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This is wildlife with my mom! I mean, I'm German.

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This is wildlife with my mom!

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okay so let's try if it's laggy let me know we will turn off the video

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and if it's still laggy i will go to another room and see if the internet is better there

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okay nice nice let's start okay so i will introduce you quite briefly and then i will

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give you the room to tell more about your work and achievements and all these things

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is that okay okay sure were you able to watch the movie yes love it i have so many questions

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i really at the end the shiva lila thing that really blew my mind i love it so plenty of

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questions okay good really nice okay yes so very welcome today with me is jonathan bearman

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you are a filmmaker and you're just celebrating your 20th anniversary of your movie commune

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and we will talk a little bit about my favorite time today the 60s and yeah maybe you can tell us

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a little bit about how you ended up shooting this movie and how you ended up being a filmmaker and

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all of these? Sure. Yeah. Okay. Well, we were, as I grew up in suburban New York area. And so

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kind of too young to have been in the sixties, but definitely heard about the sixties from

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brothers and sisters and that kind of thing.

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And was going into Manhattan when I was 13 for the Marijuana Day Marches

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and all that in Washington Square Park and reading Abbie Hoffman

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and a lot of countercultural influences like Mad Magazine

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and all kinds of stuff like that.

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And playing music.

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I've always loved playing music.

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I play keyboards.

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so I play

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you know kind of jam band

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60s music

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we were making movies even back

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when we were like 13 or so

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we were shooting

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video, not video, film

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Super 8 film

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and it still looks beautiful

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Super 8 film

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and so the movie making thing had been in me

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for a long time

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and this project

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Yeah, this project came about, weirdly enough, I was working on developing a project about barbecue in the Carolinas, like barbecue pork.

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And, right, perfect logical way to start a film about kind of the ultimate 60s commune.

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And I was pitching it to a funder, philanthropist, because these documentaries do not fund themselves.

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and I know people think on the internet

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they're like hey I'm going to free this movie and put it up

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and it's like well what about all the people who worked on it for 10 years or 5 years

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or whatever. So I was pitching

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that movie and he was quick to say no that's not interesting to me and I said well it is

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interesting to you and he said he was interested in

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stuff that's off the grid. Societies and

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things that are and i was like me too so i went and i got on uh the old amazon.com which was newer

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back then and um and found this book that the people of black bear ranch wrote together about

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each person wrote one to like five pages something like that about growing up

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or growing up or moving to black bear ranch and i just found these people incredible because on the

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one hand it was like um this is not a spa so don't come up here with your dog because if it's a spa

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if you think it's a spa and you bring your dog we might eat your dog so they ate the cow let's

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talk about the cow story yeah and then and then but then a few chapters later someone else wrote

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you know having uh animals is speciesist you know we should free all the animals so i was like well

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this is great. I love the conflict and contradictions here. And it seemed like a very

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intriguing group of people. Not hippie, exactly.

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A little bit. I had the impression when I was very lucky, you sent me the movie. I think it

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reminded me a little bit of my parents. They had like a period where they were quite hitty-dippy

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and I felt like this was the vibe, you know, maybe not 100% hippie,

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but this off the grid thing, I loved it.

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So tell me a little bit more.

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How did it feel to work on that movie?

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Because you were so close to these people.

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Sometimes I do like little movies with my kids

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and it's super interesting to be behind the camera.

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I love that because what is going on?

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I mean, people just know maybe like 10% of what is happening

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throughout the whole time while shooting a movie.

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So tell me a bit more about how that felt.

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What was going on behind the scenes?

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You know, every movie is like opening up a new business, right?

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You're into this business, libertarian type thing.

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And each one has its own guidelines

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and kind of guides you where you should go.

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But really, for documentary, creative documentary,

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I'm not talking about the more educational ones,

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but the more creative ones,

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you make the film in the edit room.

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So we thought we had some good stuff,

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but then we had 100-plus hours of material.

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And so it's a miracle when it all comes together.

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That's all I can say.

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And having seen the film recently,

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I think it does hold up.

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I mean, it's a good story.

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and we didn't fuck it up.

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It is.

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I mean, and the thing is,

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yeah, thank you.

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And the thing is, there's like a million stories.

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There's people,

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there was one point we had one other person in the film

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and the film just couldn't hold another person

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and it didn't make sense.

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And we pulled her out, which we didn't want to do.

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It always seemed so precious.

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But there's that expression, kill your darlings.

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Nothing to do with your babies,

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but your material that you love so much,

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try to see what happens if you lose it.

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And so once we lost that character,

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it started taking shape.

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And the other thing that happened was Elsa Marley,

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who was one of the Black Bear founders, Elsa and Richard,

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she was like, you should call them,

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it's all very kind of synchronistic.

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It is in that way, very hippie.

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The whole synchronicity, Shambhala,

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it's meant to happen, kismet, you know?

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And she's like, there was this guy back then who was traveling around with a video camera.

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You should find him.

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It was like the earliest video camera called the Port-a-Pak.

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And he had shot this footage of them.

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And when we got it, I was really at first disappointed.

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Yeah, it was rotting away in a basement in Oregon, in the northwest of the United States.

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And we found the last machines that could transfer this ancient video format, you know, with the metal falling off.

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the things as they're transferring it and we looked at the footage we're like oh no there's

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only like 12 minutes of black bear ranch but um it turned out like those 12 minutes really made

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the difference because alex you get to see them when they're young and when they're older you know

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and so when you cut between those two it really you can focus your heart and your mind on uh

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on that person when they're young it's like if you see an old couple and they seem to like

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be in love I think they're seeing each other back when they were 20 in a way you know

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okay that's pretty cute so I think you got to know these people quite well while shooting that movie

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and there are so many different life stories inside of one movie it's incredible and what I

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really liked one at the beginning someone said being something else than consumers or employees

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i really felt that the whole movie was about liberating yourself and living exactly like the

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opposite of what is the normal way of living so you came very close to these people did it

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influence you in any way of how you looked at life maybe i mean it reinforced some of the stuff that

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I already kind of knew, but definitely made me reflect upon my social circles, you know.

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Having community, and these days, you know, they call it social media. We were talking about this

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the other day. They should call it anti-social media, you know. Everybody's all like in their

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own mind, in their own head, getting their deliveries and, you know, looking at their

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streams and you don't have to interact anymore and especially for generations that grew up with

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COVID and all that it's like wow it's hard for them so I think it really reinforced the importance

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of community for me yeah in spite of all the messiness you know yeah it seems like quite

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messy so I think what they were really trying to do is anarchism and yesterday I read something or

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maybe the day before i think that was really interesting because most of the people think

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anarchism is just craziness overall but it's more like um resonance based

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oh lost you for a second oh shall i go to the other room that's your call i want to try it yeah

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I will try.

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Give me a second.

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Okay, you got it.

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The kids will hate me

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because I promised them

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they will have this all to themselves

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and I will be in the fucked up room over there.

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Okay, yeah, I thought you meant

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a virtual room.

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No, no, don't worry, don't worry.

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But I figured out this room

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is the best.

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with internet page. It is better, definitely.

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I lost the point where we stopped

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at all. You were telling me about growing up in Germany.

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Ah, that sucked. It was so boring.

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You cannot imagine how boring that was. Did you have to go into your

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basement to laugh? Yes, actually yes.

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My parents don't have humor at all.

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And I was always laughing. I played theater

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and all these things.

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It was very artistic.

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So I always had this huge energy for creation, you know?

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And my parents were like that serious with everything.

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So they hated me.

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I can't say that.

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They hated me seriously.

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They hated me so much.

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Your parents hating you.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah, they hated me.

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Now it's getting better.

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At least with my dad, I'm finding a way to...

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He's now accepting the way I see life.

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That is cool because, I mean, it's about time I'm 35.

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And I didn't change.

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Yeah, they always thought I'm a weirdo and I will change if they pressure me into it.

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Turned out, no way.

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I was born a weirdo.

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So this is why I love these community stories so much because I always felt like when I grow up,

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I want to live in a community like that with normal people that want to really live life and experience stuff instead of just doing what everyone else tells you to do.

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And I really think the courage of living that is awesome.

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It's so inspiring to see, especially for all the families that were that you you pictured in the movie.

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first of all I think some people might think oh the poor kids growing up so in a in a strange

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environment and I really thought there was one girl she I don't know she was like grown up in

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the second part of the movie and she talked about her past and stuff and I didn't have the feeling

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that she screwed up quite the opposite I had a feeling that she's really aware of her situation

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and her upbringing and that she was grateful for these experiences.

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I think we should have way more of these kids growing up so wild

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would make this earth a better place, I guess.

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So I love hippies just because my parents hated these kind of weirdos,

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although I think they are a little bit like these hippies.

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Right, right.

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Well, you know, as I was saying,

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I would argue that they're not exactly hippies

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because they were so anarchistic.

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When I think of hippie,

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like actually I'm in upstate New York near Woodstock.

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It's the summer.

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Oh, yes.

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And there's all kinds of parties and stuff.

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And I'm like, okay, this party I'm going to.

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Is it going to be super tie-dye-y

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with like white people with dreadlocks?

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I'm like, I don't want to go.

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So I'm always like one part of that world,

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but definitely outside it, more like Epicurean, Bohemian than Hippie, me personally.

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But yeah, Tocelia, who's in the film.

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Yeah, like when you grow up in a place, that's what's normal for you to a degree, right?

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So there's nothing weird for those kids unless they moved out in the middle.

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But it seemed like that generation was mostly born at the ranch.

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Yeah, that's so incredible.

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And they did it with no help from outside.

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They just birth their kids all alone in the woods or at home.

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I love that part because when I got pregnant, everyone was like, oh, my God, which hospital are you choosing?

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And I was like, I would like to choose Mother Nature for this.

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But it was illegal, so I didn't.

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But I had a really good midwife and she made it all natural and everything.

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But I think for the second kid, I would definitely go out in nature, in river or something like that,

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because this is how kids should be born.

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like with your friends or your family and not like so artificial.

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This part really, I don't know, impressed me.

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This is courage all the way because if something goes wrong,

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they're going to hang you for it.

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You know what I mean?

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Is it courage or is it foolhardy?

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I don't know.

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Yeah, I mean, it's courage.

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Yeah.

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And they are able to do it and they learned about how to, you know,

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how to give birth to babies in the proper ways.

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I, you know, it's a weird connection,

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but my first job, last job actually,

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producing an early version of reality TV

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was a TV show called Maternity Ward.

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Oh, nice.

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University Hospital.

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And I lucked out because they were a great group and they had the thing where like Yeah you could go total midwife and you have your midwife and your chilled out room and all that but if anything went wrong

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they'll just whip you over to the other floor and give you an epidural and i think that's the best

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of both worlds if you can you know so yeah the bay area yeah because you know the bay area was

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always ahead in that in that world uh you know like like with natural medications and all that

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i'm like i'm gonna take the uh unless it's really bad i'm gonna take the official md

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double reviewed scientific version and i'm also gonna take the woo woo version too just

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do both you know yeah i like that i've been experimenting on myself with meditation only

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to cure things. I cut my finger once. You can see it's still there because it grew back. And in the

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hospital, they told me like, oh my God, you have to have like an operation right away. You will never

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be able to use your finger again. Maybe it's spreading into the hand because the nerves and

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everything. They were so afraid for me and I didn't have time. I'm a single mom and I had like

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two hours before kindergarten ended. And I was like, dude, I have to catch a bus. I actually have

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to catch a bus. I don't have time for that shit. And they put it back on somehow taped it and send

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me back home. I had to sign all these documents if I and if and this and that. And I went back home

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and I meditated for like 48 hours, almost only meditating with my kid. And he's very aware of

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how I deal with these things. And you see, everything's fine. And they told me I will

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never be able to do that again. It's just impossible. And the last couple of days,

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I had the same thing. I was really, really sick. I had something major disgusting. I was like, dude,

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I told my kids, like, please cut off, cut open my head, pull it out, whatever it is, you have to cut

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me open. And they were like, refusing. They were like, it's disgusting. We're not going to do it.

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I'm like, okay, so meditation it is because I'm not going to go to the doctor and it's vanished.

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and the good part is they are witnesses of what i'm doing and that is the good part i'm not alone

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i'm not crazy maybe i'm crazy but i'm not alone i have them to know it's true you can cure i guess

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anything if you believe it i think it's really about placebo effect in your mind i really do

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think that i partially agree yeah let's cut off your finger and try no but um let's do that made

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me um that made me less afraid of living off grid because it was always oh my god what if i

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what if i i don't know slip and fall into the chainsaw and then i cut off my leg and everything

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and in the end i'm like okay we can handle maybe not a cut off leg but a finger we can handle that

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made me really like okay let's go let's go to the forest live there with no medical attention

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I just want to say on behalf of commune and related entities that we do not endorse this behavior because modern medicine has cool things like when really needed to can save your life.

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That's true.

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But you do.

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Yeah.

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Like these people who are trying to, you know, and I do.

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I agree with you.

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My dog is trying to get out.

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It's hot out there, baby girl.

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Our friends.

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So it reminds me of a sort of very unrelated story,

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but I think you might appreciate it.

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Barbet Schroeder, the director, who, I think he's from Switzerland or Germany.

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They are back.

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Sorry, one second.

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Tut mir leid, in dem Raum war kein Empfang.

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Ich muss hier aufnehmen.

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Pardon.

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Ihr müsst es umswitchen oder was auch immer, ja?

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Oder ganz stehen.

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Dog wants to go out.

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Your kids are coming.

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where that's going.

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That's good.

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Yeah.

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So Barbet Schroeder was,

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let me sit up here.

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He was,

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had a film he wanted to make.

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It was optioned by Canon Films,

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which is like a crank-em-out movie company

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in the 80s.

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And they would not make the film

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and they wouldn't release their option on it.

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So he came into their offices

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with a chainsaw.

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And he said,

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okay, guys,

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you know,

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filmmaking starts a little later,

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maybe 10, 1030.

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10.30, I'm going to start by cutting off my pinky finger.

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And I'm going to keep cutting off fingers on the hour until you release me.

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Either you make the movie or you give it back to me.

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So they're like looking around like, is this madman going to do this?

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And I think he was about to do it.

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And they said, okay, okay, we're going to release your film.

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You can make it yourself with another company.

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And so my point there is just the intensity it takes to craft and then dealing with the whole other commercial side of it.

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Yeah.

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I can imagine.

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That must be crazy.

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Because like creating the movie is the fun part.

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But what is behind all of that shit show, like talking to all these people, making sure that it's released, where you want to see it released and these kind of things.

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I think if I ever shoot a movie and I wish I had the time or talent to do it,

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I want someone else to deal with the rest.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's great.

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And with this film, we've had a lot of help.

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First run features the distributor, and they're great.

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They've been around forever, and they helped get it out there.

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Slamdance Film Festival premiered the film.

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Slamdance, not Sundance.

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It's the alternative to Sundance, which is now its own kind of large festival

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that moved out of Park City.

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It started in Park City as an alternative to Sundance.

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Like, we're just going to sop off the crowds from Sundance

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and bring them to our festival.

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And now it's in Los Angeles and doing really well.

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So Slamdance, first run features.

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And, yeah, once we got into Slamdance,

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it was like people were interested,

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and then we played all over the world and in theaters.

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And then first run put it out on Netflix and a bunch.

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And it was in like a ton of European TV stations as well.

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So the film had a good run.

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I just feel like now we were upgrading, up-rezzing the film for today.

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Modern standards for Apple TV and all that.

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Just making some format changes, boring stuff.

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And although I like the geeky, boring stuff.

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And in the process of doing that, I was like, you know, let's pull it from every streaming platform.

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And let's show it in theaters.

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Yes.

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And have people see each other.

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So tomorrow night I'm showing, oh, hello.

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I'm showing the film in upstate New York.

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We're having a lot of bookings in upstate New York.

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And now we're booked out in the California Bay Area, of course.

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So people from Black Bear will be there.

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Nice.

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That is awesome.

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It's a little bit like I feel like they're my relative, a little guilty, like my relatives who I didn't call enough.

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Oh, that is so cool.

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But I would feel the same.

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I wanted to ask you, how will it feel like to meet them again after all that time?

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How long has it been, or have you been in contact with them in the meantime?

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I have been in contact here and there.

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Allegra, she's the daughter of Geva, who builds that beautiful house with the stained glass.

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The whole community helps her.

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I've been in touch with Allegra.

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where she wanted to get all the raw footage,

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which was the big undertaking.

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So that's, I have an, I teach at Cal State San Marcos,

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another entity, which, great school.

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It's one of the Cal State schools,

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and they helped on the film when I just got there 20 years ago.

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And so all my original tapes are there in North San Diego.

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So we have to dub them and get them to Allegra.

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So I've been in touch with Allegra.

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I've been in touch with Cannoli a lot.

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I don't know. You have to see the film to know who I'm talking about, guys.

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Yeah, true.

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I don't know about our European, what's happening on the Europe.

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It's on a whole other front and beyond, Europe and beyond.

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But yeah, like I said, it had been on.

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I guess I should go back to all the people who showed it 20 years ago

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and see what they said.

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Yes, true.

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It's super interesting.

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Was it on Arte?

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It was on Planet in France.

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I researched it, and you can watch it on so many different platforms.

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Uh-oh.

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I will put the links in there.

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They're supposed to not be on those.

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Do not put the links for the people.

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Don't put the links for the people who steal it.

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No, of course not.

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They got to pay their $3 or pounds or whatever they are.

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Of course.

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No, no.

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I meant like this payment.

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One Bitcoin.

401
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If somebody wants to pay just one Bitcoin, I will screen it for your entire community.

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That's cool.

403
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Country.

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Your entire country.

405
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That's nothing.

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Country.

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That's cool.

408
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yeah that's what people used to buy pizzas with people used to buy big coins for a pizza

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those people are probably freaking out now true i would bite my own ass if that would have been me

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seriously that is crazy are you that flexible

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i don't think so i wouldn't need to hire someone to bite my own ass for that shit

412
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but I couldn't because I would be broke so shit there you go that's really fucked up that's fucked

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up so maybe let's talk a bit about uh the kids that grew up there I think there were at least

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11 I counted or something like that maybe more and what I really really uh because the last couple

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of years I've been living close to a lot of hippie dippy people and they have no problem with running

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around naked and all these things and even with the kids i mean being naked is one thing but having

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this nudist touch in your lifestyle and one thing i remember that really disgusted me was there is a

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community and if they have a problem within the community everyone has to sit in a huge circle

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completely naked the kids as well so this is where i draw the line if you have a problem and you want

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to discuss it naked do it but leave the kids out if they don't want to teenagers everyone had to be

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naked so this is what i um experienced in the last years regarding hippies and kids and communities

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and off-grid living so they were quite yeah too involved with the kids i would say so yeah and i

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know that um being naked was also an issue or a topic in this community you were working with so

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maybe you can share something about that because i think they it was quite interesting there was so

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much going on with um like not only having kids like uh giving birth within the community but

426
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all the other stuff as well it was quite open-minded i guess

427
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yeah i mean it's kind of like we found the perfect canvas to talk about all the issues of the 60s in

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one place there was a thing called the whole earth catalog and if you can find it online i think like

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sections of it or the whole thing probably.

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And it's like two pages on organic

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gardening before it even really kind of

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was called that and a few

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pages on how to fix your VW

434
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van. So this film

435
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is like that. So that definitely was

436
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an issue. I mean, imagine

437
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you're in the 1950s, right?

438
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With all that

439
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Leave it to Beaver

440
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was an American TV show, like very

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conformity

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ridden society

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of the nuclear family.

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And growing up that way and, you know, being people wondering if you're a communist and all that stuff.

445
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And bursting out of that, they just were trying to blow away every block or old way that seemed to just want to fall away.

446
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So that was one of them.

447
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We have this poster for the film, which has a bunch of people naked.

448
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and yeah somebody recently said to me is that like an old guy with like a naked child on his

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lap and i was like i never even thought about it because i don't i'm not a pedophile so i don't

450
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think that way you know but and i'm not saying the person who said that is but it was a good point

451
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i mean it's i mean it's controversial but um i don't think they were thinking of it that way

452
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either i mean nobody nobody i spoke to yet has said there was anything untoward happening um

453
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But yeah, the nakedness thing was funny.

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What's more erotic is some clothing.

455
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When you go to full naked, it's less erotic.

456
00:29:03,003 --> 00:29:04,503
Yes, it's true.

457
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It's true.

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I always discuss this with the kids, and I'm always telling them,

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if you're completely naked, you look less attractive

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than if you have something on it.

461
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So don't go to school naked?

462
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Don't go to school naked.

463
00:29:20,443 --> 00:29:21,703
They don't go to school anyway.

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right and to be honest i don't know running around naked is just so monkey like so this is maybe why

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but i don't know so i think there was one more interesting like 10 million more interesting

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points but one thing that really stuck out to me the people always tell me and i know this from

467
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other communities it felt like coming home like always the sense it felt like coming home so i

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know that feeling because I've been to so many communities living there, blah, blah, blah. And I

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always felt like coming home. But I think this is why it is because the people are more open-minded,

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more conscious and more aware of how they treat each other, maybe. So coming from this

471
00:30:06,483 --> 00:30:15,443
nine, like this, he wants his toy. I was thinking, what the fuck does he want from me all the time?

472
00:30:15,443 --> 00:30:16,303
Yalla, adios.

473
00:30:17,623 --> 00:30:27,623
And I think really in comparison to this boring lifestyle we have where everyone is focused on making money, surviving, blah, blah, blah.

474
00:30:28,823 --> 00:30:34,523
Seeing these communities where people really try to live and thrive and experience life.

475
00:30:34,603 --> 00:30:35,603
This is too loud, dude.

476
00:30:35,843 --> 00:30:37,043
Just fuck off.

477
00:30:37,043 --> 00:30:48,883
I think in between, it feels like you're coming home because it's more humane than the actual life we're living, like most of us are living.

478
00:30:49,543 --> 00:30:54,343
So I don't know, maybe you experienced the same when you got there, like, oh, my God, I feel home.

479
00:30:54,823 --> 00:31:00,103
Maybe not. But what do you think this is coming where this is coming from, this feeling home feeling?

480
00:31:02,623 --> 00:31:05,243
Well, yeah, it brings up a lot of thoughts.

481
00:31:05,243 --> 00:31:11,423
I think I told you I'm a little sleep deprived today, but I think I can still partially think.

482
00:31:14,363 --> 00:31:22,463
So one thing that was, this is just an anecdote that comes to mind.

483
00:31:22,883 --> 00:31:28,603
One of my camera dudes was Tomas Boitor, who's from Hungary.

484
00:31:29,143 --> 00:31:34,463
And it was so hilarious because when we got there, I think because he had lived in L.A. in Hungary because he was in there.

485
00:31:34,463 --> 00:31:40,383
well that's actually I'm not even sure but he just started kind of like grabbing their cds

486
00:31:40,383 --> 00:31:45,983
and dubbing them as we were like in between shoots like without asking you know so I was like okay

487
00:31:45,983 --> 00:31:54,143
he feels he feels at home um you know and uh yeah I did feel at home I mean one thing is when I got

488
00:31:54,143 --> 00:31:59,423
there and met some of the people and these are like the OGs who aren't living there anymore to

489
00:31:59,423 --> 00:32:03,643
be fair they already kind of graduated out of black we're like Gabe on Harriet and you from

490
00:32:03,643 --> 00:32:04,383
and all these people.

491
00:32:04,963 --> 00:32:07,863
They're like neurotic East Coast Jews like me, you know?

492
00:32:08,723 --> 00:32:19,606
Richard was half Irish half Jewish I think And so it was really like in that way it almost was like literally coming home you know Nice Have you ever seen the film Almost Famous

493
00:32:21,366 --> 00:32:21,806
Yes.

494
00:32:22,166 --> 00:32:22,806
What is it about?

495
00:32:23,086 --> 00:32:23,206
It's a great film.

496
00:32:23,206 --> 00:32:25,386
It's about that kid who becomes a rock journalist.

497
00:32:26,286 --> 00:32:27,566
And there's a scene where he's...

498
00:32:27,566 --> 00:32:28,666
Yes, of course.

499
00:32:29,126 --> 00:32:30,006
It's so cute.

500
00:32:30,226 --> 00:32:31,786
This is Cameron Crowe.

501
00:32:31,786 --> 00:32:34,266
His sister is going to become a stewardess

502
00:32:34,266 --> 00:32:37,346
and leaving the house, the nuclear family.

503
00:32:37,346 --> 00:32:43,646
and she's like look under my bag you'll find the albums stare into them and you will understand the

504
00:32:43,646 --> 00:32:50,686
secret of the universe so i felt that same way my sister was more in the kind of 60s generation

505
00:32:50,686 --> 00:32:57,386
and she had all those albums waiting for the sun jim morrison the doors jimmy hendrix grateful

506
00:32:57,386 --> 00:33:07,046
dead kraftvick kraftvick yeah yeah radioactivity you know so those albums and that music

507
00:33:07,046 --> 00:33:09,166
was a kind of home for me too.

508
00:33:09,286 --> 00:33:10,066
And as a musician,

509
00:33:10,806 --> 00:33:13,106
even in suburban Long Island, we were doing

510
00:33:13,106 --> 00:33:15,006
our own acid test where we were like 15

511
00:33:15,006 --> 00:33:16,966
or 16 with LSD and

512
00:33:16,966 --> 00:33:19,026
playing music in our friend's

513
00:33:19,026 --> 00:33:20,986
basement for hours and people

514
00:33:20,986 --> 00:33:22,486
tripping. So there was

515
00:33:22,486 --> 00:33:24,526
that element of home too.

516
00:33:24,726 --> 00:33:25,866
Heimat, we call it.

517
00:33:26,806 --> 00:33:28,006
Yeah, Heimat, that's cool.

518
00:33:28,966 --> 00:33:30,246
Yeah, I like that.

519
00:33:30,246 --> 00:33:32,306
It goes beyond home

520
00:33:32,306 --> 00:33:34,166
but I don't know if it's the same as

521
00:33:34,166 --> 00:33:36,186
Heimusha. Heimusha maybe is a little

522
00:33:36,186 --> 00:33:38,406
warmer, that's a Yiddish word. It means like homey.

523
00:33:39,146 --> 00:33:40,346
Heimat, I think, might even

524
00:33:40,346 --> 00:33:41,646
mean like homeland.

525
00:33:42,126 --> 00:33:42,886
It's a little more formal.

526
00:33:44,346 --> 00:33:45,446
Yeah, you can say that.

527
00:33:46,626 --> 00:33:47,946
But it's also

528
00:33:47,946 --> 00:33:49,726
very lovely.

529
00:33:50,266 --> 00:33:51,686
Heimat, that

530
00:33:51,686 --> 00:33:53,886
tells people that you like it.

531
00:33:55,166 --> 00:33:56,246
Because you wouldn't say

532
00:33:56,246 --> 00:33:58,266
Heimat. I did a film

533
00:33:58,266 --> 00:33:59,646
about the Ruskibanya,

534
00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:01,526
the Russian baths in New York.

535
00:34:02,066 --> 00:34:03,906
I remember I was

536
00:34:03,906 --> 00:34:05,886
very happy they showed it in Austria

537
00:34:05,886 --> 00:34:07,966
in Vienna under a banner of Heimat

538
00:34:07,966 --> 00:34:09,886
and they added a short film by

539
00:34:09,886 --> 00:34:11,686
Scorsese. I'm like, okay,

540
00:34:11,866 --> 00:34:13,886
I'm showing with Scorsese in Vienna. This can't be

541
00:34:13,886 --> 00:34:14,126
bad.

542
00:34:15,166 --> 00:34:17,946
What is home is a great question.

543
00:34:18,146 --> 00:34:18,846
It really is.

544
00:34:19,626 --> 00:34:21,046
As someone who,

545
00:34:21,786 --> 00:34:23,606
in spite of what I said before, I do believe

546
00:34:23,606 --> 00:34:24,726
we create our own reality.

547
00:34:25,946 --> 00:34:27,466
I would offer that

548
00:34:27,466 --> 00:34:29,906
wherever I am, I'm home.

549
00:34:31,146 --> 00:34:31,906
That's a very

550
00:34:31,906 --> 00:34:33,326
empowering belief system.

551
00:34:33,766 --> 00:34:34,666
It is.

552
00:34:34,666 --> 00:34:36,606
I think that has something spiritual.

553
00:34:37,886 --> 00:34:38,286
Absolutely.

554
00:34:38,466 --> 00:34:39,186
You go to a party.

555
00:34:39,386 --> 00:34:40,846
Like, I wish I had remembered that.

556
00:34:41,586 --> 00:34:43,726
I was lucky to go to two parties the other night.

557
00:34:43,866 --> 00:34:46,306
And one was really great cutting-edge artists,

558
00:34:46,426 --> 00:34:47,526
some of them sort of well-known.

559
00:34:48,206 --> 00:34:49,646
And I was like, this is great.

560
00:34:49,726 --> 00:34:50,446
I could talk to everyone.

561
00:34:50,646 --> 00:34:54,326
Later that night, went to a party of a really nice local British guy.

562
00:34:54,566 --> 00:34:57,026
And it was more like Shicky Mickey, right?

563
00:34:57,606 --> 00:34:58,726
That's an old term.

564
00:34:59,006 --> 00:34:59,946
Yuppie, you'd say.

565
00:35:00,026 --> 00:35:00,566
I like it.

566
00:35:01,306 --> 00:35:01,546
Yeah.

567
00:35:01,546 --> 00:35:04,666
And so I really couldn't connect.

568
00:35:04,806 --> 00:35:08,446
But if I had remembered that wherever I go, I'm home.

569
00:35:09,266 --> 00:35:14,406
But at Blackberry, I did actually feel that partially because of the people and the values and all that.

570
00:35:15,226 --> 00:35:15,786
True.

571
00:35:16,206 --> 00:35:17,126
I really like that.

572
00:35:17,966 --> 00:35:20,546
Let's talk about the cow that really...

573
00:35:21,186 --> 00:35:23,826
Well, that's what killed the cow.

574
00:35:24,106 --> 00:35:24,886
Talking about it.

575
00:35:25,946 --> 00:35:26,926
It's hilarious.

576
00:35:26,926 --> 00:35:32,506
I think the story was like they had a cow and it was providing milk and everything was great.

577
00:35:32,626 --> 00:35:33,806
Everyone loved the cow.

578
00:35:33,906 --> 00:35:37,346
And at some point people wanted to eat it and they did.

579
00:35:38,586 --> 00:35:39,326
How could they?

580
00:35:40,306 --> 00:35:41,626
Yeah, well, it was.

581
00:35:42,246 --> 00:35:49,266
And by the way, that story and a couple of other tidbits, along with recommendations are coming on our social.

582
00:35:49,906 --> 00:35:52,946
Commune the movie on Instagram for you insties.

583
00:35:53,466 --> 00:35:55,146
And it's also on Facebook.

584
00:35:55,146 --> 00:35:57,666
but we have that story

585
00:35:57,666 --> 00:35:59,866
and it's like there was a big thing

586
00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:01,906
about the cow. This is Cedar who's a great

587
00:36:01,906 --> 00:36:03,826
character. By the way people change their

588
00:36:03,826 --> 00:36:05,826
names for a lot of reasons besides like

589
00:36:05,826 --> 00:36:07,806
transforming it to someone else also

590
00:36:07,806 --> 00:36:09,626
evading the draft you know

591
00:36:09,626 --> 00:36:11,906
like no I'm not going to go to

592
00:36:11,906 --> 00:36:13,946
Vietnam and kill women and children for my

593
00:36:13,946 --> 00:36:15,866
government so I would have definitely

594
00:36:15,866 --> 00:36:17,966
been on that side and gone to

595
00:36:17,966 --> 00:36:19,866
Canada or something and in fact I just became

596
00:36:19,866 --> 00:36:20,786
a Canadian citizen.

597
00:36:21,806 --> 00:36:23,626
Nice. Yeah.

598
00:36:23,626 --> 00:36:30,366
It really is. My libertarian or right-wing nephew is calling me a traitor now.

599
00:36:32,026 --> 00:36:36,926
Hilarious. But, you know, I'm not killing women and children for my government.

600
00:36:37,386 --> 00:36:42,966
But Cedar, he says, you know, there was a big thing about the cow and everybody was backed up.

601
00:36:43,146 --> 00:36:45,746
And some people wanted to eat it. Maybe we could milk it.

602
00:36:45,746 --> 00:36:53,446
I'm like, I can't do his whole story. But, yeah, I mean, that's a great parable almost about like sometimes over-talking things.

603
00:36:53,626 --> 00:36:56,046
can lead to the wrong results.

604
00:36:57,026 --> 00:36:58,966
Alex, this is why I could never be a communist.

605
00:36:59,646 --> 00:37:00,206
The meetings.

606
00:37:00,406 --> 00:37:00,626
Yeah.

607
00:37:01,286 --> 00:37:01,706
Yes.

608
00:37:01,706 --> 00:37:03,486
I can't be a communist or an alcoholic.

609
00:37:04,426 --> 00:37:04,626
Yeah.

610
00:37:04,986 --> 00:37:05,766
Can't be a communist.

611
00:37:06,126 --> 00:37:06,886
Too many meetings.

612
00:37:07,526 --> 00:37:08,386
Too many meetings.

613
00:37:08,386 --> 00:37:12,686
And just imagine all this bullshit, blah, blah, you have to listen to.

614
00:37:12,786 --> 00:37:15,406
I mean, if it's just you talking to other people, okay.

615
00:37:15,826 --> 00:37:16,806
I can live with that.

616
00:37:16,886 --> 00:37:19,026
Hearing my own voice, all right.

617
00:37:19,106 --> 00:37:22,346
But 99% of people talking to me, I don't want to hear them.

618
00:37:22,346 --> 00:37:28,966
so just imagine a room full of these 99 percent no way couldn't do it

619
00:37:28,966 --> 00:37:35,946
what 99 percent what do you mean like the blah blah people the uninteresting people

620
00:37:35,946 --> 00:37:41,886
yeah that you have to have meetings with them and all these discussions no way impossible

621
00:37:41,886 --> 00:37:47,406
right well at black bear it was truly impossible because everybody went there for their own reason

622
00:37:47,406 --> 00:37:50,646
This person was a political renegade.

623
00:37:50,766 --> 00:37:56,646
This person was a, you know, who knows, back to the land person.

624
00:37:56,906 --> 00:38:00,506
This person was, you know, at one point, this is not in the film,

625
00:38:01,286 --> 00:38:06,946
a black revolutionary guerrilla group came up there and brought like machine guns

626
00:38:06,946 --> 00:38:10,786
and they were doing target practice, you know, up at Black Bear.

627
00:38:11,586 --> 00:38:12,606
That is crazy.

628
00:38:12,606 --> 00:38:17,466
And, yeah, and the people at Blackburn were like, hey, guys, excuse me.

629
00:38:18,526 --> 00:38:20,326
We have, like, kids here and stuff.

630
00:38:20,426 --> 00:38:22,266
This is probably not the best idea.

631
00:38:22,966 --> 00:38:24,066
Eventually they left.

632
00:38:24,446 --> 00:38:28,906
And I waited outside the home of one of those guys, and he just didn't come out.

633
00:38:29,026 --> 00:38:31,006
Sometimes people chicken out of interviews.

634
00:38:31,226 --> 00:38:31,986
I'm sure you've had that.

635
00:38:33,406 --> 00:38:35,786
But I would have loved to have known more about it.

636
00:38:35,786 --> 00:38:42,306
Because, yeah, the hippie thing and, you know, psychology, hippies, counterculture, not always.

637
00:38:42,306 --> 00:38:48,466
but a lot of times it is the domain of people who have the affluence to do it.

638
00:38:48,886 --> 00:38:52,946
If you're working in a coal mine or you're being a welder,

639
00:38:53,046 --> 00:38:57,746
like our Lundsman Werner Herzog, you know, he got out of that,

640
00:38:57,786 --> 00:39:00,506
but he used those experiences to fuel his work.

641
00:39:00,766 --> 00:39:04,546
But, yeah, and you have to have some life experiences, I think, to make anything.

642
00:39:04,886 --> 00:39:07,546
But what was I talking about?

643
00:39:07,646 --> 00:39:08,886
Sorry, I lost my train of thought.

644
00:39:10,206 --> 00:39:11,006
What were we talking about?

645
00:39:11,006 --> 00:39:11,466
Don't worry.

646
00:39:11,466 --> 00:39:16,326
now I forgot it as well as you asked me it vanished from my brain do you know that sometimes

647
00:39:16,326 --> 00:39:20,526
I have this when my kids are asking me something while we talk it's like I don't even know what we

648
00:39:20,526 --> 00:39:26,446
talked about before now that you asked it's gone yeah I think maybe just something about like all

649
00:39:26,446 --> 00:39:31,006
different kinds of people showing up for all different kinds of reasons so meetings must

650
00:39:31,006 --> 00:39:35,926
have been insane and I think that was a great example of it that's you and the poor cow poor

651
00:39:35,926 --> 00:39:37,066
The poor cow.

652
00:39:37,626 --> 00:39:38,706
She didn't make it.

653
00:39:39,486 --> 00:39:40,386
But it is what it is.

654
00:39:40,386 --> 00:39:40,846
I'm assuming.

655
00:39:41,346 --> 00:39:41,446
Yeah.

656
00:39:43,066 --> 00:39:44,126
I couldn't.

657
00:39:44,226 --> 00:39:46,206
I mean, you know that cow so well.

658
00:39:46,326 --> 00:39:49,466
And it had a personality, isn't it?

659
00:39:49,946 --> 00:39:52,306
I mean, it is too personal.

660
00:39:52,446 --> 00:39:53,406
I couldn't eat my dog.

661
00:39:53,886 --> 00:39:54,706
That is disgusting.

662
00:39:55,086 --> 00:39:57,686
Even if I was a dog eater, I couldn't eat my dog.

663
00:39:58,806 --> 00:39:59,526
No, I know.

664
00:40:00,206 --> 00:40:03,606
Well, that is a whole Western thing that maybe we need to break through.

665
00:40:03,606 --> 00:40:11,066
talk about black bear type stuff like maybe it's better to eat a pet that you or something you know

666
00:40:11,066 --> 00:40:17,226
really well i don't know maybe it is feelings but i shouldn't culture especially in the states

667
00:40:17,226 --> 00:40:22,446
you know people they don't want to know what their meat and stuff is you know it's the less

668
00:40:22,446 --> 00:40:26,786
it looks like a lot of people won't eat a whole fish here because they see the fish head you know

669
00:40:26,786 --> 00:40:33,346
so those people should not go to greece no for sure not i wanted to ask like where do you get

670
00:40:33,346 --> 00:40:40,146
fish without a head but obviously in regions where it's not america yeah normal to have like fresh

671
00:40:40,146 --> 00:40:49,326
fish i prefer the hat because then you know like what it looked like makes it strangely more

672
00:40:49,326 --> 00:40:56,126
personal i can eat fish that i know but i cannot eat it i think the fur it's making this whole

673
00:40:56,126 --> 00:41:02,906
situation weird for me if it has fur it's a friend i can eat snakes and crocodiles no problem but

674
00:41:02,906 --> 00:41:05,366
stuffed with fur. I don't know.

675
00:41:06,026 --> 00:41:07,666
I'll remember that when I come

676
00:41:07,666 --> 00:41:08,446
visit Alex.

677
00:41:09,606 --> 00:41:11,466
I will hunt down a snake for you.

678
00:41:11,706 --> 00:41:12,266
No, seriously.

679
00:41:13,166 --> 00:41:15,306
A couple of days ago, we've been to

680
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:17,186
a little river here, like,

681
00:41:17,346 --> 00:41:19,306
I don't know, in the middle of nowhere.

682
00:41:19,846 --> 00:41:21,446
And I was late to the party.

683
00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:23,206
The kids came screaming at me,

684
00:41:23,246 --> 00:41:25,106
are there snakes in the river?

685
00:41:25,206 --> 00:41:27,526
And I was like, bam, we got lunch,

686
00:41:27,846 --> 00:41:29,306
boys. And I was told

687
00:41:29,306 --> 00:41:30,686
the snakes were already gone.

688
00:41:30,686 --> 00:41:32,026
I wanted to catch one.

689
00:41:32,226 --> 00:41:36,606
I was in this river and searching, like, where the fuck are they hiding?

690
00:41:36,826 --> 00:41:38,466
I really wanted to eat one of them.

691
00:41:38,966 --> 00:41:40,146
Have you ever eaten a snake?

692
00:41:40,906 --> 00:41:42,246
Yes, actually, I did.

693
00:41:42,506 --> 00:41:44,146
And it's not disgusting.

694
00:41:45,106 --> 00:41:50,506
I would prefer it over this mass production chicken or whatever.

695
00:41:50,506 --> 00:41:50,906
Exactly.

696
00:41:51,066 --> 00:41:51,526
Anytime.

697
00:41:51,966 --> 00:41:52,326
Anytime.

698
00:41:52,846 --> 00:41:54,646
I know people love eel.

699
00:41:54,886 --> 00:41:57,446
That's in Japan and in Europe.

700
00:41:57,446 --> 00:41:58,186
Never tried that, maybe.

701
00:41:58,506 --> 00:41:58,806
Really?

702
00:41:59,586 --> 00:41:59,966
No.

703
00:41:59,966 --> 00:42:05,926
sushi they do it yes but i never tried eel you wouldn't know you wouldn't know it's a eel because

704
00:42:05,926 --> 00:42:13,126
they toast it and they put the sweet sauce on it are crazy shit but i eat snails and all these

705
00:42:13,126 --> 00:42:19,426
things so basically everything and and on the on the film front i think that was part of it too

706
00:42:19,426 --> 00:42:25,326
learning how to live off the land and yes somebody asked me recently about hoss was at the beginning

707
00:42:25,326 --> 00:42:31,606
of the film he's a kurok indian or park kurok i forgot um but the you know the tribes that were

708
00:42:31,606 --> 00:42:37,166
up there and he was like i gotta teach these people how to catch stuff and how to you know

709
00:42:37,166 --> 00:42:42,846
survive the winter because they're they were originally basically mostly city people you know

710
00:42:42,846 --> 00:42:48,506
yeah they didn't know they didn't know yeah that is the crazy change isn't it because for me it was

711
00:42:48,506 --> 00:42:53,686
a crazy change i we lived in berlin then we moved to the jungle for quite a bit and then we moved to

712
00:42:53,686 --> 00:43:00,526
the canary islands i mean canary islands is easy to live they have food in the market um but this

713
00:43:00,526 --> 00:43:08,666
change yeah but the change is um like it's mindset it's a mindset thing and yeah i think at least for

714
00:43:08,666 --> 00:43:16,226
me if you once got there like you can produce your own food you can hunt for it and you can go there

715
00:43:16,226 --> 00:43:21,606
and just kill something and eat it it makes much more sense than going to the supermarket now we

716
00:43:21,606 --> 00:43:30,166
live in Portugal and it really sucks I mean buying food here is I would say complicated for people

717
00:43:30,166 --> 00:43:39,106
like me if you really want fresh stuff it's rare they have millions of supermarkets of course but

718
00:43:39,106 --> 00:43:45,366
like really fresh things like hunted there must be a farmer's market you got to find your farmers

719
00:43:45,366 --> 00:43:50,706
there it is it is but they still have things from New Zealand and stuff and I was thinking

720
00:43:50,706 --> 00:43:57,106
dude if you go there i expect people to have like portuguese food like from the region here

721
00:43:57,106 --> 00:44:05,586
like yeah no it's it's crazy but i was very like i forgot the word um

722
00:44:05,586 --> 00:44:13,126
spoiled by the canary islands because the food is just awesome you have fresh food

723
00:44:13,126 --> 00:44:21,206
and everything so i think living off the grid is it is really changing a lot like mindset stuff

724
00:44:21,206 --> 00:44:27,326
how did you feel over there with all these challenges maybe or i don't know how did it

725
00:44:27,326 --> 00:44:33,086
change you or influence you you know there is that thing with um like suburbia and all that

726
00:44:33,086 --> 00:44:39,086
certainly not less at my house but you'd go to a friend's house and their refrigerator would be

727
00:44:39,086 --> 00:44:42,926
stocked, especially since we were getting high back then.

728
00:44:44,066 --> 00:44:47,166
As teenagers, we'd like eat through our

729
00:44:47,166 --> 00:44:51,186
friends' family's well-stocked refrigerator. But there is something

730
00:44:51,186 --> 00:44:54,546
actually really good about not having a well-stocked refrigerator.

731
00:44:55,446 --> 00:44:57,086
Food becomes more of a

732
00:44:57,086 --> 00:45:03,126
thing, you know? I guess back in ye olden days, they'd spend like days and

733
00:45:03,126 --> 00:45:04,326
weeks on the hunt, right?

734
00:45:04,326 --> 00:45:15,746
so um uh but um i think this whole uh uh trend towards farmers markets and all that yeah you

735
00:45:15,746 --> 00:45:21,686
gotta find your farmers uh alex gotta be somewhere they're there they are here all around me you gotta

736
00:45:21,686 --> 00:45:28,586
call them up go crazy here yeah i do all the time i'm walking through their fields and everything

737
00:45:28,586 --> 00:45:30,646
and I'm waving to them and everything.

738
00:45:31,386 --> 00:45:35,006
But I don't know where all the products are.

739
00:45:35,306 --> 00:45:35,926
Ask them.

740
00:45:36,566 --> 00:45:40,646
Maybe they should go off to Paris or something.

741
00:45:41,106 --> 00:45:41,366
Paris.

742
00:45:41,786 --> 00:45:42,246
I don't know.

743
00:45:42,726 --> 00:45:43,406
Yeah, it's crazy.

744
00:45:44,046 --> 00:45:46,006
But I hope that we don't stay that long,

745
00:45:46,086 --> 00:45:48,786
that I have to really get into the food game here.

746
00:45:49,806 --> 00:45:50,306
Let's see.

747
00:45:51,306 --> 00:45:52,286
I would rather leave.

748
00:45:52,986 --> 00:45:55,906
Another revolution that started against

749
00:45:55,906 --> 00:45:58,186
and related to the hippie thing

750
00:45:58,186 --> 00:46:01,526
was like this whole horrible Silicon Valley culture.

751
00:46:02,066 --> 00:46:02,786
Yeah, that's amazing.

752
00:46:02,806 --> 00:46:05,286
You remember there was that thing, I think they called it Soylent,

753
00:46:05,386 --> 00:46:07,166
which was kind of a joke about Soylent Green,

754
00:46:07,286 --> 00:46:08,826
the old movie where they're eating people.

755
00:46:09,386 --> 00:46:13,366
And it's just like, oh, I'm working 15 hours or 18 or 20 hours a day

756
00:46:13,366 --> 00:46:16,286
at Google or whatever, so I'm just going to drink these protein shakes

757
00:46:16,286 --> 00:46:17,106
called Soylent.

758
00:46:17,646 --> 00:46:22,726
There is something liberating about not having to deal with the whole food thing.

759
00:46:22,906 --> 00:46:24,206
Just having like a little pill.

760
00:46:25,366 --> 00:46:26,046
Swallow it.

761
00:46:26,446 --> 00:46:27,246
I'm not like that.

762
00:46:27,246 --> 00:46:28,346
I love good food.

763
00:46:28,966 --> 00:46:29,286
Yes.

764
00:46:29,926 --> 00:46:34,766
And I enjoy cooking and eating with friends and all that.

765
00:46:34,766 --> 00:46:43,746
But there are those artist types I noticed when I was in art school at Bard College who would just –

766
00:46:43,746 --> 00:46:44,406
there's those types.

767
00:46:44,566 --> 00:46:47,566
They're just like, yeah, they just ate a little macaroni and cheese and they keep painting.

768
00:46:48,046 --> 00:46:49,546
It's like food's not a big thing for them.

769
00:46:50,206 --> 00:46:50,546
Crazy.

770
00:46:51,506 --> 00:46:54,906
I mean if I'm in the zone of producing something, I can relate.

771
00:46:55,526 --> 00:46:56,106
That is okay.

772
00:46:56,246 --> 00:46:56,606
Yeah, me too.

773
00:46:56,726 --> 00:46:57,106
Me too.

774
00:46:57,106 --> 00:47:02,126
it's just like oh my god we've been editing for six hours and it felt like 20 minutes that's a

775
00:47:02,126 --> 00:47:07,066
good sign so the edit process you asked before about about the making the edit process is pretty

776
00:47:07,066 --> 00:47:15,666
magical yeah and i i did this other film i think i mentioned to you about um ufos and joshua tree

777
00:47:15,666 --> 00:47:22,026
which was another counterculture area that's calling all earthlings and then my new one is

778
00:47:22,026 --> 00:47:25,586
the third and final part of the California Trilogy.

779
00:47:26,126 --> 00:47:32,226
And that is about a billionaire who wants to build this kind of ski lift

780
00:47:32,226 --> 00:47:35,366
over the heads of the working class people in Chinatown

781
00:47:35,366 --> 00:47:36,566
and going by their windows.

782
00:47:37,626 --> 00:47:39,526
Oh, nice. That's something for me.

783
00:47:40,006 --> 00:47:42,766
Yeah, it's hyper-political, which I usually don't do.

784
00:47:43,666 --> 00:47:46,026
No, I love it. Really cool.

785
00:47:46,606 --> 00:47:49,626
Yeah, let's talk maybe a little bit about spirituality.

786
00:47:49,626 --> 00:47:55,986
how was this going down in the community because from what i've seen in the communities that i

787
00:47:55,986 --> 00:48:03,006
visited it's always an issue always someone is not deep enough into letting go or something like

788
00:48:03,006 --> 00:48:09,406
that and that i think from my point of view was most of the times the main issue that people

789
00:48:09,406 --> 00:48:30,069
make each other feel like they are not ready enough or anything like that not connected enough and these kind of things Well it was Buddha himself who said that the spiritual trap was one of the traps When you think you holy that when you lost it So you know

790
00:48:30,249 --> 00:48:34,789
we lucked out with Blackberry Ranch because it wasn't a spiritual hang. And in fact, there is a

791
00:48:34,789 --> 00:48:38,488
scene where somebody's like, we would visit these other communes and they'd be meditating and

792
00:48:38,488 --> 00:48:43,408
hugging each other and gazing into each other's eyes. And we thought that was weird.

793
00:48:43,408 --> 00:48:46,169
they were like anarchists

794
00:48:46,169 --> 00:48:48,529
it was no one way

795
00:48:48,529 --> 00:48:50,289
and I love that and Richard

796
00:48:50,289 --> 00:48:52,369
Marley who's you know him and Elsa

797
00:48:52,369 --> 00:48:53,609
founded Black Bear

798
00:48:53,609 --> 00:48:56,609
they had already been through San Francisco in the 60s

799
00:48:56,609 --> 00:48:58,229
and the like you know at that

800
00:48:58,229 --> 00:49:00,408
point people were coming to San

801
00:49:00,408 --> 00:49:01,269
Francisco from

802
00:49:01,269 --> 00:49:04,148
you know Ohio like

803
00:49:04,148 --> 00:49:06,229
16 year olds showing up with

804
00:49:06,229 --> 00:49:08,269
no money and tripping and it was a disaster

805
00:49:08,269 --> 00:49:10,008
in a way and so they helped

806
00:49:10,008 --> 00:49:12,189
help those kids who were coming in

807
00:49:12,189 --> 00:49:17,468
you know get fed and sheltered and all that and then they left but they took that kind of ethos

808
00:49:17,468 --> 00:49:24,349
and brought it up there but richard was able to hold on to this idea of anarchy and socialism but

809
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:31,628
in a in a way that was very light touch it wasn't like you have to believe a certain thing that's

810
00:49:31,628 --> 00:49:40,428
cute makes sense because i really think everyone has their own way to talk to god or whoever whatever

811
00:49:40,428 --> 00:49:41,329
is up there.

812
00:49:42,628 --> 00:49:43,928
There's not one way.

813
00:49:44,148 --> 00:49:46,529
It is impossible that there's just one way

814
00:49:46,529 --> 00:49:47,388
to communicate.

815
00:49:48,468 --> 00:49:50,628
It's just like, our God is better than yours

816
00:49:50,628 --> 00:49:52,249
and therefore we're going to kill each other.

817
00:49:52,428 --> 00:49:54,869
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

818
00:49:55,529 --> 00:49:56,888
What's happening in this world.

819
00:49:58,029 --> 00:49:58,789
But, you know,

820
00:49:58,829 --> 00:49:59,769
the other film,

821
00:50:00,309 --> 00:50:02,388
Calling All Earthlings, is much more about

822
00:50:02,388 --> 00:50:04,468
spirituality. A guy who

823
00:50:04,468 --> 00:50:06,569
works at the booming

824
00:50:06,569 --> 00:50:08,529
defense plants in Los Angeles

825
00:50:08,529 --> 00:50:17,209
in the 50s comes from Ohio he's a flight buff flew planes crop dusters as a kid and he goes to the

826
00:50:17,209 --> 00:50:22,329
desert and has an encounter he says with aliens who tell him to build this machine that will be

827
00:50:22,329 --> 00:50:29,529
this like Swiss army knife of spirituality and rejuvenation called the Integratron and he builds

828
00:50:29,529 --> 00:50:34,309
it out in the desert before there was anything really out there very much maybe some old veterans

829
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:35,628
and stuff were living there.

830
00:50:36,169 --> 00:50:39,508
And so that was very spiritual because there was a spiritual connection

831
00:50:39,508 --> 00:50:44,709
with the – in his – George Van Tassel was his name in his world.

832
00:50:45,369 --> 00:50:49,508
It's hyper-spiritual, the relationship with the space beings.

833
00:50:51,628 --> 00:50:51,988
Ooh.

834
00:50:53,209 --> 00:50:54,269
I like it.

835
00:50:56,128 --> 00:50:59,209
As a kid, I was always hoping someone would pick me up

836
00:50:59,209 --> 00:51:01,349
because I felt like I don't belong here.

837
00:51:01,428 --> 00:51:02,128
What is that?

838
00:51:02,128 --> 00:51:02,968
It's chaotic.

839
00:51:02,968 --> 00:51:08,369
it's distressed what is that even everyone's fighting all the time i'm not here for that

840
00:51:08,369 --> 00:51:13,888
please pick me up bring me home i was convinced that my family was aliens at one point when i was

841
00:51:13,888 --> 00:51:25,209
like seven like they didn't tell us but we were but um the other side of all that is um

842
00:51:25,209 --> 00:51:30,309
this also was a very dissident counterculture thing that the government was worried about

843
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:36,269
the United States government, and they were infiltrating that because going out to the

844
00:51:36,269 --> 00:51:42,089
desert from the city, living communally, even for the week or the weekend or for longer,

845
00:51:43,329 --> 00:51:48,829
you know, meditating and like kind of blowing off money and all that in the rat race, that

846
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:49,948
was a threat, you know.

847
00:51:50,349 --> 00:51:56,069
And so they infiltrated that with some of the very early versions of COINTELPRO, which

848
00:51:56,069 --> 00:52:04,988
is an FBI program that they then used against some of the African-American who are trying

849
00:52:04,988 --> 00:52:09,008
to get justice and a bunch of other people who are alleged communists.

850
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:11,349
So it's your spirituality.

851
00:52:11,869 --> 00:52:15,148
You can't, you know, you can talk about one, but they're all connected, right?

852
00:52:15,209 --> 00:52:16,908
Spiritual, political, physical.

853
00:52:16,908 --> 00:52:27,169
so so yeah but the spirituality of the 60s also led to that kind of grab back philosophy of like

854
00:52:27,169 --> 00:52:33,049
well i'm a little bit buddhist take a touch of jesus some maybe some of the old world jewish

855
00:52:33,049 --> 00:52:39,108
stuff is good and then mix them all together and i'll have my custom-made religion yeah i like that

856
00:52:39,108 --> 00:52:45,209
and then we can worship ai soon in a few years yes according to my friend on uh facebook he said

857
00:52:45,209 --> 00:52:49,029
that there's going to be some kind of super intelligence coming in the next three to five years.

858
00:52:49,569 --> 00:52:54,689
And that AI itself was saying that it's possible that people will worship that.

859
00:52:55,448 --> 00:53:00,329
Yeah, I guess we will all worship it at one point if it tries to kill us.

860
00:53:00,329 --> 00:53:02,508
But you know what I think is funny?

861
00:53:03,269 --> 00:53:08,749
In November, there is a huge alien fleet coming towards Earth, they said.

862
00:53:08,928 --> 00:53:10,789
And November, they will be here to fight us.

863
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:12,448
So I'm looking forward to November.

864
00:53:12,448 --> 00:53:15,269
and other thing I

865
00:53:15,269 --> 00:53:17,029
picked up is Iran

866
00:53:17,029 --> 00:53:18,269
says

867
00:53:18,269 --> 00:53:21,389
white tall

868
00:53:21,389 --> 00:53:23,269
Nazi aliens are running

869
00:53:23,269 --> 00:53:25,329
the USA. I think it's

870
00:53:25,329 --> 00:53:26,988
beautiful what's going out

871
00:53:26,988 --> 00:53:29,069
what's going on out there. It's

872
00:53:29,069 --> 00:53:31,289
hilarious. Sometimes I think

873
00:53:31,289 --> 00:53:32,209
people are so

874
00:53:32,209 --> 00:53:35,269
freaked out by what is happening on this

875
00:53:35,269 --> 00:53:37,189
planet because it's too much. We have

876
00:53:37,189 --> 00:53:39,269
access to every piece of information

877
00:53:39,269 --> 00:53:41,229
out there. People are

878
00:53:41,229 --> 00:53:43,749
is getting more and more insane.

879
00:53:44,148 --> 00:53:45,249
It's like insanity.

880
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:46,988
Yeah, and a lot of disinformation.

881
00:53:47,948 --> 00:53:48,209
Yeah.

882
00:53:49,289 --> 00:53:52,289
We will see in November if it is disinformation.

883
00:53:53,148 --> 00:53:53,908
So what is now?

884
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:54,628
It's July.

885
00:53:55,029 --> 00:53:56,069
So we have August.

886
00:53:56,249 --> 00:53:56,749
I don't know.

887
00:53:56,749 --> 00:53:57,968
We have a couple of more months.

888
00:53:58,349 --> 00:53:59,608
You know, people are...

889
00:53:59,608 --> 00:54:02,029
It's like those people who are predicting the end of the earth.

890
00:54:02,189 --> 00:54:03,008
They're always wrong.

891
00:54:03,189 --> 00:54:03,529
Yeah, true.

892
00:54:03,529 --> 00:54:03,689
So far.

893
00:54:03,849 --> 00:54:04,289
So far.

894
00:54:04,589 --> 00:54:05,508
So far.

895
00:54:06,209 --> 00:54:09,809
Someone will be right at some point because nothing lasts forever.

896
00:54:11,229 --> 00:54:14,669
I would like to see these aliens running the USA.

897
00:54:16,169 --> 00:54:18,189
The Aryan ones or the good ones?

898
00:54:18,189 --> 00:54:18,448
Yeah.

899
00:54:18,988 --> 00:54:20,029
Oh, all of them.

900
00:54:20,389 --> 00:54:21,049
All of them?

901
00:54:21,468 --> 00:54:23,709
I would like to meet all of them.

902
00:54:24,289 --> 00:54:25,508
Right, right.

903
00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:28,128
If President Trump can meet them, why can't I?

904
00:54:28,908 --> 00:54:29,648
Did he meet them?

905
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:33,549
He must if they control the country.

906
00:54:34,408 --> 00:54:35,889
Or how do they do it?

907
00:54:36,529 --> 00:54:40,529
Like, do they have a chip inside his body somewhere controlling him?

908
00:54:41,229 --> 00:54:41,988
That would be insane.

909
00:54:43,108 --> 00:54:47,849
Well, this is off of my pay grade, as they say.

910
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:50,269
True.

911
00:54:51,229 --> 00:54:51,889
I don't know.

912
00:54:51,968 --> 00:54:52,408
I don't know.

913
00:54:52,529 --> 00:54:53,209
So let's see.

914
00:54:53,908 --> 00:54:54,209
I mean.

915
00:54:54,369 --> 00:54:56,508
Maybe there's one more thing I want to ask you.

916
00:54:56,508 --> 00:55:01,108
Because related to kids and how they are brought up.

917
00:55:01,488 --> 00:55:07,089
And I think in this community, it's often like the kids don't belong to their parents anymore.

918
00:55:07,089 --> 00:55:12,329
but they belong to the community because they are not really couples anymore and these kind of things.

919
00:55:12,488 --> 00:55:16,648
So I've witnessed some of these communities living like that.

920
00:55:16,729 --> 00:55:20,508
And I saw that these kids are super happy because everyone cares for them.

921
00:55:20,769 --> 00:55:21,789
Everyone loves them.

922
00:55:22,408 --> 00:55:25,889
And it didn't feel wrong, to be honest.

923
00:55:25,968 --> 00:55:27,269
It felt like a tribe.

924
00:55:27,448 --> 00:55:30,549
And we visited some tribes in the jungle and I saw it.

925
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:36,628
I mean, everyone has their parents, but the community is caring much more for the kids than we are used to it.

926
00:55:37,089 --> 00:55:41,169
now in our everyday life. So I think that's something beautiful. How did you,

927
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:48,988
I don't know, see that or, yeah. Yeah, it's a whole nother thing. And maybe this release will

928
00:55:48,988 --> 00:55:56,869
lead to the film about the kids, you know. One thing I remember that was a plus in that realm

929
00:55:56,869 --> 00:56:00,709
was that somebody, this didn't make it into the film, right? So there's all that footage.

930
00:56:01,229 --> 00:56:05,468
Was that like, it was great because I had a number of mothers. I don't think it's in the

931
00:56:05,468 --> 00:56:12,349
And so if my mom, my birth mom said, no, I could just go to another mother to get permission for something.

932
00:56:13,448 --> 00:56:14,529
That's pretty appealing.

933
00:56:14,948 --> 00:56:15,128
Yeah.

934
00:56:15,249 --> 00:56:25,468
I mean, the whole, there was that whole thing in the sixties and also like the kibbutz, kibbutzim, the kibbutz movement and all that to like stop the nuclear family.

935
00:56:26,729 --> 00:56:27,889
What did they call it?

936
00:56:27,908 --> 00:56:29,589
Like programming or encoding.

937
00:56:29,849 --> 00:56:31,349
They had a better word for it.

938
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:43,589
And so to try to break that bond, and that's what the Shiva Leela were up to, unfortunately led by an egotistical, dark force kind of character, in my opinion.

939
00:56:44,089 --> 00:56:49,829
But, you know, a lot of people were trying to break that bond and go back to a more tribal culture, for sure.

940
00:56:50,089 --> 00:56:50,789
And still, right?

941
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:56,169
You have Burning Man and you have a Burning Man, the Rainbow family, all these people who are living tribally.

942
00:56:57,089 --> 00:56:58,829
So it's not unusual.

943
00:56:58,829 --> 00:57:01,908
So the kids had a mixed experience from what I've learned.

944
00:57:02,089 --> 00:57:07,948
Aaron, who's coming to the screenings in the Bay Area, Aaron Marley, he talked about both sides.

945
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:11,049
You know, there were some dark sides of it for him as well.

946
00:57:11,169 --> 00:57:12,908
Sometimes the kids weren't taken care of.

947
00:57:12,988 --> 00:57:15,329
The goats were wandering around and we were wandering around.

948
00:57:15,608 --> 00:57:19,148
You know, it's like a little unsupervised.

949
00:57:19,289 --> 00:57:20,008
Maybe that's OK.

950
00:57:20,128 --> 00:57:21,988
Maybe kids are over supervised now.

951
00:57:22,508 --> 00:57:23,669
Yeah, I guess.

952
00:57:23,669 --> 00:57:24,869
It seems like it.

953
00:57:24,869 --> 00:57:28,948
Like in the States, they're like, well, three to four, Timmy has his judo class.

954
00:57:29,488 --> 00:57:31,468
Four to five, he's going to take his flute.

955
00:57:31,709 --> 00:57:34,948
You know, it's like, whoa, we used to just play in abandoned buildings.

956
00:57:35,608 --> 00:57:38,148
Yes, we are doing this right now.

957
00:57:38,249 --> 00:57:41,289
We have an adventure plan for the upcoming weeks.

958
00:57:41,289 --> 00:57:49,148
It sounds crazy, but I'm really into really sticking to my adventure plans because I really want to see stuff here and then move on.

959
00:57:49,148 --> 00:57:50,749
and first thing is

960
00:57:50,749 --> 00:57:53,209
places to look out for

961
00:57:53,209 --> 00:57:55,049
like World War II bunkers

962
00:57:55,049 --> 00:57:56,689
and these kind of things. Explore

963
00:57:56,689 --> 00:57:59,029
like there are villages

964
00:57:59,029 --> 00:58:00,608
where nobody lives anymore.

965
00:58:01,128 --> 00:58:02,869
That's crazy. Whole villages

966
00:58:02,869 --> 00:58:04,549
you can go there and you can

967
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:07,148
play zombie apocalypse and these kind of

968
00:58:07,148 --> 00:58:08,729
things. Can you live there?

969
00:58:09,249 --> 00:58:11,089
Yeah, why not I guess. We will try

970
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:12,369
to for a weekend.

971
00:58:13,309 --> 00:58:14,988
For the weekend. That's so fun.

972
00:58:15,089 --> 00:58:15,508
In Portugal.

973
00:58:17,468 --> 00:58:18,329
Let's see. Maybe

974
00:58:18,329 --> 00:58:23,008
make a little movie out of it but you should because you know that is another thing about

975
00:58:23,008 --> 00:58:27,869
since the film came out back then i remember we were like i was like yeah let's put the film in

976
00:58:27,869 --> 00:58:31,709
theater so we put the film in theater so my company which was essentially me and some interns

977
00:58:31,709 --> 00:58:37,169
were listed as the among the like 12 film distributors in the united states that year

978
00:58:37,169 --> 00:58:42,069
it was hilarious in variety it was like universal pictures paramount five points pictures it was

979
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:48,889
like bizarre and um uh but a lot has changed and now uh everyone's a filmmaker like i tell everyone

980
00:58:48,889 --> 00:58:53,729
at cal state where i still teach in the winter months which is a great time to teach in california

981
00:58:53,729 --> 00:58:59,008
southern california um i tell my students like we're all filmmakers guys even if you're becoming

982
00:58:59,008 --> 00:59:03,669
a mechanic or plumber whatever you're gonna make something and put it on youtube about here's a

983
00:59:03,669 --> 00:59:08,428
quick fix for your car and if you can't figure it out come down to my shop you know so we we all

984
00:59:08,428 --> 00:59:12,849
are storytellers and we all have we don't all i shouldn't say that but many people have phones

985
00:59:12,849 --> 00:59:18,069
that have video on it and even editing on it and you can do it all on the phone you know it's crazy

986
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:26,189
so it was a huge revolution since then true it's an over projection of content i feel like it

987
00:59:26,948 --> 00:59:35,209
that's true that's why it makes it harder to cut through you know yeah for sure it's a lot of noise

988
00:59:35,209 --> 00:59:37,789
And this is why I like this off-grid living style.

989
00:59:38,249 --> 00:59:41,508
If you have internet, okay, it changes the situation a little bit.

990
00:59:42,249 --> 00:59:42,309
Yeah.

991
00:59:42,488 --> 00:59:49,369
But if not, you're just with yourself in your tripe or whatever you're living with.

992
00:59:49,709 --> 00:59:50,448
I really like that.

993
00:59:50,889 --> 00:59:53,569
And somebody else told me they were like a hermit or something.

994
00:59:53,648 --> 00:59:55,769
I was like, well, you know, they're actually, I was thinking about it.

995
00:59:56,029 --> 00:59:58,029
There was a guy who was like a hermit at Black Bear.

996
00:59:58,889 --> 01:00:02,769
So that's like the whole anarchistic, yeah, John Salter, I believe,

997
01:00:02,769 --> 01:00:04,408
just kind of lived off in his cabin.

998
01:00:04,569 --> 01:00:04,908
It was great.

999
01:00:04,908 --> 01:00:08,869
He went there and he had guns and moose parts.

1000
01:00:09,229 --> 01:00:12,769
It was just like real kind of country living.

1001
01:00:12,908 --> 01:00:14,928
And he was a writer and he just didn't want to deal with people.

1002
01:00:15,608 --> 01:00:21,468
So there should be space for the hermits and the people who just want to be left the fuck alone too.

1003
01:00:22,329 --> 01:00:24,948
In our new society that we're creating.

1004
01:00:25,729 --> 01:00:27,329
True, true, true.

1005
01:00:27,769 --> 01:00:28,669
I really like that.

1006
01:00:28,669 --> 01:00:38,448
so yes what else can we uh say about where people can find you or your content your movies i mean

1007
01:00:38,448 --> 01:00:45,229
in theaters now you mentioned that and i will put uh links to your work and everything in the

1008
01:00:45,229 --> 01:00:51,389
podcast description for everyone to find with one click is there anything else i forgot maybe

1009
01:00:51,389 --> 01:00:56,628
i mean i had so many questions and i still have like millions of them but maybe you will be on

1010
01:00:56,628 --> 01:01:02,389
my show a second time to talk about the other film about the earthlings anytime anytime that

1011
01:01:02,389 --> 01:01:09,769
would be major so for now i think we covered so many things it's incredible oh my god yeah

1012
01:01:09,769 --> 01:01:13,508
i really love it i need to go be a hermit on a commune after this

1013
01:01:13,508 --> 01:01:20,648
you asked where to find me the probably uh commune the movie is the simplest

1014
01:01:20,648 --> 01:01:26,189
on in stock perfect uh i don't love it but it's you know what people like and we're putting out

1015
01:01:26,189 --> 01:01:27,488
clips and schedules.

1016
01:01:28,209 --> 01:01:29,968
Come in the movie.com has the

1017
01:01:29,968 --> 01:01:31,508
schedules if people are in the States.

1018
01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:34,269
The best way to contact me

1019
01:01:34,269 --> 01:01:35,968
might be through my school email

1020
01:01:35,968 --> 01:01:38,349
because that's super solid when I teach.

1021
01:01:38,589 --> 01:01:40,508
Come take classes in California.

1022
01:01:40,769 --> 01:01:41,829
J Berman at

1023
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:44,729
CSUSM.com

1024
01:01:44,729 --> 01:01:46,169
Cal State University

1025
01:01:46,169 --> 01:01:47,809
San Marcos.

1026
01:01:48,269 --> 01:01:50,108
Oh, sorry. .edu, not .com.

1027
01:01:50,589 --> 01:01:52,488
Hasn't gone calm yet. It's still EDU.

1028
01:01:53,269 --> 01:01:54,049
That's cool.

1029
01:01:54,529 --> 01:01:56,169
Yeah. I like it.

1030
01:01:56,189 --> 01:01:58,249
you'll find me at the farmer's market too

1031
01:01:58,249 --> 01:02:00,988
you won't find me there

1032
01:02:00,988 --> 01:02:02,968
you will find me here in the supermarket

1033
01:02:02,968 --> 01:02:05,229
being annoyed by all the plastic products

1034
01:02:05,229 --> 01:02:07,249
we're going to find you some farmers

1035
01:02:07,249 --> 01:02:09,829
we're going to share their crops

1036
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:11,968
yeah I'm going to find a boat

1037
01:02:11,968 --> 01:02:13,189
to bring me somewhere else

1038
01:02:13,189 --> 01:02:14,169
that is I think

1039
01:02:14,169 --> 01:02:18,108
it's like I'll just go to the supermarkets

1040
01:02:18,108 --> 01:02:19,089
for the next few weeks

1041
01:02:19,089 --> 01:02:20,428
and then we'll get the hell out of here soon

1042
01:02:20,428 --> 01:02:22,809
yeah that is what it is

1043
01:02:22,809 --> 01:02:24,789
yeah you have to deal with this stuff

1044
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:27,069
I'm not going to lie.

1045
01:02:27,249 --> 01:02:29,349
It's not staying forever here.

1046
01:02:29,709 --> 01:02:30,569
I feel like that.

1047
01:02:30,569 --> 01:02:33,069
And I think that you as are

1048
01:02:33,069 --> 01:02:34,928
almost a descendant of this world

1049
01:02:34,928 --> 01:02:37,189
in the film because it's like creating your own reality.

1050
01:02:37,988 --> 01:02:38,349
Yes.

1051
01:02:38,349 --> 01:02:39,148
For sure.

1052
01:02:40,369 --> 01:02:40,869
For sure.

1053
01:02:40,988 --> 01:02:42,689
And this is what I took from the movie.

1054
01:02:43,289 --> 01:02:45,648
Do your own thing.

1055
01:02:45,809 --> 01:02:47,069
Create your own reality

1056
01:02:47,069 --> 01:02:48,389
and live it.

1057
01:02:48,529 --> 01:02:49,468
It's so courageous.

1058
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:50,488
I love it.

1059
01:02:50,488 --> 01:02:55,108
so thank you so so much for being on my show

1060
01:02:55,108 --> 01:02:56,608
and taking all of that time

1061
01:02:56,608 --> 01:02:58,608
really appreciate it

1062
01:02:58,608 --> 01:02:59,968
thank you

1063
01:02:59,968 --> 01:03:02,148
great talking with you

1064
01:03:02,148 --> 01:03:04,008
thank you so much

1065
01:03:04,008 --> 01:03:07,169
so let's see what it says

1066
01:03:07,169 --> 01:03:16,628
thank you so much for listening

1067
01:03:16,628 --> 01:03:24,148
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1068
01:03:24,148 --> 01:03:30,428
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1069
01:03:30,428 --> 01:03:36,589
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1070
01:03:36,589 --> 01:03:42,549
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1071
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:43,889
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1072
01:03:44,448 --> 01:03:46,389
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1073
01:03:46,389 --> 01:03:47,709
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1074
01:03:47,709 --> 01:03:48,709
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1075
01:03:49,428 --> 01:03:51,589
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1076
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:53,349
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1077
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:55,988
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1078
01:03:56,809 --> 01:03:58,729
Have fun and see you soon.

1079
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:09,908
Unschooling with my mom.

1080
01:04:13,508 --> 01:04:15,709
She won't.

1081
01:04:16,289 --> 01:04:19,289
She changed my pressureŞ 샀out at the end.

1082
01:04:19,648 --> 01:04:23,049
Now I'll have to cut your mind over and over.