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So yeah, there will be a crazy number of people and stuff to do

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basically in Madeira for a whole week.

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Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show, the Bitcoin

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philosophy show with Knut Svanholm and me, Luke the Pseudo Finn.

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And we're here today with Andre Loja.

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He's been on the show before, so we don't have to introduce him again,

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but this time Knut's actually on the show and not out sick with the plague.

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So this is lovely.

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We get them both here.

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And the theme of today's conversation is, of course, we'd

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be talking all about it constantly.

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Bitcoin Atlantis, the mega conference happening on Madeira March 1st to 3rd and

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Andre is the man behind this conference.

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So Andre, welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show and can't

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wait to talk about Bitcoin Atlantis.

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Thank you, Luke.

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Uh, thanks for having me again.

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You know, thanks for, you know, being two of you and thanks for being at

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the distance of a Zoom call instead of just plaguing me with anything.

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But, uh, you guys, I think you guys can imagine how, you know, how busy

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but it's actually good, you know, with, with, with some peaks on the stress

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levels, but the anxiety levels, but, uh, it's, it's for, it's for a good cause.

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So everything's good.

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this is shaping up to be the best conference ever.

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I mean, you dropped so many good names in the last few weeks alone, like people

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that I didn't know were coming, but the lineup is just spectacular at this point.

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We are very fortunate and, you know, we didn't announce half of it, probably.

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and yeah, not only that, there's many other, not only inside the

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A lot of satellite events that I've been.

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talking about but some of them are not officially launched yet.

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So yeah, there will be a crazy number of people and stuff to do

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basically in Madeira for a whole week.

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Excellent.

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And you kicked the whole thing off with a golfing tournament, if I'm correct.

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Yes, I was actually just, um, before joining the podcast, I was

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just, uh, curating the last, uh, words on the landing page for the,

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for the, for the golf tournament.

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Uh, we announced it, but it's, it's going live soon, the official

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landing page for the golf tournament.

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it's happening.

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On 27th, yeah, three days before the conference, in the morning in,

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uh, Santo do Souto golf course, which is an amazing course in the

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mountains with beautiful views.

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it's called the Hole Corner Golf Challenge.

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have a deadline for registration.

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So when we launch the landing page, we're going to spread out

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the words so people can join soon and make a success out of it.

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Rabbit Hole in One.

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So, yeah, the backup name for you there.

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Hopefully someone does it so we can pay for the rings.

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Maybe we should do a recap of this story, if I may, uh, try here, and you

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can cut in whenever you want, Andre, to like, give you, our listeners,

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the backstory for this whole thing.

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So, Andre is a multi faceted entrepreneur from the island of Madeira.

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Who amongst other things does Portuguese book translation.

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So that's how I got to know Andre, he sent me a message and wanted

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the rights to publish my books in Portuguese and we, so we, uh, we set

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up a, um, a contract, a deal for that.

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he had, he's running a co working space in Funchal, and the president

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came and visited this co working space and started to say stuff about how

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fantastic crypto was and blockchain and web 3 and all sorts of stuff.

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President, you got it all wrong and needed to find a way to stop this shit

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coinery tendencies in the president.

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So in order to do that.

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you and the president and Daniel Prince and the, uh, the actual prince

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of Serbia who had just came out, came out, come out of the, uh, Bitcoiner

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closet, uh, Uh, you ended up on the same plane together, on your way to Miami.

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So you took the president to Miami in 2022, uh, for Bitcoin Miami,

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whether are no shit Bitcoiners at all.

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Of course he and, uh, uh, but uh, and managed to, to get him invited

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to a breakfast at Sailor's house where he got orange peel by, by Mr.

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Sailor himself for two hours, like.

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You know, Bitcoin is this fantastic thing.

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president's cabinet were orange pills.

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So, uh, you got permission to set up this Free Madeira organization with, uh,

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me, uh, and Daniel Prince and a whole bunch of other phenomenal Bitcoiners.

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And we spent a week together in, um, in June, one and a half years ago now.

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Uh, and made a little documentary and visited all of these beautiful old

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buildings and governmental buildings in Funchal, where, where we talked to a

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lot of people in a lot of institutions to try to orange pill them with, uh,

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varying degrees of success, but, uh, All in all, we set up the organization

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and there have been monthly meetups ever since, in the coworking space.

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And now, president Miguel this year in, in Amsterdam announced that, uh, there

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will be, uh, a building, uh, specific building for Bitcoin companies and

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Bitcoin activities in, uh, port De,

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we actually had to change locations,

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Alright, so there's another.

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it's going to be in Funchal, uh, but it's probably going to be in Downtown Funchal,

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which is even better in my opinion.

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anyway, uh, somewhere in the midst of this, um, This year or, or like one

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and a half year that has passed, we have, uh, at some point we decided

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that we wanted to have a conference on the island and believe it or not,

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the, the president wanted to give us a football stadium to have the

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conference in and this actually happened.

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biggest venue on the island.

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How things played out there, and I'm so looking forward to this one and spending

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some time on my favorite island again.

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So it's, what am I missing here?

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and I still recall that week, uh, in Miami, basically changed my whole life.

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Uh, but, um, it was a surreal experience in Miami.

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the only goal was to do a podcast named, uh, Between Two Princes.

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In an Airbnb in Miami, but failed miserably at the podcast, but we,

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So let's grab it.

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just, alone in Madeira Island and, uh, wasn't even considering going to Miami.

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went, uh, we were received at Sailor's Villa, um, nice impression, by the way,

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and a series of events that, you know, still feel cloudy in my head, but resulted

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in, by the end of Seif Din's dinner.

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In a conversation with the president and then an agreement to, you know, to

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go forward with the non profits that, uh, you know, for the previous two

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weeks before the trip, I was already arranging in my head on how to formalize

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if things went well and, uh, they did and the president agreed and here we are.

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Yeah, and apart from the, the, the new names that keep dropping in

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all the time, I also see a lot of posts from Madeira about more and

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more retailers and brick and mortar stores and pharmacies and whatnot.

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that are starting to accept bitcoin.

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So things are moving on the island like,

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Yes, it's, uh, you know, and we, we, we talked about this in the beginning when,

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when we launched Free Madeira officially yeah, it was in, Amsterdam as well.

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but last year, there was already a lot of, movement, a lot of interests, a lot

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of contacts, and we did start our work and, at the time there was Not even an

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idea to do a conference that came later.

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And, the nonprofit has a lot of plans, um, of its own, of course.

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Um, besides the conference, although we are very much focused on the

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conference because of the size of it and how, it grew to this monster.

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but, FREE Madeira itself has a lot of plans on, on the indication.

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Uh, we partnered with a lot of good names, like my first Bitcoin Looking Glass MTH.

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we're working on the remittances.

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We partnered with Lamassu ATM machines and we have some, workshops, uh,

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planned to, help, the community.

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especially Venezuela.

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there's energy plans, uh, plans.

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involve the public power company, um, with the Bitcoin mining to stabilize the grid.

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We live in an island, so it's, perfect, it just needs education

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and some biomass project that we're working on the calculations with

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the, with Mark Morton from scaling mining in Ireland and Troy Cross is

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advising, us through the whole process.

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we, as we already referenced, uh, there's a building coming, we're negotiating,

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where we want to, not only have the FREE Madeira Fortress but, you know,

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the, co-working space, where Bitcoiners can, can work and companies, Bitcoin

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companies can incorporate and work from there, have legal advice, um, tax advice.

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we have the education projects that we want to develop there.

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there's the Sovereign Engineering Project with Gigi and Pablo that is also going

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through and starting at the beginning of January, and, many other things.

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And you know, in the middle of all of this, suddenly on one of those

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advisory board meetings, I dropped the idea of doing a conference.

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a bunch of Bitcoiners came to the island.

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We had a lot of formal meetings with the public entities and the government and

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just going around and knowing the island.

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I wanted to do something a bit more professional and have the advisory

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board come over so we could continue the conversations basically.

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But then, because of the advisory board, and people like yourself Knut, and Jeff

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Booth, and Daniel, and Troy, and Gigi, and Obi, and, you know, so many others,

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suddenly we had, you know, casual messages like, you know, oh, Jack Dorsey is

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interested in coming so it's confirmed.

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And, Michael Seller also accepted to come, and, you know, Jack Mallers is

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in, and suddenly, can we swear here?

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It's okay?

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You know?

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No, definitely not Andre.

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So, at one point I said, fuck it, man.

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Let's go.

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Uh, we need to do Let's go.

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Let's do, let's, let's go big.

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And, you know, I don't have the spirit of trying, of doing something bad.

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So I think we should aim high on all our pursuits.

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So why not?

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And now we're this monster conference with you know, as I said before,

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over 120 speakers confirmed.

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stadium um, you know, workshop areas, hardware areas, kids areas,

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women's events, golf championships, festival, music festivals, boat

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trips, hiking, a whole week of stuff.

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Uh, but you know, in the, the most important is the, is the, is the

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talks and this is a major opportunity to, pursue some of our goals.

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And, um, we have an amazing, amazing program being designed for the main

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stage and the open source stage.

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Um, that I think it's going to blow people's minds.

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And don't worry about that week last year being unprofessional.

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Like that was, that week was spectacular, man.

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And I think I speak for all of us that we're like internally grateful

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for you putting that thing together.

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We all had an amazing time

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Madeira speaks for itself.

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One thing I'm thinking about is Gigi in his green suit.

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How do you find him on the island?

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Because the island is completely green itself, so he must be even

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better camouflaged over there than he is anywhere else, right?

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it's hard and we already have lizards of our own, so it's hard to spot.

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it's probably mating in a rock, by the shoreline,

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Or

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mating in a rock?

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We have here the small lizards I think he's procreating, so it's kinda nice.

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We're letting him go because we need bunch of Gigi, so he's cloning himself.

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Yeah, Gigi is a shape shifting lizard.

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Exactly.

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That's the, that's the, theory now.

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Yeah.

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He's either between two ferns or two asics, that's my suspicion.

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We should do something the twos again, because they'll, they'll

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be here for the conference,

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Yeah, Between Two Princes, that's a great, the great title for a show.

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not speaking.

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Besides

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Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, they'll just be, yeah, I'll talk to them about it.

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so what, what about the music festival?

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What artists have you booked?

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So it's being a headlined by Theo Katzman.

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American artist, great music.

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Uh, you should listen if you don't know him.

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Uh, he's part of a band's, a very well known band called spac, so

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we are very fortunate to have him.

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Uh, but we'll also have, um, other people like Joe Martin, Napa, Napa is a

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modern band and we'll have many others.

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Um, hopefully at least two more, uh, that we're still, uh, going for.

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Uh, but it's, it's already, you know.

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It's already a great festival and, and, and the setting is amazing.

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You're going to see the, the picture soon, uh, when we launched the landing

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page, it's in Quinta Magnolia, which is a park, an old Quinta, so a scenario house

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that was recovered to be a park nowadays, beautiful, big, a lot of greenery.

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It's an amazing setting and it's just very near the main venue.

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So on Saturday, when the programming on the main venue is finished

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around 6 PM, uh, it's 30 seconds to 1 minute down walking and you'll

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be at the music festival for, uh, to continue the celebrations.

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Excellent.

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uh, it sounds absolutely awesome.

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What would, what would the success look like to you?

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What do you want to really get out of the conference?

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that's a good question, man.

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Well, besides, you know, the obvious, we want to make it an amazing week.

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We hope everyone, you know, most of all that we see happy people around for a week

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and that everybody enjoys the conference.

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And there's some, you know, that we are financially healthy, of course, that

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helps as well, because it just grew into a monster and, um, you know, it's, it

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was part of the, of the goals in the beginning, because this, this is special

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in that sense as well, is that it is a conference organized by Freemadata.

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So.

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Besides all the other goals that I'm going to explain soon, we also want it

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to be a way to fund the FREE Madeira projects all year round, so the profit

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will revert back to the non profit, and this is always, my fiat friends are

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always confused by this, the non profit.

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You know, we're a non profit, but the idea is to be sustainable.

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We want to make money.

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Right?

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Uh, we don't want, like, people think of a non profit as, you know, getting

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government subsidies to do bullshit.

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not our case at all.

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We are not getting government subsidies, by the way, so I, think

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people should realize this, by the way, when we say we have support from

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the government, it's not financial.

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we want to be sustainable, so we want to revert profits back to our actions

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and our plans all year round at FREE Madeira so that's very important.

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It's not going to private pockets.

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but yeah, you know, in most, I have a lot of goals, not only one, but, you

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know, let's try to recap all of them.

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I, guess, one of the most important, and the whole reason we did the layer

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one tickets, which have a special price for residents, is to take this.

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Great opportunity to try and orange pill the most local people that you can, right?

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So, it's a big goal, to bring, you know, pre plebs, pre coiners, let's go.

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to the conference, people who are curious but don't know enough yet.

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Because, you know, we want to, we want to onboard the most that we can on

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this escape hatch And we want people to realize how important Bitcoin can be to

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this island on everything that touches from, from, from money itself to, the

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energy part, to many other aspects of it.

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so that's one of the main goals.

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The other goal is also on the locals, but more on the official part.

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So government officials, public entities, private parties, uh,

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that we want to invite so they can, especially for some selected targets

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on some of the conversations and some of the people that we're inviting,

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so they can understand better, the proposition for their own interests.

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Um, you know, good example, you know, the public power company

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guys, you know, to keep the, we already started the conversations,

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but they need still to see that.

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I think they're going to be amazed by Troy Cross block, uh, called Energy Abundance.

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Uh, there is, he's going to have, I don't know.

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Around 14 or 15 amazing people on their own, uh, expertise is inside

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the energy space talking about all the different, projects they're working

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on, uh, or, or, or, or developing in their own, um, jurisdictions.

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And some of them can be adapted easily, to our islands and would make.

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I don't think they realize the difference it would make to Madeira.

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we're an island, uh, we're isolated grids.

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Uh, we import, we still import most of our fuel from the outside, we could go

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even deeper on that block because I think it's one of the most bullish ones for me.

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Uh, but this is the kind of thing we want to do.

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So bring the government officials, bring the public entities, private parties

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that work on, you know, for example, a lot of them invest in renewable

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energies that they sell back to the grid.

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Uh, and it could be a lot more profitable by integrating Bitcoin

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mining in their operations.

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Uh, but there are many other things on the remittances, on all the other

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aspects of Bitcoin Touches that we're inviting selected people to come.

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So that's another big goal of the conference.

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uh, when you say importing, uh, like fossil fuels, uh, that's, that's

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for the electricity grid, like, uh, right, that's for the power grid.

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Uh, there are some diesel generators on the islander.

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Ah,

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because, because I don't, I don't know if someone told you, but electrical

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cars need to charge somewhere, I don't know if, if, or I think it's, it's,

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them, uh.

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An auxiliary engine, like auxiliary diesel engine, like,

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yeah, that was actually a great expression.

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Like they.

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offset their fuel consumption or something like that.

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I don't know.

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yeah, so the engine is in a different place than in the car, but

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there's still an engine somewhere,

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And I, you know, it's, it's really bothers me and I do have electrical cars for the

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companies, but I know, I know, I realized that electrical cars nowadays in Madeira,

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they run on 75 percent fuel consumption.

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Okay, so it's a bit better than the others, but they cost a lot more

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and extracted a lot of more minerals and materials out of the earth.

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So it's, it's, it's just, you know, but Bitcoin mining can help.

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Okay.

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So if they really want to increase the renewables, and we can.

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That's, again, another Bitcoin rabbit hole, I guess, but, it's a very important

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aspect, in my view, that Bitcoin can help here in Madeira, and it could,

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in fact, reduce the fuel imports.

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And also, actually, reduce the fertilizer imports as well, because for example, on

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the biomass project, one of the outputs of the energy generation of the biomass

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stuff that is anaerobically digested, it's actually fucking fertilizer.

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One to one, okay?

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They nowadays import synthetic stuff, which is actually worse than the one

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produced by the biomass generator.

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Um, they import from elsewhere.

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Again, bringing chips and fuel consumption and all of that, so Instead of gluing

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yourself to the tarmac on the road that the government builds Uh, you

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know, go fucking do a biomass project,

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yeah, yeah, so, you have to import less shit in the future then, uh.

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Literally,

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uh,

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like if I'm going to play the devil's advocate for electric cars in Funchal

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specifically, they could really help there with noise levels and, uh, all the

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fumes from all the cars, like that's, that's like the only downside of Funchal

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I see, or the, the traffic is horrible.

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It's not that bad, man.

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You're overreacting on the traffic thing.

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I take my kids in

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I take it back immediately, Madeira is fantastic.

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No, man, it was way worse in Lisbon when I lived in Lisbon.

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That's crazy.

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and so, but getting back to the goals, um, there's also, another goal, and

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that's part of the, also why the government is supporting this whole thing.

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And we can go on the president and, you know, one thing is, having the president

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orange pilled, and he's not fully orange pilled, but he understands a lot more now.

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But there's a bunch of layers of people below him that are still very, very far

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away from from understanding all of this.

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but they do know that on the president's mind, one of the big goals for Madeira

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is to offset the,  no, I won't put it that way, so do not rely so much on the

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tourism as the motor of the economy and being able to diversify and, you know,

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bring human capital and business capital to the island and, you know, support,

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new technologies as much as they can and basically make Madeira, make it more,

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um, inviting for businesses and families, so that we can, you know, create wealth

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and growth and, you know, and, and have.

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More quality of life overall, for everyone.

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Um, and he sees Bitcoin as part of that, so for him, it's just part of

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the strategy, uh, to attract, um, new generations of more technological

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generations, I guess, to the island, and support them in their work.

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hence the Bitcoin business hub, it's, very important for us.

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and you know, we're attracting a lot of Bitcoiners from elsewhere

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because of the conference.

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So, it's an opportunity for them to come, to visit the island, you know, we

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trust, don't verify, you know, see with their own eyes, what's happening here.

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And maybe a lot of them will, choose to stay, or maybe regard it in the

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future as one of, one possibility.

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And we're here, and I mean Free Madeira will be here to help them all the way, on

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their process if they do choose to come.

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And actually for the last few months it's been incredible, even before the

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conference we've been getting a lot of requests, a lot of people came already.

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Uh, a lot of people are considering, a lot of people are visiting to verify.

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and we have companies incorporating already, so I think we can

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consider it as a success already.

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Uh, it's working.

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All right, great to hear.

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Another thing on my mind is like the, I know there's a Bitcoin

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conference, a more technical Bitcoin conference every year on the

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Oh, Kevin's Kevin is here in Mada, by the way.

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uh, is the guy who organizes, uh, BTCs orders the conference.

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he's here right now because he's the, the, the invited guest

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speaker for tomorrow's meetup.

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I

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fantastic.

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And how is the, so I was just about to ask how the collaboration between

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the two projects are going, but I guess they're going swell if he's

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there and being at the meetup.

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I guess.

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Well, he's coming for our meetup and he's staying in one of our apartments,

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so I think it's going well and he's going to be at the conference.

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And supporting us through WizardSardin, so it's great.

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you have any comment on, on that?

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There's some speculation that the Azores is actually probably the most likely

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location of the historical Atlantis because 11, 800 years ago, the Azores

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would have had a bit of a higher ridge there, so it's more likely that it was the

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center of the civilization that was lost when the Younger Dryas impact occurred

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and the lost civilization was destroyed.

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Do you have any comment on that, Andre?

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know you're very mythological and way more knowledgeable

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about this subject than I am.

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Honestly, it was just a cool name, man.

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We're in the middle of

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messing with you, Andre.

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I know, I know.

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We're in the middle of the Atlantis and we were inspired by this book by

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Francis Bacon called The New Atlantis.

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Which is actually great.

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I, I, I recommend because it's just an interesting book by itself and to

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sum it up It's, uh, it's basically about this This higher, more advanced

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population that lived in this island, supposedly in the middle of the Atlantic

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between Madeira and Azores somewhere.

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Uh, let's put it in the middle.

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So I mean, let's, let's, uh, that, that it was a very advanced

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and enlightened, uh, population.

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Uh, and it's all about this magical island in the middle of the Atlantic.

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We thought it was perfect for, for our case.

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And, um.

462
00:29:01,819 --> 00:29:05,639
Even the, the music festival is going to be called Atlas because of the, uh,

463
00:29:05,649 --> 00:29:09,859
you know, Atlas is the, was the, uh, I don't know the whole story, but the

464
00:29:09,859 --> 00:29:11,779
king of the, of the place and so on.

465
00:29:11,779 --> 00:29:12,939
There's a whole story behind it.

466
00:29:13,268 --> 00:29:15,437
And Francis Bacon, you say.

467
00:29:15,438 --> 00:29:17,958
I would say that Denmark is more bacon than France.

468
00:29:18,318 --> 00:29:21,428
France is more like wine and cheese and snails and shit.

469
00:29:22,229 --> 00:29:28,619
I, I, I get the reference, but I think you have to include the, the UK as well

470
00:29:28,619 --> 00:29:33,859
in that, uh, conversation because if I'm not mistaken, Francis Bacon is.

471
00:29:34,469 --> 00:29:35,549
From London, or

472
00:29:35,604 --> 00:29:37,494
Yeah, but they have shit bacon over there.

473
00:29:37,575 --> 00:29:45,753
have shit food all over England, but man, so when I go to England, I cannot complain

474
00:29:45,758 --> 00:29:51,003
because thank God for immigration and we have the best international cuisine there.

475
00:29:51,833 --> 00:29:53,783
Just don't go to English restaurants.

476
00:29:54,408 --> 00:29:54,858
yeah, yeah.

477
00:29:54,858 --> 00:30:00,727
The best English dish ever is Tikka Masala.

478
00:30:01,187 --> 00:30:06,123
We should have had Uh, yeah, that always baffles me at British

479
00:30:06,123 --> 00:30:11,013
restaurants when they ask me, would you like mushy peas or garden peas?

480
00:30:11,433 --> 00:30:15,623
Well, like, you just answered the very question you were asking,

481
00:30:15,623 --> 00:30:17,553
like, what the fuck do you think?

482
00:30:17,803 --> 00:30:20,053
Why would anyone on earth want mushy peas?

483
00:30:20,863 --> 00:30:21,923
It's disgusting.

484
00:30:22,008 --> 00:30:23,168
is why would you want either of them?

485
00:30:23,168 --> 00:30:25,228
I think peas are a garbage vegetable.

486
00:30:25,278 --> 00:30:25,918
Absolutely fiat.

487
00:30:26,566 --> 00:30:29,766
Yeah, but love and understanding, okay.

488
00:30:30,156 --> 00:30:30,586
Peas?

489
00:30:30,646 --> 00:30:31,366
Not so much.

490
00:30:32,098 --> 00:30:32,938
I actually hate peace.

491
00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:34,948
I don't know who wouldn't.

492
00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:36,628
I don't know who chooses to eat peas.

493
00:30:37,383 --> 00:30:38,833
Is there a Pea Poncha?

494
00:30:38,833 --> 00:30:40,452
Uh, the

495
00:30:41,778 --> 00:30:42,653
Let's not do it

496
00:30:46,213 --> 00:30:48,553
name sounds sort of disgusting.

497
00:30:48,853 --> 00:30:49,833
You know, Pea Poncha.

498
00:30:50,172 --> 00:30:51,343
It could be misinterpreted.

499
00:30:51,829 --> 00:30:56,214
Well, but you, but you do get contrary to the uk you do get

500
00:30:56,214 --> 00:30:57,514
a lot of good food in Madeira.

501
00:30:57,534 --> 00:31:02,854
So be prepared to eat and you know, go back with a few molecules.

502
00:31:02,854 --> 00:31:03,124
And

503
00:31:03,693 --> 00:31:08,692
Uh, don't forget to try the shptadas and the shptadas and don't

504
00:31:08,712 --> 00:31:10,333
touch the fucking banana fish.

505
00:31:10,743 --> 00:31:13,523
That's, uh, that's how you survive on Madeira.

506
00:31:13,868 --> 00:31:15,728
a lot of people like the banana fish anyway.

507
00:31:15,728 --> 00:31:16,303
Just look at Daniel.

508
00:31:17,038 --> 00:31:17,778
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

509
00:31:17,808 --> 00:31:20,478
But he's, he's from, you guessed it.

510
00:31:22,678 --> 00:31:26,228
That's no relation to fish banana, the Norwegian anon, is it?

511
00:31:26,458 --> 00:31:27,438
No, no, it doesn't.

512
00:31:27,448 --> 00:31:30,058
So even, yeah, Fish Banana, if you're listening to this, don't,

513
00:31:30,428 --> 00:31:33,178
if you go to Madeira, don't order yourself at the restaurant.

514
00:31:33,188 --> 00:31:33,528
Like,

515
00:31:34,013 --> 00:31:37,783
it's a piece of fish with a banana on top, and you know, sometimes they

516
00:31:37,783 --> 00:31:40,313
even put passion fruit thing on top.

517
00:31:40,313 --> 00:31:43,883
So everything that grows on the island, they just throw it up

518
00:31:44,748 --> 00:31:46,818
you're going to piss off a lot of your neighbors now,

519
00:31:46,818 --> 00:31:48,238
Andre, you realize that, right?

520
00:31:49,178 --> 00:31:50,967
You're depriving them of their livelihood.

521
00:31:51,693 --> 00:31:53,823
It's better than mushy peas.

522
00:31:55,513 --> 00:31:57,453
Everything's better than mushy peas.

523
00:31:58,357 --> 00:32:05,077
Alright, so if you're deciding which conference to go to in early spring 2024,

524
00:32:05,078 --> 00:32:09,458
also go to the conference in Bedford, because we like you as well, Peter.

525
00:32:09,938 --> 00:32:10,518
But anyway.

526
00:32:11,483 --> 00:32:15,603
Yeah, we, we like a bit, but you better get some good food

527
00:32:15,603 --> 00:32:16,863
there because there's none.

528
00:32:17,396 --> 00:32:18,676
Ah, yeah, good luck with that.

529
00:32:18,876 --> 00:32:19,926
We can send some naspatada,

530
00:32:21,676 --> 00:32:25,656
Yeah, send some shptada to Bedford, please.

531
00:32:26,794 --> 00:32:31,504
alright, pulling this back just a little bit, um, can you maybe tell

532
00:32:31,504 --> 00:32:37,444
us, uh, how things are going in terms of the Bitcoin adoption on Madeira?

533
00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:40,564
Like it really seems like it's going well

534
00:32:40,689 --> 00:32:46,189
we, you know, Knut, uh, was talking about the merchant adoption.

535
00:32:46,199 --> 00:32:49,159
We diverted the conversation completely.

536
00:32:49,614 --> 00:32:54,353
Knut knows that in the beginning I was not very, I won't say interested, but I

537
00:32:54,353 --> 00:32:56,143
was not pushing merchant adoption a lot.

538
00:32:56,963 --> 00:33:01,033
Because, you know, in the beginning there wasn't a lot of Bitcoiners

539
00:33:01,033 --> 00:33:04,363
around and the community was still beginning, I guess, or growing.

540
00:33:05,093 --> 00:33:09,429
And I didn't see the point of onboarding a lot of merchants before, you know,

541
00:33:09,429 --> 00:33:11,969
there was a circular economy going on.

542
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:17,764
And Well, I basically just didn't want to see some merchant complaining six

543
00:33:17,764 --> 00:33:21,944
months after they didn't have any BTC payment and I think it's good backlash,

544
00:33:21,944 --> 00:33:26,451
so, but at one point we decided to invert our positions drastically, of course,

545
00:33:26,941 --> 00:33:28,581
because of the conference mainly, right?

546
00:33:28,641 --> 00:33:32,661
Because when we did decide to do the conference and in such big numbers,

547
00:33:33,601 --> 00:33:38,641
we, I suddenly realized, oh, shit, we need to start with the merchants right

548
00:33:38,641 --> 00:33:40,911
now, because the community is growing.

549
00:33:40,981 --> 00:33:41,541
Um.

550
00:33:42,481 --> 00:33:46,761
You know, and, we'll have 5000 hopefully 5000 Bitcoiners all

551
00:33:46,761 --> 00:33:48,531
around Funchal for a week.

552
00:33:48,958 --> 00:33:50,408
we need to start right now.

553
00:33:50,708 --> 00:33:58,397
And, our first official hire for FREE Madeira was Charlie, that has actually

554
00:33:58,428 --> 00:34:00,468
a very interesting story of his own.

555
00:34:01,398 --> 00:34:05,868
Charlie escaped Venezuela with his mother, with Bitcoin in his head.

556
00:34:06,438 --> 00:34:14,099
It's an Amazing story, and he's very, very happy to be the first, he still tells

557
00:34:14,129 --> 00:34:18,659
me every day, very happy to be the first hire of Bitcoin and he couldn't be happier

558
00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:23,649
doing what he's doing, which is now, as I call him, the open merchant, the rabbit.

559
00:34:24,594 --> 00:34:27,414
the Bitcoin merchant rabbit, and he goes all over Madeira,

560
00:34:27,414 --> 00:34:29,464
onboarding new merchants.

561
00:34:29,994 --> 00:34:35,478
And I am completely, utterly surprised by the reception we've

562
00:34:35,487 --> 00:34:37,108
been having from, the merchants.

563
00:34:37,498 --> 00:34:40,457
It's, we didn't have any refusal so far.

564
00:34:40,847 --> 00:34:42,098
Everybody's accepting.

565
00:34:42,471 --> 00:34:47,431
everybody's curious, 80 of them are keeping the sats because we

566
00:34:47,431 --> 00:34:50,991
give them the option of, keeping the sats or exchangings for euros.

567
00:34:51,161 --> 00:34:52,871
Uh, they're keeping the sats.

568
00:34:53,821 --> 00:34:58,801
non custodially, and you know, everything's working very, very well.

569
00:34:58,801 --> 00:34:59,611
It's crazy.

570
00:35:00,231 --> 00:35:04,321
And now that we have the community growing by, by the, every day, every

571
00:35:04,321 --> 00:35:07,711
day at Cork, people arrive with their coffees or with their lunches,

572
00:35:08,011 --> 00:35:11,791
with their, you know, they go to the pharmacy, they, they, they pay in sats.

573
00:35:12,421 --> 00:35:14,761
It's, it's growing exponentially.

574
00:35:15,031 --> 00:35:17,501
You can go to BTCmaps and check for yourself.

575
00:35:17,721 --> 00:35:23,311
It's like we're in the bull market of merchant adoption in Funchal

576
00:35:23,331 --> 00:35:24,821
and it's fucking great to see.

577
00:35:25,272 --> 00:35:26,183
Fantastic news.

578
00:35:26,373 --> 00:35:27,622
I can't wait.

579
00:35:28,622 --> 00:35:29,703
It's gonna be great.

580
00:35:30,973 --> 00:35:33,812
I can just feel it, like, what could possibly go wrong?

581
00:35:35,003 --> 00:35:36,602
Famous last words, I know, but

582
00:35:36,788 --> 00:35:39,018
Many things can go wrong.

583
00:35:39,642 --> 00:35:40,042
Yeah,

584
00:35:41,218 --> 00:35:45,658
Actually our goal is to minimize the most of the things that can go wrong.

585
00:35:45,912 --> 00:35:46,972
collateral damage.

586
00:35:46,973 --> 00:35:49,837
Yeah.

587
00:35:50,121 --> 00:35:53,741
Alright, you might have noticed that we've recently partnered with AmberApp.

588
00:35:53,845 --> 00:35:58,175
After our episode with Izzy, their CEO, and our close friend, we knew we

589
00:35:58,175 --> 00:36:01,579
would have to partner with them in some way, If you haven't seen our episode

590
00:36:01,579 --> 00:36:05,669
with Izzy, definitely go check it out, you'll see why it's such a great fit,

591
00:36:05,919 --> 00:36:09,849
and honestly, they're following the orange glowing light like Izzy always

592
00:36:09,849 --> 00:36:13,939
says, and that's exactly what we try to do here at the Freedom Footprint Show.

593
00:36:14,264 --> 00:36:18,674
The big news about AmberApp is that on Jan 3, 2024, they're going

594
00:36:18,674 --> 00:36:20,674
to be launching their version 2.

595
00:36:20,890 --> 00:36:24,400
I've seen some of the screenshots and it looks fantastic.

596
00:36:24,695 --> 00:36:28,506
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597
00:36:28,526 --> 00:36:32,778
anonymous lightning wallet, a fiat wallet, And finally, it's going

598
00:36:32,778 --> 00:36:34,118
to be an exchange, of course.

599
00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:37,260
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600
00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:38,610
to be launching globally.

601
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:40,180
Everyone's going to be able to use it.

602
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:42,150
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603
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,920
Stay tuned with us and you'll hear all about it.

604
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,470
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605
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619
00:37:30,946 --> 00:37:33,686
how does a normal day look for Andre Loja?

620
00:37:33,966 --> 00:37:36,566
Like, uh, what is your daily routine?

621
00:37:36,576 --> 00:37:38,306
Like, yeah, I'm just curious.

622
00:37:38,612 --> 00:37:40,382
there's a bunch of meetings, I guess.

623
00:37:40,884 --> 00:37:43,654
Well, it changed a lot for the last few months, that's for sure.

624
00:37:43,989 --> 00:37:46,638
but yeah, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a family man, so I have four

625
00:37:46,658 --> 00:37:52,095
kids, four small kids, so it kind of starts the same way every day.

626
00:37:52,965 --> 00:37:59,715
Waking up three kids to go to primary school in the morning and, you know,

627
00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:06,215
just running around trying to be sane until I drop them at school.

628
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:10,880
Um, and then the whole craziness of the day starts and, you know, all

629
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,370
my other business, they didn't stop.

630
00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:16,450
So I still have a bunch to do, um, on the other side.

631
00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:20,080
Uh, but I've been mostly, you know, I've been mostly busy

632
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,110
with the conference, of course.

633
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:27,148
So I think for the last few months I've been using and abusing Zoom calls a lot.

634
00:38:28,986 --> 00:38:33,386
And just, you know, venue sightings and, you know, partners and conversations

635
00:38:33,686 --> 00:38:40,056
and emails, a lot of emails and, and signal messages and telegram

636
00:38:40,056 --> 00:38:40,796
messages and Twitter messages.

637
00:38:42,816 --> 00:38:44,406
It's been kind of crazy.

638
00:38:44,906 --> 00:38:50,876
Uh, but I don't think I can, I can give you like a regular day, except that

639
00:38:51,276 --> 00:38:55,486
I always go home and pick up the kids again for the last part of the day.

640
00:38:55,935 --> 00:38:56,495
Yeah, yeah.

641
00:38:57,885 --> 00:39:01,555
So kid in, three kids in one hand and the telephone in the other, right?

642
00:39:02,110 --> 00:39:02,990
Well, it's four.

643
00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:06,680
But then usually also have like tennis lessons, ballet lessons.

644
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:08,670
So I'm driving around a lot as well.

645
00:39:08,735 --> 00:39:09,025
Yeah.

646
00:39:09,525 --> 00:39:10,625
mean, tell me about it.

647
00:39:10,625 --> 00:39:14,345
I have, I have two kids and I know how, how tough that is.

648
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:16,200
It's all good.

649
00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:18,840
I, you know, I, they're amazing.

650
00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:22,250
Um, when I don't want to throw them out the window, they're amazing.

651
00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:23,360
So, uh,

652
00:39:24,139 --> 00:39:28,799
And that's a good way of, uh, you know, boiling it down, I guess the,

653
00:39:29,539 --> 00:39:32,219
the, the moments where you don't want to throw them out of the window.

654
00:39:32,219 --> 00:39:32,849
They're lovely.

655
00:39:35,074 --> 00:39:35,574
Uh, yeah.

656
00:39:36,034 --> 00:39:40,484
By the way, you told me a fantastic story in Amsterdam that I, talked to, Dominic

657
00:39:40,484 --> 00:39:46,614
Frisby about, uh, here, uh, about a week ago and, uh, like, let, let's hear the

658
00:39:46,614 --> 00:39:51,304
original story here about the permit for installing a window instead of permit for.

659
00:39:51,509 --> 00:39:52,679
Removing a window.

660
00:39:53,215 --> 00:39:54,705
I love that story so much.

661
00:39:54,935 --> 00:39:55,505
funny story.

662
00:39:56,005 --> 00:39:57,434
That was my, Father in law.

663
00:39:57,564 --> 00:40:02,869
Um That was his story, apparently a true story when he was working at the

664
00:40:02,879 --> 00:40:04,969
Municipal, Municipality of Lisbon.

665
00:40:05,819 --> 00:40:09,729
So, it was just making fun of fiat bullshit, right, and bureaucracy, right?

666
00:40:10,779 --> 00:40:14,679
the permits and the red tape and the licensing, that sometimes is on,

667
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:19,929
the municipalities for constructors, it's so stupid some of the times.

668
00:40:20,689 --> 00:40:25,376
That a guy in Lisbon was very smart, so he had this, building, and one

669
00:40:25,376 --> 00:40:26,856
of the facades didn't have a window.

670
00:40:27,867 --> 00:40:29,897
and the guy really wanted to do a window there.

671
00:40:30,807 --> 00:40:33,987
So, but he thought, you know, if I go through you know, the whole

672
00:40:33,997 --> 00:40:36,687
legal process, this is gonna be a pain in the ass and, you know,

673
00:40:37,717 --> 00:40:39,097
they're probably just gonna refuse.

674
00:40:39,817 --> 00:40:44,207
So, he sent a permit, request as well.

675
00:40:44,777 --> 00:40:47,542
But to remove a window, so

676
00:40:47,587 --> 00:40:47,827
Yeah.

677
00:40:47,827 --> 00:40:48,367
I love this.

678
00:40:49,047 --> 00:40:52,637
I want to remove the window out of his facade and he got clearance.

679
00:40:53,217 --> 00:40:54,007
Well, not clearance.

680
00:40:54,187 --> 00:40:56,627
He got a refusal saying,

681
00:40:56,627 --> 00:40:56,717
not

682
00:40:56,717 --> 00:40:56,797
to

683
00:40:56,797 --> 00:41:01,967
remove the window and it was okay.

684
00:41:02,447 --> 00:41:03,507
And I think it was perfect.

685
00:41:04,627 --> 00:41:05,667
It's brilliant.

686
00:41:05,667 --> 00:41:13,277
And it's, actually, so true because you go, uh, you know, and as a business

687
00:41:13,307 --> 00:41:15,607
man from the last 15 years of my life.

688
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:22,990
You go through so much bullshit and red tape and just really on the bottom

689
00:41:22,990 --> 00:41:25,450
of it just stupid stuff, really.

690
00:41:26,290 --> 00:41:32,056
That they don't even have the ability to control or verify or what not.

691
00:41:33,016 --> 00:41:39,906
And they just block your way, so I, totally approve this kind

692
00:41:39,906 --> 00:41:44,406
of creativity to, go around it.

693
00:41:45,976 --> 00:41:52,556
So it's a perfect example on how to navigate fiat life without getting crazy.

694
00:41:53,536 --> 00:41:58,716
Yeah, remember to send in your application to pay your taxes and get it rejected.

695
00:42:01,521 --> 00:42:05,461
Anyway, like how, how does Madeira differ from mainland Portugal there?

696
00:42:05,461 --> 00:42:08,191
Because Madeira is a semi autonomous region, right?

697
00:42:08,191 --> 00:42:12,561
So, so what kinds of benefits do that give to Madeira?

698
00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:17,971
Like, uh, I know like all islands, there's more of a like communal

699
00:42:17,981 --> 00:42:23,506
feeling and Family feeling like you, you don't really have to, to worry

700
00:42:23,506 --> 00:42:25,816
about too much of the bullshit.

701
00:42:26,084 --> 00:42:27,004
Yeah, that's for sure.

702
00:42:28,644 --> 00:42:30,204
I agree with that statement a lot.

703
00:42:30,394 --> 00:42:31,184
There's, there's this.

704
00:42:32,264 --> 00:42:37,047
I don't know, overwhelming feeling that you're almost, um, that

705
00:42:37,047 --> 00:42:40,437
you're different from the mainland Portugal somehow, just because you

706
00:42:40,437 --> 00:42:42,677
are separated physically, I guess.

707
00:42:43,538 --> 00:42:47,248
there's also this, this very special Islander feeling.

708
00:42:47,468 --> 00:42:54,578
Uh, I was actually discussing this with the, with someone on my 1000 Zoom calls

709
00:42:54,588 --> 00:42:58,998
that I had for the last two months, um, about this feeling of the ocean

710
00:42:59,068 --> 00:43:01,088
and being surrounded by the ocean.

711
00:43:01,708 --> 00:43:07,995
And, oh yeah, we were discussing how, and this really happens, how

712
00:43:08,095 --> 00:43:13,275
an Islander can feel claustrophobic in, in a place where he doesn't see

713
00:43:13,275 --> 00:43:14,975
the sea around them for a long time.

714
00:43:15,935 --> 00:43:17,475
Um, this really happens.

715
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:24,570
so overall there's, there's a, there's a feeling of, uh, being, being connected

716
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:28,200
to all, all of the other islanders that share this little piece of

717
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,820
land in the middle of the Atlantic.

718
00:43:30,478 --> 00:43:34,675
but besides that, um, that feeling, um, there's also

719
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,025
the, the legal stuff, I guess.

720
00:43:36,025 --> 00:43:37,975
So we are a semi-autonomous region.

721
00:43:37,975 --> 00:43:41,185
We have our own government, we have our own parliament.

722
00:43:41,725 --> 00:43:44,965
Uh, but, but you know, the semi part is very important.

723
00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:46,440
So we are not fully independent.

724
00:43:47,122 --> 00:43:53,522
we still have to abide, um, by the general main rules, especially on the

725
00:43:53,902 --> 00:43:59,482
most important stuff like taxes and defense and, you know, stuff like that.

726
00:43:59,899 --> 00:44:05,284
And there's some, for example, on the taxes, there's some percentage

727
00:44:05,504 --> 00:44:09,984
of difference that you can apply, and there's certain rules that someone

728
00:44:10,214 --> 00:44:15,944
decided by because it was windy day of the north that it should be, you know,

729
00:44:15,994 --> 00:44:18,054
30 percent because it made sense, right?

730
00:44:18,054 --> 00:44:19,054
Because they know everything.

731
00:44:19,603 --> 00:44:23,623
so they created this whole legal structure with the mainland that we have to abide.

732
00:44:24,378 --> 00:44:29,758
But we do have a lot more flexibility, so we can, uh, on a lot of the areas we

733
00:44:29,758 --> 00:44:35,528
can pursue our own ideas, I guess, or at least the ideas of the government.

734
00:44:36,178 --> 00:44:41,269
Um, because it's a democracy, so the people represented

735
00:44:41,269 --> 00:44:42,469
in the government, right?

736
00:44:43,339 --> 00:44:45,839
So, it's our own ideas, right?

737
00:44:45,929 --> 00:44:48,289
So, at least the mainstream media told me so.

738
00:44:48,709 --> 00:44:54,163
And, um, and yeah, but we, we do have, We do have a lot more

739
00:44:54,163 --> 00:44:57,283
flexibility and I cannot complain.

740
00:44:57,443 --> 00:45:02,324
Uh, I think there's a feeling here of more sovereignty than in the mainland.

741
00:45:03,292 --> 00:45:09,392
more, I think people at least think they're more capable of designing

742
00:45:09,392 --> 00:45:11,542
their own destiny, I guess, in a way.

743
00:45:12,442 --> 00:45:19,322
And, um, and I cannot complain overall as, as you well know, uh,

744
00:45:19,362 --> 00:45:20,682
but that is a great place to live.

745
00:45:21,227 --> 00:45:25,077
With all, even with all the fiat bullshit that, that you see

746
00:45:25,127 --> 00:45:28,487
everywhere, right, especially within the EU, that you cannot escape it.

747
00:45:29,257 --> 00:45:34,517
Um, overall, we cannot complain at all.

748
00:45:34,707 --> 00:45:36,227
Quality of life here is amazing.

749
00:45:36,717 --> 00:45:40,975
We do have, very good infrastructure as the group saw

750
00:45:40,975 --> 00:45:42,591
it very well in June last year.

751
00:45:42,970 --> 00:45:50,310
Um, we had some Canadian large guys very impressed with the tunnels and the, and

752
00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:52,230
the roads, you know, builds the roads.

753
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:57,830
Apparently, apparently EU gives us free money to build roads,

754
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,540
you know, that's amazing.

755
00:45:59,980 --> 00:46:05,310
Um, so we did it and they all, they, they, they definitely use

756
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,030
that money to build a lot of stuff.

757
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,250
Um, but yeah, life is good overall here.

758
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by the way, speaking of democracy, I read that book that you recommended

799
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:09,550
to me in Amsterdam, Beyond Democracy.

800
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:10,570
Really good one.

801
00:48:10,881 --> 00:48:12,561
We just translated it to Portuguese.

802
00:48:12,591 --> 00:48:13,591
We're going to launch it soon.

803
00:48:14,176 --> 00:48:20,626
Yeah, uh, so, to me it was sort of a condensed and more accessible version of

804
00:48:20,676 --> 00:48:22,826
Hoppe's Democracy, The God That Failed.

805
00:48:23,303 --> 00:48:26,433
You, you've already requested many times to read that book.

806
00:48:26,433 --> 00:48:27,033
I still didn't.

807
00:48:27,313 --> 00:48:31,393
Uh, I have a backlash of, I don't know, 70 books to read.

808
00:48:31,798 --> 00:48:32,568
yeah, yeah, yeah.

809
00:48:32,798 --> 00:48:36,318
You don't really need to read that one after having read this one, I guess.

810
00:48:36,593 --> 00:48:39,433
Yeah, but that one's really small and really concise.

811
00:48:39,503 --> 00:48:41,093
And to the point, I really liked it.

812
00:48:41,823 --> 00:48:42,783
Um, so I,

813
00:48:42,948 --> 00:48:43,828
Democracy, yeah.

814
00:48:44,028 --> 00:48:46,338
So, yeah, definitely a book recommendation.

815
00:48:46,653 --> 00:48:49,833
yeah, I contacted the authors and they were really, really nice.

816
00:48:50,643 --> 00:48:54,593
And they agreed that I did the translation and I actually, I'm, I'm about to send

817
00:48:54,593 --> 00:48:56,143
them invites to come to the conference.

818
00:48:56,303 --> 00:48:57,283
I hope they accept.

819
00:48:57,535 --> 00:49:00,525
Can you give me their contact details, or give us their contact

820
00:49:00,525 --> 00:49:02,165
details so we can have them on here?

821
00:49:02,464 --> 00:49:03,624
Yeah, of course I will.

822
00:49:04,074 --> 00:49:05,234
And they were amazing.

823
00:49:05,244 --> 00:49:06,334
The book is amazing.

824
00:49:06,334 --> 00:49:10,814
I don't think it's a very concise way of explaining how, why

825
00:49:10,814 --> 00:49:12,364
democracy is not going to work.

826
00:49:12,564 --> 00:49:14,954
It doesn't work and it's not going to work in the future.

827
00:49:14,964 --> 00:49:14,984
So

828
00:49:15,724 --> 00:49:20,434
Now, uh, one funny takeaway from the book is that there's nothing about

829
00:49:20,444 --> 00:49:22,414
democracy in the American Constitution.

830
00:49:23,554 --> 00:49:28,384
Like, uh, everyone thinks there is, and like, we need to fight for

831
00:49:28,384 --> 00:49:31,874
democracy and stuff, but there's nothing about it in the Constitution.

832
00:49:32,426 --> 00:49:34,196
Anyway, that's the book recommendation.

833
00:49:34,297 --> 00:49:36,397
so, um Have you heard from Cristiano?

834
00:49:36,397 --> 00:49:36,647
No,

835
00:49:36,978 --> 00:49:41,768
No, actually, two days ago I heard, uh, mainstream news about the guy

836
00:49:41,788 --> 00:49:46,498
that he was being sued in the United States for promoting NFT bullshit

837
00:49:46,558 --> 00:49:52,348
for Binance, so you lay your own bed, I hope you learn, and maybe we

838
00:49:52,358 --> 00:49:55,338
have a VIP ticket for you, Ronald, if you want to come to the conference.

839
00:49:56,108 --> 00:49:57,348
Well, no shitcoiners.

840
00:49:57,898 --> 00:49:58,338
No, no.

841
00:49:58,338 --> 00:49:58,438
no.

842
00:49:58,588 --> 00:50:02,318
no, no, Knut, Knut, he's gotta come and then, yeah.

843
00:50:02,458 --> 00:50:06,618
the goal of the conference to attract local shitcoiners and

844
00:50:06,618 --> 00:50:10,278
nocoiners and precoiners to learn, so it's part of the process.

845
00:50:10,988 --> 00:50:12,498
So come and learn.

846
00:50:12,678 --> 00:50:16,608
We won't discuss shitcoins for sure, but if you're a shitcoiner, please come.

847
00:50:16,998 --> 00:50:18,178
You'll be very welcome.

848
00:50:18,501 --> 00:50:18,861
Yeah.

849
00:50:18,991 --> 00:50:19,631
Okay, then.

850
00:50:20,281 --> 00:50:22,991
No shit coiners, speakers, you know, that's the, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

851
00:50:23,031 --> 00:50:24,435
the, that's the clarification, right?

852
00:50:24,435 --> 00:50:25,561
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally,

853
00:50:25,701 --> 00:50:26,141
totally.

854
00:50:26,181 --> 00:50:26,351
to learn.

855
00:50:26,371 --> 00:50:27,721
I was a shitcoiner myself, Knut.

856
00:50:28,358 --> 00:50:29,338
Yes, you're forgiven.

857
00:50:29,338 --> 00:50:30,697
Yeah.

858
00:50:30,818 --> 00:50:31,418
I know,

859
00:50:32,478 --> 00:50:34,658
This is all atonement for that, right?

860
00:50:34,708 --> 00:50:36,178
That's why you're doing this whole thing.

861
00:50:37,175 --> 00:50:39,555
it's my, it's my path of misery

862
00:50:39,765 --> 00:50:40,045
yeah.

863
00:50:40,315 --> 00:50:40,885
Sorry.

864
00:50:40,905 --> 00:50:41,265
Sorry.

865
00:50:41,265 --> 00:50:41,905
I didn't mean it.

866
00:50:41,905 --> 00:50:44,235
Yeah.

867
00:50:44,285 --> 00:50:48,105
but instead of the Santiago path on my knees, I decided to do this

868
00:50:48,145 --> 00:50:51,895
huge conference in the middle of the Atlantic to forgive myself.

869
00:50:53,761 --> 00:50:56,841
I, I think this is a sort of a good point to wrap it up.

870
00:50:56,941 --> 00:50:58,731
Luke, what do you say, like, uh.

871
00:50:58,891 --> 00:51:01,131
been, this has been awesome, Andre.

872
00:51:01,231 --> 00:51:04,641
Awesome always to hear about, uh, what's going on over at Madeira.

873
00:51:04,641 --> 00:51:07,641
Can't wait to finally get on Madeira myself.

874
00:51:07,641 --> 00:51:08,401
I've never been.

875
00:51:08,401 --> 00:51:09,571
I'm, I'm looking forward to this.

876
00:51:09,571 --> 00:51:10,241
I can't wait.

877
00:51:10,771 --> 00:51:13,461
And, uh, yeah, sounds like it's going to be awesome.

878
00:51:13,471 --> 00:51:17,721
So anything else you'd like to, uh, mention or direct people

879
00:51:17,721 --> 00:51:18,911
to or anything like that?

880
00:51:19,313 --> 00:51:25,793
Well, do follow us on, on, on the handles, uh, Bitcoin Atlantis and Free Madeira.

881
00:51:25,813 --> 00:51:27,033
org on Twitter.

882
00:51:27,633 --> 00:51:32,103
Uh, we're also in, in a few other places, but, you know, and also the,

883
00:51:32,113 --> 00:51:35,123
the, the main web pages, freemadar.

884
00:51:35,333 --> 00:51:35,903
com and bitcoinatlantis.

885
00:51:36,583 --> 00:51:38,903
com, subscribe to the newsletter.

886
00:51:38,943 --> 00:51:43,313
I think that's the, the, one of the ways to keep updated on the

887
00:51:43,313 --> 00:51:46,893
information and all the news we're launching for the conference and also

888
00:51:46,893 --> 00:51:51,143
for Freemadar, but especially for the conference right now, uh, because we

889
00:51:51,163 --> 00:51:54,203
send an occasional newsletter with all, with everything that's been

890
00:51:54,203 --> 00:51:55,793
announced, uh, on the previous weeks.

891
00:51:56,658 --> 00:51:58,558
Uh, and yeah, do come.

892
00:51:58,608 --> 00:51:59,508
It's going to be amazing.

893
00:51:59,538 --> 00:52:01,068
It's going to be an amazing week in Madeira.

894
00:52:01,588 --> 00:52:04,458
Madeira is already a great place to spend some vacations.

895
00:52:04,658 --> 00:52:06,998
Um, bring your wife, bring your kids.

896
00:52:06,998 --> 00:52:08,588
We have a kids area inside the venue.

897
00:52:08,598 --> 00:52:10,028
We're making it family friendly.

898
00:52:10,458 --> 00:52:14,908
There will even be women's events as well, and other parties, and a

899
00:52:14,908 --> 00:52:16,428
lot of cool stuff for you to join.

900
00:52:16,678 --> 00:52:20,378
Or not, or just go on and, you know, just rent a car and go drive around the

901
00:52:20,378 --> 00:52:25,698
island, sightseeing, uh, you know, skinny dipping or sunballing or whatever you want

902
00:52:25,698 --> 00:52:29,608
to do around Lodera and enjoy the week.

903
00:52:29,698 --> 00:52:30,818
Uh, it's going to be great.

904
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:32,080
Fantastic.

905
00:52:32,090 --> 00:52:37,790
Yeah, and you can use code KNUT for 10 percent off, I think, your ticket.

906
00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:40,530
Do we have the freedom code?

907
00:52:41,585 --> 00:52:43,085
I don't remember the name

908
00:52:43,115 --> 00:52:44,105
I don't remember.

909
00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:44,440
Kate.

910
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:44,970
It's fine.

911
00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:45,330
It's fine.

912
00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:45,490
It's

913
00:52:45,515 --> 00:52:46,115
Yeah, yeah.

914
00:52:46,635 --> 00:52:50,735
For 10 percent off your ticket and go to an island apart for, uh, if you

915
00:52:51,075 --> 00:52:54,155
still have any apartments available for the conference, I don't know if you

916
00:52:54,262 --> 00:52:54,395
do.

917
00:52:54,420 --> 00:53:00,350
Well, in the, in the, at the Bitcoin Atlantis website, um, there's a plan

918
00:53:00,350 --> 00:53:05,770
your events, um, page where you can see all the partners, not only the

919
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:09,510
vacation rentals, but also the hotels and renter cars and activities and so on.

920
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,400
So go there for a discount codes on those partners as well.

921
00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:17,110
And, um, and when you purchase a ticket, you're all, you'll

922
00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:18,980
always be redirected to that page.

923
00:53:19,655 --> 00:53:23,225
So there's many options from, you know, five star hotels to

924
00:53:23,235 --> 00:53:24,445
just more affordable options.

925
00:53:24,695 --> 00:53:26,565
There's, there's something for everyone.

926
00:53:27,795 --> 00:53:32,645
Yeah, and, uh, on the Free Madeira webpage, you can also find a little

927
00:53:32,645 --> 00:53:36,585
documentary we made last year about how we started this whole organization.

928
00:53:37,118 --> 00:53:40,168
so that's a, that's, that's a fun little move.

929
00:53:40,898 --> 00:53:46,028
Another, uh, uh, video recording session during Atlantis.

930
00:53:46,768 --> 00:53:49,828
Yeah, we're looking forward so much to all of this, Andre, and

931
00:53:49,828 --> 00:53:53,568
we'll, we'll, uh, figure out how to move ahead with this thing.

932
00:53:53,598 --> 00:53:56,858
I, I'm looking, personally looking forward to getting more involved

933
00:53:56,878 --> 00:53:58,908
with the organization again.

934
00:53:59,278 --> 00:54:04,048
Like, uh, we had more regular meetings and stuff in the beginning, and I think

935
00:54:04,048 --> 00:54:08,978
we can start like working on this thing and I can be on the island a bit more

936
00:54:08,978 --> 00:54:11,408
often, uh, to get things moving again.

937
00:54:11,508 --> 00:54:12,008
Uh.

938
00:54:12,473 --> 00:54:18,433
Uh, I've been traveling a lot the last year, so, so, um, I haven't really had

939
00:54:18,493 --> 00:54:22,433
the time to be on Madeira too much, but I'm looking forward to coming back for

940
00:54:22,433 --> 00:54:24,993
sure and, and, uh, see this thing through.

941
00:54:25,547 --> 00:54:26,950
Well, anyway, great chat.

942
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:31,620
See you in a couple of months and, uh, yeah, probably see you online before that.

943
00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:35,733
So, uh, uh, good luck with everything and, uh, fantastic work.

944
00:54:36,348 --> 00:54:37,658
Thank you guys for having me again.

945
00:54:37,930 --> 00:54:41,510
Yeah, thanks Andre, and uh, Knut has forgotten our new sign off

946
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,730
phrase, so have a great rest of your life Andre, that's how we're

947
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:45,730
Yeah, have a great rest of their life.

948
00:54:45,790 --> 00:54:46,720
Like, yeah.

949
00:54:46,810 --> 00:54:49,150
That's the friend friendliest thing we can think of.

950
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,420
And don't forget to like, subscribe and brush your damn teeth.

951
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:55,620
This has been the Freedom Footprint

952
00:54:55,645 --> 00:54:55,765
children.

953
00:54:56,420 --> 00:54:59,300
thanks for listening, yes goodbye children, and bye Andre, thanks again.