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If you go on Twitter today, you will see a lot of people yelling about different things.

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And most of them are solutions to problems that do not exist.

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A lot of the development that I've seen come out of African nations

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are solutions to problems I didn't know exist.

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And that's the key difference.

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I challenge everyone listening like just in every aspect, but Bitcoin too,

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like change your viewpoint, get out of your bubble,

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try to experience what other people are experiencing and see why they do what they do.

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Greetings and salutations, my fellow plebs.

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My name is Walker, and this is the Bitcoin podcast.

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The Bitcoin block height is 832015.

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And the value of one Bitcoin is still one Bitcoin.

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Today's episode is Bitcoin talk, where I talk with my guest about Bitcoin and whatever else comes up.

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Today, that guest is Tatum Turnup.

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Tatum is a Bitcoin entertainer hosting the hilarious show between two A6.

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But he's also a Bitcoin miner and educator.

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So our conversation ranges all over the place.

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We had a lot of fun with it, and I think you'll really enjoy this conversation.

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You can find all of Tatum's links in the show notes.

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I highly recommend you give him a follow on Noster, Twitter and YouTube.

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A quick public service announcement before we get going,

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because the Bitcoin halving is less than 8000 blocks away.

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So now is a great time to get your Bitcoin off exchanges and into your own self-custody.

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Head to bitbox.swiss.

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not only do you get 5% off, but you also help support another fucking Bitcoin podcast.

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This one. So thank you.

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As always, you can watch the video version of this show on rumble, YouTube or X by searching at Walker America

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or creating a clip of something you found valuable.

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hit me up on social media or through the website, Bitcoin podcast.net.

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Without further ado, let's get into this Bitcoin talk with Tatum turnip.

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It's real now. We're doing it live. Hey, what's up?

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I'm going to drink on your behalf. Just so you know, I appreciate that.

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It's a once I get off work, I'm going to delete several beers.

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I like that deleting beers. Yeah, I usually just drink them, but I guess it kind of deleting them from existence is also a fair characterization.

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Yeah, it's a maybe it's been a week, but it's Friday.

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I'm living life. I'm living large, large in charge.

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Imagine being like a part of like any aristocracy back in the day where like,

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like what like at what point was the term weekend invented?

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You know, because like if you didn't actually work, if you're a member of the landed gentry or whatever they call them over in the UK,

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like that's just I mean, it's just you're just living all the time.

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Is role in the I. Yeah. Yeah. Must have been nice.

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I've always I've always had issues with the calendar.

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Think it's stupid and time in general. I'm at UTC maxi.

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I like time zones like the fact that if we just went on a lunar calendar,

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we wouldn't have to have fucking February with its stupid 28 or 29 days.

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Like I I understand that since it and agree.

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However, I do celebrate Leap Day every four years because it's one of those things

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and only comes around before you same thing with the Olympics, you know, it's it's.

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But honestly, there should be more fanfare with Leap Day.

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Like it should be the same as the Olympics, basically.

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Yeah, I mean, like.

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Why are we not having Leap Day grades?

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I know what I'm going to do next four years and four years because don't have time to plan now.

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But I promise you, dude, I want to make it.

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I want to have a conference like I want to make my own Bitcoin conference

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and I want to make sure that it lines up on Leap Year on Leap Day.

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And then it's only going to be an every four year conference to so let's see 24 28.

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Wait a minute, so leap years also coincide with having because we have a leap year this year, right?

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Like this we have 29 days.

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Way whoa.

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Did we just discover is this another?

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Is this a purposeful Satoshi thing?

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Or are we just ascribing some meaning to it that does not exist?

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Oh, man, dude, I've been having some fun with the Satoshi emails.

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I've been in the lab.

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Playing with HTML on Bitcoin talk dot org.

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And like I think you saw the picture where I said that he's online.

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I've had so many people is this real?

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Like you idiot, you can go.

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Oh, my don't just verify for like us for a solid like three milliseconds.

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I was like what?

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And then I was like, oh, wait, no, obviously, obviously not.

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Also, look at his posting it to exactly like, dude,

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that's the same with this this whole Dick Cuckerson thing, which I give you followed Carla and I for a while.

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Like you would recognize him as a recurring character who works at douche bunk.

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But it is it's honestly a little bit worrisome.

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How many bit coiners like really thought it was dead?

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Seriously, you guys, I'm not even trying to make the profile picture that different.

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Like it's it's that's the thing.

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I was like, I've seen I saw bit coiners under some of your posts.

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I'm like they're like fighting and arguing you with you.

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And I'm like, can you not see that that's Walker?

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Like that that literally is just him earlier on with longer hair.

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Like, dude, the fucking funniest part.

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People would be like, God, that guy's just got a fucking punchable face.

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Like wouldn't let him around my kids like all this stuff like looks like a fucking

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Pato or Pito or whatever.

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If you're from the UK, you say it weird.

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And I'm just like, oh, well, that's just that.

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OK, well, now you're not attacking Dick Cuckers in your attacking Walker.

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That's just my face.

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So that's a little bit a little bit hurtful.

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But honestly, like we need I was inspired by one of my all time

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favorite journalists, Bob Malacca's, because he's doing great.

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You know, this real real great journalism.

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He's doing with the best of them.

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And so I figured, well, you know what, why not create a character?

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And of course, Carla's first reaction was like, do you really need another Twitter account?

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And I was like, yes.

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So that I have too many now, though.

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That's the problem.

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I say quick question.

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You hold down the home tab on Twitter.

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How many pop up?

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How many how many counts pop up?

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Fuck man, a lot.

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There's a lot.

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Do you have to scroll?

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Do you have to scroll?

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I think so.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Oh my God.

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Walker.

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Well, OK, to be fair, like there's there's Walker America there.

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We still have the BTC couple, Carla and I, from when we were like trying to run

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more less sarcastic and, you know, humorous side of things, but like that just

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was too much work.

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Right.

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And then there's well, now there's Dick Cuckerson.

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There's the Nostrich.

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He's up there.

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I forgot about Nostrich.

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Yeah.

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I forgot.

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And why times up stop the presses.

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That was one of the best campaigns ever.

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Like the the rollout was perfect.

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It had insane traction.

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It like props.

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I don't think I've ever given you proper props.

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Like that was awesome.

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And I was like, I know that guy.

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So yeah, I mean, you were you had normies, dude.

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You had people who never didn't know all the everything going on.

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And I was like, it's happening.

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There was a period of time where I was like, I got to take this movement

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to Washington.

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Like I've got to I've got to get up there in the capital and speak to this.

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Give me a picket sign.

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I mean, it was honestly that was another one where it was it was pretty amazing.

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Like, I mean, good satire should be basically indistinguishable from just absurd reality.

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And that's the thing like now it is genuinely so hard to tell.

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But I feel like that stopped the presses thing with something where people were

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like, oh, yeah, wait, it is kind of fucked that we just kill all these trees to

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print newspapers that, you know, nobody really reads anyway.

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Like why are we doing your delivery?

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Your delivery was always so good because it was like.

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It was snarky.

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Basically, it wasn't like a let me refute your point.

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It was like, oh, yeah, good point.

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This is the standard like it was basically like a punch in the nuts.

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Like, oh, damn, he did get us like, you know, for about probably 30 to 40

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percent of those tweets, I would just exactly copy pasta, a change the code

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tweet and just swap stuff out because I was like, you know, just to again

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illustrate that these are really loose arguments that can be interchangeable

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like with any industry.

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So that honestly, that made the content creation a little bit easier,

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but that's the problem.

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Tatum is just time is scarce and, you know, it turns out I it is tough being

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a one man, a bot farm, you know, not really bots.

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I guess they're.

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Oh, I'm logging this account like, yeah, those when you look at discount

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like repose.

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I saw I I love Bitcoin bugle like I actually do a great job.

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I did not know of also the career Bitcoin bugle is also named Dick, Dick

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Greaser, but I did not know they existed until someone sent me an article

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about Orange Pill app as a dating app or something like that.

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And I was like, why are you sending me this?

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And I was looking through it and saw it said, host of between two a six

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chaining Tatum says I'm on the app and forklift certified, but still single.

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I don't get it.

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And I was like, that's me and I met him in Vegas and I was like, so

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you're the one that wrote change Tatum forklift certified.

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He's like, yep, that was me.

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My dog dude.

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It's fantastic.

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I honestly think like that first of all, like I enjoy satire very much.

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I think if you don't, if you don't enjoy satire, either you don't get it,

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which is fine, you know, it's sometimes goes above people's heads or you

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just hate fun and like everything is so fucking serious these days.

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Yeah.

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Even when I mean, even when I post like tweets that are mostly serious,

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I honestly just like to like everything I try to do is a little bit

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tinted with satire.

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Like I am not actually a person who likes to say, you know, breaking news,

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but it's like, God damn it.

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Everybody loves to put breaking in front of everything, even as they're tweeting

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something from like two years ago and it's like, this isn't breaking at all.

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So let's just fucking put breaking in front of all that breaking his church

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changed meetings from this happened just now to I want you to engage with this post.

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And yeah, like I capitalize on that all the time and say like, I'll put all caps

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breaking and then put the most random, not even like news or anything like that.

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Like breaking.

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I have to take a shit or something like that.

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It's just fine.

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Like breaking.

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At least there's stupidity.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Like, but again, a little dark, but like a couple days ago on Nostar,

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someone posted about like men sometimes just need a bro to talk to and stuff.

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And it was starting to talk about like men's mental health and I responded

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to Hodel on something and I was like, how do I put it really well?

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He just said like all these things that are fucking hard.

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And I was like, men's mental health matters.

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I went to town, suicide survivor.

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I was like, dude, this is really dark.

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I got a lightened up.

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And so I said in parentheses, I know, right?

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How did I fail twice?

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I'm really bad.

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Oh my God.

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And I was and Derek was like, I don't know how to react to this,

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but I'm glad you're here.

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It was like, thanks, man.

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I first of all, I have not seen that note of yours.

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I'll have to go and check that out so that I can also feel uncomfortable

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about how to react.

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But as long as I get the point across.

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Yeah, there we go.

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No, I also that's something that's kind of wonderful about Nostar, right?

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Is that you feel it is like all jokes aside, it is genuinely a space

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where you can feel more comfortable just like letting out an inner monologue,

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which is kind of nice.

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Like, I don't know how long it's going to stay that way.

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That's one thing that I'm like, hmm, I've given that thought like I've

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I've thought about it.

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There is a I've made a post about it at some point.

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I really hope that is backed up on a real later.

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So I really hope all my stuff is backed up because my relay that I my

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personal backup relay kind of shit the bed a little bit.

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But it said something like this profile is finite.

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Like it there is going to be an end to it.

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I don't know what is going to be that trigger, but there might be a day

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where you know, you're going to see deleted account or something like that.

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It's going to have everything wiped except for the notes.

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Oh, because like what it is right now that input is literally it's my echo

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chamber.

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It's my just like diary.

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It's it's if I have a thought it goes not sure.

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Oh, but that that is going to change at some point.

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I just don't know what the catalyst is going to be.

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Yeah, I know it's you know, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

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I guess because like right now that is the wonderful thing about

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those two is like I feel like this is yeah.

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And like and people genuinely don't feel like they there's no incentive to act

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a certain way or to engage in a certain way or to farm engagement in a certain way.

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I mean, there will be if they're you know, there are opt-in algorithms

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that people can choose to check out.

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But for the most part, it's like you are just incentivized to be you,

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which is a beautiful fucking thing as opposed to Twitter where you're just

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incentivized to troll and engagement bait because that's what that's

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what gets out there.

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But also one of my favorite things about it is that like when I'm when I'm

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hosting on Twitter versus posting on Nostra.

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On Nostra, my thumbs are flying on Twitter.

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I'm reading and rereading to see if there's any of those trigger words

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that might shadow band be or something like that.

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Even like Bitcoin sometimes I'll tweet about Bitcoin and then not receive

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a single like on a post for like three days.

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I'm convinced that it's like a shadow band thing because it's not like I'm

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I deserve so many likes, but it's different.

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What caused that differentiation?

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It's like I don't know what I can and can't talk about because I'm going

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to go in the shadows and I would like to keep my account so I can continue

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to grow to a to a six and in my brand and everything.

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But also I'm walking on eggshells as I am posting on Twitter.

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So it is one free switch.

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Yeah.

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What was his whole thing?

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Freedom of speech, freedom of freedom of speech, not freedom of reach.

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Like they they reserve the right to restrict reach.

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And well, it's also like again, I still use Twitter all the time

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because I still enjoy it and I like I get a lot of you know, news from

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there and everything else.

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Like it's a good aggregator.

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It's great for search.

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Nostra has been improving a lot search wise, just at least Primal

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and and Domus both have.

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But like there is just.

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I don't know.

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It ruins a little bit of the experience to know that there you have absolutely

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no control like on Twitter, your tweets are not your tweets.

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Like they could be wiped at any moment.

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Your account is not your account.

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It's somewhat pay to play because first of all, if you're not, you know,

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if you haven't paid the eight dollars a month, you're not going to get,

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you know, you're not going to get boosted.

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And if you haven't paid eleven dollars, you won't get double boosted.

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And if you haven't paid whatever twenty two dollars, you won't get triple

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boosted.

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And then if you're a if you're a verified organization now, you get like

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guaranteed to X the reach.

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And so if you're a member of a verified organization, you also get more reach.

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So it's that it's so much hits.

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Yeah.

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So anybody that works for like anybody that's a Bitcoin or working for a

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Bitcoin company where they have a verified corporate account and you know

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that people with their little badge next to their next to their check mark,

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they are getting increased reach because you're paying.

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It's like pretty expensive.

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I mean, not for a company, but like I think it's like some of the pricing

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for some of that stuff is ridiculous because like I see I follow a few meme

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accounts and like they've started to seem really.

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Like when I followed them up, because like I like content now, it seems like

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regurgitation of old content or like those like random only fan shills out

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of nowhere.

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And now they got in trouble.

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So now they have ad on this.

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Like, oh, yeah, no, everyone knew it's like, have you seen this drill video?

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Like I followed for cat videos and what the hell is going on.

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And now I started to see that they all have like company badges and I'm like.

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What?

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So now I'm imagining that they're probably paying some corporate organization

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to be associated with them.

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Usually it's like there's some PC company that has like ship those

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gateway and a bunch of other meme accounts.

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So they're just paying them, I guess, to get that badge to get boosted.

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So they can also make ad revenue of only fans girls that say, Hey, makes it.

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Here's a tweet.

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Can you put it out?

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I'm like, this is not like you're ruining this.

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Stop.

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It's a weird incentive structure.

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And that's why it is kind of nice to at least that there are still bubbles with

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like some of these echo chambers are kind of a good thing because you can you can

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find signal within that echo chamber.

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You know, Bitcoin Twitter is is still pretty wonderful.

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And you know, the key is just make sure you're still following enough people

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that are outside of that echo chamber, like, you know, follow the Paul Krugman's

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of the world and some other highly regarded economists and make sure you branch

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out from there.

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And, you know, it's Twitter still has its place.

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And also, like, I know a lot of people have gone noster only in like mad respect

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for that.

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I think there's still something to be said for trying to bring awareness

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to Noster through the centralized platforms that you are also still using

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if you have the reach on there.

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Like it's amazing that Jack and Snowden both have noster in their Twitter bios.

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Like it's right up there.

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It's not Snowden has literally instructions like download, you know,

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or use primal on web, use Domus for iOS, use, you know, like that's awesome.

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That's like a combined, you know, 11 million followers or something.

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And that's a pretty cool thing to see.

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But yeah, I'm we're still very much in the early early adoption phase of noster,

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but that's also what makes it so fucking fun, right?

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Is it like it's just pretty raw and that's nice.

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Some of my best friends I've met on Noster and never seen them anywhere

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outside of this protocol and or in person, even like it's it's a weird

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we're in weird times and I like staying weird.

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Okay, look, I'm not everyone's like, oh, this is so 1984 about like, you

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know, everything else going on in the world.

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I was like, y'all have that.

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I'm in 2077 over here, like just having my own fun.

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2024 has been canceled.

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We're all in different years and y'all have fun doing whatever.

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I'm going to go do my own thing.

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It's it's fucking cool.

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Like the amount of like you see so much doom and gloom throughout,

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you know, in the legacy news, obviously, you see so much doom and gloom

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on just Twitter.

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Generally, I don't go on Facebook anymore.

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I'm not in years.

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I don't know what it's like over there.

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I assume just a lot of every time.

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So I I deleted I deleted Facebook off my phone, but like I still use it like

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maybe once a month, once every two months just to kind of catch up on some

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of my friends every single time I get on the first post I see is someone dying

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or not not like a video of someone dying.

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That's for the for you.

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The of Twitter, you know, but like someone of someone that I know died.

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It's like they push death announcements to the very top, which I'm not like

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it's fearsome conspiring that that's like what they actually do.

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But it's weird that like every time I've gotten on, it's like it's almost

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like I'm logging on to see who died.

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Damn.

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It's like, oh, just deaths and birthdays, I guess.

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That's what Facebook's good for these days.

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But no, like so again, like so much darkness and from like it doesn't

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matter what side of the political spectrum you're on, like everybody

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has something that is world ending, you know, and it's always the especially

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like this election year is going to be so fucking annoying.

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It already is.

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You know, it's it's the most important election of our lifetimes.

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Again, always.

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Oh wait, and the last one was the most annoying one.

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Yeah.

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And the one before and everyone and all the ones in between to the like, yeah.

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Yeah.

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They're all pretty important, I guess.

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Yeah.

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But it's then it's like, if that was all you were taking in information from,

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I can see why you would be pretty fucking pessimistic and nihilistic and have

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a pretty dark view of the world.

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But it's like, I find myself growing ever more positive because my my own

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little echo chamber between Noster and also just Bitcoin Twitter and the

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Bitcoiners and nostritches I've met through that like is so fucking positive.

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Not to say that bad shit doesn't happen like and people are real about it

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when it does.

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But you see people that are actually building shit that is so outside of the

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current scope of most people's knowledge that you're like, oh, well,

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this is great.

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These are like some of the smartest people I've ever had the pleasure of

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meeting and they're all building this freedom tech like that's fucking awesome.

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Like that that that gives me so much hope and it's like, all right, you know

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what, things are going to be okay.

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I I look forward to raising a son in the world that is being built right now

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or at least in a parallel system that emerges and is emerging in the world

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to come because, you know, the the old dog's not going to go down so easy.

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I don't think it's it.

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I finally, especially the not sure like I feel like I'm finally early to

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something and part of like a little cool kids club right now because do the

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people who are building on us are are cool.

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I remember in the street.

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Like I don't know if it was a if it was a panel or if it was just discussion.

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I was just like watching happen like on the sidelines, but Pablo was like

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talking someone asked him a question and he was answering it and he was

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looking like really, really serious in his speech kind of started getting a

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little quieter and a little slower and he kind of looked off and they just

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grabbed his laptop and starts building whatever they just suggested.

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I'm like, that's insane.

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That is so freaking cool.

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It is like, is he having a stroke?

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No.

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Oh, he's he's coding in his head.

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Gosh, sorry.

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I'll let you let him cook, man.

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Let him cook.

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Do Pablo is incredible.

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Like that's awesome.

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And is really good not only at the actual building, but at communicating

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his vision for what he is building and the reasons why he is building it

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because that's a very important part that is often difficult for people

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that are also like savants at coding.

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Like and he also.

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I would say.

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Created the most prolific and will be remembered forever quote about

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Nostra, which is I'm so fucking bullshit.

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Yeah, I love that.

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And that's why I like you can say like, oh, why can't we delete it?

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Why can't we delete our post?

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Why can't we enter our post because you don't have stuff like that happening

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if you can like that's holy.

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It's and I think it was.

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Me and was born.

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Yeah, amazing.

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I think I think Derek has it.

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Maybe a couple of people having a think and I'll just post pictures coffee

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chain and then a picture of Pablo black and white like he died or something.

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It's just a quote.

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This is I'm so fucking bullshit like cursive.

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God, I am so fucking bullshit on Pablo.

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Like he will just continue building at a breakneck pace and it's beautiful.

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And I love it.

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You know, and it's it was cool at Nostra because you're right.

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Like, you know, neither of us were particularly early to Bitcoin.

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Like we're all early, right?

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Still right.

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Right.

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We're all yeah, we're all still early.

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But like not like we're early in the grand scheme of things, but relative to

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this time where and now we are right.

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Like I didn't start stacking Bitcoin until 2020.

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Like I've been around about the same class.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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All right.

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Class of 2020.

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I like it.

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But you know, like you you see people like serious Marty, they just he just

479
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,240
posted all those email dumps from between himself and Satoshi.

480
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,540
Like and that is just like it's so cool to see that.

481
00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:46,640
And I remember seeing him speaking at Nostrica about and telling the story

482
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,340
of how, you know, he paid for an apartment with, you know, with Bitcoin

483
00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:53,940
and like the value of that Bitcoin now is just like fucking insane.

484
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,440
And like you hear these stories about those early days and then you realize

485
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,040
in the context of Nostra, it's like, oh, wow, those these are the early days

486
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,240
for Nostra.

487
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,140
That's a pretty beautiful thing to be here.

488
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,840
And like you're walking around and like, yeah, you're going to go and soak

489
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,540
your feet in the river with Jack Dorsey.

490
00:27:10,540 --> 00:27:11,740
Like what?

491
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,640
Like what's happening that I loved you.

492
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,040
I loved your between two a six with Jack also that that turned out really well.

493
00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:21,040
I bet I'm not a he talked about that.

494
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,640
Was that just a blast to shoot that?

495
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:23,940
Yes.

496
00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:29,740
It so there have been two guests that I've had that I would say are tied

497
00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:34,340
for the top guest who understood the assignment and that's Peter and Jack.

498
00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:41,040
They were so good that in both of the Peter's first episode and Jack's

499
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,040
episode, I legitimately thought that I was pissing them off and wasting their

500
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,540
time.

501
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,440
Like Peter walked off and I like I was like, well, I'm already here.

502
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,740
Let me do this outro and I looked over and he was like on the phone.

503
00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:55,640
I was like, I'm really sorry.

504
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,640
Like if we that was too much like, oh my God, that was bloody hilarious.

505
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,940
I was like, oh, thank God.

506
00:28:02,140 --> 00:28:03,040
Same thing with Jack.

507
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,240
Like he I'm like, this guy is probably the highest net worth individual.

508
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:13,040
I'll probably ever talk to and sit, you know, one on one with and he took

509
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,940
time out to sit in the Costa Rican jungle and have me just basically kind

510
00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:18,740
of annoy the shit out of him.

511
00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:20,340
And he looks really mad.

512
00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:21,940
And I was like, all right, I think we're good.

513
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,240
He just starts laughing.

514
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,140
I was like, oh, thank goodness.

515
00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:26,140
That's that's awesome.

516
00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:32,140
I love the part where he was like, sorry, are you going to turn the asics on?

517
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,740
Like, you know, they're not on right now.

518
00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:36,140
Like I can't hear them.

519
00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:38,540
It's like just so deadpan.

520
00:28:38,540 --> 00:28:39,240
So perfect.

521
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,040
It was it was very well done.

522
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,040
And you know, that's actually he was great.

523
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,140
Oh, sorry.

524
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:44,440
Go ahead.

525
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:44,740
Go ahead.

526
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:46,640
He's great.

527
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:52,040
Like he he was it was like it was you would think Jack Dorsey would do an

528
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,240
interview with someone like me.

529
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,740
Like it was perfect.

530
00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:55,940
He wasn't trying to put on.

531
00:28:55,940 --> 00:28:58,940
He wasn't trying to be too serious or anything like that.

532
00:28:58,940 --> 00:29:03,340
Like he was he was genuinely just like he was like, this is my time to shine.

533
00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:05,340
And shine.

534
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:06,340
He did shine.

535
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:07,340
He did show.

536
00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:12,540
Man, you know, I would actually love to because otherwise you and I are just

537
00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:13,140
going to one.

538
00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:14,740
We're going to continue riffing for this.

539
00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:16,540
This is a this is a Friday riff.

540
00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:23,340
But I also want to give you a formal chance or as formal as I get on the show

541
00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:24,940
to introduce yourself.

542
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:28,340
Let and I like to ask a simple question.

543
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:30,540
And so I'll ask it to you.

544
00:29:30,540 --> 00:29:34,740
So you are Tatum Turnip and it is close.

545
00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:35,340
Yeah, right.

546
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:35,940
You know, sure.

547
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:37,140
Tatum turn up.

548
00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:37,740
Okay.

549
00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:41,140
But I think turn up might be a cool rebrand, but that's beside the point.

550
00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:44,540
Who are you, man?

551
00:29:44,540 --> 00:29:47,540
And how did you get here today to be doing what you're doing?

552
00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:49,940
I don't know who I am.

553
00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:53,340
Thanks for saying that existential crisis.

554
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:56,340
No, I'm a tin turn up.

555
00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:57,140
I'm a.

556
00:29:57,140 --> 00:30:02,940
Former Treadfy worker, I guess.

557
00:30:02,940 --> 00:30:11,540
I don't know that knows dived into Bitcoin and never turned back and I got

558
00:30:11,540 --> 00:30:17,140
degree in banking and finance now working industry actually trying to destroy

559
00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:18,740
the industry.

560
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:24,540
I got my degree in Bitcoin mining enthusiasts and I got my degree in

561
00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:30,540
Bitcoin mining enthusiasts and overall shit poster comedian.

562
00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:35,840
If that's a that's a very generous term, but that's been called that being

563
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,540
called a smart comedian been called a diet anarchist.

564
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:44,540
Quick story on the diet anarchist someone someone.

565
00:30:44,540 --> 00:30:45,540
I can't remember who it was.

566
00:30:45,540 --> 00:30:48,640
They're like, you know, you kind of I would call you a diet anarchist.

567
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,340
I was like, what?

568
00:30:50,540 --> 00:30:51,940
What do you what do you mean by that?

569
00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:58,540
And they said, you talk about hating the government all the time, but you

570
00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:59,940
also kind of suck their dick.

571
00:31:00,140 --> 00:31:03,440
And I just I just dead paying.

572
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,940
I was like kind of a point.

573
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:14,140
I don't know if I'm honored or offended, but you have a point and kind of

574
00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:17,840
it kind of was true, but you know, I'm a good boy.

575
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,740
I pay my taxes.

576
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:20,940
But that's who I am.

577
00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:24,140
If the IRS is listening like wank wank, yeah, that pain.

578
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:29,040
Yeah, I pay my taxes to like a status fucking cock, because I know that if I

579
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,040
don't, the IRS will literally come and knock on your door and fuck your

580
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,740
shit up on an unrelated note.

581
00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:41,740
Everyone should have kill switches and have a circular economy ready if

582
00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:42,540
they need it.

583
00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:47,040
If you know some I'm just saying that sometimes accidents happen.

584
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,340
This is just a public service now said maybe you tragically.

585
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,240
Following your death or getting a car crash where the cars never found

586
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,340
anything like that.

587
00:31:58,340 --> 00:32:03,740
But you know, just be prepared, you know, take with that.

588
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,940
Take that with what you how you want and you know, anyway, Walker next topic.

589
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:13,940
That was an excellent answer.

590
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:16,440
And you know, I was I was stoked to talk to you.

591
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,940
I'm glad we got a chance to do this because you I feel that in some ways

592
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:30,240
Tatum you and myself we follow similar paths in in this wild Bitcoin space.

593
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:35,640
And you know, so Carl and I, as you well know, started out just making

594
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,940
absurd videos and we still do occasion.

595
00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:41,240
We just have a little bit less time now because there's a there's an awesome

596
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,440
baby that's human.

597
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:43,740
He's cool.

598
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:45,940
By the way, holy crap.

599
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:48,240
That picture of him laughing.

600
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:56,140
I like I'm this I'm a big, you know, masculine dude, you know, like I can

601
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:56,940
tell by the muscle.

602
00:32:56,940 --> 00:33:00,740
I saw that picture.

603
00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:02,240
I was like, oh my God, I want a baby.

604
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,840
I'm like, oh my God, that's turned to a girl for a second.

605
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,340
But like that was the cutest picture I've ever seen of a small human.

606
00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:09,240
It was awesome.

607
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:15,440
The the desire to raise a human is I think neither like it is both feminine

608
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,240
and masculine.

609
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,440
If you are a man and you want to have a kid that doesn't make you feminine,

610
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,240
you know, right?

611
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,140
Like it's in fact I have done in my relatively short life.

612
00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:27,740
I have done quite a lot.

613
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:33,640
There is nothing that compares to the couple months I have spent with my

614
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,640
incredible wife trying our best to raise this little dude and the many

615
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,840
years that we will have in the future of us doing this like it is it is fucking

616
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,540
cool and I heard that it's something that you can't describe.

617
00:33:46,540 --> 00:33:53,940
You can't feel other than just actually feeling it like I I am like super excited.

618
00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:58,740
Not necessarily ready by any means, but I'm super excited to be a dad and like

619
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:04,840
actually because I mean, I've seen several, you know, the whole anecdote of,

620
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:11,940
you know, fathers being really protective of their daughters or sons and and like

621
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:15,640
there's a there's a compilation on YouTube, several compilations of dads

622
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,540
being awesome.

623
00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:20,440
It's like a baby about to fall off a swing or something.

624
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,840
The dad just instinctively like one hand catches a Delbeckum junior and I'm

625
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,040
like, I want to I want to have those wait.

626
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,640
I think I've seen one of those.

627
00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:29,340
Yeah.

628
00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:29,640
Yeah.

629
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:29,940
Yeah.

630
00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:30,940
I love watching them.

631
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:35,240
It's just like one day I want to be in a dad's being awesome compilation.

632
00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:38,140
That that's a it's a good life.

633
00:34:38,140 --> 00:34:41,740
Go but you know, because it's it's funny like with all of just the again, there's

634
00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:46,640
so much like nihilism and anti-natalism that you see with a sprit like the

635
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,640
insanity of people being like, oh, what are they called the dinks?

636
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,240
The dual income.

637
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:52,840
No kids.

638
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,640
No kids.

639
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,840
You know, those videos were going.

640
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:55,440
Yeah.

641
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:56,940
And like that's fine.

642
00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:58,640
I believe in personal choice and freedom.

643
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,840
Do whatever the fuck you want.

644
00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:04,640
But the people who are legitimately like in a non satirical way saying I'm not

645
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,940
going to have kids and that's me doing my part for the environment or something

646
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,640
like I am so sorry you are suffering from severe mental illness.

647
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,840
Like that is really sad.

648
00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:15,440
But also that's like I'm not.

649
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,740
It's a beautiful way to have that.

650
00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:20,240
Yeah, I was going to say it's a beautiful way that evolution and natural

651
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,240
selection is making sure your genes don't get passed on.

652
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:24,040
So don't worry.

653
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,240
You are pulling yourself out of the gene pool voluntarily.

654
00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:29,440
The rest of the world will be better for it.

655
00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:31,840
Please don't have it's like just like you want.

656
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,140
Like you said, like you can have your choices and stuff like that statement.

657
00:35:37,340 --> 00:35:38,740
I'm not going to have kids.

658
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:39,740
Okay.

659
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:40,740
That's fine.

660
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,840
No, no harm there, whatever.

661
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,840
And this is how I'm helping the population Christ.

662
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,140
Okay.

663
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:47,240
That's where you lost me right there.

664
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:52,540
You know, like you know, but it's insanity that people have been like

665
00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:56,540
brainwashed into thinking that it's somehow altruistic or like that they're

666
00:35:57,140 --> 00:35:58,840
they're doing, you know, I'm doing my part.

667
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Like it's like you're not doing you're not putting your mind

668
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,040
you're not playing the part that you think you're playing, but that's cute.

669
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,840
And you know, do whatever the fuck you want.

670
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,740
I really don't care.

671
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:12,440
But yeah, it's not making tiktoks like like you don't want to have kids.

672
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,140
Like that's totally fine.

673
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:16,240
But don't make it your personality and try to go viral.

674
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,040
Like that's cringe.

675
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,540
That's really weird.

676
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,840
It's like it's like actually cringe like not the kind of cringe that

677
00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:24,840
like you and I and Carla do.

678
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,140
It's like like genuinely just cringe.

679
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:30,140
And just it's a terrible acronym too.

680
00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:32,240
Like you're calling yourself a dink like yeah.

681
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:33,740
Okay.

682
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:34,940
Again, fine.

683
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:38,340
But man, rough, a quick side story.

684
00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:46,340
Um, so I found I found this, uh, this little like thrift shop, uh, a couple

685
00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:48,040
blocks away and I was just looking around.

686
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:53,140
They have these socks that have, um, it's like those old school like gym

687
00:36:53,140 --> 00:36:56,540
socks with the stripes at the top and they have like words on them.

688
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,140
Just silly stuff.

689
00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:00,840
Like I got a pair that says daddy love those.

690
00:37:01,340 --> 00:37:06,640
Um, and then I also got another pair that said day drinker is I like day

691
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,040
drinking.

692
00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:12,040
It wasn't until like two, three months later that I figured out there was

693
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:12,640
no art.

694
00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:13,840
It says day dinker.

695
00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:18,540
Um, and so I don't know what a dinker is.

696
00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:20,440
Someone said it was a pickleball thing.

697
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,340
I'm too scared to look it up because it sounds like I don't want to look it

698
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:26,440
up, but, uh, yeah.

699
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,940
Just maybe I'm dyslexic.

700
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:29,840
I have sex daily.

701
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,840
I mean, dyslexia.

702
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,440
Sorry.

703
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,740
See, there we go.

704
00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:33,640
It's happening again.

705
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:39,040
So maybe this were the socks on sale, uh, because maybe that's the, the typo

706
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,540
was had something to do with the reduced price.

707
00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:42,140
You can say.

708
00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:43,540
I'm sorry.

709
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:47,240
No, I paid like $15 for a pair of socks.

710
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,140
Shit man.

711
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,040
But I was like, I was like, I did drink.

712
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:50,840
I love to drink.

713
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,240
I'll wear these on that day drinking.

714
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,940
Like, no, day, I'm just going to be dinking.

715
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:56,640
I'm just going to be.

716
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,340
Oh, that's unfortunate.

717
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:04,940
But yeah, long story short, I highly, uh, I highly recommend having kids when

718
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:05,740
you are ready for it.

719
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:07,340
I am very early in this journey.

720
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:07,940
Yeah.

721
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:09,340
Right now if you want.

722
00:38:09,740 --> 00:38:15,940
No, but it's, uh, I have never been lacking in purpose in my life.

723
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:18,840
That's not been an issue for me.

724
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:24,440
Um, I've, I felt pretty good about where my life is heading, but I've got to say

725
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:32,040
having a kid gives purpose a entirely new depth that is really cool because

726
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,240
it's like, wait, I have a question.

727
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,340
That's what you're building for, you know, like, like, what if, like, if not,

728
00:38:36,340 --> 00:38:42,140
what would it, you're building so you can what retire on some island by yourself

729
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,040
in over many years?

730
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:44,940
Like, okay, cool.

731
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:47,540
Again, if that's what you want to do, freedom of fucking choice, do whatever

732
00:38:47,540 --> 00:38:50,940
you want, but it's cool to know that you can build something that you can then

733
00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:55,740
use to make your offspring's life better and more meaningful.

734
00:38:55,740 --> 00:39:02,540
And I think like the ultimate goal of like any dad should be, and I don't

735
00:39:02,540 --> 00:39:04,840
have the daughter yet, so I can only speak for some, but it's like, I just

736
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,940
want to raise a son who's a better man than I am.

737
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:09,940
Like let's, I want this to be an additive process.

738
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:11,340
Like I'm not fucking perfect.

739
00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:11,940
That's for sure.

740
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,940
And so I'm just going to try to do my best and luckily I've got a fucking

741
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,940
badass wife that helps a lot.

742
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:19,940
Um,

743
00:39:19,940 --> 00:39:21,940
she is pretty damn cool.

744
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:22,940
She's pretty fucking cool.

745
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:23,440
Yeah.

746
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,940
I still, you know, still not sure how I lucked out there.

747
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:27,440
It's like, oh boy, yeah.

748
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:28,940
Lucky man.

749
00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:33,940
I mean, if I were to see y'all like randomly not knowing y'all, like y'all

750
00:39:33,940 --> 00:39:38,940
are too like objectively attractive looking people, I feel like y'all make a

751
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:39,940
really cute couple.

752
00:39:39,940 --> 00:39:41,940
Then just turn into a girl again, dude.

753
00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:42,940
What's with me?

754
00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:43,940
What's in the water today?

755
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:46,940
I have baby fever and I'm saying people are cute couples.

756
00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:47,940
What the hell?

757
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:50,940
Having like some sort of almond soy milk over there.

758
00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:51,940
Something like that.

759
00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:53,940
I did start my vegan diet last night.

760
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:54,940
I'm just kidding.

761
00:39:55,940 --> 00:39:58,940
I ate with a vegan out last night.

762
00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:59,940
He's really cool.

763
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:01,940
He's he's a big quarter, big one.

764
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:03,940
I had a question for you.

765
00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:04,940
Do you feel like,

766
00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:10,940
and you can elaborate this on the stages of like you and Carla.

767
00:40:11,940 --> 00:40:14,940
Finding out the other pregnant and then probably born.

768
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:16,940
Even when y'all are trying.

769
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:17,940
Did it feel like your.

770
00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:20,940
Purpose that you had.

771
00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:23,940
Felt up until that point was.

772
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:26,940
Amplified or changed.

773
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:29,940
When Apollo was in the equation or.

774
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:32,940
Or like they're just thought of Apollo.

775
00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:35,940
Or do you feel like you have a new purpose now?

776
00:40:35,940 --> 00:40:36,940
Or is it some kind of like.

777
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:40,940
Venn diagram and combination of both.

778
00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:42,940
Like what is the purpose of the.

779
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:45,940
Combination of both. Like what is that?

780
00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:46,940
Yes.

781
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:48,940
Yes. Yes to the both because it's like.

782
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:53,940
I guess I would say that it.

783
00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:57,940
It gave me a different layer and level of purpose.

784
00:40:57,940 --> 00:40:59,940
And it gave me a greater.

785
00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:03,940
Urgencies the wrong word.

786
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:05,940
Like.

787
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:07,940
Severe any kind of.

788
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:09,940
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe.

789
00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:12,940
It made me realize.

790
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:15,940
That I've tried to.

791
00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:17,940
And Bitcoin has been very helpful with this but.

792
00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:20,940
Have a very low time preference and.

793
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:23,940
Think about the future without you know there's no reason to make yourself.

794
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:26,940
Miserable in the present right like the presence all that exists.

795
00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:28,940
Life is meant for a living.

796
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:32,940
That being said if you only live for the moment then.

797
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:36,940
That tends to not always turn out so well.

798
00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:39,940
But like mentally you should appreciate the present.

799
00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:44,940
Because the you know the past and the future don't really exist like all we have is the moving present.

800
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:46,940
But.

801
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:49,940
This just made me realize like oh shit like.

802
00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:51,940
I've made me want to work harder.

803
00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:53,940
It made me want to.

804
00:41:54,940 --> 00:41:57,940
And to make sure that I'm the kind of man.

805
00:41:58,940 --> 00:42:00,940
That my son can look up to.

806
00:42:01,940 --> 00:42:02,940
And to be.

807
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:05,940
Also a better husband because it's like that's you know part of.

808
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:08,940
Raising kids is also like how well are you.

809
00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:12,940
Supporting your partner in all this right and like.

810
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:16,940
I'm lucky the minds of you know again she's a bad ass lady.

811
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:19,940
I'm fortunate there but.

812
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:21,940
Yeah it's a it's a.

813
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:24,940
I'm excited for the next however many.

814
00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:25,940
Years.

815
00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:29,940
Of raising kids like we are just we're just dipping our toes in you know.

816
00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:32,940
But it's cool what I love to see also is that like.

817
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:35,940
We're about to get another pregnancy announcement.

818
00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:36,940
Is that what you're saying.

819
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:39,940
No we're going to take take take a nice little pause here.

820
00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:44,940
But you know it's amazing to see like Bitcoin baby number go up.

821
00:42:44,940 --> 00:42:45,940
Oh my God.

822
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:46,940
It is clear.

823
00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:47,940
Had his kids.

824
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:48,940
Yeah.

825
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:51,940
Yeah congratulations Nico and Sophie that's fucking awesome.

826
00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:56,940
Like it and there you've noticed like it's been there's been a lot of Bitcoiners that are like yep.

827
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:57,940
The time.

828
00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:02,940
Either first kid or second or like third or you know just babies come out.

829
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:10,940
Well I think it was building in the bear market for the bull market like now you know babies are made in the bear market they're born in the bull market I think that's a.

830
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:12,940
There we go there we go.

831
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:13,940
We can put that on a plaque.

832
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:17,940
Coin that yeah yeah I like it.

833
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:18,940
But now it's a.

834
00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:21,940
It's a it's a cool trip so far.

835
00:43:21,940 --> 00:43:24,940
And again like back to the hope for the future thing.

836
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:34,940
I do not want to be nihilistic about what the future has in store because that means that I am resigning myself to leave my child.

837
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:39,940
Mine and Carlos child a shittier future than we have right now.

838
00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:40,940
Like.

839
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:41,940
Fuck know that for what.

840
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:51,940
Yeah it's like no that like I want to like fuck you totalitarian neo communist Marxist fucks we are not going to bend the knee to you.

841
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:56,940
Like there is a better world that will come out of everything that is being built right now.

842
00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:59,940
And I'm fucking bullish on that you know.

843
00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:01,940
It's so crazy because like.

844
00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:04,940
Obviously people have been born after 2009.

845
00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:07,940
But like you now have a personal connection.

846
00:44:07,940 --> 00:44:08,940
Yeah.

847
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:09,940
Surprise.

848
00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:10,940
My God.

849
00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:11,940
Yeah I know you might have any data.

850
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:12,940
You have any data on that.

851
00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:15,940
I know you might have thought there was a little gap there but I met someone.

852
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:21,940
The kids in our home.

853
00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:22,940
That's how weird.

854
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:26,940
Like did now you have a you have the playground personal.

855
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:28,940
No I'm not allowed near those.

856
00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:30,940
I got stopped dude.

857
00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:39,940
Anyway now you have like a personal connection with someone who like not even like personal like you created this person who was born after one of the kids.

858
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:48,940
Like not even like personal like you created this person who was born after well after Bitcoin.

859
00:44:48,940 --> 00:45:03,940
And it's like how does that how does that make you feel because I know I quoted the picture and said like as a smile of a kid who knows inherently that his parents have been stacking like him efforts for him.

860
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:05,940
It's like.

861
00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:17,940
I hate always tie in stuff to Bitcoin but you know it's like what it how does that feel like it was born at 50 or 40 ish thousand dollars which is crazy.

862
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:26,940
I mean it's interesting using the fiat price to designate his birth I would have gone you know time chain length or height.

863
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:27,940
Yeah.

864
00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:28,940
Yeah.

865
00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:37,940
It's just a thing about the price and like because I mean the people who were born you know after 2009 like the price was lowered it keeps getting higher and higher and higher.

866
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:46,940
I feel like babies going born into very high barriers of entry into you know getting those those coins stashing them up.

867
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:56,940
It's a crazy thing to think about like what is the world going to look like when he actually like 18 years from now like he's becoming a legal adult.

868
00:45:56,940 --> 00:45:58,940
What is the world going to look like then.

869
00:45:58,940 --> 00:46:04,940
How will Bitcoin or maybe how not will Bitcoin have changed that world.

870
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:08,940
Like 18 years is like that's a that's a big chunk of time.

871
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:09,940
Right.

872
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:14,940
That's that's you know four and a half having cycles like that's wow a lot can happen there.

873
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:25,940
You know and and I think a difficult thing this is something that I actually before he was born I was asking Preston Pish about this or Preston Piss as you said in.

874
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:26,940
Yeah.

875
00:46:26,940 --> 00:46:27,940
Thank you.

876
00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:28,940
Yes of course.

877
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:40,940
Wonderful human guy I really respect a lot as both a Bitcoin or a veteran a family man like he's just a fucking he's a good guy at one of those people you meet through Bitcoin you're like man.

878
00:46:40,940 --> 00:46:43,940
You know you're in the right spot when you're meeting people like that.

879
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:48,940
But I asked him like how do you balance like obviously.

880
00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:53,940
All of us right now are really to Bitcoin still in the grand scheme of things.

881
00:46:53,940 --> 00:47:01,940
Some more so than others but like 10 20 years from now like anyone that was in now is going to have it's like it's real early.

882
00:47:01,940 --> 00:47:08,940
Like if you were in 2020 like fuck 18 years from then like damn that's a different it's a different ballgame.

883
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:22,940
How do you balance trying to give your kids the best life that you can give them while also ensuring that you raise kids to have grit and drive and the will to build and create on their own.

884
00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:41,940
Because I'm sure we all know plenty of people either growing up or that you went to school with or from fiat jobs where it's like they came from really well off parents and it did not did not do them any favors like it made things easier for them but that was part of the

885
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:54,940
problem is that it made things too easy and you know Preston was basically like yeah you know I'm just not going to give my kids anything for you know a long time like work to like you got to you got to learn to work learn to create learn to build.

886
00:47:54,940 --> 00:48:03,940
And I think that's that's going to be a difficult balancing act for me for myself and Carla but also for a lot of Bitcoiners like.

887
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:11,940
You know maybe you just you know it don't well you know you don't ever tell anyone how much Bitcoin you have but maybe you know don't even tell your kids how much Bitcoin you have.

888
00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:16,940
Because you want to instill in them the same drive that allowed you to get to where you are.

889
00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:24,940
So I think that that's like I definitely don't have all the answers there like I luckily I still got some time he's not even talking yet you know so luckily still got some time.

890
00:48:24,940 --> 00:48:34,940
I'm like I'm not so I know I'm honestly I I'm got to get in as many of those tweets like oh my you know my child just looked at me today.

891
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:36,940
Oh my God I love those.

892
00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:53,940
Those are so funny where you know like I remember seeing one that was like you know my my one one year old looked at me and said you know why why did Donald Trump win the election if he's so like if he's so evil and doesn't respect human rights and like really like your one year old said that.

893
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:59,940
Like okay like that like stuck with me and so now I'm gonna I'm gonna milk that as some deep satire.

894
00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:01,940
But yeah.

895
00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:05,940
I'm trying to find I know that I have.

896
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:07,940
Here's.

897
00:49:07,940 --> 00:49:10,940
Wait what's this I came home from work to be.

898
00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:11,940
Yeah.

899
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:27,940
My six month I posted this like 21 my six month old was waiting for me at the door when I came home from work with two beers and said here dad looks like you need one of these bad boys to love my kid like stuff like that like those are so freaking funny.

900
00:49:27,940 --> 00:49:29,940
It's a great joke format.

901
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:31,940
Oh yeah absolutely.

902
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:41,940
So I'm switching gears a little bit actually because you know I remember what I was getting back to before we went on a tangent here.

903
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:46,940
Yeah you were somebody who like Carl and myself entered this Bitcoin space as the quote like jokers right.

904
00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:56,940
And that's a great place to be because I think when we when both yourself and Carl and I started making content content it was like we didn't start making content till 2021.

905
00:49:56,940 --> 00:50:02,940
It was when things that we just taken up you know had a blown way down from the high 60s.

906
00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:10,940
People were bumming out and we were like let's just make fucking funny Bitcoin videos because everybody's so goddamn serious and those probably a similar.

907
00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:19,940
That's exactly that's literally exactly why like I wanted to do something in the space and like on my own.

908
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:31,940
I started a blog explain Bitcoin like I'm five and it it was I did enjoy doing that but I'm just not a long form writer and it got really tough.

909
00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:42,940
Then I tried starting a podcast turns out there's too many podcasts then you may have had to ask because exactly why I started another fucking Bitcoin podcast.

910
00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:49,940
And that never even took off and I just like kept failing forward.

911
00:50:49,940 --> 00:51:10,940
And finally I was like let me you know do this silly idea because you know it was to a point where I would log on to Twitter and I mean I was mad at people for being mad at people for the dumbest reasons like sometimes it wasn't even about like today people are mad and arguing about Bitcoin related things.

912
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:13,940
Ordinal CDP cabinets all that stuff.

913
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:25,940
Bitcoiners were arguing like I mean legitimately not even silly like oh no this is the best TV show like they were mad at each other about stupid shit.

914
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:36,940
I was like I'm going to put it into this and it somehow I guess kind of works somehow but that everyone was so sour it was just straight nine on Twitter.

915
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:50,940
I know. And like I think it's a I mean right now the the phrase you know making Bitcoin fun might have some loaded meaning given some of the folks that have been using that phrase.

916
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:56,940
But I remember the first Bitcoin conference that Carl and I went to was unconfiscatable.

917
00:51:56,940 --> 00:52:02,940
And that was in 2022 like it was not not long ago.

918
00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:10,940
And we were on a panel. It was Carl and I Gandalf who dressed as I remember that.

919
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:17,940
Yeah. Yeah. Niko was up there. An angry old goat as well.

920
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:21,940
And it was the panel was called like making Bitcoin fun again.

921
00:52:21,940 --> 00:52:25,940
And it's so ironic that Gandalf was dressed as a wizard too.

922
00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:26,940
It was beautiful.

923
00:52:26,940 --> 00:52:37,940
But you know I think there's this like OK there's quote making make Bitcoin fun again which is being used by some right now for certain reasons whatever.

924
00:52:37,940 --> 00:52:40,940
Then there's like making fun Bitcoin content.

925
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:49,940
And then there's making fun of Bitcoin and Bitcoiners as kind of niche micro industry humor which has its own place as well.

926
00:52:49,940 --> 00:53:01,940
And the interesting thing is and this is where I wanted to get to is it's tough to crawl out of the hole of I'm a Joker and to go and start doing more serious stuff.

927
00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:07,940
But I know that you are somebody who actually knows a fuckload about the technical side of Bitcoin and mining.

928
00:53:07,940 --> 00:53:18,940
But now you're fighting this uphill battle of being like you guys I swear I'm not just really really really ridiculously funny and have a sweet mustache.

929
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:23,940
I also know stuff. But it's a tough hole to get out of. And that's for you know myself.

930
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:29,940
I was like well of course I'll just start a podcast like every other man of a certain age is in Bitcoin.

931
00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:32,940
And then you know you said the demographic.

932
00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:34,940
I was legitimately going to start this podcast.

933
00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:42,940
The initial way was as a joke like to be a Bitcoin podcast about Bitcoin podcasting and have it be complete satire.

934
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:49,940
I actually do want to have serious conversations with people and talk about stuff because I'm I'm quite fascinated by it.

935
00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:55,940
And my fiat job is I'm still mining fiat. You know like this is this is a hobby for me.

936
00:53:55,940 --> 00:54:07,940
But it's a great hobby because I get to talk with Bitcoiners about Bitcoin and about NoSterp and about fucking monetary theory and fucking Neo Marxists and all sorts of stuff.

937
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:16,940
And that's really cool. But show me your brain. Is that the correct phrase.

938
00:54:16,940 --> 00:54:19,940
So hey no we're getting like that.

939
00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:28,940
Oh shit. OK. Not the brain your brain. But like you you actually do you you home mine.

940
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:31,940
You've also like I don't know. Talk to me about fucking Bitcoin mining man.

941
00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:40,940
Talk about what your how you started getting into that. And let's set the record straight Tatum is not just a moderately funny guy with a mustache.

942
00:54:40,940 --> 00:54:43,940
He also there's a brain behind that mustache.

943
00:54:43,940 --> 00:54:47,940
You have activated my trap part. No.

944
00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:55,940
I didn't want to get into my actually the my kind of like.

945
00:54:55,940 --> 00:55:07,940
Orange pill story but kind of like how I started deep diving was that I was at a trap by job that had a lot of adverse effects on me like.

946
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:11,940
Not even exaggerating on that. We can talk about that later. Yeah.

947
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:14,940
I had a very abusive boss.

948
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:19,940
And it was my girlfriend at the time.

949
00:55:19,940 --> 00:55:22,940
She asked me like she knew that I was miserable at the job.

950
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:29,940
And she asked me like how much research do you do in your free time about life insurance.

951
00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:34,940
I was like none wouldn't want to say how much research do you do in your free time about Bitcoin.

952
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:40,940
I was like all right. I like where your head's at. I see where you go.

953
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:46,940
And so I just I there was this is a really fun story actually I.

954
00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:55,940
So that I will only work at this particular job for a year and I made $12,000 the entire year.

955
00:55:55,940 --> 00:55:59,940
And there was one one case that I had that if I closed on this deal.

956
00:55:59,940 --> 00:56:05,940
I would basically be about even I'd be on the right track to where I'd be able to.

957
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:10,940
More easily crawl out of the hole that I was in it still be really difficult.

958
00:56:10,940 --> 00:56:17,940
And the I was I was traveling and the guy called me.

959
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:20,940
He's like, Hey man, what's up? You know, small talk.

960
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:23,940
It's like so really sorry, but like I think we're going to go to someone else.

961
00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:30,940
I was like, okay. He's like this is usually where you're trying to like point in.

962
00:56:30,940 --> 00:56:35,940
I'm so we were friends too. So what like he was just some random client.

963
00:56:35,940 --> 00:56:40,940
Trying to test my sales skills, but he was like, you sound really okay with that.

964
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:42,940
I was like, Oh yeah, no, totally fine.

965
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:47,940
And he was like, I'm just going to be real with you as a friend.

966
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:50,940
Like we're going to give you this a lot, a lot of money.

967
00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:53,940
I know, you know, roughly about how much you can.

968
00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:55,940
I was like, dude, seriously, don't worry about it.

969
00:56:55,940 --> 00:57:02,940
It's like, okay, hung up, call my boss. I was like, yo, Mr. Boss.

970
00:57:02,940 --> 00:57:08,940
I was like, this is my four week notice over the phone.

971
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:11,940
I know it's crazy, but I am giving you four weeks rather than two.

972
00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:14,940
I want to tie up everything and I'm going to be done.

973
00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:17,940
So thanks for everything you did.

974
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:20,940
So that very, absolutely he did anything for me.

975
00:57:20,940 --> 00:57:22,940
And he was like, Oh, hold on. Let's talk about this.

976
00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:24,940
And I was like, yeah, they were good.

977
00:57:24,940 --> 00:57:31,940
So hung up just like 10 minutes later, his boss calls me.

978
00:57:31,940 --> 00:57:32,940
He's like, Hey, man, what's going on?

979
00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:34,940
I was like, what's up?

980
00:57:34,940 --> 00:57:36,940
He's like, just checking in, seeing how things are going.

981
00:57:36,940 --> 00:57:38,940
I was like, no, you're not.

982
00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:40,940
And he's like, no, I like checking on my team.

983
00:57:40,940 --> 00:57:44,940
I said, I've never talked to you in my entire life.

984
00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:46,940
Like, would you do not care about me right now?

985
00:57:46,940 --> 00:57:53,940
10 minutes ago, I just resigned and basically eight out had no plan whatsoever.

986
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:56,940
And that's something that my dad always told me to always have a plan.

987
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:57,940
And I called him.

988
00:57:57,940 --> 00:57:59,940
I was like, this is where I start.

989
00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:01,940
I start crying a little bit.

990
00:58:01,940 --> 00:58:03,940
I was like, my dad's about to kill me.

991
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:05,940
I'm also scared.

992
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:09,940
I called him. I was like, Hey, man, I just resigned.

993
00:58:09,940 --> 00:58:14,940
Almost in my words was like, I just resigned from my job.

994
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:17,940
And he's like, I think you should have.

995
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:19,940
And I was like, what?

996
00:58:19,940 --> 00:58:20,940
You're not mad.

997
00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:22,940
And he's like, no, we're going to get through this together.

998
00:58:22,940 --> 00:58:24,940
I was like, Oh, sweet. Awesome.

999
00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:25,940
That's how bad it was.

1000
00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:28,940
Because my dad wasn't upset that I quit without a plan.

1001
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:30,940
So from there, I just started grinding.

1002
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:34,940
This was when I started trying to get traction on these projects of like,

1003
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:36,940
how do I get into the space?

1004
00:58:36,940 --> 00:58:44,940
And I was doing the blog, the tips of podcast and just brainstorming all these other ideas of how can I contribute?

1005
00:58:44,940 --> 00:58:48,940
I even tried learning to code because I was dumb.

1006
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:52,940
Bitcoin has already existed for like 12, 13 years at this point.

1007
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:57,940
I'm not going to bring any developer resources to Bitcoin.

1008
00:58:57,940 --> 00:59:04,940
I ended up taking taking a few.

1009
00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:06,940
I took a POM script to Academy.

1010
00:59:06,940 --> 00:59:10,940
That was ironically where I got fully actually orange pill like hardcore.

1011
00:59:10,940 --> 00:59:11,940
Crazy enough.

1012
00:59:11,940 --> 00:59:17,940
And from there, I just started kind of serially applying the jobs.

1013
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:23,940
And I one of the guys that was in my cohort offered me a job where he was at.

1014
00:59:23,940 --> 00:59:27,940
He or he he's like, you should apply. I think you'd be really good at this.

1015
00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:32,940
There's a mining company I joined had no idea what money was.

1016
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:37,940
Like, literally, this was the last part of it.

1017
00:59:37,940 --> 00:59:39,940
Sub industry of Bitcoin that thought I would work it.

1018
00:59:39,940 --> 00:59:41,940
I want to do something like financial.

1019
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:43,940
I have a degree in banking and finance.

1020
00:59:43,940 --> 00:59:48,940
The one to integrate like financial systems into accepting Bitcoin stuff like that.

1021
00:59:48,940 --> 00:59:52,940
At this point in my life, very shortly after I joined, I don't want to do anything but Bitcoin money.

1022
00:59:52,940 --> 00:59:56,940
That was a really long winded answer how I started.

1023
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:58,940
But but now I'm long winded.

1024
00:59:58,940 --> 01:00:01,940
Hey, look, I'm your guy then.

1025
01:00:01,940 --> 01:00:02,940
All right.

1026
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:05,940
Now it's like, you know, I.

1027
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:09,940
I'm doing everything I can around mining.

1028
01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:13,940
I'm, you know, reaching out to people on Twitter.

1029
01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:15,940
It has become like.

1030
01:00:15,940 --> 01:00:18,940
Twitter for Bitcoiners.

1031
01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:21,940
For the past couple of years has been the new LinkedIn.

1032
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:25,940
But like, I have this subsection of followers.

1033
01:00:25,940 --> 01:00:29,940
Like they're starting to populate my entire feed or following people I've followed.

1034
01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:35,940
They're just like talking about, you know, overclocking, doing experiments with custom firmware and.

1035
01:00:35,940 --> 01:00:40,940
You know, talking about a future of hardware and stuff like that and.

1036
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:44,940
Talking about their horror stories at facilities and things.

1037
01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:48,940
And it's like that stuff never would have thought that I'd just be like.

1038
01:00:48,940 --> 01:00:54,940
So glued into these long form post about the ideal tuning.

1039
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:59,940
For for chips on a certain board or something like that.

1040
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:04,940
And here I am, like I absolutely love.

1041
01:01:04,940 --> 01:01:06,940
I love my so much.

1042
01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:07,940
It's brought me it.

1043
01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:09,940
It's legitimately changed my life.

1044
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:15,940
And it has given me it's kind of rejuvenated my passion for just having a passion really like.

1045
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:20,940
I am now like excited to do any sort of work in Bitcoin mining.

1046
01:01:20,940 --> 01:01:23,940
It's not something I wake up like, oh, okay, gotta go.

1047
01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:28,940
Like I would stream every morning when I woke up for my fiat job my last one.

1048
01:01:28,940 --> 01:01:30,940
And I'm not exaggerating.

1049
01:01:30,940 --> 01:01:34,940
I there was a couple of days that I legitimately woke up.

1050
01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:36,940
Heard the sound of my alarm.

1051
01:01:36,940 --> 01:01:43,940
And just immediately start crying like, I'm not a cryer, but I cry like a couple of times while working for this company.

1052
01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:48,940
And now it's like, sometimes I don't sleep because I'm too excited for the next day.

1053
01:01:48,940 --> 01:01:52,940
And that sounds super nerdy and super cringy and super sigma male.

1054
01:01:52,940 --> 01:01:56,940
But like it's it's legitimately changed my life.

1055
01:01:56,940 --> 01:02:00,940
It's one of the best things that I could have landed on.

1056
01:02:00,940 --> 01:02:02,940
And there's so much that I don't know.

1057
01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:05,940
There's so much to come this year specifically.

1058
01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:09,940
I'm studying Bitcoin mining in Africa.

1059
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:15,940
And that's a whole story of itself, how I came to that, that desire.

1060
01:02:15,940 --> 01:02:20,940
But Bitcoin mining is Bitcoin mining itself like Bitcoin.

1061
01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:21,940
Yes.

1062
01:02:21,940 --> 01:02:27,940
But the actual mining of Bitcoin is going to change the world specifically.

1063
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:37,940
Third world countries developing nations, people who you think like, oh, they don't need it because they don't have the technical resources for it.

1064
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:43,940
I swear to you, Bitcoin mining is going to skyrocket every nation into the plane.

1065
01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:47,940
The plane is going to be leveled because of Bitcoin.

1066
01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:50,940
I honestly, first of all, your passion is palpable.

1067
01:02:50,940 --> 01:02:51,940
And I love that.

1068
01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:52,940
Thank you.

1069
01:02:52,940 --> 01:03:06,940
Like, you know, and I'm so, I'm so excited to see and so bullish on the global south using all of this otherwise wasted energy.

1070
01:03:06,940 --> 01:03:17,940
I really enjoy the writings of Alex Gladstein, because he's done a great job highlighting this, not just like he opened my mind to the CFA Frank and stuff, which I didn't even know was a thing.

1071
01:03:17,940 --> 01:03:20,940
I think that's probably the case for a lot of people if we're being honest.

1072
01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:24,940
I didn't know about this monetary neocolonialism that the French are doing.

1073
01:03:24,940 --> 01:03:30,940
She should shed light on the IMF and the World Bank and what awful organizations those are.

1074
01:03:30,940 --> 01:03:40,940
But then also, like his latest piece, Stranded was really, I read it as one of my Bitcoin out loud episodes, because I was like, well, if I'm going to, it's a pretty long piece.

1075
01:03:40,940 --> 01:03:42,940
So I may as well read it out loud too.

1076
01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:56,940
And it's just fascinating when you think about, you know, these, these countries that are considered, you know, that are seen as so dependent on foreign aid and all of these things and all this foreign aid that goes there.

1077
01:03:56,940 --> 01:04:00,940
Well, a lot of it doesn't actually go to where it's supposed to for one.

1078
01:04:00,940 --> 01:04:09,940
Right. And also on that note too, the foreign aid that is being given, those nations are being predatory with it.

1079
01:04:09,940 --> 01:04:14,940
It's not like a kind-hearted donation. No, it's exploitative.

1080
01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:21,940
Well, exactly. And it's, I mean, we all know that the IMF is like, literally the, they are modern day debt slavers.

1081
01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:27,940
This is a sidebar also. There's a great song by Bruce Coburn.

1082
01:04:27,940 --> 01:04:33,940
It's spelled like Cockburn. But it's, it's fantastic.

1083
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:40,940
It's about the IMF. Wait, I fucking, I'm Bruce Cockburn, Coburn IMF.

1084
01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:43,940
Call it democracy. There we go.

1085
01:04:43,940 --> 01:04:52,940
Should listen to it after this. It's going to get you fucking jazzed up because it's just a killer song and he just calls out the IMF the whole way through.

1086
01:04:52,940 --> 01:04:59,940
We don't make protests, real protest music like that anymore. It's become a bit of a lost art, you know, I have a play.

1087
01:04:59,940 --> 01:05:03,940
I have a play called a baby. That was that was a real protest song.

1088
01:05:03,940 --> 01:05:12,940
But I have a playlist called Riot Time and it's for when, you know, I'm not actually going to say for when you go.

1089
01:05:12,940 --> 01:05:27,940
Cheers. I'm not going to say for when, because there might be, you know, people who might make assumptions and, you know, three letter organizations that want to take me out, you know, but I think half of my listeners are actually CIA assets.

1090
01:05:27,940 --> 01:05:31,940
So I'm pretty sure I expected that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1091
01:05:31,940 --> 01:05:37,940
But continue though with so that let's give the CIA assets something to chew on.

1092
01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:54,940
Yeah, I mean, just just on the music part, like I have playlists. It's just, you know, if you're marching to do something and protest, like music is there's some there's some good songs, especially from like it is a lost art.

1093
01:05:54,940 --> 01:05:56,940
Like most.

1094
01:05:56,940 --> 01:06:03,940
I'm actually going to look back after this and see when the last the last song was like when it was written.

1095
01:06:03,940 --> 01:06:13,940
Because like they're all older songs like the from like pre I'd say I think the last one might be mid 90s or something like that.

1096
01:06:13,940 --> 01:06:22,940
People don't make music to get angry at your government for anymore like bring it back to seriously.

1097
01:06:22,940 --> 01:06:36,940
And you because music is very important to me. And like it's my mood dictates what I'm going to listen to when I listen to also it's a symbiotic relationship. And sometimes I'm like, I'm studying Bitcoin.

1098
01:06:36,940 --> 01:06:42,940
I'm fired up and then turn on like some absolute banger that's just like.

1099
01:06:42,940 --> 01:06:53,940
So yeah, exactly. Or speaking of rage against the machine, you know, what's kind of a bummer is that they like literally became part of the machine during that.

1100
01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:59,940
That's the one part I try not to think about it's like up until that it was great.

1101
01:06:59,940 --> 01:07:11,940
Separate the art from the artist and all that. But yeah, that was a bummer what they were like requiring the like Vax cards to get in their show and I'm like that's the most like raging on behalf of the machine thing I've ever heard

1102
01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:24,940
like fuck. Go listen to your songs. Yeah, did you listen? You forget. Are you playing killing in the name at this at this concert that I have to show that you remember how you guys used how you guys just used to yell repeatedly fuck you I won't do it you

1103
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:35,940
tell me and then again and again and then like you're like so much like fuck you please do what the government tells me like fuck you guys got soft but like still amazing music was made.

1104
01:07:35,940 --> 01:07:41,940
But no, you should check out and anyone listening to check out Bruce Coburn spelled like cockburn.

1105
01:07:41,940 --> 01:07:47,940
Again. Yeah, sweet. But it's Cobra. I think he's a Canadian guy actually.

1106
01:07:47,940 --> 01:07:55,940
But he had a couple of series of albums that were just incredible. He's got one song called Rocket Launcher.

1107
01:07:55,940 --> 01:08:10,940
It's that sounds like I want to listen to that honestly. I mean, yeah, he's talking about like if he had a rocket launch, shoot the fucking, you know, war copters coming down and it sings a lot about South America and it's some pretty powerful shit.

1108
01:08:10,940 --> 01:08:21,940
But we digress slightly Bitcoin mining in fucking anywhere that is currently viewed as underdeveloped or quote third world and also slight sidebar.

1109
01:08:21,940 --> 01:08:30,940
I think the term third world actually came from like the Cold War era and it was used to refer to anyone that wasn't like the US or Russia like was the third world.

1110
01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:38,940
I need to double check that I might be making that up. But we the we are in the so called developed world right.

1111
01:08:38,940 --> 01:08:54,940
Developed in certain ways, not in others or perhaps regressing. But it's really cool to see the opportunity that it's not just like what Gladstein says, like it's not just like what Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining can do for Africa or for, you know, Latin America.

1112
01:08:54,940 --> 01:09:07,940
It's what these places can do for Bitcoin. Like this is this incredible. I was just talking to to KG who created Machankura, which is the no internet required Bitcoin over USSD short codes.

1113
01:09:07,940 --> 01:09:20,940
Service, which is just incredible. Like that's that's amazing. And now he's building a self custody solution that'll use SIM cards. So like anyone with a feature phone and self custody Bitcoin like that's fucking awesome.

1114
01:09:20,940 --> 01:09:26,940
And like that was one of the things that sorry, I just got a message I had to respond to.

1115
01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:41,940
Oh, no, you're good, man. I was just gonna say, while you're responding. It's some of these things will not be built by someone in the so called developed world, because there's not the push there's not the pain point to require it to be built.

1116
01:09:41,940 --> 01:09:59,940
And so that's why like, I think that the global south is going to do so much for Bitcoin and for Bitcoiners and for sovereignty in general, because they are living in circumstances that we are financially privileged, Western upbringing, don't have to fucking deal with

1117
01:09:59,940 --> 01:10:15,940
like we are, you know, we are in a bubble, even if you are, quote, disadvantaged, and but you were born in America grew up in America, you are more advantaged than the vast majority of the world. If for no other reason, then your country prints the world's reserve currency.

1118
01:10:15,940 --> 01:10:19,940
But like, it's cool to see what gridless is doing in.

1119
01:10:19,940 --> 01:10:20,940
Oh, without a say,

1120
01:10:20,940 --> 01:10:30,940
like that's awesome. You know, it's, it's inspiring to see like, again, bullish on Bitcoiners who are just like, no, we're just going to go and build stuff and solve the problems.

1121
01:10:30,940 --> 01:10:31,940
Yeah, cool.

1122
01:10:31,940 --> 01:10:36,940
That's why that's why I had like a weird.

1123
01:10:36,940 --> 01:10:56,940
Kind of, I guess, relationship with if I ever heard someone talk about Bitcoin mining in African nations. I initially kind of thought like, that's a little predatory, because they're using cheap energy from, you know, these nations that the government, there's a lot of

1124
01:10:56,940 --> 01:11:18,940
corruption, there's a lot of poverty and like, why are you taking that away from them? But what I didn't realize was I was super, super wrong. And what's happening is that like, it's creating demand enough for infrastructure to go into power, you know, entire cities

1125
01:11:18,940 --> 01:11:33,940
and basically, because there, there's it right now, the way that I, and I have an episode between two nodes coming out soon, I keep trying to, I'm having technical difficulties for some reason because I record it and MKV format.

1126
01:11:33,940 --> 01:11:39,940
If anyone knows how to convert a file from MKV to MP4, please hit me up.

1127
01:11:39,940 --> 01:12:02,940
But it is a long story. But it was with Adam O. from upstream data. And the way that he explained it is that like, there is no economic incentive to put large scale power and energy infrastructure in some of these places because there is not enough demand for it to just make sense.

1128
01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:25,940
And there is a zero risk buyer of that energy when you introduce Bitcoin mining. Like, it's, no one's going to, it's not like, they're also fluctuating. That's the biggest thing about Bitcoin mining that I thought was nothing, but it is huge.

1129
01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:39,940
It's like, Oh, is the demand too, is the demand too high right now? Let's shut off a couple of Bitcoin miners or let's underclock them. Oh, do you need more to meet the requirements for, you know, some power dealer or whatever?

1130
01:12:39,940 --> 01:12:51,940
Let's overclock and let's turn more on. Like the only other, the only other thing that can do it, can do that on demand like that is batteries and they are way slower.

1131
01:12:51,940 --> 01:13:04,940
Bitcoin mining is literally the solution to demand response and it will balance grids. If people embrace it, every grid will be perfectly balanced with Bitcoin mining.

1132
01:13:04,940 --> 01:13:20,940
And that's how, you know, people will receive power to their house, power to their business, power to their entire village, city, town, because there are these little machines that have, you know, maybe a couple of different guys monitoring them to see, like,

1133
01:13:20,940 --> 01:13:37,940
you know, do we need more? Do we need less? Because we can do either. It's up to you. And on top of all that, of course, is the coding of you're introducing Bitcoin to these ecosystems that arguably needed the most.

1134
01:13:37,940 --> 01:13:45,940
And that's where another callback to Gladstein, check your financial privilege is one of my favorite books of all time.

1135
01:13:45,940 --> 01:13:59,940
A lot of people, especially in the path in the bear during the bear market have argued that they're like, Oh, debunk the Bitcoin is a hedge gets inflation, you know, perc.

1136
01:13:59,940 --> 01:14:11,940
It's like, OK, what's your primary currency that you use? Tell that to someone who has just watched their currency go parabolic in terms of Bitcoin.

1137
01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:23,940
I don't know if you if you saw, I can't remember who posted it, but it was a video of screenshots of Bitcoin hitting all time highs like last week in at least six or eight different currencies.

1138
01:14:23,940 --> 01:14:35,940
Yeah, it's a hedge against inflation for them, whether it's up or down, because I don't know if you've seen it in the USD, the price chart, it's, you know, it's up and down, up and down, up and down for them straight up.

1139
01:14:35,940 --> 01:14:45,940
No matter what the price would be for us, it was a hedge against inflation for them. And like I'm saying that broadly, I don't know exactly what countries it was.

1140
01:14:45,940 --> 01:15:02,940
The video included, but I mean, one of my favorite, favorite facts is that you can literally hold what 100 billion or 100 trillion Zimbabwe dollars in between your fingers, because they make those notes.

1141
01:15:02,940 --> 01:15:15,940
There's a reason they make those notes, because like, and also that happened in like a very short timeframe for one one would equal 10 100 billion or whatever it was.

1142
01:15:15,940 --> 01:15:23,940
All right, dude, no, it is wild. And, and honestly, a lot of in a lot of like in the Turkish lira.

1143
01:15:23,940 --> 01:15:42,940
Bitcoin was already making all time highs like months ago, like that already happened, like and it's again, I would also I would slightly argue again, I think the inflation hedge framing has some issues with it, because simply,

1144
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:54,940
I will agree with that. Not that it's wrong, but that people think in two short of time frames and they say, well, inflation's like why inflation was up last year, why was Bitcoin down?

1145
01:15:54,940 --> 01:16:05,940
Or inflation was up last month, why is Bitcoin down? And it's like, again, change your fiat yardstick fiat, any fiat currency is an inherently poor measuring stick.

1146
01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:13,940
You're trying to measure a new system with the broken and flexible yardstick of the system that is being replaced.

1147
01:16:13,940 --> 01:16:24,940
But also, I think a useful framing is just it's a hedge against general monetary policy uncertainty and overall fiat fuckery.

1148
01:16:24,940 --> 01:16:37,940
Like it is a hedge against fuckery, basically, like because you know, like, no matter what that fiat price does, if you are, that's why we say one Bitcoin equals one Bitcoin, right?

1149
01:16:37,940 --> 01:16:40,940
Because you can tell because it's a middle.

1150
01:16:40,940 --> 01:16:46,940
And then people are like, well, what does that mean $1 equals $1? It's like, no, it doesn't because you can't tell me what the denominator of dollars is.

1151
01:16:46,940 --> 01:16:56,940
And if you can't tell me what the denominator is, then you don't know what piece of the pie you hold. And the reality is that that denominator is always increasing with Bitcoin.

1152
01:16:56,940 --> 01:17:04,940
Your denominator is always going to be 21 million. And so that's like, but then again, it's like, is that even a more useful framing?

1153
01:17:04,940 --> 01:17:10,940
Because now you're talking to people about monetary uncertainty and fiat fuckery. And they're like, dude, I don't you sound like a fucking wackadoodle.

1154
01:17:10,940 --> 01:17:12,940
Like, I don't know what you're saying.

1155
01:17:12,940 --> 01:17:18,940
But it's people have enough to why they come to Bitcoin. You know, yeah.

1156
01:17:18,940 --> 01:17:31,940
It really is one of those things where, like you said, I completely agree. That's one of the things that real early on in Bitcoin kind of gave me a lot of conviction was that like,

1157
01:17:31,940 --> 01:17:41,940
Yeah, you know, we're in America, we use US dollars just like the rest of the world because that's who we are, whatever.

1158
01:17:41,940 --> 01:18:02,940
And it's like, why is Bitcoin down? Well, let me think in the perspective of someone else, you know, the lowest class citizens in America are arguably better off than some of the high class citizens and other nations that you probably don't even couldn't even point to on a map.

1159
01:18:02,940 --> 01:18:12,940
And those are the places where, like, they need it way more than you do.

1160
01:18:12,940 --> 01:18:26,940
And I think a lot of people, a lot of, I wouldn't say all, but a lot of people get into Bitcoin because they want to.

1161
01:18:26,940 --> 01:18:34,940
And then they realize that they are there because they need to be finished that quote off.

1162
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:46,940
But it's because that's why I got in, I got in because number go up the line kept getting higher. And I was like, yeah, why not? I'm gonna make some money.

1163
01:18:46,940 --> 01:19:01,940
I came to get rich as say to get even. And that's what that's the the pinnacle of it all is like, it's, it's solving literally every single problem that I learned about getting my finance degree and more.

1164
01:19:01,940 --> 01:19:05,940
It's a come for the money stay for the revolution, brother.

1165
01:19:05,940 --> 01:19:06,940
Yeah, exactly.

1166
01:19:06,940 --> 01:19:26,940
No, it is a it is a funny thing. Like, I know, I have a lot of a lot of friends who are in the trad fi space and do very well for themselves. And some of them I have gotten to come around to Bitcoin actually, after, you know, many late night chats over many Miller lights.

1167
01:19:26,940 --> 01:19:38,940
But others, it takes, they're still just not quite there because they just it's like, you know what, you're complaining a lot and you're saying a lot of things, but things are working out pretty well for me.

1168
01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:41,940
You know, and a for you.

1169
01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:51,940
Yeah, it's getting smart by choice or getting smart by force. And most people end up getting smart by force for better for worse. It's just the way it works out.

1170
01:19:51,940 --> 01:19:52,940
Right.

1171
01:19:52,940 --> 01:20:07,940
But that's why it's also I think a great opportunity for the global south to be able to leapfrog forward a bit, because you have people who are comfortable in their Western bubbles or their, you know, Western European bubbles.

1172
01:20:07,940 --> 01:20:35,940
And they just don't see the need yet. Like that's an opportunity that's a hole to fill where these nations that have been under the boot, like of fucking France, for example, for way too long, have an opportunity to get out from under that boot and lift their people up and also to contribute in massive ways to Bitcoin itself by creating awesome solutions on top and around Bitcoin.

1173
01:20:35,940 --> 01:20:37,940
That's that's fucking amazing.

1174
01:20:37,940 --> 01:20:41,940
Yeah, I'm bullish on builders always.

1175
01:20:41,940 --> 01:20:53,940
Absolutely. That's the shout out to a layer of dirty coin documentary. First of all, just the I was at a screening of the preview. I think it was in Miami.

1176
01:20:53,940 --> 01:21:14,940
Like, so it's amazing. But also she has connected me with a lot of African bit pointers and specifically African Bitcoin miners. And also, Marshall Long, OGBTC been mining since 2010. And now he's, he's like, he's in it.

1177
01:21:14,940 --> 01:21:41,940
I think I want to say he's in Nigeria right now, which I mean, that's very relevant today because Nigeria go and have on crypto and stuff. But there's, there's a lot of people like the innovation that's coming out of African nations is showing that with like the things they come up with like SMS Bitcoin.

1178
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:49,940
I would have never even thought like what if you could do that, I wouldn't have in someone thought of that and then also made it.

1179
01:21:49,940 --> 01:22:05,940
That proves that there is no ceiling to what they can, they can accomplish of different tools that they, they need. We don't see it. We don't see the need where we are.

1180
01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:22,940
I feel like there's, especially if you go on Twitter today, let me say this, if you go on Twitter today, you will see a lot of people yelling about different things. And most of them are solutions to problems that do not exist.

1181
01:22:22,940 --> 01:22:35,940
And a lot of the development that I've seen come out of African nations are solutions to problems I didn't know existed. And that's the key difference.

1182
01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:52,940
I challenge everyone listening like just in every aspect, but Bitcoin to like change your viewpoint, get out of your bubble, try to experience what other people are experiencing and see why they do what they do.

1183
01:22:52,940 --> 01:23:10,940
Because it all comes back to, you know, just different cultures, different, different infrastructure, different systems that you are not used to. And it, that's why I try to lead with empathy because even in my own nation, there are tons of different

1184
01:23:10,940 --> 01:23:25,940
upbringings and tons of different cultures. And I try to lead with empathy because I don't know why this person is making the decisions they are because I make these decisions based on that could be different for them.

1185
01:23:25,940 --> 01:23:37,940
But I'm super bullish on builders, super bullish on Africa, super bullish on Bitcoin mining. Like, I'm getting a little too bullish, dude. I might start growing horns.

1186
01:23:37,940 --> 01:23:48,940
Like, man, but it's a different kind of bullish than just NG you bullish, which also bullish on that. Have we said bullish enough? Yeah, maybe. Okay, we'll retire it for now.

1187
01:23:48,940 --> 01:24:08,940
But, you know, it's like, it's not just like when I think when we say bullish in this context, what it means is hopeful. Yes, hopeful because you see that, again, as you said, people are a lot of people argue, and this isn't just as it relates to Bitcoin, but you see this

1188
01:24:08,940 --> 01:24:26,940
across every aspect of political debates, economics debates, people argue about about problems and solutions to those problems, or that they're not really actual problems. Maybe they're in the fiat world, they're more so symptoms of the deeper disease.

1189
01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:38,940
And the solutions that they propose never cure whatever that disease is. They just put a bandaid on on on the boo boo, you know, I got a kid now so I can say boo boo.

1190
01:24:38,940 --> 01:24:58,940
And in the Bitcoin space, it's like there's there's so much debate happening, whether it be around ordinals, and like you, you know, whatever your opinion on that might be like, I've talked to I talked a lot and I talked to jocomo about these things because they both know a lot more than I do.

1191
01:24:58,940 --> 01:25:03,940
That's one of the perks being a podcast host now I can just ask questions that would otherwise.

1192
01:25:03,940 --> 01:25:13,940
It's a true divorce to get answers. Yeah, because that's what I want, you know, and they both presented really valid opinions on both sides of this.

1193
01:25:13,940 --> 01:25:32,940
Like, not that Jameson was on one particular we know what side jocomos on not that Jameson was on the other side of that, just that he presented a really interesting point about osfication as it related to the death of SMTP and centralization of email, which is like a really

1194
01:25:32,940 --> 01:25:43,940
fascinating thing like you ossified too quickly and you actually tend towards centralization like these are really cool things and he should know he worked in SMTP for 10 years like the guy knows what he's talking about.

1195
01:25:43,940 --> 01:26:01,940
My point being we're rambling a lot today but I love it. My point being that while a lot of Western Bitcoiners are debating these sorts of things, you have people like KG, who's just like, Ah, you don't get his bank account frozen for trying to buy rights to the

1196
01:26:01,940 --> 01:26:12,940
Bitcoin standard. I think he was going to translate it or something. His bank froze his account for trying to somehow purchase like reprinting rights or something to the Bitcoin standard.

1197
01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:26,940
It froze the account. And that was one of the things where he was like, Well, do I try to get my my bank account unfrozen or maybe I just build a solution that allows Bitcoiners and people to use Bitcoin in Africa with a feature phone like we don't even see feature

1198
01:26:26,940 --> 01:26:31,940
phones in the US. Hardly at all unless somebody's buying a burner.

1199
01:26:31,940 --> 01:26:44,940
Like it's just not a thing but that is extremely prevalent over there. And again, it gets back to like, it's very easy to get sucked into the minutia of these different debates.

1200
01:26:44,940 --> 01:26:58,940
But then it's important to take that step back and look at what people all around the world are doing because there are problems that as you said, you don't even know exist until you read about them until you talk to somebody who's actually going through that problem.

1201
01:26:58,940 --> 01:27:08,940
Gladstein again has done an amazing job of highlighting so much of this and very like grateful to him because I've learned a lot through his writings.

1202
01:27:08,940 --> 01:27:16,940
But take a step back and realize that you know, the Western Bitcoin scene is not the only one.

1203
01:27:16,940 --> 01:27:24,940
It's not that those conversations are not important. Like I think there are some like, it's good that we're honestly debating things like this within Bitcoin, right?

1204
01:27:24,940 --> 01:27:34,940
Like, we're, these are like we're debating kind of very well, they're technical things but they're ultimately like their market questions, right?

1205
01:27:34,940 --> 01:27:42,940
That's also the beauty of Bitcoin though, right? Is that at the end of the day, like Bitcoin doesn't care. The free market will decide.

1206
01:27:42,940 --> 01:27:52,940
And you know, as a jocomo made an actually a really interesting point because I was like, oh, is, you know, is filtering out these, you know, ordinal type transactions.

1207
01:27:52,940 --> 01:28:00,940
Is that, is that manipulation or is that like, why not just let the free market do its thing? He's like, Walker, like people deciding to do that, that is the free market working.

1208
01:28:00,940 --> 01:28:14,940
Those are decisions of free market actors doing that. I was like, oh, that's actually a really good framing. So yeah, that was a rambling way of saying again, I'm very hopeful because around the world, anybody can build on Bitcoin, like anybody can build on Noster.

1209
01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:19,940
And you're seeing that's actually, you know what, you done a switch gears a little bit.

1210
01:28:19,940 --> 01:28:35,940
Yeah, like before we do, I wanted to do it, do it, do it. I want to add on say that shout outs and safety though for it. I don't think it was KG that he responded to, but he posted something about his books and someone said something about like not being able to afford them or something.

1211
01:28:35,940 --> 01:28:48,940
And safety and literally responds like hired him like, yeah, what a G he basically saying like, you can open source it if you want. Like, I'm just I'm just saying so he he's a he's a fucking cool.

1212
01:28:48,940 --> 01:28:53,940
The only thing that I my only beef with say Fadine is how he cooks his beef.

1213
01:28:53,940 --> 01:28:59,940
And that is in a stainless steel pan versus a cast iron. Absolutely.

1214
01:28:59,940 --> 01:29:08,940
It is it is insane. But you know what, a guy can't be he can't be perfect. Right. So it's he needed to have that fatal flaw of being a stainless steel maximum maximalist safety.

1215
01:29:08,940 --> 01:29:20,940
You probably will not listen to this podcast. But in case you do, it's okay. We're none of us is perfect. Someday you'll come around to cast iron. It's not that hard to clean. It's actually quite easy.

1216
01:29:20,940 --> 01:29:28,940
Welcome you with open arms. We will the cast iron maximumless community is extremely welcoming. That's what I've come to find out. Yeah.

1217
01:29:28,940 --> 01:29:30,940
But no, what I wanted to change gears.

1218
01:29:30,940 --> 01:29:41,940
By the way, also, I have a hard stop at three. So we have a hard stop. I've got a hard stop at in one minute before that. So actually, I'm still in power here. Yeah.

1219
01:29:41,940 --> 01:29:46,940
But good to know. Yeah, just really cool. I appreciate it.

1220
01:29:46,940 --> 01:30:06,940
What I wanted to talk about is just at a larger scale, like, as we go into this next election year, did you know that 2024? It's something like it's either 49 or 50% of like people around the world are going to be voting in a like presidential or like top level election.

1221
01:30:06,940 --> 01:30:15,940
Like it's like the highest concentration of national elections in one year, I think like ever, which is kind of based on voter registration or voter registration.

1222
01:30:15,940 --> 01:30:18,940
Or voter eligibility.

1223
01:30:18,940 --> 01:30:25,940
Let me hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We're gonna find it.

1224
01:30:25,940 --> 01:30:29,940
It's I'm pretty sure it's let's see.

1225
01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:42,940
Okay, let's see from Time Magazine. Geez. Oh, and the link I clicked is malformed. Nice job time. Doesn't matter. Point being that we can look this up afterwards. You can don't quote me on it, but you can quote me on it.

1226
01:30:42,940 --> 01:30:53,940
It is a historically dense year of elections around the world. There are the top seats of power will be changing hands.

1227
01:30:53,940 --> 01:31:07,940
Oh, I'm sorry. You're talking globally. I'm talking globally. I'm talking globally all around the world. There are more elections. Like I think it's like it's it's like 50%, which is pretty wild, like, and maybe even more.

1228
01:31:07,940 --> 01:31:15,940
That's actually crazy. It's well, so like all around the world, you have power changing hands and being handed off.

1229
01:31:15,940 --> 01:31:30,940
And we're at this crazy point in time where, you know, okay, yeah, back to back to Twitter, Elon's like all pro free speech, right. And a lot of things have have improved, I would say.

1230
01:31:30,940 --> 01:31:40,940
But also, like, India just like made Twitter blacklist and remove a bunch of content.

1231
01:31:40,940 --> 01:31:50,940
I think Twitter is like not even accessible in a well a number of countries, obviously we know like it's not getting through their firewalls right.

1232
01:31:50,940 --> 01:32:04,940
And so this is I'm bringing it back around to Noster, because I think that this is this election cycle is going to actually drive a ton of awareness around the need for open protocols around publishing.

1233
01:32:04,940 --> 01:32:17,940
We've also got the, like right now going on the trial of Julian Assange, which he should not even be on trial. He all he did was act as a journalist should and publish information that was handed.

1234
01:32:17,940 --> 01:32:22,940
Bro said, hey, this happened and now he's locked up.

1235
01:32:22,940 --> 01:32:36,940
It is genuinely if if they genuinely move forward and they extradite him and he is or he just continues to be locked up, whether he's extradited to the US or he's continued to be locked up and I think he's in Belmarsh, right.

1236
01:32:36,940 --> 01:32:38,940
It's like the really fucking horror.

1237
01:32:38,940 --> 01:32:44,940
It's the really fucking hardcore prison over there in the UK, like awful.

1238
01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:56,940
That is like that's kind of like the death of free speech and the death of the right of the media to publish the truth and whether that truth be inconvenient or not.

1239
01:32:56,940 --> 01:33:09,940
It's insane that we're even at that point and the fact that you don't see every major news organization jumping, jumping at the chance to say we stand with Assange like you should he should be freed he should have all the charges dropped.

1240
01:33:09,940 --> 01:33:16,940
Build a fucking statue in his name because he had the balls to actually publish what nobody you know what others wouldn't.

1241
01:33:16,940 --> 01:33:21,940
Like that that is fucking nuts that we are at this point.

1242
01:33:21,940 --> 01:33:28,940
And again, like a lot of people just aren't even probably paying attention to this right now.

1243
01:33:28,940 --> 01:33:43,940
And fuck, I don't know if I don't know, noster does not fix does not fix governments coming after you for publishing information but it does provide another channel for information to be published.

1244
01:33:43,940 --> 01:33:45,940
And that's a powerful thing.

1245
01:33:45,940 --> 01:33:56,940
I truly hope that Assange is like, I mean you want to know how like that as I say ad nauseum there is no red there is no blue there is the state and there is you love that.

1246
01:33:56,940 --> 01:34:04,940
Trump Trump is the one who his DOJ indicted Assange on 18 charges of the espionage act.

1247
01:34:04,940 --> 01:34:06,940
So that started under Trump.

1248
01:34:06,940 --> 01:34:11,940
It wasn't the Obama DOJ they started to push on up they realized they weren't going to have a good case Trump's DOJ did it.

1249
01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:14,940
And then now under Biden they're going to move forward with this.

1250
01:34:14,940 --> 01:34:24,940
So it's like wow the one thing Biden and Trump agree on is fucking over freedom of speech and fucking over journalists who are actually trying to publish the truth.

1251
01:34:24,940 --> 01:34:33,940
Boy, doesn't that just tell you something literally tell you everything you need to know, then you're deranged and there's no help.

1252
01:34:33,940 --> 01:34:42,940
Like, it's the more that it's not the more that like stuff comes out gets any more skeptical.

1253
01:34:42,940 --> 01:34:53,940
It's just more that I pay attention not to the news but sometimes the lack there are up news or the the parallel parallels with news outlets.

1254
01:34:53,940 --> 01:35:00,940
Like, like these are very, very high value companies.

1255
01:35:00,940 --> 01:35:15,940
There, there are like, there are people in everyone's ears, whether it be, you know, money talks, money, it all comes down to money.

1256
01:35:15,940 --> 01:35:26,940
And it's, it's corruption, it literally is like we're living in nothing but just a state of giant corruption at some level or another.

1257
01:35:26,940 --> 01:35:44,940
It might not be, you know, outright, you know, paying paying off the police force to, you know, take it do a hit or something, you know, like, it doesn't even have to be that there's levels of corruption that we've become just kind of numb to.

1258
01:35:44,940 --> 01:35:46,940
Because it seems normal.

1259
01:35:46,940 --> 01:35:49,940
But when you look at it, it's not normal man.

1260
01:35:49,940 --> 01:36:00,940
Like, all of these, all these people in that are like sea level in these journalists, journalistic organizations and companies.

1261
01:36:00,940 --> 01:36:02,940
Why do you think they make so much money?

1262
01:36:02,940 --> 01:36:10,940
Like, I'm not saying that they're getting, you know, tons of like Biden's hand them, you know, millions of dollars under the table or anything like that.

1263
01:36:10,940 --> 01:36:23,940
But you got to think like, where, where is that incentive coming from that incentives talk and the money pushes the incentives and the Federal Reserve has the money.

1264
01:36:23,940 --> 01:36:25,940
Like, okay, that's all I'm going to say there.

1265
01:36:25,940 --> 01:36:27,940
Like, it trickle it back.

1266
01:36:27,940 --> 01:36:28,940
It all comes down to that.

1267
01:36:28,940 --> 01:36:39,940
No, but like, as much as I hate to say it, and I've thought about this a lot, like America has been called the home of the rich.

1268
01:36:39,940 --> 01:36:47,940
And it seems less and less and less like the home of the free every single day.

1269
01:36:47,940 --> 01:36:51,940
Like there are, and I'm not saying that I hate America.

1270
01:36:51,940 --> 01:36:58,940
Like I, I'm, I'm glad that I've been born into this, this country with the resources that I have.

1271
01:36:58,940 --> 01:37:06,940
But like the more I'm maturing, the more I'm growing up, the more that I'm thinking for myself.

1272
01:37:06,940 --> 01:37:17,940
I'm realizing that there is so much behind the scenes that's scripted that's corruption that's, you know, I mean, the, I don't know if you saw this.

1273
01:37:17,940 --> 01:37:25,940
I also cannot speak to the validity of this, but there was something about like Hillary Clinton saying, can we just drone.

1274
01:37:25,940 --> 01:37:31,940
I think it was a signs and I was like, if this is real, like I said, I didn't trust verify.

1275
01:37:31,940 --> 01:37:56,940
I wouldn't at a point where I could, but like it still just rang in my head because like there have been verified emails that come from political figures that you're like, oh, wow, a person in power said that, let alone a person said something like this, because it's a it's business to them is what the sad part is.

1276
01:37:56,940 --> 01:38:02,940
Their, their business is affecting everyone else's life.

1277
01:38:02,940 --> 01:38:08,940
Like it's not like a, you know, I have a business obligation with a sponsor or something like that.

1278
01:38:08,940 --> 01:38:13,940
Like, you're probably not going to be affected on whatever kind of relationship me and my sponsor have.

1279
01:38:13,940 --> 01:38:16,940
I'm, we can have a huge falling out something like that.

1280
01:38:16,940 --> 01:38:18,940
And you may not even ever know about it.

1281
01:38:18,940 --> 01:38:20,940
It's not going to affect you.

1282
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:27,940
This business that these people in power are doing is literally affecting everyone.

1283
01:38:27,940 --> 01:38:31,940
That's why that that's why the government exists or sorry.

1284
01:38:31,940 --> 01:38:33,940
That's why the government currently exists.

1285
01:38:33,940 --> 01:38:35,940
Not why it was supposed to exist.

1286
01:38:35,940 --> 01:38:42,940
And it's just where the money talks take for, for instance, the Mississippi governor Tate Reeves.

1287
01:38:42,940 --> 01:38:46,940
He is one of the worst humans on the entire planet.

1288
01:38:46,940 --> 01:38:49,940
And I'm very proud that he's blocked me on Twitter.

1289
01:38:49,940 --> 01:38:58,940
Um, but, uh, like, I mean, he, he was driven by money because of several things.

1290
01:38:58,940 --> 01:39:14,940
And not necessarily even more on him, but like Supreme Court, for instance, they, there was a bill a couple of couple of years ago on legalizing recreation, not recreational sorry, medicinal use of marijuana.

1291
01:39:14,940 --> 01:39:21,940
72% of the state voted yes, let's do that.

1292
01:39:21,940 --> 01:39:27,940
And like, it's not even like a mix up in the choices or something like that.

1293
01:39:27,940 --> 01:39:32,940
There were two choices of one, uh, like, uh, an add on or something like that.

1294
01:39:32,940 --> 01:39:37,940
But no, like it was 72% people of people said, yes, let's legalize this.

1295
01:39:37,940 --> 01:39:38,940
That's awesome.

1296
01:39:38,940 --> 01:39:40,940
That's how laws are passed.

1297
01:39:40,940 --> 01:39:41,940
Right.

1298
01:39:41,940 --> 01:39:42,940
The Supreme Court didn't want to do it.

1299
01:39:42,940 --> 01:39:47,940
Because the incentives weren't the incentives that they wanted weren't there.

1300
01:39:47,940 --> 01:39:49,940
They were getting paid off in the back.

1301
01:39:49,940 --> 01:39:52,940
I'm convinced of this because I've seen this happen with Tate Reeves.

1302
01:39:52,940 --> 01:40:00,940
They, their pockets were getting stuffed by organizations that drive them to stay in power because they didn't like the marijuana bill.

1303
01:40:00,940 --> 01:40:01,940
And that's where we are.

1304
01:40:01,940 --> 01:40:07,940
It's all the government and choices are monopolized, not even oligopolize.

1305
01:40:07,940 --> 01:40:09,940
It's a monopoly on whatever they want.

1306
01:40:09,940 --> 01:40:11,940
The people do not have a voice anymore.

1307
01:40:11,940 --> 01:40:13,940
Sorry, I kind of went off right now.

1308
01:40:13,940 --> 01:40:14,940
You're good, man.

1309
01:40:14,940 --> 01:40:15,940
You're good.

1310
01:40:15,940 --> 01:40:16,940
There's a lot to touch on there.

1311
01:40:16,940 --> 01:40:18,940
I'll, I'll work, I'll work backward.

1312
01:40:18,940 --> 01:40:26,940
Uh, a parallel to that is, uh, Elizabeth Warren, who is the classic, you know, loves to claim she's on the side.

1313
01:40:26,940 --> 01:40:30,940
The little guy, she's a good, you see the director of marketing for Bitcoin.

1314
01:40:30,940 --> 01:40:31,940
Yeah, yeah, she is.

1315
01:40:31,940 --> 01:40:32,940
She is.

1316
01:40:32,940 --> 01:40:33,940
Gotcha.

1317
01:40:33,940 --> 01:40:35,940
I think it's an unpaid internship actually.

1318
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:48,940
But yeah, she, uh, she is allegedly on the side of the little guy and anti big bank and she's, you know, tweets things about, oh, you know, this bank and that bank and all this stuff.

1319
01:40:48,940 --> 01:40:59,940
But then she shows you what she really thinks when she's, you know, says literally like, I don't often agree with the CEOs of multi billion dollar banks, but you know, when it comes to Bitcoin, I do.

1320
01:40:59,940 --> 01:41:02,940
And it's like, huh, that's funny.

1321
01:41:02,940 --> 01:41:03,940
Where's that?

1322
01:41:03,940 --> 01:41:09,940
Like, when it comes to the thing that actually matters, which is control of the money.

1323
01:41:09,940 --> 01:41:10,940
Okay.

1324
01:41:10,940 --> 01:41:11,940
So now you do agree with them.

1325
01:41:11,940 --> 01:41:26,940
And this is what I think this is honestly what I really love about Bitcoin as it's entering and has entered the public discourse more in the overton window starts to shift where people are presidential candidates are talking about Bitcoin.

1326
01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:33,940
Like, it holds up a mirror to everything because Bitcoin just is right.

1327
01:41:33,940 --> 01:41:36,940
How you react to Bitcoin shows a lot.

1328
01:41:36,940 --> 01:41:53,940
What, because if you are going to be vocally against an open permissionless, decentralized, censorship resistant monetary protocol that anyone in the world can freely use that is not controlled by any single entity.

1329
01:41:53,940 --> 01:41:55,940
Okay.

1330
01:41:55,940 --> 01:41:57,940
Why are you against that?

1331
01:41:57,940 --> 01:42:00,940
How can you possibly be against that?

1332
01:42:00,940 --> 01:42:10,940
I want someone to frame it like that to people, especially was with war and like, are you against freedom of XYZ?

1333
01:42:10,940 --> 01:42:11,940
Like, yes.

1334
01:42:11,940 --> 01:42:13,940
Oh, tell me why.

1335
01:42:13,940 --> 01:42:27,940
Like, it ultimately just comes down to giving people choice, right? It comes down to the freedom to choose to choose how you live your life to choose what is the best money for you that you personally choose to save in or conduct transactions in.

1336
01:42:27,940 --> 01:42:38,940
And it's just fucking absurd that you start going down the laundry list of money laundering that is done by JPMorgan, HSBC, Deutsche Bank or Duschbank.

1337
01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:52,940
All like that. Yeah. All of these major banks like, I mean, fucking a Bitcoin, Jeffer Epstein wasn't using Bitcoin as, you know, Jack Mallers pointed out like Epstein didn't bank himself.

1338
01:42:52,940 --> 01:42:54,940
His banker was JPMorgan.

1339
01:42:54,940 --> 01:42:57,940
Like, and oh, we had no idea.

1340
01:42:57,940 --> 01:42:58,940
It's like, really?

1341
01:42:58,940 --> 01:42:59,940
That was crazy.

1342
01:42:59,940 --> 01:43:00,940
You had no idea.

1343
01:43:00,940 --> 01:43:02,940
Like, fuck you.

1344
01:43:02,940 --> 01:43:03,940
Bullshit.

1345
01:43:03,940 --> 01:43:05,940
Like, it's, it's, it's absolutely insane.

1346
01:43:05,940 --> 01:43:08,940
But like, but I will agree with the government.

1347
01:43:08,940 --> 01:43:09,940
The mask is coming off.

1348
01:43:09,940 --> 01:43:10,940
Protect us.

1349
01:43:10,940 --> 01:43:11,940
Yeah, of course.

1350
01:43:11,940 --> 01:43:15,940
They protect us by by choosing for us. They know best, right?

1351
01:43:15,940 --> 01:43:27,940
You know, you know what? Here's the problem. Whenever I'll speak for Americans and you can agree or disagree on this, but I'm an American, so I'll speak for the American experience.

1352
01:43:27,940 --> 01:43:39,940
When your team, you know, your, your color, whether you're red or blue, if let's say you're red, you're on the red team. And when you're your red captain is in the White House, you are.

1353
01:43:39,940 --> 01:43:41,940
Yep, the government's doing a great job.

1354
01:43:41,940 --> 01:43:43,940
Yep. Yep. I won't hear a word against it.

1355
01:43:43,940 --> 01:43:49,940
And if you're on the blue team, when the blue teams in power, wow, the blue team's doing a great job. Aren't they just doing wonderful?

1356
01:43:49,940 --> 01:43:50,940
I won't hear a word against it.

1357
01:43:50,940 --> 01:43:56,940
And if you're on the red team, while the blue teams in power, you say they're doing a shit job and vice versa.

1358
01:43:56,940 --> 01:43:57,940
Right.

1359
01:43:57,940 --> 01:44:08,940
And we do this over and over and over again. And for some reason, people like they think that when their guys in power, the government somehow becomes benevolent.

1360
01:44:08,940 --> 01:44:18,940
When their political presidential puppet is in the Oval Office, all the governments doing a wonderful job and they care about me and everything's everything's peachy.

1361
01:44:18,940 --> 01:44:23,940
And then the other guy gets an office and all the government's terrible, but our rebel rebel.

1362
01:44:23,940 --> 01:44:34,940
It's I hope that I think for Bitcoiners, a lot of Bitcoiners have gone down this path of realizing again, there is no red, there is no blue, there is the state and there is you.

1363
01:44:34,940 --> 01:44:38,940
This like the state is the state is the state is the state.

1364
01:44:38,940 --> 01:44:47,940
And having this mentality of, oh, I'm just going to support my team whenever they're in power because, you know, if I don't, you know, they're at least they're not as bad as the other guy.

1365
01:44:47,940 --> 01:44:52,940
But each team thinks that that's the mentality of each side that while it's not as bad as the other guy, our guys.

1366
01:44:52,940 --> 01:44:58,940
They may have their faults, but they're not so bad as as those those red guys or those blue guys.

1367
01:44:58,940 --> 01:45:04,940
And it's this fucking incessant wheel of doom that just keeps spinning down and down and down.

1368
01:45:04,940 --> 01:45:16,940
Meanwhile, the things that actually matter, the base layer of our society, which is money is being just sneakily degraded, sneakily withered away to nothing as your purchasing power trends towards zero.

1369
01:45:16,940 --> 01:45:18,940
And it's like, fuck people.

1370
01:45:18,940 --> 01:45:27,940
If there's one thing I hope is that the discussion around Bitcoin, which is becoming more pervasive, helps to wake more people up.

1371
01:45:27,940 --> 01:45:36,940
Because the things you're arguing about, the things that you find that are so important, these policy decisions, they're all moot.

1372
01:45:36,940 --> 01:45:38,940
Unless the money is fixed.

1373
01:45:38,940 --> 01:45:41,940
Because like you said, it just comes back to the money.

1374
01:45:41,940 --> 01:45:44,940
And until we have a fix for that.

1375
01:45:44,940 --> 01:45:46,940
We're fucked.

1376
01:45:46,940 --> 01:45:49,940
But that may sound very nihilistic.

1377
01:45:49,940 --> 01:45:55,940
But the more people that freely opt into this open system, the better things get.

1378
01:45:55,940 --> 01:45:58,940
And the idea of the parallel systems being built alongside of it.

1379
01:45:58,940 --> 01:46:12,940
Alongside of all the fiat fuckery is this, you know, this beautiful digital Citadel that's being built stone by stone by people who actually give a fuck and have seen through all of the bullshit.

1380
01:46:12,940 --> 01:46:16,940
And are still have plenty of their own bullshit themselves. Bitcoiners are fucking not perfect.

1381
01:46:16,940 --> 01:46:19,940
We're a bunch of ADIQ fucking psychopaths.

1382
01:46:19,940 --> 01:46:21,940
But we're trying our best.

1383
01:46:21,940 --> 01:46:24,940
We're all just trying our best, right?

1384
01:46:24,940 --> 01:46:26,940
Yeah, that's my little rant.

1385
01:46:26,940 --> 01:46:28,940
I like that.

1386
01:46:28,940 --> 01:46:34,940
It's easy to see a white car on the road when you're looking for a white car and miss every black car that goes by.

1387
01:46:34,940 --> 01:46:38,940
So try not to look for any cars and just see what you see.

1388
01:46:38,940 --> 01:46:49,940
And what I'm saying is that, like, look at the good, look at the bad, you know, like, there's a Twitter account holding Biden accountable.

1389
01:46:49,940 --> 01:46:51,940
What are my favorite Twitter accounts?

1390
01:46:51,940 --> 01:46:53,940
Because I'll say this. I'm open.

1391
01:46:53,940 --> 01:46:55,940
I voted for Biden.

1392
01:46:55,940 --> 01:47:01,940
And because he had a lot of promises that I really liked that they would be good for me.

1393
01:47:01,940 --> 01:47:05,940
They'd be good for a lot of other people didn't act on a single one.

1394
01:47:05,940 --> 01:47:12,940
And they go back and pull receipts and say, like, you know, oh, did you did Biden just tweet this?

1395
01:47:12,940 --> 01:47:14,940
Let me pull out this account.

1396
01:47:14,940 --> 01:47:21,940
This statement from when he was running that completely is opposite from this.

1397
01:47:21,940 --> 01:47:26,940
It's contradiction after contradiction and comes back to money comes back to incentives.

1398
01:47:26,940 --> 01:47:31,940
But, you know, like, that's why I'm just I'm I'm out of it now.

1399
01:47:31,940 --> 01:47:37,940
Like, it's it's not done even feel worth it because I have an open system that I've opted into.

1400
01:47:37,940 --> 01:47:47,940
And I live my own life, you know, like, it's it's very tiresome because it is the reality that we do live in and we can't fully avoid it.

1401
01:47:47,940 --> 01:47:52,940
Like, it's not like a, I'm just not going to pay attention and live my own life.

1402
01:47:52,940 --> 01:48:08,940
But there is, you know, some silver lining, whatever you do, open your eyes to it and kind of have a little cushion of, you know, something that no one in the White House can affect because it's just going to keep going.

1403
01:48:08,940 --> 01:48:20,940
So, yeah, it's a I'm I'm interested to see, you know, the good thing about election years is that there will hopefully be a lot of good memes to be had.

1404
01:48:20,940 --> 01:48:23,940
Oh, that's a given. That's a one thing I'm looking forward to.

1405
01:48:23,940 --> 01:48:25,940
Yeah, no, same here.

1406
01:48:25,940 --> 01:48:32,940
And honestly, looking forward to some of these debates, because you know, they're just going to be hilarious, but it's also just like bad lip readings.

1407
01:48:32,940 --> 01:48:33,940
Oh, yes.

1408
01:48:33,940 --> 01:48:35,940
Oh, I love bad lip readings.

1409
01:48:35,940 --> 01:48:37,940
Love presidential debate, bad lip readings.

1410
01:48:37,940 --> 01:48:41,940
Oh, there's a fucking great one that I still remember about Bernie Sanders.

1411
01:48:41,940 --> 01:48:47,940
Like, you're talking about your reference in that bad lip reading account on our channel on YouTube, is that what you're talking about?

1412
01:48:47,940 --> 01:48:48,940
Yeah, fucking great.

1413
01:48:48,940 --> 01:48:50,940
I gotta go check that out again. I haven't looked at it.

1414
01:48:50,940 --> 01:48:57,940
Yeah, I know what I'm doing tonight. I'm watching the entire going deep down some bad lip readings from past debates.

1415
01:48:57,940 --> 01:49:16,940
No, but it's it's it is so sad that we're at this point where it's like we've got these what Biden will be a fuck 80 something or what 82 this year and Trump is what, you know, 79 or like they're basically the same age, like, and it's just fucking sad.

1416
01:49:16,940 --> 01:49:20,940
It's like really in a country that is 50 million people. That's the best we fucking have.

1417
01:49:20,940 --> 01:49:21,940
Come on.

1418
01:49:21,940 --> 01:49:38,940
Like, what's crazy is aside from Biden and Obama, I think the last I think the last five, four or five presidents are all the exact same age, not while they were in office, like, they are the same age today.

1419
01:49:38,940 --> 01:49:45,940
Dude, I'm pretty sure Bill Clinton who left office 25 years ago is younger than Biden and younger than Trump. Let's see. Let's see how old Bill Clinton is.

1420
01:49:45,940 --> 01:49:50,940
Bill Clinton is currently 77 years old.

1421
01:49:50,940 --> 01:49:56,940
And Trump is, let's see, 77.

1422
01:49:56,940 --> 01:49:59,940
I think Clinton was the start of what I was talking about.

1423
01:49:59,940 --> 01:50:00,940
Yeah.

1424
01:50:00,940 --> 01:50:10,940
And Biden is currently 81. So Bill Clinton was a president in the 90s is the same age as the guys running for president right now.

1425
01:50:10,940 --> 01:50:13,940
And the one who is president right now, that's fucking nuts.

1426
01:50:13,940 --> 01:50:16,940
Yes, baby. Yeah, I gotta love it, right? Gotta love it.

1427
01:50:16,940 --> 01:50:20,940
But hey, we have things to be hopeful about.

1428
01:50:20,940 --> 01:50:25,940
We have open protocols with really fucking smart driven people building on top of them.

1429
01:50:25,940 --> 01:50:30,940
And that gives me a lot of hope. That gives me hope for my son's generation.

1430
01:50:30,940 --> 01:50:33,940
They're going to be a generation B, right?

1431
01:50:33,940 --> 01:50:37,940
They're, you know, this is this is generation Bitcoin.

1432
01:50:37,940 --> 01:50:39,940
And it's going to be a beautiful thing.

1433
01:50:39,940 --> 01:50:41,940
I hope.

1434
01:50:41,940 --> 01:50:43,940
But I have hope. So that's a good thing.

1435
01:50:43,940 --> 01:50:47,940
But I know you have a hard stuff. I know you have a hard stop here, Tatum.

1436
01:50:47,940 --> 01:50:57,940
And, you know, I appreciate you sharing your scarce time because Bitcoin is scarce, but Bitcoin podcasts are abundant.

1437
01:50:57,940 --> 01:51:01,940
So thanks for sharing your time on another fucking Bitcoin podcast.

1438
01:51:01,940 --> 01:51:06,940
But anything else you want to drop out, I'll link your channel.

1439
01:51:06,940 --> 01:51:10,940
Everybody should go check out between two asics. It's fucking hilarious.

1440
01:51:10,940 --> 01:51:18,940
If people want to learn more about your less joker side, should they follow you on Twitter?

1441
01:51:18,940 --> 01:51:21,940
Should they? Is there anywhere else they should go?

1442
01:51:21,940 --> 01:51:23,940
Send people where you would.

1443
01:51:23,940 --> 01:51:29,940
Twitter is going to have the best of both worlds. You'll see me constantly shitpost.

1444
01:51:29,940 --> 01:51:36,940
But also you'll see me throw out just like some crazy just like, whoa, that was.

1445
01:51:36,940 --> 01:51:44,940
But I've started to do more long form stuff, not necessarily long form, like serious journaling type deal.

1446
01:51:44,940 --> 01:51:55,940
If you just go to at Tatum on Nostar, or if you go to at Tatum turn up on Nostar, which is my regular profile, it's linked in my bio.

1447
01:51:55,940 --> 01:52:02,940
And it has that's where I'm kind of logging, you know, my genuine thoughts and.

1448
01:52:02,940 --> 01:52:10,940
And experiments that I'm working on progress on my essays, a couple essays that I'm working on too.

1449
01:52:10,940 --> 01:52:13,940
But yeah, Tatum on Nostar is going to be.

1450
01:52:13,940 --> 01:52:14,940
I'll drop my.

1451
01:52:14,940 --> 01:52:17,940
I'll drop the links in there. Yeah, yeah, I got you.

1452
01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:18,940
Freeze.

1453
01:52:18,940 --> 01:52:20,940
Well, sweet man.

1454
01:52:20,940 --> 01:52:27,940
With that, I, I appreciate you taking the time. This was this was a good chat. We went all over the place and I like that.

1455
01:52:27,940 --> 01:52:32,940
I mean, this crazy the range that was on this.

1456
01:52:32,940 --> 01:52:38,940
Maybe we start ourselves our own little like Jerry Springer style, you know, Bitcoin variety podcast.

1457
01:52:38,940 --> 01:52:44,940
Who knows, we'll start building out a, you know, another fucking Bitcoin podcast network or something.

1458
01:52:44,940 --> 01:52:48,940
Yep, that sounds like a plan to be it was inevitable to happen.

1459
01:52:48,940 --> 01:52:50,940
So, you know, let's just go ahead and do it.

1460
01:52:50,940 --> 01:52:51,940
Let's fucking do it.

1461
01:52:51,940 --> 01:52:53,940
Well, I mean, thanks so much for having me, man.

1462
01:52:53,940 --> 01:52:55,940
Look forward to seeing you in person soon.

1463
01:52:55,940 --> 01:52:57,940
Absolutely.

1464
01:53:25,940 --> 01:53:36,940
You can also watch the video version of this show on X or on YouTube by going to YouTube.com slash out walker America or rumble by searching for at Walker America.

1465
01:53:36,940 --> 01:53:38,940
Bitcoin is scarce.

1466
01:53:38,940 --> 01:53:43,940
There will only ever be 21 million, but Bitcoin podcasts are abundant.

1467
01:53:43,940 --> 01:53:50,940
So thank you for spending your scarce time to listen to another fucking Bitcoin podcast until next time.

1468
01:53:50,940 --> 01:53:55,940
Stay free.