1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,480 I can't tell you how many clients, new clients I've gotten because they've had an existing 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,460 relationship with the financial advisor. 3 00:00:08,300 --> 00:00:09,680 They're very into Bitcoin. 4 00:00:09,820 --> 00:00:11,760 Bitcoin's a growing part of their portfolio. 5 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:15,800 And when they bring it up, they get laughed at or they get told to sell. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,500 And you really just kind of show your hand as not understanding potentially the most 7 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:25,360 important technology and asset class of our generation. 8 00:00:25,740 --> 00:00:29,500 I think one of the most valuable things you can do as an entrepreneur, obviously there's 9 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:35,860 There's a lot of macro trends that are very hard to weather, you know, AI, and tariffs, 10 00:00:35,860 --> 00:00:36,860 and all this stuff. 11 00:00:36,860 --> 00:00:38,420 Just plant the orange flag. 12 00:00:38,420 --> 00:00:42,360 Like be bold about it, be proud, plant the orange flag, offer services around Bitcoin, 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,580 and you will stand out from your competition. 14 00:00:45,580 --> 00:00:47,320 Bitcoin is a currency on the internet. 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,180 If you don't trust any other currency, this is where you go. 16 00:00:50,180 --> 00:00:51,740 It's going to outperform everything. 17 00:00:51,740 --> 00:00:53,580 Bitcoin could eventually be worthless. 18 00:00:53,580 --> 00:00:55,680 Every day is a good day to buy Bitcoin. 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,740 Bitcoin reaches highest price to date. 20 00:00:57,740 --> 00:00:59,240 Bitcoin hitting a new high. 21 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:01,060 It really has reached escape velocity. 22 00:01:01,180 --> 00:01:02,180 There is no second best. 23 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:03,480 Who cares about Bitcoin? 24 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,860 It's the only secure database that's ever been invented. 25 00:01:06,460 --> 00:01:06,940 Antisocial. 26 00:01:07,180 --> 00:01:08,760 Bitcoin is the real deal. 27 00:01:08,980 --> 00:01:09,360 Stupid. 28 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,640 Everything is bullish for Bitcoin. 29 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:12,320 Immoral. 30 00:01:12,580 --> 00:01:13,980 It's going up forever, Laura. 31 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:15,360 Fix the money. 32 00:01:15,940 --> 00:01:16,720 Fix the world. 33 00:01:19,540 --> 00:01:20,800 Wide Work is a registered investment advisor, 34 00:01:20,980 --> 00:01:22,300 and the opinions expressed on the show are their own 35 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:23,580 and do not reflect the opinions of the Silk LLC. 36 00:01:23,820 --> 00:01:24,400 Joining us as a CPA, 37 00:01:24,540 --> 00:01:25,620 and the opinions expressed on the show are their own 38 00:01:25,620 --> 00:01:26,840 and do not reflect the opinions of trusted CPA 39 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:27,580 or other affiliated firms. 40 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:32,880 Information presented is for educational purposes only and does not intend to make an offer or solicitation for the sale or purchase of any specific securities, investments, or investment strategies. 41 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,600 Investments involve risk and almost otherwise stated or not guaranteed. 42 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,540 Information expressed is not taken into account your specific situation or objectives is not intended as a recommendation appropriate for any individual. 43 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,020 Listeners are encouraged to seek advice from a qualified tax legal or investment advisor to determine whether any information presented may be suitable for their specific situation. 44 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,940 Past performance is not indicative of future performance. Any statements or opinions are subject to change without notice. 45 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:54,880 Welcome to the Bitcoin for Financial Services Media, the podcast where saw money meets professional services. 46 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,300 We explore how to build the financial services industry within the principles, ethos, and values of Bitcoin. 47 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,080 We're super excited to be taking you through the first episode. Let's get started. 48 00:02:07,980 --> 00:02:15,180 All righty. We're not live, but first episode. Welcome, White O'Rourke. How's it going, man? 49 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,380 I'm great, brother. How are you doing? 50 00:02:17,940 --> 00:02:23,400 Doing well. So just so everyone knows, today is, I guess, the day after Black Friday. 51 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:32,060 and this is the very first episode of the Bitcoin for Financial Services podcast and it's going to 52 00:02:32,060 --> 00:02:36,980 end up being a pretty crucial part of a brand that Wyatt and I have been building at this point for 53 00:02:36,980 --> 00:02:44,440 about six months and so we are thrilled to kind of finally be in front of some mics, cameras, 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:49,820 there's been a lot of work that's gone into all of this and so we are excited to kind of kick 55 00:02:49,820 --> 00:02:56,520 things off. The structure today is mainly just, hey, let's give some introductions about who we 56 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:02,360 are individually, how we're working together, and then really lay the groundwork for where we're 57 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:09,600 going with this whole endeavor with integrating Bitcoin into TradFi existing financial services 58 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:15,900 and where we go from there. So why, why don't you tell us a little bit about what you get into on a 59 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:22,160 daily basis? What qualifies you to be on the show and kind of talk through all these topics? 60 00:03:24,140 --> 00:03:29,480 Yeah, absolutely. So I'm the founder of Basilic Financial. We're a Bitcoin-focused wealth 61 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,820 management firm. We help our clients with sound money strategies, and our ultimate goal is to help 62 00:03:34,820 --> 00:03:40,860 them achieve prosperity with purpose. We still do some traditional finance work, but it's 63 00:03:40,860 --> 00:03:48,140 predominantly focused on serving Bitcoiners were state registered RIA in Colorado. And when I 64 00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:53,780 started this business, I was already a Bitcoin maximalist, had some history in traditional 65 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:59,140 finance, my degrees in finance, really just kind of identified more as an entrepreneur. At that 66 00:03:59,140 --> 00:04:05,540 point, I was very involved with the Denver Bitcoin community. I want to start Bitcoin company, but 67 00:04:05,540 --> 00:04:12,800 I didn't know how to code or whatever. And, you know, my peers are other maximalists. And so I was 68 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:19,020 just thinking, how can I do this? And was talking with friends and mentors and decided to adopt the 69 00:04:19,020 --> 00:04:24,320 RIA business model and just integrate Bitcoin into it. And I think one of the big themes we'll 70 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:31,560 be talking about over the course of this podcast is I think Bitcoin financial services is the most 71 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:37,000 exciting subsector of Bitcoin to be in right now, because we have this tried and true 72 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,240 traditional finance playbook. 73 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:41,520 It already exists. 74 00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:42,780 We don't need to recreate the wheel. 75 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,460 We just need to apply Bitcoin to it. 76 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,580 And we'll really kind of get in the nuts and bolts of how different professionals do that 77 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:50,480 with their businesses, which will be exciting. 78 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:57,200 So, you know, we predominantly help Bitcoiners with, you know, I've stacked stats. 79 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:58,140 Now what? 80 00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:16,220 And that kind of comes in the terms of financial planning, custody solutions, inheritance planning, helping them be good stewards of their assets, understanding the responsibility they have as the first generation of Bitcoiners and how that plays into their financial lives. 81 00:05:16,740 --> 00:05:20,140 I'm also the author of the Bitcoinization of Finance. 82 00:05:21,140 --> 00:05:27,320 I currently serve as the chief marketing officer of the space, which is Denver's Bitcoin Citadel. 83 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:34,640 You can think of it as co-working meets event space, meets social club meets professional trade organization. 84 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:42,780 I'm also working on some opportunities here, which I'll be excited to announce on the podcast in digital credit. 85 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:46,640 I can't can't quite do that just yet, but a little teaser. 86 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,500 And I'm also very excited about that. 87 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:51,060 No, I love it, man. 88 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,200 And yeah, my name is Jordan Guess. 89 00:05:53,200 --> 00:06:07,680 I own a CPA firm here in Kentucky and I am also co-founder of a Bitcoin accounting and tax software called Bitment and been a Bitcoiner since I think late 2020. 90 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:15,800 and yeah just i'm thrilled about this because i've seen and wide seen the landscape of you 91 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:23,340 talk to enough um folks in the financial planning advising space and on my side on the tax advisory 92 00:06:23,340 --> 00:06:30,160 side specifically you know there's just there's a lot of bad information out there about what 93 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:35,980 bitcoin is there is the cringe word i cringe at least when i hear it uh crypto and how that gets 94 00:06:35,980 --> 00:06:42,260 lumped in. I think that's going to be a really just consistent theme that we talk about and why 95 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:48,400 Bitcoin is different. Even driving over here, Wyatt, today to record, I was thinking through 96 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:55,920 that meme of the two Venn diagrams of someone who thinks Bitcoin in one circle has no value. 97 00:06:56,220 --> 00:07:01,160 And the other circle is someone who can explain the difficulty adjustment. And in the middle, 98 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,240 right when that when those two circles overlap and the meme is i've never met someone in the 99 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,720 middle here where they understand the difficulty adjustment and can explain it and they think 100 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:16,860 bitcoin has no no value and and i think that kind of lays out dude i think that it kind of lays out 101 00:07:16,860 --> 00:07:23,380 like what we're getting at with this whole show is that if you understand what bitcoin is why it's 102 00:07:23,380 --> 00:07:29,920 different from every other cryptocurrency and frankly every other um fiat currency you start 103 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,400 to see the world differently. 104 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:34,080 You go down, you know, pick your favorite rabbit hole. 105 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:35,360 And there's lots of that. 106 00:07:35,740 --> 00:07:37,580 We won't be able to touch all of those rabbit holes 107 00:07:37,580 --> 00:07:38,820 on the show. 108 00:07:38,980 --> 00:07:41,080 But that's kind of the whole essence 109 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,300 of what we're getting at here. 110 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:45,620 Using Wyatt's extensive background and planning, 111 00:07:46,460 --> 00:07:48,300 financial planning, and on my side 112 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:50,860 with the tax planning and tax prep work. 113 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:54,020 Yeah, I'm just excited to see where this goes. 114 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:56,220 And I guess, Wyatt, you should probably tell the story 115 00:07:56,220 --> 00:07:58,560 because one, you have a funny antidote 116 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:04,240 going all the way back to Vegas, I guess, earlier this year of just how we got started, 117 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:09,000 because I think we've both been thinking about this, you in Denver, me in Kentucky. 118 00:08:09,460 --> 00:08:13,040 And it's a I think it's a fun story that's worth taking four or five minutes to tell 119 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:19,400 on how we even got got to meet and started putting all this together. 120 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:23,580 Yeah, certainly it is a very Bitcoin story. 121 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:26,420 And this will be this is a fun episode. 122 00:08:26,420 --> 00:08:30,000 because it's just you and I usually will be bringing guests on and we want to take the 123 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,380 opportunity here to kind of really kind of give the audience some some background what we're going 124 00:08:34,380 --> 00:08:39,700 to be talking about how we got to this point and it was back in May I was talking to a mutual friend 125 00:08:39,700 --> 00:08:46,740 Jesse Gilger he's at Sound Advisory another big one you know focus or RIA I guess they're now under 126 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:55,420 gain of trust actually and part of the the work we do at the space is we're big into events and 127 00:08:55,420 --> 00:09:02,200 we've identified summits or small conferences, generally around 150 folks or so, as being 128 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:10,060 very high signal events or type of events that Bitcoiners enjoy going to because you have very 129 00:09:10,060 --> 00:09:15,000 intimate networking opportunities. You can talk to the speakers. You can actually get your hands 130 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:21,380 dirty and learn a little bit as opposed to just getting lost in the crowd of 10, 20, 30,000 people 131 00:09:21,380 --> 00:09:26,920 at a conference and so in Vegas I was talking with Jesse and I was you know we kicked around 132 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:34,040 the idea of doing something in this kind of realm at the space I wasn't quite sure how it would be 133 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:39,440 put together or what we would talk about or if the industry is even big enough to to do something 134 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:46,160 like this and yeah this is yeah back in you know early early last year so I was talking with Jesse 135 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,480 He's like, hey, you got to get a hold of this guy named Jordan Guess. 136 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,880 I was like, I have no idea who who the hell that is. 137 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:58,360 But sure, I'll reach out to him, go through the conference, talk to a handful of other 138 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,120 folks, get back doing the follow ups. 139 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,040 And all of a sudden, this guy named Jordan Guess schedules a call on my calendar. 140 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,200 I was like, holy smoke, that's crazy. 141 00:10:05,380 --> 00:10:07,020 I was supposed to reach out to Jordan Guess. 142 00:10:07,180 --> 00:10:10,060 And that's how we got introduced. 143 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,240 And, you know, come to find out you had already done quite a bit of legwork of trying to plan 144 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,000 something in this, you know, industry. And as soon as you kind of gave me your sales pitch, 145 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,840 I was like, you know what, screw it. Let's do it. I was instantly in, we hit it off. 146 00:10:25,340 --> 00:10:29,660 I think, you know, we're, we're pretty much two peas in a pod. Think about things very 147 00:10:29,660 --> 00:10:32,580 similarly. You see the world very similarly, have similar backgrounds, 148 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:38,080 obviously very complimentary work, me being RIA and you being a CPA. And then 149 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,660 we just really hit the ground running. Fortunately, you kind of had a, 150 00:10:42,660 --> 00:10:47,300 you know, playbook of what we want to do. I had some experience running events at the space, 151 00:10:47,300 --> 00:10:52,480 uh, and we really kind of got into planning our, you know, inaugural summit, which I think we should, 152 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:58,860 you know, touch on a little bit later, but that's my recollection of the, the, uh, the beginnings 153 00:10:58,860 --> 00:11:03,580 of Bitcoin for financial services. Jordan, I don't know if I left anything out. No, it's perfect. I 154 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:11,540 mean, the funniest part about the whole thing was I'd basically given up on the idea when, 155 00:11:11,540 --> 00:11:16,660 when I was talking with Mitch Moore, because Mitch Moore is the guy who introduced, was saying, 156 00:11:16,780 --> 00:11:20,760 hey, you should talk to Wyatt. He might be interested in this. And it was kind of a final 157 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:27,160 gasp. Like I just had a quick intro call with Mitch, who's not too far away from you. And you 158 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:33,020 all know each other from the Colorado Bitcoin scene. And I just was still telling people about 159 00:11:33,020 --> 00:11:36,940 it. But at this point, it had gone through the iteration of, well, I'll do it here in Louisville, 160 00:11:36,940 --> 00:11:42,500 Kentucky where I'm at, that wasn't going to work. I looked out, you know, to a few different venues. 161 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,880 It wasn't, it just didn't make sense. And there was, you know, there's a financial risk, right? 162 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:53,120 Of starting an event, especially if you're just going at it completely solo and you say, well, 163 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:58,980 I'm just going to host it at a hotel and I need to block off a certain number of rooms and I'm on 164 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:04,480 the hook for the rooms we don't sell and the event space, the food, the drinks, blah, blah, 165 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:11,720 lot, right? It's, it's a lot of work as we found out. And so, um, I was, uh, I was thrilled that, 166 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:17,420 Hey, there's another, you know, Bitcoin citadel out there that, Hey, maybe this is a good fit. 167 00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:24,500 And so, and just thank God for cal.com, right? Uh, you had some, and you're two hours behind me. 168 00:12:25,060 --> 00:12:29,920 So, I mean, it was already three or four in the afternoon by my, you know, for my time, 169 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:35,380 but you had some time about three or four year time. So we hopped on that day and the rest is 170 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:42,220 history. So yeah, we should touch on, on the summit. Um, we threw that event together really 171 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:51,140 in the course of four months and got corporate sponsors involved. We got a really high caliber 172 00:12:51,140 --> 00:12:58,320 group of speakers to come out, make the trip to Denver. Of course there was, I don't know, 173 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:04,840 maybe three or four that were local, but many of them had to travel to come speak. And, uh, 174 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,600 yeah, I think we should just, and I always appreciate why it's always just very thankful, 175 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,480 no matter who he's talking to have something I've noticed about you. And I think it's, I just 176 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,900 applaud you on that. Just however it comes up or whatever situation we're in, you're always the 177 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:25,300 first to say, thanks for having us. This means a lot. And I think we should lead with that. I mean, 178 00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:33,000 the number of people that took a risk on our event for 2025, just about a month and a half ago, 179 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,660 was really just something that kind of blew me away. I'm sure it did for you as well, Wyatt, 180 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:42,460 the speakers, the attendees, and of course, the corporate sponsors who, you know, put their time, 181 00:13:42,540 --> 00:13:48,620 put their money behind this endeavor was just, that was moving. And I think that fueled us to 182 00:13:48,620 --> 00:13:55,260 make sure that we put on a truly unforgettable inaugural event, which is hard to do. The first 183 00:13:55,260 --> 00:14:02,200 year, right? I mean, it's always, that's tough. So, um, so yeah, we had about a hundred, 150 people 184 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:08,440 that came out and I think there was a lot to be learned more than anything. I think a lot of 185 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,240 people made some great connections and that's really what these events are about, right? You 186 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:18,560 meet other service providers. They do things that you don't do, but your clients ask about. And so 187 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:24,040 you're just building that network of trusted people that you can refer things out to over time. So 188 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:30,400 that was at least what i got out of it no 100 man i appreciate you saying that and something 189 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,640 i appreciate about you is that you always uh remember to thank the wives uh which sometimes 190 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:41,700 i forget which is not good uh so you say just a sticky note on my computer screen yeah right 191 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:52,020 uh yeah well and that's what i think you know when i look back on why before we met i was bearish 192 00:14:52,020 --> 00:14:56,860 if you know, I could pull this off single handedly, which I don't think I could have done just because 193 00:14:56,860 --> 00:15:02,320 it is, you know, a lot of work. But I was wrestling back and forth with, you know, is this industry 194 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:18,129 big enough Like do we have enough you know RIAs estate planning attorneys CPAs asset allocators investors that come talk And for some reason I was just thinking very small And you know January February of 25 it like I don know I don 195 00:15:18,129 --> 00:15:22,929 know. Like, what are we going to talk about? It turns out that was very silly. Like we had 196 00:15:22,929 --> 00:15:28,989 a lot of corporate sponsors that were interested in being involved in the event, you know, from 197 00:15:28,989 --> 00:15:32,249 We had a local mortgage lender with Bitcoin. 198 00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:34,069 Well, you know, big exchange. 199 00:15:34,829 --> 00:15:38,049 We had speakers from lending companies. 200 00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:39,289 Unchained was a sponsor. 201 00:15:39,429 --> 00:15:41,089 We had the Pearl Fund was a sponsor. 202 00:15:41,749 --> 00:15:43,589 Satoshi Pacioli was a sponsor. 203 00:15:44,589 --> 00:15:49,509 I think I'm forgetting one, unfortunately. 204 00:15:49,729 --> 00:15:50,349 That would come to me. 205 00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:55,589 But regardless, like once we actually started doing the legwork and getting out into the 206 00:15:55,589 --> 00:16:00,969 community, I was really impressed by the amount of companies that were interested in being involved. 207 00:16:00,969 --> 00:16:05,689 And I'm really excited for next year's event because we were still even a little slow for 208 00:16:05,689 --> 00:16:09,789 some bigger companies to get involved. We had some conversations with hedge funds that weren't 209 00:16:09,789 --> 00:16:14,089 able to make it due to time constraints. We had some conversations with ETF issuers that weren't 210 00:16:14,089 --> 00:16:18,289 able to make it given time constraints. And now that we're just being so much more intentional 211 00:16:18,289 --> 00:16:23,549 with it because of the success of the event, I'm really excited about what we can build it into. 212 00:16:23,549 --> 00:16:30,829 but in classic bitcoin fashion you know it's two guys came together it's like hey i think we should 213 00:16:30,829 --> 00:16:36,209 do this do you know how to do this and it's like wow i think so maybe it's like ah screw it we'll 214 00:16:36,209 --> 00:16:41,989 make it work uh and that was really kind of the the motivation but then you know our kind of 215 00:16:41,989 --> 00:16:46,889 selfish intentions where jordan and i've talked about this a lot just privately where it's really 216 00:16:46,889 --> 00:16:54,549 kind of a shame or embarrassing where we obviously, you know, put ourselves out to be professionals 217 00:16:54,549 --> 00:17:00,589 in the space. I think we do great work. But then when it kind of comes down to referrals, you know, 218 00:17:00,589 --> 00:17:04,209 I'm working with a Bitcoiner, I want to refer them to a Bitcoin native estate binding attorney, 219 00:17:04,209 --> 00:17:11,009 or Bitcoin native, you know, CPA, I have like a referral for both of those things. And it's insane. 220 00:17:11,009 --> 00:17:17,989 and it doesn't make me feel the most comfortable being very deep in this space. I have a single 221 00:17:17,989 --> 00:17:22,329 referral partner for a lot of these auxiliary services my clients need to utilize. And so 222 00:17:22,329 --> 00:17:27,289 we really wanted to try to bring everybody together, get them in one space. I do think 223 00:17:27,289 --> 00:17:32,669 doing events at a Bitcoin Citadel just kind of elevates it. Just the fact that the space itself 224 00:17:32,669 --> 00:17:38,069 is Bitcoin themed, you really kind of have a good sense of, okay, this is going to be legit. 225 00:17:38,069 --> 00:17:42,489 I'm not going to have to be worried about if I'm stuck talking to crypto bro. 226 00:17:42,829 --> 00:17:46,869 And so I do think that that really kind of helps elevate, you know, an event. 227 00:17:46,949 --> 00:17:50,089 So I would really encourage anybody interested in doing that. 228 00:17:50,229 --> 00:17:53,669 Check out, you know, the space, check out everyone park, check out Presidio. 229 00:17:54,769 --> 00:17:56,329 It's very cool thing to do. 230 00:17:56,749 --> 00:18:00,969 And so once we kind of had our guiding light there, I think we were kind of off the races. 231 00:18:00,969 --> 00:18:05,429 And then I think we really just started reaching out to speakers and folks that were interested in coming. 232 00:18:08,069 --> 00:18:10,969 Your wealth deserves intention. 233 00:18:10,969 --> 00:18:14,029 Basilic Financial is a Bitcoin-focused wealth management firm 234 00:18:14,029 --> 00:18:16,869 built to help our clients find balance between money and meaning. 235 00:18:17,269 --> 00:18:20,609 We integrate sound money strategies across four distinct personalized services. 236 00:18:20,989 --> 00:18:22,969 Financial planning, individual wealth management, 237 00:18:23,369 --> 00:18:26,529 retirement services for SMBs, and Bitcoin financial services. 238 00:18:26,969 --> 00:18:31,049 Your prosperity, your purpose, intentionally guided at Basilic Financial. 239 00:18:31,449 --> 00:18:34,729 Visit our website at basilic.io to schedule free consultation. 240 00:18:38,069 --> 00:18:59,549 Yeah, there's definitely, there's a gap. I mean, at least in the tax side, I know that there's more, I run across a lot of crypto CPAs that are on Twitter, but the market I think right now is really demanding more serious advisors to, to kind of come out of the woodwork. 241 00:18:59,549 --> 00:19:04,709 and it's folks that of course can explain the difference between the proof of stake 242 00:19:04,709 --> 00:19:09,109 and proof of work networks i think that's extremely important which some of that does 243 00:19:09,109 --> 00:19:14,169 get technical and and that is a piece of this right like i don't know how many hours you and 244 00:19:14,169 --> 00:19:21,269 i combined have listened to bitcoin related content be it podcasts or read books but there 245 00:19:21,269 --> 00:19:26,169 is a lot of work and there's a lot of things to actually understand and that's why so many people 246 00:19:26,169 --> 00:19:30,869 just, they just give up. They're like, I don't understand it. So I just, if I don't understand 247 00:19:30,869 --> 00:19:34,349 it, I'm not going to invest in it. I'm not going to, you know, put any time into this. 248 00:19:34,569 --> 00:19:40,709 And so that's, I would say that's probably one of our just fiduciary duties at this point, 249 00:19:40,769 --> 00:19:45,549 specifically, definitely on your side to be able to explain, here's the value prop of Bitcoin. 250 00:19:46,369 --> 00:19:52,169 And here's why you should at least look into it. And I can help you with the education side. 251 00:19:52,169 --> 00:20:06,269 And then once you feel comfortable with understanding what it is and why you should probably get some of it, why it's smart to get some, then I can help you buy and hold through all the turbulence because, of course, there is turbulence. 252 00:20:06,989 --> 00:20:13,329 There's a lot going on in the world, which I'm sure we'll touch on some of those pieces over the course of the show with the different guests. 253 00:20:13,329 --> 00:20:19,589 but yeah if you're going to someone who doesn't understand what bitcoin is just your you know 254 00:20:19,589 --> 00:20:26,009 run-of-the-mill advisor right i think that they're probably dropping the ball a little bit especially 255 00:20:26,009 --> 00:20:31,549 now that what we're sitting here at the end of the end of november the etfs have been out for 256 00:20:31,549 --> 00:20:37,909 almost two years at this point right and so clients are having questions about what bitcoin is they've 257 00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:42,969 seen it run up and they've seen it pull back and they've seen just all the things that have happened 258 00:20:42,969 --> 00:20:49,489 most people are focused on inflation and Bitcoiners have been talking about inflation for a long time, 259 00:20:49,529 --> 00:20:54,249 even the class of 2020, 2021, which I feel like a lot of the people I meet in the space 260 00:20:54,249 --> 00:20:59,529 are a part of that class. That's what originally got them into Bitcoin in the first place. 261 00:21:00,429 --> 00:21:07,689 And so, yeah, I think it's kind of our duty to educate advisors even on, okay, I understand 262 00:21:07,689 --> 00:21:14,289 you're not going to listen to Michael Saylor for 25 hours, uh, you know, over the course of a month, 263 00:21:14,289 --> 00:21:19,649 we did that, but that's okay. Like if you don't want to do that, whatever, but we can explain it 264 00:21:19,649 --> 00:21:25,969 in a more succinct way to you. Or if you're, if you want to just bring us in to talk to your 265 00:21:25,969 --> 00:21:32,449 clients directly, happy to do that as well. But I think there's a, there's still a lack of good 266 00:21:32,449 --> 00:21:37,409 education out there. And especially with guys like Peter McCormick, I totally, you know, support 267 00:21:37,409 --> 00:21:42,789 Peter doing what he wants to do, but there's shows that were very approachable for kind of the normie 268 00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:49,809 American that have pivoted. And yeah, I just don't think that there can be enough approachable Bitcoin 269 00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:55,089 content, especially for people in very, you know, this is obviously a niche audience and we're fine 270 00:21:55,089 --> 00:22:00,029 with that. I think that that's actually one of our, one of our big differentiators, right? 271 00:22:00,029 --> 00:22:07,569 100 i'm happy you brought that up um because yeah we're not trying to be another bitcoin 272 00:22:07,569 --> 00:22:14,389 podcast here right we want to focus specifically on folks working or building in the professional 273 00:22:14,389 --> 00:22:19,289 the financial services industry and we will help them integrate bitcoin into it and one of the 274 00:22:19,289 --> 00:22:26,329 things you touched on there jordan that i think is crucially important is i also got into bitcoin 275 00:22:26,329 --> 00:22:34,429 in 2020. Unfortunately, my shitcoin phase was pretty brief. I was guided by some quality folks 276 00:22:34,429 --> 00:22:41,209 in the industry. So I didn't get too wrecked there, unfortunately, like a lot of people do. 277 00:22:41,409 --> 00:22:47,449 But I've always had such a pessimistic attitude towards crypto. And I think they give 278 00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:55,249 this industry or Bitcoin really such a bad name. I think it's extremely degenerate. 279 00:22:55,249 --> 00:23:01,769 It's foolish. I don't like how the crypto folks carry themselves. And I think that's really kind 280 00:23:01,769 --> 00:23:07,989 of prevented a lot of the professional service providers that take themselves seriously. They 281 00:23:07,989 --> 00:23:14,909 want to do good work. They want to offer quality services to their clients from being shy to 282 00:23:14,909 --> 00:23:20,909 adopting Bitcoin specifically. You and I are both Bitcoin only. We're not interested in helping 283 00:23:20,909 --> 00:23:28,609 clients or other service professionals adopt anything crypto related. And so I think it's 284 00:23:28,609 --> 00:23:34,489 important for the folks we're specifically trying to reach to understand that if you haven't 285 00:23:34,489 --> 00:23:41,349 integrated Bitcoin into your practice yet, you are, you're missing the boat. And I can't tell 286 00:23:41,349 --> 00:23:47,369 you how many clients, new clients I've gotten because they've had an existing relationship with 287 00:23:47,369 --> 00:23:52,549 the financial advisor, they're very into Bitcoin. Bitcoin's a growing part of their portfolio. 288 00:23:53,089 --> 00:23:58,669 And when they bring it up, they get laughed at or they get told to sell. And you really just kind 289 00:23:58,669 --> 00:24:04,949 of show your hand is not understanding potentially the most important technology and asset class of 290 00:24:04,949 --> 00:24:10,789 our generation. And if you're not willing to embrace it or integrate it, and it doesn't have 291 00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:16,629 to be full bore right off the bat, you know, you just got to start preparing yourself to be able to 292 00:24:16,629 --> 00:24:21,989 answer questions and facilitate it in your practice. We'll get into how that looks more 293 00:24:21,989 --> 00:24:27,249 down the road and we'll be bringing on a series of professionals that have already done this. 294 00:24:28,009 --> 00:24:33,749 But the moral of the story is you need to start doing it. And if you don't, you will continue to 295 00:24:33,749 --> 00:24:38,189 lose clients. And I think one of the most valuable things you can do as an entrepreneur, 296 00:24:38,689 --> 00:24:46,089 obviously, there's a lot of macro trends that are very hard to weather, AI and tariffs and all this 297 00:24:46,089 --> 00:24:50,589 stuff, just plant the orange flag, like be bold about it, be proud, plant the orange flag, 298 00:24:50,809 --> 00:24:53,489 offer services around Bitcoin, and you will stand out from your competition. 299 00:24:54,989 --> 00:25:02,009 Yeah. And it's, it's interesting, even so, you know, I sit in on some client meetings with 300 00:25:02,009 --> 00:25:07,189 their financial advisor, if it makes sense, if we overlap on the work and, you know, it's just best 301 00:25:07,189 --> 00:25:12,229 to be efficient with the client's time and we can answer questions on both sides. And I don't know 302 00:25:12,229 --> 00:25:18,269 I think it was the week before last, but I was in a meeting in person and the client was actually 303 00:25:18,269 --> 00:25:23,269 asking about what their portfolio looked like. And it was the day that we dropped all the way 304 00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:29,889 down to 80. So it really wasn't that long ago, whenever, but the, the advisor even was like, 305 00:25:30,189 --> 00:25:33,729 went immediately on the defense, right? It was, it was essentially was saying, 306 00:25:34,449 --> 00:25:38,869 well, I should say they kind of laid off the big tranches of the portfolio, 307 00:25:38,869 --> 00:25:45,469 which was kind of the normal 60 40 ish uh what you this was for an older client and so maybe it 308 00:25:45,469 --> 00:25:51,529 was 40 60 i don't know but all that to say there was it got to it where it was like oh we also have 309 00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:57,889 you know one or two percent in alternatives and the client asked so what are the alternatives and 310 00:25:57,889 --> 00:26:04,769 the advisor said it's some gold and don't freak out but it is a little bit of bitcoin 311 00:26:04,769 --> 00:26:12,169 and it you know of course this i work with a lot of normie clients and also bitcoiners so i i know 312 00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:16,769 exactly how to kind of play both sides of it but it was just funny i mean i had to bite my tongue 313 00:26:16,769 --> 00:26:22,309 and just i'm just it's not that's not my my role in the meeting is to talk about investment strategy 314 00:26:22,309 --> 00:26:27,729 at all so i don't that's not my place so i didn't say anything but i did have to like internally 315 00:26:27,729 --> 00:26:36,509 have a bit of a smile on, well, if you understand what Bitcoin is, you've taken a long-term view 316 00:26:36,509 --> 00:26:42,549 on the asset. And so one might see this opportunity actually as a nice buying opportunity. It's that 317 00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:46,369 classic, I mean, I remember bringing up memes all the time, I guess, on the show, but it's that 318 00:26:46,369 --> 00:26:51,649 classic meme of like, oh, you know, when it goes way up and it's that guy who's like, oh man, I 319 00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:55,869 can't believe I didn't buy. And then when it just dips down, when he has the opportunity to actually 320 00:26:55,869 --> 00:27:00,229 buy at a lower cost base. He's like, oh, I'm not buying that. And that's just, and then that just 321 00:27:00,229 --> 00:27:04,809 happens over and over and over again. So I think that's the other pieces. And that's just classic, 322 00:27:05,309 --> 00:27:10,409 you know, every advisor knows that to their core, right? You take long-term positions and sure, 323 00:27:10,469 --> 00:27:15,629 there's fluctuations, but that's the whole, that's why you get higher rate of returns than just going 324 00:27:15,629 --> 00:27:22,269 and buying treasury bonds or something like that. So yeah, there's just so much to, I think even 325 00:27:22,269 --> 00:27:29,509 help framing the conversations for advisors with their clients on the portfolio management side. 326 00:27:30,309 --> 00:27:38,189 And it's going to be really important as Bitcoin does what it does. It naturally becomes a larger 327 00:27:38,189 --> 00:27:46,909 portion of your portfolio over time, just because generally speaking, it outpaces the fiat 328 00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:53,469 growth of other asset classes. And so then there's a question of, well, do we rebalance or do we 329 00:27:53,469 --> 00:27:59,569 double down? And of course, that's, that's again, not my, that's not my thing to at least advise 330 00:27:59,569 --> 00:28:04,709 clients on, but all of us Bitcoiners at this point, you know, we have our opinions and there's, 331 00:28:04,709 --> 00:28:11,769 there's no real hiding that. So. Well, there's, I think too, it's a beautiful example because 332 00:28:11,769 --> 00:28:16,809 there's two great trends there that I think we'll be touching on a lot over the course of 333 00:28:16,809 --> 00:28:23,669 this podcast i think one is helping financial professionals understand how to talk with 334 00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:30,109 bitcoiners bitcoiners are a unique bunch and i love that graph that gets circulated on twitter 335 00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:34,309 every once in a while of the personality types and my briggs personality types is i you know i think 336 00:28:34,309 --> 00:28:42,449 it's like vast majority is entj and intj and i think that's just like an interesting data point 337 00:28:42,449 --> 00:28:49,389 because Bitcoiners do generally have a way of thinking and they're wired a particular way. 338 00:28:49,469 --> 00:28:52,229 I think a certain type of person is attracted to Bitcoin. 339 00:28:52,489 --> 00:28:57,209 And so one of the things or one of the ways I think I stand out for my competition is I 340 00:28:57,209 --> 00:28:59,009 speak my client's language. 341 00:28:59,229 --> 00:29:03,729 You know, it's like understanding like the language of Bitcoin, which is, you know, fairly 342 00:29:03,729 --> 00:29:07,989 chronically online and understanding the memes and, you know, what they mean and what they're 343 00:29:07,989 --> 00:29:09,689 trying to achieve. 344 00:29:09,689 --> 00:29:15,069 And so that advisor, like you were saying, automatically taking a defensive position, 345 00:29:15,209 --> 00:29:20,329 trying to justify like allocation in the best performing asset over the last 10 years. 346 00:29:20,829 --> 00:29:23,389 You don't want to be on your heels with this kind of stuff. 347 00:29:23,449 --> 00:29:27,809 Like you want to be proud and then you need to be able to, you know, obviously communicate 348 00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:28,789 your investment thesis. 349 00:29:29,249 --> 00:29:35,329 And the second trend, I think, too, is we'll be talking about how to integrate Bitcoin in 350 00:29:35,329 --> 00:29:39,309 your practice and what that means for the service you offer and the business model. 351 00:29:39,689 --> 00:29:43,049 any tweaks you need to make to your business model. 352 00:29:43,509 --> 00:29:45,489 You know, one of the things I specifically do 353 00:29:45,489 --> 00:29:48,189 that I've been talking to a lot more wealth managers about 354 00:29:48,189 --> 00:29:51,909 is, you know, Bitcoiners don't necessarily want to be charged 355 00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:55,069 AUM fees on Bitcoin. 356 00:29:55,349 --> 00:29:58,609 And it's like, okay, if you're sitting in your wealth manager chair, 357 00:29:58,609 --> 00:30:03,449 are you just allocating 1% to 5% of their Bitcoin 358 00:30:03,449 --> 00:30:05,869 or their portfolio into the Bitcoin ETF 359 00:30:05,869 --> 00:30:08,249 just to say that you have some Bitcoin exposure? 360 00:30:08,249 --> 00:30:14,429 or are you actually doing good work to try to get them to have some self-custody Bitcoin 361 00:30:14,429 --> 00:30:31,138 and be fully in control of their wealth And then how are you charging on that So bitcoin will force you to reevaluate your business practices i think for the better bitcoin has a way of aligning incentives 362 00:30:31,138 --> 00:30:37,958 and i think that just comes from its beautiful design to begin with i think it's very unique 363 00:30:37,958 --> 00:30:43,058 in that aspect and so we'll help you walk through these conversations and we're going to bring on 364 00:30:43,058 --> 00:30:48,778 folks to talk to how they've done it. We'll obviously share our opinions on how we've done 365 00:30:48,778 --> 00:30:52,918 it, how we've seen other folks do it. And this is really meant to be not something you should 366 00:30:52,918 --> 00:30:56,578 shy away from, but rather a learning experience to get the wheels turning. 367 00:31:00,538 --> 00:31:05,618 If you're a financial professional working with Bitcoin, you know the pain of messy CSVs, 368 00:31:05,618 --> 00:31:11,498 broken cost basis, and accounting tools that were never built for this asset. Bitment fixes that. 369 00:31:11,498 --> 00:31:17,118 Bitment is the Bitcoin-native accounting platform built for CPAs, bookkeepers, advisors, 370 00:31:17,558 --> 00:31:22,378 miners, and serious Bitcoin investors. You get clean Bitcoin bank statements, 371 00:31:22,698 --> 00:31:28,538 reliable cost basis tracking, full reporting, and fiat integration through Plaid. No crypto talk, 372 00:31:28,698 --> 00:31:32,018 no workarounds, just proper accounting for the hardest money on earth. 373 00:31:32,478 --> 00:31:35,718 Create a free account or book a demo at bitment.co today. 374 00:31:35,718 --> 00:31:54,898 Yeah. And I think highlighting even for the small business clients that we work with, and I'm sure that, well, we can definitely test on our side. You integrate Bitcoin. It is scary at first, but you learn and you test things with small amounts. And it's honestly, it's fun. 375 00:31:54,898 --> 00:32:23,398 If you've never really played around with a computer or gotten into like the terminal and, you know, written any code for fun, it actually is kind of interesting to see these tools talk to each other and then understand that I can send money directly to Wyatt and we didn't have to go through Chase Bank and see if JP Morgan Chase and Jamie Dimon are okay with our, you know, our business relationship. 376 00:32:23,398 --> 00:32:39,918 And of course, they don't have a good record on that anyways, but as we might get into at some point. But the tech itself, for someone who never went to school to study anything with computer science is very interesting. So that's a fun part. 377 00:32:39,918 --> 00:32:55,518 But of course, we're in the industry of helping clients, you know, baseline, keep their wealth, right? But in most cases, try to earn, earn, you know, where they have more wealth at the at the end of our time together. 378 00:32:55,518 --> 00:33:11,998 And seeing how some of these businesses who have been earlier movers in the space, in the Bitcoin space, grow their balance sheet or grow their P&L or grow both has just been really interesting to me. 379 00:33:11,998 --> 00:33:24,538 These merchants now that are able to collect a revenue in either Bitcoin or fiat and they see Bitcoiners move, they vote with their money. 380 00:33:24,538 --> 00:33:36,798 And so if they see whatever, pick the business service or good out there who is out there, they're just willing to accept Bitcoin for their goods or services. 381 00:33:37,138 --> 00:33:45,358 We are willing to go either spend our dollars or spend our Bitcoin and then replace it on the back end and actually go support that business. 382 00:33:45,358 --> 00:34:07,158 And probably Steak and Shake is like the most prominent example that comes to mind of a quasi dying business, right, that took a stand, I guess, about a year and a half, year ago. And my understanding is that their quarter on quarter earnings and top line, like everything is trending. It's all like done a 180 in the in the positive direction. 383 00:34:07,158 --> 00:34:26,898 And so that's the other piece of the puzzle is that for anyone who's brave enough, who also puts in the proof of work to learn and then implements these strategies, either in their own personal investments or their business, they're going to reap a benefit because, you know, Bitcoiners like to say we're still early. 384 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:30,538 And I, I believe that we're still, we're still very early on all of this. 385 00:34:30,638 --> 00:34:32,078 So that's another part. 386 00:34:32,158 --> 00:34:37,718 I know we both work with a small business owners, a good chunk of our time and that the tools 387 00:34:37,718 --> 00:34:40,498 are coming online now to, it makes it much easier. 388 00:34:40,778 --> 00:34:42,498 It makes it an easier pitch, right. 389 00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:46,618 To onboard the small business owners than it was, uh, you know, trying to set somebody 390 00:34:46,618 --> 00:34:49,238 up on a BTC pay server, maybe three or four years ago. 391 00:34:50,498 --> 00:34:51,558 Well, a hundred percent. 392 00:34:51,558 --> 00:34:58,218 And that's why I think to allude more on my previous point of why Bitcoin financial service 393 00:34:58,218 --> 00:35:01,118 is such an exciting industry to be in right now. 394 00:35:01,238 --> 00:35:04,778 And we'll be bringing these folks on to discuss on the pod. 395 00:35:04,838 --> 00:35:09,038 But I'm extremely thankful for the entrepreneurs and builders in this space, because my point 396 00:35:09,038 --> 00:35:15,178 as an advisor, we have companies like Orange Bridge and Horizon that are building out home 397 00:35:15,178 --> 00:35:17,578 equity line of credit products of Simply Buy Bitcoin. 398 00:35:17,578 --> 00:35:24,318 We have Zach Townsend over at Meanwhile, he's built a Bitcoin denominated whole life insurance policy. 399 00:35:25,098 --> 00:35:29,258 We have a lot of different lending companies that are popping up. 400 00:35:29,338 --> 00:35:46,018 And so we have a lot of tools and resources at our fingertips that weren't necessarily there two to three years ago to help our clients better utilize their Bitcoin, to better acquire more Bitcoin, to utilize different assets. 401 00:35:46,018 --> 00:35:50,638 to further their Bitcoin acquisition and utilization strategies. 402 00:35:50,838 --> 00:35:53,418 And so I think that's extremely exciting. 403 00:35:53,518 --> 00:35:57,618 It will be helping our audience learn about how these, 404 00:35:58,378 --> 00:36:00,438 what these tools are, who's building these tools. 405 00:36:00,438 --> 00:36:05,598 I think one of the most important things you can be doing from our seats, 406 00:36:05,938 --> 00:36:09,998 Jordan, working with clients is just understanding how to perform due diligence 407 00:36:09,998 --> 00:36:14,978 on Bitcoin companies or companies operating within the Bitcoin space. 408 00:36:14,978 --> 00:36:22,038 um i you know when i go to a new service provider one of the things i you know look for first is like 409 00:36:22,038 --> 00:36:27,658 do they service crypto do they have a token you know bitcoiners don't want to work with these 410 00:36:27,658 --> 00:36:32,358 types of companies and i tend to be at the belief where i'm probably going to be pretty judgmental 411 00:36:32,358 --> 00:36:37,798 off the bat if you do any of those things and i'm gonna question and judge your incentive structure 412 00:36:37,798 --> 00:36:42,778 because i already think you're leading consumers down a road that shouldn't be traveled and so 413 00:36:42,778 --> 00:36:48,758 we'll help you know different professionals you know identify what is is valid or not you know 414 00:36:48,758 --> 00:36:53,458 unfortunately there's still a lot of scams in this you know industry that we we have to overcome so 415 00:36:53,458 --> 00:36:59,538 just identifying quality service providers to to work with and to your point jordan there i was in 416 00:36:59,538 --> 00:37:08,678 2024 i went to bitcoin for corporations michael saylor's um conference and he had i believe the 417 00:37:08,678 --> 00:37:17,238 president of bc media and he gave a keynote just about the brand of bitcoin this to your your 418 00:37:17,238 --> 00:37:24,358 stake and shake coin where bitcoin has an amazing brand and it has a very cool brand and if you're 419 00:37:24,358 --> 00:37:31,638 able to tap into that that gives you um i think tremendous competitive advantage by just embracing 420 00:37:31,638 --> 00:37:40,398 Bitcoin and Bitcoiners. Where we need to be cognizant of what that means, I think, and I think 421 00:37:40,398 --> 00:37:47,858 some we're going to helpfully help steer the ship on in this industry is Bitcoin's the culture. 422 00:37:47,858 --> 00:37:53,078 Bitcoin is kind of this amorphous thing, right? It's a grassroots movement. Satoshi Nakamoto is 423 00:37:53,078 --> 00:37:59,598 So pseudonym, no one company, country or individual controls Bitcoin. 424 00:37:59,958 --> 00:38:04,978 So it's the individuals that interact with the protocol that really kind of shape its 425 00:38:04,978 --> 00:38:06,758 future, which is extremely exciting. 426 00:38:06,758 --> 00:38:13,298 And I think regardless of what industry you operate in, you have the responsibility to 427 00:38:13,298 --> 00:38:17,138 build that industry within the principles, ethos and values of Bitcoin. 428 00:38:17,338 --> 00:38:22,318 And what Jordan and I are specifically trying to do is apply those to the financial services 429 00:38:22,318 --> 00:38:22,838 industry. 430 00:38:23,078 --> 00:38:52,018 Yeah. I mean, if you just take a step back, right, broadly speaking, trust is at potentially all time lows. Right. And so and that's I love the point that you brought up about us helping professionals identify the correct partners in the space and be able to very quickly sniff out folks who are just potentially running not all the way scams, 431 00:38:52,018 --> 00:38:58,378 but things that could easily rug their clients. Because all of us know, if you make a recommendation 432 00:38:58,378 --> 00:39:05,358 to your client for them to go use a service or some kind of product, and it turns out 433 00:39:05,358 --> 00:39:11,218 that is not legitimate, you refer Block or your client to BlockFi or FTX, God forbid, 434 00:39:11,618 --> 00:39:17,258 you know, a few years back, you most likely lose that client. You potentially find yourself 435 00:39:17,258 --> 00:39:23,298 in some legal trouble. And so that's kind of, it's funny. I almost think about us. 436 00:39:24,338 --> 00:39:30,218 You and I probably both watch Marty and Matt on rabbit hole recap, right? They are kind of 437 00:39:30,218 --> 00:39:36,698 constantly on the cutting edge of, Hey, should you use this tool? And more so on the wallet side, 438 00:39:36,698 --> 00:39:43,698 the kind of more technical side of things, be it lightning, multi-sig, some of the 439 00:39:43,698 --> 00:39:50,858 mini script type of tech that's coming out. That's again, no, no financial advisor is going to go 440 00:39:50,858 --> 00:39:56,138 read a GitHub repo, right? So that's not our audience. But for us, there's all these financial 441 00:39:56,138 --> 00:40:03,078 services companies that are popping up. And I would love for us to serve the role of, hey, look, 442 00:40:03,078 --> 00:40:07,118 we vetted these people. We've, we've either, you know, got on calls with the founders, 443 00:40:07,118 --> 00:40:12,358 we've interviewed folks, and we're critical. And I think that that's one of the beautiful 444 00:40:12,358 --> 00:40:18,898 things about Bitcoiners is that we hold ourselves, our companies, our partners, everyone in our lives 445 00:40:18,898 --> 00:40:25,838 to a very high standard. And, you know, some people call us maximalists or say that we're 446 00:40:25,838 --> 00:40:32,798 toxic for that, but it really comes down to, we've seen too many people get burned and there are 447 00:40:32,798 --> 00:40:39,478 unsuspecting folks who come into a situation and they are the, you know, they're the retail that 448 00:40:39,478 --> 00:40:48,038 buys what the big players are selling and they get screwed. And so it's important. I mean, even 449 00:40:48,038 --> 00:40:55,418 some of these Bitcoin treasury companies, I think that that still has to play its course, 450 00:40:55,578 --> 00:41:01,238 but financial advisors play an extremely important role to help clients think through 451 00:41:01,238 --> 00:41:07,758 what are the actual fundamentals in this? Why are we putting money in this versus actually just 452 00:41:07,758 --> 00:41:13,618 buying out real outright Bitcoin. And so those are, there's just constantly, there's things 453 00:41:13,618 --> 00:41:20,018 changing. So I really love that we are helping really at the advisor level because you help an 454 00:41:20,018 --> 00:41:25,978 advisor understand these concepts. You don't just reach, it's not a one-to-one where you reach a 455 00:41:25,978 --> 00:41:33,318 client, you reach a service provider that then helps you actually reach closer to a hundred, 456 00:41:33,318 --> 00:41:39,658 200 300 clients like however they service within their firm and that's just a nice multiplying 457 00:41:39,658 --> 00:41:46,718 effect right so and and it's something we're up against because even xrp right you talk to any like 458 00:41:46,718 --> 00:41:55,318 dude you talk to any just normal uh like a server or an uber driver or just kind of anyone off the 459 00:41:55,318 --> 00:42:01,598 street and if you mention bitcoin it's so funny at this point to me i almost think they're kidding 460 00:42:01,598 --> 00:42:05,998 with me. Like, I think that I've heard it so much. I'm like, you're, I almost want to be like, 461 00:42:06,038 --> 00:42:13,298 you're joking. Right. But they're not. And so in some ways, I think we have to upgrade Bitcoin's 462 00:42:13,298 --> 00:42:17,618 marketing team, which of course it doesn't have an actual marketing team other than just Bitcoiners 463 00:42:17,618 --> 00:42:24,198 to be able to reach people and protect them from just a lot of misinformation out there is what I, 464 00:42:24,198 --> 00:42:29,978 is what I'll say. So, oh, it's crazy amounts of misinformation, man. And that's what, 465 00:42:29,978 --> 00:42:31,538 to your point about, you know, 466 00:42:31,798 --> 00:42:33,938 earlier proof of stake versus proof of work networks, 467 00:42:34,078 --> 00:42:37,158 you know, all these venture funded projects, 468 00:42:37,158 --> 00:42:38,778 if we want to call them that, 469 00:42:39,098 --> 00:42:42,738 they pour tons of money in these flashy marketing schemes 470 00:42:42,738 --> 00:42:44,278 that grabs people's attention. 471 00:42:44,758 --> 00:42:47,158 The XRP thing like blows my freaking mind. 472 00:42:47,278 --> 00:42:50,498 Like I used to get texts about Ethereum or Solana 473 00:42:50,498 --> 00:42:52,918 and now it's almost only exclusively XRP 474 00:42:52,918 --> 00:42:54,818 if it's not about Bitcoin. 475 00:42:55,178 --> 00:42:57,198 I've just wondered like why that is, 476 00:42:57,258 --> 00:42:59,458 like why it's kind of catching like the Zeitgeist 477 00:42:59,458 --> 00:43:00,278 I have no idea. 478 00:43:00,698 --> 00:43:03,458 I generally just direct people to Pierre Richard's profile. 479 00:43:03,958 --> 00:43:06,058 You know, pretty almost weekly. 480 00:43:06,178 --> 00:43:09,538 He's destroying XRP, which is awesome. 481 00:43:10,198 --> 00:43:12,078 And he's a great resource for that. 482 00:43:12,218 --> 00:43:16,358 But yeah, to your point, Jordan, you know, one of the reasons why, you know, kind of building 483 00:43:16,358 --> 00:43:17,478 off the summit. 484 00:43:17,618 --> 00:43:20,218 So we weren't sure how the summit was going to go. 485 00:43:20,278 --> 00:43:21,298 We put a ton of work in it. 486 00:43:21,918 --> 00:43:26,078 Fortunately, you know, I think we're both super proud and stoked with how it turned out. 487 00:43:26,078 --> 00:43:32,058 you know, we got a ton of great feedback. The all the attendees and the speakers had very positive 488 00:43:32,058 --> 00:43:36,658 things to say. And so that was really all we needed to do, you know, round two. So we already 489 00:43:36,658 --> 00:43:42,778 decided we're running back to some in 2026, December, or excuse me, October 24 through 26 490 00:43:42,778 --> 00:43:50,278 in Denver, Colorado at the space be there. We'll have exciting updates coming to the website and 491 00:43:50,278 --> 00:43:55,338 newsletter. But it was really from there where it's like, okay, we really have something going 492 00:43:55,338 --> 00:43:59,758 here, we kind of like struck a nerve. And so we were just thinking of how we can make this bigger 493 00:43:59,758 --> 00:44:08,018 and better and more impactful for the folks we're trying to serve. And that just kind of naturally 494 00:44:08,018 --> 00:44:14,518 led into a long form conversation via the podcast so we can help build trust within this community. 495 00:44:15,258 --> 00:44:21,578 That's why I trust Marty and Matt. Yeah, met them a couple of times like offhand. They don't really 496 00:44:21,578 --> 00:44:26,278 know me from Adam, but I trust these guys because I've listened to hours and hours and hours of them 497 00:44:26,278 --> 00:44:32,958 for years. And so that was only because of like the long form content they produce. And something 498 00:44:32,958 --> 00:44:37,498 Jordan and I take very seriously stepping into that role of trying to do that same thing for 499 00:44:37,498 --> 00:44:43,038 our specific niche is actually taking the time to bring on the service providers and the people 500 00:44:43,038 --> 00:44:46,498 building these companies and talk to them about how they run their companies and talk to them 501 00:44:46,498 --> 00:44:48,918 about the business model decisions they made 502 00:44:48,918 --> 00:44:52,498 to intentionally serve as Bitcoiners and Bitcoiners only. 503 00:44:52,678 --> 00:44:54,718 And so I think that's going to be extremely valuable. 504 00:44:55,098 --> 00:44:58,878 I still like to do business a bit of an old school way. 505 00:44:58,958 --> 00:45:00,878 I think you got this in you as well, Jordan, 506 00:45:00,878 --> 00:45:06,158 where I don't really feel comfortable recommending a partner 507 00:45:06,158 --> 00:45:12,258 or vendor to a client if I haven't actually sat down 508 00:45:12,258 --> 00:45:14,878 and talked with them and gotten the opportunity 509 00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:17,238 to understand how their business works. 510 00:45:17,398 --> 00:45:19,798 And so that's one of the things 511 00:45:19,798 --> 00:45:21,818 I'm most excited about doing this 512 00:45:21,818 --> 00:45:25,818 and just having this long form content component 513 00:45:25,818 --> 00:45:31,447 on top of the summit to make the community more robust and the summit even more fruitful 514 00:45:56,827 --> 00:46:00,767 stay compliant while building for the long term. To learn more or book a consultation, 515 00:46:01,207 --> 00:46:08,367 visit satoshipacioli.com. Yeah. Yeah. So I think we should probably just make sure. So the cadence 516 00:46:08,367 --> 00:46:14,707 of the show will be a weekly show. We're going to see how many weeks we can get in a row. I know 517 00:46:14,707 --> 00:46:20,047 Marty and Matt are at some large number. And of course, we're not competing with Marty and Matt, 518 00:46:20,087 --> 00:46:24,467 but they do keep coming up because they kind of are one of the shows I go back to when I do go 519 00:46:24,467 --> 00:46:28,607 back to a Bitcoin podcast. And you don't always, you know, you get to a point where you're like, 520 00:46:28,687 --> 00:46:32,507 I don't listen to Bitcoin podcast all the time. I know you're supposed to listen to 40 hours a week, 521 00:46:32,567 --> 00:46:38,867 but I, I, uh, 40 hours a week, man. That's the other thing is we're going to bring in 522 00:46:38,867 --> 00:46:45,247 some, uh, some older advisors. We're going to bring them up to speed on the memes. That's just 523 00:46:45,247 --> 00:46:50,667 like ancillary benefit of listening to the show. And then this time next year, you're going to walk 524 00:46:50,667 --> 00:46:56,467 into Thanksgiving and you're going to know all the lingo for your millennials in the household, 525 00:46:56,647 --> 00:47:01,267 even potentially some zoomers. I know, I don't know why, you're like right on the cusp, right? 526 00:47:01,787 --> 00:47:09,027 Are you officially a zoomer or no? It depends on who you ask. I'm like right on the cutoff year. 527 00:47:09,147 --> 00:47:12,607 So I generally just use it to my advantage depending on the conversation I'm having. 528 00:47:13,127 --> 00:47:17,207 I love it. Okay. So you're flip-flopping depending on if it's an older client, younger client. 529 00:47:17,207 --> 00:47:24,667 that's right yeah all right cool well um yeah i think that that probably sums it up i know that's 530 00:47:24,667 --> 00:47:32,667 just a big intro there's so many pieces uh that we could really uh dive into but of course it is 531 00:47:32,667 --> 00:47:37,687 the day after black friday meaning it is a saturday um you know we've got our families and 532 00:47:37,687 --> 00:47:43,447 all that so we should we'll probably wrap it up here soon i guess do we want to maybe just give a 533 00:47:43,447 --> 00:47:51,067 high level of, uh, some, maybe a highlight from the, from the actual summit. And then let's end 534 00:47:51,067 --> 00:47:57,407 with, you know, maybe a few topics that you're excited about, you know, speaking about in some 535 00:47:57,407 --> 00:48:01,367 of the future episodes, give people, you already gave someone, you gave everyone a teaser about all 536 00:48:01,367 --> 00:48:07,147 the companies that, that you are, uh, LP on, but maybe give us that teaser as well, Wyatt, 537 00:48:07,307 --> 00:48:13,327 and I'll do the same after you. Yeah, absolutely. So I think one of the things we did, 538 00:48:13,447 --> 00:48:18,807 really well and were really intentional about just building out the schedule of the summit. 539 00:48:18,807 --> 00:48:25,447 And so we built in a lot of time for folks to organically network. I think the content was 540 00:48:25,447 --> 00:48:32,267 amazing. All the content's available on the Space YouTube channel at Denver Space. 541 00:48:33,587 --> 00:48:39,887 And so that was phenomenal. But when people go to conferences, myself included, I want to talk to 542 00:48:39,887 --> 00:48:43,867 people. That's how I justify the business expense. I want to potentially meet new clients. I want 543 00:48:43,867 --> 00:48:48,707 to potentially meet new business partners. If I learn something from the content, that's fantastic. 544 00:48:49,307 --> 00:48:53,967 And so I thought our networking segments were amazing. You know, we had long breakfasts, 545 00:48:53,967 --> 00:49:00,267 long lunch. We brought everybody together for group meals in the evening. We had some 546 00:49:00,267 --> 00:49:05,807 entertainment with wine and bourbon tasting and just giving people kind of that organic surface 547 00:49:05,807 --> 00:49:12,387 area to meet each other, to actually sit down and have a conversation as opposed to some sort of like 548 00:49:12,387 --> 00:49:19,147 speed networking slash dating, you know, setup that's not very real or organic, I think is 549 00:49:19,147 --> 00:49:23,747 really important. And we're already kind of workshopping some ways we can expand on that 550 00:49:23,747 --> 00:49:28,247 next year and tweak the schedule to offer more of that. But that was some of the things 551 00:49:28,247 --> 00:49:31,447 I enjoyed the most and got some of the most positive feedback on. 552 00:49:31,447 --> 00:49:41,367 yeah i mean if i had to point to no and i agree with all that by the way i you know it was very 553 00:49:41,367 --> 00:49:44,947 crazy that andrew holmes came out it was crazy that a lot of people came out i mean we could 554 00:49:44,947 --> 00:49:49,287 probably run down the list and there's there's a lot of names on that list of like wow really 555 00:49:49,287 --> 00:49:55,267 gracious of them to spend their time with us uh andrew holmes coming in that was just a huge win 556 00:49:55,267 --> 00:50:01,127 i'm very excited to hear you know all the updates that he has going into the new year 557 00:50:01,127 --> 00:50:08,607 and I'll be thrilled to have him on the show here as soon as we can, just because I think a lot of 558 00:50:08,607 --> 00:50:14,347 Bitcoiners are just asking themselves, especially younger Bitcoiners. So, you know, we're $38 559 00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:18,427 trillion in debt. So what are we doing here? You know, you guys just going to hand that off to us 560 00:50:18,427 --> 00:50:25,707 and say good luck. And so I love what he's cooking up with BPI to help the U.S. government 561 00:50:25,707 --> 00:50:30,307 potentially dig themselves out of their debt hole using Bitcoin. 562 00:50:30,787 --> 00:50:31,907 So I really loved that. 563 00:50:32,387 --> 00:50:34,867 Loved having Morgan and Pierre come and speak. 564 00:50:35,467 --> 00:50:41,047 And then, yeah, we grabbed John from ZapRite, the CEO and founder. 565 00:50:41,627 --> 00:50:43,487 He jumped on board. 566 00:50:43,727 --> 00:50:47,007 Man, it was like a week prior, I think, that we talked to him. 567 00:50:47,007 --> 00:50:49,947 And he was like, all right, I'm going to be able to fly in from like, 568 00:50:50,007 --> 00:50:51,687 he was somewhere in Canada or something. 569 00:50:52,427 --> 00:50:55,087 So anyways, and that was one other fun part. 570 00:50:55,087 --> 00:51:02,067 well, it's fun to look back on it now, but the event planning was, it's a whirlwind, right? You, 571 00:51:02,167 --> 00:51:07,447 you think you've got something, oh, it changed. Oh, we've got to completely rewrite this part of it. 572 00:51:07,587 --> 00:51:12,067 And even doing that on the fly. I remember when we first, when the event was about to start on 573 00:51:12,067 --> 00:51:16,307 Friday, I don't know if you remember this. It's like, where's Pierre? You know, we're about to 574 00:51:16,307 --> 00:51:22,607 start. We're about to start, like we're kicking things off. He's the first keynote and he's nowhere 575 00:51:22,607 --> 00:51:30,927 to be found right and so and of course he he made it in on time shout out to pierre um with the whole 576 00:51:30,927 --> 00:51:35,007 family that was the other thing very family friendly oriented oriented event which we want 577 00:51:35,007 --> 00:51:40,287 to keep it that way uh just because bitcoiners have families we are if if nothing else dude we 578 00:51:40,287 --> 00:51:49,007 will we will uh we will make sure to out reproduce the xrp guys almost certainly so um bullish on that 579 00:51:49,007 --> 00:52:05,147 Um, yeah. And then I guess on my side, specifically, when I look out to some of the different topics that I know we'll cover, of course, I'm in the accounting tax side. So getting into some different strategies for being as efficient as possible on taxes. 580 00:52:05,147 --> 00:52:15,407 I'm curious to learn more from you, Wyatt, and some of our guests exactly what you all think about some different income strategies with Bitcoin. 581 00:52:15,947 --> 00:52:32,247 So earning a legitimate yield on your Bitcoin, whether that's peer-to-peer lending or potentially some option strategies with something like an IBIT or posting Bitcoin to the Lightning Network and earning a routing fee. 582 00:52:32,247 --> 00:52:40,727 just getting into the weeds on legitimate practices within the Bitcoin ecosystem versus, 583 00:52:41,827 --> 00:52:47,487 hey, give me your coins. I'm going to pay you this high yield. And anyone with half a brain 584 00:52:47,487 --> 00:52:53,387 sitting around thinking, well, how are you paying me 10% on my whatever Solana holdings or whatever, 585 00:52:53,387 --> 00:53:00,287 right? How are you making money on that deal? And I think that's a legitimate question that 586 00:53:00,287 --> 00:53:05,667 everyone should be asking. And so it's just that classic, like if it's, if it sounds too good to 587 00:53:05,667 --> 00:53:11,747 be true, it probably is. So I'm, I'm excited for some Bitcoiners to even, you know, teach me some 588 00:53:11,747 --> 00:53:17,927 things through this process to say, Hey, you're thinking about that wrong. Uh, you should, you're 589 00:53:17,927 --> 00:53:21,987 not, this is a blind spot that you've got, but I'll help you see it. And then you're going to 590 00:53:21,987 --> 00:53:26,887 help your clients make sure they see it as well. So toll is so exciting. I couldn't be more excited. 591 00:53:26,887 --> 00:53:29,507 So 100%. 592 00:53:29,507 --> 00:53:31,807 Now, I'm excited to get into all those things as well. 593 00:53:31,947 --> 00:53:34,807 I always learn a ton from you, Jordan, on the tax side. 594 00:53:35,387 --> 00:53:36,987 You make quite a few mental notes. 595 00:53:37,127 --> 00:53:38,727 I was like, oh, I probably shouldn't do that again. 596 00:53:38,807 --> 00:53:40,007 Or it's like, oh, that's good to that. 597 00:53:40,347 --> 00:53:40,807 Like, whoops. 598 00:53:42,707 --> 00:53:46,107 And so that will be just great general knowledge. 599 00:53:46,167 --> 00:53:49,047 I'm very excited to break down these products and understand. 600 00:53:49,447 --> 00:53:52,607 Yeah, it's like, okay, how are you generating the yield? 601 00:53:52,687 --> 00:53:53,687 How is my Bitcoin custody? 602 00:53:53,687 --> 00:53:56,547 All these things are very important for us to understand. 603 00:53:56,887 --> 00:54:02,447 One of the things I will be hammering home quite a bit is I think specifically the wealth 604 00:54:02,447 --> 00:54:06,507 management industry has needed to change for a long time. 605 00:54:06,507 --> 00:54:11,107 I think even, you know, Tradify normies are kind of sick of the standard AUM fees just 606 00:54:11,107 --> 00:54:14,327 to be put into passive index funds. 607 00:54:14,607 --> 00:54:23,107 And so I think Bitcoin is really going to shake up this specific subsect of the financial 608 00:54:23,107 --> 00:54:24,047 services industry. 609 00:54:24,047 --> 00:54:42,587 I'm really excited to be on the leading front of that and talking to other folks that are on the leading front of that and really kind of trying to help wealth managers specifically understand their business model, how their business model can change on a Bitcoin standard, what type of services would be new or pertinent for them to offer, like being a key agent. 610 00:54:43,067 --> 00:54:47,867 So I think this industry has been ripe for disruption for a long time. 611 00:54:47,947 --> 00:54:50,307 I think Bitcoin is going to have a big role to play in that. 612 00:54:50,307 --> 00:55:04,647 And then just something I think we can add the most value to our audience building on the summit is one of the most impactful things I've done in my career is join the Bitcoin Financial Advisors Network. 613 00:55:04,647 --> 00:55:13,007 And that's a brain trust about 11 other advisors across the country that lead with Bitcoin and their Bitcoin financial advisors. 614 00:55:13,247 --> 00:55:24,027 And we have a quarterly called brain trust call to bounce up different case study ideas or talk about different, you know, customer solutions or lending products. 615 00:55:24,267 --> 00:55:33,287 And one of the things as we get this really humming is we want to focus heavily on building out a community. 616 00:55:33,287 --> 00:55:35,167 We have a signal chat. 617 00:55:35,327 --> 00:55:39,007 We're looking to build a forum as well. 618 00:55:39,147 --> 00:55:40,747 We're getting a newsletter started. 619 00:55:40,967 --> 00:55:46,407 And I would just encourage everybody to really plug in to the community aspect and work with 620 00:55:46,407 --> 00:55:52,027 other like-minded professionals and understand the Bitcoin pie is so large. 621 00:55:52,027 --> 00:55:57,567 And there's such a growing contingency of Bitcoin wealth out there that you're very 622 00:55:57,567 --> 00:56:03,127 much more on the same team than you are competitors and that everybody has the opportunity to 623 00:56:03,127 --> 00:56:09,507 win in this scenario. And so I'm really excited about getting this community aspect off the ground 624 00:56:09,507 --> 00:56:16,847 because I've learned more from Bitcoiners than anybody else. And I think we have a really cool 625 00:56:16,847 --> 00:56:21,087 opportunity to help facilitate that in the financial services industry. 626 00:56:21,887 --> 00:56:28,167 Yeah. No, absolutely. Yeah. So we'll make sure that there's links in the description of the video 627 00:56:28,167 --> 00:56:31,647 and of the podcast to join the Signal Group. 628 00:56:31,827 --> 00:56:33,767 Of course, there are rules in there. 629 00:56:34,087 --> 00:56:36,947 If you do try to tout a shitcoin, 630 00:56:37,147 --> 00:56:38,367 you're going to be removed. 631 00:56:38,667 --> 00:56:40,867 And so just we kind of lead with that. 632 00:56:40,987 --> 00:56:44,067 So we're not pulling any punches if that happens to you. 633 00:56:44,447 --> 00:56:47,187 We were very upfront with that and will continue to be. 634 00:56:47,187 --> 00:56:49,967 So yeah, I would echo that too. 635 00:56:50,187 --> 00:56:51,627 We're excited to build a community of folks 636 00:56:51,627 --> 00:56:53,467 and help people build their businesses, 637 00:56:53,987 --> 00:56:56,367 grow their wealth, grow a legacy for their family. 638 00:56:56,367 --> 00:57:06,467 and um yeah it's great so uh i think we will lead off or leave it there um yeah we will be back 639 00:57:06,467 --> 00:57:11,507 next well i guess are there any announcements on your side wyatt anything you want to talk through 640 00:57:11,507 --> 00:57:18,267 i guess this will probably come out um i hope next wednesday which would be the third december 641 00:57:18,267 --> 00:57:23,487 3rd yeah uh we just have a lot of exciting things kind of kicking off here very shortly 642 00:57:23,487 --> 00:57:28,647 we got updated website like i mentioned we got the newsletter and the signal chat so i encourage you 643 00:57:28,647 --> 00:57:32,647 to follow along with all those things like and subscribe and and share all these so we can really 644 00:57:32,647 --> 00:57:38,727 kind of help get some momentum going and help you know market and get the word out for the the summit 645 00:57:38,727 --> 00:57:43,867 uh better next year that's really kind of you know our our bread and butter and this is just really 646 00:57:43,867 --> 00:57:48,627 all these efforts are meant to support the summit because there's nothing better than get point 647 00:57:48,627 --> 00:57:55,907 Bitcoiners together in person. So just be on the lookout for that. I will be at Bitcoin Mina. I 648 00:57:55,907 --> 00:58:01,767 would love to meet up with anybody in this space who would love to chat. Jordan and I are pretty 649 00:58:01,767 --> 00:58:06,527 frequently getting to different Bitcoin conferences. And so we'd love to bump into you. 650 00:58:06,907 --> 00:58:11,907 Yeah. Yeah, no, that's great. And the only thing I would say, so if it comes down on the third, 651 00:58:11,907 --> 00:58:21,187 a week later if you are in the nashville area we will be hosting a um a like bitcoin tax and policy 652 00:58:21,187 --> 00:58:28,187 update we're partnering with bpi that'll be at the bitcoin park and it will be so december 10th 653 00:58:28,187 --> 00:58:36,427 from 5 to 8 p.m uh central time so if you're around there's the meetup.com you can go to the 654 00:58:36,427 --> 00:58:44,467 Bitcoin Park site and sign up. It's free to attend. So we'll just be discussing. Be on the lookout. 655 00:58:44,607 --> 00:58:49,807 We might be having a U.S. senator come in and give a quick little fireside chat. On the tax side, 656 00:58:49,867 --> 00:58:57,607 specifically, we're going to be giving updates on Big Beautiful Bill, how that changes personal and 657 00:58:57,607 --> 00:59:04,187 business tax considerations. And then also, yeah, we'll hone in a little bit on the bonus 658 00:59:04,187 --> 00:59:10,627 depreciation side for our business clients and then any of our clients that are in the Bitcoin 659 00:59:10,627 --> 00:59:16,427 mining space, because at that point we'll have, we'll still have roughly three weeks to make some, 660 00:59:16,487 --> 00:59:22,007 to make some adjustments if needed prior to year end. So yeah, if you're around a Nashville area, 661 00:59:22,007 --> 00:59:29,667 make sure to come out. So cool. All right, well, we'll, we'll leave it there. If you have any 662 00:59:29,667 --> 00:59:35,527 questions or if you want to request that we speak about any topics or you have a suggestion on 663 00:59:35,527 --> 00:59:40,707 someone we should bring on to the show here, you can actually shoot us an email at contact at 664 00:59:40,707 --> 00:59:47,767 bffs.media. And we will, we are monitoring that email and we'll get back to you. Okay. 665 00:59:48,187 --> 00:59:51,767 Thanks so much, everyone, for tuning into the first episode and we will see you next time. 666 00:59:51,767 --> 01:00:21,747 Thank you. 667 01:00:21,767 --> 01:00:51,747 Thank you.