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Folks, we have a special show today.

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This is an intellectual Silk Road episode.

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Rod Palmer still out of commission, but he will be back soon.

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Today joining me is Avi Burra of the Plep Chain Radio podcast.

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Plep Chain Radio, I think, was the second podcast I ever went on after starting the Beagle.

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they have been some of the biggest supporter supporters of our show of our of the bugle in

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general and i'm a huge fan of the stuff that avi is doing i'm excited to get into this uh

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avi what do you what do you got going on how you doing tonight i'm doing well and happy to be here

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mr greaser uh big fan of the bugle i might have been one of the first listeners of the bugle

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podcast, definitely one of the first boosters, if I'm not mistaken. I remember listening to your

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first episode, and you had this intro with Joe Rogan and Morgan Freeman and all these others,

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and I thought that was one of the best podcast intros I'd heard. I mean, now you've been doing

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it for so long that people can't expect it. But at that time, in the first Bugle episode,

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when you had that three or four minute long intro

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with all of these voices.

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It was, yeah, it was quite something.

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So yes, big fan of the show.

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And yeah, so you asked, what have I got going on?

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I have a few things going on.

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Plep Chain Radio, as you mentioned,

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it's a weekly ongoing podcast.

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We stream live on Noster

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and then it's up on Fountain

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and other podcasting platforms.

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The next day, I also have a travel show called Finding Home, and this is video.

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And it's sort of Anthony Bourdain inspired.

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I travel the world, talk to Bitcoiners, preferably not about Bitcoin, but more about the lives they're leading, how they're finding home in a new land.

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And we try to eat delicious food, walk around the town, talk about the architecture and so on.

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And Bitcoin does creep in.

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uh, somehow. But, uh, yeah, I have that going on two officially released episodes.

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Third one, uh, in post-production should be out in about a month. And the fourth one was just

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recorded, uh, in, in the UK. Uh, so that'll be out sometime in March. Uh, and then the other thing I

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have going on is, uh, I'm also an author. Uh, I write fiction, surrealist, uh, magic realist,

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mystery thrillers, whatever you want to call them,

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with Bitcoin as a fairly core theme.

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I've just released my second novel.

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It's called July 18.

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It's the sequel to my first one, 24,

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which I released in 2023.

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So yeah, I have that going on.

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And then I'm tinkering.

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I'm also a technologist,

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so I'm tinkering around with some Web of Trust stuff on NOSTA.

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I have a company.

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I co-founded it called NOS Fabrica.

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Very cool.

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yeah i'm looking on indie hub right now i only see episode two i didn't watch episode one yet

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it should be there it should be there on indie hub if you will find it eventually

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but yeah i i thought that was good it is a cool travel show it's um

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better than the stuff that the the trash that they're putting out pbs i would say i think you

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have a bright career ahead of you in regards to travel um i've been meaning to uh read your books

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and i have not gotten around to it i feel real bad about that they're big books it takes time

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these are not quick reads do you have the audiobook out yet no uh i don't and that that is a project

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in and of itself.

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First of all, like I said,

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they're long books.

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So the first one is about 150,000 words.

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which I just released,

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is about 180,000 words.

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maybe 20-hour commitment

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to record each one.

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which I haven't fully figured out,

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is because they're books of fiction

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maybe it's just a matter of sitting down and doing it and seeing what it sounds like

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but because there are multiple voices and some male, some female

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do I just read in a monotone all of these voices

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yeah, so a lot of things to juggle

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but at some point there will be audiobooks, yes

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readers they do impressions i'm curious like you know how would you do like a hot girl

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impression of her voice versus a not hot girl oh um i don't know actually um maybe just make it

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more the hot girl impression would be more breathy i suppose husky huskier voice but

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obviously i'd have to hire the pitch i'm not particularly good at uh impressions

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richard so i'd probably end up completely botching it and and offending people in the process

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what you could even do is, you know, for the hot ones,

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you could have like a Lynn Alden impression or like a cloned voice.

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What's her name? Ferguson or Ferguson?

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which is there is 11 labs, which is really good for AI-generated voices.

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that might be something to look into actually that i could pick do it on 11 labs and then i

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could just do the narrator voice oh you might have solved my problem there richard yeah i think i

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think like having the hot girls be lynn alden or gloria zow and not hot ones be efrat fennigson

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and Michelle Weakley would be great.

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I would listen to that.

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And then all the male voices could be you.

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Or I could just use 11 Labs.

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You can clone anybody's voice that you want to.

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So have you actually, have you used 11 labs?

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So I did a podcast of a brief experiment where I was talking to Claude and I had Claude's.

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So it was basically performance art using AI.

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and you need to speak the sentence in the same voice.

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but the standard ones have pretty strict controls out there.

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Well, just for the CIA assets.

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They protect those ones.

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They got Zelensky flagged.

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They're like, yeah, this guy, we can't have anybody cloning his voice,

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but any Joe Schmo out there.

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is you just put them into 11 labs

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That's a good point.

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What does the writing process look like for you?

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Those are some pretty lengthy books.

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how do you organize it do you use any sort of specific software i mean i'm in the middle of a

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few books i just keep on uh getting distracted with other projects i would think fiction is a

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little different from non-fiction um i have you know when i start the story i have a general sense

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of what's going to happen, like very broad strokes plot.

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I'd write something.

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I definitely have one chapter planned out.

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and each scene up by beats, right?

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it's easy to plan one scene out, right?

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There's five or six beats.

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which is about three pages maybe two or double that So it easy to think that far ahead And I plan that out I write out the scene And within that that might trigger a new thought

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something that I hadn't thought about, a new idea.

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I'm able to structure that

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or modify the initial idea I had there.

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it changed constantly as I was writing it.

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Was that pretty painful?

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Not really.

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Or you had to go back and rewrite things pretty frequently?

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because the plot lines are pretty intricate

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when I wanted a certain outcome,

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let's say chapter 10,

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I needed to go back to chapter four and change something so that it would line up with that.

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But it wasn't a lot of that. So the first book I wrote, I had zero AI help. So that was 24.

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I wrote that in 2023. In fact, so ChatGPT was in its very early days then. I wrote most of the book

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in 2022 and early 2023. And the only time I used ChatGPT is where I needed some German text.

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So I needed something to be translated in German.

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That's what I used it for.

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for line and copy editing for the first part.

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I'd put it into Gemini and I'd say,

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hey, find all the issues, syntax, whatever,

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and it would flag a few things.

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Can I reframe it or is it coming across?

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And it would have, most of the time, I didn't directly take the AI suggestions.

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But a lot of times it would give me an idea which I would then take and put my own tweak on it,

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something that I might not have thought about.

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So July 18th was a very interesting process, sort of interactive with AI, write something, put it into AI.

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AI comes back with something, that triggers another thought that helps me tweak something.

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So no, it wasn't frustrating at all.

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And so the difference between 24, the first novel, and July 18 is when I then put it in the hands of the human editor,

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24 took forever because there were all sorts of mistakes in it.

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Syntax errors, you know, like putting the comma outside the quote rather than inside the quote.

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Those kinds of basic things, those errors were 99.9% eliminated with July 18 because the AI just cleaned all of that stuff up.

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Well, I imagine one of the great things about the type of audience that's reading your book is in the early runs of it,

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it's pretty easy to get grammar Nazis to go in and correct any errors that the editor missed.

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You know how Bitcoin people are.

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So what are the ideas that you're trying to communicate in the book or in the books?

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I think broadly, right?

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As a Bitcoiner, I believe that this movement or whatever you want to call this revolution is only going to be successful with maximal adoption.

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so how do we get as many people into the fold

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into understanding Bitcoin and using it as money

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you can certainly lecture them about

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economics and so on and I'm sure that has an audience

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but I think it's a very limited audience that's swayed by those types of

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pedantic academic arguments

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I think the vast majority of adoption is going to happen through stories.

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And so that really is the idea to talk, really tell very human stories, stories that I want to tell, first of all.

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Both books are about a young man grappling with the unexpected death of his father and stumbling onto a secret and learning things about his father that he didn't know while his father was alive.

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And in the process, discovering something about himself.

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but Bitcoin is very much a part of it as an underlying theme.

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So the idea is that people reading it connect with that human story

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and then in the process, because Bitcoin is just so omnipresent,

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they say, what is this thing?

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Maybe I should look into this.

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And this is the idea behind my show as well, Finding Home.

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It's telling inspiring stories of people doing amazing things,

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of pioneers building things in a new land.

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And then there's food and, you know, there's architecture,

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there's fun conversations, and then Bitcoin is just there

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in the background.

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And, you know, that's how I think we drive maximal adoption

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is through stories, is through film, is through art,

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through music and other cultural media.

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i'm very i mean these are ideas that i've been trying to propagate as well

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because i think the storytelling is uh has been historically pretty shallow

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there there's some there's some shining examples

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of individuals who are compelling storytellers but a good story this is why i like alice shrug

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so much is because it is it's a very compelling story it's a compelling story talking about human

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uh dignity and like you know individuals are like really reclaiming a sense of self and purpose or

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or just maintaining a sense of self and purpose in a world that just does it actually despises

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people that have a sense of self and purpose and are willing to use their minds and i think that's

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such a relevant and compelling story in our age that we find ourselves in.

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And I think it's wonderful that you're doing that.

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And I think there is so much nihilism and so much doomerism in the world today, especially.

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I mean, when Anwar wrote At The Shrugged, I don't think it could have been as bad as it is right now.

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Like we're in late stage modernism where, you know, throwing, destroying priceless works of art is considered a major statement, right?

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The people throwing soup on these magnificent paintings because climate change or whatever, right?

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We are in such deep nihilistic territory that to have stories that are soaring about the human spirit, aspirational, that create hope, I think is critically important.

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And, you know, again, Ayn Rand obviously wrote her books, both The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, during a time where things might not have been as bleak, but they still were soaring epics, right?

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of people trying, like you said, reclaiming their sovereignty,

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finding hope despite all the trials and tribulations

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they have to go through in the process.

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It was a really interesting time in history.

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The Fountainhead was written, well, she started writing it in 1938,

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published it in 1943, and Atlas shrugged it right after it, 1946.

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is when she started writing it.

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So it took her 11 years to write Atlas Shrugged,

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so she published it in 1957.

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That was an interesting time in history.

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I mean, right around World War II,

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right, a few years after the Great Depression.

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Was she in New York?

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I can't remember.

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Where was she?

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I think she lived around a little bit.

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She was in L.A. for a little bit

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because she was trying to be an actress.

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is but i do think she spent some time in new york yeah right uh you know it was a few years after

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the great depression and world war ii just begun uh and then world war ii ended by presume right

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you did you say 1957 was when she published after shrugged yeah and that so that was that

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that strange era of rebuilding picking up the pieces right about to enter the madman era certainly

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in New York, but also other parts of the country.

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Yeah, it was certainly a very interesting time.

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A book that I really enjoyed and I think was informative for me,

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was written right around the same time as The Fountainhead,

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was The Robs of Serfden by Hayek, published in 1944.

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And I think that's another book that's very relevant

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to the stuff that we're seeing today.

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you know and rand i think her perspective was informed in a unique way by having an outsider

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view from coming from the soviet union so she you know what hayek was seeing was all these

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different ideologies fascism communism really you know playing her out uh in the communities that he

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was in i think he was in the uk you know and there there were a bunch of people slurping up

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communist pleb slop and fascist pleb slop and um you know and that was you know his reaction to that you know it was commentary on the the economics of these different systems and uh you know advocating for free markets and uh you know rand coming to the u you know from the soviet

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union viewing that and seeing these communists you know run around propagating these ideas i bet it

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was pretty alarming for her you know coming to a society that was significantly more open and free

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and seeing people propagate ideas that you know she thought would lead to um

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just you know destruction and uh

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it's it's i think the striking thing for me

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one of the things i try and explain to people oftentimes is that you know things really haven't

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changed in a lot of ways like people are just as retarded today as if they as they have ever been

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and um like the the themes that you see in these stories are irrelevant they they they repeat over

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and over again and uh i think one of the importances of a good story and being a good

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storyteller is having relevance for a long time you know because if you really tap into something

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that's real and it's true it's not just like you're you're doing commentary for what's

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happening in the moment uh but you're doing commentary on just the uh

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human condition in a lot of ways but so you talk about these characters uh you know this man

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or this boy who loses his father like where where do you get inspiration for these characters how do

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you develop them and uh you know what does that process look like because i think a good author

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is just so effective at understanding people and bringing depth into their characters making

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them realistic like that's what draws somebody into a story uh so what did that process look

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like for you? Yes. Sorry. My mic got cut off. Can you hear me? Okay. You know, there wasn't,

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this is not something that happened to me, right? Because my parents are very much

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still alive and around. And my father certainly didn't leave any secrets behind.

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um but uh how did i find this character i don't know i just it just came to me i

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i i have this idea about well you know so here's here's the funny thing right uh so this is a young

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man in in his early 20s right who's the protagonist and um and and then you know his father uh

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son dies suddenly the father's in his early 50s and then you know he through visions and so on he's

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he finds out these secrets about his father. After I wrote the book, I felt really pleased

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with myself, 24, right? And then July 18th as well, of course, the sequel. But after 24,

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I was thinking about it saying, sort of pondering the similar question that you brought up,

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where did this come from? And if you think about it, these are archetypical stories, right?

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A young man communicating with a ghost of his dead father who leads him to a dangerous secret.

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I mean, the most famous one is Hamlet, right?

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And then that story sort of recurs through literature.

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So maybe it was just the subconscious echo of all the books and plays and whatnot that I, you know, that seeped in through osmosis that created the idea for this, right? Because it is essentially a variation of Hamlet. Young man's father suddenly dies and his ghost leads him to a very dangerous secret about a life that he had no idea existed.

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all right we had technical difficulties and had to stop uh lost the train of thought um

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you know podcast is hard work it is yeah i like to i like to challenge people you know there's a

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lot of people that sit on the peanut gallery and they're like they they got strong opinions about

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things but they don't have a podcast and i like to tell them like why don't you start a podcast

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like Mr. HODL.

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What's that guy doing with his life?

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Is that a Twitter personality?

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I'm so out of touch with what's happening on Twitter now.

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Yeah, he's like a long, long time Twitter personality

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who thinks he has a really important opinion.

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And he sits in Twitter spaces and argues with Nazis all day about nothing.

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but he had like one good exchange back in the block size wars with uh

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jihon woo and now he thinks he's uh he's cool but it is interesting so i don't know this person

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specifically but there's a general trend with a lot of bitcoin influencers especially

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where people are famous for reasons that are completely unclear to me and then i find out

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oh, this guy did a rant once and it went viral.

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Or he said something,

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or there was three times on Clubhouse

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where he said something interesting back in 2021.

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And now, you know, he's one of the biggest,

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or she's one of the biggest Bitcoin influencers.

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It's just bizarre to me how fame or infamy

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or whatever you want to call it,

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is earned in this space.

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Are you talking about American Honol?

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Well, no person in general, or rather no person in particular, but there seems to be a general trend with a lot of Bitcoin influencers.

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Yeah, it is strange.

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I mean, internet virality is a very weird phenomenon that you kind of see across the board.

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Like Hawk Tua was the most recent example of this, where she was the hottest thing in the world until she rug pulled her meme coin.

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It is absolutely bizarre to me how that person rose to that level of fame and fortune, presumably.

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For, yeah, for a viral video, that was pretty stupid, right?

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I mean, there was nothing intelligent about what happened in that 10-second exchange or 15-second exchange that went viral.

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And yet, you know, a person suddenly has 500,000 or a million subscribers or followers or whatever you want to call it.

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And it's all the rage.

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It's being invited to speak on TV shows and podcasts and whatnot.

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Amazing.

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would you have her on pleb chain radio absolutely not i would have her on the beagle for sure

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i've been trying to get her on the beagle what would you talk about

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well she i want to know what she thinks of ross and uh probably technique i don't know i'm sure

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there's plenty to talk to her about that was the weird thing is she right when she was blowing up

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she showed up at the Bitcoin conference.

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She did.

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And she was running around.

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She's talking about free Ross.

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It was all,

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it was all very,

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you know,

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strange.

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And then she launched a shit coin.

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And,

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uh,

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yeah,

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I don't know.

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Internet,

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internet virality is,

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is very strange.

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I don't know how much of it's manufactured.

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It's hard,

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it's hard to tell,

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uh,

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what's,

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what's real in the world we live in,

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you know,

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where these people come from.

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And,

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because um i do think there are individuals that have the ability to pull levers and make people

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into something that might not be very significant but you just think about like there's some

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blonde girls some hot blonde girls out there that has been putting the hours in day after day making

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tiktok videos showing you know videos of her flexing her butt and yoga pants and all of a

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sudden hock to a girl comes up on the scene like how does that make yoga pants girl feel

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yeah maybe it is manufactured a virality maybe there is some hidden hand that's looking to

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promote certain people and it has its ways of doing it. Who knows? It makes me wonder. I mean,

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just going back to the Bitcoin space, 95% of the people in Bitcoin,

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if I had to pick a number, right, I'd say 95%. You listen to them and it makes no sense.

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How do these people have such large followings? How do they, I mean, you call it pleb slop, Richard, I call it influencer slop, right? Regurgitating the same old tired lines about NGU or about how terrible the state is. And it is bizarre to me.

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And then you have, you know, incredible podcasts like Ungovernable Misfits and What Do You Guys Do and others.

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And it like there not much What was the Otis Bitmeyer one Sound Coffee That one of my new favorite podcasts right Fundamentals does amazing podcasts and talking about real things having real conversations

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with real people. And you see nothing there. Minimal recognition or reward of any sort,

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other than the work itself, presumably, right? But there doesn't seem to be too much resonance

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from the external world for, you know, frankly, very, very good content.

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Well, I think it's because, and why is plebslop effective?

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Is, in many ways, Bitcoin is like, learning about it is a process of de-retardization.

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because most of the time individuals don't have to learn about anything ever they they they just

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the what the learning process is is it's it's memorizing um is why i never liked math in school

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like math was interesting from like a puzzle standpoint but like algebra i like geometry

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tree more than algebra but algebra is just about memorizing uh formulas essentially over and over

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again and uh like you could you could solve any problem if you know the correct formula

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uh which is you know kind of a way lame way to learn in my opinion but that's that's how you know

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the fiat world teaches people essentially is like this is the formula you you check this box and you

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You ask this question to this person, you push this paper this direction, and you do this thing.

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But there's not a lot of creative thought that is encouraged.

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And so I think they're attracted to that.

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They're attracted to things because Bitcoin is a difficult concept to understand because it's very abstract.

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Like you have to listen to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcast a week to understand it.

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And most people aren't willing to do that because that competes with Netflix time or, you know, whatever else, sports ball.

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And, you know, but for individuals that are learning about it, you know, oftentimes it's one of the first things they've ever actually spent the time to actually learn about.

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And one of the parts, you know, that's interesting about Bitcoin is it's interactive.

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There's a lot of ways to interact with it.

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uh, whereas, you know, a lot of other things there, there isn't so much. Um, but I mean,

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you even see it like in, in the music world, you know, oftentimes when people are being taught

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about music, they're just being taught formulas, like how to play other people's music. They're

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not being taught how to write it. They're not being taught how to do that. You know, when you're,

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when you're being taught how to write, you know, you're not taught how to develop

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characters and and tell compelling stories in a lot of ways you're trying to write for the purpose

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of you know impressing a teacher or something not not from like a how do you captivate somebody's

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attention and draw them into a story and so i think that general you know attitude of um

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uh like i think it's largely because in in many ways the frontier has been settled

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almost universally and uh you know as a result of things being settled and and relatively like

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calm and safe they're like there's not really that need to learn because i think that's generally

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how and when humans go through the process of learning and thinking about things critically is

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it's not always just an inherent desire, but it's, it's a necessity. Uh, and there, there isn't the

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same level of necessity today as there, you know, has been historically, I think like oftentimes the

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greatest points in history, you know, the art flows out of are times of great, you know, upheaval

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and challenge.

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Is that true, though, Richard?

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I mean, I know it feels that way.

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You said the frontier has been settled,

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sort of another way of saying

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there's nothing new under the sun.

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I wonder if at different points in history,

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like in the 1850s or whatever,

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did people feel that way?

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That, oh, everything that's, you know,

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that had to be done is done.

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Like what's there for us to do, right?

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There are no new frontiers.

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So I wonder if that's just a natural human state of being in the moment and thinking that there is nothing new under the sun.

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Well, I do think there's always a frontier.

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You know, in many ways, Bitcoin is the frontier.

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here and um you know the individuals that are you know i think that you're identifying as interesting

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are people that are actually embarking on the frontier and trying to learn about this thing

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and uh you know engage with it in an interesting way and try to shape the world around them

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whereas the people that you find uninteresting are the people that are trying to integrate it

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into the world that they're already content with like that's the uh they're trying to take this

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technology and mold it to what they already have and that's kind of the contrast um but i mean the

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ai is a frontier too in a lot of ways that is rapidly changing the world and i think there's a

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huge difference between individuals that are using it as a force multiplier for creativity

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like in ways that you have done, you know, testing things, experimenting with things,

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and then people that are just, you know, trying to get it to do the thinking for them.

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Yeah. You know, I think some or a lot of this actually feeds into the attention economy,

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which, so why are people not being more bold, right? Why are they not taking risks? And

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why they're not trying to be pioneers because there is a formula like you said like like with

447
00:36:53,441 --> 00:36:59,501
algebra there's a formula you apply it and you get the result and the formula is you you learn

448
00:36:59,501 --> 00:37:05,921
how to tame the algorithm and it's typically with some form of outrage or or scandal or or

449
00:37:05,921 --> 00:37:10,281
controversy or something like that right it's typically some kind of negative emotion

450
00:37:10,281 --> 00:37:17,721
you learn how to tame the algorithm that way and you get the attention and the attention drives up

451
00:37:17,721 --> 00:37:23,821
your revenue through advertising or sponsors or what have you and it just a it's a self-contained

452
00:37:23,821 --> 00:37:32,801
there was a self-contained death spiral honestly because I mean society erodes slowly and inexorably

453
00:37:32,801 --> 00:37:38,261
in the process you might not feel it in the moment but over a long enough time horizon it just

454
00:37:38,261 --> 00:37:43,361
it is the true decay of society, right? There's people trapped in these attention,

455
00:37:43,941 --> 00:37:50,861
attention casinos, that's what they are, gambling away their precious time to play these games.

456
00:37:51,981 --> 00:38:01,321
And I think that's why we see so many people stuck in this and so few trying to break out of it,

457
00:38:01,321 --> 00:38:06,341
trying to be true pioneers, because there is a lot of risk in being a pioneer. Why not use the

458
00:38:06,341 --> 00:38:10,321
tried and tested formula. Yes, we'll talk about Bitcoin, this amazing thing,

459
00:38:10,401 --> 00:38:14,861
but really why we talk about Bitcoin? To make more fiat by gaming the attention economy.

460
00:38:17,541 --> 00:38:22,521
Absolutely. So what do you think you're, what's different about you?

461
00:38:23,661 --> 00:38:27,241
Why do you think you've approached things differently instead of being a plebslopper?

462
00:38:28,321 --> 00:38:34,381
Listen, man, I probably would have been a plebslopper if I didn't have a few awakenings

463
00:38:34,381 --> 00:38:44,761
along the way. One was, I got into the blockchain world, blockchain crypto world in 2016. 2017,

464
00:38:44,761 --> 00:38:51,841
worked in that industry as a technologist during the heyday of blockchain, not Bitcoin.

465
00:38:52,741 --> 00:38:58,781
In fact, I worked at a company whose CEO coined that phrase for a couple of years. And then at

466
00:38:58,781 --> 00:39:05,501
some point, maybe there was a part of me that actually believed I was doing the right thing.

467
00:39:06,541 --> 00:39:12,741
And thank heaven for that, that I had some kind of moral compass that said, you know what,

468
00:39:12,801 --> 00:39:19,701
I'm doing something and it's the right thing. And then I was, as you could imagine, I was completely

469
00:39:19,701 --> 00:39:24,881
wrecked in the process, intellectually wrecked, where, you know, two or three years into this

470
00:39:24,881 --> 00:39:28,761
blockchain world, you realize it's complete nonsense. And the only thing that makes sense

471
00:39:28,761 --> 00:39:37,221
in this world is Bitcoin. So I think that was one of the awakenings. And then there are a few

472
00:39:37,221 --> 00:39:44,721
others, just personal things that happened, which led me to realize, look, what do I really want in

473
00:39:44,721 --> 00:39:50,061
life? I just want to be happy. And what makes me happy? Doing the things that give me a sense of

474
00:39:50,061 --> 00:39:58,221
meaning and purpose and just pursuing them. For the longest part of my life, I used money,

475
00:39:58,741 --> 00:40:04,221
I thought or rather thought of money as a proxy for happiness. Oh, yes, let me just do this job

476
00:40:04,221 --> 00:40:10,321
because it pays me well. Yes, it's for some evil corporation, but it's an amazing salary and

477
00:40:10,321 --> 00:40:15,501
it allows me to live the life I want to live. But that sense of meaning and purpose

478
00:40:15,501 --> 00:40:23,381
just is not there. So it's a very humbling and simple realization that

479
00:40:23,381 --> 00:40:31,901
none of this stuff matters. What matters is health and happiness. And with that,

480
00:40:31,922 --> 00:40:38,362
comes the need to do something that actually is meaningful, that gives a sense of purpose.

481
00:40:38,862 --> 00:40:45,062
So maybe you could call it luck, Richard, but I stumbled into this realization. And

482
00:40:45,062 --> 00:40:53,862
according to some people that I respect, such as yourself and others, what I produce is not pleb

483
00:40:53,862 --> 00:40:59,782
slop. It's not even though you have pleb in the show name.

484
00:40:59,782 --> 00:41:05,982
That is true. That was a relic from a different era. We could talk about that if you want.

485
00:41:06,582 --> 00:41:11,742
Absolutely. Yeah. What's your perspective on the term pleb and the meaning of it?

486
00:41:12,222 --> 00:41:17,962
Yeah. So when it sort of ties back to what we're talking about with influencers and this shallow

487
00:41:17,962 --> 00:41:27,442
platitudes that get thrown out, right? The slop before we even called it slop. And there was a

488
00:41:27,442 --> 00:41:33,822
A lot of this happening in maybe four or five years ago, 2021, even 2020, right?

489
00:41:33,822 --> 00:41:44,222
The wave of adoption that happened with the pandemic and the influencers who grew to prominence with things like Clubhouse and all this other stuff.

490
00:41:46,222 --> 00:41:55,682
And, you know, when we, this late 2022, early 23 was when we were hashing, KW and I hashed the idea for the show.

491
00:41:55,682 --> 00:42:02,522
the early days of Noster. And even back then, right? So we're talking three years ago,

492
00:42:02,522 --> 00:42:09,982
the word pleb at that time was a silent cry of rebellion saying, look, I'm not one of these

493
00:42:09,982 --> 00:42:16,402
people, right? I don't think I'm better than the people around me just because I have 20,000

494
00:42:16,402 --> 00:42:23,382
followers on Twitter or whatever it is. I'm here to participate in this, I guess, this movement,

495
00:42:23,382 --> 00:42:29,642
this revolution where that's supposed to break down these barriers and be a classless

496
00:42:29,642 --> 00:42:37,202
kind of thing, right? So in some sense, it was a very earnest taking to heart the phrase,

497
00:42:37,302 --> 00:42:42,322
we are all Satoshi. I know that at this point, even that's probably pleb slop, right?

498
00:42:43,222 --> 00:42:53,362
But yeah, so the word pleb and then pleb chain that came out of that was that. It was just a,

499
00:42:53,382 --> 00:42:59,682
rebellion against influencer culture. So that was back then. I think what's happened now is that

500
00:42:59,682 --> 00:43:07,822
the term's gotten so muddied, especially in the last year, even six months, I say six months to a

501
00:43:07,822 --> 00:43:16,442
year, that it's lost its initial meaning. And a lot of people call themselves plebs when all they

502
00:43:16,442 --> 00:43:22,742
want to do is yell and get into fights about things that don't even make sense, right? And

503
00:43:22,742 --> 00:43:30,422
we're seeing a lot of this with the NOS versus CORE debate. I think there's been some incredibly

504
00:43:30,422 --> 00:43:38,262
bad faith arguments from both sides, which has led me to largely mute most of Bitcoin Twitter.

505
00:43:39,702 --> 00:43:45,122
And thankfully, NOSTA is not as polluted with that debate as it is. But there are other sort of

506
00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:51,942
debates within the Bitcoin ecosystem that have devolved into shouting matches, bad faith arguments,

507
00:43:51,942 --> 00:43:57,902
and frankly, anti-intellectual conversations.

508
00:43:58,702 --> 00:44:02,722
And unfortunately, the word pleb has evolved

509
00:44:02,722 --> 00:44:06,282
to associate itself with all of that ugliness.

510
00:44:07,422 --> 00:44:11,402
So yeah, at this point, I'm happy to renounce the word pleb.

511
00:44:11,502 --> 00:44:14,062
Now, unfortunately, it's in the name of the podcast.

512
00:44:14,742 --> 00:44:15,622
It is what it is.

513
00:44:15,682 --> 00:44:16,822
I think we just have to own it.

514
00:44:16,822 --> 00:44:23,222
but definitely it does not stand for the ethos

515
00:44:23,222 --> 00:44:24,702
that it did three or four years ago.

516
00:44:25,682 --> 00:44:28,322
I'm not going to cancel you for not changing the name.

517
00:44:29,822 --> 00:44:30,902
Well, thank you.

518
00:44:32,302 --> 00:44:34,402
Yeah, it's interesting to watch these cultures.

519
00:44:34,762 --> 00:44:38,162
So there was a whole wave of marketing

520
00:44:38,162 --> 00:44:41,402
directed towards the plebs in these years.

521
00:44:43,282 --> 00:44:45,002
There was the...

522
00:44:45,002 --> 00:44:51,462
So like from your recollection, who were the biggest influencers that people were rebelling against?

523
00:44:52,182 --> 00:44:57,162
Well, I don't want to get into singling out people, Richard.

524
00:44:57,322 --> 00:45:12,682
But I mean, anyone can throw them who was around can throw their mind back to, I guess, late 2020, early 2021, when we had that sort of the bull market of that period.

525
00:45:12,682 --> 00:45:41,842
And, you know, there was, well, we could talk about the shitcoiners, right? There was the TerraLuna stuff happening. SPF was all over Twitter. And then we, you know, we had, there were Bitcoiners who, you know, they were supportive in some sense of what those people were doing or simply took a leaf out of the book of Do Kwon and all these others.

526
00:45:42,682 --> 00:45:49,522
Um, and, uh, so yeah, look at anyone who was in Bitcoin back then can kind of piece it

527
00:45:49,522 --> 00:45:50,082
together, right?

528
00:45:50,122 --> 00:45:54,402
There were, there were a lot of influencers who were born in that, in that bull market.

529
00:45:55,182 --> 00:46:05,502
There's probably people like Nick Carter and Mike Alfred, Dennis Porter, shout out to the

530
00:46:05,502 --> 00:46:05,782
goat.

531
00:46:06,102 --> 00:46:07,722
I hope bring Dennis home.

532
00:46:07,722 --> 00:46:14,982
yeah I'm trying to remember I guess my my brain's kind of foggy

533
00:46:14,982 --> 00:46:21,642
uh but yeah yeah I get what you're saying yeah it's it's interesting it's uh

534
00:46:22,242 --> 00:46:29,462
it's just interesting to watch these cultural movements and I think where we're at right now

535
00:46:29,462 --> 00:46:35,202
they kind of go back to what we were talking about earlier about telling compelling stories

536
00:46:35,202 --> 00:46:39,162
is this ecosystem that we're in is missing compelling stories.

537
00:46:39,902 --> 00:46:43,062
That seems to be the thing that's really lacking.

538
00:46:43,302 --> 00:46:48,622
Like there was this excitement around taking on the Federal Reserve.

539
00:46:50,202 --> 00:46:53,422
And I think people started to come to the realization

540
00:46:53,422 --> 00:46:56,302
that the U.S. government embracing Bitcoin

541
00:46:56,302 --> 00:47:00,742
and using it in a lot of ways and not being super friendly

542
00:47:00,742 --> 00:47:04,802
and not, you know, really changing things so that it's easy to transact.

543
00:47:05,202 --> 00:47:11,262
it meant that their idea of them buying Bitcoin on Swan or,

544
00:47:11,422 --> 00:47:11,562
you know,

545
00:47:11,642 --> 00:47:16,562
wherever river wasn't going to be enough to end the federal reserve in the

546
00:47:16,562 --> 00:47:18,002
next three years.

547
00:47:18,982 --> 00:47:23,822
And they became discouraged as a result of that.

548
00:47:23,942 --> 00:47:24,722
And now,

549
00:47:24,802 --> 00:47:25,762
now there's kind of like,

550
00:47:25,802 --> 00:47:26,302
they're like,

551
00:47:26,362 --> 00:47:26,602
okay,

552
00:47:26,602 --> 00:47:31,942
this story that we bought into doesn't appear like it's happening in the

553
00:47:31,942 --> 00:47:33,482
timeline that we wanted to.

554
00:47:33,482 --> 00:47:40,482
and there's a general discouragement and there hasn't really been a compelling narrative or

555
00:47:40,482 --> 00:47:47,242
story to get people excited that has filled that gap since then no nothing that nothing that

556
00:47:47,242 --> 00:47:55,482
resonates with cypherpunk values certainly right we've had people have gotten or tried to get

557
00:47:55,482 --> 00:48:00,982
excited about the etfs when was that that was about a year and a half uh almost two years ago

558
00:48:00,982 --> 00:48:07,342
now, right? Early 24. Obviously, the treasury companies that came after that,

559
00:48:08,282 --> 00:48:16,682
and the institutional adoption that was supposed to end the four-year cycles.

560
00:48:19,342 --> 00:48:23,582
So I think people tried getting excited about that. Some people are still pretending that

561
00:48:23,582 --> 00:48:28,602
They're excited about treasury companies and ETFs and whatnot.

562
00:48:30,602 --> 00:48:34,622
But I don't know how authentic these narratives are.

563
00:48:34,822 --> 00:48:36,822
And maybe that's why they're failing, right?

564
00:48:37,302 --> 00:48:41,702
Because this is, it's, all of this, the goal is NGU.

565
00:48:42,202 --> 00:48:44,382
It's not about reclaiming your sovereignty.

566
00:48:44,382 --> 00:48:52,122
Like how does owning a treasury stock or an ETF separate money from state, for instance,

567
00:48:52,122 --> 00:48:58,042
or allow you to be your own bank or reclaim your privacy or your sovereignty in any way.

568
00:48:58,102 --> 00:48:58,562
It doesn't.

569
00:48:59,482 --> 00:49:04,222
So it really is about fiat gains and NGU in fiat terms.

570
00:49:04,862 --> 00:49:08,902
And that's not a compelling or authentic narrative.

571
00:49:09,502 --> 00:49:14,922
And that's why the stories feel like they're tepid right now.

572
00:49:16,382 --> 00:49:17,162
Yeah, totally.

573
00:49:17,162 --> 00:49:22,302
Yeah, so you didn't get excited about Paper Bitcoin Summer.

574
00:49:23,302 --> 00:49:31,862
I like the meme. I thought it was funny. But no, that's, I mean, look, I was at some of these

575
00:49:31,862 --> 00:49:38,382
conferences where the loudest cheerleaders for these things were actively telling people that,

576
00:49:38,382 --> 00:49:44,042
you know, Bitcoin and self-custody was too confusing. It's just so much easier.

577
00:49:44,042 --> 00:49:46,982
all you're looking for is the exposure anyway.

578
00:49:48,602 --> 00:49:50,462
You know, loud voices,

579
00:49:50,822 --> 00:49:52,362
a lot of prominent voices

580
00:49:52,362 --> 00:49:55,122
were saying things like this.

581
00:49:55,222 --> 00:49:56,502
So look, on the one hand,

582
00:49:56,682 --> 00:49:58,682
obviously we can make a joke out of it

583
00:49:58,682 --> 00:50:03,322
and laugh at the double standard,

584
00:50:03,422 --> 00:50:04,262
at the hypocrisy.

585
00:50:04,942 --> 00:50:06,402
But on the other hand,

586
00:50:06,482 --> 00:50:08,942
as someone who actually cares about this revolution,

587
00:50:09,982 --> 00:50:11,342
someone, I mean, I have a teenage son,

588
00:50:11,342 --> 00:50:25,562
And I want him to have a brighter future and aspire to something in his life rather than debt and fiat slavery that could happen, right?

589
00:50:25,562 --> 00:50:43,962
So when I hear unconstructive potentially even destructive narrative arcs emerge around you know it all about exposure You know custody is too complicated and all of that stuff Bitcoin doesn it just a store of value It doesn you don need it as a currency

590
00:50:45,162 --> 00:50:47,162
That, you know,

591
00:50:47,302 --> 00:50:48,542
that bothers me.

592
00:50:48,802 --> 00:50:50,742
And I don't like where things are going.

593
00:50:52,242 --> 00:50:52,582
Absolutely.

594
00:50:53,482 --> 00:50:55,042
I think one of the things

595
00:50:55,042 --> 00:50:55,982
that's really destructive

596
00:50:55,982 --> 00:50:57,402
about the Samurai case

597
00:50:57,402 --> 00:51:02,062
is they found a way

598
00:51:02,062 --> 00:51:05,542
to make privacy profitable.

599
00:51:07,902 --> 00:51:09,422
And I think that's the,

600
00:51:10,122 --> 00:51:11,602
that's one of the keys.

601
00:51:12,662 --> 00:51:13,502
And I know,

602
00:51:13,602 --> 00:51:14,722
I know there's this like

603
00:51:14,722 --> 00:51:16,022
this attitude that

604
00:51:16,022 --> 00:51:16,842
they're trying to go

605
00:51:16,842 --> 00:51:17,522
and make money

606
00:51:17,522 --> 00:51:18,882
and offer things useful

607
00:51:18,882 --> 00:51:19,502
to the world,

608
00:51:19,502 --> 00:51:20,662
that there's something

609
00:51:20,662 --> 00:51:21,562
wrong with that

610
00:51:21,562 --> 00:51:22,942
and that people should just,

611
00:51:22,982 --> 00:51:23,322
you know,

612
00:51:23,322 --> 00:51:24,842
do things for the greater good

613
00:51:24,842 --> 00:51:25,362
out of their,

614
00:51:25,742 --> 00:51:26,122
you know,

615
00:51:26,262 --> 00:51:28,222
to be selfless or whatever.

616
00:51:28,882 --> 00:51:29,422
But,

617
00:51:29,542 --> 00:51:29,902
you know,

618
00:51:29,902 --> 00:51:30,702
the reality is

619
00:51:30,702 --> 00:51:31,982
you got Michael Saylor

620
00:51:31,982 --> 00:51:34,482
who's selling a product promoting a narrative.

621
00:51:36,182 --> 00:51:37,942
You got all these other individuals

622
00:51:37,942 --> 00:51:40,502
that are selling products promoting narrative.

623
00:51:40,702 --> 00:51:41,802
Like when you have a product

624
00:51:41,802 --> 00:51:43,022
that a bunch of people want to buy,

625
00:51:43,162 --> 00:51:44,882
you have a huge marketing budget

626
00:51:44,882 --> 00:51:46,462
and you can influence narratives.

627
00:51:48,122 --> 00:51:50,882
And unfortunately, you know,

628
00:51:50,942 --> 00:51:53,242
a lot of the individuals

629
00:51:53,242 --> 00:51:56,322
that aren't selling products,

630
00:51:57,322 --> 00:51:58,982
they don't have the resources

631
00:51:58,982 --> 00:52:00,382
to really influence narratives.

632
00:52:00,382 --> 00:52:04,162
Like they don't, they don't have the ability to, to buy a booth at a conference so that

633
00:52:04,162 --> 00:52:06,742
they can go speak on the main stage or get a keynote.

634
00:52:07,782 --> 00:52:12,382
They don't have the ability to sponsor podcasts and, you know, influence people that way.

635
00:52:12,382 --> 00:52:20,962
They don't, they don't have the ability to really, uh, circulate, you know, their ideas.

636
00:52:22,022 --> 00:52:27,262
And, um, you know, the Silk Road was very interesting for this reason, you know, because

637
00:52:27,262 --> 00:52:33,302
it was a way that somebody was able to, or a bunch of people were able to make a bunch

638
00:52:33,302 --> 00:52:41,442
of money, you know, using this technology and, um, in a, in a way that promoted freedom

639
00:52:41,442 --> 00:52:42,022
and sovereignty.

640
00:52:42,022 --> 00:52:50,062
And I think that's like one of the challenges is how do you marry those two things together

641
00:52:50,062 --> 00:52:52,742
without getting your head chopped off by the state?

642
00:52:52,742 --> 00:52:54,862
or is there no way?

643
00:52:55,022 --> 00:52:57,522
Do you have to step into danger

644
00:52:57,522 --> 00:52:59,282
and be non-compliant?

645
00:52:59,762 --> 00:53:00,502
Is that the only way?

646
00:53:00,962 --> 00:53:02,502
Oh, I think there's an in-between part,

647
00:53:02,562 --> 00:53:04,422
but I think you might have touched on something

648
00:53:04,422 --> 00:53:06,782
that's pretty key here, Richard,

649
00:53:06,882 --> 00:53:09,202
which is if you're building freedom tech tools

650
00:53:09,202 --> 00:53:10,422
and privacy tools

651
00:53:10,422 --> 00:53:14,482
that are truly putting power and sovereignty

652
00:53:14,482 --> 00:53:16,282
back in the hands of individuals

653
00:53:16,282 --> 00:53:18,882
and you're making money on top of it,

654
00:53:19,442 --> 00:53:22,542
I think you're painting a pretty big target on yourself.

655
00:53:22,742 --> 00:53:26,162
I think that is very likely true.

656
00:53:26,622 --> 00:53:27,722
We saw that with Silk Road.

657
00:53:27,802 --> 00:53:30,282
We saw that with Samurai, both cases that he just mentioned.

658
00:53:32,362 --> 00:53:37,902
So I think there is an in-between path, which is you look for patrons,

659
00:53:38,982 --> 00:53:43,362
the Jack Dorseys of the world and the others, modern-day Medici, if you will,

660
00:53:44,122 --> 00:53:47,622
who will, you know, you're not making profit necessarily.

661
00:53:47,622 --> 00:53:50,362
They're giving you grants, and then you're building commons, right?

662
00:53:50,702 --> 00:53:52,622
You're building free and open-source software.

663
00:53:53,542 --> 00:53:58,462
The grant money makes sure that you can keep the lights on and put food on the table, but that's about it.

664
00:53:58,762 --> 00:54:00,682
And then you're building free and open source software.

665
00:54:01,102 --> 00:54:03,302
Maybe that is the sly roundabout way, right?

666
00:54:03,342 --> 00:54:07,862
We have the modern-day Medici who are funding free and open source software.

667
00:54:09,542 --> 00:54:15,402
But don't those funders fall into the same category?

668
00:54:15,402 --> 00:54:23,402
you look at Jack Dorsey and you look at how much attack surface area he has with how limited he

669
00:54:23,402 --> 00:54:31,722
could be like you know all of his companies face regulation they face scrutiny the IRS or any of

670
00:54:31,722 --> 00:54:36,842
these agencies can just be like hey we don't like what you're doing so we're gonna you know put a

671
00:54:36,842 --> 00:54:41,322
Put a boot on your neck unless you stop doing what you're doing.

672
00:54:43,122 --> 00:54:43,642
Yeah.

673
00:54:44,302 --> 00:54:54,142
But at least if we go with the argument that, you know, Ross was making money with Silk Road and the Samurai devs were making money.

674
00:54:54,142 --> 00:55:04,862
then in the case of someone giving out grants or someone receiving grants,

675
00:55:04,922 --> 00:55:06,882
they're really not making that much money, right?

676
00:55:07,362 --> 00:55:11,522
So if that's the point that's under scrutiny,

677
00:55:12,742 --> 00:55:16,962
then I think maybe there's a way out.

678
00:55:16,962 --> 00:55:17,902
But you're right, right?

679
00:55:18,002 --> 00:55:23,062
I mean, Jack Dorsey is a massive single point of failure, right?

680
00:55:23,062 --> 00:55:28,642
He's been incredibly generous in his help for a lot of these free and open source projects.

681
00:55:29,822 --> 00:55:34,822
But yes, the government could come and shut it down.

682
00:55:36,422 --> 00:55:46,362
Yeah, I think a large part of it comes with, I think there is an ability to tell a story so compelling that it breaks through.

683
00:55:46,862 --> 00:55:48,622
And I think that's the challenge.

684
00:55:48,622 --> 00:55:56,202
It's one of the things that I'm, I think both of us are on the path trying to do with our ideas.

685
00:55:57,382 --> 00:56:12,002
Because I think if you inspire people in the right way, like you don't always need the same amount of resources and money to influence the narrative.

686
00:56:12,002 --> 00:56:28,362
Like it's going to take a hundred times more effort or a thousand times more effort to convince people that paper Bitcoin is a good idea than trying to limit how many – the influence of the pedophilic ruling class over your life.

687
00:56:28,362 --> 00:56:37,042
well baby steps though i i think i i think you're right richard right clearly we we don't have the

688
00:56:37,042 --> 00:56:44,922
resources to buy the level of influence uh to buy the space on or the or the mind space i should say

689
00:56:44,922 --> 00:56:53,962
on podcasts and um that have you know 20 100 000 or even a million uh listeners per episode right

690
00:56:53,962 --> 00:56:58,802
But some people clearly do, and they're the ones who try and influence narratives.

691
00:56:59,342 --> 00:57:11,142
However, you can make incremental changes and hope that that has an eventual compounding and snowball effect over a decade or so.

692
00:57:12,482 --> 00:57:12,762
Absolutely.

693
00:57:12,762 --> 00:57:19,462
I think blockchain is a great roadmap for how to have a significant cultural influence.

694
00:57:19,462 --> 00:57:34,642
You guys have been probably the single most influential cultural influence in the Nostra ecosystem, by far, I would say.

695
00:57:34,642 --> 00:57:39,342
Yeah, well, we certainly try to be

696
00:57:39,342 --> 00:57:41,922
I mean, our goal is not to be the most influential

697
00:57:41,922 --> 00:57:44,582
But the goal is to move the needle on culture

698
00:57:44,582 --> 00:57:48,562
And, you know, try and get these values to

699
00:57:48,562 --> 00:57:50,982
Cypherpunk values, honestly, right?

700
00:57:51,222 --> 00:57:53,162
To permeate more broadly

701
00:57:53,162 --> 00:57:58,382
And, you know, I think almost three years in

702
00:57:58,382 --> 00:58:02,082
Beginning to see early signs of success

703
00:58:02,082 --> 00:58:03,782
But we'll see

704
00:58:04,642 --> 00:58:06,602
How would you determine success?

705
00:58:07,402 --> 00:58:08,442
How do you judge that?

706
00:58:09,402 --> 00:58:13,842
I think, you know, if you look at it through a cultural lens, right,

707
00:58:13,842 --> 00:58:21,162
if there are, and break that down into, let's just say, music, film,

708
00:58:23,122 --> 00:58:26,502
maybe writing, and a few other media,

709
00:58:27,282 --> 00:58:32,922
and look at people who've listened to our shows,

710
00:58:32,922 --> 00:58:36,762
who then support value for value music, for instance.

711
00:58:38,362 --> 00:58:41,042
And how do they do that?

712
00:58:41,122 --> 00:58:45,182
They can either boost or zap their favorite independent musicians,

713
00:58:45,442 --> 00:58:47,822
or they can actually go, when they go to concerts,

714
00:58:47,942 --> 00:58:50,382
to listen to their musicians or they have a network.

715
00:58:50,382 --> 00:58:52,722
They can bring those people into the fold.

716
00:58:53,222 --> 00:58:55,482
Now, these are not easy conversations to have.

717
00:58:56,222 --> 00:58:59,762
Not all musicians or artists are ready to talk about Bitcoin,

718
00:58:59,882 --> 00:59:00,582
but some are.

719
00:59:00,582 --> 00:59:13,282
Right. And so that as we see more of that happening and we are seeing that, right, like more musicians joining the fold, more people supporting independent musicians.

720
00:59:13,282 --> 00:59:26,622
So that's one. Right. And then similarly, writers are migrating from Substack and moving to, you know, long form Nostra notes and, you know, getting small amounts of money for that.

721
00:59:26,622 --> 00:59:32,662
Or people who are Substack only now doing Substack and long-form NOSTA.

722
00:59:33,502 --> 00:59:34,582
That's another example.

723
00:59:36,342 --> 00:59:47,282
We've been talking to some independent video streaming services, and their audience is demanding that they become NOSTA clients and start supporting that.

724
00:59:47,462 --> 00:59:53,482
So we see small changes, and I guess that, to me, is a barometer for success.

725
00:59:54,422 --> 00:59:57,542
Earlier, it was just, it felt like, in our first year, it felt like,

726
00:59:57,862 --> 01:00:02,502
oh, we're just having a good time, but everything we say is going straight into the void.

727
01:00:03,522 --> 01:00:06,082
But these things take time, right?

728
01:00:06,202 --> 01:00:09,722
The seed takes a while to sprout into a tree.

729
01:00:10,982 --> 01:00:13,322
Takes time to build momentum, for sure.

730
01:00:14,122 --> 01:00:14,302
Yeah.

731
01:00:15,762 --> 01:00:16,242
Absolutely.

732
01:00:19,362 --> 01:00:23,342
Well, what are some of the things that get you most excited?

733
01:00:23,482 --> 01:00:26,302
Like, I think this is one of the things

734
01:00:26,302 --> 01:00:29,762
that I think is important to focus on.

735
01:00:29,762 --> 01:00:31,382
The influencers are being dumb,

736
01:00:31,382 --> 01:00:33,122
the plebs are being grumpy,

737
01:00:36,182 --> 01:00:38,802
the politicians are being awful.

738
01:00:38,802 --> 01:00:40,562
Like what's got you excited?

739
01:00:41,882 --> 01:00:59,362
I think people building FreedomTech and I see a lot of that happening right There are some amazing new projects that are out there People building web of trust open source web of trust tools on Noster to improve

740
01:00:59,362 --> 01:01:06,122
discoverability for any media, whether it's music, whether it's film, just notes, travel,

741
01:01:06,122 --> 01:01:12,542
whatever it is. I see that happening. I see a project like our friend Shadrach's A to B,

742
01:01:13,063 --> 01:01:23,242
right, which is being able to transport packages in a private and decentralized way using onion

743
01:01:23,242 --> 01:01:33,443
routed physical mailing. I see, you know, things like Bitax, right, open source hardware. There's

744
01:01:33,443 --> 01:01:38,923
even now an open source hardware wallet as well, right?

745
01:01:38,982 --> 01:01:42,482
The secure element specification has been open sourced as well.

746
01:01:43,002 --> 01:01:48,522
So there are some amazing projects that are being built in the Nostraverse, in the Bitcoin

747
01:01:48,522 --> 01:01:58,242
ecosystem, in things like Cashew and other adjacent and related ecosystems, freedom tech,

748
01:01:58,342 --> 01:02:00,142
if you could call it more broadly.

749
01:02:00,482 --> 01:02:01,923
And I see that accelerating.

750
01:02:02,102 --> 01:02:03,282
So that excites me.

751
01:02:03,442 --> 01:02:06,482
well very cool

752
01:02:06,482 --> 01:02:09,602
I mean I'm excited

753
01:02:09,602 --> 01:02:12,162
I think there's some interesting

754
01:02:12,162 --> 01:02:13,722
cultural influences

755
01:02:13,722 --> 01:02:18,402
Scardust is exciting to me

756
01:02:18,402 --> 01:02:21,823
Chris Cyborg

757
01:02:21,823 --> 01:02:24,082
being on Noster

758
01:02:24,082 --> 01:02:26,202
and doing a comic book

759
01:02:26,202 --> 01:02:27,622
I thought that was really interesting

760
01:02:27,622 --> 01:02:30,542
I really want to get my hands on that comic book

761
01:02:30,542 --> 01:02:37,342
can i ask you about scout us because i know we've talked about it off the podcast

762
01:02:37,342 --> 01:02:43,683
both of us are huge fans of the band noah gruman probably one of the most amazing rock voices

763
01:02:43,683 --> 01:02:50,722
out there today uh can we get them to get off their label and uh become independent

764
01:02:50,722 --> 01:02:59,862
i think they like their label like but i don't know yeah i don't know i'm not really uh

765
01:02:59,862 --> 01:03:06,762
personally I'm not really a huge fan of like convincing people to change uh for the sake of

766
01:03:06,762 --> 01:03:13,183
it it's I I do really appreciate the the involvement that they've they've had the

767
01:03:13,183 --> 01:03:21,122
interest that they've had in like uh I'm excited to see Noah have more like when she gets back from

768
01:03:21,122 --> 01:03:28,683
her tour I think she's gonna get a lot more involved in the ecosystem and like they what what

769
01:03:29,862 --> 01:03:31,563
Because they're a serious band.

770
01:03:31,742 --> 01:03:37,183
They're not like a small time in the slightest.

771
01:03:37,382 --> 01:03:39,183
Like they've had a tremendous amount of success,

772
01:03:39,642 --> 01:03:44,762
and they're going to continue to have a tremendous amount of success.

773
01:03:45,162 --> 01:03:48,542
Like the things that they do cost a ton of money.

774
01:03:48,542 --> 01:03:51,202
Like you look at their music videos that they do.

775
01:03:52,662 --> 01:03:55,402
Like just a single music video that they do, you know,

776
01:03:55,442 --> 01:03:58,563
with the way that Lahav produces it, I don't know what the cost is,

777
01:03:58,563 --> 01:04:00,282
but probably tens of thousands of dollars.

778
01:04:00,502 --> 01:04:02,642
Like you've got, in some of these shoots,

779
01:04:02,762 --> 01:04:07,323
they've got, I don't know,

780
01:04:07,442 --> 01:04:09,842
like probably up to 20 people involved

781
01:04:09,842 --> 01:04:12,962
with the production spending all day,

782
01:04:13,082 --> 01:04:13,982
if not multiple days.

783
01:04:14,162 --> 01:04:18,002
Like when they're recording their albums,

784
01:04:18,162 --> 01:04:23,402
their songs, like Noah has the band there

785
01:04:23,402 --> 01:04:25,923
all day, multiple days,

786
01:04:25,923 --> 01:04:29,142
but she's bringing a choir in, you know,

787
01:04:29,142 --> 01:04:31,563
other musicians to collaborate with.

788
01:04:31,563 --> 01:04:34,162
Like it's a very expensive process.

789
01:04:34,162 --> 01:04:39,162
And unfortunately, Wave Lake Boots and Nostra Zaps

790
01:04:40,063 --> 01:04:43,063
do not even remotely come close to,

791
01:04:44,563 --> 01:04:48,782
so I mean like sure, it would be an interesting

792
01:04:49,782 --> 01:04:53,162
and compelling story, you know, to tell somebody of like,

793
01:04:53,162 --> 01:04:55,122
you know, if you're a no-name artist,

794
01:04:55,923 --> 01:05:02,563
trying to get your stuff out there and you're you're playing gigs for 50 a show um

795
01:05:02,563 --> 01:05:14,782
and you can do a toonster stream and earn 500 like that's exciting that's really exciting but for um

796
01:05:14,782 --> 01:05:24,002
somebody like scarred us like i think the only way to do it is kind of what you were talking

797
01:05:24,002 --> 01:05:29,262
about is like you need you need a patron to come in to essentially replace the label and be like okay

798
01:05:29,262 --> 01:05:35,522
we want you to be exclusively on these platforms but we're going to pay all the money for you to do

799
01:05:35,522 --> 01:05:42,502
what you're going to do uh like the label would and um i think if that happens then you can

800
01:05:42,502 --> 01:05:53,982
convince people like that to do it um but yeah it's uh it's a hard sell like it's really hard

801
01:05:53,982 --> 01:06:10,862
That is a good point. I think the level of complexity and I guess grandness, right, that goes into Scardust music is not something that you could, zaps and boosts are not going to cover that for sure.

802
01:06:10,862 --> 01:06:19,142
the 21 sat zaps or even the slightly more generous ones. So if there are any whales or patrons

803
01:06:19,142 --> 01:06:29,682
listening and you like complex metal, prog metal music, then do consider stepping in and making

804
01:06:29,682 --> 01:06:36,042
this real. We would love to have Scardust as an independent artist that's available on all our

805
01:06:36,042 --> 01:06:43,002
favorite freedom tech platforms well i i think that's a strategy it's not not even just for a

806
01:06:43,002 --> 01:06:47,923
band like scardust it's like if you got relationship with musicians or something

807
01:06:47,923 --> 01:06:54,022
you know bands that you really like bringing them into the ecosystem and essentially doing

808
01:06:54,022 --> 01:07:00,142
what i was talking about becoming their label of sorts is uh is a huge thing because like why

809
01:07:00,142 --> 01:07:07,502
why did spotify you know really become the premiere spot for podcasters because it didn't always used

810
01:07:07,502 --> 01:07:14,462
to be that way or in music it took over podcasting and music and like a huge part of it was because

811
01:07:14,462 --> 01:07:20,222
they paid joe rogan a hundred million dollars to go exclusive on it like they they got they

812
01:07:20,222 --> 01:07:29,182
essentially did that where you know i'm pretty sure they brought other people on uh exclusively

813
01:07:29,182 --> 01:07:34,982
on the platform to you know the drag the audience over there like that that's how you do it you know

814
01:07:34,982 --> 01:07:40,583
a lot of ways is you have to pay these people uh to come there so you know maybe we could uh

815
01:07:40,583 --> 01:07:47,662
convince matt odell and 1031 you know or just you know somebody somebody like that like yeah

816
01:07:47,662 --> 01:07:55,323
there has to be somebody with a following that you know there's a reason for them to go over there

817
01:07:55,323 --> 01:07:57,583
And like, sometimes they'll make less money to do that.

818
01:07:57,662 --> 01:08:03,462
Like there is a potential that Joe Rogan made less money going exclusively to Spotify.

819
01:08:03,462 --> 01:08:05,323
Like the deal eventually ended.

820
01:08:06,202 --> 01:08:10,982
And I don't know what the details are, but like that's kind of the process.

821
01:08:10,982 --> 01:08:16,362
I think it's one of the jobs of

822
01:08:16,362 --> 01:08:20,462
I think the podcasters

823
01:08:20,462 --> 01:08:23,882
and individuals influencing

824
01:08:23,882 --> 01:08:26,202
or engaging in the culture

825
01:08:26,202 --> 01:08:30,122
is to also sell

826
01:08:30,122 --> 01:08:32,742
you're way ahead on this process

827
01:08:32,742 --> 01:08:35,162
with what you're doing with Finding Home

828
01:08:35,162 --> 01:08:36,502
because you're going through this process

829
01:08:36,502 --> 01:08:39,862
of finding patrons to fund your project

830
01:08:39,862 --> 01:08:42,102
that you're putting a lot of time and effort into,

831
01:08:42,262 --> 01:08:43,823
which is expensive.

832
01:08:44,022 --> 01:08:44,782
There's travel.

833
01:08:45,502 --> 01:08:47,342
It's very high production quality.

834
01:08:48,262 --> 01:08:50,402
A lot of thought process done in the editing.

835
01:08:50,923 --> 01:08:52,142
Very labor intensive.

836
01:08:54,842 --> 01:08:58,502
But I think, you know, I know of other people

837
01:08:58,502 --> 01:09:00,362
that, you know, people running

838
01:09:00,362 --> 01:09:04,262
independent media companies, you know,

839
01:09:04,262 --> 01:09:07,342
that are trying to go through the process themselves,

840
01:09:07,342 --> 01:09:12,962
you know to secure funding to be able to do the things that they want to and i think that's a

841
01:09:12,962 --> 01:09:19,022
it's a it's a process that i think creatives really struggle with

842
01:09:19,022 --> 01:09:27,182
in general is securing that funding and and selling themselves like it um you know because

843
01:09:27,182 --> 01:09:30,542
they're creatives and usually creatives are they're kind of like devs where they're they're

844
01:09:30,542 --> 01:09:38,083
kind of retarded in some ways and uh um at least to communicating to to different types of people

845
01:09:38,083 --> 01:09:45,922
and organizing information and tasks and and things like that but yeah it's um

846
01:09:45,922 --> 01:09:55,343
it's possible i just think like the the mechanisms of the way the world actually works need to be

847
01:09:55,343 --> 01:09:57,343
you know, looked at, you know, seriously.

848
01:09:58,702 --> 01:09:59,622
But yeah, I don't know.

849
01:09:59,742 --> 01:10:00,402
I mean, it'd be cool.

850
01:10:00,602 --> 01:10:02,242
I'm just so happy that Skardosh,

851
01:10:02,323 --> 01:10:05,522
I think it's so cool that they're on Zappstream 24-7.

852
01:10:05,742 --> 01:10:07,882
They're streaming on Fountain,

853
01:10:08,063 --> 01:10:08,942
they're streaming on,

854
01:10:10,622 --> 01:10:13,762
like, I think a huge thing is like, you know,

855
01:10:13,803 --> 01:10:14,882
for people that are listening

856
01:10:14,882 --> 01:10:17,602
that want things to be more interesting,

857
01:10:18,602 --> 01:10:20,762
go engage with the people that are interested

858
01:10:20,762 --> 01:10:23,982
and become loyal, loyal fans.

859
01:10:23,982 --> 01:10:27,762
because what that shows, like, you know, you show up,

860
01:10:27,803 --> 01:10:30,063
you support these artists that are here, like Joe Martin.

861
01:10:30,323 --> 01:10:31,262
Joe Martin's pretty cool.

862
01:10:34,262 --> 01:10:39,942
Other artists will see that, and they'll be attracted to that.

863
01:10:40,722 --> 01:10:43,642
And then those artists can then go talk to their friends.

864
01:10:43,642 --> 01:10:49,083
Like, you know, imagine if Scardust had become the darling of Nostra.

865
01:10:50,782 --> 01:11:00,983
Everybody freaked out Wow There this group that is incredibly talented Some of the best musicians in the world

866
01:11:01,023 --> 01:11:01,923
if not the best,

867
01:11:02,043 --> 01:11:04,563
I think Noah's easily one of the best singers in the world.

868
01:11:04,863 --> 01:11:05,123
Yeah.

869
01:11:05,543 --> 01:11:05,923
And she,

870
01:11:06,083 --> 01:11:06,303
she,

871
01:11:06,403 --> 01:11:10,543
she's so multi-faceted in her talents.

872
01:11:11,363 --> 01:11:13,483
If Noster had lost their minds,

873
01:11:13,483 --> 01:11:15,323
like they have,

874
01:11:15,583 --> 01:11:15,883
you know,

875
01:11:15,883 --> 01:11:16,703
for other people,

876
01:11:18,003 --> 01:11:19,583
Noah's on tour right now.

877
01:11:20,863 --> 01:11:25,463
every night, almost every night in front of tens of thousands of people.

878
01:11:26,523 --> 01:11:31,263
By the way, Richard, the first Bitcoiner to be in front of such large crowds,

879
01:11:31,403 --> 01:11:33,483
I don't think too many people are realizing this.

880
01:11:33,763 --> 01:11:37,743
Who was the last Bitcoiner that you know who's walked out onto a stage?

881
01:11:38,023 --> 01:11:41,623
Doesn't even have to be a performer or any Bitcoiner,

882
01:11:41,723 --> 01:11:46,603
even Michael Saylor, I don't think he's ever spoken to a crowd that large.

883
01:11:46,603 --> 01:11:56,443
um phil labonte of all that remains but he's not like as engaged in the ecosystem

884
01:11:56,443 --> 01:12:04,703
he doesn't listen to my podcast like scardust does for mine but uh yeah i mean there's there's

885
01:12:04,703 --> 01:12:13,143
really not that many absolutely let's go jack dorsey yeah maybe jack yeah i mean jack jack

886
01:12:13,143 --> 01:12:20,423
speaks at uh like his uh this is crazy so he he has like company-wide meetings where he brings

887
01:12:20,423 --> 01:12:25,703
tens of thousands of people into a stadium flies them in from all over the world and speaks in

888
01:12:25,703 --> 01:12:33,703
front of his company just his company uh it's tens of thousands of people it's pretty wild yeah but

889
01:12:33,703 --> 01:12:38,903
they have to be there richard they haven't they haven't shown up voluntarily as they have for noah's

890
01:12:38,903 --> 01:12:46,483
concerts yeah yeah they didn't pay to do they're getting paid yeah for sure yeah but yeah i mean

891
01:12:46,483 --> 01:12:51,623
like you know i think this is this is important you know for individuals that care about the

892
01:12:51,623 --> 01:13:02,203
ecosystem is to be able to identify the individuals that are really uh skilled you know because like

893
01:13:02,203 --> 01:13:06,263
Noah could be on tour right now being like, holy shit.

894
01:13:06,823 --> 01:13:11,523
I've amassed this huge engaged audience, all these musicians.

895
01:13:11,523 --> 01:13:13,123
She's, she's hanging out with this.

896
01:13:13,123 --> 01:13:17,763
I forgot the violinist name, but she has a following.

897
01:13:17,923 --> 01:13:19,483
She's hanging out with Patty Gertie.

898
01:13:19,883 --> 01:13:22,663
They're hanging out doing Instagram videos every day.

899
01:13:23,943 --> 01:13:31,383
And she could, she could be telling Patty Gertie and, and the violinist that,

900
01:13:31,383 --> 01:13:39,703
uh nostr is a place to be and um you know this is why like i've gotten paid thousands of dollars

901
01:13:39,703 --> 01:13:45,623
it wasn't just avian and richard boosting our stuff um and uh

902
01:13:48,743 --> 01:13:52,903
so i think this is a this is important for for people in the community to understand

903
01:13:52,903 --> 01:13:55,223
um you know how they can have influence

904
01:13:55,223 --> 01:14:03,343
part of it is is supporting you know people that are doing things that are interesting

905
01:14:03,343 --> 01:14:12,363
um but yeah anyways i'll get off my soapbox on that but yeah it's uh well i mean part of the

906
01:14:12,363 --> 01:14:18,323
reason why i i think you and i both know the answer to this which is why did scardust not

907
01:14:18,323 --> 01:14:21,663
have a massive reaction on Osterbuck as well.

908
01:14:21,783 --> 01:14:24,263
I mean, most people listen to slop.

909
01:14:24,723 --> 01:14:27,503
They don't, I mean, the minute you introduce some complexity

910
01:14:27,503 --> 01:14:32,283
and especially something like prog metal,

911
01:14:32,563 --> 01:14:33,943
prog rock or prog metal,

912
01:14:34,063 --> 01:14:38,503
it's just, it's such a niche and almost inaccessible genre

913
01:14:38,503 --> 01:14:41,883
that you actually need to have something wrong with you,

914
01:14:41,883 --> 01:14:46,323
like I do, to find it compelling.

915
01:14:46,323 --> 01:14:48,163
I don't know

916
01:14:48,163 --> 01:14:50,283
I mean they put out a video

917
01:14:50,283 --> 01:14:51,743
they put out a music video

918
01:14:51,743 --> 01:14:53,783
featuring Satoshi Nakamoto

919
01:14:53,783 --> 01:14:54,963
fair enough yeah

920
01:14:54,963 --> 01:14:57,383
like that should be enough

921
01:14:57,383 --> 01:14:58,183
that should be enough

922
01:14:58,183 --> 01:15:01,963
can you imagine if they did that

923
01:15:01,963 --> 01:15:04,103
in the 2021 bull market

924
01:15:04,103 --> 01:15:06,143
I don't know

925
01:15:06,143 --> 01:15:07,223
maybe it's the timing

926
01:15:07,223 --> 01:15:08,543
yeah I don't know

927
01:15:08,543 --> 01:15:12,043
the lack of reaction is so

928
01:15:12,043 --> 01:15:14,183
fascinating to me I haven't figured it out

929
01:15:14,183 --> 01:15:15,503
um

930
01:15:16,323 --> 01:15:21,423
I'm actually, I'm very astounded and I am very disappointed.

931
01:15:22,183 --> 01:15:23,343
That is disappointing.

932
01:15:23,503 --> 01:15:27,683
I mean, I, you know, that, that video by itself, probably you're, you're right.

933
01:15:27,863 --> 01:15:30,863
Should have had a lot more eyeballs and interest.

934
01:15:31,803 --> 01:15:35,863
Um, having said that, look, it's, it's, it's inaccessible music, right?

935
01:15:35,903 --> 01:15:41,723
I, I love it, but I think the music is somewhat inaccessible because of its complexity.

936
01:15:43,203 --> 01:15:43,723
Yeah.

937
01:15:44,183 --> 01:15:45,023
I don't know.

938
01:15:45,023 --> 01:15:47,643
I mean I just all I see is

939
01:15:47,643 --> 01:15:48,683
Skill

940
01:15:48,683 --> 01:15:50,823
High production value

941
01:15:50,823 --> 01:15:52,343
Likes bitcoin

942
01:15:52,343 --> 01:15:55,083
I mean you

943
01:15:55,083 --> 01:15:57,543
I figured the simps would show up for now

944
01:15:57,543 --> 01:15:59,843
But not even the simps have showed up

945
01:15:59,843 --> 01:16:01,063
For I don't get it

946
01:16:01,063 --> 01:16:03,563
They're too busy

947
01:16:03,563 --> 01:16:05,303
Like going after Lauren Hoddle

948
01:16:05,303 --> 01:16:06,663
Or you know whoever on twitter

949
01:16:06,663 --> 01:16:09,343
But yeah anyways

950
01:16:09,343 --> 01:16:11,203
Well um

951
01:16:11,203 --> 01:16:13,703
I know we're kind of coming up on uh

952
01:16:15,023 --> 01:16:17,603
your cutoff time.

953
01:16:18,223 --> 01:16:20,903
It's been a pleasure to have this conversation.

954
01:16:21,043 --> 01:16:24,603
I always enjoy spending time chatting with you.

955
01:16:25,143 --> 01:16:28,623
One of my favorite times with you is hanging out, smoking.

956
01:16:28,843 --> 01:16:29,783
I'm smoking cigarettes.

957
01:16:29,843 --> 01:16:30,703
You're smoking cigars.

958
01:16:30,823 --> 01:16:33,043
We'll have to do that again in the future.

959
01:16:35,183 --> 01:16:39,243
One of the things that we do at the end of the show is we read all the

960
01:16:39,243 --> 01:16:42,063
fountain booths from the previous episode that we did.

961
01:16:42,063 --> 01:16:49,243
um part of part of i mean you already understand because you you are very engaged in fountain and

962
01:16:49,243 --> 01:16:53,983
uh in the fountain booths but part of the reason why i like to do this is because i like to show

963
01:16:53,983 --> 01:17:02,143
my guests that we do get fountain booths um because people people need to see that custodial

964
01:17:02,143 --> 01:17:11,983
lightning work but um uh yeah kind of wrapping up before i go into this real quick um

965
01:17:11,983 --> 01:17:19,283
you have you have anything important that you want to you know share any closing thoughts

966
01:17:19,283 --> 01:17:25,783
well you know look it's it's always great chatting with you richard yes agreed uh i think

967
01:17:25,783 --> 01:17:31,583
We are long overdue a smoke, even though it was just a month and a half ago.

968
01:17:31,643 --> 01:17:32,823
It still feels long overdue.

969
01:17:33,403 --> 01:17:36,103
That was a good few days out in Nashville.

970
01:17:38,263 --> 01:17:41,283
Other than that, yeah, look, listen to Plep Chain Radio.

971
01:17:42,003 --> 01:17:50,383
Try and fly the flag for the values that we talked about on the show.

972
01:17:50,383 --> 01:17:59,203
You can check out my books, July 18th and the prequel 24, available for purchase on Amazon.

973
01:18:00,103 --> 01:18:01,603
Finding Home is my show.

974
01:18:01,763 --> 01:18:04,843
It's available on IndieHub, episode three.

975
01:18:05,523 --> 01:18:11,983
By the way, the episode two was edited by Noah, who we've been talking about all this while.

976
01:18:12,563 --> 01:18:15,543
And Lahav was the director of post-production.

977
01:18:16,343 --> 01:18:18,683
Noah, obviously, has been busy, as we've discussed.

978
01:18:18,683 --> 01:18:24,463
but Lahav is the director of post-production for episode three which is which is filmed in Paraguay

979
01:18:24,463 --> 01:18:30,803
that will come out sometime in early January and then episode four which I just wrapped up

980
01:18:30,803 --> 01:18:39,443
filming will be out early March I think but yeah that's that's what I have Richard thank you for

981
01:18:39,443 --> 01:18:48,303
having me so do you suggest reading the original first or the prequel first no I would say so 24

982
01:18:48,303 --> 01:18:50,083
is the original.

983
01:18:50,383 --> 01:18:52,963
So that, it probably makes sense to read that.

984
01:18:53,363 --> 01:18:55,263
Now, I will say, if you're hearing this,

985
01:18:55,403 --> 01:18:57,043
just hold off until mid-December.

986
01:18:57,243 --> 01:18:58,963
I'm about to release a second edition

987
01:18:58,963 --> 01:19:00,583
where I've done a bit of cleanup

988
01:19:00,583 --> 01:19:02,703
of some of the language.

989
01:19:03,223 --> 01:19:06,163
So 24 edition two will be out.

990
01:19:06,543 --> 01:19:08,823
Mid-December probably makes sense to start with that.

991
01:19:08,823 --> 01:19:10,823
You can start with July 18 first,

992
01:19:11,443 --> 01:19:16,823
but clearly there are a lot of spoilers for 24 in there.

993
01:19:16,823 --> 01:19:23,103
Um, so if you really want to do it the right way, 24 first and then July 18th, which picks

994
01:19:23,103 --> 01:19:24,643
up where it left off.

995
01:19:26,843 --> 01:19:27,563
Very cool.

996
01:19:27,903 --> 01:19:31,623
I'm actually going to read the found abuse after, uh, you hop off.

997
01:19:31,703 --> 01:19:36,103
I'm just going to monologue it, but cause I don't, I don't need to show you that custodial

998
01:19:36,103 --> 01:19:36,663
lightning works.

999
01:19:36,763 --> 01:19:37,243
You already know.

1000
01:19:38,803 --> 01:19:39,243
Awesome.

1001
01:19:39,303 --> 01:19:44,763
What, what is, I see Lahav when you shared the screen, uh, he said something in Hebrew.

1002
01:19:45,103 --> 01:19:45,923
What is the translation?

1003
01:19:46,823 --> 01:19:49,783
Yeah, I actually translated it earlier.

1004
01:19:49,783 --> 01:19:52,983
Wahav, we don't speak Jew.

1005
01:19:52,983 --> 01:19:56,323
You gotta speak in English,

1006
01:19:56,323 --> 01:19:58,523
but you wrote,

1007
01:19:59,603 --> 01:20:01,763
awesome Bubba and awesome Bugle,

1008
01:20:01,763 --> 01:20:03,963
super intelligent conversation,

1009
01:20:03,963 --> 01:20:06,323
hashtag 40 hours per week.

1010
01:20:06,323 --> 01:20:11,403
Ah, it looks a lot better written right to left.

1011
01:20:11,403 --> 01:20:12,943
I'm assuming that's right to left.

1012
01:20:12,943 --> 01:20:18,423
I yeah I guess you're right yeah um

1013
01:20:18,423 --> 01:20:23,303
yeah it's funny I guess you keep on leaving uh

1014
01:20:23,303 --> 01:20:27,023
fountain boost in Hebrew everybody's gonna think you're Mossad

1015
01:20:27,023 --> 01:20:32,643
but like this guy's gonna blow up our hardware wallets watch out

1016
01:20:32,643 --> 01:20:35,703
but

1017
01:20:35,703 --> 01:20:41,063
great guy I like Le Havre a lot

1018
01:20:41,063 --> 01:20:43,063
He's just like...

1019
01:20:43,063 --> 01:20:45,063
He's a good man.

1020
01:20:45,063 --> 01:20:51,063
He's another guy that I think needs, you know, would benefit from a lot of people engaging with.

1021
01:20:51,063 --> 01:20:55,063
Like, he's the guy that is really excited about Noster.

1022
01:20:55,063 --> 01:21:01,063
So he does all of Scardust music videos.

1023
01:21:01,063 --> 01:21:03,823
And he is, in my opinion...

1024
01:21:03,843 --> 01:21:08,563
opinion, easily one of the best video producers in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

1025
01:21:11,563 --> 01:21:19,383
Yeah, I, well, I second that. I witnessed his work firsthand on finding home and he's

1026
01:21:19,383 --> 01:21:26,523
absolute master at it. Also doing a lot of vibe nostering, if I'm not mistaken. He's,

1027
01:21:26,523 --> 01:21:32,023
I think that the whole 24 hour stream, and I think he's looking into self-hosting his

1028
01:21:32,023 --> 01:21:33,883
zap.stream as well.

1029
01:21:34,183 --> 01:21:38,343
So a bit of a tinkerer on that front as well.

1030
01:21:40,963 --> 01:21:42,383
Yeah, I mean, it's awesome.

1031
01:21:42,803 --> 01:21:43,563
It's awesome.

1032
01:21:44,083 --> 01:21:46,703
Like, I think it's just, you know,

1033
01:21:46,723 --> 01:21:49,923
when I find these individuals that are interested like this,

1034
01:21:49,923 --> 01:21:51,403
that are doing interesting things,

1035
01:21:51,983 --> 01:21:54,303
I get excited.

1036
01:21:54,303 --> 01:21:59,463
And I just, it's fun to watch.

1037
01:21:59,883 --> 01:22:01,623
It really is cool.

1038
01:22:02,023 --> 01:22:14,083
to see but makes me happy that Lahav listens to my podcast but well yeah Avi I really appreciate

1039
01:22:14,083 --> 01:22:19,643
you coming on got a tremendous amount of respect for you you've been wading through the bad UX

1040
01:22:19,643 --> 01:22:27,023
you have way more tolerance for it than I do yeah appreciate you having me um and looking forward

1041
01:22:27,023 --> 01:22:30,023
to cashing up whenever it is next time.

1042
01:22:32,363 --> 01:22:33,563
It'll have to be soon.

1043
01:22:34,283 --> 01:22:34,763
Yes.

1044
01:22:36,903 --> 01:22:39,023
All right, folks, back to the Fountain Boost.

1045
01:22:39,723 --> 01:22:41,423
Big thank you to Avi for coming on.

1046
01:22:41,483 --> 01:22:43,683
We already read Lahav's boost, but yeah,

1047
01:22:43,763 --> 01:22:47,523
Fundamentals 10,101 sats says Bubba's National Treasure.

1048
01:22:48,223 --> 01:22:53,043
ISR podcast is two for two with getting great guest performances.

1049
01:22:53,883 --> 01:22:56,003
Well, I think we're three for three at this point with Avi,

1050
01:22:56,003 --> 01:23:03,843
but um yeah appreciate it uh fundamentals baba truly is a national treasure what a guy

1051
01:23:03,843 --> 01:23:09,763
what a great guy he just put out uh another two angry cunts podcast which i gotta listen to

1052
01:23:09,763 --> 01:23:18,083
him and sylvie talking about tuning out the noise um fundamentals is uh working for an audiobook

1053
01:23:18,083 --> 01:23:27,543
like i if you're writing a book for this ecosystem i think it's really important to to write to do

1054
01:23:27,543 --> 01:23:32,423
the audiobook right off the bat because like you're writing books for podcast listeners is

1055
01:23:32,423 --> 01:23:37,083
how people uh communicate information so i i'm just getting i'm getting the word out there i'm

1056
01:23:37,083 --> 01:23:42,163
i'm hassling everybody about it that's writing books get the audiobook and i'll release it around

1057
01:23:42,163 --> 01:23:48,763
the same time because like you get all this momentum going around the book around the launch

1058
01:23:48,763 --> 01:24:03,031
right you do your announcement you announce your book and then there all these people are like well you know i i just i consume information for via audio like i gonna listen to you talk about the book on the podcast like they they

1059
01:24:03,031 --> 01:24:09,471
much more likely to go through your book and hear what you have to say that this thing that you put

1060
01:24:09,471 --> 01:24:18,751
all this time into if you did the audiobook um and there's ways to do it but um yeah anyways i'm

1061
01:24:18,751 --> 01:24:23,191
keep on the hassling if you don't have an audiobook i'm coming after you make the audiobook

1062
01:24:23,191 --> 01:24:32,551
podcast listeners need it next boost late stage huddle 6,006 sats says another podcast with three

1063
01:24:32,551 --> 01:24:39,331
friends i've hugged my bitcoin podcast ui continues to improve love you baba and bugle boys my dad

1064
01:24:39,331 --> 01:24:45,671
lived in a trailer park too when he was younger probably why he's better than a better man than me

1065
01:24:45,671 --> 01:24:53,631
also after you didn't read my last boost for the intellectual silk road i see that it posted

1066
01:24:53,631 --> 01:24:59,971
without any sats those are now sats lost to the ether of bad ux on fountain hope these make it to

1067
01:24:59,971 --> 01:25:05,771
your podconf approved custodial lightning wallet well it looks like they made it uh apologies on

1068
01:25:05,771 --> 01:25:15,291
the boost that's a bummer i if your dad late stage hondle is a better man than you

1069
01:25:15,291 --> 01:25:20,231
i can't even begin to imagine how great he is because you're pretty cool dude

1070
01:25:20,231 --> 01:25:27,231
looking forward to hugging you again in the future uh baba 5000 sat says thanks fellas

1071
01:25:27,231 --> 01:25:34,431
that was fun it is all about the tits oh yeah that was that was a major point of this conversation

1072
01:25:34,431 --> 01:25:39,011
was talking about tits i think this is where you know rod coined the term plebslop tits and i had

1073
01:25:39,011 --> 01:25:42,951
a little bit of conniption because i just didn't understand what he's talking about i'm a huge fan

1074
01:25:42,951 --> 01:25:58,251
of tits uh tits matter she appreciate tits skate kate kt i think i've met you i'm not sure but uh

1075
01:25:58,251 --> 01:26:05,811
skate kate her her bio on oscar snowboarder tavern owner clean food advocate bitcoin podcast

1076
01:26:05,811 --> 01:26:12,251
listener lover of sarcasm sounds like a true pioneer to me 2300 sat says yes richard all

1077
01:26:12,251 --> 01:26:18,471
tits do matter but rod is right on this one some are just better than others i don't understand

1078
01:26:18,471 --> 01:26:24,291
what you don't understand about plup slot milkers the conversation along with using baby oil and ky

1079
01:26:24,291 --> 01:26:31,391
jelly as minor immersion fluids proves that bubba is in fact innocent and he is also correct

1080
01:26:31,391 --> 01:26:39,111
tits and bitcoin are big supporters of good tits great closing song too i forgot what we did i

1081
01:26:39,111 --> 01:27:02,678
think we did one of bubba songs for the closing i not sure uh i don remember but uh yeah tits recognized tits i think i think that the message that skate kate has to say and uh that a good message two angry cunts podcast 2222 sat says electrolyte the tits

1082
01:27:02,678 --> 01:27:11,798
save the world that's sylvie go check out the two angry cunts podcast two of the funniest

1083
01:27:11,798 --> 01:27:17,198
most interesting boomers in the world i'm not sure uh sylvie might be gen x i don't know

1084
01:27:17,198 --> 01:27:22,378
but in your in our eyes sylvie you're still a boomer because you're hanging out with bubba

1085
01:27:22,378 --> 01:27:29,218
doing a podcast talking about boomer things a lot of a lot of gen xers they they act like boomers

1086
01:27:29,218 --> 01:27:33,038
to the younger generations of people it just

1087
01:27:33,038 --> 01:27:36,758
all seems the same but uh

1088
01:27:36,758 --> 01:27:37,598
uh,

1089
01:27:37,598 --> 01:27:39,498
either way,

1090
01:27:39,518 --> 01:27:40,458
we still appreciate it.

1091
01:27:40,458 --> 01:27:40,718
You're,

1092
01:27:40,778 --> 01:27:41,258
you're the,

1093
01:27:41,338 --> 01:27:42,458
you're the hope for the world.

1094
01:27:42,578 --> 01:27:42,798
You're,

1095
01:27:42,898 --> 01:27:43,118
you're,

1096
01:27:43,238 --> 01:27:47,138
you're shining example that the broccoli hair coats shouldn't,

1097
01:27:47,138 --> 01:27:47,438
uh,

1098
01:27:47,438 --> 01:27:48,458
hate all the boomers.

1099
01:27:50,198 --> 01:27:50,718
Chad rack,

1100
01:27:51,078 --> 01:27:52,718
963 sat says,

1101
01:27:52,818 --> 01:27:53,438
thank you guys.

1102
01:27:53,678 --> 01:27:54,358
Great rip.

1103
01:27:55,378 --> 01:27:56,738
Shout out to Shrad rack.

1104
01:27:57,638 --> 01:27:58,518
Great guy.

1105
01:27:59,978 --> 01:28:03,598
Not cause 808 sasses liking the ISR format.

1106
01:28:03,698 --> 01:28:05,458
Good entropy for the 40 HPW.

1107
01:28:05,458 --> 01:28:05,858
Well,

1108
01:28:05,898 --> 01:28:06,178
thank you.

1109
01:28:06,218 --> 01:28:06,618
Not cause.

1110
01:28:06,758 --> 01:28:09,878
Sasha Hodder, 500sat, says, innocent.

1111
01:28:11,558 --> 01:28:14,898
Gardis, 420sat, says, this episode made me chuckle.

1112
01:28:14,998 --> 01:28:15,858
Keep up the good work.

1113
01:28:17,138 --> 01:28:19,958
News and Guidance, 333sat, says, keep going.

1114
01:28:20,038 --> 01:28:22,178
Great source of high-entropy human content.

1115
01:28:24,158 --> 01:28:24,698
Well, thank you.

1116
01:28:25,778 --> 01:28:27,778
Got some boosters I've never seen before.

1117
01:28:28,558 --> 01:28:32,018
God's Death, 237sat, says, thank you, gentlemen.

1118
01:28:32,218 --> 01:28:32,898
Well, you're welcome.

1119
01:28:33,398 --> 01:28:36,598
BTC Onboard, Ellen Hance, or CTV, 100sat,

1120
01:28:36,598 --> 01:28:48,918
says three thumbs ups emoji well guys thank you um i enjoyed this episode with avi a lot i i get

1121
01:28:48,918 --> 01:28:55,078
excited when people are getting creative and trying new things and avi avi's getting creative

1122
01:28:55,078 --> 01:28:59,518
and trying new things so definitely check out his finding home series i think right after

1123
01:28:59,518 --> 01:29:07,298
i hit the the stop button on this recording i'm going to go over and watch episode one which i've

1124
01:29:07,298 --> 01:29:12,778
missed he said episode three is coming out soon i didn't even ask him where where it was but uh

1125
01:29:12,778 --> 01:29:17,698
yeah i mean it's a big one travel show like we know that joe nakamoto is trying to do this but

1126
01:29:17,698 --> 01:29:25,278
joe nakamoto sucks like he's eating he's eating penis cakes to get views on youtube like obviously

1127
01:29:25,278 --> 01:29:31,298
doesn't do that um and you know what's also cool about the story is you know the individuals that

1128
01:29:31,298 --> 01:29:36,518
he has evolved at that like episode two the one that i watched he had uh no groom and edit it

1129
01:29:36,518 --> 01:29:47,965
which is super cool she the best but yeah anyways thank you guys for listening to this episode and catch you soon Yeah It a cash alert

1130
01:29:48,845 --> 01:29:50,765
Seasonal depression wrapped in tinsel, baby.

1131
01:29:51,845 --> 01:29:53,125
Broccoli haircut on flake.

1132
01:29:53,685 --> 01:29:54,345
Merry crisis.

1133
01:29:54,625 --> 01:29:55,145
Happy New Year.

1134
01:29:55,265 --> 01:29:55,565
Let's go.

1135
01:29:56,285 --> 01:29:57,705
Grandma said smile more.

1136
01:29:57,985 --> 01:29:58,885
It's Christmas.

1137
01:29:59,145 --> 01:30:01,905
But my soul's on dial-up, stuck with the glitches.

1138
01:30:01,905 --> 01:30:04,505
Everyone flexing their gifts in the pictures.

1139
01:30:04,725 --> 01:30:07,045
I'm just trying to figure out if joy still exists.

1140
01:30:07,145 --> 01:30:09,725
Amazon boxes on the floor like snow

1141
01:30:09,725 --> 01:30:12,505
Dad's yelling about fiat while the lights won't glow

1142
01:30:12,505 --> 01:30:15,245
He keeps saying Bitcoin fixes this, you know

1143
01:30:15,245 --> 01:30:18,085
But the price chart looking like a sad trombone

1144
01:30:18,085 --> 01:30:18,885
It's a broccoli

1145
01:30:18,885 --> 01:30:23,205
Haircut Christmas, curl pro freeze with a peppermint wishlist

1146
01:30:23,205 --> 01:30:25,965
Silent night, but my heart won't listen

1147
01:30:25,965 --> 01:30:29,265
Cause all of these vibes feel pay to winces

1148
01:30:29,265 --> 01:30:29,885
A broccoli

1149
01:30:29,885 --> 01:30:34,185
Haircut Christmas, Gen Z dreams in a late stage business

1150
01:30:34,185 --> 01:30:37,105
Boomers swear BTC gon' fix this

1151
01:30:37,105 --> 01:30:41,165
But I'm still broke and the world's still vicious, yeah

1152
01:30:41,165 --> 01:30:45,365
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh

1153
01:30:45,365 --> 01:30:49,085
Wrap my feelings in a Target bag

1154
01:30:49,085 --> 01:30:52,185
Tell Santa I'm good, but my serotonin lags

1155
01:30:52,185 --> 01:30:54,625
Mom says, honey, just touch some grass

1156
01:30:54,625 --> 01:30:57,685
But the lawn got sold a black rock last August

1157
01:30:57,685 --> 01:31:00,125
Elf on the shelf, got a ring light now

1158
01:31:00,125 --> 01:31:02,885
Doing dances for clout, yelling, run it up, wow

1159
01:31:02,885 --> 01:31:05,645
This whole holiday feels like a rug pull clown

1160
01:31:05,645 --> 01:31:08,425
Even Rudolph tryna shill coins to the town

1161
01:31:08,425 --> 01:31:11,445
And the plebs keep saying that faith just huddle

1162
01:31:11,445 --> 01:31:14,105
But I'm sippin' eggnog from a reused bottle

1163
01:31:14,105 --> 01:31:16,845
Every more or less I'm feelin' kinda hollow

1164
01:31:16,845 --> 01:31:19,625
Like a Hallmark card with influence or sorrow

1165
01:31:19,625 --> 01:31:22,345
It's a broccoli haircut Christmas

1166
01:31:22,345 --> 01:31:25,265
Curl bro freeze with a peppermint wishlist

1167
01:31:25,265 --> 01:31:28,065
Silent night but my heart won't listen

1168
01:31:28,065 --> 01:31:31,165
Cause all of these vibes feel pay to winces

1169
01:31:31,165 --> 01:31:33,385
It's a broccoli haircut Christmas

1170
01:31:33,385 --> 01:31:36,265
Gen Z dreams in a late stage business

1171
01:31:36,265 --> 01:31:39,265
Boomers swear BTC gon' fix this

1172
01:31:39,265 --> 01:31:42,345
But I'm still broke and the world's still vicious

1173
01:31:42,345 --> 01:31:45,305
Stock is full of QR codes

1174
01:31:45,305 --> 01:31:48,405
Dad yelling self-custody or the whole thing blows

1175
01:31:48,405 --> 01:31:50,505
He said hyperbic coinizations close

1176
01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:53,525
But he said that 2 and 21 broke

1177
01:31:53,525 --> 01:31:56,085
Candy cane chain swinging low

1178
01:31:56,085 --> 01:31:58,925
Brockie fades sharper than Sailor's FOMO

1179
01:31:58,925 --> 01:32:01,745
Christmas cheer, man, I don't even owe

1180
01:32:01,745 --> 01:32:04,365
Feels like another patch download for my soul

1181
01:32:04,365 --> 01:32:07,285
So here's to the plebs, the charge, the coke

1182
01:32:07,285 --> 01:32:10,285
To gifting each other that last ounce of hope

1183
01:32:10,285 --> 01:32:13,485
Cause Bitcoin might fix the world, I suppose

1184
01:32:13,485 --> 01:32:19,005
But it still ain't fix my seasonal load

1185
01:32:19,005 --> 01:32:23,105
Merry broccoli

1186
01:32:23,105 --> 01:32:26,045
Happy nothingness

1187
01:32:26,045 --> 01:32:29,065
Eat cash out

1188
01:32:29,065 --> 01:32:32,025
E-Cashow