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some people call it mindfulness some people call it meditation some people call it prayer

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some people they go on walks and they call it clearing their head or they call it the

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presence or they say i'm touching grass but these are all forms of meditation and it's

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it's something that not as many,

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most people don't are doing these days where they're not doing enough of it.

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They say there's so much information,

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so much stimulus from your screens,

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from the crazy stuff going on in the world,

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the situations.

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And if you want to start meditating,

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is something that in order to do it it takes time you have to take time to begin to meditate to begin

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to do practice mindfulness to be to to pray every day whatever it is that you're doing

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you have to take time and one of the things that you notice if you're like me is when you try to do

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it all you can think about is the time like that is there's a million i guess things you can i guess

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the point of sometimes meditation is to not focus on anything and sometimes it's to focus intensely

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on something and and think about it but when you're meditating you damn time is going by so

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slow right now when i'm doing these other things when my mind is busy when the world is busy and

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Things are going crazy.

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The time seems like it's flying by.

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In fact, time feels like it's flying by faster and faster every day.

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But that thoughtfulness that when you start thinking about time, you realize time itself is a huge rabbit hole.

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and today we're talking to the meditation man the man who built the kind chain calendar the

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like the guy who makes you know the digital bitcoin watches some people call it um the

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i think he's a shaman he's like he's like a pine shaman it's tc how are you doing today tc you are

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the most credentialed

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washnaker in all

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the Bitcoin space.

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It's great to have you on.

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Meditation is

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incredibly important

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because in many ways it's a way

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to integrate the experiences that

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you, the knowledge

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that you learn from 40 hours

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Bitcoin podcasts a week.

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Is that what you're trying to communicate

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with your username meditation

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Is that why you've gotten into meditation is just seeing the importance of integrating the knowledge that you've learned from listening to podcasts?

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And I think without a doubt that my early discovery of Bitcoin and really falling into the rabbit hole, that whole experience could be described as meditation.

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where I was just watching so many podcasts

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and having so many conversations with so many people

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about those podcasts,

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discovering deeper understanding,

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gaining more conviction in Bitcoin.

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That's the path.

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That is the meditation.

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Some people,

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some people like when they're driving their car,

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they're singing in their car.

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Or they'll sing in the shower.

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They'll just be like singing while they're mowing the lawn.

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But some people, they have Bitcoin podcasts in the shower.

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They have Bitcoin podcasts in their car with themselves or with their mowing the lawn.

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Do you ever do that?

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Do you ever, do you have like a little one on like a, playing a podcast in your head while you're doing your daily tasks?

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Like the meditative, what you're carrying, what's the quote?

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where I like carry in a bucket of water every day before enlightenment,

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after enlightenment.

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podcasts while you work podcasts while you're cooking,

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It's a,

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it's a,

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it's a constant.

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It's that focus.

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That focus is very important.

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especially early, early in your journey.

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So you create a time chain calendar.

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That's what you're known for.

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So you're familiar with building these web applications.

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Have you seen anybody create a Bitcoin meditation app yet?

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and uh have you seen any bitcoin meditations out there

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no but um i'm going to start vibe coding that while we proceed with the rest of the uh

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the recording here i i will say i had this one experience one time where i was

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in a sauna with some people and they put on some michael saylor plebs lob breathing exercises

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and it was one of the most, they actually went through

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and they created a plebs law meditation track.

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It took me by surprise.

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Yeah, I mean, people are going to need to calm down

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because sometimes they get a little bit too excited.

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Sometimes they jump the gun, you know.

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The world doesn't always cooperate.

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It's a chaotic world, right?

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I think we need more relaxation, especially in Bitcoin.

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It's a high-stress world.

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It is a high-stress world sometimes, right?

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And it also depends on your perspective.

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do you you know one of the big causes of stress in much much of the community a few years ago

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was it was you know people like a stick with men and there's millions more like him they were worried

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that people were not that they were in a fool that are in by xrp they were not realizing the

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theory was a shit coin they were worried about like the bankless guys and each other as you would

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constantly tease them and troll them and say that there was going to be a foot landing or they would

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say that xrp was going to ten dollars and like it was just this massive stress like we have to

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we have to teach everybody it's bitcoin not crypto in swan they they stole three to 16 times a day

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um and and it didn't seem like you know bitcoin had it clearly won is it clearly

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transcended the rest of crypto the meme coins were just making a making a fool of the rest of

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the industry but then ai has come along and ai is now the new like it's the new um shiny

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technology for the future and it's all the bitcoin mine it's still bitcoin miners like all their all

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all the people who want to mine all the guys who uh understand how to like build the infrastructure

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and run these continued facilities,

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they're all going to do AI compute.

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They're pivoting from Bitcoin mining to AI compute.

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are starting to kind of go down the path

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of like exploring like,

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hey, I can make a podcast about AI

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or with AI or iTunes,

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talk about this or that.

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Everybody's focused on AI now.

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and Bitcoin conversations on the algorithm

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to social media.

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and honestly if you were to go and check the vibe right now there's a lot of people who are saying

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or observing noticing wherever you want it though he's talking about bitcoin or he's talking about

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ai or the situation that you got the situation going on we get to that shortly um so the stress

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is back it's like is bitcoin it'll lose to ai or it's like it's ai is more popular it's more pretty

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um but is i personally think that is a a false like dichotomy it's like not one versus the other

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because um vibe coding is awesome uh ai music is fun as hell is fun to you i mean there's so many

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tools you can like generate pictures of people in bikinis you know on with rock in like two seconds

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jan and i is yet faster like what's your what's your take on this like this bitcoin versus ai

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are you embracing ai are you using ai to build more time chain calendars

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yeah i mean that's that's really uh that's the cutting edge

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everyone knows quad code is all up in their feed that's that's the latest experience

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No, but really everyone who does any kind of code, I think, has some experience with the benefits of AI as a coding tool.

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And there's two sides to that. You're going to have all kinds of plebs, vibe coding, all kinds of things they imagine should be there with Bitcoin.

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And on the other hand, don't you have to consider if AI thinks that, you know, like where AI places its importance on the monetary aspects of Bitcoin when Core is using it, you know?

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You have to consider both sides.

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The filter debate has really died down.

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And I think one thing that's apparent is that Udi and his spam probably wasn't that significant of a threat to the survival of Bitcoin.

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but one thing that is not yet fully realized is the threat of an army of vibe coding plebs

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to the bitcoin network with all their uh you know machinations of you know being able to

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potentially conjure you know other sort of you know spam like the uh you know it's not fair to

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to compare Cardano and Bitcoin to each other,

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but a vibe coding pleb was able to completely derail the Cardano network for a

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bit.

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Charles Hoskinson wanted to,

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to prosecute.

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That was his solution to it.

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do you like,

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what do you think the dangers of vibe coding plebs?

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What,

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what type of messes could they be creating going into the future?

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Is that a threat?

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Yeah, I mean, it's a threat to Bitcoin for sure. We're going to have all kinds of insecure wallets, I guarantee it. There will be people losing their keys because of some vibe-coded things.

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I think it's more important than ever to not trust and verify. You have to really do your research on the tools you're using because I think we are going to see an explosion of more apps and I think wallets especially, that's dangerous.

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And then there's the whole world of different clients, different Bitcoin implementations.

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There are going to be five coding Nostra clients, for sure.

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And those, they're just going to have terrible UX.

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Well, hopefully the AI is going to help with that, too.

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I think it's going to be a really interesting time because things are going to move really quickly.

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but um well i think so i think the the the bit the slot fork as i like to call it by dacen ohm

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uh is a really good example uh greaser he brought up the the vibe coded app by the pleb on cardano

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i think firstly that there is nothing more dangerous than a vibe coding pleb the other day

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you may recognize uh justin bachelor uh i don't know if you if you follow him but he said that

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chad gdp 5.2 is a toyota camry and claude opus 4.5 is a porsche 911 gt3 rs and my i quotes with you

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i said what you need to take away from this is that if you were planned that you have no business

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driving a porsche 911 if you're in plan you need to stay away from flawed no vibe coding there

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there's just too much there's too much that the plebs can break if they're they need to stick to

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yes say toyota camry use chat gbt to to learn to learn and claude is for building in ed plebs are

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not ready yeah i i mean it's it's a real issue of staying humble and stacking sats or slopping out

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and vibing your code too much.

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You know what they say if you vibe your code too much.

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We've seen this massive shift.

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You know, AI is kind of on the,

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I don't think it's been hardly realized.

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People are still experimenting with what to do with it

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and how to integrate it into their lives and their businesses.

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but uh you know one one thing that's clear is is many of the world's best software engineers

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are too autistic to understand user experience but they they do know how to make secure systems

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right this has been a constant challenge

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the the plebs understand good ux and they demand good ux and they they will look at a secure

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application they'll turn their nose up to it if they can't if the color scheme isn't right if if

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it isn't you know because they're sitting there and they're on these applications just consuming

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plebslop like they they have brain rot in their brains and if application doesn't make sense to

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them they're they're going to uh and it's not easy they're not going to want to use it right uh

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so you know there's this really real potential is that you've got all these unsecured wallets

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with incredible UX and secure wallets with bad UX.

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What is a way you think the Bitcoin ecosystem

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can combat this and teach the autists good UX?

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And like, is this what the whole spam debate

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has been at its core?

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to give the plebs the UX that they want?

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Wow, that's deep.

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I mean, this sounds to me like the podcasters have to really help clarify.

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I mean, because if not them, who else?

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They need to help the plebs clear some of this up.

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It's just the facts.

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Not everyone's going to be able to read the code and verify it.

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You need your kind of technical translator, let's say, that can translate from the code to the spoken language.

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That's where the social code of Bitcoin lies, don't you think?

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well potentially but i my question is and it is a real question to is open to both of you is

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are we not learning that bad ux is the security feature if it has a good ux the plaz will be

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farting around picking their voters using it looking at plenus lap on the app using the app

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for whatever zapping that's why they love like wall is satoshi not a secure app they love ledger

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not a secure it's all it could put those have great user experiences but something with a bad

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user experience like um you know electrum or some would say sparrow or cold card or these more secure

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time-tested systems they have bad ux and so hackers uh you bad actors they're not going to

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take the time to to to sift through the headache of user experience that is required

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uh to to exploit vulnerabilities they're going to go with a good ux the shiny lights where the

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you know, the ADIQ plugs are just running around, you know,

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with their freaking greasy tallow hair,

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and they're just going to, it's like stealing candy from baby

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because the good UX is a security flaw.

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Yeah, I never thought about it that way.

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I mean, you know, the ledgers and those type of hardware devices are pretty slick.

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You know, you can wear them around your neck.

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You can wear them on a hat.

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and I think more people are getting held up with those.

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It's true.

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You know, this is the fine line that the people building have to carefully navigate,

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and it does take years of experience to get the right approach.

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The vibe coder doesn't necessarily have that, right?

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And neither does the AI.

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right if you're a builder an entrepreneur if you want to make money if you want to sell a lot of

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you know hardware wallets you want to sell a lot of software licenses it has to have a good user

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experience and bad security because not only does the value of your system the value of the product

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you're making comes from it's i mean who are the first adopters of most new products anyway

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uh hackers scammers the black market whatever it is and then if you really want to scale if you

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really want to go public in and have a very successful business it has to be in so it has

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to be back be able to be backed or by talent here or the government or like you know a pegasus

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system otherwise you know what value does it have yeah man

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you stumped them so tc are you familiar with uh this term called uh chat gpt psychosis

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have you seen this um i believe so what's your version of it well i i started interacting with

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my first case of somebody that I know personally,

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or actually second case.

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I've known a few people,

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but they find that chat GPT will glaze them

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no matter what they say and how outrageous it is.

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And I almost wonder if Mike Brock

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is suffering from chat GPT psychosis right now.

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Like he displays a lot of the characterizations of it, which is just this complete disconnect from reality where they become consumed by the chat bot.

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Like it's glazing him too much.

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You're absolutely right, Brock.

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That's brilliant, Brock.

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Is this what you're talking about?

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it is mike brought his a seams i have by 10 diagnose him seems kind of like a narcissist

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and chad gbt is just glazing mike and and glazing his narcissism and feeding into his like

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inflated sense of self-worth it i was do his um ui stream today a little bit till i get emergency

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live stream or something and he just kept he he he was just the way he was talking he was just like

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impressed with his himself and like his own word the word is vocabulary that he would use

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and a he would like imagine his audience like what he what they must think about his writing

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he's like folks you should get uh your media and your journalism and your information from more

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sources i appreciate that um that you all find me so intelligent and and think that i'm the most

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important source of um of information uh but you have to get it from other sources like mike i don't

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think a single person has said that to you or like there's nobody in the comments saying that

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It just like this crazy inflated self And I think Chad GTT feeds that yeah i mean it a real danger because what people may not be conscious of is they they really anthropomorphizing

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this technology they they really take it to heart that it's a it's kind of a person there

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and they develop relationships with it, and sometimes that can get out of hand.

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Some people fall in love with chat, GPT.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, that can mess with people's heads in a variety of ways.

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So I think this is a real concern just society-wide at this stage.

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Have you seen personally any examples of this?

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I mean, I've definitely seen a lot of people let the AI art go to their head.

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I remember when you couldn't open up Twitter without getting just a whole feed full of AI sailor slop photos.

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I mean, that was, I felt like a whole year.

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That's all we were seeing.

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And I know a lot of people lost their minds during that time.

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Like, that's a fact.

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That's the Genesis Pledslop, is the Sailor AIR.

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Yeah, I think my favorite was when he is driving a race car

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because he's talking about one of his products being a race car.

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And he, of course, has no helmet in the picture.

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And that was the irony for me.

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And then there was, I remember the studio, Chip Leasoyer,

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making like anime versions of themselves and people vives capital vives capital like they

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ipo'd so to speak you know in the paper bitcoin summer early days off of those um off of those

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anime pictures there there was like 70 people from vives capital

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and they all had those that making the most skinny and and and and young did you did you do

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one of those did you do one of the one of the studio ghiblis oh the studio ghibli ones i i had

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to have done one or two i think i i told it to make my avatar into a studio ghibli type and

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mixed results you know

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actually that that one didn't bother me so much i i wouldn't mind if that that trend lasted longer

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than some other other ai trends what is the one that you hate the most what's the one that drives

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crazy and either you hope it goes away forever or you show but like nothing like that ever comes

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back well i i'm already sick of what is the tap the the post to see four pictures stacked on top

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of each other okay that's bad it's horrendous it's you can feel the brain cells dying every

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time you see it.

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So there is like, go ahead.

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Sorry, I want to talk about Sailor Slop.

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I'm scrolling his Twitter right now.

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He's got a picture of him kicking a soccer ball.

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It says Team Bitcoin.

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And it has 17,000 likes.

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Oh, just wait.

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Isn't the World Cup coming up?

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I expect a lot of Sailor soccer memes.

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he's he's got he's got a picture of like an orange with the bitcoin logo cut into it

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and it says eat real food and it has 13 000 likes made one day that's his uh that's his uh new hot

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food pyramid meme didn't they just come out with the new food pyramid

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see he's right on top of this he has an army of meme creators right because i notice he's tagging

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or a lot of the pictures he takes in posts are from other people's posts.

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So there's sort of a, it's like a little intern squad

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of people generating these things for him.

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You know, it actually kind of makes you wonder

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what that's going to look like 10 years from now.

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You know, the cult of sailor.

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Right.

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and i i don't think it's always been as obvious or maybe he just started tagging but he's always had

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an army of uh like he's a plumb he's a little plumb slap interns and they always make him

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you know look like a muscular super badass like alpha like superheroes soccer players

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something like that but it's you're right it's like wherever is trending or like something very

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in vogue uh in the pool water you know slop timeline uh he incorporates it and he's up right

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on top of it like it's everywhere that they're like he said 13 000 like who yeah it makes you

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wonder who's liking this someone should make a meme of sailor as the iranian woman who's like

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lighting the cigarette but the photo's not the ayatollah it's like plebs and he's like lighting

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the cigarette from the the picture i'm doing that right now you're welcome so one thing you mentioned

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earlier is spaces you were going through your meditation your meditative journey of the podcasts

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the conversations about the podcast on spaces and spaces used to be daily bitcoin spaces

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a few years ago that used to be the hottest thing in town everybody was on there the rooms were huge

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there were competing spaces some people called it well the outsiders like the whole the anti-social

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meme gang autistic kids they called it the cartel the cartel was controlling spaces and it's it

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seems like that community has tried it's it's shrunk very dramatically that's very small group

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And it's not even really Bitcoin only lately.

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And it's just a lot of angry plaids who have Joe Carlos, our derangement syndrome.

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And they're trying to battle with him over tumorism versus optimism.

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And that's like all that's left.

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Like, am I wrong?

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Am I missing something?

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What was your experience on spaces?

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And like, what's happened to it?

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well bitcoin has itself gone on its own journey the last couple years

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straying into wall street territory and a whole bunch of new people with a whole different

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orientation have come in so naturally there's a whole shift in the focus of the spaces instead of

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talking about how to run your node and how to optimize your coin control.

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It's a lot more of discussion of the various flavored offerings

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that are from Michael Saylor's taco stand

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or all the whole buffet of ETFs and other derivatives.

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I mean, there's a lot of people who sure do find a lot of stuff to talk about

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that is just adjacent to Bitcoin at best and not even.

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And so, yeah, I'd like to hear more about coin control in spaces.

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I think the people that stuck around are all so familiar with one another

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that there's just a lot of bullshitting going on most of the time.

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And real Bitcoin discussion, it really is few and far between.

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Um, it's just speaks to where we are.

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I don't know.

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I think that everybody's going to have reasons to care a little bit more about self-custody,

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how to use Bitcoin correctly.

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But so many people have so much more work to do to learn that stuff.

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I don't know if space is the go-to place anymore for that.

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the uh i think the information channels that people are interacting and learning

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about bitcoin are changing i i just got on tiktok this week and i was shocked by how much content

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is on there uh there's all these these separate

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areas it seems like a lot of bitcoin people have kind of uh gone into self-exile on nostr

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so there's like a group of individuals that have done that but uh

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it sounds like what you're saying is there's been a group of people that were excited about

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educating the uninitiated no-coiner plebs into becoming a full-coiner plebs.

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And they kind of got bored with it.

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Is that what you saw?

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And then what has happened is the people that are excited about educating the no-coiner plebs

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are trying to make sure that we have paper Bitcoin summer this upcoming year.

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yeah a lot of that a lot of that's been going on um it's uh it reminds you you know

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said by a lot of people it's not really a community is it but it felt like one right

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yeah i think there's a there's a part of the journey where that's the

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that's a natural thing because you discover all these new people and you,

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you find some,

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some,

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uh,

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some people that,

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you know,

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maybe don't think you're so crazy.

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And,

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uh,

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it's natural to want to form a community with those people.

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It's natural to be gravitated in that direction.

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At a certain point,

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uh,

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a lot of people just have to,

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uh,

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do other stuff with their time.

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But that's an interesting phenomenon to watch as well as we go forward.

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I think that's going to be interesting to see what that looks like a few years from now.

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Because I think you have a lot of plebs still trying to find the signal.

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There is an awful lot of noise.

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But again, you know, everyone's just trying to find that signal.

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I'm trying to put a little signal of my own

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And I think that's what a handful of people are still interested in

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But I think you're going to see a resurgence of it

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You know, the real catalyst for all of that is number go up

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So I think the next time we really pump

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You get some new life

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You get some new energy

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you get some new people coming in and the people that are there get a little lift in their step

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so every everybody likes to debate about the cycles you know marty bent called it he said

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this time was different it has been very different in a lot of ways uh i think it's been different

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than you know how marty anticipated it because his macro takes are kind of on par with just the

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average pleb out there but um what do you think's gonna lead to the pump is it where i think we all

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know the god announcement has to predate the uh the god candle david bailey was uh you know trying

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to pull off the god announcement you know multiple times by um you know really trying to cater to

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Donald Trump, he failed over and over again.

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He just, God did not shine his light fondly on David Bailey.

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What do you think the God announcement will be that will lead to the God candle?

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I think you're going to have to wait for one of these big tech companies to make a big splash.

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or one of these big, powerful nations in the world making a big splash.

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But I don't think we're going to see that in the next couple of years.

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I think it's really, it's one of these things where don't you think the max pain

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is kind of just crabby, choppy sideways, slight drift upward over the next couple of years.

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and all the people who think it's going to go to the moon kind of lose it

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and all the people that think that it's going to crash out lose it.

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I think that's kind of the most ironic and appropriate outcome

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for the end of the four-year cycle expectation

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because that sure seems like what we've got.

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We ended up with green, green, red instead of green, green, green.

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And so just based on that alone.

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but at the same time I look at look at what we've got we've got this beautiful crab market

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that is just the perfect answer to both the bulls and the bears and anyone who's expecting

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too much too quickly I think is going to be disappointed

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the crab market makes the bulls and the bears both incredibly grumpy and they're just crash

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out less than right on the timeline. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. I think that's

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something I got used to last year. Last year was a very crabby year. And you witnessed everyone get

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sort of ahead of their skis. The bears got way ahead of their skis. The bulls got ahead of their

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skis and and and now everyone's gonna continue to wait high anxiety every time we move up every

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time we move down you're gonna get the same fake outs it's an emotional roller coaster again people

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should be staring at podcasts instead of the price chart or time chain calendar either would be

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acceptable a lot of a lot of opportunity to meditate um yeah i mean it's i think one of the

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challenges so it seems like crash outs are happening all-time highs everywhere not just in this uh

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bubble of the world where people talk about internet money but you know outside of this

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little bubble people are crashing out left and right just nosedives they are not prepared

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for the fourth turning do you feel like you've prepared how have you prepared to handle the chaos

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and how are you maintaining your your sanity without crashing out on a day-to-day basis

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well I

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try to

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focus on

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the people that matter most

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my family

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but

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as far as the fourth

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turning

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this is

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something we

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we don't know what exactly

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is going to occur

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and you can prepare

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you can

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And you can acquire firearms and water filters and gas masks and stores of food.

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And, you know, you could have any of these things or all of them.

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You could learn how to grow your own food.

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I mean, that is the mission after all, right?

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Self-sufficiency and sovereignty in uncertain times.

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But, you know, my perspective tells me that people have been feeling this kind of dread and uncertainty

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In nearly every generation before us

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So that's part of the experience too, you know

456
00:40:07,262 --> 00:40:15,042
At a certain point, you have to be a man and face whatever cards you're dealt.

457
00:40:16,162 --> 00:40:19,762
So I think that's the calling of Bitcoin,

458
00:40:20,022 --> 00:40:24,242
is to prepare your mind and orient towards sovereignty

459
00:40:24,242 --> 00:40:32,782
and try to create as many solutions for potential uncertainties as you can,

460
00:40:32,782 --> 00:40:37,002
knowing that the future is chaotic and uncertain.

461
00:40:37,262 --> 00:40:47,562
it's a beautiful thing to meditate on so part of the reason for all the crash outs part of the

462
00:40:47,562 --> 00:40:54,122
reason for all the anxiety part of the reason for all the dread is at least you know i think

463
00:40:54,122 --> 00:41:02,722
due to all of the situations that everybody has to monitor and then you know for some people it's

464
00:41:02,722 --> 00:41:05,682
It's just all the situations they are monitoring.

465
00:41:05,982 --> 00:41:08,882
Like, it's just nonstop.

466
00:41:09,362 --> 00:41:12,862
Seems like bad news, scary news.

467
00:41:13,522 --> 00:41:16,502
You know, what were the implications and consequences?

468
00:41:16,822 --> 00:41:19,382
It's like these situations are accelerating.

469
00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:26,782
But it begs the question, is monitoring the situation meditating?

470
00:41:26,782 --> 00:41:33,082
I don't know if that's true for everyone.

471
00:41:33,082 --> 00:41:47,282
I think sometimes monitoring the situation can create a lot of dissonance and a lot of noise and drive you crazy in an undesirable way.

472
00:41:47,282 --> 00:41:54,262
I think again that's the call to the signal

473
00:41:54,262 --> 00:41:56,922
To counteract the noise or cut through the noise

474
00:41:56,922 --> 00:42:00,262
Because everyone can only handle so much

475
00:42:00,262 --> 00:42:06,162
It's just like all the market expectations that drive people crazy

476
00:42:06,162 --> 00:42:09,822
I think most of the crash outs we see are simply because

477
00:42:09,822 --> 00:42:14,362
People make bad decisions in their trading

478
00:42:14,362 --> 00:42:17,402
and they end up on the wrong side of things

479
00:42:17,402 --> 00:42:21,342
and they become hopeless and crash out.

480
00:42:24,002 --> 00:42:29,622
You've got to learn that hodling your Bitcoin

481
00:42:29,622 --> 00:42:31,922
is the answer to all that stress, right?

482
00:42:32,562 --> 00:42:37,062
You've got to learn that you can't time the market.

483
00:42:37,062 --> 00:42:41,842
You have to hang on and gain the conviction.

484
00:42:42,642 --> 00:42:44,002
I say it all the time.

485
00:42:44,002 --> 00:42:51,582
Your knowledge is really the corollary to your conviction.

486
00:42:52,622 --> 00:42:55,902
And that's why you got to watch your 40 hours.

487
00:42:56,502 --> 00:42:57,902
That's why you have to study.

488
00:42:58,682 --> 00:43:02,102
You've got to focus on the signal.

489
00:43:02,822 --> 00:43:08,162
You've got to stay focused so that you can learn what you need to learn

490
00:43:08,162 --> 00:43:13,362
and gain your conviction and withstand these uncertain times

491
00:43:13,362 --> 00:43:23,422
and not crash out and then then you're gonna make it the you know you've mentioned like the

492
00:43:23,422 --> 00:43:30,502
people who make bad trading decisions and you you talked about spaces already it seems like you

493
00:43:30,502 --> 00:43:36,722
interact with more often and maybe you're more far into the world or they cease to be

494
00:43:36,722 --> 00:43:43,162
like with these traders but the people who think that they are clever they think they've got

495
00:43:43,162 --> 00:43:50,582
a good idea they've been probably getting glazed by shaggy pt and they're going in putting too much

496
00:43:50,582 --> 00:43:57,042
money into a paper bitcoin treasury company or a bitcoin miner and they're trading the momentum

497
00:43:57,042 --> 00:44:05,022
and then this goes bad quickly or it's handled bad quickly sometimes and um it's causing them to

498
00:44:05,022 --> 00:44:12,742
crash out so i don't know about richard but like in my experience like my interactions i am more

499
00:44:12,742 --> 00:44:20,502
talking to and like interacting with people who they're not really traitors they they they did

500
00:44:20,502 --> 00:44:25,622
take the advice that you gave which is you know listen to podcasts stay humble stacks ads

501
00:44:25,622 --> 00:44:32,762
dame the information the conviction and they did they do they didn't do that um and they thought

502
00:44:32,762 --> 00:44:37,822
that because they did that because they did the right thing or they followed the the

503
00:44:37,822 --> 00:44:45,942
the template that you laid out they thought that after water two side holes if they did that

504
00:44:45,942 --> 00:44:51,542
they're like it's gonna be great they're gonna be wealthy they're gonna be able to buy chairs again

505
00:44:51,542 --> 00:44:56,902
they're gonna be able to go on carvana and buy their car back that they sold for sets at the top

506
00:44:56,902 --> 00:45:03,622
in 2021 they thought that uh they're gonna have way more time and they're gonna be able to still

507
00:45:03,622 --> 00:45:19,324
They afford a house even though they said the real estate was a shit coin on Spaces or Twitter the years prior And they take out to where they are now And they not Their wives are not all their problems are fixed and they not as happy as they thought they would be

508
00:45:19,584 --> 00:45:21,064
And they ask why they're crashing now.

509
00:45:22,204 --> 00:45:28,964
Is this just a, is this a lower your time preference scenario, or is this a deeper problem?

510
00:45:31,504 --> 00:45:35,364
I mean, you can never lower your time preference enough.

511
00:45:35,364 --> 00:45:41,504
All these forces are causing you to have a higher time preference

512
00:45:41,504 --> 00:45:46,584
And get more anxiety and greater expectations

513
00:45:46,584 --> 00:45:49,604
And that's the root of all the problems

514
00:45:49,604 --> 00:45:57,784
You know, I think it's a real important counterbalance

515
00:45:57,784 --> 00:46:02,384
To keep yourself sane, to keep it simple

516
00:46:02,384 --> 00:46:04,664
And stay humble and stack sets

517
00:46:04,664 --> 00:46:07,444
That's really the only way to go.

518
00:46:07,544 --> 00:46:11,844
The treasury company thing is just an outrageous gamble.

519
00:46:12,804 --> 00:46:27,964
And somehow that got sort of accepted for a summer as the way to go to accelerate and amplify your Bitcoin ascent.

520
00:46:28,584 --> 00:46:30,764
And a lot of people got wrecked.

521
00:46:30,764 --> 00:46:38,464
and they fucked around and they found out they learned the hard way again,

522
00:46:39,664 --> 00:46:41,524
this is the journey.

523
00:46:42,064 --> 00:46:51,224
It's stepping off of that path and stepping onto a path of focus and patience

524
00:46:51,224 --> 00:46:59,624
and, you know, filling your time with learning and your 40 hours.

525
00:47:00,764 --> 00:47:09,824
well you know like to be fair about paper bitcoin there are a lot of people out there that are just

526
00:47:09,824 --> 00:47:15,484
paper people in general like they like they like paper assets all the assets they own are paper

527
00:47:15,484 --> 00:47:24,084
essentially they have paper dollars they've got paper um stocks they've got you know they like to

528
00:47:24,084 --> 00:47:31,204
trade the paper gold and silver stocks, you know, they come into the Bitcoin world and they

529
00:47:31,204 --> 00:47:39,124
start hearing about paper Bitcoin. They're like, wow, paper Bitcoin fixes paper assets.

530
00:47:40,524 --> 00:47:47,804
And like a lot of Bitcoin people that historically have gotten very excited about it, you know,

531
00:47:47,804 --> 00:47:53,824
they're more like a hard asset type people. Like they like their sovereignty, they're a little bit

532
00:47:53,824 --> 00:47:55,084
more predisposed.

533
00:47:55,504 --> 00:47:56,884
But the paper Bitcoin people,

534
00:47:57,444 --> 00:48:00,644
they like to have their hand held for them

535
00:48:00,644 --> 00:48:02,104
to a certain degree.

536
00:48:02,224 --> 00:48:05,944
They're just, they're cut from a different cloth.

537
00:48:07,164 --> 00:48:08,944
Yeah, but they got wrecked.

538
00:48:10,124 --> 00:48:11,104
But that's...

539
00:48:11,104 --> 00:48:12,224
Not the pipe investors.

540
00:48:12,904 --> 00:48:14,024
I mean, you know, I mean,

541
00:48:14,024 --> 00:48:16,904
like we unfortunately have, you know,

542
00:48:17,024 --> 00:48:20,484
at least seven, eight months or a year

543
00:48:20,484 --> 00:48:23,684
of history to look at now.

544
00:48:23,824 --> 00:48:35,184
And some of these things have just imploded and they've been, you know, it's fine if your orientation is towards paper.

545
00:48:35,684 --> 00:48:40,764
But I think it's hard to ignore the results at this point.

546
00:48:41,064 --> 00:48:44,104
And what of the broken promise?

547
00:48:44,104 --> 00:48:53,444
I mean, it's great if the paper solves the problem that the Bitcoin solves, but the paper doesn't solve that problem.

548
00:48:53,824 --> 00:49:00,024
And I think they were able to sort of spin that narrative.

549
00:49:00,904 --> 00:49:03,544
I don't know if that works anymore.

550
00:49:03,544 --> 00:49:13,264
I think we would have to see a whole paper spring revival in order to reassess that.

551
00:49:13,404 --> 00:49:16,504
I think it's pretty nuked at this point, isn't it?

552
00:49:17,204 --> 00:49:21,644
But why are you criticizing companies that are buying Bitcoin and not the ones that don't?

553
00:49:21,644 --> 00:49:29,044
oh i don't get me wrong i'm not criticizing the companies that buy bitcoin i i just think that

554
00:49:29,044 --> 00:49:35,444
it's kind of silly to buy the stocks of those companies so you know that's that's where where

555
00:49:35,444 --> 00:49:45,584
plebs get burned boys you know this is what the plebs need to learn right is and one of my my

556
00:49:45,584 --> 00:49:55,124
a.i. swap hit songs this summer was uh was called paper made men and it is

557
00:49:55,124 --> 00:50:05,224
plebs are are following people like michael saylor people like david daly um who are paper made men

558
00:50:06,344 --> 00:50:14,304
they are they have achieved the status the wealth the power everything that they've got today

559
00:50:14,304 --> 00:50:25,344
um paper games through uh paper assets and trading paper uh cooking the books um

560
00:50:25,344 --> 00:50:34,044
you do paper this paper that paper over the problems um in so vets like that is it worked

561
00:50:34,044 --> 00:50:39,784
for them to a certain extent they they obviously you know sales billionaires got the most bitcoin

562
00:50:39,784 --> 00:50:42,004
as anybody. The plebs were like,

563
00:50:42,104 --> 00:50:43,604
I'm going to follow that same path.

564
00:50:43,684 --> 00:50:45,784
Instead of glazing their own trail,

565
00:50:46,324 --> 00:50:47,184
becoming pioneers,

566
00:50:47,644 --> 00:50:49,924
they tried to follow in the footsteps

567
00:50:49,924 --> 00:50:50,924
of paper-made men,

568
00:50:51,364 --> 00:50:53,664
and they are

569
00:50:53,664 --> 00:50:55,264
finding out that they're just not cut

570
00:50:55,264 --> 00:50:57,884
from, you know, they're just not cut out

571
00:50:57,884 --> 00:50:59,724
to be paper-made men themselves.

572
00:51:01,404 --> 00:51:02,004
And they

573
00:51:02,004 --> 00:51:03,184
laid you in the work of that.

574
00:51:03,184 --> 00:51:05,104
How many of those people do you think are going to

575
00:51:05,104 --> 00:51:07,684
How many of those men do you think

576
00:51:07,684 --> 00:51:09,324
are going to find their way to

577
00:51:09,784 --> 00:51:12,284
to learning coin control and running a note

578
00:51:12,284 --> 00:51:21,084
none of them they usually crash out or get rug pulled and go broke before they ever get to that

579
00:51:21,084 --> 00:51:27,924
point they're they're just paper plebs at the end they they prefer the paper assets over real

580
00:51:27,924 --> 00:51:32,924
hard assets because their responsibility comes with it they don't have to learn coin control

581
00:51:32,924 --> 00:51:38,844
they don't have to worry about oh i gotta consolidate my utxos they don't have to worry

582
00:51:38,844 --> 00:51:46,744
about oh do i run knots or do i run core i think glory is hot but i think spam is bad i have to

583
00:51:46,744 --> 00:51:53,384
make a decision here oh great i downloaded core v30 and now if i don't up you know i i might lose

584
00:51:53,384 --> 00:51:59,524
i might lose my wallet it's just so it's scary it's a lot of responsibility it's a lot of personal

585
00:51:59,524 --> 00:52:04,744
responsibility it's a lot of self-awareness required it's got to understand your

586
00:52:04,744 --> 00:52:15,244
cognitive and uh your abilities to to solve the and navigate the terrible ux of any secure system

587
00:52:15,244 --> 00:52:21,904
but we talked about earlier uh you gotta worry about privacy you gotta worry about i mean the

588
00:52:21,904 --> 00:52:29,864
list goes on with paper bitcoin you just gotta go on the robin headed search for nstr and then hit

589
00:52:29,864 --> 00:52:30,544
Bye.

590
00:52:31,604 --> 00:52:33,244
Yeah, I mean, it's compelling.

591
00:52:33,664 --> 00:52:36,044
That's some pretty good UX.

592
00:52:37,264 --> 00:52:46,704
But I mean, it's where I wonder if the paper Bitcoin is a threat to Bitcoin

593
00:52:46,704 --> 00:52:53,104
because how many of these paper plebs are going to get wrecked

594
00:52:53,104 --> 00:52:57,044
and then leave Bitcoin altogether

595
00:52:57,044 --> 00:53:01,124
where if we didn't have the paper Bitcoin,

596
00:53:01,484 --> 00:53:05,104
those people might have found real Bitcoin instead

597
00:53:05,104 --> 00:53:06,884
and not gotten wrecked.

598
00:53:07,344 --> 00:53:12,164
Well, this is why Albus Huxley's Brave New World

599
00:53:12,164 --> 00:53:13,684
is such a good book, right?

600
00:53:14,504 --> 00:53:19,064
Because the way Orwellian totalitarian control

601
00:53:19,064 --> 00:53:22,424
comes into existence is through good UX,

602
00:53:23,064 --> 00:53:25,564
through convenience, through pleasure.

603
00:53:25,564 --> 00:53:30,724
and the paper Bitcoin is the good UX.

604
00:53:32,404 --> 00:53:32,464
Yeah.

605
00:53:33,324 --> 00:53:34,824
It's the Soma, right?

606
00:53:35,084 --> 00:53:36,404
Paper Bitcoin is the Soma.

607
00:53:37,104 --> 00:53:42,784
But maybe you asked a question that makes me wonder

608
00:53:42,784 --> 00:53:47,864
if paper Bitcoin is a, what you say, a threat for Bitcoin.

609
00:53:48,924 --> 00:53:54,904
And I think there's a compelling argument for or against that being true or not.

610
00:53:55,564 --> 00:53:59,884
But it kind of really depends on the framing of the conversation.

611
00:54:00,744 --> 00:54:05,284
If you were to say that, you think it might be a threat.

612
00:54:05,604 --> 00:54:07,684
But how do you define a threat to what?

613
00:54:07,904 --> 00:54:08,684
A threat to Bitcoin?

614
00:54:08,684 --> 00:54:10,464
A threat to Bitcoiners?

615
00:54:10,464 --> 00:54:23,324
We used to say that the shit coins would, you know, take people away from, take a certain number of eyeballs away from Bitcoin.

616
00:54:23,324 --> 00:54:27,184
that if the shit coins weren't around,

617
00:54:27,664 --> 00:54:31,284
there would be more participants in the Bitcoin space.

618
00:54:32,224 --> 00:54:38,124
So now, maybe especially after a year of a crab market,

619
00:54:38,564 --> 00:54:40,724
we can look back and we can say,

620
00:54:40,724 --> 00:54:46,164
okay, this overlaps with the paper Bitcoin summer.

621
00:54:46,864 --> 00:54:49,264
And is it possible that the paper Bitcoin summer

622
00:54:49,264 --> 00:54:53,964
is partly to blame for the crab market

623
00:54:53,964 --> 00:54:57,364
and that the price of Bitcoin,

624
00:54:57,544 --> 00:55:00,904
which is determined by people buying and selling

625
00:55:00,904 --> 00:55:04,244
on order books and exchanges,

626
00:55:04,964 --> 00:55:08,704
it's not the treasury companies buying over the counter,

627
00:55:10,204 --> 00:55:13,684
that maybe there's a correlation there.

628
00:55:13,684 --> 00:55:16,384
And so it's not that it's a threat.

629
00:55:16,384 --> 00:55:23,284
it's just put it on the giant pile of things that are an attack on bitcoin you know distraction

630
00:55:23,284 --> 00:55:27,444
it's a distraction i mean the honey badger doesn't really care but

631
00:55:27,444 --> 00:55:36,364
we'll add that realist of attacks on bitcoin so it's it's almost like the way that i'll hear

632
00:55:36,364 --> 00:55:40,624
people describe it because people will argue with you and they'll say well no that's not the reason

633
00:55:40,624 --> 00:55:49,004
for the crab market or it's the reason that the the volatility to the downside wasn't worse this

634
00:55:49,004 --> 00:55:55,424
time around is because of paper bitcoin and it sounds it is remind me of the people who

635
00:55:55,424 --> 00:56:00,544
were big uh you know they bought into the hype and they were big advocates for the

636
00:56:00,544 --> 00:56:07,064
the jab and then when it turned out to be a big nothing burger it didn't really give us

637
00:56:07,064 --> 00:56:12,584
It was at best worthless, at worst, very, very harmful.

638
00:56:14,464 --> 00:56:20,764
But they'll say, well, you know, if I got the booster, so it means I didn't die.

639
00:56:20,964 --> 00:56:21,904
It could have been worse.

640
00:56:21,904 --> 00:56:30,564
And it's like they say that all paid for Bitcoin prevented the downside from being worse because there were so many treasury companies just buying every single thing.

641
00:56:32,284 --> 00:56:34,984
I'm not going to discount that theory.

642
00:56:34,984 --> 00:56:39,724
I think that's actually a pretty compelling theory.

643
00:56:41,064 --> 00:56:42,464
Crab market it is.

644
00:56:42,724 --> 00:56:44,064
Max Payne, I told you guys.

645
00:56:45,064 --> 00:56:47,144
We need more crab market memes,

646
00:56:47,604 --> 00:56:49,864
and we need to be talking more about coin control.

647
00:56:51,444 --> 00:56:54,084
We're just in a very different economic time

648
00:56:54,084 --> 00:56:57,784
than I think we've been in Bitcoin's history,

649
00:56:58,024 --> 00:57:01,324
where I don't think the plebs have ever been

650
00:57:01,324 --> 00:57:05,224
in our lifetimes in a rougher spot.

651
00:57:05,444 --> 00:57:10,364
Like they had to make the decision, many of them, this Christmas

652
00:57:10,364 --> 00:57:12,844
on whether they were going to buy Christmas presents

653
00:57:12,844 --> 00:57:15,344
or they were going to be able to afford their taxes.

654
00:57:17,344 --> 00:57:20,544
And that was a pretty tough decision, you know, that many of the plebs made.

655
00:57:20,544 --> 00:57:27,744
Like they are not sitting around, you know, bored, smash buying,

656
00:57:27,744 --> 00:57:31,464
posting their stack chain posts anymore

657
00:57:31,464 --> 00:57:33,224
because they're slaving away.

658
00:57:33,604 --> 00:57:35,784
Some of them are driving Uber after working

659
00:57:35,784 --> 00:57:38,244
eight, nine hours a day

660
00:57:38,244 --> 00:57:39,964
to be able to afford their taxes.

661
00:57:41,664 --> 00:57:44,904
It's a very different economic time for sure.

662
00:57:47,184 --> 00:57:49,344
Well, it's undoubtedly

663
00:57:49,344 --> 00:57:53,644
your dollar buys you less Bitcoin now.

664
00:57:54,264 --> 00:57:57,404
So you can stack less.

665
00:57:57,744 --> 00:58:02,604
and the cost of living is relentless.

666
00:58:03,504 --> 00:58:04,524
It just keeps going.

667
00:58:04,684 --> 00:58:08,744
I don't even want to tell you how much I paid per pound for my ribeye last time.

668
00:58:09,664 --> 00:58:12,284
You know, it's brutal out here in California.

669
00:58:13,044 --> 00:58:17,284
But basically, you got to do what you got to do.

670
00:58:18,204 --> 00:58:21,424
Some people got to, you know, drive the Ubers,

671
00:58:21,424 --> 00:58:26,324
and other people are vibe coding,

672
00:58:26,484 --> 00:58:29,524
trying to strike it rich with a vibe coded app.

673
00:58:30,964 --> 00:58:33,344
It's tough times.

674
00:58:33,984 --> 00:58:34,624
So you're right.

675
00:58:34,924 --> 00:58:37,564
I think this is new territory for a lot of people.

676
00:58:38,544 --> 00:58:43,684
I think that we're going to be going into a worse economy.

677
00:58:44,884 --> 00:58:47,204
So buckle up.

678
00:58:47,704 --> 00:58:49,084
Stay humble, buckle up.

679
00:58:49,084 --> 00:58:55,164
well you know the plebs are going to have to figure out so you know we're really on this

680
00:58:55,164 --> 00:59:01,084
precipice i think of self-driving vehicles becoming proliferated like you already see

681
00:59:01,084 --> 00:59:08,284
the waymos driving around in certain places uh it you know what are they going to do if you know

682
00:59:08,284 --> 00:59:11,284
they get off work they've been working full time

683
00:59:11,284 --> 00:59:18,064
they can't drive uber anymore because they have a self-driving car doing it like how are they going

684
00:59:18,064 --> 00:59:21,084
to afford their taxes and what's going to be the fallout of this.

685
00:59:21,604 --> 00:59:22,684
What are the plebs going to do?

686
00:59:24,364 --> 00:59:26,444
They're probably not going to listen to Bitcoin podcasts.

687
00:59:26,824 --> 00:59:28,504
They just bought their paper Bitcoin.

688
00:59:29,724 --> 00:59:37,824
Paper Bitcoin summer ends next summer with just like a, just a collapse into paper Bitcoin

689
00:59:37,824 --> 00:59:38,584
fall and winter.

690
00:59:41,024 --> 00:59:42,244
What are the plebs going to do?

691
00:59:42,244 --> 00:59:50,524
clearly i think it's about prediction markets i think prediction markets are the next attack

692
00:59:50,524 --> 00:59:59,624
on bitcoin podcasts and uh that's what about prediction markets built on bitcoin

693
00:59:59,624 --> 01:00:04,244
well let's see it i mean

694
01:00:04,244 --> 01:00:12,864
greetings you you've got to uh no kyc you've got to just ask claude code nicely

695
01:00:12,864 --> 01:00:19,764
well i'm saying one one exists yeah i i think the the the um

696
01:00:19,764 --> 01:00:26,824
the prediction markets are like the best thing that would ever could ever happen to podcasters

697
01:00:26,824 --> 01:00:32,684
and podcasting they're gonna sponsor they're gonna sponsor a lot of podcast

698
01:00:32,684 --> 01:00:43,844
Yeah. Well, it's it's not even about them sponsoring podcasts. It's the podcasters using them because the podcasters that actually have signal and actually know what's going on in the world.

699
01:00:44,744 --> 01:00:48,224
Are going to be able to make money off of these prediction markets, right?

700
01:00:49,044 --> 01:00:54,104
All their macro insights that they got, they're going to apply it to actual bets.

701
01:00:54,104 --> 01:01:02,604
And so instead of needing a KYC Bitcoin exchange to sponsor you, you kind of earn money by actually having alpha, right?

702
01:01:02,684 --> 01:01:07,564
Like betting over under how many times coin control is mentioned in the podcast?

703
01:01:08,424 --> 01:01:09,384
That could be one of them.

704
01:01:09,384 --> 01:01:15,884
It used to be the Nancy Pelosi, Congress senators.

705
01:01:16,284 --> 01:01:24,184
They had the inside information, the privileged position to be able to insider trade, and they've made fortunes off of it.

706
01:01:24,184 --> 01:01:30,964
if you listen 40 hours per week you can it feels you you feel like you could predict the future

707
01:01:30,964 --> 01:01:36,464
because you start to see things form and happen and you're like oh i i know how this is going to

708
01:01:36,464 --> 01:01:42,904
play out and so now podcasters and podcast listeners are able to inside trade and use

709
01:01:42,904 --> 01:01:50,644
prediction markets to to make money because they marvel the situation so intently that they know

710
01:01:50,644 --> 01:01:55,124
everything that's going on and they're just absolutely front around the plaids like e

711
01:01:55,124 --> 01:02:01,684
creations who were just out there throwing money on the prediction markets just making bets off of

712
01:02:01,684 --> 01:02:08,284
vibes and and and feelings and they're just getting absolutely taken to take it in the

713
01:02:08,284 --> 01:02:15,504
woodshed by podcast listeners yeah and that's all that's all uh it's less money going towards

714
01:02:15,504 --> 01:02:22,924
sats, I'll tell you that. No, it's incredible. I mean, isn't this like Max Kaiser's casino gulag he

715
01:02:22,924 --> 01:02:28,004
was always talking about? Isn't that kind of something? Like this is sort of coming together

716
01:02:28,004 --> 01:02:36,444
where people are going to have the digital ID and the digital money, the CBDC, Tether, whatever it is,

717
01:02:36,444 --> 01:02:43,124
and then their life through their little AI assistant is going to be gamified. So they're

718
01:02:43,124 --> 01:02:49,844
basically like earning little points to buy their their their rations for the day or whatever

719
01:02:49,844 --> 01:02:56,804
and the whole system's gonna orient around see this is what to me this is what this is where

720
01:02:56,804 --> 01:03:04,364
we're headed i mean am i way off no no tp on because i think that is i think that's

721
01:03:04,364 --> 01:03:13,644
and there's an element there but the i mean you say that it'll take money away from bitcoin but

722
01:03:13,644 --> 01:03:24,624
it's like what if you trade prediction markets to earn more bitcoin i see it cross-pollinating with

723
01:03:24,624 --> 01:03:31,524
the point of view life kind of content creation that we see.

724
01:03:32,124 --> 01:03:37,284
So people are already sharing so much of their life with other people

725
01:03:37,284 --> 01:03:42,164
through video and audio and streaming and all this stuff.

726
01:03:42,624 --> 01:03:49,884
So then that can easily tie in with all these other streams of data

727
01:03:49,884 --> 01:03:55,504
and you're gamifying it and you're earning your UBI

728
01:03:55,504 --> 01:04:02,084
or maybe you're taking your UBI and you're leveraging it and gambling with it

729
01:04:02,084 --> 01:04:06,884
so you could get a whole bunch more if you win or you get wrecked if you lose

730
01:04:06,884 --> 01:04:11,584
and everyone's kind of living their day that way.

731
01:04:11,704 --> 01:04:13,464
And then most people don't have to have jobs.

732
01:04:13,464 --> 01:04:20,244
they're doing tasks or fulfilling certain quotas of activity online.

733
01:04:20,524 --> 01:04:23,124
And then that's all monetized.

734
01:04:23,384 --> 01:04:26,304
And that's what the future economy looks like.

735
01:04:27,444 --> 01:04:31,924
Like people's full-time jobs will be doing the Coinbase courses

736
01:04:31,924 --> 01:04:36,084
to learn about the different cryptocurrencies that Coinbase is trying to show.

737
01:04:36,084 --> 01:04:39,984
Exactly. You could see plebs doing coin control workshops

738
01:04:39,984 --> 01:04:44,284
and, you know, could do all kinds of neat stuff like that.

739
01:04:45,724 --> 01:04:50,464
You'd be learning about SushiSwap on Coinbase or whatever it is.

740
01:04:51,684 --> 01:04:56,204
You could replace Social Security with prediction markets, polymarket.

741
01:04:58,644 --> 01:05:01,924
I see life insurance coming into play here somewhere too.

742
01:05:04,044 --> 01:05:04,364
Watch out.

743
01:05:04,364 --> 01:05:12,004
person well we we had this prediction uh a while ago that they were going to when they eliminate

744
01:05:12,004 --> 01:05:17,064
social security when they decide to do that what they're going to do is i think michael dell was

745
01:05:17,064 --> 01:05:21,764
kind of hinting at this with his program what they're going to do is they're going to issue

746
01:05:21,764 --> 01:05:26,184
instead of issuing everybody's social security number they're going to issue everybody a meme

747
01:05:26,184 --> 01:05:35,964
coin right and so their their retirement is going to ultimately be on based on the value of their

748
01:05:35,964 --> 01:05:44,504
own unique meme coin that is issued to them and so you know you you increase the value of your

749
01:05:44,504 --> 01:05:53,264
meme coin through via virality and online engagement so there's like a direct it's kind

750
01:05:53,264 --> 01:05:56,404
It's kind of like government issued BitClap, essentially.

751
01:05:56,864 --> 01:06:00,564
Yeah, you're trying to become like Mr. Beast so you can retire.

752
01:06:01,944 --> 01:06:02,604
Yeah, exactly.

753
01:06:02,904 --> 01:06:05,924
And the engagement is monetized.

754
01:06:06,364 --> 01:06:10,884
So there's a feedback loop there that everyone gets plugged into.

755
01:06:10,884 --> 01:06:16,964
And of course, you're going to have, you know, 10 or 20 percent of people thrive in that system.

756
01:06:17,144 --> 01:06:21,884
And everybody else is going to be treading water or getting completely wrecked.

757
01:06:23,264 --> 01:06:26,404
Because that feedback loop works both directions.

758
01:06:26,884 --> 01:06:30,464
It could be a negative incentive driver too.

759
01:06:32,144 --> 01:06:37,004
Is the getting wrecked, is that just relative to other people?

760
01:06:37,004 --> 01:06:50,064
Or do you think things are going to be substantially improving for the broader population like they have over the last 500 years due to advances in technology?

761
01:06:50,064 --> 01:07:01,164
or we kind of plateaued in that regard no no we peaked in like probably 1999 you know it's been

762
01:07:01,164 --> 01:07:09,684
all downhill for a while and uh you guys you guys notice this it's the slopification of everything

763
01:07:09,684 --> 01:07:16,984
right we we're we're we're in a society with higher and higher time preference

764
01:07:16,984 --> 01:07:23,204
with a shorter attention span and living less healthy

765
01:07:23,204 --> 01:07:30,984
and participating in a system that's stealing from us constantly.

766
01:07:31,604 --> 01:07:35,224
And you see the whole society kind of unwinding.

767
01:07:35,224 --> 01:07:39,744
I think it gets a lot weirder from here before it bottoms out and gets better.

768
01:07:40,364 --> 01:07:44,724
So you're going to see more people incentivized

769
01:07:44,724 --> 01:08:01,366
to have a higher and higher time preference which makes them behave in a more and more risky way i do believe that i think that that a bit predictable because of human nature so i think it gets weirder and sloppier

770
01:08:01,366 --> 01:08:08,626
um for for a bit longer i don't think we've bottomed yet

771
01:08:08,626 --> 01:08:17,266
how so yeah i the sloth tsunami there's still waves of that coming

772
01:08:17,266 --> 01:08:28,426
so that means that the the future that our destiny whatever it is um is is either going to be

773
01:08:28,426 --> 01:08:36,086
permanently slopped it's like noah's art the globe is going to be flooded with slop

774
01:08:36,086 --> 01:08:45,586
perhaps forever or we're going to clean up the slop and we're going to get we're going to get

775
01:08:45,586 --> 01:08:49,486
focused again we're going to lock in again we're going to get a patient we're gonna

776
01:08:49,486 --> 01:08:58,286
optimize our time preference optimize our uh incentives i mean let's see we have to do that

777
01:08:58,286 --> 01:09:11,406
to survive so do you see any tool any technology any hope that things will get less sloppy any time

778
01:09:11,406 --> 01:09:20,226
soon well there it is again you gotta you gotta follow the signal for that right because if you

779
01:09:20,226 --> 01:09:27,126
just open your eyes enough and you study enough you watch enough hours of podcasts

780
01:09:27,126 --> 01:09:29,206
you start living different.

781
01:09:29,406 --> 01:09:33,886
I think it's something everyone who's involved with Bitcoin for enough time,

782
01:09:34,366 --> 01:09:38,306
once you go down the rabbit hole and some years start passing,

783
01:09:38,666 --> 01:09:40,446
you notice yourself change.

784
01:09:41,186 --> 01:09:43,066
And you change in a variety of ways.

785
01:09:43,066 --> 01:09:44,586
And you start living better.

786
01:09:45,246 --> 01:09:50,486
So that's what you can do to elevate yourself from slop,

787
01:09:51,286 --> 01:09:56,706
is you have to become better at perceiving it and avoiding it.

788
01:09:57,126 --> 01:10:00,426
and identifying the signal and moving closer to that instead.

789
01:10:01,726 --> 01:10:03,666
Everyone else, I don't know.

790
01:10:04,326 --> 01:10:07,266
I think a lot of people aren't going to make it.

791
01:10:08,886 --> 01:10:11,106
So what do you think the feds experience,

792
01:10:11,526 --> 01:10:17,446
the ones that have been sent to infiltrate and either monitor or, you know,

793
01:10:17,506 --> 01:10:20,126
influence or disrupt this ecosystem?

794
01:10:20,126 --> 01:10:23,586
Like, you know, they have to listen to the podcast too, right?

795
01:10:24,206 --> 01:10:25,506
They have to go to the meetups.

796
01:10:25,506 --> 01:10:29,646
they have to you know go to the conferences and they have all these interactions and they're

797
01:10:29,646 --> 01:10:38,746
hanging out talking with the plebs about you know whatever they you know heard on podcasts they're

798
01:10:38,746 --> 01:10:44,326
being exposed to this information do you think that it's influencing them in the same ways

799
01:10:44,326 --> 01:10:51,646
or are they not reaping the benefits of just like a good natured like interested curious individual

800
01:10:51,646 --> 01:11:14,346
Yeah, I think it's inevitable that a lot of individuals that work with the feds or work with various government agencies, I think they are going to over time realize the strengths of Bitcoin and what it can do, the superpowers that it grants those that actually hold their own keys.

801
01:11:15,666 --> 01:11:19,526
That's something that we all learn along our journey.

802
01:11:19,526 --> 01:11:40,706
So I imagine people in those agencies are going to individually discover those things. And one day there will be enough individuals that sway the perspective of the whole institution. And that's when we're in hyper-Bitcoinization, as they used to call it.

803
01:11:40,706 --> 01:11:46,106
yeah i mean i don't know i mean i feel like there's a certain type of personality and

804
01:11:46,106 --> 01:11:53,386
persuasion that that a lot of these these feds have which is they're they're so loyal

805
01:11:53,386 --> 01:11:58,166
to the system and i think it's just like there's a minority of ones that

806
01:11:58,166 --> 01:12:06,826
that kind of break out of that um like i almost wonder if they're going to be more directed

807
01:12:06,826 --> 01:12:11,606
like maybe what paper Bitcoin's really an attack on is us orange pilling the

808
01:12:11,606 --> 01:12:15,346
feds at the end of the day is because,

809
01:12:15,506 --> 01:12:15,866
you know,

810
01:12:15,946 --> 01:12:23,646
paper Bitcoin is the solution to having all these defects or all these feds

811
01:12:23,646 --> 01:12:30,606
defecting from the system and becoming based Citadel running Giga Chad

812
01:12:30,606 --> 01:12:33,346
pioneers.

813
01:12:33,346 --> 01:12:37,846
Yeah, I just look at it as a new technology.

814
01:12:38,186 --> 01:12:46,986
It's, you know, you go back enough decades and we didn't have email everywhere and it was just a small number of people using it.

815
01:12:47,466 --> 01:12:54,486
And a lot of people didn't see what the big deal was and why they should care.

816
01:12:54,486 --> 01:13:04,046
And then the advantages that that technology brought, eventually people discovered their need for it.

817
01:13:04,046 --> 01:13:16,706
So I see Bitcoin in the same kind of way. We're living in times where there's big changes with the monetary global order and Bitcoin is becoming more relevant.

818
01:13:16,706 --> 01:13:34,346
And so maybe it's a faraway thing, but I do think eventually everyone discovers the obvious advantages of the technology and are going to find their own selfish reasons for using it.

819
01:13:35,946 --> 01:13:37,266
Well, what's got you excited, TC?

820
01:13:37,266 --> 01:13:49,686
What's got me excited is all of the fun new things happening in Bitcoin over the last year or so.

821
01:13:50,126 --> 01:13:57,486
I tend to pay attention to the evolution of Bitcoin's layers.

822
01:13:58,166 --> 01:14:01,886
I really like all the eCash stuff.

823
01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:04,566
I'm interested in ARK.

824
01:14:05,566 --> 01:14:07,126
I like Lightning a lot.

825
01:14:07,266 --> 01:14:10,326
So all that's got me excited.

826
01:14:11,486 --> 01:14:14,506
And I'm excited because it's a new year.

827
01:14:15,866 --> 01:14:25,406
Another chance to fire up a new exercise routine and dig in and build.

828
01:14:27,426 --> 01:14:30,506
You still doing 100 push-ups until 100K?

829
01:14:31,626 --> 01:14:32,706
Of course.

830
01:14:34,206 --> 01:14:37,006
Did you stop after we went above 100K?

831
01:14:37,266 --> 01:14:43,086
Yeah, I stopped and then I started again.

832
01:14:43,946 --> 01:14:46,826
But it's good for you.

833
01:14:46,986 --> 01:14:47,866
I recommend it.

834
01:14:48,026 --> 01:14:49,006
All plebs should do that.

835
01:14:51,026 --> 01:14:51,506
Absolutely.

836
01:14:53,786 --> 01:14:58,746
And people know you for the time chain calendar.

837
01:14:59,686 --> 01:15:02,186
And you've got new things coming.

838
01:15:02,646 --> 01:15:06,086
You've got some exciting announcements that you'll be making soon.

839
01:15:06,086 --> 01:15:13,286
but if maybe you already know about it maybe you've never heard the time chain calendar

840
01:15:13,286 --> 01:15:22,466
instead of explaining the concept of it i think people should go and see it for themselves and

841
01:15:22,466 --> 01:15:31,526
just take the time take the time to meditate on on the time chain calendar and look at the design

842
01:15:31,526 --> 01:15:41,086
But can you explain why are you putting so much of your time into building this?

843
01:15:41,486 --> 01:15:46,326
Why are you putting so much of your time into expanding this and to bringing it to more people?

844
01:15:47,166 --> 01:15:56,546
What is so special about a calendar that documents each block that gets mined for Bitcoin?

845
01:15:56,546 --> 01:15:58,906
What is that that fascinates you?

846
01:15:58,906 --> 01:16:01,206
and why are you so interested in that?

847
01:16:03,046 --> 01:16:04,446
Two words, Rod.

848
01:16:05,106 --> 01:16:08,686
It's Bitcoin awareness.

849
01:16:09,826 --> 01:16:11,286
That's what this is about.

850
01:16:12,386 --> 01:16:14,966
This is about Bitcoin awareness.

851
01:16:16,466 --> 01:16:20,306
You know, you see the big number on your screen,

852
01:16:20,806 --> 01:16:23,266
the latest block that's been added to the chain.

853
01:16:24,406 --> 01:16:27,086
That's where you are.

854
01:16:27,086 --> 01:16:30,406
that's when you are in relation to Bitcoin.

855
01:16:31,186 --> 01:16:34,186
So I draw these circles on your screen

856
01:16:34,186 --> 01:16:37,386
to give you a focus,

857
01:16:37,386 --> 01:16:39,846
to give you that signal,

858
01:16:40,606 --> 01:16:42,566
your Bitcoin awareness.

859
01:16:42,886 --> 01:16:44,326
When the block changes,

860
01:16:45,146 --> 01:16:46,526
you're not going to miss it.

861
01:16:47,266 --> 01:16:49,646
You get a big animation

862
01:16:49,646 --> 01:16:53,166
making sure that you are aware

863
01:16:53,166 --> 01:16:54,406
that a new block came.

864
01:16:54,966 --> 01:16:55,446
And that's it.

865
01:16:55,786 --> 01:16:56,846
It's what it's all about.

866
01:16:57,086 --> 01:16:58,126
Bitcoin awareness.

867
01:16:58,306 --> 01:17:02,086
I'm interested in fostering that in people.

868
01:17:02,586 --> 01:17:09,286
I think if more people are aware of Bitcoin, they will all be benefited from it.

869
01:17:10,526 --> 01:17:19,946
Awareness of Bitcoin and awareness of, like you said, like those maps where you go into a mall and it's got to a map.

870
01:17:20,026 --> 01:17:20,986
It says you are here.

871
01:17:20,986 --> 01:17:26,006
and so you go the you look at the you look at bitcoin you look at representation

872
01:17:26,006 --> 01:17:34,286
with all of its history all of its data all of its uh time all of the compressed time

873
01:17:34,286 --> 01:17:41,806
into the system and you are here this is a reference point for where you are in relation

874
01:17:41,806 --> 01:17:48,706
to every block that came before it every block that's going to come after it but right now

875
01:17:48,706 --> 01:17:53,386
be aware of what's here right in front of you.

876
01:17:55,226 --> 01:17:57,186
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of mind-blowing.

877
01:17:57,466 --> 01:17:59,966
Bitcoin just had its 17th birthday.

878
01:18:03,346 --> 01:18:05,386
You know, that's...

879
01:18:05,386 --> 01:18:08,066
It's almost too old for Prince Andrew.

880
01:18:08,066 --> 01:18:09,606
That's less than half of my life.

881
01:18:11,766 --> 01:18:17,566
But I think as I watch a block hit right there

882
01:18:17,566 --> 01:18:18,606
when I'm speaking,

883
01:18:18,706 --> 01:18:30,286
I find it really amazing to start paying attention to Bitcoin these last several years.

884
01:18:30,846 --> 01:18:33,766
And like I said, it changes you.

885
01:18:34,906 --> 01:18:39,366
It absolutely causes you to change as a person.

886
01:18:40,186 --> 01:18:45,166
And I think it's important for people to pay attention to Bitcoin itself.

887
01:18:45,166 --> 01:18:54,206
So if I can draw some circles on your screen and help you see it, then I feel like I've done my job.

888
01:18:56,206 --> 01:18:59,006
Have you ever thought about putting tits on your website?

889
01:19:01,526 --> 01:19:02,486
Of course.

890
01:19:03,866 --> 01:19:12,046
There is a very simple version one function on there for customizing the interface.

891
01:19:12,046 --> 01:19:15,086
And it does let you put a picture into the interface.

892
01:19:15,166 --> 01:19:22,786
I'll teach you guys how to do it it's pretty fun uh maybe after the show but um I'm gonna update

893
01:19:22,786 --> 01:19:28,526
that and make it a little bit easier to access for anyone and and you are welcome to put tits

894
01:19:28,526 --> 01:19:34,766
on your time chain calendar that's that's something I actually encourage you to customize it that way

895
01:19:34,766 --> 01:19:41,246
well if if there's one thing that brings awareness to to like a brand or an idea it's tits

896
01:19:41,246 --> 01:19:47,726
when Sidney Sweeney has proved this very clearly over the in 2025.

897
01:19:47,726 --> 01:19:52,046
People will be aware of the time chain calendar if they can see those on there.

898
01:19:52,206 --> 01:19:53,006
Yeah, for sure.

899
01:19:55,086 --> 01:19:56,446
I'm going to have to try that.

900
01:19:56,606 --> 01:19:57,326
I'll get back to you.

901
01:19:58,766 --> 01:20:02,206
Do we have found those to go through on this one?

902
01:20:03,626 --> 01:20:07,726
Yeah, we had a couple from your episode with Rob Wallace.

903
01:20:10,126 --> 01:20:10,566
Right.

904
01:20:11,246 --> 01:20:22,346
uh let me pull those up so what we normally do tc is we uh we read the the boosts from the prior

905
01:20:22,346 --> 01:20:29,686
episodes so like we do the view weekly that's every week but behind the podcast series is uh

906
01:20:29,686 --> 01:20:35,266
not quite as frequent although we try to do it as much as possible uh but we have to get an

907
01:20:35,266 --> 01:20:44,426
interview the last one was december 18th um and it was brock wallace from bitcoinnews.com

908
01:20:44,426 --> 01:20:53,966
behind the podcast episode 28 and we talked about how the world is a podcast and i think

909
01:20:53,966 --> 01:21:00,566
we we kind of covered this uh at the beginning of the episode where it was like um you're

910
01:21:00,566 --> 01:21:06,906
meditating and if you're meditating on the podcast eventually you're it's like you wake up and this

911
01:21:06,906 --> 01:21:12,386
the world transformed and you're now living in a podcast and we we got into the discussion kind of

912
01:21:12,386 --> 01:21:17,706
what that means um i don't know if you're rob a good dude bitcoin news is uh you know fellow

913
01:21:17,706 --> 01:21:26,526
journalist um so that with that context the uh the first basis from the google itself so that

914
01:21:26,526 --> 01:21:27,146
Must have been registered.

915
01:21:27,266 --> 01:21:28,266
11,000 sats.

916
01:21:28,646 --> 01:21:28,886
Fire.

917
01:21:30,586 --> 01:21:32,466
And the second one was from Bitcoin News.

918
01:21:32,566 --> 01:21:34,226
The other guest on the show.

919
01:21:34,366 --> 01:21:35,106
2,000 sats.

920
01:21:35,286 --> 01:21:35,666
Fire.

921
01:21:36,406 --> 01:21:37,986
And then...

922
01:21:37,986 --> 01:21:41,446
The first one from a fan, Sasha.

923
01:21:41,886 --> 01:21:44,106
Sasha Hodder, the crypto attorney.

924
01:21:45,046 --> 01:21:46,866
In Florida, we just went on her show,

925
01:21:47,466 --> 01:21:48,446
The Sunset Circuit.

926
01:21:49,166 --> 01:21:50,266
It was a good conversation.

927
01:21:50,406 --> 01:21:51,866
We answered legal questions,

928
01:21:51,866 --> 01:21:53,926
although we do not have legal credentials.

929
01:21:53,926 --> 01:21:57,086
Sasha Bissett vows us at

930
01:21:57,086 --> 01:21:58,486
Shinobi would win

931
01:21:58,486 --> 01:21:59,946
against the Bottle Kids.

932
01:22:01,246 --> 01:22:02,946
TC, do you ever watch

933
01:22:02,946 --> 01:22:03,866
Trailer Park Boys?

934
01:22:03,946 --> 01:22:05,086
Do you know what Bottle Kids are?

935
01:22:07,366 --> 01:22:09,266
No, I'm sorry, I don't.

936
01:22:10,786 --> 01:22:12,406
In this show, Trailer Park Boys,

937
01:22:12,526 --> 01:22:13,386
the Bottle Kids

938
01:22:13,386 --> 01:22:15,806
are like little plants

939
01:22:15,806 --> 01:22:17,966
who run around the Trailer Park

940
01:22:17,966 --> 01:22:20,066
and they're not part of every episode.

941
01:22:20,866 --> 01:22:21,686
But sometimes

942
01:22:21,686 --> 01:22:23,766
Ray G., the main character,

943
01:22:23,766 --> 01:22:28,886
will pay them or they'll do it on their own and they go around they collect old beer can or

944
01:22:28,886 --> 01:22:34,386
you know beer bottles old glass bottles and they put them in a bunch of them in a bag and then they

945
01:22:34,386 --> 01:22:40,086
they ambush somebody in the park and they just hurl these glass bottles at them and they

946
01:22:40,086 --> 01:22:46,526
hurl them at their car they're a menace to the trailer park um but so sasha's saying that uh

947
01:22:46,526 --> 01:22:53,706
shinobi would probably need a run through the trailer park and uh be able to avoid getting

948
01:22:53,706 --> 01:22:54,826
hit by the bottle kids.

949
01:22:56,366 --> 01:22:57,306
Now the question I have

950
01:22:57,306 --> 01:22:59,386
in mind is

951
01:22:59,386 --> 01:23:01,786
who is Bitcoin's bottle kids?

952
01:23:03,266 --> 01:23:04,066
Used to be

953
01:23:04,066 --> 01:23:05,386
Triple E memes.

954
01:23:07,006 --> 01:23:07,846
Those guys still

955
01:23:07,846 --> 01:23:08,446
come to mind.

956
01:23:10,726 --> 01:23:11,786
Mr. HODL's

957
01:23:11,786 --> 01:23:13,626
probably hanging out with the bottle kids.

958
01:23:15,446 --> 01:23:16,206
Yeah, I mean

959
01:23:16,206 --> 01:23:18,186
I think it depends who you're

960
01:23:18,186 --> 01:23:20,026
asking. There's a lot of

961
01:23:20,026 --> 01:23:22,046
infighting in Bitcoin right now so

962
01:23:22,046 --> 01:23:23,666
depending which camp you ask.

963
01:23:23,706 --> 01:23:30,626
um you know some might think mr hoddle and and and wicked are the bottle kids

964
01:23:30,626 --> 01:23:39,586
well yeah there's like rival gangs of bottle kids they all go and fight each other so you

965
01:23:39,586 --> 01:23:50,906
got mr hoddle wicked and you've got tomer and um canoe and uh mars raybon yeah mars raybon

966
01:23:50,906 --> 01:24:01,566
there's a lot of bio kids out there for sure uh the next one's 500 sas from user 22290668

967
01:24:01,566 --> 01:24:08,226
you're either born for the slap or you're born to stop bone for the slap

968
01:24:08,226 --> 01:24:20,846
so true last two pies and ptc on board boosted 121 100 sas respectively with fair

969
01:24:20,846 --> 01:24:25,466
signature emoji salads.

970
01:24:27,146 --> 01:24:28,226
Thank you guys.

971
01:24:29,246 --> 01:24:32,606
So, you know, my final question for you, TC,

972
01:24:33,426 --> 01:24:39,086
do you think Jessica Vaughn is Bitcoin's Sydney Sweeney?

973
01:24:40,986 --> 01:24:42,446
What happened to her?

974
01:24:43,266 --> 01:24:47,986
I feel like I haven't seen her anywhere on Twitter in a year or more.

975
01:24:48,746 --> 01:24:49,546
Is she gone?

976
01:24:49,546 --> 01:24:56,246
she's she's still around she's still hot believe it or not yeah yeah i'd buy that

977
01:24:56,946 --> 01:25:01,446
we're gonna try and get around here and talk to her talk to her about

978
01:25:01,446 --> 01:25:07,046
to see what she's been doing for the past year probably being hot

979
01:25:08,646 --> 01:25:15,086
that's right well you got any oh good you got any closing thoughts before we wrap this

980
01:25:15,086 --> 01:25:24,286
know you oh yeah i was gonna say um i just like the one thing in there is that her is like most

981
01:25:24,286 --> 01:25:31,786
most super hot models pretty happy she's like one of the grumpier she's always seems grumpy or maybe

982
01:25:31,786 --> 01:25:37,566
she's comes across as grumpy and it's fun to life she's grumpy if you're hot you should be happy um

983
01:25:37,566 --> 01:25:43,906
my final thoughts and i don't know i guess i have my final thought is just to get

984
01:25:43,906 --> 01:25:46,446
tc you get your opinion is

985
01:25:46,446 --> 01:25:57,726
you get annoyed by club slop you admit that it's going to be harder to focus on the signal

986
01:25:57,726 --> 01:26:03,566
because it's going to be a very sloppy future at least in the short to medium term but

987
01:26:03,566 --> 01:26:13,786
are do you or have you found or come to accept and find peace with the slot or do you think that

988
01:26:13,906 --> 01:26:15,806
You know, that's something you're trying to.

989
01:26:15,866 --> 01:26:18,166
You're trying to find peace among the slop.

990
01:26:18,346 --> 01:26:20,946
And do you think this is the goal of everybody,

991
01:26:21,166 --> 01:26:24,146
to try to find some peace amidst the slop?

992
01:26:26,226 --> 01:26:29,346
I mean, well, you gotta, you gotta at some point.

993
01:26:30,226 --> 01:26:31,226
It's a slop world.

994
01:26:32,226 --> 01:26:33,426
We're just living in it.

995
01:26:35,326 --> 01:26:42,486
And one way to look at it is the slop is sometimes necessary,

996
01:26:42,486 --> 01:26:44,006
especially for new folks.

997
01:26:45,286 --> 01:26:47,866
It's kind of like when you're learning Bitcoin

998
01:26:47,866 --> 01:26:49,886
and everything is sort of a meme.

999
01:26:50,606 --> 01:26:52,626
Everything's a very simple concept.

1000
01:26:53,706 --> 01:26:56,246
And then as you're in Bitcoin longer,

1001
01:26:57,046 --> 01:26:59,146
things get more complicated.

1002
01:26:59,986 --> 01:27:03,206
Sometimes you have to heavily modify the meme

1003
01:27:03,206 --> 01:27:07,106
or really upgrade it and make it much more sophisticated.

1004
01:27:08,506 --> 01:27:10,926
Sometimes you have to throw out the memes entirely.

1005
01:27:10,926 --> 01:27:16,666
So I think the slop has its place, I think, especially for new folks.

1006
01:27:17,126 --> 01:27:18,846
And I can be at peace with that.

1007
01:27:19,426 --> 01:27:24,186
I can live with a world that has that included.

1008
01:27:26,646 --> 01:27:28,986
It's a slop-eat-slop world.

1009
01:27:30,546 --> 01:27:32,546
Just find space.

1010
01:27:33,726 --> 01:27:34,766
Thanks for listening.

1011
01:27:40,926 --> 01:27:43,546
Headphones on and volume up.

1012
01:27:44,466 --> 01:27:47,826
I came for the money, I came for the gains.

1013
01:27:48,006 --> 01:27:51,106
I wanted a Lambo and side chicks on planes.

1014
01:27:51,106 --> 01:27:57,706
But after a while, my MPC brain became obsessed with the immutable chain.

1015
01:27:58,126 --> 01:28:01,666
40 hours per week.

1016
01:28:04,426 --> 01:28:08,186
40 hours I see.

1017
01:28:10,926 --> 01:28:15,006
40 hours per week

1018
01:28:15,006 --> 01:28:21,586
40 hours I seek

1019
01:28:21,586 --> 01:28:24,806
And that's just the start

1020
01:28:24,806 --> 01:28:32,386
Difficulty adjustment

1021
01:28:32,386 --> 01:28:36,346
Turned my world upside down

1022
01:28:36,346 --> 01:28:38,926
Then breed love and sailor dropped

1023
01:28:38,926 --> 01:28:43,086
A track called thermodynamically sound

1024
01:28:43,086 --> 01:28:47,206
Before I could notice my path had been set

1025
01:28:47,206 --> 01:28:49,486
I was orange-pilled so hard

1026
01:28:49,486 --> 01:28:54,366
I was a national security threat

1027
01:28:54,366 --> 01:29:01,326
40 hours per week

1028
01:29:01,326 --> 01:29:07,926
40 hours I seek

1029
01:29:07,926 --> 01:29:14,586
40 hours per week

1030
01:29:14,586 --> 01:29:21,106
40 hours I see

1031
01:29:21,106 --> 01:29:24,446
And that's just a start

1032
01:29:24,446 --> 01:29:29,066
Now I'm in the podcast studio

1033
01:29:29,066 --> 01:29:31,186
Two days a week

1034
01:29:31,186 --> 01:29:34,886
I haven't missed a meetup

1035
01:29:34,886 --> 01:29:37,866
In 21 weeks

1036
01:29:37,866 --> 01:29:44,126
Now I pick the conference over my own wedding

1037
01:29:44,126 --> 01:29:50,806
I'm so far down the rabbit hole, I don't see it ending

1038
01:29:50,806 --> 01:29:57,586
40 hours per week

1039
01:29:57,586 --> 01:30:04,106
40 hours I see

1040
01:30:04,106 --> 01:30:10,866
40 hours per week

1041
01:30:10,866 --> 01:30:17,426
40 hours I seek

1042
01:30:17,426 --> 01:30:20,686
And that's just the start