So dude, were you following Maxi Madness on Nostre?
Yeah.
Sorry, sorry.
I saw the one comment.
You lost because I didn't zap.
Yeah, I lost because you didn't zap for me.
The finals was Rev Hoddle versus, who's awesome.
I'm glad he won.
But let me see.
And he was against this woman, Noah.
What's her name?
Let me get it right.
Noah Grumman, who I guess is.
So to your point about deep fakes, I was convinced until like two days ago that the bugle guys made her up, that she's not a real person.
which i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure yeah i mean she's saying the maxi madness theme song and stuff
i'm i was i was pretty sure she was a fake person created by the bugle boys now they could be
trolling me they could be trolling me but i am now convinced that she's a real person
and we may or may not she might perform at our vegas event
which I insist on, because otherwise I'm not going to believe she's real.
There's no way she's going to perform the Maxi Madness theme song
at our RHR pub key event.
Oh, no, this is, they're trolling you, brother.
You don't think she's real?
I mean, they're notorious.
Like, they were doing AI-generated music like four years ago.
I know, I know, I know.
I know, I'm aware.
No way.
I'm aware.
I think she might be real.
But this is my point.
It's like, there's no way to know unless you meet her in person.
There's no way to know if she's a real person.
Look at this.
They're going to hire some actors in Vegas to make you like,
this is going to be a multi-layer troll on you.
I mean, maybe.
Hand up, you know, I don't.
The whole point I bring it up is who the hell knows
like what is true and what's not.
Pull up this.
this was the
this is the one that just
threw me for a fucking loop
this is the battle for eternal glory
to decide the one who is
worthy
apparently not Odell
we'll put everything on the line
in order to take a fight
only one will take home the crown
apparently not Odell
can you feel the madness all around
love
who will be the champion
Sorry, Odell.
She looks real.
Logan, you gotta turn the audio on.
We can't hear any audio, but...
I can't even hear it myself.
I gotta figure it with me.
Okay, fair enough.
It doesn't matter, but she looks really real in this, right?
Yeah.
And she calls me out by name.
And they told me she's hopefully going to be at the Vegas event to perform.
They asked me if she could perform at the Vegas event.
Speaking of which, the Vegas event.
Thomas, apparently, are they doing the spaces right now?
Girl next.
Beagle Boys and the Pub Key team may be doing the next.
Yeah, see Kieran?
Kieran's saying she streams on Zapstream, Raffle.
And then Joker has said she's a singer in a real band.
Search Scarlett.
Does the band exist?
Have you met the band?
folks welcome back to the bugle weekly and uh i'm excited because i think we're gonna get
back to some semblance of normalcy uh maxi madness is over and you know maxi madness
for the organizers like it i know a lot of the participants and just people around it they feel
like it hijacks their lives but when you're the organizer it's like taking a macro dose of acid
you know and you're just along for the ride you're along for the duration of the ride there's no
turning back at that point it's in your system you just gotta ride the wave try to enjoy it uh
you have no control over where the trip takes you uh but yeah we're on the comedown now and we're
feeling that the hangover affects a little bit you know i think in in both of our cases we're
feeling the afterglow now everybody else seems like they're kind of hung over from maxi madness
some people are talking about how uh nostr is dead like lohav was posted about how nostr is dead now
that maxi madness is over uh people on twitter are crashing out they're they're writing out all
of their grievances with maxi madness and um i don't know it's it's funny i mean the you know
the popular debate on Nostra right now is whether or not Noah Grumman is a real person or not.
I think Twitter just kind of assumes she's not.
It's just, it's funny.
I mean, we live in this, you know, wild world where individuals are not willing to do any sort of due diligence or research on anything.
and uh they'll just kind of write off one of the greatest performers in the world
as a um as a bot but then they'll they'll take all these pleb bots seriously like the real person
people and argue with them and get mad uh we're just you know in a funny funny funny place right
now but uh ron how you feeling how's the afterglow treating you i'm tired maxi madness it takes a lot
out of you it takes this it's it's consuming and it's it's interesting to watch the crash outs
because you know it's almost ironic for me to say don't overthink or don't take maxi madness too
seriously after putting so much time and effort into it for two or three weeks leading up to it
and then the event itself but any you got the rise and fall of timothy bitcoins you have aaron red
wing defeating ross albricht in the first round like just absolutely setting the tone for the
insanity and the madness that was to come you have casey ordnall's taking it all i mean bitcoin maxi's
letting HODLNAW lose so early in the tournament
and then letting Casey Ordinals win
and then somehow blaming it on the bugle
as if we had anything to do with this.
The bugle does not tip the scales,
does not participate in botting
or scanning the vote totals.
It's simply democracy.
So crashing out of it's so rude,
but it's, yeah, I'm just recovering.
I'm resting, trying to get my energy back up.
But one of the interesting things that we learned,
and we talked about this on Spaces a little bit,
but I don't know if we talked about this on the show yet,
is that the absolute, the hiss, poor performance by the Nazis
in Nazi Madness is just, it is very obvious a death knell for BIP-110.
And not only that, the Maxi Madness only runs for one week.
And in one week, the Maxi Madness prediction markets got over 1.2 Bitcoin.
And then, you know, in several months, the BIP110 prediction market was just posted about, cried about, coked about on a daily basis on the timeline.
It's still not even up to one Bitcoin yet.
So Maxi Madness in one week eclipsed the entire BIP 110 market And that not just that this is no longer a subjective opinion this is no longer editorialization of the matter it is literally the market telling you that that uh maxi madness
is bigger than bip 110 and that is that's it's really pathetic if you ask me
it is pathetic you know some people were uh upset petitioning saying that we we didn't include
real maxis in this tournament which i i found very laughable i think we did a really good job
of curating some of the the greatest maxis of all time in this tournament at least at you know their
performance over the last year and what they were essentially complaining about is that they wanted
more plebslot maximalists not bitcoin maximalists and um it's just there's a lot of individuals with
very like skewed views of reality that is,
uh,
that I think Maxi madness exposed quite a bit in the,
the prediction markets exposed.
It's,
uh,
you know,
we've been talking about prediction markets on this show pretty much since
the inception.
And,
uh,
it's something I think we're both,
you know,
excited and passionate about because,
uh,
you know,
they were talked about by the early cypherpunks and, um, you know, they've been talked about for
a long time as like this free market Oracle of, uh, information and, you know, being a journalist,
like you care about the truth. You like, you know, there, there's some people like Tomer,
you know, Tomer thinks that the keys to life are like, you know, love and peace and happiness and
harmony, you know, which are all nice.
Like I value those things too.
But like, if you don't have the truth mixed in with those things, you're, you're really
missing something that's important.
The truth matters.
Reality matters, believe it or not.
And, um, we, you know, there, there's been a lot of loss of trust in credentials.
There's been a lot of loss of trust in institutions like the institution of journalism, because that's what happens when, you know, the CIA captures something is they just they break everybody's trust.
It's like you're the job of the CIA is literally to tell lies.
That's the job of being a spy.
And so when you allow the liars to take over the information channels,
like people are going to obviously lose distrust,
but that doesn't mean that journalism inherently is bad.
It just means that spook journalism is bad.
And there's nuance to this.
And I think prediction markets are interesting in this world that we live in
as being able to determine our culture.
The platists say they value the truth and maybe they do to a certain extent, but the platists only value the truth until it starts encroaching on their plunge slop journalism or their plunge slop empire that they're trying to build.
And that's the problem.
That's where the incentives are worked.
If you only value truth until the point that it threatens you, the truth threatens you, then you don't value truth.
And, you know, this is one of the problems with Tomer, his girlfriend DJ Valerie Love.
It's all about peace and love and pledge slop until something threatens their little, you know, pledge slop that kind of chamber.
and the the truth drowns out these echo chambers and it makes them it exposes them
as like the wizard of oz behind the curtain making it making this this show this this charade uh
this uh you know like the plato's cave with the shadows cast on the wall once you expose that
and a lot of people start asking questions um it really upsets them and prediction markets do this
prediction markets you know anybody can make a prediction anybody can have a thesis or a you know
a base case as people like to say in the uh in the space here but
if you're not willing to put your money where your blood slop is um that is a red flag
and it's a problem this and this is why i think pledges are so terrified of prediction markets
absolutely and this is also why some pledges are so bad at prediction markets there's a lot
of polymarket pledges out there who see a prediction market and they think here's my
chance to stack more sats because i listen to podcasts i know more than everybody else
but you know this is this is why we're gonna get into these crash outs right and like why are they
crashing out it's because the platys don't understand and we talked about this don't
understand the rules of the game that they are playing and this is the same thing that happens
in maxi madness the plans crash out because they don't understand what maxi madness is
and they think maxi madness should have an outcome that is that it is satisfying to their little
pleb feelings and that's not how maxi madness works and this is in this this leads to crash out
absolutely i mean the the prediction markets and the plebs being on the prediction markets i think
is a is a massive opportunity for growth because it allows them to put their plebs
slop that they've been consuming to the test and like for them to be be real consequences like
one of the consistent problems for the plebs is they have short memories and you know they walk
away from bitcoin podcast just you know asking themselves how it made them feel at the end of
the day like did it did it make them feel good did it make them feel smart did it make them feel
better like hey you know i just listened to tom luongo spot off spot off about complete and utter
bullshit on Marty's podcast, but like it makes me feel like I'm smarter.
So I can go repeat the pleb slop that I heard Tom Luongo say to my family and their heads
are going to spin because they're going to have no idea what I'm talking about.
I'm going to feel like smart and sophisticated.
But, you know, they if they then take that misinformation or just poor information and
embed on it and are wrong consistently over and over, they might learn the lesson that
they shouldn't listen to tom luongo on his opinions on things that he's not um the best but like what
you're seeing happening right now is uh there's a contingency of plebs that are trying to become
influencers you know and for years you know why did the plebs start calling themselves plebs and
start bragging about being plebs because they were proud of not being influencers and so you know for
years and years they criticized the influencers they made fun of them and um you know they're
coming to this hard realization of how hard it is to be an influencer like it takes a lot of work to
be an influencer and it's hard to be in the public spotlight at the center of the you know the ring
of the circus with all the plebs standing around like judging you for your circus performance and um
it's
it's you know I
have hope for you know these plebs
trying to become influencers that
you know they'll learn some
lessons and they'll grow and they'll get better at it
but right now we're at this very
strange
transition point
where they're being plebs
like fully
and they influencing very very poorly and it very comical to read the slop in the garbage that they spewing right now
That's the irony, right?
The crash out, part of the crash outs is because plebs, their entire culture, their entire identity is anti-influencer.
But they've never been more grumpy about the lack of influence that they have.
It's like if you want to be a retarded pleb, that is, you know, that is a choice.
That is an identity choice.
It's not illegal.
There's nothing illegal about being a pleb.
But understand who you are.
Get through the cognitive dissonance because plebs are not influential.
Nobody is influenced by a pleb.
A pleb is an anti-influencer.
Nobody looks at a pleb and says, I want what they have.
I want to be like them.
They think, wow, I'm glad I'm not them.
So it should not be surprising if you are a plan and people are like, I don't want to do anything to do with what these guys are doing.
From an outside looking in, these guys are retarded.
And I don't want to be retarded.
And if you want to embrace that, there's some people who embrace that and they're not at all grumpy about the lack of influence they have.
um like Peter Bob Peter Bob has no influence and he doesn't care he he is just he's just
riling people up um but there's a lot of pledges who they they really freak out about having zero
influence but that is that is that comes with the territory it's it's like Clutter he gets so mad
about people marketing on his social marketing platform that's the whole reason Twitter exists
is to market your brand, market your company, market yourself, whatever it is.
So when Plunderer gets grumpy, crashes out about people doing that,
it's like the whole purpose of this platform is marketing.
The whole purpose of being a Plunderer is to not have any influence.
It's kind of like getting mad at people for driving on the highway.
Yeah, like getting mad at traffic, right?
Why are all these people driving on this road?
Well, that's what roads are for, my friend.
The roads are coming in and out of the city just like what you're doing on the road.
Well, you're a part of this bigger system.
And to get upset about it is just, you know, I mean, don't get me wrong.
Traffic is frustrating.
But having enough self-awareness to realize that you are the traffic is, you know, this is another part of the plebs.
they don't understand that the the whole reason that plaids emerged as a community or whatever
is to be trafficked they were just one could traffic trinkets to them other companies could
traffic the plaids to make it seem like this brand or this this movement was a larger thing
than it really was and so to be plebs get so upset about the scammers and influencers who are
taking advantage of the plebs that is the point of a pleb is to be trafficked if you are a pleb
you are there you are part of the trafficked it's pretty funny to watch i'm having a good time with
it i mean it's just it's uh it's uh there's nothing funnier than reality like i i just don't
really understand why why comedy even exists at this point when you can just uh report the news
and it's just about the funniest shit you've ever seen um but uh yeah it's it's been entertaining
to watch uh the the crash outs for from maxi madness for the most part some some of the crash
outs have been a little bit disappointing but uh noster there were some crash outs but it was
fairly tame it was just like you know the competition got heated because there was a
lot of money on the predicts market so you know people were passionate about you know the results
in the polls and uh that's okay um now the twitter one the twitter crash outs have been very funny
because they don't think that casey and aaron are maximalists and uh i think what what we
really saw happen this year was a shift in the Overton window that has some people very grumpy
and uncomfortable. And instead of, this is like, you know, like watching the libs when,
um, lose their shit when Trump got, uh, selected, uh, the first time in 2016.
instead of asking why this happened they just lost their minds um and we're reading and we're
seeing the same exact behavior on uh on twitter you know from like a lot of these guys so i think
it's an important question to ask why did this happen rod why did casey and aaron win
the plebs crashing out they're saying that karen casey are not maximalists
again this goes back to the plebs not even understanding the own terminology that they use
they think that that being a maximalist is the equivalent or is like saying that they that you're
a retarded pleb no that's not what maximalism is about being bitcoin only like being bitcoin
that's the only thing you care about so anything you build on that's the only thing you buy or trade
that's the only thing you podcast about has nothing to do with being a retarded pleb
or eating steak every day or you know being a taco pleb or whatever pleb universe you're in it's
about bitcoin and aaron and casey are bitcoin maximals they've always they've always been
bitcoin maximals maybe in early 2020 or something aaron you know when she was first getting into it
she you know like nifty maybe she was mining some chia or something but uh if that most of the
pledges who were crashing out were also doing that in 2020 and 2021 so like that doesn't really count
like in the in the contemporary era so it's like again these plebs are retarded they don't even
know the own words that they're using so you go back what was the question you originally asked
because well the question is why did aaron and casey win maxi madness this year instead of uh
They won because they are hot, because they were happy to be there, because they understood the rules of Maxi Madness, and they played the rules of Maxi Madness very well.
I mean, probably played it as good as anybody other than Teddy Bitcoins.
Now, Teddy Bitcoins absolutely ran through Maxi Madness.
And like, I don't think we're ever going to see it's like the 1996 Chicago Bulls, just completely unmatched.
But there's no competition that could ever come close to what Teddy Bitcoins did.
But outside of Teddy Bitcoins, nobody's played this game better than Aaron and Casey did because they knew the rules.
They understood the rules.
They understood the tournament that they were a part of.
And they played it very, very well.
And they just outclassed everybody they faced.
They outclassed the plebs by a wide margin.
And that's why they won.
And if the plebs weren't a hold of not to win, they should have voted for him.
They should have rallied to support him.
They should have lobbied and campaigned for him.
Because that's all Aaron and Casey did.
They didn't use bots.
They simply took it seriously and left it all in the court And that how you win There is no secret sauce to this There no how do I you have to know the underground or black market bot websites
No, that's not how you win Maxi Madness.
You just have to play the game.
And the planets don't.
The planets can't play the game because they don't know what the rules are.
And they don't, like you said earlier, they don't even take five minutes to research anything.
They just, if they cannot map their plebsalot mental models to a new phenomenon instantly, they just crash out.
They don't even try to understand.
Yeah, I mean, one of the consistent questions I've asked a lot of these grumpy plebs is, why didn't you vote harder?
You know, we saw this almost universally across the board is, you know, they're heroes.
They didn't want to show up and compete.
and you know whether you like it or not maxi madness is a incredible reflection of bitcoin
culture in the bitcoin ecosystem and um i think we do a really good job of that of selecting a
lot of individuals that are very active that you know have accomplished a lot that are interesting
that are intelligent um and just like a wide variety of people and they they all go up against
each other you know and compete and people vote for them and you know if anything so i mean this
was funny last year because what was maxi madness last year it was signaling that
swan didn't matter anymore
cory and brady were crashing out constantly in my dms the whole maxi madness
after cory refused to compete in round one and got knocked out because their arch nemesis teddy
bitcoins was winning and you know my response was you could compete if you want to be a
a part of Bitcoin culture, you can't just sit there and rest on your credentials and
cry when other people beat you, you know, at the game that's being played.
And I think this year with Casey and Aaron winning, it was, um, my takeaway from it is
that it's just not that compelling to cry and be grumpy all the time.
that's just not that's not what gets voters excited for you that's not what gets right
the Democrats lost in 2024 all they want to do is crash out and cry about Trump this Trump is a
Nazi Trump is racist Trump is a convicted felon Trump is this Trump is that Trump fails their
purity test okay we get it a politician failed your purity test and so you're going to cry about
it but the politician who competed wanted to compete and came out and had something to say
had something to offer to the voters more than just hey i'm gonna cry about this with you let's
cry about this together people that people don't people don't wake up in the morning and say
i got it i got my checklist of things i have to do today i have to go to work i have to go to the
gym, I have to sit in traffic, I have to call my mother-in-law, I have to have an argument with my
neighbor Dale, and then I have to go to the polls to vote for the politician who's crying about the
same shit I'm crying about. No, they're going to the polls to vote for somebody who's gone for
something for free. It doesn't matter what that is. Casey came out, he looked hot, he smiled,
and he said, listen, if you vote for me, I'm going to turn on the turbo flag. And people said,
Free turbo flag.
I'm voting for the free turbo flag.
What did anybody else offer?
They offered nothing more except for plebslop conspiracy theories, plebslop pity parties.
People are not going to go vote after nearly getting into a fatal confrontation with their neighbor Dale over the, you know, who's mowing the lawn on a frequent enough basis.
um no it's it's they don't know how to sell their own culture because and i think deep down they
don't even believe in their own culture what is there to believe in in pleb slop culture there's
nothing to believe in none of those people are happy nobody in the pleb slop pity party is happy
they're all miserable they're all pissed off they're all they all hate each other and they
They hate everybody else, and they can't even sell why anybody should care about them.
All they can do is cry about the fact that nobody does care about them.
Yeah, I mean, one of the ways that you could have, or, you know, in the node region, for example,
the Nazis could have countered a lot of these other people is they could have just been out there and said,
hey we're actually going to get bit 110 activated you know vote for us show us your support you know
show your support for bit 110 and then you'll win your bets on predix like that could have totally
countered the uh the narrative around the turbo flag but yeah it's funny because they they truly
are miserable people because they all they do is fuck a bitch they all they do they're they're so
hyper-focused with just like bitching about what everybody else is doing and being the um
the plebs lot police and um and there's very little about cordevs having sex they're bitching
about casey and aaron being hot which means they think that they're probably having sex
casey's an incel just like the plebs and they don't even take time to realize that yeah but i
mean it's just it's pretty astounding because like you know i've never really um like i think
inscriptions are like funny um and relatively uninteresting you know because like i've talked
to these people like when we went to spamming vegas which was a great experience like i did
I love Aaron and Casey.
Like I just,
I think they're some of the best Bitcoin podcasters in existence right now.
They're,
they're very,
you know,
engaging and interesting to listen to.
They're very intelligent.
They're,
they're great orators.
Like they're,
they're just very entertaining to listen to,
you know,
their banter back and forth.
And I think a lot of people can just learn from their communication strategies
by listening to their podcasts.
even if you don't like, you know, the ideas that they present or who they are.
I think they're the best at the game right now.
But like, you know, I've talked to these Ordinals people and we live on very different planets.
You know, I was walking around spamming Vegas, you know, I was thinking about doing an inscription set
and I just didn't get around to it because I had other things to do.
I've never inscribed anything other than, you know, using like the opera term bond to say Linden Alden is hot or whatever.
But like, I was thinking about, you know, doing this Ordel's inscription collection of all the propaganda posters from the, you know, Corv versus Knots article I did a long time ago.
And I was talking to one of the guys there, and he was telling me about his wallet that he built, which was kind of unusual to talk to somebody at a conference talking about something that they were actually building.
But that seemed to be most of the people at the Ordinals Conference.
They were building something or another.
And he was kind of baffled that I wasn't uploading or trying to inscribe pictures of animals like that.
He was just very confused by that, which just kind of shows that we live in very different perspectives and worlds.
A lot of those people are a lot more fun to hang out with, even if they're a bunch of wackadoos.
There's no fads there.
There's no fads in that community.
Oh, I'm sure there's plenty of fads.
I didn't see any.
When I was hanging out at the quote-unquote maximalists, where all the Bitcoin-only plebs were hanging out, it was absolutely full of feds, like obvious feds, politicians, feds.
You go into spamming, they, because I didn't see any feds.
Maybe there was one or two there.
I don't know.
You're talking about the out-of-the-closet feds.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, it's anecdotal.
Right down the street from each other, one expo hall was, I mean, there was more feds in some of these rooms, in some of these stages.
At the Bitcoin conference last year, then there was Plex.
And when you went to the ordinals, it was all, it was, there was no feds in sight.
At least visible.
and I mean there was at the Venetian there was more make America great there were more MAGA hats
than than Bitcoin hats and that's that's just a snapshot but it's it's it tells you
it's a sample size of that community and there was no politicians of standing Vegas
there's no Republicans or Democrats very few libertarians that's probably why it was so fun
um and like you talk about the devil money podcasts i'm not really good at podcasting
and talking about things about bitcoin they're also relevant to like contemporary popular
and some of these other like more popular subcultures the planet podcast like it's
there is little it's so it's it's a one it's a one dog show it's like they've got nothing other
than bitching and complaining about, you know, Bitcoin culture.
Yeah, the podcast is bitching about something else,
is bitching about how the world's broken,
or is bitching about, or just, you know,
repeating the same old taglines of use this, you know, KYC exchange
and, you know, withdraw to this hardware wallet.
And that's about, like, the extent of the analysis that you get,
you know, maybe some, like, macro slop once in a while.
and it's just it it's it's boring and it's it's uninteresting like casey and aaron won because
they're not boring and they are interesting at the end of the day is my my interpretation of it
and you could even make the interpretation that casey and aaron did not win as much as the plans
simply lost it was massy madness was huddle not or any of anybody else on that board that you
wanted to root for instead of them it was theirs to win uh and instead of winning it they just
fumbled the bag i mean i i agree with that but i do think it's important to give casey and her
some credit because they
it wasn't just more than
you know the plebs losing
you know they really are
the pinnacle of Bitcoin
culture right now in a lot of
ways in my opinion
and
you know whether you like them or not
they are interesting
they are engaging they're entertaining
they're funny
Aaron's hot
Casey's really smart
Casey's hot too
I mean
don't take that away from him
Casey's hotter
and in better shape
than
99% of the plebs
you will ever meet
I mean which
which fucking
you know
pleb hero
in the tournament
had a really hot woman
uh
saying that she was
gonna post nudes
if they won
exactly
none of them
but um
there are important things in Maxi Manus
going on in the world right now
you know
I disagree but we can talk about other
things it's a
just to kind of cap up this
conversation I think there's a lot
that people can
learn from
and you know one of the things that
was refreshing to the tournament
was watching the Noster ecosystem respond
and getting to see a lot of the discussion in the group chats.
Rev Hoddle, that might have been the highlight of his entire life
was this week.
He was having a blast.
He was having a good time.
He was committed to taking home the W.
He took it home.
Noah was having fun.
Even Grumpy Odell.
got to see a couple smiles on his face.
So he was having fun throughout the maxi madness.
And,
uh,
it's just,
it's not entirely that the,
the,
the whole kind of like 2021,
uh,
perspective around Bitcoin is,
uh,
is grumpy.
It's just a,
the,
the predominant ones on,
on Twitter seem to be that way.
And,
uh,
You know, there are a couple people that have retired to Nostra that seem to be having fun.
And so it's a very different game.
There's a lot of grumpy people on Nostra too, though.
There's a lot of people crashing out and being grumpy on Nostra.
I wouldn't say that everybody was having fun on Nostra.
I mean, there weren't that many.
I mean, there was a couple.
You know, some of them, like, need creations.
Like, the only reason why he was on Nostra is because he's taking Lent off of Twitter.
um which in my opinion using nostor is essentially cheating on lent um so i i think god's pretty
disappointed with the need creations um but uh i don't know i mean did you did you really see a
bunch of grumpy people i only saw a handful i saw way more grumpy people than i saw happy people
when i walked in it was just like what's this maxi madness this is the most annoying scammy
thing i've ever seen in my life and you know i saw some people having fun i saw some i absolutely
there's a lot of people having fun but it was i when i when i walked in i was like well what are
these guys crashing out about um and they just i mean maxi madness if you're on x if you're on
twitter you probably at this point have seen it coming but this was the first year that it was on
these guys had no idea what was coming and it really it was really i think overwhelming for
some people they were they were definitely crashing out i saw a lot of people crashing out about it
well i understand how it could be a little bit overstimulating for people that are used to
scrolling through the timeline and not seeing really much of anything but like uh right it was
Yeah, a lot of new posts, a lot of people having a good time, doing more than just saying good morning to each other and not seeing any new posts for 24 hours.
But, yeah, it was a lot.
I mean a huge part of the way that I think a lot of us interact with these social platforms is using group chats as well as kind of like an extension to interface with them of people sharing posts you know discussing you know what they seeing shaping a broader perspective outside of the algorithm and uh i saw so many people having fun
in the group chats i i got so many messages you know for people that were telling me that they
signed up to predix and like what their their bets looked like and um you know what good friend of the
show um told me that they won like 120 sats or something like that and felt really accomplished
with themselves you know for betting on rev hodl like it's just it was generational wealth yeah
generational wealth and uh just i mean it was mostly it was mostly the meshed at all guys it's
mostly the you know the the people that were real good friends of uh rev hodl that are you know just
true pioneers i mean they're they're definitely like i don't really consider michael dunsworth
a person you know at this point because he it's like he's got some he's got the equivalent of trump
derangement syndrome so i guess i don't really count his crash out as a real crash out because
it's just like you know when somebody tells you that americans want to be australians
you're you're not a real person at that point you have just you you detached detached from reality
objectively an npc objectively an npc like they're so maybe that's why i just didn't really
think much of uh the crash outs uh because it was uh i don't know i saw a lot of positivity
i saw a lot of people having fun it was just minus like you know a couple goofballs that
there's like one guy that lost his predicts bet and uh he was a little bit grumpy but
yeah i don't know it's like uh all right well guys i gotta say
I'm glad that Maximo Madness is over.
That was a...
I think we're probably going to do like one more episode discussing it.
We're going to interview Rev Hoddle, the winner.
But I think we're moving on to other things.
The next big thing on our horizon is going to be Las Vegas.
Are you ready for Vegas?
Are you ready for the Sodom and Gomorrah of the Podcom Super Bowl?
Rod?
Fine.
As ready as I'll ever be.
You can never be ready for...
It's going to be a...
A plus-lop panacea.
I think the only way that this could be crazier would be as for...
You know, if Bitcoin was at $100,000, but it is going to be...
out of this world i think but i'm looking forward to it i'm looking forward to the
you know doing something with pop key doing something matt and marie it's going to be fun
there'll be more details about that but stay tuned but if you're going to be there just make sure you
get your tickets yeah i'm excited to hanging out with a lot of the friends of the show not
everybody's going to be there uh this year but uh there's going to be some some good ones that
I'm looking forward to hanging out with,
uh,
could be hanging out with Avi,
Burra,
and open mic and Noah,
you know,
at the Noster event that we got,
I,
I'm looking forward to,
to twisting Marty's knobs a little bit in person.
It's like one of my favorite things to do is,
uh,
I can't wait to talk about AI and silver with Marty.
He wants those things.
He's just,
he's funny.
Like he,
He's a plab that found himself becoming one of the biggest Bitcoin podcasters who is a millennial that wants to be a Gen Xer.
He's got identity crises top to bottom.
He's so confused.
It's just these lax bros are so funny.
Did you ever play lacrosse growing up?
No.
Now, I was a humble clap growing up.
I was not a rich elitist.
That's like lacrosse is for kids who grew up with the silver spin in their mouth.
And that's maybe why Marty likes silver so much.
He grew up with the silver spin in his mouth.
That makes sense.
It's the kids that grew up with Sperry's on their feet, wearing Virginia vines.
We all know Marty was that way.
uh yeah we got it like uh i think that's pretty much it for us in vegas i mean there's a couple
events that we're going to be going to probably be going to some parties it's just uh head us up
if you're going and you want to get together with us i might do a smoking meetup my my keynote speech
is going to be in the the parking lot smoking area uh really grateful for bitcoin magazine for
giving me a keynote slot um might as well have like a smoky meetup before or after out there
uh yeah we get closer to the event we'll have more idea of what's going on what days we'll be
enticed you'll be able to figure out find us figure it out you know or if you're like shadrack
we'll find you and you'll somehow already have swag that we haven't even created yet you already
wearing it that was still one of the funniest situations ever like fine shadrach found us
i don't know how he did it that was pretty wild
shadrach offered you a cigarette before you even had a chance to introduce yourself
well he walked up to me with a hat that said credential journalist on it like he
i mean if he could figure out who we are without having ever met either of us uh i guess that does
make him a good candidate for credential journalist it was pretty wild but it was literally anybody
else i would have suspected him as a fed but shadrack is he's not he's not a fed shadrack is
is the best yeah we had a fun night with him that night that was uh
yeah we took shadrack to the uh the triple a week memes bitcoin fight club event the underground
and pick up Fight Club where Neat Creations
got his ass kicked by somebody from town.
It was crazy.
I don't think you're supposed to talk about it,
the outcome.
It's like one of the rules of TM Fight Club,
but we met Mars there.
Neat Creations did a good job.
I wouldn't say he stood his ground.
You know, it's like for those who have never fought in a ring before, just got to give props where props are due.
Let's put it this way.
Neat Creations is the only plan on my timeline that I see on a regular basis.
I would have gotten that octagon and fought, and he did it.
Everybody else talks shit and then, you know, blocks or mutes when people say, hey, sign the waiver.
Yeah, you don't see Shinobi out there.
fighting in the
I wonder
yeah I wonder if they're going to do another one
or not but
I don't know I'm pretty excited
I'm
very excited like the Ponkov
Super Bowl is just so much fun
it has always been the highlight
like last year
spamming Vegas hanging out with Aaron
running around with fundamentals
yeah there was a lot of things
that were pretty entertaining last year
smoking cigarettes listening to the Satoshi rakamoto they were actually pretty good i i i
figured that satoshi rakamoto would just be pure unadulterated plebslot music but like it was
they had some pretty talented musicians in it and uh i was impressed like uh
nico's wife sophie is a very talented singer from simply bitcoin
she blew me away she's got she's the most talented person at simply bitcoin for sure i agree um
but yeah so you know the war is going on there you know people are still kind of discussing
whether they think bb's dead or not if uh it is confirmed that bb's dead do you think the war
stops like trump doesn't have to worry about getting killed anymore or what do you think
BB's talking about like in annexing all of South Lebanon and like they're like extending their for their defense posture or whatever.
Get ready to invade.
I don't see any Navy.
Maybe I've just been busy with Vaxie Madness, but I don't see too many people talking about BB being dead anymore.
And he sounds like he's leading an invasion of the IGF into South Lebanon.
And personally.
Yeah.
he's going like fully lindsey graham front lines peter todd style that's that's a yeah that's
possible um i don't know if he's gonna be on the front front lines and he might be like behind
he might he's gonna be using some israeli plebs as cannon fodder because that's what plebs are
for so as long as they have some plebs as clean cannon fodder they're gonna use them um but you
know if they're on a cannon fodder it could be bb on the front lines i mean having six fingers
is a huge benefit to being on the front lines because you have your trigger finger plus more
you have extra grip for aim uh you could you could you could you can also smoke a cigarette
more easily if you have six fingers so yeah you know i would watch out you do not want i mean if
If you know anything about Bibi, like he's not, he may be old now, but motherfucker is a war hero.
Him and Ehud Barak, one of the other former prime ministers, those dudes have killed a lot of Muslim plebs.
And they're not, let me tell you.
Yeah, I mean, I guess what's so different about the war in Israel is, you know, when you're sitting in Tel Aviv,
that's essentially like the front lines right just because of proximity because the country's so small
like you you're getting hit by hypersonic missiles on your flank while you're trying to fight
a hezbollah in front of you and you haven't even left your front your front porch
like donald trump's hanging out in mar-a-lago that's very different than uh you know being in
tel aviv on the ground and uh so props to mike huckabee he's been on the uh the front lines of
the the war this whole time because it's a lot more uh brave than a lot of uh yeah i don't know
politicians i don't know if mike huckabee's lost weight because he's been fighting war or if he's
on ozempic but mike huckabee is looking like mike brock these days he's looking quite thin quite fit
oh did i did i tell you that i got to chat with mike brock last week
and twitter spaces look you told me i don't know if you told the listeners
you have like a 20 minute recording of me uh talking to mike brock a little bit and uh it was
you know a pretty entertaining discussion as usual it was just you know mike um doing the
typical glazing himself like his his new uh evolution of crash out is he likes to uh use
a british accent sometimes and uh it's just how did he how did he respond to you calling him a
subjectivist philosopher i i wasn't the one that called him that that was uh another guy uh i forgot
what his name is like hash browns or something like that uh i think that's a great that's a great
framing as soon as this as soon as we're done recording i'm about to hop in spaces hash browns
is uh is how it's in the sunday swerve i'm gonna go talk to those guys
i i think that's a great framing of either you're an objectivist or you're subjectivist
it's like it's true it's the it's a philosopher binary
it's like either you're uh you're a maxi or you're a spammer or shit coiner right like there there's no
nuance to it it's very black or white i mean that's going to be you know mike was
the the first thing in the space you know mike was pumping himself up about how he's planning on
demolishing Curtis Yarvin
in that debate and I gotta say
is that
gonna be
fun to watch
Mike Barack
has the potential
to save our democracy
by demolishing Curtis Yarvin
like everything
is on his shoulders
right now
he was bragging about how
he's not
he was bragging about how he's not gonna do
any debate prep
that he's ready for it, that he was born
ready for it, that he doesn't
feel like he needs to
it's just
it's going to be
I mean I've never, I don't think
I have ever in my
entire life been excited
about conference programming
at Bitcoin
at the Slop Super Bowl
but, or PodConf Super Bowl
but
That one is going to be ground shaking.
It's like, you know.
Yeah, I want to miss that one for sure.
It's, it's going to determine.
Today is terming the midterms, actually.
So if you want, if you want an alpha to vote in the prediction markets for who's going to win the midterms.
Just watch to see the wins between Mike Brock and Curtis Yarvin.
so like for people that don't know who curtis yarvin is uh he's essentially like peter thiel
jd vance's favorite podcaster and um i think that's why he used to be on twitter as menchus
mold bug and he was a twitter troll very very offensive all right you know adjacent uh maybe
a monarchist for sure uh he's been on peter mccormick's podcast a few times uh he's recently
he's posted pictures has been hanging out with alex soros which is kind of a troll but kind of
funny but yeah he is the he's the monarchist like he's not a he's not a credentialed philosopher
like mike brock is but he is a a very talented sophist um and he he has the ears and the
attention of some very prominent figures on the right and he's he's he's a sophisticated
he's a sophisticated philosopher like mike even if he's not credentialed um but he has been the
alter he's been mike brock's nemesis his op his rival whether he knows it or not for for years now
and i he's coming into this i hope he doesn't fade mike brock but because mike brock's not is
not fading curtis well mike brock is fading curtis actually that's what he was uh saying
in the Twitter spaces but you know Oof Well he made that mistake with you and it did not turn out well you know it just i don know it it gonna be you know fascinating to watch i uh
i'm wondering if mike brock beats curtis yarvin in this debate like does that mean that he
you know individuals like peter thiel will want mike brock to be their
resonant philosopher in the future well like bill mike brock now does mike brock live every
every weekday at 4 p.m um eastern or i don't know he does it at 4 p.m sometimes um and if
mike brock wins he might might brought by then the afternoon might be sponsored by valentier
you know the last thing i'll say on this topic but i i had a funny exchange with mike where um
you know i asked him his thoughts on the epstein list and then he proceeded to brag about how he
has more friends on the epstein list than any of us in that twitter space uh that was his immediate
reaction but um you know the reason why i asked him was because i tried to bring it up during the
debate and uh he wrote me off but you know since then he's been very uh vocal about discussing
the epstein list and i you know he was expressing his extreme shock with how serious and pervasive
it was and i explained to him mike if you'd been listening to 40 hours of bitcoin podcast years ago
you would have known about all this shit recently.
And he didn't really appreciate that.
He disagreed with that, even though we all know it's true.
Because we all knew about the Epstein list a long, long time ago.
And I learned that he drives a McLaren.
Or, well, he doesn't drive it, but he has a McLaren.
That was, uh, he doesn't drive it.
He said he hasn't driven it for a long time.
Cause he like a McLaren is not really like a daily driver.
It's like something you take out to the track.
He said he hasn't had time to go to the track because, uh, he's too busy, you know, podcasting in order to save our democracy.
Um, writing a lot of essays for sure.
I mean, that's some sacrifice, if I've ever heard of sacrifice, not driving your McLaren to podcast and save our democracy.
Well, folks, I guess one of the final topics I wanted to talk about is just, you know, Bitcoin's role in protecting our American financial privilege.
And, you know, I was talking with this interesting guy, you know, that I've sort of made friends with on Twitter in the last couple of years.
His name is Bam.
He's a Syrian guy.
He has the biggest Arabic speaking Bitcoin publication in the world.
Very intelligent guy.
And, you know, one of the things that he was talking about is about how American culture drives Bitcoin culture.
and um you know one of the things i explained to him on the on the twitter space is there the
reason why is because as americans we
we truly value our financial privilege other people around the world you know they don't
really value it you would you know there's lots of people that are talking about like nigerian
bitcoin adoption you know these countries that have extreme hyperinflation where it should be
pretty obvious that they should be using Bitcoin, but you know, they don't really do it.
They just don't value their financial privilege very much.
Like it's just not something that's very important to them because they've never experienced
it before.
But here in the United States, we value our financial privilege.
And I think that's why Donald Trump continues to say nice things about Bitcoin, even though
he keeps on doing things that make the price go down.
Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, Bitcoin was invented by Jeffrey Epstein to protect Western financial privilege.
And I think just because we disagree with some of Jeffrey Epstein's political opinions doesn't mean that we should fade this generational opportunity to protect our Western privilege.
I mean, Western financial privilege is built on Bitcoin and trafficking.
And you can't, just because you disagree with it doesn't mean that some of those things doesn't mean you will let your privilege slip through your fingers.
I don't think that Jeffrey Epstein created Bitcoin.
I don't appreciate you citing Aaron Day as a legitimate source on this podcast, Ron.
we all know that it's Peter Todd
well Peter Todd
wrote C++ I think for sure
but he was
you know Peter Todd when he wrote C++
he was like 14-15 years old
who is he doing it for
he was being trafficked by
Jeffrey Epstein
alright well that's a roundabout
way to look at it I don't know
alright well
we'll just leave this one
I'm just saying
You know, just this, listen, this is, there's no, there's no fact-based evidence for this.
This is pure plebslop speculation.
I'm just saying you have to be prepared for that to be true and you still can't sell your
Bitcoin just because of that.
I'm going to have to have Rudy Dazzleworth come after you if you keep on performing this
plebslop journalism.
You're going to, you're going to win a plebslop Pulitzer, Rod.
i'll put it in my trophy case well you got any other things you want to discuss before we go to
the filing booth now let's get to the booths just kind of say i think the last episode that we did
was um around the two-year anniversary of this show so we've been around for two years folks
it's been an incredible journey it's been fun thank you for uh joining the ride with us i didn't read
our subscribers last week which i'll make sure to do this week because uh found it wasn't working
but just it hasn't changed in like seven months i think you could just record that and just play
the recording over and over each week well i like to re-record to keep it fresh um but yeah it's uh
it just takes a second but first boost late stage huddle 6,000 six sats maxi madness is greater than
sports ball madness uh yeah you know i'm in like a group chat with my family they keep on talking
about the sports ball madness and i have no idea what's going on have you been watching it at all
what's going on with the fiat madness oh yeah it's great i love marsh madness marsh madness is great
uh some really good teams the going to the final four if you're a big 10 fan it's about to be
with like possibly three Big Ten teams.
So big year for them.
Who's in it?
I assume, I keep on seeing these texts about Arizona.
Illinois, Arizona, Michigan is walloping Tennessee right now.
So this should be them and then the winner of Duke versus UConn.
What round are they on?
This is in the Elite Eight.
so okay yeah there's one game left after this michigan tennessee game and it'll be uh
duke versus uconn and then the final four will be illinois yeah arizona michigan and duke or uconn
huh surprised the universe
City of Phoenix online isn't represented in the Elite Eight.
They were pretty good at basketball when you went there, right?
Oh, yeah, they were incredible.
Absolutely dominated the local YMCA teams.
Bitcoin University definitely wasn't invited.
Do you think Bitcoin University could even get invited to the NIT?
No chance there.
I'd get invited to anything.
Yeah, 5,000 saps from Sasha Hodder.
Congrats on a great Maxi Madness.
Thank you, Sasha.
Listen, the way Sasha's a bump and comer,
I would look for Sasha in the Hot Bracket region next year
as a potential new blend.
There's going to be a lot of retired Maxis,
retired for Maxi Madness next year, I think,
him to make room for some some fresh blood like sasha so thank you for the uh thank you for the
thank you for the booze sasha thank you for the booze next booze 4242 sat says plebina pleb
eat anon do you think the iranians are giant steppenwolf fans uh yeah i assume that they're
probably listening to magic carpet ride when they're flying around chasing uh you know the
fighter jets absolutely next based over mike 3333 sats maxi madness equals a zap bull market
yes we got 200 or 2.8 million sats boosted in maxi madness this year that was incredible
thanks for everybody who participated definitely a zap bull markets sign that what is trending Yeah it uh I think we set the all record you know for like a single user getting zaps on that platform at one time in a week like at one point just in one end
of the polls that the final between odell and rev hodl there was a million sats on that single poll
uh there was a wide range in values on all of the the different polls uh you know it's just
kind of funny to watch like you know some people there was only like
i mean there'd be like 20 votes on it or something but it'd be like
2 000 sats to like 100 sats or something like that but um i mean it was just crazy is 1.2
Bitcoin traded on the predicts markets.
Like people are willing to throw around their Bitcoin.
It's just about finding creative ways to extract it.
We're always looking for new ways to extract Bitcoin from you guys.
Thank you for the boost.
Open mic.
Nope.
757 cents is awesome job with Maxi madness.
The crash outs were a hundred.
Yeah,
they're pretty entertaining.
I mean, they're going to keep on coming in.
They're slow rolling the crash outs right now.
Five iron 21 sats from June Satoshi.
Thank you for your time.
No, thank you.
Silas Thornbrook had a fun week.
I saw Silas posted everywhere.
121 sats.
Bugle Max in with a bunch of bugle emojis.
higher and trying to answer pies by ship emojis including steak and uh mushrooms and flexing and
glad to see pies is back in the in the booths uh on a weekly basis glad to see pies is not deported pies didn crash out because of Maxi Madness as far as I could tell Nostra Gang 100 cents LFG
What's that stand for?
Let's fucking go.
Life Fun Games.
All right, let's fucking go.
Yeah, Nostra Gang.
Thank you.
DGC on board, 100 cents.
That's loving the crash outs.
I'm glad people are loving it.
The crash outs are the best part for some people.
And I can't disagree.
You know, my grandmother told me never to chuckle at other people's misery.
But what can you do when people are crashing out on the internet but chuckle at their misery?
I'm sorry, Grandma.
Can't help it.
Folks, wait, we got one more.
Z-U-Y-O-X-I-40-H-P-W-100-C-S-S-Maxi-Madness this year is about bad UX and being responsible.
Absolutely.
A Nostra for sure.
Absolutely.
Well, you got anything before we close this one up, Rob?
Yeah, like you haven't crashed out already.
Do wherever you can and not to crash out.
You can join or you can crash out Work harder if you wanna chase that crowd
Games change, you don't write the rules
Journalists making you look like stupid fools
Cry harder, maybe don't hear
Whining won't make your dreams appear
Revolutionists, time to win
Evolution grow, thicker skin
Relegated to being a joke
Decimated, filled with coke
Why don't you act like you actually want to win?
Humility in your bio, but can't see you're a has-been
You can join or you can crash out
Try harder if you wanna chase that cloud
Games change, you don't break the rules
Journalists making you look like stupid fools
You're a critic, but you're in the past
Forgotten because all you spew is trash
Crumbling when you get a little pushback
Exposed for trying to fight facts
Echo chamber full of plebs
Glazing in mediocrity, following your steps
You're the tallest midget in the room
But your failure to grow will be a doom
You can join or you can crash out
Try, try, try harder if you wanna chase
That clout, games change
You don't write the rules
Journalists making you look like stupid fools
Rest on your credentials at your own risk
Bitching about arbitrary data on your disc
You don't win by being a loser, bitch
I'm a fucking hot podcast producer
I see you out there and you got no clothes
Influenza is naked and everyone knows
Pleb slot pity party isn't fun
Hiding, looking for where you run
You can join or you can crash out
Try harder if you wanna chase
That cloud game's changed
You don't break the rules
Journalists making you look like stupid fools
You can join in if you want
Or sit on the sidelines and crash out
I don't give a shit what you do
But you'll have more fun
If you join in
you