Folks, we have a special show today.
This is an intellectual Silk Road episode.
Rod Palmer still out of commission, but he will be back soon.
Today joining me is Avi Burra of the Plep Chain Radio podcast.
Plep Chain Radio, I think, was the second podcast I ever went on after starting the Beagle.
they have been some of the biggest supporter supporters of our show of our of the bugle in
general and i'm a huge fan of the stuff that avi is doing i'm excited to get into this uh
avi what do you what do you got going on how you doing tonight i'm doing well and happy to be here
mr greaser uh big fan of the bugle i might have been one of the first listeners of the bugle
podcast, definitely one of the first boosters, if I'm not mistaken. I remember listening to your
first episode, and you had this intro with Joe Rogan and Morgan Freeman and all these others,
and I thought that was one of the best podcast intros I'd heard. I mean, now you've been doing
it for so long that people can't expect it. But at that time, in the first Bugle episode,
when you had that three or four minute long intro
with all of these voices.
It was, yeah, it was quite something.
So yes, big fan of the show.
And yeah, so you asked, what have I got going on?
I have a few things going on.
Plep Chain Radio, as you mentioned,
it's a weekly ongoing podcast.
We stream live on Noster
and then it's up on Fountain
and other podcasting platforms.
The next day, I also have a travel show called Finding Home, and this is video.
And it's sort of Anthony Bourdain inspired.
I travel the world, talk to Bitcoiners, preferably not about Bitcoin, but more about the lives they're leading, how they're finding home in a new land.
And we try to eat delicious food, walk around the town, talk about the architecture and so on.
And Bitcoin does creep in.
uh, somehow. But, uh, yeah, I have that going on two officially released episodes.
Third one, uh, in post-production should be out in about a month. And the fourth one was just
recorded, uh, in, in the UK. Uh, so that'll be out sometime in March. Uh, and then the other thing I
have going on is, uh, I'm also an author. Uh, I write fiction, surrealist, uh, magic realist,
mystery thrillers, whatever you want to call them,
with Bitcoin as a fairly core theme.
I've just released my second novel.
It's called July 18.
It's the sequel to my first one, 24,
which I released in 2023.
So yeah, I have that going on.
And then I'm tinkering.
I'm also a technologist,
so I'm tinkering around with some Web of Trust stuff on NOSTA.
I have a company.
I co-founded it called NOS Fabrica.
Very cool.
yeah i'm looking on indie hub right now i only see episode two i didn't watch episode one yet
it should be there it should be there on indie hub if you will find it eventually
but yeah i i thought that was good it is a cool travel show it's um
better than the stuff that the the trash that they're putting out pbs i would say i think you
have a bright career ahead of you in regards to travel um i've been meaning to uh read your books
and i have not gotten around to it i feel real bad about that they're big books it takes time
these are not quick reads do you have the audiobook out yet no uh i don't and that that is a project
in and of itself.
First of all, like I said,
they're long books.
So the first one is about 150,000 words.
The sequel, July 18,
which I just released,
is about 180,000 words.
So it's a solid,
maybe 20-hour commitment
to record each one.
The other thing is,
which I haven't fully figured out,
is because they're books of fiction
and they're multiple voices,
maybe it's just a matter of sitting down and doing it and seeing what it sounds like
but because there are multiple voices and some male, some female
I just don't know how to even begin
do I just read in a monotone all of these voices
or do I change the cadence, do I change the pitch
yeah, so a lot of things to juggle
but at some point there will be audiobooks, yes
yeah i think you just got to do impressions you know what i mean like the really good audiobook
readers they do impressions i'm curious like you know how would you do like a hot girl
impression of her voice versus a not hot girl oh um i don't know actually um maybe just make it
more the hot girl impression would be more breathy i suppose husky huskier voice but
obviously i'd have to hire the pitch i'm not particularly good at uh impressions
richard so i'd probably end up completely botching it and and offending people in the process
well it's impossible not to offend people but uh yeah i mean i think it'd be interesting like
what you could even do is, you know, for the hot ones,
you could have like a Lynn Alden impression or like a cloned voice.
And then for the not hot ones, you could do an E-frat.
What's her name? Ferguson or Ferguson?
Yeah. Look, I think you just gave me an idea, actually,
which is there is 11 labs, which is really good for AI-generated voices.
that might be something to look into actually that i could pick do it on 11 labs and then i
could just do the narrator voice oh you might have solved my problem there richard yeah i think i
think like having the hot girls be lynn alden or gloria zow and not hot ones be efrat fennigson
and Michelle Weakley would be great.
I would listen to that.
And then all the male voices could be you.
And then you could tap QW probably for some of it.
Sure.
Or I could just use 11 Labs.
Well, you could clone your voice and QW's voice.
You can clone anybody's voice that you want to.
Right.
So have you actually, have you used 11 labs?
So I did a podcast of a brief experiment where I was talking to Claude and I had Claude's.
So my voice would turn into a text prompt, which would go to the Claude API.
And then Claude's responses would go to the 11 labs API, which would.
And for each episode, I'd use a different voice for the character.
So it was basically performance art using AI.
I tried, there was one episode where I really wanted
Vladimir Zelensky's voice.
So I found a video of his or audio of his rather,
and I played it into 11 Labs cloning
and it did not allow me to clone his voice.
Basically what it does is it does the initial training
and then it says, okay, now I will generate a sentence
and you need to speak the sentence in the same voice.
And obviously I couldn't.
So maybe there are some open source voice cloning tools out there,
but the standard ones have pretty strict controls out there.
Well, just for the CIA assets.
They protect those ones.
Fair enough.
They got Zelensky flagged.
They're like, yeah, this guy, we can't have anybody cloning his voice,
but any Joe Schmo out there.
I guess that's a great way to tell if somebody's a spook or not
is you just put them into 11 labs
and figure out if it lets you clone their voice or not.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
What does the writing process look like for you?
Those are some pretty lengthy books.
how do you organize it do you use any sort of specific software i mean i'm in the middle of a
few books i just keep on uh getting distracted with other projects i would think fiction is a
little different from non-fiction um i have you know when i start the story i have a general sense
of what's going to happen, like very broad strokes plot.
And then I start writing it.
And in both the books, this is what happened.
I'd write something.
I definitely have one chapter planned out.
And the way I do it is I break a chapter up into scenes
and each scene up by beats, right?
Little stages within each scene.
By the time I finish writing one scene,
it's easy to plan one scene out, right?
There's five or six beats.
I don't know.
Scene can be a thousand words,
which is about three pages maybe two or double that So it easy to think that far ahead And I plan that out I write out the scene And within that that might trigger a new thought
something that I hadn't thought about, a new idea.
So that then flows into the next scene.
I'm able to structure that
or modify the initial idea I had there.
So for both of these books, the story,
when I started it,
I had a general sense of what I was going to write.
it changed constantly as I was writing it.
Was that pretty painful?
Not really.
Or you had to go back and rewrite things pretty frequently?
Not that much.
I had to do two or three rewrites
because the plot lines are pretty intricate
and when I changed something,
when I wanted a certain outcome,
let's say chapter 10,
I needed to go back to chapter four and change something so that it would line up with that.
But it wasn't a lot of that. So the first book I wrote, I had zero AI help. So that was 24.
I wrote that in 2023. In fact, so ChatGPT was in its very early days then. I wrote most of the book
in 2022 and early 2023. And the only time I used ChatGPT is where I needed some German text.
So I needed something to be translated in German.
That's what I used it for.
I think with July 18, I actually mostly used Gemini
for line and copy editing for the first part.
So I'd write a page or I'd write a scene.
I'd put it into Gemini and I'd say,
hey, find all the issues, syntax, whatever,
and it would flag a few things.
And I'd say, okay, are there any phrases that I can...
This is the idea in this line that I was trying to convey.
Can I reframe it or is it coming across?
And it would have, most of the time, I didn't directly take the AI suggestions.
But a lot of times it would give me an idea which I would then take and put my own tweak on it,
something that I might not have thought about.
So July 18th was a very interesting process, sort of interactive with AI, write something, put it into AI.
AI comes back with something, that triggers another thought that helps me tweak something.
So no, it wasn't frustrating at all.
And so the difference between 24, the first novel, and July 18 is when I then put it in the hands of the human editor,
24 took forever because there were all sorts of mistakes in it.
Syntax errors, you know, like putting the comma outside the quote rather than inside the quote.
Those kinds of basic things, those errors were 99.9% eliminated with July 18 because the AI just cleaned all of that stuff up.
Well, I imagine one of the great things about the type of audience that's reading your book is in the early runs of it,
it's pretty easy to get grammar Nazis to go in and correct any errors that the editor missed.
You know how Bitcoin people are.
So what are the ideas that you're trying to communicate in the book or in the books?
I think broadly, right?
As a Bitcoiner, I believe that this movement or whatever you want to call this revolution is only going to be successful with maximal adoption.
so how do we get as many people into the fold
into understanding Bitcoin and using it as money
you can certainly lecture them about
distributed systems and about Austrian
economics and so on and I'm sure that has an audience
but I think it's a very limited audience that's swayed by those types of
pedantic academic arguments
I think the vast majority of adoption is going to happen through stories.
And so that really is the idea to talk, really tell very human stories, stories that I want to tell, first of all.
Both books are about a young man grappling with the unexpected death of his father and stumbling onto a secret and learning things about his father that he didn't know while his father was alive.
And in the process, discovering something about himself.
but Bitcoin is very much a part of it as an underlying theme.
So the idea is that people reading it connect with that human story
and then in the process, because Bitcoin is just so omnipresent,
they say, what is this thing?
Maybe I should look into this.
And this is the idea behind my show as well, Finding Home.
It's telling inspiring stories of people doing amazing things,
of pioneers building things in a new land.
And then there's food and, you know, there's architecture,
there's fun conversations, and then Bitcoin is just there
in the background.
And, you know, that's how I think we drive maximal adoption
is through stories, is through film, is through art,
through music and other cultural media.
Absolutely.
i'm very i mean these are ideas that i've been trying to propagate as well
because i think the storytelling is uh has been historically pretty shallow
there there's some there's some shining examples
of individuals who are compelling storytellers but a good story this is why i like alice shrug
so much is because it is it's a very compelling story it's a compelling story talking about human
uh dignity and like you know individuals are like really reclaiming a sense of self and purpose or
or just maintaining a sense of self and purpose in a world that just does it actually despises
people that have a sense of self and purpose and are willing to use their minds and i think that's
such a relevant and compelling story in our age that we find ourselves in.
And I think it's wonderful that you're doing that.
And I think there is so much nihilism and so much doomerism in the world today, especially.
I mean, when Anwar wrote At The Shrugged, I don't think it could have been as bad as it is right now.
Like we're in late stage modernism where, you know, throwing, destroying priceless works of art is considered a major statement, right?
The people throwing soup on these magnificent paintings because climate change or whatever, right?
We are in such deep nihilistic territory that to have stories that are soaring about the human spirit, aspirational, that create hope, I think is critically important.
And, you know, again, Ayn Rand obviously wrote her books, both The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, during a time where things might not have been as bleak, but they still were soaring epics, right?
of people trying, like you said, reclaiming their sovereignty,
finding hope despite all the trials and tribulations
they have to go through in the process.
Absolutely.
It was a really interesting time in history.
The Fountainhead was written, well, she started writing it in 1938,
published it in 1943, and Atlas shrugged it right after it, 1946.
is when she started writing it.
So it took her 11 years to write Atlas Shrugged,
so she published it in 1957.
That was an interesting time in history.
I mean, right around World War II,
right, a few years after the Great Depression.
Was she in New York?
I can't remember.
Where was she?
I think she lived around a little bit.
She was in L.A. for a little bit
because she was trying to be an actress.
is but i do think she spent some time in new york yeah right uh you know it was a few years after
the great depression and world war ii just begun uh and then world war ii ended by presume right
you did you say 1957 was when she published after shrugged yeah and that so that was that
that strange era of rebuilding picking up the pieces right about to enter the madman era certainly
in New York, but also other parts of the country.
Yeah, it was certainly a very interesting time.
A book that I really enjoyed and I think was informative for me,
was written right around the same time as The Fountainhead,
was The Robs of Serfden by Hayek, published in 1944.
And I think that's another book that's very relevant
to the stuff that we're seeing today.
you know and rand i think her perspective was informed in a unique way by having an outsider
view from coming from the soviet union so she you know what hayek was seeing was all these
different ideologies fascism communism really you know playing her out uh in the communities that he
was in i think he was in the uk you know and there there were a bunch of people slurping up
communist pleb slop and fascist pleb slop and um you know and that was you know his reaction to that you know it was commentary on the the economics of these different systems and uh you know advocating for free markets and uh you know rand coming to the u you know from the soviet
union viewing that and seeing these communists you know run around propagating these ideas i bet it
was pretty alarming for her you know coming to a society that was significantly more open and free
and seeing people propagate ideas that you know she thought would lead to um
just you know destruction and uh
it's it's i think the striking thing for me
one of the things i try and explain to people oftentimes is that you know things really haven't
changed in a lot of ways like people are just as retarded today as if they as they have ever been
and um like the the themes that you see in these stories are irrelevant they they they repeat over
and over again and uh i think one of the importances of a good story and being a good
storyteller is having relevance for a long time you know because if you really tap into something
that's real and it's true it's not just like you're you're doing commentary for what's
happening in the moment uh but you're doing commentary on just the uh
human condition in a lot of ways but so you talk about these characters uh you know this man
or this boy who loses his father like where where do you get inspiration for these characters how do
you develop them and uh you know what does that process look like because i think a good author
is just so effective at understanding people and bringing depth into their characters making
them realistic like that's what draws somebody into a story uh so what did that process look
like for you? Yes. Sorry. My mic got cut off. Can you hear me? Okay. You know, there wasn't,
this is not something that happened to me, right? Because my parents are very much
still alive and around. And my father certainly didn't leave any secrets behind.
um but uh how did i find this character i don't know i just it just came to me i
i i have this idea about well you know so here's here's the funny thing right uh so this is a young
man in in his early 20s right who's the protagonist and um and and then you know his father uh
son dies suddenly the father's in his early 50s and then you know he through visions and so on he's
he finds out these secrets about his father. After I wrote the book, I felt really pleased
with myself, 24, right? And then July 18th as well, of course, the sequel. But after 24,
I was thinking about it saying, sort of pondering the similar question that you brought up,
where did this come from? And if you think about it, these are archetypical stories, right?
A young man communicating with a ghost of his dead father who leads him to a dangerous secret.
I mean, the most famous one is Hamlet, right?
And then that story sort of recurs through literature.
So maybe it was just the subconscious echo of all the books and plays and whatnot that I, you know, that seeped in through osmosis that created the idea for this, right? Because it is essentially a variation of Hamlet. Young man's father suddenly dies and his ghost leads him to a very dangerous secret about a life that he had no idea existed.
Yeah.
all right we had technical difficulties and had to stop uh lost the train of thought um
you know podcast is hard work it is yeah i like to i like to challenge people you know there's a
lot of people that sit on the peanut gallery and they're like they they got strong opinions about
things but they don't have a podcast and i like to tell them like why don't you start a podcast
like Mr. HODL.
What's that guy doing with his life?
Is that a Twitter personality?
I'm so out of touch with what's happening on Twitter now.
Yeah, he's like a long, long time Twitter personality
who thinks he has a really important opinion.
And he sits in Twitter spaces and argues with Nazis all day about nothing.
but he had like one good exchange back in the block size wars with uh
jihon woo and now he thinks he's uh he's cool but it is interesting so i don't know this person
specifically but there's a general trend with a lot of bitcoin influencers especially
where people are famous for reasons that are completely unclear to me and then i find out
oh, this guy did a rant once and it went viral.
Or he said something,
or there was three times on Clubhouse
where he said something interesting back in 2021.
And now, you know, he's one of the biggest,
or she's one of the biggest Bitcoin influencers.
It's just bizarre to me how fame or infamy
or whatever you want to call it,
is earned in this space.
Are you talking about American Honol?
Well, no person in general, or rather no person in particular, but there seems to be a general trend with a lot of Bitcoin influencers.
Yeah, it is strange.
I mean, internet virality is a very weird phenomenon that you kind of see across the board.
Like Hawk Tua was the most recent example of this, where she was the hottest thing in the world until she rug pulled her meme coin.
It is absolutely bizarre to me how that person rose to that level of fame and fortune, presumably.
For, yeah, for a viral video, that was pretty stupid, right?
I mean, there was nothing intelligent about what happened in that 10-second exchange or 15-second exchange that went viral.
And yet, you know, a person suddenly has 500,000 or a million subscribers or followers or whatever you want to call it.
And it's all the rage.
It's being invited to speak on TV shows and podcasts and whatnot.
Amazing.
would you have her on pleb chain radio absolutely not i would have her on the beagle for sure
i've been trying to get her on the beagle what would you talk about
well she i want to know what she thinks of ross and uh probably technique i don't know i'm sure
there's plenty to talk to her about that was the weird thing is she right when she was blowing up
she showed up at the Bitcoin conference.
She did.
And she was running around.
She's talking about free Ross.
It was all,
it was all very,
you know,
strange.
And then she launched a shit coin.
And,
uh,
yeah,
I don't know.
Internet,
internet virality is,
is very strange.
I don't know how much of it's manufactured.
It's hard,
it's hard to tell,
uh,
what's,
what's real in the world we live in,
you know,
where these people come from.
And,
because um i do think there are individuals that have the ability to pull levers and make people
into something that might not be very significant but you just think about like there's some
blonde girls some hot blonde girls out there that has been putting the hours in day after day making
tiktok videos showing you know videos of her flexing her butt and yoga pants and all of a
sudden hock to a girl comes up on the scene like how does that make yoga pants girl feel
yeah maybe it is manufactured a virality maybe there is some hidden hand that's looking to
promote certain people and it has its ways of doing it. Who knows? It makes me wonder. I mean,
just going back to the Bitcoin space, 95% of the people in Bitcoin,
if I had to pick a number, right, I'd say 95%. You listen to them and it makes no sense.
How do these people have such large followings? How do they, I mean, you call it pleb slop, Richard, I call it influencer slop, right? Regurgitating the same old tired lines about NGU or about how terrible the state is. And it is bizarre to me.
And then you have, you know, incredible podcasts like Ungovernable Misfits and What Do You Guys Do and others.
And it like there not much What was the Otis Bitmeyer one Sound Coffee That one of my new favorite podcasts right Fundamentals does amazing podcasts and talking about real things having real conversations
with real people. And you see nothing there. Minimal recognition or reward of any sort,
other than the work itself, presumably, right? But there doesn't seem to be too much resonance
from the external world for, you know, frankly, very, very good content.
Well, I think it's because, and why is plebslop effective?
Is, in many ways, Bitcoin is like, learning about it is a process of de-retardization.
because most of the time individuals don't have to learn about anything ever they they they just
the what the learning process is is it's it's memorizing um is why i never liked math in school
like math was interesting from like a puzzle standpoint but like algebra i like geometry
tree more than algebra but algebra is just about memorizing uh formulas essentially over and over
again and uh like you could you could solve any problem if you know the correct formula
uh which is you know kind of a way lame way to learn in my opinion but that's that's how you know
the fiat world teaches people essentially is like this is the formula you you check this box and you
You ask this question to this person, you push this paper this direction, and you do this thing.
But there's not a lot of creative thought that is encouraged.
And so I think they're attracted to that.
They're attracted to things because Bitcoin is a difficult concept to understand because it's very abstract.
Like you have to listen to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcast a week to understand it.
And most people aren't willing to do that because that competes with Netflix time or, you know, whatever else, sports ball.
And, you know, but for individuals that are learning about it, you know, oftentimes it's one of the first things they've ever actually spent the time to actually learn about.
And one of the parts, you know, that's interesting about Bitcoin is it's interactive.
There's a lot of ways to interact with it.
uh, whereas, you know, a lot of other things there, there isn't so much. Um, but I mean,
you even see it like in, in the music world, you know, oftentimes when people are being taught
about music, they're just being taught formulas, like how to play other people's music. They're
not being taught how to write it. They're not being taught how to do that. You know, when you're,
when you're being taught how to write, you know, you're not taught how to develop
characters and and tell compelling stories in a lot of ways you're trying to write for the purpose
of you know impressing a teacher or something not not from like a how do you captivate somebody's
attention and draw them into a story and so i think that general you know attitude of um
uh like i think it's largely because in in many ways the frontier has been settled
almost universally and uh you know as a result of things being settled and and relatively like
calm and safe they're like there's not really that need to learn because i think that's generally
how and when humans go through the process of learning and thinking about things critically is
it's not always just an inherent desire, but it's, it's a necessity. Uh, and there, there isn't the
same level of necessity today as there, you know, has been historically, I think like oftentimes the
greatest points in history, you know, the art flows out of are times of great, you know, upheaval
and challenge.
Is that true, though, Richard?
I mean, I know it feels that way.
You said the frontier has been settled,
sort of another way of saying
there's nothing new under the sun.
I wonder if at different points in history,
like in the 1850s or whatever,
did people feel that way?
That, oh, everything that's, you know,
that had to be done is done.
Like what's there for us to do, right?
There are no new frontiers.
So I wonder if that's just a natural human state of being in the moment and thinking that there is nothing new under the sun.
Well, I do think there's always a frontier.
You know, in many ways, Bitcoin is the frontier.
here and um you know the individuals that are you know i think that you're identifying as interesting
are people that are actually embarking on the frontier and trying to learn about this thing
and uh you know engage with it in an interesting way and try to shape the world around them
whereas the people that you find uninteresting are the people that are trying to integrate it
into the world that they're already content with like that's the uh they're trying to take this
technology and mold it to what they already have and that's kind of the contrast um but i mean the
ai is a frontier too in a lot of ways that is rapidly changing the world and i think there's a
huge difference between individuals that are using it as a force multiplier for creativity
like in ways that you have done, you know, testing things, experimenting with things,
and then people that are just, you know, trying to get it to do the thinking for them.
Yeah. You know, I think some or a lot of this actually feeds into the attention economy,
which, so why are people not being more bold, right? Why are they not taking risks? And
why they're not trying to be pioneers because there is a formula like you said like like with
algebra there's a formula you apply it and you get the result and the formula is you you learn
how to tame the algorithm and it's typically with some form of outrage or or scandal or or
controversy or something like that right it's typically some kind of negative emotion
you learn how to tame the algorithm that way and you get the attention and the attention drives up
your revenue through advertising or sponsors or what have you and it just a it's a self-contained
there was a self-contained death spiral honestly because I mean society erodes slowly and inexorably
in the process you might not feel it in the moment but over a long enough time horizon it just
it is the true decay of society, right? There's people trapped in these attention,
attention casinos, that's what they are, gambling away their precious time to play these games.
And I think that's why we see so many people stuck in this and so few trying to break out of it,
trying to be true pioneers, because there is a lot of risk in being a pioneer. Why not use the
tried and tested formula. Yes, we'll talk about Bitcoin, this amazing thing,
but really why we talk about Bitcoin? To make more fiat by gaming the attention economy.
Absolutely. So what do you think you're, what's different about you?
Why do you think you've approached things differently instead of being a plebslopper?
Listen, man, I probably would have been a plebslopper if I didn't have a few awakenings
along the way. One was, I got into the blockchain world, blockchain crypto world in 2016. 2017,
worked in that industry as a technologist during the heyday of blockchain, not Bitcoin.
In fact, I worked at a company whose CEO coined that phrase for a couple of years. And then at
some point, maybe there was a part of me that actually believed I was doing the right thing.
And thank heaven for that, that I had some kind of moral compass that said, you know what,
I'm doing something and it's the right thing. And then I was, as you could imagine, I was completely
wrecked in the process, intellectually wrecked, where, you know, two or three years into this
blockchain world, you realize it's complete nonsense. And the only thing that makes sense
in this world is Bitcoin. So I think that was one of the awakenings. And then there are a few
others, just personal things that happened, which led me to realize, look, what do I really want in
life? I just want to be happy. And what makes me happy? Doing the things that give me a sense of
meaning and purpose and just pursuing them. For the longest part of my life, I used money,
I thought or rather thought of money as a proxy for happiness. Oh, yes, let me just do this job
because it pays me well. Yes, it's for some evil corporation, but it's an amazing salary and
it allows me to live the life I want to live. But that sense of meaning and purpose
just is not there. So it's a very humbling and simple realization that
none of this stuff matters. What matters is health and happiness. And with that,
comes the need to do something that actually is meaningful, that gives a sense of purpose.
So maybe you could call it luck, Richard, but I stumbled into this realization. And
according to some people that I respect, such as yourself and others, what I produce is not pleb
slop. It's not even though you have pleb in the show name.
That is true. That was a relic from a different era. We could talk about that if you want.
Absolutely. Yeah. What's your perspective on the term pleb and the meaning of it?
Yeah. So when it sort of ties back to what we're talking about with influencers and this shallow
platitudes that get thrown out, right? The slop before we even called it slop. And there was a
A lot of this happening in maybe four or five years ago, 2021, even 2020, right?
The wave of adoption that happened with the pandemic and the influencers who grew to prominence with things like Clubhouse and all this other stuff.
And, you know, when we, this late 2022, early 23 was when we were hashing, KW and I hashed the idea for the show.
the early days of Noster. And even back then, right? So we're talking three years ago,
the word pleb at that time was a silent cry of rebellion saying, look, I'm not one of these
people, right? I don't think I'm better than the people around me just because I have 20,000
followers on Twitter or whatever it is. I'm here to participate in this, I guess, this movement,
this revolution where that's supposed to break down these barriers and be a classless
kind of thing, right? So in some sense, it was a very earnest taking to heart the phrase,
we are all Satoshi. I know that at this point, even that's probably pleb slop, right?
But yeah, so the word pleb and then pleb chain that came out of that was that. It was just a,
rebellion against influencer culture. So that was back then. I think what's happened now is that
the term's gotten so muddied, especially in the last year, even six months, I say six months to a
year, that it's lost its initial meaning. And a lot of people call themselves plebs when all they
want to do is yell and get into fights about things that don't even make sense, right? And
we're seeing a lot of this with the NOS versus CORE debate. I think there's been some incredibly
bad faith arguments from both sides, which has led me to largely mute most of Bitcoin Twitter.
And thankfully, NOSTA is not as polluted with that debate as it is. But there are other sort of
debates within the Bitcoin ecosystem that have devolved into shouting matches, bad faith arguments,
and frankly, anti-intellectual conversations.
And unfortunately, the word pleb has evolved
to associate itself with all of that ugliness.
So yeah, at this point, I'm happy to renounce the word pleb.
Now, unfortunately, it's in the name of the podcast.
It is what it is.
I think we just have to own it.
but definitely it does not stand for the ethos
that it did three or four years ago.
I'm not going to cancel you for not changing the name.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, it's interesting to watch these cultures.
So there was a whole wave of marketing
directed towards the plebs in these years.
There was the...
So like from your recollection, who were the biggest influencers that people were rebelling against?
Well, I don't want to get into singling out people, Richard.
But I mean, anyone can throw them who was around can throw their mind back to, I guess, late 2020, early 2021, when we had that sort of the bull market of that period.
And, you know, there was, well, we could talk about the shitcoiners, right? There was the TerraLuna stuff happening. SPF was all over Twitter. And then we, you know, we had, there were Bitcoiners who, you know, they were supportive in some sense of what those people were doing or simply took a leaf out of the book of Do Kwon and all these others.
Um, and, uh, so yeah, look at anyone who was in Bitcoin back then can kind of piece it
together, right?
There were, there were a lot of influencers who were born in that, in that bull market.
There's probably people like Nick Carter and Mike Alfred, Dennis Porter, shout out to the
goat.
I hope bring Dennis home.
yeah I'm trying to remember I guess my my brain's kind of foggy
uh but yeah yeah I get what you're saying yeah it's it's interesting it's uh
it's just interesting to watch these cultural movements and I think where we're at right now
they kind of go back to what we were talking about earlier about telling compelling stories
is this ecosystem that we're in is missing compelling stories.
That seems to be the thing that's really lacking.
Like there was this excitement around taking on the Federal Reserve.
And I think people started to come to the realization
that the U.S. government embracing Bitcoin
and using it in a lot of ways and not being super friendly
and not, you know, really changing things so that it's easy to transact.
it meant that their idea of them buying Bitcoin on Swan or,
you know,
wherever river wasn't going to be enough to end the federal reserve in the
next three years.
And they became discouraged as a result of that.
And now,
now there's kind of like,
they're like,
okay,
this story that we bought into doesn't appear like it's happening in the
timeline that we wanted to.
and there's a general discouragement and there hasn't really been a compelling narrative or
story to get people excited that has filled that gap since then no nothing that nothing that
resonates with cypherpunk values certainly right we've had people have gotten or tried to get
excited about the etfs when was that that was about a year and a half uh almost two years ago
now, right? Early 24. Obviously, the treasury companies that came after that,
and the institutional adoption that was supposed to end the four-year cycles.
So I think people tried getting excited about that. Some people are still pretending that
They're excited about treasury companies and ETFs and whatnot.
But I don't know how authentic these narratives are.
And maybe that's why they're failing, right?
Because this is, it's, all of this, the goal is NGU.
It's not about reclaiming your sovereignty.
Like how does owning a treasury stock or an ETF separate money from state, for instance,
or allow you to be your own bank or reclaim your privacy or your sovereignty in any way.
It doesn't.
So it really is about fiat gains and NGU in fiat terms.
And that's not a compelling or authentic narrative.
And that's why the stories feel like they're tepid right now.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah, so you didn't get excited about Paper Bitcoin Summer.
I like the meme. I thought it was funny. But no, that's, I mean, look, I was at some of these
conferences where the loudest cheerleaders for these things were actively telling people that,
you know, Bitcoin and self-custody was too confusing. It's just so much easier.
all you're looking for is the exposure anyway.
You know, loud voices,
a lot of prominent voices
were saying things like this.
So look, on the one hand,
obviously we can make a joke out of it
and laugh at the double standard,
at the hypocrisy.
But on the other hand,
as someone who actually cares about this revolution,
someone, I mean, I have a teenage son,
And I want him to have a brighter future and aspire to something in his life rather than debt and fiat slavery that could happen, right?
So when I hear unconstructive potentially even destructive narrative arcs emerge around you know it all about exposure You know custody is too complicated and all of that stuff Bitcoin doesn it just a store of value It doesn you don need it as a currency
That, you know,
that bothers me.
And I don't like where things are going.
Absolutely.
I think one of the things
that's really destructive
about the Samurai case
is they found a way
to make privacy profitable.
And I think that's the,
that's one of the keys.
And I know,
I know there's this like
this attitude that
they're trying to go
and make money
and offer things useful
to the world,
that there's something
wrong with that
and that people should just,
you know,
do things for the greater good
out of their,
you know,
to be selfless or whatever.
But,
you know,
the reality is
you got Michael Saylor
who's selling a product promoting a narrative.
You got all these other individuals
that are selling products promoting narrative.
Like when you have a product
that a bunch of people want to buy,
you have a huge marketing budget
and you can influence narratives.
And unfortunately, you know,
a lot of the individuals
that aren't selling products,
they don't have the resources
to really influence narratives.
Like they don't, they don't have the ability to, to buy a booth at a conference so that
they can go speak on the main stage or get a keynote.
They don't have the ability to sponsor podcasts and, you know, influence people that way.
They don't, they don't have the ability to really, uh, circulate, you know, their ideas.
And, um, you know, the Silk Road was very interesting for this reason, you know, because
it was a way that somebody was able to, or a bunch of people were able to make a bunch
of money, you know, using this technology and, um, in a, in a way that promoted freedom
and sovereignty.
And I think that's like one of the challenges is how do you marry those two things together
without getting your head chopped off by the state?
or is there no way?
Do you have to step into danger
and be non-compliant?
Is that the only way?
Oh, I think there's an in-between part,
but I think you might have touched on something
that's pretty key here, Richard,
which is if you're building freedom tech tools
and privacy tools
that are truly putting power and sovereignty
back in the hands of individuals
and you're making money on top of it,
I think you're painting a pretty big target on yourself.
I think that is very likely true.
We saw that with Silk Road.
We saw that with Samurai, both cases that he just mentioned.
So I think there is an in-between path, which is you look for patrons,
the Jack Dorseys of the world and the others, modern-day Medici, if you will,
who will, you know, you're not making profit necessarily.
They're giving you grants, and then you're building commons, right?
You're building free and open-source software.
The grant money makes sure that you can keep the lights on and put food on the table, but that's about it.
And then you're building free and open source software.
Maybe that is the sly roundabout way, right?
We have the modern-day Medici who are funding free and open source software.
But don't those funders fall into the same category?
you look at Jack Dorsey and you look at how much attack surface area he has with how limited he
could be like you know all of his companies face regulation they face scrutiny the IRS or any of
these agencies can just be like hey we don't like what you're doing so we're gonna you know put a
Put a boot on your neck unless you stop doing what you're doing.
Yeah.
But at least if we go with the argument that, you know, Ross was making money with Silk Road and the Samurai devs were making money.
then in the case of someone giving out grants or someone receiving grants,
they're really not making that much money, right?
So if that's the point that's under scrutiny,
then I think maybe there's a way out.
But you're right, right?
I mean, Jack Dorsey is a massive single point of failure, right?
He's been incredibly generous in his help for a lot of these free and open source projects.
But yes, the government could come and shut it down.
Yeah, I think a large part of it comes with, I think there is an ability to tell a story so compelling that it breaks through.
And I think that's the challenge.
It's one of the things that I'm, I think both of us are on the path trying to do with our ideas.
Because I think if you inspire people in the right way, like you don't always need the same amount of resources and money to influence the narrative.
Like it's going to take a hundred times more effort or a thousand times more effort to convince people that paper Bitcoin is a good idea than trying to limit how many – the influence of the pedophilic ruling class over your life.
well baby steps though i i think i i think you're right richard right clearly we we don't have the
resources to buy the level of influence uh to buy the space on or the or the mind space i should say
on podcasts and um that have you know 20 100 000 or even a million uh listeners per episode right
But some people clearly do, and they're the ones who try and influence narratives.
However, you can make incremental changes and hope that that has an eventual compounding and snowball effect over a decade or so.
Absolutely.
I think blockchain is a great roadmap for how to have a significant cultural influence.
You guys have been probably the single most influential cultural influence in the Nostra ecosystem, by far, I would say.
Yeah, well, we certainly try to be
I mean, our goal is not to be the most influential
But the goal is to move the needle on culture
And, you know, try and get these values to
Cypherpunk values, honestly, right?
To permeate more broadly
And, you know, I think almost three years in
Beginning to see early signs of success
But we'll see
How would you determine success?
How do you judge that?
I think, you know, if you look at it through a cultural lens, right,
if there are, and break that down into, let's just say, music, film,
maybe writing, and a few other media,
and look at people who've listened to our shows,
who then support value for value music, for instance.
And how do they do that?
They can either boost or zap their favorite independent musicians,
or they can actually go, when they go to concerts,
to listen to their musicians or they have a network.
They can bring those people into the fold.
Now, these are not easy conversations to have.
Not all musicians or artists are ready to talk about Bitcoin,
but some are.
Right. And so that as we see more of that happening and we are seeing that, right, like more musicians joining the fold, more people supporting independent musicians.
So that's one. Right. And then similarly, writers are migrating from Substack and moving to, you know, long form Nostra notes and, you know, getting small amounts of money for that.
Or people who are Substack only now doing Substack and long-form NOSTA.
That's another example.
We've been talking to some independent video streaming services, and their audience is demanding that they become NOSTA clients and start supporting that.
So we see small changes, and I guess that, to me, is a barometer for success.
Earlier, it was just, it felt like, in our first year, it felt like,
oh, we're just having a good time, but everything we say is going straight into the void.
But these things take time, right?
The seed takes a while to sprout into a tree.
Takes time to build momentum, for sure.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, what are some of the things that get you most excited?
Like, I think this is one of the things
that I think is important to focus on.
The influencers are being dumb,
the plebs are being grumpy,
the politicians are being awful.
Like what's got you excited?
I think people building FreedomTech and I see a lot of that happening right There are some amazing new projects that are out there People building web of trust open source web of trust tools on Noster to improve
discoverability for any media, whether it's music, whether it's film, just notes, travel,
whatever it is. I see that happening. I see a project like our friend Shadrach's A to B,
right, which is being able to transport packages in a private and decentralized way using onion
routed physical mailing. I see, you know, things like Bitax, right, open source hardware. There's
even now an open source hardware wallet as well, right?
The secure element specification has been open sourced as well.
So there are some amazing projects that are being built in the Nostraverse, in the Bitcoin
ecosystem, in things like Cashew and other adjacent and related ecosystems, freedom tech,
if you could call it more broadly.
And I see that accelerating.
So that excites me.
well very cool
I mean I'm excited
I think there's some interesting
cultural influences
Scardust is exciting to me
Chris Cyborg
being on Noster
and doing a comic book
I thought that was really interesting
I really want to get my hands on that comic book
can i ask you about scout us because i know we've talked about it off the podcast
both of us are huge fans of the band noah gruman probably one of the most amazing rock voices
out there today uh can we get them to get off their label and uh become independent
i think they like their label like but i don't know yeah i don't know i'm not really uh
personally I'm not really a huge fan of like convincing people to change uh for the sake of
it it's I I do really appreciate the the involvement that they've they've had the
interest that they've had in like uh I'm excited to see Noah have more like when she gets back from
her tour I think she's gonna get a lot more involved in the ecosystem and like they what what
Because they're a serious band.
They're not like a small time in the slightest.
Like they've had a tremendous amount of success,
and they're going to continue to have a tremendous amount of success.
Like the things that they do cost a ton of money.
Like you look at their music videos that they do.
Like just a single music video that they do, you know,
with the way that Lahav produces it, I don't know what the cost is,
but probably tens of thousands of dollars.
Like you've got, in some of these shoots,
they've got, I don't know,
like probably up to 20 people involved
with the production spending all day,
if not multiple days.
Like when they're recording their albums,
their songs, like Noah has the band there
all day, multiple days,
but she's bringing a choir in, you know,
other musicians to collaborate with.
Like it's a very expensive process.
And unfortunately, Wave Lake Boots and Nostra Zaps
do not even remotely come close to,
so I mean like sure, it would be an interesting
and compelling story, you know, to tell somebody of like,
you know, if you're a no-name artist,
trying to get your stuff out there and you're you're playing gigs for 50 a show um
and you can do a toonster stream and earn 500 like that's exciting that's really exciting but for um
somebody like scarred us like i think the only way to do it is kind of what you were talking
about is like you need you need a patron to come in to essentially replace the label and be like okay
we want you to be exclusively on these platforms but we're going to pay all the money for you to do
what you're going to do uh like the label would and um i think if that happens then you can
convince people like that to do it um but yeah it's uh it's a hard sell like it's really hard
That is a good point. I think the level of complexity and I guess grandness, right, that goes into Scardust music is not something that you could, zaps and boosts are not going to cover that for sure.
the 21 sat zaps or even the slightly more generous ones. So if there are any whales or patrons
listening and you like complex metal, prog metal music, then do consider stepping in and making
this real. We would love to have Scardust as an independent artist that's available on all our
favorite freedom tech platforms well i i think that's a strategy it's not not even just for a
band like scardust it's like if you got relationship with musicians or something
you know bands that you really like bringing them into the ecosystem and essentially doing
what i was talking about becoming their label of sorts is uh is a huge thing because like why
why did spotify you know really become the premiere spot for podcasters because it didn't always used
to be that way or in music it took over podcasting and music and like a huge part of it was because
they paid joe rogan a hundred million dollars to go exclusive on it like they they got they
essentially did that where you know i'm pretty sure they brought other people on uh exclusively
on the platform to you know the drag the audience over there like that that's how you do it you know
a lot of ways is you have to pay these people uh to come there so you know maybe we could uh
convince matt odell and 1031 you know or just you know somebody somebody like that like yeah
there has to be somebody with a following that you know there's a reason for them to go over there
And like, sometimes they'll make less money to do that.
Like there is a potential that Joe Rogan made less money going exclusively to Spotify.
Like the deal eventually ended.
And I don't know what the details are, but like that's kind of the process.
I think it's one of the jobs of
I think the podcasters
and individuals influencing
or engaging in the culture
is to also sell
you're way ahead on this process
with what you're doing with Finding Home
because you're going through this process
of finding patrons to fund your project
that you're putting a lot of time and effort into,
which is expensive.
There's travel.
It's very high production quality.
A lot of thought process done in the editing.
Very labor intensive.
But I think, you know, I know of other people
that, you know, people running
independent media companies, you know,
that are trying to go through the process themselves,
you know to secure funding to be able to do the things that they want to and i think that's a
it's a it's a process that i think creatives really struggle with
in general is securing that funding and and selling themselves like it um you know because
they're creatives and usually creatives are they're kind of like devs where they're they're
kind of retarded in some ways and uh um at least to communicating to to different types of people
and organizing information and tasks and and things like that but yeah it's um
it's possible i just think like the the mechanisms of the way the world actually works need to be
you know, looked at, you know, seriously.
But yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it'd be cool.
I'm just so happy that Skardosh,
I think it's so cool that they're on Zappstream 24-7.
They're streaming on Fountain,
they're streaming on,
like, I think a huge thing is like, you know,
for people that are listening
that want things to be more interesting,
go engage with the people that are interested
and become loyal, loyal fans.
because what that shows, like, you know, you show up,
you support these artists that are here, like Joe Martin.
Joe Martin's pretty cool.
Other artists will see that, and they'll be attracted to that.
And then those artists can then go talk to their friends.
Like, you know, imagine if Scardust had become the darling of Nostra.
Everybody freaked out Wow There this group that is incredibly talented Some of the best musicians in the world
if not the best,
I think Noah's easily one of the best singers in the world.
Yeah.
And she,
she,
she's so multi-faceted in her talents.
If Noster had lost their minds,
like they have,
you know,
for other people,
Noah's on tour right now.
every night, almost every night in front of tens of thousands of people.
By the way, Richard, the first Bitcoiner to be in front of such large crowds,
I don't think too many people are realizing this.
Who was the last Bitcoiner that you know who's walked out onto a stage?
Doesn't even have to be a performer or any Bitcoiner,
even Michael Saylor, I don't think he's ever spoken to a crowd that large.
um phil labonte of all that remains but he's not like as engaged in the ecosystem
he doesn't listen to my podcast like scardust does for mine but uh yeah i mean there's there's
really not that many absolutely let's go jack dorsey yeah maybe jack yeah i mean jack jack
speaks at uh like his uh this is crazy so he he has like company-wide meetings where he brings
tens of thousands of people into a stadium flies them in from all over the world and speaks in
front of his company just his company uh it's tens of thousands of people it's pretty wild yeah but
they have to be there richard they haven't they haven't shown up voluntarily as they have for noah's
concerts yeah yeah they didn't pay to do they're getting paid yeah for sure yeah but yeah i mean
like you know i think this is this is important you know for individuals that care about the
ecosystem is to be able to identify the individuals that are really uh skilled you know because like
Noah could be on tour right now being like, holy shit.
I've amassed this huge engaged audience, all these musicians.
She's, she's hanging out with this.
I forgot the violinist name, but she has a following.
She's hanging out with Patty Gertie.
They're hanging out doing Instagram videos every day.
And she could, she could be telling Patty Gertie and, and the violinist that,
uh nostr is a place to be and um you know this is why like i've gotten paid thousands of dollars
it wasn't just avian and richard boosting our stuff um and uh
so i think this is a this is important for for people in the community to understand
um you know how they can have influence
part of it is is supporting you know people that are doing things that are interesting
um but yeah anyways i'll get off my soapbox on that but yeah it's uh well i mean part of the
reason why i i think you and i both know the answer to this which is why did scardust not
have a massive reaction on Osterbuck as well.
I mean, most people listen to slop.
They don't, I mean, the minute you introduce some complexity
and especially something like prog metal,
prog rock or prog metal,
it's just, it's such a niche and almost inaccessible genre
that you actually need to have something wrong with you,
like I do, to find it compelling.
I don't know
I mean they put out a video
they put out a music video
featuring Satoshi Nakamoto
fair enough yeah
like that should be enough
that should be enough
can you imagine if they did that
in the 2021 bull market
I don't know
maybe it's the timing
yeah I don't know
the lack of reaction is so
fascinating to me I haven't figured it out
um
I'm actually, I'm very astounded and I am very disappointed.
That is disappointing.
I mean, I, you know, that, that video by itself, probably you're, you're right.
Should have had a lot more eyeballs and interest.
Um, having said that, look, it's, it's, it's inaccessible music, right?
I, I love it, but I think the music is somewhat inaccessible because of its complexity.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean I just all I see is
Skill
High production value
Likes bitcoin
I mean you
I figured the simps would show up for now
But not even the simps have showed up
For I don't get it
They're too busy
Like going after Lauren Hoddle
Or you know whoever on twitter
But yeah anyways
Well um
I know we're kind of coming up on uh
your cutoff time.
It's been a pleasure to have this conversation.
I always enjoy spending time chatting with you.
One of my favorite times with you is hanging out, smoking.
I'm smoking cigarettes.
You're smoking cigars.
We'll have to do that again in the future.
One of the things that we do at the end of the show is we read all the
fountain booths from the previous episode that we did.
um part of part of i mean you already understand because you you are very engaged in fountain and
uh in the fountain booths but part of the reason why i like to do this is because i like to show
my guests that we do get fountain booths um because people people need to see that custodial
lightning work but um uh yeah kind of wrapping up before i go into this real quick um
you have you have anything important that you want to you know share any closing thoughts
well you know look it's it's always great chatting with you richard yes agreed uh i think
We are long overdue a smoke, even though it was just a month and a half ago.
It still feels long overdue.
That was a good few days out in Nashville.
Other than that, yeah, look, listen to Plep Chain Radio.
Try and fly the flag for the values that we talked about on the show.
You can check out my books, July 18th and the prequel 24, available for purchase on Amazon.
Finding Home is my show.
It's available on IndieHub, episode three.
By the way, the episode two was edited by Noah, who we've been talking about all this while.
And Lahav was the director of post-production.
Noah, obviously, has been busy, as we've discussed.
but Lahav is the director of post-production for episode three which is which is filmed in Paraguay
that will come out sometime in early January and then episode four which I just wrapped up
filming will be out early March I think but yeah that's that's what I have Richard thank you for
having me so do you suggest reading the original first or the prequel first no I would say so 24
is the original.
So that, it probably makes sense to read that.
Now, I will say, if you're hearing this,
just hold off until mid-December.
I'm about to release a second edition
where I've done a bit of cleanup
of some of the language.
So 24 edition two will be out.
Mid-December probably makes sense to start with that.
You can start with July 18 first,
but clearly there are a lot of spoilers for 24 in there.
Um, so if you really want to do it the right way, 24 first and then July 18th, which picks
up where it left off.
Very cool.
I'm actually going to read the found abuse after, uh, you hop off.
I'm just going to monologue it, but cause I don't, I don't need to show you that custodial
lightning works.
You already know.
Awesome.
What, what is, I see Lahav when you shared the screen, uh, he said something in Hebrew.
What is the translation?
Yeah, I actually translated it earlier.
Wahav, we don't speak Jew.
You gotta speak in English,
but you wrote,
awesome Bubba and awesome Bugle,
super intelligent conversation,
hashtag 40 hours per week.
Ah, it looks a lot better written right to left.
I'm assuming that's right to left.
I yeah I guess you're right yeah um
yeah it's funny I guess you keep on leaving uh
fountain boost in Hebrew everybody's gonna think you're Mossad
but like this guy's gonna blow up our hardware wallets watch out
but
great guy I like Le Havre a lot
He's just like...
He's a good man.
He's another guy that I think needs, you know, would benefit from a lot of people engaging with.
Like, he's the guy that is really excited about Noster.
So he does all of Scardust music videos.
And he is, in my opinion...
opinion, easily one of the best video producers in the Bitcoin ecosystem.
Yeah, I, well, I second that. I witnessed his work firsthand on finding home and he's
absolute master at it. Also doing a lot of vibe nostering, if I'm not mistaken. He's,
I think that the whole 24 hour stream, and I think he's looking into self-hosting his
zap.stream as well.
So a bit of a tinkerer on that front as well.
Yeah, I mean, it's awesome.
It's awesome.
Like, I think it's just, you know,
when I find these individuals that are interested like this,
that are doing interesting things,
I get excited.
And I just, it's fun to watch.
It really is cool.
to see but makes me happy that Lahav listens to my podcast but well yeah Avi I really appreciate
you coming on got a tremendous amount of respect for you you've been wading through the bad UX
you have way more tolerance for it than I do yeah appreciate you having me um and looking forward
to cashing up whenever it is next time.
It'll have to be soon.
Yes.
All right, folks, back to the Fountain Boost.
Big thank you to Avi for coming on.
We already read Lahav's boost, but yeah,
Fundamentals 10,101 sats says Bubba's National Treasure.
ISR podcast is two for two with getting great guest performances.
Well, I think we're three for three at this point with Avi,
but um yeah appreciate it uh fundamentals baba truly is a national treasure what a guy
what a great guy he just put out uh another two angry cunts podcast which i gotta listen to
him and sylvie talking about tuning out the noise um fundamentals is uh working for an audiobook
like i if you're writing a book for this ecosystem i think it's really important to to write to do
the audiobook right off the bat because like you're writing books for podcast listeners is
how people uh communicate information so i i'm just getting i'm getting the word out there i'm
i'm hassling everybody about it that's writing books get the audiobook and i'll release it around
the same time because like you get all this momentum going around the book around the launch
right you do your announcement you announce your book and then there all these people are like well you know i i just i consume information for via audio like i gonna listen to you talk about the book on the podcast like they they
much more likely to go through your book and hear what you have to say that this thing that you put
all this time into if you did the audiobook um and there's ways to do it but um yeah anyways i'm
keep on the hassling if you don't have an audiobook i'm coming after you make the audiobook
podcast listeners need it next boost late stage huddle 6,006 sats says another podcast with three
friends i've hugged my bitcoin podcast ui continues to improve love you baba and bugle boys my dad
lived in a trailer park too when he was younger probably why he's better than a better man than me
also after you didn't read my last boost for the intellectual silk road i see that it posted
without any sats those are now sats lost to the ether of bad ux on fountain hope these make it to
your podconf approved custodial lightning wallet well it looks like they made it uh apologies on
the boost that's a bummer i if your dad late stage hondle is a better man than you
i can't even begin to imagine how great he is because you're pretty cool dude
looking forward to hugging you again in the future uh baba 5000 sat says thanks fellas
that was fun it is all about the tits oh yeah that was that was a major point of this conversation
was talking about tits i think this is where you know rod coined the term plebslop tits and i had
a little bit of conniption because i just didn't understand what he's talking about i'm a huge fan
of tits uh tits matter she appreciate tits skate kate kt i think i've met you i'm not sure but uh
skate kate her her bio on oscar snowboarder tavern owner clean food advocate bitcoin podcast
listener lover of sarcasm sounds like a true pioneer to me 2300 sat says yes richard all
tits do matter but rod is right on this one some are just better than others i don't understand
what you don't understand about plup slot milkers the conversation along with using baby oil and ky
jelly as minor immersion fluids proves that bubba is in fact innocent and he is also correct
tits and bitcoin are big supporters of good tits great closing song too i forgot what we did i
think we did one of bubba songs for the closing i not sure uh i don remember but uh yeah tits recognized tits i think i think that the message that skate kate has to say and uh that a good message two angry cunts podcast 2222 sat says electrolyte the tits
save the world that's sylvie go check out the two angry cunts podcast two of the funniest
most interesting boomers in the world i'm not sure uh sylvie might be gen x i don't know
but in your in our eyes sylvie you're still a boomer because you're hanging out with bubba
doing a podcast talking about boomer things a lot of a lot of gen xers they they act like boomers
to the younger generations of people it just
all seems the same but uh
uh,
either way,
we still appreciate it.
You're,
you're the,
you're the hope for the world.
You're,
you're,
you're shining example that the broccoli hair coats shouldn't,
uh,
hate all the boomers.
Chad rack,
963 sat says,
thank you guys.
Great rip.
Shout out to Shrad rack.
Great guy.
Not cause 808 sasses liking the ISR format.
Good entropy for the 40 HPW.
Well,
thank you.
Not cause.
Sasha Hodder, 500sat, says, innocent.
Gardis, 420sat, says, this episode made me chuckle.
Keep up the good work.
News and Guidance, 333sat, says, keep going.
Great source of high-entropy human content.
Well, thank you.
Got some boosters I've never seen before.
God's Death, 237sat, says, thank you, gentlemen.
Well, you're welcome.
BTC Onboard, Ellen Hance, or CTV, 100sat,
says three thumbs ups emoji well guys thank you um i enjoyed this episode with avi a lot i i get
excited when people are getting creative and trying new things and avi avi's getting creative
and trying new things so definitely check out his finding home series i think right after
i hit the the stop button on this recording i'm going to go over and watch episode one which i've
missed he said episode three is coming out soon i didn't even ask him where where it was but uh
yeah i mean it's a big one travel show like we know that joe nakamoto is trying to do this but
joe nakamoto sucks like he's eating he's eating penis cakes to get views on youtube like obviously
doesn't do that um and you know what's also cool about the story is you know the individuals that
he has evolved at that like episode two the one that i watched he had uh no groom and edit it
which is super cool she the best but yeah anyways thank you guys for listening to this episode and catch you soon Yeah It a cash alert
Seasonal depression wrapped in tinsel, baby.
Broccoli haircut on flake.
Merry crisis.
Happy New Year.
Let's go.
Grandma said smile more.
It's Christmas.
But my soul's on dial-up, stuck with the glitches.
Everyone flexing their gifts in the pictures.
I'm just trying to figure out if joy still exists.
Amazon boxes on the floor like snow
Dad's yelling about fiat while the lights won't glow
He keeps saying Bitcoin fixes this, you know
But the price chart looking like a sad trombone
It's a broccoli
Haircut Christmas, curl pro freeze with a peppermint wishlist
Silent night, but my heart won't listen
Cause all of these vibes feel pay to winces
A broccoli
Haircut Christmas, Gen Z dreams in a late stage business
Boomers swear BTC gon' fix this
But I'm still broke and the world's still vicious, yeah
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Wrap my feelings in a Target bag
Tell Santa I'm good, but my serotonin lags
Mom says, honey, just touch some grass
But the lawn got sold a black rock last August
Elf on the shelf, got a ring light now
Doing dances for clout, yelling, run it up, wow
This whole holiday feels like a rug pull clown
Even Rudolph tryna shill coins to the town
And the plebs keep saying that faith just huddle
But I'm sippin' eggnog from a reused bottle
Every more or less I'm feelin' kinda hollow
Like a Hallmark card with influence or sorrow
It's a broccoli haircut Christmas
Curl bro freeze with a peppermint wishlist
Silent night but my heart won't listen
Cause all of these vibes feel pay to winces
It's a broccoli haircut Christmas
Gen Z dreams in a late stage business
Boomers swear BTC gon' fix this
But I'm still broke and the world's still vicious
Stock is full of QR codes
Dad yelling self-custody or the whole thing blows
He said hyperbic coinizations close
But he said that 2 and 21 broke
Candy cane chain swinging low
Brockie fades sharper than Sailor's FOMO
Christmas cheer, man, I don't even owe
Feels like another patch download for my soul
So here's to the plebs, the charge, the coke
To gifting each other that last ounce of hope
Cause Bitcoin might fix the world, I suppose
But it still ain't fix my seasonal load
Merry broccoli
Happy nothingness
Eat cash out
E-Cashow