This is World Life Unschooling with my mom.
Ah, perfect. Nice. Jackie, very welcome to this podcast. I haven't been recording,
I don't know, maybe for two months, three months, four months, even, I don't know,
because we were traveling so much. And I didn't really have this inspiration to talk to anyone
about unschooling. But you and me, we recorded an episode for your podcast. And I wanted to
invite you for a long time. And after that episode that we recorded, I felt like, wow,
you had so many great questions. I want to know exactly the same about you and your project.
So this is why you're here. You are the founder of a very, very nice educational project on
Madeira, People for People, it's called. And I think you have a really great vision when
it comes to what we need for the future, if we want to change how we live right now. I'm
so super happy that you're here with me because you are very, I already said it, you're inspirational,
you are really someone I'm looking up to.
I really need to say this.
So I'm so happy that you're here with me.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for introducing.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, so where should I start?
I don't know, everywhere.
Maybe we can start with the question,
what did you do before you founded that project?
Why did you end up with this thought about,
yeah, let's do that.
That's a good idea.
I think a lot of people have this feeling of, yeah, I would like to start something, but the struggle is real.
For everyone who started, even a small project, it is so hard to follow through with these kind of things.
And I think you are a pioneer. That makes it even harder.
So tell me, how did you end up there in this position?
Okay, let's start from the beginning.
And first of all, I want to tell you all my English is not the best.
So, but I try what I can try and hopefully you will understand what I'm telling you.
So, yeah, before we start with that project, I was a coach for adults, not for kids.
And I don't know the word in English, but I was a coach for fear and helped people to lose the conditions.
What we had from our parents, from the systems and past life and all this stuff.
So and I did that over 20 years. So I start with the first prevention center.
So that's what it called in Germany. And it was a really nice journey over years.
And then COVID starts. So and everything changed.
And I was a self-employee and my husband, too. And I have three kids, two boys and one daughter.
And my little child goes to the kindergarten and the bigger ones was in the third grade in the basic school.
and then they said from the government
you have to take your kids at home
and they can't go
because you're not relevant guys for the system
so you have to stay at home
and it was new for me to have three kids at home
so 24-7
and it was hard in the beginning
because I don't know how it works
to be with three children at home
and what I have to do
So I was like everyone in the system.
So my kids go to the kindergarten school and I go to my work.
And I'm thinking all the time on another way.
So I'm from a revolution family.
So my parents and me are born in the DDR and they go on another way from DDR to the BRD.
And it was for me a really crazy journey.
We had nothing. And the only thing we had to keep it short was no money.
It was love and freedom. So that was inside of me.
So and yeah, then my kids were at home and I cry a lot of times because I have three extroverted kids.
And yeah, they felt boring and I don't know what I have to do.
And then I'm thinking about, OK, when I feel not good, how many parents are outside and feeling the same way like me?
So I called my friends, I called my neighborhood and all these guys who are sitting at home with the kids.
And then all these parents came to my kitchen and the kids sitting in the living room.
And it was not about the kids. It was about us.
It was about the parents because we was completely gone.
We don't know what we have to do.
And then at some moment in the kitchen that changed everything, the kids were really quiet.
we go to the living room and there were kids between four and ten years and they sitting there
doing their stuff it's not important about the age and doing some projects there and they were
creative and we're looking for that and said okay okay maybe we start with one thing so one day you
take all the kids and one day I take all the kids and we're starting with some projects we can do
some gardening stuff we can build some furnitures or something like that whatever let's ask the kids
what they want to do and that was the beginning from everything and um yeah and most of times the
kids sit in my house so we had a big garden and um and the corona time we can't go out um we only
have to stay at home uh but uh the parents brought the kids to my house it was not a problem and uh
yeah we did what we did and um and it was really nice to see because my old son um maybe you can
help Alex he was he gets some stamps in the school area as you're not good enough you move too much
and all these things and Ligastini discalculate I don't know if it's a word in English and yeah he
was not good for the school so and in that moment when the kids start their own projects from one
to now he could write he could read he could everything but the only thing what was not
happened for that moment you don't go to school anymore so and that opened my eyes for everything
yeah and then it was really nice the bigger kids um teach the smaller kids and the smaller kids
teach the bigger kids so it was really nice and one of our first projects was to build furniture
in in our terrace and it was really nice and my granny um do the pillows and all this stuff with
the kids so we do sewing and we have to build with wood and all this stuff and you have to know
math you have to know language because we were a lot of peoples from russia from germany and all
this stuff in that time and the kids built and own furniture only by themselves the only thing we
have to do is to sit there and have a look that everything works but we don't have to do nothing
so the kids do everything by themselves it was so nice to see yeah and then i thought that one day
okay, we are here in our little bubble.
What if the people in Germany think on the same way
and have the same problems?
And then we start with the first Zoom with Ricardo Lepel.
It's a guy from Austria.
And Ricardo and me, we meet up the first time in 2020
in the high times from Corona.
He's sitting in Thailand and I was in Germany.
And then we start with that.
And we had over 100 people in that Zoom.
and after that Zoom, we created a Telegram channel
and then we were over 3,000 people from one day to the other day
and it grows, grows, grows, but it grows fast.
Maybe too fast because we don't know what we have to do,
but we did something.
But I forgot that some people are outside,
they don't have the same mindset like me and Ricardo
and something was happening.
so we did our stuff and some parents called us or sent us an email um yeah okay where's the next
school where can i bring my kids okay and it was a lot of parents who did that and um and then i
feel sick my energy goes down and uh and i felt that nobody wants to uh bring up to pull over you
know what i mean and i want to be uh strong and uh confident to change something outside no they
waiting for a castle or something like that that the kids can go there and that they can do what
they ever do all the time so but it doesn't work so and then we changed something and um i quit the
channel from one day to the other day because it was too much and it was not the right mindset what
we want and yeah and then we start on a smaller way and start with the right people and uh we told
all the people outside that we need the right people uh not not uh people who wants to consume
or something like that or bring the kids into a room or all this stuff uh we want to create
something new and on that way i uh felt okay do we need a school do we need a school on a freeway
no we don't need nothing so that's what i learned in my garden too that we don't need a new school
system we don't need a new school or the next free school we don't need nothing of them and
i saw on that way in the corona time i traveled a lot with my kids alone with three kids through
a whole europe i tell you it was really crazy but we had the best time in our life yeah and
everything works and the kids they had fun so and they learned from the day what we are doing every
day and they asking me all the time yeah and from that thing kids are learning from the beginning
they're learning when they when we are pregnant it starts yeah maybe before and um it never ends
on that way so learning is the stuff it ends when we die so and not before maybe it goes
far away after that so but the kids they learn all the time and that's what i saw and when they
are interested in something the only thing i have to do i have to support the kids that's what i did
all the time and then um i was uh married um and i'm married too for now but uh my husband for him
it was really new and he was not on these journeys because he was self-employed with a restaurant and
i did everything by myself but he he grows with us in the end and it was a challenge for him too
and then uh was the time when my kids my smaller ones should go to school and it was clear for us
never ever and my little daughter is a special girl she is a high sensitive girl and um in our
system in germany there is no place for how sensitive for higher sensitive kids um that's
not possible and they will get sick and she will get uh grumpy when she's in the school that's what
i feel from the beginning and that's no way for us and uh yeah and then um i have some visions and
And I found an island in these visions, so that's why I'm here for now.
So the island caught me like that.
And yeah, I took my kids and I sold my house on a magical way.
It was before.
And then I said to my biggest son, okay, let's have a look.
Where's the cheapest flight where we can go and have vacations that we can come down and
maybe find a new place.
Yeah, it's for 50 euros.
It's Madera.
Okay, let's go.
It was one week before Christmas in 22.
And then we go.
then we stayed and yeah and we are really happy here and on that way I found a lot of people here
they were Bitcoiners there were spirituality guys and all the way it was a lot of people here from
all the countries all over the world I don't speak any word English so my kids too I understand a
little bit but I can't speak nothing so and some guys thought all the time I don't like them because
I don't answer. And in the end, we don't hang around all the time with German guys.
We go together with Polish guys, with English guys and the guys all over the world. And then we
learn to speak and the kids, they speak a really, really good English for now. And yeah, that's what
was happened. And the kids never learned any vocabularies or something like that. It was
happen when the kids play with other kids at the beach um in the forest or something like that and
then um i decided to start a bigger project so project learning um we asked the kids okay what
you want to learn what is that what you want to do um think about where is the thing where you
have fun with and uh yeah and we create some solutions and with the parents with the kids
and then we start with projects um so chemical projects physical projects horse riding everything
you can imagine what is fun in life and what was the interest from the kids and yeah we start with
that and we grow and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and for now we are the community from
around 100 people here on madera i think it's 30 kids for now not everyone is a member in people
for people but it's not important we support each other and we create since 23 these projects and
and start from here to all over the world.
So we find people who said, OK, I like what you're doing.
And we are a community for conscious living and learning.
And that's the whole thing from people for people.
And we support the adults because unschooling,
that the biggest word for all that what we are doing has to start with the parents not with the kids The kids are ready They are complete And the parents they have to be unschooled
And that's what we do on the same way.
So we start projects for the parents, too, sometimes with the whole family,
because unschooling, it's a family thing, too.
And kids don't want to do all the time projects without the parents.
No, it's a family thing.
And if we do something in the wildness, survival stuff,
it's a nice project to do that with the whole family.
And all the projects we did for the kids, the parents said too,
oh, can I do that too? I really love that.
And then we do that together or we do an extra project for the parents
and it works, it works.
And the kids grow up and the kids, the important thing is
they learn awareness, they learn teamwork,
they learn nonviolent communication.
and they learn self-confidence.
That's the biggest goals,
what they are learning all the time.
And sometimes we had that in the group
when people come from outside,
free learning guys, unschooling guys,
and sometimes the kids don't see any other kids
over two or three years.
It was sometimes a little bit tricky,
but it was nice to see how the group from these kids
from the age from six to 17,
that's our ages in our group,
work with these small problems.
So they find their own solution.
And it's the same if a project doesn't really work well.
The kids ask the teacher, can we change something?
Or can we do it on that or that way?
And they do it all together.
And that's the biggest thing I could see in all the time
that they find their own solutions for their own problems.
And it's really important that we, as a parent,
don't control the kids don't control the projects it's a kids projects and if we grow as a family
in a project then we can decide all together but it's only a kids project it's a kids thing and not
the parents thing or teacher thing and that's really important and it works really well and
the kids are happy the kids feel really good and they get never sick and they want to go and
sometimes they want to wake up in the morning normally we don't have any times for for something
before 10 11 we never start any projects so the only thing is surfing because it's up to the waves
and but it changes all the time sometimes it's 8 30 sometimes it's 10 30 so but for the kids it's
not a problem because they love what they do and they love for what they wake up and i think that's
important thing and and that's what the system never can give to us to our family and to our
kids and and i see especially for my biggest son he's 15 and a half now um he's such a nice guy he's
a teenager okay so every guy who has teenager at home you know what i mean yeah so but it's normal
so and uh but on the other side i'm so proud of him uh when i speak about him and other guys hear
me speaking about him they said oh my god you are so proud of your boy yes and it's because of all
his languages. Now he has a Portuguese
girlfriend. He learns the Portuguese stuff before.
It makes no sense for him. So I speak English.
It's enough for me. And now it makes sense.
And then he starts to learn Portuguese.
So that's the real thing.
And his mindset.
I think when he go to
school in a normal school system,
I saw a lot of stuff there that was
not good for him. And I'm really happy that we
can take him out in
the third grade.
The system
is not his prison. You know what I mean?
it was not his system.
And he only saw what we do.
And I'm a self-employee.
And whenever, when he was a little boy,
it starts with that.
I had some workshops or some coachings
all over the world.
I took him with me.
He saw it from the beginning.
And he's so self-confident.
Oh my goodness, it's better than me.
And that's what makes me proud.
And he finds his solutions for problems
and his money mindset.
So we start with gold and silver,
small coins, then the Bitcoin area starts.
So I'm not the big Bitcoin guy, but I know a little bit and I learn.
I learn.
And Carlos did it on his own way and he's faster than me.
For him, it makes sense.
And he really loved it.
And now we have some online coachings.
80% we do some offline stuff.
So that's really important because people have to hack each other.
People have to know each other.
and especially for the project it's better life than online um and for online now we had a big
group all over the world and these kids are starting with financial education and it's
really interesting uh the kids are minimum 14 and above and it's really nice to see uh how they do
that and what the questions are and um yeah it's really nice to see um what they are doing with
this uh mindset and um yeah and i know for now um he will do his way so um i'm not afraid about him
no way so he's good he goes to fitness studio he uh he eats good and clean food but he did it on his
own way yeah we had other times for sure yeah but i told him all the time hey you have to do that
you have to do that eat better and drink better but it makes no sense so he has to learn it on his
his own way and he did and now he's a really cleanly sporty financial mindset guy it's really
nice and he's shifting come on yeah and in school no way yeah and that's uh that's what i see on my
for my own kids and my daughter is uh so creative because she's high sensitive and uh she don't like
all the time people around her she needs her um a quiet place where she is a like in a meditation
when she's doing her creative stuff and she loves horses, animals.
That's her people.
So she loves to hang around more with animals than with people.
But it's okay.
It's fine.
And they are so different.
And my little boy is a football guy.
He loves to play football.
He can't walk.
He goes with the ball.
When he was a little baby, it was really nice.
And he loves to hang around in the nature.
But he's a really boy.
And yeah, they are three different kids, but they are kids.
They are doing their own way.
And that's interesting to see.
But they have all these self-confidence that is really important.
And they're looking up to us what we are doing all the time, all the day.
And that's what they do.
And yeah, for me, it's important.
I never go to nine to five jobs.
So I'm all the time since the beginning.
I'm a self-employee guy and the kids know that from the first beginning.
and yeah they saw a lot in the corona time they saw a lot people coming and going for sure
yeah and they learn a lot of that mindset and non-violent communication and that's another
big big thing in the world we have to learn and yeah but that's what i can tell from the beginning
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this is so great because you know what i see like in the unschooling codes which i do for the parents
the number one thing is that the parents are so fucking afraid not only for um what will other
people think or how will this work out in everyday life and these kind of things but also about
um what happened to my kids are they like left behind and all these things and it's so nice to
that you're so proud and they're you're not afraid of whatever your boy will create in life or your
kids because i feel very same thing i've never felt afraid for my kid i always felt afraid to
bring him to school that was my bigger fear than to just leave him alone and trust in whatever we
want to call this life and what i really think is funny you worked in this anxiety fear coaching
sector and now you are coaching all these people all these families into trusting themselves trusting
human nature because this is what it is it's so let education we are going back where we come from
we are nature we are life and we are not a system and we i think at least i speak for myself i don't
belong in any system i don't want to be pressured into being something that i'm not because i was
born into the form i am i mean i think i have something to do on this planet you know and what
i really think is and what i've seen in so many kids you bring them to school and they forget about
it and then like 30 years later they have depression and other disgusting stuff they have
to deal with anxiety whatever because they don't know they are human beings with great power and
maybe they have some kind of meaning on this planet you know what i mean they have a gift
that came with them everyone is so individual because when you told the story about your girl
that she loves animals more than humans i was like oh dude this is me first of all and secondly
the gifts they are not being lost through unschooling they are being rediscovered and
i think that's a so complex and beautiful situation you are in because you got the knowledge
about anxiety now you're teaching all these people to really trust in themselves and letting their
kids free i always think about how many kids are out there that now are finally able to live a soul
led lifestyle that is incredible just imagine how many of these kids they just know why they are here
and they are not afraid to follow this path that's incredible isn't it i don't know i don't even have
a question i just think it's genius that this is falling into place in your life it looks like a
puzzle like you've been prepared some something prepared you for that position that you're now in
and you are just leading the way for all these parents i don't know how you feel about this
anxiety fear thing but i really think as you said the kids are already there they are unschooling
by nature is what it is that's just living i think this is living but we as parents that is
the difficult part because we are so up from the system and society how do we get to the point that
we are like getting up in the morning not feeling afraid for our kids and their future but being
empowered i mean that is inside of us it's not our kids it's us so what do you tell people who
are coming to you like yeah unschooling sounds good but yeah but uh the only thing we have to do
and that's what we do all the days and uh is get connected um growing up as a community all over
the world so if you're coming to have a visit to us so my home is your castle our community
is free for you and your child and that's what it is and the most people are afraid because they are
alone and when they grow up as a community they have each other and then they can share their
life situation and they can grow with each other and we can support them with workshops we can do
some projects with the kids but it's up to the people it's not up to us it's up to the people
and the important thing what will happen that's what i'm thinking about is when all people get
together and don't bring the kids to school the system will change yeah so that's the important
thing that system will change if you don't pay any taxes come on what will happen think about that
it's up to us it's not to go with uh forks and fire and something like that and go to demonstration
stuff and no we don't need that so energy follows the energy so and when we grow up together and we
when we uh build up these um uh special places where we can meet up yeah the whole world is a
village and when we understand that and when we practice that um then we will change the whole
world and that's what i'm thinking about that yeah and the special thing too is when we don't live
anymore in fears thinking about our kids will have one day children maybe yeah so what is going on
with these new kids this new generation i get goosebumps oh my goodness yeah and it's all about
our mindset it's up to us that is so true i really like that because i've been going through a really
tough de-schooling process i'm a teacher and i went through a lot of school private school
university more university even more university but i studied so long to be free because you in
germany you have like three months of presence in university three months of vacation and i was like
perfect i love it um but what i learned from all these learning is that the real thing i was stupid
as fuck i didn know anything even after 10 years of studying uh that i needed to apply for jobs i I felt like wow I don even know what I I don know I cannot do these jobs I too stupid for that I don have the education After 13 years of school and 10 years of studying I didn have the qualification for me
They would have hired me, but that would have been very depressing and embarrassing for me, for sure.
So what I really thought after that, the system that made me stupid as fuck is now forbidding me from teaching my kid.
Why am I so stupid?
Because you fucked up in the first place.
so of course i'm too stupid to teach my kid because i'm broken inside not because i
lack resources the resources are all over you just have to flip on your mobile phone and you
read about unschooling and all these things but i think reading about it and actually doing it
in between is this fine yeah period of de-schooling yourself from all these experiences all these
yeah expectations fears and all of these things for me the hardest part was was
maybe realizing how fucked up i was really and then to not continue with this bullshit and to
break the cycle for our kids what i do imagine because i know a lot of unschooling adults who
now do unschool their kids as well so they are not breaking the cycle and a lot of people are
like when i first told them especially germans like um yeah we do unschooling oh the poor guy
he will make better with his kids i was like dude i doubt that because all the unschooling adults i
know are now unschooling their kids so it's repetitive we are doing it again and again and
again because they realize it sets them free and the most ironic part is that everyone was telling
me you won't have any free time you won't have because if your kid is at home blah blah blah
i was like dude this is human nature that kids are with their parents i don't know where you got
that idea from that i have to have my free time all the time to not be with my kid but all these
thoughts about how kids need to be raised. Let's see how the indigenous do it in the jungle.
How did we do it a couple of hundred years ago? I mean, we carried our kids, we breastfed,
we did all these things. And when I tell my grandma about this, she was like, yeah,
but a lot of kids died. Yeah, but not about unschooling because times change. And now we
have a lot of resources we didn't have before. Maybe I think it's just crazy how much we have
to change into being the best coach for our kids i think that's incredible and the best part is as
you said we need the village we cannot do it alone of course not that is just insane and i've been
doing it alone and if you mentioned there were kids like they didn't see other kids for three
two three years yeah i have the same problem when i was traveling with my kid especially
while uh this these lockdowns and everything there are some places you never meet kids i
And we, I mean, you live in Portugal.
I lived in Portugal for four months and we didn't see any kids.
We were just in a very shitty place that had no kids.
I was like, dude, this is actually true.
We have not enough kids and not enough freedom.
So we need to change that.
We are not overpopulated.
I think we are underpopulated and overpopulated with the wrong people,
kind of people.
So everything is so artificial that people are not even realizing
what they're doing to their kids and themselves.
and the biggest game changer in unschooling is how much freedom i got it wasn't about oh you will
be at home 24 7 with your kid all alone blah blah blah no i have the most freedom i can ever think
of i don't have this you have to be at work at 8 7 30 your kid needs to go to school or these kind
of struggle things it's quality time and life is about being or like creating and being in this
position to create you you cannot be afraid and you cannot be stressed out all the time so i think
we are really breaking a deep cycle that I now just started to realize how deep that even is.
It's not me or my son, it's humanity. We are going into a direction that is so creepy.
I cannot even comprehend how we ended up in the situation to look at kids and go like, wow,
this is ugly. We need to work on this. Like, wow, how? How? They are perfect when they are born.
I don't know. We are so far from ourselves. And I think that's the main problem when I worked with unschooling parents. They don't feel themselves anymore. They lost the connection to the source. They are out there all alone, even if they are in the community. It's so sad. But I think this, what you are doing, this is so beautiful. And I swear to you, if I would not have planned already to leave Europe, this project was really, I was talking to my son about it. He was like, yeah, that's cool. That's cool. That's cool.
I was like, yeah, but it's Madeira.
And he was like, fuck, we hate Madeira.
I was like, yes, it's not our place.
But you need to expand for sure.
We need more of these projects.
Still, I don't have any question for you.
I don't know because I'm so into realizing all these connections.
So I don't know.
What do you think about this soul aspect?
Maybe it's too woo-woo, but I really want to start to talk more about it
because I'm convinced that we come here with a mission.
And I think it's on purpose that they make us forget.
and bury it under when did the world war one start and two and what else and these kind of
bullshit and i really think half of that shit is not even true so i think it's all about dehumanizing
humanity what we start what we could start is a big movement and um yeah we need a lot of people
for that and um uh maybe to explain something what people for people uh do as well um we had a lot of
sponsors, investors and supporters with 20 euros for each per month.
And with all this money, we can do some projects, we can do class trips.
We did it last year and it was a really nice journey.
Over 15 kids.
Next trip we'll go to Sweden and we go with all our kids.
I think for now it will be 2025.
Yeah, but it's a big journey and we have a sponsor for this stuff
that we can bring all these kids to all these places.
Maybe next year we go to Sri Lanka.
I don't know how it works in English.
It's Africa.
And there's a project from a member of us
and we want to support her for two weeks
and building up some houses and something like that.
And the kids see how the people living there
with 60 euros or with six people per month.
And it's another world, yeah, other than Mexico,
other than Madeira or other than Germany.
it's another world and it's
important for the kids to see
what is going on in the world
and see all these cultures
and yeah, you know what I mean
and that's what we are doing
and when we create new
spaces in Thailand, in Mexico
or maybe in Costa Rica
or somewhere else
we can support
but we need a person
who is strong
and is self-confident
directly on that space,
working with us together
and bringing these people together,
the travelers, the unschoolers,
the locals.
It's really important
to have some locals with you.
Yeah, you need a whole village
to raise a child.
That's the thing.
And you don't need only
homeschoolers, unschoolers,
free learning guys.
You need the locals too.
So that's really important
to learn everything about that space.
But we are open for everything.
And we support everything, every good ideas.
But we have to come together and have to think about,
okay, Alex, what is your biggest purpose?
What can we do?
What is, that was the biggest thing is you can bring into that community.
What can I do?
What can Sylvia do?
What can Peter do?
And all these things and everyone, it's what you told me before.
Everyone has some special thing inside and we are here for something.
And yeah, I think we have to bring that together and then it will work for sure.
It will work.
Yeah, I think the same.
And I think this is what we are relearning at the moment to really make genuine connections with others that are beyond profit.
And because I've seen a lot of educational profits that were organizations like very, very beautiful.
But after looking behind the scenes, I felt like, OK, these are people who steal money from the parents.
and these are people who like to fuck little kids and these kind of things.
And I was like, wow, this is in the front a beautiful project,
but the back end is like fucked up.
So I've been distancing myself for quite some time from all these projects
because I thought, wow, I didn't meet one project live.
I mean, online, I've seen a lot of beautiful projects,
but I was so devastated seeing how people misuse this power
and misuse that other parents really want to change something
and put in their energy and money.
And others are like, oh, my money now.
And I think that's really crazy.
I've seen so many crazy projects and stories behind these projects.
So I was like, okay, that is not going to go anywhere.
But I think time changed, especially after Corona,
after all these lockdowns, I have the feeling people are way more open to,
yeah, let's really connect from heart to heart, soul to soul,
like humans do.
so I think after traveling all over the world so many years I think the huge benefit of that we are
all connected is that we really need to spread these messages and not only to be in one point
and being in our own little bubble you know that's comfortable that is nice but we have to spread
that and have to connect with other communities what do you think is the hardest part because we
so early i like to compare it to bitcoin because bitcoin we're still so early and unschooling i
think this is nothing new but we're still so early because humanity is going into such a crazy
direction but do you think is the hardest part in connecting other projects from all over the
world because sometimes you don't know the people and i i had such crazy like that's only one word
only one word it's the ego it's a big thing it's the big thing and and this speech you need the
village to raise a child I think it's not the right time to meet the village to raise a child
you need the community to raise a child because that's what you are said it's crazy times and you
don't know if you have a community for village staff who's living there who's coming there and
And I saw a lot of communities and projects in small villages.
And I'm really sad about that, what is going on there.
Not always, but I saw a lot of stuff and pedophile guys.
And yeah, I'm not happy with that.
And now I can tell you how we do that here.
So we have a real village here.
Yeah, so it's 2000 people like a village we know from the old times.
Everyone has his own house or flat and the kids can go by feet to their neighbors.
and hang around and we're doing projects together.
So on our island, we have the most time with weather
so we can do everything outside.
Yeah, we can use the elements.
So we don't need a private room for that.
We don't need that.
Sometimes the kids are in my house
and we're doing some craft workshops.
Sometimes we're outside.
Sometimes we are at the home from another family
and doing other stuff.
So, and it works and it works.
And the important thing is you know each other
on a small way.
So I don't know you. I don't know her, him and all this stuff.
I have to learn where are the people in front of me.
Yeah. And that's really important. And you need time for that.
You need time for that. And I think it's not good to create a village and everyone is coming,
pay some some bitcoins or euros, whatever, and coming into a village.
You don't know these people. You don't know these people.
and that's what I saw
for some villages
in Europe
so the people come together and in the end
they don't like each other
so they have a different life
and a different mindset
and the important thing is okay unschooling
we want to create a village
we two guys are unschoolers
and the other two guys were the kids in the school
what?
so it makes no sense
and I think we need a little bit more time
and the important thing is for now
what we can do is to learn to think on another way.
Unschool ourselves.
I have to do that every day.
Come on.
Yeah, I'm not ready for now.
I'm not perfect.
I'm, yeah, I have to do that every day.
It's really important.
And I have to unschool myself from the system
and all this stuff around me.
And it happens all the day, five days
and everything changed on the world.
Come on.
It's a crazy time and time flies so fast.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
So maybe we get older or something like that.
But no, I think there are other things happening.
And yeah, we have to think about what we can do with us first.
And freedom, unschooling, all this real stuff starts inside of us.
But the most of people, they don't know how they can use that,
how they can do that.
And I think that's our job, Alex.
That's our job to get together and bring some information outside
to help the people how they can do that how they can be self how they can lose the fear and all this stuff how they can do another money mindset how they can pay the bills uh without
bank accounts that's so much information and the nervous system said no yeah they had they had your
mindset is on the mars you know and your body can't do that so that's what i see all time for
the people and they get sick and then they said okay i stay in the comfort zone it's better for me
So, yeah, and I think it needs some people to do that.
True, true, true. You know what I wanted to mention after you and me,
we both mentioned pedophiles in crazy communities or projects,
but we know that in schools this is happening too.
This is not project-based, this is humanity's current problem.
So I just wanted to mention that because it was in my head like,
oh my God, now we are saying we've met so many pedophiles.
Like, yeah, but in school, there too in school.
and it's even worse because you you don't have the connection you're you are not there and when
you're working in a project with your child and your sense like okay that's a weirdo you can just
go home but in school you're stuck in school what would you say are like the top things to do when
you feel overwhelmed with your own unschooling journey like i love meditation but i know that
some people are like yeah meditation is not good enough and then i'm like yeah do some mushrooms
and people are like oh that's illegal and then i'm like yeah go somewhere where it's legal then
because I really think psychedelic substances do help a lot
because they really catch you and kick you out of the whole concept.
We are thinking that's true, but it's not.
And coming back is hard because then you have to reconsider how you're living.
But what would you say are like easy?
It's never easy, but it's maybe easier than going to the jungle and do ayahuasca.
Maybe what would you say where to start?
Not with ayahuasca.
so i'm i'm um i'm really cool with that but the most people don't do that on the right way that's
that's they have to learn so if you know a shamanic guy or you are in the amazonas or
something like that um then it's cool but don't do it on yourself when you never try any other
stuff before and or with groups with 50 people please don't do that yeah i hear a lot of stuff
and we had that on Madeira too.
Some guys do it in the flat
and other crazy things.
But it's not the thing
we were once talking about.
But please be aware with that
and then everything is cool.
It could help.
But in the beginning,
it's really important
to connect yourself with the nature.
Find out what kind of guy you are.
So I'm the ocean girl.
I need water.
I need a bathroom
where I can hang around.
What is Varevan, Alex?
The bathtub.
yeah the best hub so i need something like the best hub because i need fish you know maybe i'm
from atlantis or something like that so i need water otherwise i get dry and die so um and forest
for me um it makes me i feel um how i feel um yeah it makes me uh to thinking about fear so uh
and i feel um sick and dark and so forest is not mine so it's an open forest i see the sky the blue
sky the color blue is really important for me i love green yeah but i need it in the combination
with blue i go here in the final or something like that it's a high energy place for me and some other
spots here so i can recharge there but for me it's the most important thing the ocean i get with the
with tools inside and it will charge me when i hear some waterfalls or something it will charge
me so and maybe for you it's the different thing you go to the forest and you can recharge a friend
of mine called me um one hour before and she said oh i have nine percent on my mobile phone and
i think it's not your mobile phone it's your body okay we charge let's talk later and you know find
out what's your nature stuff yeah so that's the first thing and then go there every day minimum
10 minutes longer is better but minimum 10 minutes every day yeah for some guys it's meditation and
maybe breastwork could work too so i'm a really really um happy with psychedelic breastwork not
normal breastwork i love psychedelic breastwork that's completely mine and um that's what i love
and it's a good tool for me and i love meditations that's uh good for me as well and i love silence um
i go every time um alex you have to help me once again in a schweige close down oh silent retreat
i love that yes yes and for me i'm talking all the time little so communication it's my to it
and when i go there the first time it it was like a junkie the feeling like a junkie oh my goodness
no handy no better than that yeah so but 10 days crazy guys you have to try it yeah and you get
connected with something whatever it is yeah you get connected so after two or three days when you
come down yeah um and it's really nice and for me it's a good thing some guys call it vipassana too
and go there um find out what's the best thing but if you do it on uh small things you can do a lot
of stuff at home be in a room alone um here's some good relaxing music or be in the silent stuff
and lay down yeah try to don't think over it's really important and for me um it was a journey
over years so you have the universal law i don't know if you know that um that's what we are doing
with the kids too all the time and um i don't have any thoughts in my mind whatever will happen it
needs 10 seconds and then it's out so and that's for me my best medicine so i control my thoughts
so and when i lie down i don't have any source the only thing i do is inhale gold light and bring out
black clouds that's what i do all the time so and my uh cells are charged i'm really healthy
and that's what you can do all the time you can lay down inhale a golden light and exhale black
clouds that works for sure yeah but if you don't know nothing go in nature and find out what kind
of nature type you are that is so true i think that is um yeah that is so true what you said
learn about yourself and be very kind to yourself like i learned over the last couple of months to
treat myself like i would treat my best friend because i was so mean to myself all the time and
then i realized wow i would never talk like that to someone else i was like i need to change that
so that helps to redefine your um relationship with yourself i would say and start there and
And I think stop asking for permission.
If you feel like you want to spend like 10 minutes on the ocean side every day,
some people are like, oh, wow, this is a lot.
Yeah, but you don't have to ask anyone for permission.
You just have to start acting.
What I see that a lot of people are theoretically in the place to do unschooling,
but like practically far away because of routine and so on and so on.
What I really liked to do in the last weeks,
I tried always for three days to not have a agenda, a schedule, because my schedule for the last, let's say, 15 years, I always had a paper for every day.
And sometimes I was so fucked up, so stressed out that I even had to put on brush my teeth because I would be out of my mind.
I was so stressed. I couldn't even remember the basic things to do.
And then I got now to like having three or five things on my list, but not brushing your teeth or something like that.
It's like 12 o'clock Jackie podcast or something like that.
But living without that gave me the most exciting.
I was getting up.
I was like, oh, my God, what am I going to do?
And when?
How will I know?
And that gave me the freedom to, okay, you know what?
You're going to feel what's up.
You just follow the flow.
And I think giving us the permission to go back or to redefine a lifestyle that is more human-based than system-based.
And to be able to delete all of these things from our life.
Even if it's just, yeah, I always have to do this at 7.45 in the morning.
You know, you actually don't.
And what I think helps a lot of people is really to go out and connect with others and to work on the money mindset.
Because money, my father, he's working as a psychiatrist and he always says money is the number one reason for anxiety in his point of view.
Because if we always have like a million amount of money, we would care for ourselves way better actually because we could.
so I think looking into how we treat ourselves and how we treat money makes a huge difference
it doesn't mean yeah let's put our savings all into bitcoin or something like that not at all
but just to be aware of that money is not what they've been telling us because I've met people
who never work and who have always like they are always they have cash on hand and they're just
manifesting it through doing what their soul wants them to do I'm not there yet I'm not there yet
But this is how it should work like because I see it's working.
So I think it's a natural thing to be in the like in a harmonic money flow.
I don't know.
It's a completely different topic, but I'm very curious how this will look for our people.
And we have the wrong money mindset from the beginning.
So money is bad and all this stuff.
and yeah it's like you said um if we um if we could be ourself money will flow on his own way
for sure energy follows the energy and then we don't have to think about that it works
from their own stuff so that's really important to know so true so true okay tell me everything
how can people reach you how can they participate how can they partner up with you how can they
donate where do people find you online and I know Madeira is not so hard to
find so you just go into an airplane and get started but online presence tell me
how people can reach out yeah you can have a look on our website it's www.people4people.net
or you can go on Instagram it's people4peopleofficial there you can find
all our projects you can find our vision mission and you can be a supporter and
supporter means that you can make a donation every month for minimum 20 euros and then you are in the
intern membership um there we have special things uh for our members for our supporters we have some
education staff there like financial education for adults and you were part two of that for
adults and for the kids too for the teenagers and we had a lot of other videos workshops there
So now I'm creating a workshop. It's eight parts.
The theme is unschooling.
So all the things and what is important to know what is unschooling on a real way.
So that's something you can find there.
Other guys who make some workshops through all the important themes we need for our life, you know, that we can live on a free way.
You have some things for taxes, for going out from Germany and something like that.
yeah we have the best of the best inside and yeah you can be a part of it you can find everything on
the website it's really easy to go there you can be a supporter online and we have a newsletter
there you can make abenoment doesn't cost you any money so be a part of it join via newsletter or
be a part of the community and change the world with us together or grow a special place in
Mexico or in Portugal or in Germany, wherever he wants to do something,
we will be there. Yeah. And that's it.
So nice. I will put the links in the podcast description, of course.
Yeah. So one click, you will be there. Jackie,
thank you so much for sharing all of that,
what you've been sharing because I think, yeah,
it's not easy to go out there and to speak about these things sometimes.
I think it's, it's really awesome what you're building there.
And I really feel like you're such a powerful leader.
It's so nice to listen to you, to your thoughts, how you're doing these processes.
And I really think this is just genius.
You're bringing together your skills and the needs of what we really need as human beings.
I think it's lovely.
I'm a huge fan of your work and I'm so, so happy that you've been to this podcast, really.
I hope you come back one day and we talk some more.
It's up to you.
If you invite me, I will be there for sure.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for listening.
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