if your price isn't your life, then you can be bought.
if you don't own your integrity above the monetary price on it,
then you don't own it at all.
And then you can be bought.
It's just about finding the price.
But for some people, integrity trumps everything.
just because that's how they find purpose and meaning in the world, personally, I
can't think of any worse thing than not respecting myself or not, living up to
what I demand from myself or from others.
once you legitimize forcefully.
Restricting people's freedom over a narrative of risk.
It's game over because that's, that's a slide that it never stops midway.
It stops at complete prison world.
I think that that was also a good thing that more people probably have made
their observations and reflections on the dynamic between freedom and, and safety.
hodlonaut, welcome to the Freedom Footprint show for
our special hundredth episode.
Thanks a lot for joining us.
Thank you guys, looking forward to chatting.
Now just to be clear, this, this man over here, uh, or this cat over
here, is a, uh, an entity who claims to be Hodlonaut, the infamous Mr.
Cat.
Uh, as far as I know, there's no, like, real evidence that he is, or isn't.
Uh, so, so, are you planning on, like, uh, going to court with that, and,
and figuring out what the actual truth about you being Hodlonaut really is?
I don't see any way out of it, to be honest, I mean, the truth.
Must come out.
So yeah,
Yeah, it's, it's not as simple as just signing a bunch of, uh, private
keys, or signing a message, uh, like, uh, that would be too easy, right?
You need, like, years in court to finally
yeah, very different steps to this process, you know, including like
thesis samples and, uh, stuff like that.
So it's, yeah, it'll be a process.
And, uh, there, there's so many programs you have to have in order
to, you know, uh, retroactively, uh, make the correct documents to prove
that something happened 10 years ago.
Exactly.
It's, uh, it's, it's a lot of work.
Proof of work.
Yeah.
I think, I think we will end up in a good place.
I think so too.
. Well, in all, in all serious, dear Mr.
Kat.
Um, I, I know you're not a, a vengeful spirit, but how do you
feel now that the, uh, that we.
Are actually, provably, all Satoshi, except one person on earth.
I mean, that's been my truth and your truth and all of my
friends truth for a long time.
So, I don't really feel much different, you know, nothing
changed, uh, in regards to facts.
But, uh, of course, it's, uh, it's a huge, joy, I would say, to see, uh, Truth
establishing itself outside of us who always knew and to see, you know, the,
the tip of the dildo consequences starting to, you know, tease, tease a little bit.
it seldom arrives lubed, does it?
That old
I think this one is going to be extra unlooped.
Yeah, and I heard that that judge has ordered his funds frozen, which
is like double hilarious, right?
Yeah, uh, it's, uh, it's, it sounds crazy.
Worldwide freezing order on, on his assets.
I think, I don't think it's often that a UK judge goes to that step, to
be honest, I have no idea, like, how it will be executed and what type of
power UK courts have internationally, probably significant, but it
obviously underlines I don't know.
Quite a few things about Craig Wright, as the judge explicitly
said in his freezing order judgment.
So there will be nothing left to the imagination in regards of who
and what Craig Wright is after we get the final written judgment
in a couple of weeks, hopefully.
But, uh, yeah, it's, it's hilarious that the guy, you know, instantly after getting
this unexpected, uh, verbal judgment from the bench saying that Craig is not Satoshi
and so on, he immediately started, you know, to try to evade the UK with his, uh,
remaining funds, uh, probably some pocket money he got from, from Calvin, uh, after
Calvin got bored of funding all this shit.
Do you think you could give us a, uh, uh, for any of our listeners who aren't aware
of some of the backstory, a short TLDR on, uh, all the backstory of this and,
uh, how you got unfortunately involved?
Yeah, I can do a super short one because.
I'm sure a lot of people are getting bored with this story, me including,
uh, I do very much look forward to not talking about this shit anymore, but uh,
as long as it's a thing, it's a thing, and it's not, I mean, I can only control my
own actions and I'm still in too active lawsuit, so very short summary in 2019
I tweeted that Craig Wright is a fraud.
And they decided to, uh, uh, go after me legally.
They wanted me to apologize to Craig and, uh, say that he is Satoshi
Nakamoto, or else they would dox me and, uh, take me to court.
And, uh, I never, obviously, was willing to say that he is Satoshi Nakamoto.
So, five years later now, uh, yesterday actually marked five year
Anniversary to the day, uh, when I first received these threats.
Um, so it's been a really long fight in the justice system, so
Norway and United Kingdom, and, uh, I've gotten to test my own stamina
and, uh, I don't know my own, uh.
Willingness to put my head on the chopping block.
Um, and, but most importantly, you know, it's been an amazing journey
to see and feel all the support from Bitcoiners who helped me stand strong.
So I'm definitely, this has been another one of those kind
of a blessing in disguise.
I mean, it's not totally not a blessing to have five years of
your life disrupted like this, but when you approach it stoically.
There are blessings to be found on the road, and a lot of them, and I
really, I feel better and stronger now than I did five years ago, so, happy.
Now, that's great to hear.
Um, and, but this, this trial in the UK now where, where, uh, Craig was
proven not to be Satoshi, uh, that had very little to do with you, right?
Yeah, my cases were libel cases, are libel cases.
I mean, to say they had nothing to do with me is like a truth with
modifications, I guess, because Throughout the trial, my Norwegian trial
against Greg was mentioned extensively.
It was, I did a search in the skeleton closing arguments from COPA, and
my case was referenced more than 70 times in the closing arguments.
And, uh, you know, even in this written judgment from the judge yesterday, it was
referred to Craig's conduct in my case.
So it's, it, my case has definitely helped, you know, COPPA establish this
web of lies and deceit and kind of forced Craig and his witnesses to, to
contradict themselves several times.
So even though the case.
My cases are still ongoing after this.
I will have to make them go away on my own.
But, uh, yeah, I think, I think my efforts helped, uh, COPPA and that made me happy.
Yeah.
And what does COPPA stand for?
Crypto Open Patent Alliance.
It was formed, you know, to protect, uh, Bitcoin entities from, uh,
hostile law fair based on patent trolling and shit, which, uh, was one
of the strategies that, uh, Craig, uh, and m Chain were aiming for.
yeah.
Uh, so.
Yeah, I guess Craig's chances are, against you now, are practically zero, right?
it would seem so, it's, I mean, he's now declared.
Basically reading the judge's judgments now is almost like reading
my tweets from five years ago.
So, I don't know.
Let's see what they can do.
If they want to go forward in the courts, I'm going to be there.
I don't know.
I think it boils down to how much they want to harass me now.
I
Calvin Air, has he said anything at this point?
Like what's his, uh, he's tired of paying him, you said?
Like what, what indications do we have from, from that camp?
mean, this CEO, Kristian Agerhansen, who became a whistleblower last
autumn, he has leaked a lot of emails, including one from Calvin to Craig,
where Calvin basically said, you know, Craig, you're going to lose so badly.
I'm pissed at you for losing so badly.
I'm tired of wasting my children's inheritance on your wrecked lawsuits
and I'm the only person standing between you and the soup kitchen, he wrote.
Uh, so he was pissed with Craig's lack of success.
Uh, but I found it funny that, you know, the day after Craig was deemed to be
not Satoshi by the judge, Unexpectedly, because everyone was expecting a written
judgment, but the judge basically said the evidence is so overwhelming that
I basically, I can just give you these facts right now to do this not Satoshi.
And the day after, uh, Calvin announced on Twitter that, uh, he had been
planning this, this trip for a long time.
So now he was, you know, bye bye guys.
I'm going on this trip, I've been planning it for a long time.
So he disappeared from Twitter the day after that, and now he has
some, some team tweeting for him.
I
Ah, what a, what a clusterfuck the whole thing is.
Uh, yeah, so I've seen, In the aftermath of this, when, when, um, when it was
finally quote unquote proven that Craig was not associated, which should have
been obvious to so many people for such a long time, you've seen people from
the BSV camp and from the BCH camp, uh, sort of, uh, coming out on Twitter now
and saying, oh, I'm sorry I was wrong.
I was duped, and, uh, it wasn't my fault.
Please let me back into the proper Bitcoin community.
What's your reaction to that?
mean, I don't know.
I don't hold many grudges, to be honest, there are certain people that
I wanna see consequences being brought to, you know, the central players,
but, uh, I mean, humans are generally able To get scammed very hard, and uh,
they're also able to hold on to scam bags for a long time to not, you know,
face the, face directors basically.
So, I feel sorry for them.
Many of these BSV people, and obviously this is a big part of why I tweeted
so actively back in 2019 about this subject, because I wanted to warn
people because I saw some people selling their BTC and buying into
this BSV thing, which is really bad.
So of course, a lot of people have lost everything.
BSV is down something like 98 percent against BTC from the tops.
So, I don't know, sunk cost fallacy, the pain of realizing
that you lost everything.
I think that's what's been holding a lot of people in this cult until
now, but I'm happy to see, like, the cult is really, seems to be imploding
from the inside at this point.
Yeah, it reminds me of that Mark Twain quote, it's easier to
fool a person than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Uh, which is very much the case here, I think.
That's a, that's a phenomenon that you see a lot in the, the crypto sphere so to say.
It's all that, right?
It's, it's the scammers themselves, themselves, and then there are
people who, uh, are hard to convince that they have been fooled.
Yes.
So, uh, like, like, do you have any plans for what's, what's, for you in the future?
Like, uh, are you, are you making, uh, like, plans for what happens
after your life is de ruined?
My life was never ruined and that's, uh, that's, I never gave
them that, uh, win, you know?
Uh, and I think, yeah, I mean, we've been hanging out throughout this
journey, Knut, and you know that my spirits have never been broken, so.
No, no, you're my, you're my hero, man.
I mean, uh, it's, uh, you're such a fucking great example to everyone here
in how to tackle things like this.
And I didn't mean your life being ruined, but time was stolen
from your life for a long time.
Like, yeah, you have to give him that.
He managed to steal your time.
He managed to, you know, uh, dictate which cards I was dealt at a certain
point in my life, and I've been able, I had to just, you know, deal with those
cards and play those cards as best as I could, but, um, I know, I understand
your question, and, uh, I don't really have big ambitions of doing huge things
in this, in this space, to be honest, you know, I, I, I love hanging out with my
friends and my family and, uh, talking about being a part of the community.
Of course, I fully intend to continue that, but, I can't say I have these
grand plans of, uh, doing wild things.
I'll probably, you know, be sitting here calling out bullshit artists in
five years, just like I've been doing.
Uh, I do have a job now in the Bitcoin space.
I can show that briefly.
I work for the Bitcoin advisor, helping people with the custody, helping
people get their coins off exchanges.
So I will have more time to dedicate to work like that.
Going forward, but mostly, you know, I will just, uh, enjoy life.
Yeah, we're, we just signed up for that, uh, me and Luke too, so we're,
or, uh, quite a while back now.
Uh, I mean, we're also Bitcoin advisors.
We're all Bitcoin advisors here.
I didn't know that.
So we are colleagues?
Is that what you're saying?
We're colleagues.
We are
Hey, awesome.
Amazing.
It is awesome.
And I guess, uh,
colleagues hanging around the water cooler right now.
it is.
We're, we're around the water cooler here.
Yeah.
And, uh, uh, I mean, people will still be wrong on the internet, right?
So you do have that job as well.
Yeah.
And, it has been extremely important and I 100 percent think it will
continue to be important that people speak their mind in, uh, in Bitcoin.
The meat, the meat space, the meat layer of Bitcoin is an integral
part of Bitcoin, obviously.
And we do need people to be brave and to stand up and say unpopular things and
call out popular people, uh, slay heroes.
Because these meat space narratives, if the wrong shit takes hold, it can
still harm Bitcoin, in my opinion.
And just, you know, to have hundreds or thousands of cyber hornets continuously
picking apart the small lies and the big lies, I think it's It's
important in Bitcoin and it's important in the world outside of Bitcoin.
So uh, yeah, and Bitcoiners are good at it and uh, I intend to continue speaking
my mind at least as much as I can.
100 percent yeah, that's, that's crucial and uh, yeah, that's one, one
of the things that I fell in love with, with this space, uh, the, the ability
to slay your heroes and speak your mind like that so many people had.
By the way, I saw, uh, Roger Veer showed up in my Twitter feed the other day.
I mean, it's been a while, uh, do we expect the resurgence of
other shitty shitcoin narratives now that, that Craig is gone?
I don't know.
I think so.
I think, you know, like in the, almost like a metaphor for how terrible
fashion ideas come back after everyone forgets how bad ideas they were.
Yeah, this Roger Ware thing.
What the fuck is that?
Now he's like being whitewashed into some kind of dude that, you know,
he's such a crusader for freedom.
I see like Bitcoiners retweeting Roger Ware shit now.
Uh, like how Roger Ware, Bitcoin was never a get quick, a get rich quick scheme.
It was a get free quick scheme.
Go fuck yourself, Roger Ware, you know.
I vividly remember his attack on Bitcoin, and it was way more
serious than what Craig Wright did.
managed to do.
I think Bitcoin was actually under threat for real back in 17.
And, uh, the methods that he and, uh, his side used were sinister
as fuck and organized as fuck.
And they were, they were funded like, you know, God knows how much
money was lost in that attack.
But, you know, to, to see people like, uh, yeah, I'm not going to mention any names,
but I, I just was, became aware of this today and I've seen certain people that I
respected and that I would never think was this blind to history or, you know, it,
it, it doesn't even make sense to me how they are giving Roger I'm A platform and
basically joining this whole small blocker toxic Maxis is a problem, you know,
we, we need to bring the big blockers back and bring their narratives back.
Like, what the fuck?
It's, it annoys me.
and the block size was increased with SegWit.
Like, the limit was
absolutely was, so the attack was, in some way, slightly successful.
Yeah.
I think the only one I remember fighting for smaller blocks was, uh, Luke.
Mhm.
back in the day.
Not
Oh no, not that Luke, another Luke
Even though I was told I looked like him multiple times on Madeira, that was
Yeah.
You look like him.
Yes.
You look like him.
That's what you do.
Yeah.
look, they look very similar.
Yes.
You, you look minded.
And, uh, and
Look, mate.
you're a lookalike.
seriously, the, the, the, the, with, uh, with, uh, with Luke though and
everything, uh, him being the, the only one advocating, as you say, for smaller,
Blocks, now is the, uh, basically Luke and Ocean Mining are now sort of at this
forefront of, of, uh, the, the, this fight against, uh, as Knut likes to put it,
Schrodinger's JPEGs, uh, you, you have any thoughts on, uh, this particular issue?
I absolutely do.
I'm, I refrained from taking, when it comes to, you know, the, the filtering,
uh, question, uh, or as it's framed, you know, the censorship question from, from
the other side, it's, it's felt to me a little bit like almost like it was bait,
you know, that they wanted to bait people into starting to filter out this shit
instead of letting it die organically It was and is extremely inorganic.
The moment, if you know, a huge part of the Bitcoin ecosystem
started filtering this bullshit, it would be an amazing way to divide.
Because they would have, if not a fully, fully fleshed out, uh, argument.
They would have an argument that would land with a lot of people.
This is censorship, this is anti Bitcoin, you know.
Uh, look at these people.
It would be a very powerful way to split the community further.
And so, so I kind of prefer to take the stance that this, this is bad faith.
This is, in my opinion, probably funded.
You know, this mass printing of JPEGs, but, uh, I think it's not a
good idea to mount To try to, you know, counter it too forcefully, I
think it will go away on its own.
And there's also, you know, the truth that the future will
bring very high on chain fees.
That's, that's not the question.
So we have to start digesting that reality too.
And if it, it doesn't mean it's okay to prematurely introduce it, but Uh,
yeah, I'm, I'm, I appreciate that that ocean mining was spun up and that they
do what they do, but I also appreciate that they have remained kind of like a
niche part of the whole, uh, ecosystem.
I almost totally agree to this.
I, I, I also think that the whole debate is very manufactured and very, it's,
it's a whole, the whole narrative that there is a, a war at all, and that
there is, uh, two different sides to a problem that is obviously creating,
as you say, this, this rift between confused people and less confused people.
Yes.
For those of you.
Yeah.
how it gets.
Yeah.
Nice.
So, so, uh, I think the filters themselves though are, are,
um, are probably a good thing.
Uh, every time we find a block that doesn't have this bullshit,
it's, it's a win for Bitcoin.
And I mean, the filters are, filters are applied, bottom up
right in a decentralized manner.
It's, uh.
It's, it, it is, and it should always be the, the choice of the pool, which filters
they run, and then it's the choice of hash rate, which pool they wanna mine with.
So it's, it's not really an issue.
Uh, but it, it could be very easily be, be spun into a big issue.
Yeah.
The, the stance we're firmly taking here, like, we're, we're talking, me and Luke
talk a lot about this and the, like, the, the stance we're really, Aligned on here
is that we want to differentiate between a miner and a hash salesman because you
have to choose which, which you are.
You can't really call yourself a Bitcoin miner.
If you don't decide on what block to mine on like that, then you're not a miner.
You're just selling your computer power to someone else.
I agree.
But then, uh, have you discussed at which point this, uh, like at which
point you move from being a hash rate salesman to, to a minor, like, because.
Uh, I mean, uh, there are two polar opposites here, of course, like, you
know, you'd actually be, like, just mining without being in a pool, then
you're a miner, but, I mean, you will have zero chance of mining a block,
uh, but, uh, on the other hand, you know, you're just blindly mining with
some fucked up pool that So, yeah.
That's it.
has maybe a bad policy than your hashrate salesman, but where, like, what do we
need to be able to call a person a minor?
Transparency, like from the pool, like, like, um, if, if, if, if
the hash salesman is totally aware of what the, the pool is doing.
And then they can claim to be a miner, but, but like, if they can't, if they
don't know what's coming in the block until the block is actually mined,
then they're not miners, they're hash salesmen, like, and, but as
you say, it's a tricky distinction.
Because you can agree to parts of what the pool is doing, but not all of it.
And, and the, the, the pools can be very deceitful, like they, uh,
and this is what's going on, right?
They're getting paid off band.
They're getting paid off chain.
And the miner never sees that, those transactions because they're,
they're simply not to be seen.
So, uh, and this is the problem with incentives and, and if Bitcoin was only
money and didn't try to be anything else, which, which should be the case,
like this is the power of Bitcoin and why shit coins are, are failing.
Like it's a huge part of it that Bitcoin does not try to
be anything, but, you know.
Number that you keep in your head and give to someone else at some
point, and 21 million, all that.
Resistance to replicability, uh, as soon as you introduce, like, other use cases,
that will dilute the value of Bitcoin as value free money, or wertfrei money.
Uh, so, uh, So there is, like, I mean, I definitely categorize, uh, Monkey JPEGs
and BRC20 tokens and whatnot as spam.
There's no debate about that.
They are spam.
There's no such thing as a rare sat.
There's, just as there's no such thing as a rare centimeter.
Like, uh, it's, it's just a way of measuring, uh, something.
It's, uh, they aren't, they aren't there even.
The difference from the conventional use of the word spam is that there
is little or no skin in the game with email spam, for example.
But with this type of spam, it costs their shirts, you know, to do the
spamming, which which, uh, which, but.
I agree, it's still spam, but it's, uh, unsustainable spam.
Well, not if you have a money printer.
Then it's just as free as email spam.
I was caveating that exact thing in my mind while I said it, and it's
true, but, uh, until we have, you know, uh, more, At this point, you
know, I don't think the distance to the money printer, uh, is short enough
that that's actually what's going on.
Uh, even though it is,
It's a potential attack vector in the future at least, and uh, but
there's a very easy cure to it.
Just don't sell your bitcoin.
It's that simple.
Especially not to a politician or someone with, you know,
access to the monetary spigot.
yeah.
And any, any widespread attempt at something like that will just,
you know, put a fire under the ass of hyperbitcoinization and
hyperinflation of a fiat money.
So it's not going to be a sustainable strategy.
No, all attacks are welcome in the long run.
Speaking of what maybe some others might see as a different kind of
attack, or at least a different way of kind of money getting into the
system, the institutional adoption from ETFs, attack is maybe a strong word,
but certainly I have heard the angle with that, that that's a way of it.
of the large institutions of capturing Bitcoin, basically, what are your
thoughts on that and maybe the outlook for the next little while since
the ETFs have entered the market?
Yeah, all of these coins are currently residing in the ETFs and I'm very sure
there will be more coins in the ETFs a year from now than we have right now.
I mean, it's a matter of when, not if, that those coins are going to get
confiscated by the state, basically.
And, uh, just, you know, people will obviously be reimbursed
with the full value in the shitty fiat currency, but, uh.
Uh, it's a holy pot just waiting to be, to be grabbed.
And, uh, I think everyone's pretty realistic about that.
But at the same time, this is also inevitable and an inevitable
part of Bitcoin's, uh, or the road towards hyper colonization.
And I'm not worried about it at all.
It's gonna be more lessons for new generational people.
Uh, for sure.
And, uh, I mean, one perspective that I think is very, at least for me, having
been in Bitcoin for a long time, it's, I'm kind of amazed it took this long.
I mean, they could have swooped in much earlier, done a much worse, uh, land
grab of coins and, and centralized.
Bitcoin that in that way, uh, so I'm, I'm, I'm kind of happy that we managed
to get all the way to 24 until this happened in a, I mean, GBTC has been
soaking up a lot of coins, obviously for a, for a good while, but I don't know,
I don't see it as, it's going to be like a tool in the future of this war,
but it's not gonna make any difference.
I
Well, and GBTC has sort of been turned out to be a Tool, or at least a lever that has
been dampening the number go up of it all.
Uh, the, the skeptic or the, the conspiracist, uh, among us might
think that GBTC was intentionally used to, uh, uh, give the ETFs a, a
cheaper access points, but they're going to run out of, uh, of coins
themselves, uh, eventually here and, uh.
Then there shouldn't be another lever to pull, but um, what do you think?
Do you indulge in the conspiracy that GBTC is sort of in on
this to depress the price?
mean, I don't shy away from conspiracy theorists, that's for sure, but,
uh, yeah, it's a possibility that this was a play all along.
It's, it's, uh, the setup was almost, like, a little bit too good to be
true that they are dumping this hard for this long, allowing these other
BTCs and, and, you know, the BTC.
Pizza slice in general to increase.
and, uh, I'm noticing how this ETF inflows, ETF outflows have completely
dominated the whole fundamental debate of Bitcoin price lately, which
is kind of ridiculous as if there is no demand outside of these ETFs.
And, uh, yeah, I think, you know, it's, it's good news for all the
stay humble stack sats people.
and, uh, it's very bad news for, uh, people without conviction
and, uh, emotional traders.
I think, uh, this, this, this weeks we've seen lately, I can, the amount of, uh, D
Gen tiers out there must be overflowing.
People who try to speculate the short term on getting more sats.
It's never a good idea.
And for those of you who don't know, uh, ETF stands for Danish
dyslexic, uh, uh, association.
So does G-D-B-T-C and NGU stands for number go dyslectic.
Of course.
That's true.
Knut, did you have anything more helpful to add?
Uh, no, absolutely not.
Your turn.
Look,
Thanks.
Okay.
Well, um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, uh, but, but, uh, maybe for a lens of the, the kind of, um, not even the,
the optimism necessarily, but, uh, uh, the other side of it though, is, is that.
Bitcoiners who have, have understood what's going on here
are the ones actually seeing their conviction, uh, play out properly.
And, of course, there are these, uh, the, the ultra bulls in the space, uh,
Samsung comes to mind specifically, uh, you know, million, million dollar
Bitcoin, this cycle, something like that.
Maybe the cycles don't even exist anymore.
Uh, but, but, uh, Without talking about sort of an analysis of what the price
is going to be, the basic thesis is that there is a certain amount of Bitcoin in
the world, and there is a growing demand for it, and there is a decreasing supply.
Most likely, we're something like five days away from that, when this
episode gets Released and uh, yeah, so, so what, what is your take
on, on the, the next year or two?
What do you think we're in for based on the way things are going?
I have, uh, some thoughts on that.
You know, I've been one of the worst permabulls.
I think, uh, I've never managed quite to entertain the idea that Bitcoin
could possibly ever be worth less in the future than it is right now.
That's always been like, uh, because I always thought Bitcoin was so
undervalued and, uh, for years and years, this feeling has just intensified.
I think, uh, at this point right now, once again, you know, like I would say, A year
ago or two years ago, Bitcoin has never been more undervalued than right now.
And, uh, I think there is a chance that Samson can be right, but then again,
trying to predict what Bitcoin is going to do is one of the most futile,
uh, things you can try to do ever.
Uh, there will always be some shenanigans and unexpected shit
happening, but I, I do really, really, you know, expect Bitcoin to fly.
Uh, the next years, uh, I can't really see any way that's not, that's not happening,
but I don't like to, you know, I do my predictions on the limb sometimes.
Uh, but honestly, you know, I have no fucking idea where we're going to go.
I think we're going to go high.
would you be willing to go out on a limp here and say, because we're now above
70 for like the seventh time, would you be willing to go out on a limb here on
the show and say that we will never.
I, I'm seeing right now we are at 70, 150 on Coinbase Pro, uh, and
that does make me want to go out on a limb and make a prediction.
So I don't think we'll ever see Bitcoin below 70, 000 again.
No, neither do we.
Uh, no, this is the Oh, those limbs.
Uh, yeah.
It's fun to be a limb outer goer.
Yes.
Oh yeah.
yeah.
Like, if we zoom out here, what do you think of the stock to FOMO thing?
That, that this, uh, this whole diminishing returns thing is
wrong and that we'll eventually We'll have a J shaped, uh, uh,
purchasing power curve instead.
Uh, that will be when, when, like, the last bull run happens.
Um,
Is this something I'm not like stuck to FOMO?
Is this a meme I'm not familiar with
maybe not.
I think it's, I think it's Wicked, uh, who, who, who made it the first.
Or who first visualized it, at least, with this, like, you've seen the classic,
uh, yeah, the one that Erik Wall turned into this bullshit rainbow chart, well,
that was a joke, I have to give him that, but, uh, some people fell for it, uh,
but there's the other, uh, theory is that that rainbow will flip at some point.
And you'll get a, a sort of your thesis there that bitcoins cannot go down in
price at some point, that there's a point where there makes absolutely no sense for
enough people to sell so that the price is virtually not going down, uh, at all.
Like, the last bull run, like, it's sort of the way I visualize it, actually, that
on our way to hyperbitcoinization, there is a point where things get really weird.
And that is probably that point.
Anyway, brainfart.
at that point, uh, the purchasing power of Bitcoin will just be completely, uh,
correlated with the amount of people in the world or something like that.
Yeah.
Or rather the amount of stuff, I guess.
Uh, I mean, the way I see it, like hyper colonization is not when
all the people have some Bitcoin.
It's when all the money when Bitcoin has all the money, basically.
Yeah,
Absolutely.
Actually, maybe you can, uh, maybe this is like a point to get more into here, right?
Like, like, what does this actually look like in the future?
The, the point that Knut is Trying to articulate right, like
that, that Bitcoin adoption isn't necessarily for everyone, right?
It's, it's not necessarily going to be possible that everyone
touches the, the base layer.
Can, did you want to jump in and clarify your thoughts here?
yeah, yeah.
It's, it's not that, that, that's another thing.
Uh, thanks for clearing it up.
Look like.
It's, it's not, uh, Bitcoin is for everyone.
Is is sort of a weird meme.
It's it's not for every one, every person, it's for every dollar.
Like it's, it's not for all the people, it's for all the money.
What do you think of that?
I think, uh, I mean, I, I talked about the amount of humans.
I think.
Is the amount of things really relevant if there are not enough humans to put
attention on them and consume them and have any type of relationship with them?
I don't know, but, uh, like your thoughts on this, Knut, and, uh, but
I don't think, you know, I don't, I don't spend too much time thinking
about, because I think there are so many parameters in play here and so many.
It's It's really fascinating philosophically to try to visualize this
future, but, uh, uh, I think there will be, uh, context and, uh, things in this
equation that we don't quite see yet.
And, uh, it's, I think it's very hard to get a grip on how
this future will look like.
Uh, but it's not hard for me to see how.
Instrumental Bitcoin is right now on the road to a more sound future.
Can you expand on that a little bit?
What, what, what are you thinking of that?
Basically, just that at the moment, our whole world is built on sand
and built on theft and scam.
And it's very clear that when you have such a system that enables The bad guys,
if we're gonna simplify it down to that, uh, to print people, uh, to print money
, uh, to incentivize, uh, bad behavior that them, them themselves down to, to gain
from, uh, you can never have any sound structures built on such a foundation.
And, uh, yeah.
Uh, the new world starts with Bitcoin, I think, and, uh, the return to, to
rationality and the return to merit.
this is, this is touching on a point that Sailor made to us in Madeira about, uh,
you know, all the fiat money being toxic.
It's akin to, uh, toxic water, right?
So, so, which means that all of our history books are, are
colored by this toxicity, like, uh, by the, by the, uh, Yeah,
They're paint, I think they're just painted with toxic crayons.
history is painted with toxic crayons.
Exactly.
Uh, yeah.
So, so we might have to revise everything and, and like, um, try to, and I know
of course a lot of Bitcoiners are doing this already and like studying history
and, and trying to read between the lines and figure out what actually happened.
Like, the French Revolution, for instance.
Was that a good thing?
Was that a bad thing?
Uh, you know, uh, there are so many points in history to,
to revise, uh, from this lens.
Very much so.
And, uh, probably it's, I mean, the task, if we're going to talk about
trying to set history straight, I think that's almost, that's probably a task
that's too big to ever really happen.
I've had some, I mean, just our recent history, the lies that we have
built our current narratives from, they're so big and they're so dark.
I mean, just my, uh, journey into realizing how fucked up certain
things are, uh, started with 9 11, I would say, and the fact that 9
11 still stands, like the official narrative still stands, and all the
history blocks after that are built.
Uh, on top of that block.
And then you have like new, new deceitful blocks being built on top of deceit and
just the job to unwind, unwind this all, you know, with our recent COVID live
block and, you know, the ESG, uh, climate blocks and, uh, they have gotten such a
foothold in our Shared consciousness and so many people are so deeply invested in
them that to the, the journey to unwind all of this is, uh, mind blowingly big.
I mean, I've, I've seen how hard it is to unwind just the lies of one man, uh, for
five years, which was so obviously lies.
And as long as you put money behind the lies and repeat them loudly
enough and many times enough, it's.
It's exceedingly difficult to unwind it and, uh, but I think, so I think,
you know, that that can't be the focus.
The focus must be to just be here and now and do sound and true shit with the
tools we have and just trust that the momentum we create will be what unwinds
all of this on a long enough timescale.
Absolutely.
I mean, even the smallest lies, Uh, that people get away with can have
massive, like, butterfly effects on what people think about things.
For instance, when, when you watch public service television, uh, uh, quote unquote
public service television, and they, they, uh, say that something tax funded
is free, like, just framing it like that.
when in reality it's actually more expensive because it's not on
the free market and thus there's no market competition around it.
So whenever they say something is free, that is actually more expensive.
That's little white lie.
And I think 99 percent of the journalists have no clue that
that's what they're doing.
They have no clue they're lying.
Uh, because they never thought about these things.
Exactly.
And by, by lying like that, you, you strengthen the power of the core lie
also by creating this, all of these lies that rest on the, on some false premise.
Uh, so it's a, it's a structure that's continuously reinforced by
the whole force of, uh, mainstream media and, uh, and governments.
But then again, I'm very happy to see that.
The full force of mainstream media is becoming a weaker and weaker
force and, uh, you know, uh, citizen reporting or decentralized individual
reporting is, is gaining stronger and stronger foretold in, in how many
people consume news and information.
Yeah, that's wonderful, and like, that's one of the great things I think, uh, uh,
Elon has done to Twitter, is add that, uh, community thing, instead of having fact
checkers, you have community checking.
Of course, then, Twitter is centralized, and it is, you have to trust that Twitter
is actually doing what they're saying they're doing, but at least it's a
step in the right direction, for sure.
Exactly.
At the risk of being branded an Elon simp again, I mean, I do think
that Elon taking over Twitter was.
of just monumental significance and importance, uh, because they
had a chokehold on, on information, uh, before that happened.
And you can also see, you know, as Twitter or X have opened up, uh, and introduced,
uh, community notes and stuff like that, it's basically become a more accountable
and open platform in terms of information.
people are flocking to it.
because people, without even knowing it, I think people desire truth and,
uh, you know, Nostr, as good as it is, I'm a huge Nostr fan, but, uh, it has
literally zero impact on the global discourse of things and, uh, because
there are not enough people on there.
And, uh, there are no, there's no mainstream attention on it, but the
fact that we now have X with all its flaws and all its warts and small cancer
tumors that it undoubtedly still has, it's still good enough, you know, to, to
get information out there and to bridge the gap between now and the future where
we have, uh, Significant and impactful adoption of Nostr and similar networks.
Yeah, I, uh, I am, I agree to a hundred percent.
I mean, I love Nostr and, uh, but I, I'm unconvinced about the scaling of Nostr.
Like, I think there are issues on the way there and I'm not
entirely convinced that it will, uh, be successful in the long run.
We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
But I love that it exists as an alternative because it puts
pressure on the other things.
It really does because.
As all exits do, um, putting pressure on the competition is always a good thing.
Uh, yeah, and I think, like, Elon taking over Twitter and Jack
focusing on Nostr is, it's the, it's the timeline I want to live in.
And there will, will be, uh, we'll also be going to, uh, Riga in,
uh, in, uh, August, uh, in the, the middle of, uh, an exciting.
Bitcoin Week in Riga, so hopefully we'll get to hear more about Nostr and
uh, that uh, Knut might eventually, we actually have been deficient in this, we
haven't gotten anyone who actually knows anything about Nostr on the show, we've
just talked to people who think they know things about Nostr, so we should
really get on that and get some people who know things about Nostr, right Knut?
absolutely.
I like that.
I was, I hope there will be Nostroi sometime in the future as well.
yeah, yeah, yeah, Nostvangor, Nostöja,
Riga is looking fantastic this year, uh, I mean, uh.
All the conferences are looking fantastic this year, but especially, like, I love
this little trio of Prague, Madeira, and Riga being the high signal, low noise,
uh, European conferences and, and, like, stars aligning there, and Riga will do a
little, oh, I shouldn't announce too much here, maybe too early, but something.
go, let's go ahead, I think we're good now.
Just a teaser, yeah, just a teaser, all right, where were are
we then, yeah, simping for Elon,
we're shill.
Let's actually properly shill Cano.
So, so for, first of all, we're going to be going to Prague here
in, uh, in a couple of months.
And, uh, yeah, use Code Freedom if you would like a discount,
a 10% discount, and you get a further 5% if you pay with Bitcoin.
So come join us all in Prague and, uh, you know, are you coming Mr.
Kat?
probably not to Prague, unfortunately, no.
I will make an effort to go to Riga.
But I have to say, I've been talking to the organizers of Prague, uh, Martin and
Matias, uh, quite a bit, and uh, huge respect for them and what they have done.
And I'm extremely bullish on BTC Prague this year.
You know, the, uh, The ethos they are gonna, or like the, what they're going
to focus on this year is super important.
And, uh, I wish I could be there,
Well, maybe let's say that you might see Mr.
Kat there, but probably not.
probably not.
So use code freedom and brush your teeth, uh, FFS, that's,
that's the message, right?
That's the message.
And then, just since we're on the topic, in Riga, we'll be
there putting on an Infinity Day party on Bitcoin Infinity Day, 8.
21, immediately after Noob Day.
So come to Riga early and party with the original Meme
creator himself, Knut Svanholm.
And then there's Nostriga, uh, happening, just, that's the start of Nostriga, right?
Yeah, it starts the next day.
Two days of Nostriga and then actual Baltic Honey Badger, so, yeah,
exciting, exciting things next year.
I hope you, uh, I hope you make it to that whole thing, uh, Mr.
Yeah, Code Freedom there too, I think.
Uh, hopefully.
How many, how much time do you guys think we have?
How many years of this cozy, uh, conference thing that we enjoy these days?
Like when, when is this thing too big for that to happen the
way it's happening right now?
I think about that a lot.
Uh, because I think like, uh, If there, if something was to happen,
uh, on one of these things, you, you remember this anarcho polko thing?
There was a, a murder happening in the same town as, as, uh, there was some,
some anarchist conference or something.
I don't know very much about it, but I know there was some, uh, there was,
uh, someone was shot the same week.
I don't know if it was connected to that or not, but, uh, I mean, that
sort of ended that whole thing.
And I think if, if anything happens to any one of us, um, public faces
in this, uh, during one of these events, that's probably the end of us
being able to hang with other plebs.
And like, I don't really like the idea of a Bitcoin conference where, where you,
you distinguish between tiers of people.
That's that's not really, uh, I.
I don't like the idea of that at all.
Uh, I so, so, and that's also why I am, why I'm doing this a lot right
now is because I, I, I want to squeeze as much out outta this as while,
while, while, while it still exists.
I mean, you don't know about tomorrow day.
When, when COVID 2.
0 is, is invented, then, uh, might be very hard to travel, so, why not?
It's crazy though, when you bring that up, uh.
The COVID thing, first of all, how, how quickly we kind of like forgot about it
or, or people in general, I didn't forget
about it,
did.
but I, I, I totally still have this appreciation for being able to go, you
know, I was in Madeira and just to go there with no bullshit, you know, just
order the tickets, board the plane, go there, no dystopian bullshit happening
or not.
some.
some,
there's the passport.
yeah, and like that you have to throw away your shampoo because
it had too much shampoo in it or something, uh, to security
Yeah, as long as I have my 12 words, I don't care.
yeah, but what I'm, it's, we can't take anything for granted is what I'm saying.
And, uh, we should, you know, be enjoying, just like you said, Knut, we
should appreciate and enjoy this shit while it's here and available for us.
Exactly, I'm just insanely grateful, and I bring this up all the time, like,
whenever I'm on a plane, I'm still amazed that I'm flying, like, it is fantastic,
and you don't know how long that will last, even, like, people take so much for
granted, like, the phone in my pocket, it's amazing, like, James Bond couldn't
dream of this, like, 30 years ago, like, it's just I'm just so insanely grateful
for the things the free market has, the somewhat free market has managed
to produce, and I think the power of markets in general is so underrated.
I'm not a cynic, I'm an optimist, because I think markets are way more powerful than
the Sith Lords, like the resistance will win, especially when we have Bitcoin as
the photon torpedoes headed for the core of the Death Star through the vents, you
know, that's, no, I'm totally optimistic.
In the long run.
Yeah, me too, uh, for sure.
And it's, uh, It's very easy to forget all the good shit in a
world where the darkness rears its head so much as it does.
But, you know, in lived and perceived freedom, we probably never ever were
freer than right now to do shit.
But, it's just this Every present knowledge that you are being tracked
and data is being collected and yeah, you know, we're just like being
watched is more the feeling, I guess that's changed, but we're still able
to exercise a lot of freedom, uh, not least in terms of freedom of speech.
And, uh, I think.
A big task for everyone in the world right now is to not self censor, not over
comply, so to say, because a lot of people are, they're just feeling the tendencies
in the world and they just get very like apprehensive and maybe Don't speak fully
out on certain topics and, uh, this, uh, the, uh, the, the self censorship and the
chilling of free speech is a real thing.
And we should, everyone should, you know, really try to speak as freely
as they dare to on all these topics.
Subjects that rule the world right now.
Yeah.
But fear, fear is a, is a powerful tool.
I mean, there, there are certain religions in the world that people,
including myself don't talk about because why would I want a threat?
Like if I, if I spoke my mind on certain things, like, and, uh, by
religions, I include statism by the way.
So, so we are being, uh, I mean, of course, they're, these are powerful
forces, but I totally agree with like, uh, and exercising your freedom of
speech, uh, is extra ultra super duper important now that speech is property,
like, which is, it never has been before, like the, the, when we have Bitcoin
and speech is actually, uh, as close as it can get to tangible property.
Then, then, uh, it becomes more, more important than ever to, to, uh, uphold
those laws and to fight the battle because the, the fight for freedom never ends.
Uh, people will always try to, uh, Try to intrude on your freedoms.
That's just inevitable, the way I see it.
It's like that Terry Pratchett quote, the problem with an open
mind is that people will come along and try to put stuff in it.
And so, so, yeah, you have to stay vigilant and, and, and, uh
Actually, uh, and principled.
I think it's, it's so uncommon that people are principled and, and uphold that they
don't like, Oh, principles is something you can have, uh, if you're that kind
of person, like, no, it's for everyone, like a society, a civilized society needs
principled people who are willing to, to sacrifice short term stuff for integrity.
And yeah, so we need heroes like you, Mr.
Katz.
I saw a thing going on Twitter a couple of days ago, I don't remember or maybe
even didn't notice where it started, but this, uh, Like, the concept was
that if your, if your price isn't your life, then you can be bought.
and that's about, you know, if you don't own your integrity above the monetary
price on it, then you don't own it at all.
And then you can be bought.
It's just about finding the price.
But for some people, integrity trumps everything.
And just because that's how they find purpose and meaning in the
world, and that's how they And, like, personally, I can't think of
any worse thing than not respecting myself or not, like, living up to what
I demand from myself or from others.
Uh, so, yeah, it's, uh, It's a very interesting topic, this whole thing of,
It is.
And it's like, to me, yeah, it's even worse than the un lubed
version of the dildo consequence, right, regardless of the size.
And it's very close to this notion that if you don't have the right to be left
alone, if that's not the Something that you experience, then the only right
you have left is the right to obey.
There is no silver lining.
Like either you're free or you're not.
and you, you can apply a lot of rhetoric and mental gymnastics to this topic
and people will make all kinds of excuses for themselves for compromising.
But my experience and my philosophy on it is that once you start compromising,
you might, it's just like step one on the full slide to corruption.
But you just can't compromise on your integrity at all.
That's like a binary thing.
And I wanted to mention another thing that Rune Østgaard, author of Fraudcoin, a good
friend of mine, he has been reflecting a lot of, you know, the Rune Østgaard.
You know, the fight for freedom and, uh, and standing up for freedom.
And he made the observation that, uh, the cost of freedom is reduced, uh, relative
to how many people stand up and, uh, the more people who dare or manage to, to
stand up and, and stand for something.
That reduces the cost for each individual of doing so, but if you're alone in
standing up, the cost will be severe and, uh, history, in history, it will
very often be death, but, uh, yeah, so, so like the decentralized, yeah,
like, I think it, it fits very well to Bitcoin with our decentralized
approach and, uh, all the nodes.
That, uh, the, it's almost impossible to quell a movement with a lot of heads
that stand up and, and fight, so to say.
Yeah.
And, and also, um, yeah, I mean we love Una here.
Uh, uh, he is another hero.
The, the, the thing I'd like to add to that is Metcal's Law.
So the value of any communications network is the square of its number of
users, so, which means that the, the, the value of the resistance is also
squared by its number of users, so the cost is drastically reduced with each,
uh, new person added, To, to the network.
And that's why I think the tipping point of like any type of hyper
colonization scenario is much lower.
The, the threshold is much lower than we think it is because of the
immense value, the, the immense power of, of METCO law and the
people don't think in exponentials.
Yeah.
It's so important to try to be, or to not think that it doesn't matter, basically.
I don't know, it doesn't matter if I, like, no one will
notice or no one will care.
I think, uh, if you can be an example for one other person,
that's like fucking amazing.
And, uh, we saw it during COVID how, at least here in Norway, a big part of
the reason why people The reason they obeyed so much was because it was very
hard for them to see anyone who didn't.
Uh, and the moment, you know, someone of any significance dared to stand up
and counter the narrative, it was The follow, the ripple effect was huge and I
know in my own circle that a few people almost buckled for the pressure of getting
vaccinated just because they didn't have anyone around them who didn't do it.
But then when they spoke to someone who could argue for the other
side, they were strengthened.
Their resolve was strengthened so much and they were able to resist.
Yeah.
And, and also like when, when the.
Almost all countries drop the curfew or the mask mandates and stuff within like
three months, right, of one another.
Because, uh, I, I traveled a lot during that era, and you see, so in one airport
everyone was wearing a mask, and in the next no one was wearing a mask, so
it's, it like made no sense, because these are airports, like, uh, so, uh,
well, it makes no sense anyway, but, uh, uh, the, the thing I, it's like,
When 5 percent of the people in the airport dared to not wear the mask,
that's when everyone else just followed suit, and everyone dropped the mask.
So the threshold is much lower than you think.
Disobedience matters, people.
Brush your teeth.
Yes.
Or don't.
I remember during COVID I was, regularly the only fucking person in
the mall without the mask and it did.
It drains you a little bit over time, you know, because you get all this looks and
comments and, uh, and friction, but just seeing that one other guy occasionally,
you know, meeting his eye on like, yeah, uh, that was a huge motivating or boost
for my resolve just to see that I hope at least I'm not completely alone that, uh,
Yeah, I remember meeting you in the airport in Oslo.
You remember that?
Everyone looking at us for not wearing a mask?
that was in the middle of this bullshit, right?
Yeah, it was.
And like, and like with everything else, like Bitcoiners weren't like, like, we
were also just people, but the feeling I had from like following the Bitcoin
community and the rest of the world is like, that we were ahead of the curve.
Bitcoiners were scared of the virus before everyone else was and
was not scared of the virus when everyone else was like, we're like.
Yeah, as I said, ahead of the curve.
That's, that's the feeling I got from it.
Yeah, like, uh, information asymmetry thing.
Because I do feel that it's not just because we want to be contrarians.
It is because we base our beliefs Not on propaganda or, or false,
like things that are easily proven to be illogical or irrational.
But we want to go, you know, to the data points and like make up
our own mind, not just accepting predigested, uh, Opinions on things.
So I think that's what's going on.
On average, Bitcoiners are better critical thinkers.
Yeah, yeah, I think so too.
First, more first principles oriented.
Where the base layer, like, you have the base layer and you have the base layer.
Uh, yeah, well, was it Giacomo who said, like, if, if you do everything
completely the opposite of what the government tells you to do, probably
not right about everything but you're probably better off than if you
followed everything they said like so
that's accurate.
I would say you're definitely better off instead of probably, but,
yeah yeah i i think he used the word definitely too and i agree to to that
No, but that's so interesting, like, flock mentality, and another thing I
found so interesting about the late stage COVID, uh, was that the rules
changed quicker and quicker the further down this horrible path we went, and it
became like a virtue signaling mechanism for obedient people to follow the new
rule every week, like, to adapt to the new fucking thing that they were, uh,
like, trying to shove down our throats.
Which is like the opposite of a bitcoiner, an obedience
was really like opening, opening a hole into the box of the dark side of
humanity, what was happening there.
And, uh, I'm sure it's not the last time in history, you know, uh, average man is
going to be weaponized by false narratives against people who want freedom.
Because of that, it's always good to almost like Bitcoin's resistance growth by
every attack, I think to, to have freedom.
We need, we need attacks and we need attacks that fail to remind people
Yeah, I was just getting to that.
There might even be a question in here somewhere.
That's the thing, because on the whole Do you think this attack
was a net positive for humanity?
Because the things I saw, like, was, first of all, this video conferencing, uh,
became, instantly became bearably good.
Like, before COVID, it was sort of too clunky to For people to actually use it.
This is relatively new, being able to do this like, like without issues.
And I think COVID really propelled that, or the lockdowns did.
and the other thing is like, of course, a new generation of Bitcoiners were born.
The percentage of freedom lovers in the world is probably
bigger now than before COVID.
I think, so I think it's, uh, similar.
I think it's very relatable to Bitcoin and uh, because with Bitcoin, I think
it was extremely important that Bitcoin has been attacked the way it has.
All along its history, I think the block size war was extremely important.
I think the continued, you know, attacks, because resistance also needs to scale.
And if instead there had been the illusion of zero attacks, you got
like a complacent, uh, space of Bitcoiners who didn't anticipate
attacks that weren't used to attacks.
And suddenly you have like, let's say an extremely well funded attack with the.
With a Craig Wright that, uh, wasn't a clown, it could have been way worse.
And the same with, you know, the same with COVID, if, if certain parameters had
been different, or if, if COVID didn't never happen, then if they had an even
better and more thought through and, you know, finely executed version of such a
scare, I think they could just lock down the whole humankind into some perpetual.
Dystopia.
Uh, but that will be harder now because of COVID.
Yeah, and I heard the arguments for harder lockdowns, like, this was when I
stopped listening to Sam Harris forever, like, when he was totally pro that.
One of these arguments was, like, imagine if the virus was ten times as deadly.
then it would be ten times more important to have the lockdown policies.
But I completely disagree.
If the virus is ten times more deadly, people will take more
responsibility for their own actions.
Like, that's just inevitable.
Like, if it's actually dangerous, people won't go to the office.
Voluntarily.
So like, that makes no sense.
We can't, we can't, I mean, any thinking person that argues along those lines
to me is just like, I don't even understand it because the end road of
that type of logic is that we can't have freedoms because there will always
be threats and you can, there will always be risks associated with life.
But once you legitimize forcefully.
Restricting people's freedom over a narrative of risk.
It's game over because that's, that's a slide that you
don't, it never stops midway.
It stops at complete prison world.
And, uh, yeah, I think that that was also a good thing that more people
probably have made their observations and reflections on the dynamic
between freedom and, uh, and safety.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that's the quote for the intro, by the way, that, that last little rant.
Could be.
Fantastic.
Well, uh, I think, I think maybe we're, uh, drawing to a
conclusion on this conversation.
Actually, actually, I think, I think our, our, um, friend, uh, And now
Collie, Peter Dunworth would be mad if I didn't ask you one last time a little
bit more about the Bitcoin Advisor.
Can you tell us a little bit more about why you got involved
with that and what goes on there?
Yeah.
I've always been very Cognizant and vocal about the importance of self custody.
And I think Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins is one of the Most important memes in
Bitcoin, I think it's strange that today people still believe or many people still
believe they own Bitcoin by having them on an exchange or buying an ETF product.
in my opinion, they don't own those Bitcoins, obviously,
since they don't have the keys.
So what the Bitcoin advisor does is, uh, help people who may not have the.
The technical capacity to securely take self custody of their coins to help them
transition from an exchange, uh, into a solid self custody, which is done through
what we call collaborative custody, which is a multi sig solution, uh, with
no single point of failure while the client still retains full sovereignty.
Yeah,
Absolutely fantastic.
And so this is what you're doing these days.
Anything else you'd like to direct our listeners towards?
Where can they find you on the internet?
I think this one's pretty easy, actually.
I'm mostly on X under the hudlonaut handle, I guess that's where I do
all of my public facing opinionating and shit, all my shitposting.
We do run our magazine Citadel 21 still, we have two volumes left to print.
Volume 20 and volume 21.
So anyone wanting some very non compromising, legit Bitcoin
culture readings, go to citadel21.
com and read it for free online, or you can visit our shop and buy yourself a
copy of one or more of the editions.
They're all hand numbered and limited to a thousand copies each.
I think it's a cool brand.
There has been exactly 0 percent selling out on that project.
It's been like some type of a hard project for me and Katja.
So we haven't made any money on it, but we made a lot of friends
and a lot of cool magazines.
yeah, you definitely did, alright, Mr.
Cat, thank you very much for this conversation, we enjoyed it
immensely, and we hope you did too, and we hope our listeners did too.
This was a, uh, Slightly odd episode, but I loved it.
So take care, good luck with
Yeah, great to talk to you guys.
Talk soon.
Thanks again, Mr.
Captain.
This has been the Freedom Footprint Show and Knut has something else to say.
I do, uh, if you're trying to follow Hodlonaut on, on X or Twitter, make sure
you find the right one because you have more fake accounts running around than,
than, uh, Satoshi himself, I guess.
Yeah, it's fucked up.
I have no idea why they can't easily fix that issue, but
yeah, follow the right one.
H O D L O M A U T.
All right.
Fantastic.
Thank you again, Hodlenod, and this has been the Freedom Footprint Show.
Thanks for listening.
Thank you guys.