1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,120 Hey, what's up, everybody? Happy Friday. My name is Isaiah Austin. I am the admin of the Bitcoin Conference X Handle. 2 00:00:06,460 --> 00:00:12,180 We're so happy to have you join us today. We're 31 days out, exactly a month from Bitcoin 2026. 3 00:00:12,660 --> 00:00:18,020 And we have reached the conclusion of Maxi Madness. So today there's a lot of stuff to celebrate. 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,680 I'm here with Dennis from BMAG. Dennis, how are you doing today? 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:33,180 wow uh i'm really good um uh this is this is very exciting uh frantically uh sending messages to a 6 00:00:33,180 --> 00:00:38,940 couple other people i would love to see in this uh but glad to see rod and uh richard and the 7 00:00:38,940 --> 00:00:50,020 the bugle guys here yeah it's it's been a great a great tournament this year probably the best ever 8 00:00:50,020 --> 00:00:52,000 and you know 9 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,460 shout out to the dog army 10 00:00:54,460 --> 00:00:56,300 I see some of them out in the crowd 11 00:00:56,300 --> 00:00:58,100 right now because they 12 00:00:58,100 --> 00:00:59,780 showed up big time 13 00:00:59,780 --> 00:01:02,300 for Casey and Aaron and they made it 14 00:01:02,300 --> 00:01:03,460 possible for them to win 15 00:01:03,460 --> 00:01:06,420 you can't go very far in Maxie 16 00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:08,240 Madness without the fans 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,940 without your followers without 18 00:01:09,940 --> 00:01:12,380 the people who made you 19 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:14,100 the Maxie influencer 20 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:16,340 that you are so shout out to 21 00:01:16,340 --> 00:01:18,000 those guys shout out to everybody who 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,420 participated this year 23 00:01:19,420 --> 00:01:30,140 yeah honestly a lot of shining moments and uh really really i mean look to go far we can talk 24 00:01:30,140 --> 00:01:37,320 i know i know this is gonna get into the uh history of maxi madness and just like everything 25 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:47,200 that goes on year to year here but um to go far you need you need a cult or you need actual 26 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:55,700 followers or you need bots uh and uh um really we could dive into the intersection of those 27 00:01:55,700 --> 00:02:02,620 is there a difference in some of those cases um yeah i very very uh interesting dynamics this year 28 00:02:02,620 --> 00:02:10,180 um maybe less botting than previous years but uh we can chat about that uh or or is that taboo i 29 00:02:10,180 --> 00:02:19,740 don't know if that's a taboo well the the ballot is c it's a secret ballot so the idea that bots 30 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:26,860 are voting in nazi madness is pure speculation there's a podconf tried to prove this last year 31 00:02:26,860 --> 00:02:33,820 but they were unable to get very far uh because elon keeps the the api everything secret richard 32 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:40,520 um if you want to elaborate here yeah um good to be on here uh 33 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,160 i've been trying to differentiate the difference between a pleb and a bot 34 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:52,940 this is like one of the the journalistic missions i've been on and i i don't think there 35 00:02:52,940 --> 00:02:59,560 is a clear difference because they they both operate the same way right like the the pleb 36 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,580 gets their programming, 37 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,260 their prompting from an influencer 38 00:03:05,260 --> 00:03:09,680 and their behavior is dependent on said influencer. 39 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:15,960 So many plebs will go listen to their favorite podcaster. 40 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,320 It informs them how to behave, 41 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,360 whereas a bot gets their programming from an individual 42 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,400 just via computer code. 43 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,260 So I think they're very, very similar. 44 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:34,220 um and uh well you know if we've learned anything from brad mills very public journey with his 45 00:03:34,220 --> 00:03:42,540 quad bot both labs and clod bots are very very hard to train they're very uh non-compliant very 46 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:49,820 ungovernable they kind of just go and go rogue yeah so so the plab is actually probably more 47 00:03:49,820 --> 00:03:58,340 programmatically likely to follow directions than a bot at this point um but yeah i mean you know 48 00:03:58,340 --> 00:04:06,100 these types of conversations oftentimes are used to try and discredit our democracy and uh i don't 49 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:12,900 always think are fair you know that the winners have put the work in they deserve it they've 50 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:20,400 organized their voting base uh however it might be and um you know this year was unique in the 51 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:27,020 sense that a podcast won the whole tournament i would say you know you had the co-hosts 52 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:33,960 uh facing off against each other in the final so it wasn't as clear uh as there being a winner 53 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:42,420 and a loser i feel like a podcast won for the first time in maxi madness history and uh that was uh 54 00:04:42,420 --> 00:04:43,300 exciting 55 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:48,500 now I do see Erin in the 56 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:49,640 audience here 57 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,620 she needs to be 58 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:54,280 her own voice in this case 59 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:55,820 the 60 00:04:55,820 --> 00:04:58,220 Hell Money podcast 61 00:04:58,220 --> 00:05:00,540 is 62 00:05:00,540 --> 00:05:01,760 oh I mean 63 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,140 it is a fantastic podcast 64 00:05:04,140 --> 00:05:05,200 I recommend it 65 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,080 obviously Casey being in the finals 66 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:08,420 against 67 00:05:08,420 --> 00:05:11,620 is quite silly 68 00:05:11,620 --> 00:05:20,500 um yeah has walker ever gone up against his own r.i.p denim did we lose denim or did i lose everyone 69 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:29,420 no we lost denim yeah well r.i.p denim i can take it i i can take the hell money podcast praise from 70 00:05:29,420 --> 00:05:34,040 here i could tell he was starting to route it to praise someone else or to talk about someone else 71 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:39,320 which i just think is wildly inappropriate in a time like this when uh how many podcast has 72 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:45,860 has clearly the champion yeah exactly exactly i mean walker was out i think in round one 73 00:05:45,860 --> 00:05:51,380 or something so you know really not the time to be uh to be talking about lesser uh bitcoin 74 00:05:51,380 --> 00:05:58,780 podcasts but um yeah i actually kind of wanted to say something about the the bot thread um 75 00:05:58,780 --> 00:06:03,980 i oh jesus this is probably going to be a totally different like there's going to be 76 00:06:03,980 --> 00:06:10,960 no Venn diagram intersection in a reference I'm about to make but um over the last week there has 77 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:21,060 been up about Chapel Rhone who uh her security guard apparently told a child that came up to 78 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:27,220 get her autograph uh like to back off basically like the security guard basically like squared up 79 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:32,420 against the child the child cried and then it turned out that the child had famous parents who 80 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:38,040 then went and posted about how Chapel Roan had done this and what an evil menace Chapel Roan was 81 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,940 for it. And this was kind of this whole big moment that's happened over the last week. And just today, 82 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:49,020 Chapel Roan, I mean, it's presumed that it's Chapel Roan's team because someone had to have paid 83 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:54,480 this research group. But basically, this research group came out with this report that says, 84 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:00,640 oh, you know, about 20 to 30 percent of all of the discourse surrounding this Chapel Roan stuff 85 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:06,400 were bots that were activated against Chapel Rhone. And so this report was basically trying 86 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,480 to reframe the narrative as, oh, it's just bots that have been saying this against Chapel Rhone. 87 00:07:11,660 --> 00:07:17,980 It's not genuine engagement that is actually angry at her for this situation. And I just thought that 88 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:24,540 was interesting to see because that same research group did the same thing for Taylor Swift during 89 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:32,720 her Justin Baldoni, it ends with us, Colleen Hoover situation with Blake Lively. And so we're 90 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,320 actually starting to see like counter narratives around bots, which I think we also saw in Maxi 91 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,300 Madness, right? Where it's like, I mean, look at the engagement that Casey and I got on every single 92 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:48,520 round of Maxi Madness. Like regardless of if anyone ever botted anything, we dominated. Like 93 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,140 We dominated every single time that we were on. 94 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:56,980 And yet the best that the other side can do is say, well, it wasn't real. 95 00:07:57,060 --> 00:07:57,920 It must have been bots. 96 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,740 And so I think we're just going to see this more and more. 97 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:06,000 The fact that you see that at the level of Chapel Roan or Taylor Swift and equivalent 98 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,940 competitions of equal importance like Maxi Madness, I just think we're getting to a point 99 00:08:11,940 --> 00:08:25,104 where it like people can just write off anything as saying it AI it not real it bots And so yeah I just think we like getting further and further into a situation where like people can just kind of create reality 100 00:08:25,104 --> 00:08:26,624 around whatever they want it to be. 101 00:08:29,364 --> 00:08:33,584 Boy, I didn't know I was going to rage bait you just this soon 102 00:08:33,584 --> 00:08:35,644 in the calls by bringing up bots, Aaron. 103 00:08:36,324 --> 00:08:42,324 Aaron, speak about being runner-up to Casey. 104 00:08:42,324 --> 00:08:45,604 Does this create any uncomfortable dynamics with the two of you? 105 00:08:46,644 --> 00:08:55,604 We're probably going to have a subscriber podcast here soon, yeah? 106 00:08:55,864 --> 00:08:56,624 Or spaces. 107 00:08:56,964 --> 00:08:57,924 Was that this week? 108 00:08:59,804 --> 00:09:03,704 Yeah, we actually have an episode dropping right at the end of this space. 109 00:09:03,904 --> 00:09:09,304 Like the Hell Money episode about the Ordinals BIP rejection will go up at noon, 110 00:09:09,424 --> 00:09:10,964 like in 45 minutes from now. 111 00:09:10,964 --> 00:09:14,444 So you will get to see us in like maximum sadness. 112 00:09:14,824 --> 00:09:16,224 This was pre Maxi Madness. 113 00:09:16,344 --> 00:09:18,804 So like morale was extremely low on that episode. 114 00:09:20,024 --> 00:09:24,564 But yeah, you know, I'm used like Casey has like more than 10 times the amount of followers 115 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:25,124 that I have. 116 00:09:25,204 --> 00:09:28,344 So it's like, what do I think is going to happen? 117 00:09:28,424 --> 00:09:34,624 And then also like when you activate the ordinals DGens, like Casey is the more name recognizable 118 00:09:34,624 --> 00:09:35,184 name. 119 00:09:35,324 --> 00:09:39,164 So I think the thing is like, I know that the real ones voted for me. 120 00:09:39,164 --> 00:09:42,204 And like Casey might have even voted for me, to be honest. 121 00:09:42,484 --> 00:09:46,924 Like, I feel like, you know, I know that I'm the heart and soul of the movement. 122 00:09:47,104 --> 00:09:49,544 I know that anyone who's really in it knows that as well. 123 00:09:49,704 --> 00:09:53,144 So, you know, it's just it's just part of the part of the situation. 124 00:09:53,144 --> 00:09:58,724 And did Casey use Chinese sorcery to activate certain types of DGENs? 125 00:09:58,744 --> 00:10:02,684 It seems like he had an acute awareness of various types of Chinese meme memory. 126 00:10:04,164 --> 00:10:06,064 He is now here. He can speak for himself. 127 00:10:06,064 --> 00:10:09,064 I guess these are like, again, false accusations, perhaps. 128 00:10:09,164 --> 00:10:14,264 I just want to say that this is a huge victory for the downtrodden simps. 129 00:10:14,824 --> 00:10:17,924 We won't let the foids walk all over us. 130 00:10:18,924 --> 00:10:21,244 This is the real message. 131 00:10:21,504 --> 00:10:23,004 The incels are going to rise up. 132 00:10:24,284 --> 00:10:29,284 The trickerous astrology foids don't have power of ours anymore. 133 00:10:29,644 --> 00:10:34,204 Okay, we've discovered Chinese numerology, which gives us our own power. 134 00:10:34,204 --> 00:10:38,904 So I think this is a great victory and a great equalization of the sexes. 135 00:10:39,164 --> 00:10:48,184 I disagree. I think you winning Casey was a major loss for the Sims. We were all looking forward to winners posting nudes. 136 00:10:48,564 --> 00:10:54,244 See, that's the that's the first order effect. But the second order effect is you the Sims need to break free of their chains. 137 00:10:54,244 --> 00:11:00,344 OK, they can't be tackled, just praying out here, begging for a glimpse of the titties. 138 00:11:00,604 --> 00:11:05,284 You know what I mean? They've got to have more self-respect. They've got to be saving their money on OnlyFans. 139 00:11:05,284 --> 00:11:10,884 they've got to be stacking sats so i think that's the real that's the real message it's important 140 00:11:10,884 --> 00:11:15,064 never to glaze the simps if you glaze the sense they just get out of control 141 00:11:15,064 --> 00:11:24,364 casey i don't know if embracing your incel identity is really going to help with your 142 00:11:24,364 --> 00:11:27,884 overall mission of trying to get a girlfriend yeah probably i feel like you were on a better 143 00:11:27,884 --> 00:11:33,244 path yeah this is not this is a i feel like every time we we put ourselves in front of a new audience 144 00:11:33,244 --> 00:11:38,344 it's an opportunity for you to like meet a woman and like this is you've really turned off everyone 145 00:11:38,344 --> 00:11:44,164 all of the like two women that are in the uh what i really meant to say is that i'm a dedicated 146 00:11:44,164 --> 00:11:49,384 feminist and i actually endorsed erin to win she should have win she was really she was really the 147 00:11:49,384 --> 00:11:58,984 uh the power of the campaign uh and it was only due to structural misogyny that she lost uh so 148 00:11:58,984 --> 00:12:03,844 yeah i just wanted to put that out there i would like to see a prediction market on who gets a 149 00:12:03,844 --> 00:12:14,164 girlfriend first casey or uh shinobi well casey is the maxi madness champion so that is going to 150 00:12:14,164 --> 00:12:21,824 be a huge advantage to him shinobi he looks let's let's face it there's a lot of obstacles in the 151 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:28,664 way for shinobi to find a girlfriend maxi madness winning maxi madness would have helped but i still 152 00:12:28,664 --> 00:12:31,284 think there would have been a lot of roadblocks there. 153 00:12:36,224 --> 00:12:42,284 Now, clearly this is going to be an unhinged, no direction type of conversation, but I do 154 00:12:42,284 --> 00:12:48,364 want to kick it to Tommy, who is here from the BMAG handle, who awarded the winner with 155 00:12:48,364 --> 00:12:49,804 a very special present. 156 00:12:50,304 --> 00:12:58,644 Would love for him to hop on and explain himself and perhaps, you know, ceremonially betroth 157 00:12:58,644 --> 00:13:04,544 this to Casey? Sure, yeah. I mean, I'm a little busy ripping packs of Pokemon cards right now, 158 00:13:04,544 --> 00:13:13,484 but I'll try to, you know, do this too. Yeah, I got the call from Rod Palmer to make the trophy 159 00:13:13,484 --> 00:13:22,844 for this year's Maxi Madness, and I did it in the wee hours of the morning last night, and I am very 160 00:13:22,844 --> 00:13:36,244 proud to present a hand-drawn slop, nothing AI, just pen on paper, Pepe for Casey as the trophy. 161 00:13:37,164 --> 00:13:42,144 And it was really handsomely paid for by the Bugle. So thank you. 162 00:13:43,064 --> 00:13:48,524 This is incredible. I wasn't expecting this at all. I think some original Tommy artwork is 163 00:13:48,524 --> 00:13:56,904 absolutely a fitting championship gift or whatever. I will definitely treasure it forever 164 00:13:56,904 --> 00:14:03,264 and have it framed and put it up on my wall. No joke. I can send you the actual paper because it 165 00:14:03,264 --> 00:14:08,544 is real. So let's do that. Let's get it framed. Hell yeah. Yeah. I will send you my address. 166 00:14:09,044 --> 00:14:12,884 Absolutely. Yeah. We should probably hang it somewhere that you can see it in the 167 00:14:12,884 --> 00:14:14,584 like Hell Money episodes. 168 00:14:15,444 --> 00:14:16,704 So we got to figure out 169 00:14:16,704 --> 00:14:17,744 good placement for that. 170 00:14:17,984 --> 00:14:19,524 Because just to remind you, 171 00:14:19,644 --> 00:14:21,564 it is really a Hell Money award. 172 00:14:21,764 --> 00:14:24,744 I'm even featured in the art itself. 173 00:14:25,084 --> 00:14:26,984 So I'm sure Dennis made sure 174 00:14:26,984 --> 00:14:27,984 that that happened, honestly, 175 00:14:28,104 --> 00:14:29,344 because Dennis knows what happens. 176 00:14:29,604 --> 00:14:30,924 I'm like a very sore loser. 177 00:14:31,344 --> 00:14:32,104 So I'm sure Dennis... 178 00:14:32,104 --> 00:14:33,204 No, I promise you Dennis 179 00:14:33,204 --> 00:14:34,524 had nothing to do with this one. 180 00:14:36,704 --> 00:14:38,584 Aaron, speaking of sore losing, 181 00:14:39,004 --> 00:14:40,144 can you speak a little bit 182 00:14:40,144 --> 00:14:46,004 about your ranking and your first round matchup with Ross Ulbricht. 183 00:14:46,104 --> 00:14:50,924 Because I'm looking at, I was reviewing Rob Hamilton's winning bracket, 184 00:14:50,924 --> 00:14:58,044 and I noticed that Frank Corva was up against Lynn Alden in the first bracket. 185 00:14:58,164 --> 00:14:59,444 Again, a very tough draw. 186 00:15:00,724 --> 00:15:02,644 Did you take that personally? 187 00:15:02,844 --> 00:15:04,164 Would you like to speak about that? 188 00:15:04,964 --> 00:15:08,864 And yeah, if I were to do a one shining moment, 189 00:15:08,864 --> 00:15:11,964 I would say that first round victory was a big deal. 190 00:15:12,064 --> 00:15:18,444 And then maybe we can also talk about the Chris Cedar matchup, which also had some shining moments. 191 00:15:18,844 --> 00:15:27,144 Yeah, I was definitely very upset and invigorated by being seated number 15 out of 16 in the hot bracket. 192 00:15:28,884 --> 00:15:34,644 You know, I think it's actually, I mean, clearly it was a fair fight for me to go up against Ross because I beat him. 193 00:15:34,644 --> 00:15:38,724 So it's not that I was necessarily so angry that I was up against Ross. 194 00:15:38,724 --> 00:15:44,124 I think Ross is very good looking. He has really great like bone structure. He kind of consistently 195 00:15:44,124 --> 00:15:52,884 mogs. But to see some of the people that were seated above me in the hop bracket. Yeah, I don't 196 00:15:52,884 --> 00:15:57,044 know how that was chosen, but it wouldn't have been the selection I would have gone with. And I 197 00:15:57,044 --> 00:16:01,744 actually even think maybe the hop bracket in general, like there were lots of people that 198 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:06,984 could have gone in the hop bracket over some of the other competitors. No shade to my no shade to 199 00:16:06,984 --> 00:16:13,844 my bracket. But that was kind of, I think, what activated me initially to get so involved in 200 00:16:13,844 --> 00:16:22,124 Maxi Madness was I realized what a shame it would be if I not only lost to Ross, but proved that my 201 00:16:22,124 --> 00:16:27,204 15 seeding was accurate. That was really what motivated me is I needed to beat Ross. I needed 202 00:16:27,204 --> 00:16:32,004 to show that I shouldn't have been seeded at number 15. And I think I showed that ultimately, 203 00:16:32,004 --> 00:16:44,568 because not only did I dominate the hot bracket but ultimately I dominated PodComp as well which would have been my other one Yeah I Yeah The you not being in the podcasting one I know probably also was a yeah 204 00:16:45,208 --> 00:16:48,488 But I mean, I'm, I'm not upset about being in the hot bracket, 205 00:16:48,608 --> 00:16:51,188 you know what I mean? Like that's fine. That's fine. But, 206 00:16:51,328 --> 00:16:55,968 but it's nice to show to be given the opportunity to show that I can dominate 207 00:16:55,968 --> 00:17:00,908 both arenas. You know, so, so ultimately I think the results speak for themselves, 208 00:17:00,908 --> 00:17:04,008 but yeah, I, I also just kind of want to say like, 209 00:17:04,008 --> 00:17:08,868 this is the first Maxi Madness that Hell Money podcast or Ordinals people have even been on the 210 00:17:08,868 --> 00:17:16,308 board. And so I feel like maybe Casey and I would have won 23, 24, 25 and 26. You know what I mean? 211 00:17:16,368 --> 00:17:22,208 Like, who's to say? So I just think this is the first Maxi Madness that we've given. We've been 212 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:28,088 given the opportunity to to compete and show what we're worth. Well, Bugle may have to defend 213 00:17:28,088 --> 00:17:32,288 themselves here a little bit. But I also think like, look, I have stated that I thought Larry 214 00:17:32,288 --> 00:17:34,148 should have been in the hot bracket. 215 00:17:34,468 --> 00:17:39,188 I mean, he does post a lot of CrossFit pit photos. 216 00:17:39,748 --> 00:17:41,748 And also, is that kind of ageist 217 00:17:41,748 --> 00:17:43,748 to not have him in the hot bracket? 218 00:17:43,748 --> 00:17:45,848 But Bugle can defend themselves 219 00:17:45,848 --> 00:17:49,708 because clearly there's been numerous questions of rankings here. 220 00:17:50,868 --> 00:17:55,468 I want to say that Ordnulz has had representation before. 221 00:17:55,788 --> 00:17:58,668 Udi and Eric have competed in the past 222 00:17:58,668 --> 00:18:00,788 and they performed extremely poorly. 223 00:18:00,788 --> 00:18:08,288 uh i think they're poor representations of the ordinal's ecosystem though yeah i would i mean 224 00:18:08,288 --> 00:18:13,588 i wouldn't really we've not we haven't had either of them on hell money podcast for example like i i 225 00:18:13,588 --> 00:18:18,528 i feel like putting udi and eric in as ordinal's people is kind of just like an ignorant misnomer 226 00:18:18,528 --> 00:18:25,968 no offense um i would say they're they're more like just like anti-maxy people that just sort of 227 00:18:25,968 --> 00:18:32,348 happened to coalesce around ordinals at the time because the maxis were so mad about it. And I guess 228 00:18:32,348 --> 00:18:36,208 because they already had an NFT collection that they were trying to do, which my understanding is 229 00:18:36,208 --> 00:18:41,148 they were going to do that NFT collection, like the Taproot Wizards on Ethereum. And then it just 230 00:18:41,148 --> 00:18:46,328 happened to a line that ordinals came out. And so they ended up making it an inscriptions collection 231 00:18:46,328 --> 00:18:51,468 instead. So yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't put Udi and Eric in with ordinals people. I just think 232 00:18:51,468 --> 00:18:57,728 that's kind of like um yeah it's like i mean this is so like representative of what i think has been 233 00:18:57,728 --> 00:19:02,688 showing in the last week is like the maxis just have no idea what's happening outside of their 234 00:19:02,688 --> 00:19:07,148 bubble like everyone who's not in their bubble they're like they're a shitcoin or ordinal person 235 00:19:07,148 --> 00:19:13,508 and they're all the same and it's like no we have our own ecosystems going on um and some of them 236 00:19:13,508 --> 00:19:17,648 might be even bigger and more dominant as we've seen from me and casey getting to the top two 237 00:19:17,648 --> 00:19:20,608 yeah I think there's a lot of 238 00:19:20,608 --> 00:19:22,588 truth to that and you know 239 00:19:22,588 --> 00:19:24,648 maybe I wouldn't 240 00:19:24,648 --> 00:19:26,428 fade Casey or Aaron 241 00:19:26,428 --> 00:19:28,188 in any Maxi Madness tournament 242 00:19:28,188 --> 00:19:30,688 however last year 243 00:19:30,688 --> 00:19:32,428 Teddy Bitcoins 244 00:19:32,428 --> 00:19:34,868 I don't think anybody 245 00:19:34,868 --> 00:19:36,568 could have beat Teddy Bitcoins 246 00:19:36,568 --> 00:19:38,608 and if you want some 247 00:19:38,608 --> 00:19:40,548 evidence of that just look at the 248 00:19:40,548 --> 00:19:42,468 poll results of the 249 00:19:42,468 --> 00:19:44,748 championship last year when Teddy Bitcoins 250 00:19:44,748 --> 00:19:46,168 faced Michael Saylor 251 00:19:46,168 --> 00:19:57,988 So now going back to what Aaron said about the slot back of the chamber and Maxi's not necessarily having a lot of awareness outside of their bubble. 252 00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:07,828 right last year maxi madness preceded paper bitcoin summer and so the finalists in maxi 253 00:20:07,828 --> 00:20:13,388 madness last year were two paper bitcoin influencers at the very top right at the very 254 00:20:13,388 --> 00:20:18,848 height of the spring entering into the first paper bitcoin summer teddy bitcoins was a big 255 00:20:18,848 --> 00:20:25,508 micro strategy um you know influencer i guess you could say and of course michael saylor was 256 00:20:25,508 --> 00:20:33,248 his opponent in the final. And so once TeddyBitcoins shocked the Maxi Madness fans, dominated, 257 00:20:33,668 --> 00:20:37,768 completely dominated the team. He took out Yellow. He took out Lynn Alden. He took out Adam Back. 258 00:20:37,848 --> 00:20:43,708 And then he took out Saylor in the final. And Saylor was engaging. Saylor sent his simps 259 00:20:43,708 --> 00:20:49,568 to the polls and still lost to TeddyBitcoins. And then we had PaperBitcoin summer. So I think 260 00:20:49,568 --> 00:20:54,628 nobody saw that coming a year ago. And I think, I don't know what's coming this summer. I don't 261 00:20:54,628 --> 00:20:59,708 know if it's the money the the summer of hell money the summer of runes the summer of the dog 262 00:20:59,708 --> 00:21:09,128 army i don't know but i know that paper that maxi madness uh typically is like a a is foreshadowing 263 00:21:09,128 --> 00:21:15,108 a very um right something that's going to be trending big time in the summertime so just 264 00:21:15,108 --> 00:21:20,048 think about that when when when the summer kicks off and and things start to get crazy 265 00:21:20,048 --> 00:21:28,028 that's a really good point i wonder what kind of thing how many podcasts could do that would cause 266 00:21:28,028 --> 00:21:35,748 like a major bullish rise in the summer and then just like a complete nuclear crash in the fall 267 00:21:35,748 --> 00:21:42,288 casey and i will have to think about that um to see what we can figure out yeah the turbo flag 268 00:21:42,288 --> 00:21:47,528 the turbo flag that's a great point actually maybe casey should speak more on the turbo flag 269 00:21:47,528 --> 00:21:51,808 If anybody has ideas for what the turbo flag should do, definitely let me know. 270 00:21:52,088 --> 00:21:52,688 You know what I mean? 271 00:21:52,868 --> 00:21:54,508 I'm all ears over here. 272 00:21:56,768 --> 00:21:59,148 There actually was a beautiful moment of unity. 273 00:21:59,648 --> 00:22:02,628 Yesterday, we ended up going live on the Hell Money account. 274 00:22:03,428 --> 00:22:08,128 In theory, it was like to debate each other, although that wasn't really what actually ended up happening. 275 00:22:08,128 --> 00:22:16,288 But Yellow was in the chat on the stream and Yellow was throwing out ideas for the turbo flag, which I thought was beautiful. 276 00:22:16,288 --> 00:22:24,028 So there definitely has been a little bit of unity, I would say, coming from the traditional maxi side. 277 00:22:25,268 --> 00:22:30,608 So, yeah, maybe we can workshop with yellow and see what a good turbo flag feature would be. 278 00:22:35,468 --> 00:22:38,928 I also see Rob in the audience here. 279 00:22:38,988 --> 00:22:42,688 It would be great to get him up here for him to talk about his winning bracket. 280 00:22:42,688 --> 00:22:49,288 because he picked the best bracket, and tis the season. 281 00:22:50,028 --> 00:22:52,408 But yeah, Casey, again, huge congratulations. 282 00:22:53,948 --> 00:22:58,948 Once again, mogging Aaron is real rough in a public setting like this. 283 00:22:59,028 --> 00:22:59,948 I don't approve of that. 284 00:22:59,948 --> 00:23:00,388 Don't say that. 285 00:23:00,508 --> 00:23:01,768 She's going to beat me in private. 286 00:23:01,968 --> 00:23:02,728 It's going to be bad. 287 00:23:02,928 --> 00:23:04,288 It's going to be real bad, bro. 288 00:23:06,588 --> 00:23:07,268 It's true. 289 00:23:07,368 --> 00:23:07,708 It's true. 290 00:23:07,828 --> 00:23:09,288 Actually, yeah. 291 00:23:09,288 --> 00:23:13,148 I'm not going to get a single worded edgewise on the next podcast. 292 00:23:13,368 --> 00:23:15,968 It's just going to be, uh-huh, yep, yep. 293 00:23:17,288 --> 00:23:20,148 Seeding her so low by the bugle, 294 00:23:20,568 --> 00:23:24,908 they didn't know that Aaron is not going to not try 295 00:23:24,908 --> 00:23:29,068 and also doesn't agree with the idea of just trying to lose. 296 00:23:29,288 --> 00:23:30,628 She's just not going to do that. 297 00:23:30,628 --> 00:23:39,068 So was quite the fury that she unleashed from round to round. 298 00:23:39,068 --> 00:23:41,028 And the Chris Eater round was really entertaining. 299 00:23:41,528 --> 00:23:45,048 And obviously, Yellow is an absolute legend. 300 00:23:45,628 --> 00:23:48,508 And he can speak for himself. 301 00:23:48,628 --> 00:23:49,708 I see that he's here now, so. 302 00:23:52,148 --> 00:23:52,668 What? 303 00:23:57,248 --> 00:23:58,668 What do you want, Denim? 304 00:24:00,988 --> 00:24:06,968 Yellow, how many days in a row did you do Don't Stop Believe in Spaces? 305 00:24:06,968 --> 00:24:14,548 that you cultivated a, you know, calling DSB was like, 306 00:24:15,248 --> 00:24:17,488 for people that weren't there, it was incredible. 307 00:24:17,928 --> 00:24:21,568 Like, I loved those days more than anything. 308 00:24:22,128 --> 00:24:25,948 It was absolutely phenomenal daily humor. 309 00:24:26,948 --> 00:24:31,148 And it was almost like a Sisyphus thing where he had to show up every day. 310 00:24:31,228 --> 00:24:33,428 So you, like, kind of wanted Yellow to be free. 311 00:24:33,868 --> 00:24:36,828 But also the idea that it kept going. 312 00:24:36,968 --> 00:24:44,468 I remember at Bitcoin 2022 in Miami, listening to it, I think the price of Bitcoin was like 313 00:24:44,468 --> 00:24:54,348 $46,000 or maybe it was in the high 40s that had gone down from $69,000. 314 00:24:54,348 --> 00:25:05,332 Then the days just started to go on and on But that was that he had I mean Yellow you have I would consider myself one of them 315 00:25:05,332 --> 00:25:07,052 a dedicated following. 316 00:25:07,832 --> 00:25:09,412 But Casey and Aaron, 317 00:25:09,612 --> 00:25:11,532 they also have a following 318 00:25:11,532 --> 00:25:12,652 and they also have 319 00:25:12,652 --> 00:25:15,492 Chinese followers that were 320 00:25:15,492 --> 00:25:16,832 sleeping sometimes. 321 00:25:18,192 --> 00:25:19,592 How do you 322 00:25:19,592 --> 00:25:21,752 get Chinese? Thank you for your kind words. 323 00:25:21,752 --> 00:25:25,052 it was 1,123 days 324 00:25:25,052 --> 00:25:26,292 consistency 325 00:25:26,292 --> 00:25:27,572 and also 326 00:25:27,572 --> 00:25:28,832 how do I get 327 00:25:28,832 --> 00:25:29,912 Chinese followers? 328 00:25:30,272 --> 00:25:31,072 I'm really interested 329 00:25:31,072 --> 00:25:31,752 about that. 330 00:25:34,212 --> 00:25:35,792 Do I have to like 331 00:25:35,792 --> 00:25:37,412 start tweeting in Chinese 332 00:25:37,412 --> 00:25:38,072 or something? 333 00:25:39,332 --> 00:25:39,812 Yeah, Aaron 334 00:25:39,812 --> 00:25:40,452 how does Yellow 335 00:25:40,452 --> 00:25:41,412 get Chinese followers? 336 00:25:41,972 --> 00:25:42,972 You have to be tweeting 337 00:25:42,972 --> 00:25:43,672 in Chinese 338 00:25:43,672 --> 00:25:45,592 like in Mandarin 339 00:25:45,592 --> 00:25:46,392 specifically. 340 00:25:47,312 --> 00:25:47,912 Honestly 341 00:25:47,912 --> 00:25:49,552 Casey is the best. 342 00:25:49,792 --> 00:25:50,692 He knows all of 343 00:25:50,692 --> 00:25:51,492 the Chinese memes 344 00:25:51,492 --> 00:25:56,492 somehow like the one that he posted with the beaver where he face swapped himself onto the 345 00:25:56,492 --> 00:26:02,152 beaver like that wasn't like he didn't have to like go ask what meme to do like he just knew so 346 00:26:02,152 --> 00:26:07,532 casey's very tapped into uh to chinese culture i would say he has a great appreciation for it 347 00:26:07,532 --> 00:26:13,652 actually yeah you've just got to be a terminally online uh basement dwelling nerd i think that's a 348 00:26:13,652 --> 00:26:19,452 that's a good good first step i just want to jump in for a moment to verify this at bitcoin hong 349 00:26:19,452 --> 00:26:25,092 kong the bitcoin magazine conference in hong kong uh two years ago casey like showed up at an event 350 00:26:25,092 --> 00:26:31,212 and the line of people looking to talk for with him like basically wrapped around the whole talking 351 00:26:31,212 --> 00:26:35,672 area of people like mobbing him like a celebrity he's already plugged in and aaron and i just kind 352 00:26:35,672 --> 00:26:41,432 of sat there and watched him just have like a whole wall of simps just charging casey so he he's 353 00:26:41,432 --> 00:26:48,172 been working on this coalition for years at this point i've taken so many selfies uh all playing 354 00:26:48,172 --> 00:26:53,052 the long game. So many selfies with Chinese fans all playing the long game to win Maxi Madden. 355 00:26:53,172 --> 00:26:59,072 It's all been leading up to this moment. Yeah, I think that trip that Rob's talking about where 356 00:26:59,072 --> 00:27:05,232 Rob and I were just sitting watching Casey take selfies. I swear to God, Casey took 1000 selfies 357 00:27:05,232 --> 00:27:10,692 over the course of three days. It was insane. So if you want to know where those Chinese votes came 358 00:27:10,692 --> 00:27:17,232 for, because I did see, you know, Adam back was really loose and just playing fast and loose with 359 00:27:17,232 --> 00:27:24,332 the accusations of bots? And the answer is just like Europe went to sleep and Asia woke up. Asia 360 00:27:24,332 --> 00:27:31,032 woke up and the Chinese DGENs were activated and they came and they voted. So I feel like, yeah, 361 00:27:31,032 --> 00:27:37,272 those like 1500 or however many votes that came in overnight for Europe and America, that was just 362 00:27:37,272 --> 00:27:43,752 the Chinese mob coming in and supporting. Those were all the people that Casey took selfies with. 363 00:27:43,752 --> 00:27:49,472 I think yellow deserves to be flooded with Chinese beaver. 364 00:27:50,132 --> 00:27:51,672 I think that he would love that. 365 00:27:53,612 --> 00:27:55,512 Was that a sexual induendo? 366 00:27:57,192 --> 00:27:59,172 No, no, it was about followers. 367 00:27:59,492 --> 00:28:00,252 Okay, okay. 368 00:28:04,772 --> 00:28:11,212 Aaron, did you think that the TikTok dance would perform a little bit better 369 00:28:11,212 --> 00:28:15,512 in terms of numbers? That was one question I had. 370 00:28:17,232 --> 00:28:23,732 You know, I kind of knew that once we awoke the sleeping dragon of China, that they weren't going 371 00:28:23,732 --> 00:28:31,692 to be able to be swayed by such tactics. The TikTok dances mostly work for incels in America. 372 00:28:32,012 --> 00:28:36,572 It's kind of just like a different audience, I would say. So the Chinese are going to simp for 373 00:28:36,572 --> 00:28:41,952 Casey. Like I knew that. So I did know that the fact that we had to activate the Chinese in order 374 00:28:41,952 --> 00:28:47,292 to get us into the top two, I figured that that would probably also hurt my chances of winning 375 00:28:47,292 --> 00:28:53,932 overall. I think the biggest disappointment was really that Witter's call to action was not 376 00:28:54,632 --> 00:29:02,752 heated with more seriousness and with more attention. That did boost me a lot in the polls 377 00:29:02,752 --> 00:29:10,172 at the end. But yeah, you know, I think my strategy when I was campaigning against Ross 378 00:29:10,172 --> 00:29:16,752 Ulbricht and Chris Cedar was that Bitcoin maxis aren't gay. And I think that that played out 379 00:29:16,752 --> 00:29:21,712 well there. Unfortunately, once you get into the Ordinals mob, 380 00:29:21,932 --> 00:29:24,632 it seems like many of the Ordinals people might be gay. 381 00:29:28,852 --> 00:29:32,672 Well, you do call it the turbo fact. I don't know why you call that. 382 00:29:32,752 --> 00:29:40,852 that's a good point that's a good point we all know that waiters uh call to action got mr hoddle's 383 00:29:40,852 --> 00:29:53,432 attention yeah widers that was a great attempt uh chris edore though also wore a tube top and uh 384 00:29:53,432 --> 00:29:59,212 looked quite good as well so i i you know my hat's off to him but but still still in the chris 385 00:29:59,212 --> 00:30:03,472 Cedar around, though, you know, that's basically Maxi versus ordinals. You know what I mean? And 386 00:30:03,472 --> 00:30:08,432 so like the ordinals people are going to be loyal to me, even if they might find Chris Cedar to be 387 00:30:08,432 --> 00:30:13,712 more attractive to them personally. But I think once you get ordinals versus ordinals and it's 388 00:30:13,712 --> 00:30:19,092 Casey versus Aaron. Yeah, that's where the sexuality comes out. And so that actually might 389 00:30:19,092 --> 00:30:24,872 be one of the biggest major findings of Maxi madness is where is the gay split within the 390 00:30:24,872 --> 00:30:31,472 kind of greater bitcoin culture well i know yeah there was a lot of there was a lot of accusations 391 00:30:31,472 --> 00:30:39,572 of asian gays too uh for casey but um yeah go go ahead rod i think i was gonna say well 392 00:30:39,572 --> 00:30:45,852 in the sweet 16 round one of the toughest matchups that casey had was against nifty 393 00:30:45,852 --> 00:30:52,112 um she put up a pretty good fight like that was almost as close or maybe as closer than the adam 394 00:30:52,112 --> 00:31:00,292 background um and i think that i think nifty deserves uh you know some some praise and some 395 00:31:00,292 --> 00:31:07,952 glaze for her performance uh she was pretty much out of commission the next day uh with a mind 396 00:31:07,952 --> 00:31:15,292 drain after she left it all on the court i guess she does deserve some glazing because she really 397 00:31:15,292 --> 00:31:19,132 She has a history of cosplay and LARPing. 398 00:31:19,912 --> 00:31:29,772 And, you know, really, like, you know, to battle, like, Casey and Aaron's background in cosplay, like, she really had to dig in deep. 399 00:31:30,032 --> 00:31:31,072 It was, well, I don't know. 400 00:31:31,112 --> 00:31:34,252 Is that like you choosing to play somebody on their own game? 401 00:31:34,352 --> 00:31:37,512 Like, you don't want to run against, like, Arizona this year. 402 00:31:37,632 --> 00:31:38,872 Like, that's a bad idea. 403 00:31:39,152 --> 00:31:41,432 Like, or I don't know who wins. 404 00:31:41,692 --> 00:31:44,832 Maybe you don't want to play Aaron and Casey in a cosplay game. 405 00:31:45,292 --> 00:31:49,292 I want to say something if I may. 406 00:31:49,292 --> 00:31:52,292 Please, yeah, sorry, Yellow. 407 00:31:52,292 --> 00:32:02,292 Once again, congrats to the Ordnance guys, Casey for the Maxi Madness being the winner, 408 00:32:02,292 --> 00:32:06,292 and to Erin for a good fight. 409 00:32:06,292 --> 00:32:14,292 My parents have taught me to extend the hand after the match is done, so I did that. 410 00:32:14,292 --> 00:32:21,152 Other than that, I think Ordnose are kind of stupid, it's not my thing, but you do you, 411 00:32:21,152 --> 00:32:25,892 I won't judge you, you do yourself, whatever you want. 412 00:32:25,892 --> 00:32:33,672 So the Ordnose guys in their game, I guess the new narrative that Yellow was the part 413 00:32:33,672 --> 00:32:39,712 without realizing at the first was, ladies and gentlemen, culture is done, Ordnose culture 414 00:32:39,712 --> 00:32:41,712 is in. 415 00:32:41,712 --> 00:32:47,572 Now, the rest of the guys, they're all my friends on quotes. 416 00:32:48,532 --> 00:32:52,912 And this is going to be the last Maxi Madness I'll take part. 417 00:32:53,912 --> 00:32:55,892 I want to do my thing also. 418 00:32:56,632 --> 00:32:59,812 And I have big plans down the line. 419 00:33:00,752 --> 00:33:03,172 So that's it. 420 00:33:03,712 --> 00:33:07,392 I reject your kind of open-mindedness. 421 00:33:07,952 --> 00:33:09,332 I think it's kind of gay. 422 00:33:09,332 --> 00:33:18,332 and I feel free and okay to my closet absolutism. 423 00:33:19,212 --> 00:33:19,812 So cheers. 424 00:33:20,016 --> 00:33:29,456 yellow is always a gentleman at heart um but uh 425 00:33:29,456 --> 00:33:36,876 aaron aaron and casey also kind of think that ordinals is gay too so i don't know if they're 426 00:33:36,876 --> 00:33:40,996 necessarily i don't know i don't know i think there's really not that much they don't they 427 00:33:40,996 --> 00:33:48,356 don't call it the turbo fag for no reason you know well heartful heartfelt words words from 428 00:33:48,356 --> 00:33:55,536 yellow always speaking from the heart he's he's one of maxi mad he's a maxi madness legend he won 429 00:33:55,536 --> 00:34:05,356 the inaugural championship um it's it's doing that many dsb spaces three maxi madnesses in a row 430 00:34:05,356 --> 00:34:08,536 um it takes a lot it takes a lot out of you 431 00:34:08,536 --> 00:34:16,916 yeah i can see that i mean it's it's hard for me to imagine campaigning like the way that i did this 432 00:34:16,916 --> 00:34:24,076 time again. I really, I really lost a week of like any other productive stuff I could have done 433 00:34:24,076 --> 00:34:29,356 working on this Maxi Madness campaign. But fortunately, it paid off. You know, I think 434 00:34:29,356 --> 00:34:35,696 I do also want to want to just say to the DGens that there's absolutely no way that Casey would 435 00:34:35,696 --> 00:34:41,076 have acknowledged or noticed this competition and then decided to do the turbo flag had it not been 436 00:34:41,076 --> 00:34:42,516 for my obsession. 437 00:34:43,096 --> 00:34:46,556 So, you know, I'm not mad at the DGENs 438 00:34:46,556 --> 00:34:47,816 for not voting for me in the end, 439 00:34:47,896 --> 00:34:50,116 but I do feel like, again, 440 00:34:50,256 --> 00:34:52,916 anyone who knows knows that I was the one 441 00:34:52,916 --> 00:34:54,296 who was running the campaign 442 00:34:54,296 --> 00:34:57,396 and who was bringing in the results 443 00:34:57,396 --> 00:34:59,196 that the voters care about. 444 00:34:59,776 --> 00:35:01,316 So, you know, it's fine. 445 00:35:01,356 --> 00:35:02,696 I'll just do like Hillary Clinton's 446 00:35:02,696 --> 00:35:04,576 secretary of state to Obama thing. 447 00:35:05,016 --> 00:35:08,416 This is sort of the way for women, I suppose. 448 00:35:08,836 --> 00:35:09,316 Yeah. 449 00:35:11,076 --> 00:35:13,756 I should dip. 450 00:35:14,076 --> 00:35:15,496 It's time to go to the gym. 451 00:35:15,856 --> 00:35:26,276 It's time to, you know, Spartan-like, you know, work on my body or whatever after Maxi Madness has challenged my mind. 452 00:35:27,196 --> 00:35:28,096 But thanks. 453 00:35:28,496 --> 00:35:29,536 Thanks, everybody who voted. 454 00:35:30,276 --> 00:35:33,436 And send me your ideas for the turbo flag because God knows I need them. 455 00:35:35,436 --> 00:35:36,496 He really does. 456 00:35:41,076 --> 00:35:55,356 What are you planning to do with the lifetime supply of Soap Miner Tallow Soap that is now coming your way for picking the best or the most accurate bracket from Axie Madness? 457 00:35:58,536 --> 00:36:10,676 I'm honored. I'm flattered. I'm already a regular Soap Miner purchaser. They have great fragrances for men and women. My wife's a big fan of the Earl Grey one. 458 00:36:11,076 --> 00:36:16,016 I use a lot of the Pine Tar one and also their redacted one. 459 00:36:16,936 --> 00:36:18,556 They're great. It's great soap. 460 00:36:19,636 --> 00:36:25,136 I saw Evan Kalupas is also giving me an official Zeus wig and hat. 461 00:36:25,556 --> 00:36:30,516 And Craig at the conference has now told me that I need to wear that when I'm on my panel at the conference. 462 00:36:30,656 --> 00:36:34,896 So I'll be sure to get my shipping details to get those in the mail. 463 00:36:35,716 --> 00:36:39,336 It's funny because I remember right when Maxi Madness was kicking off at the start, 464 00:36:39,336 --> 00:36:43,176 I was on a spaces. I posted my bracket and I was talking with Erin. 465 00:36:43,856 --> 00:36:50,436 And she tutted me properly saying that, how could you think that she wasn't going to go deeper and that she would lose to Ross? 466 00:36:50,796 --> 00:36:54,116 And I totally, totally miscalculated. 467 00:36:54,276 --> 00:37:05,016 I thought the Bitcoin culture on Twitter had just a decades-long Pavlovian response of supporting Ross whenever something's happening on the Internet. 468 00:37:05,416 --> 00:37:08,676 And that did not happen. It did not happen at all. 469 00:37:08,676 --> 00:37:31,076 And then Aaron went on a deep run. I actually found out about the space originally because Chris Cedar said that I needed to come up here and defend his honor. And if he wanted his honor defended, he maybe he should have tried a little bit harder and won the bracket. You know, maybe maybe he could have put in a little bit more effort. You know, like it was it was all over once he started posting photos of him in the tube top with Aaron. 470 00:37:31,076 --> 00:37:33,656 that may or may not have been my idea to start. 471 00:37:34,316 --> 00:37:36,296 That may not have been me nudging him, 472 00:37:36,376 --> 00:37:37,776 telling him that that's what he should have done. 473 00:37:38,436 --> 00:37:42,536 But I also, like, I had a pretty good run. 474 00:37:42,756 --> 00:37:44,236 You know, I got to the Sweet 16. 475 00:37:44,556 --> 00:37:48,176 I lost to, as Casey calls him, Guacamole Zucchini. 476 00:37:48,176 --> 00:37:52,176 But Giacomo unblocked me on Twitter maybe like three months ago, 477 00:37:52,256 --> 00:37:53,636 so I'm eternally grateful already. 478 00:37:55,616 --> 00:37:57,116 I'm pretty proud of my run. 479 00:37:57,376 --> 00:38:00,476 I think it was a good show by everyone. 480 00:38:00,476 --> 00:38:03,216 I see Mars in the audience. 481 00:38:03,396 --> 00:38:05,696 I think Mars should have at least had a play-in round. 482 00:38:06,196 --> 00:38:10,516 I think the biggest upset of the whole thing was Teddy Bitcoin's losing in the play-in round. 483 00:38:10,816 --> 00:38:11,536 That was shocking. 484 00:38:11,716 --> 00:38:13,316 The whole bracket was just wild. 485 00:38:14,396 --> 00:38:16,036 But great performance by everyone. 486 00:38:16,676 --> 00:38:18,296 I'm sorry I doubted you, Aaron. 487 00:38:18,536 --> 00:38:20,156 You crushed it. 488 00:38:20,316 --> 00:38:21,556 You persevered. 489 00:38:21,836 --> 00:38:25,316 And you won all the way to the finals. 490 00:38:25,456 --> 00:38:27,716 So you took out the PodConf region and the Hot region. 491 00:38:27,716 --> 00:38:29,836 Well-deserved and well-earned. 492 00:38:30,476 --> 00:38:45,716 Thank you. Thank you. I will say I also kind of underestimated myself because in my bracket, I had myself beating Ross, but then losing to Isabella. I thought that people were going to take the hot category very seriously. 493 00:38:45,716 --> 00:38:51,716 um so i thought okay i'm obviously a shoo-in against a man but the second that i go up against 494 00:38:51,716 --> 00:38:57,896 a woman um it's kind of over for me unless like i mean in isabella's case like she is 495 00:38:57,896 --> 00:39:04,476 she's she's kind of like exactly what a maxi would want like she's like living on an island 496 00:39:04,476 --> 00:39:11,216 like tax haven situation and talking about like being lonely and wanting wanting people to come 497 00:39:11,216 --> 00:39:16,276 visit her who are into Bitcoin. You know what I mean? Like, I can't compete with that no matter 498 00:39:16,276 --> 00:39:21,956 how many TikTok dances I do. So I really thought Isabella was going to beat Ben. I was shocked when 499 00:39:21,956 --> 00:39:27,696 Ben won against Isabella. And then I figured I'd go out. Justine Harper was sort of like, 500 00:39:27,696 --> 00:39:34,056 that was the first woman that I went against. And I was very scared to go against Justine. 501 00:39:34,956 --> 00:39:39,136 Fortunately, I think at that point, I had built up enough momentum from the really, 502 00:39:39,136 --> 00:39:44,896 really aggressive round with Chris that I was able to kind of like get carried through um just 503 00:39:44,896 --> 00:39:49,236 just on like kind of the uh the hangover from that campaigning strategy from the previous day 504 00:39:49,236 --> 00:39:55,876 and do you think that Isabella fell into that category that maybe is the Adam back category 505 00:39:55,876 --> 00:40:02,436 where they they just didn't try try and then and then yeah for sure for sure if she had posted even 506 00:40:02,436 --> 00:40:06,076 once I think she would have beaten Ben and then she could have probably beaten me too 507 00:40:06,076 --> 00:40:12,436 so what has that done to your psyche like how has it changed to have the free market 508 00:40:12,436 --> 00:40:20,936 choose you to be hotter than uh the titans of hotness like justine and isabella aaron um 509 00:40:20,936 --> 00:40:29,316 i mean i casey casey remarks almost every single day that i am like the least humble person that 510 00:40:29,316 --> 00:40:35,676 he knows i am consistently like tooting my own horn and celebrating my own accomplishments 511 00:40:35,676 --> 00:40:40,676 So honestly, this is just like par for the course for me. 512 00:40:40,676 --> 00:40:43,676 This isn't, you know, but I will say like, 513 00:40:43,676 --> 00:40:46,676 I kind of already knew that I was gonna lose to Casey. 514 00:40:46,676 --> 00:40:59,162 And so I didn like put my self into that Like I know when to kind of like pick I know how to pick and choose like which things to be competitive in So you know 515 00:40:59,262 --> 00:41:04,162 I think it's, it's correct for me to win the hot bracket. That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm 516 00:41:05,062 --> 00:41:09,922 like, visually speaking, the hottest of all the competitors. I think it's a combination of 517 00:41:09,922 --> 00:41:17,882 campaigning and visual appeal. And I know that I have the social politics intelligence to be able to 518 00:41:17,882 --> 00:41:23,582 rally the troops behind me and to create a good social campaign. So I think it's a combination 519 00:41:23,582 --> 00:41:26,902 of looks and personality. And I just happen to be the total package. 520 00:41:28,482 --> 00:41:34,182 Well, I think it also has to do with astrology. I would consider astrology having been on the 521 00:41:34,182 --> 00:41:40,982 ballot and the voters decided astrology is hot yeah i think there's also some people who might 522 00:41:40,982 --> 00:41:47,622 fear me as well um and so they may have voted for me just because they think maybe aaron knows if i 523 00:41:47,622 --> 00:41:51,982 they vote against me you know so they don't they don't want to build up that bad karma against me 524 00:41:52,702 --> 00:42:00,882 you know some do you anticipate seeing more bitcoin astrologers now that one bitcoin 525 00:42:00,882 --> 00:42:06,322 astrologer one like is this rod do you think there'll be more than one bitcoin astrologer 526 00:42:06,322 --> 00:42:13,742 in next year's uh maxi madness and it's it's worth exploring even making that its own region 527 00:42:13,742 --> 00:42:22,402 if it becomes trending enough and popular enough and this is what i think for the first time we 528 00:42:22,402 --> 00:42:30,362 integrated prediction markets and having having astrologers in maxi madness mixed with 529 00:42:30,362 --> 00:42:36,782 prediction markets, that might be a crazy combination because if they can predict the 530 00:42:36,782 --> 00:42:43,882 future, it completely changes the game theory of Maxi Madness. This year was just the first year 531 00:42:43,882 --> 00:42:52,762 that we had it and predicts, told me, that the Maxi Madness markets had surpassed more than 1.2 532 00:42:52,762 --> 00:42:55,622 Bitcoin with almost a full Bitcoin paid to winners. 533 00:43:00,082 --> 00:43:03,622 Rob, how much personally do you take credit for some of that? 534 00:43:04,542 --> 00:43:07,602 And maybe fill people in. 535 00:43:07,782 --> 00:43:11,162 I mean, Zaps weren't able to on Nostra, which is awesome. 536 00:43:11,162 --> 00:43:16,502 But I heard that prediction markets via Nostra was like really popping off. 537 00:43:17,862 --> 00:43:19,722 Oh, it was incredible to watch. 538 00:43:19,722 --> 00:43:28,042 the Noster competition was fierce there was a lot of excitement there were a lot of sats spent 539 00:43:28,042 --> 00:43:38,362 a lot of sats spent we're talking millions of sats and a 16 seed won the tournament 540 00:43:38,362 --> 00:43:43,522 Rev Hoddle absolutely incredible guy I saw him in the space here a little bit earlier but 541 00:43:43,522 --> 00:43:49,622 yeah it was fun to watch it was we didn't know if it was going to work I mean one of the 542 00:43:49,622 --> 00:43:54,342 you know, the problems with Nostar historically is that the UX is kind of, 543 00:43:54,342 --> 00:43:59,682 you know, less than the best. And it, it worked, it worked. 544 00:43:59,962 --> 00:44:03,182 And people are excited about it. People had a ton of fun. 545 00:44:03,442 --> 00:44:05,322 So for those that, for those that don't know, 546 00:44:05,402 --> 00:44:10,722 can you explain that there was like actually a different competition going on, 547 00:44:10,782 --> 00:44:13,102 like a kind of like a separate, but equal, but, 548 00:44:13,142 --> 00:44:18,982 or like apartheid type situation. And then like who was in that? 549 00:44:18,982 --> 00:44:23,042 people that aren't Nostra are not on Nostra may not know about this at all. 550 00:44:24,462 --> 00:44:28,682 Yeah, it's, you know, the world of Nostra is completely different than the world of Twitter. 551 00:44:28,682 --> 00:44:37,602 They have their own culture. They have their own. So to say influencers and, you know, celebrities, 552 00:44:37,602 --> 00:44:46,682 it's very like developer focused in many ways is kind of like a galt's gulch of Bitcoin culture 553 00:44:46,682 --> 00:44:52,622 culture where you know it's individuals that don't really want to participate in the the 554 00:44:52,622 --> 00:44:58,522 mosh pit and they're just kind of wanting to hang out with people that you know do things similar to 555 00:44:58,522 --> 00:45:06,122 them um but yeah i mean i think most of the people looking at the nostril bracket have no idea you 556 00:45:06,122 --> 00:45:12,142 know tone bass didn't know anybody in this maxi madness bracket which just kind of goes to show 557 00:45:12,142 --> 00:45:18,742 how to how out of touch he is with uh who is tone vase like i've never even seen that profile before 558 00:45:18,742 --> 00:45:22,362 you see what i just did there you see how they just keep uh they do that over and over again 559 00:45:22,362 --> 00:45:28,062 but that actually is serious i don't know who tone vase is and i was confused is he pro bip 110 or 560 00:45:28,062 --> 00:45:35,502 anti bip 110 because i saw bip 110 people being mad at him i don't he's very anti bip 110 okay so 561 00:45:35,502 --> 00:45:41,862 he's politically homeless yeah he he's like an old he's a very old school podcaster uh 562 00:45:41,862 --> 00:45:47,222 But I think he's an important one for you to know and just understanding broader Bitcoin culture. 563 00:45:47,362 --> 00:45:52,102 But he is a guy that has obviously been resting on his credentials and is very out of touch. 564 00:45:52,242 --> 00:45:59,542 But he organized a conference, has been a longtime podcaster, likes to do trading stuff. 565 00:45:59,682 --> 00:46:04,662 He's one of the old school, like this is how you trade Bitcoin people. 566 00:46:04,902 --> 00:46:10,122 So, you know, Matthew Cratter, you know, kind of looked at Tonebase and built off of his model. 567 00:46:11,862 --> 00:46:18,962 I mean, you say you say that I should know these people, but I literally have asked Casey things on the podcast. 568 00:46:18,962 --> 00:46:22,722 Like, who is Mark Andreessen? Is he the guy who's like a VC with an egghead? 569 00:46:23,502 --> 00:46:26,302 Like it's or Gavin, Gavin, Mark, whichever one. 570 00:46:26,382 --> 00:46:30,182 Again, like literally this is the level I got into Bitcoin post COVID. 571 00:46:30,182 --> 00:46:35,402 So, you know, it's 2026. I've been in Bitcoin for over five years now. 572 00:46:35,542 --> 00:46:41,842 But I think the old heads really just have this like nostalgia for, you know, it's like it's like when grandpa. 573 00:46:41,862 --> 00:46:46,562 tells you stories from the war. You know what I mean? And you're like, wow, you have PTSD from 574 00:46:46,562 --> 00:46:52,422 Vietnam and you are stuck in like a version of reality that no longer exists. I feel like that's 575 00:46:52,422 --> 00:46:59,122 kind of what's happened in Bitcoin Maxi realm. And for some reason, they can't break out of it or 576 00:46:59,122 --> 00:47:05,602 like there's no wake up call that will present itself to them and make them realize like, wait, 577 00:47:05,602 --> 00:47:11,522 maybe it actually isn't that the newcomers need to educate themselves on how important I am. 578 00:47:11,522 --> 00:47:16,722 It's like maybe you aren't as important anymore and you're not as relevant anymore. 579 00:47:16,942 --> 00:47:23,002 And it's OK for a new wave to come in that has their own interests, their own perspective. 580 00:47:24,542 --> 00:47:39,582 Actually, kind of speaking to that point, in terms of a astrology bracket in Maxi Madness, I think you could do an astrology fourth turning bracket because there's a lot of influencers in Bitcoin world that are doing astrology. 581 00:47:39,582 --> 00:47:44,362 but because they're men, they don't say that. They instead say that they believe in the fourth 582 00:47:44,362 --> 00:47:49,242 turning or they say that they believe in the Ray Dalio cycle of empire rise and decline. 583 00:47:49,882 --> 00:47:54,722 All of these things are based on astrology. Like they literally are astrological cycles, but 584 00:47:54,722 --> 00:48:00,322 it's not like it wouldn't work for their audience for them to say that. So they instead use these 585 00:48:00,322 --> 00:48:04,602 other terms. But I think you could easily fill out a bracket like Lawrence Lippard is a fourth 586 00:48:04,602 --> 00:48:09,582 turning guy um there's obviously like a couple bitcoin astrologers you could throw in there 587 00:48:09,582 --> 00:48:13,922 there's a bitcoin astrology panel happening happening at the uh vegas conference this year 588 00:48:13,922 --> 00:48:32,888 so i think that the first time we getting that so i would say fourth turning astrology that could be an interesting bracket to put in next year well unfortunately aaron uh we in the first turning now so that ship kind of sailed but uh yeah i don know i mean 589 00:48:32,888 --> 00:48:39,348 it's an interesting i i think it's helpful to to understand history or else history you know 590 00:48:39,348 --> 00:48:44,948 tends to repeat itself it's this is one of the common things where the plebs don't read history 591 00:48:44,948 --> 00:48:50,508 and then they continue to repeat the same art you know kind of old boring arguments that have 592 00:48:50,508 --> 00:48:57,648 already happened um so i i do think it's helpful to know who tone base is you know for that reason 593 00:48:57,648 --> 00:49:03,488 because you know tone's been having a lot of the arguments for years that that many people are 594 00:49:03,488 --> 00:49:08,988 rehashing uh so you can you can skip a lot of uh headaches if you if you just have a little bit of 595 00:49:08,988 --> 00:49:16,068 a historical reference of, uh, you know, what's going on. But, um, at the same time, you know, 596 00:49:16,068 --> 00:49:21,568 you bring up a very good point, which is that many of these people that have been around for a while, 597 00:49:21,568 --> 00:49:26,028 they have just rested on their credentials. They're, they're failing to continue to learn. 598 00:49:26,508 --> 00:49:32,948 Uh, they don't have enough entropy in their, uh, podcast listening. Um, if they even listen to 599 00:49:32,948 --> 00:49:38,288 podcasts, like, I mean, you just look at how stupid everything Mr. Hoddle says all the time. 600 00:49:38,288 --> 00:49:40,688 Like that guy obviously doesn't listen to podcasts. 601 00:49:40,808 --> 00:49:42,548 He has no idea what's going on. 602 00:49:42,988 --> 00:49:49,788 Um, and it's just, it's a shame that people embarrass themselves so, uh, regularly on 603 00:49:49,788 --> 00:49:50,308 the timeline. 604 00:49:50,308 --> 00:49:55,048 Like, I don't know how in 2026, you don't know who Aaron and Casey are. 605 00:49:55,168 --> 00:49:56,648 You don't know who hell money is. 606 00:49:57,168 --> 00:50:03,328 Um, and you don't understand the importance of the most important election of our lifetimes. 607 00:50:03,328 --> 00:50:10,888 yeah I I feel like ignorance is not something that people should be proud of like I'm not 608 00:50:10,888 --> 00:50:16,068 necessarily proud of the fact that I don't know who Gavin Andreessen is it's more that I say it 609 00:50:16,068 --> 00:50:23,008 because I think it's funny and it's interesting also to see that I don't know that like there are 610 00:50:23,008 --> 00:50:28,208 just like there are different perspectives in Bitcoin that exist and so if I have to like put 611 00:50:28,208 --> 00:50:34,488 myself on the chopping block to show my ignorance in order to like, not just promote this idea that 612 00:50:34,488 --> 00:50:38,408 everyone has all the same cultural references, and everyone has all the same perspective, 613 00:50:38,968 --> 00:50:42,068 I will do it. And I think that's kind of what Hell Money ends up being like, 614 00:50:42,468 --> 00:50:46,868 the basic premise for Hell Money is that Casey's the expert, and I'm the interviewer. 615 00:50:46,988 --> 00:50:53,028 It has completely gone off the rails since that initial premise. But that was the initial idea is 616 00:50:53,028 --> 00:50:58,408 that Casey is this expert on Bitcoin and I'm asking him questions that I think the audience 617 00:50:58,408 --> 00:51:03,588 would want to know and that I want to know. And so, you know, with that, I feel like I kind of, 618 00:51:03,668 --> 00:51:08,408 I think at one point I asked him if smart contracts are executed by lawyers. Like, 619 00:51:08,408 --> 00:51:11,408 do you need a lawyer to make a smart contract? Like shit like that, you know? 620 00:51:12,168 --> 00:51:17,088 So I try to just kind of like go for it. But I, but I, I do find it really interesting that 621 00:51:17,088 --> 00:51:21,688 a lot of the maxis are sort of flaunting their ignorance in a way that's like, 622 00:51:21,688 --> 00:51:27,368 there is no educational purpose. Like they're not like, oh, who is Casey Rotemore or Aaron 623 00:51:27,368 --> 00:51:31,828 Redwing? What are ordinals? I've never heard of these things. I would really love to know about 624 00:51:31,828 --> 00:51:36,608 this. Like they're flaunting their ignorance as if it's a trophy or a prize in and of itself, 625 00:51:36,608 --> 00:51:40,828 and they have no interest in educating themselves. So it's like, I don't know, it's kind of 626 00:51:40,828 --> 00:51:46,488 interesting to see that sort of meme play out. And so when Tone Veys says that he hasn't heard 627 00:51:46,488 --> 00:51:51,348 of Casey, I just kind of don't believe it. Not that I think he should have heard of me, but it's 628 00:51:51,348 --> 00:51:57,108 like Casey was everywhere like for like a year or two I don't know I just I don't buy that it just 629 00:51:57,108 --> 00:52:02,328 feels like he's kind of he's regurgitating language that he's heard other people say that for some 630 00:52:02,328 --> 00:52:09,908 reason he thinks makes him seem cool and it doesn't you know oh I don't think any of us on stage think 631 00:52:09,908 --> 00:52:17,988 tone bass is cool uh yeah it's it's productive to play the bit and I think you know a lot of the 632 00:52:17,988 --> 00:52:25,348 individuals that are around these days many of them got their education from peter mccormick 633 00:52:25,348 --> 00:52:32,208 right and so they they think and they they talk like peter did and like part of what made peter 634 00:52:32,208 --> 00:52:40,928 such a great interview was that he played the bit of being uninformed but you know because he's so 635 00:52:40,928 --> 00:52:46,948 prominent like a lot of individuals thought that he was setting the example for how to be 636 00:52:46,948 --> 00:52:52,068 which is coming off as being uninformed and so they thought it was appropriate like okay the 637 00:52:52,068 --> 00:52:59,488 biggest podcaster in the world doesn't know what an x-pub is i don't have to either uh you know so 638 00:52:59,488 --> 00:53:04,248 i can go out there i mean you look at like hodl not he's like the perfect example of somebody like 639 00:53:04,248 --> 00:53:15,308 this that is unironically being peter mccormick yeah that's that's a good point um i mean i think 640 00:53:15,308 --> 00:53:21,248 that's also like the monetary kind of macro econ guys kind of took over as well right it's like 641 00:53:21,248 --> 00:53:29,288 they i do think it's very effective to use these kind of analogies like bitcoin is literally a 642 00:53:29,288 --> 00:53:35,608 battery bitcoin literally converts energy into currency like that speaks to the plebs because 643 00:53:35,608 --> 00:53:42,628 it's so simple and it just like scratches your brain and i think that that sort of like it kind 644 00:53:42,628 --> 00:53:46,588 of ends up being like an alternative history kind of rhetoric. And by the way, big enjoyer of 645 00:53:46,588 --> 00:53:51,528 alternative history Atlantis was totally real. But like those types of things just like 646 00:53:51,528 --> 00:53:57,148 captivate people's minds. And so they don't actually ever have to learn about how Bitcoin 647 00:53:57,148 --> 00:54:01,588 works because like they're not even interacting with Bitcoin. They're just like DCAing on Swan. 648 00:54:02,168 --> 00:54:07,788 So I feel like, yeah, it's like it's the Peter McCormick kind of effect, like that sort of 649 00:54:07,788 --> 00:54:13,008 podcaster style of like, I don't know anything. I'm going to interview all of my guests like I 650 00:54:13,008 --> 00:54:16,808 don't know anything and I'll never learn and I'll never come up with new information or my own 651 00:54:16,808 --> 00:54:20,628 insights. I'll just keep being a blank slate over and over and over again for these people to 652 00:54:20,628 --> 00:54:24,988 put their messages out. But then I think it's also the messages themselves that like the messages 653 00:54:24,988 --> 00:54:32,908 that came out were these like very dumbed down kind of delicious metaphors that make Bitcoin into 654 00:54:32,908 --> 00:54:37,868 something that like you know it's like not even really getting at what bitcoin really is it's kind 655 00:54:37,868 --> 00:54:42,248 of just like dumbing it down so that you just like can tell yourself that you're a genius for 656 00:54:42,248 --> 00:54:48,928 getting into it first the technical definition of what you're describing it's called pleb slop 657 00:54:48,928 --> 00:54:55,568 i need to be very careful because i'm actually in bedford right now the bitcoin capital of the world 658 00:54:55,568 --> 00:55:02,548 for peter mccormick's conference cheat code in the uk so if i speak illy of him his his his goons 659 00:55:02,548 --> 00:55:05,088 the police force are going to be right outside my door. 660 00:55:05,848 --> 00:55:08,908 So I just need to come out and say that Peter McCormick is the best Bitcoin 661 00:55:08,908 --> 00:55:10,408 podcaster that's ever done it. 662 00:55:11,248 --> 00:55:17,968 And I think he does great work and I hope he comes back to Bitcoin soon. 663 00:55:18,768 --> 00:55:20,488 I don't want to, I'm in Bedford. 664 00:55:20,628 --> 00:55:22,228 I'm behind enemy lines. 665 00:55:22,448 --> 00:55:23,648 They will extract me out. 666 00:55:23,648 --> 00:55:27,168 I will have to explain to Peter what an ex-pub is. 667 00:55:27,368 --> 00:55:29,408 It's going to be like a tortured prison sentence. 668 00:55:30,168 --> 00:55:31,688 So I want to be very careful. 669 00:55:32,548 --> 00:55:34,328 But if you have anything you want me to share with him, 670 00:55:34,428 --> 00:55:37,128 I can go tell him at dinner tonight your thoughts and opinions. 671 00:55:37,608 --> 00:55:40,288 I don't think anybody spoke ill of Peter. 672 00:55:40,548 --> 00:55:42,608 I think you're misunderstanding what was said. 673 00:55:45,648 --> 00:55:48,568 Also, Aaron, you've been a guest on that show, no? 674 00:55:48,848 --> 00:55:49,428 No, no, no. 675 00:55:49,528 --> 00:56:03,694 Casey been on What Bitcoin Did but Oh no I was on with Danny Wow danny knolls not with peter mccormick peter mccormick um like i i think was he small i don know if he was swan podcast industrial 676 00:56:03,694 --> 00:56:08,314 complex or what but like someone clearly told him that he needed to be anti-ordinals because when he 677 00:56:08,314 --> 00:56:13,274 had casey on i mean it's like the most absurd interview see i'll talk shit about peter mccormick 678 00:56:13,274 --> 00:56:18,214 now that i know that rob is behind enemy lines and that they're gonna execute him um yeah when 679 00:56:18,214 --> 00:56:22,554 When Casey went on Peter McCormick's show a couple years ago, it was so crazy. 680 00:56:22,774 --> 00:56:27,134 I encourage anyone who's interested in this topic of this kind of cultural divide to watch 681 00:56:27,134 --> 00:56:33,094 that episode because Casey answers every question with complete knowledge, technical efficiency, 682 00:56:33,574 --> 00:56:36,374 just kind of gets to the point and answers everything honestly. 683 00:56:36,914 --> 00:56:39,114 And about an hour in, you can just see Peter McCormick. 684 00:56:39,114 --> 00:56:43,774 He literally says something like, I'm trying to think of anything that I can say against 685 00:56:43,774 --> 00:56:44,154 you. 686 00:56:44,154 --> 00:56:49,054 Like he's literally like stirring his brain, trying to come up with anything that he can say. 687 00:56:49,534 --> 00:56:56,154 And then at the end, after this like very like honest, easy, you know, it's not like Casey's defensive about ordinals. 688 00:56:56,234 --> 00:57:00,294 If you ask Casey about ordinals, like he's he's not into it. 689 00:57:00,554 --> 00:57:05,394 He doesn't even like trade inscriptions like he's not like a shit coiner at all. 690 00:57:06,674 --> 00:57:12,374 I think like it's like at the end, Peter's like, yeah, well, I don't know if I have enough information to make up my mind at the end of this. 691 00:57:12,374 --> 00:57:17,634 Like, it just seems really clear to me that he had some sort of agenda pushed onto him for some reason. 692 00:57:17,634 --> 00:57:22,494 And I don't know why or who, but that's kind of my shit talking on Peter. 693 00:57:22,934 --> 00:57:25,954 But Peter has done a service in that he's just gotten out of the game. 694 00:57:26,094 --> 00:57:26,634 You know what I mean? 695 00:57:26,694 --> 00:57:34,314 He, like, has clearly realized he was out of his depths and that he should just talk about, like, UK cultural issues instead, which I think is probably a better market for him. 696 00:57:34,314 --> 00:57:47,934 well uh yeah and in yeah i again we don't need to dig up all this history but i do remember 697 00:57:47,934 --> 00:57:55,974 listening to casey on citadel dispatch which is like a super uh um you know uh of the culture uh 698 00:57:55,974 --> 00:58:04,254 matt odell um uh podcast i remember those days but yeah okay so uh bugle i'm throwing it to you 699 00:58:04,254 --> 00:58:10,954 as we wind this this time down uh what do you expect from the next year uh any parting words 700 00:58:10,954 --> 00:58:18,174 about this year aaron uh aaron casey hell money uh appreciate everything you brought to this and 701 00:58:18,174 --> 00:58:24,374 and like taking it serious i i hope for more cringe honestly i want more cringe next year i 702 00:58:24,374 --> 00:58:32,434 next year i have no idea what to expect it all just when it when the time comes the brackets 703 00:58:32,434 --> 00:58:35,474 the matchups, the regions, it just comes to you. 704 00:58:35,634 --> 00:58:39,494 And I think part of the reason Casey won this year 705 00:58:39,494 --> 00:58:45,034 is because the secret to Maxi Madness is don't overthink it. 706 00:58:45,414 --> 00:58:46,574 Don't overthink it. 707 00:58:47,034 --> 00:58:52,314 Just enjoy the ride on the plug slot popularity contest. 708 00:58:54,894 --> 00:58:58,014 I have no idea what to expect, 709 00:58:58,234 --> 00:59:00,014 and I don't even want to think about it. 710 00:59:00,014 --> 00:59:04,534 I think we put everything out on the court for this year. 711 00:59:04,774 --> 00:59:09,514 I think both of us are just completely tapped out energy-wise. 712 00:59:10,514 --> 00:59:13,394 Going to have a nice, relaxing weekend. 713 00:59:14,894 --> 00:59:16,714 Enjoy, you know, smell the roses. 714 00:59:19,174 --> 00:59:21,694 And listen to some Bitcoin podcasts. 715 00:59:21,874 --> 00:59:25,674 I mean, it's just, there's a lot of things on the horizon. 716 00:59:25,674 --> 00:59:30,834 The next big thing for us is going to be the Las Vegas event that we're excited. 717 00:59:31,054 --> 00:59:36,434 We're going to be partnering with PubKey and Rabbit Hole Recap to do an event there. 718 00:59:36,574 --> 00:59:38,634 So anybody in the audience, tell all your friends. 719 00:59:38,834 --> 00:59:45,954 Make sure to show up because I'm sure it's going to be a very popular event and there's limited space to be there. 720 00:59:46,074 --> 00:59:47,294 I'm very excited about that. 721 00:59:47,374 --> 00:59:50,334 There's going to be a Noster event that'll be a lot of fun. 722 00:59:50,434 --> 00:59:52,974 We'll have some awesome musical performances there. 723 00:59:53,734 --> 00:59:55,174 I mean, that's all I really could think about. 724 00:59:55,174 --> 01:00:01,674 it's just living in the moment living life one bitcoin podcast at a time yeah speaking of living 725 01:00:01,674 --> 01:00:06,734 life one bitcoin podcast at a time the uh the hell money podcast episode just dropped and i've uh 726 01:00:06,734 --> 01:00:11,934 pinned it to the top of the space so if you are someone who did not know who me or casey were 727 01:00:11,934 --> 01:00:17,534 before uh maxi madness or you had never listened to hell money podcast um the episode that we just 728 01:00:17,534 --> 01:00:25,854 posted is Casey and I, it's so demoralized. Like we are at like max pain because we, 729 01:00:26,254 --> 01:00:32,254 this was filmed like right after they rejected the ordinals BIP. And so like, we're completely 730 01:00:32,254 --> 01:00:36,134 defeated in this episode. But I think, I think we get at some interesting, you know, of course, 731 01:00:36,134 --> 01:00:41,094 we talked about the Epstein files, because that's always relevant to things relating to Bitcoin 732 01:00:41,094 --> 01:00:46,514 core and the BIP process. And yeah, it's a pretty good episode. So if you're, if you're trying to 733 01:00:46,514 --> 01:00:52,734 keep the Bitcoin podcasting vibes going, go check that out. I heard Brian Bishop's thinking about 734 01:00:52,734 --> 01:01:00,654 reopening the bib since Casey's victory. Yeah, I think that was a stipulation from Maxie Madness 735 01:01:00,654 --> 01:01:06,154 was that Luke, if he didn't win, it was going to have the, or I guess Dathan. Dathan didn't win. I 736 01:01:06,154 --> 01:01:11,474 don't even think he made it out of his first bracket. So I think they have to close the BIP 737 01:01:11,474 --> 01:01:13,574 110 PR and then I think they have to 738 01:01:13,574 --> 01:01:15,594 reopen the ordinals BIP and give 739 01:01:15,594 --> 01:01:15,994 it a number. 740 01:01:18,754 --> 01:01:19,554 I was 741 01:01:19,554 --> 01:01:21,614 a little disappointed in Gloria's performance. 742 01:01:23,354 --> 01:01:23,474 I 743 01:01:23,474 --> 01:01:25,514 thought that could 744 01:01:25,514 --> 01:01:26,094 have gone better. 745 01:01:27,774 --> 01:01:29,514 Hell Money Podcast is a fantastic 746 01:01:29,514 --> 01:01:31,454 podcast and if you're 747 01:01:31,454 --> 01:01:33,414 a subscriber to it, you get in on 748 01:01:33,414 --> 01:01:35,654 what is always a very funny 749 01:01:35,654 --> 01:01:36,754 and entertaining 750 01:01:36,754 --> 01:01:38,774 members 751 01:01:38,774 --> 01:01:40,594 Twitter space. 752 01:01:40,594 --> 01:01:42,334 so highly recommend it 753 01:01:42,334 --> 01:01:44,474 Bugle good luck in Las Vegas 754 01:01:44,474 --> 01:01:47,194 Aaron thank you for bringing it 755 01:01:47,194 --> 01:01:48,894 I expected nothing less 756 01:01:48,894 --> 01:01:49,794 out of you 757 01:01:49,794 --> 01:01:52,914 Tommy thank you for 758 01:01:52,914 --> 01:01:55,074 the time you put into the award 759 01:01:55,074 --> 01:01:56,694 it really nailed the 760 01:01:56,694 --> 01:01:58,274 vibe I think 761 01:01:58,274 --> 01:02:01,034 and you know actually one more 762 01:02:01,034 --> 01:02:03,054 thing Bugle the level of production 763 01:02:03,054 --> 01:02:05,034 this year was fantastic I don't know if 764 01:02:05,034 --> 01:02:06,994 you've been complimented enough on that but it 765 01:02:06,994 --> 01:02:08,534 really was like an incredible 766 01:02:08,534 --> 01:02:11,254 step up so cheers to you guys 767 01:02:11,254 --> 01:02:12,894 but thanks to everybody 768 01:02:12,894 --> 01:02:15,174 winners sorry we didn't get 769 01:02:15,174 --> 01:02:16,834 to see you naked 770 01:02:16,834 --> 01:02:18,474 that was a real bummer 771 01:02:18,474 --> 01:02:19,494 Erin 772 01:02:19,494 --> 01:02:22,194 congratulations on hotness 773 01:02:22,194 --> 01:02:23,814 you know it's a thing 774 01:02:23,814 --> 01:02:24,434 thank you 775 01:02:24,434 --> 01:02:27,374 thanks to the Bugle guys for doing this 776 01:02:27,374 --> 01:02:28,234 I feel like this was a 777 01:02:28,234 --> 01:02:31,414 fun opportunity to bring the whole community together 778 01:02:31,414 --> 01:02:33,454 and I made plenty of 779 01:02:33,454 --> 01:02:34,714 friends along the way so 780 01:02:34,714 --> 01:02:37,334 I'm very grateful to that 781 01:02:38,534 --> 01:02:45,634 the friends you make along the way that's the truth bugle take us out thank you uh guys for 782 01:02:45,634 --> 01:02:53,614 having us on and uh tommy if you're still listening or around uh thank you for that wonderful uh piece 783 01:02:53,614 --> 01:03:00,654 of artwork you are truly one of the greatest bitcoin artists of all time and if you are 784 01:03:00,654 --> 01:03:04,534 still in line to vote for aaron stay in line 785 01:03:08,534 --> 01:03:16,074 thanks everybody see you all in vegas next month use code x10 for 10 off see ya