We're essentially on the journey right now into a new world order.
There's the abolition of freedom of speech.
There's the abolition of private property and abolishing cash.
The introduction of CBDCs, clamping down on food systems, on farming,
on farmland, on information, on speech, on technology,
and obviously on education.
But all of these things are happening in parallel
and they're accelerating.
And we're reaching the end of this process
that is really defined if you go to the United Nations website
defined as Agenda 2030.
We're in 2024.
It's almost ending.
There's only five more years until we have to comply
with the 16 sustainable development goals that they've put in place.
They have to fucking ruin our lives,
our families, our environment, our climate,
our mental capacity, our physical life, our spiritual life,
our religions.
They have to create wars.
They have to create chaos and order to bring about a new world order.
It's that simple.
And anyone that thinks that this is a conspiracy theory,
go fucking do the work.
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and then started hearing missiles exploding around her.
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We went deep into a ton of topics today
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Efrat, welcome.
We were starting to talk and I realized that
you were probably going to say some very interesting things
right off the bat, so hit that record.
But yeah, just another normal day in Israel, right?
Yeah, I guess.
This is just like what normal looks like today.
What do they call it, the new normal?
This is it.
It's the fucking crazy normal.
This is our reality.
I mean, this is not normal in any shape or form
for anyone living around here, not just in Israel, obviously.
And people hate that I do that because I always,
I don't just talk about Israel, I talk about everything.
And I don't give a fuck what they think
because no one is doing that.
Yeah, it's just crazy.
But yeah, the reality is insane.
Insane, the levels of anxiety and stress
that are being put on people right now,
I call it the how to break a nation one-on-one.
Like it's a playbook.
They're rolling it out and I'm seeing people around me
breaking down and most of them have no idea,
I mean, they would attribute it to the war, right?
But they really don't know why
because it's everything together at the same time,
thrown at them.
They are helpless, what can they do?
Obviously they'll feel like victims.
And we know that feeling like a victim
is like the number one cause of more stress,
more anxiety, more diseases.
And then it's easier for you to just die.
So a lot of people die, not necessarily because of the war,
but because of everything else around it.
And it's like, they're actually doing that.
Like dude, they're actually like rolling out
this mega playbook of how to break down society.
I mean, I've watched,
I don't know if you've watched that movie
with the shock doctrine by Naomi Klein.
There's a book, there's a really good book
that she wrote called the shock doctrine teaching you,
she's American, teaching you how America was using
that doctrine in foreign policy
in other countries around the world
to bring about crisis, emergencies,
and crazy states of reality to kind of break down society,
to then have them beg for solutions,
to then recreate a new reality in their country.
Big daddy came over to take over and take care of you.
And here we have a new order for you.
And the same, and she's showing like,
I really encourage people to go and see the movie.
It's an intense movie.
So just, you know, you gotta be strong
if you decide to go watch it.
But if you do, you'll see how they did it
in like South America, in Chile,
yeah, in like in so many countries around the world.
And I'm kind of seeing the same playbook
being played out again.
But this time it's Israel and it's a bit ridiculous
because Israel is always jokingly,
but not jokingly, is said to be like the 61 state,
51 or 61?
51, yeah.
51, sorry.
We've got a lot of them, it's okay.
51 states, yeah, 51 state of the US
because we're allies and everything.
And I'm not saying that it's just the US
doing that to Israel.
Obviously Israel plays a huge part in doing that to itself.
I mean, what is Israel, right?
There is no entity Israel.
It's just funny that we talk that way.
It's the state, it's the deep state.
It's everyone that's pulling the strings.
But they're basically, regardless of who is steering,
the people are breaking down once again
and they're bringing about like a new reality.
Like I had a look at your questions before the call
and I was thinking about some things to tell you about.
And so the recovery phase is what I'm now seeing
that is about to, we're about to embark on that
even though we're still very much in the war
and the war is going to intensify.
In my opinion, it's gonna grow and prolong and everything.
We're still already with one foot inside the recovery game.
Meaning that you're seeing the Prime Minister
inviting into Israel different types of heads of corporations
to discuss with them what the new rebuilding of that area
or that area is going to look like
and what kind of government incentives
and government policies are they gonna put in place
in order to fund this rebuilding
of what they're currently destroying
and continue to destroy in a war in the name of whom?
There are a lot of people that want that war for sure
in Israel because they're completely brainwashed.
But yeah, we're seeing the recovery phase.
It's gonna happen in Gaza, it's gonna happen in Lebanon,
it's gonna happen in Israel.
They are going to go in it just like in Ukraine, right?
Today I saw this amazing piece about Ukraine
and this is, we're like one year behind I think
in terms of the phases of the process.
But in Ukraine, in the Irish times,
there was an article today or yesterday,
cost of modular homes for Ukrainians doubled
to 442,000 euros each.
And they used to be 200,000 euros each,
those modular homes.
So you get all these conglomerates and corporations
coming into the black rocks and all the other ones.
Elon Musk visited Israel and he went with Prime Minister
Nathan Yau to do a nice round of the area around Gaza
to see all the devastation so they can talk
about the green island, the green area
that they're gonna be building there.
So you'll have electric cars and solar panels
and Musk is going to be involved in that for sure.
So contracts are being negotiated.
So we see the bigger picture,
we see the fiat culture in play inside those wars
and it's all happening before our very eyes
but most people cannot just identify it
because they don't know what that is,
they don't understand the game,
the bigger game that is being played.
So I'm seeing both things.
I'm seeing the war with people,
tens of thousands of people being murdered
and killed every day.
Soldiers being killed, young soldiers like 18, 19,
20 years old and older, going to reserves,
coming back in a coffin.
Everyone's sacrificing their lives for whom, for what?
For those idiots to then go off
and do those tours of duty in those areas to show,
oh yeah, this is carnage,
this is a, there was a massacre here
and people died here and now we need to rebuild this
and can I offer you this future contract
and this is the amount of money
that the government is gonna be putting on
rebuilding this devastation that we are putting in.
So it's like, it's fucking, it's not clown world,
it's psycho world, you know what I mean?
They're killing, they're destroying,
they're doing the PSYOP to make people beg
for more money, more subsidies, more solutions.
Then they're throwing that crap at them,
but because the deficit is so big already,
then they have to also tax the shit out of them.
So they add all these taxes next year
and they raise the VAT and now,
no one wants to come to Israel anyway, right?
But now, tourists, just so you know,
tourists that want to come to Israel have to pay VAT.
It is just insane because like...
If we wanted to scare everyone off, it's like...
Well, you know, one thing you said
just about the reconstruction,
I think that's so important for people to understand
because war makes people,
very, and companies very, very rich, right?
But reconstruction makes them kings.
Like that is what develops massive, massive fortunes.
Yeah, there's a lot of money to be made in the war,
but it's also worse PR, you know, to be,
but if you're involved in the reconstruction,
great PR and way more money,
and money flooding from every corner of the globe,
because everybody wants that little piece
of those sweet reconstruction contracts,
the same, you know, like you said, the same in Ukraine,
those deals are being negotiated,
the same in Israel, Gaza, it's all the same.
And ultimately, you know, the bankers are happy
on both sides of the war during the conflict
and after the conflict,
because they're the ones moving the money around
and taking their percents off the top.
So the bankers always stay fat.
But if you're involved also in weaponry
and in, you know, designing rockets or planes
or anything to do with fueling the war,
you're also doing very well right now.
Stocks are good, the orders are coming,
you know, the feds printing more money,
giving it to Israel, to Ukraine, to everyone,
you know, the machine just keeps on grinding.
It's ridiculous.
It is insane to think,
because I think something you touched on earlier
just about the idea that people are forced
to become accustomed to this new normal, right?
They are basically terrorized,
they're made to feel helpless,
they're made to feel unsafe,
they are made to feel confused
because there's so many different pieces of information
and truth and disinformation and misinformation
flying all around them at all times.
How can they possibly,
our brains aren't meant to decipher this.
We're still, you know, relatively intelligent apes,
but we have not, the amount of the technology
has leapfrogged in the past 100 years.
Our brains have by no means evolved
to deal with that deluge of information.
We can't possibly.
It's not just the brain walker, it's the soul as well.
I mean, it's a mental capacity,
but it's also a spiritual capacity
and it's your frequency
and you're vibing on a certain frequency.
If you're vibing most of your time
on frequency of fear or anger or frustration,
like you see me right now, I'm frustrated,
but we'll talk more about what I do in order to sustain myself
during times like these.
If you don't have that capacity,
if you did not train your body
and allowed for your soul to make the space
for the heavy burden and for understanding things
in a different way, like instead of being a victim
to actually see the reality for what it is,
to accept it as much as it's hard, as much as it's heartbreaking,
as much as it's, you don't want to,
you really try to reject that reality,
but you have to accept it if you want to be sane
and build something new.
Because once you're in acceptance
and once you are, you also not tied,
you are able to then like kind of release
and shake off the shackles of your ancestral traumas
and your tribalism and your, you know,
you belonging to a certain group,
to a certain religion, to a certain tribe,
to a certain nationality, et cetera, et cetera,
your identity, if you're not able
to break down your identity into dust,
into getting to the part where you are everything and nothing,
you don't matter anymore and you matter so much.
Like you get to the zero point once again,
because you understand that it's not about you at all
and life is so much bigger and there's not much you can do
to change them, but work on yourself, but change yourself.
And once you get to that singular, I would say even
like the source point, you then understand
and it normally goes through a lot of pain
to get to that point, but if you're courageous enough
to do it, you then start to understand how much you do matter
and how much you can build a reality
that is completely different.
You can control and convey that or manifest
that kind of reality that it almost feels like uncomfortable
to live in a, you know, pleasant, different,
higher vibration reality or higher frequency reality
in such a crazy place.
But what it always reminds me is like the example
that I would get from sometimes from Gaza,
sometimes from India.
I've never been to Gaza.
Unfortunately, I've been very close to it, like on the border,
but I know many people that have been that they are describing
how happy the kids are there, even though they live
in like refugee camps and they're poor as,
obviously I see poor people and, you know, in Israel as well,
but it's not the same.
And then my boyfriend went to India a couple of years ago
and it told me that he saw like kids
in the poorest, poorest areas running around,
playing, being really, really happy.
It's not fake happy.
It's like being really happy.
It's because you find joy and you find life
and light and happiness once again,
even in the most horrible places when you connect back
to yourself and to the essence of life.
And so if you're able to go through that process
during this time, I think that the only reasonable
and natural, organic,
organic process or outcome that you would get to
is that you have to now be in service of humanity
because, you know, you've completed so much of your shit.
It's not about you anymore.
I mean, I've got the mental and the spiritual capacity
to now be there for other people.
I know I'm privileged enough to be able to do
what I want to do in life, I have Bitcoin to support me.
I have a good family, I have good friends.
You know, I completed a lot of my traumas and my shit.
I'm doing a lot of work for that.
That I have the capacity, the space to now hold space
and try to stabilize some energies
in this God-ridden, horrible place that I live in, right?
So I almost feels like that's like a natural conclusion
you come to when you do work.
And many people mistaken being awake to just knowing
the hoax of COVID or the lies of fiat or, you know,
the climate scam, that's not being awake, sorry.
This is like, yeah, you know shit, you know information.
That's great.
You understand and you have discernment and this is good,
but really being awake then involves you
looking back into yourself and doing internal mental work
and spiritual work even to bring yourself out of victimhood,
out of anger into being creator
and then being in service of humanity.
That's what I think.
I don't even remember where we started.
I was ranting.
That's okay.
It doesn't matter where we started
or where we're going because it's about that journey, right?
But just speaking of journey,
I'd love to kind of dive into a little bit.
Just who, I like to ask this question
and it's just who are you?
How did you get here today?
Like what was your journey that brought you here
that, you know, to be doing a lot of amazing things
and giving people a voice, but also being your own voice
in a literal war-torn country,
but bringing so much light and positivity into the world.
Who am I?
I think I'm not from here.
Sometimes I think I'm not from here.
I think my soul is way more ancient than what my body is.
I'm a 44-year-old former marketer working for about 20 years
in global marketing, in tech companies, startup companies,
having a really good, comfortable life with high-paying jobs
and prestige and reputation and all the blah, blah,
being part of management of companies,
running global operations of millions of dollars every year
for different companies, helping them create revenue,
make more fiat, get that hamster wheel rolling.
I was like, yep, yep, yep, yep,
bringing more consumers to consume more stuff,
but I was always on the good side,
making sure that I had this intuition
that I have to be a good marketer, not a bad one.
And I think marketing is fantastic.
You just have to not abuse it.
Anyway, I was born in Israel in 1980
and I lived here most of my life.
When I was 18, I went to the army.
I served in the IDF for about two years.
It was mandatory service.
When I finished, I went to Australia.
I was studying computer science in Israel
and I had this exchange program opportunity.
So I went to Melbourne and I graduated there
for my computer science degree.
I was a programmer.
I was developing video games,
making like Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo games.
SpongeBob SquarePants was one of them.
I had an MX versus ATV dirt bike game.
I was doing the audio for the dirt bikes.
It was really fun.
I was doing that for a few years,
but then I understood that my level of enthusiasm
when I write code is nothing like the level of enthusiasm
of my blokes, my male colleagues.
They were sitting there every day,
like being like almost orgasmic pleasure
from the code that they're writing.
And I'm like looking at them fucking dorks,
like seriously, you're so happy about a line of code
that you wrote and an algorithm
that now cracked something in the game.
I don't belong here, you know?
And I wanted to, I love technology,
but I didn't like that part.
And I wanted to create the story about technology
rather than creating technology.
And I had no intention to go back to university
because I already understood that it was,
it was like, I can learn everything myself.
Why do I need that stamp, that stupid credit,
whatever, certification?
Someone would tell me that now I am good as X or Y.
So I didn't go back to university
and instead I opened a business
to learn everything I wanted to learn about business.
And I had two shops for jewelry and accessories in Melbourne.
And I loved it.
And I then opened an e-commerce store in 2005 on eBay.
I was going so well.
And I started learning about e-commerce
and it was a lot of fun.
And then I decided after six years in Australia,
I already had my citizenship,
I already met my boyfriend.
I decided to go back to Israel.
He came with me.
We got married in Israel.
We had a baby in Israel one year later
and we then got divorced and he went back to Australia.
And I stayed in Israel with a one year old baby
as a single mom.
You know how hard that is.
Now imagine you.
I can't imagine doing it alone.
So yeah.
I know, young parents, they know.
So that was hard.
So I decided to move next to my parents
so to get their help.
Because really that was not how I envisioned my motherhood.
And I still didn't want to give up on my career.
Looking back now, I would do many things differently
from what I know today
and how I see life today very differently
to what I saw then.
That was about 15 years ago.
My son's 15 today.
And yeah, he grew up with me in Israel.
He saw his dad a few times a year until COVID
because his dad was in Melbourne,
which is like Nazi Melbourne during COVID.
Crazy lockdowns.
Yeah, so he couldn't leave.
That was crazy.
I actually arranged.
I was, so from 2000 July until about 2023, early 2023,
I was like in the streets, activist
because COVID pissed me off and the government pissed me off
and I decided to start doing something about it
rather than just complaining.
Actually, I wasn't involved in politics at all
until that moment.
But when COVID happened and then all these restrictions
and da-da-da, I said, fuck this, this is insane.
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2020, I was, yeah, I was taken to the streets.
I started protesting.
I went every week.
I became more and more involved and it changed.
It kind of metamorphosis
because first it was Benjamin Tanyao, the prime minister.
And then he, after about a year,
he went out of office.
This idiot replaced him.
Oh fuck, there is a siren.
Okay, let's hope it's not my day to go.
Okay.
There's nowhere I'm going anyway.
I don't have a shelter in my home.
Anyway,
so I, yeah, so Benjamin Tanyao,
then the other guy replacing him, Naftali Bennett,
we were hoping for a change with the new government
that came in in 2021.
They were actually promising us no green pass.
You know, that's like the mandates and everything.
They were promising things that they obviously they lied
and they continued where the previous government
stopped.
And so for me it was like, okay,
here's my proof for right and left working together
in Kahootz.
This is all a facade.
This is all a charade.
I'm done.
Like the politics is not going to save the day.
I'm not going to vote anymore.
Not going to do that anymore.
But obviously I continued protesting
because of all the COVID madness in Israel.
It was super crazy.
They, they, you have them on tape saying how they sold us
to Pfizer and you know, it's the lab of the world.
Israel is the lab of the world.
We're like lab rats.
Yeah. And people wouldn't see it.
It's just like now with the war,
completely brainwashed, super compliant.
It's because we're, we're taught to be that, you know,
with the army and everything, when you're 18,
Israel is like a factory for compliance.
It's amazing.
With a constant state of fear that you inflate during the years,
you have a war and another war and another war
and constant existential threat from your neighbors
that are dying or being brought up to think
that everyone hates you.
Some of it is true, like many hate, but you know,
but it's, it's your, it's your consciousness.
You live in a consciousness of fear and hate
and existential threat and survival.
And due to that, you're being super compliant.
And so breaking through that
and breaking through that programming,
that deep, deep, deep programming takes a lot of bulls
and courage and, and work and, and determination.
So I, I luckily, I found other crazy people like me
during those years of, of, you know, being in the streets
and COVID and everything, which was fantastic.
And I spoke out, even though I had like this, you know,
super fancy job, lots of money.
Again, as I said, lots of good reputations,
good connections, Silicon Valley and Tel Aviv,
like all the investors that I was working in,
the American investors and everything.
I really had a pampering, comfortable life.
And I decided consciously to like be part of the minority.
I'm going to speak out.
No one is saying anything, especially not in the
privileged tech community.
I need to be the one saying something because it's insane.
And I did and I paid prices for it.
And I'm, I also won like the biggest gifts of my life
because I not just got to know myself better
and got connected to myself and overcame a lot of my fears,
but also found kindred spirits everywhere around me.
And that journey led me to then finding more
and more important areas of my life and of people's life
so that I need to cover.
I wouldn't get to Bitcoin or to money
if I didn't go through that journey.
It was a prerequisite for it.
And then this one day a friend, he wasn't my friend.
Then he was someone that was following me on Twitter.
He saw my work.
He saw how I was speaking out.
I was doing most of my content in English.
So I already had like people from all around the world
following me, asking me to continue covering
what's happening in Israel because mainstream media
was painting just one-sided picture
and they wanted like the, you know, the grassroots truth.
So I did and he saw, that guy saw the work that I was doing.
His name is Ben, Ben Samochan.
He's a shout out to Ben.
He's the head of Crypto Jungle,
which is Israel's largest media company
for crypto and Bitcoin.
And he came to me and he said, you know,
he's on the same page and he was like,
you're doing an amazing work so far with COVID
and everything and human rights.
And you know, everything else and exposing lies,
you're red peeled, you know, you got it all right.
You understand the corruption and the system.
It's your time to be orange-billed.
And I'm like, yeah, dude, bring it on.
I wanted to learn about that for so long.
It actually came, that opportunity came to me
several times before, but I ignored it every time,
including when my ex-husband told me,
can you get Bitcoin already so I can pay you
the child support through Bitcoin rather than PayPal
that fucking kills us with 15% fees
for every dollar I send you?
And I ignored, I ignored, I mean, I told him,
I'm gonna do it one day, but I still didn't found the time.
So this guy, Ben, actually came to my office.
I was still working my normie job then.
He sat with me and he explained what that is
and he answered all my questions
and he then came with me to do the first transaction.
And he held my hand, literally, I was so scared
and he helped me do the first one.
And that was amazing.
And he was there for me.
And then he got me the Bitcoin standard
and then I started my journey on my own
and I progressed so fast because I was so ripe.
I was so ready for it.
I was almost looking for this and it appeared.
And I was so excited by what I was discovering
that I was constantly pinging him with my questions,
making sure that I'm on the right track,
that I'm understanding things right.
And before I knew it, after like a year and a half
of studying, I was already doing my podcast
but I wasn't talking about Bitcoin yet
because I didn't feel confident enough.
And then the guys from Amsterdam invited me
to come to the conference, talk about CBDC.
And I did and I then recorded my first episodes
at the conference and I released them later
and I started talking about Bitcoin slowly.
But with every conversation, I felt like my confidence growing
because my level of knowledge was growing.
And the fact that I have a podcast is such a hack
for quick learning.
You get to talk to all the smart people.
It's the best.
You are one of the podcasts that I followed at the beginning.
I remember one day cleaning my house
and listening to you and my big speaker.
And I'm like, who's that guy that has this fucking low voice?
It's the lowest voice I've ever heard.
And he's so funny.
He's like, on the one hand, he sounds so serious
because of the voice.
And then he starts swearing.
And says the fuck word all the time.
I can't help myself.
Fuck is such a good word.
It's so perfect for so many situations.
It's not a child-friendly podcast.
But they're going to hear that word eventually too.
So I'm honored.
One of my favorite sentences with my boyfriend,
we use it all the time, is that we
don't give a fucking fuck anymore.
So fucking fuck is being said a lot in this house.
But yeah, so I got to know your podcast quite early on as well.
And yeah, and then I started inviting people to the podcast.
And they just said, yes, yes, yes, one after the other.
And here I am.
I'm like doing this for a living from the end of 2022.
When I was fired, it was the first time in my life
I was fired probably because of my voice and opinions.
And it didn't sit well.
Oh fuck.
That was a bang here.
Jesus.
That was close.
Yeah, that was close.
Fuck you now.
That was close.
I meant this is quite surreal.
I heard that last one.
Did you hear that one?
There's another one.
Jesus.
Fuck.
I just watched a video today on YouTube
with a missiles expert.
That worked in Rafael.
Do you know Rafael?
Rafael is like the another one.
I heard that one too.
That's a big attack.
Wow, on Tel Aviv.
So this guy from Rafael, he used to build missiles for a living.
He's like 70 years old.
He's an expert on missiles.
He can analyze for you any and every missile
that you would think of.
And weaponry systems and anti-missile systems, et cetera,
et cetera.
It's in Hebrew.
But I recommend people to go watch that video
because you have automatic subtitles.
Another siren.
Wait, it's my mom calling me to make sure I'm fine.
Yeah, go ahead.
Ima.
This was the attack.
I didn't buy it.
I called the sedan.
If you need to go.
I don't have anywhere to go.
I mean, there is a shelter here, but I'm not going to the shelter.
I never do.
I sit here in my room and continue.
I just think that if it's my day to go, I'll go.
And I've done my best.
It was fun.
It's crazy, yeah?
I hope that it's not your day to go.
No, I hope it's not my day either.
I have a lot more to do.
I have five conferences by the end of the year.
You have five more this year?
That is all Bitcoin, I assume.
Yeah, except for one.
What's the non-Bitcoin one?
It's Liberty in our lifetime in Prague.
It's about free cities, small communities,
building themselves up as sovereign communities
and private communities, where they kind of see government
as a private service provider.
There are many communities like that around the world.
And it's a grassroots movement, and it's super cool.
And so they invite, I was on their podcast,
and they invited me to come speak about CBDCs and Bitcoin.
Stefan Levera is going to be there as well.
They have Bitcoiners inside of this organization.
So they are very much on the Bitcoin mindset.
So Bitcoin is part of that conference
and that conversation, which is super cool.
Check out their website.
It's called Free Cities Organization.
Yeah, I've heard of them.
Yeah, because I think that they were presenting
at a couple of Bitcoin conferences I've been to,
because like you said, there's some crossover there.
I just want to take a moment to appreciate
how incredible it is that you're sitting there with bombs
literally exploding around you, and you're
talking about Bitcoin.
Yeah.
It makes you wonder, it's like, we say Bitcoin fixes this
about a lot of stuff.
And I think there's an argument to be made for Bitcoin
making war unaffordable or less affordable.
Because Fiat is, it is a, I mean,
it's what bankrolls war, right?
It's what makes it possible for wars to go on forever and ever.
Wars never, there weren't world wars
until we had central banks, right?
Really big central banks.
You know, it's no coincidence that those coincided.
But you talked about just ancestral trauma as well.
And as Americans, I think it's often difficult for us
to understand the histories that go back longer
than our country has been around, right?
In various parts of the world.
Israel is one example, but they're basically,
most places are older than the United States,
we're a very young country.
We're an old constitutional republic,
from that perspective, we've actually been around
quite a while compared to others.
But in terms of our country, it's young.
And I mean, does Bitcoin fix this?
Or does Bitcoin at least provide a lifeline
for those who need and feel the desire and the urge
to speak the truth and give them the power to do so?
Look, it fixes some things around it.
And I think that it's very simplistic to just say
it fixes this and, you know, go ahead with the rest of your day.
There are some things that are so broken
and so rigged and corrupt and rotten,
not just in the system, but in humanity itself,
in the human spirit.
And so that's why I always go back to,
you have to do work on yourself,
because if we don't mitigate that corruption
and that rottenness from our own lives,
we will not be able to bring about change.
And while Bitcoin will be a great supporting tool
to go through that change,
it does not change reality immediately.
If you decide to embrace it as your enabler,
as your tool, as your even your philosophy of life,
you will then find a very good friend,
a very good ally to take with you on your journey
in order to rebuild a new normal, more normal reality.
But if you lack the wisdom to see this as just a mechanism,
it's a framework, it's a supportive structure.
And you have to then be wise and do the work
and show your dedication and really spend time
in changing yourself and things around you,
then it will not happen.
It will not fix anything.
So we are needed.
Bitcoin is not enough.
We are needed to make the change.
It's humanity's time to step up and take the responsibility
first as individuals and then as collectives
to bring about change because humanity is in a dire situation.
And speaking of our origins and our history,
you're very right.
And I would recommend people to go watch,
just for a reference, just to get some perspective,
to go watch the Netflix series, Ancient Apocalypse,
with what's his name, Graham Hancock.
He's awesome.
It's good.
And you're seeing like 20,000 years ago, how people lived
and what kind of ancient wisdom they had
and how they knew how to harness the powers of astrology
and astronomy and work with nature in order to build
technologies that we believe today,
that we are smartest and more advanced
than any previous face of humanity.
But we are just sick with hubris.
I'm not saying that we have not achieved great things
in the last few hundred years, but who said that thousands
of years ago they didn't have what we have today
and maybe it got ruined as well because of the hubris,
because of the corruption, because of the rottenness
of people, because of humankind and humankind not
being able to then ascend to the next level of evolution,
to the next phase of evolution.
So I really think there's another one.
Fuck.
Yeah, they're going for it.
Yeah, I really think that this war is escalating.
It's shit.
So yeah, I really think we need to put ourselves
and our history in perspective and understand
that we need to be humble about the opportunities we get
in terms of technology that is being shown to us,
in terms of inventions, innovation,
in terms of mental and spiritual work,
in terms of physics, understanding,
everyone knows already that classic physics has its limitations
and space and time only define that much of reality
that we already know.
There is such thing called consciousness and spirit
and physics doesn't help work with that.
And then you have quantum physics
that already gives you a new set of tools and languages.
And so you understand that there's a lot more
than what we've been taught.
There's a lot more than can be captured with our five senses.
There's a lot more to this reality and to this life
than what we know.
And we have to come to that vast play field of knowledge
that is untapped with amazing levels of humbleness
in order to step into a new reality and build something new.
Nuclear, in my opinion, was introduced to humanity too early,
if you ask me.
Humanity was not ready for it.
We turned it into weapons.
That's the first use case we gave to that amazing technology.
And nuclear technology is insane.
It can liberate people and earth from so many
of the diseases we have today if we only
harnessed it in the right way, in a different way.
So I really think that we ought to stop and take a look
at ourselves at life, at the different areas of life
that we are researching and come to all of that
with a lot of humbleness.
I think good advice is to kill your ego, if you can.
And you can build it again.
But this is why I love the name ego death capital, the Jeff Booth
and Alden Presson Pitches Fund, because it's perfect.
It's a great reminder.
That's right.
And I like to think, Bitcoin fixes a lot,
but it doesn't fix you.
Like, you have to do that.
Bitcoin's not going to do it for you.
Buying Bitcoin doesn't all of a sudden
make you a better, more enlightened person.
It can maybe be a step on that journey to awareness,
but you have to do the work.
No one's going to do it for you.
And Bitcoin certainly won't do it for you.
Bitcoin's a tool, right?
It's great money.
Yeah, and it will be an accelerator.
It will present you with the opportunities
to do more work and to wake up more to your responsibility
and your greatness.
But you have to do the work.
So it will be an accelerator if you choose it to be.
I have to look back to the one thing we mentioned before,
that video of the missile expert, which I can give you
the link if you want.
He's an Israeli guy, and he's talking about the fact
that a lot of what you're seeing in Israel as, how do you call it,
countercepting, that's how you say it too.
Intercepting?
Intercepting.
Intercepting in the Middle East.
Yeah, the Iron Dome is a fake, and it's not working.
And it's, yeah, he brings all the receipts for it.
He's a missile expert.
Yeah, and it's mostly done as a PR to, again, as a PSIOP,
to kind of make the people believe that they're safe
or that we have a weaponry system that is protecting us.
But really, we are defenseless, and we don't really
have what we need in order to protect the people.
I'm sorry that I know that it sounds horrible
that I'm saying this, sitting here in Israel with missiles
over my head.
I just know, look, this is it.
I think you're one of the only people who can say this, right?
Like, you're uniquely qualified.
I can literally hear the bombs going off around you.
Exactly.
And this is the point.
This is the thing.
Listen to this.
We are not safe.
People need to understand that this is why I broke out
in October 7th and did what I did and told people
that I think that the government has allowed this to happen,
because the people of Israel have been sacrificed.
I'm saying it once again.
They've been sacrificed, they've been sold, again,
to the highest bidder, whatever forces,
because these people that are running the show here and globally
have no interest in human lives.
They don't give a fuck about me, about my neighbors,
about anyone.
They don't give a fuck about you.
They don't give a fuck about anyone.
They have bigger interests to take care of.
And the people that are living here
are living in an illusion that this is the safest place
for Israelis, for Jewish people, for this is the only democracy
in the Middle East.
You have all these stupid slogans that have nothing
to do with reality.
We are not safe.
This is not a safe place.
I'm sorry that I'm saying it like that.
I'm not an ambassador for Israel today.
It's, yeah, people here really are being abused,
not just by the fiat system and all the horrible limitations
and regulations and taxation and inflation and also war and safety.
Like, they're not safe.
And yes, we're sending our kids to the army
and they go and fight and everything, but Israel is not safe.
It's not a safe place.
And obviously Gaza and the other places, they're not safe.
And they probably don't have a way to protect us.
And they probably don't care, because in the end of the day,
they want to build mega-urban cities around here
and cramp one kibbutz or one village of 500 people
into one building in Tel Aviv.
That's what they want to do.
That's the trend that's a trajectory
and the same in all the other countries around us.
So I think we are witnessing a real collapse
of the Middle East, maybe, that area and global society.
And I think that a lot of hope is lying on.
I mean, a lot of, I mean, I draw hope from the US
because I feel like it's kind of the last place that still
has a standing constitution and people
that have a second amendment that could really
resist, because in most other places around the world,
people cannot resist the powers.
They cannot resist what's coming.
You can't run away from it.
It's difficult to run away from it.
Some people can.
But even when you run away, you don't really run away.
I try to get out of Israel whenever I can.
But my family and my friends are here, and so I come back.
And I know I'm not safe.
But as I said, I don't live in fear.
I don't care.
I try to be here for other people.
Until if I find out that I'm in real existential threat,
I will leave.
But so far, I'm OK.
So anyway, I didn't want to depress anyone,
but I just wanted to say that the point is that no one's
safe, that we are not safe.
And the only place you can find safety is within yourself.
If you have faith, if you have a center,
if you have a strong base and strong mental capacity
and spiritual capacity, you'll get through everything.
Yeah, because safety is not on the outside.
It's only on the inside.
Amen.
And nobody is coming to save anyone.
Because you're right.
They, whoever we want to attribute they to,
different things in different places, right?
But they do not care.
No one, anyone who claims that they are trying to offer you
safety is really trying to use that as a ploy
to take away your freedoms.
And Everett, I have to wonder.
I mean, you have been extremely vocal.
Like I went back and I watched some of your videos
from October 7th.
And you have been very vocal since then as well.
You are saying things.
And you're asking questions too.
That's you're encouraging people to ask questions.
But I think that one of the first things that
is done in wartime, and we're always at war, aren't we now?
War is continuous.
War, you know, war is peace, right?
Freedom is slavery.
But we're always at war.
And one of the first things that governments do in wartime
is to make asking questions and casting doubt,
to make that a crime, to make that illegal,
to disincentivize anyone from doing that
so that you don't ask questions, you follow what
is the party line, you be a good patriot.
They really care about patriotism at war times.
And I mean, do you worry about the fact
that you are speaking on comfortable truths
and asking uncomfortable questions?
I mean, do you worry about your safety
from that perspective?
Because?
No, I don't.
I understand the question.
But I don't because of several reasons.
First of all, because I'm not afraid.
And if they need to shut me down, they will.
And I'll face it, whatever.
Secondly, because I try to be smart about how I do things
and the content I create.
I don't go out there and write or speak about treason
blatantly.
I ask questions instead.
I bring information.
I obviously direct the narrative, my narrative,
to a certain direction.
But I am trying not to use the terms that I know that
are forbidden or I try not to engage in too much.
I actually try not to engage too much in war content.
I don't.
And actually, that pieces people off a lot overseas.
Every time I put out content out there, they're like,
why aren't you talking about gas?
Why aren't you talking about the genocide?
Why aren't you talking about the.
I'm sorry.
I have to protect myself.
And to be honest with you, I'm not interested in being
a war journalist.
This is not my aspiration.
I never wanted to put a helmet and a vest and go to the field
and see the.
I don't live in a war reality.
So I don't want to be consumed by that.
But also the other thing is I create most of my content
in English.
I think they know that people that create English content
influence the Israeli public a lot less because most people
in Israel do not consume English content.
So they're like less worried about me.
There are people that speak in Hebrew that they need to worry
about first.
You know what I mean?
They put some people in jail.
They arrested some people.
They do a lot of things to intercept people who speak
the wrong way these days.
I also what I also do is I cover the rules and regulations
that they put in place.
So it's like I cover what they do,
which is a smart way to do it as well.
It is.
And that's my way of showing my objection to it
by showing you what they are doing
and giving my pinch of opinion here and there.
And the other thing is I think I'm kind of, I don't know,
maybe I'm just like protected.
I had a lot of hate coming from, I'd say, Israeli agents
here and there.
When I started speaking out, I got like a full on shaming
campaign against me.
Yeah, from Israeli people that tried to shut me off and say
that.
And ridiculously, these people were part of the COVID resistance
and they do not trust the government when it comes to COVID.
But then when it came to October 7,
they were like, what are you saying that the government did
this to us in purpose?
I'm like, yeah, just like they did in COVID, idiots.
And so they did a full on campaign
involving some doctors and researchers that
are Jewish from other countries to come and join them and speak.
When I gave the interview to Brett Weinstein
on the Dark Horse podcast, after that, for like two weeks
or three weeks, there was a synchronized campaign
against me on Twitter with posts every day,
with saying she's not even a journalist,
she's a marketeer, she doesn't know what she's talking about.
She's lying about what she did in the army, which I'm not.
I have the receipts.
I know what I did in the army.
It was just confidential, so I'm not
allowed to say everything I did in the army.
But I did reveal some of the things
I know, which are not confidential.
So anyway, there was a big shaming campaign against me.
And it was very hard to face that.
I mean, it broke me.
It was hard.
But I'm like the phoenix.
I came back stronger.
And I kept on going, because that's exactly what they want.
They want us to fucking shut up.
And I will not shut up.
I will not shut up if my life depends on it,
because that's the only thing I have.
It's not a weapon.
It's my medicine.
When I'm able to express myself, when
I'm able to speak out for those who are too ashamed or too weak
to even think about it or too distracted with life,
and I do that.
And then they write me a personal message
and they say, thank you so much.
For the Lord's work you're doing, thank you so much
for what you're doing.
You're speaking for me.
You're speaking for my family.
You're saying the things that we want to say, but we can't.
Then I draw strength from that.
And I keep on going, because I know
I am meant to do this in this lifetime.
I am meant to make my voice heard.
That's why I was born the way I was born.
That's why I started talking when I was eight months old.
That's why I never shut up.
That's why my sister recorded me when I was four years old,
doing an interview with a double cassette tape.
That's why I always had to perform.
That's why I went to ballet classes
and always needed a stage.
That's why I would put everyone in my home sitting
in front of me on the couches in the living room saying,
now there's a performance.
You sit down, you're in my audience,
and I'm going to perform.
Because I need to speak out.
That's my gift, and that's my purpose,
and my mission in life.
So I'm doing it.
I'm living my mission, even when it's hard, and it's hard.
And I had to give up a lot of my biggest thing,
my biggest fear, is what people would think about me.
And I had to give up a lot of convenient things in my life.
Yeah.
My son left.
My son went to live with his father.
I didn't say that.
He's now back in Melbourne with his, not back.
He went to live with his dad when the war started.
I mean, my values and my integrity and what I stand for,
truth and peace and love, are so much more important
than anything else that I would make changes in my life
in order to have that in my reality.
And if I am against wars and I don't want my son
to be in the army, and if that means that he will not
live next to me, he will be with his dad, so be it.
I will make changes, hard changes,
but I stay true to myself, you know?
I have so much respect for you because it is not easy
to speak unpopular truths and to ask unpopular questions
and to make unpopular decisions, but that you know
are guided by your principles and what you actually believe.
It's really easy to compromise yourself,
whether it's censoring what you say,
whether it's changing what you do, it's very easy.
And because we see people do it all the time,
and we're all guilty of it, right?
But the goal is to try and do that as little as you can,
to try and focus on the big things that matter,
that you can control and to have some conviction there.
But conviction is a rare commodity these days.
True. It's very rare.
True. And maybe there is some divine,
I don't know, guidance there for me because I don't,
I do not know how to explain when I applied
for a journalist card, a certification.
I never went to journalism school, right?
Just like I never went to marketing school.
I just did my computer science degree,
but I keep learning things myself.
And I decided that I'm going to be a journalist.
And so I started writing and I became a journalist.
And last year I applied for this journalist card,
just for fun.
It's not that if they wouldn't agree,
if they wouldn't give it to me, I would not be a journalist.
I would still call myself a journalist.
Fuck them, right?
I don't need anyone's approval or permission
to do what I want to do.
But I said, I'm going to apply.
Let's see. And I sent them, you know, the form, the application,
and I filled it up.
And one of the questions was,
what are some things that you've written show us
and where do you write?
So I wrote to them where I write, like the name of the newspaper
and my blog and my podcast and some overseas magazines.
And I gave them a list of my articles and, you know,
my articles are not easy to read.
They're not fun and they're dissident.
They're like, I criticize all the time, the institutions,
the government, the, you know, the establishment.
And they came back to me and they're like, here you go.
Here's your card.
You get your card.
Damn. That worked.
Okay. So I guess there's some like divine justice somewhere.
And maybe there's some a good person out there
that still cares about the freedom of journalism
and the freedom of speech that would look at my stuff and go,
you know, yeah, she's naughty, but whatever,
let's give her the cards and now I have like a journalist.
You're a car.
You're an official card carrying journalist.
I love you all.
All shamers.
I'm a journalist.
Now, I think that they're, you know, around the world,
we are seeing a concerted effort to, let's say,
crack down on the freedom of speech in various ways.
And I agree with you about America being like as an American,
I love my country.
I don't love my government.
I love my country.
I love the ideas upon which it was founded.
I love the fact that we have a constitution,
which is the bedrock of everything we do.
There's a reason the First Amendment guaranteeing
your freedom of speech is first.
There's a reason the Second Amendment comes right after that
because you need a way to protect that freedom of speech
when the government decides to overreach and encroach on your rights.
But even in America, we see, you start to see the,
I don't know if you saw like the clip of John Kerry recently
or like the saying basically,
the First Amendment is getting in our way, essentially.
And it's like, motherfucker, that's the whole point.
The whole point is that it gets in the way of shitbag
career politicians like you who want to strip away
the rights of people to speak the truth.
Because that's the thing.
The first step toward totalitarianism,
and people are totalitarianism, that sounds a little too far.
No, no, like open your fucking eyes.
The very first thing that totalitarians do
is take away your right to speak freely.
Because if you can speak freely, you can ask the questions.
You can encourage people to think for themselves.
You can question the narrative.
And if you can ask those questions, if you can sow doubt
and reasonable doubt for good reasons,
you are incredibly dangerous because totalitarianism
requires control of information.
It requires control of messaging.
If they do not have that, they will not be successful.
And that's why, you know, when they implement communism
in countries, which is totalitarianism,
the first thing they do is they go around to various towns.
I was hearing a story from some of my Romanian friends
who are older friends,
and they literally escaped communism in Romania.
They were telling the stories about how their parents,
one of the first things that they would do,
this is at the dawn of communism in Romania,
is they would have anti-communists go around to the villages
and say, I'm an anti-communist.
If you're against communism too, why don't you sign up here
so that we can all work together?
Well, everybody that signed up for that list got put in prison
because those were fake anti-communists.
They were fake agitators.
They were used to basically suss out who had the balls
to go and actually put their name down and say,
I'm against this.
And they want to make, because those people will have the balls
to speak out against it.
But it's hard to speak out when you're locked up in prison.
And so that's what they do.
They will try to take away your right to speak freely,
and they will use violence and the threat of violence
to ensure that you cannot speak freely
if you give them the chance to.
They also collected all the guns and, you know,
the normal stuff like that.
But this is a consistent playbook.
We know this.
And that's why when I see people saying,
ah, well, okay, yeah, I believe in free speech,
but, and then they add their little but,
but this time is different.
But these people, they're saying dangerous things.
We can't mind.
And it's like, that's the whole point.
And the pendulum always swings back, right?
It's going to go the other way.
You're silencing people who you think are on the other side
right now.
They're going to be silencing you the next chance they get.
And if you don't realize that, like, you need to wake up.
Like, you really need to wake up.
And it's sad to see people just completely miss that.
And the fallacy that this time is different,
or this time it's righteous.
Like, censorship is never righteous.
It is never just.
It is always, always a bad idea.
And it will end with your rights being stripped away.
Even if you think you're just depriving someone else of theirs,
because they're one of the bad guys.
It's just, it's ridiculous.
Yeah, people lack the sophistication to see that.
They are too programmed to believe the next lie that would
justify cramping down on their rights.
So, you know, again, it goes back to them not being strong
enough to stand in front of those lies or those restrictions
that are being put on them and really believe the crisis
or the emergency or the really dangerous thing that they put
out there for them as the excuse.
And just yesterday I released my episode with Mike Bents.
I don't know if you know him.
I was actually, I haven't made it to the whole episode yet.
I just started it.
I'm sucked in already.
Right.
It's amazing because we talk there about that topic specifically.
He's a former State Department executive.
He used to be, he had this super long title when he served
in the government.
But he's a censorship and free speech expert.
And basically he lays down so beautifully in this episode.
He talks so fast.
You may want to do like a slow version of this episode.
He talks about the concept of, that is called Hall of Society.
And he defines Hall of Society as a framework that American
institutions have put in place in order to counter misinformation.
So they gave a really, they took a very fancy term called Hall
of Society.
It sounds very inclusive.
It sounds very nice, right?
And basically he's saying this is a very nasty rhetorical slide
of hand that you can do the same thing that North Korea or China,
Russia or any top down authoritarian regime is doing,
but simply call it Hall of Society collaboration instead of calling it
military control.
And essentially he's saying that there are four categories that are
constantly working or sorry, four categories of institutions that
are constantly working together to do this censorship work,
this counter misinformation alliance, they call it.
And yeah, listen to this, but the Hall of Society means that
they're in constant concert with each other and they cover government
institutions, private sector institutions, civil society
institutions and media institutions.
So four verticals of institutions all working with each other to
counter misinformation.
And this is their framework, the Hall of Society framework.
It's their way of thinking about it and they're countering that
misinformation by censoring it, by doing one of three things,
removing, reducing or informing.
And you see that policy being implemented in big tech companies,
right?
All the social media platforms are now implementing that.
But the collaboration is only happening between those four vectors
because of a carrots and sticks system that is in place.
They are paying, I mean, the government that is working in tandem
with the public sector, with the media, with the private sector
is basically paying them or threatening them.
They are punching them in the piggy bank.
That's how he called it.
It's the same way the mafia operates.
You know, you'll get our protection because he gives, for example,
the protection that Facebook needs from the State Department
overseas in front of the EU, for example, to defend them from the
Digital Services Act, the DSA, which is the, again, the misinformation,
disinformation, hate speech law.
And Facebook doesn't want to get all the heat, all the blow from the EU
and it wants to be protected.
So it works together with the State Department in order to have
that relationship where it does favors for the government in return
of protection against other countries or other establishments around the
world that would cramp down on it because of the whole concept of,
how do you call it, the champions, the American champions.
You have that concept of defending the American companies overseas.
So, and when you start looking at everything we see around us from
that lens, from what he's describing, the whole society framework,
everything starts to make sense all of a sudden.
You understand how all these incentive structures are actually being built.
He is describing the incentive structure, really.
That's what he's doing.
And he goes into a lot of details, not necessarily in my podcast,
which is only an hour and a bit.
If you follow Mike Vance, you know, the guy is crazy how detailed he is
and the examples and he breaks down everything, you know, everything
that's happening in Telegram, Brazil, you know, you name it, geopolitical things,
whatever.
And the other thing he's talking about is the change of definition of democracy.
He says that this, everything I'm talking about, the whole society framework
really upended the entire concept of democracy in the West because they call
the votes of individuals, what you and I used to refer to as the will of the people.
You know, it's by the people, for the people.
They're a threat to democracy because they've redefined it to be about institutions.
So democracy now is about defending democratic institutions.
It's not about defending your vote.
It's not about defending you.
It's about defending democratic institutions.
It's, and it reminds me of COVID of how you change a definition, a term or a definition.
You can really change the whole narrative or the, the ideology, the philosophy around it.
So this is a bit similar because they say the will of the people can go rogue in a democracy
because of demagogues.
They can rile people up, right?
They can, they can get people to revolt.
And really the measure of democracy is not what people vote for.
It's about this safeguarding by democratic institutions such as the media, such as certain government
agencies, such as financial institutions.
And he gives examples like he was talking about the New York Times.
Someone speaking against the New York Times revealing COVID information, for example,
is considered to be a cyber attack against the democracy of the United States.
And that's why they operated those censorship laws or censorship, whatever, acts against
Facebook and YouTube and all of them.
And they could blackmail them into doing that because the whole thing is thwarted.
The whole thing is convoluted now.
So democracy is fucked up and information is fucked up, right?
So you have counter misinformation rules popping up like mushrooms all around the world in one
country after, after the other lockstep, just like COVID.
And you have the definition of democracy being changed to being from respecting the will
of the people to respecting democratic institutions and safeguarding them.
And so you look at those two distinctions from those lens lenses and you ask yourself,
why am I surprised that we live in a clown world if everything is upside down and it
comes from those institutions that are supposed to put governance in place, that are supposed
to protect us, that are supposed to put order in place.
They are mishmashing the order in order to create chaos, in order to bring about a new
world order, right?
So we're essentially on the journey right now into a new world order.
And this is a roadblock.
This is part of it.
You're correctly referencing, you know, abolishing the freedom of speech.
But then at the same time, if you zoom out and you look at it from a zoomed out vertical
perspective, you see all the silos that are playing in this crazy world we're in.
There's the abolition of freedom of speech.
There's the abolition of private property and the cramping down on your, you know, abolishing
cash, cramping down on your rights to hold, you know, whatever is yours in a private manner.
There's the introduction of CBDCs.
Then there's the clamping down on food systems, on farming, on farmland, right?
And information, on speech, on technology, and obviously on education.
Not that we don't see the, you know, the education part for a long time now.
But all of these things are happening in parallel and they're accelerating.
And we're reaching, you know, we're reaching like the end of this process that is really
defined if you go to the United Nations website defined as Agenda 2030.
We're in 2024.
It's almost ending.
There's only five more years until we have to comply with the 16 sustainable development
goals that they've put in place.
They have to fucking ruin our lives, our families, our environment, our climate, our mental capacity,
our physical life, our spiritual life, our religions.
They have to create wars, they have to create chaos and order to bring about a new world
order.
It's that simple.
And anyone that thinks that this is a conspiracy theory, go fucking do the work.
Go do your research.
Go to the UN website.
Read the fucking document.
It's there for you to see.
So until then, until 2030, and I really hope that it's going to end in the next couple
of years because of the will of the people and the and the and the unpredicted predicting
unpredictedness.
I don't know how to say it.
The fact that human beings are not predictable and we can we can create change if we want
to.
So I really hope it ends before 2030.
But if it doesn't, then we are going to still experience a serious of shocks and emergencies
and crises of various sorts all around the world with crazy, stupid, public support or
lack of public support or government support for those crises and the handling the management
of those crises is going to be is going to be crazy.
It's going to be bad.
It's going to be mismanaged.
You know, you're seeing the hurricanes now like government did not come.
Right.
Once again, Maui, where were they?
Why did they block that?
It's like time and time again, you have to just look at the patterns that are repeating.
And you also want to ask yourself whether those all these environmental catastrophes
that we're seeing are all natural or some of them are maybe helped by some geoengineering
that they're so happily communicating about in mainstream media in the last few months.
So things are changing and things are things are in in a very chaotic state and they're
going to continue being chaotic for a little while longer and people really have to take
care of themselves and their families and their communities until the wave is over.
It's like a flood, but it's not.
It's insane how many different things like yesterday's conspiracy theory is tomorrow's
just established fact and no, we never called you a conspiracy theory.
You look at I mean, COVID is ripe with so many different examples of that.
You know, you were you could be de-platformed for saying like, hey, I don't think the vaccines
are safe or effective in any way and they don't stop, you know, transmission and people
still get sick and they don't really seem to work and you can need to keep they're going
to ask you to get boosters forever.
And it's like, nope, that's a conspiracy theory.
They're safe and effective.
People who get the vaccine don't transmit the virus.
They won't get sick.
I think Rochelle Wylanski, CDC director directly there verbatim, but then it's like a little
while later they're like, well, we never said that you wouldn't get the virus or you wouldn't
transmit it.
Now that and it's like, okay, so that that can that conspiracy theory was true.
Geoengineering is another example where it's like, what?
No, all these crackpots saying that, you know, governments and corporations are trying to
do cloud seeding and control the weather.
I mean, that's just that's loony tune stuff.
And then a little while later they're like, yeah, we're very proud with our cloud seeding
technology.
It's really come a long way.
And you're like, oh, hold on.
That was disinformation like a little while ago.
And this happens again and again and again.
And it's so absurd because if you're not paying attention or if you're so inundated with other
information that you just you can't even pay attention to it, you might miss this.
And so you only see the, you know, the after what happens after the acknowledgement that,
yeah, this is there.
And here's why it's a good thing actually.
But if you've been paying attention, you know that all these things that are happening now
that they're just acting as though, yes, that this very matter of fact, yeah, we we do this.
Yes, of course.
It's like they were calling people conspiracy theorists for even suggesting those sorts of
things a very short time ago.
But again, if you're not paying attention, if you haven't been aware, you don't see that
progression.
And I think a lot of times it's only through seeing that progression of how the narrative
shifts, how the propaganda metamorphosizes, that's the only way that you really realize.
Oh, oh, fuck, like they're they are just this is all very purposeful.
Like they are very much doing this on purpose.
They want to quell dissent to suppress speech, to suppress people asking questions until
they're able to get stuff to work well enough where they can come out and say, oh, no, it's
okay, we do this and it's actually very good for you.
You know, actually, it's it's great.
And here's a New York Times op ed about why it's so good for you.
Thank you.
New York Times are dutiful lemmings of totalitarianism.
Like it's it's just insane.
It's insane.
And that's why this whole the the whole misinformation, disinformation, hate speech, that's why it
is such an effective for the state such an effective guys for suppressing speech, because
they can say, well, that's disinformation.
That's hate speech.
It's arbitrary, right?
And basically, if something's inconvenient, it gets one of these labels, you know, as
in, you know, bad information somehow very bad, very dangerous.
But it doesn't matter if later they say, oh, yeah, this is the truth.
Oh, yeah, maybe they're, you know, this virus didn't just spring out of a wet market from
a bat that flew 2000 kilometers away from Southern China.
Maybe there was some maybe there's a chance that came out of a lab there that was funded
by the NIH.
It's like, but the damage is already done because you've already suppressed the people
who were voicing dissent earlier.
And you've already set the precedent that when information is inconvenient for the state
for the powers that be, you can just push it down, get rid of that inconvenient information.
And sadly, you will have hordes of people who will happily cheer that along because they
think that, you know, daddy government is protecting them from this dangerous misinformation.
And I wonder one of the somebody asked a question on Noster for you and it was, how do you, how
do you personally like wade through all like this deluge of information?
How do you find the signal through the noise?
How do you figure out what to pay attention to when there are so many things, you know,
hanging the drum, asking for your attention, how do you, how do you determine the sigh
up from the signal, the signal from the noise?
How do you approach that?
First of all, I think since I'm a content consumption machine already in the last four
years, I don't think I think I've consumed more content than I've consumed in all my
life.
I became very discerning with the sources that I follow and I kind of identified, you
know, my subject matter experts in every topic that I have my go to people for climate.
I have Tom Nelson.
I have, you know, for, for health, I have a few doctors that, you know, I follow for
politics.
I have a few.
So it depends on the topic.
I have go to people that I, whenever something happens in a certain area or topic, I, instead
of, you know, trying to crack my head about it or look for more content, I first go to
these people and see what they wrote about it, what they say about it.
And I, and I, if I need to, I ask them questions.
I talk to them about it.
Alex Craner is amazing with geopolitics, for example.
So there are certain people that I already see as my experts with my discernment.
And the other thing is because I've been covering the topics of health and climate and geoengineering
and, you know, CBTC, of course, for so long, sometimes 15-minute CDs as well, which is
to do with climate.
I, I already, I, and I've read a lot of the source materials, the information, the documents
themselves coming out from the World Economic Forum, the United Nations, the central banks.
I go to central banks websites and download fucking boring white papers, 50-page white
papers, and I read them.
So I do know, I kind of already know how they think, what they plan.
And then when I see news that are related to those topics, it's easy for me to plug
it back to my, you know, my basis understanding of, of their plans.
And so I think if people want to get better at better, better at better at discerning
the content and understanding the signal from the noise, I would recommend to focus on the
topics or the areas that you care about, go find the, you know, bad guys sources, read
their plans, read their documents, understand how they think and what they're planning
to roll out.
And you may see, and then you may see that, you know, they're trying to roll out something,
they're putting like a test balloon out there, and then they take it back, and then they
put another PR, and then they take it back.
Like, and then you become the, you become the, the controller, like you, you look at
it differently.
You don't look at it from a weak point that is kind of sitting there like a leaf in the
wind waiting, waiting for the wind to blow where, oh, the CPTC is coming.
I'm going to be, and this is coming.
No, no, no, you already have your, your, your sources of information in place.
You've learned about those topics.
Now you're kind of waiting to see, okay, bring it on.
What else have you got?
Bring it on.
Bring on your next clown show.
Bring on your next crisis.
Bring on your next, I don't know, phase of CBDC rollout.
They can't surprise me anymore, you know, even with, with like natural catastrophes, as much
as they hurt, I hate to see them, but I know some of the things I look at, you know, Mark
Moss was putting the, yesterday or today was putting an article about the area that is
flooded now because of the hurricane.
It's an area that creates silicon for the silicon wafers, quartz for the silicon wafers
that is used in chips, very specific type of mineral.
That area is now flooded.
Is it a coincidence?
You know, so in a way, and Mark is not doing that because he conspiracy theorists is because
he knows what their plans are and he's seeing the bigger picture and he understands what
kind of supply chains shortages they want to bring about, what is going to help them
to progress more printing of money, what is going to help them to progress more psi off,
more propaganda.
So when you come from that space, because you already know their plans, the stuff that
is happening, all the bullshit that the mainstream media is vomiting every day, all day is becoming
an entertainment.
You're literally like sitting there with popcorn.
And again, I'm not saying I'm happy about the shit that's going down.
It's sick.
But you know, you may as well enjoy the show because it is a fucking show.
They have a plan, they're working according to their plan.
At least they're trying because we, the people are not making it easier on them, but they're
trying.
So they're trying to progress and roll out those plans.
And everything you see from now until 2030, and they have plans until 2050 as well, sorry
to say, is going to be related to that.
And then when I see acts of resistance, and I'm not talking about demonstrations or protests,
I mean, they're fine.
It's good to have them every once in a while, but I'm talking about real acts of non-compliance,
like Bitcoin, or people creating small independent private communities and starting to do circular
economies or acts of resistance like you do a petition that by doing that kind of petition,
you are able to then pass a law.
There are various things that people are doing around the world, which I encourage.
I think taking any action is great.
You don't want to spend too much time in politics, but do the little bit that you can to try
and make a difference.
You know better than me what works in your community.
But when I see those acts, I know to take that, and obviously sometimes are wrong.
And then I will apologize or take it down.
But if I'm not wrong and normally I'm not, I will take that and use that as an example
to show my audience, here's how you do it.
Here's how you fight back.
Here's how you turn, draw, turn your attention to something useful and resist by not playing
that game anymore.
So I hope I answered the question.
I think that's that's excellent advice.
And I think people would do well to to heed that advice and to really go and look at source
material because it otherwise you are always relying on a game of telephone, a third party
account, whether that be from someone on social media, whether that be from mainstream news,
you're relying on someone else to do the work for you.
Exactly.
And that's fine for some things because we need some of those people, like you said,
certain as experts that you have come to trust.
That's a good thing because we can't possibly filter all the information.
You need information filters.
And so a certain amount of trust is good.
But you should make sure that you can trust those sources, that they are going through
the source material.
And for certain things, it's very much in your best interest to go and look at the source
material yourself to do your own research like that, you know, that's not a that's not
a far right talking point to say to your own research.
That's just what it's what you should do, right?
It's called using your brain.
You know, sure.
Look, there are people, independent journalists that I follow all around the world on various
topics.
You know, Abu Bakar in Nigeria is doing amazing work.
There's a girl called Rebecca Barnett in Perth in Australia.
She covers health in Australia.
I have Alaska's in Germany.
Like all these people showed up since 2020, 2021.
They cover their own vectors and their own jurisdictions and they are doing phenomenal
work because they're doing what I'm doing.
They're taking the source materials, they're analyzing it, putting it out there for their
readers.
They will give you the sources.
James Corbett, he is one of the best, the Corbett report.
I don't know if you know that, but the Corbett report is a wealth of knowledge and all these
people either have their own websites or they have their own substacks.
Some of them have Twitter as well, but they when you have direct like like Bitcoin, you
have direct communication with the journalist and it's not through this mainstream media
publication or this TV channel or whatever.
You can you can engage with them.
You can ask them questions.
You can comment.
You can check because they put the link so you can go and check what they're saying.
You become a smarter consumer of information and you use your discernment.
One of the most helpful tools for the next few years is going to be developing our discernment
abilities.
And you got to work in order to do that.
And you need a place to be able to receive that information and discern that information
free from the potential for deep platforming for yourself or for those people that you're
following.
And this is the thing, you mentioned stuff.
Okay.
Having your own website, great.
Substack good, maybe not as great as your own website, but even your website, websites
can be taken down easily.
This is why and something I wanted to bring up with you as well is Noster.
We have Bitcoin.
We have a free and open source protocol for money, but we need that free and open source
communication protocol.
And I think I think I may have actually found you on Noster and started interacting before
I found you on Twitter.
I'm trying to remember what the order of operations was.
No, I don't think so.
It's possible not, but you started becoming extremely active on Noster.
I hope for, I know we've got a lot of folks on Noster who listened to this show, but there
may be a lot of people who still don't.
I try to bring up Noster as much as possible because I think like Bitcoin, it is one of
these tools in your toolkit that is going to be incredibly valuable and necessary in
the years to come.
A lot of people don't get to something though.
They don't adopt Bitcoin or they don't adopt Noster until they're forced to, right?
And they need pain.
Oh yeah.
You can do it before.
Like you just have to make a choice.
Oh yeah, 100%.
I really struggled with Noster at the beginning.
I was there for a few months, but I couldn't figure it out and I'm like, damn this thing,
I'm never going to get it to work.
I'm not going to crack the algorithm.
I'm not going to get those followers.
And at one point I just decided, I'm just going to be putting content there.
I don't give a fuck about the followers.
We'll see what happens.
And it started working.
So that's good.
But it's not easy for content creators to be on Noster yet.
It needs to still develop and mature.
And we're early, right?
We're early and I give Noster the benefit of the doubt.
I understand that.
I think it's an amazing protocol because the fact that you can now build as many clients
as you want on top of this protocol helps us become, again, more decentralized and more
secure as a community, as a collective.
We obviously cannot protect our content like you and I, for example, putting our shorts
or our videos or articles on Noster or on some of the clients.
We still go through relays that can be taken down.
They're centralized servers.
And unless you host it yourself or whatever, again, you really have to work if you want
to be completely protected.
So it has its weak points, but it's still way, way, way, way better than anything else
that is out there right now.
And that's why I'm eager to continue building my social graph and the fact.
And why is this a long-term investment just like Bitcoin?
The fact that I know that I can take my social graph with me is amazing.
I will invest the time.
Of course, if Primal doesn't work for me, I'll go somewhere else.
I'll have whatever, Damos or all the different clients that I'm using, I can switch between
them.
We create a healthy market competition between them.
Awesome.
Bring it on.
I love that.
I love a few things about it.
So the social graph and the fact that we can create competition in this space, the fact
that we can develop much more than just social media apps that are using this protocol.
But I don't think this is on top of Nostar Kete.
It's not on top of Nostar.
No, but it is awesome.
It is really awesome.
It's a peer-to-peer.
Yeah, it's awesome as well.
But we're going to have Satlantis soon.
There are going to be so many services and apps being built on top of Nostar that we
are not even thinking right now.
We're not even imagining right now.
It has all the foundations that you need in order to win the battle of Internet 2.0 and
all the crap, defiant, web3, crappy, crypto, shitty stuff.
It's got the social element.
It's got the protocol.
It's got the decentralization.
It's got the fact that you can do media.
It's got so many things.
When I saw the integration, the recent integration that Fountain did with Nostar, I was so happy.
It was like, great, these are the kind of things we need, right?
You guys add it to your apps.
It works.
Now I see people that write notes on Nostar show up on my Fountain feed.
When they zap me there, I get it.
This is great.
I love it.
It's like magic.
That Fountain integration was really brilliant.
I got the chance to beta test that a little bit.
I was like, oh, you guys, this is awesome.
It's an example of this protocol being tied into something that already exists, into an
existing product, Fountain, and making that product so much better.
Instead of trying to create your own closed social network within Fountain, it's open
to all of Nostar.
That's the incredible thing.
I think for content creators right now, if you're just starting out on Nostar, there
can be a challenge, right?
But the beauty of it is because we are so early, you will grow as that network grows.
You benefit from that network effect.
I think too, for people who already have large followings on other social media platforms,
not protocols, but platforms, you can bring those followers with you over to Nostar.
Then actually, I don't want to say own your followers because that sounds somehow like,
you're not owning another person, but you do own that follower list, right?
You own that distribution mechanism.
You rightly pointed out, yeah, if you're only using other people's relays, sure, there's
a chance that one relake and censor you, your image hosting service you use could be shut
down.
Sure, very valid.
The beauty here is there are so many different throats.
I like to talk about Nostar like a Hydra.
You cut off one head, two more pop up in this place, and they both bite you in the ass.
It's beautiful because there's no single throat to choke.
It's spreading out that threat vector so that they can't possibly attack everyone.
But Walker, what do you think about the onboarding experience?
It's really difficult.
I think it's gotten better.
I think a lot of clients have focused on it.
I'll occasionally just do a new user onboarding experience on clients that I use.
I use Domus and Primal every day, both of them.
I've also used Amethyst and occasionally Iris and Snort.
But I'll occasionally just spin up a new user.
I'm not just talking from a product perspective.
I'm also talking from a marketing perspective, like user experience, but not the actual features.
The fact that we don't have, we, when I say we, I mean you and I as part of the marketing
team of Bitcoin and Nostar.
Of course.
We don't have a CMO.
We don't have a centralized entity that will now fix the website and put the campaign out
there and work on the messaging and make sure that when someone goes into the client, they
are greeted and they have their walkthrough of what they need to do.
So each app will take care of it in its own way.
And we have to kind of trust that it will be fine.
That's the good with the bad of the decentralization.
The fact that you have a system that no one owns and there is no CEO and there is no chief
marketing officer office that you can go and complain.
It's the good with the bad because people will have a harder time understanding.
Hold on.
Where am I?
What am I doing here?
What do I do next?
This is normal, natural for every person.
Even me when I'm very, very tech savvy and I am a marketer and I love social media.
I mean, used to love social media.
I had a hard time.
So I'm sure if I had a hard time, people will have a hard time to onboard and to start working
with it.
No, absolutely.
And I think what I think the beauty of this is, is that free market competition ultimately
wins out in the end.
Because as you said, there are every client's going to take a different approach to this.
I was talking with Vitor Pamplona who created Amethyst.
He says, we purposefully have no user onboarding because we want users to discover how to use
the app, how to use the protocol as well by asking questions of other people.
By saying, how does this work?
And I thought, I mean, it's a very different approach.
It is bold.
But he's trying that.
Primal has a different onboarding flow.
Damos has another.
You know, excuse me, Iris has a different one, Snort has a different one.
And they're going to all work on that.
They're all going to do what they think is best for their users.
Because some of them are going to be right.
Some of them are going to be wrong.
Some of them are going to be halfway right and halfway wrong.
And that's kind of a beautiful thing.
It's letting the market figure out and people will vote, you know, vote with their feet,
but with where they're putting their time into which application they're using, which
client they're using.
And I think ultimately that may, that certainly creates a slower start.
It creates more headwinds at the beginning.
But I think in the long run, it results in better user experiences because there is always
optionality.
Like, there's one onboarding experience for X because there's one X.
There's one onboarding experience for Instagram because there's one Instagram.
Same for Facebook, same for YouTube.
There's potentially infinite onboarding experiences for Noster because there's potentially infinite
clients different ways to interact with the protocol.
And while that may be messy and chaotic and confusing, I think in the long run that provides
a better user experience on the whole, because again, people at least have the option.
They have the ability to choose.
And I think that having the choice, that is powerful.
100%.
Look, I'm in it because of that.
I love the option.
I love, I mean, what is life?
Life is free will.
I'm sorry, I'm getting philosophical all the time, but it's like, you want free will.
And this is what Bitcoin gives you.
This is what Noster gives you.
It's permissionless.
You don't have authority.
You don't have permission.
You don't have, you know, any sticks and carrots here.
This is all based on free will.
This is why it's so natural and close to source, close to divine creation.
I love that.
And I'm so pumped to see where this ecosystem, technological ecosystem is going to go in the
next few years.
I'm coming from a tech background, you know, being 20 years around tech startups and seeing
whole industries being built from the moment I got into Bitcoin, I was like, I went to
Amsterdam last year.
It was my first conference.
I looked around at the startups and the level of maturity of the technologies that they
are releasing to the market, including Noster.
I was like, seriously?
This is it?
Like this is, this is like child's game.
This is like playground.
This is, this is, it's a baby.
Bitcoin's a baby, you know, and Noster is a baby.
Everything, they're babies.
There is so much more to come, not just with the Bitcoin price, not just with the size
of the network when people say we're so early, but really with the technology itself, you're
going to see this thing changing reality, changing lives, changing so many things.
It has the potential to do that.
I know from an investor perspective, it's so difficult to get startups to succeed because
of the, because of the competition with the Bitcoin price, right?
The fact that they are earning in Bitcoin, they have to do really, really well in order
to return the investment to their, to their investors.
It's a challenge to bring more companies to this space.
You're not going to see the quantity, you're going to see the quality instead.
In crypto, you're going to see the quantity, quantity, quantity.
There's Fiat money for everyone to hand out.
Let's tokenize every fart that we do and create another company and BlackRock will buy our
farts and we'll make tokens out of them.
And it's like, yay, let's continue playing the same old rigged game.
Whereas in Bitcoin, it's like, you have a selection process here.
It's like evolution.
You, the only the good will, the, the, the best will be able to create value in this
ecosystem and be able to bring value to their investors, to their consu, to their subscribers,
to their customers.
So this space is very different from any technological space that I've been at.
And I've been in the autonomous cars and drones space.
I've been in the TV and video space.
I've been in the commercial real estate space.
I've been to many industries in my career and I've seen them growing and maturing.
Nothing Bitcoin is nothing like anything that I've seen before.
It's going to bring a very, very interesting, very interesting trajectory to our lives because
it's going to be based on high quality products.
And it's going to be based on real value and it's going to bring consumers way closer
to the developers and the, and the, the actual companies.
It's like in, in, in marketing, you have B2B, B2C, you know, when you sell direct to consumers,
D2C, then you get as close as you can to the end user.
In Bitcoin, you're always in front of the end user.
It's like there is no intermediary.
And it's so interesting because it creates another level of relationship.
Like you need more trust between the company and the, and the subscriber or the consumer
or the, the customer.
I hate the word consumer.
You need, you need less friction.
You need more care.
You need to actually care about your customers because they really can literally can vote
with their feet at any moment to replace you with something else.
So this is better.
So that it brings, I mean, the nature of Bitcoin brings so many interesting properties and
characteristics to the ecosystem of this, of this magical creation called Bitcoin.
I'm super excited to see what's going to come out in the next few years.
Amen to that.
And it is such an interesting thing you mentioned about trust because it's somewhat paradoxically,
perhaps because Bitcoin is trust less, much more trust is required in people or in companies
who are providing a service on top of that because the bar is so high.
The bar for excellence is so high and people can, you know, anyone can build on top of
the Bitcoin protocol like anyone can build on top of Noester.
People are going to have options.
People have options.
They will continue having more.
It's not like there's just one, you know, like there's one PayPal, right?
And then you've got Venmo, which was then bought by PayPal.
So now there's still just one PayPal, right?
No, no, no.
Bitcoin, you have options.
Noester, you have options.
And that like optionality, that's the spice of life, right?
That's beautiful.
And it ultimately, well, it makes it really hard.
And I have so much respect for entrepreneurs building on top of open protocols because,
yeah, you don't have to ask permission to build, but man, it's not easy.
It's not easy to build a viable business on top of that, especially as you mentioned
with Bitcoin, where you're constantly measured against, well, how well it's not how much
money your company is making.
What is your company worth relative to Bitcoin?
Are you doing better than Bitcoin, the best performing asset in the world?
Which is that's that's a really high bar.
So I'm here at Preston talking about it and I go, oh, poor entrepreneurs.
I know it's it's rough.
But thank God I'm not there to like present in front of pitch in front of Preston or or
Jeff Booth.
Because, you know, it's hard.
It's objectively very difficult, much more difficult than setting up any other business
in any other vector today, I think.
Yeah, I agree with you.
They're going to be stronger for it.
Like the ones that come out the other side are going to be rock solid and built on solid
principles with good ethos.
And that gives me a lot of hope.
And I've just realized we've been rolling almost two hours now.
The time the time flew right by you helped me.
You helped me ignore the missiles around you.
So thank you.
I'm glad I'm glad you're still glad you're still here with us right now.
And this was such an absolute pleasure to talk with you more.
I enjoyed so much our time in Nashville.
This time we're separated.
We don't have any drinks in front of us.
We'll have to remedy that next time.
But any final message that anything we didn't cover, anything else you want to put out there
before I just ask you where you want to send people, then I have one more completely unrelated
to everything question that's just a little.
Okay.
Look, I think we've covered a lot of things that could be a little bit tough for people.
And yeah, it's like part of my reality.
I have to deal with a lot of that stuff in my day to day lives.
But it doesn't mean that I have a tough life or a bad life.
I like I'm in total acceptance of my life the way they are.
And I don't want people to think that, you know, if you live in a certain place, obviously
I feel privileged to be in Israel and not in Gaza right now.
But I don't want people to feel sorry for people.
I want, I just because, you know, I encourage sovereignty.
This is what my podcast is about.
I encourage sovereignty and I, I try to get people away from feeling like victims.
So even when you are in the harshest realities and circumstances, you can always find the
power and the strength to bring yourself up and to develop your sovereignty to acquire
the knowledge that you need in order to help yourself snap out of a bad situation.
And yeah, many people are suffering and we need to help those who are in need as much
as we can.
And every person on an individual level can draw, draw hope from the fact that around
us there are other like minded people like us that are willing to help others that are
willing to look reality in the face, the tough reality in the face and speak about it and
not shy away from it and not hide from it and not pretend that it doesn't exist because
life sucks for many people these days.
And I think that you have to be courageous, but also very compassionate in order to, to
talk about those things and to not ignore them, but still bring them to light, but in
a way that will go down people's throats in a, in a palatable way.
And so for me, where, where I draw hope from is the fact that I can find other like minded
people like me that have the willingness to help to create bridges, to find what's common
rather than what divides us to keep an open heart and be able to give to others and see
others and love others even when they hate you.
And you know, that's good souls exist out there.
I'm, I'm meeting them every time I go out to a Bitcoin conference, I meet those people
and I am so humble and so I'm like, I'm super thankful for the fact that I'm surrounded
by those kind of people.
I don't take it.
How do you say don't take it for granted, right?
And you want to surround yourself by people who invest their life and energy in service
of humanity because that is going to bring also a change in your life and you have the
opportunity to try and balance and stabilize some of this madness in this clown world around
us.
So yeah, that's, that's what I draw hope from.
And yeah, the love that I have for friends and family and people and the fact that I've
discovered Bitcoin makes me a lot more hopeful because I can see the future even if I don't
live that future right now, I can see what is possible and that inspires me.
I think that is a, I couldn't imagine a more beautiful note to end on.
Efra, where would you like to send people?
Go to the link in the show notes.
I'll put one link is my link tree and it's got everything.
It's got my Noster, my Twitter, my sub stack where I write.
You can read my articles.
It's got my podcast, you're the voice.
It's got, it's got everything that you're making it easy.
Okay.
I'm making it easy for you.
Just one link.
One link.
Wow.
And you can zap me anywhere you want.
Yes.
Go find, find Efra Zapper.
Last unrelated question.
Are you reading anything right now that you would recommend?
Yeah.
Perhaps it's source material or perhaps a book.
I'm reading several books right now because I read like in parallel.
I read Jimmy Song's Fiat Ruins Everything.
I'm reading Eric Kason's Crypto Sovereignty.
I'm reading Neil Patel Almost Done, the small book, the red book.
What's it called?
The, the, the Bitcoin, forget it's the small, very, very slim book from Neil Patel, like
the basics of psychology, economy and technology of Bitcoin.
Very cool.
What else am I reading?
I have, oh, I'm reading the psychology of totalitarianism by Professor Montiés Desmet.
Oh, wow.
That sounds right up my alley.
Exactly.
It's a great book and he's a wonderful psychologist that you want to follow.
I'm actually going to do something with him soon.
So stay tuned.
Yeah.
I think these are, I have so many more books.
So that's it.
That's it.
Yeah.
Not a long list or anything.
Just a, not a long list.
And I'm reading CBDC articles and all those boring white papers from central banks that
you don't want to read and I'm reading them for you.
So come meet me in the conferences and I'll speak about what's important from those boring
documents.
Amazing.
Well, this was a true pleasure.
Bitcoin is scarce, but Bitcoin podcasts are abundant.
So thank you for spending your scarce time to come on another fucking Bitcoin podcast.
Hopefully it's been a pleasure to have you.
Walker, thank you so much.
You're awesome.
And I loved hanging out with you and Carla and Nashville.
I hope to do it again soon.
Yeah.
We need a reunion ASAP.
For sure.
All right.