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Canada has had this wonderful reputation, which, a lot of our

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reputation really was undeserving.

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, Canadians can be very authoritarian, it's the fault of Canadians not understanding.

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What authoritarian governments can lead to.

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'Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show, the Bitcoin

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philosophy show with Knut Svanholm and me, Luke the Pseudo Finn.

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Today we're joined by Benjamin Dichter, the author of Honking for Freedom, the

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inside story of the historic Canadian trucker convoy of 2022, the largest

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peaceful protest in Canadian history.

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Benjamin is also a Bitcoiner and Bitcoin played a big role in the protests.

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We hear all about it.

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Let's get into it.

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Benjamin, welcome to the Freedom Footprint show.

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Thanks for joining us.

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My pleasure, thank you for having me.

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Yeah, great.

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Today we have two Canadians on the show.

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That's not every day, one who fled and one who stood his ground

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back in Canada, uh, and I can see your coffee mug there, Benjamin.

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It says honking for freedom.

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Honking for freedom, and, uh, and don't be a

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Don't

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Who is that there?

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I think I recognize that face.

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so, so you were the spokesperson for the whole, um, like a trucker convoy

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that happened, uh, like a year ago now,

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it's about a year and a half, well it's February, it'll be two years in February.

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Yeah, I was the spokesperson and did the media strategy and a bunch of

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other things behind the scenes that people don't know about, but yeah.

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I wrote a book about it,

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did, here is the book, Honking for Freedom, trucker convoy that gave us hope,

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and you can get it at honkingforfreedom.

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com and we'll talk about later the bitcoin story that's in this book,

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which is very important for everyone.

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it is a very important story and, uh, for those of you who don't know, like, um,

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some of these truckers bank accounts were frozen and then there was only one way to

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get around, uh, the totalitarianism vibes that were going on in, in, uh, Canada at

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the time, and that was through Bitcoin and, uh, well, Benjamin, I'll let you

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tell the story from beginning to end.

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First, a little TLDR on who you are and your background, and then,

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uh, about the Trucker Convoy, what happened, how it played out,

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Okay, um, and just an asterisk to start with, when you mentioned our bank

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accounts were frozen, uh, it wasn't just mine and many others personal bank

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accounts, it was our credit cards, lines of credit, Corporate bank accounts,

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absolutely everything that you would need to transact were, uh, were frozen.

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But, uh, anyway, so a little bit of context of who the hell is this guy?

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I'm, uh, just kind of a serial entrepreneur.

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I started, I went to school and became a gemologist and a diamond grader just

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because I like the science aspect of it.

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I decided after several years I didn't really love that industry so much

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because of, you know, the, the The cliquey nature of it, and I invented a

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product for motorcycles, patented it, uh, started working on that, ended up, uh,

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working at Harley Davidson, then a sales director for another company, and then

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started my own business, that was on a university campus for, uh, many years.

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And that's where I guess the shift, I started to see the shift in society,

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which got me to get involved politically.

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I decided to run for political office in the municipal campaign in the

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city, just because we saw some crazy nonsense in our particular riding.

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The person was...

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Tied to the CCP and was running an organization called Queers

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for, uh, Palestine or something like that, just some nonsense.

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And, uh, one thing led to another, I, you know, I decided I'll, I'll get involved

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in politics to try to help, right?

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You know, everybody complains, but they never do anything.

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And, uh, I figured I'll go as far until I stop, until I get stopped.

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And I was eventually asked.

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to run for federal parliament for the conservatives and which is ironic

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because I really kind of hate politics because I don't like politicians.

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I always grew up with you can't trust them sort of thing.

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One thing led to another.

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I sold my business.

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I started doing podcasts because I always wanted to do podcasts.

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That was the latest, you know, venture.

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Learned how to do podcasts from Uh, a YouTuber that my ex girlfriend

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knew by the name of CGP Grey and, uh, started doing podcasts.

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And the next thing you know, I'm at the center of this trucker convoy

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because during convoy, during COVID, you know how, uh, I mean, look,

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Lockdowns , because there's no such thing as during Covid, right?

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during the government's response to that nonsense sort of thing.

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Uh, but during the, uh, the lockdowns.

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Um, my brother had already bought a truck because he wanted to go, he always,

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he's gonna be retiring, he's a police officer, um, and he always wanted to,

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to, uh, get back into trucking, which he did when he was younger, that's how

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he paid his way through school, I think, and, not I think, but it's more, there's

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more to that, but anyways, and he said to me, hey, let's, why don't you buy

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a truck, get your license, he told me a few years prior to get my license,

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just as you never know, so I did.

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While I was doing podcasts, I got my trucker license.

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Okay, fine, cool.

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Interesting to learn this, to have another skill set and be on,

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you know, planes and motorcycles.

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And then he, he said to me during the lockdowns, he said, why don't you

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get a truck and we can go together.

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I'll cross the border and get some sanity in the United States, have

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a little bit of freedom, and go for dinner and spend some time and whatever.

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together or something like that.

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You know, just kind of, I've always been one of those things, try everything.

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Uh, Bill is Scott Adams, so I've gotten to know pretty well.

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Now he talks about building, you know, your, uh, your

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skill sets, your talent stack.

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the Dilbert Dilbert creator, right?

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That's right.

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A network creator.

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And, uh, so I ended up, uh, you know, cross border trucking just

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to get some sanity in my life and boy, it, it really helped.

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It's not that I followed any rules.

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I never put on any masks beyond when I had surgery.

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And, uh, you know, I got a call one day from Tamara Leach, who I knew, I knew

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her from when I was producing my podcast, she was a fan of one of those podcasts,

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and that podcast where we went on a tour of Western Canada, Uh, I can't remember

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what year it was, 2018 maybe, 2017, and that's where I met her, and we always kept

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in touch, developed a friendship sort of thing, and you know, she's a political

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hawk, I'm, I don't like politics, I just don't like, you know, bullshit in our

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government, and so we always talked about that sort of stuff, and one day she called

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me up, she said we're getting married.

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Me and my friend started a convoy, which turns out that wasn't exactly

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entirely true, but okay, fine.

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And she said, we need somebody who's going to do some, uh, who can, who

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has media training, understands media, alternative media, all

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that stuff, can do press releases.

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And I said, yeah, sure.

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If it's going to help put an end to this nonsense, I'm on, I'm on board.

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And I said to her, but there's one, I have one condition, no political

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parties, no politics, no nothing.

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We're not here to help any political parties, we're here to

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end mandates and end arrive cam.

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The only politicians we want to talk to are the ones who actually hold any

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power and who can reverse these temporary measures, and that's how I got involved.

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who could imagine that 10 years ago that Canadians would go to the US

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across the border, to the US for sanity,

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Do you know how, do you know how many Canadians I know who have not

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only moved to, you know, Florida, but are all over Latin America?

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like, uh, a few come to mind, like Francis did that, right, from BovikCoin,

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uh, and a bunch of others,

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One of the people I've become friends with, which is, it's funny,

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Megan Murphy, who used to be, you know, uh, feminist, uh, socialist,

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very, very much to the left.

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So we have a polar opposite political worldviews, which is fine.

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You know, we have to have more friends who disagree with us politically.

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Uh, close with Joe Rogan, that sort of stuff.

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She left Canada.

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She moved to Mexico.

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She's like, screw this.

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I'm not staying here under any authoritarianism.

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I'm like, oh, that's, it's interesting how that has helped wake up a lot of

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people who might have been on the fringes, either fringe of the political spectrum.

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So I think it's going to end up being a net positive over the long term

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because it's allowed many of us who probably wouldn't have been able to

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engage in conversations many years ago.

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To form friendships and start to understand each other, which is a

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massive benefit of Bitcoin that we don't talk much, uh, enough about the

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fact that it brings together people who have divergent political worldviews.

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absolutely, um, divergent religions, or...

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Other things as well, like, uh, Bitcoin is apolitical, there's the, it's anti

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political even, so please tell what happened, like, what, uh, what led up

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to, to Canada being one of the most awful places to be during, during this,

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uh, for lack of a better word, pandemic?

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Well, the first thing, just to, uh, you know, to change perspective a little

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bit, I think one of the benefits of this whole, you know, the COVID years,

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the lockdown years, whatever you want to call it, is it's, it's helped

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people to become better informed about their countries and how they operate,

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and a perfect example is, you know, in Australia and their constitution,

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there's no such thing as natural rights.

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It's really, it's a very authoritarian state.

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They believe their constitution states rights are granted to you By the

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government, natural rights don't exist.

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Uh, Canada has had this wonderful reputation, which, you know,

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Luke, you're from Alberta.

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Alberta has, has bared the brunt of the Trudeau family for, for decades,

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for a couple of generations now.

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And I know a lot of Albertans would, would not be paused when I say, We'll now

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take pause and when I say that, a lot of our reputation really was undeserving.

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It really wasn't.

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That, um, Canadians can be very, very authoritarian, just like

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the, um, uh, just like people.

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Uh, just like the Australian constitution, right?

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It's, it's really quite concerning.

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It's like, you know, where I live, you can see it, that the authoritarianism has

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been empowered now, where I drive down the street and every block, not every block,

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every house has a sign saying, slow down.

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It's like, you're thinking past the sale, buddy.

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You know what I mean?

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But that's kind of the mentality of people here, and that's why

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it was so easy, uh, I believe, to promulgate this nonsense in Canada.

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It's the fault of Canadians not understanding.

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What authoritarian governments can lead to.

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I'll get to the background in a second, but just one other point

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on this is, you know, we all come from different backgrounds.

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I happen to be adopted, but I was raised in a Jewish family.

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I'm very, very secular, but at the same time, I grew up.

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Being taught about the, you know, the horrors of the Holocaust and,

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you know, genocide and, you know, Rwanda happened later on and this

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is, you know, Pol Pot, Cambodia, like this is not new to humanity.

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But the problem they always seem to skip over was, you know, those mid

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century Germans were the government.

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And the people who engaged in killing and ratting people out and sending

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them to camps, in the views, in the eyes of the government at that point,

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those were lawful, upstanding citizens.

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And it's amazing, it's just striking how that is so lost amongst so many people.

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in the west so we take we take the bait about different people's cultures and

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this group is controlling the world and blah blah blah blah blah but we forget the

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fact that it's the government apparatus that has killed immensely more people

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throughout human history than any other individual or group or what i'm not a

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big group guy i'm an individualist guy

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Word, brother.

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I mean, this is, as I always say, like, if you don't want to be labeled a Nazi,

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don't be a nationalist and don't be a socialist, and you're fine, like, those

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are the two things you need to avoid.

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So, we'll get into the meat of this a bit later on, like, because I'm very

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curious if, like, Uh, totalitarianism is inevitable to happen in a democracy

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at some point, and also if democracy is just socialism in disguise, and

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that it's inevitable that it's an unsustainable system that does not scale,

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like, um, what are your views on that?

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I don't know.

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I think it's a very good question that a lot of us are examining right now.

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And, you know, the tyranny of the majority is something that everybody who's a,

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you know, philosopher, political thinker has thought about, you know, since the

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inception of these democracies, even the four founders in the United States.

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Yeah, the word democracy isn't mentioned once in the constitution

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of the US, which I find hilarious.

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That's right.

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Um, Thank you.

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So I don't know, I, I don't know if it's a bug in the code of human programming.

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Uh, one of the things that, you know, I got on to, I got in touch

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with Scott Adams, you know, during, after the convoy, but I started

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following him years prior because I was a fan of Robert Cialdini's work.

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And persuasion and influence and that sort of NLP pop psychology.

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I just got really deep into it many, many years ago as part of learning marketing

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for, uh, one of the projects I was involved in and I'm getting, you know,

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you can see, especially during the, the legacy media response to the Trekker

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convoy, we'll get back to the origin in a second, how easily human beings can be

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programmed to believe absolutely anything.

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And if that's the case and the non free will people have a point in some

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capacity, then well, this democracy thing might not actually work if

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people can just be manipulated into believing some of the most absurd

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things Uh, that will be pitched to them, as long as there's social proof,

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sufficient fear, and all the persuasion tactics that are piled on top of it.

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So I think it might be more of a problem, uh, the buggy code of human beings,

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and understanding how we're programmed.

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Whereas democracy just might be the apparatus, that it might

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be a great system, like E.

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Wilson said about socialism, he said it's a great system, wrong species,

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maybe that applies to democracy as well, great system, wrong species, and we need

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something else, I don't know, I really, that's too, that's above my pay grade,

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Well, I can recommend a couple of great books on the subject and how, how it

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might be the system itself and not that there's something wrong with humans,

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because the system leads to these things, uh, institutions growing like

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cancers on society and people voting.

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Like if, if you're the, on the receiving end of a tax funded benefit, You're

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unlikely to vote against it, which means that people want to live off of other

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people's work, uh, in the long, and in the long run, that leads to collectivism,

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more and more collectivism, more and more socialism, and then totalitarianism,

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and then collapse, then via clown world.

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yeah, if you want more clown world, then subsidize it.

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That's quotable.

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If you want more clown world, subsidize clowns.

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anyways, so to get back to a little bit, you know, the short version, the origin

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story, . I was asked to become, you know, a voice, spokesperson, press releases,

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media strategy, all that sort of stuff.

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Uh, I realized, I thought back to when I was, uh, a teenager and I used to

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go to Grateful Dead concerts and Fish concerts and the Allman Brothers and

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stuff, that we needed that sort of vibe.

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We needed to have a positive, loving vibe to bring people together.

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We can't focus on what the government always does, which

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is divide people into different camps and different voting blocks.

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I needed to, I needed to shred all of that and have us just

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be kind of one unified group.

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Those of us who value freedom.

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And that's why I culminated on peace, love, unity, and freedom.

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Try to give some positive connotation to what it was and change it from,

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like, when she called me, said, you know, we're gonna go and we're gonna

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protest Trudeau and the mandates.

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And, you know, I thought, well, why don't we just celebrate

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freedom and celebrate Canada and celebrate getting our freedoms back?

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And if we could do that...

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Then maybe, uh, this, you know, political spectrum, which is no longer relevant,

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you know, the left right paradigm, it's no longer relevant in our current world.

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Maybe we can break that up a little bit and we can get people

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from all, you know, perspectives and all ideas coming together.

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And I remember when I came, uh, when I arrived in Ottawa the

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first day, I'm walking up to, um, Parliament Hill on Wellington.

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And the first group that really, that really, um, captured me were these

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three girls that maybe late teens, early twenties, something like that, decked out,

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even though they're in snowsuits, they're decked out in tie dye with a peace sign

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that was like straight out of Woodstock sort of thing and I'm like, it worked!

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It works!

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And I looked to my right, and I saw next to the Chateau Laurier, which

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is the hotel next to Parliament, uh, there is a path between the two and

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a big park, and at the end of that park there's a bridge into Quebec.

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Quebec is French Canada, Ottawa is Anglo Canada.

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And I saw all these people...

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Thousands of them, I took a picture of it, just a mob of thousands of people

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who apparently got out of their cars because the city of Ottawa blocked the,

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um, the, uh, bridge entering into Ottawa.

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And they said fine, they just left their cars at the side of the road and they

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walked from Quebec into Ontario with, and Luke you'll, you'll understand the

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significance of this, Canadian flags and Fleur de Lis, which is the Quebec flag.

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Uh, they're holding signs that said freedom and liberté,

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which is freedom in, in French.

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And, you know, I've said this many times, I would, I, I walked with a whole crowd

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of them and then up Wellington, back up Wellington, I saw them reach out to and

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find all these truckers with Alberta plates and Saskatchewan plates and

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reach out and hug them and thank them.

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Nobody was wearing masks, because at that time we had mask mandates again.

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Nobody gave a damn about any of that stuff.

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And I realized that, wow, when you get the, the, the fake news media

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and politicians out of the way, you know, we all love each other.

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Yeah, we're different.

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People from Quebec and Alberta are different.

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Whatever.

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Who cares, right?

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It's the political apparatus and the structure that builds

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these narratives to brainwash us.

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To think that we're completely different and we have a different value system.

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So that was just the first day that I was there.

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And the entire time, I mean for me it was chaos because I was dealing with

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problem after problem after problem after problem and trying to mix in as

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many interviews as possible around that.

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But everybody who was there had that similar experience and that's why It ended

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up they had dance parties on different corners around the city, you know, there

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was one that was a salsa latino music, there was one that was EDM in front of

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parliament near the stage and stuff like that, uh, they built three, uh, sorry,

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they built a soup kitchen, uh, there was a guy, a group of guys, a hot tub, three

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saunas, yeah, everybody saw the bouncy castles, uh, the Sikh community came out

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and a bunch of them brought barbecues, somebody owned a chain of restaurants.

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So they brought packaging for the food and they were just giving out

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food to all the people who attended.

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And then they found people like homeless people in the city and they

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started distributing food to the homeless people in the city that really

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bothered the politicians , right?

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Because they can't virtue, they can't use 'em as a political pond

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now because the truckers are actually doing the crap that they claim to do.

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So that was the vibe of the entire thing and.

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You know, when I realized that I got buy in with this narrative of peace, love,

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unity, and freedom, I realized that, okay, the government's got a problem now,

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because how are they going to go violent on these people when we're just having a

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celebration and asking for these temporary authoritarian restrictions to be removed?

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I mean, you can't have a more reasonable ask than that.

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And, um...

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Yeah, that's, that's really how it started, and that was the

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vibe the entire way through.

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one thing that wasn't reported in the media was, like, how

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did the whole thing end?

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Like, did it just snuff out naturally, or, like, how long were

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these protests going on for, and, like, how did the whole thing end?

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Well, that's, that's part of why I wrote this book as quickly as I could,

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because I knew the, um, the spinmasters and media and government would try

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to spin, you know, racist, bigot, blah, blah, blah, whatever phobe, and

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that that was all nonsense, right?

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So a word first on the media, and then I'll explain how it ended.

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This, I thought, was my opportunity.

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To, uh, troll and destroy the corporate legacy fake news media.

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That was one of the goals.

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I knew, I looked at, cause again, I've been producing podcasts forever.

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I knew everybody in the alternative media space.

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And I thought, I did a basic, you know, threw out a spreadsheet,

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a bunch of different platforms.

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And I'm like, I think we could get a hundred million views the first week.

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And if I could do that, that would dwarf and crush all the legacy media.

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Who, at that time, weren't even reporting on it.

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You'd see one story here and there that, oh, there's going to be a convoy, but

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they were largely trying to ignore it.

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So I needed to bait them into talking about it, but I wanted the actual,

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uh, legacy media, alternative media, I wanted them to be the voice for

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what we were, because we're all sick of fake news media, whether it's

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CTV, CBC, CNN, Fox News, whatever.

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We know it's all scripted.

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So, what I did was we had our first press conference on January 30th, and I sent

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out an invite to a media list that I had, because again, remember, I was a political

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candidate, I'd done some political stuff, very libertarian stuff in politics behind

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the scenes prior, so I had a media list, And I also had an alternative media

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list of people I know, so I emailed everybody and I said, Hey, we're going

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to have our first press conference on the 30th of January, but we have limited

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space because it's in a small hotel.

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If you want to attend, please send a request to attend and

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we'll try to accommodate you.

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So the very first news agency, I believe it was the Globe and Mail, which is a

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legacy newspaper in Canada, responded.

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And remember, these are people who were ignoring us and any sort of coverage

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would be, you know, defaming us.

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I, um, they responded and they said, yeah, we would like to attend.

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So that was like my little moments of joy during the convoy.

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I just got to, and I typed them individually just because I wanted to.

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I sent a response saying, I'm sorry, you're not recognized as a credible news

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agency, you're not permitted to attend.

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Thank you for your request to

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Oh, fantastic.

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That must have felt so good.

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They went crazy, and that's when they started racist, bigot, white supremacist,

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whatever, and I'm like, perfect.

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That's exactly what I need.

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I need them to discredit themselves, and have the actual story dwarf

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them in alternative media.

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And their heads are still spinning from this.

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So that was kind of the media play that I did the entire time, and I remember one

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time they got, they got so butthurt, the people, the collaborators who sabotaged

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us, and they tried to hang me with this and the POEC, not, I was not going to

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adjudicate media strategy with them during the commission, which we'll discuss after,

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but I remember I got a CBC, Like political parties, they test messaging, right?

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So some moron at the CBC started, uh, was on some show and saying,

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asking the question, could this be a Russian disinformation plot or however

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they described a Russian operation?

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And I thought, wait, Russia Today asked me for an interview.

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I wonder if I control them to shoot themselves in the foot again.

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So I respond, I'm like, hey, Pavel, yeah, you said you wanted to have me on?

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Sure.

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Let's, let's do an interview tonight.

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And he said, okay.

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So I went to Russia that night and I thought the CBC would take the

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bait and double, triple down on this Russia, Russia, Russia hoax.

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But, uh, they were wise enough not to do it, unfortunately.

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So those are the sorts of games that were going on every day.

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Every day I was dealing with stuff like that.

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It was amazing.

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I think I'll just add quickly that CBC is state funded media in Canada, it

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receives funding from the government, it's absolutely the most ideologically down

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the line with Trudeau of any of the media, the rest are bad too, but CBC is the worst

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And they get 1.

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2 billion a year in funding and you get more views on your podcast than they get.

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You know how many paid subscribers the CBC has?

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I, I, somebody leaked this to me a couple years ago.

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You know how many paid subscribers that 1.

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2 billion dollars has allowed them to capture?

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I know the actual number.

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Take a guess.

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The CBC, 1.

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2 billion dollars.

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They have, uh, stations, hundreds of stations across the country.

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TV and radio.

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How many paid subscribers do they have?

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Take a guess.

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Throw out a number.

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40 million people.

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10, 000?

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2, 000.

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Fantastic.

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Yeah, this reminds me a lot of Sweden.

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I like similar things have been going on.

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Like we, when I grew up, everyone had to pay a fee if they had a television.

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So if you bought a television, you were sort of on the government radar.

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And you could always claim that you gave the television away or

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something and refuse to pay the fee.

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But they fixed that by, by like, Making everyone pay for everyone else's

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state funded TV media, and that costs around nine million kronor per year.

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No, not nine, nine billion kronor per year.

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Money well wasted.

458
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completely ridiculous to produce stuff that, that is very, very embarrassing.

459
00:28:27,650 --> 00:28:34,020
So, but these, these institutions, They're, they're, they're trying to

460
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:38,880
cling on to whatever power they have, because I think some of them know

461
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:45,200
that they're a dying breed, uh, that, uh, Tucker Carlson interview with,

462
00:28:45,290 --> 00:28:51,270
um, Melee on Twitter got more views than anything on TV, like that week.

463
00:28:51,665 --> 00:28:54,315
I think it was 400 million over the first week if I'm

464
00:28:54,445 --> 00:28:54,735
Yeah.

465
00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:54,870
Yeah.

466
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:56,790
It's completely ridiculous numbers.

467
00:28:56,850 --> 00:29:00,830
And, and your Rogan is the greatest journalist in history.

468
00:29:01,330 --> 00:29:06,580
Uh, if, if you only count views, like there, there's, there's just no one in

469
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:10,000
even close to getting as much attention.

470
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,170
And he, as he does, so the, the internet is like, markets unite,

471
00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:18,900
politics divide, and they can feel that they're, that, that's why you

472
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:21,690
get all these like fake news and like.

473
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:30,530
This terminology that they invent, you know, calling everyone who isn't

474
00:29:30,530 --> 00:29:36,750
a Nazi a Nazi, and calling people who don't care about race racist.

475
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,300
And all these Orwellian

476
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:53,690
newspeak words, they really try to make 1984 become a reality in that sense.

477
00:29:54,175 --> 00:29:58,435
Yeah, go figure, the government runs the most incompetent

478
00:29:58,445 --> 00:30:00,525
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479
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:01,990
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so how did it end, you asked me?

512
00:31:32,342 --> 00:31:35,802
Well, basically, the short version, and it's very, there's a lot of

513
00:31:35,802 --> 00:31:40,302
nuance to this, and I would argue so much has gone on since the convoy,

514
00:31:40,642 --> 00:31:45,622
than happened during, which was only three weeks long, uh, but basically,

515
00:31:45,632 --> 00:31:47,902
the, uh, police ended up moving in.

516
00:31:48,677 --> 00:31:50,747
Uh, they started raiding some trucks.

517
00:31:51,107 --> 00:31:57,217
They, uh, it started on the night of the 17th, uh, after Chris Barber,

518
00:31:57,287 --> 00:32:02,097
uh, Chris Barber and Tamara, who, the person who called me, uh, were arrested.

519
00:32:02,367 --> 00:32:05,147
Uh, unfortunately, since then, the video has surfaced of...

520
00:32:05,597 --> 00:32:09,997
Uh, Tamara Asking to be Arrested, which nobody will answer any questions about,

521
00:32:10,127 --> 00:32:13,757
so there's, there's a lot more political stuff going on behind the scenes than

522
00:32:13,757 --> 00:32:19,287
we realized during the time, but, um, the 17th, uh, it started with one

523
00:32:19,287 --> 00:32:22,597
trucker particularly, he was raided by the police, they smashed his windows.

524
00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:26,162
He tried to hide in the back of his cab like everybody was told and was

525
00:32:26,162 --> 00:32:27,642
doing for the previous three weeks.

526
00:32:28,412 --> 00:32:33,032
And they came with guns drawn, threw him in the snow, arrested him, and

527
00:32:33,032 --> 00:32:34,812
uh, took him down for processing.

528
00:32:35,342 --> 00:32:40,522
They came, the road captains came to me the next morning and said,

529
00:32:40,522 --> 00:32:43,062
you know, this is what happened last night, should we leave?

530
00:32:43,202 --> 00:32:45,332
And I explain this in the book, all these stories are in the book.

531
00:32:46,187 --> 00:32:51,397
And I said, well, listen, uh, you know, uh, if you're, it's, somebody and I both

532
00:32:51,477 --> 00:32:54,517
said the same thing one after another, I can't remember which one, I think I

533
00:32:54,527 --> 00:32:59,217
started first, but maybe they did, and I said, uh, you know, I'll do what you want,

534
00:32:59,227 --> 00:33:03,957
like, I'll, I'm, I'm the voice and the strategy and media guy, but if you want to

535
00:33:03,957 --> 00:33:08,557
leave, if you, if you want to leave, like, we'll leave and I'll tell people, uh, if

536
00:33:08,557 --> 00:33:13,302
you're asking me personally, Uh, I think it's, you know, maybe it's time to leave.

537
00:33:13,422 --> 00:33:15,472
If the government's getting violent, then we've won.

538
00:33:15,972 --> 00:33:20,122
There are going to be a laughingstock around the world, and we'll make sure,

539
00:33:20,142 --> 00:33:23,172
from a PR standpoint, that they are a laughingstock around the world.

540
00:33:23,942 --> 00:33:27,652
And, uh, and you know, it was funny, a month later, or a month and a

541
00:33:27,652 --> 00:33:30,577
half later, when I was in Colombia, Learning how to walk again, because

542
00:33:30,577 --> 00:33:32,307
I broke my ankle during the convoy.

543
00:33:32,937 --> 00:33:36,547
Uh, my friends who used to say, oh, you know, Justin Trudeau, he's

544
00:33:36,557 --> 00:33:39,937
so, he's great, he's young, and whatever, and I would just ignore it.

545
00:33:40,657 --> 00:33:43,347
And they started calling him, this trip, they started calling him,

546
00:33:43,397 --> 00:33:46,757
uh, Cara Negra Fidelito, which is, uh, Blackface Little Fidel.

547
00:33:47,397 --> 00:33:50,947
Uh, so his reputation around the world, uh, was destroyed

548
00:33:50,947 --> 00:33:52,337
and has not recovered since.

549
00:33:52,877 --> 00:33:55,837
But the problem was that, why did it end?

550
00:33:55,847 --> 00:33:57,257
How come the police moved in?

551
00:33:57,257 --> 00:34:01,897
And there's a lot of nuance to it, so there's a independent publication called

552
00:34:01,947 --> 00:34:06,727
Diverge Media, run by Greg Staley, who is from, uh, from Saskatchewan.

553
00:34:07,622 --> 00:34:15,762
And he's been diving into all the circumstances since the convoy and the

554
00:34:15,832 --> 00:34:20,272
subsequent commission around the convoy, which was completely staged as well.

555
00:34:20,932 --> 00:34:25,312
And he's uncovered a lot of the shenanigans that went on behind the scenes

556
00:34:25,842 --> 00:34:29,142
and how we were co opted and sabotaged.

557
00:34:29,657 --> 00:34:35,007
By the entire political class, and even in the POEC evidence, there's,

558
00:34:35,067 --> 00:34:40,497
there's emails that were made public, partially redacted, but between the new

559
00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:46,047
temporary conservative party leader, who was installed on February 3rd,

560
00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:52,522
and Justin Trudeau, so liberal and conservative, agreeing that the protest

561
00:34:52,522 --> 00:34:57,142
needs to come to an end and we need to have, get the truckers out of Ottawa.

562
00:34:57,372 --> 00:34:59,942
So they were working together to screw us.

563
00:35:00,422 --> 00:35:04,542
And what we didn't realize is, you know, there's so many people around, like it

564
00:35:04,542 --> 00:35:10,372
was crazy that the thousands of messages I would get, like I learned not to go

565
00:35:10,372 --> 00:35:15,797
down to the, the um, The lobby of the Sheraton Hotel, because I'd have a hundred

566
00:35:15,797 --> 00:35:18,827
people trying to talk to me and ask me questions, and I'm like, I don't know, ask

567
00:35:18,867 --> 00:35:20,367
this person, ask that person, whatever.

568
00:35:21,017 --> 00:35:26,347
But it was, it was total chaos, but with that many people, you gotta think, and

569
00:35:26,347 --> 00:35:30,017
you know, it was in the back of our heads that there are gonna be people who are

570
00:35:30,017 --> 00:35:32,347
tied to the political establishment.

571
00:35:32,902 --> 00:35:37,792
Or law enforcement or, but usually it's a political establishment in Canada that are

572
00:35:37,792 --> 00:35:42,502
going to try to sabotage us and subvert us and they ended up doing it right in

573
00:35:42,502 --> 00:35:46,682
front of our eyes and I had somebody, a friend of mine, her name is Diana

574
00:35:46,682 --> 00:35:52,092
Davison, she's a very well known men's rights activist who did a lot of work for

575
00:35:52,272 --> 00:35:54,302
anti MeToo stuff for many, many years.

576
00:35:54,302 --> 00:35:58,232
I produced a podcast with her on false accusations.

577
00:35:58,662 --> 00:36:03,887
She called me and she said, Hey, I heard the JCCF is involved with you guys, and

578
00:36:03,887 --> 00:36:08,367
they said, yeah, they presented us with some lawsuits, some class action suit,

579
00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:09,757
but they said they'll take care of it.

580
00:36:10,127 --> 00:36:13,007
And don't worry, they'll cover all the fees and whatever.

581
00:36:13,587 --> 00:36:16,947
And despite the fact that I have a long list of lawyers, I tried to tell

582
00:36:16,947 --> 00:36:18,857
everybody else, they're like, well, let's just go with them, I'm like,

583
00:36:19,097 --> 00:36:22,077
whatever, fine, we'll, we'll go with them.

584
00:36:22,147 --> 00:36:25,397
And she said to me, whatever you do, get them as far away from you as possible.

585
00:36:25,852 --> 00:36:30,312
All their lawyers left en masse a year prior, and all they have left are

586
00:36:30,312 --> 00:36:32,852
political activists with law degrees.

587
00:36:33,352 --> 00:36:34,842
Uh, they will screw you.

588
00:36:34,852 --> 00:36:36,762
Get them as far away as possible.

589
00:36:37,352 --> 00:36:37,922
So, great.

590
00:36:37,932 --> 00:36:43,102
There's another problem I had to deal with is keeping them at bay, keeping all

591
00:36:43,102 --> 00:36:48,082
the different groups who are trying to take over and sabotage us at bay, the

592
00:36:48,092 --> 00:36:53,562
people who showed up on scene to defame first Tamara and myself, and then myself.

593
00:36:53,897 --> 00:36:59,447
When I wouldn't go along with all this crap of, you know, allowing the

594
00:36:59,447 --> 00:37:02,137
political establishment to take over.

595
00:37:02,417 --> 00:37:07,117
And I remember somebody said, you know, I got these, uh, emails saying,

596
00:37:07,407 --> 00:37:09,907
you know, you should do this with messaging and that messaging and

597
00:37:09,907 --> 00:37:11,457
talk about vaccines and whatever.

598
00:37:11,477 --> 00:37:14,997
And I'm like, hey, hey, we got our hundred million views the first week.

599
00:37:15,037 --> 00:37:15,937
I think I know what I'm doing.

600
00:37:16,052 --> 00:37:16,762
I don't need you.

601
00:37:17,122 --> 00:37:19,892
When you guys learn how to win an election, then we'll talk.

602
00:37:20,102 --> 00:37:22,522
You know, like it was, it was so frustrating.

603
00:37:22,682 --> 00:37:27,922
You had members of parliament, like former members of parliament, call me, pretending

604
00:37:27,922 --> 00:37:31,552
to be staffers, trying to persuade me.

605
00:37:31,937 --> 00:37:35,207
To use conservative party talking points.

606
00:37:35,217 --> 00:37:39,867
They're like, Oh yeah, don't talk about freedom and don't talk about, you know,

607
00:37:39,907 --> 00:37:43,957
uh, money and Bitcoin because, you know, Bitcoin became part of it at that point.

608
00:37:44,287 --> 00:37:47,557
What you need to do is talk about the reason the truckers

609
00:37:47,557 --> 00:37:49,147
are upset is inflation.

610
00:37:51,547 --> 00:37:56,177
No, it's because we're locked in our homes and you guys want to force people

611
00:37:56,197 --> 00:37:58,317
to take something against their will.

612
00:37:58,417 --> 00:37:58,907
So no.

613
00:37:59,417 --> 00:38:03,107
And that's why I became the demon, so you'll see a lot of this online

614
00:38:03,107 --> 00:38:07,157
from political ops and bot accounts, constantly attacking me, because they're

615
00:38:07,157 --> 00:38:10,917
still butthurt, and they still have to make sure that people won't listen

616
00:38:10,917 --> 00:38:15,927
to me, talk to me, listen, or read, uh, some of the, the research that

617
00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:19,597
Diverge Media has uncovered, because we've shown how it is the uniparty.

618
00:38:21,392 --> 00:38:24,282
It's one party, and that is the problem.

619
00:38:24,282 --> 00:38:28,042
You talked about what democracy will lead to, and I'm going to give you one example,

620
00:38:28,042 --> 00:38:32,482
and they're going to get so butthurt and upset when I say this, but I don't care.

621
00:38:33,232 --> 00:38:35,692
I ain't leaving, and I don't work for any political party.

622
00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:40,812
Um, you know, people in Canada, they're all very excited that, you know,

623
00:38:40,812 --> 00:38:44,242
Pierre Polyev is the new leader of the Conservative Party, and that's great,

624
00:38:44,292 --> 00:38:48,002
and yeah, he's probably going to be the next, Prime Minister, there's no question.

625
00:38:48,362 --> 00:38:51,122
And conservatives do what the liberals do at the speed limit.

626
00:38:51,842 --> 00:38:54,802
Uh, so what's, what is my, my problem with that?

627
00:38:54,812 --> 00:38:55,932
And I try to warn people.

628
00:38:56,212 --> 00:39:01,382
Well, the deputy leader, my pet hate, I hate her, she hates me.

629
00:39:01,602 --> 00:39:03,552
I know who she's a mouthpiece for.

630
00:39:03,892 --> 00:39:05,482
Cause she's a psycho and that's it.

631
00:39:05,932 --> 00:39:08,092
The deputy leader, who is a rookie.

632
00:39:08,322 --> 00:39:11,862
So how you're a deputy leader when you're a rookie, I don't understand.

633
00:39:12,342 --> 00:39:15,592
Was working, uh, on behalf of a lobby firm.

634
00:39:16,157 --> 00:39:21,967
With Walmart as her client during lockdowns to ensure that lockdowns

635
00:39:21,987 --> 00:39:25,457
were enforced, Walmart could stay open, but small businesses would close.

636
00:39:25,457 --> 00:39:29,317
That's the deputy leader of the Conservative Party, and the firm

637
00:39:29,317 --> 00:39:34,327
that she worked for was co founded by Justin Trudeau's chief of staff.

638
00:39:35,157 --> 00:39:40,797
It's the Uniparty, and until we break the Uniparty, nothing's gonna change.

639
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:47,940
One of the most eye opening moments about politics for me was when I saw staple

640
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:55,130
diagrams of, uh, the expenditures, like the, the budgets for, for the, the so

641
00:39:55,130 --> 00:40:00,140
called the left wingers and the so called right wingers, and you saw the staples

642
00:40:00,150 --> 00:40:06,555
just, just barely, uh, I mean, They don't really want to change anything.

643
00:40:06,585 --> 00:40:10,745
They just want to keep on going as things are, and change a little here, a little

644
00:40:10,745 --> 00:40:14,755
there, and a little lever here, but no one wants to really change anything,

645
00:40:15,022 --> 00:40:21,142
Well, look, in the case of Canada, Justin Trudeau polls right now at the base level.

646
00:40:21,142 --> 00:40:22,202
This is why I love Scott Adams.

647
00:40:22,202 --> 00:40:26,072
25 percent of people will screw up every question no matter what you ask them.

648
00:40:26,542 --> 00:40:31,232
But they have a base of 24 percent right now that still think Justin

649
00:40:31,232 --> 00:40:32,612
Trudeau is doing a wonderful job.

650
00:40:32,632 --> 00:40:33,302
Why?

651
00:40:34,077 --> 00:40:35,997
Because they're in business together.

652
00:40:36,407 --> 00:40:39,387
It's either big business, or people work for the government,

653
00:40:39,907 --> 00:40:43,377
uh, or they have contracts with the government, they're a subcontractor.

654
00:40:43,807 --> 00:40:46,717
This is the danger of big government.

655
00:40:46,757 --> 00:40:52,347
It leads to this grift that everybody profits from, but unfortunately also

656
00:40:52,347 --> 00:40:57,077
destroys the society, and it tears apart any sort of freedoms that we should have.

657
00:40:57,590 --> 00:41:00,510
So, how did Justin Trudeau get into power in the first place?

658
00:41:00,766 --> 00:41:03,086
Because conservatives are completely incompetent.

659
00:41:03,567 --> 00:41:08,087
yeah, I mean, the left isn't right, and there's no right left,

660
00:41:08,406 --> 00:41:10,376
like, I'll give you one perfect example.

661
00:41:10,386 --> 00:41:14,056
Like, when Justin Trudeau was elected, that was the election that I ran for

662
00:41:14,056 --> 00:41:15,736
the conservatives as a favor to them.

663
00:41:15,836 --> 00:41:20,346
I bet they regret that, asking me for that favor now, but what can I do?

664
00:41:20,476 --> 00:41:24,026
I tell the truth, man, whether you like it or not, just don't lie and you'll be cool.

665
00:41:24,096 --> 00:41:26,381
But anyways, they, um...

666
00:41:26,381 --> 00:41:27,621
They ran this campaign.

667
00:41:27,621 --> 00:41:31,001
They send, what they do is they'll, they'll send lit the, the literature

668
00:41:31,001 --> 00:41:32,301
to all the campaign offices.

669
00:41:32,781 --> 00:41:36,651
So you get an email and has all the different sort of flyers and different

670
00:41:36,651 --> 00:41:42,451
size and configuration with the branding and the three main points that you are

671
00:41:42,451 --> 00:41:44,241
supposed to talk to people at the door.

672
00:41:44,701 --> 00:41:47,531
So I took it all and I said to my campaign team, I'm like, yeah,

673
00:41:47,611 --> 00:41:50,601
take all that stuff and you can just throw it out, get rid of it.

674
00:41:50,671 --> 00:41:55,411
At that time I had a business that was on campus doing graphic design and.

675
00:41:55,796 --> 00:41:57,856
I knew enough about persuasion and marketing and stuff.

676
00:41:57,856 --> 00:41:59,606
I'm like, yeah, throw it all out.

677
00:42:00,226 --> 00:42:01,186
Get it away from here.

678
00:42:01,406 --> 00:42:02,546
We'll make our own lit.

679
00:42:02,606 --> 00:42:05,696
And I managed to take us from a 4 percent low in our riding

680
00:42:06,076 --> 00:42:10,326
to 10 percent by ignoring the conservative party headquarters.

681
00:42:10,386 --> 00:42:10,876
Why?

682
00:42:11,256 --> 00:42:15,086
Because, and this was my argument to them, but they're so incompetent.

683
00:42:15,396 --> 00:42:20,136
And so stupid, and it's the revolving door of losers in all these conservative

684
00:42:20,136 --> 00:42:21,936
parties that run all these campaigns.

685
00:42:22,306 --> 00:42:23,906
This is why they always lose.

686
00:42:23,946 --> 00:42:27,716
And the, for example, with the lit that they sent, there was a tagline,

687
00:42:27,726 --> 00:42:28,996
Luke, I'm sure you remember this.

688
00:42:29,596 --> 00:42:31,416
It was Justin Trudeau.

689
00:42:31,916 --> 00:42:33,536
He's just not ready.

690
00:42:34,166 --> 00:42:37,106
And I saw that and I wanted to break my computer.

691
00:42:37,216 --> 00:42:37,816
Why?

692
00:42:38,296 --> 00:42:45,446
Because marketing 101, the subconscious cannot process negative ideas.

693
00:42:45,986 --> 00:42:52,696
So when you say Justin Trudeau, he's just not ready, you're forcing the recipient to

694
00:42:52,706 --> 00:42:55,686
imagine Justin Trudeau as prime minister.

695
00:42:55,971 --> 00:42:59,931
They got him elected because they're so incompetent and stupid.

696
00:43:00,281 --> 00:43:03,811
And when I tried to bring that up, I was the bad guy because political

697
00:43:03,811 --> 00:43:08,261
parties are cults and when you leave the party, what do they do?

698
00:43:08,381 --> 00:43:14,011
They spend all their time online creating bots to defame you just like a cult.

699
00:43:14,658 --> 00:43:17,538
There's another, there's another deeper answer to that question that

700
00:43:17,538 --> 00:43:21,718
I think it was maybe also getting at here was that Trudeau was only in

701
00:43:21,718 --> 00:43:25,928
this position because his father was the prime minister for a decade or so

702
00:43:25,938 --> 00:43:27,718
back in the, it was the 80s, right?

703
00:43:27,718 --> 00:43:29,248
I think, um,

704
00:43:29,388 --> 00:43:29,528
yeah.

705
00:43:30,573 --> 00:43:32,813
70s and he was terrible.

706
00:43:32,813 --> 00:43:40,223
He broke the oil industry the first time in Canada, and well, then

707
00:43:40,843 --> 00:43:45,771
he took a trip to Cuba, and that was exciting And then, so Justin

708
00:43:45,777 --> 00:43:48,637
gets born nine months later or so, something like that, and then he was a

709
00:43:48,637 --> 00:43:53,787
drama teacher, and, uh, but he gave a, he gave a eulogy at his father's funeral

710
00:43:53,797 --> 00:43:59,237
back in the early 2000s, and that's what got him onto the, uh, radar of political

711
00:43:59,237 --> 00:44:05,337
people, and then I don't know, somehow the drama teacher upbringing, silver

712
00:44:05,337 --> 00:44:11,537
spoon, et cetera, et cetera, wasn't a recipe for a great political mind.

713
00:44:11,732 --> 00:44:13,382
Well, there's also something to add to that.

714
00:44:13,452 --> 00:44:17,592
So, you know, I've always tried to make sure I had friends from all sorts of

715
00:44:17,592 --> 00:44:21,432
different backgrounds, political ideas, whatever, because that's how you learn.

716
00:44:21,442 --> 00:44:25,312
You, you don't, you can't believe in your ideas if you don't challenge them and

717
00:44:25,322 --> 00:44:26,882
have people who disagree with you, right?

718
00:44:27,497 --> 00:44:31,887
And so I have a friend, uh, for many, many years, he was a political guy, never

719
00:44:31,887 --> 00:44:35,407
thought I would be in politics, it's because I saw what he wasted his time

720
00:44:35,407 --> 00:44:38,677
with, I'm like, I don't know what you're doing, but anyways, he's a liberal, he

721
00:44:38,677 --> 00:44:43,817
was a liberal for his entire life, until recently, and I think he might try to go

722
00:44:43,817 --> 00:44:50,337
back in to try to fix it, but anyways, uh, he was, uh, helping a candidate

723
00:44:50,337 --> 00:44:55,652
in a certain writing, uh, leading up to Trudeau, And he explained, him and

724
00:44:55,662 --> 00:44:59,152
many other people have explained, I've heard this many, many times, including

725
00:44:59,152 --> 00:45:03,012
former Liberal cabinet members who have reached out to me since the convoy, by

726
00:45:03,012 --> 00:45:04,712
the way, because they're also concerned.

727
00:45:05,502 --> 00:45:07,842
And basically what they did is they had a deal.

728
00:45:08,022 --> 00:45:14,657
So it was Omar Algebra, Hoskins, Uh, Jerry Butts, who's Trudeau's brain,

729
00:45:15,177 --> 00:45:16,547
uh, and a couple of other people.

730
00:45:16,927 --> 00:45:21,037
They approached Trudeau, they understood that the name recognition would work,

731
00:45:21,047 --> 00:45:25,607
he was the right age, uh, he looked good enough, and that they thought they

732
00:45:25,607 --> 00:45:30,307
could make him, uh, win the nomination for leader of the liberal party.

733
00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:33,147
And everybody else, you know, the Kretchen liberals and

734
00:45:33,147 --> 00:45:35,712
whatever, like, The guy's a moron.

735
00:45:36,382 --> 00:45:38,882
No, he's not gonna be elected leader.

736
00:45:38,912 --> 00:45:43,692
I mean, they spent four years raising 40 million dollars, uh, to get him elected.

737
00:45:44,292 --> 00:45:51,042
And once he did, kind of the older, all parties have an older generation

738
00:45:51,042 --> 00:45:52,512
of people who have experience.

739
00:45:52,542 --> 00:45:55,362
They understand you can only go so far.

740
00:45:55,402 --> 00:45:57,542
You also have to give something to the other side.

741
00:45:57,542 --> 00:45:59,442
You can't be quite extreme.

742
00:45:59,862 --> 00:46:02,052
They were thrown out of the liberal party.

743
00:46:02,482 --> 00:46:04,372
And it just became the Trudeau party.

744
00:46:04,372 --> 00:46:10,472
But Trudeau's deal was, he, and he let this slip one time in an interview, he

745
00:46:10,472 --> 00:46:12,812
was to be the relationships manager.

746
00:46:13,202 --> 00:46:14,822
He didn't know anything about politics.

747
00:46:15,222 --> 00:46:16,332
Again, he's a moron.

748
00:46:16,682 --> 00:46:17,902
Everybody knew that.

749
00:46:18,142 --> 00:46:23,937
So they told him, look, We'll run PMO, you just have to go out and

750
00:46:24,397 --> 00:46:29,627
sell people on Canada, inspire them to be progressive and have a

751
00:46:29,737 --> 00:46:31,027
brighter future and blah, blah, blah.

752
00:46:31,027 --> 00:46:34,167
We'll give you the talking points, but we'll do everything behind the scenes.

753
00:46:34,957 --> 00:46:40,367
And he agreed to it and that, and nobody in that party thought he stood

754
00:46:40,367 --> 00:46:43,557
a chance, but he won and there we are.

755
00:46:43,557 --> 00:46:44,667
And then the Conservatives ended it all.

756
00:46:45,242 --> 00:46:49,702
But, like, for me, it's so hard to understand that it can go so far.

757
00:46:50,262 --> 00:46:55,792
I saw an interview with Trudeau from back before he was elected president,

758
00:46:56,247 --> 00:46:56,597
Yeah,

759
00:46:56,932 --> 00:47:01,332
where the reporter asks him if there's a specific country that he's...

760
00:47:01,592 --> 00:47:05,632
Especially impressed by, and he answers China.

761
00:47:06,372 --> 00:47:08,352
Like, that's a good role model.

762
00:47:08,762 --> 00:47:09,992
And people vote for that,

763
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:15,970
because remember we, we all have, all of us do have, um,

764
00:47:16,050 --> 00:47:17,650
a certain confirmation bias.

765
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,250
And when we're already sold on somebody or an idea that's in front of us,

766
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:29,510
we become blind and oblivious to the things that should be red flags.

767
00:47:29,950 --> 00:47:31,160
I guarantee you...

768
00:47:31,475 --> 00:47:34,785
All those people in that room who saw that interview, because it was like a

769
00:47:34,785 --> 00:47:37,845
women in, in politics or something event.

770
00:47:38,325 --> 00:47:42,585
When he said, the country I most admire is China, I bet you if you

771
00:47:42,615 --> 00:47:45,885
asked every woman in that room, they'll say, he never said that.

772
00:47:46,371 --> 00:47:47,991
And they say, oh, what a good looking man.

773
00:47:48,509 --> 00:47:49,649
Yeah, but just say, what are you talking about?

774
00:47:49,659 --> 00:47:50,689
He didn't say anything about China.

775
00:47:50,889 --> 00:47:52,029
He's just talking about Canada.

776
00:47:52,269 --> 00:47:53,149
He's running for Canada.

777
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,699
Why would he, I bet you if you polled him, that would happen.

778
00:47:56,169 --> 00:47:59,769
Because we all have these blind spots when we buy into some sort of ideal.

779
00:47:59,969 --> 00:48:00,349
Right?

780
00:48:01,319 --> 00:48:01,769
Yeah.

781
00:48:01,859 --> 00:48:02,219
Yeah.

782
00:48:02,219 --> 00:48:03,119
A lot of us do.

783
00:48:03,419 --> 00:48:05,452
Um, Yeah.

784
00:48:05,452 --> 00:48:07,012
What a, what a story.

785
00:48:07,162 --> 00:48:07,672
Okay.

786
00:48:07,822 --> 00:48:11,212
The part we haven't talked about yet in this whole, um, um.

787
00:48:11,912 --> 00:48:15,642
Uh, adventure is how Bitcoin comes in.

788
00:48:15,642 --> 00:48:19,302
There's like, the way I remember it, there was a GoFundMe campaign and

789
00:48:19,302 --> 00:48:24,702
then all of a sudden all the GoFundMe funds were go fund GoFund yourselves.

790
00:48:25,362 --> 00:48:30,762
Uh, uh, like, uh, they were given back to whoever tried to, uh, or just.

791
00:48:31,717 --> 00:48:34,927
Locked in somewhere, uh, or went to another charity or something.

792
00:48:34,947 --> 00:48:37,997
I think those sent them back to the people who tried to donate, right?

793
00:48:38,837 --> 00:48:43,737
Uh, so you couldn't do a GoFundMe for, for this particular thing because,

794
00:48:44,147 --> 00:48:47,917
because of, uh, I guess, influence from the Canadian government.

795
00:48:48,555 --> 00:48:52,855
Okay, so there's, there's a lot to unpack there, but I'll do, I'll try to do the

796
00:48:52,855 --> 00:48:54,685
short version, uh, from the beginning.

797
00:48:54,765 --> 00:48:59,395
Uh, something that I didn't know, that I, I only was told maybe, I don't know

798
00:48:59,395 --> 00:49:03,965
how many months ago now, was there was a, a Bitcoiner who used to handle Moses.

799
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:07,840
On Twitter, who came to one of the Bitcoin spaces, because I'm frequently in

800
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,180
Bitcoin spaces, and he mentioned something about the Canadian truckers, he's like,

801
00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:14,260
oh yeah, I tried to help you guys.

802
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:15,590
I'm like, yeah, yeah, we had some Bitcoiners.

803
00:49:15,590 --> 00:49:16,970
He's like, no, no, no, before.

804
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:18,250
Well, what are you talking about?

805
00:49:18,610 --> 00:49:24,380
He said when Tamera and whoever was going across Can it on the way to Ottawa?

806
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:28,360
He said, we were already concerned because they saw the GoFundMe at

807
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,560
that point had some like four or 5 million when we arrived, he said, we

808
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,490
Bitcoiners already thought you guys would have your GoFundMe frozen.

809
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:42,090
And listen, we all kind of knew that when they started to GoFundMe, the idea

810
00:49:42,090 --> 00:49:44,910
wasn't to get, you know, 6 million.

811
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:46,410
They didn't think it would grow that big.

812
00:49:47,050 --> 00:49:49,910
But he said, I got on the phone with he said this.

813
00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:55,080
A woman, Tamara, and somebody in the truck and said, I'm a, I'm a Bitcoiner

814
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,920
and we want to help you because the money's going to get frozen.

815
00:49:58,260 --> 00:50:00,570
And apparently, and she never told me this, you know, you think

816
00:50:00,570 --> 00:50:02,990
she'd tell me this stuff, but she didn't tell me a lot of stuff.

817
00:50:03,610 --> 00:50:06,940
Uh, she said, I don't need video game money.

818
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:08,360
I need real money.

819
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:10,810
I'm like, I thought this is not about money.

820
00:50:10,810 --> 00:50:12,390
I was shocked when he told me this.

821
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:12,870
I'm like, what?

822
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:14,350
Like, you're lying.

823
00:50:14,350 --> 00:50:15,780
He's like, no, no, I did.

824
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:17,390
I'm like, that's crazy.

825
00:50:18,010 --> 00:50:22,930
So, uh, it became, it came on my radar when after one of the interviews that I

826
00:50:22,930 --> 00:50:27,300
did, maybe it's after the first weekend, beginning of the, the, the first, after

827
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:31,090
the first weekend, I think into the first week, just after I broke my ankle.

828
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:34,800
So, February 5th, I think is what it was, if I'm not mistaken.

829
00:50:36,180 --> 00:50:42,360
I get a message on Twitter from Caribou, and Caribou says, Hey

830
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,550
man, you know that's, he's like so soft and subtle, even in his text,

831
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:48,350
like, Hey man, are you a Bitcoiner?

832
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:51,390
And I'm like, yeah, because they saw me on somewhere.

833
00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:54,170
On some interview and they looked me up on Twitter and they saw the

834
00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:56,500
hashtag Bitcoiner, hashtag Bitcoin.

835
00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:59,430
And I'm like, yeah, I never talked about Bitcoin.

836
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,900
I always just did it on my own.

837
00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:05,380
And, um, he said, so he obviously gave me some test questions.

838
00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:09,030
I can't remember what they were, but he's like, Oh yeah, where do you custody?

839
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:10,050
You know, how do you buy it?

840
00:51:10,050 --> 00:51:11,350
Blah, blah, blah, all that sort of stuff.

841
00:51:11,350 --> 00:51:13,140
So I'm like, Oh, I use this wallet, that blah, blah, blah.

842
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:14,680
And he's like, Oh, okay.

843
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,730
So when you get in and I told him how I, you know, my origin story.

844
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:21,230
And then he said, cool, man.

845
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:22,600
Can I come see you?

846
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,150
Because we're trying to raise money for Bitcoin for you guys.

847
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:26,690
And I said, yeah, sure.

848
00:51:26,730 --> 00:51:27,590
Do you want to come tomorrow?

849
00:51:27,590 --> 00:51:28,350
He's like, cool.

850
00:51:28,890 --> 00:51:34,780
So he, apparently he was on his way to see me and he was wearing the Bitcoin

851
00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:38,670
toque that he gave me and a bunch of people saw him like, Hey, Bitcoin.

852
00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:39,890
He's like, yeah, I'm going to meet BJ.

853
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:40,860
You want to come with me?

854
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:42,300
He's like, oh, yeah, sure.

855
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:42,710
Let's go.

856
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:46,500
So like 15, 15 of them just show up in.

857
00:51:46,955 --> 00:51:47,795
And we had two rooms.

858
00:51:47,795 --> 00:51:48,695
One was the media room.

859
00:51:48,695 --> 00:51:49,565
One was my hotel room.

860
00:51:49,565 --> 00:51:52,925
They show up in the media room and all these guys all around

861
00:51:52,925 --> 00:51:54,055
me, they all had Bitcoin stuff.

862
00:51:54,055 --> 00:51:56,175
I'm like, Hey guys, what's up?

863
00:51:57,535 --> 00:52:01,735
So they told me, yeah, we're, we're running a tally coin and we've raised,

864
00:52:02,035 --> 00:52:05,585
I can't remember what it was at that time, maybe two or 300, 000 or something.

865
00:52:06,085 --> 00:52:09,395
Um, but he said, we've raised a few Bitcoin already.

866
00:52:09,905 --> 00:52:13,665
And so we have more coming in and you're worried about the money

867
00:52:13,665 --> 00:52:16,685
being frozen, but we're also worried, you know, it seems nobody

868
00:52:16,685 --> 00:52:18,255
understands Bitcoin here or whatever.

869
00:52:18,255 --> 00:52:20,795
I'm like, oh yeah, dude, they're total boomers, all of them.

870
00:52:21,495 --> 00:52:24,235
And I said, look, go get Bitcoin.

871
00:52:24,295 --> 00:52:25,535
You have my blessing.

872
00:52:25,635 --> 00:52:27,095
Uh, I support you.

873
00:52:27,625 --> 00:52:32,445
I'll deal with the boomers and try to sort that out, but, uh, I got your

874
00:52:32,445 --> 00:52:35,975
back, and yeah, it'd be great if we can get some, uh, Bitcoin to some of these

875
00:52:35,975 --> 00:52:38,375
truckers, and make this Bitcoin's moment.

876
00:52:38,385 --> 00:52:42,455
So here I am, in this, this scenario where I, I'm trying to now make...

877
00:52:42,835 --> 00:52:46,325
This alternative media's moment and Bitcoin's moment.

878
00:52:46,335 --> 00:52:47,835
It was awesome, right?

879
00:52:47,865 --> 00:52:49,595
That's why I probably enjoyed it so much.

880
00:52:50,645 --> 00:52:54,335
And, uh, so he went out and they started raising money and that's

881
00:52:54,335 --> 00:52:58,855
when I, I met, um, He connected me with, uh, BTC Sessions.

882
00:52:59,455 --> 00:53:02,315
And I'm like, oh my god, I started watching him.

883
00:53:02,315 --> 00:53:03,575
I've told them this a few times.

884
00:53:04,225 --> 00:53:06,775
I started watching him on his second or third video.

885
00:53:07,115 --> 00:53:09,345
Like, he's one of the people who really helped me.

886
00:53:09,665 --> 00:53:12,065
Learn how to custody Bitcoin and all that.

887
00:53:12,145 --> 00:53:15,385
I was just watching his tutorials, my entire Bitcoin.

888
00:53:16,930 --> 00:53:25,520
He's also one of the first Bitcoiners I hooked up with in Riga in 2019.

889
00:53:25,958 --> 00:53:29,228
So they were all kind of working together and they had so many

890
00:53:29,248 --> 00:53:34,088
technical problems that it's beyond my capacity to understand.

891
00:53:34,258 --> 00:53:37,718
Uh, you know, like, yeah, I can run a node, I can self custody.

892
00:53:38,018 --> 00:53:42,568
I have a minor, but that's about as advanced as I get.

893
00:53:42,578 --> 00:53:46,478
Like I just have other things in my life, but so they were trying to figure it out.

894
00:53:46,498 --> 00:53:48,248
They're trying to set up a nunchuck wallet.

895
00:53:48,248 --> 00:53:51,488
They want it to be multi sig and I'm like, okay, you guys do it.

896
00:53:51,808 --> 00:53:53,548
Just let me know what's happening.

897
00:53:53,558 --> 00:53:55,958
Keep me up to date so I can support you.

898
00:53:55,958 --> 00:54:00,388
And if we got a message, something we can, and I went to the boomers.

899
00:54:01,098 --> 00:54:05,798
Who half of them were now political ops, as we know, as a result of diverge

900
00:54:05,798 --> 00:54:08,148
media, uh, who are not there to help us.

901
00:54:08,258 --> 00:54:10,368
But I said to them, uh, good.

902
00:54:10,388 --> 00:54:13,788
Hey, they, a bunch of them came into my room cause at that time I had

903
00:54:13,788 --> 00:54:17,688
a broken ankle, so we would have, they basically have to come in and

904
00:54:17,688 --> 00:54:22,268
out of my room regularly, uh, just to apprise people, apprise each

905
00:54:22,268 --> 00:54:23,398
other, everything that's going on.

906
00:54:23,958 --> 00:54:24,858
And, uh.

907
00:54:24,993 --> 00:54:27,793
A group of them came in to my hotel room.

908
00:54:27,793 --> 00:54:28,713
I can't remember the reason.

909
00:54:29,093 --> 00:54:30,183
There was always a different reason.

910
00:54:30,183 --> 00:54:31,953
You know, the fuel truck was being blocked.

911
00:54:32,473 --> 00:54:36,993
Uh, you saw what happened with the gas cans and me and a couple other people

912
00:54:36,993 --> 00:54:39,653
thought, well, why would just buy all the gas cans in the city of Ottawa?

913
00:54:39,983 --> 00:54:41,653
You know, so the stuff like that was going on.

914
00:54:42,073 --> 00:54:43,763
So they came in, I'm like, Hey guys, good news.

915
00:54:43,883 --> 00:54:46,073
Knowing, knowing exactly what I was going to get.

916
00:54:46,403 --> 00:54:50,943
I said, there's a bunch of people out there raising money in Bitcoin for us.

917
00:54:52,803 --> 00:54:57,573
And they just, one of them just piped up, that's for criminal

918
00:54:57,573 --> 00:54:59,633
activity, that's criminal money.

919
00:54:59,783 --> 00:55:01,053
We can't have bitcoin here.

920
00:55:01,053 --> 00:55:02,283
I'm like, oh, for fuck's sakes.

921
00:55:02,573 --> 00:55:06,823
It's like, it's like easier to orange pill people in a retirement home

922
00:55:06,823 --> 00:55:08,043
than some of these people, you know?

923
00:55:08,733 --> 00:55:09,823
But, um.

924
00:55:10,658 --> 00:55:15,278
So I did my best to try to rapid orange pill people, rapid fire orange

925
00:55:15,278 --> 00:55:20,728
pill, uh, failed miserably, but I knew I'd have to do it over time, and

926
00:55:20,728 --> 00:55:24,598
I said to Kerby, don't worry, just ignore them, just do your thing, I

927
00:55:24,598 --> 00:55:26,638
got your back, and they were great.

928
00:55:27,058 --> 00:55:30,708
So, amongst the, you know, the political people is always fighting and infighting

929
00:55:30,708 --> 00:55:34,308
and people fighting with each other and trying to cause fights cause, you

930
00:55:34,308 --> 00:55:38,178
know, people wanted to be on camera, wanted to be famous, wanted to be rich,

931
00:55:38,188 --> 00:55:41,398
and whatever, and I'm like, oh my god, you guys don't know what you're into.

932
00:55:41,518 --> 00:55:44,278
The bitcoiners didn't care about any of that.

933
00:55:44,678 --> 00:55:46,248
They're like, we just want to help truckers.

934
00:55:46,248 --> 00:55:49,638
I'm like, God bless you guys for being so normal and sane.

935
00:55:49,698 --> 00:55:50,318
Thank you.

936
00:55:50,388 --> 00:55:53,568
You know, it was, it was a pleasure, it was like a release.

937
00:55:53,693 --> 00:55:57,293
to be able to reach out and talk to them, uh, periodically and they'd

938
00:55:57,303 --> 00:56:01,233
have some sanity versus the other, uh, nonsense I was dealing with.

939
00:56:01,233 --> 00:56:01,713
And it was great.

940
00:56:01,763 --> 00:56:03,703
So we eventually raised 1.

941
00:56:03,813 --> 00:56:09,883
2 million in Bitcoin, uh, distributed over 800, 000 in that.

942
00:56:10,133 --> 00:56:11,513
I can't remember how many Bitcoin it was.

943
00:56:11,923 --> 00:56:13,443
Otherwise I'd be speaking in Bitcoin.

944
00:56:13,843 --> 00:56:15,903
I think we raised 21 Bitcoin.

945
00:56:16,653 --> 00:56:22,103
Approximately, and distributed 17 bitcoin or something like

946
00:56:22,103 --> 00:56:23,683
that, in and about, okay?

947
00:56:24,403 --> 00:56:29,893
And, uh, so those 17 bitcoin went directly to the truckers, and the only

948
00:56:29,893 --> 00:56:36,933
way the remaining bitcoin was seized, was the OPP, which is the Ontario

949
00:56:36,933 --> 00:56:42,533
Provincial Police, and the RCMP, which is the Federal Police, got a warrant

950
00:56:42,543 --> 00:56:46,673
from a judge who rubber stamps anything, and they raided Caribou's house.

951
00:56:47,528 --> 00:56:51,638
And they took his laptop, they took his phones, they took his podcast

952
00:56:51,638 --> 00:56:54,538
mic, they just took like a whole bunch of stuff, anything that was

953
00:56:54,538 --> 00:56:57,108
electronic, and they scared him.

954
00:56:57,248 --> 00:56:58,618
And they're like, what's the seed phrase?

955
00:56:58,658 --> 00:57:03,378
They clearly knew about Bitcoin and how it operates, and, you know, he'd never

956
00:57:03,378 --> 00:57:06,528
been in trouble with the law, he's never done anything wrong or whatever, you get

957
00:57:06,608 --> 00:57:11,468
scared when you get raided by the police, it was just a full intimidation tactic.

958
00:57:11,763 --> 00:57:13,783
He still hasn't done anything wrong.

959
00:57:14,583 --> 00:57:15,103
That's right.

960
00:57:15,293 --> 00:57:15,833
That's right.

961
00:57:15,873 --> 00:57:16,983
He's a hero.

962
00:57:17,063 --> 00:57:17,663
He really is.

963
00:57:18,133 --> 00:57:19,853
He's a hero that we need to celebrate.

964
00:57:19,883 --> 00:57:22,893
And we're going to celebrate him much more in the future.

965
00:57:23,363 --> 00:57:26,823
But, um, so he, uh, okay, fine.

966
00:57:26,823 --> 00:57:28,933
Here, here's here's my seed phrase, whatever.

967
00:57:29,373 --> 00:57:32,873
And then the remaining because I think he got the others from the other people when

968
00:57:32,963 --> 00:57:34,763
when things started to get really hot.

969
00:57:35,483 --> 00:57:40,053
And that's how we distributed the, uh, the 800 plus thousand, because I was

970
00:57:40,053 --> 00:57:41,553
dealing with chaos all over the place.

971
00:57:42,273 --> 00:57:47,783
And then I submitted the remaining seed phrase into escrow to, uh,

972
00:57:47,863 --> 00:57:50,403
our, the lawyers who just showed up.

973
00:57:50,403 --> 00:57:52,453
Remember the JCCF I told you about?

974
00:57:52,843 --> 00:57:55,703
Who now wants claim over the remaining Bitcoin, by the way.

975
00:57:56,403 --> 00:58:02,843
Uh, so they, uh, submitted the seed phrase in an affidavit to court.

976
00:58:03,478 --> 00:58:07,388
So there's an affidavit on the record that it's verified it is in the

977
00:58:07,388 --> 00:58:10,048
possession of the bankruptcy trustee.

978
00:58:10,448 --> 00:58:15,838
What do you think our lawyer who's tied to the conservative party did?

979
00:58:16,438 --> 00:58:20,628
Well, he went on the record in the POEC and said, I don't know what

980
00:58:20,628 --> 00:58:25,578
happened to the Bitcoin, uh, BJ and his Bitcoin guys must have stolen it.

981
00:58:25,983 --> 00:58:28,003
Or something like that, you can use those exact words.

982
00:58:28,633 --> 00:58:31,703
That's the political class who screwed us all, right?

983
00:58:31,703 --> 00:58:35,763
They're definitely afraid of Bitcoin, but I think it was an amazing story.

984
00:58:35,983 --> 00:58:38,293
That just shows the power of Bitcoin.

985
00:58:40,098 --> 00:58:46,978
It is so amazing because like now, uh, whenever there's a peace, peaceful

986
00:58:47,008 --> 00:58:51,978
freedom protest anywhere on the earth, literally anywhere where there's

987
00:58:52,058 --> 00:58:58,938
an internet connection, uh, the protesters have this way of funding

988
00:58:58,938 --> 00:59:00,618
themselves that they didn't have before.

989
00:59:01,033 --> 00:59:08,693
And a way to get around any type of, uh, embargo against them, uh, any type

990
00:59:08,693 --> 00:59:14,383
of, you know, political interference that it's, it truly is unstoppable.

991
00:59:14,473 --> 00:59:17,873
And, you know, you can memorize the seed phrase and cross a border,

992
00:59:18,413 --> 00:59:20,793
uh, with 10 million in your head.

993
00:59:21,163 --> 00:59:23,023
Like the, it, it.

994
00:59:23,973 --> 00:59:28,813
On a long enough time frame, but, but also right now it's, it changes

995
00:59:28,853 --> 00:59:30,893
the political map completely.

996
00:59:31,723 --> 00:59:34,103
and something to add on to, very important, I don't know if you're going to

997
00:59:34,103 --> 00:59:35,883
get there, but this is really important.

998
00:59:35,993 --> 00:59:39,373
When I left, we had this whole commission, which was an investigation.

999
00:59:39,733 --> 00:59:43,373
I testified, they denied me standing, so I didn't get the right to cross

1000
00:59:43,373 --> 00:59:46,373
examine people, because if I did, I would have destroyed all of them.

1001
00:59:46,758 --> 00:59:52,048
But I came out of that hearing and there was some woman with a pride flag

1002
00:59:52,588 --> 00:59:56,468
screaming, you know, they knew who I was, she's a political operative now

1003
00:59:56,468 --> 01:00:00,878
that we know, but screaming, you know, racist, bigots, blah, blah, blah,

1004
01:00:01,188 --> 01:00:05,708
BJ terrorist, Hong Kong terrorist, whatever she was, just stupidity.

1005
01:00:06,098 --> 01:00:11,178
And what I did was I grabbed my phone and I went up to right in front of

1006
01:00:11,178 --> 01:00:16,913
her, I turned on Instagram, and I said, Uh, the, the whole purpose of

1007
01:00:16,923 --> 01:00:23,443
the Freedom Convoy was to protect all our freedom of speech, including hers.

1008
01:00:24,033 --> 01:00:27,803
She should be able to say whatever she wants, and we have the

1009
01:00:27,803 --> 01:00:30,373
right to refute her if we want.

1010
01:00:30,383 --> 01:00:33,613
That is the whole purpose of what the Freedom Convoy is, and

1011
01:00:33,613 --> 01:00:35,223
that's the purpose of Bitcoin.

1012
01:00:35,653 --> 01:00:40,973
I don't want Bitcoin, I want Bitcoin to be for my adversaries as well, for

1013
01:00:40,973 --> 01:00:45,453
them to protect their speech, because that's the only way we fix what's

1014
01:00:45,453 --> 01:00:47,113
going on in our society right now.

1015
01:00:48,063 --> 01:00:48,293
Yeah.

1016
01:00:48,313 --> 01:00:51,093
How did the racist thing come in?

1017
01:00:51,093 --> 01:00:54,663
Like, what did this thing have to do with race?

1018
01:00:55,073 --> 01:00:55,993
Like at all?

1019
01:00:56,783 --> 01:01:00,893
The Prime Minister inferred that, and some other Jewish organizations, inferred...

1020
01:01:02,223 --> 01:01:04,783
That I'm a white supremacist, that I'm a Jew.

1021
01:01:04,823 --> 01:01:09,103
I explained in an interview, like, unlike Prime Minister Blackface, Mr.

1022
01:01:09,103 --> 01:01:13,803
Diversity, uh, some of us still have family buried in mass graves

1023
01:01:13,803 --> 01:01:17,763
in Europe, but, you know, what a, it's, it's clown world, man.

1024
01:01:17,863 --> 01:01:19,993
Just say whatever they want to say.

1025
01:01:20,013 --> 01:01:20,443
That's it.

1026
01:01:20,933 --> 01:01:24,313
And they hope that they're persuasive enough that a percentage of the

1027
01:01:24,313 --> 01:01:26,423
population will just parrot it.

1028
01:01:26,473 --> 01:01:27,953
Unfortunately, sometimes that happens.

1029
01:01:29,012 --> 01:01:34,432
Oh man, but, but yeah, it's really a testament to the power of Bitcoin.

1030
01:01:34,492 --> 01:01:40,502
I know around the same time, like when, um, um, Putin invaded Ukraine, there

1031
01:01:40,502 --> 01:01:46,922
was picture that there were pictures of a, um, some from some border where the

1032
01:01:46,922 --> 01:01:53,712
customs officers have had confiscated a, um, briefcase full of gold bars, rubles.

1033
01:01:54,327 --> 01:01:56,187
Euros and dollar bills.

1034
01:01:56,609 --> 01:02:00,409
And, and the funny thing about the picture, I don't know if, if, if

1035
01:02:00,409 --> 01:02:04,269
the, the refugee was Russian or Ukrainian, it doesn't really matter.

1036
01:02:04,589 --> 01:02:10,039
The, the, the, what matters is the answers to the post on Twitter because all the

1037
01:02:10,099 --> 01:02:15,349
answers, uh, or all the Bitcoin answers said, like, look at this idiot who can't

1038
01:02:15,369 --> 01:02:20,379
remember 12 words, like, uh, so, so.

1039
01:02:20,904 --> 01:02:26,594
Yeah, but it's true, like, if you try to bring a gold bar across a border in

1040
01:02:26,594 --> 01:02:35,374
2023, you're an idiot, like, we have ways of doing that, that are completely

1041
01:02:35,374 --> 01:02:41,004
undetectable, because bitcoins are in your head, and it doesn't even have to be a

1042
01:02:41,004 --> 01:02:45,774
seed phrase, it could just be a secret, any, any type of secret that unlocks

1043
01:02:46,044 --> 01:02:47,724
your, your ability to send the bitcoin.

1044
01:02:48,444 --> 01:02:50,764
It's the bitcoin, so you are your bitcoins.

1045
01:02:51,236 --> 01:02:54,806
And, you know, there's a story I incorporated in the book

1046
01:02:55,266 --> 01:02:56,726
that Jeff Booth told me about.

1047
01:02:57,146 --> 01:03:01,236
That he was, I think it was at the Oslo Freedom Forum, I'm not sure.

1048
01:03:01,716 --> 01:03:05,886
Um, about some people in Ukraine, by the way, Ukraine, Russia, they all suck.

1049
01:03:05,886 --> 01:03:06,476
They're all corrupt.

1050
01:03:06,496 --> 01:03:07,366
I'm not taking a side.

1051
01:03:07,786 --> 01:03:09,146
They're all horrible in my opinion.

1052
01:03:09,226 --> 01:03:09,636
Okay.

1053
01:03:10,101 --> 01:03:12,431
Oh, well, the governments, their governments are

1054
01:03:13,036 --> 01:03:13,436
That's right.

1055
01:03:13,446 --> 01:03:14,056
That's what I mean.

1056
01:03:14,056 --> 01:03:14,706
I don't mean the people.

1057
01:03:14,706 --> 01:03:14,966
I mean the

1058
01:03:15,161 --> 01:03:18,421
Ukrainians and Russians are, are, uh, are cool people.

1059
01:03:18,976 --> 01:03:20,296
Yeah, no, no, for sure.

1060
01:03:21,056 --> 01:03:21,526
For sure.

1061
01:03:21,536 --> 01:03:24,036
No, but the people in government are all exploiting the people.

1062
01:03:24,076 --> 01:03:25,896
So that's why I don't, but anyways.

1063
01:03:26,591 --> 01:03:30,331
And I say that as a preface because the story that Jeff Booth told me met

1064
01:03:30,331 --> 01:03:35,651
with some Ukrainian woman and they needed, um, you know, protection, like

1065
01:03:35,651 --> 01:03:37,451
a bulletproof vest and stuff like that.

1066
01:03:37,761 --> 01:03:41,251
And what they did is they raised it in Bitcoin and they were able to buy

1067
01:03:41,251 --> 01:03:44,471
what they needed for their community to keep people protected and stuff.

1068
01:03:45,031 --> 01:03:48,331
So it's not an endorsement for or against Ukraine or Russia, but the

1069
01:03:48,331 --> 01:03:53,841
point is Bitcoin was there for everybody on any side who needed it for, you

1070
01:03:53,841 --> 01:03:55,601
know, humanitarian needs, right?

1071
01:03:56,131 --> 01:04:02,411
and isn't it funny how people who have a money printer called bitcoin, the,

1072
01:04:02,411 --> 01:04:06,661
you know, criminal, criminal money, money for criminals, they can print.

1073
01:04:07,471 --> 01:04:07,991
Money.

1074
01:04:08,401 --> 01:04:10,381
And they call Bitcoin criminal.

1075
01:04:10,898 --> 01:04:12,398
Yeah, they're worried about the competition, man.

1076
01:04:13,048 --> 01:04:13,948
as they should be.

1077
01:04:14,638 --> 01:04:15,538
Yeah, for sure.

1078
01:04:15,838 --> 01:04:18,148
So the other thing is, you know, you mentioned the GoFundMe

1079
01:04:18,468 --> 01:04:19,148
and then the GiveSendGo.

1080
01:04:20,328 --> 01:04:21,418
The GoFundMe raised 10.

1081
01:04:21,528 --> 01:04:22,678
1 million dollars.

1082
01:04:23,148 --> 01:04:28,648
The first week when we were doing the paperwork with GoFundMe, the fake

1083
01:04:28,648 --> 01:04:32,543
news media, took the bait and started saying, oh, the money has been frozen.

1084
01:04:32,543 --> 01:04:33,433
The money has been frozen.

1085
01:04:33,963 --> 01:04:35,553
And I told everybody, don't respond.

1086
01:04:35,573 --> 01:04:39,703
Just let them keep running this narrative because I was ready with a press release.

1087
01:04:39,883 --> 01:04:43,713
Once the money, once the paperwork was approved and they started transferring

1088
01:04:43,713 --> 01:04:47,073
money, they, uh, I put out a press release saying, I don't know why the

1089
01:04:47,073 --> 01:04:51,103
fake news has once again been lying to their audience, but we've just been

1090
01:04:51,103 --> 01:04:55,763
doing paperwork with GoFundMe, AML, uh, registration, all that sort of stuff.

1091
01:04:56,423 --> 01:04:59,073
And, uh, everything's been approved and they're transferring money now.

1092
01:04:59,113 --> 01:05:04,463
And that lasted, I don't know, three or four days until there was, uh, pressure

1093
01:05:04,463 --> 01:05:08,403
from the city of Ottawa and the Canadian government and then some people on the

1094
01:05:08,403 --> 01:05:10,073
inside who didn't do us any favours.

1095
01:05:10,643 --> 01:05:16,443
That ended up them cancelling that GoFundMe and then we started a GiveSendGo.

1096
01:05:17,618 --> 01:05:20,918
Alright, GiveSendGo was already there, started being utilized, whatever it was.

1097
01:05:21,598 --> 01:05:24,608
Uh, I'm not sure exactly because I'm getting conflicting stories from

1098
01:05:24,608 --> 01:05:28,898
people, but regardless, there was GiveSendGo that raised 9 million

1099
01:05:28,898 --> 01:05:30,298
dollars in the first 12 hours?

1100
01:05:30,753 --> 01:05:31,933
Everybody said screw it.

1101
01:05:32,183 --> 01:05:34,843
And the reason was because nobody cared about the money.

1102
01:05:34,853 --> 01:05:40,613
The money was a vote because we were the official opposition to the Uniparty.

1103
01:05:40,633 --> 01:05:44,783
We were the first real opposition that said enough and had a voice.

1104
01:05:45,273 --> 01:05:47,643
And people, you know, that inspired people.

1105
01:05:47,863 --> 01:05:49,813
You know how many messages I got from people?

1106
01:05:50,203 --> 01:05:52,833
Like some of them were really heavy and difficult to read.

1107
01:05:53,523 --> 01:05:58,253
And I always remember these two, uh, women who had very, very similar stories

1108
01:05:58,283 --> 01:05:59,713
in different provinces in Canada.

1109
01:06:00,548 --> 01:06:04,328
That they both had two children, they were both single, they both

1110
01:06:04,328 --> 01:06:09,648
lost their jobs, and they had both been considering suicide.

1111
01:06:10,598 --> 01:06:13,408
And the only reason they didn't do it is because they didn't know what

1112
01:06:13,408 --> 01:06:14,658
would happen to their children.

1113
01:06:15,458 --> 01:06:19,628
Um, and that was until they saw the trucker convoy.

1114
01:06:19,998 --> 01:06:23,938
And these trucks driving across Canada, bringing people together and they

1115
01:06:23,938 --> 01:06:26,748
realized, oh my God, I'm not alone.

1116
01:06:27,478 --> 01:06:31,898
And I think that was the whole lesson from all of this, that even though we're

1117
01:06:31,898 --> 01:06:35,618
the silent majority, we're all doing our different lives, we have different

1118
01:06:35,618 --> 01:06:40,492
things we got to deal with, uh, at the end of the day, none of us are alone.

1119
01:06:40,873 --> 01:06:44,923
Most of us are pretty rational and practical, and we just want to be left

1120
01:06:44,923 --> 01:06:49,803
alone and focus on the things that we're passionate about, focus on our families

1121
01:06:49,813 --> 01:06:54,123
and our friends and the people we love, and we don't want this bureaucratic

1122
01:06:54,123 --> 01:07:00,223
bullshit in our life, and this was the first real, uh, culmination of unity

1123
01:07:00,233 --> 01:07:04,433
in Canada that said, we want to go back to that, we're not going along

1124
01:07:04,433 --> 01:07:10,113
with this, and you know, one of the first interviews I did in Ottawa, and

1125
01:07:10,113 --> 01:07:14,298
I mentioned this On trigonometry or on low deceders, I know one of the recent

1126
01:07:14,298 --> 01:07:15,658
interviews I did, I mentioned this.

1127
01:07:16,608 --> 01:07:19,378
It was with a journalist who was in Quebec.

1128
01:07:19,478 --> 01:07:22,958
She's a Quebecer working for a French publication.

1129
01:07:23,938 --> 01:07:25,378
And we did an hour long interview.

1130
01:07:25,378 --> 01:07:27,868
It was one of the few print interviews that I did.

1131
01:07:28,678 --> 01:07:31,607
And I asked her at the end, I said, you know, what do you think about this?

1132
01:07:32,338 --> 01:07:36,088
And she said, you know, I, and it's, you know, you, Luke, you might be able to

1133
01:07:36,098 --> 01:07:37,968
help give some additional context to this.

1134
01:07:38,738 --> 01:07:42,658
She said, I used to be a Quebec separatist, meaning wanting Canada,

1135
01:07:42,758 --> 01:07:44,548
she did, she rejected Canada.

1136
01:07:44,988 --> 01:07:47,458
She's a Quebecer and wanted to separate from Canada.

1137
01:07:47,488 --> 01:07:50,518
She said, I was a separatist my entire life.

1138
01:07:51,528 --> 01:07:57,388
Until I saw those trucks driving across the country and I realized I'm

1139
01:07:57,388 --> 01:08:03,198
not alone and that Canadians can come together and unify and she said I went

1140
01:08:03,198 --> 01:08:09,308
out and I bought my first ever Canadian flag and I now identify as a Canadian.

1141
01:08:09,828 --> 01:08:14,958
That's the power we had over the political class and that is what

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01:08:14,958 --> 01:08:16,618
struck so much fear into them.

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01:08:17,023 --> 01:08:17,823
In my opinion.

1144
01:08:18,161 --> 01:08:23,551
Yeah, I have to play the devil's advocate here, because like, I think separatism

1145
01:08:23,581 --> 01:08:27,941
sounds like a very good idea as long as goods and services can cross the border.

1146
01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:31,360
Yeah, I mean, I, I can understand, I can see that point of view, but you

1147
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:36,250
know, at the same time, there's a, a, a YouTuber who, uh, I've spoken

1148
01:08:36,250 --> 01:08:37,890
to a couple of times many years back.

1149
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:39,980
And his name is Red Van.

1150
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:43,010
He runs a channel called Apostate Prophet.

1151
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,230
It's a political thing.

1152
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,450
We agree, disagree, whatever.

1153
01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:49,270
But he brought up a really, really interesting point, at least for me.

1154
01:08:50,260 --> 01:08:54,200
And he said, you know, he comments on problems in the Middle East,

1155
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:55,320
because that's where he's from.

1156
01:08:55,330 --> 01:08:56,510
He's Turkish, okay?

1157
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:03,940
And he said, what people fail to understand is we see countries where

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01:09:03,940 --> 01:09:10,100
they have really radical extreme laws that have full restrictions on freedoms.

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01:09:10,170 --> 01:09:10,990
We'll put it that way.

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01:09:11,610 --> 01:09:13,550
He said, but me being Turkish...

1161
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:18,770
We had the solution, he said, that's why Ataturk was so important for us,

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01:09:19,230 --> 01:09:27,090
because Ataturk made us Turkish first, and our religion came second, and

1163
01:09:27,090 --> 01:09:33,025
he said, in my opinion, that's what prevented Turkey from going down This

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01:09:33,025 --> 01:09:38,845
rabbit hole of extremism that a few countries have done, he said, in my

1165
01:09:38,845 --> 01:09:45,165
case, it's nationalism and the identity of being Turkish is what protected us.

1166
01:09:45,975 --> 01:09:48,335
And that's a very interesting perspective.

1167
01:09:48,345 --> 01:09:52,615
So I think, like many things in life, there's always additional

1168
01:09:52,625 --> 01:09:56,065
nuance and complexity, and every situation can be different.

1169
01:09:57,860 --> 01:09:59,590
Yeah, and I think that was very important.

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01:10:00,460 --> 01:10:03,700
You know, states becoming secular was an important step in their

1171
01:10:04,110 --> 01:10:06,210
evolution towards more freedom.

1172
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:11,420
I mean, that's the basic idea of John Locke and like, that

1173
01:10:11,420 --> 01:10:12,520
was incorporated in the U.

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:12,630
S.

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01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:13,370
Constitution.

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01:10:13,780 --> 01:10:19,510
So, so, and Ataturk, like, it's too bad that his, that is

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01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:21,610
all being reversed right now.

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When you were talking about, uh, you know, the, the right

1218
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:19,733
to be left alone, like from a.

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01:12:20,653 --> 01:12:25,443
Libertarian perspective, or like the great libertarian insight, as I see it, is that

1220
01:12:26,073 --> 01:12:32,673
it's to realize that if you don't have the right to be left alone, which is the only,

1221
01:12:33,423 --> 01:12:40,153
you know, arguably the only universal right that can be the same for all ages

1222
01:12:40,453 --> 01:12:47,793
and all people, like, uh, if there's one, if there is such a thing as a human right,

1223
01:12:48,253 --> 01:12:50,633
uh, it would have to apply to all humans.

1224
01:12:51,238 --> 01:12:51,938
forever.

1225
01:12:52,528 --> 01:12:53,948
Like, otherwise, what's the point?

1226
01:12:53,958 --> 01:12:54,958
Then it's not a right.

1227
01:12:55,498 --> 01:13:00,478
So from first principles, the only right that can be is the right to be left alone.

1228
01:13:01,668 --> 01:13:06,468
And if you don't have the right to be left alone, all you have is the right to obey.

1229
01:13:06,825 --> 01:13:08,245
I couldn't agree with you more.

1230
01:13:08,245 --> 01:13:10,605
You know, one of the, I mentioned I produce podcasts.

1231
01:13:10,875 --> 01:13:15,345
One of the podcasts I produce, you probably would know him, I guess, is a

1232
01:13:15,345 --> 01:13:17,195
professor by the name of Stephen Hicks.

1233
01:13:17,955 --> 01:13:21,965
And Stephen wrote Explaining Postmodernism, what he's most famous for.

1234
01:13:22,445 --> 01:13:27,465
And, um, so we produce, we do a podcast called Open College with Stephen Hicks,

1235
01:13:27,475 --> 01:13:32,645
which were, he sent me all the, um, all the edits for season two, which

1236
01:13:32,645 --> 01:13:34,115
we're going to release sometime soon.

1237
01:13:34,955 --> 01:13:38,505
And the hope that I have in the world is I'm starting to see us.

1238
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:44,030
We're starting to branch away from this bifurcated view of the world, which is

1239
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:48,610
also why I wanted to go to alternative media, because there seems to be

1240
01:13:48,610 --> 01:13:52,210
less appetite, although the political establishment is trying to force it

1241
01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:56,600
on people, there seems to be less appetite on for the binary worldview.

1242
01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:03,050
And there's this emergence online of the libertarian view,

1243
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:04,810
which is a whole spectrum.

1244
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:09,300
And, you know, I explain this on, uh, Michaela Peterson's podcast, kind

1245
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:14,160
of my worldview that I'm trying to, I don't know, propagandize people

1246
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:19,850
with out of the bifurcated view, which is personally, and I think most

1247
01:14:19,850 --> 01:14:21,980
of us feel fit within this frame.

1248
01:14:22,580 --> 01:14:25,300
I like the goals of the left.

1249
01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:28,720
Or at least what they state, that they want to help people whenever.

1250
01:14:29,500 --> 01:14:34,920
I like the systems of the right, and I like the freedoms of libertarianism.

1251
01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:39,090
And depending on what the issue is we're talking about, I'm going to

1252
01:14:39,090 --> 01:14:41,440
plot differently in that triangle.

1253
01:14:42,050 --> 01:14:44,210
And I think that serves for all of us.

1254
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:48,380
I mean, there's nobody in the Bitcoin space who doesn't believe

1255
01:14:48,430 --> 01:14:50,930
in the principle of helping people.

1256
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,420
And that's what Bitcoin is.

1257
01:14:52,420 --> 01:14:57,940
Bitcoin is about helping people and giving them the opportunity for self sovereign.

1258
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:03,360
I think if, if we look at the world in that, those sorts of terms, it becomes

1259
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:08,680
a lot easier for us to communicate and understand each other, especially when

1260
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,080
it's most important when we disagree.

1261
01:15:12,166 --> 01:15:13,606
Yeah, absolutely.

1262
01:15:13,766 --> 01:15:17,276
Like, um, and, uh, there's also this.

1263
01:15:18,916 --> 01:15:22,306
This notion of free speech and how important free speech is,

1264
01:15:23,786 --> 01:15:29,036
Rothbard points out in the Ethics of Liberty that free speech is only

1265
01:15:29,036 --> 01:15:32,896
necessary when preceded by theft.

1266
01:15:33,796 --> 01:15:39,816
And what he means by that is that free speech only applies to public

1267
01:15:39,816 --> 01:15:41,946
domains, like public property.

1268
01:15:42,666 --> 01:15:44,386
And Rothbard argues that there's...

1269
01:15:44,736 --> 01:15:51,366
No such thing, and these are all things that, these are all stolen goods, stolen,

1270
01:15:52,566 --> 01:15:57,766
the institutions aren't real, it's all stolen property, so if we had absolute

1271
01:15:57,786 --> 01:16:01,816
property rights, we wouldn't need freedom of speech laws, because you could make

1272
01:16:01,816 --> 01:16:09,591
your own rules on your own property, of who gets to say what, which is like,

1273
01:16:09,861 --> 01:16:12,121
That was a mind blow moment for me.

1274
01:16:12,121 --> 01:16:17,021
I never thought of it that way, but, but I think that you can see that in the

1275
01:16:17,021 --> 01:16:23,221
world today with people from countries with, uh, uh, very well functioning

1276
01:16:23,241 --> 01:16:27,801
free speech laws, like the Scandinavian countries, you can say a lot of things

1277
01:16:27,921 --> 01:16:34,151
in Scandinavia, believe it or not, but, uh, uh, but people move to Dubai.

1278
01:16:34,501 --> 01:16:34,991
Why?

1279
01:16:35,551 --> 01:16:38,811
Because stronger property rights, because property rights more

1280
01:16:38,811 --> 01:16:40,041
important than free speech.

1281
01:16:42,251 --> 01:16:44,511
Because you can't have one without the other, really.

1282
01:16:45,066 --> 01:16:49,916
And isn't it interesting how some of the, the authoritarian policies that

1283
01:16:49,916 --> 01:16:53,896
we're seeing around the world are all about attacking property rights.

1284
01:16:53,936 --> 01:16:58,386
You know, I had somebody a couple of days ago just sent me something from Mexico.

1285
01:16:58,866 --> 01:17:04,866
They have a new law in Mexico that if you own property, but that property is vacant,

1286
01:17:05,076 --> 01:17:09,226
You know, it's, lots of people in Mexico have ranches, uh, out in the countryside,

1287
01:17:09,226 --> 01:17:10,746
in the middle of the country, whatever.

1288
01:17:11,086 --> 01:17:15,076
So if you have, I don't know, a ranch in Jalisco, for example, and somebody

1289
01:17:15,076 --> 01:17:21,126
decides to move in and just settle on your property, and you haven't been there

1290
01:17:21,126 --> 01:17:23,756
for three months, that's their property.

1291
01:17:24,881 --> 01:17:27,671
You're basically surrendering the property to them.

1292
01:17:28,061 --> 01:17:32,741
And I see all of these policies that are, you know, behind the scenes and

1293
01:17:32,741 --> 01:17:34,771
politics are buried into another bill.

1294
01:17:35,091 --> 01:17:37,101
They're all attacking property rights.

1295
01:17:37,111 --> 01:17:38,911
So it's a very important point you bring up.

1296
01:17:39,371 --> 01:17:41,981
There's a very, very similar law here in Spain.

1297
01:17:41,991 --> 01:17:44,871
If there are occupants in your home, they can, they have a

1298
01:17:44,871 --> 01:17:47,941
right to literally take it over.

1299
01:17:48,481 --> 01:17:53,301
And isn't it interesting that that comes on the heels of, uh, Niall Ferguson's

1300
01:17:53,301 --> 01:17:58,031
book and subsequent documentary on what has made the West great, and

1301
01:17:58,031 --> 01:18:02,321
it's from 12, 15 years ago, on the thing that made the West great was

1302
01:18:02,511 --> 01:18:04,251
our adherence to property rights.

1303
01:18:04,926 --> 01:18:07,566
And here we are now, what are they going after, you know,

1304
01:18:08,101 --> 01:18:12,371
Probably, yeah, our friend Giacomo Zucco had a great paraphrase

1305
01:18:12,451 --> 01:18:19,011
of, uh, paraphrasing of Evelyn Beatrice Holtz, uh, I don't care

1306
01:18:19,011 --> 01:18:20,501
what you say, but I'm gonna fight.

1307
01:18:20,761 --> 01:18:24,491
Uh, for your right, fight to the death for your right to say it.

1308
01:18:25,141 --> 01:18:29,091
And Giacomo's version is, I don't care what you pay, but I'm going to

1309
01:18:29,091 --> 01:18:33,801
fight to the death for your right to pay it, which is, which is like, like

1310
01:18:33,841 --> 01:18:39,151
Bitcoin has so beautifully pointed out to us the same thing, like freedom

1311
01:18:39,151 --> 01:18:42,961
of speech doesn't matter if you can't say everything that includes.

1312
01:18:43,986 --> 01:18:51,106
Expressions of value, that's money, so freedom of speech, it doesn't exist

1313
01:18:51,876 --> 01:18:58,386
until, uh, it's an illusion unless you have absolute property rights.

1314
01:18:59,116 --> 01:19:05,426
from a, from a marketing and persuasion perspective, that is amazing framing to

1315
01:19:05,426 --> 01:19:11,346
communicate to the normies who are still confused about, you know, free speech.

1316
01:19:11,696 --> 01:19:15,416
That your freedom to transact is your ultimate free speech.

1317
01:19:15,702 --> 01:19:20,732
Yeah, you don't have free speech without that, there's no such thing, because

1318
01:19:20,732 --> 01:19:23,522
as Bitcoin so beautifully pointed out.

1319
01:19:24,257 --> 01:19:27,067
Money doesn't have to be anything but information.

1320
01:19:27,897 --> 01:19:29,707
It's literally pure information.

1321
01:19:30,137 --> 01:19:34,947
All the numbers in Bitcoin, all the addresses have existed forever.

1322
01:19:35,267 --> 01:19:38,197
The numbers were there always.

1323
01:19:38,827 --> 01:19:42,157
It's just that the hash power was zero before 2009.

1324
01:19:42,577 --> 01:19:44,117
So we didn't know how to utilize it.

1325
01:19:44,517 --> 01:19:47,507
But you can, you can find a Bitcoin address.

1326
01:19:48,172 --> 01:19:52,712
A bitcoin private key by flipping a coin 256 times, and you can derive a

1327
01:19:52,712 --> 01:19:58,922
public key from that and send money via SMS to that address, which is just

1328
01:19:59,342 --> 01:20:03,922
absolutely mind blowing, and people are completely oblivious to this

1329
01:20:03,962 --> 01:20:13,652
wonderful technology that has just, I mean, to us that have found it and are

1330
01:20:13,652 --> 01:20:16,442
discussing this on a regular basis, it's just, it's just mind blowing.

1331
01:20:16,662 --> 01:20:22,272
It keeps blowing our minds like how, how, how deep this rabbit hole goes and how,

1332
01:20:22,782 --> 01:20:24,602
how weird it is that this is the case.

1333
01:20:24,692 --> 01:20:27,922
Everything we were told about money was a complete lie.

1334
01:20:27,972 --> 01:20:29,762
It was just information all

1335
01:20:30,327 --> 01:20:30,657
Yeah.

1336
01:20:30,657 --> 01:20:31,827
It's, it's amazing.

1337
01:20:31,917 --> 01:20:35,877
The, um, you know, I, I learned about central banking and our current

1338
01:20:35,877 --> 01:20:39,367
system when I was 17 years old.

1339
01:20:39,367 --> 01:20:43,057
I think I, I watched, uh, over a week 'cause I, I never watched really tv.

1340
01:20:43,057 --> 01:20:47,387
I was big into documentaries and stuff, and I watched this documentary called.

1341
01:20:47,617 --> 01:20:52,547
Uh, The Money Changers by Bill Still, and he talked about the history of,

1342
01:20:52,947 --> 01:20:55,707
uh, central banking, the history of the dollar, all that sort of stuff,

1343
01:20:55,707 --> 01:21:00,387
and I was already knee deep into James Burke's documentaries, Connections,

1344
01:21:00,837 --> 01:21:05,092
where he did a series of episodes on money, And the tally system and all

1345
01:21:05,092 --> 01:21:09,182
that sort of stuff was always already primed for Bitcoin, not realizing

1346
01:21:09,182 --> 01:21:10,832
it when it finally came on my radar.

1347
01:21:11,172 --> 01:21:15,042
But what's so amazing about it is it has something for everybody.

1348
01:21:15,102 --> 01:21:20,272
Doesn't matter what your philosophical worldview, it has something that will.

1349
01:21:20,892 --> 01:21:26,612
That will communicate with you on a personal philosophical level.

1350
01:21:27,082 --> 01:21:30,242
And I think what we need to do, in my opinion, this is why I go to so many

1351
01:21:30,582 --> 01:21:35,262
Bitcoin spaces or non Bitcoin spaces and talk about Bitcoin when I can, uh, or

1352
01:21:35,262 --> 01:21:39,592
when I get invited to speak in places, I'll try to always, like on Trigonometry,

1353
01:21:39,602 --> 01:21:45,262
I brought up, uh, Bitcoin as well, is it's, we, I, I think in the space,

1354
01:21:45,262 --> 01:21:47,152
one of the things we need to work on.

1355
01:21:48,017 --> 01:21:51,847
You know, taking a page from Warren Buffett, you know, there's always

1356
01:21:51,847 --> 01:21:53,377
wisdom in people we disagree with.

1357
01:21:53,757 --> 01:21:58,147
He starts his AGMs with, what did we do wrong this year, right?

1358
01:21:58,707 --> 01:22:00,517
And which is a very important question.

1359
01:22:00,897 --> 01:22:04,677
And one thing, you know, when I look at Bitcoin, I think, what did we do wrong?

1360
01:22:05,257 --> 01:22:11,337
Is our ability to persuade and reach people who don't even know how our

1361
01:22:11,337 --> 01:22:13,587
fiat system works and don't care.

1362
01:22:14,137 --> 01:22:17,997
Like there's people who will never care how Bitcoin works.

1363
01:22:18,517 --> 01:22:23,327
And I was in this space earlier this week, a guy who was, I think his first time on

1364
01:22:23,337 --> 01:22:25,347
stage, he was a little bit nervous, small.

1365
01:22:25,347 --> 01:22:27,227
He's got a, you know, just a guy who's into Bitcoin,

1366
01:22:27,237 --> 01:22:28,457
wanted to talk about Bitcoin.

1367
01:22:29,307 --> 01:22:30,807
And he was telling this story.

1368
01:22:30,807 --> 01:22:31,497
His name's Clark.

1369
01:22:31,497 --> 01:22:33,337
He was telling the story that he was in work.

1370
01:22:33,712 --> 01:22:38,462
Recently, and he never talks about Bitcoin with anybody.

1371
01:22:39,272 --> 01:22:45,012
And when Bitcoin had this recent upswing compared to fiat, by the way, I don't,

1372
01:22:45,032 --> 01:22:49,232
I never know what the price is because I don't care after this whole convoy thing.

1373
01:22:49,282 --> 01:22:50,192
It's freedom money.

1374
01:22:50,192 --> 01:22:51,302
That's what I care about.

1375
01:22:51,732 --> 01:22:54,532
But anyways, these guys, you know, you know how it is.

1376
01:22:54,572 --> 01:22:58,842
Once Bitcoin goes, goes up 20%, all of a sudden people start the chatter.

1377
01:22:58,842 --> 01:23:00,262
Oh, Bitcoin, what is Bitcoin?

1378
01:23:00,862 --> 01:23:05,042
And these guys mentioned that, um, in the lunchroom, something to the

1379
01:23:05,042 --> 01:23:06,692
effect of, yeah, Bitcoin went up.

1380
01:23:07,032 --> 01:23:09,762
And then one of the other guys says, yeah, but it's really volatile.

1381
01:23:10,422 --> 01:23:13,152
And Clark, like this is so persuasive and I think a lot

1382
01:23:13,152 --> 01:23:15,012
of Bitcoiners don't realize it.

1383
01:23:15,742 --> 01:23:17,732
Uh, he did what's called a high ground maneuver.

1384
01:23:18,172 --> 01:23:22,092
And he just said, I don't know, looks like the dollar's

1385
01:23:22,092 --> 01:23:23,552
the one that's volatile to me.

1386
01:23:25,137 --> 01:23:28,637
I didn't say anything else, right, because when you say enough, just to

1387
01:23:28,637 --> 01:23:32,717
spark interest, they have to fill, the recipient has to fill in the gaps.

1388
01:23:33,647 --> 01:23:38,777
And yeah, I predicted it, they, they, they paused for 5 or 10 seconds,

1389
01:23:38,857 --> 01:23:43,387
thought about it, they didn't have a rebuttal, and so what is the default?

1390
01:23:44,087 --> 01:23:47,617
Oh yeah, that, that's a good point, and I think that's what

1391
01:23:47,617 --> 01:23:48,747
we need to work on in Bitcoin.

1392
01:23:49,287 --> 01:23:49,327
along.

1393
01:23:49,327 --> 01:23:54,667
Price stability, uh, and the, the need for an institution to, to

1394
01:23:54,697 --> 01:23:58,477
ensure price stability is probably the greatest lie ever told.

1395
01:24:00,187 --> 01:24:01,927
Uh, yeah.

1396
01:24:02,007 --> 01:24:03,897
I'm just going to do a quick time check here, guys.

1397
01:24:03,897 --> 01:24:08,267
We got less than half an hour and this is, so far, this is a fantastic

1398
01:24:08,277 --> 01:24:12,267
conversation and I have a feeling we'll need to do a follow up.

1399
01:24:13,207 --> 01:24:18,037
But, BJ, I'd like to give the floor to you because I know you had some questions

1400
01:24:18,037 --> 01:24:19,827
you wanted to ask Knut, actually.

1401
01:24:19,887 --> 01:24:20,187
So,

1402
01:24:21,372 --> 01:24:26,922
Well, uh, Knut, I, you know, I'm going to be sharing this with people who don't

1403
01:24:26,932 --> 01:24:31,572
know Bitcoin, people in my Discord, no, don't know Bitcoin, don't know your story.

1404
01:24:32,212 --> 01:24:36,842
Uh, people in my Discord, uh, people in my DM groups and all that sort of stuff.

1405
01:24:37,472 --> 01:24:41,642
I, why don't you give, I mean, I know a lot of your story, it is fascinating,

1406
01:24:42,032 --> 01:24:46,932
but why don't you give, you know, not the elevator pitch, but the extensive elevator

1407
01:24:46,932 --> 01:24:51,372
pitch of yourself, uh, to help me better introduce you to people who follow me?

1408
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:53,190
Oh, what an honor.

1409
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:58,070
Uh, well, uh, I'm 47 years old.

1410
01:24:58,350 --> 01:25:03,810
Uh, I grew up in Sweden, uh, and a couple, a handful of other countries,

1411
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:09,650
uh, lived for half a year in Mozambique and a couple of years in Tanzania.

1412
01:25:09,690 --> 01:25:14,280
So I was like exposed to other countries as an, uh, at an early age.

1413
01:25:15,850 --> 01:25:22,530
And I studied engineering like after, after high school, I started studying,

1414
01:25:22,530 --> 01:25:27,790
uh, engineering, um, uh, electronics engineering, but I only did that for, for

1415
01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:29,940
one year because I was so tired of school.

1416
01:25:29,940 --> 01:25:35,740
So I dropped out, uh, with a, with a huge loan and nothing to show for myself.

1417
01:25:36,150 --> 01:25:40,130
So then I decided to, to sort of semi follow in my father's.

1418
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,530
Footsteps and aim at becoming a sea captain.

1419
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:46,790
So I started working on, on ships.

1420
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:53,210
Um, I, my hobby at the time was sailing, uh, old traditional,

1421
01:25:53,287 --> 01:25:56,217
gaff rigged sailing ships.

1422
01:25:56,347 --> 01:26:01,742
And, um, so, so, uh, I tried to make a career out of that, basically.

1423
01:26:02,142 --> 01:26:05,222
So, so my university degree is Master Mariner.

1424
01:26:06,022 --> 01:26:06,792
Oh, cool.

1425
01:26:08,102 --> 01:26:12,622
So, and after I graduated from that, a couple of years later, when I got my

1426
01:26:12,622 --> 01:26:17,492
certificates and everything, I started working as an officer on a tall ship

1427
01:26:18,392 --> 01:26:20,322
with high school students on board.

1428
01:26:20,835 --> 01:26:24,915
So, sailing around the Atlantic and visiting a lot of countries.

1429
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:30,670
And, uh, I did that for eight years, and I had a lot of time to, to think there,

1430
01:26:31,143 --> 01:26:37,110
the job wasn't very hard, so, so I had a lot of spare time, and I spent a lot

1431
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:40,460
of time abroad, um, seeing different countries and different systems, and

1432
01:26:40,460 --> 01:26:45,830
that's somewhere, somewhere during that journey, I found Bitcoin, and I don't

1433
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:52,940
remember exactly when, But then I met my wife on board this ship and I had, when we

1434
01:26:52,940 --> 01:26:56,860
had kids and everything, I had to figure out something else to do, something closer

1435
01:26:56,860 --> 01:27:01,240
to home, I couldn't really be away for 10 weeks at a time, that just didn't work.

1436
01:27:02,110 --> 01:27:06,170
So I found another job at a shipping company in Gothenburg.

1437
01:27:07,422 --> 01:27:13,422
as a, the skipper on small crew transfer vessels, uh, to that, uh, transported

1438
01:27:13,422 --> 01:27:19,332
technicians to, um, to, uh, wind turbines in the Baltic Sea and in the North Sea.

1439
01:27:20,012 --> 01:27:22,082
So, so that's what I did for a couple of years.

1440
01:27:22,082 --> 01:27:25,292
And then I started working in the office and worked my way up to, uh,

1441
01:27:25,412 --> 01:27:30,328
a, being the HR manager of this, um, this, uh, shipping company, which is

1442
01:27:30,328 --> 01:27:35,098
the last fiat position I had before I decided to quit and, uh, start.

1443
01:27:35,213 --> 01:27:41,053
To do Bitcoin stuff full time, because during my time, uh, on the

1444
01:27:41,053 --> 01:27:46,413
boats and, and, uh, in the office for this shipping company, I also

1445
01:27:46,413 --> 01:27:47,813
started writing about Bitcoin.

1446
01:27:47,833 --> 01:27:52,073
So I started writing articles after, uh, I took an online course in 2016,

1447
01:27:53,083 --> 01:27:54,853
started writing articles in 2017.

1448
01:27:56,273 --> 01:28:01,783
Got a bit of attention for that and compiled the articles into a book, uh,

1449
01:28:02,363 --> 01:28:06,893
which turned out not so good because I wasn't very proud of that book and

1450
01:28:06,893 --> 01:28:13,920
this was like my learning journey to writing, uh, so, so I decided to write

1451
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:18,003
a proper book, which was Sovereignty to Mathematics, my first book, and that

1452
01:28:18,003 --> 01:28:21,373
was done, um, spring or summer 2019.

1453
01:28:21,613 --> 01:28:25,163
And then I brought them to the Baltic Honey Badger Conference in Riga.

1454
01:28:25,173 --> 01:28:29,813
I brought 50 books there, gave 25 of them away to important people

1455
01:28:29,813 --> 01:28:32,143
in Bitcoin and sold the other 25.

1456
01:28:32,923 --> 01:28:36,873
And then that that book started to have a life of its own.

1457
01:28:36,873 --> 01:28:41,103
And it was, uh, were very well received by the community.

1458
01:28:41,533 --> 01:28:42,893
So I continued writing.

1459
01:28:42,893 --> 01:28:44,873
I wrote another book the next year.

1460
01:28:45,397 --> 01:28:49,930
And I started writing articles for, some for Bitcoin Magazine, some for other

1461
01:28:49,930 --> 01:28:55,510
publications, and most of them for Citadel 21, which is Hodlonaut's Bitcoin fanzine.

1462
01:28:56,450 --> 01:29:03,100
That I'm sadly is not making any, any more issues of, uh, and one of the articles in

1463
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:09,040
that, uh, had a sentence in it, an article called deeper down the rabbit hole, uh,

1464
01:29:09,380 --> 01:29:15,010
which was published on the 21st of August, 2021, which I figured out in hindsight,

1465
01:29:15,020 --> 01:29:19,280
I didn't know that until this comes to later in the story and in that, in that

1466
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,370
article, there's a sentence that says, imagine everything there is and everything

1467
01:29:23,370 --> 01:29:25,580
that ever will be divided by 21 million.

1468
01:29:26,245 --> 01:29:35,495
Which then, uh, uh, Yoni Appelberg made a beautiful animation of this article, um,

1469
01:29:36,335 --> 01:29:41,895
and we made it into a little video, which is where this equation was first shown,

1470
01:29:41,935 --> 01:29:48,015
and then that got a lot of attention and people started coming up Uh, adding this

1471
01:29:48,055 --> 01:29:52,495
equation to their Twitter handles and stuff and all of a sudden I had a folder

1472
01:29:52,505 --> 01:29:54,655
on my computer with everything divided.

1473
01:29:54,705 --> 01:30:02,415
Tattoos, like I've seen, I think there's between 20 and 30 different slots.

1474
01:30:02,835 --> 01:30:06,165
People in that folder on my computer now that have actually tattooed

1475
01:30:06,165 --> 01:30:07,715
this thing onto their bodies.

1476
01:30:08,195 --> 01:30:11,495
So that really, that thing really changed my life.

1477
01:30:11,495 --> 01:30:16,855
And it led also to the, how we, uh, invented Bitcoin Infinity

1478
01:30:16,855 --> 01:30:19,465
Day, which is still a thing.

1479
01:30:19,475 --> 01:30:23,895
And we had an Infinity Day special here this year, me and Luke.

1480
01:30:23,895 --> 01:30:27,585
We started this whole Freedom Footprint thing on Infinity Day last year,

1481
01:30:27,585 --> 01:30:29,365
which is the 21st of August then.

1482
01:30:29,915 --> 01:30:38,875
So, um, And now I do all sorts of Bitcoin stuff for a living, um, including this

1483
01:30:39,145 --> 01:30:44,495
show, including the books, including going to conferences and talking and advising

1484
01:30:44,495 --> 01:30:49,185
a couple of companies and anything fun.

1485
01:30:50,295 --> 01:30:54,225
So, uh, so, so that's my story and my, my journey.

1486
01:30:54,235 --> 01:30:58,205
And, uh, I love to think about Bitcoin and I love to talk about it.

1487
01:30:58,355 --> 01:31:00,275
I love to try to explain it to people.

1488
01:31:00,695 --> 01:31:02,155
I love to talk to other.

1489
01:31:02,825 --> 01:31:06,715
Interesting people in the space, uh, such as yourself.

1490
01:31:06,935 --> 01:31:09,945
And, uh, I, I love doing what I do.

1491
01:31:10,242 --> 01:31:14,842
Well, I met in, uh, in Florida on one of my many trips.

1492
01:31:14,902 --> 01:31:19,142
I've basically grown up partially in Florida, but on one of my trips there, I

1493
01:31:19,142 --> 01:31:24,632
think it was Bitcoin 2023, actually, uh, I met an artist who, uh, does Bitcoin art

1494
01:31:25,092 --> 01:31:27,542
and he gave me a bunch of very cool stuff.

1495
01:31:28,242 --> 01:31:35,042
And, um, one of them is, it's with kanji and it also has infinity

1496
01:31:35,042 --> 01:31:38,052
divided by 21 million and I have that in the back of my car.

1497
01:31:38,782 --> 01:31:42,952
It's a very subtle sort of, uh, bitcoiners will understand it and the rest of

1498
01:31:42,962 --> 01:31:44,292
the people have no clue what it is.

1499
01:31:44,412 --> 01:31:44,462
It's

1500
01:31:44,602 --> 01:31:46,392
what are, what artists was that?

1501
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,710
You know, I can't, I have his, I'm looking for him on Twitter.

1502
01:31:49,710 --> 01:31:50,420
I can't remember his name.

1503
01:31:50,420 --> 01:31:50,870
I'll find it.

1504
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:51,620
You know, I'll send it to you.

1505
01:31:51,658 --> 01:31:56,568
Yeah, the artists I've been collaborating with back and forth and we go way back

1506
01:31:56,578 --> 01:32:02,808
is of course Fractal Encrypt, who I think is by far the best artist in Bitcoin.

1507
01:32:04,068 --> 01:32:06,688
He's the Leonardo da Vinci of our time.

1508
01:32:06,985 --> 01:32:07,515
Very cool.

1509
01:32:07,875 --> 01:32:15,575
So anyway, yeah, as Luke put it in Logano, like the surreal doesn't end.

1510
01:32:15,575 --> 01:32:20,835
I mean, we both keep on pinching ourselves for just ending up in this weird,

1511
01:32:22,785 --> 01:32:30,275
surrealistic situations that we end up in and we try to do our best and be polite

1512
01:32:30,315 --> 01:32:38,330
and uh, Learn from each experience and, uh, we try to stay humble, uh, even though

1513
01:32:38,380 --> 01:32:43,980
a lot of weird things are happening to us all the time and, uh, we just love it.

1514
01:32:44,090 --> 01:32:48,410
We want to embrace life and, and live it to the fullest, to the fullest.

1515
01:32:49,275 --> 01:32:51,975
we follow the orange glowing light.

1516
01:32:52,103 --> 01:32:53,303
That's what Izzy called it.

1517
01:32:53,333 --> 01:32:55,463
And that's exactly what we're doing.

1518
01:32:55,464 --> 01:32:56,183
And we're proud of it.

1519
01:32:56,534 --> 01:32:59,274
Which, by the way, if anyone would like to, if anyone from, from

1520
01:32:59,274 --> 01:33:02,734
your, uh, following would like to get an introduction to us, a

1521
01:33:02,984 --> 01:33:07,014
proper one, our episode with Izzy is, is, uh, definitely the one.

1522
01:33:07,024 --> 01:33:12,794
He's, he's a, a dear friend and, uh, it, it shows the absolute best

1523
01:33:13,064 --> 01:33:15,734
of me and Knut and, uh, and Izzy.

1524
01:33:16,323 --> 01:33:17,553
And the absolute worst.

1525
01:33:18,199 --> 01:33:20,629
Send me the link, send me the link and I'll post it.

1526
01:33:20,889 --> 01:33:23,349
And you know, you also, you touched on something that for

1527
01:33:23,359 --> 01:33:24,709
me is very, very important.

1528
01:33:25,419 --> 01:33:28,929
Um, and I think this is going to become increasingly important

1529
01:33:28,939 --> 01:33:32,459
for people in the Bitcoin space as Bitcoin becomes more adopted.

1530
01:33:33,579 --> 01:33:38,089
You know, during this period of my life, this trucker convoy,

1531
01:33:38,979 --> 01:33:40,619
I saw the best in humanity.

1532
01:33:41,239 --> 01:33:45,549
You guys all saw it on TV when you saw the dance parties and us coming together,

1533
01:33:46,049 --> 01:33:50,669
but I also saw the worst in humanity, and that was some of the noise that I was,

1534
01:33:50,669 --> 01:33:55,679
not just the politicians, but some of the noise that I was dealing with, um, that

1535
01:33:55,709 --> 01:34:01,949
surrounded us, and, you know, my advice, somebody told me this a long time ago, and

1536
01:34:02,039 --> 01:34:07,219
I'm sure other people have shared similar things, which is, before you achieve

1537
01:34:07,219 --> 01:34:10,474
any sort of fame, or any sort of wealth.

1538
01:34:11,354 --> 01:34:13,594
You need to have your demons sorted.

1539
01:34:13,604 --> 01:34:14,354
We all have them.

1540
01:34:15,704 --> 01:34:22,534
Because if you don't get your demons sorted, then fame or wealth or mass

1541
01:34:22,534 --> 01:34:27,284
adaptation of bitcoin that makes you wealthy is going to amplify

1542
01:34:27,494 --> 01:34:29,854
the worst parts of your character.

1543
01:34:30,744 --> 01:34:34,324
And that's what I was dealing with during the freedom convoy from a

1544
01:34:34,324 --> 01:34:40,754
whole bunch of political people that all the demons came out and I don't

1545
01:34:40,754 --> 01:34:42,354
want to see that happen in Bitcoin.

1546
01:34:43,704 --> 01:34:46,574
All I've seen from people in general, because I've orange

1547
01:34:46,604 --> 01:34:47,634
pilled a lot of people.

1548
01:34:48,569 --> 01:34:52,159
Who were normies prior to the convoy and the convoy really woke

1549
01:34:52,179 --> 01:34:54,239
them up about the importance.

1550
01:34:54,239 --> 01:35:00,869
I mean, uh, RFK said it on stage in Bitcoin, uh, 2023, he said, uh, it

1551
01:35:00,869 --> 01:35:05,499
was the Canadian truckers that made me realize we have to have, uh, free

1552
01:35:05,509 --> 01:35:07,979
money that's separate from state money.

1553
01:35:08,699 --> 01:35:14,839
And so all the experiences everybody had brought into Bitcoin has been positive.

1554
01:35:15,269 --> 01:35:16,929
Because everybody's been humble.

1555
01:35:17,519 --> 01:35:21,619
I'm just a regular guy with a truck who's got some opinions and doesn't

1556
01:35:21,629 --> 01:35:24,899
back down from the government, but I'm just a regular dude, right?

1557
01:35:25,749 --> 01:35:29,869
Uh, I think that is going to be very important for bringing

1558
01:35:29,869 --> 01:35:34,969
people into the space and showing that juxtaposition between the

1559
01:35:35,019 --> 01:35:40,159
authoritarian fiat system that, Hey man, look, you have this positive.

1560
01:35:40,674 --> 01:35:45,314
Really level headed freedom space called Bitcoin.

1561
01:35:45,704 --> 01:35:48,994
You can come in if you want, if you don't want to, fine, but

1562
01:35:48,994 --> 01:35:50,254
we'll always be there for you.

1563
01:35:50,834 --> 01:35:53,384
I think that's going to help us over the longterm as well.

1564
01:35:53,384 --> 01:35:58,794
We, we all have to be aware of our demons and, and focus on humility.

1565
01:35:59,290 --> 01:36:00,110
absolutely.

1566
01:36:00,190 --> 01:36:01,530
That's, that's beautiful.

1567
01:36:01,570 --> 01:36:06,210
And, uh, I agree a hundred percent, like, as you said, like money is an

1568
01:36:06,220 --> 01:36:09,140
amplifier, uh, of, of your personality.

1569
01:36:09,790 --> 01:36:12,670
You get to do what you want to do more.

1570
01:36:12,700 --> 01:36:15,230
If you have more money, that's, that's what money does.

1571
01:36:15,670 --> 01:36:19,910
And, uh, uh, the, the thing that differentiates, uh, Bitcoin from

1572
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:23,720
traditional money though, is that there's no way to abuse the system.

1573
01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:24,590
Yeah.

1574
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:29,000
So the only, the only way for you to use Bitcoin is to exchange it

1575
01:36:29,060 --> 01:36:33,420
for a good or a service, which is good for everyone in society, like

1576
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:35,420
that's how civilizations work.

1577
01:36:35,660 --> 01:36:39,540
We, we exchange goods and services with one another and then we

1578
01:36:39,570 --> 01:36:42,100
thrive via the free market system.

1579
01:36:42,190 --> 01:36:45,120
So, uh, and that's the only thing Bitcoin can do.

1580
01:36:45,550 --> 01:36:46,710
You can't leverage.

1581
01:36:47,070 --> 01:36:53,640
Uh, the system and, uh, abuse it, like maybe to some extent here in the, in the

1582
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:58,330
first years, you could be a whale and sell a whole bunch and then the price goes down

1583
01:36:58,330 --> 01:37:03,050
and then you can buy in again, like, but, but you can't, you can't do that forever.

1584
01:37:03,110 --> 01:37:06,240
And I, I suspect we're past that phase already.

1585
01:37:06,630 --> 01:37:12,240
Oh, and, and, and also, yeah, and also in that vein too, um, I was just, after

1586
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:18,290
I went to the UK, I went to Florida and I spoke at an altcoin conference or a

1587
01:37:18,290 --> 01:37:23,800
cryptocurrency conference, whatever it was, and before I did, I made sure to

1588
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:28,480
tell everybody who knew me, I'm not an altcoiner, I never will be, we all went

1589
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:32,600
down the rabbit hole for a few months and got taken for a little bit, it's

1590
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:36,440
happened to everybody, it was part of the learning experience with Bitcoin, I've

1591
01:37:36,440 --> 01:37:38,500
done it, everybody's done it, okay, fine.

1592
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,640
I said, but the reason I'm going there is because the people who host

1593
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:49,750
it are also Bitcoiners, and it was the story of the trucking convoy that

1594
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:51,570
they wanted me to share with them.

1595
01:37:52,010 --> 01:37:56,070
to try to explain to them that you can't ignore Bitcoin.

1596
01:37:56,110 --> 01:37:58,000
And I went into some of their spaces.

1597
01:37:58,530 --> 01:38:01,770
You know, these younger kids are all into NFTs and all this sort of nonsense.

1598
01:38:02,300 --> 01:38:03,950
They didn't even know what Bitcoin was.

1599
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:04,820
No,

1600
01:38:05,340 --> 01:38:06,050
No clue.

1601
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:09,070
So I explained my story, the trucker convoy, whatever.

1602
01:38:09,570 --> 01:38:13,340
And then all of a sudden, oh, and so I went down to Florida.

1603
01:38:13,730 --> 01:38:14,960
I gave the speech.

1604
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:18,130
I promise people I'm not going to be hostile.

1605
01:38:18,180 --> 01:38:22,820
I'm not hostile towards people who go to Vegas and throw money

1606
01:38:22,820 --> 01:38:24,670
away in a casino if they enjoy it.

1607
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,060
I don't gamble, but if that's what you want to do, fine.

1608
01:38:28,350 --> 01:38:29,920
But we got to agree on Bitcoin.

1609
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:31,380
So I went, I gave a speech.

1610
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:34,260
I got to talk to Davey because he hasn't uploaded it yet.

1611
01:38:34,330 --> 01:38:35,710
I gave a speech on stage.

1612
01:38:36,535 --> 01:38:41,145
About Bitcoin and freedom and how Bitcoin helped us in Ottawa.

1613
01:38:41,145 --> 01:38:42,445
It's the only thing that worked.

1614
01:38:43,015 --> 01:38:44,625
We didn't go to sushi swap.

1615
01:38:45,015 --> 01:38:49,285
We used Bitcoin for a reason because of proof of work and all that sort of stuff.

1616
01:38:50,155 --> 01:38:55,205
And when I saw them the next night at the after party, uh, that one of the

1617
01:38:55,205 --> 01:39:00,375
organizers came to me privately and he said, man, that was great what you did.

1618
01:39:00,405 --> 01:39:02,685
Everybody was talking about your speech today.

1619
01:39:03,045 --> 01:39:04,135
It had an impact.

1620
01:39:04,695 --> 01:39:08,215
They're now becoming curious about Bitcoin or less adversarial

1621
01:39:08,215 --> 01:39:10,635
towards Bitcoiners or whatever.

1622
01:39:10,665 --> 01:39:14,965
And I think that's something to show moving forward that,

1623
01:39:15,495 --> 01:39:16,845
look, nobody likes scam artists.

1624
01:39:17,055 --> 01:39:19,175
There's always going to be scam artists in everything.

1625
01:39:19,185 --> 01:39:22,625
There's scam artists in Bitcoin or trying to steal other people's Bitcoin.

1626
01:39:23,055 --> 01:39:24,005
What are you going to do?

1627
01:39:24,270 --> 01:39:24,570
Right?

1628
01:39:24,580 --> 01:39:26,120
That's just how humans behave.

1629
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:32,920
But I think if we work towards making it an open space for people who are

1630
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:38,280
genuine and want to come in and learn about Bitcoin if they're doing projects

1631
01:39:38,290 --> 01:39:40,420
whenever like, it's not my thing.

1632
01:39:41,220 --> 01:39:47,950
But the problem is the authoritarian fiat system and we can all have this

1633
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:52,470
common denominator of Bitcoin and if we can do that, that's what's going to

1634
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:56,985
grant greater individual freedom to all of us over the long term, and I think

1635
01:39:56,985 --> 01:40:00,515
a lot of this was just a distraction to get people fighting with each other.

1636
01:40:01,005 --> 01:40:03,525
So I'll share that with you when that speech comes out.

1637
01:40:03,915 --> 01:40:08,575
Uh, it's one of the ones I'm very proud of because, as I was told, it had an

1638
01:40:08,615 --> 01:40:10,715
impact reaching to the other side.

1639
01:40:10,985 --> 01:40:13,405
Many of them are younger, they don't know, and now they're curious about

1640
01:40:13,405 --> 01:40:18,605
Bitcoin, which I'm going to try to continue to do more and more of that.

1641
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:20,010
they're a bit curious.

1642
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:20,640
Yes.

1643
01:40:20,645 --> 01:40:21,175
That's right!

1644
01:40:22,645 --> 01:40:23,445
That's a good way to describe it!

1645
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:29,970
All right, I think this is the perfect point to wrap this up on because I know

1646
01:40:29,970 --> 01:40:32,720
we have to let you go here in a bit.

1647
01:40:33,610 --> 01:40:40,590
So, BJ, can you tell our listeners what you'd like them to check out from your

1648
01:40:40,590 --> 01:40:42,110
side where they can find you all that?

1649
01:40:42,655 --> 01:40:43,825
Yeah, there's two domains.

1650
01:40:43,835 --> 01:40:45,485
One is honkingforfreedom.

1651
01:40:45,495 --> 01:40:45,935
com.

1652
01:40:45,985 --> 01:40:47,195
That's where you get this book.

1653
01:40:47,195 --> 01:40:48,955
And by the way, it's Christmas season.

1654
01:40:49,005 --> 01:40:53,545
And what's very important in this book, there are two chapters in this book.

1655
01:40:53,565 --> 01:40:54,625
So it's a normie book.

1656
01:40:55,025 --> 01:40:57,385
It's all the positive stories about Bitcoin.

1657
01:40:57,385 --> 01:41:01,805
I don't get into a lot of the political BS and all that sort of stuff.

1658
01:41:01,805 --> 01:41:05,255
It's all the heartwarming stories, but there's two chapters.

1659
01:41:05,255 --> 01:41:06,545
Chapter 29.

1660
01:41:06,975 --> 01:41:08,375
This was Bitcoin's moment.

1661
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:12,640
And chapter 30, Bitcoin Proves Its Power.

1662
01:41:13,180 --> 01:41:15,630
And this is what I call the soft orange pill.

1663
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,530
This is for the normies, to give them an introduction to

1664
01:41:19,530 --> 01:41:21,310
make them curious about Bitcoin.

1665
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:25,840
I tell Caribou's story and myself and Sessions and what we were

1666
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:27,370
all dealing with at that time.

1667
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:32,390
This is a good word of warning to the normies of why you need Bitcoin

1668
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:34,270
and freedom money in your life.

1669
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:35,850
So honkingforfreedom.

1670
01:41:35,850 --> 01:41:39,540
com, it is Christmas soon, it's a great gift, and by the

1671
01:41:39,540 --> 01:41:40,620
way, this is not partisan.

1672
01:41:40,980 --> 01:41:44,090
This is designed to resonate with people across the spectrum.

1673
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:48,110
And the other one is my personal domain, because I do live streaming now.

1674
01:41:48,340 --> 01:41:50,060
I'm in Twitter spaces all the time.

1675
01:41:50,350 --> 01:41:55,910
My sub stack's got 80 people who subscribe to it, uh, which is BJ...

1676
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:57,540
Go to BenjaminJDickter.

1677
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:01,720
com and that will lead you to the book, the sub stack, my locals, my live

1678
01:42:01,730 --> 01:42:07,290
streaming, uh, or join talks at Cappy Hour with Pubby and the guys and Anders.

1679
01:42:07,290 --> 01:42:11,470
I'm there with them almost every day and sometimes in Cafe Bitcoin as well.

1680
01:42:11,923 --> 01:42:12,633
Excellent.

1681
01:42:12,673 --> 01:42:18,273
I'll try to join Pavi and Anders and their toxic happy hour more.

1682
01:42:18,323 --> 01:42:21,403
But yeah, somehow I have less and less time now that

1683
01:42:21,403 --> 01:42:22,693
I have more time on my hands.

1684
01:42:23,194 --> 01:42:23,744
Yeah, I hear you.

1685
01:42:24,113 --> 01:42:26,973
Anyway, for your friends and for people who already have

1686
01:42:26,973 --> 01:42:28,623
your book, go to knutsvanholm.

1687
01:42:28,663 --> 01:42:33,693
com to find all my stuff, all of my books, all of my videos, and don't

1688
01:42:33,693 --> 01:42:41,608
forget to like, subscribe, and brush your teeth, uh, and, uh, I absolutely

1689
01:42:41,608 --> 01:42:46,718
love this conversation, Benjamin, and, uh, we'd love to have you back on again,

1690
01:42:46,768 --> 01:42:49,338
uh, to, to follow this up at some point.

1691
01:42:49,858 --> 01:42:54,418
And the next, next time around, we'll talk about why my name is almost Kant

1692
01:42:54,468 --> 01:42:56,608
and why you're called BJ Dichter.

1693
01:42:56,988 --> 01:42:57,308
Yes.

1694
01:42:58,514 --> 01:43:00,384
It's cause it's a simulation, man.

1695
01:43:00,384 --> 01:43:01,304
That's more evidence.

1696
01:43:02,108 --> 01:43:02,438
yes.

1697
01:43:03,368 --> 01:43:10,248
So yeah, thank you, BJ, and see you, see you around and good luck with everything.

1698
01:43:10,594 --> 01:43:11,214
I love it, brother.

1699
01:43:11,234 --> 01:43:11,964
And we'll talk soon.

1700
01:43:11,974 --> 01:43:13,014
I'm here anytime you need me.

1701
01:43:13,618 --> 01:43:13,888
Great.

1702
01:43:14,819 --> 01:43:16,109
This has been the Freedom Footprint Show.

1703
01:43:16,139 --> 01:43:17,039
Thanks for listening.