I'm back to podcasting on Noster.
It's been a while.
For those jumping in,
I am interviewing Efrat Fennison,
journalist, public speaker,
host of the Your Voice podcast.
And correct me if I'm wrong, Efrat,
you were a former tech executive?
Marketing?
Mm-hmm.
And professional troublemaker as well.
Oh.
Apparently.
I'm sure we'll have plenty of questions around that.
I guess before continuing, for those who don't know you, could you give a brief description of who you are and what you do for a living nowadays?
Yes.
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Right.
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Okay, so quick intro. Yeah, I am a former chief marketing officer in the tech corporate industry for most part of my life for about 20 years. That's what I was doing. I graduated university with a computer science degree. I was a programmer for a few years.
Then I switched on to the business side and I accumulated most of my experience in business and marketing from working, from just experiencing stuff.
And I did not go back to university to study neither business nor marketing.
I just did it out of my passion.
I just wanted to learn and I had a small business.
And yeah, I was an entrepreneur for a while.
And then I was just in marketing, corporate marketing and B2B marketing for a long, long time.
I loved it.
The thing I loved the most was being with people and mentoring them and teaching them and also understanding like being on the intersection of the psychology, human action and commercialism.
like turning brands and products into commercial real life successes.
I really loved that.
And I love building brands as well.
The thing I loved the least out of that period was just being in the rat race.
And I always felt like, especially as a single mom, for 14, 13 years, I was raising my son
on my own.
I was working really hard and my number one goal in life was just to provide for him and to make
sure he's got like my son has you know his future taken taken care of and for that I needed to work
hard I couldn't have a career and being a single mom without help so I had to move next to my
parents and get their help in doing that so i saw my son less because of that and um and the money i
was making i really tried hard to save it and i succeeded i saved because i really minimized on my
um on my on my expenses you know the good old-fashioned way you you earn more than you
spend but for some reason I always felt like you know it's it's a never-ending loop you just
keep on serving a boss that is serving a board that is serving an investor that is serving
some somewhere in the end of that chain you have a central bank that is just printing money and at
one point I was like what in which game am I playing I'm playing in a game where
where the money is just being created by someone and then I started questioning what is money
it's a construct that we people have built it's a tool that we've put in place in order to help
us collaborate and do things together but we made it up it's not like a an organic force of nature
that God has given us.
It's something we have created to work with.
And it feels like,
and this is before I knew about Bitcoin and money and all that.
And it just feels like if people,
if men has created this tool called money,
then it's probably created in a manipulated or worked way.
It's not honest.
Like something there doesn't feel right for me.
And then on top of that, in 2020,
any COVID started waking me up to the corruptions of the world and the lies and the manipulations.
And being a marketeer, I could see the marketing propaganda and the mind control and everything
that was coming down. So I was waking up to that alongside a very nice spiritual awakening that
started happening. And I was like, okay, this is my time. This is my opportunity to kind of snap out
of this matrix I'm living in and start going down different rabbit holes to find out and
understand the truth about all these things we've been told and I've never questioned.
Now it's time to question everything. So it started with health, you know, because COVID was like
allegedly related to health, although I claim it doesn't. Like it's not about health at all.
It's all about politics and all about social structures and conditioning of the human psyche to accept a new reality that someone up there wants us to accept, a reality in which we have to be totally controlled and ask for permission for everything.
And I started not just questioning that, but resisting that and not going along with the program.
So I started slowly being outcasted from all those circles that I was part of for so many years, the professional circles, the social circles.
Sometimes even my family, you know, couldn't handle my dissent or my criticism or, you know, the path I was taking.
You know, luckily, I preserved my important relationships with important people in my life, including my family.
but I did leave many of the circles I was part of.
And I also, at one point, end of 2022, I left my corporate job
and I decided to embark on a new journey that is completely independent.
And it had me, I mean, I mentioned my spiritual awakening.
So that process led me to discover what is my gift, what is my uniqueness, what is my true voice and purpose in life, what is my signature, what kind of mark am I going to leave here?
And then, you know, it's kind of reverse engineering.
If those are my gifts and my best skills that I have, I have them for a reason.
Like, it's not like I'm good at verbalizing and using my voice just because I practiced for 20 years.
No, it's because, you know, I need to use this.
I need to somehow find a way to take my voice and use this for serving humanity.
Like, I got there quite quickly.
Like, you know, it took me like two or three years.
the real end game is to serve humanity because life is very temporary in this physical body,
in this physical realm, and the soul is eternal.
And we will continue living always, but we have this very limited time, however much time it is.
It can be up until tomorrow.
It can be another 80 years for me, who knows, in which I can really take ownership of my
my strengths my powers my um my purpose and then serve humanity as best as i can
to help everyone you know move to the next level and understanding this uh what i call game of life
so that's what i do today i decided to start a podcast uh called you're the voice um again you
know you're the voice just because i was on that process to understanding how my voice can then
serve and my passion to shed light on, you know, corruptions and scams and the truth,
just to show people the truth and just find the bravery and the courage to speak out.
And then I started writing as well. So I set up my own blog, which I have a problem with right now,
but I'm also writing for international magazines. I've written for Bitcoin magazine, for
for many others, internationally and also locally in Israel, in Hebrew.
So I help a lot of people in Israel, you know,
just snap out of that matrix that we're in
and also have a very large follower around the world
and my different channels.
I'm being censored a lot, and I hope we can touch on that today.
We will.
we will yeah and i have i have a 16 year old son that i love and i'm a digital nomad full-time so
i'm traveling around the world and that is so right now i'm speaking to you from bali indonesia
that's where i'm at for the next month that was a great introduction and there's a lot of things
i would like to ask you actually but let's see we only have like an hour time a bit less now so
let's try to talk about the most important things uh well first of all i have four children now well
one is on his way and i think having a child is definitely one of those important things to help
you mature in life like that's the thing that made me grow and mature the fastest fastest ever so
i was 21 when i became a dad and i'm kind of blessed like for a lot of people that's way too
young for me i think it was what helps me help me grow up because we're in an age where at 21
you're you're retarded like you're like deeply deeply retarded like i think we're still retarded
We're just on different levels of this spectrum, right?
Exactly.
No, exactly.
So that is awesome.
I think, yeah, it's a great deal of a child.
I think that's one of those important things
that help guide you in life
and help you not lose yourself perhaps
in all this noise because recently,
well, always, right?
But I would say, especially recently,
I feel there's more chaos than there was two, three years.
I mean, okay, COVID was also terrible.
There's always a new crisis, right?
It's nice to have good resolve.
And I think the process of becoming a Bitcoiner
involves killing involves dying like killing killing your previous self i mean you know like
yeah absolutely you were built up as something and that's something you usually build on lies
that person has to die to drink to become bitcoiner and from my perspective right so it's like a
rebirth and it can be traumatic like you're explaining i'm guessing when you just explain
your journey you having to cut ties with previous friendships change your way of thinking
like when that happened to me and happens
I think to many Bitcoiners
you just don't know what to believe anymore
it truly is like
being a reborn but
I want to know
here
my favorite thing is to ask Bitcoiners and people
who especially interview other people
such as yourself
what are your rabbit holes?
the ones that you have gone through
can you name perhaps also the top three
the top three that have attracted your
attention the most
oh my god there's so many to choose from um well i guess top three is health money those are like
the top two and what what would i who would i crown as the third uh because there are so many really
well i mean health is large there's like nutrition there's vaccines there's like i mean all of them
all of i mean all of the above i mean yeah i've had 130 episodes of my podcast if you go and
listen to some of the episodes with doctors or scientists that i've had i'm going in all
directions because it's all related um so i've had dr alexis cohen recently uh who is a prototype
of yeah dr jack ruse uh which i've interviewed on stage in btc prague twice and uh i've had
Kevin McKernan doing like the vials contamination of the COVID jabs to show people that it has
SV40, which is a gene that causes cancer.
You know, I've had Dr. Tina Pierce talking about the adverse reactions of the COVID jabs.
I've had Doc Malik, so many.
And I love them all.
And I think they're all Sabine Hazen speaking about...
Yeah, Maghra Wile.
Yeah, the microbiome and so many because we need to educate ourselves.
And the answers are in each and every one of these threads and these directions.
So health is huge.
And it's one of my favorite topics for my podcast.
And money.
So obviously, you know, Bitcoin is a solution.
But I talk a lot about banking and debanking and, you know, the connection to human rights, the connection to sovereignty.
What would be my third rabbit hole?
I mean, maybe geoengineering and chemtrails and all that stuff that people don't talk about enough.
I mean, for me, one of my favorite, I don't call it a rabbit hole.
It's just an educational route is spirituality.
but really everything is related to spirituality and, you know, our consciousness.
So you can take health and you can take money and you can take geoengineering and chemtrails
and it's all related to it.
So I try to bring things together because they're not siloed.
They're all related.
But I think geoengineering chemtrails are very important because, you know,
if we put a lot of the focus on the stuff that is being put into our body
through vaccines or through food. But then we have very little control on the air we breathe
and what we're being sprayed with. And that is a daily thing that is happening. So more awareness
is needed on that front. We need to understand that those heavy metals are affecting our health.
We need to understand that they're in our soil, in our water, in our food, you know, and there's not
much we can do about it, but raise awareness and then maybe try to get involved on a local level
with cities or states. They have very limited powers in what they can do, but they can
also help raise awareness. So that topic is close to my heart. So it's something that we need to put
more focus on, I think. That's actually one of the recent rabbit holes I've been seeing,
like the chemtrail thing. That's just something you don't think about. You're like, oh, it's a
clouds playing living like some it's uh yeah but they're not clouds at all but it's not yeah it's
it's really and i've also been going down the rabbit hole like deeper into the rabbit hole of
viruses for example you know terrain theory versus germ theory um obviously vaccines it's it's
fascinating and terrifying at the same time and it seems like we've been attacked on multiple fronts
for decades and it really makes you wonder like what what can we do but and well here's what we're
doing we're podcasting and we're talking about it so that's uh that's a good starting point and
there's another one that i think is related to that and people need to be aware of and they're
not it's the the whole um body area network rabbit hole so um you know people like um
sabrina wallace you know just saying her name uh triggers many people because she's
She's like controversial, but she does amazing work in showing all documented receipts for how we have wide body area network around us that some people call the aura.
I mean, when you take it to the spiritual side, it's like the aura.
We have a field that we're meeting.
Everyone knows that.
We're electromagnetic beings.
And that electromagnetic field is being hijacked and hacked into through different powers and different technologies.
There is a whole world out there that I suggest you just peek into.
It may be a bit scary at the beginning but it super important to know because we need to also protect ourselves from electromagnetic frequency wireless radiation as much as we can It very hard to do because it everywhere and it all around us all the time
But at least we need to be aware.
And there is a lot of mind control and manipulation that is being done through those channels.
So just be aware of that.
Search up Sabrina Wallace.
She's on Rumble.
Sabrina Wallace.
Yeah, I haven't heard about it, but I'll definitely look into it.
Oh, yeah.
I've been the spiritual rabbit hole. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. That's something else to look into.
Cause the spiritual thing is something that I've been postponing for some time. Like,
I think like I was raised Catholic, Roman Catholic, you know, I went to church school
and everything. And then around high school, I became an atheist. And then around my end of my
career, I became a, um, I forgot that I even forgot the term for it. Uh, or you, there could
be a god there might not be a god but i'm open to possibility that there is one deist i believe
anyways but i've started to go back into becoming a believer i believe that there is
a greater being and uh uh it's interesting this the the process right um but i do believe i think
i went through a similar process to you yeah i don't believe there's a true atheist like if you
don't believe in god you end up believing in something else right it can be the state
It can be the science, right?
Something else becomes your God.
Yeah.
Something else becomes your God, right?
And I'd rather fill it up with something that's been time-tested for thousands of years and, you know, contributes to having a low time preference.
So, yeah, I plan on teaching my children about religion, but I admit I have not yet gone down deep that rabbit hole.
And you have, I'm guessing you interviewed Sabrina Wallace, right?
I'll check that podcast.
Oh, no, I did not interview her.
I'm following her.
no but she's not in the spirituality rabbit hole I think she's Christian
I've interviewed many people who are speaking about spirituality
but I also I am a humble student you know I do a lot of reading
a lot of listening to podcasts and audiobooks
hermetic teachings is like a very basis
You can then follow great people like Dolores Cannon speaking about the life after death and reincarnation.
There are my favorite spiritual teacher is Lori Ladd, which I always recommend people to follow.
She's incredible.
And a book that has changed my life, if I can just drop that name, many people will, I think people would love it.
It's called The Bringers of the Dawn by Barbara Mersiniak.
And it's a book that is really, it's a pivot point in my life.
And I think that after that book, things didn't look the same.
It's a series of three books, but that's the first one.
Go there and thank me later and let me know what you thought.
It's a wonderful short book, Bringers of the Dawn.
Yeah, it's really great.
And it's for all you rebels that really want to see yourself or feel like you're a system buster, right?
You're here to understand the system and then bust it from within, from the outside.
Like we have different ways of going about it, but you kind of, you see, you can understand the system, the matrix or the different subsystems that you're in.
and you have a calling or a purpose in life to be one of those souls that is here at this time
to be part of the change of you know breaking the existing system and building a new one and i think
that will speak to a lot of bitcoiners so that that book is highly recommended anyway um another
thing i'm involved in which we didn't touch on is um women like i really want more women to
kind of regain their sovereignty everything i do is to give people more power and sovereignty
self-sovereignty i mean i think that's the key for everything so i think women really need a
nudge and a push for men it comes more naturally because you guys have the you know the the
genetic reconditioning for yeah for hunting and for going out there for taking risks for being
more out there and women are you know we we naturally have a more um a tendency to be more
reserved and accommodating you know yeah exactly so i think women need a little bit more of a push
to reclaim back their powers and their sovereignty and there's a different way for the feminine to
learn about her powers and how she can reclaim them. And so me and many other great women are
really focused on talking more to the female audience so that we can bring them in
to a sovereign life. One of the things we're doing soon, next month actually, is the Women
of Bitcoin Summit. It's a free event that we've put together. It's three of us, Natalie Brunette,
myself and um christine marie turner and we we want to bring 1 500 women to this free event but
right now we have 600 so we're we're on the right track we have another month to where is it to share
this it's online it's virtual so anyone can oh it's online i'll sign my wife right well i'll tell
her about it first and then but she's i'm sure she'll be she's a hardcore bitcoiner she's a
hardcore bitcoiner right and then she can invite her friends that always wanted to learn about
Bitcoin, but I didn't know where to start. And it's going to be 28 female speakers where we've
put together an incredible lineup. You know, we have the most amazing speakers from Caitlin Long
and obviously Natalie, Susie Violet Ward, just to name a few, Lynn Alden. We have even Cynthia
Lama is joining us, but not only from
America, we have
from Africa,
Marcel Lorraine, we have from
Brazil, Carol,
a lot of circular economies.
Isabela Santos, we
have
I'm
forgetting. It's all on the website. You have
28 women.
Just an incredible lineup.
A lot of, seven panel
sessions, and we have also
some free giveaways for the ladies.
And it's all about like just start in a way that will not intimidate you, that will help you answer your questions and be exposed to what this thing is, what this Bitcoin thing is and how this can be a first step into sovereignty.
So, yeah, that's something I'm working on heavily this month.
Definitely.
And it's a nonprofit event, so it's free and we just have sponsors.
And we want more sponsors.
If you want to sponsor us, please reach out.
Sure.
No, definitely.
I'll reach out to you after the podcast to get more details because it sounds interesting.
And, you know, just how the powers that be are attacking on all fronts.
I think Bitcoiners need to attack on all fronts as well.
And that's where I think there is no right answer on what's the right thing to do in different regards.
For example, there's people who say, I will stand and fight where I am.
Like typically Americans, right?
This is my country.
I'm not moving anywhere.
And the other people who are like, go where you're treated best, like Andrew Henderson type of style.
You know, like, oh, we can't get multiple residency, become nomadic.
I think all those type of ways of thinking are correct.
We need people attacking on all fronts, fighting for freedom on all fronts.
And in this case, focusing on women.
I think that's very important because like we're seeing in the Bitcoin or space,
like what I'm seeing, is that we're turning back to a more traditional way.
For example, my wife is also an MD.
She decided not to pursue her career.
she decided to become a homeschooling mom yeah she's very smart beautiful and people are going
back to that uh families are going back to that and women are the ones who are educating the
children because i'm the one yeah i'm the one has to work now and if the mom the women know about
bitcoin they they're teaching the future generation while they're small so i think women empowering
women to learn about bitcoin is very a powerful tool for the future obviously right now but that's
Future thinking.
And that's amazing.
And that's why, you know, I look at what we're doing.
And we already have 600 women signing up.
We're going to have more than 1,000.
I know it.
From all around the world, just think of the amazing power this is going to bring into the sovereignty and the freedom and the Bitcoin community.
The power, the energy that's going to come into this space with so many women that are mothers of children or future mothers of children that are going to teach.
those kids those things that makes me so bullish and so happy to just think about that and that's
where i go how come all those companies in this space are not jumping on the opportunity to sponsor
this thing or to just even donate where are the ogs what's going on i know we do have some good
sponsors like rhino like abundant minds but come on people yes where are you like wake up
Nostriches
what's going on?
Nostriches
you know
you heard it
you guys got to
check it out
I'll add links
in the description
once I bring out
the video
editing everything
we got to start
if anyone's
listening to us
on Nostra right now
any one of those women
please put a link
to this event
in the chat
so people can see
what we're building
and approach us
for sponsorship
we want to get
those women in there
great
that is a great message and uh well moving on a bit uh i do want to get into the censorship
uh because you've been suffering a lot about uh with that recently since when has that happened
and what started like what what commenting about what started getting you censored and were you
or censored right away i think the very first um encounter i had with that was during covid where
you know videos on youtube and things like that were taken down so i had to start using rumble it
was very early on 2020 2021 i studied that that thing exists and then a lot of doctors and
researchers around me were shut down as well so in 20 i think end of 21 we did a massive
twitter space with all those doctors after elon musk took over so it was 22 i think
And all those doctors came back in and we did a massive Twitter space with all those censored voices.
And we said that people died because of this censorship, because those voices were not allowed to speak out.
People couldn't be warned and many people died.
That was like the message of this Twitter space.
And so that was the first encounter.
And then later on, on October 7th in Israel, I don't know if you know, the massacre that happened, I was there.
on the day and um yeah i was looking at yeah i was living in israel at the time and um and i i
served in the idf when i was younger and i actually served in the place where where these
things happen right on the gaza border and so i knew that what was happening on the day was not
typical was not supposed to happen something was like allowed or enabled because Israel has all the
means to stop something like that or at least to come come and help when something like that starts
to happen and it did not there was a stand-down order and there were many horrible things
happening on that day so I decided to speak out out of my experience and I made a video that went
completely viral that was my viral moment millions of people around the world saw it and shared it
and then I kept on speaking for about a month and I was heavily heavily attacked and censored
on that month where I was speaking out it was a very terrible experience it was good on the one
hand because the truth I was speaking was getting out there and that was I was one of the only people
from Israel that were actually saying the stuff I was saying.
But at the same time, there was an orchestrated attack against me.
And many big accounts out there were defaming me and ridiculing me
and bad-mouthing me.
Some of them were actually even my friends,
but they were Israelis or Jewish that were not thinking the same way I do.
And I don't know if they were sent,
but there was definitely an orchestrated attack on me.
and my voice was trying to be silenced.
So that was really a terrible experience.
I continued to speak out.
It was tough, but I made it through.
And then with my podcast,
every time I spoke about COVID and the jabs,
or my guests spoke about it,
I was shadow banned.
Not every time, but many times.
um youtube is horrible for me and then last year with no previous explanation or reason
given i was banned off of telegram and on telegram i had yeah i my principle when it comes to since i
know marketing and i know content and i know what i'm doing i built my my online presence in a very
decentralized way so i have channels on all platforms more or less and so on telegram i had
two groups of 6 000 and 2 000 people in each so 8 000 8 000 followers on telegram and my account
closed down in one day that was about six months ago and i made videos about this yeah closed down
just like no explanations just like you violated the terms and conditions they don't tell you what
it is why what you did you are trying to talk to them and you're looped in this ai bot chat that
there's no no person you can talk to i tried emailing i tagged them i'm trolling pavel durov
on x like i tried everything every time they keep putting posts out there saying that their
platform for free speech i'm like you know fuck you you're not you're you're you're lying you're
You're closing people down when you don't like it.
I don't know if it's the governments that are telling them to do that or it's their own.
I'm sure it's governments, right?
I don't know if it's the Israeli government or a different one, but they closed my account.
So now I'm banned on Telegram.
Then I started having some issues because I'm nomading.
But this is not just targeted specifically to me.
This is in general.
I'm just talking about credit cards in general or banking when you're nomading.
this is one of the hardest things because you have to keep coming back to the credit card company
or the bank to ask for permission to use your credit card or your money when you're overseas.
And that is ridiculous. And I'm talking about Visa and MasterCard and Amex. They're all the same.
And of course, the bank as well. They're seeing that you're overseas doing stuff with your money.
like first we block you and then you have to come back to us and ask for permission to
to use what's yours so i call that censorship as well right this is part of them controlling our
money and then just recently and i'm giving you different examples but they're all related to
censorship and just recently and this was three weeks ago four weeks ago three weeks ago i arrived
to australia because um my son lives there and so i went to visit him and when i got to australia
australia has a new legislation around they call it the child safety act which is bullshit it's
it's basically they're asking you to verify your age when you go when you surf to various websites
so the big platforms like facebook twitter instagram so all of meta all of google all of
Substack even joined the crowd.
But here's the thing.
There are currently only nine big tech platforms
on the list that have to ask for age verification.
So you have to be like 16 years old or older
in order to surf on those websites.
And mind you, just to give you a sense of what it did,
four and a half million accounts were closed down
on Instagram alone in Australia because of that act
of like people who would not participate in this experiment
and show their papers just in order to surf,
including children as well, right?
But the children don't give a fuck.
The children go and find, you know, another Snapchat or whatever.
They go to other platforms that don't give them the same shit
and they find a way.
The children are like water.
They teach us everything.
Anyway, back to the story.
Now you have this child safety act.
so you need to verify your age so you need to either show a digital id or you need to take that
selfie and you need to do this digital authentication you're basically showing your
your papers just in order to to browse the web to like sounds like right sounds exactly like
covid and so i got to australia and i'm using i have a blog on sub stack i have five thousand
5,000 subscribers and 10,000 followers on that platform. Again, I'm decentralized. I have like
people following me on all platforms. And so, you know, I do stuff with my blog as I always do.
My podcast is there, the articles I wrote, everything is in there. And then one day I'm
going into my dashboard and all of a sudden I get this pop-up saying, you need to verify your age.
show us that you're over 16 show us your papers show us your digital id put a put your passport
up or take a selfie and only then we will give you access to your blog and i'm like fuck you
first of all i'm over 16 and you know it because i'm already identified with i'm registered with
substack secondly i'm not an australian i mean i am an australian citizen but to put that aside i am
because i have dual citizenship i have a passport but i don't live in australia i don't have an
address I don have anything in Australia and I not participating in your game I not showing my papers to go into my blog to just like surf the internet So I like okay I knew I going to leave Australia within two
weeks. So I said, I'll wait. You know, I tried using a VPN. I use Tor. I use everything,
nothing. It pops up anyway. And I think then they flagged my account because I said, I'll wait
till I leave Australia
and I'll come here to Bali.
I'm in Indonesia
and I'll do it from here.
I'll access my blog from here.
So I waited for two weeks.
Now I'm in Bali.
Guess what?
I'm still flagged.
They still give me that pop-up
that I need to put my digital ID
in order to access my blog.
And here's my tweet from yesterday
that went viral.
And I am so happy.
Oh yeah, I'm going to do that.
Let me find it.
There you go. Share screen.
I'm so happy it's going viral.
If you guys want to ask any questions, feel free to write them down.
And I'm going to take this to the next level.
I'm going to email Substack. I'm not going to leave this.
They don't really want to verify my age.
They want to normalize me showing my papers to access the Internet.
This is what it's all about.
All these hate speech laws, all these online safety, child safety bullshit, all this crap is happening in lockstep all around the world right now because all they want is to normalize for us to show, to identify, to do a KYC on the internet.
Fuck you.
That's what I'm saying.
Fuck you, you know.
And this is going viral because it needs to go viral right now.
there's 3.1 likes to this post please keep posting it please keep sharing it it's on x i'm going to
put it everywhere and i have you know tagged sub stack here and i'm showing them that this is
unacceptable this is what it looks like you need to verify your age because of the online safety act
right and i'm outside of australia right now get get that i'm not there anymore even though they
have a local law this thing is now following me wherever i go and i have 15 000 people subscribe
to my work on this platform on substack that would now lock me out of my account this is censorship
yeah to the max your income too right and it's also yeah and i'm not gonna give up i'm going to
take this further i'm going to make some noise i'm going to make videos about this substack are
going to hear from me. And again, I'm reminding you, Substack is not even on the list of platforms
that is obliged by law to do this. And they're doing this just because they want to be more
saint than the Pope, right? They want to be the best. Just like in COVID, we're going to take
extra measures and going to verify age. Show me the under 16-year-old kid that goes to Substack
to read a blog these days no one does that children are on tiktok children are on snapchat
children are on instagram you're fucking lying this is not why you do this you do this because
you want to normalize us showing our papers online and i've had enough with that bullshit
i couldn't agree with you more but the funny thing is i'm sorry no i i can see it and it's good i
want it's good to express it so people can sense the urgency of this you know yeah and it's funny
to me that the argument is always but it's for the children it's for the children's safety
but we're ruled by pedophiles for safety and here's the thing and fernando it goes back to
what you said before about the mothers and the children's and parenting and all that stuff
we do not need the state to interfere with our parental authority it's our responsibility
to educate our children it's our responsibility to make sure they are safe from harm and that
We educate them on which websites to go to and which websites not to go to.
And it is, let me tell you, I've got a 16 year old.
It's a tough journey.
You have to really work hard and be vigilant with the work you do with them these days,
because everything is out there.
They're exposed to everything.
There is porn.
There is horrible stuff out there on the internet.
Yes, it's a jungle.
And it's our responsibility.
And the moment we give the state that power to tell us, to decide for us which websites and which websites are going to be monitored and where we need to identify, and they include us in this as well, it's the end of our freedom and our liberty.
That's it.
And they've taken away, they've chipped away in our parental authority once again.
It started with our bodily autonomy in COVID.
Now it's our parental authority.
Next thing, it's our bodily autonomy again
with something else that they're gonna make up.
And then it's gonna be our private property and our money.
And it's already happening in so many places around the world.
We as Bitcoiners, we know that.
And they're gonna debank us.
They're gonna touch our private property
again and again and again.
We have to say no when we have to show them
that this is bullshit.
We have to keep working on platforms like Noster
that allow us to take hold of our digital identity
and decide what we do online.
And this is a war for the digital space, I would say.
Because people don't think of it.
I would say it's one of the last places of freedom on Earth.
Like a lot of the physical spaces have been taken by governments.
But the digital space is still, I guess you could say Wild West.
It's been centralized, yes, in all of these big platforms.
But Nostra, I think, is one of those.
Still, the internet, what is it?
The TCPIP protocol is still a protocol that we can work on decentralizing again.
Agreed.
So they try to centralize it.
We need to be, it's the yin and yang.
We need to be the opposite force that decentralizes it as much as possible.
This is our role as freedom lovers and Bitcoiners.
We need to decentralize the hell out of this centralized internet.
I totally agree.
And actually, I think it'd be really cool here, especially since you've been talking to a lot of people and you've interviewed Jeff Booth.
That was a really good interview.
I like it a lot.
Thank you.
What are some actionable steps for those listening that can do right now?
From everything you've learned, what has been like your thesis?
Or let's say, I guess let's divide it to two tiers.
Like the person who, yeah, I'm interested in Bitcoin, but I'm new to it.
I'm new to Nostra.
I'm new to a lot of these things.
What can I do?
And then perhaps for the more veteran Bitcoiners, what could perhaps they do?
Like, for example, you mentioned supporting the women's conference.
I think that's something OGs could support, for example.
Oh, yeah.
A hundred percent.
And by the way, some of them do.
There are some OGs that have reached out and donated money.
They don't want to be sponsored.
They just want to support.
So that's also an option.
This is a nonprofit event.
And we have a collaboration with the Bitcoin Bay Foundation.
So it's a nonprofit entity in the United States.
So you can just donate there.
And it's good in terms of taxes and everything because it's a nonprofit.
So you can reach out to us.
Anyway, for beginners, I would say take my Bitcoin starter kit.
I have a kit that is movies, podcasts, books, and it's really well organized.
It also went viral when I put it out there because people liked having like one place
that gives you a good starting point for Bitcoin.
It speaks about fiat first, and there's some really cool movies there on fiat and to understand
how it works.
And you need to understand fiat in order to get to Bitcoin.
So I take people through a really fun way of getting into what is Bitcoin and how they can learn about it.
Obviously, the women event.
And if men want to join, you can join.
So it's open for everyone, but we do want more women there.
That's the purpose of this event.
Anyway, so the Bitcoin Starter Kit, I will give you a link to it.
It's on my blog, the same one that Substack is giving me a hard time with.
I would say another good first step is just buy a hardware wallet, any type of hardware wallet, and then ask someone around you that has Bitcoin to sell you a little bit.
So start your journey with a peer-to-peer transaction.
Just find a friend or someone you know to do a peer-to-peer transaction with you and send you some Bitcoin to your hardware wallet.
I think that's a good first step.
Second step would be to learn what a lightning wallet is and do some immediate transfers with the same person.
So just practice like that with someone.
I think those are good first steps for beginners.
I would also encourage you to open a Nostar account.
So just have a Nostar account.
You need to start learning about how you're going to have true free speech online without being censored.
and the ability to take your social graph with you
as you move from one platform to another
and use Nostar for various things.
So learn about Nostar.
So these are the two things for beginners.
For advanced, for Bitcoiners that are already in there,
what I would recommend is, you know, Dr. Jack Cruz always says it,
it's about giving you more time to be here.
So if you're a Bitcoiner and you haven't gone down the health rabbit hole, which is huge, again, we talked about vaccines, geoengineering, the air you're breathing, the food you're eating, all that stuff is there to give you more time in your time chain and not just more money.
So if you don't have good health, and it starts with physical health, but it goes on to mental health and then spiritual health, then your time in this game is going to be shorter and shorter.
We had recently a really sad death in the community of Haidia.
I don't know if you know her, but she died suddenly, probably an aneurysm.
And she was in her 40s.
she was an amazing bitcorner i met her in riga she was a beautiful beautiful soul and she just
died just like that just two weeks ago i think it was and it's super sad but it's just a really
good reminder for us that our time here is limited and what we can do is educate ourselves on our
physical mental and spiritual health so that we can elongate that time here um so we can be
more time for our families, communities, and friends around us and help them go through some
of the most turbulent time in the recent century that we're going through right now. It's the end
of the fourth turning. We're going through all this shit and people are going to experience a
lot of hardship. So if you're listening to this and you're an advanced Bitcoiners,
Bitcoiner, you already have an advantage on everyone else probably, but you want to look
back from time to time and reach out to those who do want to be helped and are asking questions
and need, you know, that holding hand to go into the ark, go into the raft, like they need someone
to help them and you're there. So, you know, what is our life about if not to be of service for
humanity so i think you know we need to um we need to live up to that um to that purpose um so
yeah if you're a bitcorner you should start thinking about your community your family your
friends uh helping them out and finding out how you can harness your best skills and gifts in life
in order to use them to help humanity amen to that don't just stop at what is money right uh
continue asking questions. No, this is just, that was just the door in, that was just the white
rabbit. That's it. Exactly. So, um, it's the curious, it's the, just once you realize you've
been lied to in one big thing, I think it's only natural to ask yourself, yourself, what else?
Don't stop. Don't stop. You'll be surprised. Uh, there's a question from the audience, uh,
cryptex uh you mind taking the question i know you have to go soon yeah what's the question
can you read it to me because i'm not looking of course cryptex is asking do you think them asking
and substack them asking for kyc kyc to use substack et al reflects their fear perhaps
realization control is slipping from them a projection of their fear does it signify their
fear like um and when he says their fear i'm assuming he means substack as a microcosm for
all the big tech platforms um i believe that the control that is slipping away is definitely
at play this is what we're seeing but the the fear of that control slipping away
is not really by the big tech platforms like Substack and others.
It's the control of the powers that shouldn't be.
Those powers that are controlling us plebs, us humans,
us, you know, souls that are, they need us.
They need us for their GDP.
They need us for our productivity.
They need us for our energy, our life energy, our vitality.
They need us.
if we start understanding the amount of power we have and how much they live off of our power
our energy you already know that as bitcoiners because of the money but it's also spiritual it's
also the energy you give them with your life force with your fear with your emotions they
feed off of all of that so the moment you start stepping out of giving your powers away whether
they're physical powers energetical powers and all the powers you don't give that to them they
start freaking out and that's why they're clamping down more that's why they are asking the kyc that's
why they're like no we need to keep you in our control no we need to keep you in that box no we
need to see what you do we need to control you with cbdc's we need to ask for a digital id we
need to connect all those systems together so we can centralize the power more and control you more
yes the power is slipping away this is the yin and yang that we've been talking about so they're
doing that for sure because their control and power are slipping away because they are because
there is a spiritual awakening on a massive scale in the world, on earth, everywhere.
Like people are starting to wake up.
It started in COVID and it's accelerating all the time.
The more the darkness is accelerating, so the light is accelerating.
It goes together and they see it and they're afraid of it and they need to control us more
in order to regain their powers back.
I mean, for thousands of years, humanity have been enslaved and controlled.
This is not just a thing of fiat.
You know, it's not just the 100 years or the 500 years.
No, no, no.
This goes back to centuries ago, eons that we've been captured and controlled by other entities.
And we're not going to go down that rabbit hole, but people can go back.
Yeah, I mean, you can go back and start learning about ancient civilizations.
and Anunnaki and Nephilim and everything.
There's so much to learn about.
But humanity has been controlled for eons.
And now is a very...
It's a singular point in time
where something's shifting in the power dynamics.
And we have an opportunity to reclaim our powers
and start building something new.
Not necessarily we are going to be here
in our lifetime to see the change that we are leading right now. But if we're building that
for our children and our children's children, and if we actually want humanity to survive this,
because the technocratic transhumanistic agenda is horrible. And I don't, I mean,
I want to be here to see how everything unravels, but I'm not sure I want to see how life looks when
People are being raised inside pods and being cloned, right?
And cyborgs are just like a normal thing.
And, you know, brain chips are normalized.
I don't want to be part of that, but it will happen.
And this is a conspiracy.
Well, it's not a conspiracy.
No, I think the Epstein-
I mean, look at your hero, Elon Musk, having a company that does brain chips.
And, you know, you don't have to go far.
Look at Tether.
Tether is now invested in a brain chip company.
Oh, yeah, it's decentralized, but it's a brain chip company.
And guess what the name of that company is?
It's BlackRock.
It's not the same BlackRock as the financial one, but it's called BlackRock.
Go check me.
Go.
Yeah, they announced it last year in El Salvador, in Plan B Forum in El Salvador.
And, you know, you don't have to look far.
You just have to stop calling people names like conspiracy theorists and just go and check things yourself.
Don't trust.
Verify, right?
Do it everywhere. So the transhumanism is the agenda that they want to take us into. Go search what transhumanism is. We don't have time to go through this now. But that reality requires control.
and when the mind control is being loosened and when the digital control is is being um
compromised yeah no and when it's being compromised when we are starting to like
break through the cracks and find all those freedom and sovereignty technologies and protocols and algorithms and like you know we there their control is slipping away so we are we are the ones i going back to the book i recommended earlier the bringers of the dawn we
are the system busters we are the ones that can really bust some of those systems and they know
it and they're fucking terrified by it so they're clamping down on us even more so my little
censorship thing is just an opportunity to wake people up to what's coming.
You know, it's like this sub stack thing.
Yeah, it's annoying.
And I don't want to lose my blog, but I'll find a way.
You know, I'll open another one.
I think there's Noster sub stack alternatives.
I'm pretty sure there is.
Yeah, it's not as good yet.
And I want a good one.
So I will have a, yeah, Ghost is an open source platform where I can import my sub stack
and use that.
I will do that.
Yeah, but, you know, we have to find solutions.
We have to show agency.
We have to be smart about how we operate.
And we cannot be disheartened and devastated and broken down every time a crisis happens.
Because we're going to bump into tens, dozens, hundreds of crises in the next few years.
We have to be more like stronger and adapt ourselves to this crazy period.
So, you know, this is our time to shine.
And I think the struggle is necessary.
I think Bitcoin, it's good for Bitcoin in a way.
If we were to be having a moment for a long piece, it would make us complacent, in my opinion.
And I've been hearing a lot of Simon Dixon recently.
I didn't know who the guy was a few months ago.
and i i i'm starting i i feel his explanation is thesis makes more sense in my mind that's not
exactly the zionists controlling the world it's more of the proof net and proof of uh weapons
network to me that that that clicks a bit more but another thing that's perhaps perhaps pessimist
for like i know bitcoiners are like you know orange for the world bitcoin solves everything
But I do tend to agree it's the bad guys, you know, call them that already have Bitcoin.
They're going to be there when Bitcoiners rise and we will get a seat at the table.
Yes.
But these bad people, I think, are still going to be there.
And that's perhaps not the best news for a lot of Bitcoiners.
But I do think it's the reality, perhaps.
I don't know how to I don't imagine that that moment yet.
Like, I don't know how exactly I would feel about that.
But I think we still need to fight.
We can't just give up.
Okay, they're also going to win.
If they're going to win, then what's the point of even trying?
No, I mean, like we have to fight.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, Bitcoiners sometimes enjoy just saying the trope, you know, Bitcoin is for your enemies.
It's not just a trope.
It's a real thing.
Everyone's going to hold Bitcoin at some point, right?
So you're going to have to live in a world in which your enemies are in the same network as you are.
And you may have similar interests in terms of the underlying system you're using to advance life.
So start thinking about how you can live in that kind of reality.
I agree with you about Simon and I love his thesis.
It's going to be on my podcast in, I think, next week where I'm interviewing him.
Awesome. I can't wait.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to have a wonderful discussion.
Yeah, I can't wait to do this.
So we've been wanting to do this for a long time.
But with Simon, I agree with his thesis on the most part.
I also think that this is a very complex web of power facets.
This is not just like one cabal.
There are cabals in various groups, but those cabals are interconnected.
They're loosely connected between them.
And they have a lot of power, each one in their own domain.
And they cross interface from time to time.
I do think that the Zionist cabal has a lot of power.
And I know that cabal quite well since I'm Israeli and Jewish.
And this is one nuance I'm going to say.
You have to have compassion for Jewish or Israeli people that you like that are around you.
Because for them, when you say the word Zionist, it just means patriot.
they just think that Zionist is a you know you you love your country and oh really so just have
compassion yes because Israelis and Jews they they normally when they say I'm a Zionist they don't
think about that big plan to conquer the Middle East right to have the greater Israel or something
like that they most of them will not even be aware of those plans and of that history so just have
compassion and know that depending on who you're speaking to and their level of understanding
um they for them they just want to be good people they they just love their country it's just like
you saying i'm america first right they they will go i'm israeli first that's for them that's the
meaning of i'm a zionist but really zionism yes it has a very dark uh history and and a different
a different connotation for those who really go and search what that really means deeper into it
Yeah, I am not a Zionist. I do love Israel. It's my home and I have my family and friends there, but it's a very complicated place to come from and to be living in. It's really hard to do this, but you're right. I don't think Zionism is controlling the world.
I think we have different facets of power running here.
And just looking back to what we said before, try to learn what those facets of powers are.
And remember in the end of the day that if it consumes too much of your time and energy and productivity from your life,
then you want to stop and just focus on what's important, which is building your community and your family and taking care of your loved ones and yourself,
your physical, mental and spiritual health.
and your self-sovereignty, having Bitcoin,
having freedom as much as you can in all areas of our life.
And I always say, just minimize your interfaces
with the state and the institutions as much as you can.
That's how you regain and reclaim your sovereignty and your power.
Just work on bit by bit how I can minimize my interfaces
with any institution and with the state.
And that's how you reclaim back your power and decentralize as much as you can.
I think that's the message.
And I think some people get disappointed because they expect great change and just organizing a bunch of Bitcoiners.
I think it's a slower process.
It's going local.
It's buying things with Bitcoin.
If a rancher or someone accepts Bitcoin, pay in Bitcoin, get the circular economy going, make that parallel economy.
It's a slow fight, yes.
but i think that you need to have these grassroots movements to for what's to come for like the moment
the big moment i think will eventually come and we need to be ready uh what are you talking about
big moment as in the price who gives a fuck what are you talking about fernando like this whole
one hour was about freedom and sovereignty and now you tell me the big moment this is the big moment
every moment is the big moment just make it make it i can't argue against that it's true the big
What I try to say with big moment, it's like the moment when we get the seat at the table of power, I would say, you know, when there's enough influence and we already have it.
We already have it.
Live your life like you already have it.
Build your little community like it's the most important thing in the world.
the guys in Costa Rica
the communities in El Salvador
the community in Madera
the community in Lugano
the community in South Africa
the little meetup in Melbourne
Australia, the most suppressed
place in the world
this is it, this is the power
that's what you need, you just shine your light
as strong as you can in those places
and you know, let God
be with you because that's the power
we need, that's it, amen
we don't need to wait for any politician any government any state anyone to join us we are
the ones we are the ones we've been waiting for that's it do something about nope i agree i totally
agree uh do you have uh i guess you have to go right now because there's a lot of things i wish
i could i could talk about with you let's take one let's take one more question one more question
okay i got i got one for my for myself though uh i don't and i don't know if you want to talk about
but let me know if you don't.
Like this Knotts versus Korthe,
I know people have been talking about it like crazy.
A lot of people are tired about it.
And the God and Kawhi,
there's a lot of ideologically aligned people.
But, well, first of all,
do you want to talk about that
or you don't think it's an interesting topic?
I don't think I'm well-educated.
I mean, I am educated because I'm following it,
but I don't think I'm the right person
to give my opinion.
To talk about that deeply.
Okay.
I mean, I'm happy to just share what I'm...
doing i don't think anyone should do what i'm doing but i i'm i'm installing knots on my on my
node but i i don't think uh i'm not the best person to give an educated opinion about that
the or the thing i do think though i do think though that there are two insights about it
that i do want to say one is that it's good that there is a healthy debate in the community that
It shows that Bitcoin industry, community, whatever you want to call it, is behaving in a way that the world is not behaving these days.
It's actually talking about problems and surfacing a lot of the shit.
right so and that is something that is not happening these days because we are being
hijacked to just talk about certain things and look at certain things and not talk about others
and not voice our opinions and be afraid to bring out criticism or or free speech so i think that's
healthy on the one hand on the other hand i think bitcoiners have a tendency to go too far with uh
you know, things that may not be detrimental.
Yes, it's a warning sign
and it's something that is good to surface right now
and handle,
but I think we don't need to be obsessed with it.
We can, you know, look at things,
read, educate ourselves,
and then make up our own mind and move on.
Don't get stuck because there is so much to do.
So it's a healthy debate
and it's a good thing that it's happening,
but yeah, don't get too obsessed.
or fixated.
I agree that it's good for Bitcoin.
I do think the best case scenario
would be to have multiple client implementations.
Not just, well, there's a few,
there are a few, there's like at least,
I think seven or nine I saw the other day.
But honestly, right now,
people just know mainly about NOTS and core.
But the main thing I wanted to focus there
is like, I'm class of 22.
So I'm relatively new to Bitcoin.
And a very human thing
is to look for leaders within,
especially when you're new to something.
Like who's the guy who can guide me
through this dark, like what is Bitcoin?
What is health?
What is all these things?
And then you see their history.
Sometimes they have a track record
of being right and doing these things,
but sometimes we're all humans
and we make mistakes.
And something I've been seeing a lot
in this NOS versus core,
but also with the Epstein file things,
which could be false.
You know, there could be a lot
of false documents out there.
A lot of OGs look like they've been compromised.
or could be and there's a lot of things i've been people i would look up to and they say
uh things that i perhaps don't don't align well with me but what i'm trying to get
get to with this is for perhaps and the advice for beginners is just be ready to slay your heroes
like don't it's one of those things you have to kill inside you you know that that primal urge to
just follow you know you have to learn to be a critical thinker i too run knots you know and i'm
not technical and uh i maybe i'm more of a i go on the economics of it you know the austrian
economics point of with you and blah blah blah but i i like to feel that i arrived to that
conclusion myself not because luke or bitcoin mechanics said this is the right thing to do
blah blah yeah i mean it sounds like it's the right thing and i'm with you and i i like what
you're saying because i think yeah we it's a human trait to look for um what's the word i'm looking
for to look for um reassurance or a king yeah a figure of authority you want to get your
reassurance that you are doing the right thing or behaving the right way from someone who knows
better than you and who is smarter than you. That goes back to my point about sovereignty and power.
We doubt ourselves too much and we always give our powers away. And it can start with things like
that. Where is the figure of authority? And I'm not saying don't listen to people who are
knowledgeable. No, on the contrary, go learn and educate yourselves, but then you make the decision.
So I'm with you completely Slayer Heroes. I said that on my podcast with Natalie Brunel,
and I think that it really resonated with a lot of people because they told me that
but then I also want to give you one example of why you always need to stay critical and listen to
to many opinions and many smart people so I've interviewed Kevin McKernan who is a scientist
and is a world leader in genomics and he was one of the people working on the human genome project
at the time today is mostly in the genetics of cannabis and human genetics as well when it comes
to researching what happened after COVID. I did a two-hour episode with him on my podcast,
which went completely viral. And one of the things we talk about, he's a Bitcoiner,
is the censorship of medical journals and medical science.
So a lot of scientific research that is being produced these days
is being censored by the apparatus and the system of medical journals
and peer-reviewed articles and all that stuff.
So what Kevin is doing, and Kevin has been suffering,
quote-unquote suffering from that censorship for more than 11 years because he was always
researching things that the powers that be did not want him to you know put out there because
it makes people learn and understand things that aren't counterproductive to what they're trying
to achieve in life so already 11 years ago Kevin has found a way to put a trace for research
papers, scientific research papers on the blockchain.
It was before ordinals.
It was before operator.
It was before all that stuff.
And he's been very vigilant in learning the blockchain architecture and the Bitcoin protocol
and how he can use that to help himself with the censorship he's been experiencing and
other people as well.
And so now when the whole debate about OpReturn has started and Nots and everything, he has been, he started making use of, he found this way to make use of Noster plus OpReturn to put links to his scientific research and other people's scientific research on the blockchain.
and it's immutable now and they have been using that kind of stuff for the past 10 or 11 years
in legal cases in court to show that specific genetic samples or research is like there's a
source of truth because it's been documented there on the blockchain for a period of time and they
could prove by showing that that that was real truth over fabricated truth or things that were
claim to be right. So they've been using that as a legal tool and as a censorship resistant tool
for the last 11 years, but also for specifically for the last one or two years on Noster and
Bitcoin. So find Kevin McKernan, he's on Noster, find his episode with me on my podcast and go
deeper into that rabbit hole so that you can see some really viable use cases for how you will
utilize up return for something very very good for a good use case now it's not stupid jpegs
it's not like it's things that are really changing people's lives and yes it's not
monetary so and i said at the beginning i i have not so my opinion is different but i cannot
i cannot sit here and say that what he's doing is not good or it's it's a an legitimate way of
using the blockchain.
So yeah, it's not black and white and be open to other things.
So yeah, I just want to add that on that note.
I think that was really good, really good and a good place to wrap it up.
Efrat, thank you so much for your time.
I don't know if you want to mention anything else you wanted to mention perhaps during
the podcast.
And if not, where can people find you, follow you?
People can find me on X on Noster, of course.
there is one link I will give you to put in the show notes
they can find all my different links there
please sign up to my sub stack
my blog even though it's suppressed right now
I'm going to make some noise and then I'm going to move all my subscribers
to a new platform that I would have
so please follow me on X and Oster
I'm doing Instagram clips, I'm everywhere
as I said, decentralized as possible, YouTube, Rumble
I'm everywhere
Yeah.
That is so cool.
Yeah.
I'll add all those links to the description once the video is out.
So yeah, once again, thank you very much and hope to see you around.
Thank you.
I'll see you soon.