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we have a list of basically nots nodes that advertise them nots and then they the users of
comcast have data kit caps at their house typically and these are these are residential
asns they're not like the comcast business blocks and so yeah like i was okay i i am like basically
peering with them and asking for an idd from a fresh node uh maybe i have like 96 of these
nodes running right now because I want to get IBDs from all these clients.
Wait, are they at least NOS nodes?
No, they're core nodes.
Oh, come on.
They're actually master branch.
But continuing on, yeah, essentially just like asking again and again and again, allegedly.
He is one of the most sophisticated attackers of Bitcoin.
How many of them do you think know that the max upload target comp option exists?
It's not an option if you're on Umbral or Start 9.
The apex predator of adversarial transactions.
Oh, I see.
Wait, you can't modify your comp file?
You could.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying when you click your GUI options.
It's not there.
But yeah, so I've secured the IBD from like several Comcast nodes at this point.
If you cross paths with him on chain,
no, you are not his peer.
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His name is Portland Hoddle.
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Most people who get orange-pilled follow the same ritual.
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and dedicate their lives to the cause of decentralizing and protecting Bitcoin,
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But one man took a different path.
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While we argue on Twitter about whether BRC20s are spam, he stress testing incentives until
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Today, on Behind the Bitcoin podcast, we go behind the game theory, behind the culture, behind the paranoia, with the not-step himself, Portland HODL.
Buckle up, listeners. We're talking to an adversarial peer.
welcome portland hodl i have one question for you to open this would you call yourself a hero
or a villain of bitcoin i would say i'm the hero of bitcoin that bitcoin needs some people may not
like it but i think we all need bitcoin to be stress tested we need it to be poked we need to
find this thing make the honey badger the strongest species on earth that everybody can use without
worry of an attacker taking advantage of this permissionless system so there's been a lot of
confusion recently uh on how consensus is reached on anything pertaining to bitcoin development
you've got people like dennis porter who think that bitcoin is government and it should be more
democratically decided by the users you've got other people that see bitcoin core as kind of
like a benevolent dictatorship how how should the community determine if we need a hero or not
um the reality is that the community shouldn't have heroes bitcoin is basically like a meritocracy
don't trust and verify.
And what I mean by that is like in Bitcoin,
you need to be your own hero
and you need to do your own research
on absolutely everything.
And that is because of the fact
that every hero story also at the same time
probably has a villain arc somewhere inside of it.
And everybody that like you look up to
usually ends up probably at the end of the day
at some point, like quote unquote,
like hanging themselves.
Very few people in Bitcoin survive
at all the levels of purity tests
from every side.
And we saw this with core developers recently.
These people were quote unquote heroes of Bitcoin.
We loved what they did.
We were thankful for the work all the time,
finding the exploits, patching them,
making this thing basically bulletproof
for everybody to use.
And now you turn the table
about a year and a half, two years later
from the kind of start of some of this questioning
on specifically X.
And now they're villainized by a large portion
of specifically like the Twitter audience.
And what I want to point out about Twitter specifically,
that is the most divisive microcosm of Bitcoin.
So it is a part of Bitcoin.
You have economic actors, influencers, devs,
like everybody, like it is the platform to go to,
to talk about Bitcoin.
But at the end of the day,
there are many other platforms.
YouTube, internal chats, even at companies,
all have some economic influence.
but yeah nobody in bitcoin should have a hero everybody should be their own um i what about i
mean at the end of the day if you think about luke he saved bitcoin multiple i was reading the other
day it's like 2013 or 2017 luke saved bitcoin and at some point don't you earn the right to be
a hero if you saved Bitcoin multiple times? What's the incentive to save Bitcoin if you won't be a
hero forever? If you don't get your jersey retired and hanged at the Bitcoin conference in the
rafters, why should I want to be a hero and save Bitcoin? It protects your own incentives. You want
the perfect money. You want number to go up very likely. And as such, saving Bitcoin, if you
actually save it like Luke did, well, you just preserved your own incentives. And what that
also leads into is I believe you can be a hero in Bitcoin, but nobody should be ever judged based
on their past at all. You can go like, hey, you have some merit. I believe what you've done,
you've demonstrated technical capability, but an individual can turn on a dime, right? Good actors
can become bad. Bad actors can become good. The definitions of these things themselves are not
actually set into stone. And as such, yeah, you need to evaluate every individual on literally a
now basis. Is this guy a good actor today? An example like has somebody been paid off by a
government agency to become a chain analysis firm? I don't necessarily know of somebody that's done
that. But at the same time, that would represent maybe somebody who was good in the past who is now
bad. Somebody who's bad maybe leaves and says, hey, I realized I was a shit coiner and I came
back to bitcoin that person can now be good uh but yeah it depends on where they are at the moment
to be that how somebody should look at them they shouldn't they should not look at the past really
we talk about this a lot on the on the show this this issue with resting on your credentials
being appeal to authority right isn't that like an entire type of fallacy an individual can commit
yeah it's hard because so one of my questions for you is is it dangerous to refer or to suggest
that bitcoin is fallible in some way or another because so many people see this this currency as
as a savior you know what i mean like we look at the world around us it's ran by
gay retards essentially and they're collapsing everything fiat money is collapsing everything
they're inflating it uh to infinity society's crumbling people need a sense of certainty they
need a sense of hope bitcoin comes along and then portland huddle is suggesting that it's not
perfect and infallible is that a dangerous thing to present into
i you i would i would like to respond um i've actually i think demonstrated the opposite
and what i mean by that is though i have uh attempted to poke prod and find weaknesses in
bitcoin there have not been any there's been no i have not been able to stop a block i have not
been able to break a signature. I've not been able to take funds from an individual. That is the
beauty of this journey is every single thing I have discovered or found has been a minor
inconvenience to somebody in terms of mempool policy or your max target upload for the amount
of data you can send per day. But nothing has actually broken Bitcoin. And so from a technical
perspective, Bitcoin is probably one of the most infallible pieces of software we have as humanity.
Released once and it's literally just continuing to work every single day. The node Satoshi had on
his laptop, I built and ran that version of Bitcoin. Today, connected it up without any
code modifications, you will sync to the exact same chain tip. One release of a piece of software
and it just works. Unbelievable. I do believe Bitcoin is close to infallible as software.
The social aspects of Bitcoin are a very different issue.
I think people are fallible.
People can use Bitcoin in insanely fallible ways.
The incentives ultimately align to make bad actors go broke.
And then the final component of like, what is the fallible aspect of Bitcoin?
Like where is the potential like boogeyman in the room?
I would say that it's mining pools and Bitmain.
Those are the only two things.
I think literally the incentives also solve this problem as well.
because even if they get centralized so much
and a bad thing happens,
number goes down, less profitable,
more companies spring in to basically pick up the pieces.
It all works out long-term.
That's my belief.
And that's why I think it's okay
to test and improve Bitcoin every single day.
So yes, Bitcoin,
I don't think anybody should say Bitcoin is dead,
quote unquote.
Bitcoin's not dead.
I do not think Bitcoin is dying.
I think Bitcoin is stronger than ever.
With that said,
yeah, there are like little points
that you could point out that aren't perfect.
I want to push back a little bit
because you say,
and nobody's questioning your technical chops
or your expertise here,
but even though you were not able to find a way
to harm Bitcoin and to break Bitcoin,
UDI and some of the ordinal NKC ordinals
were able to find it.
And they were able to find a way to break Bitcoin using spam.
So how do you address that if spam breaks Bitcoin?
So the argument that Bitcoin has been broken specifically by UDI because of spam, I rest on the definition of breaking Bitcoin being you are able to stop the Bitcoin network from operating.
Not by controlling who is buying block space or what is the contents of block space.
It's if you can actually get the network to stop producing blocks or break a block to the point where it's not valid anymore.
Like you actually crashed the software out.
So with that said, though Udi created an environment by using spam ordinals and inscriptions, if you define it that way, he only created a fee market that because Bitcoin is a free market and miners are rational, profit-seeking actors, took these quote-unquote spam transactions.
the other actors on the network were not wanting to bid as much to buy that block space.
So Bitcoin was 100% never broken by Udi.
I think that is a completely false claim.
I think it may have been used as part of like an outrage marketing campaign
to probably try to get people interested in his collections of JPEGs.
So no, Bitcoin to my definition was never broken by ordinals or inscriptions.
Everything functioned perfectly.
And if we just zoom all the way out, the beautiful part, how are ordinals doing today?
How are these ordinals and runes, et cetera?
Well, they're not gone.
And I would say that some of these people, the loudest critics of booty and ordinals,
would say, but I think Bitcoin is broken if it is gay.
And if these fee markets for ordinals make Bitcoin gay, then it might as well be broken
because I don't want to use gay money.
I, as a developer,
have a tough time determining
how to define
what kind of spam makes Bitcoin.
How did the spam make Bitcoin gay?
I don't have a technical definition for you.
I would just go off of what
the Supreme Court has said in the past.
I know it when I see it.
I can't describe it to you,
but I know it when I see it.
Yeah, so but it's like all of a sudden your view of Bitcoin is changing into like a more gay view.
And that's up to you whether or not you like it.
But it seems like it's like more of a negative thing that's become gay because of these spam transactions.
The fact is, though, it kind of like the actual effect of it is mitigated by the fact the attacker or quote unquote the person making these things runs out of money.
And that's what's happening right now.
Now, these spam transactions, they're still there, yes, because people are putting this content on chain.
But with that said, you can easily outbid it today.
So if you want to transfer a transaction, you can do 0.5 sats per VBite below any previous possible threshold before July.
You could never do a fee this low until this year on Bitcoin.
So with that said, if you want it to be a little less gay, as you say, you got to pay up.
you got to pay for that block space and turn it around but that's the thing of bitcoin is
permissionless you can do make bitcoin what you want bitcoin to be what your money i thought your
money where your mouth is yeah and and did up those those blocks um richard did you have a
question i wanted to let you go on this train of thought because i've got a a different topic
um so it's but what about the the fact that this spam it builds up and it makes it harder
for people in the global south to run to be a node runner i mean i think about when i was
when i was 13 years old i got namster i waited four days to download the middle by jimmy world
on a 28k Earthlink connection.
TikTok Zoomers, Broccoli haircut kids,
they don't have the patience to wait a week
to download a node if they need to be sovereign
and have permissionless access.
Sensor-sip resistant money,
they don't have time to wait a couple days
to download a node.
How do we solve that if these spammers
are filling it with a gay history?
They don't want to download a gay history
on the blockchain.
oh that's that's that first of all let's address two things here first of all the type of content
on the blockchain so that you cannot control it's a permissionless system if you absolutely cannot
have that specific type of content you can do one thing basically you can run a pruned bitcoin node
aka you download the blocks and even whatever content they have in them you'll throw away
after you're done so you can you can kind of you can put this on your system for a little bit it's
in RAM, but it goes away. The second thing is like, okay, let's talk about the reality. Has spam
actually like made node running worse? The answer is to a slight degree. Yes. Because of the fact
that the average block size, the amount of data being added each time a new block is mined did
increase for a period of about like a year and a half. Thanks to the bounds of Bitcoin, which is
four megabytes per block. You can't go past that. Like that's the hard limit. Bitcoin,
if you are running a Bitcoin node, you have to think adversarially. You need to run a node
expecting the worst case scenario. Somebody could do four megabyte, four megabyte, four megabyte,
four megabyte. But overall, the actual time chain itself is growing at a rate which is barely
noticeable compared to a different noticeably, barely noticeably different compared to the past.
That's my statement on that.
It's like, nobody has provably shown that the spam has made Bitcoin node runners any worse off materially.
So that's what I'd say.
To clarify, thinking adversarily when you're running a node, is that just for a economic node?
Or is that for a virtuous voting node too?
Or is it all nodes?
Oh, okay.
So an economic node is a virtuous voting node.
There's no difference.
Like economic influence is one of the pillars of like influence in Bitcoin where you have
quote unquote voting rights if you could think about it in any concept.
And yeah, at the end of the day, you need to think adversarially when you have any amount
of money invested in running a Bitcoin node or if you could potentially have any expenses
related to running a Bitcoin node.
Example, AWS, right?
Like if you have a monthly bill,
you should have some like investment
to making sure this thing doesn't like uncap loss you
to the end of time.
Also, like if you're storing your money in a hardware wallet,
you want to make sure your node
is absolutely at the correct chain tip.
As such, think adversarial.
How could somebody distribute a bad binary?
Why not just build it from source?
Is your copy of Umbral like legit?
Like just very basic checks
can prevent a lot of pain and hardship
and it becomes much more important
like not just node running but wallets specifically like anybody out there like just always
if you're using a software wallet do not trust that wallet on a desktop computer always look
at the outputs on your hardware wallet to make sure the addresses are correct but in terms of
the bitcoin node like how do you have you you mentioned the term like voting and virtues
Bitcoin nodes in of themselves have no influence, no voting rights per se.
Running a node does not give you the right to vote for anything.
The reason why is let me take the scenario of I run an AWS account and I have a lot of capital.
Let's say like $10,000.
I could spool up probably 2,000, 3,000 Bitcoin nodes and put them on the network.
we have 20
let's say we have 20,000 nodes
does that give me roughly one sixth of the voting rights on the Bitcoin network do I suddenly just get each my node raises its little node hand and goes I like this software OpsiTV No that
absolutely not the case. Bitcoin is rough consensus. As such, your node, quote unquote,
its ability to have influence on the network depends on the scaling factor of your economic
influence or hash rate. What I mean by that, you can either one, mine with that Bitcoin node with
your hash rate, and then you get to influence the contents of what is being written to the
Bitcoin time chain.
That is amazing.
That's where a lot of the policy disagreements actually come from, is the fact these miners
have so much influence relative to the just kind of relay nodes on the network in terms
of what gets put in blocks.
And that's purely because mining nodes are the only ones that can put anything into blocks,
right?
And then the other way is economic force.
Okay, my example on this one is, let's say I, Portland HODL, run a hamburger shop in El Salvador.
Okay, and so this hamburger shop takes Bitcoin and Lightning payments, and I am really opposed to OpCTV.
This is a pretty brutal example, but I'm going to use it anyways.
And I go on Twitter, I say, hey, my hamburger shop, we don't like OpCTV, we want our money to stay the same.
It's got to be really, really solid.
And we don't trust the proposal after reviewing it.
Okay.
So, great.
Everybody's going to go, that's a nothing burger.
I don't care that much.
It may get a few retweets, etc.
But what happens when an economic node that controls billions of dollars worth of Bitcoin
wants to make a decision?
A BlackRock or, for example, a Coinbase.
And they say, we support CTV.
Then a lot of people get involved.
because of the fact that their money is tied up with these institutions.
In the case of, for example, BlackRock, IBIT,
it literally says in the prospectus of their ETF,
in the event of a fork in Bitcoin,
we select the version of Bitcoin to be the holdings of the actual fund itself,
and we will liquidate the other side of the fork.
That node runner right there has tons of influence
to decide a complete liquidation event of hundreds of thousands of Bitcoin
as well as the direction of the next fork
because everybody's got their value locked in this thing.
So that's kind of my point.
It's like just running a node
or spooling up a bunch of nodes
for the sake of having nodes
does not do anything
other than make the Bitcoin time chain more available.
Yeah, I do think though
that it is also fundamentally,
it depends on like what you're talking about
is like the actual incentives,
how they play out on chain.
But there is a little bit of a second layer, whether, you know, the cultural second layer.
You can't have, you know, Matthew Cratter recommends Start9, for example.
So a lot of the nodes runners have been buying.
If you pay $900 for a Start9 node server, that is an economic decision.
That is a political decision.
So you have to take that into account.
Like, Start9 is selling so many nodes.
It does tell you something about the seriousness of these Nots people to make this decision.
Yeah.
And to that, I would say that running a node is amazing.
And you're also creating economic influence for Start9.
And Start9 has used their influence.
For example, they have created now a Nots download and even publicly stated on their Twitter,
like hey we we kind of like are into this now and we were kind of like really saying like hey you
have this option really pushing it with that said though like think about it like you buy this 900
node from start nine okay your your bitcoin journey has began okay let's get you started
we're going to do a lightning we're going to run some lightning channels some lnd etc
cool you're doing a lot of spam let's put it that way you can't send a lot of spam we can handle it
But yeah, you're not going to have a problem.
If you get to start 9, I don't think you're going to have a problem downloading the time chain,
as long as it's not the Raspberry Pi variant.
But regardless, you get this node, and Bitcoin is getting serious.
It's soft work time.
What influence do you have as that node runner?
What can you do?
You're pinned up against the wall.
These devs have told you you're going to drink CTV whether or not you like it.
What can you do with your $900 node?
well first of all you can handle uh ibd downloads so you're a little bit more fortified but
you can you know you can refuse to filter their spam or to relay their spam their transactions so
they can't they can't go through you that's it that's the only thing yeah well there's there's
one other there's the there's the ultimate option as a node runner you can say that hey i don't want
to accept the block that you've produced as the miner you the miner the miner pushes down your
nodes throughout the ctv block i'm using ctv as an example because most people know what it is
hopefully but like your node you can say hey i'm done no more and you can say i don't want this
block the problem then becomes your node is stalled out it's not taking any more blocks because
you're refusing to build on top of the chain tip.
You have no economic influence.
You can't cry to anybody saying like,
hey, I forked off the network
because I didn't want this block in there.
Like that's why economic influence matters.
Because if somebody forks Coinbase off, right?
Like let's say Coinbase forks off
because they invalidate.
That situation becomes much different
because now people have tons of value
locked up in this exchange
that their chain tip isn't moving forward anymore.
Miners probably have some investment in this.
And so this interaction is what really is the meat and potatoes.
But buying a $900 start nine is an amazing educational tool.
And I'm saying this for any node specifically.
You can learn how to be a Bitcoiner.
And a node is the first touchpoint.
And one of the very few touchpoints you can have to actually feel Bitcoin.
You're doing something with this invisible money.
And that's really good.
That's actually like if you look at my history as Portland Odle, I got started with run a node.
Like literally that was I was I was hey, run a node.
I would help people with Bitcoin tech support was my first spaces I ran.
I ran every week on Monday, Bitcoin tech support and I'd help people with their nodes.
And so with that, though, I also had like my initial fallacy was I literally said the quote, one node, one vote.
that was in my my one of my first twitter spaces because i didn't understand it's your influence
on the bitcoin network through economics or whatever you got to be doing well and i think
that i i don't think there's anything wrong with saying one node one vote because um if if if if
running a node just gives you a vote that ultimately doesn't matter like your vote doesn't matter
voting doesn't matter um it's about how much how much money you control so yeah one node is one vote
but one vote doesn't equal one vote in terms of influence on the actual network.
It's really like the scale of that vote per se.
Yeah, I guess you could say you're voting with your node,
but the amount of vote you get is very different.
You're voting with your node, but most people that have power are voting with their wallet.
And if your wallet doesn't control a lot of UTXOs, well, nobody cares what your opinion is.
That's a little bit tricky as well, though, because what value?
Okay, let's talk economic influence, like how running a node affects somebody, even with a ton of Bitcoin here.
I'm going to give the example.
You are Satoshi, okay?
And you run an economic node, a start nine, you got, and you connect Sparrow over Tor, and you're still remaining.
You're completely a non.
Okay.
Again, Bitcoin is changing.
The fork is happening.
What can you do?
What influence do you have right now?
Like with your node, what's the only thing you can do?
I think one of the primary things you can do is you can tweet about that you have a node that
you're node runner and it gives you a sense of credibility when you're arguing with people on
the internet well technically yeah I guess you could do that but it's not going to have a whole
lot of influence per se the most you could say is like hey I'm going to dump these coins
and I will create a negative market event and then if you guys don't go with it and even then
like your node can get forked off the network and you wouldn't be able to dump your coins because
you forked you still have to follow the fork to dump your coins unless you dump it free yeah sorry
i'm done no no you're right you're right so i my point is not so much that uh if you control all
the bitcoin like you control the network however if michael saylor what the fork that michael
saylor cheeses it should it come down to something like this it will so he is but michael saylor
doesn't run a node so he doesn't even have to have a node to to vote he's probably he's boxing
to Coinbase.
No, yeah, he's going to rely on Coinbase or the federal government will be like, hey,
Michael, we have a start nine for you.
And that will be Michael's node.
He'll have his start nine and he'll just kind of probably trust and don't verify on that
one.
And he's going to follow whatever orders he's told because any individual in Bitcoin, like
working for Mara, which is a publicly traded company, you should always assume that those
Bitcoin are captured.
In a moment's notice, if the government says, you're giving us the keys, they will comply.
But there is a value to running a node, even if it's not so powerful in the democracy, on-chain democracy.
But what about the problems of just, you know, I'm running a node to send a political message and I got my umbrella and I do my knots node.
And then, you know, maybe I don't use it for a couple of years.
But then this comes to a point where I do need to use it.
And because I need to use my node, I need to be transact on chain sovereignly.
it's probably a bad climate outside of my subnet in my house here.
There's probably reasons that I'm doing this out of the blue.
I haven't used it for years.
How do I know I'm not just being surrounded by Fed nodes
who are going to screw me over when I try to use this for the first time?
So from the actual software that Bitcoin is,
you do validate the rules that your node has installed in Bitcoin core or nots on your start
nine. So you can guarantee that even if the nodes are these fed nodes have surrounded your node,
all your peers are just feds. You know, you're at least getting a source of truth on that node.
The other note as well is that you could use the whole thing becomes that point, like a privacy
thing. So I guess I'll elaborate a little bit further. Censorship potentially as well. So maybe
the Fed nodes could be running like a blocks only or a malicious node set. So your transaction
doesn't get broadcast. Then you can mail it to somebody, use mempool.space, broadcast your
transaction because you don't actually need to use your node to send transactions. You only need
to get your node to the chain tip to spend your UTXO in that case. You just need to be able to sync
the IBD. Your peers, if they're malicious Fed nodes, could maybe, well, I guess let's make the
joke here. They could ask for a bunch of IBDs and run your Comcast bill up. So that could be a
problem. But I would just suggest maybe you could call up Comcast or maybe you'll just take the
warning with Stride. You'll just be like, hey, my bad. One month, I just got to get this transaction
out. I'm going to be downloading with my start nine here. And then the other thing is ultimately
privacy. So like, okay, you're surrounded by Fed nodes. Your IP is already completely doxed.
They already know who you are. They're listening to you for a reason. You're done. You need to use
Tor at that point. You need to use real manly privacy tools, like actual mountain man, go get
your Tor connection set up. I think Start9 actually uses Tor by default and bypass these
clear net privacy
issues that are created
because your IP address is associated
with your ISP, can be associated with your
name as well.
Yeah.
It would suck though.
Go ahead.
Well, I still want to segue into a different topic,
but if you want to continue on this one,
feel free to.
No, feel free to segue.
I saw it on this one. Yeah, just basically use privacy if you're surrounded by
Fed nodes. Just set up
a Tor connection or an I2P.
and then you can bypass most of that.
Just don't use the default,
hey, I'm going to use my Comcast connection to go out.
So what we've really been learning
from a lot of the arguing online recently
is that this is not much of a technical discussion or argument.
It's a very social-based argument and discussion.
There seems to be a growing rift
between the podcasters and the developers.
podcasters developers miners they oftentimes clash with each other for a variety of reasons
but they're they're all part of the bitcoin security model they all secure the network in
in various ways the podcasters bring users in market demand to bitcoin so that the miners can
mine profitably so the developers can receive funding there's justification for it they're
they're all important.
Do you,
do you see,
I actually see the replacement of developers with podcasters long-term.
I think that the,
the,
the problem with developers,
even like our,
our podcast today,
it's,
they're,
they're hard to communicate with.
Like you,
you have like this different species right now,
like on stage and the podcasters can communicate very clearly,
like excellent audio quality.
They,
they know how to handle PR with individuals.
They know how to,
how to relate.
the issue with devs,
as we've seen with specifically like Bitcoin core,
they didn't relate to the people.
They didn't have a podcaster out there to represent Bitcoin core.
And look at what happened.
They got absolutely crushed.
So their credibility is trashed.
It's gone.
They do have podcasters kind of springing up to,
to represent core now.
So you've got Stefan Levera,
you got Shinobi,
you know,
Did you see that podcast that Shinobi did with Gloria?
No, I did not.
I've been pretty lax on my 40 hours a week.
I apologize.
It was pretty good.
They did it at the MIT Bitcoin Expo,
and it was the first time that I learned that Gloria didn't have a beard.
And so that was a pretty shocking moment for me.
I feel like that was a pretty important piece of information to know.
I think a lot of podcast listeners would benefit from knowing that Gloria doesn't have a beard.
No, Gloria does not have a beard, as the Twitter profile would suggest.
I don't know why that specific photo was chosen, but here we are.
I mean, I can understand why.
I think it's hard being a woman in a lot of circumstances in Bitcoin.
I mean, you see this historically.
like people like jk rowling they use pen names in order to not deal with the the scrutiny or the
stigma around like women authors and i feel like it's a similar thing with uh submitting
uh code people people put into question they're like you're a woman you're young and you're hot
why are you in this position do you deserve to be in this position whereas like man like the beard
in a lot of ways acts as kind of like that that pen name of bringing legitimacy to her to her code
because the problem is a lot of people don't take the time to or aren't capable of of reading and
critically analyzing her contributions so they yeah i mean i i think the beard is is very useful
but at the same time you know i think people would also benefit from knowing that she's hot
But not some right, not runners can't code.
They can't read codes.
They can't read the code or see her history, her GitHub history and respect her, her experiences, skill.
But the beard lets them now like, oh, OK, I should list.
This is a this is an account with authority.
Yeah, they can't read the code, but they can they can read her LinkedIn profile.
Well, they also use the same code that's written by Gloria in Bitcoin Knotts because they take Bitcoin Core and they apply patches to it to make it Knotts.
It's literally Bitcoin Core at the core with a fun new GUI to use with more sliders and more selectors.
Yeah.
Well, I think that, so kind of go back to the original question I was asking.
So you were talking about how the podcasters are going to become developers.
I think what has become super clear is the importance of public relations in general.
Yes, absolutely.
And what I mean by podcasters are going to replace developers, I'm being facetious here to a degree because it's a fun podcast to be on here.
But at the end of the day, look at the contributions Mechanic has created to society's perception of Bitcoin and node running in general without any technical background on that.
So Mechanic doesn't contribute code.
He doesn't put in the work to make Bitcoin secure or make that machine tick.
But he also has the authority to tell people exactly how everything should work.
And so he's conjuring into reality his own version of Bitcoin.
So with that said, podcasters, I think, will become sort of like wizards of Bitcoin, where
they get so much influence through their ability to communicate that they will conjure the
version of Bitcoin that they see best fit.
And the people that want or that listen to these podcasts will then become the apparatus
or the instruments of execution.
to help achieve, to basically make that a reality for these podcasters.
So the podcasters are going to become the devs,
and then the devs are just going to become the labor, basically.
That's kind of my thought on how podcasting interfaces with Bitcoin
is the actual pillars of security of Bitcoin,
or the influence of Bitcoin, you have the devs, the miners,
and the economic actors.
That's actually going to just become miners, economic actors, and podcasters.
And then so we're seeing like the effect of podcasting and like Bitcoin has become now like the term suit coiner is very thrown around so loosely in Bitcoin communities.
The podcasters are the interface between the capital that NGU enjoyers so much want and covet, right?
They want that NGU.
Like I'm okay with losing a little bit of cypherpunk for that.
The podcasters will be that interface going forward, and the devs will execute the podcasters' requests, all leading to that NGU, the incentives of Bitcoin, and that's it.
So podcasters are the devs.
I agree, and I don't think there's anything facetious about that observation because I read a good tweet where somebody, and everybody agreed with it, so it must be true,
that the most popular programming language in 10 years
will be the English language because of AI.
It won't be C++.
It won't be Rust.
It won't be Python.
And you said it yourself.
The devs are not to communicate.
The podcasters are the ones who articulate the vision
using the English language for the most part on podcasts.
And so naturally, the apex articulate English speakers
will be the ones who control Bitcoin.
And our vision, the pod,
the 40 hours per week vision,
wherever that is,
will take over.
It won't be Rust Bitcoin.
It'll be podcast Bitcoin.
It's going to be a slow, painful journey
for a lot of devs
that have to get canceled along the way.
But it's happening right now.
There's nothing like...
We are seeing this and witnessing it real time.
It's not learning to code.
Until the Cypher mode culture comes back,
podcasters are your devs.
it's not learn to code it's learn to podcast learn to english just interface with the ai just that's
all you got to do like podcasters with a like you kind of brought in a new dimension to this with
artificial intelligence at some point the podcasters may not even need devs to execute
their visions any longer they will just go to chat gpt and ask i would like a more restrictive
policy in my node i would like to block a specific node my comcast users have been affected i need
to protect them and the ai will write this node software to do everything the podcaster wishes the podcasters are the summoners of bitcoin Absolutely I mean I think we leading the way on this trend
We may have been the first Bitcoin podcasters
to have our own Bitcoin implementation with BugleCore.
So real quick, can you go over?
I haven't ran the BugleCore software.
What did you guys do differently than BitcoinCore?
And why did you guys decide to fork?
As a dev, I've always wondered, what was it that made you diverge?
We were the first Bitcoin implementation to merge Peter Todd's poll request, the op return poll request.
We did it because we were tired of waiting.
We wanted less restrictive relay policy because we are journalists.
We support free speech.
and we felt it was important.
Yeah.
So I got to throw it out there though.
I was the first one to remove
op return limits from
the Bitcoin core implementation
at Marathon for Slipstream.
We were the first
podcasters to do it.
We were the first
open source.
You did it for a commercial.
First open source implementation fulfilling Satoshi's true vision
versus this closed source
empire-like corporation.
One question is, you know, people are upset about the potential of having a big Comcast bill.
But can you talk about, and we kind of alluded to this, you know, if you're going to run a node, if you're going to be on the network, if you want to make this impact, whatever impact you're trying to have,
know that there are vulnerabilities,
risks, that there's things you have to think about other than
spam. Because the Nodd people,
they have spam derangement syndrome is what I've been calling it.
But there's other threats out there that they might not be thinking about.
What kind of mindset mentality do you need to have
to go into being a Node Runner? It's not just a LARP.
It's a serious thing.
So in terms of just being a Bitcoin node runner,
pretty much you should just...
I actually don't think the average user needs to worry as much
about specific elements because of the fact that
a lot of the devs have done the lifting of poking it before them
to make sure that these things don't negatively impact them.
They can't have specific transactions happen
that make their node not work or a specific block request, etc.
And so, yeah, as a node runner, the most important thing is like focus on your privacy and just in general, just use your node, keep up to date, like watch this thing and interface with it.
That's the most important thing.
But as somebody who wants to actually like improve and make nodes better, you got to actually look at code.
You actually got to review.
You got to push Bitcoin to its limits.
And that's what I do. That's like my whole philosophy is that I want to find the points
where Bitcoin can be improved for global adoption of Bitcoin as money for miners, node runners,
and just it's going to work without question. And by doing that, like I've come up with some
pretty interesting like little vectors that are problematic for Bitcoin. An example would be on
my Twitter. I have the Poison Blocks, the Mempool Anarchist Cookbook that is actually like a really
bad Bitcoin transaction that can happen right now that we need to patch out. The poking and like,
I didn't actually attack any Comcast nodes, but I brought it up in discussion. That was a pain
point people realized like, oh, wow, like nobody had really thought about this. But you need to
think like your adversary in Bitcoin is permissionless. Anybody can use it. So if you are on one of
these limited connections, okay, can the software itself determine ahead of time? And that's like
something people are now thinking about. Can we create a version of Bitcoin that will automatically
determine if you have data caps or not so that it'll automatically limit that upload. But if
you're running a node, you do need to understand like, hey, the Bitcoin time chain is huge. You're
downloading stuff for sometimes days at a time. And if you have a limited Comcast connection that
has 1.2 terabytes a month before you get your warning, you will blow through 800 gigabytes of
that or two thirds with one piece of software. So as a node runner, you need to think about like
your own individual circumstances, but the majority of these things are handled. I have just went out
onto the fringes and found something that a select few nodes may be impacted by.
Yeah, I think there's the, you know, my neural business. I think that there's a lot of node
runners who for the majority of them should just mine their own node just mine your own node and uh
didn't stop worrying so much about these theoretical potential future threats to bitcoin
just mind your own node and you go from there which yeah that's basically the way nodes work
like in general there's of course fringes and the because bitcoin is so marginal and what i mean by
that is like it is relatively stable bitcoin is the same rough thing it was 15 years ago
any little deviation from that can create a new cycle somebody literally just finds some specific
like comcast thing for a user that that shouldn't i'm a i'm a nobody on twitter that shouldn't have
blown up because nobody should have cared if i didn't say anything nobody had noticed because
nothing even happened but like yeah that that's the ultimate point is that very small things devs
can have huge influence because of the fact everybody is seeking with a $2 trillion asset
the latest thing that's happened on something that's 15 years old.
So for example, as well, you've recently had it kind of stir up in Bitcoin Core,
literally calling one group, calling for a credibility crisis, corrupt core, etc.,
for changing the value of op return that gets relayed on the network per Bitcoin core version
30, not even removing the option. But regardless, the statements made have been like, hey,
this is going to break Bitcoin, etc. That is completely false. It's on the margin,
a nothing burger that gets blown out of proportion because it's the topic of the day. It's the only
interesting thing that I believe anybody could find. And you can see that how volatile this is
during these specific events by how distracted individuals get with like bigger fish. And what
I mean by that is like, okay, X thing happens, blows out a proportion on Twitter, and then
somebody else does something even remotely slightly bigger that is still to me pretty
uninteresting. And that becomes the new topic because of the fact that the attention has shifted.
It's moved on. It was nothing burger in the first place. It was just a point. It was a wedge. It's
something you can put in, something you discuss. It's engagement. And on every side of all of this,
I'm just going to say, there's money being made. If you run a pool, you can make money by running
a loose mempool policy. We've seen literally miners increase their profitability by accepting
more transactions through these non-standard, non-gossip channels. Okay. Well, what about the
other side? If you run a tight mempool policy, go say that you're saving Bitcoin through relay
policy like you're going to get more members it's like everybody the podcasters are the ultimate
winners they get content all the time so like it's the only people that i would say are true
like in the middle like not getting a ton is those that aren't learning and just sitting through these
kind of discussions without using their their life's time like you should be learning about
you should be critically thinking but everybody had an incentive to make this drama happen every
single side did my my final point on this topic is that you know we learned this in spaces earlier
today some shit coiner came in and was telling us all these threats to bitcoin it's like i've heard
them all years ago this is also if you want to to scream at the top of your lungs for everybody to
hear that you found a new you know vulnerability or a new thing that breaks bitcoin or a new threat
the bitcoin h i i'm not listening to you unless you listen to 40 hours per week unless you listen
to 40 hours per week and i know like if you haven't go listen and it's probably been addressed
already this is probably known just calm down and if you're not listening to bitcoin podcast it's
just like i don't have time to listen to all the threats that you you found on twitter that are a
threat to bitcoin it's just listen go listen to the podcast what is what does it mean i i have i
found bitcoin and i'm here to fix it like that is a very common thing it's just the new perspective
you finally looked at the elephant from the lens you have and you've decided i can fix the rest of
the pieces i don't understand like that is so incredibly common in bitcoin absolutely well on
topic of using uh bitcoin as money that's a even controversial statement in of itself but we're big
believers in that here at the bugle one thing that we do before
or at the end of every show is we go through our fountain booths so we're big big supporters of the
value for value economy i think who's the biggest winner of the drama is podconf the podcast
conference industrial complex is the winner one of the ways to disintermediate podconf
is the value for value ecosystem 100 it is uh
when they try to distract you with the latest thing the current thing uh sometimes you have to
go because when you have to to go subterranean you have to go to the value value the intellectual
Silk Road, Noster, group chats,
retreat from the timeline.
They're jamming you.
It's a psychological warfare.
But the signal is real
on the Fountain Boost timeline.
Absolutely.
So for our last episode,
I don't think you had an opportunity
to listen to it because you've been
a busy guy.
You're busy arguing.
You're busy coding.
The last episode we did
with my good friend open mic he runs a company called tunster which is a streaming platform for
musicians to be able to earn bitcoin so one of the problems with uh there's a lot of problems
that musicians are facing as far as being able to earn income uh when you're street adding a live
stream to all your live events and you have the potential to earn hundreds or thousands of dollars
from people watching it around the world.
It really is a value add for Bitcoin.
I think it's a, or sorry, a value add for the musician.
I think it's a really cool project that I'm a big fan of.
Have you heard of Toonster?
I have not heard of Toonster.
Are you a musician or do you like music?
I do love music.
But with that said, it's classical music.
So typically my music flavor is going to YouTube
and finding some longer stretch
and then just programming while I listen to that.
I'm a big classical music fan as well.
Who are some of your favorites?
I like Bach particularly.
Okay.
Yeah, I've been...
Let me look at...
I'm looking at my playlist.
My classical playlist.
I've been listening to a lot of Tchaikovsky.
What do you like about Bach?
uh specifically i just feel like in general just it is easy to listen to and it's not super slow
and in like i don't know i just i just like the style that's all i can say on that i'm not an
aficionado i typically just put on the playlists and i've noticed that those are the most common
ones that i will end up bookmarking very cool um but yeah that was that that's kind of a summary of
a conversation that we had last or a couple weeks now uh but yeah first boost of the show
shadrack our good friend uh very cool guy 323 sats says woo exclamation point times four lfg
hashtag 40 hpw thank you shadrack the next one is uh it's from rev hodl up there in michigan on
the homestead uh he boosted 1 121 sats he said i look forward to toonster trl which was uh my idea
for bringing like carson daly trl to toonster and having a top 10 countdown but uh we can all send
in our groupie videos from the local bitcoin eatups instead of times square any of those
local bitcoiners out there can come hang with me at the south bend indiana bitcoin eat up the first
thursday every month at laying the lab 6 30 p.m learn something earn something share something
buy something build relationships and resilience with local bitcoiners who cast our uh our vote
for the best music in all of bitcoin culture while we're at it so thank you rev huddle rev
huddle is uh he easy he uses the boost section uh to comment and always to uh have us read it
an ad for his local Bitcoin meetup there in South Bend, Indiana.
I've never been to South Bend.
I like Indiana a lot.
I've never been to South Bend, but I just like Notre Dame quite a bit.
I think they're a bunch of arrogant assholes.
They always start, like we're getting into the football season,
sports ball season is starting folks,
and Notre Dame probably has a much higher ranking than they deserve, again, as always.
It's what happens when you're the premier Catholic sports ball team
and there's over a billion Catholics.
It's a rigged system where they always rank Notre Dame way higher
to get the Catholics to watch sports ball.
You got to sell the advertisements to advertisers for sure.
But it's cool that, how does Bitcoin fix Notre Dame getting unfair coverage on ESPN?
I don't know.
I don't have an answer to that.
No.
Portland, are you a sports ball fan?
No, absolutely not.
I don't even, like, ESPN, Notre Dame, like, I know ESPN is sports ball channel,
and Notre Dame, soccer team?
I have no clue on any of this.
so notre dame like their their big thing is uh football ah
football soccer globally kind of correct no i'm just kidding uh no i have no clue on that i
apologize so you never were much of a sports ball person growing up like did you never ever
did you uh what did you do growing up oh what i did growing up um i was i did a lot of motocross
as like a kid right and um i was always into specifically legos and um like electronic gizmos
but in my fifth grade year that's when all that changed i forget which age that correlates to
but i uh built my first computer from scratch that year and then i was like then i became like
okay let's keep building and like overclocking and like that's all i did was just like modify
computers and write code and just have fun you know and that that's that became my passion like
from there on out i i never had time or cared about sports specifically because i i just don't
understand it like i don't want to take the time to understand the rules i don't understand that
the emotions people feel like people get very riled up about these these people throwing a ball
around and i just never have been able to recapture that level of an endorsement rush
from a guy running across a white line or something like that
yeah i built computers growing up that's what i did i wonder if that plays into the conflict that
you're having with the podcasters right now um baba 10 000 sat says from an old fat musician
songwriter you want a crowd feeds off a crowd it's called excitement first off nostor will most
likely never be mainstream it's too privacy oriented therefore when an artist stays niche
they should expect a niche crowd the music business has always been about business sadly
it should be treated as such which most artists are not business oriented they need help you don't
become the Rolling Stones on your own.
V4Free is a great idea for music,
but change is mostly a decade plus at best.
Most of the folks on V4V music won't last a D case,
only for monetary purposes.
But again, until Nostra becomes simple and mainstream,
they will never find a crowd.
If they are good, they need TikTok, Instant, YouTube
to get popular enough to go out and tour.
it's numbers game sorry not sorry always the optimist baba baba he's great but baba is an
artist baba is a songwriter baba was a musician um and he is you know i tried to say some of those
things a little bit uh softer but uh baba will put it to you exactly how he sees it i think he
made a lot of really good points with it you know it's like a lot of musicians are not good
business people they need jews behind the scene this is why the jews control the music industry
it's not some elaborate conspiracy it's just that jews tend to be good at business it's the same
thing devs are oftentimes aren't the best communicators so they need podcasters
very it's just it's a thing well thank you for the boost baba really appreciate it uh
yeah I don't know if Noster's going to become mainstream
I like what's happening on Noster
though I'm enjoying it but I guess we're
kind of a niche podcast
you have to listen to 40 hours per
week to actually understand what the hell we're talking
about which is kind of a big ask
for normal people that prefer
to watch sports ball instead
alright
Avi Burra
10,000 sats thank you Avi
open mic is the face
of the value for value revolution.
That's right.
The teenster is
and there's not much else out there
and they're building something cool.
I think to change the world,
sometimes you just have to be a crazy person
and do things not just because
everybody else sees it.
A lot of times you have the vision for something
and you just go with it
and the market follows.
uh eventually but sorry a lot of times it doesn't but it takes crazy people to do like
do things like that maybe mike's crazy i don't know he seems pretty rational to me i like him a
lot well thank you do you know uh avi portland you ever no i don't i've never interacted he's a
great guy he's got he's got the biggest like nostril oriented podcast the plug chain radio
very active. I actually should listen to that. That is, that's, that seems really cool.
Are you, are you ever active on Noster? Uh, Noster, not so much as I have quite a few gripes
with the UI UX and specifically I do have an account. I actually, I did the first grinding
of an in pub. And what that means is like my in pub is actually in pub seven, seven, seven, seven,
7777 and then a bunch of digits because I use my computer to try random private keys until I got
that vanity URL. But in terms of my experience with Noster, specifically using Amethyst on Android
as my client and Snort Not Social, and this was probably about a year ago, overall just like lots
of issues loading content, things crashing, and I feel that the discussion is a little bit narrow
and scope for compared to like what I like to see.
I like to see a lot of Bitcoin content from Bitcoin developers in addition to a lot of
general developer content as well.
So I can kind of like combine these ideas of like, hey, like this programming language
has now implemented X feature.
Can I use this to build on Bitcoin?
I'm always looking to make those kinds of links.
I just don't see enough of that on Noster with a bad UI, UX.
I kind of just, I understand its potential.
I just am not it not where I want to be at the moment so what year did you get into Bitcoin roughly What do you mean by get into
Because there's like a couple touch points,
like actually understand it or like first touched sat.
I guess first touch it.
First touch it was 2010.
Okay, so very early on.
And then like, when did you get really interested?
Actually like convicted 2018.
like I uh before I had done like lots of bitcoin mining and so from gpus to asics and then every
like I sold all the time and from there like 2013 was the first big one liquidated the whole stack
price went down massively I think like 200 160 dollars I literally said it was a scam I was very
young I didn't understand what bitcoin is for I didn't even understand the power of what bitcoin
is. I literally thought it was a get rich quick scheme. Okay. Exit Bitcoin. Don't even touch it.
Don't even think about it for years. 2016 rolls around. I'm working in Intel. People are talking
about Bitcoin. Hey, do you want to go in on some miners with one of my coworker? We, uh, we buy
miners, we mine Bitcoin, we sell the miners and we're done. And then, and, uh, sold, I did liquidate
all at that point again. And then the final, like after, after this, I never liquidated Bitcoin again.
And that was in 2018.
I was like, I started like, I did a lot of Linux contribution, sorry, Linux kernel contributions
in 2017.
And I started like actually looking at the Bitcoin code.
And then, yeah, it became like, holy, this is actually really excellent software.
Like this is going to work.
This isn't going to break.
Like I tried figuring out ways to break it and it doesn't break.
So at that point, it's like, okay, Bitcoin has never done me wrong.
I love Bitcoin.
It's really cool.
I know how to mine with it.
And then I just started doing acquisition of Bitcoin personally,
like stacking my sats.
I haven't mined since though,
that,
that 2017.
So you just need like technically like another seven years of Nostra
development to be interested in it for the UX to improve.
Or I got,
I would literally have to go through and actually do the proof of work,
review the Nostra code and go like,
Hey,
this is okay.
Philosophically though,
the incentives are very different.
like bitcoin to me like oh this is gonna get me so much hot water bitcoin fundamentally solves a
problem with humanity and that problem is that nation states can't stop touching the money
printer the temptation to put your hand in the cookie jar and grab unlimited cookies
is always throughout history been a problem every nation has experienced inflation satoshi created
the cure to inflation that seems to me like a bet i want to take to fix humanity and the movement
like i really want to be a part of like that is the fundamental to humans to fix like the amount
of suffering inflation causes is absolutely insane and satoshi just comes out with a fixed
cap supply for an asset that permissionlessly can be moved between person a to person b
that is like that's why i like bitcoin nostr is a different proposition where it benefits me
and it's kind of like censorship free communication but i i don't think i've grasped
like why it's the the movement that change fundamentally changes humanity i think bitcoin
is that i think nostr is very cool i just haven't found and maybe i will why it is a level that i
want to like why even need it at the end of the day like i feel like most of my communication is
not that uh adversarial in nature i if i get deplatformed i trust nostr enough to be around
but at the same time like i i just you just you're not you're just not is into vlogs vlogging uh and
saying good morning as people who are like hardcore nostr users are you know yeah i get it i guess i
I don't know how to dance around the subject.
I just didn't see the proposition.
It incentivized me to use it.
Bitcoin's incentives are very clear.
Yeah, I think a good place to start
is listen to 40 hours of blockchain radio.
How as a dev do you find 40 hours?
When you're fighting AI, the China bots,
everybody's trying to pay you less all the time.
You're getting attacked on Twitter.
i i got i got i got that's a skill issue that i can't listen to 40 hours a week i need to put in
the work that's that's never yeah you caught never never never judge a man until you've
listened to 40 hours of podcasts and his headphones everybody's got time constraints
everybody's got responsibilities family uh they gotta drive out to get raw milk and and beef
tallow from the rancher and out an hour outside the city it's difficult but um yeah everybody's
we still try
to listen 40 hours every week.
And part of the benefit
is figuring out
how to get it done.
Finding that stranded time
to mine for Orange Pilling Stories
on Bitcoin Podcasts.
I think performance
enhancers help a lot.
So smoking cigarettes makes you
more productive at work. You get your work done quicker.
And then
drinking lots of coffee,
you don't have to sleep as much.
I'm a big caffeine guy.
I love caffeinated beverages.
So, coffee.
The one I found out recently was Celsius.
Those were pretty good.
What else?
Yeah, that's my jam.
Drink some caffeine.
I feel amazing.
It just makes life better.
A good cup of coffee?
Or a good cigarette?
Maybe not a cigarette for my case,
but with that said, yeah,
Definitely before coffee, like brain feels slow, very like kind of like agitated.
And then you, you have some caffeine and you're like, Hey, how's your day?
Things are amazing.
Everything's great.
You're just typing away, making stuff.
It's, Oh, it's the best.
I love it.
Absolutely.
All right.
Well, let's blast through these boos pies.
121 cents.
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listeners, boosters, absolute
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on everybody's podcast, commenting
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with the podcaster. He keeps people in
check. He is
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of no nonsense.
He's a Wild West
Wild Guardian, for sure.
Next one,
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Hell yeah. Thank you.
Nostra Gang. Nostra Gang's
in those booths almost every week as well.
Two Angry Cunts Podcast.
Great podcast.
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Co-hosted by Bubba,
who boosted us earlier.
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in my opinion the way to spread
the V4V niche space
of music within an already
niche bitcoin space is to not pigeonhole
oneself into only Noster
centric mindset there are
V4V music shows the creators
of these shows put a lot of time
creativity into their shows
and the artists they choose to play
support the shows
and artists any way one can
kiss
okay so here's a bunch of uh shows it looks like so uh at upbeats at the do doer fells
at mike newman at colomono and others that's cool i'll have to check those out
and and follow them on roster it looks like uh two angry cunts uh apparently was talking about me
on their most recent show.
I got it tagged on Noster this morning, I think.
But yeah, appreciate it, Sylvie.
Thank you for the boost.
Next is from OpenMike, 7,777 sats.
He was, of course, who we were interviewing.
Thanks for having me.
Watch out for pirates.
Yeah, watch out.
If you live in Minnesota, the land of many lakes,
there's a good chance you might run into Somali pirates
if you're outboding.
So don't take that for granted.
Have you heard about this, Portland,
what's happening in Minnesota?
No, I typically don't keep up with news cycles
of any sorts, really,
like other than Bitcoin, Twitter.
That's my life.
So in Minnesota,
they have the largest population of Somalis
outside of Mogadishu,
and they
are now taking over the lakes.
What do you mean
taking over the lakes? Are they swimming? Canoes?
Boats?
Pirate ships.
Smalley pirates.
Okay.
Most of them have arms.
They're showing up to
you know, it's Labor Day next weekend.
There are going to be about a lot of people out
on the boat enjoying
Labor Day weekend, the end of summer.
Beware
have your water cannons
set up on the starboard side
or both sides if you have it
keep the small pirates at bay
yeah you go out
in the lakes
you want to go tubing or
wakeboarding
you might not be the captain for very long
let's just say that
I think
Bitcoin could fix this
maybe if the United States had big enough
strategic Bitcoin reserves
they would have enough excess
capital to deploy maybe some i don't know bombers to the lakes and um take care of the pirates
like i i feel like yeah i feel like into that for sure or like maybe that like having a hard
money would be able to create incentives for people not to to necessarily need to use violence
to take each other's others boats they would they'd have enough wealth to build more boats
or have the boats that they need.
I feel like this is a Bitcoin fixes this kind of problem
or these Somali pirates on the lakes.
Well, I think Somalia was fairly decent.
I don't know if it was ever decent,
but it was a lot more stable before the CIA started messing around with it.
So if Bitcoin can disintermediate the CIA,
the pirates won't have a need to leave their homes and go to Minneapolis.
but uh that is the i like in the short term you know from like the status standpoint bitcoin could
fix this because uh el salvador the richer they get as a country the bigger the prisons they can
make and donald trump can start deporting the smallie pirates to el salvador too spicy of a
topic for me there shout out to uh naya bikele the most based prison warden in the world bitcoin
podcasters love him and then uh the last boost lahav cliff shark 1337 sats a social bitcoin score
uh so this is an idea that we presented in the episode is uh to come up with some sort of
standardized test it's like you submit somebody to a questionnaire which consists of all the
purity tests so they're new to the space they have a social bitcoin score you know whether or not
to follow them on Twitter or to have them on your podcast right off the bat.
Are they going to pass the purity tests or are they going to naively step on
landmines left and right?
Uh,
well,
have cliff shark is the videographer behind all of the great videos that the
band scar dust has on their YouTube channel.
Really cool guy.
But yeah,
well,
that wraps up the,
the boost,
uh,
Portland, really big thank you for coming on.
Thanks for having me on.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, I hope you get the experience to go on a lot more podcasts.
Yeah, we'll definitely see.
I think my goal for the coming future,
I want to get back into doing more Bitcoin education
like I originally started on Twitter
and kind of re-hosting some of these spaces,
not essentially like node running,
but more so like what makes Bitcoin tick.
An example is like a mini script space.
I want to be able to tell people and have a slide deck where people could
reference.
This is how many script works and put it very simply,
like tie everything up with bows,
become,
become the podcaster.
This dev wants to be on the inside.
And only practice can make that happen.
I believe.
I'm excited to see,
um,
the tweet of the screenshot of,
uh,
you and Danny Knowles talking to bald men together.
The,
the,
the picture of Becca,
Rob and Danny was great.
I think this trend of hairless Bitcoin podcasters or Bitcoin podcast conversations is awesome.
But really, the question I got for you, which bald Bitcoin podcaster or which bald Bitcoiner is most closely representative of Lex Luthor?
From the new Superman movie.
I think you know the answer right now.
You probably do.
it's it's staring right in front it's staring right across from me right now
i was gonna say it's portland hodl i don't know the gig the giggler's giving you a run for the
money okay no i definitely as of this week have gotten plenty of like lex luther screenshots from
the latest superman comparing my desire to poke bitcoin and improve bitcoin with that of well
lex luther from superman who is the absolute i've been spreading i've been spreading the
portland huddle looks like lex luther uh meme pretty aggressively so i'm partly to claim for
that okay i i i approve of that actually like freedom of speech baby let's go is the new
superman worth seeing i saw there was a lot of absolutely 100 um so can i do you want me
Since you guys have a lot of viewers, I'll keep it very light.
Overall, I would say if you're spending less than $17,
I know you could stack some extra sats or donate to the Bugle.
But with that said, if you want to just treat yourself to a good time,
I feel like that was one of the more fun, modern movies I have watched.
And yeah, I don't remember the last time I saw a movie
I considered even good walking out of the theater.
And that was one I went, it was worth the money.
I wasn't pissed that I paid for a ticket and I could have bought Sats instead.
That might be the most controversial thing you said on this whole show today.
To be honest, I'll make a note.
There's a specific element in the movie people really hate and think the entire movie sucks because of it.
I'm willing to overlook that.
the overarching story is worth it the the single yeah it's good value it's good entertainment like
it's specifically watching myself on screen i'm probably a little biased so yeah that's
i i'm really biased here so yeah go watch me as lex you like in the new super you like yeah
you like superman movie because you see yourself in the villain yeah well question to the podcasters
in the room do you guys listen to your own your own podcasts i do absolutely okay cool
there are some of them watch your own movie man it's it's good i mean i feel i feel like if you're
not listening to your own podcast and you don't enjoy the content that you're doing that's probably
not very good in the first place like right right i'm not i'm guilty of this as well i've definitely
like watched it after they cut it up and do all the editing and listen myself i'm like okay i
sound pretty good i appreciate that that's good oh i agree with this guy this guy's awesome
it's you know you're you're very well spoken dev for sure thank you like i i'd love to have luke
on the podcast at some point but i'm a little bit nervous about it you know ask him like what do you
what do you think's exciting about bitcoin he's silent for like five minutes and the response
i think it's an interesting technology like it makes for a rough interview i think i think if
you get him a few dr peppers he'll he'll perk up he'll he'll he'll start he'll loosen up real good
he'll start talking about the the bitcoin he loves yeah not trying to speak for him anything
so closing up the the interview you got any final closing thoughts portland for our audience that
you think is important yeah i i do and my my closing thoughts are like we just talked about
a barrage of like fun humor,
parody satire,
and so even like really technical topics.
Understand though I poke Bitcoin and like,
that's like,
that's what makes me comfortable with Bitcoin is funding my own bags.
But the reality is like,
you should always take to heart.
Like the thing,
like in my opinion,
the things that were told me are still absolutely true.
This is good for Bitcoin.
Like everything ends up turning good for Bitcoin.
Even like the Comcast nodes allegedly getting dosed,
which they technically didn't get dosed.
A lot of people learned about Bitcoin configs.
Bitcoin is for my friends, is for my enemies.
Understand Bitcoin is a permissionless network.
Anybody can use it.
That is the actual value.
Bitcoin is the fact that nobody can stop you from using it.
Honey Badger, it's anti-fragile technology.
So I want people to understand,
Bitcoin is one of the best technologies we have as humankind.
And it is absolutely like,
Honey Badger, don't give a fuck.
strong technology that isn't going to be defeated by any one human being like that that's ultimately
it and poking and like making bitcoin better we need people to do these activities ideally in a
white hat way where they disclose and talk about it and like bring to attention yeah like just
understand like nobody's breaking bitcoin in a absolutely like you're gonna lose your life
savings way that's what i got very cool well thank you so much for coming on and thank you
everybody for listening to the show we'll catch you on the next episode of behind the podcast
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