This is a world life I'm schooling with my mom.
You know what I think is funny?
That already, I don't know, I think two of your team members were already on my podcast.
So I feel like I know your team.
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm a bit sick.
I feel I get to know your team from different perspectives, your workplace.
And it's nice to see because all of you have been just incredible, interesting human beings.
It's not even an understanding statement.
It's crazy.
First, I think I met Tony.
And I don't know who the other guy is, but I think he's from the UK or something.
And he was such a...
Rick.
He was such a great dude.
And now that I get to know you a little bit, I think like, wow, dude, you assembled a team over there.
Incredible.
Okay.
But I'm sorry.
Yes, today here with Michael Jordan, The Bitcoin Way.
I'm personally, that's not secret, a huge fan of your company
because I think you are really doing something that we all need at some point.
We need cybersecurity.
We need to know how we save our Bitcoins properly and all these things.
And you combine this into something like,
I like to call it the one-stop shop for sovereignty
because I think it is just nice.
You gather the right directions into one point.
And so I love what you guys are doing.
And I think we want to talk a bit about not only why you're in Bitcoin
and what exactly you are doing over there,
but also why homeschooling just makes sense and how to combine these topics,
how everything we are doing in our daily life should be looked upon
with a lot of curiosity for why are we doing it that way
and why don't we permit more freedom in our lives?
So I think you guys are all on this path to maximum freedom.
This is why I love the Bitcoin way.
And I'm super happy that you're here with me, Michael, because I think you have a lot to share when it comes to homeschooling Bitcoin and the combination of the both things.
I appreciate that.
Thank you so much for having me.
Yeah, I'm excited.
It's been a journey the last few years for me.
So I don't even know where to begin.
So you tell me what you want to know about first.
But it all probably started with Bitcoin for what it's worth.
That's nice.
Yeah, my first question would have been anyway, how did you fall into that Bitcoin rabbit hole?
Because I think every Bitcoiner has a very individual story and it tells a lot from where you're coming from to where you're going.
And I think it's incredible.
I think you discovered Bitcoin a couple of years ago and you're already so deep into it.
So you've been falling pretty fast into that hole.
Yes.
Yeah.
So I found Bitcoin in, I guess it would have been early, mid 2023.
So in 2022, I set a goal.
I'm going to learn about this whole crypto space and I'm going to study blockchain and NFTs and all
the buzzwords. And I was fortunate to meet a guy who set me down a slightly better path. So I was
still studying all of the crypto nonsense, but had recommendations for Preston Pish's podcasts,
Bitcoin Fundamentals. And he told me to follow Lynn Alden, get on Twitter. I hadn't really done
social media much prior. And I did. And so when everything started collapsing in 20, or I guess,
no, I'm sorry, this was 2022. When everything started collapsing in 2022, I recognized very
quickly, oh, the Bitcoin maxis, like the Bitcoin, not crypto crowd, have been right about everything.
They understood fundamentally how these things work. And so maybe that's the signal and the rest
of this stuff is noise. And so at least by halfway through the year in 2022, I remember being at a
wedding and trying to orange bill someone and telling them, you know, Bitcoin only and why I
thought it was so important. And that conversation came full circle just a week or so ago. I was
talking to him again because someone I don't see often. It's my wife's cousin who lives far away
from us. And I think I might have delivered the final orange bill this time around. So hopefully,
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. But yeah, it was pretty quickly though. I'm a curious guy.
And I started to recognize all of these other rabbit holes you could go down. I heard
Bitcoiners talking about seed oils and homeschooling and libertarian and Austrian economic ideas and philosophies.
And so I just started going down these rabbit holes.
None of them as deep as I would like to at this point.
I've got three young kids, so the time I get to allocate to reading and listening to podcasts is less than I prefer.
But I need to prioritize family over my own personal educational journey.
That is pretty impressive.
I like it a lot because I think you approach that whole area in the unschooling way because you're just doing whatever you feel like is the next step in discovering what there is to discover.
And I really need to say, I think I discovered Bitcoin in 2015.
And I'm a girl, I'm a woman.
And I, of course, did not know anything about finance.
Like in school, my parents, nobody cared about these kind of things.
And when I discovered different, I finally had the feeling like, okay, now I started to understand finance and why the world is how it is.
Because before I had like this feeling, okay, there's a lot of stuff going wrong.
But in the end, what I discovered then was, okay, so if we follow the finance and if we really understand how this is built, it makes sense that everything is just run down and not working because it is supposed to be working like that.
That is the crazy part in it.
and I got pregnant I think maybe five years later no that is bullshit five years earlier oh my god
and that thing changed my mind because I didn't want my son to go to school and when I had this
Bitcoin knowledge and like my connection to okay I need to follow the money why is this topic being
taught the way it's taught in school and so on and so on that led me to a huge rabbit hole and
I'm a teacher. I didn't know shit about the other side of the story.
And that was very interesting because to see who's really funding
the whole school system, who's funding which university and why,
what is being taught, where and why the way it is,
it was incredible to see. And since that, I was not only like, normally, it's like,
yeah, I have a feeling my son doesn't want to go to school. But then I had like, no, no,
he's not allowed to go there because what the fuck is going on? Like, I have to shield him
from that bullshit when I realized like all the time I was right and I was in private school I was
really like in a really good school if you like to see it from this normal people view and still
such a fuck up it's unbelievable like all the false information you have to get rid of before
you can really enter the realm of the truth what is going on out there it's incredible I don't know
how this went for you to realize, okay, the school educational rabbit hole is like crazy.
Yeah, I think there are layers to just how bad the education system is. There is like the obvious
extreme indoctrination stuff where things are getting woke. And I think a lot of parents just,
I think there are a lot of parents who that's where they stop. They just, they don't want,
you know, someone like the gender ideology. They disagree with certain things that are,
you know, being discussed or books that their kids might be exposed to. To me, that's the least
to my concern, honestly, because it is so, to me, that's a relatively easy thing as parents to
overcome. Like, we don't do that. We don't believe that. You know, whatever. What's much harder is
the fact that, and I think this is what the other two layers are, they're teaching inaccurate
information and they're teaching stuff that doesn't matter anyway, even if they were telling
you the truth. Like they're teaching irrelevant information to producing productive adults.
And those two, for the longest time, like early on when we kind of started on this homeschool
journey with our daughter who's now the equivalent of like a first grader uh it was you know for me
it was hey we need i want her to learn the things that i think she needs to be learning and she's
not going to get that in school and they're going to waste seven hours of her day five days a week
um you know for however many weeks a year just to teach her stuff that i think is irrelevant now
the further into the rabbit holes that i've gone down i i get i i step back and i assess it's not
only that they're teaching this unimportant information they're teaching demonstrable lies
and i now what i want to do for my kids is i there are some things that i that are just so evidently
a lie that i'll just teach them what i you know i'll teach them the truth there's some things that
are controversial though and i've come to a very different conclusion than what you know a teacher
might be you know explaining to their students about history for example is a very obvious one
and I'm going to present both sides to my kids. And I'm going to say, look, here's the conclusion
I've come to based on this evidence. Here's what all of your peers in school are being taught right
now. It's completely contrary to what I think happens to be the case. But let's watch a
documentary on both sides. Let's read a book from multiple perspectives. And we're at an age with
our kids currently, my oldest is seven. We haven't gone down, we haven't gone deep into history.
like she's, she's like, you know, reading, writing, uh, you know, math, those sorts of things.
Like she needs to get those building blocks in place. But as she's progressed on that,
it gives me the opportunity to put different books into her hand. Like we, we, we love the
Tuttle twins. Um, if you're familiar with them and, um, things that I would have never had access
to in my, it would have never even crossed my parents' mind to, you know, to, uh, expose me to.
So it's, uh, I, I, my thoughts, I probably sound all over the place here. I think I'm beginning to
get better clarity as to what I want the progression of education to look like for my kids each day is
the more I think about this. That's interesting. Yeah, I had the same topic, especially with the
history classes, because me as a German, of course, I was taught about Hitler, the Third Reich, and
what happened in the Holocaust with all the Jews. And yeah, so a couple of years later, I'm doing my
own research and turns out there's another side of the story. And so I had the same thing I was
teaching my son because he was very interested in the history of the German people. I taught him
like, okay, look, this is what I found out. This is what your family believes in. And most people
in Germany, if you say it like how we do see things at home, it might lead me to go to jail
because you cannot say these things in Germany. So I think there's a huge gap in between. Yeah,
not only learning bullshit but having to de-learn all that to fill your brain up again with
things you can actually use for your life. I think for me the main killer was really abuse in school
and nobody's really talking about it I have the feeling. I mean there's emotional abuse, there's
physical abuse, there's psychological abuse, there are so many layers of abuse happening over there.
Just this thing you have to go there without your parents. Is that normal for a young human being?
I don't think so. Then the question, who are these teachers and these kids? I mean, we don't know any
of these people really. And they have such an influence on our kids the whole day they ask them.
So I think this whole disconnect and this, they have to sit still, they have to be in this box
all day long. I don't know, this is so far away from human nature and what kids in these ages
really need. For me, it's just this feeling of okay, I don't really care about what they teach
them but really making them like this retarded end products that are not capable of thinking for
themselves anymore that is just that's wild and i really think this world is not going to change
if everyone is pressed into this shape of this is how obedient workers should be like i think it's
a crazy idea to want to change something in this world and then send your kids to school so that's
not going to change anything i guess so we are just repeating it it's a bit like want to fix the
the metric system i think it's beyond we don't have to fix it we can just build something else
this is why i like to compare like this decentralized money and decentralized education
you just step out and you do something completely different i think that's beautiful yeah the the
only rules are really the rules we write for ourselves in in many cases and you know we like
my wife has gone through i mean because we've we've been homeschooling my oldest for two years
now and it's been um like a learning curve for my wife trying to figure out hey what's the best way
like she wasn't homeschooled I wasn't homeschooled we didn't really have any
foundation for here's the way we should approach this and so I anticipate each
year will continue to evolve where but but I think that the biggest like mindset
shift that people need to have is that you have the option to adapt and change
and like the only the only mistake you can make I think is not homeschooling
if that is an option that's available to you and whether that's you know I know
like Daniel Prince who I think you might know he's like he hates the term
homeschool for me for me and i and i understand that for me it's just a convenient term to use
because we're not doing like formal unschooling or formal like anything in particular probably
right now because our kids are at an age where we we need them to learn you know reading writing like
the basics so they can set themselves up to then learn other way other things in other ways i i
listen to if you haven't had um there's someone you should have on your podcast um actually i'm
I'm blanking on the name of the gentleman who I actually have joined in ours next month.
The author of this book, his name is Doug Casey, and the world's most interesting man.
I had a friend send me he was on Ron Paul's podcast, I think fairly recently.
And his co whose name I blanking on here they put together a curriculum an alternative to college Specifically they sort of market it as for young men but it this it this sort of evolutionary process where you you do segments of learning you have like an anchor
course so you uh one sec one segment of four months is like on fighting and so you go learn
brazilian jiu-jitsu and in brazil or you go learn wi-tai in thailand and alongside of that you're
reading historical books related to that culture that language or whatever and at the end of four
years they basically defined it as like instead of college go do this you're a certified emt you can
fly a plane you can fight you can cook you can do all and you've been simultaneously experiencing
different cultures learning different languages reading books you know of relation to in listening
to different podcasts and taking online courses that all relate to this thing and so you get to
the end of four months and you already know more about a lot more things than anyone spending four
years at a university ever would. And so I've, what I'm doing now is the way I'm thinking about
this is, okay, how do I, I love that concept. Like you, you finish four years of what you would
have otherwise wasted in college and you're, you're a competent adult with a lot of cool
experiences and a resume that most people don't accomplish in their entire life. How do I bring
that back in time to having young kids? How do I begin to build that sort of curriculum, so to speak,
for my five-year-old boy and my seven-year-old daughter and have them learn skills and useful
information? And how do I incorporate some of those principles into a curriculum for much
younger kids? And I don't have a perfect answer yet, but that's the trajectory I'm on. And certainly
as my son gets a little bit further into this and he gets the basics down, my intention is to step
in and support him and allow my wife to spend more of her time with the girls where I think
I think he should be learning from a man as much as possible.
And to the best of our ability, my daughter should be learning from their mom.
And we'll see where we end up.
I mean, maybe we report back five years from now or something.
But it's certainly a much more exciting way of thinking about how we want to raise our kids.
That is so true.
I really think this sounds like a very sophisticated approach to learning how I see world schooling a little bit into that direction.
because this is what we used to do in the beginning of our unschooling journey,
then Corona, lockdowns, blah, blah.
And then we started to have these journeys.
And I think our last trip, we went to Egypt.
And I think my son learned a little bit of Arabic.
That was nice because I speak Arabic.
And then now we have a shared language.
That is awesome.
He's adapting really fast.
And he learned how to ride a motorcycle.
He learned about how to cook.
He was cooking with the Bedouins in the desert,
how to navigate and different water qualities and different kind of washes like salt water,
very sweet water, life water and all these different things. So what I thought after this
couple of weeks in Egypt, I mean, of course, we saw the pyramids and the temples and we learned
about history and real history and fake history, of course, all these things. But I think the best
part for me was he learned how to ride a motorcycle. This is insane. He's 12 years old.
And it changed him like a person. He's now like a little grown adult. And I can send him to
get milk or anything with a motorcycle without any kind of worry in my head that is just insane
to me because you mentioned learning how to fly a plane and these kind of things so this is my
approach as well to have different angles to see life from like like uh yeah like it's a puzzle
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more or less. So you have all these different views from all these different angles from all
the different countries and regions and people. You learn not only about the culture and religion,
but you learn so much about yourself. And I think this is really missing in school,
because I knew nothing about myself when I finished school. And I went to school for a
fucking long time in my life. I came out there, I was like, dude, who am I even? I have no clue,
what am I doing with my life? And my parents thought I was crazy. I think that's just normal,
If you ask these questions, like, what am I here for?
Dude, what the fuck?
I'm here?
What am I doing here?
It's insane.
And I think kids who grow up in this kind of mindset of getting to know the world while
getting to know themselves, because they are really in that experience.
Incredible.
Because I know a lot of unschooled kids that are now grown up and they don't have this
question.
Who am I?
They're just following their path and their passions, you know?
So when I saw this, I was like, dude, I really need that for my child.
I don't want him to stand there with like 20 years.
Like, who am I?
Fuck, 20 years.
lost i really want him to use his life for something that makes sense to him especially
to him and not to others so i think this is the original people kids are so capable and we wait
until they're 18 to start teaching them anything quote unquote useful and the reality is you know
i mean i'm planning to start in brazilian jiu-jitsu like this is stuff i didn't grow up doing so my
plan is just to go do these things with my son and like we'll learn them together and it'll be a
we'll have a blast and uh like he's gonna start taking i don't even know if he knows this yet like
next year he's gonna start taking brazilian jiu-jitsu and um the i think the thing i'd be
curious to hear your opinion on this because there's the the one thing i think i sometimes
disagree with the homeschooling unschooling sort of crowd on is many are like hey let your kids
just decide everything and you know they're gonna study for an hour a day and then they're gonna go
go be kids and play. And I think at a young age, I think there's validity to that. However, I have
non-negotiables though. And this may seem like a silly non-negotiable for many people, but
each of my kids, they get to choose if they're going to take piano or guitar lessons. And they
will do that until the day they leave my house because I've never met anyone who regretted
knowing how to play an instrument, especially a boy because girls love it. And so when my son is
18, he needs to be really good at the piano or the guitar. And like, that's, that's a useful life
skill, something you can do for forever. You know, and so I have things that I'm going to impose upon
them. And then I think there's also a lot of room for flexibility and creativity and figuring out
what it is that interests them. But I also think kids are naturally curious. And so when you just
expose them to different things, that you might have someone who just latches onto a particular
subject, but you might have a kid who's just like always ready for the next adventure. And I don't
want to force them down some narrow path just because one time they expressed interest in that
because the world is a big place. There are a lot of languages, a lot of cultures, a lot of skills
you can learn. And you have 18 years before you leave the house. Why not just do it all?
Go experience some things. There's no reason you should turn 18. And the only thing that you ever
did was, you know, oh, I loved computer science. Like, that's great. If you love computer science,
go, you know, tinker, play with that, have fun, learn as much as you can. But you're a one trick
pony. If that's the only thing you ever did, you should, you know, there's no reason you shouldn't
also be able to cook. And you also should know how to ride a motorcycle and you should know how
to fly a plane or like whatever the things are, just present those opportunities. I think kids
latch onto them. Yeah, no, I have the same. I have a couple of non-negotiables in my house
might be different from yours. So mine is definitely how to care for animals and how to approach
like animals from the wild and how to stay safe. But this is just a result of where we live and
where we travel. So that's an interesting one. And I do have a survival and meditation
spleen, so to say. So we meditate every fucking day. There's no day we don't do it. I mean,
And if you're super sick in bed, you maybe skip that.
But I taught him how to meditate from a very young age.
And that is just what is going to happen in my household.
That is what it is.
I'm sorry, but that is what is happening every day.
And the other one, survival, I think that makes sense because if you travel a lot and
you have the option to see a lot of different types of environments, you really learn quickly
how to get clean water and how to build a shelter and how to approach different kind
of catastrophes like natural disasters, because we have been in two wildfires and the volcano
explosion and a lot of different other things. Because if you live in the wilderness,
there are things happening and you have to know how to act in the situation. And I think the
combination of survival and meditation makes it quite easy for my son to stay calm. Then from all
the experience he gained to decide, okay, the fire is coming from that direction. Wind is coming from
where is water, where can we go, where are streets, where will the people go, and these kind of things.
So this was very important to me because I've seen so many people, including my neighbor, and she
was 10 years older than me that moment. We saw the fire coming closer to the house, like downhill,
and she was like trying to get her car, like the battery wasn't working, and we were already done
with packing the car in like 7.5 minutes because we have this drill, so we could help other people.
that was nice we took a rabbit from our other neighbor and we took this and that we helped her
with this battery problem and my son was fucking calm he wasn't afraid of the fire he wasn't in any
kind of survival panic mode it was more like proactive survival okay let's do this and that
and i think teaching your kids also about bitcoin and these kind of things it's always don't rely
on somebody else if there's like a natural disaster go act go act and help others i really want my son
to be out there and be helpful to others and not be a liability or the next stupid NPC standing in
the way. I really want him to be someone you can trust in keeping people safe and these kind of
things. Because what I learned, a lot of men I met are so fucking stupid. And this is what they're
supposed to do. Keep me safe. So I'm like, okay, this is what my boy has to learn. He has no father.
I'm sorry. So I have to teach him both sides. But this is how I do. We go out there, survival stuff.
and i think that's great i i think that's yeah because in in the the skills that each each skill
that you add to their stack increases their confidence and makes them more competent in
each of the skills that they've learned because when you if you just do a quick survival training
course and you know and then you're thrown into a wildfire you're probably not gonna like you've
only learned it on paper but then if you if you go camping and if you have to go find fresh water
for the first time. And like all of those things build those skills. I think that's the importance
of, I want to give my kids experiences, but I want to immerse them in those experiences such that they,
they leave the experience with actual skills, with confidence that they could execute on those
skills in, you know, at a moment's notice. And that's a lot harder thing to do. You have to be
very thoughtful about how you approach those experiences to make sure that they're, that it's,
it's becoming a part of them and it's not just oh we we did this you know one hour seminar class
on a particular subject like they're going to forget that an hour later you need to you need
to build on those skills and give them an opportunity to use them that's so true i really
think that is how things should be taught because i had the same feeling you leave school and i
studied additionally for 10 years i wasn't able to do any kind of job and i after like 13 years
of school 10 years of university i had the expectation now i'm ready to work and then i
looked at different jobs i was like dude i don't know any of this how can i right well how will i
survive i didn't know anything i didn't know how to to rent an apartment how to do my taxes i mean
this is good that i didn't know it because that's kept me from doing it actually and searching for
alternatives but like these everyday life things and i think what i see the world is getting more
more chaotic and more crazy by the minute.
Why do so many kids have no clue about what is going on?
I mean, you can see it from different angles.
For some, it's a spiritual war.
For some, it's economical, blah, blah, blah.
But let's just keep it how it is.
It's fucking chaotic out there and it's getting worse
and more interesting and maybe better.
We don't know.
But having them ready to approach that chaos,
I think for me that keeps me sane that I know.
My kid knows everything is crazy out there.
So that's good.
That's a good start.
Oh, completely. And I think what we're talking about, too, is there are a lot of you can find who knows how many articles or, you know, pundits talking about, hey, in a world of AI, what skills should your kids have?
And maybe there's good guidance, but they're all speculating. I think that you should think about that sort of thing. Like in 20 years, what skills do my kids need to have? But you're still sort of guessing.
And so in the absence of a perfect answer, while you build toward identifying useful skills of the future, just make them competent.
Help them to learn any number of things.
Like they should, I think a kid should get out of what has traditionally been like college.
And they should have five or ten or more jobs that they could go take and do well because they have the skills to do it the fact that we spent four years teaching one skill at university and you get out and you still don really know much
about it is insane. You have 18 to 22 years, say, for them to learn 10 skills, 15 skills and be
really good at it. Like there's a lot of time in a day. And so while like right now my wife spends,
you know, 60, maybe 90 minutes a day with my daughter, you know, doing, there's a lot of
stuff we do outside of that, right? With like her, we've got like a little homeschool community and
they do field trips and, you know, different events and things like that. But at a certain age,
my hope is that our kids are investing, you know, several hours every single day in very,
I guess, sort of dedicated educational environments, because I want them to learn that,
you know, the yes, childhood should be about playing and exploring. There's lots of time for
that though. It should also be an opportunity for you to begin learning, to sit down and focus on a
task and to test, screw up, fail, and then try again and get a little bit better. And then, you
know, you keep doing those things. And so I have a feeling as our kids get a little bit older,
the amount of time that we want them dedicated to learning in whatever capacity, it's going to be
fun. Like it's going to be awesome, but it's going to be more and more because I don't want to have a
kid who thinks that his whole his whole existence is oh I just you know study with mom for an hour
and then I do whatever I want like I think kids probably need more structure than that but they
don't need seven hours in a blue lit room with a bunch of other kids who don't know anything about
what's going on in the world with a teacher who you probably shouldn't trust to educate your child
it's like finding this balance of devoting the right amount of time to formal education even if
by formal I mean it could be a number of you know very fun experiences with you know letting your kid
be a kid and just explore and use their imagination and find things to do on their own. So it's a
process. There's no silver bullet. That's true. You know what I was thinking about? We spend a
little time with the tribe in the jungle, and I've seen these kids very occupied all the time. Of
course, there was boredom, but that was quite a healthy boredom. It isn't this boredom you sit at
home in your box, in your home box, and that is it. But everyone was so connected in that
community that is the first huge difference that I see from our lives and from their lives
so everyone was so connected there was like not this this huge gap between these are kids and
these are adults that was somehow different they were just all human beings in different kind of
ages and they had stuff to do they weren't just sitting around and doing whatever the fuck they
wanted no not at all they had a lot of free time but in this flow of living there were like things
they had to do. They had, all of them had a task to do. And so I really think that it's super
important to teach them that life is more than this fun part that we maybe missed out completely
because we went to school too much. But having the balance of this is, you need to brush your teeth.
That is, you have to do things. It is what it is. This comes with existing on this planet.
You have to keep things clean. You have to care about, you have to overcome yourself every day
a little more. So I think, yeah, this is the nice balance between giving them a real childhood and
giving them also already the taste of life is fucking hard you have to you have to walk in your
own way with your own motivation through things and there is an outcome at the end whatever it
may look like and I think in school this comparison of skills or skill sets that is so crazy to me
because in normal everyday life me and you we wouldn't sit together and compare our you know
oh you look at that how did I do that and how did you do this and I think that is so unnatural to me
this comparison and it rules somehow the connection between human beings in this I see this huge
disconnect on our planet really and homeschooling gives us back the opportunity to connect with our
kids to stay connected and not to give that connection up to a very artificial institute
that is yeah I don't know caring or not caring for our kids however this is like so I think what
you are doing having all your two million kids at home being homeschooled and having a homeschooling
community. I think that's very necessary in these times to have back that community feeling,
that thought of connection, because how many people are just fucking sick because they are
disconnected from everything, basically. That's crazy. I cannot imagine.
Yeah, it makes no sense, but you have to, and maybe this is where I can kind of
tie a bow on the conversation for you, is what you're saying makes a lot of sense to you and I.
And I think, yeah, I think there are a lot of people who would hear this and they'd be like, I just don't, I don't get it.
For me, what I would say not to make this more about Bitcoin than necessary, but I was able to go down this rabbit hole.
And for everything you've said, it just makes sense because I began to unpack why everything seems to be breaking.
And it's not just education.
I mean, that is obvious and easy example, but it's, it's healthcare.
Why is everyone sick, fat?
it's at least in the U S like health insurance, like costs are like doubling over the next year.
Like why is that? Like, I'm not twice, I'm not two times the expense to the healthcare system
that I was before it's it's media. They're, they're lying. We're addicted. You know, like
it's it's the entertainment industry. I mean, it's architecture. Like our buildings are uglier.
Our art is worse, right? Like, I mean, you used to have Michelangelo and now you've got, you know,
people splattering paint on a canvas and calling it art and selling it for a million dollars. Like,
why is that? And it's all downstream of the money. If you follow the incentives of what
easily printable money does to society and does to the people who have access to that capital first,
it all becomes very obvious. And it's the reason we've been lied to about any number of world wars.
It's the reason we've been lied to about what's happening right before our eyes.
So for anyone who's listening, who is down the unschooling, homeschooling, rabbit hole,
awesome. That's a great start. But you probably have like five or 10 more rabbit holes that you
need to go down and you don't even know what they are necessarily. I would tell you to start with
the money, start with figuring out how does money work? What is money? And read the Bitcoin standard,
read the fiat standard, both by safe hitting a moose. And your eyes are going to be open to this
and you're not going to have all the answers at first. And none of us have all the answers, but
you're going to start knowing what you need to be paying attention for. And pretty quickly,
you're going to be the parent who isn't vaccinating your kids is only buying local, you know, grass
fed grass finished beef is canceling your health insurance is homeschooling your kids, you know,
growing your own crops, like you're going to begin to realize that those are the those are the logical
conclusions to the broken money of the world. And I sound like a crazy person saying that until
you go do the research on your own and start digging a little bit deeper. So that would be
my encouragement to anyone, anyone listening is start with the money because everything
else begins to make sense.
That is, I really like that.
You know what I did?
I think three, four months ago, I finally put up like a official, I don't know what it
is.
I forgot the term in English, like a guide, my last will, what is happening with my kid
if I die tomorrow, who's going to take care?
And he's, of course, he's not going to school.
He's not vaccinated.
He's not this, he's not that.
and I picked up my cousin who was really happy to receive that gift of maybe having a child without
having it because I die in a tragic accident and he was like Alex you know the first thing we do is
we vaccinate him against every disease that is crawling upon this planet I was like dude he will
be retarded I mean that is on you then and we will see I mean I'm in heaven then and I will see
the huge difference it takes on life because this is really I don't know one of my biggest concerns
was maybe they they put him in school or they vaccinate him what the hell but in the end what
am i going to do this is the first i don't know the my my favorite human being in my family is
my cousin so i was like he has the biggest heart maybe he's not vaccinating him school okay i can
live with that but vaccinating wow maybe not the thing is what you're going to do though is you're
going to raise a a kid who is smart and critically and is capable of rejecting i hope so you know
Like he's maybe not quite to that age, but he's close to the age where he will opt out on his own because you've given him the confidence and the skill set to think in such a way as to make those decisions.
And I think that's the gift I want to give my kids is not that dad has all the answers or not that I'm right about everything.
If anything, I've learned all I've done my whole life has been wrong about everything.
So it's not it's not that I think I have all the answers.
It's that I want them to be able to step back.
And regardless of what dad thinks, regardless of what mom thinks or what and certainly regardless of what all the dumb kids of their age think, to make a decision as logically, practically as they possibly can.
And to your point, to do it with a big heart, you know, to to do it in the interest of caring for the people around them, the people they love.
and I think, God willing, I'll have enough time on this earth
to get my kids to that age of their lives that they can do that
and if something tragic happens to me, I don't have to, there's no worry
that I left them prepared. True. That is nice, really.
You know what, I think that a lot of parents who are interested in homeschooling or
unschooling or whatever we want to call it, they have this fear of they need to know
what they are doing, but I think the real art is to realize
we don't have no fucking clue what we are doing.
And this is the beautiful thing,
because before we were told, this is what you do.
And we are so used to that.
Like there is someone telling us what to do
and how things should look like,
but taking away this,
it gives you a lot of responsibility and so much freedom
and living in this unknown every day
and to be able to change the topics
your kids are learning,
to change the whole approach if necessary,
if you feel like that.
I think this freedom makes so many parents so afraid
that they don't even start to homeschool.
And this is what I've seen in a lot of families,
that at least one parent is so afraid
that they are just not doing it.
And I do see that this might be scary
to be in the position of needing to tell your kids,
like, I don't have no clue.
I mean, I'm doing this for the first time as well.
But I think it's honest and transparent.
I really like that approach, to be honest.
Because to be real, what do we know?
Yeah, a lot less than we like to think.
But if but if a public school teacher can stand up and so confidently misinform kids because they think it's the truth, then you can confidently as a parent say, I don't have all the answers.
Let's look at what like let's look at both sides of the story.
Let's look at, you know, the objective facts we have before us.
And let's look at the incentives like this is why the money matters so much.
Like, what are the incentives to push this policy or that policy or.
And again, it doesn't have to be about finding the right answer.
I think you stumble across right answers along the way from time to time.
But the more important thing is that you can be very confident as a parent that you have
the best interest of your children at heart and you're not going to knowingly lie to them.
Yes.
The average teacher is knowingly or unknowingly lying to the kids that they've been trusted
with every single day.
And I would say most of them unknowingly.
Like I give them the benefit of the doubt.
They just, they're taught this is what happened in World War II and that's what they spew.
and it's not necessarily their fault.
It would be helpful though
if maybe they were a little more curious
and they ask some questions,
but they're not going to
because it's not their kid.
You are the only,
I'm the only human being on earth
that wants my son to be better than me.
Every other human being on earth,
maybe they care about my son
and they say, oh, I hope he does well.
I'm the only one who wants my son
to be better than me.
And that alone should give any,
And that's true for any good parent.
That alone should give them the confidence they need to say, I'm the only person who's
going to operate in his optimal interest.
So let's just do this thing.
It's not going to be perfect.
We're going to make changes along the way.
I'm going to mess up.
I'm going to be wrong about something.
Who cares?
It doesn't matter.
Yeah.
And you know what?
I had two teachers that were child molesters.
And I think like, wow, if this is happening over there, it's much safer at home.
I'm a much better human being than these people.
so this is the baseline I'm operating on like dude these people fucked up I'm not able to fuck
up like that so I have a question what was your biggest um like struggle or challenge when you
started homeschooling what was your big fear maybe so to say I don't know that I had a big fear
because I sort of I was far enough along this uh this thought process that we've kind of gone
through um to where I was like I think anything I mean you could literally not even teach your
kids anything and it'd be better than sending them to school. So literally anything we do is
going to be better. My wife had a lot of concerns about her like competence, her ability to do this
because in her mind, she's like, oh, like at least when we send them to school, it's with someone
who's been trained to be a teacher. And I'm like, yeah, but the training was shit. Like we don't,
like the fact that you don't have all of this baggage to unwind from puts you in a better
position. And especially last year, her first year doing this, you know, it was kind of pulling teeth
with my daughter. My daughter's great, but she was like, she was unaccustomed to sitting down with
my wife for an hour hour and a half at a time and and learning So she get frustrated She a firstborn girl So it like she wants perfection She you know so there was like some frustration on her on her part as we went through this And then my wife was sort of reevaluating how we do this I can
I can't even think of the name of the sort of curriculum or the style of
teaching she's doing now. But she had this moment she told me about,
she was in her car listening to a podcast and of them explaining like why you
need to kind of let go of this, the conventional approach to homeschooling.
And she said, she started crying and it just like,
it suddenly like clicked for her and she, she didn't need to be perfect. She didn't need to
have a degree from a university, you know, ordaining her to be a teacher. Like she could
just do this and she could do it her way and our way, and it will get better and better over time.
So I think it's, I think it's a matter of just overcoming that initial, whatever that initial
fear is just saying, just understanding it doesn't matter. It's the fear is I guarantee you
unfounded, just get started and then just learn as you go. And the funny thing is that's exactly
what kids do yeah they they try to walk for the first time and they fall and they're worried that
they're gonna you know they're they're kind of tentative or and then like you know a few months
later they're walking like just do the same thing with homeschooling like that's that's just how we
learn we just you know we bump our heads we we fall down and we get up and we keep trying so it's
the same thing we just need to have the humility to be okay with that that is so true and you know
what i can say as a teacher i went through all this learning how to teach people things i don't
know how to teach anyone anything i was not prepared i mean i was prepared from the technical
point of view like how to teach the german language and as a german that is not really
a difficult part because you're already speaking that language and then you just open the book and
tell them to do page four to six that is what it is more you they didn't teach me and then they
were already sending me off to the students and i was like this is insane i have no clue how people
work like these are tiny human beings how am i supposed to handle them so i know that teachers
maybe i was just missing out in university i have no clue but i had no clue how to teach anyone
anything and this gave me a lot of confidence ironically to teach my son because i knew that
no matter what teacher i will be choosing they don't know shit and that's good because nobody
knows anything in this world and i think so so many people or a lot of parents i know they're
so focused on success and having these, yeah, successful things around you. Like this is,
I think, an image from indoctrination, to be honest, because I'm pretty much a minimalist.
I don't own a lot. I have one backpack and that is it. I have two dogs and a cat and
a kid and a mobile phone. That's it. And I really don't miss anything in my life. I don't
feel unsuccessful because they just have one backpack filled with a little crap. I don't
even need that thing. I mean, 90% of what I have in there, I never touch. That is incredible.
And other people are like hoarding so many things and calling it is success. And what
does success look like? I don't know. Because I think if we die, I don't know how much of
this fake success is really with us then. And this is we come on this planet, we are completely
alone, we go completely alone to the other side, wherever that leads us. And in between
is a lot of exciting things to do. I see it like that. I don't I mean, I heard nobody
telling me like you're going down there, you will have a great job and then you will pass
out and sleep forever. Like what the fuck? This is a very strange opinion about life.
I think a lot of homeschooling parents feel that one day that what the fuck is success?
I don't know what are we preparing each other for? That's just insane.
I think that's well said.
It's what you hit on earlier.
There's like this illusion of experts.
And that's not to say that all experts don't have, none of them have any knowledge.
But to assume that just because someone got a degree in teaching, they're somehow qualified to spend all day, every day, educating children.
And it's the same.
And again, there are well-meaning experts, like I think most teachers.
They care about their kids.
They think they're doing something good and important.
And I think you have just as many or more experts who are completely driven by financial incentives.
And it's the experts pushing the vaccines and it's the experts pushing sick care on our kids and pushing crappy foods and pushing.
I mean, how many experts are behind the addiction to social media that everyone has?
I mean, literally behavioral experts are the ones helping to build these algorithms.
Like they are hiring people to make this shit addictive.
like don't assume that just because someone's an expert they're what they have to say is useful
i guess and uh you know there's there's no one there's no one better equipped to educate your
kid than you true and i think this is a god-given right and responsibility that is the funniest part
because when i compare it to the tribes that live in nature they don't outsource their kids
no i mean they outsource it to their grandma to to someone else from the tribe but not to another
force that is coming in from somewhere else and pushing an agenda upon them. So what I learned
from them was really, this is your responsibility. It came from you, from your body. So take care of
it in every aspect. There is nobody better than you. Otherwise, someone else would have had that
kid, but you got it. They are all individuals. So I think maybe this is a little, I don't know,
hippie-dippie thinking. But in the end, I think I could have a different child,
completely different child. And but I don't. So maybe I have exactly that kid, because he needs
what I know, and how I treat him how I show him how the world is working. So I don't know, I have
the biggest conflict always with my parents, because they are so afraid of my lifestyle,
that when I talk to them after that, I'm afraid myself, I'm like, Oh, my God, what am I doing?
And then after a couple of breaths, like, Oh, my God, no, this is working fine for like 1520 years
now i don't have to be afraid of that but this is crazy because i know there are a lot of people
out there out there having the lack of community and this is why they are backing like yeah away
from options like homeschooling yeah what happened it was the community it it takes some courage to
do to do what you're doing and like i'm fortunate my my parents think it's cool that like my brother
he's he and his wife are homeschooling their kids my parents think it's it's awesome i think that
my entire if i have my way with how these homeschooling years look as my kids get a little
bit older to where we can kind of we've kind of gone beyond the basics i think i'm going to raise
some eyebrows even within my family because it's going to look um probably probably less nomadic
than your your lifestyle and your approach but it's going to be a lot more time like i mean i'm
going to teach my, I'm going to take my kid to the shooting range and teach him how to shoot.
Oh yes.
In a couple of years. And, um, like that's going to be, that to me is more valuable education than,
you know, I don't know, sitting around for another hour learning. Who knows? Who knows? I don't even
know what the, what the alternatives are, but real life skills, um, things that make you dangerous,
things that make you, uh, interesting, uh, things that push you build confidence. Like we're just
going to go out and just do it. And I'm going to be, especially with my son, I'm going to be
out of the house a lot with him, God willing. That's the only reason I care about Bitcoin
number go up and the price appreciating is to give me some more financial freedom
to work with us and invest more time with him. So it's going to be a wild ride and it's going
to be something that I think even the average homeschool family that we're in community with
is going to look at me and be like, what in the hell are you doing? It's going to be inconceivable
to them yeah i love that you know what in the morning i had like this urge of okay i need to
go out i don't know what i i need to do outside but i should get outside and walk around a little
bit so it was like i went to myself like i need to go out let's go shopping i need some things
and on the way to the um like little shop here we met a crazy woman we met her before and i didn't
get her number and there she was and she was like i've been waiting for you i was like oh my god i
knew it it's so crazy and we were sitting there and oh now I forgot ah and she looked me into the
eye and she was like dude you gotta stop working and you can if you're honest you can and I was
like what does she know I mean who is she even and I got up and we drank a coffee I got up we
we went to this grocery store and get our bananas and on the way home I was like dude I should
totally quit my job because I can I have bitcoin I live in a country where I can use bitcoin
however I want for any purposes.
It's so fucking easy.
I should just quit my job
and spend the next two or three years
just being a staying-at-home mom.
That is crazy.
That's insane.
That's a dream.
And of course, she was smoking Mariana,
so I had some.
And then I wasn't waking up like,
oh my God, best morning.
But I had the feeling like,
oh, I would love to smoke weed this morning,
but I'm not a person to smoke weed in the morning, you know?
And then she was sitting there with her coffee
and her little JJ.
And I was like, dude, this is awesome.
I need more of this.
doesn't doesn't happen to you if you bring your kid to school go back to your eight hour job and
these kind of things so that happened because we are really living in the flowing moment
so i think the same i love bitcoin to give me that opportunity to opt out whenever i feel like
i'm spending time with my kid that is incredible yeah i i think that is if it's financially
available to you because i think there are a lot of people who they haven't found bitcoin and we
were talking about this on our show this morning um if you run the numbers right now and like the
traditional approach of like saving and investing right now. If you say for 20 years, you earn 7%,
you pay 3% to inflation and 40% to taxes, which would be like a pretty traditional trajectory
here in the US. You're going to over 20 years, one and a half, you know, X what you made,
like that's not enough. Like you can't, you can't live a life of freedom and much less retire
doing that. And so you have to find what is the only option? What's the alternative?
and it's a Bitcoin.
Like it's, you know, unfortunately,
a lot of people are going to be starting out later than,
you know, others.
Like it sounds like you've, you've, you know,
accumulated that freedom over time.
People starting out today are going to have to wait a few years
for that freedom to, for the financial freedom
to be accessible to them.
But immediately, day one,
if you buy Bitcoin and you take self-custody,
you have another,
you have a kind of financial transactional freedom
that is not something anyone else has today.
You can't be censored. You don't need permission. You can't be stopped. You can carry it with you wherever you go. It's really the only form of money, like the type of life you describe that you have. Bitcoin is the only form of money that makes any sense for someone in your shoes.
That is so true.
It is beautiful.
And this is exactly I had a like a little presentation to homeschooling people about
Bitcoin.
And I exactly told them that I mean, you love your kids, you're already homeschooling, what
do you think Bitcoin can do for you, it's giving you much more time and freedom to do
exactly what you're already doing in much more peace and tranquility.
That is awesome.
So I think I robbed a lot of your time.
Sorry, but I have like so many more questions.
But it is what it is.
So maybe you can tell where if someone wants to follow up with your work and what you're doing in everyday life, where can they find you?
Yeah. First of all, thank you. We could have rambled. That was so much fun.
So, yeah, my name is Michael Jordan. I'm chief growth officer at the Bitcoin Way.
You can find me on X. I think I'm at the other M Jordan, not the Michael Jordan.
I'm a different Michael Jordan, obviously.
The Bitcoin Way, we're all about self-sovereignty.
So we can train you to take self-custody of your Bitcoin, lock down your devices, help you set up a privacy phone.
We have a plan B residency option in Panama.
So we got a lot of people in many sort of tyrannical jurisdictions looking for an opt out.
And we've got that.
So go to thebitcoinway.com.
You can schedule a free 30 minute consult with our team.
We'll talk you through whatever your area of interest is.
And I can just say, I mean, quick plug for the team.
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It's an incredible group.
So if you're looking for a life of self sovereignty, you got to check out the Bitcoin way.
Yes, I want to sign that statement because I really love your team.
Thank you.
Incredible people.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Thank you so much for the time today.
I had a blast.
Same.
Thank you so much.
And I will put all the links to what you mentioned in the podcast description.
So one click, everyone can see work.
Thank you so, so much for making time for this.
Really awesome.
Nice.
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