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This is Buster Cherry coming to you from New York with a breaking story.

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The White House has confirmed that Dennis Porter is indeed missing,

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and that he was captured by the North Koreans in a daring plot.

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A State Department spokesman told me that the North Korean president, Kim Jong-un,

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was growing increasingly concerned at the rate that American politicians were becoming orange-pilled

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and that one of America's greatest assets needed to be taken off the table.

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There are reports that Dennis is in Pyongyang being forced to read state-scripted announcements to the North Korean people,

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and that erectile dysfunction has been cured across the country.

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President Trump had some comments on the matter.

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This is not the announcement I wanted to make.

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Dennis Porter, one of our country's greatest assets, a tremendous mind, beautiful enthusiasm for Bitcoin,

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has been kidnapped by North Korea.

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Terrible situation. Disgraceful.

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And let me tell you, Melania, she's very upset, very disappointed.

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She said, Donald, who's going to tweet all those brilliant things now?

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Because she loves the tweets, maybe more than mine.

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We're going to work very hard, very fast to bring Dennis home.

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America needs him tweeting announcements again.

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We just subsidized Ozempic, and we can't subsidize Viagra as well.

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Many are speculating that Dennis' absence from Twitter ensures that a bear market has begun.

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Paper Bitcoin winter is looking like it's going to be a cold one, folks.

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Please pray for the safe return of Dennis.

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We desperately need an announcement.

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This is Buster Cherry signing off.

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Welcome, folks, to this edition of the Bugle Weekly.

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this is a special one.

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Unfortunately, Rod is not here today,

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but I have found somebody to join us.

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You know, we've been having a lot of shit coiners on this show,

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and I feel like it's time to bring it back to somebody who believes in,

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you know, monetary transactions only,

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has been the at the forefront of fighting the spam today joining me is bitcoin muck

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anik how's it going muck i'm doing well mate how are you oh you know we're getting into the

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holiday season it's getting cold outside uh seems like people are tired and you know grumpy

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uh but you know i'm having a good time i'm having a good time you know it's it's as if people have

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Maybe they've lost interest in saving Bitcoin, but I intend to capitalize on that grumpiness and get people back on track.

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Absolutely.

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Well, it's been an interesting week this week.

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We at The Bugle, we've unfortunately had a lot of conflict with, you know, one of your biggest advocates, Matthew Cratter.

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and uh you know ron palmer was doing some digging this week and he uh he found evidence that uh of

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nepotism of matthew cratter engaging in nepotism and sleeping his way to the top of uh peter

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thiel's hedge fund clarium i know you two are appear to be you know fairly close or at least

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you know on the same page about a lot of things that you're advocating for uh do you have any

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you know thoughts on that i can't speak to whether or not he actually slept the top but

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i look at his stature and his his place in bitcoin university and while he has been an ally of mine

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i i shudder to think of what he did to get there and maybe he did you know matt's an attractive man

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very suave. The ladies loved him. He's a chick magnet, and it's not nice to think that maybe

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him and Peter, maybe other rich and powerful men have gotten into things together in order for him

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to get to that accredited level with his Bitcoin University. But hopefully the rumors are not true.

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but you say you've discovered evidence so i just i just seek the truth you know do you think that um

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you know if this is true we're we have we're waiting for cratters uh comment on the story

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and i'm not sure if he will but if it's true do you think the pleb should still be giving him

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$790 in tuition to attend Bitcoin University,

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or do you think that they should get their education elsewhere?

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I think they should still attend.

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Now, that tuition is quite affordable in today's mostly Bitcoinized,

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hyper-Bitcoinized world.

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I imagine they have the funds to pay for such an esteemed education.

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and I'd say continue to subscribe and pay that tuition

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because education, it's...

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Ben Franklin said something about it,

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like the more you have, the better you are.

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I think that's what he said.

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So yeah, pay Crater.

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You know, he's doing good work over there.

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I've learned everything I know about the technicalities

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of the Bitcoin network from Bitcoin University,

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every last bit of it.

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I'm like a sponge

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I figured it was more you advising him

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because the way it appears to be

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is that you get your information from Luke

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and then you kind of go and disperse the information

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online on your podcast

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and you know in other areas on Twitter spaces or whatever

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and then Matthew Cratter

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you know gets this information from you

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but you you learn from Matthew is what you're saying well it's kind of a given a take and it

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may appear like we do coordinated sort of blitzes as far as what information he puts out or I put

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out but it's it's all actually decentralized you know it's we're just truth seekers trying to do

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what's right and what you know so I think it's it's a little bit of both you know we do talk

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privately. The group chat with Matt is quite explosive. There's always something fascinating

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going on, recent developments in Bitcoin. It's hard to say exactly who gets the credit,

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but who puts out what first. But it does generally go from Luke. He calls me and

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he sends me voice notes.

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He's quite mean to me, to be honest, in private.

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He accused me of stealing one of his books,

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a Bitcoin book.

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I denied it.

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It seemed like Matt was taking his side,

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and it was quite the issue internally for us,

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what people are calling Nazis.

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That's also hurtful.

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but it's hard to say exactly who's in charge i don't know do you find it hurtful to to be called

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a nazi i feel like in today's climate being called a nazi is a compliment it just means that you're

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handsome i have heard that they've said don't let it get to you you're handsome your beard you've got

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the mountain man aesthetic just so they bounce off reject you know the historical connotations

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to fascism, authoritarianism, and just let that go.

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Maybe they're right, but secretly, I think, deep down, I do like it.

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It feels powerful being called Nazi with a T They have a T Yeah I mean it does seem negative but ultimately I was just speaking with Guy Swan

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and he said that Bitcoin is the purest expression

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of distributed authoritarianism.

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And I felt that that was quite poignant.

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this whole nazism well it's definitely interesting it's got the plebs all uh

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tied up in knots they are very uh wound up and upset right now to say the least uh yes it does

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seem like we've created some confusion i mean ultimately it's worth it if we can get the fees

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higher for the pool i think it was all worth it yeah i don't know i mean it'll be interesting to

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See, I'm hoping that Matthew Crowder will give a response.

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Maybe there'll be some pressure from his students to get some answers there.

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Because he's very critical of others engaging in nepotism like Gloria.

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So tell me a little bit about your frustration with Gloria.

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Because, you know, she's pretty hot.

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I think a lot of it isn't warranted.

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Cordev should be able to have sex

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that they should be permitted to have sex

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and whether or not they consent

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whether or not Luke consents

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it is quite the quagmire of sex

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with Gloria I think for me

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it boils down to a sort of vague

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jealousy

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she works on Bitcoin

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does all sorts of

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to her but it's sort of like a love hate kind of thing and it's confusing because you know we've

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raised her up to be this sort of villain but secretly I mean deep down I actually I like her

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quite a lot so it's it's a struggle for me personally it's probably less of a struggle

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for Matthew Cratter no see Matt I think he really doesn't like her he he talks about her all the

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time he has it's like that episode of Always Sunny with Charlie and the board there's just

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lots of lots of articles that mention there he's got it all printed out you see it's it's like a

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investigatory wall of paranoia.

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And it's actually in one of the back rooms

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of Bitcoin University itself.

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It's an amazing campus,

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but I really do think he needs to chill

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on the whole Gloria thing

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because it makes me think

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that he also has a crush on her secretly,

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but it seems genuine,

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like he's truly angry with her.

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and her contributions to bitcoin many of them but i don't know it's hard to tell where matt's

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coming from he's a very secretive man i i just kind of assumed with him that he he actually was

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not he doesn't find her attractive because peter thiel types are more his type that he's attracted

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too but yes he he does seem to be more into into peter field types and i it's hard to tell i i

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think that he may have some antipathy towards gloria but i i mean maybe you know this could

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turn around i'm not sure if gloria is is single or not and maybe her and matt there's a future there

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there's been a lot of discussion around the price drop

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recently and what's caused it I you know I have my theory

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on it that there's something going

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on with Dennis Porter we're scrambling to try and figure out where he is

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and locate it and currently he has not

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recording on a Friday.

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tweeted

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in nine

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days, coming up on ten days.

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and I think I'm pretty confident

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he's not going to tweet today.

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It is quite unusual.

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He's normally quite the tweeter.

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definitely concerning. I mean,

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there's no breaking news. Maybe that's why.

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like it Dennis's absence impacts us all in various ways like for you he's been a staunch

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supporter of uh knots and what ocean's doing uh for us you know other individuals he he's worked

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tirelessly to protect our rights to use bitcoin I'm fearful that our rights aren't going to be

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protected in his absence.

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I think you're right.

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I think Dennis has been a stalwart supporter of our right to use Bitcoin and he single-handedly

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protects it.

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And I feel that when he supports us in our mission and without him, we'd be lost.

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You know, Dennis is truly the champion of our whole thing when it comes down to it.

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I shudder to think what it would be like without Dennis's staunch support.

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The breaking news, the alarm emojis, all caps,

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random potential Congress people in California.

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I mean, that was a big one.

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I was quite excited about that announcement.

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Changed the whole game, really.

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Yeah, a lot of people were giving him a hard time about it,

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but I think Dennis is...

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a kingmaker when it comes to politics and uh think he's on the trajectory of becoming the king

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himself i mean i'm hopeful that he's going to run for president in uh 2028 and i think he'll win

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it's probable if dennis becomes president porter in 2028 or maybe 2032 if i'm being honest but

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I think there's a chance that we could actually reverse the changes

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that have come about with Core V30.

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I think as president, he can probably initiate,

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maybe make not the official U.S. Bitcoin implementation.

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I mean, I might be dreaming, but it's possible.

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So do you think that Bitcoin implementations,

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the government's stance on it should be determined through legislation or through executive order

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what do you think that that process should look like going forward in the future well executive

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orders legislation that those things can work but i think it really needs to be based on the

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will of the plebs and you can find that on twitter you just scroll around and you'll see that people

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you know, American citizens are clearly in support of our mission.

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And while lols might be the way to go,

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I think it's more the rough consensus of what people on Twitter think

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and also how loudly they clap at Bitcoin events,

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such as Logano in Switzerland.

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I mean, my ego was just out of control after that.

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did you hear how loudly they were clapping for me i did i it but they they put a laugh track or

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sorry a clap track and instructed the audience to clap for you so i don know if that really a way to determine consensus enhancement but the actual clapping was quite profound well they didn have instructions to

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clap when peter todd was talking which i think is kind of unfair well he already got credit with the

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hbo documentary so i think in the minds of the plebs you know he's already gotten plenty of

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attention and it was really my star was rising at that point and i think that translated to more

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applause for me yeah peter peter todd's a very uh you know satoshi is a very controversial figure

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in bitcoin he's an enemy of bitcoin i'll just come out and say it i mean why do you why do you

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think that is why why do you think he's had this arc where he went from the creator of bitcoin

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to an enemy of Bitcoin?

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It's quite simple.

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I mean, Peter is concerned with the technology

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and how it works and the realities of it

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from an objective sort of viewpoint.

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But, I mean, you and I both know

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that it's actually about the community.

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It's not so much technology.

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Bitcoin is all of us.

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and that's what has made him into a super villain of Bitcoin.

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And it's quite sad to see him go down this road

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when I thought maybe he would run knots and line to Ocean.

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He's been very critical of Ocean as far as the time value of money

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and the payout system of it.

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It's just, it makes me sad, you know?

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I don't want to hear criticism, I just want support.

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So how do you suggest that people gauge what the plebs, what the users of Bitcoin want?

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What's the best way to do that?

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Well, I mean, Elon Musk has said that Twitter is the town square.

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So I think we need to put aside, you know, economic incentives and how it all really plays out in the real world.

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put all that aside and just go off the longest,

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most well put Twitter posts.

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And that it really,

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also how many likes they have,

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how many followers they have,

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those sort of things.

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It tends to clear it all up pretty quickly for me anyway.

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I mean,

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Bitcoin is money.

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If people are doing things with it that we,

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the community don't like,

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I mean,

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that's against Bitcoin.

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so it's it's quite simple interesting yeah i mean it's hard to say what people really want i think

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i think you just have to go with whatever their virtue signaling about whatever they say

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that's probably what they actually mean so that's that's what i do so yeah i mean how much do you

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think this core v30 update has impacted the price? Has this been the biggest driver of?

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Actually, it's the number one driver of global liquidity, the macroeconomic outlook as far as

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recession odds. I mean, every analyst that I know, you ask them about, is Bitcoin a risk on,

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or risk-off asset as far as its price

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and relative to other commodities or precious metals.

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And immediately, each of them, they bring up, well, V30.

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And it's quite concerning.

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I mean, I think it's the number one driver

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of the future bear market in Bitcoin.

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That's why I've sold all of mine.

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I don't hold Bitcoin anymore.

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I don't think it's what it used to be.

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I think these massive changes to the protocol itself

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through cause software, as I understand it,

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is what's causing this dip.

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So if you sold Bitcoin, what else is there to own

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other than Bitcoin?

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I'm thinking RTX, maybe Lockheed, potentially Netflix.

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I like Netflix.

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So it's defense companies and entertainment for me

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are the two sectors I think.

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really have a great future.

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Maybe healthcare, UnitedHealth, maybe.

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Or I'm thinking private prison stocks.

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There's something about incarceration

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that I think has a bright future as far as investment.

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Since Bitcoin, it's been tough.

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I have to consider earnings and support and resistance

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and all these metrics that I didn't quite understand before Call v30.

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If the state starts prosecuting people for having CSAM on their nodes,

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I think owning private prison stock is probably a safe investment.

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It's foolish.

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Exactly.

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That's my thoughts exactly, that, you know,

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if we're putting node runners in prison for what they've done

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and what they've allowed onto their machines.

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So I think it's only fair that we buy our private prison ETFs.

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So, you know, I've heard contradicting legal theories

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on the government prosecuting node runners.

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Sasha Hodder came out.

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She's a lawyer.

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She's a listener to the show.

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She's pretty hot.

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Enemy of Bitcoin.

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Why do you say that?

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um well first of all she's a woman and that makes me skeptical it's that might sound unfair but

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also her name is Sasha which makes me think maybe she works for the Russians

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and I'm quite paranoid about that um and the video she made it got quite a bit of traction and

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I think she's got something to hide maybe on her node interesting so you just like do you not like

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women interacting with Bitcoin in general, or is it only hot women?

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It's not all women.

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It's just that they make me afraid.

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I feel inadequate when they talk about Bitcoin.

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Because to me, it's not about the technology.

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All the women they did, they just want to talk about the technology.

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I'm just interested in the community.

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So it's a conflict for me.

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So what are your thoughts on Natalie Brunel?

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Natalie Brunel, she is not an enemy of Bitcoin.

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She's actually, she runs Nots.

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She points her compass mining machines to Ocean.

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She's a big supporter, believe it or not.

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I haven't seen her.

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I didn't notice that she runs Nots, so she's an advocate for Nots.

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She's in the closet.

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She doesn't want to come out openly about it.

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She's a secret Nots person, which might be surprising.

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but we convinced her in Logano.

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We said, look, you either run knots

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or you see what happened with Gloria, right?

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So I think she made the right choice.

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But wouldn't you kind of classify that

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as tacitly supporting attacks on Bitcoin

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if she's silent about it,

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if she's not a vocal promoter or supporter?

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Yes, we're working on that.

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We wanted to have a full podcast with me

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and Luke, Jason Hughes and Bob Burnett,

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all of us there to just celebrate

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knots and notion and datum.

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And I think it could happen.

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Maybe within the next couple of weeks,

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we'll do a round table.

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It's how we save Bitcoin, I think, in the long run.

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Well, I know that the plebs have wanted you and Luke

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to go on CoinStories for a while.

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There was that one pleb that wrote that open letter to Natalie pleading with her to have you on Yes that was so exciting to read that people are so passionate and and wanting us to to be there to spread the good news and i in full support of comments

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like that no matter how desperate they might sound sort of deranged i think those sort of

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comments go a long way so i don't know i mean what do you what do you see for the the price

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happening is is it all downwards up until uh fork activation sometime maybe in q1 of next year

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well doesn't the fork i think september is the deadline now it's been pushed back

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from february so i expect the bottom to be somewhere around uh august to september and

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then we go up from there as we fix bitcoin and save it so does that mean that there's not going

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be a paper bitcoin summer it'll be a muted paper bitcoin so it'll be you know the treasury companies

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will be quite beleaguered some of them will run knots and they'll survive but i think it will be

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quite a different summer it will be an exit of a bear market summer where everyone realizes that

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The mission is to save Bitcoin and that means higher prices.

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So it's not all bleak and terrible and I will be buying back, I think, once we fix it.

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And by fix it, I mean like once we get what we want and we can impose that on others, then I will buy back it.

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Well, I think if that's the case, we don't really have any choice but to filter.

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I think everybody's in agreement that NGU is important.

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It's the most important metric.

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So ultimately, everyone will filter.

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I think it's inevitable.

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How do you convince people that

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the reason we're not experiencing

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NGU is spam and not other

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factors like Dennis Porter

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being missing or

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just the general macro environment

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interest rates

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you know other things

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Well what you do is you start

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with an emotional trigger

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something upsetting

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you tell them that

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People doing things that you may not like on Bitcoin is what's causing the price to go down.

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And then you offer them, you know, at the end of the tunnel, say, here's a solution to make the price go back up.

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And it generally works, you know, appeal to emotion and then solution.

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And it tends to work.

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I mean, people eat it up.

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there's lots of people that aren't convinced and they make fun of us and they they say all sorts of

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mean things and they're just enemies of bitcoin when it really comes down to it you you name

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peter todd who are some of the biggest enemies of bitcoin do you think shinobi is number one uh he

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by what I've seen on Twitter,

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he appears to be the number one enemy of Bitcoin.

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I've actually heard a rumor that it's just a rumor,

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but apparently he wants to convince

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the Bitcoin bar in New York City, PubKey,

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he's going to convince them to accept Ethereum

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in order to support Bitcoin Core.

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And I just, I'm disgusted by it personally.

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I think accepting Ethereum to support Bitcoin Core, it doesn't make sense.

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But, you know, you can't stop what others are going to do ultimately.

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When I think of enemies of Bitcoin, he's up there.

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He called me retarded.

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I just, I don't know what to do about it.

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Another one would be, let's see, Stefan Levera.

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He's definitely an enemy of Bitcoin.

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You know, that panel in Logano, he was quite testy with me.

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He didn't necessarily believe everything I was saying,

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and it was quite difficult to deal with that contention.

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I don't think the plebs were clapping for him, huh?

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No, just for me. It was all for me.

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You were able to get Shinobi to resign as a core maintainer.

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It was up to you, yeah.

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But seeing him step down as a maintainer of core was,

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people were very pleased about that.

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And I think it's just one small victory in the spam war.

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We'll have many more victories, but him stepping down,

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it was a day I'll never forget.

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How did that play out?

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How did you convince Shinobi to step down?

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Just pure brute force pressure on Twitter.

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You know, he said he couldn't take it anymore.

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We were just being mean to him, saying we're not retarded, you're retarded.

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And that seemed to do the trick after enough attrition, enough posts.

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He finally capitulated and saw reason.

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You know, maybe he's not an enemy of Bitcoin.

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That's what I'm coming around to, but I'm just not sure.

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We're just glad that he has stepped down.

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That's my statement on the matter.

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so essentially you got them to step down by just saying no you it worked yeah and believe it or not

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it's that simple in bitcoin just social pressure and it tends to do the trick

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you think social pressure is an effective way to

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is that the future of bitcoin development is that what it takes the only it's all about the

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community and if we can make someone feel as if they're not, you know, they're not cool

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with the community, then yeah, I mean, economic incentives be damned.

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They'll do what we want.

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And I think that's how Bitcoin is supposed to work.

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It's a beautiful system, social pressure.

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Do you see any downsides of that?

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No.

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I mean, what do you, maybe.

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I think certain people might see that

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and go, you're being a bit rash

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you're being a bit harsh to people

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but I mean, the mission is clear

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we've got to save Bitcoin

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so any means to do that

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I think are justified

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Well, when you spin up a mob of angry plebs

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they might eventually come back after you

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we've seen this happen over and over again

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with other groups

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like uh cory and the swans for example the plebs were real hot on him for a while

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and then they turned on him yeah they drank the swan pond so to speak

447
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i mean yeah that's that's a valid point you know i don't really think that far ahead

448
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to me i'm just in service of our mission and if it backfires at some point

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people stop making fun of us relentlessly and we can't get our fork through because we can't

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convince miners that they're policemen that must do as we want.

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I think it could present a future problem,

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but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

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It's all about saving Bitcoin today.

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So one of the biggest issues that I've had with the spam topic in general

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and with the discussion of the state coming in and regulating nodes

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is I think many members of the state are actually users and fans of CSAM.

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So, you know, recently there's been some discussion,

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some attempts to release the Epstein files.

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We're letting it.

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many powerful people are CCAM producers or supporters in various ways.

461
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You know, that's a good point.

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I think it's probably true that the government is quite in favor of these type of things.

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And that's why with Dennis and his work, I think we can convince them to switch to nots.

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These things will no longer be permitted.

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And you've got to fight evil where it's at.

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I think that might be the way to do it.

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Well, I think I've heard Luke say this, that his stance is he believes that a nation state is going to be the one uploading the CSAM to the blockchain as an attack on Bitcoin.

468
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They're going to be the perpetrators of the attack.

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And so this attempt with the filters is kind of a preemptive effort to prevent the state from doing that, from preventing the Epstein list from turning Bitcoin into decentralized file storage for their CSAM.

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I think so.

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That's what we don't want to happen.

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I mean, ultimately,

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just not only that content itself being bad,

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00:34:37,976 --> 00:34:43,196
I think if Bitcoin is rebranded,

475
00:34:43,616 --> 00:34:46,956
you poison the brand with calling it file storage.

476
00:34:47,496 --> 00:34:50,256
It conjures images of filing cabinets

477
00:34:50,256 --> 00:34:52,276
and stacks of paper.

478
00:34:53,096 --> 00:34:54,576
It's just not cool.

479
00:34:54,976 --> 00:34:56,536
It's much better to be

480
00:34:57,536 --> 00:35:06,236
permissionless money that no one can talk with i think making it file storage especially for bad

481
00:35:06,236 --> 00:35:12,636
things is is a mistake and whether or not the state is the perpetrator behind this in the future

482
00:35:12,636 --> 00:35:21,636
it's just not a good look overall so run knots i i had a you know conversation with paul stork

483
00:35:21,636 --> 00:35:27,416
or paul sports the other day and there may have been but yes sorry go ahead well one of the

484
00:35:27,416 --> 00:35:36,136
One of the things he pointed out was this reality that transaction data are files stored on the Bitcoin blockchain.

485
00:35:36,316 --> 00:35:42,176
So Bitcoin is file storage by default, even when people are using it as money.

486
00:35:42,716 --> 00:35:52,416
So don't you think it's a misnomer to or just it's incorrect terminology to say that Bitcoin is not file storage?

487
00:35:52,416 --> 00:35:59,196
I think that's technically correct, but ultimately I'm just concerned with the community beliefs.

488
00:35:59,696 --> 00:36:05,216
So these, you know, technical realities, I don't pay any attention to.

489
00:36:05,616 --> 00:36:14,836
I think the blocks that are filled with data, I just, I put that out of my mind and I think that's money.

490
00:36:15,576 --> 00:36:17,636
You know, and it's much easier.

491
00:36:18,496 --> 00:36:20,656
It's soothing to me on some level.

492
00:36:20,656 --> 00:36:27,736
And Paul, with his BIP-300, what he proved was that he can't be trusted.

493
00:36:28,356 --> 00:36:30,516
You know, he crossed the line.

494
00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:35,956
And if he believes it's data, you know, maybe it is.

495
00:36:36,816 --> 00:36:42,176
But I won't have any part of whatever Mr. Stork is saying.

496
00:36:42,356 --> 00:36:46,736
And also just the name Stork, I think about the classic films

497
00:36:46,736 --> 00:36:54,836
with the stocks delivering babies and it's just not a good look for bitcoin i think well um

498
00:36:54,836 --> 00:37:01,156
yeah i think uh you got a good perspective on the on the fork talk and you know filters as a whole

499
00:37:01,156 --> 00:37:08,756
i'm curious on your thoughts so i was listening to uh some james corbett this week and uh he

500
00:37:08,756 --> 00:37:21,116
mentioned that in a recent book that came out about prince andrew the author in the initial

501
00:37:21,116 --> 00:37:28,236
running of the book had a tidbit where he had uncovered information that uh melania trump had a

502
00:37:28,236 --> 00:37:35,736
intimate relationship with jeffrey epstein before meeting uh donald trump

503
00:37:35,736 --> 00:37:39,836
in that the Trump family got upset

504
00:37:39,836 --> 00:37:42,596
and the publisher pulled that from the book.

505
00:37:43,756 --> 00:37:45,416
Do you have any thoughts on that?

506
00:37:45,816 --> 00:37:47,676
You know, it's all coming together now.

507
00:37:47,856 --> 00:37:51,756
Maybe with Epstein's funding of Bitcoin Core,

508
00:37:52,836 --> 00:37:54,576
the potential is all there.

509
00:37:54,876 --> 00:37:58,476
Maybe that's what got Melania to launch her coin.

510
00:37:59,396 --> 00:38:00,596
She learned it from him,

511
00:38:00,596 --> 00:38:05,256
and it's just one horrible nexus of shitcoiners, really,

512
00:38:05,256 --> 00:38:06,376
when you get down to it.

513
00:38:06,476 --> 00:38:09,536
I think it's very possible that that's true.

514
00:38:09,976 --> 00:38:13,956
So, you know, with Epstein's funding of Bitcoin Core,

515
00:38:14,176 --> 00:38:16,036
I think he funded a lot of things.

516
00:38:16,196 --> 00:38:19,256
I don't think it's really anything too damning.

517
00:38:21,816 --> 00:38:25,936
But do you think he was a friend or enemy of Bitcoin, ultimately?

518
00:38:26,796 --> 00:38:30,076
Enemy of Bitcoin, but convinced lots of people

519
00:38:30,076 --> 00:38:31,956
that he was a friend of Bitcoin.

520
00:38:31,956 --> 00:38:35,756
So it's like a mask on, mask off sort of thing.

521
00:38:36,256 --> 00:38:39,916
You know, it's hard to say exactly where he was coming from.

522
00:38:40,116 --> 00:38:46,116
You know, the transhumanism and the creating clones of himself.

523
00:38:46,356 --> 00:38:48,756
I mean, that's well known.

524
00:38:49,056 --> 00:38:57,416
And I think he was a big fan of Bitcoin, but probably an enemy of it, ultimately.

525
00:38:57,416 --> 00:39:02,496
Yeah, he didn't like Bitcoin being seen as money.

526
00:39:02,656 --> 00:39:05,256
He had very similar perspectives as Michael Saylor.

527
00:39:05,876 --> 00:39:08,256
He thought Bitcoin was more a store of value.

528
00:39:10,236 --> 00:39:15,876
I'm curious, just your general thoughts on Saylor.

529
00:39:16,636 --> 00:39:17,896
Saylor's great in my book.

530
00:39:18,116 --> 00:39:23,096
He did a little video and said we need to stop the corrupt devs from destroying it.

531
00:39:23,976 --> 00:39:26,656
And it was like the Super Bowl for me.

532
00:39:26,656 --> 00:39:31,216
I watched that and I was like, Michael, he's on the team.

533
00:39:31,636 --> 00:39:34,876
It was just, he was so great to know that, you know,

534
00:39:34,916 --> 00:39:40,796
a company that has more than half a million Bitcoins within U.S. jurisdiction

535
00:39:40,796 --> 00:39:43,776
and is just doing so much for Bitcoin.

536
00:39:44,176 --> 00:39:48,336
And I think it's just a great thing to know that Michael's on the team.

537
00:39:49,356 --> 00:39:51,436
Yeah, but he doesn't believe that Bitcoin's money,

538
00:39:51,536 --> 00:39:55,456
which is kind of contradictory to your point and perspective, right?

539
00:39:55,456 --> 00:40:02,556
oh yes it's quite an issue we're trying to bring him on board we said michael you've got to start

540
00:40:02,556 --> 00:40:09,456
calling it money you know enough with this thousand years of a crystal ship in space all that stuff is

541
00:40:09,456 --> 00:40:15,896
great but just simplify it for the plebs you've got you've got to go down to their level you know

542
00:40:15,896 --> 00:40:23,196
and he gets it you know he has a very cynical condescending sort of view of not only his

543
00:40:23,196 --> 00:40:30,936
shareholders but of bitcoiners in general so i think i think he'll come around what do you mean

544
00:40:30,936 --> 00:40:37,936
you'll see it weeks from now he'll be posting bitcoin is money it's not file storage he'll

545
00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:43,476
crash out a little bit but it'll be good ultimately what do you mean by his cynical

546
00:40:43,476 --> 00:41:06,734
view of bitcoin users um i think i think that michael sadly you know he not married he a single man He older He a billionaire And I think as far as the mission of Bitcoin you know perfect beautiful money

547
00:41:07,454 --> 00:41:09,894
I think he doesn't like it.

548
00:41:10,034 --> 00:41:12,174
I think he just sees digital capital.

549
00:41:12,574 --> 00:41:17,294
You know, he sees soothing tie, orange tie, golf course.

550
00:41:17,294 --> 00:41:23,454
he's not thinking i mean he's put it into words too he said like if you're some sort of

551
00:41:24,634 --> 00:41:30,514
anarcho-capitalist and thinking this system was a way to separate yourself from it i mean

552
00:41:30,514 --> 00:41:38,574
he's put it out there so well i guess we are opposed in that respect but i think eventually

553
00:41:38,574 --> 00:41:47,114
he will realize that he's wrong and he'll come around to how Luke, mechanic, and I think

554
00:41:47,114 --> 00:41:48,414
it could work out.

555
00:41:48,954 --> 00:41:51,474
You know, we're doing what we can to get him on our side.

556
00:41:51,994 --> 00:41:53,334
So he's kind of like a neutral character.

557
00:41:53,534 --> 00:41:56,954
He's not necessarily an enemy of Bitcoin despite.

558
00:41:58,134 --> 00:41:58,474
Right.

559
00:41:58,814 --> 00:42:00,054
Not an enemy yet.

560
00:42:02,574 --> 00:42:04,174
But I think he's doing great.

561
00:42:04,354 --> 00:42:06,434
I think he's a supporter of Bitcoin.

562
00:42:06,434 --> 00:42:15,194
You know, he's contributed so much to the Peer-to-Peer Rights Foundation and other groups that support developers.

563
00:42:15,414 --> 00:42:18,114
I think he's a good guy.

564
00:42:18,814 --> 00:42:19,134
Yeah, I don't know.

565
00:42:19,214 --> 00:42:24,574
I mean, are there any news stories that you think are kind of important to cover for this week?

566
00:42:24,654 --> 00:42:34,674
I know I heard you talking about on Guy Swan's podcast that there's going to be some big announcements, some big developments next week that you're excited about.

567
00:42:34,674 --> 00:42:41,574
yes yes it will be a big deal it's it's going to be breaking i'm excited to share it with the

568
00:42:41,574 --> 00:42:48,954
community i think it will turn heads people will be like he said what it will just it will get so

569
00:42:48,954 --> 00:42:55,554
many likes i probably will have to block a couple people in the comment section now sadly after that

570
00:42:55,554 --> 00:43:04,394
announcement but you know par for the course it is a big deal though just you wait you'll see it's

571
00:43:04,394 --> 00:43:15,154
It's the biggest news in Bitcoin since, I'm going to say it, since the launch of Ocean and the ETF with the SEC.

572
00:43:15,474 --> 00:43:16,854
I think it's a big deal.

573
00:43:17,194 --> 00:43:23,354
Does it have what it takes to replace the absence of a Dennis Porter announcement?

574
00:43:23,614 --> 00:43:24,194
I think so.

575
00:43:24,314 --> 00:43:27,454
I think this is why Dennis has been building this suspense.

576
00:43:27,454 --> 00:43:33,814
he knows about the announcement and he thinks if I make an announcement and they're going to make

577
00:43:33,814 --> 00:43:39,234
an announcement and we have this crossing of the streams of potential announcements you know that

578
00:43:39,234 --> 00:43:44,894
it confuses the plebs you want to build suspense for one announcement at a time

579
00:43:44,894 --> 00:43:51,754
focus their energy onto one announcement and I think I think we agree on this

580
00:43:51,754 --> 00:43:54,814
is Dennis going to come back to make this announcement?

581
00:43:56,094 --> 00:43:56,974
Oh, he'll be back.

582
00:43:57,314 --> 00:43:57,874
He'll be back.

583
00:43:57,974 --> 00:43:58,254
All right.

584
00:43:58,554 --> 00:44:00,014
After our announcement,

585
00:44:00,234 --> 00:44:05,334
what he'll do is he'll take that announcement and piggyback his next

586
00:44:05,334 --> 00:44:07,734
announcement to kind of keep the momentum going.

587
00:44:08,394 --> 00:44:09,834
I think that's the plan.

588
00:44:10,214 --> 00:44:11,954
It'll be, it'll be a lesser announcement.

589
00:44:11,954 --> 00:44:14,954
You know, there'll be our big gargantuan,

590
00:44:15,194 --> 00:44:16,154
beautiful announcement.

591
00:44:16,694 --> 00:44:20,934
And then his announcement will be like kind of a letdown,

592
00:44:20,934 --> 00:44:23,174
but also quite exciting.

593
00:44:24,154 --> 00:44:25,974
And, you know, he's a master of that.

594
00:44:26,434 --> 00:44:27,514
That's a pretty bold statement.

595
00:44:27,754 --> 00:44:31,294
I can't imagine that you could have a bigger announcement than Dennis.

596
00:44:32,434 --> 00:44:33,454
I'm skeptical.

597
00:44:34,614 --> 00:44:35,514
You better believe it.

598
00:44:36,214 --> 00:44:41,554
I mean, I didn't believe it either when behind the scenes,

599
00:44:41,554 --> 00:44:44,714
some of the things I've been told about this announcement,

600
00:44:44,934 --> 00:44:50,254
I mean, it will make every single one of Dennis's announcements look small

601
00:44:50,254 --> 00:44:51,754
in comparison to the,

602
00:44:52,194 --> 00:44:53,834
you could take all of his announcements

603
00:44:53,834 --> 00:44:59,034
and bundle them into one super announcement

604
00:44:59,034 --> 00:45:03,314
and this one will be a hundred times more effective

605
00:45:03,314 --> 00:45:07,114
at getting Bitcoin adopted by the world, I think.

606
00:45:07,914 --> 00:45:09,854
I know it's a large claim, it's a lot,

607
00:45:09,854 --> 00:45:15,234
but I think it will be the biggest announcement ever.

608
00:45:16,594 --> 00:45:19,154
Well, I'm going to be waiting by

609
00:45:19,154 --> 00:45:24,674
with the anticipation for that well one of the things that we do at the end of the show

610
00:45:24,674 --> 00:45:33,654
is uh we go through we read the fountain booze for the week prior uh last week we discussed uh

611
00:45:33,654 --> 00:45:40,154
thanksgiving i know you're up in canada you don't celebrate american thanksgiving you

612
00:45:40,154 --> 00:45:47,574
celebrate canadian thanksgiving which is a different date uh but with with all the political

613
00:45:47,574 --> 00:45:54,554
division i know you've you've taken a very strong political stance uh you have any family members

614
00:45:54,554 --> 00:46:03,274
that are core supporters or enemies of bitcoin that makes the holidays contentious oh yes at

615
00:46:03,274 --> 00:46:11,954
the dinner table i'll be pointing at my cousin i'll say you are an enemy of bitcoin and he's he's so

616
00:46:11,954 --> 00:46:17,954
difficult with me he's like i'm not an enemy of bitcoin and i'm like yes you are and it's

617
00:46:17,954 --> 00:46:23,754
it's been a problem now for two years i think it will probably be a problem next year

618
00:46:23,754 --> 00:46:31,074
but you know that's the mission we're on it's tearing families apart so it is quite a problem

619
00:46:31,074 --> 00:46:37,654
it wasn't even a discussion around thanksgiving for my family nobody even knew what was going on

620
00:46:37,654 --> 00:46:40,914
Now, they didn't know about this whole issue.

621
00:46:41,314 --> 00:46:46,754
Yeah, if you don't know about the issue, if you're not engaged in the conversation, does that make you an enemy of Bitcoin?

622
00:46:47,174 --> 00:46:49,014
I think so, just by default.

623
00:46:50,174 --> 00:46:55,674
But that's like if a tree falls in the woods, does anyone hear it?

624
00:46:55,734 --> 00:47:00,354
I mean, if you don't even know you're an enemy of Bitcoin, can you actually be one?

625
00:47:00,454 --> 00:47:04,474
And I tend to think yes, I err on the side of caution there.

626
00:47:04,474 --> 00:47:10,514
You know, I do have a level of self-awareness and I consider maybe I am an enemy of Bitcoin.

627
00:47:10,874 --> 00:47:12,854
Maybe you are an enemy of Bitcoin.

628
00:47:13,214 --> 00:47:22,894
It's an ever-evolving sort of litmus you must do in order to deduce if you're an enemy or not.

629
00:47:23,394 --> 00:47:25,674
And I struggle with that.

630
00:47:25,674 --> 00:47:34,154
You know, all my family members, the one thing they did agree upon is they're tired of me every turn.

631
00:47:34,474 --> 00:47:39,134
You know, they're talking about their job and their life and what they'd like to accomplish.

632
00:47:39,614 --> 00:47:43,054
And I just can't stop talking about the spam on Bitcoin.

633
00:47:43,894 --> 00:47:47,834
And it's something I've got to work on, you know, I'm trying.

634
00:47:48,214 --> 00:47:50,914
Yeah, it's hard when you're excited about something.

635
00:47:52,534 --> 00:47:53,974
But it is.

636
00:47:53,974 --> 00:48:03,434
anyways uh so our first boost from fundamentals for 10 101 sats he says thankful for the bugle

637
00:48:03,434 --> 00:48:08,754
so i'm just i i appreciate you doing this interview i feel like we've been

638
00:48:08,754 --> 00:48:16,694
you you actually blocked me on twitter for calling you pleb slop so i'm just curious are

639
00:48:16,694 --> 00:48:22,254
you thankful for the bugle or do you see us as uh enemies of bitcoin i'll put it this way

640
00:48:22,254 --> 00:48:38,732
I am thankful for certain enemies of Bitcoin and that includes the people because I think journalists they have a place Even if they are enemies of Bitcoin and they spread misinformation or disinformation

641
00:48:38,732 --> 00:48:45,012
I think ultimately the plebs decide and they run the show.

642
00:48:45,592 --> 00:48:49,892
So it all works out in the end eventually.

643
00:48:49,892 --> 00:48:54,832
I think now that you've brought it up that I've blocked you,

644
00:48:55,532 --> 00:48:58,532
it makes me want to say that I'll unblock you,

645
00:48:58,712 --> 00:49:00,172
but I'm going to have to think about it

646
00:49:00,172 --> 00:49:03,812
because when it comes to potential enemies of Bitcoin,

647
00:49:04,492 --> 00:49:06,672
I'm kind of like McCarthy about it.

648
00:49:06,832 --> 00:49:07,892
You know, I make lists.

649
00:49:08,192 --> 00:49:08,972
I check them twice.

650
00:49:09,992 --> 00:49:12,232
So I'll think about that.

651
00:49:13,592 --> 00:49:15,972
If you're like McCarthy, does that mean you're a closet gay?

652
00:49:18,272 --> 00:49:18,752
No.

653
00:49:18,752 --> 00:49:21,392
No, and I do not have a crush on Gloria.

654
00:49:22,052 --> 00:49:24,872
And it's not that.

655
00:49:25,192 --> 00:49:25,712
I'm not gay.

656
00:49:26,332 --> 00:49:27,352
Neither is Matt Cratter.

657
00:49:27,552 --> 00:49:35,112
I know you were potentially suggesting that with his moving up Bitcoin University in Clarion,

658
00:49:35,232 --> 00:49:37,052
but he's not gay either.

659
00:49:38,232 --> 00:49:38,912
None of us are gay.

660
00:49:39,472 --> 00:49:41,352
It's only gay if you enjoy it, right?

661
00:49:41,752 --> 00:49:46,032
Like he may have slipped his way to the top with Peter Thiel, but maybe he didn't enjoy the process.

662
00:49:46,272 --> 00:49:47,992
He just enjoyed the benefits of doing it.

663
00:49:47,992 --> 00:49:57,112
yeah it's very possible it's not gay then um all right well thank you for the boost fundamentals

664
00:49:57,112 --> 00:50:05,492
next boost from late stage huddle six thousand and six sats which spells boob says uh i can't

665
00:50:05,492 --> 00:50:10,492
believe i forgot to boost again hope you all had a great thanksgiving dick greaser is married anyway

666
00:50:10,492 --> 00:50:15,432
i've been listening to link park lately i guess mariah carey is coming up soon

667
00:50:15,432 --> 00:50:21,692
keep up the good work boys you know i i posted my spotify rap

668
00:50:21,692 --> 00:50:28,052
and uh i had a lincoln park song is the number two most listened song this year

669
00:50:28,052 --> 00:50:36,592
lincoln park i think lincoln park is great i think every core developer needs to listen to

670
00:50:36,592 --> 00:50:44,392
that lincoln park song what i've done and they just need to play it on repeat and then maybe in

671
00:50:44,392 --> 00:50:46,412
In the end, they listened to that one.

672
00:50:47,192 --> 00:50:53,352
Yeah, I figured Bitcoin plebs would like Linkin Park a bit

673
00:50:53,352 --> 00:50:57,572
because recently there's been a lot of support

674
00:50:57,572 --> 00:51:04,052
of high-profile Scientologists by Bitcoiners.

675
00:51:04,132 --> 00:51:06,172
You got the Cardone brothers running around.

676
00:51:06,852 --> 00:51:07,672
They're great.

677
00:51:07,672 --> 00:51:10,412
They know so much about the community in Bitcoin.

678
00:51:10,712 --> 00:51:12,352
They're incredible educators.

679
00:51:12,352 --> 00:51:18,572
Yeah, I think the lead singer of Linkin Park now, she's a Scientologist, if I remember correctly.

680
00:51:18,792 --> 00:51:19,352
Emily Armstrong.

681
00:51:19,732 --> 00:51:21,352
You know, I'm a big fan of Scientology.

682
00:51:22,132 --> 00:51:23,812
I think it's a wonderful community.

683
00:51:24,432 --> 00:51:25,632
Lots of great work there.

684
00:51:26,432 --> 00:51:33,152
And the fact that they were able to gain tax-exempt status, that means they're not enemies of Bitcoin.

685
00:51:33,672 --> 00:51:36,532
You know, it's their real deal church now.

686
00:51:36,732 --> 00:51:39,852
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if the plebs listen to more Linkin Park this year.

687
00:51:39,852 --> 00:51:46,072
there's a lot of people that hate on linkin park uh there's that one twitter user linkin park rules

688
00:51:46,072 --> 00:51:52,772
big fan of him but uh yeah it's interesting uh

689
00:51:52,772 --> 00:51:56,772
keep on listening to linkin park late stage

690
00:51:56,772 --> 00:52:03,572
i used to talk about my wife a lot more on this show in the earlier days i haven't talked about

691
00:52:03,572 --> 00:52:12,652
as much recently but yeah uh next boost from bulba 1001 sat says i need therapy i absolutely

692
00:52:12,652 --> 00:52:19,772
understand nothing wait that's a breakthrough fuck the therapy i'm cured thanks but i ain't

693
00:52:19,772 --> 00:52:24,932
sure for what just the same um

694
00:52:24,932 --> 00:52:34,992
yeah i mean with these guys that are enemies of bitcoin do you think they need therapy or

695
00:52:34,992 --> 00:52:42,032
how can they be helped is there any helping them potentially i think that they can be helped they

696
00:52:42,032 --> 00:52:48,712
can come to realize that they're enemies of bitcoin and turn it around therapy might help

697
00:52:48,712 --> 00:52:54,432
i've talked to matt about this he's going to open up a branch of bitcoin university

698
00:52:54,432 --> 00:52:57,492
for people who need mental health days.

699
00:52:58,272 --> 00:53:03,652
And basically students or non-students can go and seek treatment

700
00:53:03,652 --> 00:53:07,152
for their current status as enemies of Bitcoin.

701
00:53:08,052 --> 00:53:16,632
So the model is you pay $790 to get taught how not to be an enemy of Bitcoin?

702
00:53:18,152 --> 00:53:19,552
Well, that'd be part of it.

703
00:53:19,632 --> 00:53:22,712
That'd be like an extension of the regular education.

704
00:53:22,712 --> 00:53:32,292
you'd also be able to go to therapy to sort of no longer be an enemy of Bitcoin.

705
00:53:32,292 --> 00:53:36,152
You have to come to understand what made you an enemy of Bitcoin,

706
00:53:36,492 --> 00:53:40,112
and then from there, you know, get in understanding.

707
00:53:44,672 --> 00:53:46,732
Well, I don't think Bob is an enemy of Bitcoin.

708
00:53:46,892 --> 00:53:47,932
I don't think he needs therapy.

709
00:53:48,572 --> 00:53:49,392
Appreciate the boost.

710
00:53:49,392 --> 00:53:56,092
then here here's someone you labeled in this episode an enemy of bitcoin boost from sasha

711
00:53:56,092 --> 00:54:03,272
hotter 500 sets is great show right you've got to consolidate those sats into an address that is

712
00:54:03,272 --> 00:54:11,932
is separate i just i think that would be a good idea because i mean clear enemy of bitcoin so do

713
00:54:11,932 --> 00:54:20,652
Do you think a podcaster should find a way to filter Fountain boosts from individuals that are enemies of Bitcoin?

714
00:54:22,592 --> 00:54:23,152
Potentially.

715
00:54:23,632 --> 00:54:24,752
I wouldn't rule it out.

716
00:54:25,292 --> 00:54:27,352
You know, Datham has suggested that to me.

717
00:54:28,152 --> 00:54:29,892
Ways to fix and save Fountain.

718
00:54:30,472 --> 00:54:33,032
So we're working on it.

719
00:54:33,752 --> 00:54:36,572
What are Datham's thoughts on that?

720
00:54:36,572 --> 00:54:40,952
Does Fountain need more vibe coding?

721
00:54:41,712 --> 00:54:41,852
Yeah.

722
00:54:41,932 --> 00:54:42,592
I think so.

723
00:54:43,032 --> 00:54:44,592
More vibes, better vibes.

724
00:54:45,672 --> 00:54:47,772
Money, Bitcoin is money vibes.

725
00:54:47,932 --> 00:54:49,612
I think that would turn things around.

726
00:54:50,892 --> 00:54:54,452
You know, Dathan, people don't know it, but he was a NASCAR driver.

727
00:54:55,152 --> 00:54:59,692
And after being struck by lightning during a race, he picked up coding.

728
00:55:00,472 --> 00:55:02,732
And that's how we ended up here.

729
00:55:03,832 --> 00:55:07,572
I think he could not only save Bitcoin, but also save Fountain.

730
00:55:08,452 --> 00:55:10,412
And it's an exciting time.

731
00:55:11,012 --> 00:55:11,172
Interesting.

732
00:55:11,932 --> 00:55:23,132
well thanks for the boost sasha pies 121 sats salute emoji magnifying glass steak mushroom

733
00:55:23,132 --> 00:55:32,792
and uh flex the nostrigang 102 sats says did did stranger things manifest these broccoli haircuts

734
00:55:32,792 --> 00:55:41,152
broccoli uh and i think it's kissing emoji what what are your thoughts on broccoli haircuts you

735
00:55:41,152 --> 00:55:44,272
You know, I don't see a problem with the broccoli haircut.

736
00:55:44,272 --> 00:55:47,632
You know, I tend to groom myself in such a way

737
00:55:48,592 --> 00:55:51,592
to go for like the mountain man aesthetic.

738
00:55:51,592 --> 00:55:53,372
You know, I'm out there, I'm on the mountain.

739
00:55:54,592 --> 00:55:56,672
But the broccoli haircut is more of a,

740
00:55:58,092 --> 00:56:07,470
I hate to say metrosexual type thing And I think it could work as far as why people do these haircuts

741
00:56:07,710 --> 00:56:09,650
I don't see a problem with it.

742
00:56:09,930 --> 00:56:13,310
I'm too focused on saving Bitcoin to worry about that.

743
00:56:14,310 --> 00:56:16,450
But there could be an impetus.

744
00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:20,550
Something could happen where it all changes

745
00:56:20,550 --> 00:56:24,610
and the broccoli haircuts become a clear sign

746
00:56:24,610 --> 00:56:26,630
that someone is an enemy of Bitcoin.

747
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:39,370
And then the last boost, BTC on board, who you'd probably label as an enemy of Bitcoin because he's got hashtag L-Enhance or CTV in his handle.

748
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:43,030
100 sats, thumbs up, salute emoji, thumbs up.

749
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:48,810
Yes, when I see those tags, L-Enhanced, CTV, I'm immediately threatened.

750
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:54,450
I see someone with some proficiency as far as scaling Bitcoin,

751
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:57,810
and it makes me upset.

752
00:56:58,730 --> 00:57:02,430
It's almost as bad as when I see a clip of Gloria,

753
00:57:02,430 --> 00:57:06,290
and my whole body tightens up.

754
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:08,730
I almost go into sort of convulsions,

755
00:57:08,730 --> 00:57:13,030
and those tags, I find them quite triggering.

756
00:57:13,410 --> 00:57:17,370
Well, I think Luke is a supporter of CTV

757
00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:19,110
or at least he's open-minded to it.

758
00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:22,150
Do you differ from Luke in that regard?

759
00:57:22,510 --> 00:57:26,710
If he's open to CTV, I think there's a chance.

760
00:57:28,590 --> 00:57:32,410
I hate to say it, but maybe he's an enemy of Bitcoin.

761
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:33,930
Very, very interesting.

762
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:35,870
Yeah, I take that back.

763
00:57:36,130 --> 00:57:38,490
Could you leave that part out, please?

764
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:40,950
Please don't let him hear that.

765
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:43,650
Well, it's done.

766
00:57:44,010 --> 00:57:46,970
So I don't think that he's an enemy of Bitcoin.

767
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:48,290
He's also my boss.

768
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:50,270
And what he's doing is great.

769
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:52,990
Well, he has saved Bitcoin at least three times.

770
00:57:53,050 --> 00:57:54,570
He's working on his fourth right now.

771
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:56,330
It's amazing, isn't it?

772
00:57:56,370 --> 00:58:00,830
I mean, one man saves a distributed system like Bitcoin.

773
00:58:00,990 --> 00:58:02,130
I mean, who would have thunk it?

774
00:58:02,450 --> 00:58:04,030
You know, it's incredible.

775
00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:05,230
Absolutely.

776
00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:11,590
Well, wrapping up the episode, do you have any closing thoughts for our listeners?

777
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:20,130
I guess my closing thoughts, I would put it as, you know, I wanted to say this earlier,

778
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:24,550
and I just didn't know how to broach the topic, but, you know, we talk about

779
00:58:24,550 --> 00:58:30,110
club slop a lot, and it's my bread and butter when it comes down to it, I'll be honest.

780
00:58:30,110 --> 00:58:37,370
but I think that Jeffrey Epstein created plebslop

781
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:43,530
and basically convinced the Mossad and the National Security Council and AI

782
00:58:43,530 --> 00:58:48,850
to pump the American citizens with as much plebslop as possible

783
00:58:48,850 --> 00:58:51,750
to distract them from the spam on Bitcoin.

784
00:58:53,310 --> 00:58:58,430
And that's where I'll leave the listeners to ponder why have they done this.

785
00:58:58,430 --> 00:59:05,930
That's a very interesting theory. You're not going to give any conclusions as to why?

786
00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:14,150
I just think the growing surveillance state and, you know, facial recognition, all these things are happening.

787
00:59:14,610 --> 00:59:23,350
You know, this growing sort of security state, it's really just to distract people from the spam transactions on Bitcoin.

788
00:59:23,830 --> 00:59:33,130
I mean, if you don't want people to care about the spam on Bitcoin, you distract them with a, you know, police state.

789
00:59:33,370 --> 00:59:35,510
I think that's what's happening.

790
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:37,510
when I look out into the world today.

791
00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:40,910
So that's the purpose of the flock cameras,

792
00:59:41,070 --> 00:59:42,290
distract people from spam.

793
00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:47,710
I mean, it seems obvious, doesn't it, when you think about it?

794
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:53,870
I don't know if I see that, but that is an interesting theory.

795
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:59,770
So that means you think Lola Leitz's coverage of this failing state

796
00:59:59,770 --> 01:00:02,570
and the work at the Rage, that's a distraction?

797
01:00:03,310 --> 01:00:04,730
That's exactly what it is.

798
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:05,890
She's an enemy of Bitcoin.

799
01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:06,790
if you didn't know.

800
01:00:07,230 --> 01:00:11,370
And yeah, all that coverage is just to scare people

801
01:00:11,370 --> 01:00:14,310
and get them worked up about their rights and liberties

802
01:00:14,310 --> 01:00:17,290
in the Republic of the US.

803
01:00:18,550 --> 01:00:20,070
And those being, you know,

804
01:00:21,830 --> 01:00:25,090
it's just to get people not to worry about the spam, really.

805
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:27,550
I mean, that's the most pressing issue facing Bitcoin.

806
01:00:27,970 --> 01:00:31,490
And you tell people they're scanning your face at Walmart

807
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:33,350
when you used cash.

808
01:00:33,350 --> 01:00:42,430
it just it mucks all that up and i think that's the goal of uh the deep state very interesting

809
01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:50,570
uh this was definitely a uh different type of episode of the bugle weekly uh but i thank you

810
01:00:50,570 --> 01:00:56,390
for filling in on uh short notice for rob absolutely richard i appreciate the time

811
01:01:03,350 --> 01:01:08,970
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell slop

812
01:01:08,970 --> 01:01:11,510
Content farm Christmas that just won't stop

813
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:13,890
Scrolling through cheer like a dopamine drop

814
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,390
Yeah, Santa's optimized for clicks on top

815
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:18,950
Snowflakes fall like algorithm tricks

816
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:21,370
Influencer elves doing brand new kicks

817
01:01:21,370 --> 01:01:23,810
Buy more joy is the corporate fix

818
01:01:23,810 --> 01:01:26,370
A mistletoe kiss with a paywall twist

819
01:01:26,370 --> 01:01:29,130
Oh, what fun it is to see

820
01:01:29,130 --> 01:01:31,670
The pleb slops surf so merrily

821
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:33,870
Wrapped in bows of irony

822
01:01:33,870 --> 01:01:36,330
A hallmark heart with no battery

823
01:01:36,330 --> 01:01:41,010
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell slop

824
01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:43,470
Bobbles of nonsense you can't unstop

825
01:01:43,470 --> 01:01:45,950
We deck these halls till we all just drop

826
01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:48,470
A Christmas made from recycled pop

827
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:57,170
Jingle bell slop in a sleigh ride haze

828
01:01:57,170 --> 01:01:59,510
Masked on weed with a candy cane glaze

829
01:01:59,510 --> 01:02:01,570
We're singing old songs and new cliché

830
01:02:01,570 --> 01:02:04,550
Tintle on truth, but the shine decays

831
01:02:04,550 --> 01:02:06,810
Grandma says honey, enjoy the night

832
01:02:06,810 --> 01:02:09,350
But I'm doom scrolling by LED lights

833
01:02:09,350 --> 01:02:11,930
It's chestnuts roasting in corporate rites

834
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:14,450
A festive fight for the cheapest flights

835
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:17,130
Oh, what fun it is to see

836
01:02:17,130 --> 01:02:19,690
The pleb fog surf so merrily

837
01:02:19,690 --> 01:02:21,890
Shane and perfect 1080

838
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:24,550
Sponsored joy from A to Z

839
01:02:24,550 --> 01:02:26,830
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell

840
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:29,390
Slop, buy one spirit, get one free hop

841
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:31,630
We toast a hope at the Photoshop shop

842
01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:34,410
Marry memes that never quite pop

843
01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:41,550
Ring-a-ling, hear them sing

844
01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:43,850
Tastic angels on a plastic string

845
01:02:43,850 --> 01:02:46,230
If Christmas is a mood, I'm buffering

846
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:48,790
But the slop still hits like everything

847
01:02:48,790 --> 01:02:51,250
Deck the beat, repeat, repeat

848
01:02:51,250 --> 01:02:53,630
Holiday highs from a peppermint tweet

849
01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:56,150
We chase that cheer like a limited seat

850
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:59,130
Even our longing sounds

851
01:02:59,130 --> 01:03:01,330
Offbeat

852
01:03:01,330 --> 01:03:07,690
Oh, what fun it is to be

853
01:03:07,690 --> 01:03:09,950
A sloth-fed choir of irony

854
01:03:09,950 --> 01:03:12,450
Laughing through obscurity

855
01:03:12,450 --> 01:03:14,850
Cause Christmas sold the warranty

856
01:03:14,850 --> 01:03:17,570
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell flop

857
01:03:17,570 --> 01:03:19,870
A merry mess we can't photoshop

858
01:03:19,870 --> 01:03:22,070
But raise your glass till the algorithms stop

859
01:03:22,070 --> 01:03:26,030
Here's to Christmas in all our sloth

860
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:29,890
Kiss the cross