1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,320 This is World Life Unschooling with my mom. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:12,620 Ah, perfect. Nice. Jackie, very welcome to this podcast. I haven't been recording, 3 00:00:13,020 --> 00:00:16,940 I don't know, maybe for two months, three months, four months, even, I don't know, 4 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:20,420 because we were traveling so much. And I didn't really have this inspiration to talk to anyone 5 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:26,200 about unschooling. But you and me, we recorded an episode for your podcast. And I wanted to 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,480 invite you for a long time. And after that episode that we recorded, I felt like, wow, 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,040 you had so many great questions. I want to know exactly the same about you and your project. 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,160 So this is why you're here. You are the founder of a very, very nice educational project on 9 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:44,880 Madeira, People for People, it's called. And I think you have a really great vision when 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,860 it comes to what we need for the future, if we want to change how we live right now. I'm 11 00:00:49,860 --> 00:00:54,420 so super happy that you're here with me because you are very, I already said it, you're inspirational, 12 00:00:54,420 --> 00:00:57,020 you are really someone I'm looking up to. 13 00:00:57,020 --> 00:00:58,180 I really need to say this. 14 00:00:58,180 --> 00:01:00,320 So I'm so happy that you're here with me. 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,920 Thank you so much. 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,300 Thank you for introducing. 17 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:04,200 Oh my goodness. 18 00:01:05,420 --> 00:01:09,240 Yeah, so where should I start? 19 00:01:10,940 --> 00:01:12,700 I don't know, everywhere. 20 00:01:12,700 --> 00:01:15,100 Maybe we can start with the question, 21 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:18,020 what did you do before you founded that project? 22 00:01:18,020 --> 00:01:20,860 Why did you end up with this thought about, 23 00:01:20,860 --> 00:01:21,700 yeah, let's do that. 24 00:01:21,700 --> 00:01:22,620 That's a good idea. 25 00:01:22,620 --> 00:01:27,640 I think a lot of people have this feeling of, yeah, I would like to start something, but the struggle is real. 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:34,580 For everyone who started, even a small project, it is so hard to follow through with these kind of things. 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,460 And I think you are a pioneer. That makes it even harder. 28 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:40,580 So tell me, how did you end up there in this position? 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,780 Okay, let's start from the beginning. 30 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,260 And first of all, I want to tell you all my English is not the best. 31 00:01:47,260 --> 00:01:52,640 So, but I try what I can try and hopefully you will understand what I'm telling you. 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:02:00,140 So, yeah, before we start with that project, I was a coach for adults, not for kids. 33 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:09,380 And I don't know the word in English, but I was a coach for fear and helped people to lose the conditions. 34 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,540 What we had from our parents, from the systems and past life and all this stuff. 35 00:02:15,540 --> 00:02:20,080 So and I did that over 20 years. So I start with the first prevention center. 36 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:26,040 So that's what it called in Germany. And it was a really nice journey over years. 37 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:30,300 And then COVID starts. So and everything changed. 38 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,960 And I was a self-employee and my husband, too. And I have three kids, two boys and one daughter. 39 00:02:36,740 --> 00:02:44,680 And my little child goes to the kindergarten and the bigger ones was in the third grade in the basic school. 40 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,900 and then they said from the government 41 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:50,340 you have to take your kids at home 42 00:02:50,340 --> 00:02:51,140 and they can't go 43 00:02:51,140 --> 00:02:55,020 because you're not relevant guys for the system 44 00:02:55,020 --> 00:02:56,380 so you have to stay at home 45 00:02:56,380 --> 00:03:01,360 and it was new for me to have three kids at home 46 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,920 so 24-7 47 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:07,600 and it was hard in the beginning 48 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,780 because I don't know how it works 49 00:03:09,780 --> 00:03:13,240 to be with three children at home 50 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,460 and what I have to do 51 00:03:14,460 --> 00:03:17,820 So I was like everyone in the system. 52 00:03:18,060 --> 00:03:21,500 So my kids go to the kindergarten school and I go to my work. 53 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:24,340 And I'm thinking all the time on another way. 54 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,640 So I'm from a revolution family. 55 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:36,520 So my parents and me are born in the DDR and they go on another way from DDR to the BRD. 56 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,740 And it was for me a really crazy journey. 57 00:03:39,740 --> 00:03:45,200 We had nothing. And the only thing we had to keep it short was no money. 58 00:03:45,380 --> 00:03:49,020 It was love and freedom. So that was inside of me. 59 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:57,020 So and yeah, then my kids were at home and I cry a lot of times because I have three extroverted kids. 60 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,320 And yeah, they felt boring and I don't know what I have to do. 61 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:07,400 And then I'm thinking about, OK, when I feel not good, how many parents are outside and feeling the same way like me? 62 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:13,300 So I called my friends, I called my neighborhood and all these guys who are sitting at home with the kids. 63 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,660 And then all these parents came to my kitchen and the kids sitting in the living room. 64 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,060 And it was not about the kids. It was about us. 65 00:04:21,260 --> 00:04:25,060 It was about the parents because we was completely gone. 66 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:26,720 We don't know what we have to do. 67 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:33,020 And then at some moment in the kitchen that changed everything, the kids were really quiet. 68 00:04:33,020 --> 00:04:40,660 we go to the living room and there were kids between four and ten years and they sitting there 69 00:04:40,660 --> 00:04:47,700 doing their stuff it's not important about the age and doing some projects there and they were 70 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:56,180 creative and we're looking for that and said okay okay maybe we start with one thing so one day you 71 00:04:56,180 --> 00:05:00,820 take all the kids and one day I take all the kids and we're starting with some projects we can do 72 00:05:00,820 --> 00:05:05,540 some gardening stuff we can build some furnitures or something like that whatever let's ask the kids 73 00:05:05,540 --> 00:05:11,320 what they want to do and that was the beginning from everything and um yeah and most of times the 74 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:18,200 kids sit in my house so we had a big garden and um and the corona time we can't go out um we only 75 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,380 have to stay at home uh but uh the parents brought the kids to my house it was not a problem and uh 76 00:05:23,380 --> 00:05:29,320 yeah we did what we did and um and it was really nice to see because my old son um maybe you can 77 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:38,340 help Alex he was he gets some stamps in the school area as you're not good enough you move too much 78 00:05:38,340 --> 00:05:45,040 and all these things and Ligastini discalculate I don't know if it's a word in English and yeah he 79 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,740 was not good for the school so and in that moment when the kids start their own projects from one 80 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:57,760 to now he could write he could read he could everything but the only thing what was not 81 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,680 happened for that moment you don't go to school anymore so and that opened my eyes for everything 82 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:09,920 yeah and then it was really nice the bigger kids um teach the smaller kids and the smaller kids 83 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,280 teach the bigger kids so it was really nice and one of our first projects was to build furniture 84 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:21,280 in in our terrace and it was really nice and my granny um do the pillows and all this stuff with 85 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:28,100 the kids so we do sewing and we have to build with wood and all this stuff and you have to know 86 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:33,440 math you have to know language because we were a lot of peoples from russia from germany and all 87 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:40,120 this stuff in that time and the kids built and own furniture only by themselves the only thing we 88 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:45,200 have to do is to sit there and have a look that everything works but we don't have to do nothing 89 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,420 so the kids do everything by themselves it was so nice to see yeah and then i thought that one day 90 00:06:50,420 --> 00:06:52,700 okay, we are here in our little bubble. 91 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:56,680 What if the people in Germany think on the same way 92 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,200 and have the same problems? 93 00:06:58,780 --> 00:07:02,960 And then we start with the first Zoom with Ricardo Lepel. 94 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:04,300 It's a guy from Austria. 95 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,020 And Ricardo and me, we meet up the first time in 2020 96 00:07:08,020 --> 00:07:09,320 in the high times from Corona. 97 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,560 He's sitting in Thailand and I was in Germany. 98 00:07:11,860 --> 00:07:13,300 And then we start with that. 99 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,380 And we had over 100 people in that Zoom. 100 00:07:16,380 --> 00:07:21,460 and after that Zoom, we created a Telegram channel 101 00:07:21,460 --> 00:07:25,420 and then we were over 3,000 people from one day to the other day 102 00:07:25,420 --> 00:07:27,980 and it grows, grows, grows, but it grows fast. 103 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:31,580 Maybe too fast because we don't know what we have to do, 104 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:33,920 but we did something. 105 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,440 But I forgot that some people are outside, 106 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,260 they don't have the same mindset like me and Ricardo 107 00:07:42,260 --> 00:07:44,260 and something was happening. 108 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:51,000 so we did our stuff and some parents called us or sent us an email um yeah okay where's the next 109 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:58,520 school where can i bring my kids okay and it was a lot of parents who did that and um and then i 110 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:05,880 feel sick my energy goes down and uh and i felt that nobody wants to uh bring up to pull over you 111 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:12,000 know what i mean and i want to be uh strong and uh confident to change something outside no they 112 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,720 waiting for a castle or something like that that the kids can go there and that they can do what 113 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:25,040 they ever do all the time so but it doesn't work so and then we changed something and um i quit the 114 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,720 channel from one day to the other day because it was too much and it was not the right mindset what 115 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:36,080 we want and yeah and then we start on a smaller way and start with the right people and uh we told 116 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:42,300 all the people outside that we need the right people uh not not uh people who wants to consume 117 00:08:42,300 --> 00:08:48,040 or something like that or bring the kids into a room or all this stuff uh we want to create 118 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:55,320 something new and on that way i uh felt okay do we need a school do we need a school on a freeway 119 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:01,560 no we don't need nothing so that's what i learned in my garden too that we don't need a new school 120 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:06,440 system we don't need a new school or the next free school we don't need nothing of them and 121 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,840 i saw on that way in the corona time i traveled a lot with my kids alone with three kids through 122 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:20,120 a whole europe i tell you it was really crazy but we had the best time in our life yeah and 123 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:26,760 everything works and the kids they had fun so and they learned from the day what we are doing every 124 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:33,720 day and they asking me all the time yeah and from that thing kids are learning from the beginning 125 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:40,500 they're learning when they when we are pregnant it starts yeah maybe before and um it never ends 126 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:45,780 on that way so learning is the stuff it ends when we die so and not before maybe it goes 127 00:09:45,780 --> 00:09:51,840 far away after that so but the kids they learn all the time and that's what i saw and when they 128 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,700 are interested in something the only thing i have to do i have to support the kids that's what i did 129 00:09:56,700 --> 00:10:03,920 all the time and then um i was uh married um and i'm married too for now but uh my husband for him 130 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,760 it was really new and he was not on these journeys because he was self-employed with a restaurant and 131 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:15,580 i did everything by myself but he he grows with us in the end and it was a challenge for him too 132 00:10:15,580 --> 00:10:21,560 and then uh was the time when my kids my smaller ones should go to school and it was clear for us 133 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:29,400 never ever and my little daughter is a special girl she is a high sensitive girl and um in our 134 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:35,060 system in germany there is no place for how sensitive for higher sensitive kids um that's 135 00:10:35,060 --> 00:10:41,280 not possible and they will get sick and she will get uh grumpy when she's in the school that's what 136 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:48,080 i feel from the beginning and that's no way for us and uh yeah and then um i have some visions and 137 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,080 And I found an island in these visions, so that's why I'm here for now. 138 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,400 So the island caught me like that. 139 00:10:54,400 --> 00:11:00,600 And yeah, I took my kids and I sold my house on a magical way. 140 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,600 It was before. 141 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,700 And then I said to my biggest son, okay, let's have a look. 142 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:09,200 Where's the cheapest flight where we can go and have vacations that we can come down and 143 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,200 maybe find a new place. 144 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,200 Yeah, it's for 50 euros. 145 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,200 It's Madera. 146 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,200 Okay, let's go. 147 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,960 It was one week before Christmas in 22. 148 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,640 And then we go. 149 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:23,820 then we stayed and yeah and we are really happy here and on that way I found a lot of people here 150 00:11:23,820 --> 00:11:30,900 they were Bitcoiners there were spirituality guys and all the way it was a lot of people here from 151 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:36,500 all the countries all over the world I don't speak any word English so my kids too I understand a 152 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:41,400 little bit but I can't speak nothing so and some guys thought all the time I don't like them because 153 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:48,200 I don't answer. And in the end, we don't hang around all the time with German guys. 154 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:54,200 We go together with Polish guys, with English guys and the guys all over the world. And then we 155 00:11:54,200 --> 00:12:00,280 learn to speak and the kids, they speak a really, really good English for now. And yeah, that's what 156 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:05,400 was happened. And the kids never learned any vocabularies or something like that. It was 157 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:12,180 happen when the kids play with other kids at the beach um in the forest or something like that and 158 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:19,140 then um i decided to start a bigger project so project learning um we asked the kids okay what 159 00:12:19,140 --> 00:12:24,500 you want to learn what is that what you want to do um think about where is the thing where you 160 00:12:24,500 --> 00:12:29,580 have fun with and uh yeah and we create some solutions and with the parents with the kids 161 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:35,060 and then we start with projects um so chemical projects physical projects horse riding everything 162 00:12:35,060 --> 00:12:42,100 you can imagine what is fun in life and what was the interest from the kids and yeah we start with 163 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:47,540 that and we grow and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and for now we are the community from 164 00:12:47,540 --> 00:12:53,220 around 100 people here on madera i think it's 30 kids for now not everyone is a member in people 165 00:12:53,220 --> 00:13:01,460 for people but it's not important we support each other and we create since 23 these projects and 166 00:13:01,460 --> 00:13:04,260 and start from here to all over the world. 167 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,720 So we find people who said, OK, I like what you're doing. 168 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,680 And we are a community for conscious living and learning. 169 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,900 And that's the whole thing from people for people. 170 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:17,520 And we support the adults because unschooling, 171 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:28,605 that the biggest word for all that what we are doing has to start with the parents not with the kids The kids are ready They are complete And the parents they have to be unschooled 172 00:13:28,825 --> 00:13:32,325 And that's what we do on the same way. 173 00:13:32,325 --> 00:13:36,425 So we start projects for the parents, too, sometimes with the whole family, 174 00:13:36,585 --> 00:13:39,405 because unschooling, it's a family thing, too. 175 00:13:39,725 --> 00:13:43,925 And kids don't want to do all the time projects without the parents. 176 00:13:44,085 --> 00:13:45,325 No, it's a family thing. 177 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:49,905 And if we do something in the wildness, survival stuff, 178 00:13:50,185 --> 00:13:52,725 it's a nice project to do that with the whole family. 179 00:13:53,285 --> 00:13:56,645 And all the projects we did for the kids, the parents said too, 180 00:13:56,785 --> 00:13:59,065 oh, can I do that too? I really love that. 181 00:14:00,405 --> 00:14:03,985 And then we do that together or we do an extra project for the parents 182 00:14:03,985 --> 00:14:06,185 and it works, it works. 183 00:14:06,265 --> 00:14:09,365 And the kids grow up and the kids, the important thing is 184 00:14:09,365 --> 00:14:12,165 they learn awareness, they learn teamwork, 185 00:14:12,165 --> 00:14:14,385 they learn nonviolent communication. 186 00:14:14,385 --> 00:14:17,265 and they learn self-confidence. 187 00:14:17,265 --> 00:14:18,865 That's the biggest goals, 188 00:14:19,085 --> 00:14:20,745 what they are learning all the time. 189 00:14:21,245 --> 00:14:22,925 And sometimes we had that in the group 190 00:14:22,925 --> 00:14:24,725 when people come from outside, 191 00:14:25,885 --> 00:14:27,505 free learning guys, unschooling guys, 192 00:14:27,705 --> 00:14:31,005 and sometimes the kids don't see any other kids 193 00:14:31,005 --> 00:14:32,565 over two or three years. 194 00:14:32,745 --> 00:14:34,025 It was sometimes a little bit tricky, 195 00:14:34,605 --> 00:14:37,345 but it was nice to see how the group from these kids 196 00:14:37,345 --> 00:14:39,265 from the age from six to 17, 197 00:14:39,485 --> 00:14:41,085 that's our ages in our group, 198 00:14:41,085 --> 00:14:44,405 work with these small problems. 199 00:14:44,785 --> 00:14:46,525 So they find their own solution. 200 00:14:47,065 --> 00:14:51,045 And it's the same if a project doesn't really work well. 201 00:14:51,505 --> 00:14:54,825 The kids ask the teacher, can we change something? 202 00:14:54,825 --> 00:14:57,405 Or can we do it on that or that way? 203 00:14:57,745 --> 00:14:58,965 And they do it all together. 204 00:14:59,125 --> 00:15:02,585 And that's the biggest thing I could see in all the time 205 00:15:02,585 --> 00:15:05,745 that they find their own solutions for their own problems. 206 00:15:06,885 --> 00:15:09,865 And it's really important that we, as a parent, 207 00:15:09,865 --> 00:15:16,645 don't control the kids don't control the projects it's a kids projects and if we grow as a family 208 00:15:16,645 --> 00:15:21,565 in a project then we can decide all together but it's only a kids project it's a kids thing and not 209 00:15:21,565 --> 00:15:25,645 the parents thing or teacher thing and that's really important and it works really well and 210 00:15:25,645 --> 00:15:32,665 the kids are happy the kids feel really good and they get never sick and they want to go and 211 00:15:32,665 --> 00:15:38,845 sometimes they want to wake up in the morning normally we don't have any times for for something 212 00:15:38,845 --> 00:15:44,925 before 10 11 we never start any projects so the only thing is surfing because it's up to the waves 213 00:15:44,925 --> 00:15:49,945 and but it changes all the time sometimes it's 8 30 sometimes it's 10 30 so but for the kids it's 214 00:15:49,945 --> 00:15:55,185 not a problem because they love what they do and they love for what they wake up and i think that's 215 00:15:55,185 --> 00:16:02,805 important thing and and that's what the system never can give to us to our family and to our 216 00:16:02,805 --> 00:16:11,185 kids and and i see especially for my biggest son he's 15 and a half now um he's such a nice guy he's 217 00:16:11,185 --> 00:16:16,305 a teenager okay so every guy who has teenager at home you know what i mean yeah so but it's normal 218 00:16:16,305 --> 00:16:24,085 so and uh but on the other side i'm so proud of him uh when i speak about him and other guys hear 219 00:16:24,085 --> 00:16:29,365 me speaking about him they said oh my god you are so proud of your boy yes and it's because of all 220 00:16:29,365 --> 00:16:30,845 his languages. Now he has a Portuguese 221 00:16:30,845 --> 00:16:33,465 girlfriend. He learns the Portuguese stuff before. 222 00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:35,485 It makes no sense for him. So I speak English. 223 00:16:35,585 --> 00:16:37,405 It's enough for me. And now it makes sense. 224 00:16:37,885 --> 00:16:39,205 And then he starts to learn Portuguese. 225 00:16:39,725 --> 00:16:41,285 So that's the real thing. 226 00:16:41,685 --> 00:16:42,645 And his mindset. 227 00:16:43,345 --> 00:16:45,345 I think when he go to 228 00:16:45,345 --> 00:16:47,065 school in a normal school system, 229 00:16:47,285 --> 00:16:49,265 I saw a lot of stuff there that was 230 00:16:49,265 --> 00:16:51,305 not good for him. And I'm really happy that we 231 00:16:51,305 --> 00:16:53,305 can take him out in 232 00:16:53,305 --> 00:16:53,965 the third grade. 233 00:16:55,365 --> 00:16:56,165 The system 234 00:16:56,165 --> 00:16:59,285 is not his prison. You know what I mean? 235 00:16:59,365 --> 00:17:00,905 it was not his system. 236 00:17:01,345 --> 00:17:03,185 And he only saw what we do. 237 00:17:03,345 --> 00:17:04,345 And I'm a self-employee. 238 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:06,225 And whenever, when he was a little boy, 239 00:17:06,385 --> 00:17:07,365 it starts with that. 240 00:17:07,765 --> 00:17:11,805 I had some workshops or some coachings 241 00:17:11,805 --> 00:17:12,405 all over the world. 242 00:17:12,665 --> 00:17:13,865 I took him with me. 243 00:17:14,145 --> 00:17:15,305 He saw it from the beginning. 244 00:17:15,825 --> 00:17:18,165 And he's so self-confident. 245 00:17:18,425 --> 00:17:20,305 Oh my goodness, it's better than me. 246 00:17:20,745 --> 00:17:22,645 And that's what makes me proud. 247 00:17:22,845 --> 00:17:25,065 And he finds his solutions for problems 248 00:17:25,065 --> 00:17:26,125 and his money mindset. 249 00:17:26,685 --> 00:17:28,865 So we start with gold and silver, 250 00:17:28,865 --> 00:17:33,205 small coins, then the Bitcoin area starts. 251 00:17:33,565 --> 00:17:38,885 So I'm not the big Bitcoin guy, but I know a little bit and I learn. 252 00:17:39,105 --> 00:17:39,345 I learn. 253 00:17:40,005 --> 00:17:43,145 And Carlos did it on his own way and he's faster than me. 254 00:17:43,865 --> 00:17:45,265 For him, it makes sense. 255 00:17:45,685 --> 00:17:47,265 And he really loved it. 256 00:17:47,345 --> 00:17:49,885 And now we have some online coachings. 257 00:17:50,165 --> 00:17:52,565 80% we do some offline stuff. 258 00:17:52,725 --> 00:17:54,925 So that's really important because people have to hack each other. 259 00:17:55,245 --> 00:17:56,465 People have to know each other. 260 00:17:56,465 --> 00:18:02,705 and especially for the project it's better life than online um and for online now we had a big 261 00:18:02,705 --> 00:18:07,985 group all over the world and these kids are starting with financial education and it's 262 00:18:07,985 --> 00:18:14,465 really interesting uh the kids are minimum 14 and above and it's really nice to see uh how they do 263 00:18:14,465 --> 00:18:21,105 that and what the questions are and um yeah it's really nice to see um what they are doing with 264 00:18:21,105 --> 00:18:29,505 this uh mindset and um yeah and i know for now um he will do his way so um i'm not afraid about him 265 00:18:29,505 --> 00:18:35,985 no way so he's good he goes to fitness studio he uh he eats good and clean food but he did it on his 266 00:18:35,985 --> 00:18:41,585 own way yeah we had other times for sure yeah but i told him all the time hey you have to do that 267 00:18:41,585 --> 00:18:47,665 you have to do that eat better and drink better but it makes no sense so he has to learn it on his 268 00:18:47,665 --> 00:18:54,125 his own way and he did and now he's a really cleanly sporty financial mindset guy it's really 269 00:18:54,125 --> 00:19:02,125 nice and he's shifting come on yeah and in school no way yeah and that's uh that's what i see on my 270 00:19:02,125 --> 00:19:08,045 for my own kids and my daughter is uh so creative because she's high sensitive and uh she don't like 271 00:19:08,045 --> 00:19:15,205 all the time people around her she needs her um a quiet place where she is a like in a meditation 272 00:19:15,205 --> 00:19:19,465 when she's doing her creative stuff and she loves horses, animals. 273 00:19:20,085 --> 00:19:22,605 That's her people. 274 00:19:22,985 --> 00:19:26,085 So she loves to hang around more with animals than with people. 275 00:19:26,565 --> 00:19:27,325 But it's okay. 276 00:19:27,405 --> 00:19:27,905 It's fine. 277 00:19:28,145 --> 00:19:29,785 And they are so different. 278 00:19:30,205 --> 00:19:31,865 And my little boy is a football guy. 279 00:19:31,945 --> 00:19:33,325 He loves to play football. 280 00:19:33,525 --> 00:19:35,005 He can't walk. 281 00:19:35,005 --> 00:19:36,965 He goes with the ball. 282 00:19:37,065 --> 00:19:38,805 When he was a little baby, it was really nice. 283 00:19:39,065 --> 00:19:41,385 And he loves to hang around in the nature. 284 00:19:41,705 --> 00:19:43,265 But he's a really boy. 285 00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:47,885 And yeah, they are three different kids, but they are kids. 286 00:19:48,065 --> 00:19:49,585 They are doing their own way. 287 00:19:50,025 --> 00:19:51,425 And that's interesting to see. 288 00:19:51,805 --> 00:19:56,105 But they have all these self-confidence that is really important. 289 00:19:56,365 --> 00:20:00,785 And they're looking up to us what we are doing all the time, all the day. 290 00:20:01,285 --> 00:20:02,785 And that's what they do. 291 00:20:03,105 --> 00:20:05,345 And yeah, for me, it's important. 292 00:20:05,445 --> 00:20:06,945 I never go to nine to five jobs. 293 00:20:07,185 --> 00:20:08,905 So I'm all the time since the beginning. 294 00:20:09,005 --> 00:20:11,925 I'm a self-employee guy and the kids know that from the first beginning. 295 00:20:11,925 --> 00:20:17,445 and yeah 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was my bigger fear than to just leave him alone and trust in whatever we 311 00:21:49,505 --> 00:21:55,665 want to call this life and what i really think is funny you worked in this anxiety fear coaching 312 00:21:55,665 --> 00:22:02,945 sector and now you are coaching all these people all these families into trusting themselves trusting 313 00:22:02,945 --> 00:22:08,305 human nature because this is what it is it's so let education we are going back where we come from 314 00:22:08,305 --> 00:22:16,145 we are nature we are life and we are not a system and we i think at least i speak for myself i don't 315 00:22:16,145 --> 00:22:20,545 belong in any system i don't want to be pressured into being something that i'm not because i was 316 00:22:20,545 --> 00:22:28,225 born into the form i am i mean i think i have something to do on this planet you know and what 317 00:22:28,225 --> 00:22:32,625 i really think is and what i've seen in so many kids you bring them to school and they forget about 318 00:22:32,625 --> 00:22:37,825 it and then like 30 years later they have depression and other disgusting stuff they have 319 00:22:37,825 --> 00:22:43,025 to deal with anxiety whatever because they don't know they are human beings with great power and 320 00:22:43,825 --> 00:22:47,825 maybe they have some kind of meaning on this planet you know what i mean they have a gift 321 00:22:47,825 --> 00:22:52,465 that came with them everyone is so individual because when you told the story about your girl 322 00:22:52,465 --> 00:22:57,425 that she loves animals more than humans i was like oh dude this is me first of all and secondly 323 00:22:58,305 --> 00:23:03,825 the gifts they are not being lost through unschooling they are being rediscovered and 324 00:23:04,545 --> 00:23:09,425 i think that's a so complex and beautiful situation you are in because you got the knowledge 325 00:23:09,425 --> 00:23:14,305 about anxiety now you're teaching all these people to really trust in themselves and letting their 326 00:23:14,305 --> 00:23:20,865 kids free i always think about how many kids are out there that now are finally able to live a soul 327 00:23:20,865 --> 00:23:26,305 led lifestyle that is incredible just imagine how many of these kids they just know why they are here 328 00:23:26,305 --> 00:23:30,465 and they are not afraid to follow this path that's incredible isn't it i don't know i don't even have 329 00:23:30,465 --> 00:23:34,945 a question i just think it's genius that this is falling into place in your life it looks like a 330 00:23:34,945 --> 00:23:41,025 puzzle like you've been prepared some something prepared you for that position that you're now in 331 00:23:41,025 --> 00:23:44,945 and you are just leading the way for all these parents i don't know how you feel about this 332 00:23:44,945 --> 00:23:49,985 anxiety fear thing but i really think as you said the kids are already there they are unschooling 333 00:23:49,985 --> 00:23:55,265 by nature is what it is that's just living i think this is living but we as parents that is 334 00:23:55,265 --> 00:24:01,425 the difficult part because we are so up from the system and society how do we get to the point that 335 00:24:01,425 --> 00:24:06,225 we are like getting up in the morning not feeling afraid for our kids and their future but being 336 00:24:06,225 --> 00:24:11,265 empowered i mean that is inside of us it's not our kids it's us so what do you tell people who 337 00:24:11,265 --> 00:24:17,425 are coming to you like yeah unschooling sounds good but yeah but uh the only thing we have to do 338 00:24:17,425 --> 00:24:23,825 and that's what we do all the days and uh is get connected um growing up as a community all over 339 00:24:23,825 --> 00:24:29,105 the world so if you're coming to have a visit to us so my home is your castle our community 340 00:24:29,105 --> 00:24:37,345 is free for you and your child and that's what it is and the most people are afraid because they are 341 00:24:37,345 --> 00:24:44,065 alone and when they grow up as a community they have each other and then they can share their 342 00:24:44,065 --> 00:24:51,905 life situation and they can grow with each other and we can support them with workshops we can do 343 00:24:51,905 --> 00:24:56,385 some projects with the kids but it's up to the people it's not up to us it's up to the people 344 00:24:56,385 --> 00:25:02,305 and the important thing what will happen that's what i'm thinking about is when all people get 345 00:25:02,305 --> 00:25:10,625 together and don't bring the kids to school the system will change yeah so that's the important 346 00:25:10,625 --> 00:25:16,785 thing that system will change if you don't pay any taxes come on what will happen think about that 347 00:25:16,785 --> 00:25:23,505 it's up to us it's not to go with uh forks and fire and something like that and go to demonstration 348 00:25:23,505 --> 00:25:31,545 stuff and no we don't need that so energy follows the energy so and when we grow up together and we 349 00:25:31,545 --> 00:25:38,605 when we uh build up these um uh special places where we can meet up yeah the whole world is a 350 00:25:38,605 --> 00:25:44,225 village and when we understand that and when we practice that um then we will change the whole 351 00:25:44,225 --> 00:25:50,025 world and that's what i'm thinking about that yeah and the special thing too is when we don't live 352 00:25:50,025 --> 00:25:58,265 anymore in fears thinking about our kids will have one day children maybe yeah so what is going on 353 00:25:58,265 --> 00:26:04,625 with these new kids this new generation i get goosebumps oh my goodness yeah and it's all about 354 00:26:04,625 --> 00:26:11,645 our mindset it's up to us that is so true i really like that because i've been going through a really 355 00:26:11,645 --> 00:26:17,285 tough de-schooling process i'm a teacher and i went through a lot of school private school 356 00:26:17,285 --> 00:26:24,085 university more university even more university but i studied so long to be free because you in 357 00:26:24,085 --> 00:26:28,725 germany you have like three months of presence in university three months of vacation and i was like 358 00:26:28,725 --> 00:26:36,325 perfect i love it um but what i learned from all these learning is that the real thing i was stupid 359 00:26:36,325 --> 00:26:53,951 as fuck i didn know anything even after 10 years of studying uh that i needed to apply for jobs i I felt like wow I don even know what I I don know I cannot do these jobs I too stupid for that I don have the education After 13 years of school and 10 years of studying I didn have the qualification for me 360 00:26:54,091 --> 00:26:58,831 They would have hired me, but that would have been very depressing and embarrassing for me, for sure. 361 00:26:59,531 --> 00:27:07,071 So what I really thought after that, the system that made me stupid as fuck is now forbidding me from teaching my kid. 362 00:27:07,211 --> 00:27:08,251 Why am I so stupid? 363 00:27:08,251 --> 00:27:10,031 Because you fucked up in the first place. 364 00:27:10,031 --> 00:27:14,551 so of course i'm too stupid to teach my kid because i'm broken inside not because i 365 00:27:14,551 --> 00:27:19,591 lack resources the resources are all over you just have to flip on your mobile phone and you 366 00:27:19,591 --> 00:27:24,071 read about unschooling and all these things but i think reading about it and actually doing it 367 00:27:24,071 --> 00:27:32,211 in between is this fine yeah period of de-schooling yourself from all these experiences all these 368 00:27:32,211 --> 00:27:38,271 yeah expectations fears and all of these things for me the hardest part was was 369 00:27:38,271 --> 00:27:45,511 maybe realizing how fucked up i was really and then to not continue with this bullshit and to 370 00:27:45,511 --> 00:27:50,891 break the cycle for our kids what i do imagine because i know a lot of unschooling adults who 371 00:27:50,891 --> 00:27:56,111 now do unschool their kids as well so they are not breaking the cycle and a lot of people are 372 00:27:56,111 --> 00:28:01,231 like when i first told them especially germans like um yeah we do unschooling oh the poor guy 373 00:28:01,231 --> 00:28:06,591 he will make better with his kids i was like dude i doubt that because all the unschooling adults i 374 00:28:06,591 --> 00:28:11,171 know are now unschooling their kids so it's repetitive we are doing it again and again and 375 00:28:11,171 --> 00:28:17,971 again because they realize it sets them free and the most ironic part is that everyone was telling 376 00:28:17,971 --> 00:28:22,651 me you won't have any free time you won't have because if your kid is at home blah blah blah 377 00:28:22,651 --> 00:28:27,851 i was like dude this is human nature that kids are with their parents i don't know where you got 378 00:28:27,851 --> 00:28:33,471 that idea from that i have to have my free time all the time to not be with my kid but all these 379 00:28:33,471 --> 00:28:38,691 thoughts about how kids need to be raised. Let's see how the indigenous do it in the jungle. 380 00:28:39,111 --> 00:28:44,751 How did we do it a couple of hundred years ago? I mean, we carried our kids, we breastfed, 381 00:28:45,031 --> 00:28:49,111 we did all these things. And when I tell my grandma about this, she was like, yeah, 382 00:28:49,111 --> 00:28:54,031 but a lot of kids died. Yeah, but not about unschooling because times change. And now we 383 00:28:54,031 --> 00:29:00,271 have a lot of resources we didn't have before. Maybe I think it's just crazy how much we have 384 00:29:00,271 --> 00:29:06,231 to change into being the best coach for our kids i think that's incredible and the best part is as 385 00:29:06,231 --> 00:29:11,751 you said we need the village we cannot do it alone of course not that is just insane and i've been 386 00:29:11,751 --> 00:29:15,491 doing it alone and if you mentioned there were kids like they didn't see other kids for three 387 00:29:15,491 --> 00:29:20,091 two three years yeah i have the same problem when i was traveling with my kid especially 388 00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:26,811 while uh this these lockdowns and everything there are some places you never meet kids i 389 00:29:26,811 --> 00:29:28,331 And we, I mean, you live in Portugal. 390 00:29:28,491 --> 00:29:31,571 I lived in Portugal for four months and we didn't see any kids. 391 00:29:31,731 --> 00:29:35,251 We were just in a very shitty place that had no kids. 392 00:29:35,331 --> 00:29:37,291 I was like, dude, this is actually true. 393 00:29:37,411 --> 00:29:39,871 We have not enough kids and not enough freedom. 394 00:29:39,871 --> 00:29:40,951 So we need to change that. 395 00:29:41,031 --> 00:29:42,291 We are not overpopulated. 396 00:29:42,771 --> 00:29:46,571 I think we are underpopulated and overpopulated with the wrong people, 397 00:29:46,691 --> 00:29:47,271 kind of people. 398 00:29:47,851 --> 00:29:51,991 So everything is so artificial that people are not even realizing 399 00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:53,891 what they're doing to their kids and themselves. 400 00:29:53,891 --> 00:30:00,671 and the biggest game changer in unschooling is how much freedom i got it wasn't about oh you will 401 00:30:00,671 --> 00:30:06,411 be at home 24 7 with your kid all alone blah blah blah no i have the most freedom i can ever think 402 00:30:06,411 --> 00:30:11,271 of i don't have this you have to be at work at 8 7 30 your kid needs to go to school or these kind 403 00:30:11,271 --> 00:30:18,551 of struggle things it's quality time and life is about being or like creating and being in this 404 00:30:18,551 --> 00:30:23,211 position to create you you cannot be afraid and you cannot be stressed out all the time so i think 405 00:30:23,211 --> 00:30:29,311 we are really breaking a deep cycle that I now just started to realize how deep that even is. 406 00:30:29,711 --> 00:30:35,091 It's not me or my son, it's humanity. We are going into a direction that is so creepy. 407 00:30:35,831 --> 00:30:43,031 I cannot even comprehend how we ended up in the situation to look at kids and go like, wow, 408 00:30:44,091 --> 00:30:48,611 this is ugly. We need to work on this. Like, wow, how? How? They are perfect when they are born. 409 00:30:48,611 --> 00:31:16,091 I don't know. We are so far from ourselves. And I think that's the main problem when I worked with unschooling parents. They don't feel themselves anymore. They lost the connection to the source. They are out there all alone, even if they are in the community. It's so sad. But I think this, what you are doing, this is so beautiful. And I swear to you, if I would not have planned already to leave Europe, this project was really, I was talking to my son about it. He was like, yeah, that's cool. That's cool. That's cool. 410 00:31:16,091 --> 00:31:17,251 I was like, yeah, but it's Madeira. 411 00:31:17,431 --> 00:31:18,671 And he was like, fuck, we hate Madeira. 412 00:31:18,811 --> 00:31:21,411 I was like, yes, it's not our place. 413 00:31:21,591 --> 00:31:23,671 But you need to expand for sure. 414 00:31:23,851 --> 00:31:24,871 We need more of these projects. 415 00:31:25,331 --> 00:31:27,031 Still, I don't have any question for you. 416 00:31:27,191 --> 00:31:30,511 I don't know because I'm so into realizing all these connections. 417 00:31:31,451 --> 00:31:32,171 So I don't know. 418 00:31:32,231 --> 00:31:34,451 What do you think about this soul aspect? 419 00:31:34,591 --> 00:31:38,771 Maybe it's too woo-woo, but I really want to start to talk more about it 420 00:31:38,771 --> 00:31:41,251 because I'm convinced that we come here with a mission. 421 00:31:42,031 --> 00:31:45,851 And I think it's on purpose that they make us forget. 422 00:31:46,091 --> 00:31:52,331 and bury it under when did the world war one start and two and what else and these kind of 423 00:31:52,331 --> 00:31:58,171 bullshit and i really think half of that shit is not even true so i think it's all about dehumanizing 424 00:31:58,171 --> 00:32:06,131 humanity what we start what we could start is a big movement and um yeah we need a lot of people 425 00:32:06,131 --> 00:32:14,411 for that and um uh maybe to explain something what people for people uh do as well um we had a lot of 426 00:32:14,411 --> 00:32:19,851 sponsors, investors and supporters with 20 euros for each per month. 427 00:32:19,851 --> 00:32:24,651 And with all this money, we can do some projects, we can do class trips. 428 00:32:24,651 --> 00:32:27,931 We did it last year and it was a really nice journey. 429 00:32:28,251 --> 00:32:29,371 Over 15 kids. 430 00:32:29,851 --> 00:32:33,611 Next trip we'll go to Sweden and we go with all our kids. 431 00:32:33,851 --> 00:32:36,171 I think for now it will be 2025. 432 00:32:36,971 --> 00:32:40,891 Yeah, but it's a big journey and we have a sponsor for this stuff 433 00:32:40,891 --> 00:32:44,511 that we can bring all these kids to all these places. 434 00:32:44,731 --> 00:32:46,891 Maybe next year we go to Sri Lanka. 435 00:32:47,631 --> 00:32:49,711 I don't know how it works in English. 436 00:32:50,091 --> 00:32:50,911 It's Africa. 437 00:32:51,451 --> 00:32:54,051 And there's a project from a member of us 438 00:32:54,051 --> 00:32:56,131 and we want to support her for two weeks 439 00:32:56,131 --> 00:32:58,431 and building up some houses and something like that. 440 00:32:58,831 --> 00:33:01,331 And the kids see how the people living there 441 00:33:01,331 --> 00:33:04,251 with 60 euros or with six people per month. 442 00:33:04,251 --> 00:33:07,111 And it's another world, yeah, other than Mexico, 443 00:33:07,371 --> 00:33:09,491 other than Madeira or other than Germany. 444 00:33:09,491 --> 00:33:12,251 it's another world and it's 445 00:33:12,251 --> 00:33:14,631 important for the kids to see 446 00:33:14,631 --> 00:33:16,571 what is going on in the world 447 00:33:16,571 --> 00:33:18,091 and see all these cultures 448 00:33:18,091 --> 00:33:20,271 and yeah, you know what I mean 449 00:33:20,271 --> 00:33:22,471 and that's what we are doing 450 00:33:22,471 --> 00:33:24,251 and when we create new 451 00:33:24,251 --> 00:33:26,591 spaces in Thailand, in Mexico 452 00:33:26,591 --> 00:33:28,871 or maybe in Costa Rica 453 00:33:28,871 --> 00:33:30,471 or somewhere else 454 00:33:30,471 --> 00:33:31,771 we can support 455 00:33:31,771 --> 00:33:34,251 but we need a person 456 00:33:34,251 --> 00:33:36,491 who is strong 457 00:33:36,491 --> 00:33:38,251 and is self-confident 458 00:33:38,251 --> 00:33:40,491 directly on that space, 459 00:33:40,791 --> 00:33:41,871 working with us together 460 00:33:41,871 --> 00:33:43,931 and bringing these people together, 461 00:33:44,211 --> 00:33:46,031 the travelers, the unschoolers, 462 00:33:46,391 --> 00:33:47,211 the locals. 463 00:33:47,371 --> 00:33:48,391 It's really important 464 00:33:48,391 --> 00:33:50,531 to have some locals with you. 465 00:33:51,531 --> 00:33:54,131 Yeah, you need a whole village 466 00:33:54,131 --> 00:33:54,851 to raise a child. 467 00:33:55,271 --> 00:33:56,011 That's the thing. 468 00:33:56,611 --> 00:33:59,091 And you don't need only 469 00:33:59,091 --> 00:34:00,611 homeschoolers, unschoolers, 470 00:34:00,731 --> 00:34:01,371 free learning guys. 471 00:34:01,631 --> 00:34:02,671 You need the locals too. 472 00:34:02,671 --> 00:34:03,671 So that's really important 473 00:34:03,671 --> 00:34:06,371 to learn everything about that space. 474 00:34:06,691 --> 00:34:07,891 But we are open for everything. 475 00:34:08,251 --> 00:34:10,851 And we support everything, every good ideas. 476 00:34:11,231 --> 00:34:14,331 But we have to come together and have to think about, 477 00:34:14,451 --> 00:34:17,731 okay, Alex, what is your biggest purpose? 478 00:34:17,851 --> 00:34:18,531 What can we do? 479 00:34:18,851 --> 00:34:22,211 What is, that was the biggest thing is you can bring into that community. 480 00:34:22,511 --> 00:34:23,231 What can I do? 481 00:34:23,571 --> 00:34:24,871 What can Sylvia do? 482 00:34:24,951 --> 00:34:26,191 What can Peter do? 483 00:34:26,191 --> 00:34:31,971 And all these things and everyone, it's what you told me before. 484 00:34:32,491 --> 00:34:36,571 Everyone has some special thing inside and we are here for something. 485 00:34:36,571 --> 00:34:40,891 And yeah, I think we have to bring that together and then it will work for sure. 486 00:34:41,151 --> 00:34:41,571 It will work. 487 00:34:42,411 --> 00:34:43,451 Yeah, I think the same. 488 00:34:44,071 --> 00:34:50,771 And I think this is what we are relearning at the moment to really make genuine connections with others that are beyond profit. 489 00:34:51,611 --> 00:34:57,691 And because I've seen a lot of educational profits that were organizations like very, very beautiful. 490 00:34:57,871 --> 00:35:04,271 But after looking behind the scenes, I felt like, OK, these are people who steal money from the parents. 491 00:35:04,271 --> 00:35:08,351 and these are people who like to fuck little kids and these kind of things. 492 00:35:08,391 --> 00:35:12,491 And I was like, wow, this is in the front a beautiful project, 493 00:35:12,491 --> 00:35:14,371 but the back end is like fucked up. 494 00:35:14,751 --> 00:35:18,391 So I've been distancing myself for quite some time from all these projects 495 00:35:18,391 --> 00:35:22,371 because I thought, wow, I didn't meet one project live. 496 00:35:22,731 --> 00:35:25,991 I mean, online, I've seen a lot of beautiful projects, 497 00:35:26,091 --> 00:35:30,631 but I was so devastated seeing how people misuse this power 498 00:35:30,631 --> 00:35:34,831 and misuse that other parents really want to change something 499 00:35:34,831 --> 00:35:36,231 and put in their energy and money. 500 00:35:36,811 --> 00:35:39,071 And others are like, oh, my money now. 501 00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:40,651 And I think that's really crazy. 502 00:35:40,811 --> 00:35:44,171 I've seen so many crazy projects and stories behind these projects. 503 00:35:44,431 --> 00:35:46,771 So I was like, okay, that is not going to go anywhere. 504 00:35:47,171 --> 00:35:49,771 But I think time changed, especially after Corona, 505 00:35:49,911 --> 00:35:52,651 after all these lockdowns, I have the feeling people are way more open to, 506 00:35:53,171 --> 00:35:56,491 yeah, let's really connect from heart to heart, soul to soul, 507 00:35:56,951 --> 00:35:59,391 like humans do. 508 00:35:59,391 --> 00:36:09,471 so I think after traveling all over the world so many years I think the huge benefit of that we are 509 00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:15,651 all connected is that we really need to spread these messages and not only to be in one point 510 00:36:15,651 --> 00:36:21,651 and being in our own little bubble you know that's comfortable that is nice but we have to spread 511 00:36:21,651 --> 00:36:26,091 that and have to connect with other communities what do you think is the hardest part because we 512 00:36:26,091 --> 00:36:31,611 so early i like to compare it to bitcoin because bitcoin we're still so early and unschooling i 513 00:36:31,611 --> 00:36:37,211 think this is nothing new but we're still so early because humanity is going into such a crazy 514 00:36:37,211 --> 00:36:41,691 direction but do you think is the hardest part in connecting other projects from all over the 515 00:36:41,691 --> 00:36:49,611 world because sometimes you don't know the people and i i had such crazy like that's only one word 516 00:36:49,611 --> 00:36:57,951 only one word it's the ego it's a big thing it's the big thing and and this speech you need the 517 00:36:57,951 --> 00:37:02,511 village to raise a child I think it's not the right time to meet the village to raise a child 518 00:37:02,511 --> 00:37:10,491 you need the community to raise a child because that's what you are said it's crazy times and you 519 00:37:10,491 --> 00:37:17,511 don't know if you have a community for village staff who's living there who's coming there and 520 00:37:17,511 --> 00:37:21,931 And I saw a lot of communities and projects in small villages. 521 00:37:23,091 --> 00:37:26,091 And I'm really sad about that, what is going on there. 522 00:37:26,651 --> 00:37:31,531 Not always, but I saw a lot of stuff and pedophile guys. 523 00:37:31,891 --> 00:37:34,091 And yeah, I'm not happy with that. 524 00:37:34,211 --> 00:37:37,011 And now I can tell you how we do that here. 525 00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:38,871 So we have a real village here. 526 00:37:39,171 --> 00:37:42,211 Yeah, so it's 2000 people like a village we know from the old times. 527 00:37:42,651 --> 00:37:47,231 Everyone has his own house or flat and the kids can go by feet to their neighbors. 528 00:37:47,511 --> 00:37:50,851 and hang around and we're doing projects together. 529 00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:53,931 So on our island, we have the most time with weather 530 00:37:53,931 --> 00:37:55,891 so we can do everything outside. 531 00:37:55,891 --> 00:37:57,111 Yeah, we can use the elements. 532 00:37:57,111 --> 00:37:59,571 So we don't need a private room for that. 533 00:37:59,571 --> 00:38:00,731 We don't need that. 534 00:38:00,731 --> 00:38:02,271 Sometimes the kids are in my house 535 00:38:02,271 --> 00:38:03,831 and we're doing some craft workshops. 536 00:38:03,831 --> 00:38:05,091 Sometimes we're outside. 537 00:38:05,091 --> 00:38:07,371 Sometimes we are at the home from another family 538 00:38:07,371 --> 00:38:08,511 and doing other stuff. 539 00:38:08,511 --> 00:38:11,131 So, and it works and it works. 540 00:38:11,131 --> 00:38:15,131 And the important thing is you know each other 541 00:38:15,131 --> 00:38:16,991 on a small way. 542 00:38:16,991 --> 00:38:21,311 So I don't know you. I don't know her, him and all this stuff. 543 00:38:21,531 --> 00:38:25,691 I have to learn where are the people in front of me. 544 00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:29,091 Yeah. And that's really important. And you need time for that. 545 00:38:29,351 --> 00:38:34,091 You need time for that. And I think it's not good to create a village and everyone is coming, 546 00:38:34,411 --> 00:38:40,891 pay some some bitcoins or euros, whatever, and coming into a village. 547 00:38:40,991 --> 00:38:43,631 You don't know these people. You don't know these people. 548 00:38:43,631 --> 00:38:45,811 and that's what I saw 549 00:38:45,811 --> 00:38:46,811 for some villages 550 00:38:46,811 --> 00:38:48,871 in Europe 551 00:38:48,871 --> 00:38:51,951 so the people come together and in the end 552 00:38:51,951 --> 00:38:53,091 they don't like each other 553 00:38:53,091 --> 00:38:55,731 so they have a different life 554 00:38:55,731 --> 00:38:56,971 and a different mindset 555 00:38:56,971 --> 00:38:59,231 and the important thing is okay unschooling 556 00:38:59,231 --> 00:39:00,711 we want to create a village 557 00:39:00,711 --> 00:39:02,891 we two guys are unschoolers 558 00:39:02,891 --> 00:39:04,651 and the other two guys were the kids in the school 559 00:39:04,651 --> 00:39:05,251 what? 560 00:39:06,971 --> 00:39:08,471 so it makes no sense 561 00:39:08,471 --> 00:39:10,591 and I think we need a little bit more time 562 00:39:10,591 --> 00:39:12,611 and the important thing is for now 563 00:39:12,611 --> 00:39:16,791 what we can do is to learn to think on another way. 564 00:39:17,371 --> 00:39:18,271 Unschool ourselves. 565 00:39:18,751 --> 00:39:19,931 I have to do that every day. 566 00:39:20,071 --> 00:39:20,431 Come on. 567 00:39:20,591 --> 00:39:21,751 Yeah, I'm not ready for now. 568 00:39:21,851 --> 00:39:22,551 I'm not perfect. 569 00:39:22,811 --> 00:39:26,071 I'm, yeah, I have to do that every day. 570 00:39:26,171 --> 00:39:26,931 It's really important. 571 00:39:27,031 --> 00:39:29,351 And I have to unschool myself from the system 572 00:39:29,351 --> 00:39:31,331 and all this stuff around me. 573 00:39:31,451 --> 00:39:34,131 And it happens all the day, five days 574 00:39:34,131 --> 00:39:35,571 and everything changed on the world. 575 00:39:35,651 --> 00:39:36,011 Come on. 576 00:39:36,531 --> 00:39:39,071 It's a crazy time and time flies so fast. 577 00:39:39,651 --> 00:39:40,051 Oh my God. 578 00:39:40,231 --> 00:39:40,371 Yeah. 579 00:39:40,371 --> 00:39:43,651 So maybe we get older or something like that. 580 00:39:43,711 --> 00:39:46,311 But no, I think there are other things happening. 581 00:39:46,631 --> 00:39:50,911 And yeah, we have to think about what we can do with us first. 582 00:39:51,131 --> 00:39:55,451 And freedom, unschooling, all this real stuff starts inside of us. 583 00:39:55,511 --> 00:39:58,771 But the most of people, they don't know how they can use that, 584 00:39:58,851 --> 00:39:59,591 how they can do that. 585 00:39:59,971 --> 00:40:01,691 And I think that's our job, Alex. 586 00:40:01,811 --> 00:40:05,671 That's our job to get together and bring some information outside 587 00:40:05,671 --> 00:40:17,676 to help the people how they can do that how they can be self how they can lose the fear and all this stuff how they can do another money mindset how they can pay the bills uh without 588 00:40:17,676 --> 00:40:24,636 bank accounts that's so much information and the nervous system said no yeah they had they had your 589 00:40:24,636 --> 00:40:30,156 mindset is on the mars you know and your body can't do that so that's what i see all time for 590 00:40:30,156 --> 00:40:34,556 the people and they get sick and then they said okay i stay in the comfort zone it's better for me 591 00:40:35,756 --> 00:40:39,756 So, yeah, and I think it needs some people to do that. 592 00:40:39,756 --> 00:40:43,756 True, true, true. You know what I wanted to mention after you and me, 593 00:40:43,756 --> 00:40:46,756 we both mentioned pedophiles in crazy communities or projects, 594 00:40:46,756 --> 00:40:50,756 but we know that in schools this is happening too. 595 00:40:50,756 --> 00:40:55,756 This is not project-based, this is humanity's current problem. 596 00:40:55,756 --> 00:40:58,756 So I just wanted to mention that because it was in my head like, 597 00:40:58,756 --> 00:41:01,756 oh my God, now we are saying we've met so many pedophiles. 598 00:41:01,756 --> 00:41:03,756 Like, yeah, but in school, there too in school. 599 00:41:03,756 --> 00:41:09,196 and it's even worse because you you don't have the connection you're you are not there and when 600 00:41:09,196 --> 00:41:13,356 you're working in a project with your child and your sense like okay that's a weirdo you can just 601 00:41:13,356 --> 00:41:18,876 go home but in school you're stuck in school what would you say are like the top things to do when 602 00:41:18,876 --> 00:41:24,476 you feel overwhelmed with your own unschooling journey like i love meditation but i know that 603 00:41:24,476 --> 00:41:28,236 some people are like yeah meditation is not good enough and then i'm like yeah do some mushrooms 604 00:41:28,236 --> 00:41:31,516 and people are like oh that's illegal and then i'm like yeah go somewhere where it's legal then 605 00:41:31,516 --> 00:41:36,216 because I really think psychedelic substances do help a lot 606 00:41:36,216 --> 00:41:41,416 because they really catch you and kick you out of the whole concept. 607 00:41:41,596 --> 00:41:43,456 We are thinking that's true, but it's not. 608 00:41:44,096 --> 00:41:47,096 And coming back is hard because then you have to reconsider how you're living. 609 00:41:47,476 --> 00:41:49,076 But what would you say are like easy? 610 00:41:49,216 --> 00:41:52,996 It's never easy, but it's maybe easier than going to the jungle and do ayahuasca. 611 00:41:53,116 --> 00:41:55,656 Maybe what would you say where to start? 612 00:41:57,276 --> 00:41:58,356 Not with ayahuasca. 613 00:41:58,356 --> 00:42:06,916 so i'm i'm um i'm really cool with that but the most people don't do that on the right way that's 614 00:42:06,916 --> 00:42:13,036 that's they have to learn so if you know a shamanic guy or you are in the amazonas or 615 00:42:13,036 --> 00:42:18,056 something like that um then it's cool but don't do it on yourself when you never try any other 616 00:42:18,056 --> 00:42:24,296 stuff before and or with groups with 50 people please don't do that yeah i hear a lot of stuff 617 00:42:24,296 --> 00:42:25,516 and we had that on Madeira too. 618 00:42:25,656 --> 00:42:26,816 Some guys do it in the flat 619 00:42:26,816 --> 00:42:29,336 and other crazy things. 620 00:42:29,656 --> 00:42:30,976 But it's not the thing 621 00:42:30,976 --> 00:42:32,136 we were once talking about. 622 00:42:32,756 --> 00:42:34,816 But please be aware with that 623 00:42:34,816 --> 00:42:35,796 and then everything is cool. 624 00:42:35,876 --> 00:42:36,376 It could help. 625 00:42:36,656 --> 00:42:37,316 But in the beginning, 626 00:42:37,596 --> 00:42:38,636 it's really important 627 00:42:38,636 --> 00:42:40,636 to connect yourself with the nature. 628 00:42:40,896 --> 00:42:43,596 Find out what kind of guy you are. 629 00:42:43,716 --> 00:42:44,916 So I'm the ocean girl. 630 00:42:44,996 --> 00:42:45,796 I need water. 631 00:42:46,196 --> 00:42:47,716 I need a bathroom 632 00:42:47,716 --> 00:42:49,476 where I can hang around. 633 00:42:50,316 --> 00:42:51,896 What is Varevan, Alex? 634 00:42:52,736 --> 00:42:53,696 The bathtub. 635 00:42:54,296 --> 00:42:59,016 yeah the best hub so i need something like the best hub because i need fish you know maybe i'm 636 00:42:59,016 --> 00:43:05,736 from atlantis or something like that so i need water otherwise i get dry and die so um and forest 637 00:43:05,736 --> 00:43:17,336 for me um it makes me i feel um how i feel um yeah it makes me uh to thinking about fear so uh 638 00:43:17,336 --> 00:43:25,816 and i feel um sick and dark and so forest is not mine so it's an open forest i see the sky the blue 639 00:43:25,816 --> 00:43:31,096 sky the color blue is really important for me i love green yeah but i need it in the combination 640 00:43:31,096 --> 00:43:36,136 with blue i go here in the final or something like that it's a high energy place for me and some other 641 00:43:36,136 --> 00:43:41,256 spots here so i can recharge there but for me it's the most important thing the ocean i get with the 642 00:43:42,056 --> 00:43:46,936 with tools inside and it will charge me when i hear some waterfalls or something it will charge 643 00:43:46,936 --> 00:43:52,136 me so and maybe for you it's the different thing you go to the forest and you can recharge a friend 644 00:43:52,136 --> 00:43:58,536 of mine called me um one hour before and she said oh i have nine percent on my mobile phone and 645 00:43:59,256 --> 00:44:04,776 i think it's not your mobile phone it's your body okay we charge let's talk later and you know find 646 00:44:04,776 --> 00:44:12,056 out what's your nature stuff yeah so that's the first thing and then go there every day minimum 647 00:44:12,056 --> 00:44:18,376 10 minutes longer is better but minimum 10 minutes every day yeah for some guys it's meditation and 648 00:44:18,376 --> 00:44:24,856 maybe breastwork could work too so i'm a really really um happy with psychedelic breastwork not 649 00:44:24,856 --> 00:44:29,976 normal breastwork i love psychedelic breastwork that's completely mine and um that's what i love 650 00:44:29,976 --> 00:44:36,616 and it's a good tool for me and i love meditations that's uh good for me as well and i love silence um 651 00:44:37,416 --> 00:44:44,376 i go every time um alex you have to help me once again in a schweige close down oh silent retreat 652 00:44:44,376 --> 00:44:50,376 i love that yes yes and for me i'm talking all the time little so communication it's my to it 653 00:44:51,016 --> 00:44:56,456 and when i go there the first time it it was like a junkie the feeling like a junkie oh my goodness 654 00:44:56,456 --> 00:45:05,016 no handy no better than that yeah so but 10 days crazy guys you have to try it yeah and you get 655 00:45:05,016 --> 00:45:10,296 connected with something whatever it is yeah you get connected so after two or three days when you 656 00:45:10,296 --> 00:45:16,696 come down yeah um and it's really nice and for me it's a good thing some guys call it vipassana too 657 00:45:16,696 --> 00:45:23,176 and go there um find out what's the best thing but if you do it on uh small things you can do a lot 658 00:45:23,176 --> 00:45:29,496 of stuff at home be in a room alone um here's some good relaxing music or be in the silent stuff 659 00:45:29,496 --> 00:45:37,576 and lay down yeah try to don't think over it's really important and for me um it was a journey 660 00:45:37,576 --> 00:45:43,576 over years so you have the universal law i don't know if you know that um that's what we are doing 661 00:45:43,576 --> 00:45:49,736 with the kids too all the time and um i don't have any thoughts in my mind whatever will happen it 662 00:45:49,736 --> 00:45:55,816 needs 10 seconds and then it's out so and that's for me my best medicine so i control my thoughts 663 00:45:55,816 --> 00:46:02,456 so and when i lie down i don't have any source the only thing i do is inhale gold light and bring out 664 00:46:02,456 --> 00:46:10,456 black clouds that's what i do all the time so and my uh cells are charged i'm really healthy 665 00:46:10,456 --> 00:46:17,016 and that's what you can do all the time you can lay down inhale a golden light and exhale black 666 00:46:17,016 --> 00:46:23,096 clouds that works for sure yeah but if you don't know nothing go in nature and find out what kind 667 00:46:23,096 --> 00:46:29,336 of nature type you are that is so true i think that is um yeah that is so true what you said 668 00:46:29,336 --> 00:46:34,376 learn about yourself and be very kind to yourself like i learned over the last couple of months to 669 00:46:34,376 --> 00:46:39,816 treat myself like i would treat my best friend because i was so mean to myself all the time and 670 00:46:39,816 --> 00:46:45,736 then i realized wow i would never talk like that to someone else i was like i need to change that 671 00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:52,856 so that helps to redefine your um relationship with yourself i would say and start there and 672 00:46:52,856 --> 00:46:55,036 And I think stop asking for permission. 673 00:46:55,216 --> 00:46:59,816 If you feel like you want to spend like 10 minutes on the ocean side every day, 674 00:47:00,076 --> 00:47:02,236 some people are like, oh, wow, this is a lot. 675 00:47:02,816 --> 00:47:05,236 Yeah, but you don't have to ask anyone for permission. 676 00:47:05,356 --> 00:47:06,756 You just have to start acting. 677 00:47:07,996 --> 00:47:12,116 What I see that a lot of people are theoretically in the place to do unschooling, 678 00:47:12,116 --> 00:47:16,276 but like practically far away because of routine and so on and so on. 679 00:47:16,496 --> 00:47:19,056 What I really liked to do in the last weeks, 680 00:47:19,056 --> 00:47:29,036 I tried always for three days to not have a agenda, a schedule, because my schedule for the last, let's say, 15 years, I always had a paper for every day. 681 00:47:29,496 --> 00:47:37,176 And sometimes I was so fucked up, so stressed out that I even had to put on brush my teeth because I would be out of my mind. 682 00:47:37,256 --> 00:47:40,056 I was so stressed. I couldn't even remember the basic things to do. 683 00:47:40,556 --> 00:47:45,796 And then I got now to like having three or five things on my list, but not brushing your teeth or something like that. 684 00:47:45,796 --> 00:47:48,476 It's like 12 o'clock Jackie podcast or something like that. 685 00:47:49,056 --> 00:47:52,696 But living without that gave me the most exciting. 686 00:47:52,856 --> 00:47:53,536 I was getting up. 687 00:47:53,576 --> 00:47:55,376 I was like, oh, my God, what am I going to do? 688 00:47:56,256 --> 00:47:57,016 And when? 689 00:47:57,856 --> 00:47:58,716 How will I know? 690 00:47:59,156 --> 00:48:01,636 And that gave me the freedom to, okay, you know what? 691 00:48:01,676 --> 00:48:03,076 You're going to feel what's up. 692 00:48:03,216 --> 00:48:04,476 You just follow the flow. 693 00:48:04,476 --> 00:48:12,796 And I think giving us the permission to go back or to redefine a lifestyle that is more human-based than system-based. 694 00:48:13,396 --> 00:48:16,956 And to be able to delete all of these things from our life. 695 00:48:16,956 --> 00:48:21,256 Even if it's just, yeah, I always have to do this at 7.45 in the morning. 696 00:48:21,616 --> 00:48:22,876 You know, you actually don't. 697 00:48:23,476 --> 00:48:30,556 And what I think helps a lot of people is really to go out and connect with others and to work on the money mindset. 698 00:48:31,096 --> 00:48:40,036 Because money, my father, he's working as a psychiatrist and he always says money is the number one reason for anxiety in his point of view. 699 00:48:40,416 --> 00:48:45,936 Because if we always have like a million amount of money, we would care for ourselves way better actually because we could. 700 00:48:45,936 --> 00:48:51,916 so I think looking into how we treat ourselves and how we treat money makes a huge difference 701 00:48:51,916 --> 00:48:56,256 it doesn't mean yeah let's put our savings all into bitcoin or something like that not at all 702 00:48:56,256 --> 00:49:01,216 but just to be aware of that money is not what they've been telling us because I've met people 703 00:49:01,216 --> 00:49:07,056 who never work and who have always like they are always they have cash on hand and they're just 704 00:49:07,056 --> 00:49:12,236 manifesting it through doing what their soul wants them to do I'm not there yet I'm not there yet 705 00:49:12,236 --> 00:49:16,516 But this is how it should work like because I see it's working. 706 00:49:17,576 --> 00:49:22,516 So I think it's a natural thing to be in the like in a harmonic money flow. 707 00:49:23,056 --> 00:49:23,316 I don't know. 708 00:49:23,456 --> 00:49:29,076 It's a completely different topic, but I'm very curious how this will look for our people. 709 00:49:29,076 --> 00:49:33,716 And we have the wrong money mindset from the beginning. 710 00:49:34,136 --> 00:49:38,216 So money is bad and all this stuff. 711 00:49:38,216 --> 00:49:47,776 and yeah it's like you said um if we um if we could be ourself money will flow on his own way 712 00:49:47,776 --> 00:49:52,276 for sure energy follows the energy and then we don't have to think about that it works 713 00:49:52,276 --> 00:49:58,716 from their own stuff so that's really important to know so true so true okay tell me everything 714 00:49:58,716 --> 00:50:03,896 how can people reach you how can they participate how can they partner up with you how can they 715 00:50:03,896 --> 00:50:08,696 donate where do people find you online and I know Madeira is not so hard to 716 00:50:08,696 --> 00:50:13,256 find so you just go into an airplane and get started but online presence tell me 717 00:50:13,256 --> 00:50:21,596 how people can reach out yeah you can have a look on our website it's www.people4people.net 718 00:50:21,596 --> 00:50:26,756 or you can go on Instagram it's people4peopleofficial there you can find 719 00:50:26,756 --> 00:50:31,916 all our projects you can find our vision mission and you can be a supporter and 720 00:50:31,916 --> 00:50:38,236 supporter means that you can make a donation every month for minimum 20 euros and then you are in the 721 00:50:38,236 --> 00:50:44,796 intern membership um there we have special things uh for our members for our supporters we have some 722 00:50:44,796 --> 00:50:51,596 education staff there like financial education for adults and you were part two of that for 723 00:50:51,596 --> 00:50:58,556 adults and for the kids too for the teenagers and we had a lot of other videos workshops there 724 00:50:58,556 --> 00:51:01,076 So now I'm creating a workshop. It's eight parts. 725 00:51:01,656 --> 00:51:02,996 The theme is unschooling. 726 00:51:02,996 --> 00:51:08,836 So all the things and what is important to know what is unschooling on a real way. 727 00:51:09,296 --> 00:51:11,156 So that's something you can find there. 728 00:51:11,276 --> 00:51:21,836 Other guys who make some workshops through all the important themes we need for our life, you know, that we can live on a free way. 729 00:51:22,076 --> 00:51:26,696 You have some things for taxes, for going out from Germany and something like that. 730 00:51:26,696 --> 00:51:33,596 yeah we have the best of the best inside and yeah you can be a part of it you can find everything on 731 00:51:33,596 --> 00:51:39,116 the website it's really easy to go there you can be a supporter online and we have a newsletter 732 00:51:39,116 --> 00:51:46,336 there you can make abenoment doesn't cost you any money so be a part of it join via newsletter or 733 00:51:46,336 --> 00:51:52,976 be a part of the community and change the world with us together or grow a special place in 734 00:51:52,976 --> 00:51:57,956 Mexico or in Portugal or in Germany, wherever he wants to do something, 735 00:51:58,076 --> 00:51:59,976 we will be there. Yeah. And that's it. 736 00:52:00,536 --> 00:52:04,016 So nice. I will put the links in the podcast description, of course. 737 00:52:04,136 --> 00:52:06,736 Yeah. So one click, you will be there. Jackie, 738 00:52:06,736 --> 00:52:09,036 thank you so much for sharing all of that, 739 00:52:09,116 --> 00:52:11,496 what you've been sharing because I think, yeah, 740 00:52:11,516 --> 00:52:15,096 it's not easy to go out there and to speak about these things sometimes. 741 00:52:16,276 --> 00:52:18,976 I think it's, it's really awesome what you're building there. 742 00:52:19,196 --> 00:52:21,756 And I really feel like you're such a powerful leader. 743 00:52:21,756 --> 00:52:25,596 It's so nice to listen to you, to your thoughts, how you're doing these processes. 744 00:52:26,116 --> 00:52:28,496 And I really think this is just genius. 745 00:52:28,756 --> 00:52:34,696 You're bringing together your skills and the needs of what we really need as human beings. 746 00:52:34,896 --> 00:52:35,756 I think it's lovely. 747 00:52:35,856 --> 00:52:39,656 I'm a huge fan of your work and I'm so, so happy that you've been to this podcast, really. 748 00:52:40,056 --> 00:52:43,036 I hope you come back one day and we talk some more. 749 00:52:43,236 --> 00:52:43,776 It's up to you. 750 00:52:43,876 --> 00:52:45,396 If you invite me, I will be there for sure. 751 00:52:46,296 --> 00:52:47,296 Thank you so much. 752 00:52:48,736 --> 00:52:50,176 Thank you so much for listening. 753 00:52:51,756 --> 00:52:57,676 thank you so much for listening if you want to support my work please head over to fountain or 754 00:52:57,676 --> 00:53:04,996 linktree i do accept bitcoin and it means the world to me if you guys support my work and leave 755 00:53:04,996 --> 00:53:11,736 a comment reach out to me on roster i'm really happy to hear from you thank you so much and if 756 00:53:11,736 --> 00:53:17,116 you want to have more of wildlife unschooling head over to fountain there's a wildlife unschooling 757 00:53:17,116 --> 00:53:21,996 premium it starts with five dollar a month and you can pay more if you want and you can pay in 758 00:53:21,996 --> 00:53:28,956 bitcoin there you will find all bonus episodes and you will have early access to all my scheduled 759 00:53:28,956 --> 00:53:32,296 episodes have fun and see you soon