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Music industry is being destroyed by fiat Taylor Swift tickets are outperforming the price of Bitcoin

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Ticketmaster and Live Nation are crushing the spirit of artists who are forced to bend over to record labels

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who don't take you seriously unless you go to Diddy parties

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Radio music is devolving into toxic sludge indistinguishable from AI sloth

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The algorithms are destroying discoverability and penalizing anything that's valuable.

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Is the world of music hopeless?

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One man thinks it's not.

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While others are throwing up their hands and submitting to a system that preys on children,

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promotes predators, and champions mediocrity, there's a grassroots movement building in the shadows.

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Today, joining us is the most important man in the value-for-value music economy,

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the visionary behind the live streaming platform Toonster, the inventor of the Bugle Mile High Club.

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Open mic, how are you doing today?

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Hey, that's quite the intro. Thanks for having me. I'm doing well.

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It's good to have you.

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It's great to be here. It's great to be on the Bugle. Long time listener, first time caller.

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Yeah. So kind of fun story. So we're recording in Matt O'Dell's studio. We took it over. We're in Nashville.

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that's right you've got a uh music event happening here tomorrow that i'm pretty excited about

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yeah yeah yeah we're um the the bitcoin park open house tomorrow is value for value themed we have

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uh four new musicians who are coming into the space going to be playing for about an hour upstairs

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and on the front end um ainsley costello and i are going to be doing a fireside chat on the state of

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the state of the value for value industry, the state of independent music,

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um, her Genesis story and, and this, and where she's at in her career. It's, uh,

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it's about, it's coming up on two years now from that infamous lightning summit where she showed up

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and, um, just dove headfirst into this world. It's been, it's been insane to watch that trajectory.

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Yeah. I'm excited for it. It's a, so what, what can we expect? So there's going to be some,

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some chants there's going to be some music performed yep it'll be a traditional nashville

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round so there'll be four artists playing acoustic sets um one song at a time across the um you know

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the the main room in in the bitcoin park studio upstairs and um be broadcast live on tunester and

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we hope we have a raucous crowd and a lively chat room going so we can really show these artists

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It's, you know, what this community is all about

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and, like, why should they give a shit about what we're doing?

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Why should they, you know, why should they really take this seriously?

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Because we know the tech.

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We know the tools that we have.

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But at the end of the day, it's, you know, with a traditional musician,

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the results and the economics really matter.

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and to get that feedback in the form of sats is important

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rather than just the thumbs up on Facebook

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or the hearts on Instagram.

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To actually give them true value

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and see the reaction, that's priceless

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when you can watch the light bulbs kind of click.

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It doesn't happen with everybody,

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but hopefully one of them, hopefully all of them,

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will catch the bug and get the mind virus like we all have.

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have you thought about bringing dennis porter to orange pill all these artists

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it's got to be that's got to be so price point you know so i i think uh i my question would do

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you think you need more drama do you think it's got to be more like uh battle of the bands or like

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you know real real uh you know artists of of bitcoin park like like real housewives or something

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like that um or do you and do do you think you maybe need more commercials do you because i think

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nostril people or people that use like wave lake and in toonster and i think that not all of them

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know that uh the mute that that they've got you know music to sell like they they but if you make

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a commercial it's like oh i can go tip ainsley costello uh you know 12 000 sats for her new

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album uh i didn't know i could do that so you just need more commercials sell themselves you

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know sell themselves sell sell your uh sell your art you know instead of just waiting for somebody

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to come by and appreciate it be like hey this is i'm proud of this i'm this is for sale come uh

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come buy my album i think you know i think more people would i think that's not that they

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are willing to it's just sometimes you gotta trick him into trick him into it well i mean

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the value for value the pod father is very open and um direct in his in his business model and

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asking he said you have to ask so um that is that's a very real a real thing that drives results

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is make sure people know what you're up to and what this means.

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And that's something that I always try to drill home on my little soapbox

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when I get a chance to speak before a show or give a little statement between sets.

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I just say, if this is what you want your artists to take on a path for their career,

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then we need to step up and speak with our feet and speak with our wallets as well

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and make sure that they're getting the appropriate compensation

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or love for the big risk that they're taking.

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Yeah, I would categorize that I've had a decent amount of success

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and good experience on the value for value economy,

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especially on the Oscar and some of these platforms.

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With all my art, people know I've got music.

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I've got it on Spotify as well.

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But I've got it on these platforms.

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Richard has a huge catalog of music and people.

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It's really popular in these communities.

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And I think my secret to my success is playing hard to get.

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Instead of asking people to lose at me or to boost me,

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I get the chicks a little bit like my songs.

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And they're like, why is he not asking me to boost him?

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what's going on you know it's play hard to get a little bit is that your dating strategy as well

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yeah exactly i just ignore if i think a girl's beautiful and i really want to get to know her

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i completely ignore her i put my headphones on i listen to bitcoin podcasts and i don't even make

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eye contact and that usually gets them curious and they're like what what podcast is he listening to

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that's more interesting than this dress and then i tell her it's you know pressed attention bitcoin

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fundamentals and then she's interested she knows i'm an intellectual i mean that makes sense with

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the hot women you know it's because like hot women are just they're always used to all the

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guys like going after them you know what i mean it's just like unusual if but isn't there like a

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point where you get worried about it where like she thinks you're probably gay you know what i mean

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i think it's pretty clear if you look at me in the the state of my clothes how wrinkly are like

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i don't make my own bed i i don't iron my own clothes like she so she's probably not gonna um

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mistake me for being too like in the feet so yeah you're you're you're really in the

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the music ecosystem right you're a big fan of music very involved with it like what's your

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overview in your opinion of the the bitcoin ecosystem and its involvement with music so

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we've got ainsley we got sarah jade we've got uh tip nz we've got uh joe martin um we got

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scardust now we've got uh a bunch of people putting music out there we got satoshi rakamoto

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they're doing some pretty cool stuff man like quacks man like quacks yeah there's a lot of

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there's a lot of activity there's a lot of a lot of ogs in the turn in the in the sense that

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two to three years is og in this space right now um and there's a lot of passion

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a lot of concentrated passionate people and we're really looking for a breakout you know i think it's

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everybody wants to you know figure out what's what's the next big wave right what's the next

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what where's the god candle of a musician adoption and in this culture growing um

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i i stand honestly i stand in awe at times of of what needs to happen and and and like i look at

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uh nostr as a whole or musician adoption as like a subset of that and i think back to the the tiktok

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ban in january i'm like well man if that didn't do it what's gonna do it right everybody's freaking

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out. You think about in my world, I operate in the independent venue promoter business. So we

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interact with thousands of independent artists a year and do 1,300 concerts a year. And we don't

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deal in the recorded music space as much, but we very much see the impact of it because they

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if they're not making money on their records they need to make money on tour

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they need to make money on merch and they need to make money on other things and that puts

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it puts a pretty unique strain on the relationship between the venue the promoter and the booking

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agent who's representing the artists um and i see these people who are spending so much time

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like 10 000 hours like developing their brand on youtube on tiktok you know taking all these

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instagram videos just to get followers because if you don't have a million followers a record

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label is not going to even let you in the door for a conversation and so they got to do all these

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little dances just to get into quote the music industry and then then you'll have enough money

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behind you so that you can go on tour and afford it.

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And so when I see the tick tock band go I like oh this is going to be it Everybody going to see this now Like this is this is the catalyst and it didn happen and then you know even pre before that like i got really excited when all

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the swifties left twitter i was like well they got to go somewhere and they're gonna see that

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the other one's just as flawed as this one but it's it hasn't it hasn't directed the traffic to

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what we're doing yet and so i don't know if we need to you know talk to the ceo derrick ross or

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what's got to happen for the nostril marketing department to kick in but we're um i think it's

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good i think it's i think the tools are there but they're they're they're not ready they're not ready

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for the mainstream but do we need do we need to bring back good morning post uh on roster like do

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we need to like lighten up the mood i know bodell is pretty grumpy and he's like one of the biggest

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influencers on roster so he kind of sets the mood for the rest of the users kind of and the you know

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that main primal algorithm um so everybody's grumpy and then you start saying good morning

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again and it's like lighten up the mood be bullish this is the bull market and uh just yeah just

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me that will finally help it be a little bit more palatable to the mainstream and gonna draw some

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more interest yeah we got we got odell off all caps so he's he's dialing it down a little bit

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but yeah a little little morale boost might might be great bring lighten it up

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i'm waiting for the the point in the bull market where odell like last cycle where he wasn't humble

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anymore 100k by conference day going on btc sessions all drunk screaming we need we need

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that odell back in my opinion he talked about that on uh god what was just the podcast

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the other day he talked about look out for the top signals when i get euphoric

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the overall sentiment seems pretty negative right now like a lot of people are grumpy they're

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they're not enjoying paper bitcoin summer pleditors run around issuing purity tests left and right

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the the morale seems pretty low right now i don't i don't really know uh why that is bitcoin

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continues to hit all-time highs you know i i i almost wondered ken you said like the top is when

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matt odell gets euphoric can matt odell still get euphoric is still having him he seems like maybe

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but part of his grumpiness is he feels jaded and i think the problem is we're letting people like

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pleaded or set the narrative we're trying to convince pleaded or that it's bullish that we

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should be bullish that we should be optimistic we're trying to convince him instead of just

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being bullish and optimistic because there's so much happening in this space because it is growing

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i don't know who's letting pleaded or set the narrative i'm not letting them set the narrative

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i think i think he's entertaining i enjoy it's it's like i don't know i did when i was

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collecting my credentials in college i took an anthropology course which was pretty interesting

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i feel like uh watching platterers like watching like well like a anthropological study of a

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i don't even know how i would describe him but just like a very um unhappy individual

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yeah i just mean like you know he will you know he published a really like a really

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red chart about a bitcoin meme stock you know or treasury company and you got like the ceos

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like cory from swan who are constantly having to reply and retweet pleasure and explain why that

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chart is actually bullish and they got to do it over and over and over again and i just think that

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it's you if you really are bullish you shouldn't have to retweet and reply to everything pleditor

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says well why do you retweet and reply to everything pleditor says from just reporting

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the news he is a um an important influencer in the space his tweets are notable so

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is this like a problem that you face you try and bring musicians into the bitcoin ecosystem

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into the circular economy and they're just met with like hundreds of purity tests

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is that something that you you have to like give them a rundown on like okay bitcoin not crypto um

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you know there's all these landmines that they can walk on is that is that a barrier to entry

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that you find difficult dealing with new artists interested yeah absolutely it is um

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i mean we all know there's just certain things that are toxic on on bitcoin on social media on

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and you just don't you just don't touch it but for the outside normie world

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you know the bitcoin is like a term like kleenex to them it's just a generic

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title for this, you know, quote, digital asset or blockchain, web three, blah, blah, blah. And

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there's definitely a degree of grace that needs to be given to a newcomer who comes in and they

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might, you know, they might misspeak and talk about, um, whatever, you know, goofy variation

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they've gotten involved in but you know i i i've even had to educate myself on some of those

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areas so that i can speak you know on a very on an educated basis to tell them what the

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shortcomings are and why this is yeah certainly it's i'm not going to tell you you shouldn't go

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earn a living if if all of your fans want to go buy you know a picture of an ape on a different

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chain well then the market has decided that that's what you should you should sell your

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fans but just be fucking transparent about what it is you're doing and and make sure you're

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delivering what they want don't over promise don't tell them it's going to go to the moon

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and then as soon as you get any form of value convert it to bitcoin immediately um but

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But the other thing that I think is important, even for me, as I've been around in Bitcoin for not quite a decade,

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but to really remember that I dabbled in that shit at one point.

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The difference between somebody like that and me is time.

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We know that.

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Bitcoin's inevitable.

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I think Noster's inevitable.

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I think these things are are just a matter of how much time and engagement do you put into

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giving a shit about it and you're going to just be right where I am in a couple years

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and so you know if I meet if I meet somebody who's really into NFTs I'll just wait for them

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to go to zero and then they'll come back to me and generally speaking though the artists

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are are not in it for the wrong reasons they there's like so many of these things the

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they see an opportunity to monetize something and exchange value with their with their followers and

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they're trying to do it in good faith but they they're not going to dive down the technical

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rabbit hole and figure out what the protocol layer looks like and and that you know some yeah

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some ethereum committee can can go change all the rules overnight and then none of it matters

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right i mean it it's just it it also highlights the you know when you come to some of these

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platforms and you're checking out in australia it's a different crowd it's like people who are

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a little bit more technical they're a little bit more withered they're pioneers they've been

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trailblazing the user experience um difficulties for years decades sometimes and they're just

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withered and you know they're i can only imagine like how awful we how much we would have missed

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out on if ainsley costello her first post on nostr was the date pleditor was on there and he

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retweeted her and said you know oh this girl's a scammer because she's the law the wrong custodial

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lightning wallet like that would be like that would that'd be a shame and like but some people

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might um have to get used to the brash nature of uh of some of the fans that are gonna encounter

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on these platforms yeah it's it's very confusing if you if you come on and you know play play a

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show on Toonster, I'll hook you up with your first lightning wallet and transaction, kind of show you

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the way. And then we, you know, send you off on your journey. And it's, it becomes ideally a,

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a self-taught pursuit with the support of the community at that point. And then if they go out

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there and they're getting lectured on, you know, why are they using wallet of Satoshi instead of

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some more sovereign choice? They're like, what am I talking about? I just want to play songs and,

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engage with the fans like get the fuck out of my face and i'm out of here yeah this is yeah this is

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why you're uh you probably you do a good job that you're great like you show these people how to do

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it like you download wallet this is all you have to do and you say it's a little bit of a

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responsibility but your goal is to get good enough that your agent handles your uh your

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revenue so like you you can outsource once you've uh released a few hits you can you can get an

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agent and your agent can handle all the user experience difficulties for you it's like good

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motivation you want to talk about the best diamond hand you know some of these guys who've lost their

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keys forever might have better diamond hands but some of these artists that i work with um that

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that famous show in 23 and in uh minneapolis when ainsley and just loud generated 18 million sats

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i always i always give just loud shit i'm just like yeah you got you got the most diamond hands

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you didn't even know how to move your bitcoin if you wanted to like he's gonna hodl that forever

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because it's such a technical barrier for him to think about i mean if he called me and said i need

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to liquidate of course i'd show them how to do it but it's uh it's funny because they don't

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necessarily get here we got here generally because of the bitcoin because nostr came second

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um for me now nostr first is is a way more compelling value prop for engaging this community

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because you you have to you know you you meet an artist set them up with primal set them up with fountain that takes you know two to three minutes hopefully if the email validations go through quick um zap zap adam curry or zap the bugle on fountain and then

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take them back over to primal and show that it cross posted they're like holy cow i've got these

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two quote platforms but somehow they're talking to each other and so then that that usually gets

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them engaged in this idea that these aren't new apps these aren't new platforms but

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buried in that is you have to deal with bitcoin right this stuff all all of the value that's

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extracted and earned and exchanged is in the form of bitcoin so if you like what you see on that

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quote social media front on Noster well then you've got the task in front of you that you're

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gonna have to figure out this Bitcoin thing that you've been cringing at for five years

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and it becomes more of something that you want to seek rather than get you know shoved down your

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mouth by a bunch of Bitcoin evangelists which is that's the normal pattern that we all try and

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guilty as charged here is I see I see the value prop and I see all of the similarities between

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music and the finance world. I'm in finance by trade, my day job. I'm a CPA working in the music

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industry and running these venues. So I got into Bitcoin from a finance standpoint of how this,

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what this means for banking and personal finance and sovereignty. And working tangentially then

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in music you're you look at it's like this is the same problem just in a different structure it's

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everything is centralized gate kept nobody owns what they think they own it's it's all permission

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based and that makes so much more sense when you paint it in the in the light of nostor to an artist

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because they use tools that look like nostor all the time and that's why you know that's why i i

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I leaned into TuneStir is like this is something that people are familiar with the visual isn't

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scary it doesn't it's not a new concept it's it's just not a very good business model in in the real

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music world like not many people are doing streams successfully and monetizing it but

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it's kind of a Trojan horse for me it it gives them something to do that is zero risk

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low effort and if if they walk in and see a whole bunch of crazy maniacs like us zapping and chatting

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on the side of the live stream and then at the end of the night i get to say hey you you made 300

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extra bucks how do you know do you want to collect that or you know how do you feel about that what

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and that's when they their eyes perk up a little bit and they say tell me more that's that's cool

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but you can't sell them up front it doesn't work the other way well have you ever tried to like

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explain to them that if they do this there's a pathway for them to be an advisor at a bitcoin

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treasury company paper bitcoin company that's that is the next step by far

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you have you thought about you that you need uh or you could benefit from your own mr beast have

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you have you gone out looking for a mr beast who will just be such a uh they'll just cause so much

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commotion uh and so maybe we'll be talking about it that they'll they'll go viral your entire

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platform will go viral and then people will want to be like well mr b the the sworn still mr beast

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guy could do it i could do it and then you just you got people playing video games you got hot

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shit smoking cigarettes and talking about podcast like you got all these cool streams that uh

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people were they start using it and it just becomes of like a popular alternative something

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like that i don't know you need a mr beast is what i'm saying that's an interesting idea that's

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like what nico from simply bitcoin is trying to be right btc sessions who do you think's the best

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candidate for the mr beast of bitcoin

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oh i mean it's it is it's it's almost it is a hybrid between those two because i did i just

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think that uh well they do what they have like simply sessions that is like our mr beast well

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that's our top one i i think isabella is a good candidate that's that's that's a good one see who

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goes into merchandise first um so one thing that i've found pretty fascinating uh just interacting

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with the value for value music ecosystem interacting with a lot of bitcoin people uh

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is their taste in music it seems like a lot of them they like little bubble so they just like

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like you know edm with like michael saylor talking over it uh i don't know if that's like

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the only music they listen to so ainsley kind of has like a pop uh yeah she she's a pop artist

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uh scar dust you know a lot of people when i was sharing their their music video rip the bitcoin

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theme music video uh they predominantly said they didn't like metal which you know surprised me

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because bitcoin seems pretty metal to me uh kind of punk rock metal um

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the bitcoin or personality type is according to brandon quittum study is like an intj which i

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think is kind of like an autist like what what type of music like do you think there's something

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here where the personality type of people that are into bitcoin they like certain types of music

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like do we the the people that are going to be most successful with this ecosystem

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are they gonna have to like are they gonna be the types of the the genre of music that like luke

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dash jr listens to exactly don't make me like pot music for the normies you gotta make um

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music for your autistic audience what type of music do autists like besides edm with michael

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saylor talking over well those do get a lot of traction on nostor they are um it is it is funny

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and i think it it it is also the source of a little confusion when you have some of these

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artists like uh theo katzman and scardust and laser beak who come in at a much more traditional

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um traditional music background and they have significant success already and they come on

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and they're competing with that and they got nothing you know they i mean theo's gotten a

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pretty good amount of love but um it is uh it is challenging to like you know we've been talking

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about scardust quite a bit and how they're just the perfect fit for the space and they're embracing

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it um they they're in line with the ethos and they're actually they're doing these 24-hour

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streams they're releasing their music on nostr and um and yeah little bubble is is uh taking

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all the zaps a lot of times um i'm not sure how we tackle that other than um you know with toonster

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and the bugle using using some of our reaches to let everybody know when i think it's really

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important when a when an artist is making a pivot into this space that that we really try to raise

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them up and showcase them and um i know that's what we're doing we're trying to do with scardust

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is um get yeah increase the awareness so that they're not total strangers to to the rest of

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the community if they're not you know if they're not rapping about the having you know yeah i um

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one of the things that we do at the bugle that just thinking about it more during this conversation

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I think we should emphasize more as I, we, we, we want to find people who, and artists and creators and our friends who, uh, we think other people need to hear their content or hear what they have to say or listen to their music, whatever it is, if we enjoy it.

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and it's like sending a signal like if we're advocating for more of this value for value

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exchange we should be out there more with these big hard-hitting zaps on a really good video a

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really good song a really good post and it's like hey i'm gonna put up a couple hundred but you know

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a couple hundred thousand sats a couple million sats um because i think that this this artist this

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person um my friend i think it's worth it and i think when you you set that example i think it

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invites other people to like whoa that's a that that was a pretty big stake like that's a big

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signal that they put that much that must be a good song that must be a good um you know podcast

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whatever it is um and i think that builds and i think that's like something that we could do i

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think to bugle we like we should do more of yeah no exactly it's like we need like an open sats of

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uh funding artists and in a way if that makes sense like like what you're describing is that

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if somebody shows interest in us we have to be hardcore simps like real hardcore i'm a hardcore

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simp that scarred us for sure yeah uh you know part of the reason is like i really genuinely

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like their music i think it's some of the best music in the world uh especially from the singing

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standpoint the complexity of it like i i come from uh listening to a lot of classical music and i

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think metal and classical music uh with the complexity of it like you look at scardust they

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have uh a full choir featured in a lot of their shows they they feature a lot of different artists

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that are really good the uh uh the music happening in the background the guitar the drums the bass

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is very complex it's uh like there's a lot of really good music out there you know that

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just consists of like three chords on repeat you know very like um simple strong structure

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you've got verse chorus verse chorus verse chorus um some of my music's like that i think uh

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Yeah, some of my songs, they only have like four chords,

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but you just see like the wild range of dynamics It definitely like next level and uh i i have this belief you know we all read the bitcoin standard you know and heard safe of dean thoughts on on bitcoin art

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or fiat art and we're seeing you know fiat art dominating right now and it's just trash

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a lot of trash out there and i think there there are people that are actually creating really really

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really cool i mean you look at like modern art you know safety likes to um shit on modern art

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you like you look at the stuff that madex is doing and it's is very very cool next level

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uh yeah i just want to highlight stuff yeah pretty much yes exactly i if you see rod palmer

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boosted some piece of content on fountain or on primal 50 000 sats 30 000 sats immediately you

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know at least one thing that it's not ai slop that it's not you know it's not wife slop your

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wife don't show this meme don't listen to the song your wife it's not wife slop it's something that

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uh maybe i should take two minutes out of my day to listen to or to check out or to laugh at or to

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learn from but that's the signal like we can we can set the example i guess to uh just keep

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highlighting what is an ai slum yeah i think another you know thinking about another thing that

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that one of the major problems for an artist is discoverability and that's sort of what we're

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talking about here is in our little community um when somebody comes in we have our little rituals

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where you hashtag introductions and then everybody you know zaps them and we start following for a

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while but um i i think there is there's a next level that we need to figure out on like how to

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sustain it i know um a really good example is uh henry invisible if you've seen him on any of his

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posts on on nostrils he we did a show um at anton's nightclub in austin last december with

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Adam Curry and Ainsley. And there were six musicians there. I did a half day conference

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called Sats by Southwest at Bitcoin Commons. And we had a bunch of artists on stage talking and

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Derek Ross, Parker Lewis, DJ Val, a bunch of Phantom Power, Heather Larson, Mike Newman,

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there's a whole bunch of people involved in the space and then the next day we went over to

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Antone's and had this six person um just we called it an artist showcase and each each artist got

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introduced by Adam Curry and he gave him a little spiel about what we're doing and the value for

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value movement and um henry came in totally blind he had he was a he was a late fill-in in the last

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week i had to um i reached out to an agent down in austin and and said who's a who's a good

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tickets you know who's moves tickets in the club scene down here and would be open-minded to

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something like this and she said first thing they said is henry invisible and he you know he had

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he dove right in. I can't remember how much he got from that night. Probably. I mean,

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I think we got over 5 million sats that night and he got, you know, five or 600 bucks probably,

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but he immediately dove in and started posting, you know, short form videos from his studio

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almost on a daily basis. And he was texting me and calling me and, um, you know, he was going

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into the tech i was it was super exciting to see and that's you know that's the kind of stuff

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that that gets momentum but then it was clear i i have i owe him a phone call i got to get back and

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see where he's at now and i know his his posts have slowed down but i think artists are still

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developing kind of parallel fan bases so he's got he's got his austin live community where he could

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he could go out and sell 200 300 tickets a night down there and um but if he's not bringing

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those fans into nostor to support him in nostor then he's losing out because the people that are

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currently in nostor are not familiar with him and they're not in austin at all these shows

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so the people who are most likely to really zap hard and get emotional about your music

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are not the people that are on Primal right now

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if you're a new artist.

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And so until we bridge that,

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bringing their fans here,

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I don't know, we got to really support them

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and give them the favorable results here

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so that then they take their next steps

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to invest more of their time and energy here.

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So where are some of the hubs?

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So you've got Phoenix.

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Phoenix is definitely a hub.

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You've got the WaveLite guys out there and QW.

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You've just got a huge community out there.

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You've got Nashville with Bitcoin Park.

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Austin has a big Bitcoin scene.

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It kind of seems like those types of areas.

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I know Minneapolis has a big Bitcoin scene as well.

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yep they're popping up a lot of the um a lot of the podcast 2.0 um people are in the midwest

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in missouri um sarah jade's out in california um there's some things popping off in new york but

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it really it it really demands a physical space that's accessible and you know it's like set up

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to be because like when i take this on the road it could cost five figures really fast

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so like take all the equipment out pop up a show in a different city and

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rent a room get some equipment book the artists um it's a pretty terrible business model as much

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fun as it is but it um if you have something that you could just pop up in your hometown like

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you know the we had the vinyl lounge here in nashville going for a couple months where

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i came in and i brought i brought some cameras from minneapolis and we installed it for the

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the bitcoin conference side event two years ago and um i knew the owner there so i just left my

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gear there and i said let's just let's just do tunster here for as long as you want and

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uh phantom power really spearheaded the whole thing and they they took over that place every

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monday night and they had a house band and we ran a monday night stream for four or five weeks um

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that was that's the model but the problem is we need then to have the expertise of phantom power

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to move on to someplace else and you know teach a man how to fish don't just give him a bunch of

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fish and and that's it wasn't sustainable to just have them show up every week so one of the things

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we've already kind of talked about but i wanted to highlight again was like just the audience and

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like knowing the the new audience that you will be engaging with in this you know on austrian in

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this community um is i see a lot of people they do try to promote you know music or uh content that

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is kind of more like mainstream which is a generally younger audience but one thing i am

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constantly reminded about nostra and the bitcoin community in general is like it is a slightly

393
00:43:12,426 --> 00:43:18,846
older um demographic so it's like a lot of gen x there's a lot of boomers uh that are you know

394
00:43:18,846 --> 00:43:26,106
buying some crazy emoji that you might not suspect and what like the people this like middle-aged

395
00:43:26,106 --> 00:43:34,426
people grew up with is um was mtv so you had like total requests live with carson daily and you

396
00:43:34,426 --> 00:43:40,246
everybody would like they'd call in and they'd sit on the phone and they would like wait for the

397
00:43:40,246 --> 00:43:45,426
operator to like hey who do you vote for or then they would eventually do it online but everybody

398
00:43:45,426 --> 00:43:50,386
would go home and they'd like vote for who would get in the top 10 their favorite songs and that's

399
00:43:50,386 --> 00:43:57,366
what we need we need a like a nostr like tunster total request live we need a carson daily and

400
00:43:57,366 --> 00:44:03,946
every day you you go at a certain time and you boost and you uh who's your favorite song what's

401
00:44:03,946 --> 00:44:09,826
your favorite artist that day who do you want in the top 10 i would probably do that all the time

402
00:44:09,826 --> 00:44:18,266
we need a teamster trl teamster trl there we go that's the that's the that's the for the show

403
00:44:18,266 --> 00:44:23,186
i love that and and and all these creative gamification

404
00:44:23,186 --> 00:44:30,426
ideas where the artists are the ones who benefit is is what i've really seen successful we

405
00:44:30,426 --> 00:44:37,946
for the traditional shows that i do like i'd never stick a tv near the stage that's a big no-no and

406
00:44:37,946 --> 00:44:44,506
in concert production the the artist is the focal point you want distractions adjacent to the stage

407
00:44:44,506 --> 00:44:52,506
um but for these bitcoin events like tomorrow at the at the bitcoin park event we're going to have

408
00:44:52,506 --> 00:44:59,306
tvs flanking the the performance area that shows what's going on online and it shows

409
00:44:59,306 --> 00:45:06,246
the zap activity and oftentimes we have a customized leaderboard that has

410
00:45:06,246 --> 00:45:12,206
effects and whatnot so if you're the top zapper you can see who you know you're kind of jockeying

411
00:45:12,206 --> 00:45:18,326
with with your your fellow plebs and seeing who's who's got the most love for this band

412
00:45:18,326 --> 00:45:25,686
and um that's really how those those two shows got pretty viral and got such a crazy amount of

413
00:45:25,686 --> 00:45:32,166
of artist support is because people were uh people were competing it was one of them was rss

414
00:45:32,166 --> 00:45:38,986
boosts versus nostros apps and everybody wanted to win and then the one in in austin was just

415
00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:42,886
individuals on the leaderboard and there are a couple people trying to outdo each other

416
00:45:42,886 --> 00:45:52,546
exactly and it's awesome exactly uses um and this is an opportunity like it goes back to

417
00:45:52,546 --> 00:45:53,146
where I said earlier,

418
00:45:53,226 --> 00:45:55,286
my approach is that

419
00:45:55,286 --> 00:45:56,806
I'm going to play hard to get.

420
00:45:57,426 --> 00:45:58,366
So instead of, you know,

421
00:45:58,546 --> 00:46:00,466
you can now reach out

422
00:46:00,466 --> 00:46:02,286
to a broader audience.

423
00:46:02,286 --> 00:46:03,646
You could stream this on YouTube.

424
00:46:03,826 --> 00:46:05,346
You could stream this on Rumble.

425
00:46:05,446 --> 00:46:06,386
You could stream it on X.

426
00:46:07,246 --> 00:46:09,806
But if you want to

427
00:46:09,806 --> 00:46:12,046
get your favorite song

428
00:46:12,088 --> 00:46:13,608
in the top 10,

429
00:46:14,028 --> 00:46:15,868
you're going to have to go get Bitcoin

430
00:46:15,868 --> 00:46:17,808
and pay a lightning invoice

431
00:46:17,808 --> 00:46:19,528
or zap a Nostra profile.

432
00:46:20,088 --> 00:46:22,028
Otherwise, it's a good show.

433
00:46:22,128 --> 00:46:23,608
You'll watch, but you don't get a say

434
00:46:23,608 --> 00:46:25,568
no matter what platform you're on

435
00:46:25,568 --> 00:46:27,508
unless you just figure out

436
00:46:27,508 --> 00:46:29,028
the very easy step

437
00:46:29,028 --> 00:46:31,048
of just downloading a Primal Wallet,

438
00:46:31,468 --> 00:46:32,108
signing up for,

439
00:46:32,588 --> 00:46:34,188
and then boom, now you can zap.

440
00:46:34,768 --> 00:46:35,548
Now you can vote.

441
00:46:36,228 --> 00:46:36,868
And they want to.

442
00:46:36,928 --> 00:46:38,648
They want to be a part of this community

443
00:46:38,648 --> 00:46:39,968
and being a part of this community

444
00:46:39,968 --> 00:46:41,708
is this influence

445
00:46:41,708 --> 00:46:46,668
a fun influence battle to get your favorite music in the toaster trl

446
00:46:46,668 --> 00:46:53,888
trl and maybe yeah exactly yeah yeah it's interesting to think uh it sounds like there's

447
00:46:53,888 --> 00:46:59,948
a lot of ways for people to get involved outside of just being musicians like people with av skills

448
00:46:59,948 --> 00:47:07,548
people that are good at making memes people that want to help out at these events people that know

449
00:47:07,548 --> 00:47:15,848
people that run venues or work at venues or own venues, uh, people that podcast.

450
00:47:16,608 --> 00:47:17,568
All of these.

451
00:47:17,728 --> 00:47:21,888
I mean, do you know of any, um, I know there's been a few attempts.

452
00:47:21,888 --> 00:47:25,788
I haven't followed it as closely as I could because I've been so hyper-focused on Bitcoin

453
00:47:25,788 --> 00:47:33,508
podcasts, but you know, of many value for value music podcasts out there that are really

454
00:47:33,508 --> 00:47:41,268
going out and promoting uh people there are some the phantom power team has the the artist hour

455
00:47:41,268 --> 00:47:51,248
the business hour um they've been a little less regular on the cadence lately but um my favorite

456
00:47:51,248 --> 00:47:56,768
one was adam curry's boosted grand ball live when he was doing that um because that was just such a

457
00:47:56,768 --> 00:48:03,528
cool. Um, it was such a cool, like it reminded me of the radio DJs when I was growing up in the

458
00:48:03,528 --> 00:48:08,488
nineties and eighties and he, you know, he'd play them and then you'd literally hear this,

459
00:48:08,688 --> 00:48:14,368
you'd hear the feedback of the, of the boosts and the zaps as they were happening. And he's,

460
00:48:14,768 --> 00:48:21,268
he's just so gifted in his delivery of all of his years in broadcasting. Um,

461
00:48:21,268 --> 00:48:24,508
but there's a handful of them out there um

462
00:48:24,508 --> 00:48:29,788
uh wave lake was doing one for a while um

463
00:48:29,788 --> 00:48:37,528
but we i wouldn't say there's a dominant you know maybe maybe that's the niche let's go the

464
00:48:37,528 --> 00:48:47,548
the toonster bugle t-r-l you know we get to insert t-r-o yeah i mean get some i think a way to

465
00:48:47,548 --> 00:48:56,568
to provide a discovery mechanism where people you know people who take the plunge and go into the

466
00:48:56,568 --> 00:49:02,988
space get distribution right away yeah like a t you know you talked about you had these events

467
00:49:02,988 --> 00:49:08,468
and these live streams where you bring people together and you build hype and you get i think

468
00:49:08,468 --> 00:49:15,108
it's just create and you could be a music podcast it could be a podcast it could be a meetup it could

469
00:49:15,108 --> 00:49:22,588
be anything it could be these special events that you guys throw um just creating more reasons to

470
00:49:22,588 --> 00:49:28,228
get people's attention and say listen we're spending money like i said if i put 50 000

471
00:49:28,228 --> 00:49:36,128
sats on a uh a podcast it's not ai slump if you're putting proof of work into this cool production

472
00:49:36,128 --> 00:49:42,468
in some city and you're bringing people's favorite artists from these all these different platforms

473
00:49:42,468 --> 00:49:44,588
who have their own niche fans

474
00:49:44,588 --> 00:49:45,888
and you're bringing them all together

475
00:49:45,888 --> 00:49:47,428
and you're saying this stuff's good

476
00:49:47,428 --> 00:49:50,568
and we're putting it out there

477
00:49:50,568 --> 00:49:52,028
and we're saying you should listen to this.

478
00:49:52,888 --> 00:49:54,688
Just doing that as much as possible

479
00:49:54,688 --> 00:49:57,608
at every scale, big or small possible,

480
00:49:58,088 --> 00:50:01,988
is just another opportunity to attract more people

481
00:50:01,988 --> 00:50:04,608
and bring more people in and grow the space.

482
00:50:05,528 --> 00:50:08,428
Yeah, the individuals that come to mind

483
00:50:08,428 --> 00:50:10,588
who are really working on this community,

484
00:50:10,588 --> 00:50:17,748
the most intimately and successfully are actually right here in in bitcoin park's backyard the

485
00:50:17,748 --> 00:50:27,328
phantom power group has started a a community on the mighty network and they're aggregating like

486
00:50:27,328 --> 00:50:32,248
when they have these four musicians that are going to come in tomorrow they're going to be

487
00:50:32,248 --> 00:50:40,428
onboarded to this network and it's this online community where everybody everybody can kind of

488
00:50:40,428 --> 00:50:46,308
speak freely and not you know the idea is you're not going to run into those like

489
00:50:46,308 --> 00:50:53,808
points of shame where you might you might say the wrong might say the wrong thing and

490
00:50:53,808 --> 00:51:00,268
reference uh alt this is backstage this is backstage like backstage talk locker room talk

491
00:51:00,268 --> 00:51:05,628
you're you're with other uh they're from the rock stars you're yeah you guys are gonna talk a little

492
00:51:05,628 --> 00:51:12,928
bit loose about you know some of the some of the experiences you had on the blockchain and that is

493
00:51:12,928 --> 00:51:19,248
that is a direct result of the work that phantom power has been doing in the last year plus and

494
00:51:19,248 --> 00:51:24,808
seeing some of the experiences of the musicians that you know because we've partnered together

495
00:51:24,808 --> 00:51:34,268
on most of the the larger shows that tunester's done and the artists um you know for various

496
00:51:34,268 --> 00:51:39,228
reasons some of them got really interested and then they just fell off and they they either

497
00:51:39,228 --> 00:51:46,448
didn't get the results or they got intimidated um some of them yeah some of them definitely have uh

498
00:51:46,448 --> 00:51:55,528
had mixed thoughts about you know the political landscape on nostor and that's just you know

499
00:51:55,528 --> 00:52:03,248
that's just an unfortunate side effect of of what what's gone on in the world and and how the artist

500
00:52:03,248 --> 00:52:10,708
community generally trends in that direction yeah so yeah when you don't know the difference

501
00:52:10,708 --> 00:52:18,188
between bitcoin and trump coin it all looks the same and and so this community that phantom power

502
00:52:18,188 --> 00:52:23,948
has put together is it's just getting started they launched it over the summer but it's a fantastic

503
00:52:23,948 --> 00:52:31,588
idea to give that little buffer of protection and safety to let people step on their toes and not

504
00:52:31,588 --> 00:52:38,388
have to get just murdered in the plain sight of the internet and say the wrong thing yeah we need

505
00:52:38,388 --> 00:52:46,988
we need more places that it's just it's um it's public that you don't have to pass any purity

506
00:52:46,988 --> 00:52:53,608
tests to have a conversation here or to collaborate here to learn here to talk here you don't need to

507
00:52:53,608 --> 00:52:59,768
pass any purity tests uh to belong and i think that is more important than ever it's fine if you

508
00:52:59,768 --> 00:53:06,628
want to have echo chambers it's fine if you want to just see your timeline just completely full of

509
00:53:06,628 --> 00:53:13,948
ghost of dick whitman saying you know every single ticker on uh the cop 100 is a scam is a shit coin

510
00:53:13,948 --> 00:53:19,128
we did it we get it some people like that but if you want to go someplace where you you're not gonna

511
00:53:19,128 --> 00:53:26,628
you're not gonna get kicked out for accidentally posting about monero like boom come here yeah

512
00:53:26,628 --> 00:53:33,468
it makes sense it's kind of like uh it's kind of like training wheels you know what i mean like you

513
00:53:33,468 --> 00:53:39,608
uh like when you're teaching a kid how to ride a bike a lot of times you don't just uh unless

514
00:53:39,608 --> 00:53:44,848
you're like my dad you know slap you on the bike and just push you down the steepest hill possible

515
00:53:44,848 --> 00:53:53,568
and be like call you a pussy when you fall over uh a lot of people like benefit from from learning uh

516
00:53:53,568 --> 00:54:02,008
not getting thrown into the fire initially it makes sense yeah i don't know like should matthew

517
00:54:02,008 --> 00:54:08,628
crater crater do a 750 course like teaching people about all the purity tests and the

518
00:54:08,628 --> 00:54:14,188
intricacies of a bitcoin culture and we should accept expect these artists to go through the

519
00:54:14,188 --> 00:54:20,188
course first or we'd ensure that we'd have based musicians or maybe a musician

520
00:54:20,188 --> 00:54:28,508
yeah you shouldn't have to take like an sat course to prepare for all the purity tests you're gonna

521
00:54:28,508 --> 00:54:34,528
have to pass your first day on a new social media app that you were hoping you would just be like

522
00:54:34,528 --> 00:54:38,928
hey like i'm gonna make new friends here i'm gonna find new fans and immediately you're subject to

523
00:54:38,928 --> 00:54:44,088
this bar exam before you're allowed into the community then we need to get rid of that but

524
00:54:44,088 --> 00:54:57,833
The people who come to these groups also have to remember that what this means is it similar like if you do stand comedy like if you go to an open mic you gonna have to listen to somebody who might not

525
00:54:57,833 --> 00:55:04,213
be that articular that funny do their best israel gaza jokes and they're going to be really

526
00:55:04,213 --> 00:55:10,733
fucking yeah it's just going to be you're going to be shaking your head but that's the risk you

527
00:55:10,733 --> 00:55:17,113
take it's going to be there all that's going to potentially be there but uh everybody can still

528
00:55:17,113 --> 00:55:23,793
laugh at a laugh at a good joke i i really like the idea of bitcoin standardized testing so like

529
00:55:23,793 --> 00:55:30,193
we have a new person coming to the community we issue them like an lsat or an sat they have their

530
00:55:30,193 --> 00:55:37,053
score it determines how much we should boost them on nostr or you know the podcast appearances that

531
00:55:37,053 --> 00:55:43,073
they have it's how many if we should follow them or not like if you're below like a certain score

532
00:55:43,073 --> 00:55:49,233
you're like a bad bitcoiner uh you have the ability to court or credit score yeah yeah

533
00:55:49,233 --> 00:55:54,873
bitcoiner credit score yeah i like that a lot like an influencer credit score you have it's like

534
00:55:54,873 --> 00:55:59,133
you're if you're a bitcoin influencer this is your kind of like credit score are you a scammer

535
00:55:59,133 --> 00:56:05,793
like do you have to bring it up or do you got like a pristine got pristine collateral for reputation

536
00:56:05,793 --> 00:56:10,593
i mean it'd make a lot of sense for these these bitcoin treasury companies like

537
00:56:10,593 --> 00:56:19,813
you know like you see that preston pish just got hired by one so all the podcasters are getting

538
00:56:19,813 --> 00:56:24,593
gobbled out but they're going to run out of podcasters eventually and they're going to have

539
00:56:24,593 --> 00:56:32,453
to start going to musical artists at some point and uh it makes sense like you have to achieve a

540
00:56:32,453 --> 00:56:43,133
certain score to like get a sponsorship from cold card or like uh to uh go on what bitcoin did or or

541
00:56:43,133 --> 00:56:49,253
to you know sit on the board of micro strategy or whatever get an advisory uh roll at sequins or

542
00:56:49,253 --> 00:56:57,073
is that am i saying right sequins or saquans saquans like saquan barkley from the philadelphia

543
00:56:57,073 --> 00:57:04,053
the eagles yeah to speak to speak at bitcoin magazines conference like i just think this

544
00:57:04,053 --> 00:57:09,393
makes a whole lot of sense i think i think plenitor would agree with us on this yeah um

545
00:57:09,393 --> 00:57:15,913
gee that's that he would love that in fact he would probably run in like a he would start it

546
00:57:15,913 --> 00:57:21,013
like you're get it on umbral but he doesn't like umbral so like a home server so you run your own

547
00:57:21,013 --> 00:57:26,253
influencer credit score it's like a note it's like you know that this credit score is not uh

548
00:57:26,253 --> 00:57:34,053
made up like start nine server yeah i'm sure start nine would be down with that that makes sense

549
00:57:34,053 --> 00:57:42,573
all righty well uh one of the things that we do mike is um at the end of every show is we

550
00:57:42,573 --> 00:57:49,593
go through all the boosts uh did you listen to our last show we we interviewed crypto mags

551
00:57:49,593 --> 00:57:55,333
i don't think i've gotten to that one yet well we won't give you a hard time we know you're a

552
00:57:55,333 --> 00:58:02,133
regular listener um yeah so we interviewed crypto mag she is the canadian queen of uh paper bitcoin

553
00:58:02,133 --> 00:58:08,813
there's a good time shout out to crypto mag she's hot she's gonna start a podcast soon

554
00:58:08,813 --> 00:58:16,913
a blonde podcast i'm down yeah we need more hot blondes doing podcasts for sure

555
00:58:16,913 --> 00:58:22,533
her and i her and i've been uh talking uh about podcasts i mean there's uh

556
00:58:22,533 --> 00:58:26,653
uh, you know, it's like somebody that has been doing this for a while,

557
00:58:26,653 --> 00:58:30,193
forget how much of a learning curve there is with this stuff.

558
00:58:30,213 --> 00:58:31,813
Like podcasting is hard work.

559
00:58:32,253 --> 00:58:34,513
There's a lot of people that drop off.

560
00:58:35,233 --> 00:58:40,033
Um, there's a lot of people that choose not to, not to do it.

561
00:58:40,413 --> 00:58:42,553
You know, listening to podcasts is hard work,

562
00:58:42,553 --> 00:58:44,193
but producing them is also hard work.

563
00:58:44,713 --> 00:58:47,033
Uh, yeah.

564
00:58:47,033 --> 00:58:50,833
Anyways, first boost 1000 sats.

565
00:58:51,093 --> 00:58:52,313
You'll know this guy.

566
00:58:52,533 --> 00:58:59,873
pies he says one of the highlights of my life is being referred to as a thirst trap by the bugle

567
00:58:59,873 --> 00:59:09,213
boys lfg with four exclamation points uh strong arm strong arm strong arm mushroom mushroom mushroom

568
00:59:09,213 --> 00:59:17,693
salute salute salute you probably know pies pretty well legend he's everywhere do you think he's a

569
00:59:17,693 --> 00:59:25,793
thirst trip he's definitely he's got to be 80 hours per week don't you say i think i i think

570
00:59:25,793 --> 00:59:31,513
we just we need to get pies listening to uh some of this music he's listening to a lot of podcasts

571
00:59:31,513 --> 00:59:35,813
but he's also constantly like every couple episodes he'll be like i'm just his ears are

572
00:59:35,813 --> 00:59:42,573
bleeding either from you know destruction work uh or listening to me podcasts but it's like he's

573
00:59:42,573 --> 00:59:46,233
like he's gonna take time away i think he should start listening to some of this music because if

574
00:59:46,233 --> 00:59:47,893
If you started getting into this,

575
00:59:48,033 --> 00:59:50,173
the pies would be blasting us on the boom box

576
00:59:50,173 --> 00:59:51,313
at the construction site.

577
00:59:51,413 --> 00:59:52,693
You could hear it all throughout the neighborhood.

578
00:59:54,213 --> 00:59:55,673
Everybody's too afraid of him

579
00:59:55,673 --> 00:59:57,453
to tell him to turn down the volume.

580
00:59:57,673 --> 00:59:58,193
Like nobody's,

581
00:59:58,313 --> 01:00:00,193
if you think that you're going to go up to pies,

582
01:00:00,253 --> 01:00:01,293
if you saw him in public

583
01:00:01,293 --> 01:00:03,373
and ask him to turn down the volume

584
01:00:03,373 --> 01:00:05,113
on his boom box or in his headphones,

585
01:00:05,713 --> 01:00:07,733
yeah, you probably wouldn't do it.

586
01:00:08,893 --> 01:00:12,173
And dude, he'll be hitting them with 40 hours per week,

587
01:00:12,173 --> 01:00:14,733
teams for TRL and like while they're in Osborne.

588
01:00:14,733 --> 01:00:20,353
dude pies might be we got to get pies listen to this music who should pies who should pies check

589
01:00:20,353 --> 01:00:27,673
out do you think do you think he might like yeah what type of music do you think pies listens to

590
01:00:27,673 --> 01:00:35,913
see a hip-hop guy i was i was thinking beastie boys in my head i think try try doom tree and

591
01:00:35,913 --> 01:00:44,013
laser beak doom tree is a legendary independent hip-hop collective in minneapolis um they uploaded

592
01:00:44,013 --> 01:00:54,773
their album from about 15 years ago 12 years ago onto wave lake and i tell you if if v4v was around

593
01:00:54,773 --> 01:01:01,193
when that album came out i'd be a broke son of a bitch i listen to that so much um and uh i love

594
01:01:01,193 --> 01:01:07,973
those guys and laser beak is the is one of the artists in that group so his his music is his

595
01:01:07,973 --> 01:01:15,413
solo career from doom tree i think i was listening they have very clever lyrics yeah they're great i

596
01:01:15,413 --> 01:01:21,693
mean if we put a show on sale for doom tree right now that probably sell 10 000 tickets and just

597
01:01:21,693 --> 01:01:27,593
minneapolis would go nuts so they're phenomenal yeah

598
01:01:27,593 --> 01:01:38,433
speaking of minneapolis uh what a crazy city they're calling it little mogadishu now right

599
01:01:38,433 --> 01:01:45,093
because of all the immigrants yeah that we have the largest somali and mong

600
01:01:45,093 --> 01:01:52,433
communities outside of their homeland yeah so is anybody orange filling them

601
01:01:52,433 --> 01:01:59,633
got to get dennis porter on the job right but you need to get dennis the ass exactly i've not seen

602
01:01:59,633 --> 01:02:04,153
him in minneapolis anytime recently well if you're gonna orange pill the somalis you're about to get

603
01:02:04,153 --> 01:02:09,593
a minneapolis about to get a somali mayor so that's a reason for dennis porter to go out there

604
01:02:09,593 --> 01:02:17,273
because he he likes the orange pill interesting there we go um so is it minnesota that is the

605
01:02:17,273 --> 01:02:23,833
land of lakes yeah 10 000 lakes sir has there been any concerns about all these smallies moving out

606
01:02:23,833 --> 01:02:32,313
there uh becoming pirates on these lakes i have not i have not heard of this concern yet but i

607
01:02:32,313 --> 01:02:39,093
now i'm you know it's an election season here i'm gonna go have to go have to kick the kick the tires

608
01:02:39,093 --> 01:02:44,693
here and see if this is on any of the dockets for discussion this november yeah it's good to remind

609
01:02:44,693 --> 01:02:52,113
all those lakes minnesota is underrated place to go for a boating accident yes there are lots of

610
01:02:52,113 --> 01:02:59,773
them that's we have a strong bitcoin community of people who've lost their bitcoin well i mean

611
01:02:59,773 --> 01:03:07,533
you know it's kind of a risky situation you know like you go out to the lake you're playing on

612
01:03:07,533 --> 01:03:12,893
having a boating accident and you accidentally run into somalis who end up pirating your bitcoin

613
01:03:12,893 --> 01:03:14,033
So it just doesn't go.

614
01:03:14,573 --> 01:03:20,193
You want your keys to be at the bottom of the lake, but they end up in the hands of a Somali pirate.

615
01:03:20,713 --> 01:03:22,233
It's a dangerous situation.

616
01:03:23,193 --> 01:03:37,697
For most people if you think about it you do not think that an hour outside of Duluth Minnesota is a likely place to run into somali pirates so you just not going to be prepared for it and if you don know so it it

617
01:03:38,417 --> 01:03:45,297
just know the rest i've been enjoying the i am the captain memes about the future mayor i don't

618
01:03:45,297 --> 01:03:50,497
really have anything against him for being somali it's just he's communist you know they're they're

619
01:03:50,497 --> 01:04:00,317
are the worst odd the next uh yeah a bite so pies you gotta get into teenster um you gotta start

620
01:04:00,317 --> 01:04:05,277
listening to this music because i think you're gonna be into it the next one is from turkey

621
01:04:05,277 --> 01:04:14,397
500 sats turkey did not have a message thank you turkey uh the next one bitcoin account

622
01:04:14,397 --> 01:04:24,157
212 sets bugle makes going to the laundromat an enjoyable 40 hour per week day and yes uh

623
01:04:24,157 --> 01:04:31,377
absolutely uh sitting in traffic waiting for your wife to try on clothes at the mall

624
01:04:31,377 --> 01:04:38,417
uh going to the laundromat all those are great opportunities to listen to more bitcoin podcasts

625
01:04:38,417 --> 01:04:45,917
when's the last time that you went to a laundromat mike buying no kyc bitcoin during

626
01:04:45,917 --> 01:04:52,397
covid really yeah the guy wanted to meet at a laundromat there's uh there was one of the last

627
01:04:52,397 --> 01:04:57,357
this has all subsequently been lost in boating accidents with smallie pirates involved but

628
01:04:57,357 --> 01:05:03,737
the uh laundromat in town there's one left that didn't have kyc requirements

629
01:05:03,737 --> 01:05:13,857
for an atm and so i'd just drive there you know as during the during the mask era and just roll up

630
01:05:13,857 --> 01:05:23,097
and and uh get your get your kyc free bitcoin and call it a day so i did that for a while until they

631
01:05:23,097 --> 01:05:30,237
took it away what's the point of a bitcoin atm if it has kyc because like bitcoin atms they're

632
01:05:30,237 --> 01:05:35,997
known for having horrendous exchange rates yeah no it's that's not a good economical decision it's

633
01:05:35,997 --> 01:05:44,237
you got to place a premium on that bitcoin and take take good care of it but if you're if you're

634
01:05:44,237 --> 01:05:49,517
scanning your driver's license and taking a selfie there's i can't even remember what the premium is

635
01:05:49,517 --> 01:05:56,617
like 15 20 it's stupid well they'll have a premium on the price but then also charge some outrageous

636
01:05:56,617 --> 01:06:03,317
just fee on top of that yeah it's like stub hub they get you on both sides so who do you think

637
01:06:03,317 --> 01:06:08,397
or like the types of customers that are using those services now it's just obviously people

638
01:06:08,397 --> 01:06:13,417
that don't listen to uh bitcoin podcasts they don't hear marty tell them that river's the best

639
01:06:13,417 --> 01:06:20,937
place to buy bitcoin or you know whichever exchange is sponsoring it i have no clue but probably uh

640
01:06:20,937 --> 01:06:26,137
i don't know maybe the ethbros are buying their etc on there or something

641
01:06:26,137 --> 01:06:34,237
oh interesting they got all kinds of shit coins on there you buy monero that's the question no

642
01:06:34,237 --> 01:06:41,197
no exchanges have monero so maybe the bitcoin atms have monero well right now they're getting 51

643
01:06:41,197 --> 01:06:47,257
percent attack so you might boost somebody with monero and then comes to find out it's got reord

644
01:06:47,257 --> 01:06:53,717
uh and they didn't get uh they didn't get their pay anyway yeah i think uh i don't know what's

645
01:06:53,717 --> 01:06:57,957
going on over there i need to look into it more i saw peter todd tweeting about it

646
01:06:57,957 --> 01:07:04,457
it's pretty interesting we need monero bid access to defend the network

647
01:07:04,457 --> 01:07:08,297
i think they i think they call them laptops but

648
01:07:08,297 --> 01:07:14,037
i'm not sure about that you'll probably use your cell phone too

649
01:07:14,037 --> 01:07:23,117
uh nostrigang101sats a shout out to clara and fitz tallow for sunning your tits

650
01:07:23,717 --> 01:07:35,537
yeah uh crypto mags was shilling uh clarin fits tallow who's your favorite tallow person so there's

651
01:07:35,537 --> 01:07:41,457
there's a few so there's clarin fits i'd never heard of them there's uh kit sats she's got golden

652
01:07:41,457 --> 01:07:47,217
tallow steak and shake has tallow steak and shakes my favorite tallow that's what i use on my face

653
01:07:47,217 --> 01:07:51,977
is steak and shake tallow that's the only one that i'm familiar with i'm a big fan of steak and shake

654
01:07:51,977 --> 01:07:58,497
no complaints from open mike what do you think's better steak and shake or waffle house

655
01:07:58,497 --> 01:08:05,917
it's got to be steak and shake the problem with steak and shake is they close they're not 24 hours

656
01:08:05,917 --> 01:08:11,437
that's true oh so on the last episode uh the bugle weekly ron and i did we were doing we're

657
01:08:11,437 --> 01:08:16,557
debating on which um you know when when bitcoin fixes everything all the restaurants are going to

658
01:08:16,557 --> 01:08:22,697
let you smoke cigarettes inside again what do you think the first restaurant to allow people to smoke

659
01:08:22,697 --> 01:08:31,977
inside is going to be i i said waffle house that's a that's a pretty strong lead um denny's got to be

660
01:08:31,977 --> 01:08:38,477
up there you think denny's yeah we we discussed denny's denny's was uh part of this i don't think

661
01:08:38,477 --> 01:08:44,817
it's denny's yeah but i mean there's a lot of pressure on denny's they they're they claim to

662
01:08:44,817 --> 01:08:52,337
be america's diner to retain that title i i think they they really have to let people smoke inside

663
01:08:52,337 --> 01:09:01,197
again it's like they're in the running my hope for dennis porter is that once he's uh orange

664
01:09:01,197 --> 01:09:05,077
pilled every single politician that he's going to start teaching people about cigarettes but

665
01:09:05,077 --> 01:09:11,257
you know i first and i heard some people talk about our last episode and we had this discussion

666
01:09:11,257 --> 01:09:15,757
and they said that in their mind, the Citadels,

667
01:09:16,997 --> 01:09:19,977
the McDonald's will have the big ball pit,

668
01:09:20,517 --> 01:09:22,797
and the parents will be able to sit inside,

669
01:09:23,697 --> 01:09:25,377
watch their kids play in the McDonald's ball pit,

670
01:09:25,477 --> 01:09:26,537
smoke cigarettes inside.

671
01:09:27,237 --> 01:09:31,157
So I switched mine from Walling John Silver's to McDonald's.

672
01:09:31,197 --> 01:09:32,677
I think people are going to have that nostalgia.

673
01:09:32,977 --> 01:09:33,737
I hope so.

674
01:09:35,097 --> 01:09:36,617
McDonald's has really gone downhill.

675
01:09:36,617 --> 01:09:42,957
i've been trying to reach people at mcdonald's for years now to figure out where the dollar menu

676
01:09:42,957 --> 01:09:49,517
went and they will not respond to me i don't know what their deal is they just rug pulled the entire

677
01:09:49,517 --> 01:09:56,197
world i don't know if they're like waiting to bring back the usdt menu or something or what

678
01:09:56,197 --> 01:10:01,917
the deal is here but we had the orange bill ronald mcdonald i guess i mean mcdonald's

679
01:10:01,917 --> 01:10:10,537
adopting bitcoin if you could pay um maybe that could bring back the dollar menu is uh usdt over

680
01:10:10,537 --> 01:10:15,417
tether you could pay mcdonald's but yeah we need the orange bill ronald mcdonald's i think

681
01:10:15,417 --> 01:10:22,257
and those the new bill their new mcdonald's they're just like the most they're like disto

682
01:10:22,257 --> 01:10:27,417
they're like communist rest like there's no character there's no culture there's no bitcoin

683
01:10:27,417 --> 01:10:33,017
podcasts you know pictures on the wall it's just sterile and i think that i think it's awful

684
01:10:33,017 --> 01:10:42,457
no made x art yeah right um so i thought that was interesting uh and nostril gang you know

685
01:10:42,457 --> 01:10:47,917
fits she's just shots out clara and fitz tallow again for sunning your tits and they're just

686
01:10:47,917 --> 01:10:53,777
one of the guys that leads to toshi actually a couple guys they were talking about if bitcoin

687
01:10:53,777 --> 01:11:00,457
hits 250k they were gonna maybe buy their wife new fake tits but the tie-in was that they were

688
01:11:00,457 --> 01:11:05,897
thinking about using tallow instead of silicone for their wife's fake tits for 250k and i just

689
01:11:05,897 --> 01:11:11,497
thought that was interesting people are using tallow now i think that's a bad purchase i'm

690
01:11:11,497 --> 01:11:17,777
personally a small tit guy but that's just me there are some guys like big utxos some guys like

691
01:11:17,777 --> 01:11:22,697
small utxos you know it's just everybody's got their private that's you can express yourself

692
01:11:22,697 --> 01:11:23,877
however you want.

693
01:11:23,957 --> 01:11:25,797
But if you are a big boob guy,

694
01:11:27,117 --> 01:11:30,097
look into tallow instead of silicone.

695
01:11:30,517 --> 01:11:31,337
Apparently, it's out there.

696
01:11:32,037 --> 01:11:35,257
I think a much better buy

697
01:11:35,257 --> 01:11:37,397
is remodeling your kitchen

698
01:11:37,397 --> 01:11:40,677
than fake tits.

699
01:11:41,117 --> 01:11:41,777
I don't know.

700
01:11:41,877 --> 01:11:43,917
I feel like your wife will want to have sex with you more

701
01:11:43,917 --> 01:11:45,337
with the remodeling kitchen.

702
01:11:46,237 --> 01:11:47,657
I think remodeling your kitchen,

703
01:11:47,837 --> 01:11:49,197
new fake tits,

704
01:11:49,237 --> 01:11:50,677
I think we're saying the same thing, buddy.

705
01:11:50,837 --> 01:11:51,877
Just different ways.

706
01:11:52,697 --> 01:11:58,937
the remodeled kitchen though will probably help her cook better so that's uh

707
01:11:58,937 --> 01:12:15,722
i don know how fake tits can make sex better i just feel like they they get in the way and they feel weird but i don have any experience with fake fake tits so i don know i i don i not gonna have experience but what the what the official toonster

708
01:12:15,722 --> 01:12:21,482
position on fake tits all are welcome here all tits matter

709
01:12:21,482 --> 01:12:30,002
at toonster all tits matter that's a that's a pretty safe uh perspective um you can't go wrong

710
01:12:30,002 --> 01:12:30,282
Oh yeah.

711
01:12:30,442 --> 01:12:30,922
Tits matter.

712
01:12:31,462 --> 01:12:34,442
Like almost everybody can universally agree on that.

713
01:12:34,862 --> 01:12:35,442
Except for me.

714
01:12:35,982 --> 01:12:36,342
I like smart people.

715
01:12:36,342 --> 01:12:38,182
Even man boots.

716
01:12:38,322 --> 01:12:39,002
Even man boots.

717
01:12:39,402 --> 01:12:40,102
Some of you have done them.

718
01:12:42,042 --> 01:12:43,942
The next one pies again.

719
01:12:44,382 --> 01:12:45,162
100 sats.

720
01:12:45,842 --> 01:12:49,222
My ADHD led me down the path of criminal underworld.

721
01:12:49,222 --> 01:12:57,342
But it also became my super bowl or my superpower when I changed my ways and helped me go down the Bitcoin rabbit hole.

722
01:12:58,122 --> 01:12:58,302
Yeah.

723
01:12:58,302 --> 01:13:07,442
um pies is he's not shy about his his transfer his bitcoin transformation um

724
01:13:07,442 --> 01:13:13,302
if it can fix pies it could fix anyone and some of you you know need to realize that

725
01:13:14,162 --> 01:13:24,862
uh the hell yeah thank you pies uh last boost btc on board there he is thumbs up thumbs up

726
01:13:24,862 --> 01:13:33,282
thumbs up thank you btc on board mike really appreciate you coming on the show you got anything

727
01:13:33,282 --> 01:13:39,782
you want to shout out before we uh wrap this obviously everybody should uh that can should

728
01:13:39,782 --> 01:13:46,782
come to that event tomorrow night yeah thanks for having me this has been great um love the bugle

729
01:13:46,782 --> 01:13:54,002
love what you guys are up to and um keep the keep the zaps going you know we really got to make sure

730
01:13:54,002 --> 01:14:01,142
uh content creators like yourselves are getting getting the love we need the success stories to

731
01:14:01,142 --> 01:14:07,442
share with other artists to get them on board so we're changing the world we're changing the way

732
01:14:07,442 --> 01:14:17,362
that the uh content marketplace ecosystem works when you guys boost us it shows everybody else

733
01:14:17,362 --> 01:14:20,922
that there's something happening here.

734
01:14:21,042 --> 01:14:24,622
If you're tired of listening to podcasters,

735
01:14:25,222 --> 01:14:28,942
Shell BlockFi, and Shell KYC exchanges,

736
01:14:29,942 --> 01:14:32,402
you have a way to change the world.

737
01:14:32,542 --> 01:14:34,702
It's better than running a BIDX, in my opinion.

738
01:14:38,482 --> 01:14:42,282
Before you go, so, yeah, Toonster,

739
01:14:42,962 --> 01:14:44,602
if you're listening right now

740
01:14:44,602 --> 01:14:50,002
and you're you you're not even you never knew about teamster before and you're interested

741
01:14:50,002 --> 01:14:56,302
where do you go what can you do at teamster like what is there a video some content that's a

742
01:14:56,302 --> 01:15:01,742
the product like is doing well right now that you'd say go check this out and how do i how do

743
01:15:01,742 --> 01:15:08,282
i do that how do i get there yeah so toonster is a fork of zap.stream so if you have a nostr id

744
01:15:08,282 --> 01:15:17,482
Noster and Pub key pair you can you can log in and and launch a stream now if if you're not doing

745
01:15:17,482 --> 01:15:26,362
music you you need to reach out to me we have a a whitelist you know for the for the musicians to

746
01:15:26,362 --> 01:15:34,262
ensure that the community is just all music focused but hit me up with a DM love to hear

747
01:15:34,262 --> 01:15:41,882
hear what you're up to as a as an artist or a performer entertainer and um then we you know

748
01:15:41,882 --> 01:15:47,582
teach you how to how to onboard and and uh you're free to just launch your streams and do whatever

749
01:15:47,582 --> 01:15:55,122
you want with the product um and you help them it's all open source on github yeah and if they're

750
01:15:55,122 --> 01:16:00,962
more use of it if they if they're new and they're doing their first stream like how should they do

751
01:16:00,962 --> 01:16:08,482
helped like to like how somebody hey somebody a new uh a new artist just uh is is now streaming

752
01:16:09,202 --> 01:16:15,202
on tunes for like go check it out so when they're you know so somebody sums and checks it out and

753
01:16:15,202 --> 01:16:21,202
sees if they like it yep then then we're here to help and here to promote and

754
01:16:22,082 --> 01:16:26,962
you know work on that discoverability getting the word out i'm currently zapping ainsley costella

755
01:16:26,962 --> 01:16:36,802
um so best place to dmu is on austere how the hell did you almost get 25 000 subscribers

756
01:16:36,802 --> 01:16:44,562
or followers you're 24 766 how'd you pull that off i have no idea i just i just do me

757
01:16:44,562 --> 01:16:52,622
grinding away well there you go folks this is the conclusion of the interview

758
01:16:52,622 --> 01:16:58,802
with the most important person in the value for value music ecosystem.

759
01:16:59,462 --> 01:17:01,862
Thank you all for tuning in.

760
01:17:02,882 --> 01:17:07,082
And we'll catch you on the next episode of The Bugles Behind the Podcast.

761
01:17:08,522 --> 01:17:11,242
Here's where your story begins.

762
01:17:11,662 --> 01:17:13,542
The journey will be long.

763
01:17:13,882 --> 01:17:17,002
There'll be dark days, but you'll choose to be strong.

764
01:17:17,002 --> 01:17:22,822
Time is running away like a bullet from a gun

765
01:17:22,822 --> 01:17:29,602
Enjoy it while you can, the past can't be undone

766
01:17:29,602 --> 01:17:35,782
Across the roads, choices to be made

767
01:17:35,782 --> 01:17:39,362
It's your story to write, embrace faith

768
01:17:39,362 --> 01:17:44,982
This is not how the journey ends

769
01:17:44,982 --> 01:17:47,042
No need to wait

770
01:17:47,042 --> 01:17:50,742
Run with the wind

771
01:17:50,742 --> 01:18:04,482
Explosions all across the sky

772
01:18:04,482 --> 01:18:06,782
They try to make you quit

773
01:18:06,782 --> 01:18:08,742
But you can't comply

774
01:18:08,742 --> 01:18:13,622
Cigarette in hand, fire in your eye

775
01:18:13,622 --> 01:18:19,302
You'd rather really live before it's your turn to die

776
01:18:19,302 --> 01:18:26,562
A crossroads, choices to be made

777
01:18:26,562 --> 01:18:30,122
It's your story to write, embrace faith

778
01:18:30,122 --> 01:18:35,762
This is not how the journey ends

779
01:18:35,762 --> 01:18:37,782
No need to wait

780
01:18:37,782 --> 01:18:41,262
Round with the wind

781
01:19:02,782 --> 01:19:06,882
Focus fixed on the path ahead

782
01:19:06,882 --> 01:19:11,162
The road is long but you can't prepare

783
01:19:11,162 --> 01:19:16,002
Open sky up above your head

784
01:19:16,002 --> 01:19:22,482
You'd rather try than submit to be misled

785
01:19:22,482 --> 01:19:25,642
Oh

786
01:19:25,642 --> 01:19:26,562
Oh

787
01:19:26,562 --> 01:19:28,562
Oh

788
01:19:28,562 --> 01:19:38,102
A crossroads, choices to be made

789
01:19:38,102 --> 01:19:41,662
It's your story to write, embrace fate

790
01:19:41,662 --> 01:19:47,282
This is not how the journey ends

791
01:19:47,282 --> 01:19:49,322
No need to wait

792
01:19:49,322 --> 01:19:52,922
Run with the wind

793
01:19:58,562 --> 01:20:04,582
Here's where your story begins

794
01:20:04,582 --> 01:20:06,702
The journey will be long

795
01:20:06,702 --> 01:20:10,162
There'll be dark days, but you'll choose to be strong

796
01:20:10,162 --> 01:20:15,902
Time is running away like a bullet from a gun

797
01:20:15,902 --> 01:20:22,222
Chase it while you can, the past can't be undone

798
01:20:22,222 --> 01:20:28,862
Across the roads, choices to be made

799
01:20:28,862 --> 01:20:32,382
It's your story to write, embrace faith

800
01:20:32,382 --> 01:20:38,002
This is not how the journey ends

801
01:20:38,002 --> 01:20:39,982
No need to wait

802
01:20:39,982 --> 01:20:43,582
Run with the wind