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It is a time of chaos, as we are officially in the fourth turning.

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There is war in the Middle East, riots in the streets, and even worse, every day there's a new paper Bitcoin company.

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While Lightning Wallets are acting meek, running from the pressures of the state, there is one man who has planted his flag.

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Today we are summoning the storm as Evan Kalupas joins us, the creator of Zeus Wallet.

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He's the man bringing the ability to interface with the lightning network in a manner unparalleled by any other lightning wall.

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Phoenix, Breeze, Wall of Satoshi, all these lightning wallet developers, they stay up at night terrorized by the image of the world's premier graphics.

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with no plans for support of securitized paper bitcoin.

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Joining us today, Evan Kalupas, how you doing?

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I'm doing great, boys. Thanks for having me back on the show.

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It's really a privilege and an honor.

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It's been a while since we've done one of these, Rod.

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This is the Beagles behind the podcast, the premier bitcoin interview show.

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How lucky do you feel to be joining us today, Evan?

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I mean, listen, anytime I have the opportunity to go on one of my favorite podcasts that I listen to regularly, part of my 40 hours a week, I can't help but think that I'm blessed.

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So how many people can say that, that they go on their favorite podcasts themselves?

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Not many.

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Yeah, it feels great to be back doing this, and it feels great.

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We hung out in Vegas at the conference.

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We got to know it.

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You came to satirize the system.

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A midget came flying out of the ring, crashed into you, spilled your beer.

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Just a little bit.

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I kept most of the beer.

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I want that to be on the record.

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I'm not a big beer-spilling guy.

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Why?

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Plus, it wasn't a full-size guy.

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If it was a full wrestler, maybe I would have spilled more.

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Just a little splash.

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Yeah.

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It was I expected, but you handled it like a champ.

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You're flexible.

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You're adaptable.

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That's what it takes to be a lightning entrepreneur.

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But first and foremost, you got to survive.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And right now, it's difficult.

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It feels like it's hard to survive.

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I don't know if you've been monitoring the situation, but we've got, you know, the United States just bombed the shit out of Iran.

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And apparently he took out a nuclear facility that was also found to been running a shitload of bid axes.

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So we dropped bunker busters in Iran.

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It took out.

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It was a noticeable drop in the hash rate, corresponding with that bombing.

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And this is according to Marty Bent.

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I have not independently verified this, but this is according to Marty Bent that they were mining Bitcoin in the Iranian nuclear facilities.

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So, you know, with that backdrop, like what is your take on where we're at?

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The opening mentioned fourth turning.

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Do you think that we are in – first of all, do you believe in the fourth turning?

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And how would you respond to that?

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Well, first and foremost – well, first of all, excuse my dog.

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He's having a hard time.

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What's your dog's name again?

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What's your dog's name?

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You told us this.

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his name's uh murray rothbark he's uh he's a bit of a gold bug so he doesn't really like me doing

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bitcoin podcasts but i don't i don't know maybe maybe he does i feel like if murray rothbard

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who he's named after was alive today he'd probably be a bitcoiner um but yeah murray himself he's

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been having a hard time the last couple days something in the yard is driving him nuts it's

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been a bad it's been a bad few days for libertarians so if murray bothbard is a libertarian

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And it sucks because we just Donald Trump reneged on his promise.

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He he drug us into a foreign war, but he actually kept it under two weeks.

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You know, seems like and it he projected it as a big success.

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So, you know, everybody's just kind of like his approval ratings have actually probably gone up since this.

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And the libertarians are they thought this was going to be the thing that finally brought Donald Trump down was breaking his promise to libertarians.

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But, you know, if it wasn't, you know, it was it was a bad week.

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So maybe that's Murray's problem.

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Yeah, I think it's like a couple of things like the Donald Trump thing, New York City, at least for the Democratic primary elected, like a socialist.

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Murray Rothbard was from New York, too.

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So he's got that tie to, you know, our ties to New York.

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What are your ties to New York?

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No, I'm from New York originally.

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um you know i just moved down the road basically during covid um now oh okay so you were in new

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york during covid yeah yeah i was i was in astoria man astoria is fucking best part of new york that's

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where all the greeks hang out that's where i get all my yiro it was fantastic uh until uh you know

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covid came around and really put a damper on everything and yeah sure you could still get

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your takeout and that was fantastic but you know you were deal was you were gone they were the king

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of were you the king of uh queen's greek town oh yeah i was i was the king of suvlaki which was

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you know also the name of one of my favorite cards um yeah man it was a great time out there

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you know we had we had a lot on um quick question what are you what is your opinion of

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mandrick's baklava as a greek man from greek town like is is it overrated do you yeah did you could

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your mom make better baklava than mandrick or uh or is it is it is it worth the hype it is but it's

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super sugary over the top it's like drowning interesting but it actually like it delivers

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he's like he's basically the walter white of like baklava it's like it's addictive

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um but yeah i have i try to have you know one or two pieces try to limit it there

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because it is fucking loaded with calories but oh it's tasty it's really good

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what what do you what is your reaction to the place you grew up for the pace he's been a decade

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a place that you started to probably i mean any i think anybody who lives in new york for a decade

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probably starts really identifies a new yorker what is your reaction as a new yorker to uh

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your your city electing at least in the primary uh a car or a socialist over an italian pervert

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and as yeah you know like like i i like i told you this before dude i mean do you think in my

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lifetime or how many decades we've had anyone who's remotely politically aligned with with us

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like not not really i mean the closest thing we've had um is i guess now which is really funny is the

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current mayor mayor adams he was speaking in vegas he was talking about bit bonds in new york city

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Murray you're killing me buddy

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I just want to throw a hypothetical out there

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sure so New York politics

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are famously screwed up.

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They have been for a long time.

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I think this is just how things work

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in most major cities

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in the United States in the political realm.

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What do you think

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things would look like

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was the mayor of New York City?

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Could he clean it up and fix it?

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towards the 70s.

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back to its pornographic roots.

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turning into the local TV,

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would be fully erect.

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First of all, I don't think you could

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It would be full-on decay at that rate.

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think about this, though.

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Remember, we had stop and frisk

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is what cleaned up new york um and if you were to do a stop and frisk and someone did not have an

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erection when when given you know a youtube video showed them of dennis porter or a picture

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uh if they didn't get an erection that means that their their assentives were misaligned

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and you could probably bring them in and find that they were getting into like criminal behavior or

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just not savory citizens um i think that would be a great way to clean up new york city like stop

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and frisk boner or no boner and it's it's it's a clear cut there's you you don't yeah

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that they're not getting their 40 hours per weekend um but i don't know i feel like dennis

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just transcends that too like what you don't think he's attractive to socialists and communists like

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Have you seen the man? He's a god.

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He's the alpha orange pillar.

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The apex orange pillar.

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I feel like anyone who wasn't erect soon would be after him being in the media there, ubiquitous through the media there, within a couple weeks.

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Would you even really need to take action, block these people away?

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I don't even think so.

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But at the same time, the debauchery that we'd fall into, I just don't think that putting New York City on a Bitcoin standard would cancel that out.

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I feel like it would be fucking nuts.

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So I don't know.

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Some things you really got to just put into practice to see how they play out.

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But man, it's like Prometheus and fire, man.

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Who knows, man?

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A whole new world would be possible.

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Yeah. So the as seeing New York City elect a socialist doesn't surprise me.

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And it doesn't surprise people who listen to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcast per week.

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We knew that New York City was full of woke socialist retards.

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It was just you know but all the all my friends in New York all the people who love they think New York City is the best city in the world despite some of its problems here and there They assure us that that was not true that what we heard on podcast we were told to to not believe the things we hear on podcasts

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about new york city and it turns out the podcasters were right and do you think this is like a big um

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you know a coup de grace so to speak for the people in new york city who think it's the best

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in the world to maybe have some humility for you know just have a little humility yeah i mean

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you gotta be staying humble in this world everything is just changing so rapidly

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but at the same time like you know new york is the greatest city in the world and in what terms

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uh in terms of you know lifestyle when you're young and you're going out and socializing

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is it really the best for you know later stages in your life um probably not unless you have

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it's not great for right it's not great for it's not great for cigarette smokers oh it's awful

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have you know how much a pack is out there is it's probably like 13 40 probably more since i

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left dude honestly i have no idea but it seems brutal um but yeah the the syntaxes are just uh

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thrill out there.

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It's really great if you're working

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for a paper Bitcoin company.

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New York is

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the epicenter of that right now.

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What companies are out there?

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Listen, I haven't been following the paper

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paper Bitcoin stuff, as closely as

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you guys, so I don't really know.

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Some of the newer ones, they're more

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decentralized paper bitcoin's a little bit more decentralized than he used to be um but you know

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until recently the big one and still the biggest is black rock so black rocks are on wall street

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so that's a big bitcoin present i mean you mentioned it uh the the current mayor adams he uh

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he has used bitcoin when it was politically advantageous for him for the past few years

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um so he he gets bitcoin he's not against it he uses it when you know he needs non-kyc

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fucking tickets to turkey airline tickets to turkey but yeah you know i mean um such a character that

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guy but the yeah exactly so you know you pay for bitcoin's more decentralized uh but it's still big

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for for blackrock but it's um i forgot where i was going with that but uh it definitely i would

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considered the epicenter of paper bitcoin and i think it will continue to be it there there have

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been some attempts to uh to go after new york uh and replace it so like dan held convinced uh

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francis suarez to to use a stacks thing you remember that and try and make miami

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a financial hub but he learned the hard one was on stacks yeah oh geez yeah yeah

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shit coin on a shit coin that's shit coin squared but uh yeah i mean he learned the

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hard way that shit coining is not the way to uh uh retain or gain the title of uh

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financial capital the world but yeah do you think that uh

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you know, we're watching this process as people are coming to the conclusion that Bitcoin has won.

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Do you think that New York will be able to be disrupted as the financial hub of the world?

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Or do you think with their adoption of paper Bitcoin, is that what it takes for them to retain their spot?

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It's going to be really, really hard to shake.

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I think eventually a new hub will emerge, but it's hard to shake the amount of capital that's in it right now.

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And obviously they're going to try to get in on this crypto thing with the paper Bitcoin companies,

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with the exchanges that are out there already, hopping in on the trend and trying to retain their status.

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It's really going to take a big player to really get behind it.

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and create a new hub.

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But at the same time, it's not like the old paradigm

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where you had to go to the exchange

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to fucking physically settle stuff.

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Everything is distributed online through the internet.

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So we'll see.

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We'll see.

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I think eventually something will overtake it,

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but this is not going to happen soon.

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It's all just going to be a steady decline

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as more options and hubs.

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Do you think that there's any other city in the world or any other bar in any other city that could be as iconic as Pupke?

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Or you say, hey, I'm going to tweet every day until somebody on Wall Street or somebody in the paper Bitcoin industry needs me for a drink at Pupke.

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Or guys like, I can't remember his name, but he's from Austin.

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he's at the Bitcoin meetup there

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but he was asking

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Albert Strobel

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to go on a date with him

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and that he was going to be

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at PubKey

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I like it

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this is an iconic

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it's an iconic

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bar in the capital

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of capitalism

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do you think that there's

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any place else

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that could replace that

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because until that

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there's something more iconic

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than getting a beer

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with somebody at PubKey

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New York is number one

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but with a socialist mayor

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if he wins

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the general election

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that's going to definitely put

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I mean, Matthew Cratter is going to have a field day with people going to a socialist city to hang out with influencers.

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Pledger is going to have a field day with that kind of behavior.

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A hundred percent.

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Pledger is going to be so fucking grumpy.

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He's going to call it out right away.

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He might do a tweet thread.

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But in terms of PubKey, I don't know.

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I feel like they sort of see the writing on the wall, too.

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They sort of know the power of distributed networks.

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I think they're trying to branch out to some other cities.

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I think DC is for sure on the way very soon after that.

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I think Thomas, the founder over there,

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has basically said he's willing to expand to basically any city in the world

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except for Boston.

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So we'll see.

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I hope to see some other competitors too,

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give them a little bit of a run for their money.

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Everybody is relocating to Washington.

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Even the paper Bitcoiners are relocating.

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Are you going to relocate to Washington?

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Because I think people talk about the Cantillionaire effect.

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I think Bitcoiners are realizing that it's literal proximity to the money printer.

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So they're all trying to get as close to the White House and the Federal Reserve.

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They're like encircling.

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So Bitcoiners are cornering the fiat system.

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They've got it cornered in Washington, D.C.

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They've got it cornered at the Fed.

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And they've got it cornered at the CIA.

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They've got a query of the FBI.

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Bitcoiners are closing in.

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And we're going to fix this.

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You know, Bitcoin's going to fix all these departments.

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It's going to fix the government.

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It's going to fix the kiosk system.

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So are you getting in on that?

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Are you going to, like, Bitcoin policy institute summits and, like, hanging out in D.C.

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so you can get close to the mine printer and fix it with those?

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So, I mean, I'm going to be honest.

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Like, the thought has crossed my mind.

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And so the first Bitcoin policy summit I got invited to was the one with Senator Lummis.

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So that was the last one.

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And then she went to PubKey and did a little event.

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And I thought she was going to go pay with Bitcoin.

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And we get a little transaction over Zeus, right?

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And what does this bitch do?

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Tether.

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She pays.

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No, not tether.

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Maybe worse.

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Maybe worse.

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She pays with cash.

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And she's like, I'm spending my dollars and I'm holding my Bitcoin.

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And I'm like, fuck.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Are you talking trash about cash, bro?

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Cash is private.

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They're trying to take cash away from us and you're disparaging it.

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I mean, everybody's, yeah, you're a lightning guy.

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Everybody's got shoulder backs.

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But cash, come on.

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Okay, listen, obviously cash has amazing properties.

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They're itching to take it away from us.

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But, you know, at least Tether, you know, we keep it in the family.

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Who's they?

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I'll offer him.

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Who's they?

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Who's they?

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Oh, that's a good question.

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Listen, I'm not sure if it's advisable for me to say who.

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I'm not sure if I have enough clout to say who.

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I think I might see some repercussions.

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Maybe next year if Zeus does enough sales, gets enough clout.

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The monetary maximus.

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Monetary maximus in Bitcoin.

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That's him.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's a good enough answer for now, I guess.

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um yeah yeah so uh keep going on and uh uh oh okay

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while this is hot so like we're gonna work policy summit but there's another one going on right now

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but then richard invited me to the show and i'm like well i'm not going to be recording the show

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fucking down to DC. So I told

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him to buzz off.

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And you know, honestly, it's been a great

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conversation so far. And just to be frank,

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like,

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I just don't think that

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the favors

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that would be able to be returned to

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me

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to correspond to the

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favors that they're asking

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from me.

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Yeah, it's not value for value.

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I wouldn't get what I want out of it.

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I mean, listen,

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And, you know, I could be a horny guy if I want.

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Hell, I named my company Zeus and we all know how horny that guy was in mythology.

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But you got to pay up.

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You got to pay up and my price isn't being hit.

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So, you know, we'll see.

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Maybe another offer comes on the table.

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Maybe I make my way down to BPI, Washington, D.C., you know, but right now it's not doing it for me.

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So TBD.

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how would you feel if dennis porter gave you an offer similar offer

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richard richard richard always asking the hard-hitting questions i mean

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i can't lie to you i mean

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we know the aura the pull that dennis has when he comes knocking

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realistically

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you know I

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gotta be a little humble here

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I don't think I will resist but we'll see

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we'll see I've had a couple

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convos with Dennis

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you know not so sexual in nature

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but

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are you disappointed

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by that

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I mean

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maybe but at the same time

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what can I offer him I don't live

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in DC I'm not

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you know, amongst those ranks.

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There other people that are probably more attractive to him right now Yeah that fair I don blame him I don blame him He a man on a mission You know he trying to get us to hyper

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And, you know, he sees a clear path,

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and I'm sort of the other opposite direction.

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He's also gone very hard in on his support for running knots and filters.

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And this is, you know, the Bitcoin policy in Stupel, first of all.

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It began with a standing ovation for the Genius Act.

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Because everybody at the policy institutes are very supportive of stable coins.

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What the hell is the Genius Act?

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It's a stable coin legislation.

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It sounds like everyone's going to get free repairs on their Apple products, the Genius Act.

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Yeah, there you go.

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It's modernizing the U.S. dollar system.

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Some politicians say it's bullish for Bitcoin.

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some i think dennis believes is bullish for bitcoin yes yes big time big time um interesting

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uh and it's one of the big topics of conversation this week about the policy institute uh summit

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is uh this mempool policy so there's like a big you know the controversy between communists and

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the nazis uh yeah and rob hamilton was tweeting about uh it being the mempool policy uh summit

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and all the things we're going to talk about and grassland mechanic was immediately very furious

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about this and he was he considered that this tweet an attack on bitcoin but it but it sparked

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the conference it sparked the conversation and other than dennis porter there's nobody in

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washington who is a knots runner it is all the people uh surrounding the white house and the

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federal reserve are accordionists so you know what do you think about that development and do you

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think this knots is you know it's up to 14 almost of the nodes do you think that this is legitimate

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do you think this is like a balkanization of node clients um maybe and on one hand it's probably not

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a bad thing is probably pretty good to get some diversity in clients i mean hell am i gonna run

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nuts no what are you fucking nuts but the same dei for notes yeah i think i think we should ask

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that question at the uh the beginning of every episode is which node implementation you run

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so what people can determine whether they want to listen to the episode or not because you know

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how people are these days sure thing well i'll do it right now i'm bitcoin core and i'm btcd

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have you have you ever considered running bugle core i took a look at the code and uh you know i

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was thinking it was looking pretty good i like the code basic based on obviously um but you know

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i was thinking about making some commits myself before i actually ran it on any critical

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infrastructure uh so we'll see hopefully i could push some stuff that's worthwhile um yeah if you

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wanted to make some commits to it i would uh love that actually that'd be great great do you guys

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have like a new logo for the launcher what's it look like when i install it i haven't seen that

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part of the code base we will uh yeah we can connect on this uh on the details sometime but

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i think like my question high level what would it take for bugle core to be the official node of

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like aziz wallet so people would know like if they want to pick a lighting wallet that it's

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the using a node that they trust and that they verify themselves and that they they can believe

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in it's not just you know what could the self-custody if you don't get to run your own

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node yeah yeah for sure i mean it's definitely something i've entertained as a thought like

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when i think about bugle core and i think about you know what shared values that we have you know

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as friends right here on this podcast i think like something that really resonates with me and i know

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resonates with you guys for sure is that we all think vaping is gay um if there was some way that

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i'm not sure the technology is there yet but if there was some way we can just like disconnect or

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filter out peers that were vapors that would be a really appealing feature to me and you know if

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we lose revenue from

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Zeus users that

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vape,

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so be it. Hopefully we get some

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ice smokers,

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some cigarette smokers,

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cigars, even people who do

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Zins are all preferable to

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vapors.

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Vapors are like the

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scourge of the earth.

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I think this is something Hitler

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got wrong severely

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is you

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he was going after the jews which is really stupid so it's like okay you're gonna go after

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the people that the class of people that exclusively know how to make good movies

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and to your taxes like you're gonna remove them from society it's pretty fucking retarded in my

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opinion but he never went after the vapors and i think you know germany wouldn't be such a

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pathetic country today,

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if Hitler had realized the real,

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the real group that he should have gone after and eliminated from polite society

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was the vapors,

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they are,

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they're the worst.

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That's an interesting theory.

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I wouldn't go so far as saying that I want them eradicated or even put in

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work camps or concentration camps or anything like that.

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But I would very much like to not hear from them,

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whether it be on the big network on lightning on twitter on nostril whatever just

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they can they can put them in camps i guess is fine as long as my tax paying dollars are

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going towards it like if you want to do it find it yourself uh do it start it now i don't know

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whatever but uh you know it's also stupid like you're right richard the dumb thing that hillard

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did it's like if you're gonna go you're gonna do a genocide you can't do it why would you do it

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against the jews because you're going to have to go to the the hague and you're not going to be able

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to have a jewish lawyer so like you're going to get you're going to get the death penalty that's a

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student's you got to be smarter about this it's like the same thing with iran iran just asked to

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weakly arbitrate these attacks from israel in the united states it's like you guys are fucked

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who's going to represent you yeah exactly exactly it's it's the stupidest fucking idea in state

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craft ever to go after the jews because you're you're essential essentially your ability to

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function as a state is dependent on tax revenue and so if you take all the good accountants

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and you remove them like how the fuck are you going to collect taxes at the end of the day

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it's um i mean it's it's just it's a uh action that will only lead to dysfunction 100 but um

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you know evan you're you're a guy that does well under pressure you think absolutely so

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you've got this device this this lightning wallet that has cool graphics i'm a user of it

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i think i'm a daily user i think i used it like three times today and every every transaction

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routed because my wife has been uh doing better with the the node liquidity nice but you're a man

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that does well under pressure because you're going around and you have you don't have like a big

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marketing team like one of the biggest salesmen of your product is you and so you're having to go

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and you're having to demo your product and you know you know there's that chance where you just

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get stuck in the loop where the graphics are just spinning over and over and over again

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and the transaction doesn't route which just kills the sales process right so you're under a lot of

467
00:31:17,731 --> 00:31:25,411
pressure frequently how do you deal with that pressure how do i deal with that pressure uh

468
00:31:25,411 --> 00:31:31,371
well first of all i made sure that the graphics still look fucking awesome when the transaction

469
00:31:31,371 --> 00:31:37,471
fails so i think that was paramount making sure that you know even when you can't even connect

470
00:31:37,471 --> 00:31:44,091
your node by a tor network to your node in your bunker thousands of miles away that you always

471
00:31:44,091 --> 00:31:46,311
get a cool graphic of really sad Zeus.

472
00:31:47,411 --> 00:31:48,071
So we covered

473
00:31:48,071 --> 00:31:50,031
that and then we had

474
00:31:50,031 --> 00:31:51,951
the ability to connect multiple wallets.

475
00:31:52,191 --> 00:31:52,871
You can

476
00:31:52,871 --> 00:31:56,111
have a node on your phone or a remote node.

477
00:31:56,231 --> 00:31:58,111
You could switch between them. Now you could even have

478
00:31:58,111 --> 00:31:59,231
a paper Bitcoin wallet.

479
00:31:59,631 --> 00:32:01,811
I don't really care about your wallet.

480
00:32:02,011 --> 00:32:04,231
I want to know how you deal with the pressure of

481
00:32:04,231 --> 00:32:04,971
a potential fail.

482
00:32:05,671 --> 00:32:06,851
How do you deal with it?

483
00:32:08,191 --> 00:32:09,651
That is a great question.

484
00:32:09,651 --> 00:32:19,771
I mean, really, if it's really crunch time, the big event, you know, rip a couple bogeys, you know, smoke a cigarette.

485
00:32:20,291 --> 00:32:20,831
That'll help.

486
00:32:21,891 --> 00:32:25,431
I really like drinking a lot of coffee and energy drinks, so that could get me a little anxious.

487
00:32:25,731 --> 00:32:31,311
So if I'm really using that to power through my week, I got to counteract that, too.

488
00:32:33,731 --> 00:32:35,351
Just that and Jesus.

489
00:32:35,551 --> 00:32:37,991
What about lowering your time preference?

490
00:32:37,991 --> 00:32:44,491
oh yeah i love that you know you go into your settings when you're about to make a payment

491
00:32:44,491 --> 00:32:50,831
you increase the time out 30 seconds 60 seconds now let's go to a full two minutes four minutes

492
00:32:50,831 --> 00:32:57,251
eight minutes transaction is going to go through one way or the other yeah so yeah literally like

493
00:32:57,251 --> 00:33:04,031
protocol level will ring your time preference i was talking more um metaphorically but yeah

494
00:33:04,031 --> 00:33:06,651
They both, same thing, same thing.

495
00:33:07,451 --> 00:33:11,611
Yeah, I mean, physically, literally, you know, what is time?

496
00:33:12,211 --> 00:33:18,371
It sounds like you realize it's all about the user experience because failed payments is a part of life.

497
00:33:18,571 --> 00:33:26,591
But as long as you still have a cool, like, GIF or a cool animation, it's like if you're going to make me wait in the lobby, at least give me art.

498
00:33:27,551 --> 00:33:28,271
Right, right.

499
00:33:28,331 --> 00:33:32,291
And then while you're waiting, you know, you just got to have subject matter to talk about.

500
00:33:32,291 --> 00:33:38,071
so you could you could put podcasts on like you could pipe a podcast when somebody's waiting for

501
00:33:38,071 --> 00:33:42,371
their lightning transaction to go through or they're waiting for something else in their

502
00:33:42,371 --> 00:33:47,671
lightning wallet to fucking work like it's supposed to you can watch a podcast in like

503
00:33:47,671 --> 00:33:53,711
it's like the elevator music or you know the waiting when you're on on on hold on a call

504
00:33:53,711 --> 00:33:57,311
you can have a bitcoin podcast playing in your house that would be amazing but rod how many more

505
00:33:57,311 --> 00:34:01,031
enemies do you want me to make you know you called out all my fucking rivals at the start of the show

506
00:34:01,031 --> 00:34:02,351
I was dictated.

507
00:34:02,871 --> 00:34:05,471
And now I'm going to get in the ring with fountain.

508
00:34:05,911 --> 00:34:06,071
Like,

509
00:34:06,171 --> 00:34:08,471
what am I going to do next?

510
00:34:08,551 --> 00:34:10,691
I'm going to go after YouTube or whatever.

511
00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:11,451
Spotify,

512
00:34:11,591 --> 00:34:12,511
all the podcast apps.

513
00:34:13,271 --> 00:34:13,291
Well,

514
00:34:13,311 --> 00:34:13,731
this is,

515
00:34:13,791 --> 00:34:14,411
this is,

516
00:34:14,411 --> 00:34:14,791
um,

517
00:34:14,991 --> 00:34:19,771
an important part of the Bitcoin ecosystem is everybody with a competing

518
00:34:19,771 --> 00:34:21,351
product arguing with each other.

519
00:34:21,351 --> 00:34:21,791
Like,

520
00:34:21,791 --> 00:34:22,211
uh,

521
00:34:22,211 --> 00:34:23,211
yeah.

522
00:34:23,711 --> 00:34:23,911
Yeah.

523
00:34:24,631 --> 00:34:25,691
Samurai wasabi.

524
00:34:25,891 --> 00:34:26,071
They,

525
00:34:26,171 --> 00:34:27,331
they did a lot of arguing.

526
00:34:27,731 --> 00:34:28,091
Uh,

527
00:34:28,551 --> 00:34:28,771
Oh,

528
00:34:29,091 --> 00:34:30,211
constantly dude.

529
00:34:30,211 --> 00:34:31,211
Oh sure.

530
00:34:31,211 --> 00:34:37,411
And we did an event with you guys to help support Samurai, but fully expecting them to come out and say,

531
00:34:37,411 --> 00:34:39,751
Oh yeah, thanks, but you guys are a bunch of fags.

532
00:34:39,751 --> 00:34:55,186
So you know but that what happens when you defend Liberty you defend scoundrels it okay yeah i mean do you anticipate and do you see the need for more arguing amongst the different

533
00:34:55,186 --> 00:35:00,787
lightning devs and wallet users or makers or whatever you call it i mean i think one of the

534
00:35:00,787 --> 00:35:05,527
things that we've really seen success with on the lightning network is zaps on nostr

535
00:35:05,527 --> 00:35:11,146
and being able to zap a person for their post or their note on Nostran.

536
00:35:12,047 --> 00:35:14,007
If we're not arguing about things on Nostran,

537
00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:16,607
it's all just a kumbaya circle jerk.

538
00:35:16,927 --> 00:35:19,367
There's only so many zaps that could get thrown around.

539
00:35:19,907 --> 00:35:22,947
But if you have people slamming each other about their wallet implementation

540
00:35:22,947 --> 00:35:25,407
or the privacy trade-offs, the UX, the graphics,

541
00:35:25,947 --> 00:35:30,447
and you can throw zaps left and right about who's got the best alley-oops and dunks,

542
00:35:31,007 --> 00:35:33,007
I think we're all going to really benefit.

543
00:35:33,007 --> 00:35:41,807
so lightning could benefit from their own luke and mechanic somebody to stir up some drama and get

544
00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:51,367
a huge like just timeline sucking fucking pointless debate about features about you know

545
00:35:51,987 --> 00:35:58,607
lnurl versus bolter versus uh you know the different there's different lightning clients

546
00:35:58,607 --> 00:36:05,407
right yeah cln you got lnd there's something something to get people to look at lightning

547
00:36:05,407 --> 00:36:11,327
again and care and care about it you know like we've had some good routes you know we were

548
00:36:11,327 --> 00:36:16,527
you know a few years back duking it out with mutiny and we threw some some punches back and

549
00:36:16,527 --> 00:36:22,307
forth that was fun no doubt no doubt it was really good i still like those guys uh even though you

550
00:36:22,307 --> 00:36:27,627
know we pulverize them maybe if i was on the other end i want to feel the same way but we still have

551
00:36:27,627 --> 00:36:29,787
a couple of people who are feisty, fiery

552
00:36:29,787 --> 00:36:31,287
out there. I think Blue Matt.

553
00:36:31,307 --> 00:36:32,047
Joe Nakamoto.

554
00:36:33,307 --> 00:36:35,867
Joe is very fiery.

555
00:36:36,067 --> 00:36:37,747
He is opinionated. He wears his

556
00:36:37,747 --> 00:36:38,646
heart on his sleeve, too.

557
00:36:39,367 --> 00:36:41,507
I was just thinking in terms of Lightning developers.

558
00:36:42,447 --> 00:36:43,447
Corral definitely

559
00:36:43,447 --> 00:36:45,646
speaks his mind. He gets into fights.

560
00:36:46,507 --> 00:36:47,146
We need more of that.

561
00:36:47,146 --> 00:36:47,467
Samson.

562
00:36:49,407 --> 00:36:50,907
Samson, if you want to call him a Lightning dev.

563
00:36:51,767 --> 00:36:52,027
I guess

564
00:36:52,027 --> 00:36:53,447
he's a pretty big

565
00:36:53,447 --> 00:36:54,686
wallet.

566
00:36:54,686 --> 00:37:00,127
Samson is the memer for his lightning company.

567
00:37:00,327 --> 00:37:13,527
Like, that's what more of these lightning developers, like Blue Wallet should have, you know, an influencer or a memer, you know, kind of doing stuff, like promoting them on the timeline, pointing them at conferences, things like that.

568
00:37:13,807 --> 00:37:18,787
Did they have, I feel like they were involved in some beef, but I feel like they're mostly heads down working on stuff.

569
00:37:18,887 --> 00:37:23,967
Like, I think they've been trying to wire up Spark State Train into their wallet or whatever.

570
00:37:23,967 --> 00:37:26,107
You know who's quiet is MoonWallet.

571
00:37:26,186 --> 00:37:27,206
What do you think of MoonWallet?

572
00:37:28,007 --> 00:37:29,166
Oh, MoonWallet.

573
00:37:29,367 --> 00:37:32,087
MoonWallet, fucking awesome UX when it came out,

574
00:37:32,107 --> 00:37:35,247
and then people realized where it hit the rails in those high-fee environments.

575
00:37:35,407 --> 00:37:36,186
Oh, that really sucked.

576
00:37:37,127 --> 00:37:41,287
The inside baseball on that is I think they're working on an ARC implementation.

577
00:37:41,907 --> 00:37:44,807
So they're all in on ARC, and I think they're just on that.

578
00:37:45,567 --> 00:37:53,727
Speaking of ARC, Ron and I were talking with another Layer 2,

579
00:37:53,967 --> 00:37:58,307
person.

580
00:37:58,787 --> 00:38:00,146
I guess he was just a shill.

581
00:38:00,287 --> 00:38:01,987
He was shilling for the company that was

582
00:38:01,987 --> 00:38:03,987
rolling out the Layer 2. I'm not going to say who it was.

583
00:38:04,427 --> 00:38:05,987
It sounds similar to Ark.

584
00:38:06,247 --> 00:38:08,227
There's like 20 Layer 2s

585
00:38:08,227 --> 00:38:09,287
that sound similar to Ark.

586
00:38:09,487 --> 00:38:11,507
There's Ark, there's Spark, there's Fart.

587
00:38:11,827 --> 00:38:13,347
There's all these old 2s.

588
00:38:13,787 --> 00:38:14,007
Yep.

589
00:38:14,867 --> 00:38:17,447
I want to know your opinion.

590
00:38:17,447 --> 00:38:19,387
I think this is a really important question.

591
00:38:19,527 --> 00:38:21,027
We asked the guy this,

592
00:38:21,227 --> 00:38:22,706
and he didn't really want to answer it.

593
00:38:22,706 --> 00:38:24,067
I think it made him feel uncomfortable.

594
00:38:24,467 --> 00:38:27,027
And it's just sometimes what you have to do as a journalist.

595
00:38:27,027 --> 00:38:34,146
But what is the gayest L2 being proposed right now in the pipeline?

596
00:38:38,267 --> 00:38:42,547
This is a really, really tough one.

597
00:38:42,827 --> 00:38:46,827
I think we tried to duke it out on a smaller scale.

598
00:38:47,067 --> 00:38:48,007
We were duking out.

599
00:38:49,027 --> 00:38:51,967
Was eCash gayer than Liquid?

600
00:38:52,706 --> 00:38:56,227
And obviously I thought Liquid was gayer.

601
00:38:56,467 --> 00:39:01,847
I think it's Paul Storzik's drive chain is probably the gayest to me.

602
00:39:02,327 --> 00:39:02,767
Oh, yeah.

603
00:39:02,867 --> 00:39:03,887
I mean, 100%.

604
00:39:03,887 --> 00:39:05,186
It's so gay.

605
00:39:05,186 --> 00:39:08,186
And that's like a really...

606
00:39:08,186 --> 00:39:11,447
It's really hard to get that title as the gayest of the L2s

607
00:39:11,447 --> 00:39:13,567
because you're going up against David Marcus

608
00:39:13,567 --> 00:39:16,387
and the guy who tried to do the Libra...

609
00:39:16,387 --> 00:39:16,507
Stax.

610
00:39:17,107 --> 00:39:18,646
Oh, and Stax, too.

611
00:39:18,887 --> 00:39:19,867
They're like, fuck those guys.

612
00:39:20,047 --> 00:39:20,867
They're fucking dickheads.

613
00:39:20,887 --> 00:39:21,787
Stax is really gay.

614
00:39:21,787 --> 00:39:23,267
Stax is a really gay one.

615
00:39:23,607 --> 00:39:25,507
I still think Paul's

616
00:39:25,507 --> 00:39:27,287
drive chain is the worst.

617
00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:29,767
Yeah, it's like Paul's demeanor too

618
00:39:29,767 --> 00:39:31,327
and his gay arguments.

619
00:39:31,547 --> 00:39:33,607
It's really not good. And he's such a clever guy.

620
00:39:33,847 --> 00:39:35,807
He could be doing so much better things

621
00:39:35,807 --> 00:39:37,706
with his life than pushing forward

622
00:39:37,706 --> 00:39:39,587
this gay thing that's never even going to get

623
00:39:39,587 --> 00:39:41,587
activated. It's just really

624
00:39:41,587 --> 00:39:43,067
gay.

625
00:39:44,087 --> 00:39:45,747
Did you hang out with him

626
00:39:45,747 --> 00:39:47,146
at our event? He was there.

627
00:39:47,686 --> 00:39:49,626
We talked outside the

628
00:39:49,626 --> 00:39:51,626
door. He was with, what's his

629
00:39:51,626 --> 00:39:53,427
name from Bitfm,

630
00:39:53,547 --> 00:39:55,387
Robin Linus. Robin's really nice.

631
00:39:55,487 --> 00:39:57,607
That guy looks crazy. He looks like a fucking Cuban

632
00:39:57,607 --> 00:39:59,706
porn star. I'm sure he gets ladies left and right.

633
00:40:00,387 --> 00:40:01,646
But no, Paul was funny. He was

634
00:40:01,646 --> 00:40:03,607
witty. He was nice. We threw a couple of

635
00:40:03,607 --> 00:40:05,626
witty remarks back

636
00:40:05,626 --> 00:40:07,626
and forth. I think he's a smart guy,

637
00:40:07,907 --> 00:40:09,487
but yeah, I just think

638
00:40:09,487 --> 00:40:13,607
BIP 300, 301 are

639
00:40:13,607 --> 00:40:15,166
pretty silly.

640
00:40:15,706 --> 00:40:17,206
His arguments against Lightning,

641
00:40:17,947 --> 00:40:18,727
trying to

642
00:40:18,727 --> 00:40:21,247
derive it and say, oh, we've got to activate

643
00:40:21,247 --> 00:40:26,987
my thing is just silly and bad approach you're not going to get people on your side to activate

644
00:40:26,987 --> 00:40:33,547
it when you need broad consensus right yeah i mean when i think of certain people um i just

645
00:40:33,547 --> 00:40:41,307
kind of get like these weird urges to like do certain things to them in person you know like

646
00:40:41,307 --> 00:40:47,706
when i think yeah i think sometimes it's like um what do they call it those uh those urges you

647
00:40:47,706 --> 00:40:53,126
shouldn't act on well i think these are like they're like intuitive urges i think they're

648
00:40:53,126 --> 00:40:56,927
good but like when i think of david bailey i want to twist his nipples you know what i mean

649
00:40:57,467 --> 00:41:06,767
right i mean you should use that as like a guide and know like okay maybe you shouldn't team up or

650
00:41:06,767 --> 00:41:13,447
attach your uh your sale to this person and whatever but probably wouldn't really want to

651
00:41:13,447 --> 00:41:19,047
twist his nipples would you not in a mean way you know just in a friendly way just like you know

652
00:41:19,047 --> 00:41:24,847
just like as like the first introduction before i shake his hand you might know it's me already but

653
00:41:24,847 --> 00:41:31,547
just walk up twist his nipples but when i think when i think of paul stork when i think of paul

654
00:41:31,547 --> 00:41:35,706
stork i think i think he just needs to be tickled a little bit you know what i mean

655
00:41:36,367 --> 00:41:42,686
you just need to walk up to him oh i'm telling you he's like he was super cordial in person he

656
00:41:42,686 --> 00:41:44,807
He was not, you know, the times I've met him.

657
00:41:45,047 --> 00:41:47,626
I think I met him, you know, earlier back in Miami, too.

658
00:41:47,666 --> 00:41:48,987
He's, like, he's a nice guy.

659
00:41:49,367 --> 00:41:52,126
Just, like, when you get in the weeds on stuff, he's just, like, too prickly.

660
00:41:52,287 --> 00:41:53,747
He's, like, he's in his corner.

661
00:41:53,847 --> 00:41:54,947
He's only trying to push this.

662
00:41:55,007 --> 00:41:56,607
He's, like, too defensive about it.

663
00:41:57,067 --> 00:41:58,867
He lashes out at everything else.

664
00:42:00,107 --> 00:42:04,527
I think Tickles, maybe a hug even could go a long way with someone like him.

665
00:42:04,527 --> 00:42:05,206
Yeah, yeah.

666
00:42:05,206 --> 00:42:08,706
I think just a lot of people in this space are just a little too grumpy.

667
00:42:08,706 --> 00:42:16,867
um and there's no everybody there's no need to be grumpy when you introduce yourself for the first

668
00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:21,987
time as a plaid or a pioneer whoever tomato dough you should just give him a titty twister just don't

669
00:42:21,987 --> 00:42:26,027
even say hi just give him a titty twister and then like just like oh like he would shake his hand

670
00:42:26,027 --> 00:42:31,387
uh and everybody if everybody did that he just he'd stop being grumpy i think rod you know the

671
00:42:31,387 --> 00:42:36,887
thing with matt is matt always has like one button too many unbuttoned on his shirt you can get in

672
00:42:36,887 --> 00:42:42,267
there dude you can do skin to skin oh i mean i'm not endorsing i i love matt i don't want anything

673
00:42:42,267 --> 00:42:47,867
to happen to him physically like that but if you're so inclined and you're gentle enough the

674
00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:53,447
opportunity is there that's all i'm saying he's oh yeah he's always got his his chest hair with

675
00:42:53,447 --> 00:42:57,947
like it's shining because he's got tallow on it and he's always got that shell into his shirts

676
00:42:57,947 --> 00:43:04,767
the tallow that's pretty good is there anybody that you get weird urges thinking about

677
00:43:04,767 --> 00:43:06,827
like I was describing.

678
00:43:06,847 --> 00:43:07,407
Other than Dennis?

679
00:43:08,987 --> 00:43:10,587
Well, yeah, explain your urge with Dennis.

680
00:43:11,447 --> 00:43:12,727
He's just an attractive man.

681
00:43:12,807 --> 00:43:14,666
I mean, I feel like everyone's attracted to him.

682
00:43:14,987 --> 00:43:16,287
You know, it's nothing to be ashamed about.

683
00:43:17,827 --> 00:43:20,666
But what does acting on that urge look like for you?

684
00:43:23,247 --> 00:43:29,407
You know, probably PubKey DC opens up

685
00:43:29,407 --> 00:43:31,427
and then I start tweeting at him.

686
00:43:32,047 --> 00:43:33,967
It's day one of me tweeting at Dennis Porter

687
00:43:33,967 --> 00:43:41,666
to get a drink with me at pub key dc dennis i'll get you the whale you know what that comes with

688
00:43:42,427 --> 00:43:49,507
the problem with dennis is anybody anybody who wants to hang out with dennis and like which we

689
00:43:49,507 --> 00:43:54,287
about let's get a beer pub key that's the guy dennis that's the guy dennis knows he doesn't need

690
00:43:54,287 --> 00:43:58,447
he's got he's got to go out there he's got to go out there and get the people who are playing hard

691
00:43:58,447 --> 00:44:02,047
to get he's going to get the politicians he's always looking forward right right like you know

692
00:44:02,047 --> 00:44:07,407
you could try to win him over with a ceramic frog filled with mezcal,

693
00:44:07,706 --> 00:44:09,307
but it's only going to go so far.

694
00:44:10,047 --> 00:44:10,767
So we'll see.

695
00:44:11,027 --> 00:44:13,947
Maybe post-hyper-Bitcoinization it could happen.

696
00:44:14,947 --> 00:44:16,686
Yeah, we're just talking dreams here.

697
00:44:16,727 --> 00:44:18,847
We're just talking dreams, you know, if I were to shoot my shot.

698
00:44:19,607 --> 00:44:25,747
Unfortunately, buying Dennis a drink doesn't pay for his private jet expenses.

699
00:44:26,447 --> 00:44:28,186
He's got some important work to do,

700
00:44:28,247 --> 00:44:31,146
so he's got to keep that puppy fueled at all times.

701
00:44:31,146 --> 00:44:31,907
You know what I mean?

702
00:44:32,047 --> 00:44:37,287
he's on a private jet now he's onto that grind no way who was it who was it that was talking

703
00:44:37,287 --> 00:44:43,947
shit about him in vegas rod saying that he was flying economy and then he tweeted a picture of

704
00:44:43,947 --> 00:44:50,587
his private jet in response that was that was teddy bitcoins fucking uh dennis porter

705
00:44:50,587 --> 00:44:59,487
absolutely mocked teddy bitcoins on the timeline uh right to start the con that was the kickoff

706
00:44:59,487 --> 00:45:00,646
to the Bitcoin conference.

707
00:45:01,027 --> 00:45:02,287
He was making fun of Dennis

708
00:45:02,287 --> 00:45:03,666
for flying coach

709
00:45:03,666 --> 00:45:05,847
and Dennis posted a picture of his jet

710
00:45:05,847 --> 00:45:07,267
and said, I fly private.

711
00:45:08,666 --> 00:45:09,107
Wow.

712
00:45:09,307 --> 00:45:11,067
So he actually posted about it.

713
00:45:11,186 --> 00:45:12,007
That's news to me.

714
00:45:12,067 --> 00:45:12,607
That's amazing.

715
00:45:13,907 --> 00:45:14,767
But yo, he was Bitcoin.

716
00:45:15,626 --> 00:45:16,907
He wasn't at the conference.

717
00:45:17,047 --> 00:45:19,126
I feel like it's sort of.

718
00:45:19,126 --> 00:45:21,487
Yeah, he wasn't.

719
00:45:21,626 --> 00:45:22,267
It wasn't.

720
00:45:22,407 --> 00:45:24,767
It sort of detracts from the conference

721
00:45:24,767 --> 00:45:26,007
in a big way if he wasn't there.

722
00:45:26,527 --> 00:45:28,287
Well, he got a lot of backlash

723
00:45:28,287 --> 00:45:30,067
for winning MacCity Madness.

724
00:45:30,247 --> 00:45:32,387
Like Brady Swenson

725
00:45:32,387 --> 00:45:34,166
and Corey Klipstein

726
00:45:34,166 --> 00:45:35,567
were really mad at him

727
00:45:35,567 --> 00:45:36,847
for winning.

728
00:45:38,166 --> 00:45:40,387
Yeah, like Stacey Herbert was really mad

729
00:45:40,387 --> 00:45:41,487
at him for winning.

730
00:45:42,347 --> 00:45:44,347
There was a lot of people that were really mad.

731
00:45:44,587 --> 00:45:46,407
Platter, of course, really mad.

732
00:45:46,407 --> 00:45:47,407
Oh, naturally.

733
00:45:48,666 --> 00:45:49,067
And

734
00:45:49,067 --> 00:45:52,126
yeah, I think he was kind of afraid

735
00:45:52,126 --> 00:45:54,447
of somebody trying

736
00:45:54,447 --> 00:45:56,307
to beat him up or something because they were so

737
00:45:56,307 --> 00:45:58,247
mad that he won and they didn't.

738
00:45:58,287 --> 00:46:06,447
jealousy is one hell of a hell of a drug you gotta you gotta stay humble

739
00:46:06,447 --> 00:46:12,706
it's there's a lot of you know it's a real problem in podconf you know there's this kind

740
00:46:12,706 --> 00:46:18,067
of uh competitive nature you know what i mean yeah absolutely i mean it's cutthroat out there

741
00:46:18,067 --> 00:46:21,007
you know every everyone wants to be the guy who ushers in however bitcoin is

742
00:46:21,022 --> 00:46:30,002
Everyone wants to be the guy that gets the president to just sign into law, just executive order.

743
00:46:30,382 --> 00:46:31,242
Bitcoin's the money now.

744
00:46:32,982 --> 00:46:33,122
Yeah.

745
00:46:33,782 --> 00:46:42,122
The competition is, I think, it's getting more monetized and it's getting more exciting.

746
00:46:42,282 --> 00:46:43,382
It's getting more fierce.

747
00:46:44,042 --> 00:46:47,042
I think paper Bitcoin is going to be a huge combo.

748
00:46:47,042 --> 00:46:50,622
Who's got the best paper Bitcoin mean stock?

749
00:46:51,022 --> 00:46:52,842
Is it MetaPlanet? That's who I think.

750
00:46:52,962 --> 00:46:54,602
That's my pick.

751
00:46:55,462 --> 00:46:56,862
MicroStrategy, of course, is like,

752
00:46:56,922 --> 00:46:58,962
you know, MicroStrategy

753
00:46:58,962 --> 00:47:00,902
dominance of paper Bitcoin is going to be strong

754
00:47:00,902 --> 00:47:02,982
forever, but who are like some of these other paper

755
00:47:02,982 --> 00:47:05,082
Bitcoin companies with big

756
00:47:05,082 --> 00:47:06,062
influencer investments?

757
00:47:06,862 --> 00:47:08,702
They might not cut it.

758
00:47:09,982 --> 00:47:10,942
I think,

759
00:47:11,102 --> 00:47:12,162
what is it?

760
00:47:14,382 --> 00:47:15,062
What are they

761
00:47:15,062 --> 00:47:16,602
called? The hotel stock?

762
00:47:17,422 --> 00:47:17,942
MetaPlanet.

763
00:47:17,942 --> 00:47:19,262
with Dylan McClare.

764
00:47:19,382 --> 00:47:23,662
Mediplan is probably a pretty good pick for the ones that are existing right now.

765
00:47:24,382 --> 00:47:26,422
But you've got to think, with this genius thing,

766
00:47:26,722 --> 00:47:31,002
there's going to be a lot of incumbent players from the legacy financial system

767
00:47:31,002 --> 00:47:34,062
that come in and really give everyone else a run for their money.

768
00:47:34,062 --> 00:47:38,662
Do you think Jamie Dimon is not going to come out swinging

769
00:47:38,662 --> 00:47:40,702
and go for the crown right there?

770
00:47:41,122 --> 00:47:45,002
He's like, oh, my buddy Larry Pink, he's got this ETF going on,

771
00:47:45,002 --> 00:47:49,822
I'm going to come with the hammer and really do with the premier stablecoin.

772
00:47:50,362 --> 00:47:51,742
That's who I got my money on.

773
00:47:51,862 --> 00:47:53,702
And, you know, Jamie Dimon, also Greek.

774
00:47:54,282 --> 00:47:56,062
Not that I claim him like that.

775
00:47:56,482 --> 00:47:58,502
He's going to bust some balls.

776
00:47:59,882 --> 00:48:01,582
He's right across the street from the Fed.

777
00:48:01,642 --> 00:48:02,362
He's all tied in.

778
00:48:02,922 --> 00:48:04,742
I'm not particularly worried about it right now.

779
00:48:05,262 --> 00:48:09,742
I think the Bitcoiners have an edge, like a major edge, right?

780
00:48:09,742 --> 00:48:16,442
But Jamie Dimon is dangerous only when he starts listening to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week.

781
00:48:17,002 --> 00:48:18,382
Right, and it doesn't sound like he is.

782
00:48:18,442 --> 00:48:21,022
He said Bitcoin is going to be shut off in 10 years today.

783
00:48:22,242 --> 00:48:25,402
You'll know when things are getting real.

784
00:48:26,522 --> 00:48:31,882
When JP Morgan starts hiring Bitcoin podcasters like all these treasury companies are.

785
00:48:32,602 --> 00:48:32,862
Yep.

786
00:48:33,462 --> 00:48:37,062
Who do you think would be a really good fit for them on their board?

787
00:48:37,062 --> 00:48:39,962
if they did more crypto-focused shit.

788
00:48:42,582 --> 00:48:44,822
Yeah, I think probably like

789
00:48:44,822 --> 00:48:45,582
Michelle Weakley.

790
00:48:46,222 --> 00:48:47,942
Michelle Weakley, yeah.

791
00:48:48,602 --> 00:48:50,662
Morgan Weakley, Michelle Weakley,

792
00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:53,262
maybe Aubrey Strobel,

793
00:48:53,722 --> 00:48:56,422
Dennis Porter.

794
00:48:57,242 --> 00:48:57,522
Yeah.

795
00:48:59,222 --> 00:49:00,422
Who do you think?

796
00:49:01,802 --> 00:49:03,362
Oh, it's a tough call.

797
00:49:03,362 --> 00:49:06,182
I don't know who's brushed up

798
00:49:06,182 --> 00:49:07,882
with that sort of side of the world,

799
00:49:08,082 --> 00:49:10,722
but still deep into the Bitcoin stuff.

800
00:49:10,862 --> 00:49:11,322
I don't know.

801
00:49:12,122 --> 00:49:13,082
Are you a daily?

802
00:49:13,562 --> 00:49:14,002
Nick Carter?

803
00:49:16,282 --> 00:49:18,022
Those are great choices.

804
00:49:19,082 --> 00:49:22,982
I feel like someone to not overlook

805
00:49:22,982 --> 00:49:24,342
is my boy Alex Thorne.

806
00:49:24,442 --> 00:49:26,002
He's at Galaxy Digital, you know?

807
00:49:26,262 --> 00:49:27,082
Alex Thorne.

808
00:49:27,502 --> 00:49:28,662
Alex Leishman.

809
00:49:29,782 --> 00:49:31,902
Yeah, these are heavy hitters.

810
00:49:31,902 --> 00:49:33,642
Like, you know, some of our New York crew,

811
00:49:33,762 --> 00:49:35,022
you got to...

812
00:49:35,022 --> 00:49:35,602
That's right.

813
00:49:36,182 --> 00:49:42,962
The other secret weapon that big owners have right now is Tether on Lightning.

814
00:49:43,562 --> 00:49:46,602
How excited are you for Tether on Lightning?

815
00:49:46,602 --> 00:49:50,982
How is that going to, how do you build that into Zeus?

816
00:49:51,182 --> 00:49:52,882
Because it's going to be popular.

817
00:49:53,342 --> 00:49:53,942
Oh, yeah.

818
00:49:54,042 --> 00:49:56,302
It's probably going to be more popular than Cashew.

819
00:49:57,062 --> 00:49:58,662
Yeah, probably, probably.

820
00:49:58,822 --> 00:50:02,942
But at the same time, I'm telling you, don't write off Jamie Dimon, dude.

821
00:50:02,942 --> 00:50:09,842
I mean, yeah, Tether's the most popular company in the world, most successful crypto company in the world by far.

822
00:50:10,002 --> 00:50:12,942
But Jamie Dimon gets in, you're going to be like, oh, fuck Tether.

823
00:50:13,082 --> 00:50:14,662
I want that JPMorgan coin.

824
00:50:15,402 --> 00:50:21,542
So maybe we should be thinking about how we get that JPMorgan coin into Zeus instead.

825
00:50:21,902 --> 00:50:27,162
And I don't know, maybe Cashew could be a really good route for it instead of going on to taproot assets.

826
00:50:27,322 --> 00:50:27,902
That's an idea.

827
00:50:28,822 --> 00:50:32,462
You think that JPMorgan coin is going to be an attractive asset?

828
00:50:32,462 --> 00:50:38,822
you think people are gonna want jp morgan conan you after all this after all the memes you think

829
00:50:38,822 --> 00:50:43,982
that the jp morgan conan meme is gonna people are gonna be like hell yes that's what i want or do

830
00:50:43,982 --> 00:50:50,282
you think they're gonna want the like crazy like super fit dude who's like a cypherpunk with a

831
00:50:50,282 --> 00:50:57,082
weird accent they can't quite place and who lives in the the caribbean and fucking has like four

832
00:50:57,082 --> 00:51:01,502
employees jp morgan's got like a bazillion employees he's got so much overhead

833
00:51:01,502 --> 00:51:06,722
nah well dude well you just gotta pull a trump card and you know what i would do i would call

834
00:51:06,722 --> 00:51:16,382
kali up you have that motherfucker in his orange balaclava on stage next to jamie diamond that's

835
00:51:16,382 --> 00:51:22,722
your trump card dude fuck uh paulo i know his face i know his name i might as well know his ssn

836
00:51:22,722 --> 00:51:30,722
i don't know who the fuck kali is honestly um so yeah you could trump that jv morgan needs an

837
00:51:30,722 --> 00:51:32,582
influencer for him who's a nin.

838
00:51:34,502 --> 00:51:34,982
Yeah,

839
00:51:35,082 --> 00:51:36,702
that would be good. That would be good.

840
00:51:36,822 --> 00:51:38,882
Maybe they could get Shams from

841
00:51:38,882 --> 00:51:40,662
PubKey. You know Shams?

842
00:51:40,842 --> 00:51:42,022
It says Shams-tastic a lot.

843
00:51:42,602 --> 00:51:44,502
There could be synergy there. They're both New York.

844
00:51:45,122 --> 00:51:46,402
Shams has worked in

845
00:51:46,402 --> 00:51:48,282
the financial world a little bit.

846
00:51:49,642 --> 00:51:50,882
You get that guy that works

847
00:51:50,882 --> 00:51:51,582
at Foundry.

848
00:51:55,382 --> 00:51:56,982
I forgot what his

849
00:51:56,982 --> 00:51:58,662
name is. He's the guy that

850
00:51:58,662 --> 00:52:00,682
speaks with the mask and

851
00:52:00,682 --> 00:52:02,922
wears gloves because he doesn't want them

852
00:52:02,922 --> 00:52:03,922
getting his fingerprints.

853
00:52:05,302 --> 00:52:07,162
Yeah, someone of that caliber.

854
00:52:07,302 --> 00:52:09,022
Someone who does not have their real face

855
00:52:09,022 --> 00:52:09,962
as their profile picture.

856
00:52:11,422 --> 00:52:12,682
I don't know. Maybe

857
00:52:12,682 --> 00:52:15,102
you start small. Maybe you don't

858
00:52:15,102 --> 00:52:17,482
get a super techie

859
00:52:17,482 --> 00:52:19,222
cypherpunk who's coding

860
00:52:19,222 --> 00:52:21,322
it up. Maybe you just focus it on comms.

861
00:52:21,402 --> 00:52:23,102
Maybe you get a credentialed

862
00:52:23,702 --> 00:52:24,502
journalist.

863
00:52:26,082 --> 00:52:26,982
Maybe you get a

864
00:52:26,982 --> 00:52:29,302
Rod Palmer or Dick Greaser that just do comms

865
00:52:29,302 --> 00:52:31,242
for the crypto shit at JP Morgan.

866
00:52:31,862 --> 00:52:33,282
But at the same time, I know

867
00:52:33,282 --> 00:52:34,962
you guys would demand a lot.

868
00:52:35,082 --> 00:52:36,602
I don't think they even

869
00:52:36,602 --> 00:52:39,282
produce that many cigarettes in a year to

870
00:52:39,282 --> 00:52:41,002
pay you guys off traditionally.

871
00:52:41,662 --> 00:52:43,222
I don't think JP Morgan could

872
00:52:43,222 --> 00:52:44,482
ever meet my demands

873
00:52:44,482 --> 00:52:47,122
of what I would require to work for them.

874
00:52:47,582 --> 00:52:49,202
On day one, I'd walk in

875
00:52:49,202 --> 00:52:49,942
with a chainsaw

876
00:52:49,942 --> 00:52:53,262
and HR

877
00:52:53,262 --> 00:52:54,582
would be fucking gone.

878
00:52:55,722 --> 00:52:56,762
HR would be gone.

879
00:52:59,302 --> 00:53:02,402
And that's tough to do with so many employees to just get rid of HR.

880
00:53:02,662 --> 00:53:04,042
Like that's almost impossible.

881
00:53:04,682 --> 00:53:04,962
Why?

882
00:53:06,322 --> 00:53:10,122
You know, corporate culture, you know, they're publicly traded too.

883
00:53:10,282 --> 00:53:11,162
Like get rid of HR.

884
00:53:11,662 --> 00:53:14,642
Is he going to really roll the dice and say, hey, our Bitcoin earnings are going to out?

885
00:53:14,702 --> 00:53:17,602
HR is like the worst thing ever.

886
00:53:17,602 --> 00:53:26,822
It is the worst thing ever because these women, mostly white women, have gone in and created a position for themselves that's completely worthless.

887
00:53:26,822 --> 00:53:33,982
so they they sell themselves to the employer as being protective of their business right

888
00:53:33,982 --> 00:53:39,222
they're like we need to protect you and then then they they kind of cackle behind the scenes

889
00:53:39,222 --> 00:53:47,602
talking about how they can implement all these policies that are really bad for the employer

890
00:53:47,602 --> 00:53:51,302
and super gay they're like how can we make this work environment as gay as possible

891
00:53:51,302 --> 00:53:56,702
and then they go to the employee and sell themselves to the employee like hey we're here

892
00:53:56,702 --> 00:54:03,782
for you we'll listen to your feelings you know whatever whatever and they're just snitching on

893
00:54:03,782 --> 00:54:10,522
their employees to their uh the other people in the company the the people running it essentially

894
00:54:10,522 --> 00:54:17,002
and they're like pretending like they actually want to give these people fucking raises so these

895
00:54:17,002 --> 00:54:22,542
people are like oh i need to get so that you don't fucking need them in both sides of the

896
00:54:22,542 --> 00:54:31,082
company but the the employee the uh the labor and the the capital the executives have been sold on

897
00:54:31,082 --> 00:54:35,222
this worthless position and they just make everything gayer and less productive so i would

898
00:54:35,222 --> 00:54:40,982
you don't think you could fix hr from the inside you don't think you could have like hr having

899
00:54:40,982 --> 00:54:48,542
meetings about like oh elon musk has tried with an army full of broccoli haircut elon musk just

900
00:54:48,542 --> 00:54:54,542
took on hr with a broccoli haircut army of ai zoomers and they couldn't take down hr we thought

901
00:54:54,542 --> 00:55:00,382
after trump got elected we all thought that hr was toast they were gonna be like you said going

902
00:55:00,382 --> 00:55:06,142
through with the uh shane solid elon with the fucking blame thrower throwing the hr out and

903
00:55:06,142 --> 00:55:07,762
And just in the deep state is HR.

904
00:55:07,962 --> 00:55:09,242
Like they listen to everything.

905
00:55:09,702 --> 00:55:12,642
They tell you that you need, they're protecting you.

906
00:55:12,842 --> 00:55:14,542
They tell you that they're doing this for your own good,

907
00:55:14,622 --> 00:55:16,442
that they're doing it for the best of the country.

908
00:55:16,442 --> 00:55:20,382
And then they use your data and your feelings

909
00:55:20,382 --> 00:55:23,042
and your information against you.

910
00:55:23,102 --> 00:55:24,382
And they snitch, they're spooks.

911
00:55:24,442 --> 00:55:26,442
HR, CIA, they're all spooks.

912
00:55:27,242 --> 00:55:31,402
And Elon Musk took a chainsaw to it and he got rejected.

913
00:55:31,402 --> 00:55:38,142
so that is that is they're stronger than we thought it's a bigger force than we thought

914
00:55:38,142 --> 00:55:43,022
you have to abolish it there there's no middle ground on this one it's either you're fully

915
00:55:43,022 --> 00:55:50,022
cucked you have hr or you don't and like look at the bitcoin ecosystem look look at hrf

916
00:55:50,022 --> 00:55:55,922
they try to act as the the hr for the dissidents around the world

917
00:55:55,922 --> 00:56:01,162
they're like hey we'll give you money but you have to give us kyc

918
00:56:01,162 --> 00:56:10,722
true yeah hr loves getting everybody's kyc they get they get everybody's kyc

919
00:56:10,722 --> 00:56:18,842
that's like one of their favorite jobs but anyways um yeah the rest of your demands what

920
00:56:18,842 --> 00:56:26,442
else would you demand dick uh there there needs to also be um somebody like super hot

921
00:56:26,442 --> 00:56:33,942
acting as kind of like one of the the frontline influencers so i would i would nominate kaylee

922
00:56:33,942 --> 00:56:41,062
welch for that oh total babe good choice you would need to smoke be able to smoke inside the offices

923
00:56:41,062 --> 00:56:48,982
oh yeah that doesn't even have to be said yeah of course dude fuck um there there has to be a whole

924
00:56:48,982 --> 00:56:56,502
department created for maintaining all the typewriters that will be used so you get rid

925
00:56:56,502 --> 00:57:00,922
of the hr i guess you could repurpose them into cleaning typewriters and maintenance in them

926
00:57:00,922 --> 00:57:11,042
you can retrain them on useful skills um what else would we fire the vapors or try to rehabilitate

927
00:57:11,042 --> 00:57:20,222
them that's a good point yes no i mean i don't know i i know it sounds really callous to say this

928
00:57:20,222 --> 00:57:26,762
but i i came to this conclusion yeah i came to this conclusion after being around you ever hang

929
00:57:26,762 --> 00:57:34,502
around shinobi and get a vape cloud in your face oh god no i try to hang with him uh when he can't

930
00:57:34,502 --> 00:57:42,962
be smoking we can't be hitting the vape you know under professional pretenses uh yeah sheesh i can't

931
00:57:42,962 --> 00:57:47,422
even imagine could you imagine the smell have you been hit with one of those clothes what flavors

932
00:57:47,422 --> 00:58:01,558
does he even like that guy i don know but i don remember the flavors but it was gross god so yeah like rod said send shinobi and all the vapors that work at J Morgan down to El Salvador

933
00:58:02,678 --> 00:58:05,518
I guess that's their rehabilitation.

934
00:58:06,258 --> 00:58:07,618
We just don't hear from them again.

935
00:58:08,138 --> 00:58:09,498
And they do jumping jacks

936
00:58:09,498 --> 00:58:10,698
in that giant prison.

937
00:58:12,478 --> 00:58:13,398
I like that.

938
00:58:14,038 --> 00:58:14,878
I like that.

939
00:58:14,938 --> 00:58:16,858
Plus, that fuels the circular economy.

940
00:58:16,858 --> 00:58:18,718
You know, El Salvador and Bitcoin and all.

941
00:58:19,278 --> 00:58:19,398
Yeah.

942
00:58:19,398 --> 00:58:21,698
Trump's got all the shit wrong

943
00:58:21,698 --> 00:58:23,978
about deporting all these Mexicans

944
00:58:23,978 --> 00:58:25,898
he's got to go and deport the vapors

945
00:58:25,898 --> 00:58:28,478
yeah 100%

946
00:58:28,478 --> 00:58:31,018
100%

947
00:58:31,018 --> 00:58:33,778
well we're roughly an hour in

948
00:58:33,778 --> 00:58:36,198
so have you ever listened to one of our

949
00:58:36,198 --> 00:58:37,298
interview shows before

950
00:58:37,298 --> 00:58:40,138
I listened

951
00:58:40,138 --> 00:58:42,198
to the

952
00:58:42,198 --> 00:58:44,298
ones with or the most

953
00:58:44,298 --> 00:58:45,558
latest one with fundamentals

954
00:58:45,558 --> 00:58:47,778
I listened

955
00:58:47,778 --> 00:58:49,858
to the latest one

956
00:58:49,858 --> 00:58:50,358
with

957
00:58:50,358 --> 00:58:53,958
what's the guy? The guy, the big

958
00:58:53,958 --> 00:58:55,918
guy, the tan guy's got

959
00:58:55,918 --> 00:58:57,938
the beard. He looks homeless most of the time.

960
00:58:58,038 --> 00:58:59,958
Oh, John Seth. Yeah, I listened to that

961
00:58:59,958 --> 00:59:01,858
one. John Seth, yeah. Yeah, that

962
00:59:01,858 --> 00:59:03,578
was a great one. Oh, man. He's

963
00:59:03,578 --> 00:59:04,838
such a sharp guy.

964
00:59:07,178 --> 00:59:07,578
Yeah.

965
00:59:07,958 --> 00:59:09,178
Love John Seth. He's great.

966
00:59:10,678 --> 00:59:11,878
And then, yeah,

967
00:59:11,878 --> 00:59:13,738
I think those are the only two interview ones I've listened to

968
00:59:13,738 --> 00:59:14,178
so far.

969
00:59:16,658 --> 00:59:17,318
Oh, yeah.

970
00:59:17,778 --> 00:59:24,318
well we we kind of have a ritual before we go into the ritual rod you got you got anything else

971
00:59:24,318 --> 00:59:32,378
you want to talk chat about no no i just wanted to uh to wrap up on like the paper big way no how

972
00:59:32,378 --> 00:59:39,358
do you think we talked about the gayest l2 but like what oh you see yeah that dominant that

973
00:59:39,358 --> 00:59:45,378
that competition it was way too cringe you know i really like tatum but you know i could only do

974
00:59:45,378 --> 00:59:46,438
so much cringe listening.

975
00:59:48,378 --> 00:59:49,238
He's a character.

976
00:59:49,358 --> 00:59:51,438
He's one of the kind. No one makes me feel

977
00:59:51,438 --> 00:59:52,258
more cringe than Tatum.

978
00:59:53,078 --> 00:59:54,558
He's looking for a girlfriend, man.

979
00:59:55,078 --> 00:59:56,418
I know Tatum Phyms is a girlfriend.

980
00:59:57,318 --> 00:59:58,718
He's an eligible bachelor.

981
00:59:59,798 --> 01:00:00,698
He's tall.

982
01:00:01,818 --> 01:00:02,518
So, you know,

983
01:00:03,038 --> 01:00:04,618
those were two most important qualities.

984
01:00:05,358 --> 01:00:06,318
Forklift certified.

985
01:00:07,098 --> 01:00:08,878
That's huge, dude.

986
01:00:09,598 --> 01:00:10,118
Huge.

987
01:00:10,658 --> 01:00:12,298
So what was cringe about it?

988
01:00:13,258 --> 01:00:15,078
No, just Tatum. Just Tatum's personality.

989
01:00:15,078 --> 01:00:18,258
I'm like, his response is, he's just too much.

990
01:00:18,878 --> 01:00:22,538
He did like a comedy skit at the pub key party in Vegas.

991
01:00:22,758 --> 01:00:24,078
And oh my God, dude.

992
01:00:24,178 --> 01:00:30,198
I mean, it was like such an oscillation between me like dying hysterically and just being like so cringe.

993
01:00:30,858 --> 01:00:32,138
It's like cringe core.

994
01:00:32,558 --> 01:00:38,438
You know, it's like some of the stuff is just like gives you the heebie-jeebies.

995
01:00:38,638 --> 01:00:41,478
It's like some of those like Sam Hyde skits sometimes.

996
01:00:41,478 --> 01:00:43,438
It just like teeters too much.

997
01:00:43,518 --> 01:00:44,278
It makes you uncomfortable.

998
01:00:45,078 --> 01:00:49,338
But, no, I'm looking forward to more Tatum content.

999
01:00:49,438 --> 01:00:50,938
I just don't think I could do a full hour.

1000
01:00:53,878 --> 01:00:56,498
So you think, like, how would you rank as comedy?

1001
01:00:57,018 --> 01:00:57,658
Was it pretty good?

1002
01:00:58,898 --> 01:01:00,098
Oh, it was great.

1003
01:01:00,198 --> 01:01:02,478
It was self-deprecating, a lot of good jokes.

1004
01:01:04,238 --> 01:01:09,678
But, yeah, yeah, just we've got to ease up a little bit on the cringe.

1005
01:01:09,678 --> 01:01:10,698
I mean, that's the whole thing.

1006
01:01:10,938 --> 01:01:14,478
But, like, you know, one-tenth less would go a long way.

1007
01:01:14,478 --> 01:01:21,118
so let's see yeah i was just shout out to him for getting out of his comfort zone and doing like a

1008
01:01:21,118 --> 01:01:25,618
set like that you know different format it takes a lot of balls so you know tip my hat off to him

1009
01:01:25,618 --> 01:01:32,378
for that yeah the reason why he came on the show was uh i i invited him i reached out to him i i

1010
01:01:32,378 --> 01:01:42,118
saw a friend in need you know like one of my one of my comrades in in this journey and um he uh

1011
01:01:42,118 --> 01:01:46,858
I told him that I know he wanted a girlfriend and we could essentially

1012
01:01:46,858 --> 01:01:50,458
advertise him to all the women in Bitcoin.

1013
01:01:50,958 --> 01:01:51,318
Nice.

1014
01:01:51,538 --> 01:01:51,778
And,

1015
01:01:51,818 --> 01:01:52,238
uh,

1016
01:01:52,418 --> 01:01:53,438
so that's,

1017
01:01:53,538 --> 01:01:55,298
that was like the goal of the last episode.

1018
01:01:55,298 --> 01:01:57,418
I think we did a good job of laying it out there,

1019
01:01:57,478 --> 01:01:58,818
why people should like him,

1020
01:01:59,298 --> 01:02:00,718
why they should go on dates with him.

1021
01:02:00,998 --> 01:02:02,178
Maybe have you caught up with him?

1022
01:02:02,218 --> 01:02:03,798
Has he gotten any prospects out of it?

1023
01:02:04,078 --> 01:02:04,938
Has anyone zapped him?

1024
01:02:06,318 --> 01:02:06,718
Um,

1025
01:02:06,838 --> 01:02:08,378
I did bump into him in Vegas,

1026
01:02:08,378 --> 01:02:08,898
actually.

1027
01:02:09,237 --> 01:02:09,638
Uh,

1028
01:02:10,558 --> 01:02:11,237
he was,

1029
01:02:11,237 --> 01:02:18,998
i think he just needs some like in-person coaching because crypto mags was like all over him and

1030
01:02:18,998 --> 01:02:23,658
she she wanted to go on his podcast and like one of the things you have to understand

1031
01:02:23,658 --> 01:02:32,898
as a podcaster is like if a hot woman who's like smart and knows the thing about bitcoin like

1032
01:02:32,898 --> 01:02:37,978
crypto mags wants to come on your podcast you need to like drop everything and make it happen

1033
01:02:37,978 --> 01:02:45,958
you know what i mean yeah 100 any cross media anything you know like come on let me let me

1034
01:02:45,958 --> 01:02:52,538
write an article about you blah blah blah you know just tatum's prime avenue to get in there

1035
01:02:52,538 --> 01:03:00,857
tatum's problem with women is the same problem he had with podcasting he he just had it too easy

1036
01:03:00,857 --> 01:03:05,278
when he first started podcast he had jack doors he had all the most biggest influencers wanting

1037
01:03:05,278 --> 01:03:09,818
on his podcast it was there was no challenge to him and the same with all these women all these

1038
01:03:09,818 --> 01:03:15,518
women are no challenge to him you can have them all on his podcast and but he just done he's he

1039
01:03:15,518 --> 01:03:20,938
just doesn't have the work ethic to like sit down and crank out the episodes go on dates meet girls

1040
01:03:20,938 --> 01:03:26,857
he's uh he's just add uh but he's having a good time so he's just gotta focus his attention

1041
01:03:26,857 --> 01:03:32,298
yeah i feel like one of those acts you know like these acts that come out their first album is just

1042
01:03:32,298 --> 01:03:38,038
so fire it's like oh shit just dropped appetite for destruction how is he gonna follow that up

1043
01:03:38,038 --> 01:03:44,658
it's like that was his whole folly probably should have saved dorsey for like

1044
01:03:44,658 --> 01:03:50,298
yeah he should have he should have recorded a few episodes and built up to it yeah there's still

1045
01:03:50,298 --> 01:03:54,638
there's still a lot of cool people that i don't think he's peaked yet there's a lot of cool people

1046
01:03:54,638 --> 01:04:01,538
that you could have and i think herco mags is one of those people if i don't know i would probably

1047
01:04:01,538 --> 01:04:08,378
climb a mountain and cross a river to have crypto mags on this podcast yeah she's great

1048
01:04:08,378 --> 01:04:17,778
she's a part of vibes capital so anyway yeah crypto mags is hot definitely 100 the point wasn't to

1049
01:04:17,778 --> 01:04:22,618
talk about crypto mags the point was to say uh i think tatum still needs some help i don't i don't

1050
01:04:22,618 --> 01:04:27,898
think the advertise uh you know because like one of the things is like you can advertise for a

1051
01:04:27,898 --> 01:04:34,878
product but if you can't manage a sales funnel and convert right it's pretty useless right that's

1052
01:04:34,878 --> 01:04:40,958
true funnels are important for funnels are everything all right that isn't yeah business

1053
01:04:40,958 --> 01:04:46,698
cat calls on gravity wells all right so you sort of listen so you answered one of the questions of

1054
01:04:46,698 --> 01:04:51,778
the ritual so you you answered uh oh this was part of it i thought this was a detour yeah i

1055
01:04:51,778 --> 01:04:57,718
listen to a couple of shows guys are good no wait well we always ask if you listen to the last

1056
01:04:57,718 --> 01:05:02,478
episode and uh so it sounds like you listen to like a little bit of it so you have some other

1057
01:05:02,478 --> 01:05:08,498
context and we just kind of like covered the synopsis of uh right i probably got 20 30 minutes

1058
01:05:08,498 --> 01:05:14,038
in you know i was talking about a sailor he's like i'm not sure i want to yeah i listened to

1059
01:05:14,038 --> 01:05:21,318
part of it i was yeah i mean yeah i'd like to see crypto mags on this podcast soon because she went

1060
01:05:21,318 --> 01:05:28,998
to africa to run bid axes and uh that's like that's like the equivalent of like

1061
01:05:28,998 --> 01:05:34,498
a church group going to like puerto rico to build houses you know what i mean

1062
01:05:34,498 --> 01:05:42,918
yeah so that's a big moment for bitcoin for her and econo alchemist and a few of those other guys

1063
01:05:42,918 --> 01:05:50,837
to to essentially go on a missionary trip to africa with some bid axes so she's deserving of

1064
01:05:50,837 --> 01:05:59,038
But the second question, and arguably the most important question, Evan, is are you Jewish?

1065
01:06:00,097 --> 01:06:01,458
Am I Jewish?

1066
01:06:02,818 --> 01:06:04,357
No, unfortunately.

1067
01:06:04,978 --> 01:06:07,097
I am Greek, Greek Orthodox.

1068
01:06:07,837 --> 01:06:10,398
But part of me wishes I was Jewish, or at least part.

1069
01:06:10,398 --> 01:06:15,938
you know so i've noticed that amongst lightning developers

1070
01:06:15,938 --> 01:06:25,878
people building these wallets there's a severe underrepresentation of jews and i'm curious

1071
01:06:25,878 --> 01:06:34,658
do you think that's one a problem and two why there hasn't been any decent accounting services

1072
01:06:34,658 --> 01:06:40,118
for managing all of your transactions.

1073
01:06:40,118 --> 01:06:42,158
Or legal representation.

1074
01:06:43,018 --> 01:06:46,058
Doing accounting in L&D is actually nuts.

1075
01:06:48,317 --> 01:06:51,618
But, you know, they do have some Jewish folks,

1076
01:06:51,678 --> 01:06:53,337
some fine Jewish folks at Lightning Labs.

1077
01:06:53,478 --> 01:06:54,678
It's just they're not developers.

1078
01:06:54,738 --> 01:06:55,798
They're not the ones coding this up.

1079
01:06:55,878 --> 01:06:59,258
So, yeah, if they did have some more Jewish programmers,

1080
01:06:59,577 --> 01:07:01,418
that certainly would have been nipped in the bud.

1081
01:07:01,418 --> 01:07:11,478
um but no they're they're great jewish uh lightning devs i think right uh roy sheffield he's from

1082
01:07:11,478 --> 01:07:19,938
israel right um who else i'm ben kaufman ben kaufman's working on something now yeah ben

1083
01:07:19,938 --> 01:07:25,918
kaufman's working at uh at keeper which is like a multi-sig mobile wallet yeah ben kaufman is great

1084
01:07:25,918 --> 01:07:26,558
I love Ben.

1085
01:07:27,038 --> 01:07:28,198
He's one of my favorite Jews.

1086
01:07:28,998 --> 01:07:29,438
Oh, yeah.

1087
01:07:29,718 --> 01:07:30,558
He's up there.

1088
01:07:30,658 --> 01:07:32,918
He's up there in the ranks for me.

1089
01:07:33,077 --> 01:07:37,577
You know, he's up there with, well, maybe not quite as much as fundamentals, but close.

1090
01:07:38,298 --> 01:07:39,018
Damn close.

1091
01:07:41,258 --> 01:07:44,298
I wish we had a list of all the Jewish developers on Lightning.

1092
01:07:45,538 --> 01:07:47,138
I don't know.

1093
01:07:47,298 --> 01:07:52,978
You know, it's kind of a bad idea to mix Jews and lists.

1094
01:07:53,678 --> 01:07:54,138
You know what I mean?

1095
01:07:54,618 --> 01:07:54,837
Yeah.

1096
01:07:54,837 --> 01:07:56,538
That's a meme.

1097
01:07:57,378 --> 01:07:59,918
The Jews don't like to be on lists.

1098
01:08:00,378 --> 01:08:00,817
That's for sure.

1099
01:08:00,938 --> 01:08:03,038
Definitely don't inscribe that anywhere.

1100
01:08:04,038 --> 01:08:05,518
Oh yeah, for sure.

1101
01:08:06,638 --> 01:08:08,077
That's the thing.

1102
01:08:08,998 --> 01:08:12,817
That is the answer right there.

1103
01:08:13,138 --> 01:08:14,198
How can you promote lightning?

1104
01:08:15,238 --> 01:08:16,138
Jewish lightning.

1105
01:08:16,418 --> 01:08:17,638
Everybody loves Jewish lightning.

1106
01:08:18,298 --> 01:08:19,478
It's already a meme.

1107
01:08:19,478 --> 01:08:21,038
You just subscribe it to a new product.

1108
01:08:21,218 --> 01:08:21,418
Boom.

1109
01:08:21,638 --> 01:08:22,158
Takes off.

1110
01:08:22,158 --> 01:08:29,718
the reason why the jews don't like kyc in general is because they know the the risk of being on list

1111
01:08:29,718 --> 01:08:37,357
yeah that's for sure um okay well yeah so then we make you read all the boosts with us

1112
01:08:37,357 --> 01:08:44,337
from the previous week oh shit i fucked up guys i was gonna send a boost uh damn it i'll send one

1113
01:08:44,337 --> 01:08:48,817
next week that'll be funny it would be funny if i had to read my own boost but okay let's go through

1114
01:08:48,817 --> 01:08:52,518
Most people don't even listen, so man, go ahead.

1115
01:08:56,857 --> 01:09:00,778
Late stage hodl. Do you know late stage hodl, Evan?

1116
01:09:01,118 --> 01:09:06,778
No, it sounds familiar. There's a lot of pioneers to keep track of.

1117
01:09:07,798 --> 01:09:12,418
Are you going to be going to Lake Satoshi by chance in August?

1118
01:09:13,317 --> 01:09:16,337
I'm trying to sell my wife on it.

1119
01:09:16,337 --> 01:09:22,058
But our local group here told me about it, like Shads and Fundamentals, they told me about it.

1120
01:09:22,538 --> 01:09:23,718
It sounds like a great time.

1121
01:09:24,938 --> 01:09:37,913
If I could also work on a trip to Detroit where we got another merchant that we really excited about can be fantastic But as of now I don think it happening I just got too much travel going on unfortunately

1122
01:09:38,953 --> 01:09:42,173
But maybe next year at the very least, it would be great.

1123
01:09:42,813 --> 01:09:44,153
Late-stage hodl will be there.

1124
01:09:45,593 --> 01:09:49,893
Just like a fire question before we get derailed, just like short answer on this one.

1125
01:09:49,893 --> 01:09:50,393
Sure.

1126
01:09:51,373 --> 01:09:56,073
How much Bitcoin do you think you need to be able to remodel your kitchen for your wife in 15 years?

1127
01:09:56,533 --> 01:09:57,693
In 15 years?

1128
01:10:00,813 --> 01:10:02,973
For, like, a good remodeling job?

1129
01:10:04,953 --> 01:10:06,093
Like 100 sats?

1130
01:10:08,233 --> 01:10:09,733
That might be a little low.

1131
01:10:10,093 --> 01:10:14,033
Let's say 200.

1132
01:10:16,313 --> 01:10:17,273
200 sats.

1133
01:10:17,353 --> 01:10:18,553
All right, there you go, folks.

1134
01:10:18,953 --> 01:10:21,373
You don't need to be saving that fucking hard.

1135
01:10:21,613 --> 01:10:23,613
These guys, like, Sailor,

1136
01:10:23,613 --> 01:10:29,713
If you could afford to remodel the kitchen for your wife in 15 years with 200 cents.

1137
01:10:29,713 --> 01:10:30,853
Save some for the rest of us.

1138
01:10:31,013 --> 01:10:31,713
Like, shit, guys.

1139
01:10:31,853 --> 01:10:33,733
Like, fucking zap the guys here.

1140
01:10:33,793 --> 01:10:35,053
They're doing a great job with the pot.

1141
01:10:35,233 --> 01:10:38,033
Like, let's get some more zap reads.

1142
01:10:38,513 --> 01:10:40,493
You know, fucking value for value over here, guys.

1143
01:10:41,053 --> 01:10:46,593
If that's the fucking case, then you know how valuable the fold wheel is?

1144
01:10:48,113 --> 01:10:49,993
Getting like five sats a day.

1145
01:10:51,673 --> 01:10:52,793
Oh, fuck.

1146
01:10:52,793 --> 01:11:02,393
that's you just need driveway you need fucking like 40 days of spinning the fold wheel to be able to

1147
01:11:03,093 --> 01:11:09,133
afford to get your wife a brand new kitchen in 15 years and imagine if it was really that good

1148
01:11:09,133 --> 01:11:16,533
i'm saying realistically you know like 100 100 000 sats you'll have a banging kitchen

1149
01:11:16,533 --> 01:11:23,713
like come on this is i don't want to derail this too much but last one how how long and how much to

1150
01:11:23,713 --> 01:11:29,433
afford one of those big ass stone walls that stony bits and builds and always most pictures of

1151
01:11:29,433 --> 01:11:38,033
uh built by stony or just similar yeah built by stony like you come out to your come out to your

1152
01:11:38,033 --> 01:11:43,373
house and build it in fucking 15 years that guy you're gonna have to move mountains to get him to

1153
01:11:43,373 --> 01:11:48,793
move stones for you so probably a fucking pot load dude but he'd do a great job it looks like

1154
01:11:48,793 --> 01:11:58,253
he does some fantastic work hell yeah we really dragged out that fire question sorry but we hit

1155
01:11:58,253 --> 01:12:03,353
on some good points it's okay that was fine it's all very important stuff we're discussing here

1156
01:12:03,353 --> 01:12:12,173
folks um yeah yeah late stage hodl 10 000 sats i guess i forgot to boost last episode oops wish i

1157
01:12:12,173 --> 01:12:14,093
had known Tatum would be on this one.

1158
01:12:14,693 --> 01:12:16,233
I sent him a plug minor

1159
01:12:16,233 --> 01:12:17,813
sticker, or John did,

1160
01:12:18,253 --> 01:12:20,033
and he put it on an S9

1161
01:12:20,033 --> 01:12:22,133
he had. Could see it in a few

1162
01:12:22,133 --> 01:12:23,553
interviews. Yeah.

1163
01:12:23,993 --> 01:12:24,733
That's sweet.

1164
01:12:26,033 --> 01:12:27,953
Always feels good when someone

1165
01:12:27,953 --> 01:12:30,033
is using something you gave to them or

1166
01:12:30,033 --> 01:12:30,413
sent them.

1167
01:12:32,913 --> 01:12:33,833
That is cool.

1168
01:12:34,193 --> 01:12:35,953
That is really cool. I like the guys that are

1169
01:12:35,953 --> 01:12:37,333
in Governable Misfits a lot,

1170
01:12:38,213 --> 01:12:38,773
and

1171
01:12:38,773 --> 01:12:42,033
it was fun that Tatum was

1172
01:12:42,033 --> 01:12:43,273
connected to them in some way.

1173
01:12:46,493 --> 01:12:48,253
The bitaxers

1174
01:12:48,253 --> 01:12:50,013
killed the pleb

1175
01:12:50,013 --> 01:12:50,653
miner meme.

1176
01:12:54,533 --> 01:12:55,333
That's okay.

1177
01:12:56,713 --> 01:12:57,373
It was enough.

1178
01:12:57,373 --> 01:12:59,213
It's probably best to move on.

1179
01:12:59,333 --> 01:13:00,353
We're pioneers now.

1180
01:13:01,113 --> 01:13:02,613
Solo Satoshi is

1181
01:13:02,613 --> 01:13:05,233
the bitaxe guys with the plebs.

1182
01:13:06,153 --> 01:13:07,413
We're pioneers now.

1183
01:13:07,753 --> 01:13:09,233
Right, guys. We gotta be

1184
01:13:09,233 --> 01:13:11,273
doing real mining. Don't expect you

1185
01:13:11,273 --> 01:13:13,393
to do the kitchen renovations at 200 sats.

1186
01:13:13,613 --> 01:13:16,913
Let's set our sights a little higher.

1187
01:13:17,073 --> 01:13:18,073
You guys can do it.

1188
01:13:18,133 --> 01:13:19,313
But still, at the same time,

1189
01:13:19,413 --> 01:13:20,913
they'll fucking zap the show, you dicks.

1190
01:13:21,873 --> 01:13:25,453
Who is the lightning wallet of the plebs?

1191
01:13:25,893 --> 01:13:27,273
Because I would argue Zeus

1192
01:13:27,273 --> 01:13:29,293
is definitely one of the ones the pioneers use.

1193
01:13:29,653 --> 01:13:30,953
Oh, 100% of the pioneers.

1194
01:13:30,953 --> 01:13:34,953
Well, plebs is probably wallet of Satoshi,

1195
01:13:35,193 --> 01:13:36,113
or at least it was.

1196
01:13:36,613 --> 01:13:37,533
And now, you know,

1197
01:13:37,633 --> 01:13:40,013
the plebs can barely make their heads from their asses.

1198
01:13:40,153 --> 01:13:40,633
Strike.

1199
01:13:41,273 --> 01:13:44,293
Yeah, like Strike, just KYC, do Cash App maybe.

1200
01:13:45,473 --> 01:13:46,273
Whatever's easiest.

1201
01:13:46,373 --> 01:13:48,413
They don't give a fuck about the KYC, a lot of those guys.

1202
01:13:49,253 --> 01:14:01,913
So you think when a pleb is going and trying to decentralize the network and buy a bidaxe of Bitcoin from Sol Satoshi, they just use Strike or Cash App?

1203
01:14:02,113 --> 01:14:06,973
No, they'll first log into the Stripe account and they're like, oh yeah, Stripe supports crypto.

1204
01:14:06,973 --> 01:14:11,793
and then it's only the Ethereum-based stablecoin shitcoins.

1205
01:14:12,373 --> 01:14:14,993
They're like, oh, why is the checkout not working?

1206
01:14:15,813 --> 01:14:18,993
But yeah, then they'll eventually land on a cash app or a strike

1207
01:14:18,993 --> 01:14:20,613
or something similar like that.

1208
01:14:23,193 --> 01:14:28,973
It's wonderful the lengths people are going for decentralization these days.

1209
01:14:29,873 --> 01:14:31,713
Yeah, well, it could be worse.

1210
01:14:33,473 --> 01:14:35,693
This is a whole topic I wanted to get into,

1211
01:14:35,693 --> 01:14:39,493
but i don't think i think we should go through the booths uh before we get too derailed but

1212
01:14:39,493 --> 01:14:46,053
i was wondering if you ever want just like quick yes or no i was wondering if you were ever going

1213
01:14:46,053 --> 01:14:54,493
to use the decentralization uh marketing meme that all these guys use uh like the bid axers

1214
01:14:54,493 --> 01:14:59,273
use this ocean uses this you have to use their product to decentralize something

1215
01:14:59,273 --> 01:15:06,993
um have you ever considered that as a marketing uh effort for decentralizing the network the

1216
01:15:06,993 --> 01:15:13,793
lightning network oh like you gotta reuse zeus wallow to decentralize the lightning network like

1217
01:15:13,793 --> 01:15:21,613
that meme yeah yeah yeah so you you you raise your fist up and you shake it in the air and then you

1218
01:15:21,613 --> 01:15:27,753
get invited on all these stages at conferences so you know nifty i'll invite you to be tcu plus plus

1219
01:15:27,753 --> 01:15:34,553
to argue with justifer um oh yeah that's already happening i'm gonna be in berlin baby that'll be

1220
01:15:34,553 --> 01:15:40,593
fun that's a light new one i mean it gets you on all the podcasts you'll you'll go on natalie's

1221
01:15:40,593 --> 01:15:49,353
podcast you'll go on marty's podcast in right you know i do need to lean into that sort of

1222
01:15:49,353 --> 01:15:54,233
meme ability over the bear adventure i thought you were gonna ask me if i was doing like zap

1223
01:15:54,233 --> 01:15:59,893
advertising i'm like oh shit yeah we should do that oh that is that is a very cool thing that uh

1224
01:15:59,893 --> 01:16:04,653
i think we should collaborate on one there's so much text that you could put in one of those

1225
01:16:04,653 --> 01:16:11,713
messages why don't we split the cost why don't we say yo dude download zeus and listen to bugle

1226
01:16:11,713 --> 01:16:20,293
weekly like that could be a great advertising send the whole network one set what's the uh what's the

1227
01:16:20,293 --> 01:16:25,073
limit, data limit

1228
01:16:25,073 --> 01:16:27,553
on a Zapp advertisement?

1229
01:16:29,773 --> 01:16:31,473
You could get a decent amount of text

1230
01:16:31,473 --> 01:16:33,333
in there. I'm not sure we could do two URLs,

1231
01:16:33,653 --> 01:16:35,513
but we don't need

1232
01:16:35,513 --> 01:16:37,513
our link in there. Just do 40 hours

1233
01:16:37,513 --> 01:16:39,573
per week? Yeah, perfect.

1234
01:16:39,893 --> 01:16:41,313
Fucking download Zeus,

1235
01:16:41,553 --> 01:16:43,493
run lightning, let's do 40 hours per week.

1236
01:16:43,593 --> 01:16:45,073
Yeah, I'll do it.

1237
01:16:45,073 --> 01:16:47,473
I'll put some

1238
01:16:47,473 --> 01:16:49,033
stats towards Lynn Alden's hot

1239
01:16:49,033 --> 01:16:50,873
for sure. Nice, man.

1240
01:16:50,953 --> 01:16:52,693
We'll work that out after this show.

1241
01:16:52,893 --> 01:16:54,993
Alright, yeah, yeah. Let's not get into

1242
01:16:54,993 --> 01:16:57,013
the technicals. Alright, should I do this

1243
01:16:57,013 --> 01:16:58,013
next one? Open mic?

1244
01:16:58,973 --> 01:17:00,973
If you want to read them, you can, for sure.

1245
01:17:01,193 --> 01:17:03,113
Let's do it. Open mic.

1246
01:17:03,113 --> 01:17:03,993
He zaps

1247
01:17:03,993 --> 01:17:06,953
7,777 sats.

1248
01:17:07,913 --> 01:17:09,093
Bugle mile

1249
01:17:09,093 --> 01:17:10,753
high club. Squeezing in my

1250
01:17:10,753 --> 01:17:12,613
40 hours per week en route

1251
01:17:12,613 --> 01:17:14,913
to satirize the system. And then

1252
01:17:14,913 --> 01:17:16,993
I think he put a link to the

1253
01:17:16,993 --> 01:17:18,313
event. Yep.

1254
01:17:19,033 --> 01:17:20,053
Thank you, Open Mike.

1255
01:17:23,173 --> 01:17:23,893
Yeah, thank you.

1256
01:17:25,173 --> 01:17:26,593
We haven't done this in a while, yeah.

1257
01:17:26,813 --> 01:17:28,833
So this is still pre-conference.

1258
01:17:29,073 --> 01:17:32,213
But yeah, we got to see Mike at the show.

1259
01:17:33,393 --> 01:17:33,773
Nice.

1260
01:17:35,233 --> 01:17:39,393
I hope to be hanging out with him quite a bit in the future.

1261
01:17:39,573 --> 01:17:40,653
I'm looking forward to it.

1262
01:17:41,253 --> 01:17:43,353
Unfortunately, we had events at the same time.

1263
01:17:43,413 --> 01:17:44,673
He's running the Noster event.

1264
01:17:44,673 --> 01:17:50,813
and uh that was a bummer that it conflicted like that because i i would have liked to have been at

1265
01:17:50,813 --> 01:17:58,733
that but our event got like pushed back too i was gonna run over there at the end but our event went

1266
01:17:58,733 --> 01:18:09,813
way late have you met open mic evan i feel like i must have yeah he's a cool dude he uh

1267
01:18:09,813 --> 01:18:18,493
he's a music executive and he is uh the guy behind tunster which is

1268
01:18:18,493 --> 01:18:24,413
the fork of zapped out stream where musicians yeah yeah yeah yeah i think i think i met him

1269
01:18:24,413 --> 01:18:29,793
a while back uh did i see him at the show i don't think so but at the same time at the show i was

1270
01:18:29,793 --> 01:18:36,193
like all over the place i was a fucking mess um but yeah tunster is super cool it's rad we we need

1271
01:18:36,193 --> 01:18:38,153
more music products in the space.

1272
01:18:38,333 --> 01:18:40,253
We can't just let Wave Lake do

1273
01:18:40,253 --> 01:18:42,073
everything. There's so much more to do.

1274
01:18:46,433 --> 01:18:48,133
He's a cool dude, yeah. I like

1275
01:18:48,133 --> 01:18:49,633
Toonstir a lot. Big fan.

1276
01:18:52,013 --> 01:18:52,493
Timesloth

1277
01:18:52,493 --> 01:18:53,973
5000Sats says

1278
01:18:53,973 --> 01:18:56,313
the overtime for 40 HPW

1279
01:18:56,313 --> 01:18:57,353
of cerebral

1280
01:18:57,353 --> 01:18:59,993
Adam Back

1281
01:18:59,993 --> 01:19:01,573
podcast while going to sleep

1282
01:19:01,573 --> 01:19:04,393
while being listened to in sleep

1283
01:19:04,393 --> 01:19:05,773
is how real Bitcoin

1284
01:19:05,773 --> 01:19:08,073
learning must occur. I apologize. I'm butchering

1285
01:19:08,073 --> 01:19:08,933
the reading of that.

1286
01:19:09,553 --> 01:19:11,693
I was trying to understand what the hell he was talking about.

1287
01:19:12,473 --> 01:19:14,133
In your sleep, maybe I'll give you

1288
01:19:14,133 --> 01:19:15,433
0.5x. I don't know.

1289
01:19:17,193 --> 01:19:17,633
Do you ever

1290
01:19:17,633 --> 01:19:20,253
listen to Adam Back Podcast to fall asleep?

1291
01:19:21,333 --> 01:19:21,893
I mean,

1292
01:19:21,893 --> 01:19:23,013
they're the best, dude.

1293
01:19:23,613 --> 01:19:28,213
That and the Bitcoin Review Podcast,

1294
01:19:28,513 --> 01:19:29,273
what else do you need?

1295
01:19:30,773 --> 01:19:31,273
Exactly.

1296
01:19:34,093 --> 01:19:35,613
Yeah, that's 5,000 stats.

1297
01:19:35,773 --> 01:19:37,433
Thank you, Time Sloth.

1298
01:19:37,513 --> 01:19:40,693
We got StackGero, 5,000 sats.

1299
01:19:41,273 --> 01:19:42,113
The Overtime...

1300
01:19:42,113 --> 01:19:45,093
Oh, it's a duplicate.

1301
01:19:45,893 --> 01:19:51,953
The next one is 2,121 sats from Odie, 40 hours per week.

1302
01:19:52,313 --> 01:19:54,273
First time I've heard of this Tatum guy.

1303
01:19:54,933 --> 01:19:58,093
He needs to work more with this Gambian audience.

1304
01:19:58,093 --> 01:20:01,473
Maybe prioritize Oslo Freedom Forum before Vegas,

1305
01:20:01,593 --> 01:20:03,093
like BTC Sessions did.

1306
01:20:04,413 --> 01:20:04,533
Ooh.

1307
01:20:05,773 --> 01:20:09,413
Looks like Tatum could be going to Oslo next year.

1308
01:20:09,833 --> 01:20:13,133
If he wants to build his Ski-Indian audience,

1309
01:20:13,673 --> 01:20:16,513
there's probably a lot of hot chicks in Ski-Indianavia

1310
01:20:16,513 --> 01:20:22,693
who would like a big Bitcoin liner like Tatum

1311
01:20:22,693 --> 01:20:24,113
to keep them warm in the wintertime.

1312
01:20:24,833 --> 01:20:26,453
Yeah, that sounds like a grand slam.

1313
01:20:26,533 --> 01:20:27,273
A lot of blonde chicks.

1314
01:20:28,713 --> 01:20:30,413
All right, I'm going to do this next one.

1315
01:20:30,413 --> 01:20:33,673
Odie, 40 HPW sends 2000.

1316
01:20:34,173 --> 01:20:34,773
That's a repeat.

1317
01:20:35,093 --> 01:20:35,733
Read this one.

1318
01:20:35,773 --> 01:20:38,453
oh no sorry yeah my bad

1319
01:20:38,453 --> 01:20:40,993
Bitcoin account

1320
01:20:40,993 --> 01:20:41,953
Bitcoin

1321
01:20:41,953 --> 01:20:44,333
ACCT account

1322
01:20:44,333 --> 01:20:46,153
I don't know he sends

1323
01:20:46,153 --> 01:20:48,793
2,112 sats

1324
01:20:48,793 --> 01:20:51,073
he says Mr. Turnip's romantic

1325
01:20:51,073 --> 01:20:53,073
success could make him Rocky

1326
01:20:53,073 --> 01:20:54,993
Balboa, Luke Skywalker

1327
01:20:54,993 --> 01:20:56,393
or Gandhi

1328
01:20:56,393 --> 01:20:58,133
for the orange cells

1329
01:20:58,133 --> 01:21:01,133
yeah I agree that would be massive

1330
01:21:01,133 --> 01:21:16,369
the orange cells need a win huge yeah they do and he can do it tatum i actually truly do believe in him so that would be amazing we need an orange shell season like a season for

1331
01:21:16,369 --> 01:21:21,429
the orange cells to just get in win after win somebody's gonna ask albert strobel to get a

1332
01:21:21,429 --> 01:21:26,909
a beer with her at bob key she's gonna say yes like it's it's just gonna happen you know they're

1333
01:21:26,909 --> 01:21:30,989
gonna get on podcasts and we're gonna see we're gonna see a renaissance for the orange cells i

1334
01:21:30,989 --> 01:21:36,409
don't know if it's soon i hope it is i hope it is for their sake but it feels it feels like it could

1335
01:21:36,409 --> 01:21:41,669
come the vibes are shifting it's okay just lower your time preference you'll be okay exactly

1336
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:53,149
next one is uh 500 sats from turkey just to link thank you turkey and then i'll just do the next

1337
01:21:53,149 --> 01:21:59,669
one because it's also a bar a farm animal bob the cow uh tatum won't stay single for long if btc

1338
01:21:59,669 --> 01:22:00,349
keeps pumping.

1339
01:22:01,389 --> 01:22:03,729
Bob the cow, this cow,

1340
01:22:04,669 --> 01:22:05,769
even the cows know

1341
01:22:05,769 --> 01:22:07,669
that when BT pumps,

1342
01:22:08,809 --> 01:22:09,909
orange sales get more attractive.

1343
01:22:10,069 --> 01:22:11,909
Maybe that's what brings orange sales season

1344
01:22:11,909 --> 01:22:13,349
at a bull market.

1345
01:22:14,729 --> 01:22:15,469
Hell yeah.

1346
01:22:16,109 --> 01:22:18,009
I got this next one because I like the handle

1347
01:22:18,009 --> 01:22:19,669
here. BTC on board,

1348
01:22:19,809 --> 01:22:21,769
hashtag LNHands or

1349
01:22:21,769 --> 01:22:22,909
hashtag CTV.

1350
01:22:23,509 --> 01:22:25,769
Sends 300 sats. He sends three emojis.

1351
01:22:25,869 --> 01:22:27,189
Two thumbs up and a lightning bolt.

1352
01:22:28,369 --> 01:22:29,589
Love it, BTC on board.

1353
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:30,109
Thank you.

1354
01:22:30,969 --> 01:22:32,189
What's your rundown?

1355
01:22:32,349 --> 01:22:32,689
What's out?

1356
01:22:32,869 --> 01:22:34,049
Ellen Hance, good or bad?

1357
01:22:34,729 --> 01:22:35,369
Is it gay?

1358
01:22:35,589 --> 01:22:35,949
Is it good?

1359
01:22:36,889 --> 01:22:38,289
Ellen Hance is great.

1360
01:22:38,469 --> 01:22:42,129
It's not as earth-shattering as some people say,

1361
01:22:42,189 --> 01:22:43,549
but it would be a great enhancement.

1362
01:22:43,909 --> 01:22:45,749
I'm more excited about CTV by itself,

1363
01:22:45,949 --> 01:22:47,389
all the stuff that opens up.

1364
01:22:48,089 --> 01:22:49,229
Let's fucking activate it.

1365
01:22:49,849 --> 01:22:51,649
We could get into that in another show.

1366
01:22:52,249 --> 01:22:54,949
Rob Hamilton would probably twist your nipples hearing that.

1367
01:22:56,429 --> 01:22:57,289
What do you mean?

1368
01:22:57,289 --> 01:23:01,889
He's fucking signed the letter that said he's in favor of activating it.

1369
01:23:02,369 --> 01:23:05,569
No, but he wants CTV and something else.

1370
01:23:06,429 --> 01:23:09,069
CTV and Chexig from Stack, yeah.

1371
01:23:09,269 --> 01:23:10,129
We want them together.

1372
01:23:10,989 --> 01:23:15,589
I feel like he's saying CTV by itself is kind of like taking your nails

1373
01:23:15,589 --> 01:23:18,349
and going across the chalkboard for him.

1374
01:23:18,869 --> 01:23:20,289
Oh, dude, look who's up.

1375
01:23:20,429 --> 01:23:22,929
And he's dropping multiple in a row over here.

1376
01:23:24,249 --> 01:23:25,149
Oh, you know this guy?

1377
01:23:25,149 --> 01:23:31,989
uh fucking pies of course dude uh he's like probably the pioneer i want to meet the most

1378
01:23:31,989 --> 01:23:38,989
from you know from the author look how many he did one two three four you gotta let me read

1379
01:23:38,989 --> 01:23:44,889
no you can read them all read them all and do and read them however you think pies are you

1380
01:23:44,889 --> 01:23:51,949
or whatever you do it okay pies hundred sets emoji this it's the bird being flipped three

1381
01:23:51,949 --> 01:23:54,229
mushrooms three bicep

1382
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:56,189
pumps fuck yeah

1383
01:23:56,189 --> 01:23:58,109
pies love that next

1384
01:23:58,109 --> 01:23:59,989
up another one from pies 100 Tatum

1385
01:23:59,989 --> 01:24:01,609
dropped the vest and just hired me

1386
01:24:01,609 --> 01:24:03,869
and my homies as security

1387
01:24:03,869 --> 01:24:06,469
fantastic advice

1388
01:24:06,469 --> 01:24:08,289
at least try

1389
01:24:08,289 --> 01:24:10,209
it Tatum like I know it's hard

1390
01:24:10,209 --> 01:24:12,289
to get pies out unless it's the

1391
01:24:12,289 --> 01:24:14,289
weekend he doesn't come out on weekdays

1392
01:24:14,289 --> 01:24:15,409
he's got

1393
01:24:15,409 --> 01:24:18,249
if you wrap up pies and his

1394
01:24:18,249 --> 01:24:19,809
goons on a Saturday though

1395
01:24:19,809 --> 01:24:21,169
watch out yeah

1396
01:24:21,169 --> 01:24:28,709
you're gonna be knocked into next thursday buddy let me tell you gonna be missing out on your 40

1397
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:35,709
hpw while you're fucking in a coma all right next up pi is another hundred i think i got the street

1398
01:24:35,709 --> 01:24:42,009
credit to come back to 40 hours a week but without the hashtag anymore lol i'm too og for that shit

1399
01:24:42,009 --> 01:24:49,969
pi's the og of 40 hpw haha and he's got that crazy emoji with the tongue sticking out amazing

1400
01:24:49,969 --> 01:24:57,409
pies again hundred sats fuck anyone who isn't down with the bugle boys if i ever meet someone

1401
01:24:57,409 --> 01:25:02,289
in person who blocks the beautiful they might get the five dollar wrench attack

1402
01:25:02,289 --> 01:25:09,409
rolling laughing emoji real talk though crazy eyes emoji real talk though pies i love it

1403
01:25:09,409 --> 01:25:17,549
another hundred sats from pies fuck vegas another hundred sats from pies i'm also retarded i feel

1404
01:25:17,549 --> 01:25:19,309
a lot better about my retardation

1405
01:25:19,309 --> 01:25:21,869
after hearing about Tatum's retardation.

1406
01:25:22,809 --> 01:25:23,529
Rolling laugh

1407
01:25:23,529 --> 01:25:24,849
and emoji. True.

1408
01:25:25,389 --> 01:25:27,089
True. That's the great thing about

1409
01:25:27,089 --> 01:25:28,229
Tatum.

1410
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:31,629
He's honest.

1411
01:25:31,869 --> 01:25:32,849
You know, he's

1412
01:25:32,849 --> 01:25:35,789
he will make you feel a little bit better about yourself

1413
01:25:35,789 --> 01:25:36,549
with his

1414
01:25:36,549 --> 01:25:39,589
quandaries and positions, but

1415
01:25:39,589 --> 01:25:42,049
still love him. Still love him.

1416
01:25:42,189 --> 01:25:43,609
But you'll still get a better

1417
01:25:43,609 --> 01:25:45,789
fucking podcast guest list than you, so

1418
01:25:45,789 --> 01:25:47,809
hate him or love him

1419
01:25:47,809 --> 01:25:49,749
yeah that's for sure

1420
01:25:49,749 --> 01:25:51,929
that's for sure although Pies

1421
01:25:51,929 --> 01:25:53,789
god damn it please zap this podcast

1422
01:25:53,789 --> 01:25:55,209
say some funny shit this is great

1423
01:25:55,209 --> 01:25:57,949
and then Pies with another hundred

1424
01:25:57,949 --> 01:25:58,989
he's got the

1425
01:25:58,989 --> 01:26:02,189
the beers being cheered

1426
01:26:02,189 --> 01:26:03,529
emoji that's a good one

1427
01:26:03,529 --> 01:26:06,149
that's a good one I should have cracked a beer

1428
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:07,469
for this pod maybe next one

1429
01:26:07,469 --> 01:26:09,629
is that the end of them

1430
01:26:09,629 --> 01:26:10,989
that's the end of Pies

1431
01:26:10,989 --> 01:26:14,189
Pies salute you bro hopefully I can meet you

1432
01:26:14,189 --> 01:26:15,729
one day in person

1433
01:26:15,729 --> 01:26:23,189
fantastic pioneer so how how the fuck do i become the node routing these transactions for pies

1434
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:27,689
so i can get all these routing fees from all these transactions oh you gotta get in the middle

1435
01:26:27,689 --> 01:26:31,809
you gotta figure out okay where are you guys hosting your node and then you gotta figure

1436
01:26:31,809 --> 01:26:36,329
out where fucking pies wallet is and you gotta become the middle man lower your fees

1437
01:26:36,329 --> 01:26:44,149
so you're the most competitive and then bam so you're not let jb morgan get pies this fucking

1438
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:50,209
business that's for sure oh realistically realistically what i would have to do is like

1439
01:26:50,209 --> 01:26:56,849
get a channel open with zebedee which would probably be ginormous probably have to raise

1440
01:26:56,849 --> 01:27:04,549
money on geyser to open a channel with zebedee and then open a channel with pies i feel like

1441
01:27:04,549 --> 01:27:09,249
the channel size i could open with pies could be like 10 000 sats you know what i mean it doesn't

1442
01:27:09,249 --> 01:27:13,709
have to be like a very big channel with all these small transactions i just have to balance it

1443
01:27:13,709 --> 01:27:14,189
frequently.

1444
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:15,189
Yeah.

1445
01:27:15,869 --> 01:27:17,169
Just to keep them rolling.

1446
01:27:18,569 --> 01:27:18,889
Oh,

1447
01:27:18,889 --> 01:27:20,129
no,

1448
01:27:22,389 --> 01:27:23,089
there's one more.

1449
01:27:23,509 --> 01:27:24,389
There's one last.

1450
01:27:25,869 --> 01:27:26,449
Noster gang,

1451
01:27:26,549 --> 01:27:27,269
a hundred cents,

1452
01:27:27,549 --> 01:27:29,609
a kissy and face emoji.

1453
01:27:29,949 --> 01:27:30,249
Oh,

1454
01:27:30,569 --> 01:27:32,549
maybe Tatum's got an admirer.

1455
01:27:32,949 --> 01:27:33,789
Maybe that's what that means.

1456
01:27:34,269 --> 01:27:34,889
There we go.

1457
01:27:36,089 --> 01:27:37,229
That's how it starts.

1458
01:27:38,729 --> 01:27:39,789
We met him.

1459
01:27:39,969 --> 01:27:43,689
We met in the zap comments on his podcast with the bugle.

1460
01:27:43,709 --> 01:27:47,689
Tatum said that he would love to find a girlfriend on Noster.

1461
01:27:48,509 --> 01:27:50,569
I think there's probably some pretty hot chicks on Noster.

1462
01:27:53,509 --> 01:27:56,969
Tatum, it'd be great like how I met your mother's story.

1463
01:27:59,849 --> 01:28:00,969
Met on Noster.

1464
01:28:00,969 --> 01:28:04,609
So, a question for you, Evan.

1465
01:28:04,609 --> 01:28:07,709
are you at the age

1466
01:28:07,709 --> 01:28:09,609
where you think

1467
01:28:09,609 --> 01:28:11,789
it's acceptable to be

1468
01:28:11,789 --> 01:28:12,909
referred to as Mr.

1469
01:28:13,469 --> 01:28:15,349
yet have you hit that milestone

1470
01:28:15,349 --> 01:28:17,749
in your life where you're Mr.

1471
01:28:17,749 --> 01:28:18,329
Kalupas

1472
01:28:18,329 --> 01:28:21,749
yeah it's like just about there

1473
01:28:21,749 --> 01:28:22,669
where I'm like okay

1474
01:28:22,669 --> 01:28:25,809
you know I'm not gonna go and correct like the

1475
01:28:25,809 --> 01:28:27,849
fucking 16 year old

1476
01:28:27,849 --> 01:28:29,169
zit covered cashier

1477
01:28:29,169 --> 01:28:31,349
and be like no

1478
01:28:31,349 --> 01:28:33,149
call me bro

1479
01:28:33,149 --> 01:28:40,909
you know like i can't do that call me cypher pump call me a call me a pioneer dude do i look like a

1480
01:28:40,909 --> 01:28:48,049
sarah to you um yeah i don't know it's i sort of just got accepted i'm getting like the the grays

1481
01:28:48,049 --> 01:28:55,429
in my hair like a lot the last year or two um i'm a dad now too like i'm basically there like i can't

1482
01:28:55,429 --> 01:29:01,309
fight against it you know i'll try to still i'm not gonna like change my my whole style like i'll

1483
01:29:01,309 --> 01:29:06,249
still like be like a little kid and wear like soccer jerseys and stuff like that like stuff i

1484
01:29:06,249 --> 01:29:14,729
still like i won't like man maybe i'll ease out of it but it's not like a oh okay now i'm a grown

1485
01:29:14,729 --> 01:29:22,669
man sort of thing right now you know have you ever met rob warren rob warren is that the politician

1486
01:29:22,669 --> 01:29:30,769
no who's rob born he used to work for riot he does like a lot of like think boy stuff on twitter

1487
01:29:30,769 --> 01:29:38,029
bikes and bitcoin or whatever yeah used to work for upstream data mining guy it was a good ponytail

1488
01:29:38,029 --> 01:29:47,649
yeah i don't know too many thinky boy ponytail guys but yeah what about him you should meet him

1489
01:29:47,649 --> 01:29:52,289
someday because i think he could be a good mentor for you and like the the dad clothing attire

1490
01:29:52,289 --> 01:30:00,669
you see you see rob warren you see you see him with his ponytail up he's got

1491
01:30:00,669 --> 01:30:08,949
like a he's going to nashville he's got an old off-colored uh like polo shirt he's got it tucked

1492
01:30:08,949 --> 01:30:16,969
into his like they're not like fully bleached but like somewhat bleached dad jeans they're a

1493
01:30:16,969 --> 01:30:23,329
little bit baggier and he's got his new balances on his white new balances you like that guy will

1494
01:30:23,329 --> 01:30:27,349
he rock a fanny pack i think yeah he would totally rock a fan i think he does

1495
01:30:27,349 --> 01:30:33,549
that's pretty good i got one that's like loaded with bitcoin pins over there

1496
01:30:33,549 --> 01:30:39,469
i don't know where it is but yeah i usually have some good goodies in there

1497
01:30:39,469 --> 01:30:47,569
yeah i think that's uh it's an important uh aspect of men i think it's important for us to

1498
01:30:47,569 --> 01:30:54,909
to be to demand to be called mister as grown men uh the broccoli haircuts need to be put in their

1499
01:30:54,909 --> 01:31:01,529
fucking place they need to know listen if they're like rude to me and be like bro like you know the

1500
01:31:01,529 --> 01:31:07,189
the other way around if you're not being professional and you're not getting shit done

1501
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:12,289
then yeah like sometimes you'll have to call out a little shit especially if they're

1502
01:31:12,289 --> 01:31:17,469
broccoli hair cut it up and along on top with a fade

1503
01:31:17,469 --> 01:31:25,649
i i i would narrow it down further richard i would node runners deserve to be called mister

1504
01:31:25,649 --> 01:31:30,209
but do they have to be economic node runners

1505
01:31:32,409 --> 01:31:37,069
yeah i mean do you got deserve to be called mister if you just spin up a fucking node to

1506
01:31:37,069 --> 01:31:44,929
pump a pie chart of if your wife knows the economic note of the household yeah like seriously who's

1507
01:31:44,929 --> 01:31:51,109
wearing the pants who's who's validating the transactions in the house or if your uncle jim

1508
01:31:51,109 --> 01:31:58,349
in off of somebody else's uh bitcoin if your uncle jim in off of matt odell's bitcoin node

1509
01:31:58,349 --> 01:32:04,449
do you deserve to be called mister right and that's the sort of kyc information hr should be

1510
01:32:04,449 --> 01:32:11,169
collecting so that they know you know people's titles how to address them like but that's not

1511
01:32:11,169 --> 01:32:22,929
what they're interested in that's right all right so evan wrap it up you got you got anything else

1512
01:32:22,929 --> 01:32:28,349
you want to talk about anything that's on your heart that you've never shared before on a previous

1513
01:32:28,349 --> 01:32:30,189
Bitcoin podcast?

1514
01:32:31,389 --> 01:32:33,089
Wow, that's a great question.

1515
01:32:36,449 --> 01:32:42,089
You know, I feel like, I mean, I've told Rod this one, but if someone wants...

1516
01:32:42,044 --> 01:32:51,924
wants a good laugh and they want to see me as an extra in a comedy skit go look up stavros halkias

1517
01:32:51,924 --> 01:33:01,184
bad life decisions with evan williams and i was an extra for this skit in this greek restaurant

1518
01:33:01,184 --> 01:33:07,804
in astoria and it is really funny the skit i'm just really glad to be like in the background and

1519
01:33:07,804 --> 01:33:09,844
the final shot. I think

1520
01:33:09,844 --> 01:33:11,884
my beard is much thinner

1521
01:33:11,884 --> 01:33:13,424
and my hair is much shorter.

1522
01:33:15,224 --> 01:33:15,624
But yeah,

1523
01:33:15,724 --> 01:33:17,224
I have some really funny

1524
01:33:17,224 --> 01:33:19,244
reaction shot at the end of that.

1525
01:33:19,864 --> 01:33:21,884
Go check it out. I never shared it

1526
01:33:21,884 --> 01:33:23,484
because when I did, I was working at some

1527
01:33:23,484 --> 01:33:25,744
corporate gig doing cyber

1528
01:33:25,744 --> 01:33:27,904
security. But yeah, I figured

1529
01:33:27,904 --> 01:33:29,884
Bugle is a great place to share it.

1530
01:33:29,884 --> 01:33:31,924
Go check it out. I've only told a few people about it.

1531
01:33:32,524 --> 01:33:33,944
Stavros Halkis, hilarious

1532
01:33:33,944 --> 01:33:35,964
comedian. I from Tires,

1533
01:33:35,964 --> 01:33:41,264
the general manager dave who gets you know i don't want to spoil it but from tires i mean

1534
01:33:41,264 --> 01:33:48,904
he's coming up yeah yeah he's great he's gonna be uh all over the place soon uh yeah they got big

1535
01:33:48,904 --> 01:33:55,244
on this punk podcast called come town it's all about being gay with your dad hilarious content

1536
01:33:55,244 --> 01:34:02,904
marketed when laws come down you talk to me all the time yeah yeah so yeah that that's a good

1537
01:34:02,904 --> 01:34:05,784
I definitely haven't shared that on any Bitcoin podcast.

1538
01:34:06,044 --> 01:34:06,664
So there you go.

1539
01:34:08,004 --> 01:34:12,664
But yeah, wrapping up, download Zeus, run your own node, validate your own transactions.

1540
01:34:12,664 --> 01:34:16,844
Don't just spin up nodes for them to fucking fill up a number on a pie chart.

1541
01:34:18,644 --> 01:34:20,484
Take control of your own keys.

1542
01:34:21,404 --> 01:34:28,684
Aim to use Lightning and Bitcoin self-custodially and fucking build out a circular economy on board merchants.

1543
01:34:29,904 --> 01:34:30,984
And start locally.

1544
01:34:30,984 --> 01:34:36,824
start with your local meetup and start onboarding local merchants and try to get it going there.

1545
01:34:36,904 --> 01:34:38,264
That's where you have the most immediate impact.

1546
01:34:39,504 --> 01:34:40,624
I think that's about it, boys.

1547
01:34:41,764 --> 01:34:44,444
That sounds like how you would end every other Bitcoin podcast.

1548
01:34:46,004 --> 01:34:53,044
How would you handle, yeah, how would you tell people to handle the pressure of trying to onboard merchants

1549
01:34:53,044 --> 01:34:58,004
by showing them a Bitcoin wallet and trying to use the Senate transaction?

1550
01:34:58,004 --> 01:35:01,744
So if they're trying to onboard immersion, they should use, what should they use?

1551
01:35:02,424 --> 01:35:12,933
The wallet that can handle the pressure Zeus wallet Zeus wallet If you trying to orange spill somebody you need the wallet that can handle the pressure because the developer behind it can handle the pressure

1552
01:35:13,813 --> 01:35:14,153
The wallet?

1553
01:35:14,773 --> 01:35:15,353
The wallet.

1554
01:35:16,353 --> 01:35:18,913
I mean, listen, that's the whole goal of the wallet.

1555
01:35:18,993 --> 01:35:20,573
We want to make you feel like a god.

1556
01:35:20,653 --> 01:35:23,353
We want to make the merchants look like gods.

1557
01:35:23,853 --> 01:35:26,773
You've got to have that godlike handling of the pressure.

1558
01:35:26,773 --> 01:35:31,333
And you need that distraction in case things go wrong with those beautiful, beautiful graphics.

1559
01:35:31,333 --> 01:35:32,133
and we got you covered.

1560
01:35:32,193 --> 01:35:34,073
The only wallet that got you covered in that regard,

1561
01:35:34,693 --> 01:35:35,833
Zeus Wallet.

1562
01:35:37,813 --> 01:35:41,573
The CEO of the company is in the same wallet

1563
01:35:41,573 --> 01:35:42,913
to orange pill people as you.

1564
01:35:43,733 --> 01:35:44,173
Exactly.

1565
01:35:44,173 --> 01:35:44,633
Value for value.

1566
01:35:45,133 --> 01:35:46,213
Exactly, exactly.

1567
01:35:46,793 --> 01:35:50,233
And yeah, we're just a small team

1568
01:35:50,233 --> 01:35:53,593
just trying to make it work one day at a time

1569
01:35:53,593 --> 01:35:56,433
and we're just going to keep on keeping on.

1570
01:35:57,493 --> 01:36:01,033
Fuck KYC, fuck paper Bitcoin unless it's cashew

1571
01:36:01,033 --> 01:36:02,433
which is also KYC.

1572
01:36:03,973 --> 01:36:05,453
And yeah, and fuck HR.

1573
01:36:05,873 --> 01:36:07,233
Zeus doesn't have an HR department,

1574
01:36:07,393 --> 01:36:08,873
so that's just working in our favor too.

1575
01:36:09,653 --> 01:36:10,993
That's such a good selling point.

1576
01:36:12,193 --> 01:36:13,093
I'm looking at the wallet.

1577
01:36:13,833 --> 01:36:14,213
Seriously.

1578
01:36:14,553 --> 01:36:16,213
Do you have an employee handbook?

1579
01:36:17,373 --> 01:36:18,253
No, no.

1580
01:36:18,393 --> 01:36:20,513
I fucking tell my employees as I go,

1581
01:36:20,513 --> 01:36:22,393
like, dude, don't do that.

1582
01:36:22,453 --> 01:36:23,633
Or, oh yeah, that's good.

1583
01:36:24,893 --> 01:36:27,753
Just really rare so far

1584
01:36:27,753 --> 01:36:30,173
having issues with employees like that.

1585
01:36:30,173 --> 01:36:36,973
hopefully i could exit before the time zeus needs hr hopefully it never really does but

1586
01:36:36,973 --> 01:36:45,193
we'll see what happens one day at a time how many how many rounds of funding from uh 1031 do you need

1587
01:36:45,193 --> 01:36:50,373
in order to be able where you're like expected to have an hr department

1588
01:36:50,373 --> 01:36:57,193
shit i really don't know i really don't know and i don't know the way things are going like

1589
01:36:57,193 --> 01:37:03,913
hopefully we don't need to do funding i mean it's sort of working right now

1590
01:37:03,913 --> 01:37:07,453
i mean obviously it's tough because we're trying to grow too

1591
01:37:07,453 --> 01:37:12,673
but dude i mean yeah after you do two rounds once you get to series a i guess you gotta

1592
01:37:12,673 --> 01:37:17,813
fucking do it and we we have we haven't even done our seed around we just did a little uh

1593
01:37:17,813 --> 01:37:24,833
incubator around with our boys at wolf so yeah you're nowhere close to becoming uh a registry

1594
01:37:24,833 --> 01:37:25,953
paper Bitcoin company.

1595
01:37:26,693 --> 01:37:41,842
No no Although I am trying to get Walker from the Titcoin podcast to get me on his board if he does do his own paper Bitcoin company I mean if not the board I be the IT guy I run the lightning node which won be running knots unfortunately

1596
01:37:41,842 --> 01:37:42,762
So don't kill me.

1597
01:37:45,242 --> 01:37:51,282
Well, very cool, Evan. Really thank you for coming on the show. I thought this was a great conversation.

1598
01:37:51,282 --> 01:37:54,682
I think people are going to walk away from this feeling like they've learned a lot.

1599
01:37:55,602 --> 01:38:03,162
And it was a good use of everybody's, you know, part of their 40 hours this week.

1600
01:38:03,442 --> 01:38:05,282
So I really appreciate it.

1601
01:38:05,402 --> 01:38:06,222
Cheers, boys.

1602
01:38:07,082 --> 01:38:08,362
Fantastic, as always.

1603
01:38:09,362 --> 01:38:11,302
I'm going to run it back one more time.

1604
01:38:11,342 --> 01:38:15,062
I'm going to listen to it probably at 1x speed because I'm not a degenerate.

1605
01:38:15,722 --> 01:38:18,702
And, you know, it'll count double towards my hours.

1606
01:38:18,702 --> 01:38:19,422
It's going to be great.

1607
01:38:21,282 --> 01:38:22,702
Maybe I'll even zap you guys.

1608
01:38:23,522 --> 01:38:24,242
Give you a little boost.

1609
01:38:25,362 --> 01:38:25,982
That'd be cool.

1610
01:38:27,022 --> 01:38:28,002
Thank you again.

1611
01:38:28,642 --> 01:38:33,042
And we'll catch everybody on the next episode of Behind the Podcast.

1612
01:38:41,042 --> 01:38:45,902
I met you on the NASDAQ in late July.

1613
01:38:46,342 --> 01:38:49,742
Your wallet said you held a little blue sky.

1614
01:38:49,742 --> 01:38:53,682
You said it's Bitcoin, baby, pure and true

1615
01:38:53,682 --> 01:38:57,522
But your sats were sitting in a truss or two

1616
01:38:57,522 --> 01:39:01,082
You whispered dreams of sequit romance

1617
01:39:01,082 --> 01:39:05,062
But your private keys were held at Coinbase by chance

1618
01:39:05,062 --> 01:39:09,322
And I believed each line, your sweet, sweet fate

1619
01:39:09,322 --> 01:39:13,582
Till I saw your love was just a rap mistake

1620
01:39:13,582 --> 01:39:20,302
Don't re-hide, father, cake my heart

1621
01:39:20,302 --> 01:39:28,202
Don't pledge it twice, then break it apart

1622
01:39:28,202 --> 01:39:34,782
One claim, one coin, that's how love should start

1623
01:39:34,782 --> 01:39:38,662
But you loan it out and triplify how it's missing from the chart

1624
01:39:38,662 --> 01:39:43,662
So please don't rehide, Father, keep my heart.

1625
01:39:46,502 --> 01:39:50,422
You said it's back one to one, no stress.

1626
01:39:50,422 --> 01:40:01,891
But your ledger looks like Celsius In a dress there 10 of me in line for that same set And they all in love with an NFT or futures contract

1627
01:40:02,191 --> 01:40:05,811
I gave you cold storage, gave you my trust.

1628
01:40:06,031 --> 01:40:09,691
You gave me IOUs and called it lust.

1629
01:40:09,911 --> 01:40:13,651
Your love's like Tether's stable till it ain't.

1630
01:40:13,651 --> 01:40:18,991
Now my emotions trade with leverage I just can't sustain.

1631
01:40:18,991 --> 01:40:24,791
Don't re-hypocate my heart

1632
01:40:24,791 --> 01:40:29,031
Don't use it as collateral

1633
01:40:29,031 --> 01:40:32,531
For a fresh new start

1634
01:40:32,531 --> 01:40:39,191
It's not a yield farm, it's a work of art

1635
01:40:39,191 --> 01:40:43,071
But you've wrapped it, swapped it, stayed the parts

1636
01:40:43,071 --> 01:40:48,271
Then fractioned it like postmodern charts

1637
01:40:48,271 --> 01:40:55,891
Please don't re-hypothicate my heart

1638
01:40:55,891 --> 01:41:06,631
And when the big crash comes, when margin calls

1639
01:41:06,631 --> 01:41:10,511
When BlockFi burns and Mt. Gox folds

1640
01:41:10,511 --> 01:41:14,331
Will you remember that one true claim

1641
01:41:14,331 --> 01:41:19,611
Or sell me short again in someone else's name

1642
01:41:19,611 --> 01:41:25,131
Don't re-hypothicate my heart

1643
01:41:25,131 --> 01:41:32,831
I'm not a token, you can just restart

1644
01:41:32,831 --> 01:41:39,591
I need the real thing, not paper spark

1645
01:41:39,591 --> 01:41:43,531
So if you're holding me, then hold me tight

1646
01:41:43,531 --> 01:41:48,471
Don't let me out overnight

1647
01:41:48,471 --> 01:41:56,431
No, please don't re-hypublicate my heart

1648
01:42:13,531 --> 01:42:43,511
Thank you.