It is paper Bitcoin summer. We are entering into the full swing of the bull market.
Bitcoin is ripping to all-time highs.
Pletitor's morale is crashing to places lower than the supply on the OTC desk.
Bitcoin podcasters are inheriting the earth, deciding what happens.
While Bitcoiners used to beg for attention, the world is watching as they are the new elites.
podcasters are on Wall Street
they're on Bloomberg
they're in the White House
but there is one woman
who's played a critical role
in all of this happening
a true pioneer
she helped launch the first publicly traded
paper Bitcoin stock in North America
a woman worth
climbing a mountain and crossing a river
to get on your Bitcoin podcast
joining us tonight
is the Canadian queen
of paper Bitcoin
the vibe to flow strategist at vibes capital management a self-described skirt coiner
magdalena granowska how are you doing tonight i hope i didn't butcher your name too but no
actually that's very impressive most people know you as crypto mags on uh on a timeline on social
media from bitcoin podcasts um but i think it's interesting that this paper bitcoin summer that
we're going through right now that it started in canada uh was something you worked on like you
are that's why you're called the canadian queen of paper bitcoin summer it could explain your role
and why that was significant in history in this context.
I love it.
So everybody's like, oh, it's the golden age of crypto in the U.S.
But long before that, it was the golden age of the maple syrup golden,
liquid golden age of Bitcoin.
Back in Canada in 2019, 2020 is when we launched the first Canadian Bitcoin fund
on the Toronto Stock Exchange.
But what's interesting is just like Grayscale took the Securities Commission to court, we took the Canadian Ontario Securities Commission to court about because they were like, hmm, no, retail investors, they cannot invest.
Like it's not in their public interest to buy Bitcoin, right, on the stock exchange.
And we're like, yes, it is, right?
That was kind of the main crux of the problem.
And so that was like a three-year court battle that accumulated in a 26-page ruling that said, yes, it actually is in the public interest for investors to buy paper Bitcoin.
And so –
I know.
That's where it began in Canada.
So everybody has been praising Dennis Porter for all these laws he's been getting passed.
People have been talking about how Canada needs a Dennis Porter.
But the right for retail to buy paper Bitcoin is all a result of work that you did and a fight that you took to the courts in Canada to make possible.
It's like retail can buy paper Bitcoin.
Thanks in large part to you.
Totally.
Point, see, like the lawyer hat.
I'm not a lawyer, but I didn't actually do the fighting court.
That was the team prior to myself joining.
I helped with the initial IPO, but I did get to attend the court session and it was quite entertaining listening to.
Well, basically, they didn't have many strong arguments.
They were pulling like random obscure.
I'd never heard of articles like in their official court evidence.
Meanwhile, 3iQ is throwing down like analysis after analysis, like crunching the numbers from Coinbase and all like everywhere where you can get Bitcoin data from.
like solid Bitcoin data and they were just being eviscerated.
And at one point, I think the 3IQ lawyer had asked if the person on the stand, which was
one of the commissioners or workers at the Securities Commission, if they own Bitcoin.
And they said yes.
And it was just so beautiful.
So, yes, I got to witness this, but then I helped with the IPO.
And that, of course, paved the way for all the Canadian Bitcoin ETFs.
So, yeah.
Did you?
When you got these guys went public with this company, it was on the, it became traded on the stock exchange.
Did you think, were you expecting a big bull market?
Were you expecting NGU?
Were you expecting Paper Bitcoin Summer to happen sooner?
Or were you a little disappointed you had to lower your time preference a little bit?
Oh my God, it was the worst time to like, to launch the IPO.
It was literally during the risk, the massive risk off moment in 2020.
Remember when Bitcoin fell to like, was it like 14?
It was like the worst time.
It was that I think we had to delay it by a few weeks because suddenly like we were facing with this like massive demand and concern.
So it was like, was it Bitcoin winter, I guess?
Interesting.
So now we now now it's fast forward six years later, five years later.
And it's like Bitcoin treasury company media.
Paper Bitcoin summer is like you said in full swing.
It's everywhere.
It's like a new company, a new podcasters getting announced every week.
Do you think did do you think that you wish that you had a podcaster back then?
Do you think that it would have sped things up if you didn't just have this company, but there was a podcaster that you hired as well?
Yeah, right.
I think we should have had a podcaster.
I think we should have had a big podcaster like, oh, I don't know, Breedlove.
He's pretty big, right?
Or Mr. McCormack.
What was he calling himself?
He's been getting bigger recently.
No, I know he has, but he called himself Mr. Obnoxious before he's respected.
Mr. Obnoxious.
We should have had an obnoxious podcaster.
It would have sent us to the moon.
It would have blown right through Bitcoin spring right into summer if that had happened, I think.
Totally.
Well, one thing that I'd like to get your thoughts on is, you know, for a while, America and Canada were pretty neck and neck.
Canada had a pretty strong lead in the battle between who was going to break 100K first.
So Canada took the victory on that. They hit 100K Bitcoin before America. At the time, America wasn't as friendly or they were just starting to become friendly to paper Bitcoin. Do you think your role in getting Canada to go on a paper Bitcoin standard is the driving reason why Canada hit 100K first?
I think Canada's it's tricky let me backtrack I mean we had the Canadian Mint release digital cash
in like 2014 there was they had a project so you know they were thinking ahead of course
but when it came to crypto what kind of hit it at a standstill was Quadriga right we had our own
FTX before FTX and that was Quadriga 200 million was lost and it was just like he
embezzled upon embezzled, was trading on other foreign exchanges and losing money. He's a terrible
trader, just bad. He was buying lavish vacations, a plane, a boat, you know, everybody needs a boat,
right? And homes, like multiple homes. And I lost money in Quadriga. And actually, I became
a court appointed by the Supreme Court of Canada bankruptcy inspector, which actually I'm still in
that role. So when that happened, it was like within four months, the securities commissions
came out with like a set of rules that they had developed that weren't necessarily the most
sensical. But like, you know, the pendulum swung hard. And that was kind of around that time too,
right? 2019. So I think that harmed Canada, right? And things became a lot tougher.
we had our own debanking we had our own ocp 2.0 and i don't know if that was influenced by the u.s
or not but i mean there's companies that still are debanking uh canadian um companies or
individuals i you know i'm in a lot of different chats some of them regulatory and i just saw that
one gentleman got debanked i think it was a mining company so it's still happening right
just like jeremy uh he's a he's a core developer in the u.s even though ocp is presumably dead he
got his bank was like, sorry, you have one day to figure out who's going to take your mortgage over
because we're debanking you because we're not comfortable with what you're doing. So yeah, I think
it was great. But it seems like, especially with Trump coming in, things have just changed drastically.
And Trump coming in harmed Canada in the sense that it looked like Pierre was going to win and
we were going to go more conservative. We were going to be anti-CBDC because that's sort of what
ran on. And instead, we got another liberal that is like, fallen into CBDCs, like they're going
all steam ahead. And it's really interesting, too, because if you look at the Canadian,
the Bank of Canada did a study a year, two years ago, about what Canadians think about CBDCs and
like overwhelming, like over 80% Canadians don't want a CBDC. They don't trust the government.
And I think actually, you know, the government shot themselves in the foot with the protests, the truckers' protests, right, when Canadians saw how easy it is to shut off money, right?
And so I think maybe that played in a bit of how that is perceived.
But yeah, we're full steam ahead, not in a great kind of place.
But I think we're still a little bit better than the UK.
It's kind of scary what's going on over there.
Kind of depressing to talk about, guys.
It's paper Bitcoin summer is happier.
Well, the best consolation is always doing better than the UK.
At least you have that.
Yeah.
And what do you think was so scary to Canadians about Donald Trump that made them see what you saw and then vote for the central banker to be president?
It's like we want the CBDC central banker to be president or prime minister, excuse me, but like, you know, the leader of this country.
And are they do they have any buyer's remorse or is it popular?
I think he's still pretty popular, which is kind of frustrating.
I think the main thing that happened was Trudeau didn seem like a strong leader to put in front of Trump with all the trade wars And so when Trudeau stepped down Carney was seen as a much better alternative And Trump even said he preferred
Carney over Pierre, which was kind of interesting because that's like, you know,
conservatives kind of tend to stick together in a way. So that was, you know, I think that's kind
of what did us in and I mean at the end of the day you know affordability still sucks like housing
is insane people cannot afford you know anything even millennials but you know the next the
generations what is it gen z's gen x's or whatever all those ones are having trouble
like being able to buy property uh because of where prices are day-to-day and affordability and
And so that is not like that was the Trudeau, like the liberals, Trudeau, right?
Canada sold its gold, the last of its gold under Trudeau, money printing like never before with COVID.
That legacy was still there.
And, you know, Pierre became a lot more popular because he was anti that and lowering government debt.
And well, he was the shadow minister of finance, basically.
So he would always like ream in about Canadian spending when he was speaking, like when he had the floor.
But for some reason, well, not for some reason, like the most important thing became fighting tariffs and feeling like they needed somebody strong for that.
And for one reason or another, they thought corny, you know, overwhelmingly.
So that was frustrating.
Yeah.
do the um do the canadian people is the is there a movement for canada to have its own strategic
bitcoin reserve because it's it's it seems like there are bitcoin treasury companies
popping up in canada and so we're going to talk about like what's your role with the bitcoin
treasury companies but is there any movement first for like a strategic canadian bitcoin
It sounds like, no, it sounds like they just want to sell their gold.
But they didn't sell their gold to buy Bitcoin.
They sold the gold to, I don't know.
To buy U.S. treasuries.
That was one of the things.
Maybe, yeah.
Because I wrote an article, actually, that Canada needs a strategic reserve in, I think, in November.
And, I mean, Trudeau, like, he publicly spoke out against Bitcoin, right?
he slammed Pierre for talking about Bitcoin and saying like oh if you had invested in Bitcoin
like when Bitcoin had fallen from 70 or 69 to whatever it fell at he was like oh if you had
listened to Pierre you'd be down x amount so then Pierre had to kind of be careful not talk about it
for a while so definitely not with the liberals they want their CBDC money if there is a chance
Now, I don't see them at all moving towards Bitcoin.
But if there is a chance, it will be at the equivalent of state level, which is Alberta, right?
The Texas of Canada.
And there, the government is very different.
They're very supportive of Bitcoin mining.
Two ministers have sort of the mining file with them.
They have MOUs, sorry, memorandums of understanding with Texas around like technology sharing and supporting companies that are in the mining space, for example.
and the blockchain, well, broader blockchain, because governments still love enterprise blockchain.
And yeah, and so, and they might, they would be much more willing to put Bitcoin on a reserve.
I mean, they might, there's some interest to also just become a separate nation or seed from Canada.
But I don't know how strong that movement is.
And I don't know what percentage vote that would need, but they are very, very different from the rest of Canada.
Yeah, one of the challenges with democracy in general is 99% of the voters don't listen to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcasts a week.
My dog listens to more Bitcoin podcasts than the average person.
That's a great bumper sticker.
that would be a great bumper sticker but yeah i mean what do you see the the outlook looking like
for canada so we we talked to a lot of canadians they think that alberta you know might secede
alberta's landlocked so that's kind of a precarious situation you know you never want to be surrounded
on all sides by communists that's a bad idea historically like what do you see is the outlook
for canada what do you think the average canadian should be doing should they be going and doing uh
citadel and in costa rica and hanging out with that guy with the crazy hair that's always on
nostr or or the guy you know you don't talk about the guy that always posts the
shirtless pictures i'm sure you know who i'm talking about
so i i think things are going to get harder for canadians um i think they're going to continue
with the money printing obviously right we're in debt similar to the u.s um and i think
where we're going is both higher taxes because, you know, we're in debt, but also there's because
we're a little bit more leaning left slash commie people. And just even honestly, talking to my
neighbors, they're very pro-taxing the wealthy, right? Before the election, Trudeau actually
wanted to raise the capital gains tax rate from 50 to 66%. And I think the majority of people,
especially the ones that I talked to, were supportive of that, right? And I think, too,
the debt is only going to get worse. So they're going to look at different ways to raise money.
And that could include... So for example, if you have a home in Canada, my understanding is it's
not the same in the US. If you sell it your primary residence, you don't pay any capital
gains tax. And with the money printer, property values have gone excessive. I remember five years
ago, sort of where I used to live in the greater Toronto area, if you're looking at, say, a townhouse,
it would be like five, 600,000 Canadian. And now they're 901,000,000, 1.1, right? That was just
like five six years ago like it's it's massively gone up in price and hence the unaffordability
but so if you were to sell that house because you made like 400,000 in gains you don't get taxed on
it because it was your primary residence but I could see that getting taxed um and the worst case
would be you know the uh what is it the one that Australia is putting in is unrealized capital
gains I that that would just I know Canadians like wealthy Canadians are moving out and some
bitcoiner's have already left some are thinking of leaving um and so i like could you imagine like
you're up you're down you know you're like i don't even know how that would get how that would work
how would get valued but not just from a bitcoin perspective like let's say you're starting a
company right how do you value your company uh and your equity and then what if you are don't
have any liquidity like companies will not be forming in canada or they'll be exiting canada
And so the productive people leave.
And yet, so who gets taxed, right?
It's a bad situation.
Yeah.
With like the concentration of banking in, you kind of these people in Canada are very concentrated.
So like this land is like so valuable because it's like close to like the it's very limited.
You got your main banks and you got the Canadian Central Bank.
Do you think that a tether stand, bringing stable coins, bringing tether into Canada, making it instead of the Canadian dollar, it just goes on the, you know, the reserve currency becomes tether.
People will be able to afford to build houses out in the tundra, out in the Yukon, out in Edmonton, outside of Winnipeg, instead of having to concentrate in the city centers because they can have, you know, easier access to the liquidity.
I am not following sort of the two thoughts there.
Because A, I think you're sort of saying like having kind of sounder money by owning.
I mean, we already own some treasuries, right?
And some other, it's not just treasuries, U.S. treasuries, U.S. dollars.
We also own, oh my gosh, I think a little bit of the yen and the pound.
So there is some currency there.
But the other thing, too, is like, yes, Canada is huge.
For one, you know, there are some communities that don't have natural gas or electricity because they're quite remote.
But that said, you know, why do people concentrate here?
It's the jobs.
Like, I'm privileged enough that I can do a lot of remote work.
Yes, I still travel, etc.
But the majority of folks, they have to still, you know, there's still that movement that you have to come into the office like two or three times a week at least.
some people obviously more and so there really isn't jobs so yes you can buy a home for like
300 000 canadian and you know four hours north but what kind of jobs are there right and how much
are you making so so we're kind of stuck yeah it doesn't kind of doesn't work so you know same
thing like my brother is younger than me and they're having a hard time buying a house so it's
like it makes me angry to see what the government has done um and of course i think bitcoin is one
of the ways, or the only ways that you can, unless you're buying like NVIDIA, one of the only ways
that you can afford for, you know, a down payment for a house. But that aside, you know, like having
those conversations of have you thought about moving, like, you know, one or the other person of
a relationship may not have that luxury because their job requires them to be, you know, right
there in the city center yeah and one of the this is what leads me to this whole theme of paper
bitcoin summer the bitcoin treasury companies and podcasters is that the more bitcoin treasury
companies that we launch and the more podcasters that are subsequently employed by you can podcast
where can you buy anywhere you'll have to live downtown toronto you don't have to live downtown
Vancouver you can live uh outside the outside the city where things work because you can podcast
from anywhere so the more bitcoin treasury companies and the more podcasting jobs you
want to bring those to Canada and you yourself want to set the example because you're talking
about I do what we what we preach every day on this podcast on the timeline is starting your own
Bitcoin podcast. Damn right. I'm starting my own Bitcoin podcast, gentlemen. You know how some
podcasters are like, oh, please, sir, please, ma'am, can I have a Bitcoin treasury job? And it's like,
no I advise DDC which is really awesome because it the first Bitcoin treasury company led by a woman But so I have already landed that And I like hmm I got to reverse this and launch my own podcast
Right.
OK.
Well, here we talked about this.
I wanted to get into this, but you mentioned it.
The first Bitcoin treasury company founded by and lost by a woman.
And how do you when you're going and you're marketing this and you're looking for investors and such?
let's just be honest women are known for liking to spend their bitcoin they like they go to target
they see something they see how do we know that the treasury is going to be hodling and that is
that the woman's who's leading this treasury is not going to spend the bitcoin from
which she goes to target you know what you're saying right right it is it's not it's not your
fault that that stereotype exists. But how do you address it when you podcast, you know,
and promote it? I had no idea that you gentlemen were going to think that female-led Bitcoin
treasury companies are going on shopping sprees. Clearly, we need to think about our
investor relations strategy to make sure that these kinds of rumors are quashed.
Well, to be fair, you know, men also like to go on, a lot of these guys like to go on spending sprees at all.
I know there was that lawsuit against that mining company.
I believe it was a Compute North where the salesmen were going and blowing a bunch of money at the strip clubs.
I missed that.
I remember, I mean, was it 2017, 2018, where there was like wild crypto parties, right?
I thought those days were gone, gentlemen.
oh no they're just beginning the the bitcoin diddy parties they're gonna be happening
bring back the yacht parties that's very bitcoin summer guys i'm not i'm not a fan of it uh
personally of both i did it no of bitcoin diddy parties i plan on going to zero that is a boo
No, thank you.
Yeah.
I will say, as long as those parties exist, as long as the Build-A-Bird group and all the conspiracy groups, all those exist.
I'm not condoning them.
I just think that they should include Bitcoin podcasters.
I think that that perspective would do a good job of aligning the incentives.
If they're going to exist, they should at least have a Bitcoin podcaster.
If Canada asked you to represent them in Davos, how would you feel about going?
I think I'd like to attend. I think we need to infiltrate, right? Look at the White House. They just brought in BPI, right? Or really, should I say BIA, right? Bitcoin Intelligence Agency.
That's right. That's right. We talked about this. We talked about our podcast and our orange pilling. Inevitably, orange pilled a lot of feds and the feds, they want an orange pill as well. So like we're in the CIA, we're in the FBI, we're in the White House, we're in the Oval Office, we're on Air Force with David Bailey's there. We're everywhere.
So is is it if you get invited to the Bohemian Grove to to be the podcaster, it's like, should you go?
This is what Paper Bitcoin Summer is about.
We're infecting every institution.
There's no institution left standing that's not going to be impacted or affected by by Bitcoin through some mechanism.
Right now, it's the securitization of Bitcoin.
And so, yeah, I just think there should be a Bitcoin podcast or a ditty parties.
if they're going to exist and or you know or it's a build it yeah or a davos yeah i don't want to be
the one or tatum tatum would probably be a good so i think we we discussed on our show a long time
ago uh some advantages that women have in selling meme coins and and non-kyc feed pics and i think
women have some inherent advantages in selling paper bitcoin than men one of them one of the
primary ones is it seems like women while men are all distracted with technical analysis and glass
node and you know trying to understand the macro women have a tendency to be more predisposed to
astrology which is really almost like being really attuned to the vibes right
vibe investing yes forget the spreadsheets just invest based on vibes
yeah it seems to work for it seems to work when practiced you know very well it's like it's like
trade everybody wants to be a trader anybody can trade based on any system but if you want to trade
based on vides you got to be a disciplined observer and a checker of vides you have to be
able to vibe check yourself to be successful trading on vides and do you think that bitcoin
that paper bitcoin lends itself to a vibe trader to be able to hone in on that i think
if we're still talking about differences between the sexes then yes i think there's definitely
things that women might pick up on just like we have more sensitive sense of smell right more eq
emotional intelligence i think uh we are our vibe radar might be a little bit more attuned there
do you think so a lot of these bitcoin podcasters they're they're stinky they don't have the best
personal hygiene are you talking about yourself
no i'm a journalist i've got i've got i've got professional training and uh i i wear suits to
the office i've got a great personal coiner i'm an adult is what i am i wouldn't call myself a
suit coiner i call myself a professional i'm an adult i'm a credential journalist yes um
so i mean a lot of these guys like you know they've they've just coasted through life with
like supercharged autism right and now they're getting to these points where they have to don
them the suit they have to learn how to iron and press their shirt and tie their shoelaces right
because vibe check on mr sam yep he did not tie his shoelaces correctly and look where that led
him with ftx absolutely yeah no i mean it's a major red flag when you when you have somebody
wielding that much money and uh they don't have good personal hygiene you know sam bakeman freed
you look at him he just he looks stinky yeah i think i think you're onto something though so
there's a lot of i think my own personal uh opinion is there's a lot of autists and adhders
that are early like ogs because it took that like hyper focus going down that rabbit hole
like where I know not everyone believes being neurodivergent is a superpower.
But I do think in the case of going down the Bitcoin rabbit hole, it was.
There's tradeoffs.
There's tradeoffs like superpower and autism gets you really far in some ways.
In some ways, it makes things more difficult.
But in a woman owned and ran paper Bitcoin company, there's going to be a lot less tolerance for stinkiness.
i i would agree and and do you think that david bailey has what it takes to to get his company
in line david bailey and stephen love because they even well i mean i haven't smelled david
bailey so i don't know where this you can't smell him to the screen no i can't smell him to the
screen but mr stephen on the other hand i think he's a very strong candidate he seems like he
takes baths i mean between the ice baths shine ice baths exactly between the sunshine
i don't know i mean if you're if you're in florida and you're outside a lot you're just
inherently stinky you're in the swamp you know what i mean well well i think i think to expand
this a little bit more i think to hone in on what you're talking about here it's about discipline
because autism is a team can lead you down great rabbit holes,
but it takes discipline to execute.
And if you look at some of these other paper Bitcoin,
you've got, we mentioned David Bailey and Nakamoto.
There's Jack Mallers.
He's always wearing a hoodie.
He's got a broccoli haircut, like a Zoomer.
You've got Adam Back's got a new SPAC.
Adam Back likes to wear hoodies and, you know, cardo shorts.
you've got these people
not we talk about it
being like suit coin summer or
skirt coin summer right
Natalie right she's
she's advising similar
she's not
she's not stinky
no so yeah that's a good thing that Natalie
and Joe Joe wear suits
but it'd be those
two and then you
with your
BTC everybody else
they're looking sloppy
that's your advantage right there that you are you're tuned in you're disciplined and you're
going to be focused to execute you're not wearing cargo shorts because that's the wrong vibe for
wall street right like that's the wrong vibe for for financial man for financial services
i mean honestly there's a collision of fashion right you've got your suit coiners and then you've
got the steven lubkas of the world who are wearing their shirts they're vibe investing it's
I don't know if the world is ready.
That's my, that's, that's just, that is just the, like the, the Patagonia vest that you would see on Wall Street.
But that's when you get to Miami.
Like some of these vibe investors are living in South Florida, they're living in Miami.
It's going to be like the paper Bitcoin summer tank.
And, you know, one of those big shoulder pad white jackets.
That's, that's, that's still, that's Miami suit coin.
Yeah.
You know, commenting on David Bailey real quick and his stinkiness, he looks like a guy that used to be stinky.
But, you know, if you've ever seen any, he's married.
His wife doesn't look like she tolerates that.
So she probably whips him in the shape on that front.
So really all Bitcoiners need girlfriends and then wives.
Well, I think they just need to grow up.
You know, they need to stop calling themselves plebs.
get they need to go to get some chairs yeah go to men's warehouse get a tailored suit
the whole renting a tuxedo for the sailor 100k party and not having it tailored it's just not
going to cut it anymore i think you're onto something but why why is having a women-owned
paper Bitcoin company important to you I think so I mean yeah i been i been around since 2017 um and you know back then it
was really very male dominated uh then i moved more into mining because my before bitcoin i was
into energy and carbon markets uh and heavy industries like steel cement so like mining
was a better fit for me because then i could use my legacy knowledge um and it was exciting i love
Honestly, I love the stuff that's happening in Africa where they're powering communities that never had power before, right?
That's the stuff that lights my eyes up.
And so, but mining is super dominated by men as well.
And same thing, you know, seeing now, you know, Wall Street has traditionally been very male-centered.
But I think what's interesting is like when we all talk about like everybody, we're trying to get everybody into Bitcoin, right?
Right. Having more females in Bitcoin to then connect with other females means that other women can start investing in Bitcoin.
Right. Because a lot of times we look to our friends or peers and the reasons.
So UBS, one of the larger wealth management banks in the world.
So they did studies a couple of years ago around why, you know, why do women invest versus why men invest?
And they tend to be different reasons.
So having those kind of stories permeate is helpful from like, you know, the retail slash individual investor. But I think now we have a female leader. And this isn't about like, I hate conferences that are all about investing, you know, like, sorry, that have women panels and women talk about being women. And it's like, no, put the woman on the panel to talk about the mining or the treasuries or whatever. Like, because it's like, I don't care that you're juggling a family.
Like, that's not what I'm here for. I want to hear about your takes because you have succeeded, right? They don't stick Lynn on a woman's panel and talk about bullshit, right? And so having a female treasury company leader, it signals to other women that have companies that they can invest to, or maybe it will make them notice or more likely reach out to, for example, Norma and ask those questions.
right because they have a peer that they can connect with just like if you know you have a
female friend versus your male crypto bros right you might talk to your female friend more about
bitcoin i think it's the same thing there um so so in terms of getting more companies and it's not
just about like paper bitcoin companies that's it you know like bitcoin treasury companies it's
there's so many companies out there that are zombie companies that are just you know they're
Yes, they have a stock, but they're down over time. It's the mag seven, really, whether it's the Canadian or the US or other stock markets. There's so many that don't have very good balance sheets. They're losing against inflation.
So not for the sake of necessarily just becoming a Bitcoin treasury company, but having a female leader that bought Bitcoin means that other companies and corporates might have that are female led or, you know, might be able to have those discussions to just add Bitcoin to their balance sheet.
Right. I know there's some Bitcoiners that are like, oh, no, corporations are buying Bitcoin.
It's co-opted.
Well, no, Bitcoin was always for anyone or everyone, potentially, even your enemy.
And so, you know, at some point, corporations were going to buy it too.
And governments, right?
Some governments, whether those are the U.S. or North Korea, like they're going to own it because we're pretty much in the big leagues now.
And having someone to talk to helps.
So I think that's why it's pretty cool.
and it's it's really important i think to you to know like what we talk about listening to 40 hours
of bitcoin podcasts but we can that applies to men and women equally in our advice but it's harder
for women to i think really get in to 40 hours if they have to listen to male podcasts that include
libertarian politics conspiracy theories stuff about you they just want to hear about bitcoin
and when you have like a you know if you could if you launched your podcast that is another option
in the 40 hours per week to just get straight to the point about learning about bitcoin and some of
these broader problems without without litigating all the politics yeah because i think you know like
what my podcast mix is is probably very different from what your podcast mix is and then sometimes
I might go to like a show that I don't regularly listen to, but I'm like, oh, Lynn Alden. I want
to listen to Lynn again. Or, oh, I really want to hear from Cal about talking about the OG paper
Bitcoin e-cash, right? So, you know, I might hop around depending on the topic, but I think,
you know, there's certain voices that we're more likely to gravitate to. So there's always,
there's a podcast for you out there and you being like the person who hasn't never listened to a
podcast before so i don't think it hurts uh hopefully it will be you know well received
uh and also yes like some of the podcasts are a little boring so i have to bring a little bit of
energy not all of them but when it gets too serious i think i think you gotta like brighten
it up a little bit what what do you think are um talk about that difference between like men and
women's podcast mix and what they're listening to what are your speculations on what that looks like
i do speculate probably a lot more women listen to nat burnell versus like peter mccormack i would
think or breed love right i do think like there's that bit of a connection um but also depends on
sort of like what are you listening for like for example i always listen to the breakdown yes that's
that's a male but it's like very short like what did i miss in bitcoin uh on on twitter this week
right so there's there's those kind of uh ones i know um oh what is her name oh my gosh she does
kind of like a more spiritual oh my gosh what's her name she's blonde heather no no no no um
hell money with aaron uh redwing no but clearly there's a lot of podcasts that i don't know but
But I think like some people talk about it was like love and money or something.
Anyways, there's some people that maybe are more woo-woo and spiritual.
So that will appeal to them, right?
I think too.
So like it's interesting.
I think I was hanging out with a few people including Jeff Booth and a few people were women and then there were the men there, right?
And Jeff Booth, just for example of like opinions, differing opinions, right?
Jeff Booth was very much about like sell your house or or don't buy a house yet because the price of homes keeps continues to drop.
Right. It used to be like 400 Bitcoin and like 60 Bitcoin for Bitcoin to buy a house. Right.
And I get that perspective. But I think and but there was at least two of us, maybe three, you know, women that were like, I understand this.
but like women like to have a home that they want to call their own where they can raise their
children their families it's like you're not stressing about paying down your your mortgage
or maybe it's a smaller mortgage and and also like we like to invite people in our homes we
like to host parties and if that means that i can build a solid foundation for for my family i do
want to sell some bitcoin and buy a house it's a very divergent opinion that maybe will seem
unrealistic to you know women if they hear it on one you know just one example of a type of
conversation that i've seen so i think you know bringing in different types of perspectives can
help because others will connect with that more so question about jeff booth is he as boring in
person as he is to listen to on bitcoin podcast i don't think so i think when people get into a
very serious bitcoin talking mode they can they can become that yeah i think it's slightly different
i gotta say i enjoyed reading his book and uh i enjoyed listening to him say the same thing like
the first 10 times on podcast but like ever since then it's kind of gotten difficult and uh but
yeah so i mean that's it's all really fascinating uh that's a theme that uh sly goomba
and true heather argued about on uh their podcast because true heather said very similar stuff to
you like she she likes her things she likes having a house and stability and um it's a it's a different
perspective and until a lot of these autistic orange shells hearing that it sounds like failing
a purity test right and and i think too like like where are you in your stage in right life right
are you 20 are you 30 like are you or are you 40 50 60 and i think too that you know
when you're young you still have all this life ahead of you you can take those risks you can
invest but i think like honestly myself too like i would like to get a house i'm pretty sick of
renting like yes bitcoin can still whatever people are like oh it's still going to 10x and whatever
it's like but i don't have those 20 years that like a 20 year old has to kind of you know i've
already roughed it like at some point you have to just be like you know what this I want to be
comfortable I would like my own house I would like to invite you know like when family visits
have a room for them to stay in and yeah there's a point at which you want different things and
you know not everyone's there and I think that's sort of the difference too.
what yeah one of the big steps and the big journeys of launching your first year your
own podcast is deciding who who's gonna be your first guest my first guest two things
what the heck to call it there's so many podcasts out there guys like you need a logo you need a
name yeah and who's gonna be your first guest so what are you what ideas have you had for both of
So I was quite, you know, yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I already own PitBitcoinSummer.com.
But that's pretty niche, right?
I was thinking of calling it Bitcoin Summer because it's a little more happy, maybe attracts more women.
But then I was like doing some deep dives with the AI on Brock and ChatGPT.
at GPT. And it seems that like the more macro geopolitics type of like deep thinking is what
is popular in podcasts. So then I'm like, I don't want. So here's where I'm torn at, right? I want
a podcast name that won't turn off necessarily someone that's like, oh, it's a Bitcoin podcast.
So do I go a little bit broader? In my Vibes Capital Management group chat, and this is kind
of like a silly name but there were names it was uh meg meg splaining like mansplaining i mean it's
silly i just throwing out things i thought that was a fun one i just don't just don't call your
self-ness obnoxious that's just the one you don't want to do exactly right do i call it something
like geopolitically related geopolitically related it's it's a tough one so i'm still
kind of stuck on that i i've got some thoughts i think so i think it's really important for
bitcoiners for bitcoin podcasters to really understand that they're the shit they are the
shit they're the ones that were right over and over and over again they're just going to continue
to be right over and over again and so i want you you know when you're going through this process
to get in your nest nicest skirt suit go look in the mirror orange skirt suit yeah and and just
like have that like when you as you look at yourself just like i'm the the absolute shit
um so you know like here right now i i think a good name for it would just be the the canadian
queen podcast it's funny you're the pioneer of uh paper bitcoin instead of the price instead of
the price of tomorrow the pioneer of tomorrow with crypto yeah yeah i don't i won't do the
crypto i mean i've retained the crypto in my handle but it's a funnel we're trying to get
all the crypto folks to come into to bitcoin i don't i don't know if fountain will let you on
there if you use the name crypto you'll have to change it to bitcoin max or like you said drop it
yeah yeah yeah so well for now it's bitcoin summer until i decide not to to if i come up with
something better but it's it's a tough one and then yes obviously the first guest like i'd love
for someone like maybe lynn alden or i was thinking about matt pines because he was just at the white
house and i think he'd be cool to interview but yeah it's it's it's a tough one like who do you
pick well there wasn't there like that little kid there was somebody that that got sailor on his
first episode like immediately like yeah yeah it it's you could go a lot of ways it's some people
might think that like matthew pines it's a great way you get a fad on there oh it's somebody from
the cia and that's going to propagate boom it's going to get uh it's going to go it's going to go
viral lynn would be a great lynn would be a great first guest do you is it going to be only guess
are you going to have like your share your insights um i mean i i can't help it i talk
so i'm probably going to throw some insights into kind of like i guess breed love although just
not go on as long as breed love you'll be you'll be significantly more intelligent than breed love
that's not that's not that hard he does actually have some good thoughts
so but yes thank you more energy maybe i think i think it's a question of much more charming
definitely i think it's a question of who do you want your audience to be who your first guest
should be so if you wanted to be women i think pines is a good choice because matthew pines is
a thirst trap for sure he is a thirst trap for sure for sure yeah okay point taken well i'm i'm
look i'm not just this isn't like towards women but it's also hopefully getting more women into
podcasting right they it's towards everyone yeah women aren't investing in bitcoin they're not
listening to 40 hours like what we're falling behind guys i i think it's great it's a great
initiative i think it's really important to get more women listening to bitcoin podcasts because
you know one of the challenges a lot of men have that listen to 40 hpw is they just can't relate
like they they go on these dates and they try and turn the date immediately into a bitcoin podcast
and the girl just doesn't care you know she's like this is weird i want him to ask me about
what my astrology sign is and then to listen to me talk about all these things and it would be
it would be great to have right sorry really he needs to start talking about a true crime
but there needs to be an element in bitcoin and she will be hooked
yeah like the same guy that ran away to like thailand and or whatever that happened in canada
That is the exchange that I helped EY distribute funds for to Canadians, right? Yes, he did. He stole the money. He went to India, then he died. Then there was like a whole back and forth weird thing with his body where they like took it. They took it back to his hotel, then they took it to a hospital who didn't want it. Then they sent it to like a university hospital. It was very, very questionable if he ended up dying or not.
And then obviously, like, so 200 million was stolen from users and only about 44?
There was some recovered after, so maybe max 50.
This is Canadian maple syrup dollars, of course.
And so, but the crazy thing was that 30 million of that was actually frozen by CIBC.
And that's like one of the biggest reasons that that didn't get traded away with terrible, terrible trades for like ETH and stuff like that.
And so or it didn't get liquidated was because it was frozen.
And then the other 10 was like hard assets like Canadian real estate.
So that's why there was some funds to distribute.
But yes, crazy story.
That's a hot, hot tip for our listeners.
So if you're out there, you're striking out on dates, you just got the roadmap to make it more interesting.
You can talk about Bitcoin.
Yep.
And maybe like, oh, this doesn't really factor in, but, you know, like I know the ladies like their romance novels too.
That's another way we got to get the women in, right?
Make Bitcoin romantic.
No, I was going to say Bitcoin romance novels, but yes, orange pill.
that actually is like a project that i want to do is write a big white romance novel to just get the
ladies in right absolutely yes but they don't want to read like the price of tomorrow or the
history of money or what's safe dean's book you know yeah they want to yeah they don't read about
the low time preference podcaster they meet yeah and and then
the prince who owns bitcoin in his country's treasury
the princess the princess the hereditary prince of serbia yeah philip there you go he was listening
to bitcoin podcasts so one thing we do every show uh with our guests is we read the phantom
boost of our previous interview show um before we get into that i got a couple questions for you so
i think one of the thing that's um is really intimidating uh for women coming into this
industry is just uh you know not it's a whole different lexicon it's a whole different set of
customs and it's it's a very different culture you know it's easy to walk on a landmine unnecessarily
you accidentally say crypto instead of bitcoin and everybody's glaring at you um you mean like
today so like you've decided so there was a lot of controversy at the uh the bugle newsroom
two of our journalists maggie morris and kaylee welch they were fighting they had a huge argument
on twitter uh back and forth on whether you should wear a skirt or um a pantsuit to the office
oh well if you're a lady you gotta wear a skirt suit in my opinion
why why do you think that why do i think that i like i think skirt suits look nicer
more feminine but i will counteract that because the patriarchy has decided that offices need to be
a certain temperature and that temperature tends to be a lot colder for women so even though i would
prefer to wear the darn skirt suit i am forced to wear a regular suit because it's freaking cold in
offices anyways you could you just wear those um skin colored uh fleece lined uh leggings i didn't
know about those until like last year well have a uh having air conditioning at the office that is
At least what Bitcoin would describe it means you're not a euro poor.
So again, comparing to the UK, you're still ahead.
You're still ahead in Canada.
That was the craziest difference when I went.
So I went to a conference in Miami.
The first I was my first BTC.
Like not my first Bitcoin conference, but like the biggest one.
And I was like 2021.
And I was like, oh, my God, it is so cold.
And then I went, I think a year later or two years ago to Prague, which gorgeous, you
know uh city and it was stark difference like i'd have to layer in miami which is ironic and i was
like shorts and short sleeves in in prog so yeah the europor air conditioning like i have lived it
is that why you were walking around with the s9 backpack to stay warm in the cold air conditioning
that was because i was trying to get a haircut with the fans
yes anyway so you had questions so you had this uh that that was what you wanted my take on skirt
suits yeah that was the first question um i mean that could that could be like a whole podcast series is uh the the cultural customs of like you know how to for women coming in this industry Well here the funny thing
So now that I'm back sort of in the corporate sphere with Bitcoin Treasury, you know, advising a treasury company, I feel like, dang, I have to bust out those skirt suits.
But for like the longest time at conferences, I was like, yeah, jeans, I never have to wear heels again.
This is amazing.
it's nice being a pleb or or just like a bitcoin industry person that wasn't in the corporate world
totally um the other question which i i think you said yeah um you probably didn't we we always ask
our guests if they heard the the previous interview show we did so we um we interviewed
charlie spears from broccoli space media okay are you familiar with charlie i actually am not
wow yeah charlie's a good dude uh he runs block space b he's got he's got a broccoli haircut
zoomer uh co-founder uh will foxley they really cover the mining space so they have a mining
podcast what is the handle because i it's quite possible that i do know because but i have to see
the handle and like the picture the the profile picture i tend to be sometimes very bad with
names but i visually he's wearing a suit in his uh profile picture i see
there's charlie's a good dude yeah uh and we talked we talked about a lot of stuff we talked
about attacking bitcoin okay yes okay yes it's an unforgettable face that's for sure yep very
charlie is one of platter's main nemesis if they are we wanted to get platter to listen
we wanted to get platter to listen to our show so we invited charlie on and i think we succeeded
because now platters uh tweeting about may have a bitcoin summer nice we just all hope he has a
good day that's just what you got to do with people like him yes it's just like the bully right you
don't you can't react right because then the bully will keep bullying you just like yeah have a good
day and that'll just make them more mad well i feel like you know you can you can punch the bully
in the face like that's uh you know appropriate thing to do but for pletitor it just feels like
you're punching down you know what i mean like he's he's that chubby guy that's sitting there
happy it's it's it's kind of sad like what made you this angry absolutely yeah it's there's more
life than a nintendo buddy so um yeah so we interviewed charlie we we held his feet to the
fire we we made him answer for all of his spamming that he's doing um he's a big fan of ordinals
oh okay and uh it was a it was a really good conversation he he turns out to be a uh very
talented musician that was something i like okay i think like we need more uh bitcoin musicians
more podcasts for women more women bitcoin podcasters we need more bitcoin musicians for
sure dang right um well yeah go through these boos our good friend shadrach 10,393 sats says
don't forget the beastie boys uh shadrach i don't get that reference is that so i don't know shadrach
but there was a beastie boys song that was overlaid on a um it's just so good on a uh dragon ball z
like clip that you know everything comes back to bitcoin right i was like the vegeta meme
yeah yeah so that that's what what i think of there for that tweet i'll have to listen to that
um so he says yes my name came from the torah awesome show guys hashtag 40 hpw so we were
talking about um so the only reason why uh charlie knew the reference shadrack from the bible was
because he watched veggie tales as a kid veggie tales oh my god they have some pretty good songs
so in in your opinion is uh the tunnel twins on par with veggie tales or do they need to step up
their game i really like the total twins and i actually thought it was kind of like a bitcoin
show but when i went through the episodes it's actually like the first season i don't think even
touches on like bitcoin directly but it covers a lot of the things that us bitcoiners hope the rest
of the world would know so i think that's why it's awesome and it's entertaining uh definitely
would recommend it to my friends who have kids
if we were going to have like a not better than magic school bus
if we were going to have like a bitcoin version of miss rachel who do you think would be the best
candidate for that are you familiar with miss rachel remind me it sounds familiar
so she's like um she's she's like displaced uh barney and uh sesame street she is like
modern day mr rogers but she's a youtuber okay no i have missed that so so sorry who do i think
would be the female equivalent of miss rachel it would be a good candidate in the bitcoin ecosystem
to replace to be the bitcoin miss rachel would it be lena who has like you know the
lena with a little plushie yeah i had a plushie around i don't know where he went
but i have a plushie too yeah maybe definitely not max he's not gonna be the next mr rogers
maybe isabella isabella she'd be a great yeah that's a good candidate too
she's probably gonna go through that phase she's gonna she's gonna decide to have kids at some
point and then she's gonna be obsessed with kids and then she's gonna become the bitcoin miss
what about carla you know she has the fun outfits i think carla would be cool
carla would be cool yeah uh walk over to have his podcast and she would have her children's
youtube show yeah perfect oh yeah um the next uh based is from a late stage hodl and i've been
looking forward to bringing this one up because uh i feel a little like there's something going on
here uh miscommunication so late stage hodl based 6 000 sets i said uh oh i lost it sorry
um anti-swanitism yeah we'll get into that so anti-swanitism used without credit my favorite
they coined power couple is Rod and Dick, and they're not giving me credit for coining that term.
You owe me a fountain boost now, but the future certainly doesn't have good UX.
So late stage, before we get into anti-swanism, I was unaware that you have a claim to the term.
I think we started using it in late 2023.
free uh anti-swanism is just you know there's people on the timeline they have swan derangement
syndrome they think that swan is yeah it's just everything is oh swan is is a conspiracy from swan
for the podcast and swan fluencers and they are there you know they're sponsoring the podcast they
just think that that swan is the cause of all the problems on the timeline and it's they just spew a
lot of anti-swanatist uh you know rhetoric and behavior it's it's it's just troubling uh so we've
been calling it out for a couple of years now um late state honnold feels like he coined the term
we're gonna have to always research that we're gonna have to share receipts here because i
i do not i do not it does not sound right to me
i definitely believe we we were the first identified the term we we coined the term we
didn't coin the uh the behavior though but yeah when you think of anti-swanism you think of people
like stony bitson and udi you know people that are being mean to cory unnecessarily there's a lot
of reasons to be mean to cory but like they're they're just doing it for the wrong reasons it's
very unfair and deranged.
Yeah, yeah.
It's,
uh,
we,
I would,
you know,
I condone anti-swanism,
but we do want to get to the bottom of this late stage and give you the
hundreds of sets you may deserve for this.
Um,
he also based it again,
5,000,
well,
two more times,
uh,
5,999 and 5,998.
Um,
did I not boost last,
uh,
behind the podcast what the actual fuck i guess now i uh i know why you forgot about me i should
never have questioned your credentials and that's a good start late stage do not question
our credentials as journalists um these are some moody boots yeah last one
all the alter no no not at all late stage huddle is uh is a great friend of the show
He loves his show.
It just he might have been having a bad week Everybody got a little grumpy Or some people have been a little grumpy during paper bitcoin summer um his last news one day pies and he one of our he one of the biggest
bitcoin podcast basters on fountain uh and i will meet and i will be humbled by trying to overcome
his base credentials frequency over volume is key i can't seal his valor or his bitcoin productivity
with my paper book paper bitcoin bullshit it's wrong think to consider my paper pioneer version
of non-binary booster could ever surpass buys the pleb non-custodial emojis long live the plout
um that is just a a you know a tribute to our top listener pies who will get into at the bottom
of these boosts.
So there's been a lot of people
that have been concerned
about paper Bitcoin rehypothecation.
And I think we all know
the solution to this,
which is to put paper Bitcoin
on the blockchain.
Brilliant.
I don't know why
I didn't think of this.
But what, you know,
what we could also do
is proof of reserves.
I mean, there's another one there, right?
But I think I like yours.
So really what we should come in is bring like one of the big four auditors, right?
They're going to paper certify that the Bitcoin's there.
And we're going to put that certification on the blockchain.
That's what you were thinking, right?
Well, yeah.
I mean, I think it's the most reasonable way.
And the reason why I think it's important isn't necessarily to handle the rehypothecation potential issue,
but to appease the people that are mad at paper Bitcoin.
accusing them of rehypothecation because if you can transact that they're mad about do you think
that they're actually mad about rehypothecation or do you think they're mad about the fact that
they're like who the heck is selling paper bitcoin is making like the numbers aren't real
are they even really buying bitcoin are they selling bitcoin because the number is not going
up i think they're just salty that the number is not going up they're not understanding that
There's all these old OG whales that are selling because everyone has their price.
Some people want to buy homes or whatever or their boats.
Marshall Long wants to bring power to Africa.
Right.
So they got to sell their Bitcoin.
And so I think there's a little bit of saltiness there.
um i it's possible that there is at least one company that they're doing shenanigans because
there's always a player that seems to do some sort of shenanigans in every cycle right uh there
were icos there were scam coins we've got i mean ftx how many implosions of exchanges so there's
always going to be a bad actor i think it gets harder and harder to be a bad actor in this world
Right. There's all these regulatory requirements that are coming down.
So I don't think there's a lot of shenanigans.
And honestly, most of those companies are probably using Coinbase or someone like Coinbase.
And Coinbase has so much scrutiny on them.
Like, it'd be hard to believe that they're doing something funny.
As long as Plenitor is out there auditing and monitoring the timeline, it's going to be hard for entities, companies that have reporting requirements to pull anything past them.
And Plenitor is not alone.
Plenitor is just the loudest and the grumpiest.
But there's people out there who are watching this all the time.
They're watching the nodes.
They're watching the settlements.
They're watching the volume.
And if the market does think that somebody is playing games, that's, you know, they sniff that out and they punish it.
And I will say, yes, I know that Saylor has not published his proof of reserves, but there are groups like Arkham, right?
They are tracking and they believe, you know, pretty confidently that these are Saylor's.
Sorry, not Saylor, but you know what I mean, like MicroStrategy's Bitcoin.
So there are sort of third parties that are providing a little bit of that proof of reserves system. Now, I will say one thing. I really do hope there is no rehypothecation. I mean, as fun as Paper Bitcoin Summer is, you know, I worked for CoinKite for a while. I saw, you know, and I mean, I'm still a bankruptcy inspector.
So I know what it's like to lose your Bitcoin right personally and hear other stories of people losing them.
So I think, you know, if you have concerns, like do not put all your Bitcoin in a paper Bitcoin basket or whatever you want or gammy it up.
Like hold your own keys, whether it's all of it or a portion of it.
I have also talked to people that lost Bitcoin because they forgot their keys.
They didn't store their seed properly.
So there's like, you know, there's risks with everything. Right. So so some people diversify that risk by holding, you know, paper Bitcoin versus and some of it is regular Bitcoin for Canadians, for example. Right. It's strategic to hold some paper Bitcoin because we get up to about now it's up to about one hundred thousand Canadian in our tax free savings account.
So like you will not get taxed on $100,000. And then as that grows, you know, if it grows to a million, grows to a million, you will not be taxed on it. But it's only eligible, unfortunately, for, you know, paper Bitcoin type of vehicles, whether that's, you know, micro strategies, stock or ETFs.
So, you know, there's different reasons for people to hold different things. You know, some of it is insured. If you hold, because now some financial institutions like brokers will actually let you buy Bitcoin, like Wealthsimple, but that's not eligible under the regulatory framework under insurance.
But if you own ETF up to I can't remember if it's 100 or 250,000 per institution, but there's some amount that's insured.
So if it's paper Bitcoin, it's insured.
If the institution goes under, there's like a insurance fund that's run by government that all the financial institutions pay.
So there's like there's pros and cons, right?
You really have to kind of consider like, what are my risks?
What are my biggest risks?
Is it me?
Like, am I the risk?
Am I going to look at I've lost keys.
That's how I learn.
Right.
I lost also on Quadriga.
Like, that's how I learned, right?
So I don't, you know, sometimes you have to touch that hot stove.
But then also I want to have some of my Bitcoin that is not taxable.
So I'm going to hold some paper Bitcoin.
Paper Bitcoin on the blockchain fixes this.
It's the happy medium.
You can access paper Bitcoin.
You can custody your own keys at the same time.
Yeah.
That's right.
Magic.
Yeah.
Like, don't have, you know, eight out of 25 split keys.
Like, anyways.
Don't get fancy.
Don't get too fancy.
Honestly, don't get too fancy.
Get fancy with your suits, not your security.
Can I tell you how fancy I got?
I got so fancy that I encrypted a drive and I forgot my, like, crazy password that was, like, super long.
And, like, I could not get into it.
So, yeah.
Don't get too fancy.
i think we i think we all have done that that's a it's a rite of passage
next boost from trevor agora 5000 sats is in the 70s when i was a kid american men went shirtless
in the summer before that the natives were shirtless year round as a bitcoin podcaster
i go shirtless whenever possible nice is this steven's alter he's getting a son good for him
yeah being shirtless is uh it's cool i mean it gives you some like uh who's your favorite
shirtless canadian uh bitcoiner would it be made x or john oh oh yeah sessions btc sessions
sessions yes he's put in some gym sessions yep that's some people some people are accusing him
of having ai muscles so i guess we'll have to see next time we see him in person and see if that
proof of work and if it's real and you own a tallow company out there you want to be the person who
whose tallow he uses to rub on his muscles before he takes pictures right get that shiny glistening
ai muscles uh i use the tallow and and i have sent tallow sunscreen too it's great it's from uh
claire and fritz it's really nice i highly recommend i i get my tallow from steak and
shake that i use on my face on your face um listening text what rod i expect um the next
time we're with sessions i expect you to have a tape measure to inspect those muscles and make
sure they're not ai muscles i'll be making sure we'll make sure yeah we'll make it see if he can
fit yeah exactly make sure that he's not expanding those in the uh in post before he posts them
online um the uh the next one is from doom satoshi 521 sats thank you for your time thank you
520 i'll do the all the 500s here mr rabbit 521 sats unplug yourself from the matrix
that's right sean 500 sats dennis porter gets hard for hard money
sean sean knows he gets me hard for hard money
um talking about okay so like first three guests on your new podcast are going to be incredibly
pivotal oh man so i think i've got i've got a good outline for you so i think um matthew pines
yes btc sessions sessions interesting choice and then Len Alden What about Adam Back instead of Sessions
No.
No, you don't want your podcast to be associated with Ambien.
You should not have Adam Back on your podcast.
A lot of people have reported that they have a hard time falling asleep at night,
and they tried towning sheep, and they were struggling, and they tried Ambien.
and it worked for a little while but the only thing that has actually sustainably worked to
help them fall asleep and i was listening to adam back podcasts oh no okay noted
yeah i mean if you want to do like a meditative like zen bitcoin podcast like a good one to fall
asleep to i would say adam back would be okay he'd be a good guest but he would be a good co-host on
on that show even that's a different kind of podcast it's the the fall asleep podcast
right the bitcoin exactly exactly when you're on you
fall asleep on the plane yeah there you go
um i will take that under advisement
yeah the before well i'll read a couple of these and i got a question uh poopsicle 300
says broccoli is better than beef um i think referring to broccoli here i don't get that
uh btc on board says 300 or uh salute thumbs up thumbs up and then we got pies with like six
laughing faces um like in your opinion mags who are the biggest third traps in bitcoin
so you got sessions you got pines i think isabella is becoming quite the thirst trap
well for for male male bitcoin oh i see um i maybe breed love used to be but then the whole
thing happened which maybe changed that
um him eating bull testicles is weird i agree no i don't think that hold on oh good question
oh such a good question what do you think about shinobi i haven't isn't his face always covered
well i mean i feel like i don't know i feel like he's been going through this incredible um
love uh like arc with uh d plus plus it's been wild to watch
is there some romance there i love d plus plus yeah are they flirting online
that's one way to put it it's kind of like i was going to bring up earlier
we have the show love on the spectrum but we have a lot on the 40 hour the 40 hour
bitcoin podcast per week and like i think shinobi and and d plus plus their interaction
which would be that would be a great one for you like you say love affair but it'd be an
entertaining one to follow. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, women are interested in that too.
So here's the thing, not to bring into any stereotypes. There are some women that are
attracted to a power or some other women that are attracted to wealth. So if they perceive
this person to be an OG, they might be attracted to, you know, so there's like,
there's different thirst traps. There's the like superficial looks, right? Like, oh, damn,
this gentleman you know is cut there's that then there's a like oh damn he went to the white house
he might be cia kind of thirst trap and then there's the oh damn he's an og minor like he's
got billions of dollars he could be the next 80 000 whale selling bitcoin right so there's a lot
of different thirst traps it's kind of a hard one like where does which female fall into which
area right i don't think we have one a trifecta there so pies bought fundamentals book posted that
so the best 2100 sats i ever read so anybody listening go make sure to check it out we'll have
fundamentals book linked in the show notes i started reading it this week too i was uh
enjoying it he was spinning some fire
and the
preface and introduction
you can
it's just an interesting perspective
on Bitcoin that's what I'm finding
from the book and I'm enjoying it
so far
well I don't know if she's coming back
but you got any
closing thoughts on this one Rod
no for those of you
that'll be a late Saterashy
I'm looking forward to meeting you there
and hanging out
so
alright folks we ran into some technical
difficulties at the end of the episode unfortunately
so we had to cut it a little bit short
with Mags
the revolution
won't have good UX but
really appreciate her coming
on the show
she truly is the Canadian
queen of
paper bitcoin
I want to thank you all for tuning in to this edition of behind the podcast and we'll catch you
on the next one
8am, the ticket blinks red
She's sipping ETFs and turning her head
Got a ledger in a Fendi's bag
She whispers, cold storage is such a drag
Bikini top, market cap high
She's quoting sailor while I just sigh
I'm buying spots, she's selling hype
She reads disclosures late at night
And even though I stay in hope
My thesis always gets too old
She's memeing charts I've never seen
And I just bought the dip again
She's the girl at the paper Bitcoin summer
Holding grayscale like it's gonna recover
Posting charts with ironic flair
Says real yield's dead, flips back her hair
Every day starts her beach red
She's yield farming while I bleed
She's the girl at the paper Bitcoin summer
And I just hold, I just hold
She's got friends at Goldman Sachs
They whisper alpha behind my back
I brought up keys, she rolled her eyes, she said
Self-custody's for guys who cry
I tried to shield her on lightning tips
She laughed and bought a mining rig
I thought she'd ride with soundest money
She shorted sats and said it's funny
She tracks her nab like it's a crush
She calls my cold wallet a boomer crutch
My cost basis is upside down
She's poolside watching fed tweets drown
She's the girl at the paper Bitcoin summer
Buys the top and still comes out a stunner
Reads the filings like they're romance
Holds MicroStragy just for the dance
Every moon charts her playlists start
She lost a grip, it breaks my heart
She's the girl at the paper Bitcoin summer
And I just hope, I just hope
She's got LBOs in her snap streak
Yield curves inverted but her vibe's chic
I bought the dip, she bought the float
I read Bitcoin standard, she took the boat
She told me there's no real Bitcoin, just vibes and see filings in short shorts.
And I, I believed her.
She's the girl at the paper Bitcoin summer.
Told me miners were just boomers and coveralls.
She's a 10K queen with a heart of thought.
Rides the pump, skips the blood.
Every closing bell's a runway walk.
She sells the news, I buy the talk.
She's the girl at the paper Bitcoin summer.
And I just hope.
I just hope.
Thank you.