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It is all part of this kayfabe. It is giant theater, this giant production. Everybody knows

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that everything is a performance. If eyes are on you, every behavior, everything you talk about is

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constantly under surveillance, under monitoring, then kayfabe is the only way that you protect

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yourself. You gotta watch out for the psychopaths because they are the masters of kayfabe, really.

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Erica Kirk is a sociopath. A lot of people do seem to think that. And you look at like the deep

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state. A lot of stereotypes that they're sociopaths, a lot of stereotypes that they're

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closet gay. The psychopaths being the ones that are trying to retain power and control,

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like they're the most incentivized to be the most effective adopters. If you don't stop this,

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you're going to end up like Andrew Tate. You're going to be in the dungeon, walling around in your

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own shit and complaining about it on X. Instead of going out there and taking personal responsibility

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and trying to figure out how to fix things.

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And they're rooting for it to collapse.

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Can you truly be alive?

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Can you truly be human?

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If everything you do is kayfabe.

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The whole Epstein island, the whole Epstein aura

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is all part of this kayfabe.

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It's not a sweet stretch to me to think that we,

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or at least parts of the United States,

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could be living under kayfabe communist person.

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this is walker america welcome to kayfabe university i was debating whether or not i

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wanted to do that at the start uh because i don't like to you know i don't i don't like to to steal

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other people's thunder or try to be a vampire of their energy but it felt like the right thing to

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do dick rod the buglers welcome back to the show it's i'm stoked to have you here last time we did

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a we did this as a forget i had you both on then forget if you were both on or ben justman too

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for a little bitcoin after dark or maybe just one of you i'm it's all blending together

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okay it was yeah it's one of those funny things like i i just kind of like looked and as i was

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vibe coding a new website for the bitcoin podcast because i'm a vibe coder now um i i realized i've

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been doing it since like august 2023 so it's been like over three years now in my how time flies when

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you're bitcoin podcasting it's really incredible it's incredible to see when did you guys start

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the bugle when when was it um that would have been sometime in like the spring of 2024 i want to say

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like may okay or maybe it was it was sometime in the summer um it was it was a time of

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a lot of cognitive dissonance around how we were going to scale bitcoin how we were going to make

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get to 100k it may have been even 2023 now that i'm thinking about it but it was it was the time

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of compliance like we we started out we launched we were um we were we were actually we took a very

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unfortunate sponsorship from big bitcoin at the time was known as podconf the podcast and conference

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industrial complex. And we were really just churning out a lot of content on their behalf

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that compliance was defiance and that we were going to comply our way out of the doldrums,

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the sideways crowd market action. And it was a few, I mean, I don't think we made it 10 episodes

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before we broke our contract and Big Bitcoin was threatening to just bog us down with litigation

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sue us ultimately the the legal case they did not pursue it um but we've come a long way

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since since the pod comp the early days it it's a very new podcast

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but so much has happened since we started it it feels like we've been going for years

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i mean you've you've been pretty consistent too and one thing i you know let's get the glaze out

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the way now guys just so we can have a post glaze episode for the rest of it you guys are consistently

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i i have said for a while and nobody has argued with me so that counts as me being correct uh

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i've said for a while that you guys very much are are sort of the mimetic zeitgeist right now

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and have been actually whether or not people knew it was you uh that was you know shaping

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the narrative, shaping their minds really.

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For a long time you guys have sort of been

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in the background or in the foreground

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or somewhere in between,

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nudging the narrative in the right direction.

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And it a pretty remarkable thing And I think that people either really love you guys or like boy some people do not And I find myself in a similar category where it like you either enjoy me or you think I

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you know, the largest douche that has ever crash landed on planet earth from the

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galaxy of Dushistan or something. You know, it's, there's not much of a middle ground there.

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There's not too much ambivalence, I guess.

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Did you guys plan it?

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Did you start this thing off saying,

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we will find our way to controlling the mimetic narrative,

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to being the zeitgeist?

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Or do you think it happened simply as a function

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of the quality of the memes that were coming out,

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of the quality of the journalism as well?

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I think of anything,

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what we've been able to accomplish

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and continue to accomplish is just very clear.

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It's a clear example of the importance of credentials

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and the importance of smoking cigarettes.

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And I don't think we ever set out to do anything

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but just to report the news.

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And it seemed like there was a market for news reporting,

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for credentialed news reporting.

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And to say that we control the narrative

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like it's generous we just kind of report the narrative well i'm not saying you're pod conf

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you know i mean so let's let's let's be clear there uh but i mean more so let me perhaps i

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should clarify i think that you guys are you're in a place where you are the let's say the vanguard

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of the memetic the memetic war if it may perhaps that's a better way to say it you're you're out

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ahead of everyone else we're talking about this off stream i'll occasionally think i have a pretty

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you know pretty red hot meme and you know we'll uh we'll hit you guys up and be like hey what do

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you think of this and you'll send me a link it's like yeah we we did this exact meme 18 months ago

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that's nice work walker so you're you're far ahead of the curve you're far ahead of the curve i don't

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think you guys have the reach that you'd that you very much deserve still even after all this

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grinding and i'm wondering if you think there's a bit of a some sort of a bias against bitcoin

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podcasters maybe nefarious forces working against them that you know perhaps forces that are even

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stronger than big bitcoin well we learned this a long time ago where we were operating on what you

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know the meme is like hard mode or like legendary mode if you played halo where we were not going to

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And it is a great example. Back about a year ago, when all of the discourse around Bitcoin and the core capture was moving towards this CSAM narrative, right?

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They used that term specifically because, you know, child pornography was, that term itself was punished by the algorithm.

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You would be down, you know, what's the term shadow band?

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They're using certain terms.

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And we never, we decided to never use the censored or like optimized for the algorithm terms.

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we always wanted to use the raw real i mean that's what journalism is like we were telling

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the truth we wanted to tell the truth in the in the in the most raw and true language and that

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constantly got us downvoted whatever it is downranked in the algorithm so it made it more

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difficult for us to kind of reach a broader audience i think also just the raw information

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and the topics we were covering were like so close to the source of the Bitcoin podcast,

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the pod comp industrial complex industry,

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that it just really wasn't ready for the raw consumption of, you know, the broader public.

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But what we also learned very early on was that having 5,000 or whatever the number is,

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very, very tuned in, very, very relevant, very influential followers, audience, small,

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influential audience is much more valuable than having a huge audience of very casual,

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very low loyalty or like low engagement followers, unless you were trying to sell,

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you know, trinkets. And we don't sell trinkets to the plebs. We were journalists.

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So the information, the news that we were reporting was getting to very, very high value audience followers.

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And they were able to propagate the message out and kind of carry on the narrative that they were learning from the journalism.

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But we did not build an audience suitable for selling trinkets We also needed to launch a fork I think just to be more effective selling trinkets just be apologies for the interruption

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Dick.

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we've just,

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we've done something very different than most individuals on Bitcoin Twitter,

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which is we have never bought followers.

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And I think one of the things that is.

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telling of our experience so far is that

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there is a large portion of these social media platforms which are not real people

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and we've had this struggle for a while it's determining the difference between a plab in a

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bot but i think it's very clear that influence does not equate to fault

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based on our experience

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and what the circulation of information

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media, like you look at Time Magazine, for

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example, like Time Magazine.

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Let me go ahead and just out of

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just that I'm not talking completely

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out of my ass.

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Da-da-da-da-cha.

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Where are they?

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I will make this point salient, I promise.

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Let me see.

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Okay, they don't even like show up.

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They are apparently being blocked very much from search,

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which is probably a good thing.

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The point is they've got millions and millions.

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I've got 16.5 million followers on X.

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No, I'm sorry, 18.5.

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uh they've got like okay they posted something 30 minutes ago it's got two likes they posted

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something an hour ago it's got 15 likes four hours ago six likes four hours ago your shoe

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size can change as you age here's why 10 likes with 18.5 million followers so that right there

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I think is it's very much the, an indictment of the legacy media's idea that sort of, you know,

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your reach, your raw reach is all that matters. Because if people don't engage with it in the

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algorithmic age, it doesn't matter how many people are technically following you. And let's be honest,

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most of those are probably bots. Like you look at like any, like any politician too,

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it's just like it's just mostly it's mostly bots right uh and because you have to wonder like how

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are how are 30 000 people liking what hillary clinton has to say you know it's just it's just

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it was probably not very productive or efficient,

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but we were talking about like a civil defense mechanism

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because there was the civil attack that was,

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we think about a civil attack, you know,

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it's like the nodes, you have like all these fake nodes

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and then they convince your node that you're part of the network and you're kind of getting

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bad information. But it's like broader than that. It can be part of the information warfare. And I

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noticed during the election cycle in 2024 that you'd have these videos or just this content,

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these posts that would have 30, like you said, 30,000, tens of thousands of likes and retweets.

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But if you looked at the replies, there might be like 150 replies. Out of 150 replies,

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145 of them were telling the the the you know the the content author to like go fuck themselves

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or like how stupid they were how terrible uh their opinion was and it was like you've got 30 000 likes

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22 000 retweets but only 150 people took time to reply and all of them hate you and you know this

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was about the same time that elon musk uh after he took over x he made likes

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so now you could no longer see who the likes were you couldn't see that there was 20 some thousand

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just totally fake people liking the post and that goes even further back because when he bought the

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platform he talked about the um making getting rid of the bot problem getting rid of all of the spam

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bots and of course they never did that they mitigated it with different uh techniques but

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they never got rid of them and part of the reason why is because they need to sell they need to sell

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advertising and to go to these advert the people who are paying for advertising on your platform

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and say and be like listen this whole time most of the impressions most of the engagements

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seeing your paid advertisements were not real people they were not potential consumers of your

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products uh they were all bots it was all stand bots uh it's not that's not a good look it's not

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how you monetize it's not you make money when you know the value of the platform plunges you know

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50 a few months after you purchase it so it's again like the title of this episode

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the kayfabe it is it is all part of this kayfabe it is this giant theater this giant production

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everybody knows that everything at least on on a screen or in public in these you know very public

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events is a performance and they don't know necessarily which part of the performance they're

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part of like he is is the person on stage performing is all the people in this crowd you

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know we go back to the the MAGA rallies and or the Kamala Harris uh her big like stadium tours

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where they're talking about like bussing in thousands of people it's like how many people

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in this crowd are cheering because they were paid how many people in this crowd are cheering because

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they want the cameras to see their their enthusiasm then you can even feel you can take it to North

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Korea, where if you don't cheer and show enough enthusiasm for the dear leader, you

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could be taken and fired into the sea from a trebuchet because you didn't participate

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in the kayfabe with an enthusiasm.

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And that's everything today.

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Everything today online, especially, is or in public is a performance.

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and nobody everybody involved knows to a certain extent that it is all a performance but nobody

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knows really like how far that goes and what their role in it is well it all goes back sort of to uh

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to like the alexander solzhenitsyn quote right uh the we know that they're lying they know

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they're lying and they and I have this pulled up guys I don't have this memorized I'm not gonna

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I'm not gonna engage in the kayfabe and pretend like I have the entire quote memorized verbatim I

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just want you guys to know that so we know that they're lying they know that they're lying they

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even know that we know that they're lying we also know that they know that we know that they know

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they are lying too they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying

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too as well but they are still lying in our country the lie has become not just moral category

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but the pillar of this country,

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the pillar industry of this country, excuse me.

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And I think that that's,

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it's such a good point with the various political rallies,

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probably more kayfabe going on at a Kamala rally

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than a Trump rally.

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Only Trump rally I've been to

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was the Bitcoin conference in Nashville,

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which, I mean, he was only a couple hours late,

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but when he got in there, man, the mood was electric.

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I mean, he didn't just fall out of a coconut tree,

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if you know what I mean.

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You know, he's a showman, knows how to work that crowd.

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But also Donald Trump is the king of kayfabe as well.

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You know, like, so just to put that out there.

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He was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame in 2013.

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I didn't actually know that.

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The first kayfabe president.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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I mean, like, quite literally there.

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But it's an incredible thing that we're at this stage.

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I think that this is part of the, you can take this a couple of ways, right?

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I think in terms of how you internalize the kayfabe.

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One, I think very prevalent and popular way of internalizing the kayfabe that, you know,

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is the water that we swim in now is simply to sort of sink into nihilism.

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Everything is fake.

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You know, everything is kayfabe.

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I like, well, what's even, what's even the point?

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Everything's fake.

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everybody's pretending what are we even doing here nothing matters you know we're just cosmic

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dust and whatever it's inconsequential who cares but the other path that I choose and I think that

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you guys choose is to really embrace the kayfabe it's like it's not everything's fake it's

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everything's fake everything's fake and in a world where everything is fake

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being not fake is kind of a superpower it actually gives you this this beautiful leverage and i think

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that's back to your prior point about having a really dedicated group of people that may not be

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the biggest you don't have bot enhanced followings but you have i mean you even look at your boosts

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on fountain and they tell a very clear story it's probably one of the most boosted shows

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boosted podcast set of podcasts actually your you have our your rss feeds have rss feeds

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but probably like some of the highest up there on fountain i would guess if not the highest

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that's because you have rabid followers who know that you're real journalists who yes

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understand the kayfabe engage in the kayfabe as it suits you to tell the truth but are not

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succumbing to the kayfabe, as I think so many are, if that makes sense.

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Well, a big part of life is understanding the rules of the game.

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And this is where most people struggle, where the kayfabe kind of runs their life.

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So you look like at the doomers on spaces.

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They're having a real hard time right now.

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They're crashing out about one crisis after another.

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Doomers or boomers?

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Well, they're pretty similar most of the time.

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Okay, just wanted to clarify.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's a lot of Gen X people, too.

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I think Gen X wants attention, if I'm being honest.

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They feel like nobody ever gave them attention.

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It was just like, boomers, boomers, boomers, then all, you know, millennials, millennials,

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and they kind of were like, hey, guys, don't forget about us.

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Hey, I'm the forgotten generation.

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Yeah, most neglected generation.

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I've now interrupted you twice, Richard, so I apologize yet again.

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Please, please continue.

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Well, I mean, a big part of, you know, the Gen Xers and their struggle is that they thought they could just kind of like wait for their turn in line.

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And the keys to the kingdom would be handed to them.

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And like a lot of people complain about the average age of politicians right now.

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Like, why are they all ancient?

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is because the younger generations didn't come and seize power for them

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because that's how power is held.

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It's gone after and seized.

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And, you know, the Gen Xers just kind of sat on their hands

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and, you know, watched network television.

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And the boomers just really ran over them.

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And now it's time for the millennials to come and pick up the pieces

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is the mess that they've created by not taking power

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and not being responsible.

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And they're sitting on their hands just, you know,

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waiting for it to all fall apart.

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Like it's almost like they're rooting for it to happen.

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Instead of going out there and taking personal responsibility

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and trying to figure out how to fix things,

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They're rooting for it to collapse.

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And it's a very strange phenomenon because, you know, the younger generations, I don't think we can even entertain that because it's like, yeah, we have too much stake in the future.

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Yeah.

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And the unique part about this is, you're right, like it's very easy to be demoralized or nihilistic because everything is fake.

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And that's especially true when the older generations, Gen X and the boomers, are slowly starting to realize this.

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But the millennials grew up when kayfabe was really proliferating in culture The millennials grew up when kayfabe was like really proliferating in culture The millennials grew up watching the Attitude Era of WWF and the New World Order and the WCW

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They grew up with the advent of reality television with all the reality shows, the Kardashians like this.

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It's very obviously scripted.

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It's very obviously a performance, but it's sold to us as reality TV.

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I mean, the president of the United States currently really became more of a household name from his show, The Apprentice, on NBC.

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And then you've got Gen Alpha and Zoomers who every aspect of their life since they were born, like their first day of school is on Facebook, on Instagram.

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their first date their first prom their uh their first fight like everything that they've ever done

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has been captured and documented and put on the on social media by their parents and like

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if the you know everybody it's a spectrum but like a lot of parents they

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they really they they boost up their kid they want to be how handsome he is he's such a great

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student like his first day of school he loves school yada yada it's all this this fake

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kayfabe reality to them and now you've got guys like clavicular and and nick puentes and these

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younger guys who know exactly how to manipulate the media manipulate the headlines because their

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entire lives have been documented they've been taped they've been recorded they've been put on

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the internet and to in some way gain engagement to manipulate the audience into thinking something

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either is not true or that it's like an exaggerated version of reality they know exactly how to

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maneuver in this environment i think that's why you're seeing the the zoomers are really taking

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hold of the narrative and like really capturing and setting the tone for like what we talk about

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the language we use to talk about it uh the tiktok zoomers for example are really taking over from

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the traditional gen x boomer media control levers and it's kind of bypassed everybody into tweet

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oh geez first podcast sorry i was talking on mute i was i was just thinking about

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i was thinking about uh just you know quantum mechanics uh as one does it's either rome or

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quantum mechanics as you were talking and also listening to that it's really you know multitasking

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at an incredible level but i was thinking about as you were talking about this this whole idea that

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millennials being the kayfabe generation and then sort of gen z i don't even know what like

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that on steroids right but it all comes back to sort of this quantum idea of the presence of the

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observer changing the behavior of the observed like that's what's so easy my tweet no are you

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kidding me fucking hey yeah i said the observer effect the quantum observer effect is the phenomenon

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that once something is observed it begins to do k-fib

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you see this is what i'm talking about on live on stream you guys proving you're always several

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months ahead of me you know reaching various uh various conclusions so well done again well done

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again i truly did not see the tweet um so you're but you know you're exactly right we talked about

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this on the bugle which is did this constant surveillance state so now it's like everywhere

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it's ai palantir flock cameras but before that it was still like everything you talked about

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was under surveillance of some sort,

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whether it was used to silence you,

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censor you, ban you from the platform

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if you said the wrong things.

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So this kayfabe,

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this fake, ironic, satirical way of communicating,

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I think is like a subconscious defense mechanism

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for this constant state of surveillance.

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If everything, if eyes are on you,

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every behavior, everything you talk about

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is constantly under surveillance, under monitoring,

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then kayfabe is the only way that you protect yourself because you're like sorry your honor

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i was just doing kayfabe i'm innocent it sort of goes back to i think uh i think i was a as i was

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listening to my 40 hours per week i think it was american hodl talking about this i'm forgetting on

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whose show it may have been on uh the what is macro what is excuse me what is bitcoin podcast

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with Danny Knowles, and he's a big fan of mine.

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I always like meeting him because, you know, he's so giddy,

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and it's really quite endearing.

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And he's a bigger guy than you think from seeing him on camera.

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He's a pretty big lad.

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But American Hodel Hodel was talking about this idea that one of the reasons

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that the British develop such a dry sense of humor

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is because they don actually have true free speech And so they always need to be it their own you know the kayfabe I don know exactly how they pronounce it

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across the pond.

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It'd sound very nice.

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We need Freddie New to say kayfabe

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in his really deep, posh British voice.

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That'd be pretty sweet.

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But the point being,

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they develop this sort of defense mechanism

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where everything is always a little bit sarcastic

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because then you can always say,

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I was just taking the piss, mate.

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You know, don't throw me in jail for that for that tweet, please, you know, please.

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Now, I think they're throwing them in jail either way.

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So perhaps, you know, taking the piss is now is now a punishable offense in the United Kingdom.

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But I think that that again, it goes back to the point of you use this kayfabe as your defense mechanism, sort of as your shield, really, as you walk around the world to protect yourself from from just about anything.

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uh i guess the question is can the kayfabe go too far and has it already

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i i do think it can go far and i think there's examples of people uh buying it

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into it too much and we we see the consequences of the kayfabe all the time like um

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uh you know regardless of the opinion like alex jones and kind of the fall of info wars like he

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he tried to use kayfabe as a legal defense in that case.

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Um,

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and I'm not going to take a moral like stance on the,

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on the ruling or whatever.

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Um,

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but,

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uh,

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I mean,

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I think we all think,

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uh,

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there's some silliness to the,

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the way that,

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you know,

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the lawsuit worked out against him and he was able to get shut down.

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But,

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uh,

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uh,

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that's an example of the kayfabe going too far.

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Uh,

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Milo,

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you know,

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Minneapolis getting deported.

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That's another example of the kayfabe going too far.

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Luke and Mechanic and Cratter forking Bitcoin.

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That's an example of the kayfabe going too far.

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Iran.

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Bombing Iran.

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This whole thing with the straight arm is, is kayfabe gone too far.

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Like, Donald Trump tried to manage.

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They thought that they were going to use AI.

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they're going to go and destroy the all the critical infrastructure killed the uh ayatollah

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and it was all going to be over and then it didn't end and then he tried to use kayfabe and these

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fake negotiations it's like oh they want to negotiate and like it started to fall apart

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and we're starting to see some of the consequences you know and the bond macro all the macro bond

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stuff kayfabe um it but once you lose control of the kayfabe and it becomes a real geopolitical

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crisis that's when the stakes have become very high do you uh just speaking of bond market kayfabe

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did you see jake paul uh with uh his honor the treasury secretary scott bessin percent today

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looks just i mean he's he's he's high as a kite which is all good man but there's he's like

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touching a you know portrait on the wall and there's some really you guys have probably already

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made a meme about it you know i i don't know i'm sure you're already 10 steps ahead on that one

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but you know it's it's interesting too i i'm wondering if uh another person who took the

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kayfabe perhaps too far was andrew tate i don't know if you saw his his recent post about the uh

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quite appalling squalor that he's being forced to live in perhaps as a result of the establishment

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not liking the cut of his kayfabe you know not really understanding that he was in fact the

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entire time engaging in kayfabe i mean the cars were rented um the other thing i i don't have a

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an opinion either way, but it does seem that he is being kept in a lot of squalor.

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And perhaps this is another example of just some good-natured kayfabe having some real-world

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consequences once the state gets involved. And it seems that the state can engage in kayfabe with

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other states, like the nation-state, you know, wars are waged and kayfabe is waged at the nation-state

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level between nation-states, not between individuals. But when the nation-state starts

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punishing the individual for their own individual kayfabe i mean what kind of precedent does that

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set what what does that tell us about where we're headed well i i think one of the ways uh you know

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for kayfabe to be successful is for there to be a pre-arranged determination of a winner and a loser

435
00:35:54,944 --> 00:35:56,744
and

436
00:35:56,744 --> 00:35:59,084
if it's not

437
00:35:59,084 --> 00:36:00,704
pretty arranged there's

438
00:36:00,704 --> 00:36:03,284
clear dynamics as

439
00:36:03,284 --> 00:36:05,364
to how one

440
00:36:05,364 --> 00:36:06,384
might win or lose

441
00:36:06,384 --> 00:36:09,144
and what continues to seem to be the

442
00:36:09,144 --> 00:36:11,064
issue is you know the

443
00:36:11,064 --> 00:36:13,144
two parties aren't

444
00:36:13,144 --> 00:36:15,284
in complete agreeance

445
00:36:15,284 --> 00:36:16,944
and so like you know there's these

446
00:36:16,944 --> 00:36:19,104
situations you know and often times

447
00:36:19,104 --> 00:36:21,044
when people get upset about free

448
00:36:21,044 --> 00:36:37,840
speech restrictions or whatever and all what happening in that situation is it not just that somebody is being prosecuted egregiously for in their free speech is not being respected What being done is there

449
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:45,100
is a dispute over the rules of the kayfabe and how it's going to be done. Like when you see these

450
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:50,680
giant public backlashes and speech um

451
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:59,500
yeah it's what the reason that the wwe is such a successful enterprise

452
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:03,400
is because all of the storylines and all the matches

453
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:10,920
are predetermined the script has been written everybody's kind of bought into it and you know

454
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,580
who's going to win WrestleMania at the end of all of the cycle.

455
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:20,280
Whereas in real life, kayfabe, you know,

456
00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:22,720
another good example is Chud the Builder.

457
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,420
He's doing this kayfabe on the streets of Nashville.

458
00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:30,680
He's doing like this up-in-your-face provocative racism content.

459
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,160
And then he spirals out of control.

460
00:37:33,820 --> 00:37:34,840
Some guy attacks him.

461
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,380
Nobody knows if that guy attacked him as like a pre,

462
00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:40,720
as like it was pre-planned.

463
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:47,920
but yet the gun ended up going off nobody got hurt um but now he's facing like 25 to 30 years

464
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:56,360
in prison he just got out on you know a multi-million dollar uh bond recently but people

465
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,160
are facing more time than lindsey clancy you know what i mean yeah just for what for kayfabe

466
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,900
right they're spinning up they're spinning up homemade kayfabe they're spinning up this organic

467
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:13,900
bootstrapping their kayfabe and nobody else is in on it nobody else knows what the the scripted

468
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:21,600
ultimate who's winning wrestlemania so to speak so you get these these k-babes and it's like if

469
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,320
the incentives are not aligned like some of these spin up and it gives a lot of attention for somebody

470
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:35,400
but it also becomes beneficial for the target of their their their campaign they're going against

471
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:41,160
them they're they're in many cases defaming that person but it's benefiting that other person it's

472
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:46,400
raising their profile it's gaining them followers it's gaining them money of some sort notoriety

473
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,900
whatever it is they want and sometimes it works out but sometimes it doesn't and you know candace

474
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:58,780
elwins is another example with the uh brigitte mccrown thing like she just started this she

475
00:38:58,780 --> 00:39:04,000
started this campaign against brigitte mccrown and and eventually france was like we're going to put

476
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,460
an end to this and we're going to figure out a way to bully you out of doing this anymore even

477
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:14,980
though we don't really have that much jurisdiction in the united states and it worked and more people

478
00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:21,920
are more with power and the ability to do so are putting their putting their foot down and they're

479
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:28,060
stopping some of this uh you know some of these circus routines in this kayfabe and they're saying

480
00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:33,360
if you don't stop this you're gonna end up like andrew tate you're gonna be in the in the dungeon

481
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,640
and wall around in your own shit

482
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,400
and complaining about it on X.

483
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,180
And maybe not even monetizing it,

484
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,440
you know, which is really the...

485
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,300
Demonetizing is a huge one.

486
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,780
Yeah, I mean, that's the sad thing.

487
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:52,040
I mean, I hope Andrew Tate,

488
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,180
before he got in there,

489
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:54,760
at least got, you know,

490
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,940
changed over to the new original content,

491
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,100
greater revenue sharing,

492
00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:01,760
so that at least this experience can,

493
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:02,200
you know,

494
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,660
can net him some sweet Delares.

495
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,500
But who knows?

496
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:09,580
Who knows?

497
00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:11,320
Maybe he hasn't even been able to.

498
00:40:11,580 --> 00:40:14,440
Maybe this suffering is even without monetization.

499
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,860
And I think suffering without monetization,

500
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,540
I mean, that's the worst thing you could imagine, right?

501
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,020
If you're going to suffer, you need to monetize it.

502
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:26,800
I think that's really the ultimate lesson of,

503
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:30,520
and the lesson that I think Gen Z has understood

504
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,240
perhaps better than millennials, but I'm interested to hear your guys' thoughts.

505
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,880
And perhaps this goes back to millennials being not digitally native.

506
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:49,480
Millennials, we remember dial-up and DSL, and we remember having our Motorola Razr

507
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,320
and having limits on our text messages that we could send and things like that.

508
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,300
We're not digitally native.

509
00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:58,020
We crossed, we're the generation that crosses the digital divide.

510
00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,700
but Gen Z they're completely

511
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:02,520
digitally native

512
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,280
and I think they have a much

513
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,960
more savvy

514
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,960
as far as monetizing their own

515
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,800
suffering or perceived suffering

516
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,420
their

517
00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:14,820
suffering that is their kayfabe really

518
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:16,640
but I'm curious perhaps

519
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,460
you guys have a different opinion on whether or not

520
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:20,740
maybe it is millennials millennials are pretty good

521
00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:22,780
at grievances

522
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:24,320
and grievance signaling

523
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,900
so I'd be open

524
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:27,860
to debate on this one

525
00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:33,660
Well, we pay attention a lot to the broccoli haircuts and what they're doing.

526
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:34,160
Mm.

527
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:34,660
Mm.

528
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:35,660
They're important.

529
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:39,960
You know, like one of the, the, the fatal mistakes that most generations do is they

530
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:44,617
completely right off the younger generations below them or at least this is like primarily

531
00:41:44,617 --> 00:41:49,797
what gen xers do like the boomers complaining about gen x they were right 100 absolutely

532
00:41:49,797 --> 00:41:55,537
you got to give it to the boomers on that one yeah i mean there's not much to learn from gen x

533
00:41:55,537 --> 00:42:01,557
but you know the millennials there's a lot to learn from um zoomers there's a lot to learn from

534
00:42:01,557 --> 00:42:07,617
the gen alpha isn't old enough to be you know organized and coherent yet but they are approaching

535
00:42:07,617 --> 00:42:15,297
that relatively quickly and uh when that happens uh they're worth watching and seeing what they

536
00:42:15,297 --> 00:42:23,677
are doing but um i don't remember specifically what the what the question was uh but

537
00:42:23,677 --> 00:42:33,777
each generation definitely has their own strength and skill set except for gen x um and uh

538
00:42:33,777 --> 00:42:42,577
Yeah, it's important to understand it, to be able to maximize it, and to also understand

539
00:42:42,577 --> 00:42:43,577
your weaknesses.

540
00:42:43,577 --> 00:42:53,057
Yes, not all millennials are bad at it, but a lot of times millennials, whether they

541
00:42:53,057 --> 00:42:58,877
crash out, whether they go on some spiral about how they're a victim, and everybody else

542
00:42:58,877 --> 00:43:05,797
is to the lane and it sometimes it works out for them sometimes they go viral sometimes not it's

543
00:43:05,797 --> 00:43:12,497
kind of hit or miss it's a little chaotic zoomers jen the broccoli haircuts have they schedule

544
00:43:12,497 --> 00:43:19,177
their their google calendar has their crash out scheduled they have the ring light camera on

545
00:43:19,177 --> 00:43:24,777
they've got their audience ready revved up they've got music playing in the lobby ready for everybody

546
00:43:24,777 --> 00:43:27,657
to come and consume their crash out.

547
00:43:28,217 --> 00:43:31,697
Everything is very tightly controlled.

548
00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:34,397
They're very on top of it.

549
00:43:34,897 --> 00:43:41,077
Gen Z does not have an emotional crash out swing,

550
00:43:41,237 --> 00:43:42,037
like whatever it is.

551
00:43:42,157 --> 00:43:47,517
Everything is corresponding to how the content can be put out,

552
00:43:47,637 --> 00:43:49,537
which platforms it's put out on.

553
00:43:49,837 --> 00:43:52,497
The distribution is already lined up ahead of time

554
00:43:52,497 --> 00:43:54,297
before they do this.

555
00:43:54,297 --> 00:44:07,377
I mean, whether it's their OnlyFans content, whether it's like I said, like crashing out on camera, blaming somebody, staging some sort of crisis or like legal issue, like clavicular.

556
00:44:07,657 --> 00:44:12,457
How did he rise to like a national household name?

557
00:44:12,737 --> 00:44:21,237
He was allegedly running people over with his Lamborghini who were trying to, you know, harass him or stalk him.

558
00:44:21,237 --> 00:44:28,237
uh like i said zoomers don't even run over their own fans with their lamborghinis without having

559
00:44:28,237 --> 00:44:34,817
a plan for how to monetize it of course millennials are very reactionary they try to monetize after the

560
00:44:34,817 --> 00:44:39,937
fact zoomers are very proactive and they've already got a plan ahead of time before they do it

561
00:44:39,937 --> 00:44:49,857
it's pretty impressive really um i think i for a while uh you know being a millennial who is

562
00:44:49,857 --> 00:44:55,517
reactionary. I was behind the times on knowing what a clavicular was, and I thought it was some

563
00:44:55,517 --> 00:45:02,477
sort of a, like a collarbone adornment, perhaps, from ancient times. Some sort of, you know,

564
00:45:03,037 --> 00:45:07,217
perhaps it's some sort of metal brooch of sorts, but that fastens onto one's own

565
00:45:07,217 --> 00:45:14,317
collarbone, onto the clavicle itself. I was wrong. It's a person who looks Max's.

566
00:45:14,317 --> 00:45:22,177
but i did see one uh you know short form slop clip with him where he was talking about the fact

567
00:45:22,177 --> 00:45:28,517
that he has to monetize everything like there's no point in doing something if he's not monetizing

568
00:45:28,517 --> 00:45:35,877
it and i think that's a i mean it's entrepreneurial you've got to give them that they they understand

569
00:45:35,877 --> 00:45:41,917
that if well if you're gonna do it you may as well monetize it but again this goes back to the

570
00:45:41,917 --> 00:45:49,037
whole observer effect, right? And how much are they actually living? Or is it all just kayfabe?

571
00:45:49,117 --> 00:45:54,817
And can you truly be alive? Can you truly be human if everything you do is kayfabe?

572
00:45:55,997 --> 00:46:01,377
It's survival. I mean, if a broccoli haircut ever wants to, I mean, look,

573
00:46:01,377 --> 00:46:08,457
did you see the interest rates on houses? 30-year mortgages is now pushing like 7.2%.

574
00:46:08,457 --> 00:46:15,337
percent if a broccoli eric ever wants to own his own home he's gonna have to kayfabe for the next

575
00:46:15,337 --> 00:46:25,017
60 years like every emotion every wife uh major wife event everything that they do is gonna have

576
00:46:25,017 --> 00:46:28,857
to be monetized on tick tock if they're ever gonna be able to buy a house

577
00:46:28,857 --> 00:46:42,557
or kick which again i i only found out was a thing recently uh i can't i can't keep up i feel i feel

578
00:46:42,557 --> 00:46:59,333
i feel like a boomer sometimes guys i feel like a boomer there so much to keep up with there so much to stay on top of how do you uh to borrow a phrase from jeff booth how do you find signal in a noisy world how do you guys do it personally

579
00:46:59,333 --> 00:47:05,633
as credentialed journalists uh as truth tellers how do you sort through the noise

580
00:47:05,633 --> 00:47:13,393
and find the signal these days it's getting harder well i think uh number one is entropy

581
00:47:13,393 --> 00:47:15,193
at the end of the day.

582
00:47:15,873 --> 00:47:17,353
And I personally have found

583
00:47:17,353 --> 00:47:19,233
that interacting with people in person

584
00:47:19,233 --> 00:47:21,993
on the ground performing in real journalism

585
00:47:21,993 --> 00:47:25,133
is the best source.

586
00:47:26,113 --> 00:47:28,873
And to, you know, look at stuff online,

587
00:47:28,873 --> 00:47:34,753
but also think a lot more critically about it

588
00:47:34,753 --> 00:47:36,913
in the context of, you know,

589
00:47:36,953 --> 00:47:38,353
the entropy that I'm getting on the ground.

590
00:47:38,513 --> 00:47:40,093
But, you know, part of it is curating

591
00:47:40,093 --> 00:47:41,513
effective group chats.

592
00:47:41,793 --> 00:47:43,233
That's a big thing.

593
00:47:43,393 --> 00:47:50,953
uh if you're in the wrong group chats you're gonna you know get in some pretty bad places and so

594
00:47:50,953 --> 00:47:58,473
uh i think we've seen that happen that it seems like the uh the knots discord is kind of an outer

595
00:47:58,473 --> 00:48:06,093
space uh but or the blake to be or whatever you call it now this is like the the easiest

596
00:48:06,093 --> 00:48:11,513
dead name them you know just throwing it out there it's it i think it is pretty offensive

597
00:48:11,513 --> 00:48:16,693
if you dead name them so i think yeah i don't even think it's i recently learned you can't uh

598
00:48:16,693 --> 00:48:21,913
only they can call themselves bippers you can't like we can't call them bippers you know what i

599
00:48:21,913 --> 00:48:26,873
mean that that's at least what i was told i'm not sure if it's if it's correct or maybe that's just

600
00:48:26,873 --> 00:48:33,133
more kayfabe but you know i can say yeah i mean it's just to clarify it like if you're if you're

601
00:48:33,133 --> 00:48:34,693
in a pleb group chat,

602
00:48:35,193 --> 00:48:37,273
you might walk away

603
00:48:37,273 --> 00:48:38,953
thinking that, you know,

604
00:48:38,973 --> 00:48:41,453
the key to success in life

605
00:48:41,453 --> 00:48:42,773
is breaking your node

606
00:48:42,773 --> 00:48:45,133
and buying time chain peptides.

607
00:48:45,373 --> 00:48:46,273
And that's how,

608
00:48:46,393 --> 00:48:47,293
that's going to save you

609
00:48:47,293 --> 00:48:50,293
from the coming bond apocalypse

610
00:48:50,293 --> 00:48:50,913
or, you know,

611
00:48:50,953 --> 00:48:52,413
whatever the doomer boomers

612
00:48:52,413 --> 00:48:53,813
are spewing at the moment.

613
00:48:57,793 --> 00:48:58,693
The, you know,

614
00:48:59,113 --> 00:48:59,653
oh, go ahead.

615
00:48:59,753 --> 00:49:01,213
The secret to me is

616
00:49:01,213 --> 00:49:02,393
just,

617
00:49:02,393 --> 00:49:11,673
don't react figure out how to get a control of your reactions because a good example

618
00:49:11,673 --> 00:49:19,013
is the lindsey clancy kicks and it's very when you when you see the facts when you see the

619
00:49:19,013 --> 00:49:25,373
headlines it's very easy to get like emotionally involved in the story and then react to it and

620
00:49:25,373 --> 00:49:31,453
just crash out like lindsey clancy deserves to go to prison but for me it's just taking time

621
00:49:31,453 --> 00:49:37,833
not having a reaction and sitting back and thinking, why is why is everybody reacting to this?

622
00:49:37,973 --> 00:49:44,893
There are so many cases of craziness happening in this world. We're in World War three, like

623
00:49:44,893 --> 00:49:51,693
prices, bonds, everything's going haywire. Why is everybody so narrowly focused on this specific

624
00:49:51,693 --> 00:49:57,993
case? And what are their reactions? And just start to evaluate other people's reactions to

625
00:49:57,993 --> 00:50:03,993
the headlines to the kayfabe to the current trending thing and if you start to look at it

626
00:50:03,993 --> 00:50:09,193
through the lens of like what's the current thing and what are the reactions because it's usually

627
00:50:09,193 --> 00:50:13,213
about two you know there's two sides to almost every point what are the two reactions and then

628
00:50:13,213 --> 00:50:20,813
start to think about why and then and then actually pick apart and analyze what people's reactions are

629
00:50:20,813 --> 00:50:27,393
and you can start to see i wouldn't i don't want to say see the truth but you could start to get a

630
00:50:27,393 --> 00:50:33,513
better picture of what's going on just by studying people's reactions and studying what the algorithm

631
00:50:33,513 --> 00:50:39,933
or the platform or the media wants your reaction to be because the media is getting the reactions

632
00:50:39,933 --> 00:50:47,053
they want and who are done lindsey clancy case is a great uh case study here what are they doing

633
00:50:47,053 --> 00:50:55,013
in the after fact of the mistrial they're bringing on the least likable least sympathetic characters

634
00:50:55,013 --> 00:51:02,013
from that jury and they're just taking sound bites and placing it in your face like the this one

635
00:51:02,013 --> 00:51:07,653
juror this one juror he couldn't get over the fact that she murdered her children and he and they

636
00:51:07,653 --> 00:51:11,853
couldn't he couldn't he couldn't come to the right verdict well of course that's going to set people

637
00:51:11,853 --> 00:51:17,133
up that's what they're trying to do and then they they leaked it slowly after the fact that this

638
00:51:17,133 --> 00:51:23,293
juror the one holdout juror was a black guy and that so that throws a whole wrench into the entire

639
00:51:23,293 --> 00:51:29,753
perceived like i don't know in real life that right i don't know i mean like you know anybody

640
00:51:29,753 --> 00:51:34,293
in real life where it's like i know a lot of liberal people none of them are like lindsey

641
00:51:34,293 --> 00:51:38,593
clancy's innocent and i know a lot of conservative people none of them are like they're they're all

642
00:51:38,593 --> 00:51:42,693
kind of on the same page here that this is wrong you shouldn't kill your kids but in the media the

643
00:51:42,693 --> 00:51:51,093
reactions were very split and it was it was it was just crafted and and and made all the content

644
00:51:51,093 --> 00:51:56,313
that was put out was just perfectly crafted to get the right reactions and once you start to see

645
00:51:56,313 --> 00:52:11,489
that you like all right this is this is kayfabe this is this is the audience who likes the heel this is the audience who likes the face And like this is what they doing They they really amplifying their messaging to uh to get people to pick their sides

646
00:52:11,489 --> 00:52:12,489
and to disagree hard.

647
00:52:16,229 --> 00:52:25,189
It's interesting because I think that, I mean, social media has really enabled kayfabe at

648
00:52:25,189 --> 00:52:27,849
an incredible scale, right?

649
00:52:27,849 --> 00:52:34,269
and and the social proof that comes along with it the feeling of being you know in the in group

650
00:52:34,269 --> 00:52:39,729
rooting for the right uh the right team and and it's true your point about lindsey clancy it's

651
00:52:39,729 --> 00:52:46,649
like i i don't i mean i haven't asked everyone i know in the meat space but every bitcoin podcaster

652
00:52:46,649 --> 00:52:54,689
i know which is the real signal they think that it's bad to murder your kids um so i'm glad i'm

653
00:52:54,689 --> 00:52:58,749
glad to see that at least Bitcoin podcasters have put forward a very unified front on this

654
00:52:58,749 --> 00:53:04,289
where we're all saying, hey, that's a bad thing to do. You shouldn't do that. And you should be

655
00:53:04,289 --> 00:53:09,629
held accountable for that. Now, I can't speak to Genpop. You know, I can't speak to Genpop.

656
00:53:10,629 --> 00:53:15,869
We also have to remember, and I think this is something that's is not often talked about or not

657
00:53:15,869 --> 00:53:23,249
talked about enough, is that in my mind, who would be some of the biggest, the biggest perpetrators of

658
00:53:23,249 --> 00:53:28,449
really nefarious kayfabe. I'm not talking about good-natured, having some fun kayfabe. I'm talking

659
00:53:28,449 --> 00:53:34,409
about nefarious kayfabe. Well, that's the clinical psychopaths. Their whole lives, in fact,

660
00:53:35,169 --> 00:53:41,769
are necessarily kayfabe because they can never show empathy. They can never care. They have to,

661
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:46,349
necessarily, they must kayfabe. And I'm sure you guys have a tweet about psychopaths and kayfabe

662
00:53:46,349 --> 00:53:51,389
already. So just let me have this one for now. You can text me later in one of the group chats

663
00:53:51,389 --> 00:53:57,809
or something that we're definitely not in. But I mean, 1% of gen pop, like conservatively,

664
00:53:58,169 --> 00:54:03,369
is a clinical psychopath. We're not even talking like, don't even get me into the sociopaths.

665
00:54:03,429 --> 00:54:07,129
You know, they're much more low functioning. You got to watch out for the psychopaths because they

666
00:54:07,129 --> 00:54:13,989
are the masters of kayfabe, really. And I think it's not talked about enough how much of the kayfabe

667
00:54:13,989 --> 00:54:21,509
throughout society at a macro scale is caused by the micro kayfabe of the psychopaths of the

668
00:54:21,509 --> 00:54:26,629
clinical psychopaths and it's sort of a micro macro economic situation here but it's micro macro

669
00:54:26,629 --> 00:54:31,949
kayfabe driven by clinical psychopaths and i'd love to have you guys weigh in on that

670
00:54:31,949 --> 00:54:35,749
how deep have you gone down the psychopathic kayfabe rabbit hole

671
00:54:35,749 --> 00:54:43,029
well i mean it's one of the reasons why the average person is so disadvantaged is they don't

672
00:54:43,029 --> 00:54:52,069
understand or know how to, uh, just comprehend these types of individuals so that they could be

673
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:59,029
nefarious in that way. Uh, you, many of the things that, that some of these individuals do are,

674
00:54:59,029 --> 00:55:07,249
are things that, uh, you know, an average person has never even contemplated doing in their life.

675
00:55:07,249 --> 00:55:31,069
And so part of it is like, you know, you see the extent of damage in which this kayfabe can go into, how much destruction it can cause if you have any sort of historic understanding of the world in your reader of history.

676
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:42,009
And so, but many individuals aren't, they don't pay attention to it enough.

677
00:55:42,129 --> 00:55:51,409
And like, you know, when you listen to a Bitcoin book, for example, one thing like 85% of them

678
00:55:51,409 --> 00:55:56,269
do is they give you a history lesson on the history of money because understanding the

679
00:55:56,269 --> 00:55:57,629
context is important.

680
00:55:57,629 --> 00:56:12,029
And so if you're going to understand kayfabe, you know, part of it is understanding information and propaganda historically and things that, you know, psychopaths have done.

681
00:56:12,569 --> 00:56:15,769
Because the themes repeat pretty frequently.

682
00:56:16,449 --> 00:56:25,269
And, you know, there was a time in which the Catholic Church was like the center of global kayfabe.

683
00:56:27,629 --> 00:56:34,089
And they used all sorts of tactics around, you know, salvation and whatever to twist people's arms.

684
00:56:34,189 --> 00:56:37,969
They threatened them with eternal consequences for their actions.

685
00:56:39,509 --> 00:56:44,889
And, you know, the rules to the kayfabe change via technology.

686
00:56:44,889 --> 00:56:52,309
And we're in this technological revolution right now in which the rules of the kayfabe are readjusting.

687
00:56:52,309 --> 00:57:08,189
And so the psychopaths being the ones that are trying to retain power and control, like they are the most incentivized to be the most effective adopters of these changes in technology and trying to figure it out.

688
00:57:08,269 --> 00:57:27,506
But there also individuals that are facing the consequences of the previous rules and they are also trying to exit and escape it in one way or another And to bring it to a modern case like a good example

689
00:57:29,186 --> 00:57:34,146
is like the Charlie Kirk, the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination,

690
00:57:34,486 --> 00:57:35,366
which is about a year ago.

691
00:57:35,366 --> 00:57:45,246
so part of the part of the reason the kayfabe emerges it usually emerges from things that are

692
00:57:45,246 --> 00:57:52,806
high stakes but like generally in their natural state pretty boring like a

693
00:57:52,806 --> 00:58:04,666
an investigation of a murder like all the the process and the legal um just how that all works

694
00:58:04,666 --> 00:58:08,906
is like very boring they could they make tv shows on it but they have to dramatize and exaggerate it

695
00:58:08,906 --> 00:58:14,526
but in the in the in the wake of charlie kurtz assassination all this and this is another thing

696
00:58:14,526 --> 00:58:20,426
like nowadays all this attention and spotlight can be drawn to a single individual or a single

697
00:58:20,426 --> 00:58:29,286
instance very quickly and you have a very short window to to spin up kfade and monetize the

698
00:58:29,286 --> 00:58:36,566
situation while all the spotlight and publicity is on you and i don't know if erica kirk is a

699
00:58:36,566 --> 00:58:43,246
sociopath a lot of people do seem to think that but i and whether she is or not as soon as that

700
00:58:43,246 --> 00:58:51,086
happened the whole tp usa like there was so much money to be made off of the death of charlie kirk

701
00:58:51,086 --> 00:58:58,226
that outside consultants media reps all these sociopaths who are used to going from situation

702
00:58:58,226 --> 00:59:03,266
to situation spotlight to spotlight to monetize and take advantage of a situation like that

703
00:59:03,266 --> 00:59:10,626
descended upon her and we're like you gotta have stadiums full of fireworks and people and like

704
00:59:10,626 --> 00:59:15,566
there is you can have events you can have like you can just you can like i said fill stadiums

705
00:59:15,566 --> 00:59:22,466
you can do a tour around the country fill stadiums sell tickets sell merch sell all monetize charlie

706
00:59:22,466 --> 00:59:28,766
kirch's memory in the way there's just so much emotion so much passion behind this we have to

707
00:59:28,766 --> 00:59:36,446
make money on it and so whether it was erica kirk herself or all of the the demons that that uh

708
00:59:36,446 --> 00:59:43,606
that descended upon her to to create this kayfabe of tp usa in the wake of charlie's murder

709
00:59:43,606 --> 00:59:51,566
did this was a kayfabe manufactured by the socio psychopaths and you you look at like the deep state

710
00:59:51,566 --> 00:59:59,806
is what people call it um all these cia agents fbi agents the the agents of the state they

711
00:59:59,806 --> 01:00:06,046
what a lot of stereotypes that they're sociopaths a lot of stereotypes that they're closet closet gay

712
01:00:06,046 --> 01:00:14,786
because they've built this life that is um it's it's very they're not open about all parts of

713
01:00:14,786 --> 01:00:18,546
their life it's it's very with the word i can't think of what i'm looking for right now

714
01:00:18,546 --> 01:00:24,046
that they segmented off all these parts of themselves and they've got secret lives they've

715
01:00:24,046 --> 01:00:27,646
got secret families sometimes that's because they're ashamed of their lifestyle sometimes

716
01:00:27,646 --> 01:00:32,606
they're just trying to protect their family from being extorted by the chinese intelligence agencies

717
01:00:32,606 --> 01:00:39,146
or the the russian intelligence agencies but they've got these segmented lives and with that

718
01:00:39,146 --> 01:00:43,966
segmented lives you you're living a lie whether it's for a good reason or for not a good reason

719
01:00:43,966 --> 01:00:48,266
and you start to get very good

720
01:00:48,266 --> 01:00:51,226
and at noticing when other people are doing it

721
01:00:51,226 --> 01:00:52,826
and you start getting good at noticing

722
01:00:52,826 --> 01:00:54,506
when the other people are kayfabing

723
01:00:54,506 --> 01:00:56,146
and you get good at noticing

724
01:00:56,146 --> 01:00:58,606
when somebody else is doing a kayfabe

725
01:00:58,606 --> 01:01:00,306
and you can blackmail them

726
01:01:00,306 --> 01:01:02,926
that you'll break the entire performance

727
01:01:02,926 --> 01:01:04,766
that you'll expose what they're really doing

728
01:01:04,766 --> 01:01:05,906
if they don't, you know,

729
01:01:06,606 --> 01:01:08,066
go along with whatever it is

730
01:01:08,066 --> 01:01:09,586
that you want them to go along with.

731
01:01:10,066 --> 01:01:11,726
And so like the higher you get

732
01:01:11,726 --> 01:01:18,246
in the power structure of just the state or the international order or like, you know,

733
01:01:18,266 --> 01:01:27,966
all the way up to Epstein. I mean, the whole Epstein island, the whole Epstein aura is all,

734
01:01:27,966 --> 01:01:34,526
is all part of this kayfabe. And Epstein was exploiting the kayfabe in the state, in the,

735
01:01:34,526 --> 01:01:37,146
in the elites to get what he wanted.

736
01:01:37,646 --> 01:01:42,726
And so who rises to the top in these contexts?

737
01:01:43,366 --> 01:01:48,606
It's sociopaths who have absolutely no moral framework for how to act,

738
01:01:48,646 --> 01:01:51,526
how to treat people, or how to be a good person,

739
01:01:51,526 --> 01:01:57,726
who are just exploiting all these little leverage points in dishonesty

740
01:01:57,726 --> 01:02:02,546
or just performances that other people are doing to get what they want.

741
01:02:04,526 --> 01:02:11,846
I don't wanna give too much credit to sociopaths because psychopaths are just,

742
01:02:11,846 --> 01:02:14,646
they are a cut above, you know?

743
01:02:14,646 --> 01:02:18,806
Sociopaths do tend not to be quite as high functioning.

744
01:02:18,806 --> 01:02:23,526
Now, I'm not saying the sociopaths can't engage in kayfabe, but

745
01:02:23,526 --> 01:02:29,946
I do think that they are at a little bit of a disadvantage in terms of the efficacy of

746
01:02:29,982 --> 01:02:38,402
psychopath who was literally came out of their mother's you know womb born to kayfabe necessarily

747
01:02:38,402 --> 01:02:44,702
needed to kayfabe to survive and i think that that changes the paradigm a little bit when you

748
01:02:44,702 --> 01:02:53,202
when you can't feel empathy everything must be kayfabe right and so i i mean it's it's a you know

749
01:02:53,202 --> 01:02:57,742
you almost feel bad for them but then you remember they can't feel bad for you

750
01:02:57,742 --> 01:03:17,582
And that's really the crux of psychopathy, I think. There's a great book by an author named John Ronson called The Psychopath Test. It's a quick read. It's interesting. If anybody enjoys reading books, you can read this book if you want to.

751
01:03:17,582 --> 01:03:24,982
or don't go you know go read a nice bitcoin book or or a you know a book written by a bitcoin author

752
01:03:24,982 --> 01:03:33,922
that is fiction that is i mean you know that is its own form of kayfabe perhaps literary kayfabe

753
01:03:33,922 --> 01:03:40,302
go read the stolgard instinct by lynn alden or blood of the bourgeoisie by michael sullivan and

754
01:03:40,302 --> 01:03:44,822
if you can't spell bourgeoisie you're not allowed to read it that's i'm sorry but that's the rule

755
01:03:44,822 --> 01:03:51,002
So I did want to ask you guys, speaking of the bourgeoisie, and I didn't mean for that transition to actually be so perfect to set me up.

756
01:03:51,342 --> 01:04:01,122
But speaking of the bourgeoisie, how do you think kayfabe factors into the modern communists movement?

757
01:04:01,802 --> 01:04:12,222
Because it feels like they have to engage in some pretty strong kayfabe to make up for the 100 million plus deaths caused by their ideology over the last century.

758
01:04:12,222 --> 01:04:17,102
but it feels that they're not very good at the kayfabe do you know what i mean do you know what

759
01:04:17,102 --> 01:04:21,562
i'm getting at there i'd love for you guys to sort of to give me your analysis of this and

760
01:04:21,562 --> 01:04:25,542
maybe what they're doing right what's effective for the communists in terms of their kayfabe

761
01:04:25,542 --> 01:04:28,002
and what they're just really missing the mark on

762
01:04:28,002 --> 01:04:38,102
are you talking about like the democrat cratic socialists like people like mandami and also well

763
01:04:38,102 --> 01:04:41,682
I mean, and he is a communist, but yes, and also like full blown, like people who are like,

764
01:04:41,842 --> 01:04:48,702
I'm a communist, you know, which is, you know, I think something like 69% of university professors,

765
01:04:49,102 --> 01:04:53,662
uh, approximately, I don't know if the numbers, you know, off the top of my head, but I believe

766
01:04:53,662 --> 01:04:59,922
it's approximately 69% of university process professors identify as communist. Um, and I'm

767
01:04:59,922 --> 01:05:07,482
just curious if you think that the, the kayfabe of the commies will become effective enough to get,

768
01:05:07,482 --> 01:05:14,342
again for them to gain power because early 19th century, you know, or I should say 20th, you know,

769
01:05:14,542 --> 01:05:20,882
1900s, 20th century, Kayfabe, commie kayfabe was quite effective. I mean, it was quite effective.

770
01:05:21,662 --> 01:05:29,522
And it, it, it implemented communism the world over, then fell apart, of course, because communism

771
01:05:29,522 --> 01:05:37,042
doesn't work. But I'm curious if you think 21st century commie kayfabe will be able to have that

772
01:05:37,042 --> 01:05:42,902
same success will it be able to you know to hit to hit a new high high score in terms of death toll

773
01:05:42,902 --> 01:05:49,242
by getting what they want or is 21st century commie kayfabe just a little toothless if that

774
01:05:49,242 --> 01:05:55,542
makes sense i think they kind of have to reinvent themselves in their ideology in a lot of ways

775
01:05:55,542 --> 01:06:05,322
because you know historically uh when communism was being circulated there were much more autocratic

776
01:06:05,322 --> 01:06:11,922
systems of governance. And so from an optics perspective, individuals looking at it, you know,

777
01:06:11,922 --> 01:06:18,242
saw it as bringing power back to the people. But, you know, democracy is very similar

778
01:06:18,242 --> 01:06:27,062
type of ideology in which the optics are that the people are in control. And so, you know,

779
01:06:27,082 --> 01:06:32,802
when the average person, I think, is looking at, you know, politics wherever they are globally

780
01:06:32,802 --> 01:06:36,422
today and they see the massive corruption

781
01:06:36,422 --> 01:06:39,322
and that they have very little control over it.

782
01:06:40,122 --> 01:06:44,382
The ideology of bringing power,

783
01:06:44,562 --> 01:06:47,142
at least the optics and the messaging around

784
01:06:47,142 --> 01:06:49,302
bringing power back in the hands of the people,

785
01:06:49,382 --> 01:06:51,042
they're like, you know, people are retarded

786
01:06:51,042 --> 01:06:53,162
and they're just getting ran over by oligarchs in the system.

787
01:06:53,902 --> 01:06:56,162
And so communism, I don't think,

788
01:06:56,162 --> 01:07:01,322
is as attractive as more of an autocratic,

789
01:07:01,322 --> 01:07:11,082
uh type of ruling in which you know there's one individual that can consolidate power in order to

790
01:07:11,082 --> 01:07:20,142
root out um corruption like optically so you know the communists have to differentiate themselves

791
01:07:20,142 --> 01:07:30,722
from democracy in some ways why is it more of an attractive route than democracy when every single

792
01:07:30,722 --> 01:07:52,205
uh time it uh you know implemented at least it what people see it like all that that comes from it is our shit gets more expensive and life gets harder Because that what happening in all of these liberal cities And so you know what they got is well you can be gay

793
01:07:53,145 --> 01:07:56,705
Like, that's what we're offering you, is you can be gay.

794
01:07:58,605 --> 01:08:05,205
And like, you know, we won't throw you in jail as often for doing drugs or for stealing people's shit.

795
01:08:05,205 --> 01:08:15,885
Like, that's what they have offered, and I think they have to improve their offering in order to get individuals' attention.

796
01:08:16,965 --> 01:08:21,465
Less gayfabe, more kayfabe is what you're getting at, I think.

797
01:08:23,265 --> 01:08:23,565
Yeah.

798
01:08:24,285 --> 01:08:29,025
I've always been, you know, confused by, like, the socialist.

799
01:08:31,065 --> 01:08:33,285
They need to become more populist.

800
01:08:35,205 --> 01:08:41,585
um they're they're doing that they're slowly like you said it's basically in cities

801
01:08:41,585 --> 01:08:48,645
you talk about the professors like this is long a thing like this communist kayfabe by the

802
01:08:48,645 --> 01:08:55,925
professors well they don't there's no stakes it's it's similar to like when you've got ron paul or

803
01:08:55,925 --> 01:09:01,085
when you know like with the democrats have absolutely no control in the house the senate

804
01:09:01,085 --> 01:09:05,685
or the presidency, it's like, we stand for these policies that'll cost trillions of dollars.

805
01:09:05,785 --> 01:09:11,105
Nobody's ever going to vote for them. It's never actually going to happen. But because we have no

806
01:09:11,105 --> 01:09:17,725
ability to like, see this through and be accountable for the policies that we're promoting right now,

807
01:09:17,785 --> 01:09:20,645
like we're just going to offer you everything. Bernie Sanders, like we're going to offer you

808
01:09:20,645 --> 01:09:25,405
everything. Nobody's going to vote for this. So I can't push it through Congress, but I'm telling

809
01:09:25,405 --> 01:09:29,385
you, if you vote for me, you're going to get whatever you want. And the communist professors,

810
01:09:29,385 --> 01:09:34,625
of the same thing like they don't they're they're not in charge of a of a they're not even mayor of

811
01:09:34,625 --> 01:09:39,145
the town they're not they're not in politics they don't run businesses so it's like honiness in

812
01:09:39,145 --> 01:09:46,905
theory it works and we're just gonna kayfabe like this is like the best way to to govern society and

813
01:09:46,905 --> 01:09:51,145
and provide for everybody because they can't actually be proven wrong because they don't

814
01:09:51,145 --> 01:09:59,105
actually have control over anything but we're getting to a point where like even the elections

815
01:09:59,105 --> 01:10:00,325
are becoming kayfabe.

816
01:10:00,485 --> 01:10:03,485
Like, how many people in 2016 and 2024

817
01:10:03,485 --> 01:10:04,965
voted for Donald Trump,

818
01:10:05,025 --> 01:10:07,045
not because they expected him to follow through

819
01:10:07,045 --> 01:10:07,905
on any of his promises,

820
01:10:08,485 --> 01:10:09,965
but because they knew that the,

821
01:10:10,125 --> 01:10:13,425
what's the meme of the lady at the 2016,

822
01:10:14,505 --> 01:10:17,445
when Trump's taking office,

823
01:10:17,445 --> 01:10:18,425
and she's screaming,

824
01:10:18,885 --> 01:10:19,405
they made it,

825
01:10:19,545 --> 01:10:21,745
the Justin Bessler meme was made out of her,

826
01:10:21,865 --> 01:10:22,605
you know, yesterday.

827
01:10:23,045 --> 01:10:25,325
They're really just doing it to piss off their enemies.

828
01:10:26,085 --> 01:10:26,525
And like,

829
01:10:26,525 --> 01:10:34,825
the the communist cave baby is fake everybody kind of knows it's fake that everybody's playing along

830
01:10:34,825 --> 01:10:39,845
because it gets the right reaction out of people they hate and they get to be a part of it they get

831
01:10:39,845 --> 01:10:45,425
to be on the tv they get the dion libs of tiktok and they get to be the the main character for at

832
01:10:45,425 --> 01:10:51,565
least 15 minutes they get their 15 minutes of fame but at a certain point the performance gets real

833
01:10:51,565 --> 01:10:56,845
enough to matter and that point is not like it's not like you get an amber alert on your phone it's

834
01:10:56,845 --> 01:11:02,465
like listen if you vote for this person we're out really tomorrow like we're gonna have bread lines

835
01:11:02,465 --> 01:11:08,325
in a year it gets to the point where like mom donnie is a good example it would there was nobody

836
01:11:08,325 --> 01:11:13,585
who could have voted for mom donnie it was like so publicized that you knew what you're doing you

837
01:11:13,585 --> 01:11:20,205
knew this guy was a commie like had all these roots and radical beliefs and a lot of people in

838
01:11:20,205 --> 01:11:25,245
New York didn't necessarily, they weren't necessarily communist and not necessarily

839
01:11:25,245 --> 01:11:30,005
like they, maybe they own property or they like, I know people who are like big supporters

840
01:11:30,005 --> 01:11:32,925
of these really far left and they, they own real estate.

841
01:11:33,085 --> 01:11:33,885
They own homes.

842
01:11:34,025 --> 01:11:35,645
They're not actually communist.

843
01:11:35,885 --> 01:11:40,245
They are participating in the kayfabe with a lack of self-awareness.

844
01:11:40,385 --> 01:11:48,225
And by the time the reality hits and strikes that you may have made a huge mistake and

845
01:11:48,225 --> 01:12:00,365
And there's like all this momentum towards Marxist policy or Marxist ideology, like in your, whether it's your city, state, country or whatever, it's too late.

846
01:12:00,645 --> 01:12:01,545
You're stuck.

847
01:12:01,545 --> 01:12:08,685
And now you're, if you're a farmer, it's like you're giving up your farmland to a collective and everybody's going to starve and the famine is hitting.

848
01:12:08,685 --> 01:12:16,665
and it's you know i think a lot of people who are now critical of trump and they're realizing like

849
01:12:16,665 --> 01:12:21,705
all the mistakes foreign policy wise etc that we've kind of gotten into in the middle east it's

850
01:12:21,705 --> 01:12:30,005
like oh shit i probably should have realized that i was participating in this kayfabe and it was a

851
01:12:30,005 --> 01:12:35,245
little bit more high stakes than i realized and now i've got to pay five dollars at the gas pump

852
01:12:35,245 --> 01:12:36,745
or I'm not gonna be able to afford a house

853
01:12:36,745 --> 01:12:37,625
with these interest rates.

854
01:12:37,625 --> 01:12:39,945
There's nothing that Secretary Bissett can do

855
01:12:39,945 --> 01:12:42,125
to bring down the 30 year.

856
01:12:42,125 --> 01:12:44,245
But by this point, it's too late.

857
01:12:44,245 --> 01:12:45,925
And I think that on the communist side,

858
01:12:45,925 --> 01:12:47,805
it seems much more far-fetched.

859
01:12:47,805 --> 01:13:05,448
But if you let me New York City being ruled by communists I don think anybody saw had that on their bingo card five years ago I don think anybody saw it possible two years ago but here we are And I think that the the line between this is too far to oh shit what do we do now Um I think that

860
01:13:05,448 --> 01:13:12,788
comes at you fast. Life comes at you fast. Maybe that communist kayfabe is successful then.

861
01:13:13,028 --> 01:13:18,448
If they were able to enact something that none of us even outside the realm of possibility

862
01:13:18,448 --> 01:13:25,288
would have been thought of as, you know, a kayfabe too far, but they were able to make it happen.

863
01:13:26,168 --> 01:13:31,468
Perhaps they are more effective at it than we thought. And I think the other term for the kind

864
01:13:31,468 --> 01:13:37,128
of, let's say the landed gentry commies that you're describing is basically the champagne

865
01:13:37,128 --> 01:13:42,408
socialist, right? It's like, yeah, I'm living in my $2 million Upper West Side. I forget if Upper

866
01:13:42,408 --> 01:13:46,928
West Side's the good part. I don't know my New York stuff. Let's just say my $2 million Upper

867
01:13:46,928 --> 01:13:54,228
west side you know uh one and a half bedroom condo that that my parents gave me and i hate capitalism

868
01:13:54,228 --> 01:14:01,668
so much like that and you know i've worked for i've only worked for ngos my whole life uh that

869
01:14:01,668 --> 01:14:08,108
pay me an exorbitant salary for doing absolutely nothing i mean that's so much of our economy is

870
01:14:08,108 --> 01:14:15,888
sort of it's it's kayfabe economics really um it it just it's so obviously fake and i see this so

871
01:14:15,888 --> 01:14:24,128
much in the sort of the non-profit of the 501c3 the ngo space so much of it is just obviously

872
01:14:24,128 --> 01:14:29,868
so fake it's just it's just so fake and these exorbitant salaries meanwhile you know

873
01:14:29,868 --> 01:14:34,748
you you've got some you know poor stiff work working his ass off trying to have make an honest

874
01:14:34,748 --> 01:14:41,308
living and when he could just be engaging in you know non-profit kayfabe and and it sort of

875
01:14:41,308 --> 01:14:47,268
makes you wonder i hope that we don't see more people slipping towards this the nihilism the

876
01:14:47,268 --> 01:14:53,608
nihilism side of kayfabe because again i think i think kayfabe doesn't care right kayfabe doesn't

877
01:14:53,608 --> 01:15:01,408
care but all you can control is how you react to the kayfabe or what kayfabe you engage in yourself

878
01:15:01,408 --> 01:15:11,288
i just worry that there's so many that don't have enough hope that have been so beaten down

879
01:15:11,288 --> 01:15:18,028
by the kayfabe that they'll let the kayfabe win the negative kayfabe win again kayfabe itself is

880
01:15:18,028 --> 01:15:25,388
no positive or negative it just it simply is i i don't know do you think that do you think what

881
01:15:25,388 --> 01:15:30,508
track do you think we're on what do you guys think is the long-term result of sort of the

882
01:15:30,508 --> 01:15:38,588
infinite kayfabe game that we find ourselves playing right now well i my my short response

883
01:15:38,588 --> 01:15:39,928
this defrior that Richard is like,

884
01:15:39,988 --> 01:15:41,768
we already live in kayfabe capitalism.

885
01:15:42,228 --> 01:15:42,868
It's not,

886
01:15:43,408 --> 01:15:46,568
it's not a huge stretch to me to think that we could be,

887
01:15:47,308 --> 01:15:50,008
or at least parts of the United States could be living under kayfabe

888
01:15:50,008 --> 01:15:51,168
communism very soon.

889
01:15:54,268 --> 01:15:54,788
Yeah.

890
01:15:56,168 --> 01:15:57,328
I've got a few thoughts.

891
01:15:57,448 --> 01:16:02,128
So you think like determining the success or failure of somebody's kayfabe,

892
01:16:02,228 --> 01:16:06,608
I guess it depends what their actual goals are versus their stated goals.

893
01:16:06,608 --> 01:16:12,648
and um a lot of these groups i believe their their goals is to draw attention

894
01:16:12,648 --> 01:16:20,148
and brought people back into the kayfabe but you know part of uh what makes it captivating and why

895
01:16:20,148 --> 01:16:26,828
so many people pay attention to it is because it at times is novel the dynamics are changing

896
01:16:26,828 --> 01:16:34,548
and there's perceived stakes at risk.

897
01:16:34,548 --> 01:16:43,428
And, you know, I talked to a lot of people that explained why they supported President Trump.

898
01:16:43,868 --> 01:16:51,928
And many of them were so blatantly focused on all of these auxiliary kayfabe issues

899
01:16:51,928 --> 01:16:54,088
rather than, you know, fundamental issues.

900
01:16:54,088 --> 01:16:59,108
So, you know, they supported the president Trump because they wanted to say the words gay and retard.

901
01:16:59,268 --> 01:17:01,808
And they were hoping they were going to get their N-word privileges back.

902
01:17:02,068 --> 01:17:13,808
And like they didn't want to go into bathrooms, the men's bathrooms, and have, you know, things on the wall with free tampons on them.

903
01:17:13,808 --> 01:17:21,788
Like they, they, they wanted to be able to, um, go and shoot Tannerite and have a blow

904
01:17:21,788 --> 01:17:26,268
up being either blue or pink and not have to wait till kindergarten to get their, their

905
01:17:26,268 --> 01:17:27,848
child's gender assigned.

906
01:17:28,928 --> 01:17:35,348
And, um, and so we're, you know, we're watching a reshuffling of, of, of the KFA because that,

907
01:17:35,348 --> 01:17:41,408
that like saga has ended where we're going into like a new season of it.

908
01:17:41,408 --> 01:17:46,948
And, you know, part of captivating and keeping people interested is changing it.

909
01:17:46,988 --> 01:17:56,828
But like, you know, one of the most fascinating things to do is to go and watch South Park throughout all the seasons because it is a time capsule of American kayfabe.

910
01:17:57,948 --> 01:18:14,931
And you will go back and you will you know watch an older season and people are at each other throats debating whether you should teach you know evolution or creationism in schools And like that was the biggest kayfabe in America at one point

911
01:18:16,131 --> 01:18:16,611
And...

912
01:18:16,611 --> 01:18:18,931
Simple at times, you know?

913
01:18:25,931 --> 01:18:26,291
But...

914
01:18:26,291 --> 01:18:28,411
I think we already see kayfabe communism.

915
01:18:30,091 --> 01:18:30,911
In some places.

916
01:18:30,911 --> 01:18:31,011
Shit.

917
01:18:32,491 --> 01:18:39,951
rod do you have uh do you have any final thoughts on this i've kept you both a little bit long

918
01:18:39,951 --> 01:18:48,891
i appreciate the uh the these you know these sessions here these maybe maybe it'll have to

919
01:18:48,891 --> 01:18:57,351
be a whole series um we can we can charge you know 799 for it even refuse to accept bitcoin

920
01:18:57,351 --> 01:19:02,411
make a whole legitimate kayfabe university could be quite interesting.

921
01:19:03,111 --> 01:19:05,091
But maybe I'll give you both a chance.

922
01:19:05,171 --> 01:19:12,611
If you have any final thoughts, perhaps even a white pill of sorts.

923
01:19:12,911 --> 01:19:17,691
I think a little bit of optimism does help the kayfabe go down.

924
01:19:17,691 --> 01:19:21,811
the

925
01:19:21,811 --> 01:19:25,111
like some of the turbulence

926
01:19:25,111 --> 01:19:27,331
that we're going to go through and the

927
01:19:27,331 --> 01:19:29,431
K-Fabe has not reached its peak yet

928
01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:29,851
but

929
01:19:29,851 --> 01:19:32,751
it's going to

930
01:19:32,751 --> 01:19:35,191
end with

931
01:19:35,191 --> 01:19:36,011
like a

932
01:19:36,011 --> 01:19:39,671
generational like transition

933
01:19:39,671 --> 01:19:41,411
right now all the

934
01:19:41,411 --> 01:19:43,791
people I mean they're scooting in

935
01:19:43,791 --> 01:19:45,811
a chemically

936
01:19:45,811 --> 01:19:46,271
like

937
01:19:46,271 --> 01:19:50,711
alive like mitch mcconnell's only alive because they're injecting him with like

938
01:19:50,711 --> 01:19:56,951
whatever they were giving biden before he would do debates in the 2024 election right they're giving

939
01:19:56,951 --> 01:20:00,431
mcconnell they're keeping him alive with time-chained peptides and they've done this before

940
01:20:00,431 --> 01:20:07,191
they're wheeling in these ancient basically dead politicians to come vote for the clarity act or

941
01:20:07,191 --> 01:20:13,271
come vote for whatever it is that this is going to end i think the millennials heroes journey

942
01:20:13,271 --> 01:20:19,591
has to be like coming out of their shell and not being worried about offending people or being

943
01:20:19,591 --> 01:20:25,331
offended um and i don't know if they're going to be able to do it but like they kind of have to if

944
01:20:25,331 --> 01:20:30,431
they want to survive maybe they're going to need the help of the zoomers to help them control the

945
01:20:30,431 --> 01:20:37,951
kayfabe so that it's it's uh it smooths over the reactions of everybody i think that once the

946
01:20:37,951 --> 01:20:44,591
the younger generations start to gain control a lot of the policies a lot of just the way the

947
01:20:44,591 --> 01:20:51,231
world works will be kind of more in line or aligned with how the people who have the biggest

948
01:20:51,231 --> 01:20:58,971
stake in the future uh need it to be aligned so it's like the hypocrisy and the cognitive

949
01:20:58,971 --> 01:21:05,231
dissonance will slow down to a great extent and a lot like he said earlier like being real and

950
01:21:05,231 --> 01:21:13,371
like not be in being authentic will be much more highly valued over the obvious

951
01:21:13,371 --> 01:21:19,711
a-fabe performance i think a lot of people will lose the novelty of like the kayfabe we see on

952
01:21:19,711 --> 01:21:24,611
the timeline the stuff that just gets people's reactions is provocative is able to go viral i

953
01:21:24,611 --> 01:21:29,511
think that'll start to die down as people get used to this nonsense over and over and they get tired

954
01:21:29,511 --> 01:21:34,771
of it and they will start to value authentic expression authentic communication and authentic

955
01:21:34,771 --> 01:21:42,611
interactions with other people and to the extent that they have a healthier relationship with their

956
01:21:42,611 --> 01:21:48,271
devices and being online and not keep scrolling all the time i think that'll improve society i

957
01:21:48,271 --> 01:21:53,791
think we have to i think that we're the kayfabe is going to get worse before it gets better

958
01:21:53,791 --> 01:22:00,591
but it's not permanent it's going to improve i don't know when i'm not predicting when but it

959
01:22:00,591 --> 01:22:05,451
not it's not going to be too terribly want and if you live in a place like san francisco new york

960
01:22:05,451 --> 01:22:11,331
city it's the kayfabs are probably going to get a lot harder to the consequences of it anyway are

961
01:22:11,331 --> 01:22:17,511
going to be a lot harder to avoid um but i think one of the best ways to avoid kayfabe is just

962
01:22:17,511 --> 01:22:23,311
turn your phone off and just live your life uh because most of the kayfabe in real life

963
01:22:23,311 --> 01:22:29,571
unless there's cameras everywhere it's not really or it's like a huge rally and you can avoid it um

964
01:22:29,571 --> 01:22:39,331
So I think the white pill here is you are in control of your own dayfabe and you're also in control of like whether or not you're in most other people's.

965
01:22:39,551 --> 01:22:43,911
So just if you don't like it, just have a little discipline, turn your damn phone off.

966
01:22:44,151 --> 01:22:44,491
That's it.

967
01:22:44,611 --> 01:22:45,151
It's like I got to do.

968
01:22:47,831 --> 01:22:51,131
Yeah, a lot of people benefit from just putting themselves on timeout.

969
01:22:51,131 --> 01:23:00,251
But, you know, part of why, you know, we've used the word plebslop to try and

970
01:23:00,251 --> 01:23:04,871
describe a lot of this kayfabe that's happening right now that's very dumbed

971
01:23:04,871 --> 01:23:08,851
down and, you know, part of the reason why plebslop has appeared to run its

972
01:23:08,851 --> 01:23:16,891
course and people are looking more for, you know, thoughtful content is because

973
01:23:18,251 --> 01:23:19,951
it's formulaic.

974
01:23:19,993 --> 01:23:26,513
Individuals see patterns and the pattern becomes apparent to them.

975
01:23:26,613 --> 01:23:27,513
It's no longer novel.

976
01:23:27,673 --> 01:23:28,773
It's no longer interesting.

977
01:23:30,293 --> 01:23:47,533
And I think that is why as an individual interacting with the disbursement of information is important to try and find new ways to be novel and not just, you know, jumping on whatever the trend is and getting married to it.

978
01:23:47,533 --> 01:23:53,213
There has to be a constant reinvention of yourself.

979
01:23:56,953 --> 01:24:00,373
Well, guys, I'd just like to say this was a pleasure.

980
01:24:01,693 --> 01:24:08,353
Whenever I get the chance to sit down with journalists who really care, it's a treat.

981
01:24:08,813 --> 01:24:09,853
So I'd like to thank you both.

982
01:24:09,913 --> 01:24:11,753
I'd like to thank you for the work that you do.

983
01:24:11,753 --> 01:24:18,813
and because i think that you know when while while we all of course engage in kayfabe in one form or

984
01:24:18,813 --> 01:24:25,693
another you can choose for that kayfabe to be virtuous i think you can have you can have moral

985
01:24:25,693 --> 01:24:32,993
kayfabe and i think that's what you guys engage in when you engage in it at all and so i'd like

986
01:24:32,993 --> 01:24:37,013
to thank you for that for having the principles to stand up for the kayfabe that you know

987
01:24:37,013 --> 01:24:40,053
is right and just and true.

988
01:24:40,713 --> 01:24:42,113
And I think we need more journalists

989
01:24:42,113 --> 01:24:44,273
who are willing to do just that.

990
01:24:45,293 --> 01:24:45,473
You know?

991
01:24:45,793 --> 01:24:48,353
He the K-Fade you wish to see in the world.

992
01:24:49,913 --> 01:24:50,193
Amen.

993
01:24:51,233 --> 01:24:53,713
Where would you guys like to send people?

994
01:24:54,033 --> 01:24:57,353
I know you've got a very, very nice following

995
01:24:57,353 --> 01:24:58,653
on Fountain specifically.

996
01:24:59,033 --> 01:25:00,333
Fountain also, shout out to those guys.

997
01:25:00,773 --> 01:25:03,413
They've had video on Fountain for a while now.

998
01:25:03,413 --> 01:25:10,613
um so you can you can go and watch if you if you like to watch things on youtube but you don't like

999
01:25:10,613 --> 01:25:17,453
to pay for youtube premium you can go watch for instance the bitcoin podcast on fountain.fm and

1000
01:25:17,453 --> 01:25:22,973
you don't have to deal with you know the ads that come when you're a pleb who's not paying for youtube

1001
01:25:22,973 --> 01:25:27,873
premium so just you know throwing that out there shout out to the fountain guys not sponsored by

1002
01:25:27,873 --> 01:25:32,273
them just really enjoy the work they're doing i like the cut of their jibs you know they've got

1003
01:25:32,273 --> 01:25:45,799
good real nice jibs attack well uh but where where can people find you guys what are you guys working on what what next there also we didn even get into into the whole music side of the business All the different artists you guys have brought on recently

1004
01:25:46,759 --> 01:25:50,819
The team seems to be expanding at a rapid pace.

1005
01:25:52,179 --> 01:25:52,379
Yeah.

1006
01:25:52,759 --> 01:25:56,939
Yeah, you can find most of our stuff at Bitcoin underscore Bugle on X.

1007
01:25:57,319 --> 01:25:58,299
We're on Nostra.

1008
01:25:58,299 --> 01:26:00,119
I don't use Nostra that much anymore.

1009
01:26:00,599 --> 01:26:02,499
The UX has to improve a bit here.

1010
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:04,299
I won't trash them too hard right now.

1011
01:26:04,299 --> 01:26:07,379
we got our podcast like you said it's on

1012
01:26:07,379 --> 01:26:09,579
Fountain we're going to continue doing that

1013
01:26:09,579 --> 01:26:11,139
I have

1014
01:26:11,139 --> 01:26:12,499
a new show

1015
01:26:12,499 --> 01:26:15,399
just Rod Palmer that's coming

1016
01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:17,259
out that's going to be part of the larger

1017
01:26:17,259 --> 01:26:19,439
Bugleverse coincidentally

1018
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,219
will be titled pardon my

1019
01:26:21,219 --> 01:26:23,479
kayfabe and I will kind of

1020
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,339
I continue

1021
01:26:25,339 --> 01:26:27,359
to elucidate on the

1022
01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:29,099
kayfabe in the world and

1023
01:26:29,099 --> 01:26:31,219
that we're trying to navigate so you'll

1024
01:26:31,219 --> 01:26:33,519
be able to see that I don't

1025
01:26:33,519 --> 01:26:34,939
have a premiere yet.

1026
01:26:35,299 --> 01:26:36,859
Expect it sometime in October,

1027
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:39,419
which is a great month for

1028
01:26:39,419 --> 01:26:41,199
K-Fabe. But yeah,

1029
01:26:41,519 --> 01:26:43,139
and like you said, we got music,

1030
01:26:43,639 --> 01:26:45,659
we got podcasts, we've got

1031
01:26:45,659 --> 01:26:47,199
journalism, we've got it all.

1032
01:26:48,259 --> 01:26:49,459
But for the

1033
01:26:49,459 --> 01:26:51,459
most part, you can either find it at, or

1034
01:26:51,459 --> 01:26:53,539
get acquainted with it

1035
01:26:53,539 --> 01:26:55,519
at Bitcoin underscore Google on X

1036
01:26:55,519 --> 01:26:57,719
or at Rod Palmer

1037
01:26:57,719 --> 01:26:58,419
on X.

1038
01:26:58,739 --> 01:27:00,859
All one word on X.

1039
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:03,239
Dick.

1040
01:27:03,519 --> 01:27:05,659
um

1041
01:27:05,659 --> 01:27:09,099
where did I

1042
01:27:09,099 --> 01:27:10,299
send people

1043
01:27:10,299 --> 01:27:12,539
I just got back from the

1044
01:27:12,539 --> 01:27:14,859
Scardust American tour

1045
01:27:14,859 --> 01:27:16,339
I was on tour with them

1046
01:27:16,339 --> 01:27:17,579
so I am

1047
01:27:17,579 --> 01:27:20,199
I think I got back yesterday so I am

1048
01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:23,439
working on a series

1049
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,639
that I'm going to be talking about that experience

1050
01:27:25,639 --> 01:27:27,339
and

1051
01:27:27,339 --> 01:27:29,419
that'll be posted on Fountain

1052
01:27:29,419 --> 01:27:30,979
at some point

1053
01:27:30,979 --> 01:27:33,199
but yeah

1054
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:36,979
Yeah, they've been putting a lot of work into the Beagle News YouTube channel.

1055
01:27:38,059 --> 01:27:39,499
So check that out.

1056
01:27:40,039 --> 01:27:43,199
That's a good place to see some of the content that I've been working on recently.

1057
01:27:44,799 --> 01:27:50,039
Can they also find it at like youtube.com slash Bitcoin underscore Beagle?

1058
01:27:54,099 --> 01:27:55,999
I'll link it in the show notes.

1059
01:27:56,139 --> 01:27:57,839
If not, I'm searching it right now.

1060
01:27:58,319 --> 01:28:10,265
Make sure I get the right one Just want to make sure it is Let see YouTube forward slash at the Bitcoin bugle I always forget they need you to put the ad in there

1061
01:28:10,485 --> 01:28:12,605
And I'm, I'm of course subscribed.

1062
01:28:13,145 --> 01:28:15,505
I would recommend everyone subscribe.

1063
01:28:15,505 --> 01:28:22,625
And you guys are sort of spreading the, the K-fabe on Instagram as well,

1064
01:28:22,745 --> 01:28:26,905
which I feel like is an underserved market for Bitcoin journalists.

1065
01:28:26,905 --> 01:28:29,845
and we were going to have to do another show,

1066
01:28:29,925 --> 01:28:31,005
maybe a Bitcoin after dark.

1067
01:28:31,985 --> 01:28:33,525
But we've been pretty buttoned up today.

1068
01:28:34,105 --> 01:28:35,585
Not, you know, even I, look,

1069
01:28:35,825 --> 01:28:36,725
I don't know if you noticed this,

1070
01:28:36,805 --> 01:28:39,285
but there's only, I only have two more buttons to go.

1071
01:28:39,365 --> 01:28:41,125
So I've literally been quite buttoned up

1072
01:28:41,125 --> 01:28:43,345
because I wanted it to just influence how I,

1073
01:28:43,345 --> 01:28:44,445
you know, how I spoke.

1074
01:28:44,625 --> 01:28:47,225
And it often does, the more buttons that go down,

1075
01:28:47,745 --> 01:28:49,125
the more loosey-goosey I get.

1076
01:28:49,545 --> 01:28:50,545
But we might have to do another one

1077
01:28:50,545 --> 01:28:52,145
that's a little bit more, you know,

1078
01:28:52,225 --> 01:28:53,505
a little bit more free-flowing,

1079
01:28:53,745 --> 01:28:56,745
not so, you know, where we all take off our journalist hats.

1080
01:28:56,905 --> 01:29:02,905
for a second and just be just be regular just be regular people but you guys are out there

1081
01:29:02,905 --> 01:29:06,425
on instagram as well putting out putting out great content people should check you out on

1082
01:29:06,425 --> 01:29:12,665
their same same handles if i'm not mistaken or similar i think it's just richard greaser

1083
01:29:13,305 --> 01:29:19,305
like i'm the only one on instagram yeah i tried to be on instagram but i always get i hope the

1084
01:29:19,305 --> 01:29:26,585
instagram always kicks me off the platform so i quit trying yeah i you know i thought zuckerberg

1085
01:29:26,585 --> 01:29:32,965
was was getting more based just because he liked smoking meats which is one of my favorite videos

1086
01:29:32,965 --> 01:29:39,905
also if you can if you search meat on uh on my x account you should well yeah you should find that

1087
01:29:39,905 --> 01:29:45,765
um so if you want to look at mark zuckerberg talking about smoking meats do so but then it'll

1088
01:29:45,765 --> 01:29:50,105
also be disappointing because you'll realize maybe he's not just a regular meat smoking guy

1089
01:29:50,105 --> 01:29:55,765
like the rest of us you know and i mean that's his kayfabe right and i have to respect that

1090
01:29:55,765 --> 01:30:03,445
But if there's anything this conversation has taught me, it's that, you know, you can sort of identify with whatever kayfabe you want.

1091
01:30:04,005 --> 01:30:06,065
You know, nobody can stop you from doing that.

1092
01:30:06,205 --> 01:30:09,785
But at the end of the day, you also have to live with your kayfabe.

1093
01:30:10,585 --> 01:30:16,245
And you have to be able to explain to your children and your children's children the sort of kayfabe you are engaged in.

1094
01:30:16,325 --> 01:30:18,825
What stories do you want to tell them about your kayfabe?

1095
01:30:18,825 --> 01:30:31,711
You know when you a daughter I say you can do whatever you want in the kayfabe It all fake There not there no limits But at the end of the day you want to be proud of your kayfabe

1096
01:30:31,790 --> 01:30:35,831
And as long as you're proud of your kayfabe, it was probably the right choice.

1097
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:38,410
I say amen to that.

1098
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:40,970
This has been kayfabe university.

1099
01:30:42,410 --> 01:30:42,950
Thank you.

1100
01:30:43,010 --> 01:30:48,390
Make sure to please do not like or follow or subscribe or do any of that.

1101
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:49,831
unless you really feel like it,

1102
01:30:49,890 --> 01:30:52,470
I'm not going to kayfabe you into thinking that you need to,

1103
01:30:52,650 --> 01:30:53,870
or thinking that your support,

1104
01:30:54,490 --> 01:30:56,630
I actually, I'm honest, your support does mean a lot,

1105
01:30:56,730 --> 01:30:58,790
but you don't need to follow or like or subscribe

1106
01:30:58,790 --> 01:31:00,711
for me to know that your support is there.

1107
01:31:01,190 --> 01:31:02,930
I can feel it, can feel the vibe.

1108
01:31:03,551 --> 01:31:05,570
So that's all that's needed for me is just,

1109
01:31:05,831 --> 01:31:06,950
if you're listening to this right now

1110
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:09,290
and you said this was a good episode and I enjoyed it,

1111
01:31:09,670 --> 01:31:12,310
just speak out, just by yourself in the room,

1112
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:14,030
just say, hey, thanks.

1113
01:31:14,650 --> 01:31:15,670
It'll find its way to me.

1114
01:31:15,670 --> 01:31:21,470
dick rod appreciate you both thank you for the incredible work that you do thank you to all of

1115
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:26,730
us in the audience uh all of you in the audience i think maybe the noster will allow me to stream

1116
01:31:26,730 --> 01:31:30,771
again on there soon but until then we've been broadcasting this on x and with ben justman

1117
01:31:30,771 --> 01:31:38,150
yesterday bitcoin winemaker extraordinaire bear fighter uh so yeah thank you guys appreciate it

1118
01:31:38,150 --> 01:31:40,510
and uh keep up the great kayfabe

1119
01:31:45,670 --> 01:31:50,490
And that's a wrap on this Bitcoin Talk episode of The Bitcoin Podcast.

1120
01:31:51,151 --> 01:31:55,091
Remember to subscribe to this podcast wherever you're watching or listening,

1121
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:59,390
and share it with your friends, family, and strangers on the internet.

1122
01:31:59,390 --> 01:32:06,091
Find me on Noster at primal.net slash walker and this podcast at primal.net slash titcoin.

1123
01:32:06,690 --> 01:32:09,971
On X, YouTube, and Rumble, just search at Walker America.

1124
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:14,810
And find this podcast on X and Instagram at titcoinpodcast.

1125
01:32:14,810 --> 01:32:26,110
Head to the show notes to grab sponsor links, head to substack.com slash at Walker America to get episodes emailed to you and head to Bitcoin podcast dot net for everything else.

1126
01:32:26,651 --> 01:32:30,190
Bitcoin is scarce, but podcasts are abundant.

1127
01:32:30,711 --> 01:32:35,810
So thank you for spending your scarce time listening to the Bitcoin podcast.

1128
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:38,870
Until next time, stay free.

1129
01:32:44,810 --> 01:32:45,810
Thank you.