Transaction fees are hitting all-time lows.
Bitcoin is hitting all-time highs.
It is the summer of paper Bitcoin.
Runes and ordinals have nearly been forgotten,
yet there are still a handful of people who are refusing to forget that they exist.
There's one man who refuses to forget about ordinals.
For years, he walked amongst the Bitcoin maximalists,
like a wolf in sheep's clothing,
only to reveal that he was a jpeg shitcoiner now he spends his time podcasting about bitcoin with
his new media company block space media in partnership with the broccoli haircut without
a broccoli haircut will foxley here to explain to us what is going on is the man the myth the
legend charlie spears how you doing tonight oh i'm fantastic if will gets to be broccoli then
i'm chart and uh maybe i'm asparagus and my name is asparagus fierce there's your like dumb intro
little effort jokes for the episode yeah charlie thanks for coming on if the you started this
media company called block space media and that is what you intended to take over the block space
with your ordinal spam um how much how much do you invest in the in the ordinals uh
uh,
taking over the block space and then it all like how,
basically how much does your taproot wizard?
I know those have gone way down in value and just wondering what the,
what the return was.
I'm probably,
you know,
the tax man is going to come after me,
but like I'm up man.
And you know why?
It's because I don't really buy these things.
I just have fun.
And I like,
I,
I mint stuff that my friends do and my friends are all smart and they're
brilliant.
And they figured out how to give me a low cost basis.
If you know how shitcoins work, insiders make all the money.
I've spent a decade making myself an insider.
So yeah, it's been great.
I've been having a blast extracting from the Bitcoin ecosystem.
And I'm finally ready to, now that I've made my bag, go into podcasting and assert my opinions on the unwilling listeners.
A tale as old as time.
it's looking at podcasting is going to be the new way to become an insider again
was it ever not i mean podcasts there's there's like a there's very much we're a hierarchical
society and podcasters are at the very top the builders and the developers are at the bottom
they serve us their entire existence is to come up with things for us to shit on
well yeah i that is uh you know on bitcoin twitter we romanticize the bitcoin podcaster
but to be a little more serious we learned in the past six months or so especially with the election
and post-election that being a podcaster gets you a seat at the table i mean you've got
the vice president the president the secretary of state heads of state rfk jr at your beck and call
to be on your podcast it gets you it's like you're a main man you now have access to you know the
other captains like you've got you've got a pension so to speak not necessarily but if you
have you set up your podcast on on fountain you could have a royalties pension so many possibilities
but it's a seat at the table yeah rob but i've already extracted enough from bitcoiners do i do
I need another $200 a month from Fountain? I mean, I've already made my bag. I've forced them to buy
my JPEGs. I'm forcing them to store my JPEGs on their nodes. Like what more could I possibly want?
Well, the next step as a podcaster is to get a advisory role of some sort at a paper Bitcoin
company and then now you get to extract money from the boomers yeah that is they are the final
exit liquidity um that's why if you noticed i changed my profile picture on twitter recently
um i've i had a profile picture which i've had for over a decade now and i updated it for the
modern era for paper bitcoin summer i had oody wortimer um make me a one-of-one jpeg with me
in a suit and so i put on the suit uh and nobody know nobody cared who i was until i put on the
suit and so now um now i'm uh i'm i'm in the market so if you have uh like a steven lubka
type position at your company i would love to uh take it through an aspiring suit coiner yeah you
don't it's dress for the job you want not the job you have yeah you want to be the net yeah i mean
Dude, I was talking about this the other day.
This is an ambitious one.
I don't know if you're interested in it, but somebody's going to be interested in it.
I think the right podcaster could turn Grayscale Bitcoin Trust, GBTC, right around.
Now it's an ETF.
Now it doesn't have the premium problem, the discount problem.
It's not the closed-end fund anymore.
Now you could turn GDTC into the next Fidelity Bitcoin ETF or like the next, you know, MetaPlanet, one of those.
You've got a good look at the – yeah, I mean Barry Silbert hasn't been on a Bitcoin podcast in a long time.
Just think, you know, Barry, if you're listening, I know you're a loyal listener of the show.
Imagine what we could do with a grayscale under DCG Bitcoin podcast.
We could get that premium back up.
We could get that MNAV at 150% again.
That was cool back in the day.
Barry can stick to doing what he does best, rehypothecation.
Yeah.
And he let a podcaster do the public relations, the front-facing.
Let a Bitcoin podcast, somebody like Lupka, somebody even better,
and you just rehypothecate.
That's all you got to do.
Yeah. If you could only like stake podcasts and then you could somehow stake your podcast to get yield on it.
I don't know. I'm spitballing. I don't know. I'll leave that. I don't want to give away all my secrets on this show.
If there's somebody that I would be confident in that could figure out how to stake podcasts like you're describing, it would probably be BitDigital.
Yeah, I mean, they're making a big move into Ethereum.
This is quite a trade.
Out of Bitcoin, into Ethereum, like it's 2019 all over again.
It's the trade of the cycle.
The shitcoiners, they always come back to Bitcoin Podcast.
They're the prodigal children.
They'll always come home.
they'll realize uh they have to come back eventually as as a value extractor professional
you're a credentialed value extractor from the ecosystem what do you worry that solana is going
to steal some of that boomer liquidity by basically we we talk about this on the time of our podcast
the boomers love to just gamble their social security away in vegas and we saw that we were
in vegas you know just a few months ago i was amazed at how many boomers were there just fucking
gambling there's also are you worried that solana mean coin community is going to steal that
liquidity are you going to be able to capture that in paper bitcoin or in ordinals or some
in some way on bitcoin uh that is i'm glad you got right to it that is the the problem that
everyone's trying to solve for is how to keep solana from taking all the boomers money and i
have bad news for you. It's a permissionless world and you can't stop them. You can only build
a better product. So if we can just figure out how to make Bitcoin's block times a hundred thousand
times faster and hire a CEO and make him retarded, then I think we may have a fighting chance.
I think you're underestimating Pleditor. He's got a potential to stop him.
You brought his name up first. If I were going to hire a CEO of Bitcoin,
i would hire planetor you need someone who's kind of got it but still like has giant holes missing
from their head um yeah i mean he's he checks all the boxes so i think i don't think the solution
to this problem of solana is why is a technical one and i want your reaction i think
that we need to inspire the broccoli haircuts because they're the ones building on solana
The broccoli haircuted zoomers are the rebellious.
They're better AI than their boomer parents and they're the annoying millennial and Gen X older brothers.
They're telling them Bitcoin only Bitcoin, not crypto Bitcoin only blah, blah, blah.
Don't be a scammer. You know, there's they're sticking and they're trolling and they're better than they're going to make a lot more money.
There's so much better at technology than us.
And if we can inspire more at like the virtuous broccoli air cuts, like Will Fox, like Dylan McClare.
We used to have Will Clemente.
We lost him.
He's with the freaking Solana assholes.
But I think we just have to win over the broccoli air cuts.
Yeah.
What happened to Will?
I thought he was one of us.
I, you know, he was.
He had a couple.
Brown pal dangled those scarves in front of him.
And he went right to him.
He went too deep into on-chain analytics.
because that was the hot thing back in like 19 and 20 was the on-chain boys willy woo yeah yeah
willy woo uh dylan and uh and uh and will and all we got is dylan still willy's kind of
ascended into his own category but dylan stayed with us and he's actually he's played the game
the best probably the second best that there ever was second to sailor himself is dylan i mean who
was the this time last year what was the thing is like he was making moves he's gonna be the sailor
of japan um the saver if you will and uh so he yeah he's gonna be he's already like uh on his uh
third or fourth like major extraction event you gotta hand it to him kids got it do you do you
think the platter is like it's worried that dylan might make a play for nintendo like if dylan
mcclare because manaphylian announced the other day that they're going to let their accretion of
their bitcoin uh on their balance sheet grow and then they're going to go out and they're going to
find productive companies that they can acquire so they can build their empire do you think
nintendo is in their crosshairs and if the old mcclare gets control over distribution the nintendo
switch plenitor's permissionless access to video games is in jeopardy and do you think he's worried
about that.
Yeah, it's
an existential threat If you think about it Dylan is in Japan which is we downstream culturally in japan japan makes all the predators favorite movies i mean think of what
happens we'll never get an akira sequel if like if dylan gets his mighty hands in there and he
starts owning all the anime i mean he's we're we'll be relegated to only like you know we'll
only be able to play like death stranding one through ten because dylan will force us to play
hideo kojima games the rest of our lives like he's gonna it is uh it's the worst form of
colonialism and dylan's going to uh he's going to extract all that he can all the cultural and
monetary extraction meta planet will be a dry husk of a hotel company by the time he's done with it
yeah exactly planetor wanted to go colonize and and take all the japanese girls for his
girlfriends himself and and dylan's going in and stealing all that hot anime girls online think
dylan is hot and not pletitor now and it's just it's crushing them that's tough that's a tough one
yeah i mean it's the the window's not closing if pletitor were to go now to japan and were to make
his bid he could probably he could probably get a few numbers uh maybe he could wake up a few um
what do they call those people who get like who live inside never go outside again in japan
there's like shut-ins oh yeah probably wake a few of those sleepers up and um bring them back
to the united states and yeah i think they're religious people they call them monks oh bitcoin
maxis yeah no the japanese people that never come out yeah they're hikikomoris that's what they are
those are the bushido those are the bushido bitcoiners
they're too sucked in on twitter and on the roster yeah well there is a book called the
bushido of bitcoin right oh we're aware hell yeah oh yeah it's by my favorite um failed uh shark
tank uh star um i forget his name how uh how satisfying is it when you walk into a room because
you're a pretty tall guy so anybody that's met charlie's a tall he's a he's taller than you
might have expect and the bushido samurai warrior of bitcoin uh statski who you whom you speak of
is uh you know he's average average height for a bitcoiner you know so five yeah yeah um how
satisfying is that when you walk in like you and coin join christmas like fucking tower over him
i don't want to be sensitive because you know uh i'm not gonna lie there's an inverse
relationship between uh bravado and swaggering on elon's x platform and height it's an inverse
relationship but i mean look at udi no he's i'm just i'll give him some shit um you know like
hoddle magoo i don't even i don't know i've never met him so no i don't think i've met him
so maybe one of you guys is hoddle magoo i have no idea he was at our event in vegas oh yeah
i was gonna be there i just i was uh unfortunately kind of drunk um at a different event and it was
really difficult to get away from the teeming hordes of shit shit coiners who were coming to
asking for alpha yeah honomagoo he uh he was one of the wrestlers
it was pretty cool to see him there he came out of a trash can yeah he was dressed in green
he came up to me he introduced himself and he told me not to tell anybody
but i think it's probably safe now well there's a lot of wrestlers there and if we don't need
just know which one we're talking about yeah it could have been any of the wrestlers
no i uh i i will say i uh as much as i talk shit i mean i generally this is sarcastic hat off i
genuinely love meeting um my my online combatants in person i uh i do genuinely think that if i
just get a beer with somebody i can at least like you know chat with them a bit i actually had a
nice conversation with luke dash jr about a year ago um talking about um non-bitcoin things if you
can believe that so did you guys argue about who the right pope was actually we talked about
it was uh it was actually a religious conversation i was asking him for reference for like
recommendations for parishes i should visit i'm like no i don't like that one that much because
there this yeah this or that so um yeah that's funny oh hell yeah so that is that is a great one
like i i have a friend and he he's one of those guys who goes to like the board was like like a
like thunder mifflin you go like the paper convention he's just going around to these
different conventions like a consultant type guy and he goes to all these like regional airports
and he's uh so he loves talking about regional airports he's got opinions on like the avansville
you know illinois regional airport the toledo and regional airport he knows the best restaurants
he wants to talk about them like airport yeah and i feel like that would be that would be like luke
luke would be like he knows all the parishes he's like these ones these ones are super like
blasphemous stay away from that yeah yeah he had like an app he had like a database on his phone
he's like oh northeast oklahoma like pull it up and he like found and i was like oh i'm impressed
um and yeah so that was uh yeah i actually got a specific rap so um yeah i wouldn't be surprised
if i if i go there i'm going to take a picture i'm going to figure out a way to send him a message
uh out around him uh he blocked me so i can't message him directly anymore but i'll be like
hey i did it luke i actually went and what did you what what was it that got you blocked by luke
I tease and troll Luke a lot, but he's never blocked me.
So I've never said anything directly in reply to him, which is accusatory.
In fact, it's very rare that I go toe-to-toe in a thread against someone.
I think that's just kind of a losing battle, pigs in the mud kind of thing.
So I prefer indirect potshots or criticisms outside of tagging people.
Maybe it's a pedantic thing.
I think it's more strategic. Like, um, I just want to, you know, I'll, I do think he, it had,
he says insane things that I really, really disagree with. And I really, really, uh,
and more, actually I'm more dislike the, the worship of him. Um, so that's actually my bigger
issue. So, you know, I will, I used to not be as condescending cause I kind of enjoyed his like,
you know, this kind of weird, crazy, zany rapport. But, you know, post-filter war,
a lot of people who had somehow refrained from blocking me did block me, I think, because
I did get out and go into the arena and give my opinions on things.
And so, yeah, I didn't come across as neutral on that. Weirdly enough, the JPEGs didn't, like,
seemed to, like, wouldn't get me any true enemies. It was the filter discussion that really broke
the camel's back and got me blocked by a lot of people which is unfortunate but oh well they're
lost they don't they can't get all the hot jpeg alpha anymore i think one thing that's clear at
this point is that luke when he does die hopefully he doesn't get martyred but he will be sainted
probably by the catholic church or his his hard fork one um i don't know which one but he'll
definitely be saying it but yeah i mean one of the things i really disagree with luke on
which i think is really important so he you know he's got a strong stance against pornography
and i understand like his stance like from a religious standpoint and why a lot of people
believe that and i respect it i respect their belief on it uh but where it gets really problematic
is the definition his definition of what pornography is because he says pornography
fees anything that is sexually arousing. So if that's the case, then Dennis Porter would have to
be banned, which would be super problematic for me. Well, it's like that senator in the 1990s,
or maybe 1970s, when there was a famous debate on the floor of the Senate, the American Senate,
on indecency laws. And when the senator, the conservative, very, very conservative religious
senator was asked to define pornography he said i don't know i just know it when i see it um i feel
that that's the same way you know that we've that's we'd have a modern version of that and
yeah if i look at dennis you know you just change one letter of his first name and all of a sudden
it's a flagrant uh reference yeah so we've been following the communist nazi uh scuffle or
war or whatever you want to call it you know fairly closely i had to learn what the opera turn was
um can you unlearn what the opera turn is so we don't because we don't have to talk i'm just
kidding well i don't really want to talk about that well i guess so it seems like the cormier
is one it seemed like the cormier is one that the nazis are scattering it's very you know similar
where when the Soviets were rolling through Berlin
and the Nazis were just getting slaughtered
and all the leadership escaped to Argentina.
I feel like that's the moment that we're in right now.
Yeah.
The Nazis tried to invade Russia in the summer
and everyone knows you just don't do that.
and
both sides suffered
just like World War II
a lot of people died on both sides
and so
it's not just a zero sum game
it's a negative sum game
everybody's worse off for it
because as we know
Corpunism always wins
you can't contain it
and a policy of Corpunism containment
will just lead us to another
useless war in Vietnam
um remember the her are the biggest losers on each side of the debate like you said there was
you know a lot of losers as well in world war ii on each side of the debate i mean you've got
grasshead mechanic i don't i think that he's been a big winner short term i don't know i mean but
long term there's no way his family got the attention they deserved during that time me
I was just looking at the amount of screed he wrote across every conceivable platform, and there was no way that he was being a family man during that time.
I think he may have posted during church, too, sometimes.
So that's not okay.
Does Luke know this?
I don't think.
I suspect that Luke is the only real Catholic at Ocean Interesting He pretty clear what he thinks about fake Catholics worshiping the pedo king pope
Oh, yeah.
I think the Corbynists, what we learned, is that they need influencers.
I mean, Bitcoin treasury companies have influencers.
Bitcoin core dads need their own influence.
It's like Luke got his in Mechanic.
That's something that Richard Greaser pointed out.
but they need their own they at least need pr they they're not good enough they need to explain
themselves they need to be going on podcasts and they're not doing that and so it leads to
conspiracy theories and it leads to justin bachelor and his conspiracy theories like an
example of this is an example of this is i don't think any of us realize that gloria zhao was hot
until very recently when she went on a podcast yeah she went on a podcast like she was
stunning are you sure are you sure was immediately on the core side
yeah are you sure she was hot or that she was just next to shinobi
well the odd girls think shinobi's hot that was in this podcast
i mean yeah i think we should run with this narrative that the shinobi is an amplifier
for women's hotness levels on podcasts that'll help him land more hot women on his podcast for
sure but shinobi amplifies hot women that's for sure we can see that yeah yeah exactly no she's
genuinely hot uh i think if if we could just um sexualize core developers both men and women
and everything in between um then uh that's the first step towards healing and for core finally
regaining like cultural control because as we know sex sells sex merges prs um i'm trying to
yeah sex gets bit numbers that's it's time to it's time to objectify ava chow i'm i'm not a huge fan
of uh i'm not you know when i say a woman's hot i'm not i'm not trying to sexualize her in any way
i just you know i found her you know like she was good at communicating she was like you know
physically represented well she seemed really smart like she knew what she's talking about
uh so i i mean like i think there's a there's a distinction like you know my opinion is you know
we shouldn't be sexualizing cordes but i think at the same time we shouldn't be going on the
opposite end of the spectrum where we're uh expecting the cordevs to not have sex and not
to be sexual they don't have to wear yeah burkus when they go on podcast
yeah i mean that's how that's isn't that how prs get merged because you have to have multiple people
like sign on and that's like the currency of the of the core you could say um that
and i don't know if this has ever come up but do you think in in in such an instance
that if a husband needed his wife to to sign a pr to merge it can can the wife
say no to her husband or does she have to to approve the pull request i think it depends
on you know how not legally but what should she do
in my my views is uh my views uh one cpu one vote and by cpu i mean person so everybody gets a vote
um yeah doesn't have to be an economic though your wife doesn't have to have a profitable
but she could have actually an unprofitable business she could be running her own podcast
talking about taylor swift or girl stuff and costing you money but but see that's because
those podcasts make way more money than all of us i mean you and i we're all spinning our wheels
trying to change the world with super hard techno money and they're over there uh you know singing
taylor swift songs and printing uh cash out the wazoo so jokes on us that's a good point
um i forgot what my next question what's richard go so where where would you rank yourself like if
If you were to give yourself a military title and ranking in the Kormenist side, where would you have positioned yourself in this recent battle?
Hired gun.
So don't even have a rank.
I'm like Blackwater contracted out to do the dirty work.
um i go and i do those things that the u.s can't uh you know be on record acknowledging like jason
born basically i'm off the record not even you know no trace of me having fought my way up the
ranks um yeah they're not shame mercenary yeah mercenary gun for hire like the wagner group
exactly Wagner group yeah look what happened to them they got fucked dude
Putin uh they tried to defect from Putin so uh yeah
I think that was one of the more interesting stories of last year
I don't think any of us have any idea what happened with that
do you see that yeah do you see that as a potential for you at some point to defect
from to have that moment where you you march on moscow you you march against peter todd
i think he would be okay this analogy breaks down because i don't know anyone who hates
russia more than peter todd so um i think we'd have to march i mean peter todd maybe it'd be
like having to march on like palestine because he yeah because he'd he'd he'd be well i'm not
sure which side he's he's on but he's very very strongly on one side um be like marching on
tel aviv exactly yeah exactly oh man i'm gonna make too many enemies from this everything i say
is uh not my opinion that i'm just uh so i'm curious charlie yeah you people they have their
pronouns on their like twitter profile or in their twitter header will say you know father
christian patriot magda entrepreneur you know whatever where in your pronoun list where do you
list journalist because we're a very proud credential journalist and i'm wondering is that
is like for me journalism is before god but not not everybody is you is is zealous about it where
where's that in your stack oh it's pretty high up there um it's not the highest i would say
video games are probably highest for me.
Journalism's great, but
I'm on several hundred hours of a satisfactory playthrough.
And that's way more gratifying to me than
exposing all of the
misanthropy across the Bitcoin ecosystem.
and uh so uh yeah i mean journalists are pretty high so it probably wouldn't make it into a twitter
bio but i can link you know my my company block space there and you can infer that at some level
maybe you know on monday wednesdays and fridays i play a journalist and um i do try to break and
cover some stories have you ever beaten battletoads no isn't that that really expensive
video game or something that's like hard to acquire or yes it's the it's the premier game on the on the
Sega Genesis yeah uh no I'm not a console gamer man I'm a PC gamer which is actually if I wanted
to like my those are my pronouns pc g-a-m-e those yeah so p c gamer is kind of like the bitcoin
maximalist of video gamers right it's like the you know you kind of condescend when you hear i
you play the nintendo switch all right all right buddy i'm a pc gamer is that accurate i like i like
i like pc no it's like the thing i'd like if you're a gamer long enough or if you're in crypto
long enough eventually become a bitcoin maxi because you start hating everything else and so
same the same thing with pcs you know you're you get old and your hands get all arthritis-y and
the only you know thing you can do is like hold a mouse and um yeah if you ever seen a pc gamer
like fortnite player go up against a console fortnite player no it's not even a contest
pc gamers dumpster on console gamers i'm sorry if you guys are console gamers
casuals it's fine i'm a journalist
um you you you admitted to us i don't remember if we were recording or not but that you don't
listen to 40 hours of bitcoin podcast per week because you don't have time because you're gaming
so instead of listening to 40 hours of bitcoin podcast per week like what are some of the best
games maybe over your gaming career that you spent 40 hours you know per week for extended
periods of time playing like what was like your experience coming up to the gaming you're a gaming
veteran you know you were the trenches you've battled it out yeah yeah i mean that's the whole
reason we got ethereum is because world of warcraft wouldn't give vitalik his items outside
of game so world of warcraft uh galvanized it's the reason we have shit coiners really ultimately
and so i did play wow back in the day i'm clean now um now i'm just more of a variety gamer whether
it be classics like the halo series to modern stuff like um uh fortnite or apex but you can
usually catch me playing multiplayer games um because i don't have fun unless i can beat someone
so you'll find me playing maybe some legal legends or watching some league or uh yeah competitive
games cs go do you get uh do you enjoy when you can just uh you can mark some broccoli haircuts
video games but you show up but you show up in the pc world over here like boom boom done that
big headshot yeah I mean I wish you could see this I've got you know 240 hertz refresh rate screen
I got side monitors so I can respond to slack messages while I playing um yeah I uh I got the whole kit man I got a very low latency mouse this is the same mouse that Shroud uses for those of you who follow Broccoli Hair Twitch streamers
and yeah man
I'm a gamer
I should talk about this more on Bitcoin Twitter
I feel like Bitcoin Twitter
is too
it's just too stale
of a conversation
we need different things
I will actually take the sarcasm hat off for a second
and shout out to
and say I actually my most
the things I'm most excited about in Bitcoin
are actually Bitcoin gaming projects
this is actually me being totally serious here
I'm actually a huge financial supporter
of like these different Bitcoin gaming projects
namely there's this Rust server called Orange
and they have
they like run pod
so actually when I play Orange
I listen to podcasts the whole time
because they play podcasts in the game in like the main base it's like i'm a huge fan i support
them on i unironically support them on geyser talk about them a lot so they've got there's
some cool minecraft server like shout out to sovereign craft and then some other stuff too
um yeah so uh uh yeah i took a bit of deviation there but i can't shout out my my gang over at
orange enough like everybody's trying to freaking shoehorn a fucking token into a video game and
some kind of like money thing to it but orange is like it's a fun ass game you don't have to care
about bitcoin but you can care about it it's like that's the perfect thing so then you don't have to
wear clothes either yeah you can be i should have i've been to the orange mart naked yeah nice i've
done it it's kind of awkward we ran into tip nz naked in the game yeah they're they're uh the
the best power couple in the whole bitcoin ecosystem move over carla and uh and uh whatever
his name is you know move over um natalie and that other guy um uh yeah the the orange gaming
couple they are the best what are some other uh power couples you got max and stacy you've got
uh pierre and morgan you've got shinobi and d plus plus someday
uh udi and lauren sykerman erin and casey erin and casey
yeah yeah you've you got a lot of good power couples
yeah um yeah i need to get a better hair we need we should do a power power couple power ranking
sometime that would be that's actually brilliant idea if you want to if you want to do another
work on that one with us we'll publish it we'll publish it block space block space
top 10 power couples yeah power couple power ranking um who do you think has better hair you
or you you just uh dismiss them as who's that other guy walker america one of the biggest
bitcoin podcasters who do you think's got better hair you were walker
uh a year ago he did but i bleached my hair recently and so i think it's cooler because
i'm going for a surfer vibe um you look like your nickelback look at this photograph man
yeah yeah people look like jack you know you do like a surfer which is cool uh there's a lot of
surfing where where you live so that's great you know well you say that but oklahoma which i'm
public that i'm from oklahoma oklahoma has uh this is true the most shoreline of any state
so because we have all these man-made lakes they have all these weird nooks and crannies
so yeah we have the most that's a very oklahoma thing to brag about yeah for sure
it is yeah you gotta reach deep to brag about oklahoma that's for sure it's a it's it's great
for autism it's like guess which uh guess which state has the most shoreline and they're like
california duh and you're like actually actually actually it's oklahoma and you know what our state
uh vegetable is
the watermelon it's yeah so uh in oklahoma the watermelon is a vegetable apparently we voted it
we literally voted on the shit like three or four years ago i don't know it was probably covid brain
that got them all so charlie i did have uh one question i wanted to ask you um
so block space got into some interesting uh controversy recently which one well the one
that i remember was the uh the swan article so i was just curious if you think
like i i'm a full believer in free speech and people's rights to opinions right
but in the institution of journalism is there a place for anti-swanitism
um uh we'll we'll try to take a neutral approach uh although it's it's hard to it's hard to deny
that when a company has spurious personal lawsuits
against people who are lower on the totem pole
and you're trying to squeeze people for intellectual property
that everyone in Bitcoin mining knows is pretty bullshit,
sometimes you'll get a little report of scrutiny on it.
So I will say some of my favorite people used to work at Swan.
There's a lot of my favorite people who used to work at Swan.
Do you think that – did you hear that Grok was yesterday, the day before?
They had it shut down because of its anti-Swanathism.
It was posting – it was just reposting Stoney Bits and tweets.
We posted new tweets.
It's anti-Swanathism to the max.
It was like, oh, when you see a Bitcoin podcaster and he's showing this, it's like you might notice a pattern.
It's swan.
You know, it's like people were they they were folks and they had to shut Grok down.
I think it was the right move.
I don't think anti-swannism is appropriate on, you know, a public platform like this.
Not that you can't have your own opinions, but anti-swannism is too far.
Yeah. I mean, the only pattern I recognize was that Grok was being a little out of pocket yesterday.
so i i agree with rod i i don't think there's a place for anti-swanism and journalism the
the swans are our greatest allies in my opinion and you know you can't have you can't have um
you can't have satire without something which is satirical so i mean you have to you have to
give cory some recognition right like he did get demoted recently uh probably due to some
anti-swanitism but he got demoted from being one of the one of pod comps four horsemen
but prior to that he was the other three horsemen of pod comp dennis david
cory mccormick but peter mccormick got demoted because he quit bitcoin and cory got demoted so
uh jack mallers and jack dorsey have been promoted so it's now jack jack uh dennis and david but
they but dennis is going down the stable coin route and now he might have to get demoted um
but that's it you know yeah riddle me this uh hardcore nazi anti-spam pro stable coin
where is that on the dnd alignment chart like that's that's gotta be all twisted here
it's like the the old meme or it's like i think pot should be legal i think gay marriage should
be legal and our own guns you know it's like it's sometimes it's dirty you keep those curveballs
yeah yep i'm a i'm a socially uh socially liberal uh no that's conservative fiscally liberal
yeah yeah exactly exactly yeah um where where do you follow the stable coin stuff
is tether on tron going global is uh we were talking about the canada might end up on tether
where what's going on with tether you were covering the lawsuits uh did you learn anything
else like what is your mining okay that's right they're big in mining because tether mining it
may be like one of the biggest stories in mining um i mean paulo was on the don't gruesome i mean
bankless podcast yesterday. And he said, Tether is on track to be the biggest Bitcoin miner in the
world. And you got to believe them. They're crypto native. They have infinite money in they have
infinite money and a very lean decision making structure. So and they've got blackmail on
everyone in the entire world because they're obviously somehow, you know, CIA, NSA, whatever,
whatever they're Peter Thiel related according to Mark so you know they can it's the biggest story
in mining so like um I don't have a lot of like scoops for you that story is um kind of in stasis
if there's anything like new on the particular mining side um we'll report it but I will say like
as it relates to their swan lawsuit they are suing swan in the UK court which is kind of difficult to
figure out you have to submit like whole you have to file like petitions to get information which
take like a 30 to 60 day turnaround time and that's a real Craig Wright move isn't it to sue
him in the UK courts or is it not related to that at all I actually don't know that I that's a I
actually don't know the details I'm not lead on this story I'm kind of just the cheerleader for
the other real reporters at you know or my colleagues and um yeah i'm i'm actually i'd
actually don't really i make a i kind of bear as a point of pride to be comically unfamiliar
with the ways of the world whether it be like conventional legal stuff or like traffic stuff
which is why the whole paper bitcoin thing is kind of mystifying to me because i'm like
wait a second you mean i have to log into my fucking charles schwab in order to buy my favorite
Bitcoin things. You've got to be kidding me. Yeah, I just can't like open up my aqua wallet and send
lightning to somebody or tether and buy whatever I have to like actually have an IRA or some kind
account. To me,
you know,
I kind of pride myself
having not really
been sued in the UK yet.
So I don't really know the inner workings of it.
Well, this is a real problem,
which you're describing, which I've been
tweeting about is
it seems like we need to get paper
Bitcoin on the blockchain somehow.
I agree.
It could be a BRC20.
it couldn't be um one of the things that i love about your website and uh your outlet is you have
the best ticker it goes across the top of your website and it's like got all the bitcoin light
it's got all the paper bitcoin well it had all the paper bitcoin companies because it makes us
look legit it makes us look real if you have a ticker you have marquee you're basically like
the stock market so totally legit well it's it's my only problem is it's behind i think it is paper
bitcoin summer and i think that you should it i'm willing to design it i'll pay for bitcoin summer
uh like like the if you look at the end of the song or whatever i can show it to you it's a cool
logo and you put that like you don't use my logo but the lights and the neons and you put all the
paper bitcoin companies scrolling across their biggest hit they're probably you'll probably
triple your your website traffic every day yeah i was actually thinking you know we were talking
about old school internet we could get um you know i could like have those little um banners
that follow your mouse around like you could put on like geo cities like the little letters that
can like trail after your mouse imagine i still have that yeah yeah but for like paper bitcoin
companies um you can either have their logo or their podcasters uh face we could charge
Natalie or Joe Burnett.
Yeah, you can change the cursor to be Metaplanet's logo.
It would be pretty fucking cool.
You could probably do that with AI in five minutes.
It's a campaign.
Yeah, that's why they call it cursor.
okay so i have a question for you guys um
uh if you weren't bitcoin podcasters what would you be
i would uh i would i would go back to what i was doing before i became a bitcoin podcaster
and a journalist which i kind of completed or i kind of combined the two know i'm a podcast
journalist uh i was in charge of whenever somebody died or something i would go and edit their
their wikipedia articles so that all of the work like the whole narrative would be in past tense
so i had to just make you know they die and then add that they died so that was what i did it's a
very tedious job i don't know if it's still available uh since since ai but uh i'd go back
to that it was living it was it paid for my cigarettes that's my favorite job you you went
sure you went and like maybe another part of it was that you made sure all of the the typed i's and
had dots and crosses on them so that uh they didn't you know yeah amy wine amy wine house was
my last was my last week apd article i've had another it was a depressing one uh and that's
when i i decided to pursue my journalism degree at the university of phoenix yeah well you got
out before the the epstein uh one so you know you missed the worst yeah yeah yeah for sure what
you richard what would you be if you weren't uh if you had to step down and denigrate yourself to
a different profession well i think it'd be the same profession it would just be in a different
medium you know because at the end of the day i'm a journalist if i had to step away from journalism
i don't know maybe i'd go work at the atlas society or something like that and just
smoke cigarettes and read alice shrug all day yeah i would like to you know maybe one day i'd like to
um form the uh the anti ellsworth tui uh foundation which essentially a foundation just
educating people on why they shouldn't be like mike brock
if people need be educated about that i i think they may be beyond hope was he uh
was he like doing paid promotion behind his own deranged tweets for a while am i great did i
hallucinate this no yeah no he was he was yeah he was advertising his his post for his mostly for
his sub stack his new sub stack articles and i think like from uh an adoration day to valentine's
day he was documenting every impeachable for him and platter they were all there every time there
was a tweet and it was an impeachable offense mike baroncos was was cataloging it and he was
polishing it so people knew and he was promoting those um and he's he he started calling himself
a reluctant cassandra so he he sees himself as the cassandra uh prophesying he is navigating
the fourth turning for us uh and that's the role he's been playing it happened by his blood sweat
in tears he's turning that grinding gear that he he thinks of it as the wheels of justice grind
exceedingly slow but in fact he's actually turning that fourth turning for us he sees himself he sees
himself as the the the bastion against the destruction of democracy like he is the man
holding an old up on his shoulders what an hero oh my gosh what a guy
but he had he does have paid subscribers so there are there are people out there who
they are so confused that they're paying 30 a month to let mike brought narrate the fourth
turning for them and that's that's you don't want to go through the fourth turning like that
there's yeah that's that's worse than yeah that's worse than being on you know the seventh level of
Dante's Inferno, like that you're held in Mike Brock's mouth there with alongside Judas.
And that's not a good algorithm.
Yeah.
Not a good algorithm.
Not a good algorithm to be on for sure.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
That guy.
Yeah.
He, you know, some some people, you know, you can tell you can see the insanity brewing
and bubbling up and kind of like being like you know um heating up in a crucible sometimes a little
deranged thought will escape an intrusive thought will make it into the internet and you can tell
ah in one year to one and a half years this person is going to break and um i know you could
see that about a year ago you could see like yeah crack beginning to form and then the full the full
clean break happened january 20th late late stage trump arrangement syndrome he hate to see it
yeah late late onset yeah yeah so charlie have you ever listened to one of our interview episodes
before yeah yeah i listened to a couple not on purpose um i forget who i think i did you rob
i think i had rob on oh yeah yeah i mainly i was mainly listening to rob to make sure he wasn't one
of you guys that's yeah that's we get a lot of we get a lot of people who listen to the podcast is to
make sure it's not him or some you know there's a few other people no all right i'm out yeah a lot
of people overestimate rob like they they look at him they accuse him of being podconf
being the most
dominant shadow
organization in Bitcoin
content.
But he's really just an
everyman. He's just
a tabula rasa upon which
every Bitcoiner
reflects themselves. So you just
look at him in his shiny bald head
and you just get yourself
reflected back to you.
I think I also listened to
the Juneseth one. Do you guys do
a Juneseth interview?
they did yeah that was a good one that was a really good one that was fine yeah yeah last
thing on ron hamilton it's i just think that it would be really fucked up i mean his his co-founder
is going through so much if he was not working on the company if he was shit posting for the
bugle for podcom doing podcasts instead of focusing on interwatch that would be that would
shit that would be fucked up he's not doing that yeah unfortunately he's out there actually building
things as one of the five people in the entire bitcoin ecosystem who can code so um his his
you know he can't waste his time and efforts on just talking about things he has to go build things
but um who's gonna buy what he's selling if we don't talk about it rob you have to have a top
of funnel problem so he doesn't yeah he doesn't he doesn't want to be shinobi that's for sure yeah
okay let's let's make a deal here then live whenever anchor watch finally starts making
money they have to sponsor both our podcasts we'll split the money right down the middle
we'll align um and yeah so we have we got we we got you to be a household name so you can
finally start making money it's time for you to pay back what you owe exactly rising tide lifts
all boats and therefore raises the anchors so you no longer need to need to watch the anchors
with anchor watch the best custodian in crypto he would have to boost our podcast that's how the
sponsors work but yeah we can put a good word put in a good word for you guys for sure i i probably
what i would go and um i would approach rob i'd be like hey you should sponsor block space
they're really cool they were the other guys that spamming vegas the other media company that was
there yeah um yeah so one of the things that uh we do to wrap up every one of our episodes
we get we go through a ritual so um always ask did you listen to the last episode it sounds like
you didn't get a chance to listen to the last one with uh evan kalupas of uh zeus wallet
i did not know unfortunately yeah that was a good one it was a fun one uh but we we always
read the fountain booths of the previous week with our uh with our guest um but before we get
into that i have an important question which is are you jewish no um i'm not i don't i don't have
an alignment um i kind of wish i were though um they seem happy honestly Why do you wish that you were Jewish
I think they get more holidays than Christians.
So just from the get-go, we get one day for maybe two days for Christmas.
They get friggin' seven, eight, probably more.
um they've been around longer which is you know better and um uh they have more money so like you
know honestly i don't see why everybody's not in line to like bitcoin max it's like it's like it's
the it's the bitcoin dominance it's jewish dominance like it's the yeah it's the main
chain yeah it is yeah it's yeah it's we're the fork you know we're we're right they're actually
they're the original version of bitcoin according to the white paper if we never change from the
white paper you know christianity is uh is uh it's really we're like it's like three or four
down yeah yeah christianity segway
we had a schism we had a schism does that change science
scientology is taproot so
mormon and mormonism
i don't know yeah mormon that's a good comparison so um
seen as we're all descendants of adam and eve
yeah we're adam and eve jewish
i mean uh obviously um so somebody in the garden was well actually if they were naked then adam's
head was uncovered so i guess by the strict rule of the letter of the law you might say
he was not i need to i need to go and read my bible but i don't think when when adam ate the
the apple his first action was to put a yarmulke on but did i say that i didn't say that let's
let's assume that adam and eve were jewish okay let's assume okay
yeah doesn't that essentially mean that we're also all jewish
when did the the difference happen where people became jewish and non-jewish
uh i don't know um luke definitely knows though he's probably written we need to get luke on here
yeah i want to do a podcast with luke and only ask uh questions like uh difficult to answer
really good questions yeah if i got to talk to luke i don't think i'd talk i'd ask him any
questions about the coin at all you won't get any good answers you just get yes no lie i want to
know his opinion on yeah women's pregnancies like how to handle pride like he wants to argue with
with pregnant moms about yeah about their periods and their and when they can have kids again it's
hilarious i'm pretty sure most of the time he's arguing with infertile white women though
the yeah those you're punching down when you do that um don't push down luke i do love luke's
like replies because he will be in the middle of some bullshit loop like luke like loop about
filters and then i'll immediately hop over it's like hardcore trad cat twitter and like immediately
switched code switch i've never seen somebody go switch as much as that like in the you in there
the replies with such rapidity that like you can tell he's having these thoughts simultaneously
it's amazing he's he is fighting a two-front war he is fighting for big point and for catholicism
he's got to jump back and forth he's got the same type of enemies on each side yeah and he's
surrounded by enemies this is why the nazis lost in world war ii they tried to fight a two-front
real war i think luke's got to pick one or the other he's either going to fight the crusade for
bitcoin or he's going to fight the uh crusade for catholicism yeah the crusades they only put they
only went one direction which was east and i mean they had about a 50 50 win rate
totally well thanks for going through that uh with me real quick um yeah so yeah the last
the last week we were talking about with Evan Kalupas,
we're talking about UX and the great UX of Zeus wallet with their cool
graphics.
But he,
have you ever used a Bitcoin wallet that has as cool graphics as Zeus wallet?
Um,
no,
I,
uh,
no,
Zeus is definitely top.
Um,
if it doesn't look,
uh,
like,
uh,
Roman architecture,
then I don't want it.
If it doesn't look like classic Greco-Roman,
it doesn't look like Rome's absolutely peaking
in designing mobile apps,
then I don't want to use it.
Don't give me this bubbly, monochromatic stuff.
Give me colors.
Give me hard angles.
Give me math and science
and beautiful Roman aqueducts
and make me a lightning wallet.
So shout out Evan.
I love the Zeus guys.
Actually, Zeus is the lightning wallet
I recommend most people.
these days is it primarily because of the graphics or why
well obviously the graphics but also sparrow was kicked out they left the u.s those pussies they so
but they came back so i'm warming back up to sparrow again phoenix yes stop stop naming your
after birds okay yeah so stop with the birds give me give me different animals
badgers taken you could you could probably use some kind of horse or you can't do any bear themed
stuff yeah give me give me a bull wallet but the french always there yeah it was phoenix the french
always surrender they always out they even pass a lot it is like we don't have enough regulatory
clarity we're oh we're getting out of here and now they're trying to come back
and then stayed through it all you didn't give a fuck yeah
didn't the french sell us like the louisiana purchase they sold it to us for like two million
dollars so flutter would call that a rug bull he would say that that was you say he say you're
dumping yeah taking advantage of somebody i think hey say what you say what you will about
editor, but I don't think anyone listens to more Bitcoin podcasts than he does.
He listens. I'm pretty certain he is Bitcoin season two's most loyal
listener. If I ever say anything
dumb, which is all the time, granted, but if I say anything dumb,
he never misses it. He watches every single
second of that podcast. He's going to watch every second of this one
and he's going to clip it. He's going to come up with some
you know, like bitter statement about it.
But I got, I'm not gonna lie.
Putter is actually unironically
one of my top 10 favorite Twitter accounts
because in the D&D alignment chart,
he's like true neutral.
He just, he wakes up, flips a coin
of something to be mad at.
And sometimes it's great.
Sometimes this takes our killer.
Sometimes they're fucking retarded.
And I like that.
It's the duality of man.
He's a true neutral Bitcoin character.
And, uh, Pleaditor, I would love to have, we'd love to have you on our podcasts.
So if you do podcasts, um, we accept voice changers.
This is a voice changer friendly podcast.
Bitcoin season two.
I need, uh, you know, I can't be talking to deep voiced men.
I get a little too intimidated.
So, uh, you'll have to, you know, maybe docs the voice docs for me.
So yeah.
Shout out Pleaditor.
i'm just excited that the idea of pletter to finally listen to our podcast
oh you know he does he listens to he's he's uh an all-seeing eye he he doesn't miss anything
i'm amazed that's why the north pole is going with pletter over palantir for his not your nice list
pletter sees everything better get you there used to pletter's fucking database hell yeah his dossiers
you keep receipts for everything yeah palantir santa planetor platters he's he's more powerful
than all of them you know he sees all oh yeah uh before we do the boost i that's one of the
questions i forgot to ask bitcoin season two it's the name of the podcast but what is what is bitcoin
season two it's kind of a meme it's not just a podcast what does that mean so it's a name i own
because it's salacious. It's good.
I think I wasn't the first person to use the term,
but I was one of the first people to really lean into it.
And it's actually pretty simple.
As you guys know, the podcast landscape got very stale.
It was the same 10 people.
The circle jerk got smaller and smaller and smaller
until it was like maybe a dozen people.
So I want to bring more people
and create my own little circle jerk of new faces
and new topics. Frankly, I want to talk about, I'm not afraid to like actually have like attempts
to have very technical conversations with heterodox opinions. And I'm not afraid, and I
actually kind of enjoy talking about things like that happen outside of Bitcoin, because I think
they affect Bitcoin a lot. And I think the fact that Bitcoin podcasts have had just a very narrow
list of things you can talk about and you can't talk about shitcoins. And yet now Bitcoin is
some days predominantly a shitcoin chain is crazy to me that we can't that like,
you don't understand the mechanics of this. And so you can you can try to reject these and look
upon these users of your chain and be dismissive, or you can try to engage them and have some fun
because is it really that bad?
So Big One Season 2 is about having new people,
serious conversations, joking conversations,
and Monomite goals is to often be someone's...
This is going to sound very onanistic.
I want to be the first podcast that someone comes on
and before they start doing more.
And I've been able to do that with a handful of folks
just because i want to um i don't know i just like to seek out fresh faces and fresh opinions
we can have like robert breedlove got boring years ago and uh it used to be fun to listen to and now he boring as hell and um sailor theories is a classic yeah that was probably like yeah that may have been like peak breed love and just been downhill
since then um yeah it's uh you know he's his influencer journey is is one to behold i think
it's gonna make for a great documentary but yeah i get what you're saying so you're trying to
freshen it up and uh you you know i think one thing both of our podcasts have in common is
we're not going to let the shit coiners make us grumpy sometimes you bring up you say the word
crypto or you talk about like solana meme coins and the people on the podcast they just they're
it's like your grandpa always hearing about immigrants at thanksgadies again that you can't
have a conversation with grandpa without blaming the immigrants for something grandpa you know i'm
going to find you some cheap labor okay like i know them because they're my friends and uh similar
kind of thing like you can maybe ideologically oppose them i think it makes a lot of sense
but um i don't think it makes sense if you're going to try to like analyze and engage with
the bitcoin ecosystem which now is a much it looks different than what you would think it looks like
based if you only list upon 20 if you only list on listen to like 2021 peak podcasting so like
it's a podcast for the modern era the renaissance man uh that's the podcast he listens to
oh yeah
it's all right so what we do now is we basically just read the books and react to them so
uh we talked about we talked to evan about honestly a million things richard do you
remember any of the main topics but uh um talked about paper bitcoin and we talked about it you
know the crazy lightning user experience and uh so that's kind of the context for the
for the boost the first one is from our friend fundamentals now fundamentals
has a new book that just came out and you can buy that it is uh bitcoin for institutions
um the the link for you can get that using the z's wallet will be in the show notes uh neither
of the neither of those are advertisements those are just our friends and they work together to to
sell his book so go check those out um maybe it's just 21 000 sats probably so i would remember
to play his book because we're vice so uh thank you fundamentals i've got it in my hands here i'm
excited to read it so essentially fundamentals wrote this book about how to teach institutions
on how to paper bitcoin responsibly i think it's a very important book
thanks for the push
the guys who zap
you are the lifeblood
of indie podcasts
would you consider
Citadel Dispatch an indie podcast
I don't know
how many
oh yeah kind of i would say it's in i mean it's indian that it's independent which is uh
that's that's the where the nomenclature gets its from its name from so it's user supported
so i think that's big um yeah i would say it's an indie podcast indie doesn't have to mean small
i mean when i when i think of the the term indie i imagine a woman with dreadlocks
like a white woman with dreadlocks that doesn't believe in shaving her armpits
you know uh you can you can imagine that it doesn't
uh i i think like a red-blooded american of the indy 500 so uh you know just just where my mind is
the the virile uh miller high life drinking uh stock car racing so yeah or do you think about
the the woman that goes to the indy 500 not to watch the race but to go into the snake pit
that has dreadlocks and doesn't believe in shaving her armpits
maybe we're yeah we're we're all we're just two blind men feeling different parts of the elephant
yeah man we're talking about the same thing this holonaut is an elephant that's for sure
nancy you're describing haven't heard from her for a while
next boost is from open mic 7777 sats uh says bugle my high club zap airplane emoji lightning
emoji airplane emoji there there's like this trend that we've seen charlie where people like
to listen to bugle while on uh airplanes uh any suspicion why
i think it's just cool to to zap uh or to boost podcasts from 30 000 feet in the air
you know what i mean yeah maybe maybe they can't legally listen well unless they're in
international waters i don't know i'm just speculating i think yeah being in a non-kyc
location makes listening to this podcast yeah you have to be a non-kyc that's what it is
like you're not you're not worried about the state you're worried about somali pirates
right exactly yeah brings a whole new level to this to listen to the show that's for sure
yeah you're not a true fan unless you're zapping us from your nation state uh oil platform in the
middle of the north um north sea where you're building your little colony and you're stateless
So, you know, that's what a true Bitcoiner does.
Hell yeah.
The next boost is from Shadrach.
He's our buddy.
Now, Shadrach, speaking of zapping from anywhere, this guy's, you know, he's, you could be anywhere in the world.
It wouldn't be surprising if he zapped us from the literal Hanoi Hilton at one point.
But Shadrach is the man.
And he boosts us 3,993 stats.
And then it's such a great rest.
High Signal, great show, 40 hours per week.
Thank you, Shadrach.
Zapping us from Nebuchadnezzar's oven,
if you want an obscure biblical reference.
Hell yeah.
You watched VeggieTales growing up, huh?
That's why you know that reference.
Yeah, I watched a lot of VeggieTales.
I can go toe-to-toe with Luke.
That's actually, I cut my teeth debating Luke
on old-school Bitcoin hacker Mastodon.
um under an alias so yeah there's three types of podcast listeners that we have on this show
there's those that have read the bible or the the torah i don't even know if the story is in the
torah same thing all are a little bit different but um uh there's people that read the bible they
know about that story there's people that grew up watching veggie tales and know about that story
they understand the Shadrach reference
and then there's people that have done neither
and they have no idea who the Shadrach
character is or where the name
comes from
it's easy
to profile people that way
I'm just looking at you
you don't look like a bible guy you look like a veggie tales
guy to me
I think in Oklahoma there's a lot of both
yeah
there's really no we don't distinguish between
the two they're not they're the same person
i'm in front yeah another another fun fact about oklahoma
um yeah shan rack's a cool dude i've been chatting with him a bunch uh one thing i wanted
to say about open mic first before we move on uh if you know any musicians charlie there's a
platform that open mic runs called uh toonster which lets musicians it's like twitch for musicians
bitcoin twitch for musicians essentially where they can uh live stream what's it called toonster
toonster
the other it's like how you spell it or it's your because it's not just uh
it's like nostril like you take out a vowel
toonster.io found it cool yeah it's a cool platform it's just like a good way for musicians
to earn more income.
You got a bunch of orange cells on Nostra
that are just excited to cheer on musicians on there.
So it's pretty cool.
Cool.
I'm checking it out now.
You'll catch me streaming on it soon.
I'll DJ on here some night.
Do you ever stream on Zap.Stream?
Yeah.
When I had more free time back in the day,
I would stream video games.
I'd multi-stream to zap twitch personal youtube yeah let me know the next time you do that
I'd be interested yeah I tried to zap in a while but I streamed his app pretty regularly I
haven't played any video games though other than the one time I went to orange mart
and that was a pretty good time yeah my uh my wife and some my local bitcoin meetup some of us
like uh played on the orange mart one weekend like a month ago it was really really fun
got a whole base going got a whole thing going it was pretty fun so so tell me what
about you being a dj so you dj so you've got like um
that contract that electrical contraption with the fake
discs that you spin in circles and you click play on a playlist yeah i actually um this is
I don't publicize this as much, but I am like a signed musician.
I have an indie rock band with my cousin and a record deal,
and it's a very successful indie rock side project.
And so I do some music production,
but uh for fun i'll dj sometimes just you know random parties and i think i told like some
bitcoin people that like yeah sure i'll like dj a party and then so now i get like called to do it
and it the best thing ever um what your band called I never heard of this It called MoreAndMore all caps all one word
more ampersand more.
So you can go check that out on Spotify.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know this about you.
i'm genuinely it's very cool did you post that on wave lake too uh i posted some of our the the
more and more was a band before this and so i posted some of that band's music on wave lake
um but then i can't because i we can't legally distribute our stuff on many platforms with
outside of the capital music group so yeah yeah that's what that's cool that's what your label is
capital music group no no that's the that's the count that's our that's our licensing
counterparty anyway yeah i actually wonder how can i search stuff on the way of like
come on here so you was there there with toonster you don't need a uh
a counterparty and whatever he's talked about there so there you go the uh
next one is from paper bitcoin summer that's dave uh dave from new zealand he's our boy uh 2,121
sats top three interviews lols maybe non-custodial lighting ux is about the cool graphics and all
the failed payments made along the way exactly lighting doesn't work you need a beautiful
concierge that's the beautifully aesthetically pleasing a good experience while you're in the
app because you're going to be there retrying your payments over and over and that's that's
just the way it is hard money should be hard to use hard money should be hard to use hell yeah
that that's my favorite part about zeus is when you have a failed lightning transaction the
graphics are great i feel like this is something a lot of the other lightning wallets have not
figured out yeah it's dark patterns you actually at some level you kind of wanted to fail
so that you get to see the fun graphic.
I'm looking at your Spotify now,
and I'm pretty impressed.
You got some songs with over a million streams.
Yeah.
You know, I wish that could have happened a decade ago
when I was, like, down to try to make it as a musician.
But I'm in my 30s and I have my cousin and I have jobs and life commitments.
So can't exactly try to go make it.
But that's why we need to coin the 10X from here so we can start focusing on our podcasts and our bands.
Yeah, communists dream of the post-capitalist world where they get to go and make sculptures out of feces on the ranch.
And nobody actually has to go and mine the copper in the mines.
And it's the same thing with Bitcoin.
Bitcoiners want Bitcoin to go up so that they can go make hoop sculptures and start their goofy little side project band.
nobody realizes someone still has to mine the cobalt
yeah we're gonna let the shit coiners mine
they're not gonna be able to handle it
exactly
at least we'll have a something for the boomers to do
but their bodies will be feeble and frail
we need we need gen z and alpha to mine the cobalt
false we can we can suit them up with exoskeletons
yeah
all right well let's blast through these so uh thanks for the boost dave wow changed his name
on found into paper bitcoin summer that's awesome mr rabbit 521 sat says node runners deserve to be
called mr dot dot and i think it's a cool guy emoji and said hashtag start nine hashtag
raspy blades and then node runners deserve to be called sir
mister yeah we agree that's that's the point we made last week and i agree yeah
node runners deserve to be called mister or you've earned the right to be called sir you know
charlie do you think you've hit that that point in life that stage in life for the
broccoli haircuts need to call you mr mr spears yeah yeah i think so i deserve some a level of
a level of respect now so i include will does he need to call you mr spears i made will call me
mr in our morning stand up uh yeah yeah uh next is poop sickle my credit card has great ux
at we know poop sickle we know the current current has create ux except for the interest rates
but uh we're gonna we're gonna figure out a way we're gonna get some more bitcoin rewards
credit cards we're gonna get back in the game we just need credit cards on the blockchain yeah
everything's going on the blockchain folks everybody dreamed of it in 2017 they were just
too early you get all these boomers you know Cynthia Lomas running around teaching all these
stupid politicians on the Epstein list about bitcoin they're gonna want to put it all on the
blockchain for sure um pies 420 cents oh what were you saying well i was gonna say so the next one is
pies uh and this is why i told you that you need to claim your podcast on fountain today you know
uh because it's it's more than the zap income it's people like pies pies listens to every single
bitcoin podcast that exists and there's proof of that because he boosts in comments on every single
one of them and you see it in the comments it found every single week pies so if you post it on
here pies will start zapping you 420 sats saying some of the most crazy incoherent shit you've ever
read in your life and i give you a pre-listened boost dude that is not even even is on that's
amazing the uh it's like he's checking in at the beginning of class and the end of class
that's right and he he'll post sometimes he'll post paragraphs about his prison buddies and like
the the coke dealers that he was beaten up for the strippers it's amazing he was in prison he
was rehabbed by bitcoin podcasts while he was in prison and you you'll become a fan of your
your podcast and that is having a fan like pies posting about you all over the internet is you
can't put a price tag on it so pies as soon as as soon as charlie as soon as you hear this episode
charlie will have his podcast on on found give it a listen so uh yeah pies gave us 420 sats the two
boosts we read the first one he says uh i haven't gone back to new york city since the covid
communist takeover fuck new york city fuck nyc baby total rubble dude
so is pub key in danger of getting chased out of new york no no no pub pub key is an oasis
in the desert the the moral desert of uh new york city
yeah that's what uh that's what it seems like i mean my only worry is that new york city becomes
eventually you know i don't know how long it would take but it would just be so commie that
people start go the coolest pub moves back to the west coast you could have like la reform for new
york and you cory could steal cory could steal the glory from pubkey that would be just the most
cory thing ever i'm really afraid for pubkey yeah like it the one thing we know about communists is
they like to create starvation right and they like to attack the the most productive individuals
and uh you know bitcoiners are the most and bitcoin podcast listeners especially are the
most productive individuals in a society and uh the communists are gonna probably
just like go after pub key at some point kind of like uh the soviets did after the ukrainian farmers
that's that's exactly where my head went um we're gonna have another red scare and we're gonna go
after um any uh wrong think when i say we not me obviously i'm not a commie i'm a i'm an anarchist
but uh i you know they're coming for me too what what specifically are your political pronouns
um uh
I don't I haven't given this I haven't given this much thought um
uh I don't know man I'm a man I'm like an old school Woodrow Wilson fan
I'm just kidding he's like the fun one to hate in history um I don't know uh
I don't have a good answer
to my political pronouns
that's alright
I think a lot of people are having
a hard time figuring out what their
political pronouns are because I don't think
any of them
really seem to make sense anymore
and we've been talking about that
we're talking about the plebs
give themselves political pronouns
pioneers are defining
the new political framework
where do you stand?
we're going to start partitioning it like this but uh i think that's under under further review
you're you're probably political fluid yeah i'm i'm poly political you might say we're non-binary
we're non-binary we're not that republican we're not left right we're non-binary
my political that's what you call centrists from now on
that yeah but that's the center non-binary is now a center of the discussion in the united states
yeah exactly oh yeah understandable so the next uh we got just a few more here we got
btc on board he gave us 300 sats and some thumbs up pies hit us with a couple more
hundred sat boosts saying he's all about zeus he loves lose bullish brah
And when is Evan Z's podcast?
Well, that's what this podcast is.
Thank you for that.
And then CPOBV.
Hunter Saps.
Some emojis.
Gary, what's up, Gary?
And pies and pies.
Oh, yeah.
Average.
Oh, that's average Gary.
Average Gary.
He's the spy, the spook over in Maryland.
Yeah.
awesome we want to average every one of our favorite feds um
thank you for coming on charlie this has been great uh
what uh what do you want to say like what's what's what's going on with block space what's
your plan here for what's what's the reading the rest of the summer how are you celebrating
bitcoin paper bitcoin summer um actually this uh unironically we are
hiring actually, preferably EU based reporters. I want prolific people who can report on Bitcoin
and crypto industry news So we already hired one person And we gonna hire more you if you think you have the chops to go I mean just go look at the stories we write And if you think you can compliment that
then hit us up.
Otherwise,
but for block space,
we're focusing on growth,
which is actually much more difficult than it looks.
I just don't know if I'm like,
I don't think it's hard to,
it's hard to get people to listen to you.
If you're not pumping a ticker,
it's like really difficult and so trying to figure out how to keep people get people listening without
they're promising an airdrop there there's some there's a few ways you could do it you can start
using open mouth thumbnails that that's a tried and true method and the recent one that i learned
of today was uh saying the words bitcoin backflip yeah uh hurdle rate that's a good one
gotta
gotta come up with new words like
hurdle rate yeah but so I mean
block space we're
we have a pretty normal summer
and then we will be announcing we did
our we did a bitcoin technical conference
this year
and last year our bitcoin scaling
conference up next
all the smartest people we will announce
a 2026 one sometime so That is a that probably been the most fun thing i ever worked on
and the most gratifying thing i've ever worked on actually i say this with sincerity because like we
managed to get some things happen which i kind of didn't ever think would happen got got people
talk who wouldn't otherwise have spoken to each other ever.
And so I do get a lot of gratification of that.
And it's a profitable, it's been a profitable endeavor so far.
So we will be doing another conference like that sometime.
Yeah.
How much gratification would you get out of it if Dennis Porter emceed it?
um
uh
I would ask
Dennis to pass a basic
literacy test about node
relay policy first
and then he can
uh then he can host it
hold them to
five standards that's the
that's the way yeah
name me the six bootstrapping
nodes for bitcoin core
he could answer that no problem inbound and outbound peers can you have by default he's
he read mastering bitcoin so many times that it falling apart the cover fell off yeah yeah he like the pages they all stuck together
last last question for you charlie i think it's why everybody wants to know
when is block space doing its back becoming a paper bitcoin treasury company when you go in public
we made the mistake of buying Bitcoin and not telling anybody about it,
which is rule number one mistake, mistake number one.
Yeah. So we are a Bitcoin treasury company. And when we,
when we manage, you know, someday we'll make it on that board,
that, that scoreboard of Bitcoin treasuries.net.
And I will craft a very, very good tweet.
someday will be higher than um your favorite mom and pops like subway shop or whatever
um i believe it yeah i believe it all right man
have a good one thanks for coming on thank you boys i like this podcast everything i say
uh does not i don't mean anything i say on here everything is a lie uh good night