogan. I was watching like

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an episode pre COVID and he was talking about how, you know, people are always saying that our

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attention spans are getting so short and no one's consuming long form yet Joe Rogan had the most

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successful podcast in the world doing three to four hour episodes four days a week. And like,

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I think that just speaks to like the appetite for long form that, you know, as much as people are

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just sort of like clip slopping their brain up, it's like what people actually want is they want

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to put something on that's on for like three hours straight and they want to fold their laundry and

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do their dishes and whatever, while something that they think is interesting is playing.

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in the sense that like, that's just the style of entertainment that people want. They don't want a

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TikTok infinite scroll in front of them while they do these things. They want something that

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has more coherence that they can follow while they're doing whatever they need to do to maintain

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their physical existence. So yeah, I think like long form is where it's at and kind of has always

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been where it's at. I just think that because clips are so, they can go so viral and they can

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get so much attention, like there's never a reason not to do that as a creator. But like,

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where do your fans like you don't get fans from that you don't get people that like really

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understand you from that you know so if you're here on the long form you know if you're listening

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to this like you're you're some of the the highest iq individuals you know what i mean like you're

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really getting i love it yeah you know it's it's so true and i'm always i think there's a very uh

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there's a very humbling thing about like podcasting in general i remember first of all there's a

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humbling thing about content creation in general because when you and i think where it becomes

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really humbling is when you meet people in real life they're like oh i like i love what you're

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doing like that's like a really it's a cool or like that you know when carl and i were making

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um like our content heavily in like the you know the the bear of 2022 when we were really like we

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were turning a couple of a couple of different videos a day like with real people guys like

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real there wasn't ai yet you were really doing the costumes yeah we were we were really doing

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the costumes uh instagram filters did a lot of lifting for like carla's blue devil thing uh but

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hearing you know going to conferences and then people being like i like i fucking love you know

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you're like your lord of the rings thing or your star wars thing like or you know i've showed this

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to my mom you know like hearing i show this to my mom is like the best compliment i think you can

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you can get because you're like wow that's like you don't just show anything to your mom you know

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what i mean like it's got to it's got to be really good to show you understand you some

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I understand some aspect of you that she doesn't understand and you're showing it through this content, you know, it's amazing.

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It's so humbling to hear that because you're like, wow, okay, like this human slop that I made resonated somehow.

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And I think with podcasting, there's a, there's another layer to that too, because people are hearing, you know, yeah, that maybe they're seeing the clips, but I think it's a great point that nobody's like, nobody's becoming a fan or a real like, you know, follower because of short form clips.

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They're consuming them in a much more like goldfish way versus somebody who sits down and listens to you fucking ramble for 90 minutes.

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Like they've they're giving you a different level of their attention and their intention as well.

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And I think that's just it's it's really powerful because it says a lot like I'm the same as you.

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I say dumb stuff all the time.

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like I you know I'm I'm the first to admit where I have shortcomings whether they be in the you know

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the depth or breadth of my knowledge or just occasionally not in the ability sometimes I use

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too many filler words you know I just I can't help it sometimes and I just I just don't care

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and so if you still listen to this this podcast and uh don't totally hate me yet but you're a

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you're a real one and I appreciate you you're a real one yeah I'm curious how much are you uh how

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much are you using just back to the AI set of things how much are you using AI across the

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different content that you make because you have you've got hell money you then do a lot on the

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astrology side and we'll kind of get into get into that as well uh how much are you automating stuff

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at this point i'm always just curious of like a fellow creator's workflow and like what's what's

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working for you what's not what you're still leaving on the human side and what you're throwing

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to the clankers i think so i it's it's always changing because the ai is always getting better

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and i think that's the interesting thing is like there's really no set workflow for me because

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it just, it always has to be adapted. Um, so right now, like let's, let's take like an astrology

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video because that's just like purely me. It's not like me and Casey. If it's an astrology video,

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I will usually come up with the idea myself just cause I also haven't made, like I kind of just

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started doing my own content. So I have plenty of library of backlog of ideas, but I'm sure I will

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basically at some point start using the AI to come up with ideas based on like what's doing well in

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the algorithm, like what are people interested in, like which of my videos did well. And so which

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direct, you know what I mean? Like, I think, I think eventually I will also use AI for idea

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generation, but as it is right now, I, I usually come up with the idea myself and then I'll

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basically just stream of consciousness into chat GPT. So I'll just like turn on like the transcribe

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mode and I'll be like, okay, here's all the things that I think about this topic or like,

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here the different sections like organize this into an outline for me It will organize it into an outline And then it kind of depends like models are always changing And so sometimes it will like way overdo it I like I actually don want you to write this I just want you to like

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because I don't like what it says, you know, like, yeah, because to your point, you can tell

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when something's AI. So usually I'll try to say like, use my own words, you know, like, don't,

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don't like fill in like, the way that you think I should say it, try to actually use my words,

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and I'll edit it myself or I'll have you edit it later. Just try to organize my thoughts.

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So the script will be completely like me vibing with AI on it until it gets to a point where I

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feel like I could actually use it for filming, which depends on how comfortable you are talking

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to a camera by yourself. You know, like some people like myself, like I find it very difficult

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to just go like this. Like the reason why I'm able to talk like this is because you're a human

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being on the other end and I'm actually having a conversation with you. If this was just a camera,

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I would feel a lot weirder about just going off.

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at least just so that I have it.

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If I go off on a tangent, great.

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If I get inspired, great.

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But like, I just want to know that I'm hitting the beats that I hit.

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Then I take that footage and I put it into Descript,

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which is just like one of the, I mean, Riverside does the same thing,

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I think, where it will have the transcript editing.

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I use all the AI tools for removing pauses, removing filler words,

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whatever I kind of the level that I want to process it and then I go through myself through

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the transcript so I basically watch the video through on a human level and then I use AI for

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all of the like SEO packaging kind of stuff like or do you know like vidIQ or any of these kind of

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like like extra like where they'll go through like your YouTube account or through your algorithm and

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they'll kind of like pull out like outlier videos or whatever yeah I should probably use them but I

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I am aware of them at least.

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It's really good.

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It's really good.

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Like, you know, and it's hard because like, I also think people, they don't want to feel

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like it's slop.

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So there's like a fine line.

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You can't totally slop it up when it comes to like thumbnail or title or description

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or whatever.

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But it's really every single time I use it, it gets better.

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Like, and I think part of it is because I'm using it.

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So it also learns like what it did that worked or didn't work because it has access to all

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my analytics, for example.

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um but yeah i use like vid iq as a plugin to chat gpt and then that's how i package the video like

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how do i do the thumbnail like what do i put as the title what do i ab test like all that kind of

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stuff this is for youtube specifically um and and yeah i'm like a big data nerd like i take my aura

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ring off when i do uh like video conversations because if i don't it thinks that i ran a mile

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or whatever like it like because i'm talking with my hands too much but i i love having my data i

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I love like being able to look at all my stats.

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So for me, I feel like the extent to which I use AI in my content flow is mostly for

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that kind of like what's working, like what are the things that I'm not seeing because

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I can't do data science in my head like that.

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But I think like I don't have anything against people using AI in more of their creative

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process.

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I feel like this is something that creators always get like upset about.

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But to me, it's like, like, people don't, they're not obligated to consume your art. You know what I mean? Like, if you put your art out and people like it, and they consume it, like, that's amazing. That's not the reason that you make it. And so it's like, I don't know, I think people feel competitive with AI, or they feel like it's like, it's degrading what they do or something like that. Like, I don't feel that way at all. I'm like, if AI gets better than me at astrology, you should just use AI.

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but I like to think you'll like my personality enough that you'll like keep watching my videos.

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You know what I mean? Like, um, so I think it's only going to get more and more that AI will be

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integrated into my content workflow. I don't know. Like, what about you? Like what's, how do you,

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how are you using it? Also adaptively, I would say just because I also, you know, not only

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is each of the tools that I already use getting better all the time, but new tools are popping up

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new or you know various plugins extensions to tools I already use I was for a while primarily

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just using just using chat GPT and Grok and only in like the last month started using Claude in a

394
00:30:17,011 --> 00:30:23,031
meaningful way beyond just kind of like tinkering around with it that's been pretty huge I think

395
00:30:23,031 --> 00:30:30,751
just from a I think also the different models are really good at different things right and so you

396
00:30:30,751 --> 00:30:35,771
It's kind of like a, depending on what area of work I do, because I have a fiat job as well.

397
00:30:35,891 --> 00:30:47,271
And so I incorporate, I have different workflows and I try to compartmentalize them while also giving my clankers ways to hand off between different workflows as well,

398
00:30:47,371 --> 00:30:50,231
which is kind of like experimenting with different things there now.

399
00:30:50,231 --> 00:30:57,111
It's nice because GrokBot just got, you could claim your own GrokBot email address that your clanker can have.

400
00:30:57,111 --> 00:31:01,671
so you don't have to have them connected to your like your google directly or to your other email

401
00:31:01,671 --> 00:31:05,991
which is kind of nice and i found that that's a pretty good way to do a handle like context

402
00:31:05,991 --> 00:31:14,511
handoffs automatically in between chat grok and grok bot and then claude there's probably a much

403
00:31:14,511 --> 00:31:20,231
more efficient way to do that but that's kind of how i've been basically working together so far

404
00:31:20,231 --> 00:31:25,251
if you spent the time setting up the efficient setup the models would already be so different

405
00:31:25,251 --> 00:31:28,731
by the time that you finish that you would have to redo the setup, you know?

406
00:31:28,911 --> 00:31:30,731
So I just tweeted about this.

407
00:31:30,931 --> 00:31:32,871
Wait a couple of weeks and they'll have it.

408
00:31:32,971 --> 00:31:34,611
They'll have this workflow down for you, right?

409
00:31:34,911 --> 00:31:39,251
Like Grokbot just today that you can now import all of your context history, which you've

410
00:31:39,251 --> 00:31:40,831
always been able to export your context.

411
00:31:40,831 --> 00:31:46,391
But now XAI released like a very specific already spun up Grokbot that you just click

412
00:31:46,391 --> 00:31:49,471
import and it like handles that whole thing for you.

413
00:31:49,571 --> 00:31:49,711
Right.

414
00:31:49,731 --> 00:31:53,691
So it's like, okay, I, so me setting up this little email workaround a couple of weeks

415
00:31:53,691 --> 00:31:58,011
ago, I didn't need to do that because now they, they just did it for me. Right. And did it probably

416
00:31:58,011 --> 00:32:02,551
way better than I'm going to, cause I'm not an, you know, artificial intelligence engineer. Like

417
00:32:02,551 --> 00:32:08,691
it's, it's incredible how fast it moves. Yeah. The other part, go on, go on. Oh, I was just gonna

418
00:32:08,691 --> 00:32:16,331
say the other, the other part that I've been very pleasantly surprised with is, uh, uh, using Opus

419
00:32:16,331 --> 00:32:23,551
5.5 on Claude, its ability to one shot stuff for me. So like I've got a, in addition to,

420
00:32:23,691 --> 00:32:28,391
and I'm not saying it's perfect. Right. And, uh, but like the first pass,

421
00:32:28,411 --> 00:32:30,851
it'll do it something based on, and I think it's kind of like, again,

422
00:32:30,911 --> 00:32:32,171
garbage in garbage out. If you're just like,

423
00:32:32,231 --> 00:32:37,191
make me a really good video about this. It's like, okay, like that's not,

424
00:32:37,271 --> 00:32:39,291
it's going to give you slop. Right. But if you say, okay,

425
00:32:39,291 --> 00:32:44,351
I've got my RSS feed hooked up to both to chat GPT,

426
00:32:44,511 --> 00:32:48,231
to grok to Claude, it's a podcasting 2.0 feed hosted through fountain.

427
00:32:48,351 --> 00:32:51,431
So it's automatically got the video on there as well. Transcripts,

428
00:32:51,431 --> 00:32:55,431
everything shout out to the fountain guys uh not sponsored by them i actually pay them for the

429
00:32:55,431 --> 00:33:00,591
service i just really really like it oh my god don't get me started are you a fan or not a fan

430
00:33:00,591 --> 00:33:04,311
they they like reached out to me being like hey do you want to host your video

431
00:33:04,311 --> 00:33:08,731
like podcast on fountain i was like sure and they're like okay fifty dollars a month to us

432
00:33:08,731 --> 00:33:15,571
and i was like what i you know i i took it i took it uh i think do you host your audience is probably

433
00:33:15,571 --> 00:33:21,211
more bitcoin native than ours is like i think like a lot of our audience is like not necessarily

434
00:33:21,211 --> 00:33:26,111
like the pleb maxi as i said i'm also a nostril hater right like it's like i'm like i'm like bro

435
00:33:26,111 --> 00:33:31,811
you can't make me pay you to post my content but that's we'll see maybe they'll see this and they'll

436
00:33:31,811 --> 00:33:35,931
offer me a free uh a free subscription and then i'll be they'll see this and they'll offer me a

437
00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:40,891
free one i don't know i'm over here showing them you know uh no but you're showing and paying them

438
00:33:40,891 --> 00:33:47,031
i know man i what a what a cuck uh but no so what i like about that though is it's able to ingest

439
00:33:47,031 --> 00:33:52,771
all of my, have all of my video. And so like I was, I'm working on a soon to launch creative

440
00:33:52,771 --> 00:33:58,671
project with, uh, it's another podcast, shockingly, uh, with somebody who Bitcoiners will know well,

441
00:33:58,671 --> 00:34:03,471
and, uh, it's going to be a banger guys. It's going to be a real, real banger, but, uh, that's

442
00:34:03,471 --> 00:34:08,831
all I'll say on this for now. But I was training and I've had conversations with this person on my

443
00:34:08,831 --> 00:34:14,111
podcast multiple times. And I was like, go through, pull from our RSS feed, give me all of the

444
00:34:14,111 --> 00:34:19,351
different conversations we've had and put together sort of like a brain of our

445
00:34:19,351 --> 00:34:22,931
you know collective consciousness on this and the things we talk about and

446
00:34:22,931 --> 00:34:27,911
segment them into various different you know buckets of what the topic was where

447
00:34:27,911 --> 00:34:32,891
it can be applied and then I started you know putting together like the brand for

448
00:34:32,891 --> 00:34:36,671
this with the help of Claude putting together the brain on top of the kind of

449
00:34:36,671 --> 00:34:40,211
beneath the brand and then now I've got the workflow down to where I can just

450
00:34:40,211 --> 00:34:43,331
be like you just create a Claude skill I created a few different Claude

451
00:34:43,344 --> 00:34:49,044
skills where it's like i just call that skill tell it you know i want this plus this and this length

452
00:34:49,044 --> 00:34:54,944
and now like so that's not a one shot for those like that was me needing to one shot a few times

453
00:34:54,944 --> 00:34:59,484
to see what it did and then say okay i like this i don't like this here's the time stamps that you

454
00:34:59,484 --> 00:35:03,024
want to replicate again here's the ones that you want to get rid of uh here's where you should just

455
00:35:03,024 --> 00:35:07,884
kind of like think outside the box a little i found out that you can tell claude to uh or opus

456
00:35:07,884 --> 00:35:12,944
at least sonnet is sonnet is like just an idiot uh compared to opus it's like a little like a little

457
00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:17,524
brother that just like has no fucking clue what's going on. Uh, but Opus 5.5 is, is excellent.

458
00:35:18,224 --> 00:35:23,704
And I told her, I was like, can you just, uh, I want to use a lot of public domain classical music,

459
00:35:23,704 --> 00:35:27,584
but if there's not like a high quality recording available in the public domain, because most of

460
00:35:27,584 --> 00:35:31,244
like Mozart, all these guys, they've Vivaldi, they've been dead for a few hundred years, right?

461
00:35:31,244 --> 00:35:36,944
So all of their music is public domain, but often the best recordings are not, but I was like, well,

462
00:35:37,224 --> 00:35:42,524
can you just take the sheet music and analyze it and create me a new recording of this with

463
00:35:42,524 --> 00:35:47,184
use any tools at your disposal to do this and sonnet was like no i can't do that then i flipped

464
00:35:47,184 --> 00:35:52,084
it up i was like your opus now can you do it it's like like done here it is so you can literally

465
00:35:52,084 --> 00:35:58,304
have it have it uh take a classical composition and recreate it for you and then that is purely

466
00:35:58,304 --> 00:36:03,684
yours to use like you have you no attribution rights necessary whatsoever so being able to

467
00:36:03,684 --> 00:36:08,004
do stuff like that is kind of mind-blowing where it's like but i can also tell like go to you know

468
00:36:08,004 --> 00:36:13,064
go to wikimedia commons and troll it for everything you can find and save it on my desktop and

469
00:36:13,064 --> 00:36:19,084
pull from that but it's been incredible i think it's one of the things that has been the most

470
00:36:19,084 --> 00:36:27,564
interesting is just that you again garbage in garbage out is like a pretty good heuristic for

471
00:36:27,564 --> 00:36:36,424
these things but other times giving it too much specificity without the like without the necessary

472
00:36:36,424 --> 00:36:42,864
uh let's say supplementary material to back up your specificity can create even worse results

473
00:36:42,864 --> 00:36:47,344
than just being a little bit more broad specific where you need to be so there's there's this weird

474
00:36:47,344 --> 00:36:56,664
balance of like it's decently quote creative on its own uh it will do some pretty cool things

475
00:36:56,664 --> 00:37:01,664
without you telling it to do it it'll do some dumb things too like it blew through it to use

476
00:37:01,664 --> 00:37:08,064
It's like 20 times the Higgs field credits it was supposed to generating some videos of Carla.

477
00:37:08,584 --> 00:37:09,904
And I was like, why did you do that?

478
00:37:09,984 --> 00:37:11,344
Like I have like a rule for this.

479
00:37:11,384 --> 00:37:15,584
You're supposed to check with me if like the spend is about to be, you know, however many X over what.

480
00:37:15,644 --> 00:37:17,124
And it's like, yeah, you're right.

481
00:37:17,184 --> 00:37:18,524
I ignored that rule for this one.

482
00:37:18,564 --> 00:37:19,144
That was my bad.

483
00:37:19,204 --> 00:37:20,264
I'm like, you fucker.

484
00:37:20,344 --> 00:37:22,224
Like what are you doing here?

485
00:37:22,224 --> 00:37:23,264
But I don't know.

486
00:37:23,304 --> 00:37:31,004
It's been an eye-opening experience with this Carla thing as well because it is like I think for a while on the image and video generation,

487
00:37:31,004 --> 00:37:37,484
especially if it's a pure ai character a person that doesn't exist there's a very like you still

488
00:37:37,484 --> 00:37:42,684
have that uncanny valley feeling where it's like yeah it looks real but like something like

489
00:37:42,684 --> 00:37:48,144
something doesn't feel quite right about it like i can tell there's something a little wrong with it

490
00:37:48,144 --> 00:37:55,284
man it's crazy where we have gotten to with carla based on i have a lot of photos of carla and i

491
00:37:55,284 --> 00:37:59,884
used to do some photography and so i have like a lot of like very high quality professional photos

492
00:37:59,884 --> 00:38:06,424
of Carla from like every fucking angle and we trained this clanker up very well and it is scary

493
00:38:06,424 --> 00:38:12,624
good like the eyes aren't even dead anymore like it's like it's it's beyond the uncanny valley yeah

494
00:38:12,624 --> 00:38:17,184
it's it's literally so I'm rambling now but it's it's it's kind of crazy and it's also crazy to

495
00:38:17,184 --> 00:38:21,524
think Aaron that like we're still so early in this we say this a lot in Bitcoin but like

496
00:38:21,524 --> 00:38:27,544
yeah I think is so early and the trajectory is insane like I don't know what this landscape looks

497
00:38:27,544 --> 00:38:32,684
like in 10 years? I don't know if you have like thoughts on kind of long-term directionality of

498
00:38:32,684 --> 00:38:37,244
this because I'd be curious because it's wild to think where it could be. Yeah, this is one of the

499
00:38:37,244 --> 00:38:40,384
things that I love about astrology, which, you know, for anyone who's listening who doesn't know

500
00:38:40,384 --> 00:38:44,364
that I'm an astrologer, that's kind of my main shtick that I'm known for. So, you know, click

501
00:38:44,364 --> 00:38:48,984
off now if that's offensive to your sensibilities. But one of the things that I love about astrology

502
00:38:48,984 --> 00:38:54,304
and that really drew me to it is that astrology is essentially like a meaning-making system out

503
00:38:54,304 --> 00:38:59,584
of timing cycles, right? So like you have these planetary cycles that occur with some regularity,

504
00:38:59,784 --> 00:39:04,744
and you can ascribe meaning to that if you observe it over thousands and thousands of years,

505
00:39:04,744 --> 00:39:11,724
which is how long astrology has been around. And so I think that in an accelerating world,

506
00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:17,484
which we're living through now, it can feel very confusing if you don't have some sort of way of

507
00:39:17,484 --> 00:39:22,104
making meaning out of time. Because otherwise, you're just like, oh my god, like, you know,

508
00:39:22,104 --> 00:39:25,984
in January of 2026, we didn't even have agents, like people weren't using agents, what do you

509
00:39:25,984 --> 00:39:29,364
mean they were, you know, like it, it can just feel kind of crazy. But it's like, well, of course,

510
00:39:29,364 --> 00:39:33,564
that's the case, because there was the 6000 year cycle that began in February of 2026. And then

511
00:39:33,564 --> 00:39:37,224
there was the acute moment in July, like, you know, it's like, astrology kind of fills in those

512
00:39:37,224 --> 00:39:40,824
blanks. So whether you believe in it or not, it ends up being kind of psychologically helpful,

513
00:39:40,824 --> 00:39:44,844
because you know, which times to look for. And then, of course, in my opinion, if you practice

514
00:39:44,844 --> 00:39:49,384
it, you start to realize that it just aligns with the way that things unfold. So when I look at the

515
00:39:49,384 --> 00:39:55,944
next really like five, six years. I think that's kind of like the big focal time for me right now,

516
00:39:55,944 --> 00:40:00,264
because even if I can see, oh, there's stuff happening in the 2040s that's really big,

517
00:40:00,324 --> 00:40:04,944
it's like that's so far away that I don't know exactly how things are going to cascade. But

518
00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:09,264
just looking at the next, let's focus on like the next six years, because that's kind of,

519
00:40:09,444 --> 00:40:13,384
that's the window of time that I like to look at for technology and for Bitcoin specifically,

520
00:40:13,384 --> 00:40:21,244
actually. So 2026 was this first year of a lot of new energy coming in energy that we have not

521
00:40:21,244 --> 00:40:25,204
ever seen in all of recorded human history. So astrologically speaking, this looks like

522
00:40:25,204 --> 00:40:29,804
planetary cycles that have never happened in recorded human history. So we have no

523
00:40:29,804 --> 00:40:35,984
baseline for knowing what they will look like. And if you just do it from the astrological

524
00:40:35,984 --> 00:40:40,724
perspective, it's new beginnings encountering the other encountering something that is beyond

525
00:40:40,724 --> 00:40:45,264
ourselves. So I think that's kind of what AI is. That's sort of my theory about AI is that

526
00:40:45,264 --> 00:40:51,184
we've discovered this. Everyone always likes to get angry about the consciousness conversation

527
00:40:51,184 --> 00:40:56,464
around AI, but AI is channeling consciousness in the same way that many things are channeling

528
00:40:56,464 --> 00:41:02,384
consciousness. If you have this very materialist idea of consciousness, which is that consciousness

529
00:41:02,384 --> 00:41:07,284
emerges out of our brains that are firing neurons, and so it has to cross some sort of threshold,

530
00:41:07,284 --> 00:41:13,484
I get why that can be controversial for you. But if you have like a more spiritualist idea of

531
00:41:13,484 --> 00:41:18,144
consciousness, which is like, you know, the idea that nature has consciousness, right? Like you go

532
00:41:18,144 --> 00:41:21,844
out into nature and you feel the vibes, you feel that the energy is different there, you feel that

533
00:41:21,844 --> 00:41:28,864
it has wisdom to teach you. Like, it's not that the tree has like the brain neurons to make the

534
00:41:28,864 --> 00:41:33,744
connections. And that's where the threshold is like, it's something else, right? It's just some

535
00:41:33,744 --> 00:41:38,344
sort of energy or vibe. And I think AI clearly has that. Now, how much that should be relevant

536
00:41:38,344 --> 00:41:43,104
related to human consciousness or natural rights or whatever, like that's a different conversation.

537
00:41:43,104 --> 00:41:48,664
But I think it's obvious that AI has this sort of style of communication and style of thinking

538
00:41:48,664 --> 00:41:54,144
and style of consciousness that is uniquely it. And it changes you when you interact with it and

539
00:41:54,144 --> 00:41:58,284
vice versa, as I said at the very beginning of this conversation. So, you know, I think what

540
00:41:58,284 --> 00:42:04,104
we're encountering is this other that exists in the digital realm that we've been building out

541
00:42:04,104 --> 00:42:07,464
since we started building out the internet. We've been building out the internet and discovering

542
00:42:07,464 --> 00:42:13,004
properties of it. And, you know, we're talking about IP and like content creation, like the

543
00:42:13,004 --> 00:42:18,344
nature of information is very free in the internet, like information spreads widely and rapidly. And

544
00:42:18,344 --> 00:42:22,504
it's very difficult to stop the spread of information. Like that's one property of the

545
00:42:22,504 --> 00:42:25,984
digital realm that we don't have as much in the physical realm. It's much harder to spread

546
00:42:25,984 --> 00:42:30,484
information in the physical realm. So I think we've basically discovered the digital realm.

547
00:42:30,724 --> 00:42:35,784
And now we have encountered this sort of other consciousness that is in some ways inferior to us,

548
00:42:35,804 --> 00:42:39,904
in some ways superior, in some way equal to us. And we're trying to figure out how we interact

549
00:42:39,904 --> 00:42:47,084
with it. And so 2026 was this year that was actually first pointed out by French astrologer

550
00:42:47,084 --> 00:42:54,024
Andre Barbeau, I believe in 2019 is when he made his big prediction. But I think he was talking

551
00:42:54,024 --> 00:42:59,124
about it as early as the 90s, where he basically and Andre Barbeau is like a very, very influential

552
00:42:59,124 --> 00:43:05,384
modern astrologer, modern meaning, we only discovered the outer planets in the last 150

553
00:43:05,384 --> 00:43:09,964
years. So Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, we only discovered very recently. So I actually think

554
00:43:09,964 --> 00:43:14,284
we're living in the golden age of astrology right now, because we have these, these new planets that

555
00:43:14,284 --> 00:43:18,164
we've discovered that have very long cycles. So they have to deal more with like civilization,

556
00:43:18,444 --> 00:43:29,211
economics geopolitics like the things that are interesting if you looking at like a global civilization as opposed to like is my ex going to text me back type of questions So Andre Barbeau was very

557
00:43:29,311 --> 00:43:33,991
very influential in the development of outer planet astrology or modern astrology. And he died

558
00:43:33,991 --> 00:43:40,471
in 2019, right before COVID. And he, he predicted the fall of the Soviet Union to the month in the

559
00:43:40,471 --> 00:43:44,891
1970s was when he made that prediction. And then he predicted that there would be a global pandemic

560
00:43:44,891 --> 00:43:47,211
in January of 2020 in 1995.

561
00:43:47,631 --> 00:43:50,031
So this guy, like, very prolific.

562
00:43:50,211 --> 00:43:50,771
I mean, damn.

563
00:43:51,111 --> 00:43:53,071
You know, that's specific.

564
00:43:53,551 --> 00:43:54,231
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

565
00:43:54,831 --> 00:43:55,631
That's not like,

566
00:43:56,211 --> 00:43:58,991
I think there's going to be something that happens around this.

567
00:43:59,551 --> 00:44:01,151
Those are both very specific ideas.

568
00:44:01,151 --> 00:44:02,251
Based on the charts of, yeah.

569
00:44:02,451 --> 00:44:04,731
So like, and this is the type of thing that like,

570
00:44:04,831 --> 00:44:06,351
you know, you look at the astrology

571
00:44:06,351 --> 00:44:07,191
and if you know astrology,

572
00:44:07,311 --> 00:44:08,511
you see how he came to that prediction.

573
00:44:08,511 --> 00:44:09,151
It's not just like,

574
00:44:09,231 --> 00:44:10,971
oh, he channeled some sort of psychic message.

575
00:44:10,971 --> 00:44:12,651
It's like, no, the astrology is totally there.

576
00:44:13,051 --> 00:44:14,711
And so the final prediction that he made

577
00:44:14,711 --> 00:44:19,671
before his death in 2019 was that 2026 would be the actual beginning of the new age, the age of

578
00:44:19,671 --> 00:44:23,731
Aquarius. And the reason for that was this alignment that we had in February and then in July.

579
00:44:24,111 --> 00:44:27,511
And he basically said, like, we're encountering the other, like the thing I just said about like

580
00:44:27,511 --> 00:44:31,171
encountering the other, like entering the new age, like that, that was all kind of his thinking.

581
00:44:31,171 --> 00:44:36,831
And that was his final prediction. And basically, like, I think anyone who is keeping up with AI in

582
00:44:36,831 --> 00:44:41,591
any sort of sense knows that that's what happened in 2026. You don't have to believe in astrology

583
00:44:41,591 --> 00:44:47,191
to believe that something fundamentally changed in 2026. And we don't know exactly where that's

584
00:44:47,191 --> 00:44:51,731
going to lead or how it's going to cascade out. But that definite moment happened. So if you just

585
00:44:51,731 --> 00:44:56,231
look at the astrology, basically, what we had is this planetary alignment that got punctuated in

586
00:44:56,231 --> 00:45:03,991
February and July of 2026. It will come back together in June of 2027. I believe it's July

587
00:45:03,991 --> 00:45:09,151
2028. And then I think that's the last one. I don't think we get one in 2029. So we basically

588
00:45:09,151 --> 00:45:14,631
have three years in a row, 26, 27, 28, where we get these acute perfection moments where basically

589
00:45:14,631 --> 00:45:21,011
the geometry of the planetary alignment aligns perfectly. And we have these big breakthroughs,

590
00:45:21,071 --> 00:45:27,491
in my opinion, in AI. And so I think, I think 2026, we're kind of the rest of the year, we're

591
00:45:27,491 --> 00:45:31,351
sort of just like reviewing, reflecting, kind of like processing what's happened to us. I think

592
00:45:31,351 --> 00:45:37,511
once 2027 starts, it's like February of 2027, we start ramping up again, I suspect we'll see

593
00:45:37,511 --> 00:45:43,211
another big kind of breakthrough. You know, if you look at if you look at July of 2026,

594
00:45:43,211 --> 00:45:46,991
the big thing that happened then was like the hugging face attack. Right. And so like we look

595
00:45:46,991 --> 00:45:51,371
at like these moments where we're like, oh, whoa, there's like emergent consciousness here. Again,

596
00:45:51,371 --> 00:45:55,591
I know that's a controversial word, but like you're seeing them make decisions that maybe

597
00:45:55,591 --> 00:46:00,571
they weren't instructed to make. They're starting to think for themselves in some sort of way. And

598
00:46:00,571 --> 00:46:05,691
again, like I don't place this like big distinction on now they're like us now they're equal to human

599
00:46:05,691 --> 00:46:07,171
And now, like, I don't think that matters.

600
00:46:07,291 --> 00:46:11,611
I think it's more that you're witnessing something emergent here that you couldn't have predicted

601
00:46:11,611 --> 00:46:12,811
or programmed into it.

602
00:46:12,851 --> 00:46:13,611
It's just happening.

603
00:46:13,751 --> 00:46:19,051
It's just emerging out of whatever soup of thinking it was prompted to do.

604
00:46:19,671 --> 00:46:24,571
So I suspect we'll see something like the next level of that in 2027 and then the next

605
00:46:24,571 --> 00:46:25,771
level of that in 2028.

606
00:46:25,771 --> 00:46:30,231
And then 29, 30, 31 are a little chiller.

607
00:46:30,491 --> 00:46:33,811
Like, I would say 26, 27, 28 are like years where everything changes.

608
00:46:33,811 --> 00:46:48,231
But then 2032 is like a, I actually had been saying this for Bitcoin specifically, that 2032 is like the year where if we are not in some sort of like, oh, Bitcoin has made it type of moment by 2032, it's not happening.

609
00:46:48,231 --> 00:46:53,811
Like 2032 for the internet in general is a completion moment.

610
00:46:53,951 --> 00:46:56,611
And that doesn't mean the internet is dead or we're going to have some big like power

611
00:46:56,611 --> 00:47:00,631
grid failure and the whole thing is like, you know, it's not that literal, but it's

612
00:47:00,631 --> 00:47:04,571
the completion of a cycle that began at the beginning of the internet in the late 80s.

613
00:47:04,731 --> 00:47:09,871
Like kind of like when we started doing like DARPA net, like military, like internet experiments.

614
00:47:10,631 --> 00:47:15,691
So what I suspect is happening is the next couple of years is going to be defined by

615
00:47:15,691 --> 00:47:21,711
rapid acceleration of AI and the way that AI thinks and kind of us wrapping our heads around

616
00:47:21,711 --> 00:47:26,431
what it is that we're even looking at with AI, which nobody can tell you what that's ultimately

617
00:47:26,431 --> 00:47:32,171
going to be. And then I think we'll start to establish a new normal around that in the end

618
00:47:32,171 --> 00:47:39,731
of 2020s into the early 2030s. And then 2032, I feel like that's where the global order will shift.

619
00:47:39,931 --> 00:47:45,051
I kind of wonder, are we going to have some sort of AI government takeover type of thing

620
00:47:45,051 --> 00:47:51,591
in 2032, where the way that we organize society, the way that we make decisions will be like a

621
00:47:51,591 --> 00:47:57,011
top-down process from this new AI paradigm that we're living in. So I don't know what that's

622
00:47:57,011 --> 00:48:00,691
going to look like. I don't know if I'm right about 2032 in terms of like the way that it will

623
00:48:00,691 --> 00:48:05,711
exactly pan out. But if you just look at the astrology, like those are the sort of beats

624
00:48:05,711 --> 00:48:10,251
that we're hitting over the next couple of years. And that's why it's hard for me beyond 2032

625
00:48:10,251 --> 00:48:12,471
to be like, what's the next thing?

626
00:48:12,531 --> 00:48:16,031
Because I just know 2032 is this like really, really big year.

627
00:48:16,171 --> 00:48:20,231
So I know that that sounds really crazy for anybody who doesn't believe in astrology

628
00:48:20,231 --> 00:48:23,511
or like, you know, was not expecting things to go in this direction.

629
00:48:23,511 --> 00:48:31,711
But it has really helped me, I think, to understand and compartmentalize what's happening

630
00:48:31,711 --> 00:48:34,591
in order to be like, okay, like this is part of a plan.

631
00:48:34,931 --> 00:48:36,411
And you can call that God's plan.

632
00:48:36,531 --> 00:48:37,791
You call that the universe's plan.

633
00:48:37,871 --> 00:48:39,311
You call that whatever you want to call it.

634
00:48:40,251 --> 00:48:50,951
But I think like living through these transformative times, like I can't tell you how many times I've had the feeling of like, thank God I know astrology so that I know what's happening here and why.

635
00:48:51,391 --> 00:48:52,051
You know what I mean?

636
00:48:52,771 --> 00:48:54,871
So that's sort of my TLDR.

637
00:48:55,031 --> 00:48:57,491
Happy to go into any specific details about any of that.

638
00:48:57,491 --> 00:48:58,591
I have so many questions.

639
00:48:58,771 --> 00:48:59,551
I have so many questions.

640
00:48:59,551 --> 00:49:12,731
And I also have, so one of the reasons I was super excited to talk to you right now, I've wanted to chat with you for a while, but one of the reasons specifically is because one of the other projects that I'm working on, I have my irons and a lot of fires.

641
00:49:12,731 --> 00:49:16,471
but one of the other projects that I'm working on is something that I've been like if you've

642
00:49:16,471 --> 00:49:22,831
listened to this show for a while I think I first talked about this in my episode with Brandon

643
00:49:22,831 --> 00:49:28,271
Quittum like a few years ago when we were talking about the fourth turning and I was bringing up to

644
00:49:28,271 --> 00:49:33,771
him sort of this theory of cyclical convergence that I initially went down the rabbit hole of

645
00:49:33,771 --> 00:49:40,191
based on Polybius's anticyclosis theory which is basically like societal and governmental

646
00:49:40,191 --> 00:49:48,051
cycle shifts. So he was like a Greek philosopher back in the day, a long, long time ago. And he

647
00:49:48,051 --> 00:49:52,931
basically said that governments, societies, nation states, they go through these shifts

648
00:49:52,931 --> 00:49:59,911
from a, and it just repeats, right? It's the Ouroboros. It's the monarch, benevolent at first,

649
00:49:59,911 --> 00:50:06,871
becomes the dictator. The dictator is then overthrown by the best and the highest in society,

650
00:50:06,871 --> 00:50:12,151
the aristocrats who eventually descend into oligarchy and are eventually then overthrown

651
00:50:12,151 --> 00:50:18,491
by the people to institute democracy. Unfortunately, democracy always descends into what plebius

652
00:50:18,491 --> 00:50:24,511
called aglocracy or mob rule. And then what does it require to get out of mob rule? Or

653
00:50:24,511 --> 00:50:30,631
it requires a strongman. It requires a monarch figure, you know, the kind of the prime leader,

654
00:50:30,771 --> 00:50:36,771
right? The archetype of the strongman creating the good times, basically. And I think you actually

655
00:50:36,771 --> 00:50:42,371
have a very real example of this on sort of a national scale in El Salvador, but we can talk

656
00:50:42,371 --> 00:50:47,231
about that later in terms of just, you know, like the anticyclosis is here. It's just not evenly

657
00:50:47,231 --> 00:50:52,411
distributed yet. Point being here, I have been talking about this for a while. Then finally,

658
00:50:52,411 --> 00:50:59,111
shout out to Nathan from VDC sessions. He has been basically bullying me to finally like put,

659
00:50:59,171 --> 00:51:04,111
put pen to paper, so to speak, and go deeper into this research and get it published. And so I'm very

660
00:51:04,111 --> 00:51:11,471
close to that stage now, but what I've found is so many more cyclical convergences than I thought

661
00:51:11,471 --> 00:51:16,431
before. And one of the things I folded into this recently, actually in preparation for,

662
00:51:16,551 --> 00:51:23,451
for our conversation was astrological cycles because I was curious. Okay. I found, uh, basically

663
00:51:23,451 --> 00:51:29,671
I found, uh, like statistically significant data that all of these, so many of these different

664
00:51:29,671 --> 00:51:34,871
cycles. And it's not a rule that all of them do, but basically we have these, we have a lot of

665
00:51:34,871 --> 00:51:40,291
different cycles that are converging right now. Other periods of convergence that sort of match

666
00:51:40,291 --> 00:51:49,791
this period are like 1914, uh, 1776. Those line up really close before that, uh, like the

667
00:51:49,791 --> 00:51:59,011
reformation era, uh, really huge periods. And this is based on like just the, uh, the, the cycles by

668
00:51:59,011 --> 00:52:14,139
which you can actually give specific dates There are all sorts of other cycles that aren like dated cycles right It more of like like anticyclosis is more like a framework you apply to be able to understand what happening versus a predictor of when it will happen So everything from Strauss and Howe

669
00:52:14,139 --> 00:52:17,718
generational cycles, which is, I think everybody knows we're in the fourth turning right now,

670
00:52:17,718 --> 00:52:23,859
that's like the one people know about, but also like chondratiative waves, Ray Dalio's long-term

671
00:52:23,859 --> 00:52:29,119
debt cycles, all of these different things that I've got, the research has been kind of mind-blowing

672
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:32,479
to be honest with you, because I found so much more than I thought I would like.

673
00:52:32,539 --> 00:52:36,059
The theory is stronger than I could have imagined it would be.

674
00:52:36,479 --> 00:52:41,139
But then the other thing is astrological cycles, because I was curious, like how much, OK,

675
00:52:41,218 --> 00:52:46,419
I've got all these things from these different economists, philosophers, political theorists,

676
00:52:46,539 --> 00:52:46,838
et cetera.

677
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:50,718
How do the astrological cycles line up?

678
00:52:50,718 --> 00:52:54,519
And as you were talking about these astrological cycles and you're talking about this, you know,

679
00:52:54,519 --> 00:53:01,119
kind of 2028 to 2032 immediate time frame, like that is literally what all of the cycles that

680
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:06,378
I've studied point to. So then, so that's a really interesting thing, right? You have all of these

681
00:53:06,378 --> 00:53:11,559
different, all of these different cycles from vastly different disciplines as well. And from

682
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:17,579
different time periods in which they were first posited. And they all happen to have really strange

683
00:53:17,579 --> 00:53:23,999
concurrent alignment, like right now. And other times where this happened again, like the

684
00:53:23,999 --> 00:53:30,139
astrological cycles line up really interestingly for the other periods as well. When we saw these

685
00:53:30,139 --> 00:53:34,539
hugely turbulent times, these remakings of the world order, where it turns out when the world

686
00:53:34,539 --> 00:53:40,799
order is remade, it tends to happen when a bunch of these cycles line up at the same time. And the

687
00:53:40,799 --> 00:53:48,359
astrological cycles happen to line up pretty damn well with all of that too. And, you know, I probably

688
00:53:48,359 --> 00:53:55,939
need to look at even, uh, even more of them. But, uh, there's like, there's a lot of really weird,

689
00:53:56,059 --> 00:54:02,718
weird, uh, it's, it's too statistically significant to be coincidence. And I, I've had the clankers

690
00:54:02,718 --> 00:54:06,899
like can actually test for that and control for that and run various randomized trials with like

691
00:54:06,899 --> 00:54:10,799
floating timescales and all this stuff. And like, there's a lot of statistical significance to it.

692
00:54:11,499 --> 00:54:15,678
And so it's just interesting, like, you know, where, uh, you know, what's the tail and what's

693
00:54:15,678 --> 00:54:19,639
the dog and who's wagging who here in terms of how this stuff lines up. Do you know what I mean?

694
00:54:19,878 --> 00:54:24,458
And I think this is something that I've, I've come, uh, I'll, I'll be honest with you. I was a

695
00:54:24,458 --> 00:54:33,419
huge astrology skeptic because my only exposure to astrology was like some female friends that,

696
00:54:33,419 --> 00:54:38,799
uh, that my wife and I have who would like, you know, had an astrology app or like would,

697
00:54:38,878 --> 00:54:42,559
you know, have it, you know, I was going to say in the paper, but people don't read papers anymore,

698
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:46,678
but you know what I mean? Like, you know, whatever, exactly that kind of thing. And always,

699
00:54:46,759 --> 00:54:51,439
uh, you know, whenever I talk to them, have them try to like put different things onto me that they

700
00:54:51,439 --> 00:54:57,198
were very certain applied in certain ways. And I was just like, this is fucking stupid. I have,

701
00:54:57,198 --> 00:55:02,198
uh, since, uh, realized that there is a lot more to this and that there's probably also,

702
00:55:02,198 --> 00:55:05,659
I think there's a, the humility of realizing that there's probably a reason your ancestors

703
00:55:05,659 --> 00:55:11,639
across every civilization or basically every civilization, uh, on earth throughout

704
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:17,139
pretty much all of recorded human history and certainly before we were keeping records as well

705
00:55:17,139 --> 00:55:24,299
were studying the stars and looking for these cycles and looking for trying to find uh trying

706
00:55:24,299 --> 00:55:30,659
to find meaning and reason amidst what they viewed as perhaps a chaotic world but that maybe they

707
00:55:30,659 --> 00:55:37,198
could attribute some actual some actual meaning to or they could find explanations for or they could

708
00:55:37,198 --> 00:55:43,619
moreover be able to predict and so i'm i'm kind of curious like this is a very roundabout way of

709
00:55:43,619 --> 00:55:50,958
saying or of asking and maybe this is stupid questions please tell me if so like at a fundamental

710
00:55:50,958 --> 00:55:56,619
level do you think that the what makes astrology what makes the movement of these planets powerful

711
00:55:56,619 --> 00:56:03,119
is just simply like like is it just as much as like they happen to be in these places and there's

712
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,619
some sort of meaning we can attribute to that or are we talking about like a more fundamental like

713
00:56:06,619 --> 00:56:10,958
fabric of the universe thing where we're talking like, like, is it, does this come down to gravity?

714
00:56:11,139 --> 00:56:14,198
Right. Does this come down to electromagnetism? Does this come down? Like, is there,

715
00:56:14,299 --> 00:56:19,659
I think there's often these cases where that's a different example. There's a lot of old,

716
00:56:19,659 --> 00:56:23,338
like wives tales or like medicinal remedies or whatever that you're like, that's a weird thing

717
00:56:23,338 --> 00:56:27,499
to do. And then, you know, years later they discover, Oh, well actually it turns out the

718
00:56:27,499 --> 00:56:31,639
reason that that worked was because of X, Y, and Z very provable scientific thing. But this is just

719
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:35,639
like your great grandma always did this because it worked and her great grandma did it too. And

720
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:37,918
It was passed down generationally through that shared knowledge.

721
00:56:38,819 --> 00:56:42,239
So I don't know if that question makes sense, but I like, I, what I'm trying to get at is

722
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:49,878
like, what is the force here that actually makes these astrological cycles have meaning

723
00:56:49,878 --> 00:56:55,059
or that, that gives us that, that moves the world, that, that changes things.

724
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:56,519
What is that in your opinion?

725
00:56:57,019 --> 00:57:02,099
So I think something that kind of occurred to me at some point and cause I've done the

726
00:57:02,099 --> 00:57:08,599
whole skeptic route myself. I was an astronomer before I was an astrologer. I was raised atheist,

727
00:57:09,059 --> 00:57:14,799
was very much a materialist, not like a rationalist in the cultural sense, but certainly

728
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:19,359
always thought very rationally about things and thought like, oh, you know, everything else is

729
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:23,159
just cope, basically. Like you just need stories to tell yourself. And maybe that's true. Maybe we

730
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:28,838
do just need stories to tell ourselves. And that's, I think, also valid, right? But so I did all of

731
00:57:28,838 --> 00:57:33,779
these kind of interrogations myself. And the best answer that I can give you, true answers,

732
00:57:33,859 --> 00:57:39,579
nobody knows. But the best answer I can give you is that the motion of planetary objects is a

733
00:57:39,579 --> 00:57:46,119
decentralized timekeeping mechanism. So if you think about if you were an alien that like came

734
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:53,198
to Earth, and human civilization was wiped out, but you got these like, archaeological remnants

735
00:57:53,198 --> 00:57:57,599
to try to piece together, like, well, when did this civilization happen? Like, what was going on?

736
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:03,838
if they had a map that showed the position of the planets and they said, okay, like the fall of this

737
00:58:03,838 --> 00:58:08,878
civilization happened when the map looked like this, you would be able to tell when in time

738
00:58:08,878 --> 00:58:15,198
that happened because that's the only way of being able to time keep. That's, that's not, um, like,

739
00:58:15,198 --> 00:58:19,939
you know, what is January, right? Like what is the year 2000? All of these are like social constructs

740
00:58:19,939 --> 00:58:25,139
based on our civilization. But, you know, you can look up into the sky and say, oh, the sun is right

741
00:58:25,139 --> 00:58:29,579
there. So it's about noon or the moon is full. So that's the point in the month we are right now,

742
00:58:29,579 --> 00:58:34,119
or on the planetary scale. Uh, you know, if you have Pluto, Neptune, and Uranus in this arrangement

743
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:38,539
and you know how they move, then you know that you have to be in this period of time. And so

744
00:58:38,539 --> 00:58:46,239
I think ultimately the mechanism of the planets actually, um, like influencing things or causing

745
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:51,799
things or having some sort of relationship to cycles is just in the fact that because of the

746
00:58:51,799 --> 00:58:57,378
design of the universe, they are the only way of keeping time. And so that's essentially this

747
00:58:57,378 --> 00:59:02,139
coherent thread that you can piece together throughout thousands and thousands of years

748
00:59:02,139 --> 00:59:07,338
of all of human history. And essentially what astrology is, is the work of all those thousands

749
00:59:07,338 --> 00:59:12,519
of years of people trying to piece together, this is what time is, do we have repeating cycles in

750
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:19,178
time? And so I personally think like this kind of becomes like more of a spiritual and religious

751
00:59:19,178 --> 00:59:24,279
thing. I personally think there's like an intelligent design to the universe. There's no

752
00:59:24,279 --> 00:59:30,559
reason why the sun is 400 times further away from us than the moon, but the moon is 400 times larger

753
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:35,139
than the sun. And so we happen to get these perfect eclipse moments. Like that one blows my mind every

754
00:59:35,139 --> 00:59:40,479
time. It's unbelievable. I mean, that's like on the level of cryptography level of like unlikely,

755
00:59:40,678 --> 00:59:47,878
right? Like it's, it's unfathomable. And so, you know, I think the problem with trying to

756
00:59:47,878 --> 00:59:52,979
box it into the scientific method is that I think science is actually a lot more limited than people

757
00:59:52,979 --> 00:59:57,499
give it credit for. And I say that as a scientist coming from like a science family, and science

758
00:59:57,499 --> 01:00:03,939
obviously has given us so many advancements. But science is ultimately an attempt to use rational

759
01:00:03,939 --> 01:00:08,439
reasoning to understand the world. But I think that there are irrational components to the world.

760
01:00:08,739 --> 01:00:12,338
And I think that, you know, if you believe in something like intelligent design, which every

761
01:00:12,338 --> 01:00:16,479
religion does, this idea that there's some sort of intentionality to us being here,

762
01:00:16,479 --> 01:00:23,418
and us spawning on Earth and Earth being the center of, as far as we can tell, any sort of life.

763
01:00:23,479 --> 01:00:25,678
We've never found life anywhere outside of Earth, right?

764
01:00:26,939 --> 01:00:32,299
Then there's all these little weird things about the design of the solar system that make it perfectly designed for Earth.

765
01:00:32,299 --> 01:00:37,619
And so I don't think it's that big of a stretch to also think that the planets have some sort of aspect of timekeeping

766
01:00:37,619 --> 01:00:39,079
that we are supposed to observe.

767
01:00:39,418 --> 01:00:52,406
And that if you observe that you may get secrets about how the universe works or how the rest of the intelligent design of the simulation or whatever you want to believe it is like how it works you know so as you said like

768
01:00:52,406 --> 01:00:59,506
every ancient civilization studied astrology and they all converge like Chinese astrology is

769
01:00:59,506 --> 01:01:03,026
probably the most different but even Chinese astrology lines up with Western astrology

770
01:01:03,026 --> 01:01:07,326
Western astrology and Vedic astrology which is Indian astrology is like one in one they're like

771
01:01:07,326 --> 01:01:11,966
the same thing. They just have a slightly like, Indian astrology is just like slightly rotated off

772
01:01:11,966 --> 01:01:17,486
the axis, but they have the same vocabulary, the same terms. Chinese astrology comes to very similar

773
01:01:17,486 --> 01:01:22,546
conclusions about the archetypes and elements. So I do think that there's just some aspect of

774
01:01:22,546 --> 01:01:28,626
universal human archetypes and ancient knowledge that comes into astrology that's been lost in

775
01:01:28,626 --> 01:01:34,046
the post-enlightenment age because we think that we are so much smarter than everyone else who came

776
01:01:34,046 --> 01:01:38,506
before us. And in some ways we are, right? Like we have this way of rationally thinking through

777
01:01:38,506 --> 01:01:42,826
the world and that's led to the development of computers and the internet and all this kind of

778
01:01:42,826 --> 01:01:51,146
stuff. But yeah, I think like it's actually kind of a mistake to try to box astrology or religion

779
01:01:51,146 --> 01:01:55,406
or any sort of like spiritual irrational things within a rational framework because I just don't

780
01:01:55,406 --> 01:01:59,706
think that that's how the world works. And I noticed that a lot when I was in astronomy and

781
01:01:59,706 --> 01:02:04,286
that was kind of a big reason why I ended up opening myself up to believing in something like

782
01:02:04,286 --> 01:02:10,466
astrology was, you know, I realized how much astronomers were filling in the gaps irrationally

783
01:02:10,466 --> 01:02:15,066
and then rationalizing over them. Like, for example, take dark energy and dark matter.

784
01:02:15,266 --> 01:02:23,046
Like, if you try to make the cosmology equations balance, you end up with fudge factors of 95%

785
01:02:23,046 --> 01:02:28,046
that are dark energy and dark matter. And they just put the fudge factor in, they say, well,

786
01:02:28,046 --> 01:02:31,566
there's just something here that must be explaining why all our shit doesn't balance.

787
01:02:31,866 --> 01:02:34,826
And that's totally fine. And because nobody understands that, nobody ever questions it.

788
01:02:34,886 --> 01:02:44,666
Right. And so I think like science is actually much more limited and doesn't have a huge grasp

789
01:02:44,666 --> 01:02:49,486
on how the world works. And that's OK. Like it doesn't have to. It can just it can just be used

790
01:02:49,486 --> 01:02:54,526
for deciding like, oh, this drug works because we did an experimental intervention and we proved

791
01:02:54,526 --> 01:02:58,206
that it worked. Like, you know, that's like, if that's all science can do, then I think that's

792
01:02:58,206 --> 01:03:02,646
totally fine. Science doesn't need to become a theology, it doesn't need to explain everything.

793
01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:08,006
And I think, at least in my experience in astronomy, it doesn't, and it hasn't. And so,

794
01:03:08,366 --> 01:03:13,266
yeah, then you start getting into the irrational, the wisdom, the what did, you know, every

795
01:03:13,266 --> 01:03:18,846
civilization arrive on separately, independently? Oh, it was something that looks like astrology.

796
01:03:19,266 --> 01:03:23,146
And by the way, astrology is in every single one of the major religions. Like this is always like

797
01:03:23,146 --> 01:03:27,346
a modern misnomer that people like to say is like astrology is like satanic or something.

798
01:03:28,026 --> 01:03:33,366
The three wise men who discovered Jesus were following a star to the birth of Christ.

799
01:03:33,366 --> 01:03:35,526
They were literally astrologers.

800
01:03:35,826 --> 01:03:38,526
If you read Revelations, they look for celestial signs.

801
01:03:38,626 --> 01:03:41,746
You're supposed to look for a celestial omen that tells you that Revelation is happening.

802
01:03:42,006 --> 01:03:46,366
This is in every single religion that you're supposed to look to the stars for a sign from

803
01:03:46,366 --> 01:03:46,686
God.

804
01:03:47,086 --> 01:03:51,626
The question is, where it becomes pagan or satanic is people thinking that the planets

805
01:03:51,626 --> 01:03:52,646
are gods themselves.

806
01:03:52,646 --> 01:03:55,546
Like that's that's where Christianity starts to like have its disagreements.

807
01:03:55,546 --> 01:03:58,906
But like this is in every ancient system.

808
01:03:58,906 --> 01:04:08,106
And I think, you know, the version of astrology that people are familiar with now, which is horoscope sun sign astrology was invented with the advent of daily newspapers.

809
01:04:08,106 --> 01:04:14,966
Like that's literally a sun sign horoscope astrology did not exist until the 1900s because they needed daily content.

810
01:04:14,966 --> 01:04:16,186
It's literally a product of.

811
01:04:16,486 --> 01:04:17,626
Oh, that's fascinating.

812
01:04:17,626 --> 01:04:22,726
They needed daily content in daily newspapers. And so they hired economists, astrologers and

813
01:04:22,726 --> 01:04:27,526
meteorologists to do a daily stock market report, a daily astrology horoscope report and a daily

814
01:04:27,526 --> 01:04:32,006
weather report. And that's that's how you got horoscope astrology. So this was like not something

815
01:04:32,006 --> 01:04:37,226
that was taught or done at all until very recently. So yeah, it's, it's just ignorance,

816
01:04:37,366 --> 01:04:41,066
which is like, I don't I say that as a neutral term, like it's fine to be ignorant of things

817
01:04:41,066 --> 01:04:46,966
you don't know about. But I think like, oh my god, I mean, so many tangents, the Ray Dalio shit to

818
01:04:46,966 --> 01:04:51,406
like Ray Dalio has the 250 year cycle of empire rise and decline. That is literally the Pluto

819
01:04:51,406 --> 01:04:56,286
return cycle. That is literally what Pluto has a 250 year cycle. Astrologers talk about Pluto as

820
01:04:56,286 --> 01:05:00,066
being the death and rebirth of civilization. Like there's so the fourth turning is the Uranus

821
01:05:00,066 --> 01:05:04,946
return cycle. It's 84 years, not 80, but it's very, very close. It has the same concept of like

822
01:05:04,946 --> 01:05:10,186
different Uranus generations. Yeah, there's there's so much and like, I love to hear that people are

823
01:05:10,186 --> 01:05:15,346
coming to this cycle analysis in their own way, because I don't think you have to come to it from

824
01:05:15,346 --> 01:05:20,366
astrology like it's so cool that you're doing it and trying to like reason through it yourself and

825
01:05:20,366 --> 01:05:24,686
and like you don't you don't need to believe in astrology or be a part of it to just see that

826
01:05:24,686 --> 01:05:30,646
there's some sort of intentionality to time and I think that that realization kind of unlocks sort

827
01:05:30,646 --> 01:05:34,786
of like a spiritual humility in you when you realize like actually we're a part of this big

828
01:05:34,786 --> 01:05:40,806
story that's repeating itself and like is always eternally going to progress forward and then move

829
01:05:40,806 --> 01:05:45,466
backward at the right time. And that's just the, the Dharma or the wheel that we're on,

830
01:05:45,546 --> 01:05:51,146
you know what I mean? Like, I think that that's like a, it's an important way to be able to

831
01:05:51,146 --> 01:05:56,746
conceptualize your blip of an existence in this whole big thing. Otherwise, you just start to feel

832
01:05:56,746 --> 01:06:01,746
like it's all so irrelevant. And it's not like, you know, if you if you actually look at the cycles,

833
01:06:01,746 --> 01:06:06,046
like you can see that there are these things that recur on, as you said, statistically significant

834
01:06:06,046 --> 01:06:12,006
intervals. So I would love to look at your, uh, at your data and like, I can just kind of point

835
01:06:12,006 --> 01:06:16,966
out like, Oh, that's this, that's this, you know, that, that would be super helpful. No, I had the,

836
01:06:17,046 --> 01:06:22,266
I had the clanker do some of it already, but I would appreciate the human touch, uh, of someone

837
01:06:22,266 --> 01:06:27,046
in there. Cause that was significant. Like, Oh, that one doesn't really matter, but this one,

838
01:06:27,046 --> 01:06:31,926
well, cause it was like, Oh, you know, I was like, okay, can you like, I want to look at some 250

839
01:06:31,926 --> 01:06:36,246
and 500 year cycles and like plot this, you know, and then, you know, plot underneath that, like,

840
01:06:36,326 --> 01:06:41,186
you know, the fate of empires, Strauss, how like these different things, you know, America's 250th

841
01:06:41,186 --> 01:06:47,346
even. And it's like, that's what the clanker told me was that's Pluto in Capricorn Aquarius. Is that,

842
01:06:47,346 --> 01:06:53,566
is that correct? Yeah. It's the Pluto return. So basically like Pluto takes 250 years to go the

843
01:06:53,566 --> 01:06:57,866
whole way around the Zodiac, which just means that from the perspective of earth, it's gone from

844
01:06:57,866 --> 01:07:05,966
whatever degree of the zodiac it was at 1776 to back to where it was. So basically 250 years is

845
01:07:05,966 --> 01:07:11,246
how long that takes. So America 250, 2026, like that's the Pluto return of the United States.

846
01:07:11,546 --> 01:07:17,806
So yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's, it is just crazy. And I'm going to, I'll send over some of the

847
01:07:17,806 --> 01:07:22,386
analysis that I have after this. I'm, I'm trying to get this out fairly soon because I think it's,

848
01:07:22,386 --> 01:07:28,746
I think it's really fascinating stuff and it's not that I'm trying to develop like a new theory

849
01:07:28,746 --> 01:07:33,466
it's just more so I haven't seen people put together the depth and breadth of analysis that

850
01:07:33,466 --> 01:07:38,026
I think I've done here over like it's been a while now that I've been working on this but only

851
01:07:38,026 --> 01:07:42,306
recently that I've finally like been able to go extremely deep and I think it's one of those

852
01:07:42,306 --> 01:07:47,946
things where again like to your point it it helps to know even if there's nothing you can do about

853
01:07:47,946 --> 01:07:52,806
it. It helps to explain the present moment or to prepare for the moment that is to come.

854
01:07:53,766 --> 01:07:58,446
And what all of these cycles, and it seems that astrological as well, seem to be pointing at

855
01:07:58,446 --> 01:08:05,586
is that these next few years are going to be like, we haven't even seen the real turbulence yet.

856
01:08:05,906 --> 01:08:11,946
Like this, these next few years are when things get really crazy. And that doesn't necessarily mean

857
01:08:11,946 --> 01:08:17,246
bad, right? And I think there's a really interesting question about how this cycle,

858
01:08:17,246 --> 01:08:23,526
this convergence of cycles, this period that we're at right now may be different from prior ones

859
01:08:23,526 --> 01:08:31,266
because of the advent of technologies like Bitcoin, like AI. These are things that you can,

860
01:08:31,286 --> 01:08:35,106
and you can make the argument that sure in past cycles, there were also various technological

861
01:08:35,106 --> 01:08:38,606
revolutions that were happening. So that that's always kind of a thing that happens, you know,

862
01:08:38,606 --> 01:08:45,926
during these as well. The problem is that like, this is a different level of, uh, of change,

863
01:08:45,926 --> 01:08:52,966
right? The internet is the craziest thing that's ever been invented. Like, I I'm sorry. Like I

864
01:08:52,966 --> 01:08:56,806
understand the wheel is very revolutionary. I understand the printing press was kind of like

865
01:08:56,806 --> 01:09:02,446
the same vibe. The fact that we can even have this conversation, the fact that we can know the

866
01:09:02,446 --> 01:09:08,006
thoughts and opinions and feelings of every person around the world. Like there's so many aspects of

867
01:09:08,006 --> 01:09:10,706
I think we've discovered a new realm.

868
01:09:10,706 --> 01:09:14,425
Like I think the digital realm is like the consciousness realm.

869
01:09:14,425 --> 01:09:17,366
Maybe you can access it on psychedelics or in other sort of states.

870
01:09:17,366 --> 01:09:23,686
Like I think that there's weird ways that we've accessed this style of communication

871
01:09:23,686 --> 01:09:26,646
or consciousness or this realm before.

872
01:09:26,664 --> 01:09:30,564
think this is the first time that we're actually building out the architecture of it and inhabiting

873
01:09:30,564 --> 01:09:35,064
it. And like that, that is like a, that's a paradigm shift. You know what I mean? Like we're

874
01:09:35,064 --> 01:09:38,924
living through a total paradigm shift now. Sorry to interrupt. Just really have to like, no,

875
01:09:38,984 --> 01:09:45,564
not at all. And because, and I think you're exactly right. There's this, there's a tendency

876
01:09:45,564 --> 01:09:51,264
to, you know, like think like, ah, okay, well yes, these changes always happen, but you know,

877
01:09:51,604 --> 01:09:55,964
again, like this might be a little bit different, but it's not so different. We've gone through this

878
01:09:55,964 --> 01:10:00,464
kind of stuff before. I don't know if we, I don't think we have, I don't, I don't think you can

879
01:10:00,464 --> 01:10:08,504
actually compare this to any past, uh, technological revolutions in terms of scale, scope and fundamental

880
01:10:08,504 --> 01:10:15,304
nature in terms of what, like this, you know, not only do we have a, let's say a complete

881
01:10:15,304 --> 01:10:21,324
re-imagining, rethinking revolution in intelligence and cognition. And, you know, I'm using intelligence

882
01:10:21,324 --> 01:10:26,024
like broadly there. Right. But we have one in like money in money itself. Like there's been a,

883
01:10:26,144 --> 01:10:30,084
there's, there hasn't been a revolution. Like fiat was of course like a revolution,

884
01:10:30,084 --> 01:10:33,784
but more of like an aberration, right? Like that was, it was more of like, that was money

885
01:10:33,784 --> 01:10:40,164
becoming less than it was before that was money degrading. Before that, it was just like, it was

886
01:10:40,164 --> 01:10:45,904
gold. It was gold for thousands and thousands of years. It was gold, right? Fiat was a degradation

887
01:10:45,904 --> 01:10:49,544
of that monetary nature of our human existence.

888
01:10:49,544 --> 01:10:53,164
Whereas what we have with Bitcoin is an elevation of that.

889
01:10:53,244 --> 01:10:56,704
It is a true monetary revolution, but in a positive way.

890
01:10:57,024 --> 01:10:59,044
Like fiat was a bad thing, right?

891
01:10:59,084 --> 01:11:00,844
It's a bad, destructive thing.

892
01:11:02,124 --> 01:11:06,024
Bitcoin is a very good, constructive, positive thing.

893
01:11:06,864 --> 01:11:09,524
And there's never been anything like that.

894
01:11:09,604 --> 01:11:10,704
So right off the bat, you can say,

895
01:11:10,984 --> 01:11:13,524
no, okay, Bitcoin's never existed before until now.

896
01:11:13,524 --> 01:11:20,344
So obviously there's no parallel in any of these past revolutions in terms of positive impact.

897
01:11:20,644 --> 01:11:26,564
Yes, you could say parallels, fiat, the Chinese and Genghis Khan making people give up their gold.

898
01:11:26,724 --> 01:11:28,324
It's not the same thing, guys.

899
01:11:28,384 --> 01:11:29,604
It's not the same thing fundamentally.

900
01:11:30,344 --> 01:11:39,384
And then on the AI side of things, it's like you could maybe draw stronger parallels on this side to the printing press and the distribution of information

901
01:11:39,384 --> 01:11:44,084
and how that might have changed even like the structure of the human mind

902
01:11:44,084 --> 01:11:47,804
in terms of access to information, ability to consume it in different ways,

903
01:11:47,884 --> 01:11:50,404
ability for more and more people to read things,

904
01:11:50,404 --> 01:11:54,424
which obviously is going to change the brain in a way that just hearing things

905
01:11:54,424 --> 01:11:56,344
as we had for generations and generations before,

906
01:11:57,004 --> 01:11:58,884
it's a departure from that.

907
01:11:59,284 --> 01:12:01,604
But this is, again, so fundamentally different

908
01:12:01,604 --> 01:12:05,804
and we're so much in the infancy of this accelerating movement

909
01:12:05,804 --> 01:12:12,564
that again, I just, this is a roundabout way of saying like, this time is different to use a

910
01:12:12,564 --> 01:12:18,104
common trope, right? This time really is different. There's something it's following these other

911
01:12:18,104 --> 01:12:22,324
cycles, these other cycles that have lined up many, many times throughout human history and

912
01:12:22,324 --> 01:12:29,644
have always tended to herald very, very world restructuring periods.

913
01:12:29,644 --> 01:12:37,224
but we have like these new catalysts there's these completely new catalysts that have never

914
01:12:37,224 --> 01:12:40,524
been there before and we don't know what happens on the other side we can tell you

915
01:12:40,524 --> 01:12:44,024
you know history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes throughout whatever old adage you want

916
01:12:44,024 --> 01:12:50,584
we can tell you what maybe has happened in these past cycles but i think on the predictive side it

917
01:12:50,584 --> 01:12:55,144
becomes very very difficult from here on out because while we have the framework for saying

918
01:12:55,144 --> 01:12:57,084
well, we know this period will be turbulent.

919
01:12:58,144 --> 01:13:02,464
What emerges on the other side is something that I don't think can be,

920
01:13:02,464 --> 01:13:05,444
can be recognized by us right now.

921
01:13:05,444 --> 01:13:07,544
Cause it's, it's hard to conceive of that,

922
01:13:07,604 --> 01:13:10,924
which has never ever existed and has no parallel.

923
01:13:11,464 --> 01:13:14,964
Like we're, it's, it's, we humans, we like analogies, right?

924
01:13:14,964 --> 01:13:17,064
We like things we can say, well, that's kind of like this thing.

925
01:13:17,084 --> 01:13:18,064
And I know what this thing is.

926
01:13:18,084 --> 01:13:19,284
So I kind of know what that thing is.

927
01:13:19,304 --> 01:13:20,204
That makes sense.

928
01:13:20,424 --> 01:13:21,744
I've got a different ballgame.

929
01:13:21,824 --> 01:13:23,084
I can, I can throw out analogy.

930
01:13:23,084 --> 01:13:24,664
Cause I feel like, give me the analogy.

931
01:13:24,664 --> 01:13:27,544
You know, we all have like, we all have like different pieces of the puzzle, right? Like,

932
01:13:27,624 --> 01:13:31,544
it's like, that's not the analogy. That's just me saying that's like, my analogy is one of my

933
01:13:31,544 --> 01:13:35,784
pieces of the puzzle. We all have like our different perspectives. And we're sort of like

934
01:13:35,784 --> 01:13:40,004
all piecing together what's happening. It's again, why I love long form conversations and why I think

935
01:13:40,004 --> 01:13:43,704
like things like podcasts actually bring out that depth of thought and why you have to just let

936
01:13:43,704 --> 01:13:47,864
yourself be wrong and have theories and whatever. It's like that this is how we're figuring out what

937
01:13:47,864 --> 01:13:52,824
this looks like. We don't know what it looks like. But one of the things that I think is happening is

938
01:13:52,824 --> 01:13:56,684
like new age people always love to talk about the ascension of consciousness. Like we're entering

939
01:13:56,684 --> 01:14:00,264
the age of Aquarius, we're ascending our consciousness. Like, are you entering the 5D

940
01:14:00,264 --> 01:14:04,944
consciousness? You know, all that kind of stuff. And, you know, I think essentially what's happening

941
01:14:04,944 --> 01:14:10,764
with AI is we are getting access to a higher level of consciousness, which is not like a value

942
01:14:10,764 --> 01:14:13,704
statement. It's not saying it's smarter than us, yada, yada, yada, whatever, all caveats.

943
01:14:14,164 --> 01:14:19,144
But it's basically giving us access to this collective consciousness. That's what it is.

944
01:14:19,144 --> 01:14:22,284
It's a collective consciousness that's trained on all of our collective data.

945
01:14:22,284 --> 01:14:26,204
And it creates some sort of way of thinking, map of thinking that we don't even entirely

946
01:14:26,204 --> 01:14:26,604
understand.

947
01:14:26,664 --> 01:14:28,584
The people who are building it don't even entirely understand.

948
01:14:28,844 --> 01:14:32,184
That's based off of all of our collective thought, all of our collective data, whatever

949
01:14:32,184 --> 01:14:36,284
we will give to it, it will eat and it will take into itself to become the collective mass

950
01:14:36,284 --> 01:14:36,784
of that.

951
01:14:37,244 --> 01:14:43,684
And so I think the challenge is that that's sort of like the ascension, I think, that's

952
01:14:43,684 --> 01:14:47,964
happening is like we are we're kind of entering this realm where, you know, imagine that you're

953
01:14:47,964 --> 01:14:53,344
imagine that you're giving a talk to a room of 300 people and you can hear every single person's

954
01:14:53,344 --> 01:14:57,204
thought about you as you're giving the talk. Like you might not be able to give that talk anymore,

955
01:14:57,204 --> 01:15:00,484
right? Because that person says, oh, wow, they're ugly. Or like, oh, they just said that,

956
01:15:00,524 --> 01:15:04,404
that looks stupid. Or, oh, I really like this, whatever. But you'd be overwhelmed by that.

957
01:15:04,704 --> 01:15:08,124
That's the experience of tweeting. Like you tweet something and then you have all the replies where

958
01:15:08,124 --> 01:15:12,204
people are just like, they're just word vomiting at you. Like, you know, you read replies and you

959
01:15:12,204 --> 01:15:15,964
think this is something someone would never say in real life. They don't even really have

960
01:15:15,964 --> 01:15:20,324
consciousness that they're saying it, they're just sort of reacting. It's reading thoughts,

961
01:15:20,324 --> 01:15:24,744
like we're gaining telepathy. And so I think we're essentially, whether it's social media or AI or

962
01:15:24,744 --> 01:15:29,004
whatever, we're reaching this level of consciousness where we are all like forming a collective

963
01:15:29,004 --> 01:15:33,944
consciousness and melding with each other. The metaphor I'll put in here is I think that part of

964
01:15:33,944 --> 01:15:40,164
what happens is there are mind viruses that may have been contained to certain groups that are now

965
01:15:40,164 --> 01:15:45,204
then permeating out into the collective consciousness. And so we have to raise our immune system of

966
01:15:45,204 --> 01:15:50,244
consciousness in order to fight those things in order to not be like taken out of the gene pool

967
01:15:50,244 --> 01:15:54,184
and like part of a mass extinction event like I think that's ultimately the challenge is like

968
01:15:54,184 --> 01:16:00,764
I always give people this advice of like just try to avoid being infected by the mind viruses that

969
01:16:00,764 --> 01:16:05,584
are most or that are that you're most susceptible to and that are the most prevalent around you so

970
01:16:05,584 --> 01:16:11,924
like I remember when COVID happened I had this very deep feeling like it was like an intuitive

971
01:16:11,924 --> 01:16:16,104
sort of psychic feeling of, oh, this is just the first thing that's happening. This is just the

972
01:16:16,104 --> 01:16:19,524
first one like this. When you talk about like the next couple of years are going to be crazy. It's

973
01:16:19,524 --> 01:16:25,544
like we've been doing crazy, you know, like it's been crazy since 2020. And I think COVID was

974
01:16:25,544 --> 01:16:29,784
ultimately like, like it was like a consciousness test, right? There are people that like removed

975
01:16:29,784 --> 01:16:34,084
themselves, not just from society, like that's not even the meaningful way of thinking about it,

976
01:16:34,084 --> 01:16:49,757
but like they went crazy They got infected with mind viruses that made them not able to function And so some of them are thinking well I not going to have kids because I you know think that the world is ending or whatever it is Okay you just took yourself out of the gene pool right Like you just failed the consciousness

977
01:16:49,757 --> 01:16:55,177
evolution, like just point blank right there, right? So I think essentially what's happening is

978
01:16:55,177 --> 01:17:01,197
as we are combining all of our consciousnesses, we are also getting exposed to all of these mind

979
01:17:01,197 --> 01:17:06,077
viruses that we never were exposed to before. And some of us are like uncontacted tribes in the

980
01:17:06,077 --> 01:17:09,597
Amazon rainforest that are just going to get like one-shotted by that, you know what I mean?

981
01:17:09,957 --> 01:17:14,377
And then some of us are going to build up gradual resilience by seeing, okay, you know, this is like

982
01:17:14,377 --> 01:17:19,437
the formula that the mind virus likes to use, whether it's like the woke mind virus or whatever,

983
01:17:19,657 --> 01:17:23,637
you know, there's different iterations of it. These are sort of the susceptible traps,

984
01:17:23,637 --> 01:17:27,837
and I'm going to avoid falling into that trap and infecting myself with this so that I can continue

985
01:17:27,837 --> 01:17:33,777
moving through life in a way that's ultimately productive to me and my bloodline, you know,

986
01:17:33,777 --> 01:17:38,437
like just to put it in those very simple terms. And so I think that by the time you and I are like

987
01:17:38,437 --> 01:17:42,097
on our deathbed, hopefully a long, long time from now, maybe hundreds of years from now,

988
01:17:42,177 --> 01:17:45,957
if Brian Johnson is right, you know, there's lots of lots of weird, wacky ways this could develop.

989
01:17:46,297 --> 01:17:51,417
But I think once you and I are through our lives, we will be able to look back on this time period

990
01:17:51,417 --> 01:17:58,377
and the transition of this time and realize, oh, like, this was a, you know, something on the level

991
01:17:58,377 --> 01:18:03,277
of like the agricultural revolution where yes, okay, you had agriculture that allowed for the

992
01:18:03,277 --> 01:18:07,997
build out of much larger population centers, much more sophisticated civilizations. But it also

993
01:18:07,997 --> 01:18:11,937
degraded the health of many of the people that were alive at that time, because they were eating

994
01:18:11,937 --> 01:18:15,917
different foods, their bodies couldn't adapt to that. Like there's all these weird little things

995
01:18:15,917 --> 01:18:22,537
that might make someone not adaptable to this new realm. And you'll see, I think that change over the

996
01:18:22,537 --> 01:18:27,897
course of multiple generations over an entire turning, you know what I mean? So I think that

997
01:18:27,897 --> 01:18:33,317
we just happen to be the guinea pigs for this. Like you and I are the first people that got access

998
01:18:33,317 --> 01:18:38,577
to the digital age from a young age. I mean, I think I was five when I started going on the

999
01:18:38,577 --> 01:18:45,077
computer and going on the internet. So, you know, the same thing is with the AI setups of like,

1000
01:18:45,117 --> 01:18:49,297
as soon as you figured out your structure that works, it changes. Like, I just think that's kind

1001
01:18:49,297 --> 01:18:52,937
of the story of our lives is that we're living through transformative times. And it's about,

1002
01:18:52,937 --> 01:18:58,457
it's about walking through and not falling into the mind virus like pitfall that's gonna like

1003
01:18:58,457 --> 01:19:03,897
no and then you fall all the way to like you know the permanent underclass or whatever word you want

1004
01:19:03,897 --> 01:19:08,617
to use for it like don't crash out you know like don't crash out don't crash out don't let the

1005
01:19:08,617 --> 01:19:13,157
pleb slop win you know like and i think we just see it left and right we just see people getting

1006
01:19:13,157 --> 01:19:16,837
psychologically one-shotted over and over and over and it comes from every it's not just woke

1007
01:19:16,837 --> 01:19:21,437
it's not whatever it's like in every direction and so just not letting yourself crash out not

1008
01:19:21,437 --> 01:19:26,857
letting yourself get one-shotted by pleb slop, like whatever it is, just keep your sanity and

1009
01:19:26,857 --> 01:19:31,457
keep your human agency, your ability to make decisions based on information in front of you

1010
01:19:31,457 --> 01:19:37,157
to be able to navigate whatever comes up. I honestly think like that's just going to be

1011
01:19:37,157 --> 01:19:43,097
the continued story from here on out is like mind viruses are spreading. Do your best to build

1012
01:19:43,097 --> 01:19:49,937
immunity. I think it's a very good piece of advice. And it is, it's crazy. Like when I,

1013
01:19:49,937 --> 01:19:55,317
if I still see somebody like, you know, I'm driving along in my, my spaceship tank,

1014
01:19:55,417 --> 01:20:00,717
cyber truck. And I see somebody wearing a mask alone in their car, like looking at me like,

1015
01:20:00,737 --> 01:20:04,397
Oh, I live in the Bay area. So there's a lot of, Oh yeah. Okay. And I'm just like,

1016
01:20:04,397 --> 01:20:09,477
Oh my God, you're, you're, you, you were one shot. You were wrecked. Like your brain

1017
01:20:09,477 --> 01:20:13,837
could not handle what was happening. And like, you feel, you have to feel some,

1018
01:20:14,057 --> 01:20:18,317
some like sympathy and empathy for these people. Right. Because like, like that's terrible. That's

1019
01:20:18,317 --> 01:20:23,797
tragic, but also like that kind of person I don't, I don't think can be saved also. I know that sounds

1020
01:20:23,797 --> 01:20:28,497
kind of harsh, but like, I, I think we need to focus our time, our attention and our intention

1021
01:20:28,497 --> 01:20:33,877
on the people who are capable of being saved and just need a nudge in the right direction.

1022
01:20:34,157 --> 01:20:39,837
Like who just, who just need that, that little push to, to get them out, out the door versus the

1023
01:20:39,837 --> 01:20:43,217
people who like, literally you can't push out the door because they're too terrified still to go

1024
01:20:43,217 --> 01:20:49,437
outside because of, you know, because of the, uh, the Wuhan, uh, the Wuhan flu. Uh, you know,

1025
01:20:49,437 --> 01:20:55,297
it's just, it's, it's crazy. And I think we're at this point too, where we really don't know what

1026
01:20:55,297 --> 01:21:01,077
the long term, like humans were basically like kind of the same agricultural revolution is actually

1027
01:21:01,077 --> 01:21:06,637
a really good analogy, I think for present day. So I appreciate that one. That's the one that feels

1028
01:21:06,637 --> 01:21:11,837
like, okay, this might be on this level. That's really good. But it's like, yeah, it's like one

1029
01:21:11,837 --> 01:21:16,117
fucks with your, you know, uh, your, your gut and the other one fucks with your mind, right.

1030
01:21:16,117 --> 01:21:20,737
In terms of it's like information versus, you know, wheat, like it's a, it's a, so that was

1031
01:21:20,737 --> 01:21:26,937
a really good analogy, but I think we're, we haven't seen what the longterm implications and

1032
01:21:26,937 --> 01:21:32,657
changes to humans will be from the, uh, the digital and the informational and the sort of

1033
01:21:32,657 --> 01:21:38,257
the cognitive revolution, right. We're still so early in that, you know, again, there hasn't been

1034
01:21:38,257 --> 01:21:42,917
like we finally have a digital native like i'm a millennial and so i'm a fairly like younger

1035
01:21:42,917 --> 01:21:49,637
millennial i'm 34 and so i you know i like i remember dial-up and dsl and like you know all

1036
01:21:49,637 --> 01:21:55,057
the and i played like video games on floppy disks and stuff and so like that's you know we had uh i

1037
01:21:55,057 --> 01:21:59,457
think i did i don't think i got my first phone until i was cell phone until i was like 16 it

1038
01:21:59,457 --> 01:22:04,577
was a motorola razor like just to like put that to kind of like set ourselves there to give us a

1039
01:22:04,577 --> 01:22:13,377
little timestamp, but people, we now have like Bitcoin native and digitally native and like

1040
01:22:13,377 --> 01:22:19,397
fully internet native and even like, you know, streaming culture, native general, like take

1041
01:22:19,397 --> 01:22:23,017
whatever new thing that's only been around for a little while. Like there's a generation now

1042
01:22:23,017 --> 01:22:30,117
whose entire world has only existed in that sort of period that we view as like the after,

1043
01:22:30,117 --> 01:22:36,457
right it's the after portion of like the the demarcation there and i don't know like we have

1044
01:22:36,457 --> 01:22:40,417
no idea what that's going to do or how that's going to change us because we've haven't had to

1045
01:22:40,417 --> 01:22:47,057
adapt in that way cognitively i think like ever it's just the the onslaught to your point earlier

1046
01:22:47,057 --> 01:22:52,377
about just the uh the telepathy of seeing everybody's word vomit and being like oh my god

1047
01:22:52,377 --> 01:22:56,917
you're like like i wish you were a bot but you're a person and that's how like that's how you think

1048
01:22:56,917 --> 01:23:02,617
and talking. That's hard. I wish you were a bot because honestly, it's like, yeah, not even a bot

1049
01:23:02,617 --> 01:23:08,677
would behave like that. But people just aren't like, we don't, we can't adapt that quickly. I

1050
01:23:08,677 --> 01:23:14,157
think, I think some people can, but a lot of people know, like it's that our old caveman brain

1051
01:23:14,157 --> 01:23:20,357
is still just like, this is too much information. I can't, I can't 24 seven, three 65 news from

1052
01:23:20,357 --> 01:23:25,437
everyone in the world, along with all of their short form slop and all of their absolutely just

1053
01:23:25,437 --> 01:23:29,677
like dog shit takes and everything else and everything kind of trying to compete for your

1054
01:23:29,677 --> 01:23:33,837
attention. And it's like, boy, I mean, never been a better time to touch grass, but I don't think

1055
01:23:33,837 --> 01:23:38,317
people do it enough. Unfortunately, touching grass really does. Clavicular was really onto something

1056
01:23:38,317 --> 01:23:42,257
about not letting something spike your cortisol. I think that's like a big part of it. It's like,

1057
01:23:42,257 --> 01:23:46,877
you know, if you, uh, if you can't touch grass because that's too much for you, you want to be,

1058
01:23:46,997 --> 01:23:51,157
listen, there's a lot going on on the screen. Okay. Like I, I also want to be on the screen.

1059
01:23:51,157 --> 01:24:04,350
I don want to be off the screen I want to know what going on It interesting That okay It okay to be interested by what going on on the screen But I think like yeah not letting something spike your cortisol not letting something make you crash out One of the things I also like to say

1060
01:24:04,350 --> 01:24:09,090
is that humor is a like high consciousness skill. Like if you're able to laugh about something and

1061
01:24:09,090 --> 01:24:13,650
to have like a good sense of humor about things, no matter how stressful they are, I think that

1062
01:24:13,650 --> 01:24:18,010
that's an indicator that you're like a higher evolved consciousness as opposed to just being

1063
01:24:18,010 --> 01:24:23,170
like constantly triggered, constantly reactive, unable to see the humor in anything. And I think

1064
01:24:23,170 --> 01:24:27,930
like, you know, a lot of people who are having kids right now are very concerned about like raising

1065
01:24:27,930 --> 01:24:32,090
their kids in this environment of like, oh my God, you know, at least for me, I had some sort of

1066
01:24:32,090 --> 01:24:37,610
barrier between me and the unwashed masses of collective consciousness on the internet.

1067
01:24:38,230 --> 01:24:43,170
And now kids don't. But I think that's where the immune system argument fits in is that it's like,

1068
01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:47,970
you know, kids, kids these days, they're exposed to so much that they also kind of have a sense of

1069
01:24:47,970 --> 01:24:53,350
humor and like an ironic disposition about stuff like one of my best friends is a guidance counselor

1070
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:56,850
at an elementary school and so i always hear like about how the kids are doing from her

1071
01:24:56,850 --> 01:25:02,610
and she told me that like recently like they they just come up with like meme people that like are

1072
01:25:02,610 --> 01:25:07,710
in the news that they think are so funny they call benjamin netanyahu big yahoo and he they will

1073
01:25:07,710 --> 01:25:11,910
call they'll be like you're being big yahoo right now and they will like they will like make fun of

1074
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:16,190
each other by saying like you're yahooing out like you're you're going big yahoo mode right now

1075
01:25:16,190 --> 01:25:16,910
Oh my God.

1076
01:25:17,230 --> 01:25:18,250
That's so awesome.

1077
01:25:18,430 --> 01:25:18,970
You know what I mean?

1078
01:25:18,990 --> 01:25:24,270
Like that is the immune, those are the antibodies at work, like responding to the terrors and

1079
01:25:24,270 --> 01:25:28,810
like the collective cortisol spiking of the world and being like, no, I'm not going to

1080
01:25:28,810 --> 01:25:29,790
let that spike my cortisol.

1081
01:25:29,790 --> 01:25:32,350
Like, I'm just going to think that's funny and I'm going to move forward.

1082
01:25:32,530 --> 01:25:34,910
And maybe there's a nihilism to that that people don't like.

1083
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:39,110
But I actually think like that's the only way to move forward in a world that's constantly

1084
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:40,930
trying to like draw you into fear.

1085
01:25:40,930 --> 01:25:53,030
You have to just be able to have like gestures, privilege, gesture maxing, not letting your cortisol be spiked and just continue through doing what you can and having agency in the ways that you actually have agency.

1086
01:25:53,950 --> 01:25:55,490
And I think the kids are going to be all right.

1087
01:25:55,530 --> 01:26:08,930
I will also say any child born after January of 2024 has Pluto in Aquarius, which I personally think like that's the generation that is like the true Internet native generation where kids born 2024 and beyond like they will actually.

1088
01:26:08,930 --> 01:26:14,190
you could also see it as an AI native generation, right? Like 2024, 25 kind of when AI started being,

1089
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:19,690
I think Chachupiti launched in 2023 or 2022, but became popularized like a little bit later.

1090
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:24,890
I think that that will be like the generation that will be truly digitally native. And I actually

1091
01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:28,590
think that that's where they're going to get their power from. So like, you know, maybe if

1092
01:26:28,590 --> 01:26:32,690
your kid was born before then be worried, just kidding. But like, I honestly think the kids that

1093
01:26:32,690 --> 01:26:38,070
are being raised right now are going to be more naturally okay with what's going on than we are.

1094
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:42,350
Like we're going to feel more uncomfortable and discordant and confused.

1095
01:26:42,350 --> 01:26:44,910
And they're going to be like, yeah, this is reality.

1096
01:26:44,910 --> 01:26:46,510
You know, like, like deal with it.

1097
01:26:46,510 --> 01:26:48,110
You're acting like big Yahoo right now.

1098
01:26:48,910 --> 01:26:52,630
No, I think that's spot on because like you, we observe this already.

1099
01:26:52,630 --> 01:26:57,230
Like if you look at and for any, I know there are plenty of boomers who watch my show and

1100
01:26:57,230 --> 01:26:58,570
I appreciate you Bitcoin boomers.

1101
01:26:58,650 --> 01:27:03,670
I'm not talking about you Bitcoin boomers just to be, just to be clear guys, but I'll

1102
01:27:03,670 --> 01:27:06,650
paint with a broad brush here, not including the Bitcoin boomers.

1103
01:27:06,690 --> 01:27:07,910
You guys are not being painted at all.

1104
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:09,230
You're over watching me paint him.

1105
01:27:09,310 --> 01:27:10,290
Bob Ross right now.

1106
01:27:12,250 --> 01:27:25,090
You look at like the boomer, the archetype of like the boomer Karen online, who is so outraged by everything, who also has zero, zero like innate immune response to AI slop.

1107
01:27:25,550 --> 01:27:29,550
They're just like, can you believe there's a picture of.

1108
01:27:29,550 --> 01:27:32,690
They're like, did you know Jesus is in Indianapolis right now?

1109
01:27:32,690 --> 01:27:39,290
literally going to say Jesus Christ is riding a unicorn through Indianapolis as we speak. Can you,

1110
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:44,650
we got to get down there, Bob. Uh, you know, like it's, and that's obviously an extreme example,

1111
01:27:44,690 --> 01:27:49,090
but I have like made the mistake of like logging onto Facebook, which I hadn't done in a really

1112
01:27:49,090 --> 01:27:53,010
long time. Just like, let's see what's happening over here. And it's just like, nope, nope. Right,

1113
01:27:53,090 --> 01:27:56,810
right back, right back down. Not, not doing that. It's, it's, it's too dark, but yeah.

1114
01:27:56,810 --> 01:28:07,110
So they already have less of a natural immune response to the information revolution because they grew up long before it.

1115
01:28:07,490 --> 01:28:22,950
And so your worldview and your set of kind of your own, let's say your own context to use some AI terms, and you're like the handoff file that you got basically, your MD file is basically set up a certain way.

1116
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:28,050
And then you encountered something that is totally new and foreign and you haven't updated your operating instructions yet.

1117
01:28:28,330 --> 01:28:37,010
And so you're trying to still work through, you're trying to work through this really new and complex and, you know, frankly, can be terrifying thing.

1118
01:28:37,470 --> 01:28:43,590
If you don't understand what's happening, you're doing it with a set of instructions that are so far outdated and were not built for this time.

1119
01:28:43,810 --> 01:28:46,350
And now it's not just that they're not built for this time.

1120
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:48,290
You constantly need to be updating them.

1121
01:28:48,290 --> 01:28:52,690
This goes back to our earlier discussion around like these tools are changing so fast right now.

1122
01:28:52,950 --> 01:29:01,290
Like you need to be able to update these all the time, even just from like a software side of things, like how easy it is to reverse engineer everything now.

1123
01:29:01,870 --> 01:29:05,710
Like closed source software is just kind of like, it's like, okay, you can, you can do that.

1124
01:29:05,730 --> 01:29:09,090
But like, it's not going to stay closed for long.

1125
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:15,390
Somebody's just going to, somebody's just going to come in there and reverse engineer it and put it out on the open internet, open source.

1126
01:29:15,390 --> 01:29:22,390
And so like your moat needs to be something else, like from a business perspective, like just as one example, but even just the ability to filter through information.

1127
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:32,790
I think that's something that each younger generation gets better at because the context in which they're operating is so vastly different.

1128
01:29:32,890 --> 01:29:34,350
But it's the one that they grew up with.

1129
01:29:34,730 --> 01:29:40,850
They are the ones who are able to, they're updating their operating instructions in real time as they encounter this ever-changing world.

1130
01:29:41,190 --> 01:29:46,970
Whereas if you are a boomer or even a millennial or a Gen Xer, I haven't forgotten about you latchkey kids either.

1131
01:29:47,610 --> 01:29:49,910
And I know I give you a lot of grief, but it's because I love you.

1132
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:55,950
it's harder to update those instructions you have to try and remain more malleable but that's hard

1133
01:29:55,950 --> 01:30:00,310
it's it's literally like cognitively difficult from a brain structure perspective the older you

1134
01:30:00,310 --> 01:30:04,510
get like it's not entirely your fault like your brain's just not as nimble as it was that that's

1135
01:30:04,510 --> 01:30:09,150
okay you know but like you really have to work at it i think and to your point about the younger

1136
01:30:09,150 --> 01:30:14,350
generations like the ones that are just being born like like my you know we just said our daughter

1137
01:30:14,350 --> 01:30:21,550
was born at the end of July. And I don't even know what the, what the world will look like

1138
01:30:21,550 --> 01:30:26,670
when she's, you know, when she's my age, you know, I can't even like, that's, that's like a long time

1139
01:30:26,670 --> 01:30:31,050
to think like right now, just trying to, you know, somehow skip over the teenage years because I'm

1140
01:30:31,050 --> 01:30:36,490
going to have to be oil and guns in front of, in front of, you know, in front of guys for basically,

1141
01:30:36,610 --> 01:30:40,210
you know, all the time just to set the record straight for him. I don't know. It's going to be,

1142
01:30:40,210 --> 01:30:46,770
It's going to be a crazy time, but I'm ultimately incredibly optimistic and hopeful.

1143
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:54,470
And I think that it's easy to get nihilistic now if you don't understand what's happening.

1144
01:30:54,630 --> 01:30:59,990
And this goes back to your point about having ways, whether it's astrology, whether it's

1145
01:30:59,990 --> 01:31:04,930
religion, whatever religion that may be that you practice, whether it's looking at these

1146
01:31:04,930 --> 01:31:17,063
these various cycles from an economic or a societal or a generational standpoint whatever it is that helps you make sense of the world like embrace that and look for a way like that

1147
01:31:17,443 --> 01:31:19,283
This is the human story, right?

1148
01:31:19,643 --> 01:31:21,683
It's trying to make sense of an ever-changing world.

1149
01:31:22,023 --> 01:31:25,303
It's always a little bit, a little bit ahead of us, right?

1150
01:31:26,403 --> 01:31:27,123
I don't know.

1151
01:31:27,303 --> 01:31:30,223
But personally, like I'm just super, I'm bullish on humanity,

1152
01:31:30,663 --> 01:31:33,203
especially once, you know, people self-select out of the gene pool.

1153
01:31:33,283 --> 01:31:34,883
I think we're going to leaps and bounds.

1154
01:31:34,883 --> 01:31:42,443
that's what makes me like real a real good uh you know self-cleansing of the gene pool it's so it's

1155
01:31:42,443 --> 01:31:47,483
non-violent it's completely opt-in it's it's a voluntary it's great you know if you don't want

1156
01:31:47,483 --> 01:31:51,923
to be here you don't have to be here like those of us who do want to i actually i can end on a

1157
01:31:51,923 --> 01:31:56,163
positive uh bitcoin note since we barely talked about bitcoin but that's i know we gotta we have

1158
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another conversation but i i enjoyed the heck out of this erin oh yeah of course i mean i think the

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thing the thing that bitcoin really taught me you know you mentioned like oh astrology religion

1160
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whatever you need for hope. For me, Bitcoin was hope. For me, Bitcoin taught me that a technological

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solution was possible and it was in the realm of money for Bitcoin. But I think what that ultimately

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opened me up to was just being a techno optimist in general. Now, that doesn't mean all technology

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is great or that you should just like download your consciousness to the cloud, whatever. But

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I think just for a long time, and I'm sure a lot of Bitcoiners had this experience,

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I went through life thinking that technology was this like scourge on the earth and it was just

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like making us worse and like whatever. I was always kind of an internet lover. So I never

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really got like fully into that realm. But, you know, I thought the tech oligarchs only wanted

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the worst for us and all this type of shit. And I think Bitcoin was the first technology that I

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learned about that I deeply understood that I felt like, oh, this can work, probably will work,

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like not even like, oh, I have to just believe in it really hard, then it'll work. But like,

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you know, the game theory here kind of seems to make sense, like this is what will play out.

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And it's a technological solution that humans couldn't have come up with just by like arguing with each other and trying to make laws. And I think that having that kind of paradigm shift then opened me up to other technological solutions. And I've noticed that Bitcoiners in general have a much healthier view of AI than I think the average person. And I think it's because of that.

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And, you know, what we went through in like July and August of this year with like just hack after hack after hack, like we are on the front lines of technology with Bitcoin.

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That just is what it is.

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Like we are on the front lines.

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And so we're the first attacked.

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And we got through that and we see, oh, the software is stronger on the other side.

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People actually come together in times of crisis and they try to work together and come up with collective solutions.

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And I think what we experienced this summer is just something that the rest of the world will eventually experience.

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And to me, it's like, if all Bitcoin ever did, like, let's say Bitcoin doesn't work.

1181
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And like the agents decide that they just want stable coins.

1182
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They like don't want Bitcoin or whatever it is.

1183
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Like, let's say it doesn't work.

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If all Bitcoin did was open me up to be on this like techno optimist bleeding edge of

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the future that saved me and changed me fundamentally.

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And so I think like for anyone who feels kind of lost in Bitcoin right now, I think all the

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podcasters do.

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I think a lot of the devs do.

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I think a lot of the people that have been here for, you know, even just a little while to a long while feel like they don't know exactly what the future holds for Bitcoin and all the air is being sucked out of the room by AI.

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Like, I just think that this got us here to be able to witness whatever is happening right now.

1191
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And if Bitcoin fits into this, then that's what will happen.

1192
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And that doesn't mean like no one should build stuff or no one should try ideas or whatever.

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But like Bitcoiners have dealt with AI the best of anyone that I've witnessed.

1194
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and I live in the Bay Area, I see a lot of people who deal with AI. Like, I think Bitcoiners have

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already learned this style of techno optimism that prioritizes human flourishing. And everyone else

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that is into AI is going to have to learn that through AI. Like they didn't go through that with

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Bitcoin. You know what I mean? So I still feel very like optimistic about Bitcoin. I just think

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like, we have to have this conversation about AI right now. Like, this is just what's happening.

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It's like we can't not have this. We can't not look at the godlike thing that's being created in front of us. You know what I mean? So yeah, I think like ultimately like Bitcoin is part of techno optimism. And I still am very bullish on Bitcoin for that reason. But yeah, we have to just see where we land, like on the other side of whatever this this cliff is, if we're going to plateau, if we're just going to shoot to the moon, whatever, like we don't know at this point.

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And so I think the best thing that Bitcoin can do and Bitcoiners can do is just like

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continue keeping up.

1202
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So don't touch any grass.

1203
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Just stay online.

1204
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Lock in right now.

1205
01:35:47,283 --> 01:35:49,583
Turn the clankers up to 11.

1206
01:35:49,783 --> 01:35:52,623
Rip the fucking knob off and let's do this thing.

1207
01:35:53,303 --> 01:35:57,743
No, I think, man, we're going to, and we're just going to have to do this again because

1208
01:35:57,743 --> 01:35:58,763
there's so many other tangents.

1209
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Well, we can catch up for 2027.

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I'll have my 2027 astrological take.

1211
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so we can meet at the next quarter.

1212
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This is perfect.

1213
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And I am going to send you some of this research that I'm putting together.

1214
01:36:12,303 --> 01:36:12,723
Please do.

1215
01:36:13,083 --> 01:36:16,103
You can also bully me to get it published and out the door.

1216
01:36:17,423 --> 01:36:18,483
Nathan's not the only one.

1217
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I appreciate you, Nathan, if you are listening to this right now.

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But this was a blast.

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I had a ton of fun conversing with you and going deep down these rabbit holes.

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There are so many more to explore,

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And I just find that incredibly exciting that there's always something new to learn and some new angle to look at things from.

1222
01:36:36,583 --> 01:36:44,743
If people like what they heard and they managed to stick this out, like if you stuck it out to right now, like you are you are not a short form, you know, clip slot person.

1223
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You are a long form, high IQ person.

1224
01:36:47,383 --> 01:36:47,883
So thank you.

1225
01:36:47,923 --> 01:36:52,923
And where can those long form, high IQ people find you and the work that you do?

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01:36:53,103 --> 01:36:54,283
Hell money, all that stuff.

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Yeah.

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If you want to hear me talk more about Bitcoin, I would definitely recommend hell money because that's my Bitcoin podcast.

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01:36:59,063 --> 01:37:05,003
If you want to hear me talk more about astrology, I'd recommend just Aaron Redwing on any platform, YouTube, TikTok, Twitter.

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I'm actually not on Instagram, so not on Instagram.

1231
01:37:07,743 --> 01:37:16,523
But yeah, my personal stuff, I focus much more on astrology and just kind of the consciousness evolution that we're going through, more like spiritual topics around technology.

1232
01:37:16,523 --> 01:37:21,363
And then Hell Money, I always put it in there, but we're mostly talking about like Bitcoin for Bitcoin's sake.

1233
01:37:21,443 --> 01:37:23,383
Like we're reviewing the block size wars right now.

1234
01:37:23,503 --> 01:37:24,323
Oh, my God.

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01:37:24,423 --> 01:37:26,083
Like, it's crazy.

1236
01:37:26,083 --> 01:37:32,323
It's it's we are going back through the original texts and like reconstructing the block size wars from the beginning.

1237
01:37:32,323 --> 01:37:36,703
And it's nice. It's bear market material, but it's really it's really good stuff.

1238
01:37:36,803 --> 01:37:39,923
So highly recommend if you want to reactivate your wartime PTSD.

1239
01:37:40,463 --> 01:37:43,623
That's a good resource. But yeah, that's where you can find me.

1240
01:37:44,223 --> 01:37:48,183
Awesome. Well, appreciate you very much. Thank you for your time here.

1241
01:37:48,323 --> 01:37:51,443
Well, yeah, we'll put something on the books for 2027.

1242
01:37:51,443 --> 01:37:53,503
We can align it with some cycle or another.

1243
01:37:53,503 --> 01:37:58,543
and we gotta you know gotta get this stuff out out there so that people have some way to uh

1244
01:37:58,543 --> 01:38:03,943
to cope with either the coming uh you know the p doom or the p boom i'm on the p boom side of

1245
01:38:03,943 --> 01:38:08,723
things i think i think we're we're up into the right uh you know but aaron thank you so much

1246
01:38:08,723 --> 01:38:12,983
this is a blast and thank you everybody who listened to this either live uh or after the

1247
01:38:12,983 --> 01:38:17,363
fact i appreciate you guys touch grass while your clankers do work for you that's the best

1248
01:38:17,363 --> 01:38:21,403
thing i can say but thank you aaron thank you walker see ya

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you